Re: [Goanet] JOAQUIM ALEMAO BEATS ABOUT THE BUSH : SGF
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. The Goa Su-Raj Party, while CONGRATULATING the efforts of the 'SAVE GOA FRONT', and in particular, the efforts put in by Adv. Aires Rodrigues, in exposing the Sonsodo Garbage Tender to 'HYQUIP' scam, seconds the Front's call of the resignation of the Urban Development Minister. Let the Minister first resign until such time that the Inquiry into the scam is conducted. Let the inquiry exonerate the Minister of any wrong doing in the understanding the YOU ARE GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT' and then, and only then, the people of Goa will raise the Minister back to his honoured position as the Minister, with due apologies. Let us see the setting of some meritable precedents for once. As far as the Bainguini Garbage Treatment site is concerned, let the Government of Goa, and not the Urban Development Minister, who is a mere holder of the portfolio, give and undertaking to the people of Goa that this site is chosen with full and expert knowledge of the consequences that may arise due to this site, especially, when this chosen area is the home to world famous heritage monuments. In so doing let the Governemnt be responsible for this decision, fully acknowledging that whether in power or out of power, the key people in the government responsible for taking this decision will be held accountable for any disastrous consequences. The people of GOA will no longer tolerate dereliction of duties and responsibilities by their elected representatives in the government for any disastrous decision they take that will affect the lives, social and economic well being of the posterity. Sd/- Floriano Lobo (m) 9422060347 Spokesperson goasuraj - Original Message - From: airesrod The Save Goa Front today said that there was no point in entering into issues with either Urban Development Minister Mr. Joaquim Alemao or Goa State Urban Development Agency (GSUDA) member Secretary, Mr. Daulat Havaldar as regards the Sonsodo tender multi-crore scam. The Front states that there was nothing in Mr. Joaquim Alemao's statements yesterday that answers the specific queries raised by the Save Goa Front about the Sonsodo tender multi-crore scam. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Book Review: Penance - a Novel By Ben Antao
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Penance - a Novel By Ben Antao Published by Goan Observer Private Limited, 2006 Panjim-Goa, India, pp 333 Rs 200, $25 PENANCE is Ben Antao's second novel. In this novel the author excels in the art of story telling. The story moves gracefully in a precise well-written prose until it ends up in a tragedy. As the plot unfolds gently, the readers have a chance to have a bird's-eye view, as it were, of various nature scenes that he depicts with minute details--Toronto landscape, like that of Niagara Falls and others. At the same time, the readers can reflect upon the nuances of the doctrines of the Catholic Church, which have the capacity to control the lives of her adherents. Wisely, the author stays away from passing any judgment of his own on the teachings of the Church. The individual reader is left to make up his/her mind on such theological issues, if they want to. The plot of this novel as it evolves explores the relationships of the two couples that are brought up in conventional Catholic traditions. Both the couples draw their spiritual sustenance from the teachings of the Mother Catholic Church. James Kennedy and Alice marry after falling hopelessly in love; and they firmly believe that their Catholic faith is their towering strength that cements their love and marriage. Out of this wedlock, they have a son, Sean, the pride of their joy and faith. They both are very devout Catholics--a very dedicated family. The other couple in this novel is Karen McNulty and Donna Thistle. They too are deeply in love and consider themselves very much married. They explore each other sexually and their relationship is very much akin to the married kind; but they hide it from the public eye and the Church, knowing very well the societal taboos on the same-sex relationships. Karen and Donna, who were raised up spiritually as Catholics by their respective parents, also draw their spiritual sustenance from the teachings of the Church. Both these couples attend church services at a newly built church in Willowdale in the North York district of Toronto. After Mass, that Sunday in November - the feast of All Saints --these two couples happened to meet by chance in the Church hall over a cup of coffee. As James was surveying the scene when his wife had left to bring him a cup of coffee, his eyes fall on Karen - a brunette with a charming, oval face. He is drawn to her like a moth to a flame. Karen too had felt the strong pull of attraction towards James who was dressed in his tailored brown woolen suit and silk tie. At that very instant when they were drawn to each other, the seed of tragedy was sown into their destiny. James is a teacher in a secondary school, and Karen teaches in the elementary panel. Fate brings them together; but this time, without the presence of their respective partners or spouses. This chance encounter happens when they attend the Annual General Meeting (AGM) of the teachers' union. As Karen was glancing through this gathering, 'a bolt of electricity' passes through her body, seeing James entering the room. Later, twice the same weekend, they consummate their illicit passion that was itching their libido in Karen's room at the Regal Constellation Hotel on Dixon Road, where Karen had checked in to attend the AGM. Karen, who had never had sexual intercourse with a man before, 'felt fulfilled in a way she had never been fulfilled with Donna'. But their love also being beyond physical, Karen felt that she had betrayed Donna; a feeling of guilt traumatizes her being. James, who had never slept with any other woman besides his wife, Alice, is conscience-stricken; he has committed adultery. How is he going to face Alice? Strong emotional tsunamis assault their moral virtues nurtured by their faith. They are torn between their physical passion of their lust and their binding commitment to their spouses. Finally, when Alice discovers that James had cheated on her with Karen, she is so hurt that she escapes with her son, Sean, to her parents. Alice, who prayed rosary with her parents as a child - the family that prays together stays together - and who had knowledge of the meditations of Thomas a Kempis, The Imitation of Christ, reflects upon her marriage. As she reflects, it comes to her mind the passage that the priest had read at her nuptials. It was a passage from Corinthians by Paul the Apostle. It
[Goanet] KATOR RE BHAJI: Sequeira Signs Off
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. 'Kator re Bhaji!': Sequeira Signs Off (1930-2006) On a rain-swept evening on 29 July this year at the Secunderabad Sailing Club I met with Sir - he was always 'Sir' to me - for the last time. To the tempest of the angry Hussain Sagar lake in the background, Sequeira was to introduce me on behalf of the Poetry Society of Hyderabad to read from my debut volume of poems 'Last Bus to Vasco: Poems from Goa' (2006). In some ways Sequeira's life was pretty poetic itself. The youngest of 5 children, he lived on his own terms, did what he most enjoyed - made a career of it, in fact - and was loved and respected by one and all. Though he hailed from Sequeira-vaddo in Saligao, Goa, Sequeira was born in Abids, Hyderabad on 5 Jan 1930. All his life he travelled widely. 'He was a true humanist, a teacher, multifaceted and rare,'says Professor Rana Nayar, University of Panjab. At ease in Latin which he quoted that evening, Sequeira would often regale us in the ASRC auditorium, Hyderabad, in its heyday in the 90's, with passing quotations from Italian, Greek and Portuguese. From there it was a short distance to his whipping out his mouth organ and playing a blues tune, for the by-now unforgettable lecture-dems on American music. Though he had over 80 research articles to his credit it was his book 'Popular Culture: East and West' (1991) which best defined him in the scope of its discussion from the Goan carnival to Bob Dylan. He had the gift of making you believe in yourself. His twinkling eyes made everything seem alright. He spurred you on to what you could become - to perfect yourself. In Chandigarh for the MELUS conference at Panjab University in March 2005, after playing for him the customary Goan dulpods which he loved, he pointed out that my guitar recital of a Giuliani 'Andante' needed brushing up. He was a connoisseur of the arts and everything of taste. Sequeira was a father-figure for so many of us. And on the 29th evening he quipped that he had now achieved 'grandfather' status since he had taught Professor Lakshmi Chandra, CIEFL Hyderabad, my own PhD supervisor, back in '71 at the Nizam college, Hyderabad. 'His dedication to the ASRC, his willingness to listen and to help,' are fondly remembered by Professor Chandra. 'An era ended with him. He was a person of the first magnitude, an institution by himself,' says Ms. Tanutrushna Panigrahi, Fulbright scholar and Assistant Professor of English, Bhubaneshwar. 'Books, music and food, these were his loves - in that order. He used to encourage people who wanted to study and helped them financially too,' recalls Mrs Marie Sequeira, wife of Sequeira's nephew Hector. 