date:20071027

Dear Joe,
Is it indeed dhobdobo, and upon seeing your correction -- changed my
note to you. It is one of the more common uses of Konkani onomatopoeia
(in animated language). However, nachot nachot cannot be an
onomatopoeic word, since its sound does not create meaning. Even
though it is repeated it does not suggest imitative harmony.

An interesting use of the word "dhobdhobo" is here: Her khell
survatechea dekhavean thaun aplea dhobajeacho dhobdhobo soddttat punn
"Suseg" khellant oxem disonam. Punn Bab Sylvester Vaz aplea nazuk
survatechea gitan ani favo titlea rosall gavpan hea proiogache
veovosthit dav nittaen manddtta.
http://www.goacom.com/goanow/2001/jan/urba.html

A bit on: Characteristics of Indian Languages:
http://www.w3.org/2006/10/SSML/papers/CHARACTERISTICS_OF_INDIAN_LANGUAGES.pdf

Thanks for posting the videos, particularly of the caves. I would like
to visit them on my trip later this year. But what was depressing was
seeing those bars imposing on the facade -- but that is something I
guess we will have to put up in India for sometime. With all the money
grubbing that goes on is this the best that we can do in terms of
presenting even a monastic experience. Please let me know whether you
have ever posted pictures of any forts.

venantius

Re: [Goanet] Portuguese TV soap codenamed Imperius to be filmed in Goa.

2007-10-27 Thread Joao Botelho Gomes


Meu Caro
Faça-me um favor:
Não publicite aquilo a que em inglês se denomina "Soap" e em português 
Telenovelas.
O vosso forum já tem um nível intelectualmente baixo, não necessita de mais 
"Soaps" mas de assuntos de interesse intelectual. Entre outros e dada a 
natureza da questão os, por exemplo, nossos grandes dramaturgos.
Em nome de um nível minimamente aceitável de interesses intelectuais e de um 
número muito maior do que possa acreditar de pessoas que se interessam por 
assuntos sérios (e, já agora o bom humor também tem o seu lugar) 
ficar-lhe-ei extremamente grato. Até porque tenho Filhos e Netos que 
implicam uma luta quotidiana na ajuda à sua, deles, elevação intelectual.

Melhores cumprimentos
João Botelho Gomes

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Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 12:50 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Portuguese TV soap codenamed Imperius to be filmed in Goa.


The next Portuguese TV soap from Portuguese TV channel TVI is going to be
filmed in Goa.

The famous Portuguese actors Alexandra Lencastre e João Perry are travelling
tomorrow to Goa to start the filming of 'Imperius', code name for the new
TVI soap which will replace current top of TV audiences 'Ilha dos Amores'.

The script of 'Imperius' includes the Portugal of today and the Portugal of
the past  1960s and focuses on a family living in Goa just before the
invasion of Goa by the Indian army in 1961.

Unfortunately, TVI cannot be seen in Goa. Goan viewers can only see RTPi.
TVI is, however, available throughout Europe through TV Cabo subscription
via the HISPASAT satellite.

More details in: (Portuguese)
http://www.supergoa.com/pt/read/news_noticia.asp?c_news=877

Best regards
Paulo Colaco Dias

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[Goanet] The British a mentally derranged society!

Hi Bernado,
  And, what about a young white man killed in McDonald's by father and son?
  (The young man's girlfriend complained to her boyfriend that the son was 
staring at her).
  What about literacy in schools? the way it is going 81% of British white kids 
will leave school  at 16 or 18 without knowing how to read, these are the 
figures just published and broad-casted on TV yesterday.
  From: Bernado Colaco
The killing of the Goan youth on a walkabout in Southampton goes to
show the mental well being of British society. Having lived there for 6
years I missed several occasions of British thuggery. Does Cornel have an
answer? 
BC


   
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[Goanet] Emailing: article3098887

2007-10-27 Thread Ruby Goes

  
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[Goanet] Defeat Sardinha to expose Cong policies: Matanhy



Defeat Sardinha to expose Cong policies: Matanhy


HERALD CORRESPONDENT



CORTALIM, OCT 24  Condeming the Congress for its
anti-Goan policy, the former Cortalim MLA Matanhy Saldanha speaking at a large
gathering in Sancoale exhorted the people to elect Dr Wilfred Mesquita to stamp
out the devious policies of the Congress Party. 

Ridiculing the Congress for making false promises, Saldanha recalled that the
government had vowed it would pursue aam aadmi policies and wondered as to
why it was imposing the SEZs on the people despite popular opposition. 

Saldanha also mentioned that the Congress government had increased the DSS
doles from Rs 500 to 750 and now to Rs 1000 but in reality many people were not
receiving the same. With elections round the corner, some people have started
receiving the doles, Saldanha said it was time for the people to expose the
Congress for fooling the people by defeating Sardinha.

Accusing the Congress for imposing the election on the people, speakers at the
meet blamed politicians greed as responsible for the same. It may be recalled
that Churchill Alemao who was the then Congress MP had resigned from the Lok
Sabha to contest the State elections which led to the bye-election for the
South Goa Lok Sabha.

Others who spoke at  include  MP Shripad Naik, Sancoale Panchas
Tulshidas Naik, Partavva Bingui, Chicalim Panch Pratap Mardolkar, former
Cortalim sarpanch Antonio Francisco Fernandes and BJP Lok Sabha candidate Dr
Wilfred Mesquita.

Other issues such as law and order problem, victimization of non-Congress
workers were also raised at the meet. 

Ex-Sancoale ZP Neelima Naik, and the supporters of Matanhy Saldanha including
GRE President Agnelo Rodrigues  were also present in large numbers.


 


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Re: [Goanet] NRI Goan Lady shows the way and help others in need

2007-10-27 Thread Alfred de Tavares


Cyntush!

This wonderful Paragon are, indeed, thou.

I thank Tony for bringing you out from under the
bushel.

I am goind to pester dear old Edoardo for such well merited,
due recognition, and far beyond that, as Tony suggests, for
availing your resources in aid of our fellow Goans in the region.

Great Gal,
Alfred, your consistent admirer, etc., pray since when???




From: tony fernandes

Dear Mr. Edward Faleiro,

I would like to bring to your kind attention an article about this brave
Goan Lady, Ms. Cynthia Fernandes, who has turned personal tragedy into a
success in helping not only thousands of Goans in UAE and abroad, but 
others

who are in dire needs.

Extracts of article that appeared today in Emirates Today newspaper here 
in

UAE, are given below.

In recognition of her dedication to help others and, indeed be there for
others in time of distress, I recommend her to you for due recognition and
award, as an example to our fellow NRIs and others.

Re: [Goanet] Bishop/Diocese.

2007-10-27 Thread Bosco D'Mello


On Thu Oct 25 01:46:18 PDT 2007, CORNEL DACOSTA wrote:


Irrespective of whether he may receive answers or not, Albert
de Souza has an inalienable human right to seek information
about the finances relating to the office of the Bishop of Goa.


RESPONSE: Then by the same logic Kishore Kumar in Bihar and Ataullah 
in Ratnagiri have an inalienable human right to seek information about the 
finances relating to the office of the Bishop of Goa?


what is this "Albert de Souza has an inalienable human right" vis-a-vis the 
Bishop of Goa?


I'll agree that Albert has an inalienable right to write utter nonsense here 
at Goanet, until the Rules are changed.



whenever and wherever  monies are involved one key principle
is accountability whether by convention or legal requirement
Any 'infringement' of this principle  risks putting individuals
and institutions into disrupte.The Catholic Church is not exempt
from this kind of requirement in Goa


RESPONSE: Are you certain the Catholic Church in Goa has not met its legal 
accountability requirements? If it has not, what legal statutes has the 
Catholic Church violated?



Interestingly, Fr Loiola, working for the Bishop's Office,
did volunteer on Goanet, some information on the matter.


RESPONSE: Fr Loiola is a fine man and may I suggest you visit him at Altinho 
on one of your future visits to Goa instead of "ringing" him from the UK.



Indeed, the Vatican has a poor reputation on the principle of
financial accountability


RESPONSE: This thread is about the visit of the Archbishop of Goa to San 
Francisco that has left some in a tizzy. Drawing the Vatican into this 
thread is a misnomer.



- Bosco

Re: [Goanet] Annual Goanetters Meet - 2007

2007-10-27 Thread Tom de sousa

Thank you for the invitation. As I will not be in Goa at  that time I will 
be there is soul and all the best to the management of Goanet to Fred and 
associates. It keeps all of us who are abroad closer to home.


Regards,
Tom de sousa



From: "Goanet Admin"

Annual Goanetters Meet - 2007

Date: December 27, 2007

Time: 4:30pm

Venue: Foodland Restaurant & Bar

Re: [Goanet] Et Tu Churchill ?

2007-10-27 Thread borg costa


Dear Wilson,

You did the right thing talking to Churchill about the
language issue.

When you announce in Dubai about the Romi lipi my
friend said to me, to tell you, to ask Churchill about
the language amendment, cause last year you sang the
songs on Mopa airport & Romi lipi praising Churchill.

To tell you frankly the politicians like Churchill
want only the money & fame. He joined the congress not
because of Goa & Goans but for fulfill his personal
needs. They dont care about Goa & Goans.

Like Sardina, Luizinho, etc..., Churchill used the
tiatrists for his gain. Now, he got what he wanted he
must be saying "Tumi Tiatristak Xettar mar chouda"
sorry but this is the fact.

As you wrote Truth always wins. Politicians may delay
that "victory", but they cannot "deny" it. You are
correct Mr. Wilson.

Keep the fight going...

Borgee


--- Wilson Mazarello wrote:


ET TU CHURCHILL ?

By: Wilmix Wilson Mazarello


When Brutus, the most loyal and trusted lieutenant
of Julius Caesar, joined
the revolt and stabbed him, Julius Caesar is said to
have said in his dying
moments "Et Tu Brutus ?", meaning "You too Brutus
?".

[Goanet] NEWS:Dean D'Cruz to inspect Vaiguinim beach site...

2007-10-27 Thread Goanet News

D'Cruz to inspect Vaiguinim beach site...

By A Staff Reporter
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Gomantak Times, Oct 26, 2007

PANJIM: Architect Dean D'Cruz and advocate Ryan Menezes have been
appointed by the Goa High Court of Bombay at Goa to inspect a
controversial site on the Vaiguinim beach.

While the petitioners, the residents of Vaiguinim valley, allege that
it is a PCC structure on the beach, the respondents Formento Resorts &
Hotels (Cidade de Goa) claim that it is not a structure but a linear
wall. The two would have to inspect the site on or before November 27.

