Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gnome 2.26 stable?

2009-10-08 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Stefan G. Weichinger schrieb:
> Stefan G. Weichinger schrieb:
> 
>> [...]
>>
>> thanks for the list ... after checking my backups I now added your list,
>> edited a bit and started emerging.

And now this:

http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/gnome/howtos/gnome-2.26-upgrade.xml

;-)

I will check what the removal of those "package.keywords"-entries would
do to my system ...

Stefan



Re: [gentoo-user] OT: PC as USB client

2009-10-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 23:08:08 +0200, Alex Schuster wrote:

> It says there is no driver or software installation necessary. When 
> connected, a data transfer program will open automatically. Does this
> mean there is some program that is executed automatically when
> connecting, or is this just the usual Windows feature that opens a new
> drive and shows its contents?

It sounds like there's a mass storage device in the hardware with a
program that autoruns. So it's true that no software installation is
needed, but you still need Windows. This is an increasing common approach
with USB hardware for Windows - 3G modems, the Flip video camera - as it
means you can use the hardware even if you don't have administrator
privileges.


-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Formating a USB stick

2009-10-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 07:31:50 +0100, Mick wrote:

> The stick will be used in MSWindows mainly.

In that case, I'd play safe and format it in Windows.


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Re: [gentoo-user] ERROR: kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.3.2 failed:

2009-10-08 Thread Dale
James Ausmus wrote:
>
>
> Still further back. :) The warning message about the label parameter
> is harmless...
>
>
> -James

OK.  Attached is the WHOLE file.  At least it is not really really huge
or anything.  I tried to rebuild a few things but it still fails.  The
log is the latest failure so it may be a little different.

Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-)
>>> Unpacking source...
>>> Unpacking kdepimlibs-4.3.2.tar.bz2 to 
>>> /var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.3.2/work
>>> Source unpacked in /var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.3.2/work
>>> Preparing source in 
>>> /var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.3.2/work/kdepimlibs-4.3.2 ...
>>> Source prepared.
>>> Configuring source in 
>>> /var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.3.2/work/kdepimlibs-4.3.2 ...
>>> Working in BUILD_DIR: 
>>> "/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.3.2/work/kdepimlibs-4.3.2_build"
cmake -C 
/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.3.2/temp/gentoo_common_config.cmake 
-DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr -DKDE4_BUILD_TESTS=OFF -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr 
-DSYSCONF_INSTALL_DIR=/etc -DBUILD_doc=ON -DWITH_ldap=ON -DWITH_LDAP=ON 
-DWITH_Ldap=ON -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Gentoo -DCMAKE_INSTALL_DO_STRIP=OFF 
-DCMAKE_USER_MAKE_RULES_OVERRIDE=/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.3.2/temp/gentoo_rules.cmake
 /var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.3.2/work/kdepimlibs-4.3.2
loading initial cache file 
/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.3.2/temp/gentoo_common_config.cmake
-- The C compiler identification is GNU
-- The CXX compiler identification is GNU
-- Check for working C compiler: /usr/bin/i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc
-- Check for working C compiler: /usr/bin/i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -- works
-- Detecting C compiler ABI info
-- Detecting C compiler ABI info - done
-- Check for working CXX compiler: /usr/bin/i686-pc-linux-gnu-g++
-- Check for working CXX compiler: /usr/bin/i686-pc-linux-gnu-g++ -- works
-- Detecting CXX compiler ABI info
-- Detecting CXX compiler ABI info - done
-- Looking for Q_WS_X11
-- Looking for Q_WS_X11 - found
-- Looking for Q_WS_WIN
-- Looking for Q_WS_WIN - not found.
-- Looking for Q_WS_QWS
-- Looking for Q_WS_QWS - not found.
-- Looking for Q_WS_MAC
-- Looking for Q_WS_MAC - not found.
-- Found Qt-Version 4.5.1 (using /usr/bin/qmake)
-- Looking for XOpenDisplay in 
/usr/lib/libX11.so;/usr/lib/libXext.so;/usr/lib/libXft.so;/usr/lib/libXau.so;/usr/lib/libXdmcp.so;/usr/lib/libXpm.so
-- Looking for XOpenDisplay in 
/usr/lib/libX11.so;/usr/lib/libXext.so;/usr/lib/libXft.so;/usr/lib/libXau.so;/usr/lib/libXdmcp.so;/usr/lib/libXpm.so
 - found
-- Looking for gethostbyname
-- Looking for gethostbyname - found
-- Looking for connect
-- Looking for connect - found
-- Looking for remove
-- Looking for remove - found
-- Looking for shmat
-- Looking for shmat - found
-- Looking for IceConnectionNumber in ICE
-- Looking for IceConnectionNumber in ICE - found
-- Found X11: /usr/lib/libX11.so
-- Looking for include files CMAKE_HAVE_PTHREAD_H
-- Looking for include files CMAKE_HAVE_PTHREAD_H - found
-- Looking for pthread_create in pthreads
-- Looking for pthread_create in pthreads - not found
-- Looking for pthread_create in pthread
-- Looking for pthread_create in pthread - found
-- Found Threads: TRUE
-- Found Automoc4: /usr/bin/automoc4
-- Found Perl: /usr/bin/perl
-- Phonon Version: 4.3.50
-- Found Phonon: /usr/lib/libphonon.so
-- Found Phonon Includes: /usr/include/KDE;/usr/include
-- Performing Test _OFFT_IS_64BIT
-- Performing Test _OFFT_IS_64BIT - Failed
-- Performing Test HAVE_FPIE_SUPPORT
-- Performing Test HAVE_FPIE_SUPPORT - Success
-- Performing Test __KDE_HAVE_W_OVERLOADED_VIRTUAL
-- Performing Test __KDE_HAVE_W_OVERLOADED_VIRTUAL - Success
-- Performing Test __KDE_HAVE_GCC_VISIBILITY
-- Performing Test __KDE_HAVE_GCC_VISIBILITY - Success
-- Found KDE 4.3 include dir: /usr/include
-- Found KDE 4.3 library dir: /usr/lib
-- Found the KDE4 kconfig_compiler preprocessor: /usr/bin/kconfig_compiler
-- Found automoc4: /usr/bin/automoc4
-- CTest cannot determine repository type. Please set UPDATE_TYPE to 'cvs' or 
'svn'. CTest update will not work.
-- Boost version: 1.35.0
-- Found the following Boost libraries:
-- Found gpgme-config at /usr/bin/gpgme-config
-- Found gpgme v1.1.8, checking for flavours...
--  Found flavour 'vanilla', checking whether it's usable...yes
--  Found flavour 'pthread', checking whether it's usable...yes
-- Usable gpgme flavours found:  vanilla pthread
-- Performing Test HAVE_GPGME_DATA_SET_FILE_NAME
-- Performing Test HAVE_GPGME_DATA_SET_FILE_NAME - Success
-- Performing Test HAVE_GPGME_INCLUDE_CERTS_DEFAULT
-- Performing Test HAVE_GPGME_INCLUDE_CERTS_DEFAULT - Success
-- Performing Test HAVE_GPGME_KEYLIST_MODE_SIG_NOTATIONS
-- Performing Test HAVE_GPGME_KEYLIST_MODE_SIG_NOTATIONS - Success
-- Performing Test HAVE_GPGME_KEY_SIG_NOTATIONS
-- Performing Test HAVE_GPGME_KEY_SIG_NOTATIONS - Success
-- Performing Test HAVE_GPGME_KEY_T_IS_QUALIFIED
-- Performing Test HAVE_GPGME_KEY_T_IS_QUALIFIED - Success
-- Performing Test H