'On Sunday mornings he was part of the church choir; in the afternoon he would visit the Widow's Home to spread the sunshine of his bonhomie,' reminisces Manju Jaidka in her moving tribute on the net ( http://dearer.blogspot.com/). And on the 29th I left the company of those partaking of the banquet of snacks and hastened into the plush hall. I wanted to compose myself for the reading from my poems which he had enjoyed immensely for the 'sights and sound of Goa.' There in the vast hall was Sir, a lone figure, in his light grey safari, proud in his ideals and life long values, already sitting on one of the chairs. Always conscious of time, Sir was there before time near the dais. Alone-ness, however, was no stranger to Sequeira - he remained a bachelor. I seized those precious moments with him and he asked me about my work. I told him about my poetry reading in Calangute, Goa the week before. And of the earlier reading at Cafe Literati of 'Kator re Bhaji'. He was saddened by the dwindling numbers who actually spoke or understood Konkani these days. So full of his joie de vivre, he once more urged me on to write more and continue what I was doing. And after a pause he burst out in Konkani 'Kator re bhaji!' the colloquial idiomatic expression to roughly mean 'Carry on! Press ahead with what you are doing!' (I am most grateful to Daniel F de Souza of Vasco for his insight on the expression.) Sequeira would mean that for all us who knew him, to realize our dreams as he would want us to. The partial lunar eclipse on the night he left us on 7 September must yield to a new day imbued with the spirit of his vision and his values. Brian Mendonça [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9818432507 New Delhi
[Goanet] Shalini Mardolkar - Tichi suadik talleachi modurai ani 'bhou natural' bhumika korpi ostori
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. SHALINI MARDOLKAR Konkani palkar bhou natural bhumika korpi ostori ek Shalini Mardolkar. Shalini Aogostachea 15ver, 1939 vorsa, Mardol, Goem zolmoli. Shalinink Konkani palkar 'professional' tiatrant Anthony Franklin, hannem aplea 'Bhau' tiatrant mukhi partint haddleli. Bhurgechponnim than Shalinichea rogtant nattok kola asli. Ticho 'Shalini Songit Mandal' mhunn khas pongodd aslo. Hea pongddanctlea nattkamnim tika bhurgeacheo (lhan cheddum vo cheddo) bhumika ditale. Tancho pongodd chodd so Zatreak, Morathi nattkam sabar ganvamnim palkar haddtale. Survatek tem Morathi ani Gujaratti nattkamnim bhumika kortalem dekhunuch Shalini ekdomuch nizacheo bhumika korta. Morathi ani Gujratti nattkamnim 'perfection' polloitat, ani digodorspi aplea kolakaram koddlean ekdom nizacheo bhumika korun ghetat, ani hacheach vorvim Shalinichem machier vagop, uloup ani paulam marop ekdom somik (natural). Franklin, hanchea 'Bhau' tiatrant Shalinin, C.Alvares-achea sangatak mukhel part kel'li. Hea tiatrant Anthony Mendes, Souza Ferrao, adi. Osle voznadik tiatrist asle. Shalinin, Anthony Mendes-a vangdda hea tiatrant ek comedy duett gailem. Tea upranta taka C. Alvares, hachea 'VOJEM' tiatrant bhag gheuvpak soeg meulo, ani hea tiatrant Shalini vhodd fank zoddunk pavlem. J.P. Souzalin, hachea ' SAT DUKHI' tiatrant Shalini Saibinnichi bhumika keli ani tea uprant Souzalin-achea soglleam tiatranim bhag ghevpak tika soeg favla. Tea xivai Shalinin anink khup digdorspeancheam tiataranim bhag ghetla zoxe porim: Jacint Vaz, Robin Vaz, Anthony D'Sa, Prem Kumar, M. Boyer, Alfred Rose, adi. Gitam gavpantui Shalini huxear. Anthony Mendes, hachea vangdda tem khup pavtti komik duettam giatalem. Te xivai M. Boyer, Master Vaz, Robin Vaz, Jacint Vaz, hachea vangdda duettam, trio, chouke gaitalem. Punn jednam tem Souzalinchea tiatraant 'character role' kortalem, tednam tem kednanch side-show-ant vantto ghenaslem khuim, karann 'character' pirddear zata dekhun. Shalinichea suadik talleachi modurai amkam 'Nirmonn' filmantlem 'Dhol Mhojea Bai' hea gita vorvim kollta, jem azunui amkam aikon xem dista. NIRMONN ani MHOJI GHORKARN, heam donui Konknni filmaamnim Shalinin mukhel bhumika keleat. 1966 vorsa taka NIRMONN filmak 'Best Actress' puroskar favo zalo, zo tika, adli Prodhan Montri Smt. Indira Gandhi, hechea hatantlean bhettoilolo. NIRMONN film kaddlem teach vorsak Shalinichem logn tea filmacho digdorspi ani nanvosto Hindi cholchitr digdorspi, A. Salaam, hache laguim zalem. A.Salaam, hannem-i Konknni kolek khup dilam. 1963 vorsa tannem AMCHEM NOXIB digodorxit kelem, zalear 1955 vorsa NIRMONN ani uprant MHOJI GHORKARN cholchitram tor tannem aplea khasgi 'finance'-an kaddlelem. Shalini atam Konknni tiaramnim khup komi dista, ani hachem karann mhollear atam kuttumbak lagon taka titlo vell gavonam. Te xivai tem apunn korta tea tiatrachi bhumika pollelea bogor digdorspeak kednanch utor dinam. Somplolea C. Alvares, hannem kaddlealea FAXI MOGACHI konknni video filmant tem borem porzoll'lam. Tachem hit Hindi film mhollear TAQDEER, jem NIRMONN, hea Konknni filmacher attaplelem. Gelea vorsant Shalininin Goeant aplo tiatr SOUNSARCHO GADDO machier haddlolo, punn heam proigam vixim tem khoxi zalem nam, karann sangati kolakarancho boro sohokar mell'lo nam dekhun. Shalinin anikui tiatr boroileat, punn machier haddunk nant, karann tika 'perfection' zai, ani Konknni palkar aiz-kal, don-tin ensaio marun tiatr machier haddtat, tem tika bilkul mandonam. Ani halinch tannem Goeant tiatr dakhoilolo, tacher tem odhik xiklam.. Adleam tiatristam porim atam sangati tiatrist kainch sohokar divpi nhoi, ani hatak hat dhorun cholpi munis nhoi, hem sot tika pottlam. Shalini aplea kuttumba sangata Bombaim, Khar jieta. Courtesy: Tiatr Tiatrists - by Fausto V. Da Costa This publication is available to view on www.goa-world.com under special arrangement by Gaspar Almeida with the publisher. Visit www.goa-world.com/goa/tiatrtiatrist/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Frank Moraes on Pakistan
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. From his Witness to an Era, 1973. Jinnah had set up practise befre the Privy Council; he took chambers in King's Bench Walk and bought a house in Hampstead. There was a spruce, burnished quality in his appearance, i had heard tales of his rudeness, to me over fifteen years he was never anything but considerate, often kind. At the time i was president of the Indian Students Association in London, there were afternoons when i spent an hour or two with him. One evening, over dinner at Shaffis' on Gerrard St., i heard Sir Mohammed Iqbal speak: it was during a Round Table Conference, and he was a Muslim Delegate from India. He advocated the partitioning of India, and mentioned the word Pakistan. It was the first time i had heard it. I told Jinnah about it the next day: amused, he threw his head back, my dear boy, he chuckled, don't you know Iqbal isn't a politician ? He's a poet. Poet's are dreamers. (A Bombay native, Jinnah later gifted his stately home on Malabar Hill to his old country, India leases it to Britain, and it serves as the High Commissioner's residence.) ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Of top secret recipes and grandma's weather forecasts
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. See essay below submitted for the GOA SUDHAROP GOAN SENIORS E-BOOK. Thank you for your support. Goa Sudharop ** REMINISCENCES OF MY GOAN YOUTH By LORETTA ANDRADE Listening to family stories and reminiscing about the past can be healing both physically and emotionally. People feel good telling their life stories, their meaningful life experiences, talking about their relationships. Remembered stories rekindle thoughts of love and connection with others as well as helping distance todayâs concerns and worries. Memories are what theyâre made of. My childhood memories take me back to Anjuna. Often, I visited the ancestral house of my grandparents. Every holiday, the passage home was a mix of adventure and some anxiety of not being on time to catch the last ferry-boat. We crossed over when the ferry-boat (gasoline) came, walking past the new Mandovi Hotel becoming intrigued with the scene depicted by the Abade Faria statue. We walked along the road with our trunks in hand and stood near the Adil Shah Palace with some apprehension of the sentry on guard duty. After an hours wait we took the âcamihaoâ. Before we got home, word would have reached home that you were coming. It felt so good to have come home. The walls of the large-sized hall were almost fully covered with photographs behind each glass faces frozen in time in groups, as couples or alone. They sat or stood besides a tall stool or with a vase of artificial flowers. Some preferred to pose from outside standing proudly in the balcao or against the backdrop of trees. Often I watched them but never worried about so many silent eyes looking at us all the time we stayed there, awake or sleeping. My grandpaâs favorite game was guessing the identities of the people in the photographs. It was not easy even for me. They looked a lot different from the naked, squirming toddlers held firmly in front of the camera by an adult. The clothes these people wore were too old fashioned. The women wore blouses with frills or puffed sleeves and tucked the pallu of their saree firmly at the waist. The men wore baggy pants and small round framed spectacles were common to both sexes. I remember very vividly going shopping to the Mapusa market on Fridays. My grandmama would purchase spices and loads of chillies to pound fresh masalas ay home. The recipe was top