It may be recalled that appalled by the illegalities committed by
Formento Resorts & Hotels and angry with the lackadaisical attitude
and inaction of various government agencies to prevent such
illegalities, the residents of Vaiguinim valley had approached the
High Court.

According to the petitioners, the entire beach is occupied by deck
beds, beach umbrellas and barbeque platforms.

Moreover, Formento Resorts (Cidade de Goa) have erecteda private jetty
right into the Zuari river for the purpose of water sports activities;
a shed right upto the beach through which Formento Resorts operate
water sports activities and another shed erected upon rocks a few
metres away from River Zuari, wherein a generator plant and equipment
is installed.

The petitioner also informed the Court that some locations on the
beach are utilized for the purpose of dumping of garbage, to release
sewage into river Zuari, besides constructing a PCC structure tank etc
10 to 15 mts away from the sandy portion of the beach, private
chambers in public nallah and setting up swewage treatment plant very
close to residential buildings in Machados Cover and across the public
nallah.

[Goanet] Blog on Goan Arcitecture by Jose Lourenco

2007-10-27 Thread Cecil Pinto


http://www.goanarchitecture.blogspot.com/

Extract:

Goa is a little state on the west coast of India. It is popular as a 
tourist destination for its sandy beaches and whitewashed churches and 
colourful temples. In this blog we will journey through the nooks and 
corners of this 3702 sqkm state and discover its varied architecture. I am 
a civil engineer based in Goa and I never cease to be fascinated by the 
charm of my own land, truly a tiny piece of paradise.
The saga of architecture in Goa has travelled from rustic 'khomps' (huts of 
coconut thatchwork), rammed earth 'matiechim ghoram', temples built with 
rock slabs, Neo-Roman churches, Portuguese period 'solars', Art Deco 
houses, modernist buildings and back to 'green' homes! All these and other 
genres are still well preserved in the Goan countryside and cities. Rather 
than plod studiously through a linear path of architectural history, we 
will ramble randomly here and there and enjoy the fruits of serendipity.


Our first house is a little rammed earth home at Borim in Ponda taluka. 
Barely a couple of rooms with a tiny verandah, this house is striking for 
the beautiful hue and texture of its red earth walls. Rammed earth 
construction has been practised all over the world for thousands of years. 
In its simplest form, wooden planks are laid parallel on the ground and 
earth is rammed into this basic formwork. The soil is rammed by wooden 
poles or by feet. The earth sets hard and the form is then lifted to fill 
and ram the next course. Modern day RE construction uses highly precise 
plywood formwork and a cement-stabilised earth mix. Popular in Western 
Australia and other areas in Europe and the US, this modern avatar is yet 
to take off in Goa.


The outlines of the wooden forms are visible on the wall surface. The 
surface cracks are due to the clay content in the soil mix. A careful blend 
of sand, silt and clay can prevent cracks. Over the years, weathering 
produces a nice, rough texture.


More on this beautiful technique and the centuries old RE houses in Goa in 
later posts.


Cheers

José Lourenço

Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 2, Issue 972_Reprieve_For_Vishwajeet

2007-10-27 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोंया

I hope that Goans are beginning to get comfortable to stand in
solidarity with the side they believe in. I mean to attend court,
visit it, stand in the gallery, and for all this to be put out to the
masses, analyzed. and ridiculed when imperative. So whether it is a
Vishwas (In Truth) or a Petrus (who denied before the cockerel
crowed), to be present as a witnes to justice, whenever it gathers its
raw silk robes to dispense it. And most certainly stand in solidarity
in clear cut clases, where there is no ambiguity. So far I believe in
Goa, there have been no serious extortion's, and other blood flowing
acts. Buts as the stakes get high, in the "apapeancho pot borpachi
bhes ani sthiti -- natures turn darker.

Hell is overflowing now. Time to at least stand on the sidelines and
watch the procession.

Venantius

> From: Sanny de Quepem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted (excepted here)
> It may be recalled Advocate Rodrigues had filed a criminal complaint at the 
> Old
> Goa Police Station against Rane in which he alleged that the latter calling
> from his wife?s cell had threatened to kill him.
>
> It is learnt that the matter has been kept for hearing before the Sessions
> Court on November 23.
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[Goanet] Reply for Selma

2007-10-27 Thread Bhandare

Dear Selma:

I do not understand how I have stopped you and your
friends from having fun on this forum. I think this
list has the digest mode as well as individual message
mode so you can always delete my posts and concentrate
on the ones that you enjoy...

btw what do you think I should do? stop posting
altogether? agree with gadgil sabnis and others and
badmouth the RSS? circulate biased white papers about
imaginary problems faced by muslims in goa?

regards

b

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Re: [Goanet] Hindu Jagruti Samiti and Marxist Rubbish

2007-10-27 Thread Santosh Helekar

--- "Rajan P. Parrikar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>I would like to congratulate the HGS blokes for
>their efforts and wish them  all the best in this
>worthy cause.  Why, I may even cut a cheque and
donate 
>to them, and ask friends to do likewise.
>

1. What is their worthy cause?
2. What constructive action do they want the Hindus to
take?

I had asked these questions earlier. They remain
unanswered.

Cheers,

Santosh

[Goanet] Beautifully written Agnelo -- Goa Bishop in San Francisco

2007-10-27 Thread cedrico dacosta

Dear Agnelo,

Much has been going on these days and long discussions about the church, caste 
system etc in Goa.
Well initially we are given to understand the divide began at the church 
committees itself, mostly called the confrarias.
many bramin priests, or some who thought they were bramins promoted this 
bramins first policy.
Ask me, in Margao...till date such braminism prevails.
Forgive some people who write here and try to preach on Goan issues yet on the 
other hand they claim to have not spent enough time in Goa itself.

As form one gentleman (?) or is he? from canada...you mentioned in your last 
mailignore him, his opinions smack of so much lack of knowledge of the 
ground knowlede of today's Goem. Roland has on various occasions tried to mess 
up with my postings too by replying up with some, malicious lucklusture 
mails...but in such cases...ignoring that source is the best policy. End of the 
day he is united with us in the same land and the same church.

I have been following your writings and see that you are totally very much in 
touch with the ground realities that go on in Goa these days...well done!

But over the years, this caste system has seen a decline as in Goa...most of 
the people have worked hard to make a decent living for themselvesthere are 
many instances wherein the once rich and influential brahmin families have lost 
out in the race of life as their other counterparts have made enough money and 
have earned the right respect in society,

Lets pray for a WORLD WITHOUT CASTE DIVIDE!

Regards
Cedric da Costa
Dubai

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Re: [Goanet] Setting Issues straight.../to Bhandare

2007-10-27 Thread Roland Francis

But what if the young man is really a middle aged woman (shades of
Halur Rasho) and a bi-polar individual to boot.

Could that account for the diatribes?

Roland.

On 10/25/07, Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- Bhandare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > The RC church has collected billions of dollars from
> > gullible folks for the purpose of charity and
> > alleviating human suffering, and used that money to
> > buy justice None of the paedophiles have ever been
> > punished and the Pope himself instructed his
> > cardinals
> > not to collaborate with law enforcemnet efforts.
> --
>
> Bhandare loosen up! Ever since you've come on the
> forum you've had nothing else to tell us other than
> the Pope condoning pedophilia and Muslims being
> terrorists. It's quite obvious you don't know anything
> about either the Church or Muslims. The Church does
> not "condone" pedophilia or any sexual act for that
> matter. It barely tolerates heterosexual sex on the
> express condition that neither party enjoys it.
>
> Why don't you talk about other things Goan. You don't
> seem to know anything about Goa other than this
> crusade you have embarked upon. Pretty soon like
> Albert, you'll have a daily post titled "RSS and You".
>
> On Goanet, we usually bring our sense of humour along
> with us. Before you came along we had a lot of fun
> around here, be it Salcete v/s Bardez rivalry or posts
> on how to best enjoy your glass of feni.
>
> So loosen up and tell us more about you instead of
> bombarding us with these relentless diatribes. A young
> man such as yourself should be out enjoying life, not
> worrying about Musalmans and Cristaos.
>
> selma
>
>
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[Goanet] Manohar parrikar - right choice for CM

2007-10-27 Thread Bhandare

Dear Anamika:

Your sentiments are riht on target.Parrikar is the
most dynamic and honest politician we have right now
Politics is neve as easy as choosing between good and
bad, rather it is the tough choice between the lesser
of two evils...
Critics of parrikar will find 100 ways of pointing out
his faults but what is the choice we have?

maybe parrikar is not ideal but relative to the others
that we have he is the best


regards
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[Goanet] Property business in Goa

2007-10-27 Thread JoeGoaUk

Property business in Goa
 

see the file pic (Patto Plaza buildings) bigger here
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=361792130&size=l
 
Yes, it has become a business for most.
It seems some of them just trying their luck.
And to do so, it only cost them Rs.100 per ad.
Advertised on the basis: 'Take it or leave it'
Who knows?
There might be a foreign party or a Delhi party who might take it at that
price.
 
 
Let me give a few examples (ads appearing Under Classified ads in local
Dailies)
 
NT, there are upto 75 such ads per day (each ad cost only Rs.100 minimum)
 
Any one up for discount?
Try this.
Flats at Fatorda, Margao.
Book before 30th Oct and get a discount of Rs. 1,00,000.

 
Buy one double bedroom flat and get one Peugeot car free.
Try this..
Buy Double bedroom Flat 
Fully furnished and 
Get Peugeot 309 ex France

 
And this one made me to come up with this post.
 
There is a project by Landscape, at Odxel, Dona Paula
It a new project and most flats will be taken possession within next one month.
Half  the apartment are facing the good Sea view and half are not.
Facing sea view, valley etc are normally priced at higher rates by almost all
builders.
e.g. if normal rate is say Rs.45K/sqmtr the it will be up to 55K/sqmtr for a
best view.
A friend of mine purchased a 2BHK (size105) apt in this same project about
15months ago for Rs.28Lacs but is has no direct sea-view from the apt. Sea
facing apt in the same project, same size must have cost sat Rs. 35 lacs at the
time of booking.
 
An ad appeared in todays NT (Classified) saying ..
105 m2 2BHK breathtaking
Sea-View Landscape Odxel,
Dona Paula.
Contact:
 
I phoned
Can any one guess  what price he quoted?
10 lacs more  than purchase price?
Double the price?
Treble the price ?
 
Ans: None. It was more than the above.
Whopping Rs. 1 crore and 11 lacs (i.e. Rs.111,00,000 = about 139K GBP or about
283K USD or 197K EUR or 78 Kuwait Dinars)
 
Whereas, few days back, there was another ad appeared continuously about a apt
for sale from the same project, same size (except sea-View)  it came with the
price tag  too i.e.   Rs.50 Lacs
 
 
Those of you  who thinks this is a good investment or quick money making
business why not try this?

