Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] dial-up, switching isp's and other thoughts.
Dale wrote: Iain Buchanan wrote: Dale wrote: Hi again, Same topic, same thread. Cool huh? [snip] Anybody know of any problems with these folks? Somebody see something I missed? Oh, $9.95 is a lot better than $22.95. I noticed that right away. Are they monthly charges? Wow, that's about $150 per year. With those savings you could afford a domain and someone to host it! If you don't want a full blown web host, many places will just store your email and manage the dns for you. Then you could have [EMAIL PROTECTED] as your email address! I have thought of having my own site and stuff but being on dial-up just takes ALL the fun out of it. The dial-up out here sucks even on dial-up standards. I get 24Kb which is about 3KBs/sec. I plan to go talk to the cable company in a local town to see if they have any interest in putting cable out here. That would be so cool. I could get Vonage then and save another $500 or $600 a year. I'm also going to check on Net Zero in a little bit. Ideas welcome. Dale :-) :-) Dale, do you get good cell phone reception out by you? You can get a sprint aircard and a linksys router that has a pcmcia adapter in it to split the signal. It's not blazing fast but @ 60/month it's way better than dialup. BTW, I'm sure you can do it with providers other than Sprint but I've only used the Sprint ones. -- Eric Martin Key fingerprint = D1C4 086E DBB5 C18E 6FDA B215 6A25 7174 A941 3B9F signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] dial-up, switching isp's and other thoughts.
Eric Martin wrote: Dale wrote: I have thought of having my own site and stuff but being on dial-up just takes ALL the fun out of it. The dial-up out here sucks even on dial-up standards. I get 24Kb which is about 3KBs/sec. I plan to go talk to the cable company in a local town to see if they have any interest in putting cable out here. That would be so cool. I could get Vonage then and save another $500 or $600 a year. I'm also going to check on Net Zero in a little bit. Ideas welcome. Dale :-) :-) Dale, do you get good cell phone reception out by you? You can get a sprint aircard and a linksys router that has a pcmcia adapter in it to split the signal. It's not blazing fast but @ 60/month it's way better than dialup. BTW, I'm sure you can do it with providers other than Sprint but I've only used the Sprint ones. Well, I live waaay out in the country here. Even the cell service is not real good. I also live under a hill too. Funny thing is, the cell tower is only half a mile up the road. For about $60.00 I can get DirecWay, Hughes or whatever out here. I just can't afford that right now tho. It's funny, I'm still looking for a unlimited plan that is truly unlimited. The terms of service really put limits on unlimited. Thanks Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] dial-up, switching isp's and other thoughts.
On Sunday 21 September 2008 13:32:03 Dale wrote: Dale, do you get good cell phone reception out by you? You can get a sprint aircard and a linksys router that has a pcmcia adapter in it to split the signal. It's not blazing fast but @ 60/month it's way better than dialup. BTW, I'm sure you can do it with providers other than Sprint but I've only used the Sprint ones. Well, I live waaay out in the country here. Even the cell service is not real good. I also live under a hill too. Funny thing is, the cell tower is only half a mile up the road. ha, that reminds me of a job I used to do in a past life - TVs and TV antennas. At the time the biggest, baddest, newest and most powerful transmitter in the country was right on top of a hill in the middle of the capital city. But in the valley and all the way up the slopes of the next hill then reception was zero, nada, zilch, nothing. I couldn't even see the carrier wave on a spectrum analyser. The reason is simple - the transmitter doesn't the blast the signal in all directions equally, it is focused to cover specific areas. So the customer wonders why he can see the transmitter 1000m away line-of-sight and can't receive from it. Those were tough times. The customer that accepts the technician's explanation of what is going on has not been born yet :-) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] dial-up, switching isp's and other thoughts.
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sunday 21 September 2008 13:32:03 Dale wrote: Dale, do you get good cell phone reception out by you? You can get a sprint aircard and a linksys router that has a pcmcia adapter in it to split the signal. It's not blazing fast but @ 60/month it's way better than dialup. BTW, I'm sure you can do it with providers other than Sprint but I've only used the Sprint ones. Well, I live waaay out in the country here. Even the cell service is not real good. I also live under a hill too. Funny thing is, the cell tower is only half a mile up the road. ha, that reminds me of a job I used to do in a past life - TVs and TV antennas. At the time the biggest, baddest, newest and most powerful transmitter in the country was right on top of a hill in the middle of the capital city. But in the valley and all the way up the slopes of the next hill then reception was zero, nada, zilch, nothing. I couldn't even see the carrier wave on a spectrum analyser. The reason is simple - the transmitter doesn't the blast the signal in all directions equally, it is focused to cover specific areas. So the customer wonders why he can see the transmitter 1000m away line-of-sight and can't receive from it. Those were tough times. The customer that accepts the technician's explanation of what is going on has not been born yet :-) I figure the signal goes right over my head, just like a lot of other things. LOL Dale :-) :-) Oh, I wish Gmail would send me a copy of my own post here. It looked like you were replying to someone else until I saw the quotes.
Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] dial-up, switching isp's and other thoughts.
On 09/12/2008 12:55 PM, Robert Bridge wrote: On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:42:09 +0200 Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 12 September 2008 02:51:21 Dale wrote: Get a Yahoo email account and pay for POP access, about $20.00 a year I think. Use Gmail rather. It's cheaper - can't get cheaper than free - and just works better. I second the Gmail suggestion, though Yahoo does provide free POP access as it happens (I have it). I use Yahoo (with POP) only because I do not want my email address to change. What has to be added about this: getting a POP or SMTP connection with SSL as transport is kind of gambling on Yahoo's servers, at least in Germany. My logic for seconding the suggestion is I have recently experienced e-mails from my server going missing after entering the Yahoo system. They are the ONLY email provider where this has happened to me. This comes from Yahoo's spam policies and their idea of defending spam. They send '451 Message temporarily deferred' to all not white-listed mail servers, which results either in a very long time for delivery or in the mail not being delivered at all. [1,2,Personal Experience] To put it in a nutshell, I would prefer gmail over Yahoo-mail, even if there are some discussions about privacy issues with gmail. [1] http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/postmaster/postmaster-25.html [2] http://www.ahfx.net/weblog.php?article=107 Best Regards, Christian Franke signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] dial-up, switching isp's and other thoughts.
On 13 Sep 2008, at 09:28, Christian Franke wrote: ... I use Yahoo (with POP) only because I do not want my email address to change. What has to be added about this: getting a POP or SMTP connection with SSL as transport is kind of gambling on Yahoo's servers, at least in Germany. Get an alternative email address now and start slowly migrating to it. In 5 years time you will no longer be using your Yahoo address and you will be able to drop it and save $20 per year. I appreciate it is a great deal of inconvenience to *suddenly* drop a current email addy, but you'll find it less of a hardship in some years time to drop an addy you no longer have a need for. I would advise getting your own domain because then you are no longer ultimately beholden to any 3rd-party provider. You can change to someone who gives a better service or run your own mail-server, handle inbound SMTP and have *complete* control over incoming mail. I advise this as someone who has been locked out of his Yahoo account - they arbitrarily changed my password and refuse to help me using any of their password recovery mechanisms. (if anyone can suggest a real useful way of resolving this I would love to hear it) After writing this I realise I've advised you to save $20 a year, but that the domain will have costs associated (since you're on dial-up you can't fully self-host, as I do). Maybe just start using an additional Gmail account now and worry about the domain in the future. You can get a free email domain from eu.org and you can probably find a DNS host who will redirect your mail to a yahoo address cheaply, though. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] dial-up, switching isp's and other thoughts.
On Friday 12 September 2008 02:51:21 Dale wrote: Get a Yahoo email account and pay for POP access, about $20.00 a year I think. I think this will make it so that I never have to change email addresses when I switch ISPs and will get the same service regardless of who I connect to the internet with in the future. This is a long term fix to my email switching issue. Use Gmail rather. It's cheaper - can't get cheaper than free - and just works better. Plus their anti-spam measures are very very good. I get about 1000 spams a month and average about 2 or 3 false positives and false negatives a month. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] dial-up, switching isp's and other thoughts.
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 12 September 2008 02:51:21 Dale wrote: Get a Yahoo email account and pay for POP access, about $20.00 a year I think. I think this will make it so that I never have to change email addresses when I switch ISPs and will get the same service regardless of who I connect to the internet with in the future. This is a long term fix to my email switching issue. Use Gmail rather. It's cheaper - can't get cheaper than free - and just works better. Plus their anti-spam measures are very very good. I get about 1000 spams a month and average about 2 or 3 false positives and false negatives a month. So Gmail has free POP access? I like to keep my email locally like I do with ATT. So far I have saved almost 27,000 emails from this list alone. I'm a pack rat. LOL I also found a interesting ISP. http://localnet.com/ I sent a email to check on any time limits they may have. No reply yet but it was a bit late when I sent it. Dang I wish I had broadband out here. sighs Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] dial-up, switching isp's and other thoughts.
On Friday 12 September 2008 09:39:25 Dale wrote: So Gmail has free POP access? I like to keep my email locally like I do with ATT. So far I have saved almost 27,000 emails from this list alone. I'm a pack rat. LOL gmail has pop - you can leave the mails on the srever, remove them. imap - leave them there, shift them off to the local machine. it's all good it all works. I use the method you do - pop it off google's servers and read it locally. Except I'm ruthless with deleting mail - stuff gets nuked after 14 days and after that I use google to find a thread on an archive somewhere -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] dial-up, switching isp's and other thoughts.