secret it is never divulged to anyone, except the daughters of the house. It has been so for generations, the recipe passing from mother to daughter, and so on to me. Every time I hear the Spice Girls singing, the unsung ones of my childhood come to my mind. Childhood summer vacation in Anjuna, meant swinging from the tamarind tree near the well, battling hordes of squabbling parakeets to get to the guavas first, knocking raw mangoes or gathering juicy jambools near the stream. A nag champa tree grew on the other side looking like a 1,000-headed serpant guarding a shivling. Around the stream there were large pits of coconut husk soaking at the edge of the water. Women could be seen threshing the cured husk and turning the fiber into coir ropes. The stream was always full of water and in a few spots where migratory birds stopped on the flight. Barely visible from there, was a little hill with a cross atop it. It was customary for the church, to announce the hour of the mass by pealing the church bells in different tones. Other lasting sound impressions were from the trumpet like car horn, also the poderâs horn and the bullock cart stacked with hay trundling down the muddy pathway. For me, there was an element of magic in these sounds. They helped to spread a little extra sunshine and cheer in my life and those of others. And surprisingly, the scent of this childhood magic still lingers on. In the Anjuna village we did not depend on the weatherman to know when the monsoon will arrive. Our grandma was a better forecaster. She looked at the signs nature provided. The sound of waves breaking in the rough sea, the fireflies (glow worms) which lights the nights, the insects which flirt with light and the best the croaking frogs were signs that the monsoon winds had touched Goan shores. Various sounds associated with nature evoke nostalgic memories. Early in the morning, the chirping of birds. They had been the alarm clock for me to wake
[Goanet] DNA and Goans
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Eddie Fernandes says: Anushka Asthana, 25, responds: My parents are Indian, my grandparents are Indian and as far back as they know, all their relatives are Indian. So these results certainly came as a surprise. The European connection less so, because my mum's family are from the north Indian state of Punjab, where the population is extremely fair and I have been told there was considerable movement there from Europe in the past. I was more surprised by the east Asian connection - I have certainly never identified myself as Chinese, Japanese or Vietnamese, yet according to the results these are 25 per cent of my origins. While I think it is fascinating I am not convinced by this high figure. I love the fact I could be a melting pot of so many diverse cultures. Affra Says:- Europeans have 'Thalasaemia' in their blood, Especially Greeks have it. North of India was invaded by the Greeks, most of the warriors settled down in the North of India, because they could not be bothered to go back, others had intermarried. NOW 25% of Punjabies have Thalasemia due to this Greek mixture. Now people in Goa have Thalasaemia too! may be due to Portuguese (European) mixture? Afra. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] The tragic accident in USA
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Sir, I would like to express my heartfelt sympathies to the family of this young couple and their loving Son, and ask God to help them bear this great loss. My wife and friends living here in Kuwait are deeply touched by this tragedy. In times such as these, words are poor comforters, the heart knows its own sorrow and in such sorrows we are always left alone. God grant Mekson, Sharina, and Nash Eternal Peace. I also pray that these rash drivers, are brought to book immediately. Living in Kuwait, I know at times how these rash drivers can play with innocent lives.May the local community work to bring justice to this crime. Joseph Anthony D' John Kuwait ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Happy Feast - Festachim Porbim - Boas Festas!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Anjunkars, On the occasion of the feast of our Patron, St. Michael the Archangel, today, October 1, 2006, I wish you all a very happy feast. Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Agnel Polytechnic Alumni Meet on Oct 7, 2006-3.00pm
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. AGNEL POLYTECHNIC ALUMNI MEET Date: Sept 22, 2006 Atten: All Ex-students of Agnel Polytechnic-Verna, Goa. There will be an Agnel Polytechnic Ex-students meet on October 7, 2006 at 3.00 pm with the prime intention to register an Ex Students Alumni Association. The venue for the meet will be - Raimundo Gracias Hall - Agnel Polytechnic, Verna Goa. You can participate in the organising/discussion of the above event by joining the yahoo e-group agnelpolytechnic-alumni You can join this group by httping the site - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/agnelpolytechnic-alumni and clicking the join button and following a few simple steps. For further information please contact M. Chagas Silva- Coordinator H.O.D. Training and Placement Agnel Polytechnic- Verna Goa. email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 2791205/06/08 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] The furore over consuming dog's meat
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. So what's all the big hullabaloo about canine cuisine? The apparent fastidious discernment about what we Goans eat is utterly perplexing. I remember enjoying delicious hot waghot curry in India. If my shamefully limited Konkani vocabulary is recalled accurately, waghot means bat (or flying fox, euphemistically). This Goan delicacy was eagerly sought from night hunters who used shotguns with buckshot or airguns to bag their prey. When preparing this exquisite Goan recipe dish one had to be meticulous about carving out the entrails carefully or the sparse meat would get irretrievably spoilt. Now mind you this gourmet fare was rumored to be served at middle class dinner tables with pride and joy to entertain special guests. I kid you not!!!. So if we notoriously carnivorous Goans do graduate(or degenerate) to relishing dog meat down the road it should not surprise anyone at all. While getting inured to the litany of Goa's problems, all the bellyaching about the menace of aggressive strays loitering around the streets of Goa brazenly takes the cake. Ergo, it's logical to think seriously of culling the dog population in Goa drastically. Propelling a proposed organized move to dispose of these mongrels is the stream of reports that they frequently growl at and bite our peaceful, law-abiding God-fearing (and Atheists too ) Goan citizens without provocation. This outrageous canine appetite for Goan flesh is absolutely unacceptable and needs to be curbed forthwith. Fie upon you bleeding heart liberals; the death penalty must be reinstated at least for errant dogs. Let's have neither lassitude nor lugubriously lament departed Lassie!!!. Now let's also consider the commercial potential of this plethora of the dog population in Goa. Setting up abattoirs to handle dog slaughter could relieve Goa's purportedly high unemployment problem. This abundant blessing in disguise could also be a gold mine for our exports especially to China. We already have a thriving export market for chickens and frog legs, so why not dogs too? Our offer to supply the Red Dragon prime cuts of dog meat will bring precious goodwill, promote international amity, and most importantly, earn valuable foreign exchange. Mind you, 2006 is the Year of the Dog in China and should be propitious for Goa and India too. The insatiable demand for dog meat cannot be easily satisfied. The Chinese have epicurean restaurants specializing in dog meat dishes and would welcome our slaking their eager appetites for this prize flesh. To boot, it's an opportune time to revive Hindi-Chini bhai-bhai as long as our Yellow race North-eastern neighbours don't cross the McMahon line again without official invitation. With a burning question I begin this prologue Why is it so ghastly to eat the flesh of the dog? Does this hitherto exotic diet make one a golliwog? Goans love to dine on chicken, beef, bat and frog Conceding between dog and pig, there's no analogue Of course nothing compares to sorpatel from hog Called dukor affectionately in our native brogue In days gone by it provided yeoman service in our bogs Alas, roving canines now our streets menace and clog Roaming freely in any weather, rain, shine, and fog With impunity the public they chase and bite agog Let's pray in church, temple, mosque and synagogue That many Goans don't end up the gloomy morgue So the time is ripe these tail wagging canines to flog Now I end this anti-dog verse with a grim epilogue Expressed in royal Konkani for them we have no mogh Curb them with carnage, no mourning with black togs If we Goans want to freely walk, stagger, run and jog Can we afford to let our beloved land go to the dogs? Cheers Arnold ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Sequeira's 'Arietta' : Hearing the Silence
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. I enjoyed Brian Mendonca's post. Keep 'em coming Brian, you raise our sensitivities and our inspirations. Roland. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Crime and Punishment: Boys lives cheaper than a kilo of tiger prawns?