Re: [gentoo-user] ERROR: kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.3.2 failed:

2009-10-08 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 08 Oktober 2009, Dale wrote:
> James Ausmus wrote:
> > Still further back. :) The warning message about the label parameter
> > is harmless...
> >
> >
> > -James
> 
> OK.  Attached is the WHOLE file.  At least it is not really really huge
> or anything.  I tried to rebuild a few things but it still fails.  The
> log is the latest failure so it may be a little different.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-)
> 

retry with boost-1.3.7



Re: [gentoo-user] Fed up with Xorg + hal mess [SOLVED]

2009-10-08 Thread alain . didierjean
Selon Alan McKinnon :

> On Wednesday 07 October 2009 06:34:06 alain.didierj...@free.fr wrote:
> > Thanks all for the help. Finally the problem was solved by re-compiling all
> >  X11 drivers used, and most notably xf86-input-keyboard & xf86-input-mouse.
> >  I still think that any package update that breaks a working config without
> >  any specific doc IS A BUG. That just happened for the scond time.
> >
>
> Any human operator who does a large upgrade such as this and does not read
> the
> posted notice about it has a bug in his head. If you had fixed that bug, the
> one on your computer would have been solved.
>

Thanks for this useful answer, Mr. alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com. I
certainly have a bug in my head, but I wouldn't like to have to smell what's in
yours.
I have the weird habit to trust portage, as it works great 99.9% of the time (is
that a bug ?). I usually don't read elogs as I usually don't need it.
Xorg-1.6 needs a rebuilt of all used X11 drivers, up-to-date or not. Not
including this re-emerging in the ebuilt leads to a working config being broken.
I call that a BUG, specifically when it happens for the second time.
Have a sweet day, Mr alan dot mckinnon.

--
~adj~







Re: [gentoo-user] ERROR: kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.3.2 failed:

2009-10-08 Thread Dale
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Donnerstag 08 Oktober 2009, Dale wrote:
>   
>> James Ausmus wrote:
>> 
>>> Still further back. :) The warning message about the label parameter
>>> is harmless...
>>>
>>>
>>> -James
>>>   
>> OK.  Attached is the WHOLE file.  At least it is not really really huge
>> or anything.  I tried to rebuild a few things but it still fails.  The
>> log is the latest failure so it may be a little different.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-)
>>
>> 
>
> retry with boost-1.3.7
>
>
>   

Thanks much.  I was trying dev-libs/boost-1.39.0 but it seems to have a
issue with something else itself.  I'll give this a try tho.  Maybe that
version will work.  After some package.* editing, this appears to be
installing.  I'll report back if it works or not.

Thanks again.

Dale

:-)  :-) 



Re: [gentoo-user] Formating a USB stick

2009-10-08 Thread daid kahl
> > The stick will be used in MSWindows mainly.
>
> In that case, I'd play safe and format it in Windows.
>
>

Ah booo!  You're formatting it anyway, so there's no data to lose, and
I can't imagine you'd break it by trying to format it.

Try it in Linux first and let us know how it goes.  I never formatted
a USB stick before, and it might be neat.

You can always point-and-click to format it in Windows I'm sure.

Regards,
daid



Re: [gentoo-user] Fed up with Xorg + hal mess [SOLVED]

2009-10-08 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 08 October 2009 11:19:44 alain.didierj...@free.fr wrote:
> Selon Alan McKinnon :
> > On Wednesday 07 October 2009 06:34:06 alain.didierj...@free.fr wrote:
> > > Thanks all for the help. Finally the problem was solved by re-compiling
> > > all X11 drivers used, and most notably xf86-input-keyboard &
> > > xf86-input-mouse. I still think that any package update that breaks a
> > > working config without any specific doc IS A BUG. That just happened
> > > for the scond time.
> >
> > Any human operator who does a large upgrade such as this and does not
> > read the
> > posted notice about it has a bug in his head. If you had fixed that bug,
> > the one on your computer would have been solved.
> 
> Thanks for this useful answer, Mr. alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com. I
> certainly have a bug in my head, but I wouldn't like to have to smell
>  what's in yours.
> I have the weird habit to trust portage, as it works great 99.9% of the
>  time (is that a bug ?). I usually don't read elogs as I usually don't need
>  it. Xorg-1.6 needs a rebuilt of all used X11 drivers, up-to-date or not.
>  Not including this re-emerging in the ebuilt leads to a working config
>  being broken. I call that a BUG, specifically when it happens for the
>  second time. Have a sweet day, Mr alan dot mckinnon.

tsk, tsk, touchy today hey?

This is Gentoo. We assume you know what you're doing and can deal with stuff 
that arises. If you don't like what the devs gave you, become a dev yourself 
and fix it.

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com



Re: [gentoo-user] Formating a USB stick

2009-10-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 19:34:39 +0900, daid kahl wrote:

> > > The stick will be used in MSWindows mainly.  
> >
> > In that case, I'd play safe and format it in Windows.

> Ah booo!  You're formatting it anyway, so there's no data to lose, and
> I can't imagine you'd break it by trying to format it.

Who mentioned data loss? Formatting in Windows reduces the risk of
Windows complaining about the format. It may not be standards-compliant,
but at least is is consistently broken.

I've had cfdisk complain about too many FAT filesystems that apparently
work well, so I generally format in the device that will mainly use the
filesystem.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

An infinite number of monkeys pounding away on keyboards will
eventually produce a report showing that Windows is more secure,
and has a lower TCO, than linux.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Fed up with Xorg + hal mess [SOLVED]

2009-10-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:19:44 +0200, alain.didierj...@free.fr wrote:

> I have the weird habit to trust portage, as it works great 99.9% of the
> time (is that a bug ?). I usually don't read elogs as I usually don't
> need it.

If you trust portage you should read and follow the the advice it gives
you. Ignoring it is a strange display of trust.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten per cent of its
capacity ... the rest is overhead for the operating system.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Formating a USB stick

2009-10-08 Thread KH

daid kahl schrieb:

The stick will be used in MSWindows mainly.

In that case, I'd play safe and format it in Windows.




Ah booo!  You're formatting it anyway, so there's no data to lose, and
I can't imagine you'd break it by trying to format it.

Try it in Linux first and let us know how it goes.  I never formatted
a USB stick before, and it might be neat.

You can always point-and-click to format it in Windows I'm sure.

Regards,
daid



Hi,

as a matter of fact, you *can't*. I once formated a USB stick as swap 
(is it 82 or 83?) and used it in Linux as swap. (very little ram on the 
old vaio I used.)

There was a second partition as raiser(?) and also 82 or 83.
Anyway later I wanted to use it again and windows was unable to format 
it. I think it didn't even show up. I had to plug it in Linux and change 
to b(?).
Also I once had a problem with a fat partition of around 200gb on an 
removable usb hdd. Windows does not like that big FAT. I think the 
maximum is somewhere around 70? They want to force you to use ntfs then.


kh



Re: [gentoo-user] Formating a USB stick

2009-10-08 Thread KH

Neil Bothwick schrieb:


It may not be standards-compliant, but at least is is consistently broken.


In some way this is funny and makes me smile.

kh




Re: [gentoo-user] ERROR: kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.3.2 failed:

2009-10-08 Thread Dale
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Donnerstag 08 Oktober 2009, Dale wrote:
>   
>> James Ausmus wrote:
>> 
>>> Still further back. :) The warning message about the label parameter
>>> is harmless...
>>>
>>>
>>> -James
>>>   
>> OK.  Attached is the WHOLE file.  At least it is not really really huge
>> or anything.  I tried to rebuild a few things but it still fails.  The
>> log is the latest failure so it may be a little different.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-)
>>
>> 
>
> retry with boost-1.3.7
>
>
>   

Thanks.  It compiled fine with that version of boost.  Is this a bug? 
Maybe the newer version of KDE needs to depend on the newer boost?