This one comes with 5 years warranty:
A project coming up in Carazalem (on old St.Inez -Dona Paula Road, close to
Miramar/Carazalem beach) by a reputed non-Goan Co. called Gera (Poona based I
think). They also have almost ready project (business/offices etc) at Patto
Plaza-near Bus Stand Panaji)
The project will be ready in about 21 months.
8 floor building with over 200 apts with all modern amenities plus this..
Jacuzzi, Party Lawn, Guest Parking, Terrace walkway, viewing deck/ seating on
8th floor etc.(common for all).
 
Interested?
Price ranges from Rs.40K to 50K/sqMtr depending upon the floor and view
2BHK area 114-126  
3BHK 148 -159  
 
Yet there is another project coming by Kamat Construction again is of 8 floor,
on the same road (one phase nearly completed) 2 bed (116 area etc) rate
Rs.37K/sqmts roughly Rs.43 lacs (At Kamat's the same rate was Rs.35K in
June/July this year )

There are few other project coming in that area closer to beach etc by Models,
Devanshree etc etc price tag around 50 lacs, project not  fully completed yet
some will take at least another 1 year but all apts sold out.

Few days back, there was land for sale around 325 area behind Holy Cross
Shrine, Bambolim the asking price was Rs.6500/sqmtrs
i.e. about Rs. 21 Lacs

Note: This is for your info only. You may do it at your own risk.
JoeGoaUk is neither an Estate agent nor a broker.

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[Goanet] British sogle crackpot

2007-10-27 Thread Bernado Colaco

Cornel to tell you the truth is that the Brits and in particular the English 
still think it is rule britannia the rest is a pile of crap. Blair could not 
handle the crackpots so he sent them to Iraq. Now Brown, what will he do send 
them to Iran? Meanwhile our Goan brother lost his life to british crackpots. 

There are lots of brits coming to Macau with the advent of the casino boom. But 
if they are involved with similar dadagiri they will be chopped to pieces by 
the chinese.

BC

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Southhampton.


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[Goanet] My interest in human anatomy

2007-10-27 Thread Cecil Pinto

My interest in human anatomy
Your heart may be in the right spot but is your Grafenberg?
By Cecil Pinto


Some seven years back my wife had to have a gall bladder operation.
The doctor explained to us what the problem was and what the surgery
involved. Being the ever curious cat I went to the Internet to do my
own research on what exactly the gall bladder does and what is bile,
pancreas and the dreaded duodenum. Ok I can hear you chuckling. Yes
like everyone else, I learnt about all these things in school, but
what the hell, I forgot!

Unlike many other parents I'm not overly critical of our school and
educational system. In the end it works and we do churn out young
people with far greater knowledge and skills than those in the West.
But I do wish it was different. We are not educated on how to think
but rather taught how to memorize. We are taught the facts and trained
to 'by-heart' them until they are vomited onto the final exam paper.
And then we flush out our brain cells of all unneeded facts and
memorize fresh ones. If we were encouraged to make use of the facts we
memorized, and draw connections and conclusions at a young age itself,
I wouldn't have had to use the Internet to locate and learn about my
wife's gall bladder.

Before I go on about anatomy let me give you an example of our Biology
teacher in school. I cannot mention his name because he is still
living and quite a decent person actually. When all my teachers are
dead I will write my school day memoirs. So for convenience let's just
call him Sir Baptist.


"…and that is why we should brush our teeth twice a day and maintain
oral hygiene, else our teeth will decay and fall off."

"But Sir, what about animals. They don't brush their teeth, or floss.
How come their teeth don't fall off?"

"They eat certain herbs and roots in the forest that has the same
effect as toothpaste, to fight decay."

"Ok Sir, what about domestic animals?"

"They too eat plants from the neighborhood which have the same effect."

"But Sir, I have my pet dog Bonzo who is chained indoors all day."

"But surely you let him loose once in a way?"

"I take him on a leash for a walk twice a day Sir."

"That's when he eats the herbs! Anyone else got questions?"

"But Sir, I just take him around the garden. There are no herbs Sir,
just normal plants and weeds. And he doesn't eat any of them, just
sniffs around"

"Any other questions? Anyone?"

"But Sir you have not explained why Bonzo's teeth don't fall out!"

"Ok. How old is your Bonzo?"

"Four years old Sir"

"Well just you wait two more years and his teeth will fall out. Now
any other questions?"


As I said earlier I hold no ill will against my teachers, but
sometimes I wonder. If any of us did ok in life it was not because of
them but despite them. Of course there are some teachers I have
encountered who were inspiring and made us think and were meant to be
great teachers. They are beyond criticism. But most of the teachers we
had were misfits from some stream or the other who wound up as
teachers because they could not get a job in a nationalized bank.
Remember this was the time before call centres, travel agents,
computer instructors, DJs, ayurvedic masseurs, animal activists, real
estate agents, advertising reps, web page designers, private security
guards, etc - and so career options for the mediocre were pretty
limited.

So yes, we were taught in school about the duodenum, esophagus,
pituitary, thyroid, adrenal glands, spleen, lymphs and something
called a trachea. But beyond passing end of school year examinations
most of us, except those who were planning to take up medicine, didn't
bother to remember where these things were and what exactly they did.

See as you step into young adulthood there are much more important
things that take priority in bar arguments. Anatomy at that time was
more a discussion of mammary glands and female posteriors rather than
any internal organs like the vas deferens. What a vast difference from
then to now It's only when middle age looms that suddenly these terms
for internal organs suddenly become important and he who knows
dominates the bar room conversation.

Go to a place where young people congregate. A shop selling mobile
phones is as good as a cybercafe or a college canteen. Mention the
phrase, "Grey's Anatomy" and you will find they all know about the
award winning American primetime television medical drama and can name
the stars and the characters. Few will know about Dr. Henry Gray and
his pathbreaking "Gray's Anatomy" that introduced million of us to
superior, common and inferior arteries as well as ascending and
descending colons long before the Internet brought these to our
computer screen.

But in a way the new generation can be far more knowledgeable than
ours because of the fantastic research tools at their disposal. Pity
isn't it that they are more interested in which service provider gives
more free SMS and where they can download readymade class projects for
submissi

Re: [Goanet] Paan, Piss, & Panji

2007-10-27 Thread Radhakrishnan Nair

<>

Are they supposed to carry portable lavatories, Mr Parrikar?

Btw, have you seen Mr Vidyadhar Gadgil's side-splitting post on this
thread? I laughed so hard over it that my stomach still hurts! :-)

-- RKN

Re: [Goanet] Medical report confirms sexual assault on boy

2007-10-27 Thread Gabe Menezes

On 25/10/2007, Sanny de Quepem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Medical
> report confirms sexual assault on boy
.
> Asked whether it can be established that the victim boy was
> assaulted by the lady tuition teacher, the Colva police inspector said that
> only when the teacher is arrested and subjected for medical examination the
> police be able to establish the truth.
..
> Sanny de Quepem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

QUESTION: What are they going to check the lady teacher for ? Skin
under her finger nails, fluids that she might give ? If so this DNA
testing thing, is far more advanced in India than in England where DNA
was first discovered. Perhaps the Indian Government should offer help
to the Portuguese Police, who are scratching their heads, trying to
solve the Madeline McCann Case.

-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London, England

[Goanet] Annual Goanetters Meet - 2007

2007-10-27 Thread Cecil Pinto


GoaNet Admin wrote:
Annual Goanetters Meet - 2007
Date: December 27, 2007
Time: 4:30pm
Venue: Foodland Restaurant & Bar
Miramar Residency
Panaji - Goa
Phone: +91 (832) 3292803, 2462326
For those not familiar with the location, the Foodland Restaurant is located
within the premises of the Miramar Residency, on the North side (right hand
side) of Dayanand Bandodkar Marg when headed towards Miramar from Panaji. It
is just before the Miramar traffic circle near Clube Gaspar Dias.


Cecil:
I suggest that maybe Frederick (or someone representing the GoaNet Admin 
Team) meet the Foodland management in advance and sort of put together some 
tables and chairs aside for the GoaNetters. Last time at the same venue we 
all formed a circle of chairs in the adjoining lawn but soon had to shift 
to the restaurant proper because they had to clear the lawn for some party.


Also it would help if the security guard at the entrance was informed about 
the meeting so he could direct enquiries. Last time the boorish brothers 
from Australia complained that they had difficulty finding the place as 
there was no banner put up to welcome them. Some people?




GoaNet Admin:
All Goanetters are welcome to attend. Suggested items for the agenda
(subject to change):
* Feedback and suggestions regarding Goanet.
* What you like, and what you don't, on Goanet.
* Suggestions to take the Goanet project forward.
* A raising of hands on initiatives you could volunteer on (for Goanet).
* Brainstorming on how Goanet could more actively interact with the overall
community of residents in Goa and also its diaspora.
Please make further suggestions whether you plan to attend or not.


Cecil:
All that is fine but there has to be one person, maybe Fred again, who 
takes charge of the meeting and sort of moderates. Last time the same 
boorish and boring Australian brothers almost hijacked the meeting with 
their aggressive attitudes and pre-historic opinions. One of them was not 
even a GoaNetter and was extremely critical of GoaNet. Why exactly he 
attended the meeting is beyond me. Fortunately there were sober, practical 
and knowledgeable people like Kevin, Vivian, Ariosto and Miguel to steer 
the meeting away from the petty fight the Australian duo wanted to turn it 
into. It also helped that Herman and Viviana were there directly 
representing GoaNet Admin.


I quite understanding wanting to bring along an interested non-GoaNetter. 
It could be a spouse or a relative or friend or someone supportive of the 
cause. But I can't understand the logic of bringing along someone who is 
vehemently anti-GoaNet. We have enough troublemakers among ourselves and 
don't need self declared 'outsiders' (outside of GoaNet) to rake trouble. 
Especially not I-have-my-agenda-to-shove-down-your-throat uncouth boors 
from Down Under.


--

GoaNet Admin:
We each buy our own drinks and/or food and go around introducing ourselves
to the group. In the past we have enjoyed meeting Goanetters - putting faces
to names, some of whom have been our cyber adversarial debaters and members
of Goanet Admin/Moderators/Volunteers.


Cecil:
In fact that's the main reason I have been attending these meetings 
recently - putting faces to names. Here, off the top of my mind, are some 
people I met first time face to face at a GoaNet annual meeting. Four years 
back I met Edward Verdes who I had corresponded with extensively earlier. 
Three years back I met the elusive VM, the vibrant Melinda, and Vincent 
from Bangalore. Two years back I met Anibel, my fellow Aldonkar, and also 
the fantastic writer Veena Patwardhan. Last year I met Kevin Saldanha. So 
many wonderful people. It's always a pleasure meeting in real life someone 
you have only known as a name and e-mail address.