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dears, This article was published in the Gomantak Times dated 29 September, 2006. I met Mr. Anil Lad [hero of the Hotel Mandarin vandalization expose] Chief Co-ordinator of In GOA News at the Condolence meet for Umesh Mahabre at Cafe Prakash on 30 September, and he had rather disturbing news of the Siolim electrocution episode. The Government electricity lines were tapped to electrify the fences [ not 'electrify the senses' as one advertisement goes]. The power was switched on AFTER the boys were already in the water to steal the prawns. They were electrocuted while trying to escape through the fence, which was charged after they were let in. ALL OF THEM DIED INSIDE THE FENCED AREA. If this is not pre-planned, calculated MURDER chargeable under section 302 of the Criminal Procedure Code [ not just a 304 or 304 (A) 'Culpable homicide not amounting to murder' case], I fail to understand what murder is to be re-defined as. The owner of the Pisciculture/Aquaculture Farm is Venkatesh S. GHODEKAR [as reported correctly in the Navhind Times 25/9/06 page 1] and NOT Venkatesh Gadekar [as reported in GT dated 25/9 on page 2] from Fernandes Vaddo [ or fonnavaddo' as the area where the house of the famous Remo Fernandes is also located] in Siolim. The prawn farm is a t Wadi-Siolim, just across the Chapora river creek from Fernandes waddo. [Both Fernandes Waddo and Wadi play host to the Sao Joao boat parade every 24 June afternoon.] In the caste-ridden Goan society it is no longer 'Babi, Shabi poco differenca'. It makes hell of a difference between Gadekar and Ghodekar, otherwise ask Goa's 'Power'full Minister. The 'Potential Difference' between the anode and the cathode of 'power fencing' permitted to protect sugarcane crop against wild boars is six Volts [6V] battery power. the aim is to frighten the animal, not injure or kill them. So who permitted Mr.Ghodekar to connect 230V powerline to the fence? That is the million rupee question that will tell you how the three boys were killed. In Goa News has reportedly aired the news on the cable network. Will the Anjuna Police investigate? Can the case be handed over to P.I. of Mapusa Mr. C.L.Patil, who was earlier with the C.I.D. for investigation? What is the opinion of the Electricity Department that deals with power usage and of Agricultre department and Fisheries Dept that deal with Pisciculture farms? time to get their opinion on record. Justice to the three boys depends on this as much as it does on caste and power equations. The future of law and order in Goa depends on the answers. Otherwise it will be Jiski lathi, uski bhains...and we still have the audacity to laugh at law and order in Bihar? what makes Goa's situation any different? Will the journalists help to bring truth to the surface? Or are lives of three village boys cheaper than that of one city boy's life? It is a real pity about the three boys. Two of them were football players for the Siolim Sports and Cultural Association led by Dr.Jawarharlal Henriques, according to reports. I hope Dr. Henriques and his wife, both of whom are elected Panchas of Sodiem-Siolim VP, take up the issue with the authorities. The SSCA must also do likewise if justice is to be done for these boys, the lives of whom were sold down the river on par with a kilo of tiger prawns. Regards, Miguel ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] On our Origins/Movements
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. A report i once read said that ' the pathetic king of Morocco has to juggle the demands of five of the kingdom's different ethnic groups.' It sounded sadly familiar ! We acquired an alien term, casta, and have unwittingly moved up a notch on the 'mean' scale. The oldest Sapien bones in Eurasia, Spain/Israel, are dated at 40,000 years, our Habilis cousins (Neanderthals) then eclipse, the last would die out 20,000 years ago. They had partied on most of Europe's bison and mammoths, so if you wonder about what we dined on, the caption on a picture in the Nat Geographic said it all: neatly sawed slices of their bones in human caves in the Ukraine. Vodoka had to wait, but our Cecil's retro-legacy was thistle wine ! ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] GOANET ADMIN: Goanet Rules and Guidelines
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. We at Goanet Administration would like to take this opportunity to thank all of our members for their continued respectful discourse on issues that are of common interest to the global Goan community. From time to time we find ourselves personalizing these exchanges that often lead to a violation of Goanet Rules. We believe that Goanet is uniquely qualified to offer a venue for communication on varied issues. Nevertheless, we have an obligation to ensure the issues discussed are Goa-centric and of interest to the community at large. In a continuing effort to ensure that this forum remains respectful and within its stated scope, we take this opportunity to direct your attention to Goanet's Rules and Regulations at: http://www.goanet.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=9 If you have any comments and/or suggestions, please direct them to Goanet Administration at: Goanet-admin at goanet.org Many thanks to our volunteers: Frederick Noronha (Goa, India) Viviana Coelho (San Francisco, CA, USA) Bosco D'Mello (Toronto, Canada) Daisy Rodrigues (CA, USA) Michelle D'Souza (Boston, MA, USA) Christina Pinto (Australia) Deborah Santimano (Lahore, Pakistan) Herman Carneiro for Goanet Admin Goanet Building social capital since 1994. http://www.goanet.org - Where Goans Connect! ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Section 377/reply to Selma
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Selma(or the person holding her ransom!), Should single mothers also be denied this right to raise children? They too do not fall in the category of a two-gender family. Is the government then going to legislate and control fundamental biological processes? Why don't us Indians just invite the Chinese to take us over and save us all this trouble of the democracy experiment? What about divorce then. Once a couple has children, should divorce be banned? Since obviously it is not best for the emotional well being of a child to be brought up in shared/single custody. If a murderer marries a drug dealer, they are allowed to have and raise kids, are we going to deny that right to well intentioned same sex couples. Many of these kids will come from adoption homes(in the case of male homosexuals). Are adoption homes better for a child's emotional well being than two loving parents? Heterosexual couples can have kids and leave them at adoption homes, but homosexuals can't adopt and raise them? Where is the consistency in your argument? What are you actually trying to say? Are you just portraying yourself as a defender of equal rights because it is fashionable or because you truly believe in equality regardless of race, gender or sexual orientation? You strongly object to the word bonkmaro and then to come out with these views that are clearly homophobic(not withstanding your legendary faghag status). There is a difference between being politically correct and being liberal in thought. Regards Sunith Velho P.S. Please do not accuse me of distorting your views. They are clearly mentioned under. Selma writes: However, the right to raise children is another matter. I for one, hope that India does not encourage any such moves. Not because I think homosexuals are incapable of raising good moral human beings, but because I earnestly feel that the emotional well being of a child is best served in a two-gender family. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Section 377/reply to Kevin
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. The question is, would you want to enact laws that prevent homosexual parents or single parents from raising children in their households? Cheers, Santosh --- Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My bias in this lies from the point of the child. A parent has to nurture a child not just through infancy but through adolescence and adulthood. The two genders in a traditional family each bring distinct dimensions into play. As an adult who is still very much a child to my parents, I relish the masculinity and femininity of my family. There are facets to my father which my mother could never emulate and vice versa. Every child has much to gain from the duality of the male and the female personae. Anyway, that's my two cents and it's probably worth even less :)) selma ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] AIR Delhi hosts Brian's Poems on Goa
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. AIR DELHI HOSTS BRIAN's POEMS ON GOA Last Sunday evening at 9.30 pm (September 24, 2006) Brian Mendonca was heard reciting his poems on the Rajdhani Channel of AIR Delhi. The frequency is 450.5 metres Medium Wave(AM), corresponding to 666 kilohertz. The crisp capsule of Brian's poems paints a canvas of idyllic Goa, against a backdrop of his encounter of the eternal truths of life, viz. life, love, beauty and death. The script is provided below. Since this broadcast may not be picked up by stations beyond transmission radius of 300 km. The poems were recorded earlier in AIR studios. This programme was made possible through the initiative of Vijendra Sajwan, Programme Exective, AIR Delhi. SCRIPT FOR POETRY RECITATION ON AIR DELHI Tonight I am going to present 5 poems for you bringing you the flavour of Goa in its many colours and its many moods. The poems I will present are: 'Last Bus to Vasco' 'Requiem to a Sal' 'Father Joseph Rowland-Salema' 'Sonya' 'The Bells of St. Andrews' 'Last Bus to Vasco' was written on a bus journey from Panjim to Vasco in 1997. In the early days when this poem was written, the last bus to Vasco from Panjim bus stand used to leave Panjim as early as 8 pm. Whatever ones business in Panjim or beyond the river Mandovi one was always anxious to make it in time to catch the last bus home to Vasco -or risk getting left behind. LAST BUS TO VASCO I Cool zephyrs of night Under the canopy of the western sky, Everything dissolves Places, smells, memories, distances. Orion smiles in benevolence. Full-busted fisherwomen urge their pantulems onto the bus. Maincho gho seethes the conductor. Mandovi bridge lights kiss me farewell As I gaze down, From Bambolim slope. 