Dale

:-)  :-) 



Re: [gentoo-user] Formating a USB stick

2009-10-08 Thread KH

Daniel Quinn schrieb:

Then when you're back at the prompt, run:

  # mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1

...if sda is in fact your key.  You can even add "-L LabelName" to attach a 
label to the stick:


  # mkfs.vfat -L "USB Stick" /dev/sda1


Hi,

from man mkfs.vfat:

-n volume-name: Sets the volume name (label) of the file system.  The 
volume name can be up to 11 characters long.  The default is no label.


kh



Re: [gentoo-user] ERROR: kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.3.2 failed:

2009-10-08 Thread James Ausmus
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Dale  wrote:

> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > On Donnerstag 08 Oktober 2009, Dale wrote:
> >
> >> James Ausmus wrote:
> >>
> >>> Still further back. :) The warning message about the label parameter
> >>> is harmless...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -James
> >>>
> >> OK.  Attached is the WHOLE file.  At least it is not really really huge
> >> or anything.  I tried to rebuild a few things but it still fails.  The
> >> log is the latest failure so it may be a little different.
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> Dale
> >>
> >> :-)  :-)
> >>
> >>
> >
> > retry with boost-1.3.7
> >
> >
> >
>
> Thanks.  It compiled fine with that version of boost.  Is this a bug?
> Maybe the newer version of KDE needs to depend on the newer boost?
>
>
Might be a gcc-4.4.1 issue with the newer boost (1.3.9) - gcc 4.4.1 is a
little stricter in syntax, so some things that include files have gotten
away with in the past no longer work... Certainly worth searching for/filing
a bug against...

I just kicked off my kde-4.3.2 update, and I have boost-1.3.9 installed and
eselected, and I'm also running gcc 4.4.1, so we'll see if I run into the
same issue - if so, I'll post a "me too" to your bug. ;)

-James




> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>
>


Re: [gentoo-user] ERROR: kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.3.2 failed:

2009-10-08 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 08 October 2009 15:56:57 James Ausmus wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Dale  wrote:
> > Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > > On Donnerstag 08 Oktober 2009, Dale wrote:
> > >> James Ausmus wrote:
> > >>> Still further back. :) The warning message about the label parameter
> > >>> is harmless...
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -James
> > >>
> > >> OK.  Attached is the WHOLE file.  At least it is not really really
> > >> huge or anything.  I tried to rebuild a few things but it still fails.
> > >>  The log is the latest failure so it may be a little different.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks.
> > >>
> > >> Dale
> > >>
> > >> :-)  :-)
> > >
> > > retry with boost-1.3.7
> >
> > Thanks.  It compiled fine with that version of boost.  Is this a bug?
> > Maybe the newer version of KDE needs to depend on the newer boost?
> 
> Might be a gcc-4.4.1 issue with the newer boost (1.3.9) - gcc 4.4.1 is a
> little stricter in syntax, so some things that include files have gotten
> away with in the past no longer work... Certainly worth searching
>  for/filing a bug against...
> 
> I just kicked off my kde-4.3.2 update, and I have boost-1.3.9 installed and
> eselected, and I'm also running gcc 4.4.1, so we'll see if I run into the
> same issue - if so, I'll post a "me too" to your bug. ;)

Here comes a spanner for your works:

I successfully built kdepimlibs today with only boost 1.39.0 installed and 
gcc-4.4.1 on ~amd64

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com



Re: [gentoo-user] Formating a USB stick

2009-10-08 Thread Stroller


On 8 Oct 2009, at 12:22, KH wrote:

...
as a matter of fact, you *can't*. I once formated a USB stick as  
swap (is it 82 or 83?) and used it in Linux as swap. (very little  
ram on the old vaio I used.)

There was a second partition as raiser(?) and also 82 or 83.
Anyway later I wanted to use it again and windows was unable to  
format it. I think it didn't even show up.


Did you look in Disk Management?

Formatted disks show in My Computer, but disks with an "alien"  
filesystem show only in Disk Management on XP, which is a far less  
obvious place  to find.


Stroller.



[gentoo-user] Re: FIXED 3D

2009-10-08 Thread James
Jesús Guerrero  terra.es> writes:


> You can't since you want to use ati-driver/fglrx. The fglrx is not part of
> the kernel, it's only shipped in the form of a binary-only closed source
> kernel module. fglrx doesn't need (and most likely will fail as you see)
> the in-kernel radeon drm driver. So, either disable radeon AND drm in your
> kernel, or build them as modules and make sure that they are not loaded
> before you try to load fglrx.


As usually Volker was right. Thanks for this explanation
With a mixture of open sourced and ati-driver systems,
sometimes I get confused.. or careless.


One final question. When I run this command:
emerge -1 $(qlist -I x11-drivers)

I get this error:
'x11-drivers/ati-drivers' is not a valid package atom
Please check ebuild(5) for full details.


yet 'emerge x11-drivers/ati-drivers'
works fine as a one line command


Is this a bug? My bad (syntax)?


James










Re: [gentoo-user] Re: FIXED 3D

2009-10-08 Thread Jesús Guerrero
On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:28:12 + (UTC), James 
wrote:
> Jesús Guerrero  terra.es> writes:
> 
> 
>> You can't since you want to use ati-driver/fglrx. The fglrx is not part
>> of
>> the kernel, it's only shipped in the form of a binary-only closed
source
>> kernel module. fglrx doesn't need (and most likely will fail as you
see)
>> the in-kernel radeon drm driver. So, either disable radeon AND drm in
>> your
>> kernel, or build them as modules and make sure that they are not loaded
>> before you try to load fglrx.
> 
> 
> As usually Volker was right. Thanks for this explanation
> With a mixture of open sourced and ati-driver systems,
> sometimes I get confused.. or careless.
> 
> 
> One final question. When I run this command:
> emerge -1 $(qlist -I x11-drivers)
> 
> I get this error:
> 'x11-drivers/ati-drivers' is not a valid package atom
> Please check ebuild(5) for full details.
> 
> 
> yet 'emerge x11-drivers/ati-drivers'
> works fine as a one line command
> 
> 
> Is this a bug? My bad (syntax)?

Probably the colors screwing everything, as always. Try searching the
qlist man page for something like --nocolor or --color=never.
-- 
Jesús Guerrero



[gentoo-user] gnome 2.26 build failure

2009-10-08 Thread Allan Gottlieb
I had a failure while building/installing gnome and I am not sure what
the failure is.  Here is the first mention of trouble

/bin/sh 
/var/tmp/portage/gnome-extra/gnome-user-docs-2.26.2/work/gnome-user-docs-2.26.2/install-sh
 -d 
/var/tmp/portage/gnome-extra/gnome-user-docs-2.26.2/image//usr/share/gnome/help/user-guide/C/figures/
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 C/figures/ask_pointer.png 
/var/tmp/portage/gnome-extra/gnome-user-docs-2.26.2/image//usr/share/gnome/help/user-guide/C/figures/ask_pointer.png
mkdir: cannot create directory 
`/var/tmp/portage/gnome-extra/gnome-user-docs-2.26.2/image//usr/share/gnome': 
File exists
mkdir: cannot create directory 
`/var/tmp/portage/gnome-extra/gnome-user-docs-2.26.2/image//usr/share/gnome/help/user-guide/C':
 File exists
make[3]: *** [install-doc-docs] Error 1
make[3]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs

It seems to be complaining that /usr/share/gnome exists and that
/usr/share/gnome/help/user-guide/C exists

But that doesn't seem like an error for an upgrade.