Since the GoaNet Admin Team cannot set up rules for the meeting I think we 
should take it upon ourselves to make sure we bring along people who know 
of GoaNet and want to be 'insiders' instead of critical 'outsiders' looking 
in - like the crude Australian Goan siblings last year.


Cheers!

Cecil

Re: [Goanet] Medical report confirms sexual assault. Really?

2007-10-27 Thread Carvalho

--- Sanny de Quepem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Asked whether it can be established that the victim
> boy was
> assaulted by the lady tuition teacher, the Colva
> police inspector said that
> only when the teacher is arrested and subjected for
> medical examination the
> police be able to establish the truth.
> 
--
I'm so disheartened by this story. On the one hand if
the woman in question did molest this child then she
has to pay the full penalty under the law.

On the other hand, it seems to have brought to the
fore all the misogynistic assumptions made by our
society.

In our Goan society, where getting married and having
children is the norm, women who fail to fulfill this
role designated for them are reviled. They are the but
of all jokes, with special pejorative terms like
"beatul" and "azudre" coined for them. I attended a
tiatre about two years ago which was replete with such
abuses hurled at one of the "unmarried" characters in
the play, and the crowd churlishly cheered on in
agreement. 

Much has been made of the fact that this woman is a 40
year old spinster. Pedophilia is not a disease born
out of deprivation but a sickness of the mind, and
hence a 40 year old married woman with 10 children
could be just as susceptible to it as a unmarried 40
year old.

Secondly, why is the assumption made that the spinster
is a virgin. Could she not be engaged in a healthy
sexual relationship with a man outside of marriage?
How will an "examination of her body" prove "assault"
on the child? Is this the sort of evidence we are
depending on to prove our cases in Goa these days? If
so, I am afraid very afraid for our society.

Selma

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Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 2, Issue 972_Ariosto

Ariosto,
I realized that the gale that was you reached Wadala in the 70s and
not in the early 80s. Do excuse my still being in youthful stupor.

venantius

> In the early 80s, Ariosto struck Our Lady of Dolours Wadala, Mumbai as
> a force 10 gale. He began the Rua Youth Centre. Although, I was bit
> young, relatively simple, lived east of the tracks, and a bit
> gleefully retarded : ) -- I learned a lot from him. But most people
> who were helpful in my development, do not know that they helped me!
> Its just a different way of assimilating through observation. He is a
> collective incarnation of those kids that Don Bosco worked with in
> Turin. Btw, I met Cecilia at the club when she was fourteen -- a ripe
> age in at least one state in the US. As far as we are concerned we are
> carrying the RYC in our mind. Anyway Ariosto, way to go baby. Thrive.
> Hey Vivian, we shall yet meet some day.

Re: [Goanet] Death by popot

2007-10-27 Thread Carvalho

--- Venantius Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What a popot (puns intended)! A book on
> Christianity! As for me a
> petit mort on Goanet -- death by parrot or prick.
> Now I will have to
> read what homegrown genius has to say about atheism
> through his lens
> of Christianity 
--

Come on Venatius, how much could the book cost? :-)
About $20 (marked down to $12 by Christmas) at B&N.
Buy it already, read it and tell me how it is? :-) I
have to admit though Dinesh D'souza is a bore when he
appears for the occasional "input" on television. A
sort of petit mort by prick er pen-pricks that is. I
wonder if he is of Goan origin. 

selma

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Re: [Goanet] Sexual abuse

2007-10-27 Thread Kevin Saldanha

Dear John and others who have chimed in on this topic,

Let us not assume that we know all the answers to deviant behaviours
in humans and not cast stones until we do.  Without getting into the
brutality of Sharia law, let us hope that the judicial system in
India, which is a legacy from the British based on christian virtues
is more accomodating.

Recent developments in science are revealing some surprising clues to
those who google.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071022120203.htm

Let us hope that the perpertrators of this and other crimes may get
the help they need rather than the wrath of the holier among us.

Kevin Saldanha
Mississauga, ON.

Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:22:29 +0100 (BST)
From: JOHN MONTEIRO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Sexual abuse

We do not have any feelings for any child molester, if you have been
following the thread of this discussion you will have noted many posts
regarding this.
 John Monteiro
 Berkshire, England
 -
 We seem more concerned for the innocent man than the innocent girl!
It appears that he will reap better than what he sought to sow for the girl!
Louise
--
{Heaven forbid if the girl had mistakenly identified an innocent man.
Heaven forbid if such an innocent man were to be beaten to death.
Heaven forbid if such an innocent man were my father, brother or
husband. We reap what we sow in a society.}


-- 
Veritas Omnia Vincit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4mWiqkGy-Y

Re: [Goanet] [goanet]Vol 2, Issue 958_Learn Konkani, the Romi Way.

Dear Miguel,
I am not sure what the delineation of interest is towards Romi in the
Saraswat community. Are the educators, scientists, doctors, and those
of the highly logical spectrum, comfortable with giving it
consideration, or do they not care a whit? Are the ones who got their
jobs on account of their Nagari credentials still harboring
antipathies towards Romi? Is there anyone of any significance who is
comfortable with having Romi accorded any respect. Or is it kaam zalem
voiz melo syndrome? Is there no one? I know it sounds like I am asking
this question in a wind tunnel. But is there an abject paucity of
witnesses here?

As a cohesive social group. the Saraswats through the centuries  have
striven towards attaining and obtaining the best, considering their
pointed acumen  and perseverance in all matters concerning
opportunity, business and scholarship. However, quite often those who
are successful and of acute intelligence, tend to leave their flanks
uncovered; perhaps out of sheer confidence or an inability to imagine
they could be surprised. In India, this is particularly striking among
those who have taken their measures of modernity and its possibilities
to their heads; seeing that it suits them rather well. So for the
present, the script issue does not bother the movers and shakers,
whereas the others who are not part of the elite among the same, are
simply minding their business. As high achievers, they have divined,
that the Antruzian folks have little on them beautiful people. Recent
modernity in a nutshell, with a slice of good old feudalism. This is a
prerogative of those who shape the corridors of feudal rectitude,
turning them into labyrinths of power politics. Many Christians too
are only happy to be accepted and garlanded as lost wayward siblings
-- who have not culturally strayed too far; other than by eating of
the abominable choris pau. And occasionally prattling the ta, tha, ti,
thi, tu, thu, the, thai, tho, tau/thau, etc., while quizzically
contemplating when to resort to the long or short u/uu. For those of
us who know the Nagari in its specificifies, the Romi still
contributes to making the Konkani firmament more complete.

As a group they have great faculties for observation, and a phenomenal
talent for collective dialectics. But anticipating change is a whole
different matter. It is the weakest thinkers (usually the politicians)
in terms of ideas, among any community who take the strongest, to the
pastures that precipitately slope over linguistic cliffs. At some
point in the bewitchment the view get clearer as one is in free fall.
I do hope that behind the scenes the good ones among our brethern will
broach this topic with the fearless leaders. If for no other reason
than for resaons of self love as opposed to self hatred, to increase
financial potential and as smart politics. Goa neds smart investments
andfor those with capital Romi affords a host of possibilities.***

You also raised two pertinent thoughts -- the first one on knowing!
Know thyself -- but what can be worse than someone else knowing your
mind. That is pure nakedness of being. I lived in the midst of a Hindu
family, for about five years. This was but one strand in a critical
part of in my development, with the religion, social and cultural
mores of my ancestors.  Basically, I learnt a lot about people and the
dynamics of protecting ones interests. Secondly, people have to
understand that if an independent MLA could be so influential in 1987,
it also means that other independent MLAs or those with some spine
could up the ante. But I presume, its easier to stay as milquetoasts,
or simply as nankatais.

*** I came across this historical piece by Teotonio R. de Souza. It
contains the kind of information that all should become familiar with.
I mean all Goans -- Hindus, Christians. Muslims, Sikhs, and martians
when they land in Goa. It is related to entrepreneurship, and has much
relevance to us today. This piece is something that Hindus should see
as extolling their positives -- in addition to their ability to thrive
in any circumstance, and for Christians to consider future
possibilities in growth by dropping their laissez-faire attitude. And
pass the message on so all may share in what Goa can still be for all
of us, and not just for the smooth skinned, beautiful people.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1503/hindus_goa.htm

venantius

Miguel Braganza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Their students know the mind of the Saraswat Hindu better. This will
> be their undoing.
>
> He who sows the wind ...will reap a whirlwind. Can you hear it coming?
> It will not matter to Adv. Uday Bhembre: he will have gone to seed by
> the time the storm takes its toll.

Re: [Goanet] [GS-Management] Goa Sudharop: Fires in Southern California - IV

2007-10-27 Thread ibonio dsouza

George, Acaria and all, great spiritof service in helping the victims of the 
wild fire in the state. GS can be proud of this timely response. My special 
appreciation of your so patriotic and humanitarian guesture. Let's keep GS 
flag flying high always. Thanks and regards. Ibonio.




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Dear all,

There is no firm count of Goan families in the San Diego area, but 
approximately 50 families are
estimated to live in the area. All have been directly or indirectly 
impacted by the fires.
Fortunately, reports coming in suggest they have found temporary housing, 
including assistance
from city, county, state, federal agencies, and local non-profits. 
Long-term the evacuees will
face hardship, see 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071027/ap_on_re_us/california_wildfires


People in Southern California have rallied together and helped. The Goan 
community in Los Angeles,
Orange County, San Diego are to be admired for reaching out and providing 
help and accomodation.
Others from outside the area have also offered to help, including 
financially.


If you are aware of Goan families in need of assistance, please contact 
Acaria Almeida at

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thank you for your support.

Goa Sudharop
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Re: [Goanet] MANOHAR PARRIKAR

2007-10-27 Thread Floriano - Goa Suraj Party

Well, Well, Well,
Anamika's post  makes very interesting reading.

First of, let me say that you are not a non-entity, atleast any more.
Because you have melted (should I say?)  some colder than ice, political ice
in Goa.

And cheers for doing the penance of standing in a queu to vote for Manohar
Parrikar's BJP. And I do hope that you are presently the most busy-bee
canvassing among family and friends to vote for Wilfred Mesquita who has
rebounded like a ricocheting bullet into the BJP fold from the diametrically
opposite SGF which he helped to form and work for. If,  by your standards,
this is a political virtue, than I must stop attacking  this key-board and
go home to attend to some worthwhile matters.