2213, PAGE ME scream the hoardings. Fulancho Khuris, spires doffed in benediction Matrimandir of the faithful. O Lord, hear my prayer Siridao Siridao, vos vos. Ancient palm trees, lonely sentinels Penetrate the inky darkness. Kingfisher Bar and Rest. Shrouds the brooding Goa Velha cemetry. II Zuari crossing Sodium lights shimmer on the Styx. Tourists whistle; Iea maray! Hurry up please it is time. Here time stands still. Unlike the stormy Krishna, or the restless Jamuna The lambent Zuari Receives the prow of the ferry boat In Cosmic harmony. Must call home. It's late. All-lines-in-this-route-are-busy. Please-call-after-some-time. III Crossroads Cortalim Watermelons galore. Ieta?says the matador van. 9.05 pm. Red tail lights flicker, Cavalcade of vehicles head for home. DEA, MH, GAO-2 Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam. The rim of land parleys with the river. Goa Shipyard. Pothole crater ahead!! Where tyre wheels measure The undulations of social interactions. KTC bus stand, Vasco. My two-wheeler sulks at my inattention. On the road once more, The short ride home . . . To Goa, my own Ephraim. My next poem 'Requiem to a Sal' was written in Mangor Hill in 1987. The poem is about the timber-providing Sal tree which is much sought after for construction purposes. REQUIEM TO A SAL They came Armed with axes And split its bark with gashes In a frenzied madness The glistening blade Laying bare The oozing gum, the ebbing life . . . Stroke after stroke They hack relentlessly, Until, With a mighty shudder What was, ceases to be 'New building coming up' -- they said. O hear my cry piteous Mankind! As years roll by, and you multiply, Will we be bereft of Nature's supply? REST in Peace, dismembered One, Condemned to oblivion by thankless sons. Your sprightly shade, your laden boughs The carefree twitter of morning birds. Forgotten. We will miss you. The world is too much with us! Alas Man! You exact too high a price To fashion yourself shelters through ruthless device. The next poem is composed on a little village in north Goa called Siolim. 'Fr Joseph Rowland-Salema' was written in 1999 during the parish feast of St Anthony of the church of Siolim. FR JOSEPH ROWLAND-SALEMA Fr Joseph Rowland-Salema Is parish priest of St. Anthony's, Siolim 'That's what they call me,' he says as he listens to Bach on CD. He roams the chambers of his 16th-century church With a grave poise, you'll have to agree Holding a finger on his lips, and a furrow of a frown To silence the pixea of Siolim. Of St. Anthony and his icons - the brown habit, the lily, the tonsure, the Child The village people know little Save that in Padua he was born, in the 12th century (I think) At the time of Francis of
[Goanet] Mhadei [Mandovi] River water dispute
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Mhadei water row: SC notices to Centre, Karnataka, Maharashtra NT Staff Reporter Panaji, Sept 28: The Supreme Court today directed that notices be issued to Centre as well as the state of Karnataka and Maharashtra when Goa's petition seeking a stay on the Kalsa-Bhandura nullah project of Karnataka government aimed at diverting water from Mhadei basin came before it today afternoon The SC will now hear Goa's petition on October 19. The apex court will also decide on the interim relief sought by the state on that day, said the state's advocate general, Mr Subodh Kantak. The state government had approached the SC with a plea seeking directions to the government of India to constitute Mandovi River Water Dispute Tribunal under Inter-State Water Dispute Act, 1956 so as to resolve the water dispute with Karnataka. PTI ADDS FROM NEW DELHI: The interim application was moved by the Goa government before a bench comprising Mr Justice B N Agrawal, Mr Justice P P Naolekar and Mr Justice L S Penta. The Karnataka government is starting the project from October 2. The Goa government contended that the project undertaken by Karnataka was aimed at transferring the waters outside the basin which was clearly contrary to the national water policy and would hamper the flow of river water. In the suit, Goa submitted that any abstraction of water by Karnataka would deprive its inhabitants of drinking water and consequently affect their fundamental rights under article 21 of the Constitution. The Goa government said the no project should be allowed to continue on river Mandvi until the tribunal adjudicates the inter-state disputes ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Remi Fernandes in London for Music Concert [OCt 21st and 22nd]
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Friends Goan born singer Remi Fernandes is visiting UK to conduct 2 Christian Music concert on 21st and 22nd OCtober in 2006 21st OCtober Saturday in Southall Community Centre NEar Sunrise Radio from 6pm -8.30 am 22nd OCtober Sunday in Eastham Town hall from 6pm -8.30 pm The programme is a blend of dance, music, audio visual and worship For more details please email or phone [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 07908983504 address Southall Community Centre 20 Merrick Road Southall, UB2 4AU Newham Town Hall East Ham London E6 2RP Luv Joseph __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Book Review: Getting Married in Goa
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Book Review: Getting Married in Goa Surabhi Khosla New Delhi: Marriage is not a word, it's a sentence -- a life sentence. And if you are getting married in Goa, this sentence could prove to be a tough one. Marriages in Goa, regardless of the community, are an elaborate affair. Right from the time the astrologer gives the green signal to the time when the couple returns from honeymoon, the marriage dream can turn into one long arduous nightmare if not planned well. Then there are those attendant dilemmas. Should one go in for an arranged marriage? How much should one spend on a wedding? Which auspicious day should you choose from the 365 days in a year? The moon is out, so where should you spend your honeymoon? How do you make sure that you don't miss out anything? What should you do to look your best on the big day -- the list of doubts and questions is nothing short of endless. Suddenly the queries seem to increase and your ignorance even more so. And as D-Day approaches, you find yourself bogged down by more and more details and find yourself thinking 'Why oh why didn't I make a list of things to do?' Don't fret if you have no idea how to address these questions. Getting Married in Goa has all the answers and some more. From the customs and traditions involved in all weddings of different communities to family planning, from how to choose the wedding venue to marriage registration and helplines - Getting Married in Goa is a collection of articles that explain everything. The book comes complete with a checklist, which helps you plan out the most important day of your life. Also mentioned are places to shop, wedding venues which can be booked, florists, photographers, wedding music, food, beauty salons and much more, which are good bargains and can help you plan a grand wedding in an economical style. Replete with Goan anecdotes, the book talks how to set up a home together, how to keep the magic in a relationship alive and how to lead a wealthy wedded life. There is a complete index of Yellow Pages that lists all the places in Goa, which are a must visit for organising a wedding including places that help one plan a wedding on a shoe-string budget. So grab your copy today and plan that perfect wedding in Goa! THE MATCHMAKER SAINT In Goa, especially among the Catholics, Saint Anthony is supposed to come to the rescue of young girls who cannot find a suitable match. According to folklore, a Goan lass had been praying to Saint Anthony for a suitable groom. With no good man in sight, the girl, frustrated with the Saint's lack of response, threw Saint Anthony's statue out of the window. The statue landed on the head of a dashing man, who cried in pain. Hearing his cries, thr girl rushed out to see what the matter was. The meeting resulted in love at first sight and the two got married soon after. Since then, spinsters invoke Saint Anthony's help in finding them the perfect match. http://www.ibnlive.com/news/book-review-getting-married-in-goa/21416-8.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Public Sins, Private Lucre, Goa Damned
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. On 01/10/06, Francisco Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Sir, October 30, 2006 Mr. Valmiki Faleiro's Sunday's column (Herald, Sept. 30), Public Sins, Private Lucre, Goa Damned, aptly describes the awful stench of corruption in public life today. It has truly reached Himalayan heights! What is happening here in Goa is simply disgraceful, pathetic. Nobody will listen. And, seized with a feeling of frustration, many are in a state of despair. As Valmiki rightly says, our politicians, bureaucrats and even citizens that abet evil practices, ought to know that, History tell us that when corruption peaked in the polity of time, our once proud capital, Cidade de Goa was devastated. One would think that only an unprecedented disaster will now be able to stem the rot. Unfortunately, when such great calamities happen, the innocent too have to suffer side-by-side with the perpetrators of evil. It would appear that even God while we live may not have a fool-proof method of selectively targeting evil-doers. True justice will nevertheless catch up with each one of us at least in the afterlife! Dr. Francisco Colaço, MD Margao. Goa. Cell: 9823190318. RESPONSE: The Politicians do not care; they are laughing all the way to the Bank and in many instances to Dubai and Switzerland! Their greed knows no bounds, one would think that having amassed stupendous fortunes they would try and give back. Nope they become even greedier. These same will perform pujas and go to Church on Sundays, airing respectability. The grim reaper will surely come, no one knows when. It is not unsurprising then, that when they are afflicted with a disease, these Politicans suddenly try to become holybut no, it is impossible...easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle, then for these despots to enter the Kingdom. Saying sorry or repenting is not enough!! I have oft said this, reparations have to be made! -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Looking for space to rent
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Goans, Am a Goan from Benaulim, mostly in Mumbai and was keen on setting up a massage centre. For this purpose I have visited many landlords from Benaulim to Colva; from Calangute to Morjim and the same reply is that they have rented out their space / premises to KERALITES Since canvassing for more than a month has yielded no results, I request my Goan brothers to inform me if they know any relatives/ friends who can rent out vacant space near the beach or premises near to the beach either in South or North Goa. Hoping for some help. Jude ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Distortion of posts on Goanet / response to Santosh