It then has 66 successful installs like this one (I guess these are the
unfinished jobs)

/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 C/figures/busy_pointer.png 
/var/tmp/portage/gnome-extra/gnome-user-docs-2.26.2/image//usr/share/gnome/help/user-guide/C/figures/busy_pointer.png

and finally here is the tail of the log

/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 C/figures/yelp_window.png 
/var/tmp/portage/gnome-extra/gnome-user-docs-2.26.2/image//usr/share/gnome/help/user-guide/C/figures/yelp_window.png
make[3]: Leaving directory 
`/var/tmp/portage/gnome-extra/gnome-user-docs-2.26.2/work/gnome-user-docs-2.26.2/gnome2-user-guide'
make[2]: *** [install-data-am] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory 
`/var/tmp/portage/gnome-extra/gnome-user-docs-2.26.2/work/gnome-user-docs-2.26.2/gnome2-user-guide'
make[1]: *** [install-am] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory 
`/var/tmp/portage/gnome-extra/gnome-user-docs-2.26.2/work/gnome-user-docs-2.26.2/gnome2-user-guide'
make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
 * 
 * ERROR: gnome-extra/gnome-user-docs-2.26.2 failed.
 * Call stack:
 *   ebuild.sh, line   49:  Called src_install
 * environment, line 3016:  Called gnome2_src_install
 * environment, line 2395:  Called die
 * The specific snippet of code:
 *   emake DESTDIR="${D}" 
"scrollkeeper_localstate_dir=${D}${sk_tmp_dir} " "$@" install || die "install 
failed";
 *  The die message:
 *   install failed
 * 
 * If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call 
stack if relevant.
 * A complete build log is located at 
'/var/tmp/portage/gnome-extra/gnome-user-docs-2.26.2/temp/build.log'.
 * The ebuild environment file is located at 
'/var/tmp/portage/gnome-extra/gnome-user-docs-2.26.2/temp/environment'.
 * 

Finally attached is the entire build log



build.log
Description: build.log

The system is amd64.

Any help would be appreciated.
thanks,
allan

PS I did read the update guide, but it seemed to be to be saying that
you first do the emerge and then follow directions in the guide.


Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia-drivers [SOLVED]

2009-10-08 Thread Hung Dang
Thanks a lot Volker. I can emerge nvidia-drivers after resync.

Hung

Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Donnerstag 08 Oktober 2009, Hung Dang wrote:
>   
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I updated my system yesterday today and find out that the latest
>> nvidia-drivers requires old glbc version 2.5. I have goggled for a while
>> and have not found out the solution. Below is the output of emerge command
>>
>> emerge -pv nvidia-drivers
>>
>> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
>>
>> Calculating dependencies... done!
>> [ebuild UD] sys-libs/glibc-2.5-r4 [2.10.1] USE="(multilib) nls
>> nptl%* nptlonly%* -build% -debug -glibc-compat20% -glibc-omitfp
>> (-hardened) -profile (-selinux) (-gd%*) (-vanilla%)" 0 kB
>> [ebuild   R   ] x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-185.18.31  USE="acpi gtk
>> (multilib) -custom-cflags" 0 kB
>>
>> Any idea?
>>
>> Thanks a lot
>> Hung Dang
>>
>> 
>
> resync. There is nothing about glibc in the ebuild.
>
> see changelog after sync:
> 06 Oct 2009; Jeroen Roovers 
>   nvidia-drivers-71.86.09.ebuild, nvidia-drivers-71.86.11.ebuild,
>   nvidia-drivers-96.43.09.ebuild, nvidia-drivers-96.43.11.ebuild,
>   nvidia-drivers-96.43.13.ebuild, nvidia-drivers-173.14.15.ebuild,
>   nvidia-drivers-173.14.18.ebuild, nvidia-drivers-173.14.20.ebuild,
>   nvidia-drivers-180.29.ebuild, nvidia-drivers-180.60.ebuild,
>   nvidia-drivers-185.18.14.ebuild, nvidia-drivers-185.18.29.ebuild,
>   nvidia-drivers-185.18.31.ebuild, nvidia-drivers-190.18.ebuild,
>   nvidia-drivers-190.25.ebuild, nvidia-drivers-190.32.ebuild,
>   nvidia-drivers-190.36.ebuild:
>   Remove elibc_glibc dependency for now as it breaks horribly.
>
>   




[gentoo-user] Re: FIXED 3D

2009-10-08 Thread James
Jesús Guerrero  terra.es> writes:


> Probably the colors screwing everything, as always. Try searching the
> qlist man page for something like --nocolor or --color=never.


Yep:

emerge -1 $(qlist -IC x11-drivers)

works just fine
thx

James





[gentoo-user] Re: FIXED 3D

2009-10-08 Thread Nikos Chantziaras

On 10/08/2009 06:28 PM, James wrote:

One final question. When I run this command:
emerge -1 $(qlist -I x11-drivers)

I get this error:
'x11-drivers/ati-drivers' is not a valid package atom
Please check ebuild(5) for full details.


Try: emerge -1 $(qlist -I x11-drivers)

And it's usually quicker to type with backticks instead of $():

  emerge -1 `qlist -IC x11-drivers`

Note: not single-quotes ('), but backticks (`).  It's usually the key 
above TAB and to the left of 1.





Re: [gentoo-user] gnome 2.26 build failure

2009-10-08 Thread Allan Gottlieb
At Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:41:14 -0400 Allan Gottlieb  wrote:

> I had a failure while building/installing gnome and I am not sure what
> the failure is.  Here is the first mention of trouble

Just for the heck I redid the emerge --newuse --update --with-bdeps=y world

It started with gnome-user-docs, the package that failed, and this time
there were no complaints.  I am somewhat mistified as I did not resync.

I do run -j3 which I guess can cause non-determinism.  I don't see any
evidenced of hw failure.

??
allan



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: New laptop is slow.

2009-10-08 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:33 PM, James  wrote:
> kashani  badapple.net> writes:
>
>
>> >>> I just finished installing Gentoo on a Dell Vostro
>
>
>> Now that it's working how do you like the screen, size, etc? That's one
>> of the laptops I've been considering.
>
>
> You just have to admire and honest (Dell) company
>
> Poking around the 1720, I found this gem:
>
> "Operating System
> Genuine Windows Vista®Business
> Bonus-Windows XP Professional downgrade"
>
>
> At least Dell admits that vista sucks.
>
>
> If they'd only put Linux(gentoo) in there
> as an upgrade option, then we'd all
> have to really respect (love?) Dell

Well, they do at least have a few Ubuntu laptops... http://www.dell.com/ubuntu



[gentoo-user] Re: Fed up with Xorg + hal mess [SOLVED]

2009-10-08 Thread Harry Putnam
Alex Schuster  writes:

>> I'm curious about the actual key strokes. Is it
>>
>> Alt-SysRq and then REISUB

And what is `SysRq' a reference to on a keyboard?




Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fed up with Xorg + hal mess [SOLVED]

2009-10-08 Thread Mark Knecht
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Harry Putnam  wrote:
> Alex Schuster  writes:
>
>>> I'm curious about the actual key strokes. Is it
>>>
>>> Alt-SysRq and then REISUB
>
> And what is `SysRq' a reference to on a keyboard?
>
>
>

The System Request key. Generally located somewhere in the upper
right. It moves around though.

- Mark



Re: [gentoo-user] URGENT: Dead Keyboard after emerge --update world --deep

2009-10-08 Thread Dirk Heinrichs

William Hubbs schrieb:


 That is correct, in the latest version this is how it works.  You
 shouldn't have to remove the flag file though.