Like you, I too had  thought 'the world' about Manohar Parrikar, he being
known to me, being a semi-Mapxem-kar et al.
And I had thought that Goa was stuck in his hands forever, when he did the
back-stabbing trick on Sardinha, which BTW Sardinha deserved. But then we
Goans got to see Manohar's true colours. By all means, he is a good
administrator or he seems to give that impression. But after seeing his type
of administration, it was apparent that he needed to go back to wrming
school benches again. He is the most conceited administrator  I have come
across, who wants to do things his own way and by himself. He cannot govern
through  decentralised governance. Example: During IFFI 2004, it is said
that Manohar Parrikar used to take rounds to supervise the works even at 2
in the mornings. A good administrator does not do that. A good administrator
comes to and leaves his office on time. All he does is to see that the
orders are followed by all and sundry. Does the administrator removes a
wrongly parked motor bike and flings it to damage it, like he did at the
Kala Academy pre IFFI-2004???

Non Corrupt you say?? Look at the one-time settlements of EDC and who the
beneficiaries are. Look at the 24 crores of renovation expenses of Kala
Academy. Look at the grossly inflated cost of the IFFI-2004. Look at the
grossly inflated cost of the Curjuem bridge. Look at the grossly inflated
cost of INOX.  Maybe he hasn't taken the money himself. But he looted Goans
through his contractors and consultants for kick-backs for his party.

Is he really a foe of Babush Monserrate and Miccky Pacheco as he wants us to
believe??

Manohar Parrikar, in my qualified view, has blown what was working for him.
Goa needed a change. He was the pioneer who could being about that change. I
do agree with you that he is different than  all other politicos put
together. But when one is given a chance, or should I say when one grabs a
chance to do something different, how come he blows it away?

Let me tell you one more thing about Manohar. He is so obsessed with his own
capabilities, that he is totally blinded when it comes to recognising the
capabilities of others, especially the subordinates.When Babush resigned and
went to the Congress, Manohar should have taken it in his stride and sit
back to watch the show. The People of Goa would have brought him back wioth
renewed strenght. But No! He didn't have the patience. He moved heaven and
earth, even resorted to forgery (Filipe Neri's case), the Mandarin Hotel
mess-up, The Governor's blockade et al. This has discreditted him more than
anything else.

Using gullible catholics like Wilfred Mesquita is his agenda. There is not a
single  more bigotted  and perverted RSS  minded Goan in Goa than Manohar
Parrikar. He is the ultimate poison which he wants to project as honey.
Gullible you!

We do not need these super  IIT'ans with inflated egos to run ther simple
administration of a spec of a state which is Goa. We need sensible Goans who
can think right and act tough when it is required. Why I say this is because
Manohar went into the specifics of getting a bureaucrat red-handed caught
whilst taking bribe. And what he did was to kick him upstairs with a
promotion instead of giving him the sack.

Is this Manohar Parrikar that you want to fall in love with that makes you
stand in an endless queue with a baby hanging in your arms to vote for ???

I am also in politics but I hate to say that what Manohar did with the GDF
(Goa Democratic Front) was a sin. This has eliminated him from the race to
be Goa's CM once again. And if he does become that, Goa and Goans will be
most unfortunate even if that period is stunted.

floriano
goasuraj

- Original Message -
From: anamika naik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:14 PM
Subject: [Goanet] MANOHAR PARRIKAR


> Dear friends,
> I am a non-entity based in a small south Goa village of Salcete,a
housewife
> with a very supporting husband who is involved in a relatively small scale
> marketing business.We are very happy with what the good God has given us
in
> terms of our middle class lifestyle and our 2 young kids.
> It is no business of mine to interfere with the highly intellectual
> discussions on your forum

Re: [Goanet] Setting Issues straight...On Muslims, Hindus and christians

2007-10-27 Thread Bosco D'Mello

On Wed Oct 24 13:50:46 PDT 2007 Bhandare wrote:

Bhandare.I have to repeat again..your commentary on Goanet is all
over the map. On any given day, you will be left, right, up, down,
upside-down, inside-out..there is no consistency in what you write. Some
examples:

The RC church has collected billions of dollars from
gullible folks for the purpose of charity and
alleviating human suffering, and used that money to
buy justice

RESPONSE: This thread is re the HJS exhibition in Goa. What relevance does
the exhibition have with the RC church?? It appears you are raising the
issue of the RC church into this debate because you are responding to an
individual with a Catholic name - Jason Keith Fernandes!
If the respondents have Hindu sounding names you call them communists,
pseudo-secularists and other odd names.

None of the paedophiles have ever been punished

RESPONSE: None?? To score brownie points are you going to invent facts?
Read a story of a few hours ago:
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-bc-ny--priest-abuse1025oct25,0,3611627.story

Surely you know how to Google!!

As regards freedom of speech I consider it absolute.
everyone has a right to say freely what one wants,
and you by the same token have a right to protest.

RESPONSE: Really? So when Gadgil, Sabnis, FN, Miguel and others protested
the exhibition why did you have to demonize the individuals as above?

I have merely tried to expose the hypocrisy and the
arrogant self righteous attitude of a few vocal
posters on Goanet who selectively target the Hindutva
organizations.

RESPONSE: Several months ago I labelled your writings as self-righteous. Now
you want to turn around and term others as self-righteous.

If you have carefully read my posts on Goanet, I have
never defended all that the HJS or the RSS does.

RESPONSE: As I said at the start.your commentary is all over the map.
You want to support the HJS but you are afraid of being seen as a supporter
of the HJS. Are you ashamed to explicitly state you support the HJS??

For several months almost every message from Mario Goveia was about the US
war in Iraq. Irrespective what the original thread was about, he would draw
inferences and relationships to the war. There was nothing else he could
write about.

Similarly, we now have Albert who can only write about "God" with ocassional
criticism of the Catholic Church in Goa. There is nothing else he can write
about.

Both self-righteous individuals!!

Now, are you going to be objective in what you write or continue with the
same shenahi - when you respond to a poster (with a Catholic name) on any
issue, you will bring up paedophilia in the Catholic Churchand when you
respond to a poster (with a Hindu name) on any issue, you will shout
communist, pseudo-secular, etc... while at the same time claiming that
"everyone has a right to say freely what one wants".

Whats it gonna be?

- Bosco

[Goanet] The real face of the Sangh Parivar

2007-10-27 Thread Vidyadhar Gadgil

Don't know how many of you saw Headlines Today and Aaj Tak last
night for the chilling expose on the reality of the Sangh Parivar
in Gujarat. Check out Tehelka.com for details. The videos are all
on youtube. To start with you can see
http://communalism.blogspot.com/2007/10/gujarat-2002-truth.html,
and
http://communalism.blogspot.com/2007/10/i-got-call-saying-whats-this-all-of.html

-- 
Question everything -- Karl Marx

[Goanet] Goa news for October 27, 2007

2007-10-27 Thread Goanet News Service

Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org
Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories.

*** ˜Man United programme will enhance football culture in
Goa - Navhind Times
[Oct 24, 2007]  "The AIFF is most appreciative of the support
shown by the Goa government and by Bharti Airtel as both parties
share our vision for the future and our ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/9-0&fd=R&url=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=102520&cid=1122610316&ei=engiR5LdLKGeqwPl5ZChAw

*** Goa govt signs MoU with DFF for IFFI-07 - Hindu
[8 hours ago]  New Delhi (PTI): The Goa government has signed
an MoU with the Directorate of Film Festival (DFF), authorising
it to decide on all matters related to the ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/0-0&fd=R&url=http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/009200710262066.htm&cid=1122658708&ei=engiR5LdLKGeqwPl5ZChAw

*** Goa boards move on Class XI exam is illegal: principals
body - Navhind Times
[19 hours ago]  Panaji, Oct 25 The Higher Secondary Principals
Forum, Goa, today stated that the meeting convened by the
secretary of the Goa Board of Secondary and Higher ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/4-0&fd=R&url=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=10266&cid=1122637309&ei=engiR5LdLKGeqwPl5ZChAw

*** Govt to scan ICAO report on viability of airports in Goa -
Economic Times
[Oct 23, 2007]  24 Oct, 2007, 1145 hrs IST, PTI PANAJI: The Goa
government will examine the feasibility of two airports in the
coastal state, keeping in view the ICAO ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/8-0&fd=R&url=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Airlines__Aviation/Govt_to_scan_ICAO_report_on_viability_of_airports_in_Goa/articleshow/248.cms&cid=1122580604&ei=engiR5LdLKGeqwPl5ZChAw

*** Goa\'s complete online news edition - Friday, October 26,
2007 - Herald Publications
[19 hours ago]  Our Lensman Rozario Estibeiro captures a
dazzling blue sky and an unusually bright moon over the Mandovi
Bridge,on Thursday.According to astronomers the ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/7-0&fd=R&url=http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=3379&cid=1&cid=0&ei=engiR5LdLKGeqwPl5ZChAw

*** Goa Rajya Sahakari Sangh chairman voted out of office -
Navhind Times
[19 hours ago]  Panaji, Oct 25 The chairman of the Goa Rajya
Sahakari Sangh Maryadit, Mr Pramod Raikar was today voted out of
office through a no-confidence motion by 9 ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/6-0&fd=R&url=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=10267&cid=0&ei=engiR5LdLKGeqwPl5ZChAw

*** Goa bag 2 silver, 3 bronze in school aquatics - Navhind
Times
[18 hours ago]  Panaji: Goa bagged two silver, three bronze at
national schools swimming championship inSurat, today. Talasha
Prabhu claimed a bronze in 50m backstroke for ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/5-0&fd=R&url=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=102614&cid=0&ei=engiR5LdLKGeqwPl5ZChAw

*** Travel Review: Why I Love Goa - Desicritics.org
[17 hours ago]  There are basically three reasons that Goa
attracts me becauseof which I find myself heading for the place
every now and then. The sea is the first reason. ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/3-0&fd=R&url=http://desicritics.org/2007/10/26/015647.php&cid=0&ei=engiR5LdLKGeqwPl5ZChAw

*** No SEZ if locals dont want it: Nath - Economic Times
[3 hours ago]  Mr Nath's statement comes in the wake of
developments in Goa that saw locals stalling work of the
upcoming pharma SEZ, being developed by Cipla's sister ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/2-0&fd=R&url=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/Economy/Infrastructure/No_SEZ_if_locals_dont_want_it_Nath/articleshow/2493832.cms&cid=0&ei=engiR5LdLKGeqwPl5ZChAw

*** SEZ after Goa govt conducts impact assessment: Kamal Nath -
Outlook (subscription)
[9 hours ago]  Goa government will conduct impact assessment
study before allowing more Special Economic Zones (SEZs) in the
state, Union Commerceand Industry Minister ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/1-0&fd=R&url=http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=514061&cid=1122599074&ei=engiR5LdLKGeqwPl5ZChAw


Compiled by Goanet News Service
http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php

[Goanet] Organizing Committee For IFFI-07 Reviews Preparedness For The Event

2007-10-27 Thread Ethel Dacosta


Organizing Committee For IFFI-07 Reviews Preparedness For The Event

* Delegate Registration Completely Online. 700 additional seats being 
created.