Santosh objects because of my reference to scientists, pseudo-scientists and mice. My apologies to him and his patients. But here are a three short points for the readers: 1. Santosh's own research and current work (from his bio) as posted by Mario on this bulletin board was on mice. So I am a loss at his disagreement at, mouse experiment, and its apparent extrapolation to the human situation. 2. Santosh objects to negative reference to scientists, as he states because he is one of them. Yet, he has no qualms being demagogic to oncologist with his statement, The post appended below propagates dangerous myths and misinformation regarding cancer treatment in this public forum. Most followed the message of my post with its illustration on this lay-person bulletin board. Some who refused to read and take the time to understand, then insist that they needed to be / should be spoon fed.=:)) 3. Santosh feels slighted at negative references to scientists and pseudo-scientists. I hope he shows the same consideration and sensitivity to other professions that he berates: individuals and persons (as in my case), and generally (as in the case of religious institutions, leaders and followers). Scientists measure and apply the same yardstick to every situation. This yardstick does not change when its applied to oneself. Kind Regards, GL --- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] From a scientific standpoint, as a professional scientist, I disagree with the description of the so-called mouse experiment, its apparent extrapolation to the human situation, the specific invocation and characterization of the immune system, and some of the generalizations made. Also as a professional scientist and at a personal level, I strongly disagree with the references to a pseudo-scientist in that post, and in a previous post in that thread. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Hindu teemple like soho phone box
Hi, Sachin said: THE HINDU temples of central and southern India can be startlingly erotic. The temples of Khajuraho are the most explicit, being encrusted with statues of naked females - big-breasted and narrow waisted - doing naughty things with rampant men (see them on Google images). How can a religion be so pornographic? --- Afra says: Since when did Hinduism become a Religion? According to Vedantas:- Planet Venus is Lakshimi. (planet of beauty) Planet Jupiter is Brahma. (planet that saves the earth by attracting all the debris in the solar space) Planet Mercury is Ganesh. (planet of numbers) On and On it goes, All the rocks are Hindu Gods. Does this make Hinduism a Religion. Take fasting for example: This is one of the actions one has to take to keep oneself healthy - this is in the Vedantas as part of Yoga (Yoga is NOT just exercises, fasting is part of Yoga). Does these Rules make Hinduism a Religion. Porn is Sin - Sex is not. Afra. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Field Hockey
From your archives, can you please advise the names of the Goans that represented India in the Field Hockey National team from 1970 to 1995 please. Thanks Stan DeSouza Toronto, Canada Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: Gambling: Causing more harm than good
Dear Goanet, Please can someone forward this and other such articles to our decision makers in goa Best regards, Mathilda Carvalho -Original Message- From: Goanet Reader Gambling: Causing more harm than good By Ruth de Souza One read with dismay about the establishment of ten new offshore casinos in Goa in an item in the latest Goan Voice UK and thought I would share my thought. I've just spent the entire week facilitating an annual International Gambling Think Tank and a follow up International Conference on Gambling examining the impacts of gambling in particular perspectives from practice, policy and research. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] AICHEA DISAK CHINTOP - Outubrachi 2ri, 2006!
Zorui aiz sompurn vortovlolo, faleanchi goroz aschinasli. (If today were perfect, there would be no need for tomorrow). Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Artist: Lucy Krone D'Souza
Lucy Krone D'Souza, is a professional artist in Germany (website: www.lucy-art.de). She paints Christian card paintings (Indian style version) Her website is at www.Lucy-art.de - HAVE A LOOK Most interesting might be the card: Indische Weihnacht (Indian Christmas) with Mary sitting on a Lotus flower with an yellow background. Let yourself enchant and abduct into a virtual pictures gallery, that seeks people like her. You expect a multitude of Mandalas, religious and historical pictures. An explaining text to each picture lets learn you the story that tells it. Welcome in our virtual gallery. http://www.lucy-art.de/galerie.htm They see itemized below a selection of pictures of the painter Lucy D' Souza-Krone. Click on the corresponding word in order to look at the picture! They will find an explanation to each picture! Thanks to Herman D'Souza for directing our attention to this artist. http://www.goanet.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=216 Goanet AE ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Propagation of a falsehood
The post appended below propagates a falsehood about me. It is falsely claimed that the following quote is my verbiage, and not Gilbert's: Thus the grandmother's observation was accurate. The truth is that this quote comes directly from the following post of Gilbert: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-September/048340.html Here is the relevant paragraph that contains this quote: A few years ago, an experiment was undertaken where a batch of mice were injected with an identical quantity (volume) of aggressive cancer cells. As expected the mice developed multiple tumors (metastasis) in the lung. Half the mice were then operated to remove tumors from just one lung. The other half of the batch of mice did not undergo any surgery. The mice were then followed. The mice with their tumor (partly) removed died much earlier than the group where the tumors in both lungs were allowed to grow uninterrupted. Thus the grandmother's observation was accurate. .Gilbert Lawrence Once again, I ask people not to be misled by someone else's mischaracterizations of my writings. Cheers, Santosh --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Specifically, in your post you wrote: In the very next line, following the description of the mice study/experiment we are further informed(quote)Thus the grandmother's observation was accurate.(end of quote) This was not an interpretation; you were quoting Gilbert, unfortunately with a quote HE had not made, but using verbage from one of Santosh's posts. Anyone who reads Gilbert's original post would know this. From, http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-September/048340.html The actual quote after the mice experiment is as follows: So old grand-mothers' tales are not to be ignored except at our own peril! ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Seminar on Diabetes
Seminar on Diabetes Diabetes is a group of diseases marked by high levels of blood glucose resulting from defects in insulin production, insulin action, or both. The number of people around the world suffering from diabetes has skyrocketed in the last two decades, from 30 million to 230 million, claiming millions of lives and severely taxing the ability of health care systems to deal with the epidemic, according to data obtained from the International Diabetes Federation (June 2006). The federation's data also shows that 7 of the 10 countries with the highest number of diabetics are in the developing world out of which India has the second largest number of cases with an estimated 30 million people, or about 6 percent of the adult population. The largest number of people affected by diabetes is now between the ages of 40 and 59. Diabetes can lead to debilitating and life threatening complications. The Departments of Biotechnology and Microbiology of St. Xavier's College, Mapusa are organizing a one day State level Seminar on Sugar After 40 on the 25th November 2006 in the college premises from 9:30 am till 1:30 pm. Therefore to give an insight of this biggest health catastrophe- Diabetes and how best to control it; are the objectives of the seminar. Kindly confirm by the 20th October 2006, participation fees are Rs. 150/- per participant and Rs.75/- student participant. You can contact the college office or phone 2262356 or email us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Section 377/reply to Aristo
Dear Selma, First of all let me assure you that I never thought of you as Homophobic, as I understood the intention of your post quite well as being faghag-ed. If you read my mail once again, you might just notice that I did not twist your words out of context, rather I may have been selective, only because I could not locate your post in question among the numerous posts on this topic. Please do not let any insecurities blur your understanding of posts by an intelligent poster such as myself. ;-) Secondly, let me explain the meaning of the word freak from the dictionaries I use (in this context, of course): - a person or animal that is markedly unusual or deformed - Conspicuous deviation from the normal. Outmoded name for oddity or error, eg., an off-metal strike. - A human oddity on exhibition in a museum or in a circus or carnival side show. Since you have endorsed the use of the word freak for Homosexuals, (please clarify if you have not, rather than accusing me of twisting distortion - this is my understanding of your post), I asked you, as I had done before in my post on the death penalty, what to you is the definition of abnormal? Where do you draw the line? At 0.5%, 1%, 2.5%, 5% or 10%? And while we are on this discussion about gay parenting, I would like to inquire about a personal doubt. I am not sure about the laws of abortion in US India, but I hoped that if I chose to remain single, I would definitely adopt a couple of children. Am I, as a potential single father, not qualified to raise a child with no female involvement? And going one step further, will two of me not be good enough? If not, you have made me a very sad person today. Regards, Aristo. On 9/27/06, Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Aristo, First of all let me assure you that I am the biggest faghag on both sides of the Atlantic. My friendships with gay men (unfortunately no gay women), are legendary (in my own mind only, ofcourse). It saddens me that an intelligent poster such as yourself has now twisted my words out of context and intent. My use of the term freak was, as defined by the dictionary, an anomaly. It is your understanding of the word freak that is inadequate, because you have interpreted it in its corrupted connotation. Secondly, let me explain the meaning of the word anomaly. That which is different from the mainstream. Is homosexuality different from the mainstream of heterosexuality? Ofcourse it is! In our constant quest to prove who is the bigger liberal, let us not blur all definitions of what is mainstream. And while we are on this discussion about gay rights, I would like to state that each one's sexuality, as long as it does not infringe upon the safety and rights of another individual, is their own choice. However, the right to raise children is another matter. I for one, hope that India does not encourage any such moves. Not because I think homosexuals are incapable of raising good moral human beings, but because I earnestly feel that the emotional well being of a child is best served in a two-gender family. There, I guess I'm not that liberal, after all. Now, where are my right-wing friends? Anyone? Anyone out there? :)) selma ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Public Sins, Private Lucre, Goa Damned