Yes, you're right. I overlooked the rm command in the init script.

Bye...

Dirk



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fed up with Xorg + hal mess [SOLVED]

2009-10-08 Thread Paul Hartman
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Harry Putnam  wrote:
> Alex Schuster  writes:
>
>>> I'm curious about the actual key strokes. Is it
>>>
>>> Alt-SysRq and then REISUB
>
> And what is `SysRq' a reference to on a keyboard?

On US keyboards SysRq is usually on the Print Screen key. (like Break
is on the Pause key)



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fed up with Xorg + hal mess [SOLVED]

2009-10-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:47:03 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:

> The System Request key. Generally located somewhere in the upper
> right.

Also marked PrtScn.

> It moves around though.

I've had this keyboard a few years and it's always stayed in exactly the
same place. Maybe the other keys stop it moving :)


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: FIXED 3D

2009-10-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:54:26 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:

> And it's usually quicker to type with backticks instead of $():

But nowhere near as clear.

> Note: not single-quotes ('), but backticks (`).  It's usually the key 
> above TAB and to the left of 1.

I rest my case :)

Note you can also nest commands when using $(), which you can't do with
backticks.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fed up with Xorg + hal mess [SOLVED]

2009-10-08 Thread Mark Knecht
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Neil Bothwick  wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:47:03 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
>
>> The System Request key. Generally located somewhere in the upper
>> right.
>
> Also marked PrtScn.
>
>> It moves around though.
>
> I've had this keyboard a few years and it's always stayed in exactly the
> same place. Maybe the other keys stop it moving :)
>
>
> --
> Neil Bothwick
>
> I'm warning you! One step closer and I'll drop carrier!
>

Even though I'm old and decrepit (or maybe because...) I listen to a
lot of Porcupine Tree. For me the keys keep moving right along with
that spinning black and white vortex thing. Is that not really here?

On my desktop it's associated with Print Screen
On my laptop it's associated with delete



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: FIXED 3D

2009-10-08 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 08 October 2009 20:33:01 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:54:26 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> > And it's usually quicker to type with backticks instead of $():
> 
> But nowhere near as clear.

And it's quicker to type "$(" - muscle memory - than to do the whole hunt-
peek-peck thing to find the ` key - I can't touch type it, have to *look* for 
it

:-)
 
> > Note: not single-quotes ('), but backticks (`).  It's usually the key
> > above TAB and to the left of 1.
> 
> I rest my case :)
> 
> Note you can also nest commands when using $(), which you can't do with
> backticks.

That's neat. But,

please provide an example where an actual sane human would actually use it. 
Coz I can't think of one... 

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fed up with Xorg + hal mess [SOLVED]

2009-10-08 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 08 October 2009 20:30:30 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:47:03 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
> > The System Request key. Generally located somewhere in the upper
> > right.
> 
> Also marked PrtScn.
> 
> > It moves around though.
> 
> I've had this keyboard a few years and it's always stayed in exactly the
> same place. Maybe the other keys stop it moving :)
> 

Nope, you're just doing it wrong. You're forgetting to do the bit where you 
pop the key lids off to wash them then forget where to put them back 

:-)

-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: FIXED 3D

2009-10-08 Thread James Ausmus
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> On Thursday 08 October 2009 20:33:01 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:54:26 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> > > And it's usually quicker to type with backticks instead of $():
> >
> > But nowhere near as clear.
>
> And it's quicker to type "$(" - muscle memory - than to do the whole hunt-
> peek-peck thing to find the ` key - I can't touch type it, have to *look*
> for
> it
>
> :-)
>
> > > Note: not single-quotes ('), but backticks (`).  It's usually the key
> > > above TAB and to the left of 1.
> >
> > I rest my case :)
> >
> > Note you can also nest commands when using $(), which you can't do with
> > backticks.
>
> That's neat. But,
>
> please provide an example where an actual sane human would actually use it.
> Coz I can't think of one...
>
>
I've used it before - I can't remember what is was for, but I do remember
using nested $() commands...

Isn't ` being deprecated (by BASH at least) anyway?

-James




> --
> alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
>
>


[gentoo-user] Re: FIXED 3D

2009-10-08 Thread Nikos Chantziaras

On 10/08/2009 10:19 PM, James Ausmus wrote:

I've used it before - I can't remember what is was for, but I do
remember using nested $() commands...

Isn't ` being deprecated (by BASH at least) anyway?


Hopefully not!  It's just two key presses to type "``". "$()" takes 4 
(shift+4+9, command, shift+0).


What's easier than simply pressing one single key? :-/




[gentoo-user] Re: FIXED 3D

2009-10-08 Thread Nikos Chantziaras

On 10/08/2009 09:33 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:

On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:54:26 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:


And it's usually quicker to type with backticks instead of $():


But nowhere near as clear.


Note: not single-quotes ('), but backticks (`).  It's usually the key
above TAB and to the left of 1.


I rest my case :)


Why?  It's one single key.  Easy to remember.  Nothing is easier than 
one key instead of needing shift+4-shift+9 to produce "$(" :P




Note you can also nest commands when using $(), which you can't do with
backticks.


You can, but that is awkward (echo `echo \`echo \\\`ls\\\`\``).  But for 
a single, not-nested command, `` is lighting fast to type.





Re: [gentoo-user] Re: FIXED 3D

2009-10-08 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 08 October 2009 21:27:57 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 10/08/2009 10:19 PM, James Ausmus wrote:
> > I've used it before - I can't remember what is was for, but I do
> > remember using nested $() commands...
> >
> > Isn't ` being deprecated (by BASH at least) anyway?
> 
> Hopefully not!  It's just two key presses to type "``". "$()" takes 4
> (shift+4+9, command, shift+0).

$() is more consistent with other syntax elements in bash, It's essentially 
the same thing as evaluating a variable and inserting it's value. The `` 
syntax is a wild anachronism from days long ago that is completely at odds 
with everything else in the shell. Well, you can say that about many things in 
bash, but that's not a good reason to not fix anything...

IIRC correctly it's not really deprecated either - that implies the thing will 
go away some time. It's more "strongly advised not to use it"

> 
> What's easier than simply pressing one single key? :-/

Ummm, not having to look for it and find it first before pressing it? How 
about a keyboard that doesn't have it at all?


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com



[gentoo-user] Re: FIXED 3D

2009-10-08 Thread Nikos Chantziaras

On 10/08/2009 11:02 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:

On Thursday 08 October 2009 21:27:57 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:

On 10/08/2009 10:19 PM, James Ausmus wrote:

I've used it before - I can't remember what is was for, but I do
remember using nested $() commands...

Isn't ` being deprecated (by BASH at least) anyway?


Hopefully not!  It's just two key presses to type "``". "$()" takes 4
(shift+4+9, command, shift+0).


$() is more consistent with other syntax elements in bash, It's essentially
the same thing as evaluating a variable and inserting it's value. The ``
syntax is a wild anachronism from days long ago that is completely at odds
with everything else in the shell. Well, you can say that about many things in
bash, but that's not a good reason to not fix anything...

IIRC correctly it's not really deprecated either - that implies the thing will
go away some time. It's more "strongly advised not to use it"


I think you're confusing script usage vs interactive CLI usage.



What's easier than simply pressing one single key? :-/


Ummm, not having to look for it and find it first before pressing it?


That's true for every key.  But I bet you learned how to do shift+4 to 
get an $, right?  Well, it's much easier to learn how to press ` to get 
an... ` ;)




How about a keyboard that doesn't have it at all?


Don't know, I've never saw one.