PIB, New Delhi, Oct 25: The first meeting of the Organizing Committee for 
IFFI-2007 was held today under the Chairmanship of Shri P. R. Dasmunsi, 
Union Minister of Information & Broadcasting and Parliamentary Affairs.  The 
meeting deliberated on the various issues related to IFFI-2007 and reviewed 
the level of preparedness for Event.  In his remarks, Shri Dasmunsi said 
that over the years the Festival has gone from strength to strength and our 
endeavour has been to make it still better.  He lauded the role and 
suggestions of film industry in raising the standard of the Festival over 
time.


The Organizing Committee took the under noted major decisions:

The opening and closing functions will be simple and elegant in keeping with 
the practice in most of the prestigious international film festivals.  The 
focus will be on the opening film and closing films. There will be no 
entertainment programme at these functions. The awards ceremony will be held 
at the closing function. This would be followed by the screening of the 
closing film.


Two new theatres with a seating capacity of 300 seats are being built in the 
Festival Complex.  Two public theatres are being upgraded and provided with 
the latest projection facilities thereby making another 400 seats available 
for the festival.


The total number of delegates that may be registered has been fixed in 
proportion to the availability of theatre seats.  The Government of Goa has 
been requested to screen the applications of local delegates and forward 
them to DFF for final approval.


The registration system for all delegates has been made completely on-line. 
Delegate cards will be prepared well in advance so that there are no long 
queues at the registration counter.


For the first time a ticketing system has been introduced whereby every 
delegate will have to book in advance for any films that he/she would like 
to see.  A maximum of 3 tickets for every delegate and 5 for every media 
person will be issued. The delegate registration fee for late registration 
has been considerably enhanced to Rs. 1000/-.  Students, will however, be 
given a concession of 50%.


The Indian Panorama will have 21 features and 15 non-feature films selected 
by a peer Jury headed by Shri K.S. Sethumadhavan, and Shri Arun Khopkar 
respectively.  Indian Retrospectives will showcase Retrospective on the 
films of Tapan Sinha and Vijay Anand.  Homages section will focus on 
Cinematographer K.K. Mahajan, Actress Vanamala Devi and Music Director O.P. 
Nayyar.


Among the highlights of foreign section are, 14 feature films from Asia, 
Africa and Latin America in the Competition Section. Cinema of the World 
will have About 60 award winning feature films from 40 countries. Master 
Classes, Technical Retrospective. Foreign Retrospectives and Country Focus 
will be the other features of IFFI-07. For the first time, two programmers 
from the Goa Govt. will be curating for IFFI with two separate sections 
called - `India 60' which will celebrate India's 60th anniversary with three 
feature films and two documentary films and a retrospective package on 
Volker Schlondorff the eminent German film maker. The Film Market will be 
organized by NFDC   with the participation of CII and FICCI. The NFDC is 
organizing a buyer's lounge and co production market.  FICCI is organizing a 
seminar and master class on animation and visual effects. CII will organize 
'The Big Picture' Conference.


A new initiative is being undertaken by NFDC in partnership with DFF where 
international consultants and experts will advise and work with selected 
film makers to develop scripts of international quality.


The meeting was attended, among others, by the Goa Minister for Water 
Resources and Forests, Mr. Philipe N. Rodrigues, Addl. Secretary, Ministry 
of I&B; Chief Secretary, Goa and Director, DFF.

[Goanet] Goans urged to speak in Konkani, support writers



Goans urged to speak in Konkani, support writers


HERALD CORRESPONDENT



PORVORIM, OCT 26  Former principal of St Xaviers College
Fr Antimo Gomes has appealed to Goans to speak in Konkani and to support
Konkani writers by purchasing their books.

He was addressing a function organized by the Thomas Stephens Konkani Kendr to
award the Antonio Pereira Konknni Purosker to B E Mendes.

Konknni was introduced in the Primary school after Liberation, but it did not
receive the required support from the government during the initial years.
Goans should not feel ashamed to speak their mother tongue Konkani and should
encourage the Konkani writers by purchasing their books, remarked Fr Gomes.

Antonio Pereira Konknni Purosker, which consists of a cheque for Rs 25,000, a
memento and a shawl, was awarded to Mendes in recognition of the services
rendered by him in the field of Konkani literature.

In his speech, Mendes said he has so far written around 20 books in Konknni and
he used to visit Goan houses in Bombay
from Colaba to Borivali to sell Konkani books.

Earlier in his welcome address, Fr Pratap Naik informed that the Antonio
Pereira Konknni Puroskar is presented each year to Konkani writers, musicians,
etc, who have been residing in Goa for the
last 15 years and have done appreciable work during their lifetime. 

Fr Naik, however, lamented that the poor attendance at the function only
indicated that Konkani language did not get the respect it deserved from the
people in the State.

On the occasion, Mendes released the 13th Research journal published by Thomas
Stephens Kendra.


 


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Re: [Goanet] Macacas !

2007-10-27 Thread Mervyn Lobo

Francis Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

"Macaca" has been used derogatorily since time 
immemorial against coloureds (by the fair-skinned), 
deriding them as 'monkeys'! It's origin is from the 
Portuguese 'macaco' (monkey), and for example, 
was a pretty common insult to the locals during the 
Portuguese occupation of Goa. Even more hilarious, 
non-Portuguese speaking local kids took it to be a 
hyphenated insult ("ma !), and died laughing! 
-
 

FR,
You are talking about another time and another place.

In E. Africa, Kaka is elder brother. Makaka's are several elder brothers?
 
I must insist that "macaca" as used by US politicians is a term for those who 
can be thrown into jail by the US without being charged. Unless, of course, 
someone here has another name for such people.
 
Mervyn3.0


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[Goanet] Overnight Trek to Dudhsagar Falls on Sunday

2007-10-27 Thread Clinton Vaz


Hello Goanetters,

Last week's trek did not materialize as there was a derailment of a 
train at the Dudhsagar Sector, so we look forward to trekking this 
weekend. We have about 9 participants so far, and I'm soon going to 
close participation as i don't want a huge group as the personal touch 
is lost otherwise.


Tomorrow, I'll be organizing an overnight trek to Dudhsagar Falls on the 
border of Goa and Karnataka. We leave tomorrow (sunday) afternoon around 
1pm from Margao, South Goa to Collem by train and then will be hiking 
3.5 hrs to the falls. We will camp at the foot of the falls, getting 
back only the next (monday) afternoon back to Margao.


Those interested should email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call me on 
+919890936828 to confirm participation and get the travel tips & packing 
list for this trek latest by 9am, Sunday morning. There is a 
participation fee of 250 which includes transport + entrance to the 
Bhagwan Mahaveer Wildlife Sanctuary.


While WildGoa takes all precautions to avoid accidents and incidents (we 
have a clean track record!), everybody participates at their own risk.


Have a nice day,

Clinton..

[Goanet] ALEXYZ Daily Cartoon (27OCT07)

2007-10-27 Thread alexyz fernandes


Two members of the electorate in conversation :

"We've decided to Boycott the elections..."

"...Once elected they Boycott us...Their promises"


To enjoy the visual cartoon please visit:   www.alexyztoons.com
Site sponsored by  www.goasudharop.org

[Goanet] The Tehelka expose

2007-10-27 Thread Vidyadhar Gadgil

Today's media has the usual hilarious statements by the Sangh
Parivar chappies on the Gujarat expose (see
http://www.tehelka.com/story_main35.asp?filename=Ne031107gujrat_sec.asp,
if you haven't already) -- see, for example, Ravi Shankar Prasad's
rubbish. The blog below does a good analysis of the perspective
within which we now view news, and how the horrific details that
have been revealed, and what they say about us a society, can get
lost amidst all this.

As Tarun Tejpal says in his editorial: "Read. And be afraid."

Tehelka issues should be available on the stands today. If they
are sold out (bought up by those who do not wish this to get any
publicity), place orders with your newsagents. And, if you think
this is paranoid, Aaj Tak, IBN-7/CNN-IBN and NDTV have been asked
to switch off by government forcibly in Gujarat since 25.10.07
evening from 7:30 pm. There is a order
issued from District Magistrate and District
Election Officer, Ahmedabad Mr Dhananjay Dwivedi
dated 26.10.07, it states that: From 7:30 onwards
dated 25.10.07, there are programmes like
"Tehelka-Aaj Tak Khulasa", "Operation kalank" and
"Gujarat ka sach" being telecast on Aaj Tak and
IBN7 depicting visuals and statements of people
pertaining to 2002 communal riots. As per clause
5 of the cable tv network regulation, 1995, no
entity can broadcast or rebroadcast any
programme, which is not as per programming code.


--

http://www.prempanicker.com/index.php?/site/the_gujarat_tehelka/

Friday, October 26, 2007
The Gujarat tehelka

Moments after 7 pm yesterday, we knew the Gujarat riots formed the
subject
matter of the latest *Tehelka*
expose.
And, without sitting through the television coverage on Aaj Tak and
Headlines Today, you knew broadly what the reaction was going to
be. [To
segue for a moment into a side issue, I had every intention of sitting
through the television coverage—but inside of the first half hour,
I gave
up; there is something faintly obscene about a 'special report' on an
important issue being broken down into four minute chunks of
repetitive
sound bytes, sandwiched between 10 minute spells—I timed it—of
advertisements.]

Scanning blogs, comments on message boards (always a traumatic
experience;
on an issue of this importance, even more so) and even messages on
this
forum, I am not disappointed: the reaction is exactly on the lines
I had
anticipated. These are, broadly, the points being made:

1. Why now, just before the Gujarat elections? This proves the
expose is the
handiwork of the Congress. 2. Why this riot? Why not other,
earlier riots
that have taken place during various Congress governments? This
proves the
media is partisan. 3. Why is inordinate fuss kicked up whenever an
incident
involves Hindus, while no one says anything when the victims are
Hindus?
This proves the media is pseudo-secular (or, *gag*, p-sec). 4. Whyfor?
Outside of selling many copies of Tehelka (and providing an
advertising
windfall for two television channels), what good will it do to
rake over the
past? 5. How can you take this seriously? The media spins the news
depending
on its political affiliations, so what are we to believe?

[See blog for full text.]