Dear Floriano Vaz, In my humble opinion you are a worthy political advocate for the issues that need to be addressed in Goa, but if you continue to do what you are doing, you will go on achieving the same results. These results being that your party has no grassroots following and you are just one more voice of conscience that everybody ignores. Your party needs a political makeover and until it gets that, you must engage yourself and those willing to help you in such matters, single-mindedly and wholly focused in one and one strategy only. Valmiki's post shows the direction. Goa is a fertile bed for the growth of corruption. It is a bountiful land with the most tolerant and accommodating people. That is what appeals to tourists. That alas that is also what appeals to the horrible disease of corruption that dwarfs every other public evil in its wake. It leaves the ordinary citizen robbed of self worth. All other public evils flow from just this one. If left unchecked, as Valmiki so aptly put it - Goa is damned. There's no benefit in saying that if Goans are kept alive to the issues of a crooked politician, he is able to garner the votes of the uneducated and poor outsiders. They have self worth too and if they are included in the equation of the fight against corruption, the corrupt will have no refuge. No number of Clinton Vazs will have any meaningful effect. Yes they will be called in by the Sanjith Rodrigues' and they will make their little changes, but they will be as effective against the greater malaise as a few sacks of earth will have against a bursting levee. The evil of bad governance must be tackled from it's most vulnerable underbelly - that of it's outstretched hand. Grip it, twist it and break it. You already have a core of Goans who have decided they will give no bribes. They must be multiplied and encouraged. And their deeds must be publicized as much as it is possible. Here's how you take the movement to the masses. You have the energy and the brains of Goan students and Goan youth that is now misused by the politicians for their nefarious ends. They are idealistic and they are brave. Harness their potential. Send them out in groups to perform public skits on the daily instances of corruption. Let the roadsides be their theatres and the public their audience. Fan them out from the towns into the most remote villages. Make them vary the act but sustain the message - we will prosper without corruption, we will be doomed with it. Take them in small groups to protest when a citizen brings you an instance of a bribe demanded. Bring in the press, the foreign media if need be. Bribery and corruption grows like mushrooms, In dark places and out of gaze. Bring in the sunlight of exposure. Go to the slumdwellers and enlist their youth. Teach them that there is a better life out there for them if they are willing to sacrifice for it. Feed their stomachs first. I am sure there are lots of Goans who have the means to give to them what they need of necessity. And if the Goans in Goa are tight fisted, ask Goans overseas for help. In this noble cause, they will not refuse. Bypass everything else. Leave pollution, environment, crime, language issues, community relations, police inactivity, bureaucratic ineptness and the myriad of problems that take up your attention to someone else. If you are on the road to solve just this one problem, you will have solved them all. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] KONKAN CURRY: REJOICE THAT THEY LIVED ..
REJOICE THAT THEY LIVED.. It has been a bloodbath this September. A pall of gloom that descended on Goa with the death of its much loved music make, August Braganza, on 07 September seemed enough to call it a Black September. Then came the sudden passing away of Umesh Mahambre, one of Goa's most balanced reporters on our lives and times. Quite a few of us will also miss the kindly, soft-spoken Dr. Roberto Dias, who has served the Goa Medical College Hospital for many years. It was at the funeral service that I noticed an epitaph that I had read before, Please do not grieve because we died; rejoice that we have lived. on the grave of Bernard Fernandes [BenFerds], the father of our Pop icon, Remo Fernandes. Adjacent to it is the grave of 'Dona' Luiza Fernandes, wife of Benferds and an active member of the Botanical Society of Goa for many years. Three different people but with some common threads that were woven in their lives to create the social fabric that we talk about but rarely stop to understand. All of them were simple persons, no airs around them. They were people with their hearts beating in tune with the people around them. In these busy times, when we have very little time to even stop and talk to our family members and friends even on a sunny day, it was nice to see so many persons braving the rains [it rained heavily on all the three days on which the funerals took place] to pay their last respects. If each of these three men had not touched the hearts of so many people in their life time, these people would not have been there for each of the funerals. Death is not the end of life but, rather, its transformation into eternal life. said Fr. Michael D'Souza, OCD. This is what we believe, whether we are Christians, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhist or Jains. In death we transcend the present to reach an eternity that mortals may yearn for but never get without dying. Those who would want to be immortal in their life time must deny themselves and serve others, selflessly. Those who serve, as Mahatma Gandhi or Mother Theresa did, are immortal in their life time. They earn our love and respect much more than Bill Gates and Warren Buffet, who have made and donated billions in charity, or George W. Bush, the wannabe Alexander who believes in the maxim Jo jita woh hi Sikander. Alexander did not live to see the glory of his achievements. His successors divided his mighty empire amongst themselves. These icons of today will become like Alexander of yore and be relegated to the pages of history.unless we emulate their virtues and their ideals.strewn on the path to fulfillment. It is for us to complete the unfinished symphony, to complete the reports. If we can take it no further, than we were fair weather friends: out of sight, out of mind. The Music Company, with August's brother Alex, Noel deSouza and Marino D'Souza, have had shows in his memory. A scholarship for a budding musician is in their mind. The Doordarshan is telecasting Umesh Mahambre's favourite children's play ORRAD, TORRAD RAKSHAS today at six in the evening. He produced and directed it with the meager resources he had access to. Perhaps, some publishing house will come forward to publish the script for use by future generations. The play has a socially relevant message. Just like the Wizard of Oz. It is in a language our children know and understand, a language that binds us, more emotionally than intellectually. It is in the language of the heart that Umesh Mahambre, August Braganza and Dr. Roberto Dias mostly spoke. Even words were often quite unnecessary. Let us peep into the lives of just one of them today. Umesh Trimbak Mahambre, known variously as Umesh, Mahambre or UTM by his friends and colleagues, lived in Aldona, Mapusa, Panaji and Mumbai during various stages of his life. He was always simple, honest, straight-forward and rarely known to mince words. He had strong opinions but rarely allowed them to influence his reportage. He may not have reported everything that one might have wished but, what he did report was as unbiased as one can expect. He was also known for his selfless contribution to activities of the All Goa Students' Union in the mid-1970s-80s, which achieved the 50% Student Concession in bus fare in an unparalleled student agitation. Before his stint as a journalist in Goa, Umesh was a news reader for All India Radio and Doordarshan, Mumbai. In Goa, he was associated with various social and cultural organisations and was a regular contributor to AIR [Panvlam Kann'kanit] and DD, Panaji. We shared the love of Konkani, our mother tongue in Bardesi dialect, though we wrote in differnet scripts. His children's play Orrad, Torrad Rakshas [ about a honourable , drunk monster] was a great hit among children and adults alike.Umesh Mahabrey was a Journalist [Chief Reporter of the Navhind Times and President of the Goa Union of Journalists], playwright
Re: [Goanet] Section 377/reply to Sunith
Dear Sunith, Why would I accuse you of distorting my views when you have stated them exactly as I have stated them? All the arguments you have put forward make absolute sense. I have no rebuttal. I speak only from my own experience as a child and a parent. Already my daughter, who is just a year old, is well aware of the gender differences between her father and me. She plays rough and tumble games with him, which she never does with me. She reads books with me, which she never does with him. Rosie O'Donnell, America's most celebrated lesbian mother once said in an interview that her (adopted) son says he wants a father. She doesn't have an answer to this. Would he had been better off in an orphanage? No, of course not. Would he have been better off with a heterosexual family? We can't be sure. Is he better off with Rosie and her girlfriend? How do we know? The truth is, I don't have the answers and neither do you. What we do have are some hypotheticals, which is what most of us have to go by in life. This is my opinion based on my hypothesis but it is subject to change if new evidence should present itself. Selma --- Sunith Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where is the consistency in your argument? What are you actually trying to say? Are you just portraying yourself as a defender of equal rights because it is fashionable or because you truly believe in equality regardless of race, gender or sexual orientation? You strongly object to the word bonkmaro and then to come out with these views that are clearly homophobic(not withstanding your legendary faghag status). There is a difference between being politically correct and being liberal in thought. Regards Sunith Velho __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] 2006 Vincent Xavier Verodiano Award Announced