Re: [gentoo-user] Formating a USB stick

2009-10-08 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
Am Donnerstag, 8. Oktober 2009 schrieb Mick:
> What's the best way to reformat a USB stick?  It currently shows this in

I remember from SD cards that formatting them with Linux often was to no 
avail - Windows wouldn't recognise them, neither with the fs on the device 
itself, nor with a partition for the fs.
So in the end I formatted them in Windows, and all was fine. :-/
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Re: [gentoo-user] Formating a USB stick

2009-10-08 Thread Paul Hartman
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Frank Steinmetzger  wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 8. Oktober 2009 schrieb Mick:
>> What's the best way to reformat a USB stick?  It currently shows this in
>
> I remember from SD cards that formatting them with Linux often was to no
> avail - Windows wouldn't recognise them, neither with the fs on the device
> itself, nor with a partition for the fs.
> So in the end I formatted them in Windows, and all was fine. :-/

With SD cards, often times there are no partitions. So if you create
proper partitions sometimes it won't read in other devices/computers.
(in linux terms that means you would format /dev/sda not /dev/sda1)



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: FIXED 3D

2009-10-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 22:34:37 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:

> >> And it's usually quicker to type with backticks instead of $():  
> >
> > But nowhere near as clear.
> >  
> >> Note: not single-quotes ('), but backticks (`).  It's usually the key
> >> above TAB and to the left of 1.  
> >
> > I rest my case :)  
> 
> Why?  It's one single key.  Easy to remember.  Nothing is easier than 
> one key instead of needing shift+4-shift+9 to produce "$(" :P
> 

But not as clear as stated above. I've lost count of the number of times
someone has posted a command, on this list or elsewhere, that uses
backticks, then had to explain what backticks are after the other person
used single quotes, not noticing the difference. You even had to explain
it yourself here, which took a lot more than an extra three keystrokes.

I'm not saying don't use backticks, I occasionally use them myself,
although I tend to automatically use $( these days, but using them on a
mailing list only causes confusion.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fed up with Xorg + hal mess [SOLVED]

2009-10-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:17:14 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> > I've had this keyboard a few years and it's always stayed in exactly
> > the same place. Maybe the other keys stop it moving :)
 
> Nope, you're just doing it wrong. You're forgetting to do the bit where
> you pop the key lids off to wash them then forget where to put them
> back 

That explains it, I just put the whole keyboard in the dishwasher.

That may sound stupid, but it's not as bad as using Cc: on mailing list
replies :P


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Re: [gentoo-user] Formating a USB stick

2009-10-08 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 08 Oktober 2009, Paul Hartman wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Frank Steinmetzger  wrote:
> > Am Donnerstag, 8. Oktober 2009 schrieb Mick:
> >> What's the best way to reformat a USB stick?  It currently shows this in
> >
> > I remember from SD cards that formatting them with Linux often was to no
> > avail - Windows wouldn't recognise them, neither with the fs on the
> > device itself, nor with a partition for the fs.
> > So in the end I formatted them in Windows, and all was fine. :-/
> 
> With SD cards, often times there are no partitions. So if you create
> proper partitions sometimes it won't read in other devices/computers.
> (in linux terms that means you would format /dev/sda not /dev/sda1)
> 

I have seen a lot of sd cards - anmd they all had a 'real' table with one 
partition - sdX1.

Except for cards that were removed from devices without shutdown/unmounting 
first. In that case linux was not able to find a valid partition table.



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Large update blocked

2009-10-08 Thread Kevin O'Gorman
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:40 AM, Doug Hunley  wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 23:15, Frank Steinmetzger  wrote:
> >> Is there a sane way through this update?
> >
> > Just remove eselect-news. From looking at eselect's ebuild I deduce that
> its
> > functionality is taken over by eselect itself.
>
> I had the same thing a while back. The above is correct. Remove
> eselect-news as the functionality is now in eselect.
>
> The sleep deprivation must have been worse than I thought.  I was
interpreting 'world' as if it were 'system'.

My bad.

++ kevin



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Re: [gentoo-user] Formating a USB stick

2009-10-08 Thread Mick
On Thursday 08 October 2009, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Donnerstag 08 Oktober 2009, Paul Hartman wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Frank Steinmetzger  wrote:
> > > Am Donnerstag, 8. Oktober 2009 schrieb Mick:
> > >> What's the best way to reformat a USB stick?  It currently shows this
> > >> in
> > >
> > > I remember from SD cards that formatting them with Linux often was to
> > > no avail - Windows wouldn't recognise them, neither with the fs on the
> > > device itself, nor with a partition for the fs.
> > > So in the end I formatted them in Windows, and all was fine. :-/
> >
> > With SD cards, often times there are no partitions. So if you create
> > proper partitions sometimes it won't read in other devices/computers.
> > (in linux terms that means you would format /dev/sda not /dev/sda1)
>
> I have seen a lot of sd cards - anmd they all had a 'real' table with one
> partition - sdX1.
>
> Except for cards that were removed from devices without shutdown/unmounting
> first. In that case linux was not able to find a valid partition table.

I formatted it using MSWindows.  Then checked with sfdisk and fdisk and the 
same errors (of "partition 1 extends past end of disk" and physical/logical 
endings mismatch) came up.

Running parted shows no problems what-so-ever:

Model: Ut163 USB2FlashStorage (scsi)
Disk /dev/sda: 1011MB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
Partition Table: msdos

Number  Start   End SizeType File system  Flags
 1  32.3kB  1011MB  1011MB  primary  fat16boot


Perhaps parted is more compatible with the MSDOS ways of interpreting disk 
geometry?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Formating a USB stick

2009-10-08 Thread Paul Hartman
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
 wrote:
> On Donnerstag 08 Oktober 2009, Paul Hartman wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Frank Steinmetzger  wrote:
>> > Am Donnerstag, 8. Oktober 2009 schrieb Mick:
>> >> What's the best way to reformat a USB stick?  It currently shows this in
>> >
>> > I remember from SD cards that formatting them with Linux often was to no
>> > avail - Windows wouldn't recognise them, neither with the fs on the
>> > device itself, nor with a partition for the fs.
>> > So in the end I formatted them in Windows, and all was fine. :-/
>>
>> With SD cards, often times there are no partitions. So if you create
>> proper partitions sometimes it won't read in other devices/computers.
>> (in linux terms that means you would format /dev/sda not /dev/sda1)
>>
>
> I have seen a lot of sd cards - anmd they all had a 'real' table with one
> partition - sdX1.
>
> Except for cards that were removed from devices without shutdown/unmounting
> first. In that case linux was not able to find a valid partition table.

Could be I am getting confused in my old age. :) I have RS-MMC card
that I use with an SD adapter, and that has no partition, so maybe
that's what I'm thinking about.

In general I try to format my cards on the device I plan to use them
with the most. So if it's mostly used in Windows, format it in
Windows, if it's used in my phone, or my camera, format in that
device.



[gentoo-user] /usr/lib/ccache/bin does not exist, big deal?

2009-10-08 Thread laurent

Hi,

I'm emergin system and world after a little while, maybe 4 months, I got 
directory does not exist /usr/lib/ccache/bin


I search a bit, and it seems that ccache accelerate compiling.
So it's seems to emerge anyway in a good way.
What should I do to kinda make it better ? Just create that folder??

Cheers
Laurent



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: FIXED 3D

2009-10-08 Thread Jesús Guerrero
On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 19:33:01 +0100, Neil Bothwick 
wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:54:26 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> 
>> And it's usually quicker to type with backticks instead of $():
> 
> But nowhere near as clear.
> 
>> Note: not single-quotes ('), but backticks (`).  It's usually the key 
>> above TAB and to the left of 1.
> 
> I rest my case :)
> 
> Note you can also nest commands when using $(), which you can't do with
> backticks.