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 12 September 2008 09:39:25 Dale wrote: So Gmail has free POP access? I like to keep my email locally like I do with ATT. So far I have saved almost 27,000 emails from this list alone. I'm a pack rat. LOL gmail has pop - you can leave the mails on the srever, remove them. imap - leave them there, shift them off to the local machine. it's all good it all works. I use the method you do - pop it off google's servers and read it locally. Except I'm ruthless with deleting mail - stuff gets nuked after 14 days and after that I use google to find a thread on an archive somewhere I just set it up. I haven't been on gmail in a long while. I'm glad my password manager remembered the password. Anyway, after checking on the website and finding the instructions and settings, it was a breeze. I'm s glad I asked for advise here. I had no clue GMail had this for free. What's up with Yahoo? Last I saw they charge for this. Now to go test sending emails. I have never done that with anything but my ISP before. If I disappear for a few days, I screwed it up bad. LOL For future reference, my gmail is [EMAIL PROTECTED] just in case you see a nut posting with that email address. Thanks again. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] dial-up, switching isp's and other thoughts.
On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:42:09 +0200 Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 12 September 2008 02:51:21 Dale wrote: Get a Yahoo email account and pay for POP access, about $20.00 a year I think. I think this will make it so that I never have to change email addresses when I switch ISPs and will get the same service regardless of who I connect to the internet with in the future. This is a long term fix to my email switching issue. Use Gmail rather. It's cheaper - can't get cheaper than free - and just works better. Plus their anti-spam measures are very very good. I get about 1000 spams a month and average about 2 or 3 false positives and false negatives a month. I second the Gmail suggestion, though Yahoo does provide free POP access as it happens (I have it). My logic for seconding the suggestion is I have recently experienced e-mails from my server going missing after entering the Yahoo system. They are the ONLY email provider where this has happened to me. Just my 2 cents, Rob. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] dial-up, switching isp's and other thoughts.
Robert Bridge wrote: On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:42:09 +0200 Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 12 September 2008 02:51:21 Dale wrote: Get a Yahoo email account and pay for POP access, about $20.00 a year I think. I think this will make it so that I never have to change email addresses when I switch ISPs and will get the same service regardless of who I connect to the internet with in the future. This is a long term fix to my email switching issue. Use Gmail rather. It's cheaper - can't get cheaper than free - and just works better. Plus their anti-spam measures are very very good. I get about 1000 spams a month and average about 2 or 3 false positives and false negatives a month. I second the Gmail suggestion, though Yahoo does provide free POP access as it happens (I have it). My logic for seconding the suggestion is I have recently experienced e-mails from my server going missing after entering the Yahoo system. They are the ONLY email provider where this has happened to me. Just my 2 cents, Rob. Oh this is so cool. I'm switching EVERYTHING over to gmail. If Google blows up, I'm s screwed. LOL If I can get me a good ISP now, I'm going to be as happy as I can be and still not have broadband. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] [Way OT] dial-up, switching isp's and other thoughts.
On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:51:21 -0500 Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dale, After getting things switched over, I hope this will make things easier in the future if I need to switch ISPs or something. My questions are: 1: Does anyone know of a reasonably priced dial-up ISP that does not have a monthly limit? Does anyone see anything wrong/weird with my plan? Maybe something I need to add in? I tried both AOL and GMail and both annoy me to some extend. They both provide free IMAP access, and work fairly well. I always felt the AOL servers to be pretty slow (when using imap), and i hate the way googlemail saves your E-Mail thrice in it's own, duplicate folder structure (which doubles or triples the size of your local imap cache). This might be reasonable for people accessing the service only through their webinterface, but is annoying when using an external client. The thing that most irritated me after a while are the free provider's privacy terms. Google may archive and index *all* your mail (read: SPAM, everything) for eternity. AIM (as well as google) claims all content to be submitted via their services as their intellectual property (this counts for ICQ also, btw, use jabber!). This is laughable from a juristic point of view, but i find the attempt in itself reason enough not to use their services. There was this funny article linked on slashdot last week (http://valleywag.com/5044902/the-5-most-laughable-terms-of-service-on-the-net). I don't know about Yahoo! specifically in this respect, but I don't expect them to be any better. After some search i stumbled upon the relatively new freemail provider Lavabit (http://lavabit.com). Their service is very promising, privacy is most important. Connections to their server exclusively use authenticated SMTP and they offer pop3 and imap over SSL. There are free, free with ads, and two paid ($6 or $18 p. year) service models, each with their own limits. Most important for me was their free IMAP support. You might want to check out their page wether it suits you. I am very content with their service, even if you don't get an unlimited storage space at their servers. Google does this because they can afford it (wasting our precious resources) and in turn mines all that data for personalized ads, search, and whatnot. Regards, Patric