-- 
Question everything -- Karl Marx

[Goanet] Goa Sudharop: Fires in Southern California - IV

2007-10-27 Thread George Pinto

Dear all,

There is no firm count of Goan families in the San Diego area, but 
approximately 50 families are
estimated to live in the area. All have been directly or indirectly impacted by 
the fires.
Fortunately, reports coming in suggest they have found temporary housing, 
including assistance
from city, county, state, federal agencies, and local non-profits. Long-term 
the evacuees will
face hardship, see 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071027/ap_on_re_us/california_wildfires

People in Southern California have rallied together and helped. The Goan 
community in Los Angeles,
Orange County, San Diego are to be admired for reaching out and providing help 
and accomodation.
Others from outside the area have also offered to help, including financially.

If you are aware of Goan families in need of assistance, please contact Acaria 
Almeida at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thank you for your support.

Goa Sudharop
www.goasudharop.org

[Goanet] Produce title deeds for Dabolim, Navy told

2007-10-27 Thread Pamela D'Mello


Produce title deeds for Dabolim, Navy told

By Pamela D'Mello
The Asian Age


Panaji, Oct 26: Stepping up pressure on the navy, Goa rajya sabha legislator 
Shantaram Naik has asked the navy to produce title deeds for 1687 acres of 
land around Dabolim airport --- which he said actually belongs to the state 
government.


Ownership of Goa's lone Dabolim airport has become contentious since Goa's 
bustling tourism industry's expansion plans  finds itself bogged down in 
land disputes with the navy.


Mr Naik, a member of a prime minister appointed committee to negotiate Goa's 
vexed airport issue, said the issue of ownership repeatedly came up. State 
officials were asked to investigate land title and report to the committee.


A brewing dispute over Dabolim's land ownerhship cropped up again after 
international consultants said a new aiport was unviable, and would require 
24 million passeners. Dabolim currently handles 2 million and projections 
for 2020 would rise to 6 million.


Faced with a no-win situation, Goa legislators are increasingly questioning 
the navy's claim to Dabolim. Small expansions proposed by AAI and state 
authorities have run into quibbles over land, even as existing 
infrastructure is stretched to its limits. A small terminal handles 4000 
passengers a day, 38 domestic flights daily and  31 charters a week.


Mr Naik claims no title deed exists since the land was never transferred to 
the navy. "It is unfair that Goa should have to keep asking for airport 
land, that actually belongs to it", he said.


When raised as a question in parliament, the then defence minister said 
dabolim airport had been handed over to the ministry of defence by an order 
of the then military governor, following an ouster of Portuguese forces by 
Indian armed forces in 1961. The ministry of defence accordingly claims 
title of 1687.51 acres of land in Dabolim airport since April 1962, the 
reply stated. Airport Authority of India is using 25 acres, of which 14 
acres had been transferred to the civil aviation in June 1996.  (Ends)

[Goanet] First Death Anniversary - Marlon Diago Agnelo Fernandes (Santa Cruz, Goa)

2007-10-27 Thread goa world


FIRST DEATH ANNIVERSARY


MARLON DIOGO AGNELO FERNANDES
(DJ MARLON)
Santa Cruz, Goa

Born: 1st May, 1979   Died: 30th October, 2006

Quick and sudden came the call,
Your sudden death shocked us all,
You will be missed Dear Marlon,
But your good deeds lives on..
Till memory fails and life departs,
You will live forever in our hearts.

There will be a Requiem Mass for the soul of our beloved
"MARLON"on Saturday the 27th October, 2007 at 8.15 a.m.
at the Holy Cross Church, Santa Cruz, Ilhas - Goa,
Offered by his sorrowful parents: Manuel, Espy, sisters: Melanie, Mayzie, 
brother-in-law: Vernon, nieces: Athena, Arielle, Gabrielle,

nephew: Marlon Rafael, and family members.

Relatives, neighbours, friends and well wishers please
accept this as the only intimation

[Goanet] Six Lanes to Hell

2007-10-27 Thread Rajan P. Parrikar


To Goanet -

The usual political suspects in Goa have thrown their weight behind the 
creation of a new 6-lane highway. Like the proposed Special Ghati Zones 
this, too, is a terrible mistake.


You ought to ask yourself who exactly is supporting these projects.  At the 
head of the list is the leading corruptician (my portmanteau word for the 
corrupt politician) of our times, Dayanand Narvekar.


We should be thinking of ways to reduce motorized traffic and curtail our 
carbon emissions, not increase them.  Everyone talks about the need for 
spanking new roads.  Nobody talks about cultivating road manners and road 
culture, something that would enhance the quality of life much more than the 
pouring of fresh asphalt.  The 6-lane highway will transform Goa - coastal 
Goa, at any rate - into one indistinguishable contiguous urban mass.  The 
damage would be incalculable and irreversible.


Among the several factors that has placed Goa on the fast track to doom is 
its easy accessibility, particularly in the past 5 years.  The Dilli savage 
now has a choice of flights from sunrise until sunset.  A slew of trains is 
now on offer for the ghati from Bihar or AP.  Getting into Goa has never 
been easier.  It is akin to having the doors of your house open and 
unguarded at all times. With the 6-lane highway we will have knocked down 
the walls, too.


Warm regards,

r

Re: [Goanet] Fwd: NRI Goan Lady shows the way and help others in need

2007-10-27 Thread Anthony C. L. Fernandes


Dear Jose,

I have been informed that Cynthia has responded to Mr, Erward Verdes on 25th 
Oct, 2007 as follows:


Quote
Yes, Thank you for the kind words.. because they did not want to read any 
all they wanted to do was put one down.. No regrets though.. We have to move 
on.. Edward.


Cynthia


Unquote

Tony

[Goanet] Goa bishop in Sao Francisco

2007-10-27 Thread Ana Maria Fernandes


The visit of the bishop of Goa to Sao Francisco should not have figured in the 
goanet in the first case as it was his private engagement. . Secondly there is 
no need for anyone to apologies for writing against his visit. Did the Bishop 
tender his apology when he insulted the elected representatives of Goa ,I mean 
MLAs  and ministers when they were invited for a dinner on Christmas day? 
Ann Marie 
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[Goanet] 67- yr-old held for raping minor



67-
yr-old held for raping minor 


NT News Service


Quepem, Oct 26  The Quepem police today arrested a 67 year
old person on charges of raping an eleven year old girl from Ambaulim, Quepem.
The accused, Juze Cardozo, was produced before the First Class Judicial
Magistrate Quepem today and remanded to seven-day police custody.


 According to the Quepem police, the accused who happens to
be the neighbour of the victim, used to lure the girl into entering his house
by offering her chocolates and sweets while she was on her way to school. Once
inside, the accused would force her into submission and sexually molest her.
The police said that the victims molestation was possibly going on since last
almost two months until the incident came to light yesterday after the victims
school teacher suspected something fishy following her frequent absence from
school and informed her mother.


Upon interrogation by her mother, the victim charged Cardozo with
sexually molesting her, following which a complaint was lodged with the Quepem
police. Acting swiftly, the police nabbed the accused from his house and
arrested him. An offence has been registered against Cardozo under Sec 376 of
the IPC and Sec 8 of the Goa Childrens Act 2003. Quepem PI Mr Naresh Mhamal is
conducting further investigations.


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[Goanet] Digambar on Churchill’s allegations aga inst Aleixo



Digambar
on Churchills allegations against Aleixo 


NT Staff Reporter


Panaji, Oct 26 The issue regarding recent allegations made by the
Minister for Public Works Department, Mr Churchill Alemao against the Power
Minister, Mr Aleixo Sequeira connected with the sale of land plots by the Goa
Industrial Development Corporation came to the fore during the cabinet meeting
today.


The Chief Minister, Mr Digambar Kamat tried to convince the PWD
Minister that it was wrong on his part to make public allegations against his
cabinet colleague.


Mr Alemao, reacting to the situation, maintained that he had
never made such allegations against Mr Sequeira, some of the cabinet ministers
told this daily on condition of anonymity.


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[Goanet] Tuition teacher arrested for sexual assault on 9-year-old



Tuition teacher arrested for sexual assault on
9-year-old


BY HERALD REPORTER



MARGAO, OCT 26  The Colva police on Friday evening
arrested the 40-year-old female tuition teacher in connection with the sexual
assault on a 9-year-old boy at Benaulim.

The teacher was taken into custody by the police after her bail application was
rejected by the Childrens Court this evening.

Colva PI C L Patel told Herald that the lady teacher was referred for medical
examination to the Goa
 Medical College
and hospital, Bambolim soon after her arrest.

She has been arrested under section 8 (2) of the Goa Childrens Act and section
377 of the Indian Penal Code for unnatural sex.

PI Patel said the police are also investigating into a complaint lodged by
another boy, who also used to take tuitions with the accused teacher.

The Colva police had registered a case against the teacher three days ago after
the mother of the 9-year old victim boy complained of pain in his private part.

Colva police are further investigating.

Our Panjim reporter adds: The Childrens Court on Friday rejected the
anticipatory bail application of the 40-year-old tuition teacher who is alleged
to have assaulted her 9-year-old student.

The accused was arrested immediately after her anticipatory bail application
was rejected even as 100-odd supporters stood outside the Court for the
verdict.

A case was registered against her under Section 377 (unnatural sex) of IPC and
section 8(2) of the Goa Childrens Act after the boy complaint to his mother.

The President of the Childrens Court Nutan Sardessai rejected the anticipatory
bail plea pointing out that accused had avoided the arrest for three days. 

The state was represented by Public Prosecutor Pratima Verenkar.


 


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[Goanet] Padre Pio

Hi All,
  
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=489428&in_page_id=1811
  An Italian monk who became the country's best-loved saint after being 
canonised by Pope John Paul II and who claimed to suffer stigmata or the wounds 
of Christ was a fake who used carbolic acid, according to a controversial new 
book. 
Padre Pio, who died in 1968 and who was canonized in 2002, claimed to have 
first suffered the stigmata  holes in his hands and feet where nails pierced 
Christ at the Crucifixion  since he was a young priest aged 24.   He enjoyed a 
massive following with thousands visiting him and even today nearly 30 years 
after his death he has a millions of devotees around the world and he is 
especially popular with Italian celebrities such as Sophia Loren and Andrea 
Bocelli.   However a new book called "The Other Christ: Padre Pio and the Italy 
of the 19th Century" by historian Sergio Luzzatto claims that the wounds were 
self created using carbolic acid and he claims to have found documentary 
evidence to prove it in the Vatican's secret archives.   A letter he has 
discovered from a pharmacist called Maria De Vito, 28, who had made a 
pilgrimage in 1919 to see Padre Pio at his monastery at San Giovanni Rotondo 
near Foggia, southern Italy.   In the document Maria wrote: "I was an
 admirer of Padre Pio and met him for the first time in July 1919. I was there 
for a month and had the opportunity to see him close hand several times and I 
always had an excellent opinion of him.   
  "The eve of my departure for Foggia, Padre Pio called me to one side and in 
great secrecy and asking me not to tell his fellow brothers gave me personally 
an empty bottle he asked me to act as a chauffeur take it back from Foggia to 
San Giovanni Rotondo with four grams of pure carbolic acid.   "He explained 
that the acid was for disinfecting syringes for injections and he also asked 
for other medicines such as Valda tablets."   The document added that a month 
later a further request arrived from Padre Pio in which he asked for four grams 
of veratrine (painkiller) which was not available in her pharmacy so she asked 
her cousin who refused because he feared it was being used for faking his 
stigmata.   The book highlights that the testimony was presented to the Vatican 
by the local archbishop Pasquale Gagliardi who was an enemy of Padre Pio and 
who always suspected that the wounds were self inflicted with acid and then 
perfumed with cologne.   However the Vatican dismissed
 the documents after carrying out their own investigations which ruled that the 
wounds were not caused by "external forces."   The Catholic Anti-Defamation 
League have hit back at the author of the book, historian Sergio Luzzatto, 
saying:   "We would like to remind Mr Luzzatto that according to Catholic 
doctrine, canonisation carries with it papal infallibility." 