Note also that some languages and keyboard layouts don't favor the use of
the backticks for this case. In Spanish keyboards, this characters: `´^¨
are dead keys (I think that's the correct term, not 100% sure), which means
they don't print anything until you press another key. That means that to
write `foo` I have to actually type `[space]foo`[space], or at least
``foo`` (press the key twice). An in any case it's just a matter of tastes.
Besides that, $() is far clearer, and it allows you to do things like this:

echo $(ls -l $(which tar))

Just an useless example. That, you can't do with backticks.

-- 
Jesús Guerrero



Re: [gentoo-user] Formating a USB stick

2009-10-08 Thread Stroller


On 8 Oct 2009, at 22:10, Paul Hartman wrote:

...
With SD cards, often times there are no partitions. So if you create
proper partitions sometimes it won't read in other devices/computers.
(in linux terms that means you would format /dev/sda not /dev/sda1)


Uh, unless SD cards are seriously goofy - a possibility I concede -  
then they're just a bunch of blocks. Partitions are just something you  
- either you the user, or the manufacturer if they come pre-formatted  
- put on there.


I'm pretty sure that my experience with at least one external hard- 
drive (USB mass-storage device) was that formatting /dev/sda worked  
just fine under Linux (and, I think OS X) but was not recognised by  
Windows XP. IIRC mkfs.vfat gave a warning. When formatted by Windows  
XP and remounted in Linux the drive was of the /dev/sda1 type of  
partition layout.


This seems to be the opposite of how you describe, unless I am  
misreading.


Stroller.




Re: [gentoo-user] New laptop is slow.

2009-10-08 Thread Beau Henderson

G'day,

Grant wrote:

I just finished installing Gentoo on a Dell Vostro 1320 laptop.  It
has a 2.2Ghz Core Duo CPU, 3GB RAM, and a 7200RPM hard drive.
Navigating within firefox is pretty slow.  It's the response time of
the application, not the network.  It's much slower than my previous
laptop which has much weaker specs.

I noticed the HD light comes on when the system is pausing in firefox
sometimes.  I don't have any swap at all, I'm using the CFQ, and /tmp
is mounted on tmpfs.  Can anyone suggest where to look?

- Grant



Slightly related, but you might want to check and make sure your HD isn't grinding itself to a quick 
death as is always the case when I'm setting up a laptop:


http://en.opensuse.org/Disk_Power_Management

--
Beau Henderson



Re: [gentoo-user] OT: PC as USB client

2009-10-08 Thread daid kahl
> Not really specific to gentoo, except that I want to do this with a Gentoo
> PC: Is it possible to attach my Gentoo PC 'G' to another PC 'W' (running
> Windows) via USB, so that G appears to be a removable media to W? I think
> you need special USB cables with some electronics in the middlle for that,
> and I saw such a solution for Windows. Does anybody know if this is possible
> with Linux?

Did you consider something like an ethernet cable and using samba?  I
haven't used my Linux drive specifically in another Windows machine,
but samba works fine for using our network scanner (and I can browse
the relevant filesystems setup in Samba).

~daid



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fed up with Xorg + hal mess [SOLVED]

2009-10-08 Thread daid kahl
>> Nope, you're just doing it wrong. You're forgetting to do the bit where
>> you pop the key lids off to wash them then forget where to put them
>> back
>
> That explains it, I just put the whole keyboard in the dishwasher.
>
> That may sound stupid, but it's not as bad as using Cc: on mailing list
> replies :P

That's okay.  I washed my passport once.

...daid



Re: [gentoo-user] /usr/lib/ccache/bin does not exist, big deal?

2009-10-08 Thread daid kahl
>
> I'm emergin system and world after a little while, maybe 4 months, I got
> directory does not exist /usr/lib/ccache/bin
>
> I search a bit, and it seems that ccache accelerate compiling.
> So it's seems to emerge anyway in a good way.
> What should I do to kinda make it better ? Just create that folder??
>

The short answer is to edit make.conf and create a new directory.  For
example, here is a copy from my make.conf of the relevant location
(sorry for the line numbers):

FEATURES="collision-protect sandbox ccache userpriv usersandbox buildpkg"
# features for the cowboy in you
#FEATURES="-collision-protect -protect-owned sandbox ccache"
CCACHE_DIR="/var/tmp/ccache/"
CCACHE_SIZE="2G"

You need to add the FEATURE ccache (don't worry about the rest of
mine, but you should have some FEATURES I hope!), define the
CCACHE_DIR & CCACHE_SIZE variables, and make sure the CCACHE_DIR is
created.

For more information, you can check the gentoo wiki:
http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Ccache

Personally, right above the FEATURES declaration in make.conf, I have
a stack of comments so I can remember what features are available and
remember how to use them:

# Notes of all possible FEATURES and the respective effects
#  'assume-digests'
#when commiting work to cvs with repoman(1), assume that all
#existing SRC_URI digests are correct.  This feature also
#affects digest generation via ebuild(1) and emerge(1) (emerge
#generates digests only when the 'digest' feature is enabled).
#  'autoaddcvs'  causes portage to automatically try to add files to cvs
#that will have to be added later. Done at generation times
#and only has an effect when 'cvs' is also set.
#  'buildpkg'causes binary packages to be created of all packages that
#are being merged.
#  'ccache'  enables ccache support via CC.
#  'confcache'   enable confcache support; speeds up autotool based configure
#calls
#  'collision-protect'
#prevents packages from overwriting files that are owned by
#another package or by no package at all.
#  'cvs' causes portage to enable all cvs features (commits, adds),
#and to apply all USE flags in SRC_URI for digests -- for
#developers only.
#  'digest'  autogenerate digests for packages when running the emerge(1)
#command.  If the 'assume-digests' feature is also enabled then
#existing SRC_URI digests will be reused whenever they are
#available.
#  'distcc'  enables distcc support via CC.
#  'distlocks'   enables distfiles locking using fcntl or hardlinks. This
#is enabled by default. Tools exist to help clean the locks
#after crashes: /usr/lib/portage/bin/clean_locks.
#  'fixpackages' allows portage to fix binary packages that are stored in
#PKGDIR. This can consume a lot of time. 'fixpackages' is
#also a script that can be run at any given time to force
#the same actions.
#  'gpg' enables basic verification of Manifest files using gpg.
#This features is UNDER DEVELOPMENT and reacts to features
#of strict and severe. Heavy use of gpg sigs is coming.
#  'keeptemp'prevents the clean phase from deleting the temp files ($T)
#from a merge.
#  'keepwork'prevents the clean phase from deleting the WORKDIR.
#  'test'causes ebuilds to perform testing phases if they are capable
#of it. Some packages support this automaticaly via makefiles.
#  'metadata-transfer'
#automatically perform a metadata transfer when `emerge --sync`
#is run.
#  'noauto'  causes ebuild to perform only the action requested and
#not any other required actions like clean or unpack -- for
#debugging purposes only.
#  'noclean' prevents portage from removing the source and temporary files
#after a merge -- for debugging purposes only.
#  'nostrip' prevents the stripping of binaries.
#  'notitles'disables xterm titlebar updates (which contain status info).
#  'parallel-fetch'
#do fetching in parallel to compilation
#  'sandbox' enables sandboxing when running emerge and ebuild.
#  'strict'  causes portage to react strongly to conditions that are
#potentially dangerous, like missing/incorrect Manifest files.
#  'userfetch'   when portage is run as root, drop privileges to
#portage:portage during the fetching of package sources.
#  'userpriv'allows portage to drop root privileges while it is compiling,
#as a security measure.  As a side effect this can remove
#sandbox access violations for users.
#  'usersandbox' enables sandboxing while portage is running under u

[gentoo-user] Re: FIXED 3D

2009-10-08 Thread Jonathan Callen
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Neil Bothwick wrote:
> Note you can also nest commands when using $(), which you can't do with
> backticks.