VINCENT XAVIER VERODIANO FOUNDATION U.S. Office: 20 Sunnyside Avenue, #A134 Mill Valley, California 94941-1928, USA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regd. Office: Goa (83/92) Tel: 0832-2225726 Verodiano Award for Dr. Jindal, COOJ and Gawas The 2006 Vincent Xavier Verodiano Award has been conferred jointly on Dr. V.N. Jindal, Cause of our Joy (COOJ ), and to Mr. Ramesh S. Gawas The cash value of this year's award is Rs. one lakh. Dr. Jindal is credited with starting the first Faculty of Neurosurgery in the State of Goa, and has been its head since 1992. He has been instrumental in conducting research in the field of Neurocysticercosis, a neurological disorder associated with the consumption of tapeworm infested pork. He has devoted his time in specializing his skills in the field of Paediatric Surgery and Skull Base surgery. According to Dr. Jindal, Goa has a large number of congenital C.N.S. defects (brain tumors) in children. He has also observed that the coastal districts of Goa have a high incidence of skull base lesions, and over the years, has undertaken radical surgery for the treatment of these lesions. Cause of Our Joy (COOJ) was founded in 2002 by Dr. Peter J. Castelino, a consulting psychiatrist, to provide mental health and rehabilitation services to the community. According to Dr. Castelino, the large population of people suffering from the highly stigmatizing mental illness, do not get the required help either due to ignorance about the sickness or the attitudes of the community towards the disease. Dr. Castellino's clinical approach is oriented towards enabling mental patients to recover themselves and live normal lives rather than to be completely dependent on medical prescriptions. Mr. Ramesh S. Gawas is a devoted educationalist, social worker and environmentalist. He is the president of Rashtra Sewa Dal, an organization dedicated to the development of the downtrodden and the empowerment of rural women. He is also an active member of the Centre for Environment Education as well as the co-founder of Navanirman Abhiyan and Samata Andolan (movements for rural development and the realization of social equality). Instituted in 1989 by Dom Martin, the objective of the Vincent Xavier Verodiano Award is to promote the well being of mankind through individual advancement in the field of art, music, literature, science, medicine or humanities. Dom Martin Percival Noronha Founder-PresidentMember _ September 20, 2006 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] KONKAN CURRY: Crime and Punishment
--- Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some time back the Hizbollah in Lebanon kidnapped two Israeli soldiers. The Israeli government set its military might against the Hizbollah and Lebanon. It killed thousands of innocent Lebanese civilians, destroyed towns and residential houses and lost a 168 soldiers of its own in the effort to find the two soldiers. Does it make sense to lose 168 persons in search of two? Does it make sense to kill thousands of unconnected persons to find just two persons? To the Israeli Prime Minister, it does. It makes sense even when they did not find the two soldiers for whom they were supposed to be searching for. As long as one does not get killed in the process, the death of anyone else makes sense. It is for this reason that Mark Twain once wrote, Man is the only animal that blushes or needs to. Such is our vanity and stupidity. The cause of action and the action need to have some proportion. It is a matter of scale. Mario observes: Miguel, perhaps it is you who needs to keep Mark Twain's admonition in mind at all times, to avoid using inappropriate examples to make possibly appropriate points:-)) Perhaps you are unaware that it is Hezbollah, along with Hamas, Syria and Iran, that have not only publicly stated as their goal the ELIMINATION of Israel, but have failed not for any lack of trying since 1948 along with several other Arab states that have since given up after repeatedly having their behinds kicked. Perhaps you are also unaware that Israel withdrew from Lebanon in 2000 as part of a UN brokered land for peace deal called UN resolution 1701, which also required Lebanon to disarm Hezbollah and prevent attacks on Israel from it's territory. If several parties had not only threatened me with extinction but had repeatedly tried to do so, common sense would dictate that they had given up all expectations of any proportional response from my side. With this background, why would I even wait for their next lethal attack, as Israel did? I would feel free to attack them any time I felt the need to do so. What matter of scale can you possibly be looking for from someone targeted for elimination? Do you even know that the terrorists have demanded the release of thousands of their own people in return for the two soldiers? Obviously they do not share your sense of proportion or scale. Secondly, when dealing with a terrorist organization like Hezbollah, who even Amnesty International has accused of hiding among and behind innocent civilians, how could someone like you know who was a terrorist and who was a civilian in the fog of battle? Did it even occur to you that every dead terrorist can immediately be transformed into a civilian depending who is doing the reporting. Thirdly, you failed to make ANY mention above of the thousands of Katyusha rockets that were randomly fired at Israeli villages and towns before and during the conflict, targeting innocent Israeli civilians. I wonder why you left this out? In the conflict you misrepresent with considerable bias, the Israelies were not simply trying to recover the two soldiers. They were trying to degrade or destroy Hezbollah's ability to continue to attack them. With the Lebanese and UN forces now in south Lebanon, they succeeded to some extent. I guess, as long as one is writing from the safety of some distance from this conflict, and is not being targeted for extinction for some 58 years now, one can continue to pontificate and twist what is going on and make inappropriate moral equivalences about proportionate responses to one's hearts content. However, since the terrorists have been active in India recently, I hope you or anyone you know are not in the vicinity the next time they decide to blow up some trains, or buses, or, God forbid, a church next time instead of a mosque. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] GOA'S GARBAGE CRISIS : SGF IDENTIFIES SITE AT VARCA
The Save Goa Front has identified a suitable site at Varca for a garbage disposal plant that could cater to entire Goas garbage. In a bid to help Goas Urban Development Minister Mr. Joaquim Alemao resolve Goa's garbage crisis, the Front has identified a site at Varca, which fulfills all government rules and regulations. As Goa needs just one garbage treatment plant, if it were set up at Varca it would facilitate Mr. Joaquim Alemao to personally monitor its operation on a day to day basis. Save Goa Front has taken the initiative to identify this alternate site, as the Bainguinim site was not only against Goas but National and International interests as well. Regarding the Goa State Urban Development Agency's (GSUDA) Sonsodo tender multi-crore scam, the Front has demanded that the government make public the findings of the preliminary inquiry conducted by Goas Vigilance Secretary upon the directions of the Goa Chief Secretary who was the first to smell a rat in the whole scam. It was the Vigilance Secretary who after scrutiny of the Sonsodo tender file, had in his notes pointed out the very serious illegalities and irregularities including major financial irregularities while processing the tender, awarding the work and giving the mobilization advance. The Save Goa Front has urged the Chief Secretary to order swift action in the matter to pre-empt erring officials from manipulating a cover up with political help. Aires Rodrigues Convenor Save Goa Front Mobile: 9822684372 ___ Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Section 377/reply to Kevin
Dear Selma, Your two cents are worth much more than you think on this forum. The fact that you struggle with these decisions makes you more human than those pious souls who have all the answers in black or white. As we evolve, our opinions shift based on the knowledge we gain from experience and learning. Those who choose to refer to 2000 year old books for all their answers will either go to heaven or go extinct. (More on the death penalty later.) I, too, used to think that a child needed the mother and father role models to develop into a healthy adult but after witnessing the interactions within TWO same sex families, I have changed that opinion. I was genuinely amazed at how the male same-sex couple I know, with an adopted daughter, each modelled a different gender consistently. One of them was a typical 'mother-hen' making sure the daughter was dressed correctly, picking her up from school, helping her with teenage problems etc. while the other partner was more the 'Dad role' stricter with the discipline and made most of the decisions for the family, although 'Mom' did the finances. Granted, this is a personal observation but it changed my preconceptions of the family dynamics within a same-sex family. The roles were not as defined in the lesbian couple who had a daughter from a previous marriage of one of the partners. Both were 'Moms' although just from their interaction there was a definite difference in their personalities, one being quite decisive when it came to financial decisions, the other deferring to her and even asking every time a financial question came up. Both these couples are clients of mine. Aside from their parenting skills, gay couples make the best pet owners! They can empathize with their pets and project their maternal/paternal instincts onto their 'surrogate children' to follow all recommendations to keep them healthy. I think that mankind is generally an empathic being which is the basis for universal morality and necessary for social living and survival. However, there are deranged individuals who are loners and can survive in isolation but that is the exception. Similarly, there are exceptions wherin the ability to empathize has never developed either due to a physical injury, a chemical imbalance or a socializing problem as the child grew into an adolescent and eventually an adult who had no way of feeling his/her victim's suffering (whether physical or emotional). This has been studied in children who have fun pulling wings off or burning insects, grow into younsters who poke pencils into caged rodents and eventually have no qualms about setting a kitten on fire. In cases where these deranged individuals are a consistent danger to society, they need to be restricted - life time prison terms with programs to make them earn their keep as there would be no hope of rehabilitation. In other cases of 'crimes of passion' it has been well documented that emotions can run so strong as to overcome those natural inhibitions to commit serious injury and even death in some cases. However, do they deserve the 'eye for an eye' barbaric system of justice? The deterrent value of capital punishment has been refuted in many studies. It costs society much more to execute a convicted criminal than to incarcerate him/her for the rest of their lives. And since, in many cases, it is a neurological abberation that creates these monsters, are we justified in killing them to make us feel safer? I think not! Anyway, that's my $0.02Cdn for now. Kevin Saldanha Mississauga, ON. - From: Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:19:39 -0700 (PDT) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] Section 377/reply to Kevin This is one of those issues I struggle with like the death penalty. I can see both sides of the argument. Anyway, that's my two cents and it's probably worth even less :)) selma mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