You can nest commands with ``, it's just less intuitive; each of the
following are equivalent:

  echo $(echo $(echo $(echo $(echo foo
  echo $(echo $(echo $(echo `echo foo`)))
  echo $(echo $(echo `echo \`echo foo\``))
  echo $(echo `echo \`echo \\\`echo foo\\\`\``)
  echo `echo \`echo \\\`echo \\\`echo foo\\\`\\\`\``

Yes, that is a *lot* of backslashes in the last one, which is why no one
nests that far with `` (personally, I always use $() instead of ``, but
that's mainly because I switched my escape for GNU screen from ^A to `).

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Jonathan
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: FIXED 3D

2009-10-08 Thread Jesús Guerrero
On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 22:22:05 -0400, Jonathan Callen 
wrote:
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> Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> Note you can also nest commands when using $(), which you can't do with
>> backticks.
> 
> You can nest commands with ``, it's just less intuitive; each of the
> following are equivalent:

Thank for calling my attention on that.

Yes, I know how it works. I rather meant that you can't nest the backticks
in a vanilla fashion, like with $(). Escaping the ticks you can do whatever
you want, it's just a matter of making sure the right thing reaches the
correct depth in a nested chain of shells, since each time that this kind
of substitution it happens in a new subshell.

$ pgrep bash | wc -l
6
$ echo $(pgrep bash | wc -l)
7
$ echo $(echo $(pgrep bash | wc -l))
8

I'll admit I didn't express it in the clearest way. However, this doesn't
solve the fact of the accents being dead keys in a lost (most?) languages
with a Latin alphabet, but English, nor the problem about the clarity
(though that's less an issue when you are working in command line, most
times anyway). I have no idea if the accent is a standard character in
every keyboard layout, so I am not sure that that is a valid argument on
any sane keyboard. I just checked and that accent is even part of the 7 bit
ascii table (dec 96), which is as minimal as you can get nowadays unless we
are speaking about some exotic embedded stuff or ancient device of the
caverns, and in that case, probably the same could apply to $, and even ()
:P

-- 
Jesús Guerrero



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Fed up with Xorg + hal mess [SOLVED]

2009-10-08 Thread Dale
Alex Schuster wrote:
> Dale writes:
>
>   
>> Alex Schuster wrote:
>> 
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key
>>>   
>
>   
>> That's the one.  I think its either the second or third key that makes
>> it go back to a console.  It is nice to know about.  I have it taped to
>> my wall for reference.  It beats having to pull the plug without a
>> proper shutdown.
>> 
>
> If only X hangs, you can go back to the console with Alt-SysRq-R, followed 
> by Ctrl-Alt-Fn. If you just want to kill X, try Alt-SysRq-K. If the test 
> mode does not work then, try the 'textmode' command (typing blindly in a 
> text console), that may restore it.
>
>   Wonko
>
>
>   

Well, I upgraded to xorg-server-1.6 and guess what, it was a bust,
AGAIN.  I moved xorg.conf, re-emerged the xf86-input-* stuff and it did
do a little better.  I bumped the mouse and the pointer moved, then it
locked up and my fans started spinning up so I assume the CPU was going
nuts.  I had to use the Aly SysReq keys to get back to a console.  So, I
added -hal to my package.use file and re-emerged xorg-server and now it
works fine. 

I hate to say it this way, but hal just plain sucks.  I may play with it
some later but I'm getting sick of hal big time.  It's starting to
really leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Dale

:-)  :-) 



Re: [gentoo-user] Formating a USB stick

2009-10-08 Thread Mick
On Friday 09 October 2009, Stroller wrote:
> On 8 Oct 2009, at 22:10, Paul Hartman wrote:
> > ...
> > With SD cards, often times there are no partitions. So if you create
> > proper partitions sometimes it won't read in other devices/computers.
> > (in linux terms that means you would format /dev/sda not /dev/sda1)
>
> Uh, unless SD cards are seriously goofy - a possibility I concede -
> then they're just a bunch of blocks. Partitions are just something you
> - either you the user, or the manufacturer if they come pre-formatted
> - put on there.
>
> I'm pretty sure that my experience with at least one external hard-
> drive (USB mass-storage device) was that formatting /dev/sda worked
> just fine under Linux (and, I think OS X) but was not recognised by
> Windows XP. IIRC mkfs.vfat gave a warning. When formatted by Windows
> XP and remounted in Linux the drive was of the /dev/sda1 type of
> partition layout.
>
> This seems to be the opposite of how you describe, unless I am
> misreading.

Some USB sticks are formatted as floppy disks (?) and show up as /dev/sda 
(instead of /dev/sda1).  I have had no problems mounting these in Linux or 
MSWindows, but wouldn't know how to format them in Linux.  Their partitions 
look all over the shop.  dmesg shows:
==
usb-storage: device scan complete
sd 1:0:0:0: [sda] 1997312 512-byte hardware sectors: (1.02 GB/975 MiB)
sd 1:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off
sd 1:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00
sd 1:0:0:0: [sda] Assuming drive cache: write through
sd 1:0:0:0: [sda] Assuming drive cache: write through
 sda:
sd 1:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI removable disk
==

and fdisk:
==
# fdisk -l /dev/sda

Disk /dev/sda: 1022 MB, 1022623744 bytes
32 heads, 61 sectors/track, 1023 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 1952 * 512 = 999424 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x69737369

This doesn't look like a partition table
Probably you selected the wrong device.

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   ?  957875 104429484344761   69  Unknown
Partition 1 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?):
 phys=(68, 13, 10) logical=(957874, 21, 37)
Partition 1 has different physical/logical endings:
 phys=(288, 115, 43) logical=(1044293, 15, 36)
Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary.
/dev/sda2   ?  871681 1829612   934940732+  73  Unknown
Partition 2 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?):
 phys=(371, 114, 37) logical=(871680, 1, 61)
Partition 2 has different physical/logical endings:
 phys=(366, 32, 33) logical=(1829611, 4, 30)
Partition 2 does not end on cylinder boundary.
/dev/sda3   ?   2   2   0   74  Unknown
Partition 3 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?):
 phys=(371, 114, 37) logical=(1, 10, 12)
Partition 3 has different physical/logical endings:
 phys=(372, 97, 50) logical=(1, 10, 11)
Partition 3 does not end on cylinder boundary.
/dev/sda4   1 1759792  17175567360  Empty
Partition 4 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?):
 phys=(0, 0, 0) logical=(0, 0, 1)
Partition 4 has different physical/logical endings:
 phys=(0, 0, 0) logical=(1759791, 23, 37)
Partition 4 does not end on cylinder boundary.

Partition table entries are not in disk order
==

While parted again has no problem seeing it and identifying the partition 
tablet as "loop" instead of MSDOS:
==
# parted /dev/sda
Warning: GNU Parted has detected libreiserfs interface version mismatch.  
Found 1-1, required 0. ReiserFS support will be disabled.
GNU Parted 1.8.8
Using /dev/sda
Welcome to GNU Parted! Type 'help' to view a list of commands.
(parted) p
Model: Crucial Gizmo! overdrive (scsi)
Disk /dev/sda: 1023MB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
Partition Table: loop

Number  Start  End SizeFile system  Flags
 1  0.00B  1023MB  1023MB  fat16
==
-- 
Regards,
Mick


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