   
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Re: [Goanet] Portuguese TV soap codenamed Imperius to be filmed in Goa.

2007-10-27 Thread Paulo Colaco Dias

Creio que está enganado.

Eu não estou a publicitar nada.
No máximo estarei a dar uma informação da filmagem de uma telenovela
portuguesa em Goa.

Mas olhe, fica aqui um conselho para que não fiquemos mais aborrecidos.

Quando não gostar dos emails que receber via goanet, até porque acredito que
sejam realmente de um nível inferior ao exigido pela sua inteligente pessoa,
tem ao seu dispor uma tecla no seu teclado chamada "delete". Prima-a. Vai
ver que funciona. E assim escusa de estar a queixar-se para este "nosso"
forum.

Achei engraçado o que disse: este não parece ser o seu forum mas o nosso. 
Então se não considera Goanet o seu forum, o que está aqui a fazer?

Com os melhores cumprimentos.
Paulo Colaco Dias.

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From: Joao Botelho Gomes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 25 October 2007 23:36
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Portuguese TV soap codenamed Imperius to be filmed in
Goa.

> Meu Caro
> Faça-me um favor:
> Não publicite aquilo a que em inglês se denomina "Soap" e em português

> Telenovelas.
> O vosso forum já tem um nível intelectualmente baixo, não necessita de 
> mais "Soaps" mas de assuntos de interesse intelectual. Entre outros e dada

> a natureza da questão os, por exemplo, nossos grandes dramaturgos.
> Em nome de um nível minimamente aceitável de interesses intelectuais e de 
> um número muito maior do que possa acreditar de pessoas que se interessam 
> por assuntos sérios (e, já agora o bom humor também tem o seu lugar) 
> ficar-lhe-ei extremamente grato. Até porque tenho Filhos e Netos que 
> implicam uma luta quotidiana na ajuda à sua, deles, elevação intelectual.
> Melhores cumprimentos
> João Botelho Gomes
>

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2007-10-27 Thread Ruby Goes

  
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Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 2, Issue 929_Should we take care of our parent

Dear Edward,
That Gibran reference can be inadvertently read too literally. I hope you
were not doing that. It is more of a parable and as such must be approached
in a "parabolic" way (what goes around comes around scenarios)." We did not
choose our births, neither did our parents us, nor were all parents in our
time (and even now) blessed with an understanding of market forces, working
25 years in the Middle East, had other great jobs, invested in hedge funds,
understood market volatility, or raise children to be bankers. My mother for
instance has no reason not to hope. She received a certain amount of
education (very little in fact), a lot of faith in truth and justice, and
the belief that things all wok out. Most of these things did not turn out
the way she thought it would. But what she has is us, and we are three
relatively quite but tough assed kids. She has only realized that recently
-- now that she sees that we never hurt anyone, are there for her, work
things out among ourselves even one of us messes things up for the other
two. This she sees when she contrasts her existence against others. She
knows we are there for her and it strengthens her. She does not cling.
Perhaps that may be the situation with others.

There are very few people who I can say for sure, I mean be a 100 percent
certain that they can live by themselves even if they had all the money in
the world and people to take care of them such as assisted living in any
variation. There are elders who believe that the children should be there
for them; and these days care can take many forms. To my knowledge, in many
of these cases, those parents put in an inordinate amount for their
children; and those children I doubt would have enjoyed the success they do,
if not for those Goan working stiffs (their parents). So although, the
expectations, as seen from the lens of modernity may appear a bit askew, we
have to look at it as a parcel of our pathos. Hopefully, the ones who look
forward to not imposing or concerning their children -- will not expect the
same from their children, nor hold it out against them, if in their own
latter years the same thoughts of being looking after impinge upon their
independent consciousnesses.

For a writer who write simply Khalil Gibran can be a hard read. He also says
"Stand together, yet not too close together; for the oak and the cypress
grow not in each others shadow." We used this on our wedding invite, along
with other snippets of text. But imagine the disaster if one reads this
piece to mean do what you please. For most it would not work out.

venantius


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Selma wrote:
  What we havenow are more like mental asylums and I wouldn't put myworst
enemy there much less my parents.
This is life in the urban, 21st century. Please don'tlook to God or the
Church to sort out these verytangible problems. We as a society have to
addressthem head-on.
  
  Parents should not look forward to be looked after by their children, that
is the core issue.
  As Khalil Gibran (a philosopher once said): "Children are NOT your
children. They come through you but not FROM you". Therefore they have their
own life to live, if you had died young  would your children be dead as
well?
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Re: [Goanet] Question Everything , say nothing!

Not at all, it was a British Plot!!  ha ha
   
  Karl Marx grave is located in Highgate Cemetery in London (but I guessed you 
knew that when you punned this to Vidyadhar.  
   
  Surely the British Goverment of the day, with MI5 & MI6 must have thought 
this was the best way to give the the Soviet Union a diplomatic slap in the 
face & allowed him a plot in this famous London Cemetery.
   
  John Monteiro
  Berkshire, England 
--
  Vidyadhar Gadgil writes:"Question everything!" -- Karl Marx 
. 
OK Vidy, here goes! 
Q.: Was Marx's grave a communist plot ??? 
FR

Re: [Goanet] God and You -Today's reflections according to Albert.....................

Albert, for GOD's sake, why have you broken the new rule? Everyone accepts that 
you have an inalienable right to post here, flounce & pounce about, write all 
you want about your religion, even bore us with repetition, day in & day out.
   
  What IS your version of paganism?  Its someone's faith you are demeaning yet 
again.  You must please stop harrassing and angering posters on this forum. My 
faith is MY faith, not for you to condemn with a few throw-away lines.
   
  YOU are a Catholic and that is fine, I dont feel compelled to down-grade your 
faith, it is not my business, it is YOUR BUSINESS and if you wish to spout all 
that the OLD testament says (with some wishy-washy NEW testament verse this and 
verse that), then ok, that is fine, but DONT continue to rile people by calling 
them names.
   
  Your interpretation is also questionable but I am happy to read it, as a 
fictional account.  I cannot for the life of me understand why a sensible man 
with much to say, continues to denegrade other people's faiths.
   
  IF I ever stop posting on this forum it will be to get away from you and your 
constant harranging of my faith. I am NOT a Muslim (many posters on this forum 
are), I am not a Budhist! I am not an Agnostic, I am not an Atheist. but in 
your eyes anyone who is not a CATHOLIC is damned by your God, I am NOY a Pagan, 
this is also a religion (Wicca), but I am NOT a practicing Pagan either, nor 
are the Muslim brothers and sisters on this forum "pagans", the Budhists are 
Hindus are NOT PAGANS either!
   
  Get yourself sorted out please.  You were doing so wonderfully yesterday, 
when you concentrated on YOUR religion only!  It really is NOT NECESSARY to 
demean others' religions so we all feel disinfranchised by you saying you have 
the only way to God. 
   
  There are enough organised religions out there which condemn all other faiths 
as being "pagan" or in league with the devil.  If you took some time and delved 
into the religions you will see them for what they are.  But if you have NO 
knowledge of other faiths, then keep your trap firmly shut, please???
   
  You do contradict yourself, you said that we have not learned to 
forget peoples colour & creed. well?  Creed is religion, you 
forgot, not I!!
   
  John Monteiro
  Berkshire, England
--
..Who can say this "I am the truth the way and the life whoever 
comes to me will be saved. If you want to come to my Father you have to come to 
me. I and the Father are one. " Foolish are we not to go to Jesus... we are 
still in the midst of paganism and false belief. we still do not have the 
proper knowledge of the bible and what it contains.we have not learnt to 
forget about the colour and creed and call each one our brothers 
andsisters..in practical because we are too selfish with ourselves
albert 
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[Goanet] Konkani flavour in other languages too

Konkani flavour in other languages too 
THE HINDU:Friday, Oct 26, 2007
M. Raghuram 
Prathistan will take up translation of nine books
15 short-story collections among those to 
be taken up for transliteration
BANGALORE: In a move to popularise Konkani literature in languages such as 
Hindi, English and Malayalam, the Konkani Bhas Ani Samskriti Prathistan, an 
apex body of Konkani literature, will take up a series of translation as well 
as transliteration works of Konkani masters.
Sharing the information with The Hindu, the prathistan convener Basti Vaman 
Shenoy told that there was a rich treasure of literature in Konkani written in 
Devanagari, Kannada, Roman and Malayalam scripts. 
Mr. Shenoy was in the city to formalise the translation work with some of the 
well-known scholars of Konkani, Hindi and English here. 
He said initially the prathistan would take up nine books for translation, and 
three books and 15 short-story collections of young authors for transliteration.
Mr. Shenoy said a committee that was formed to suggest the books had identified 
nine books, including those of Rashtrakavi Manjeshwar Govinda Pai that had 
been published in Konkani, Malayalam and Kannada, which would be translated 
into Hindi by Sunithi Bai from Kochi.
Biography 
Dinakarana Kavanagalu, which is in Kannada, will be translated into Konkani 
by S.M. Krishna Rao of Bangalore. Mr. Rao will also be translating a Konkani 
biography of T.M.A. Pai into English and Kannada.
Jawaharlal Nehrus Discovery of India will be translated into Konkani by 
Kiran Budkulay of Goa. 
Special works 
Two special works on Konkani Shabdakosh (dictionary) and Konkani Parichay 
Kosh (a bio-register) had also been taken up by the prathistan. 
Well-known Konkani and English scholars such as Tanaji Halarnkar of Goa and M. 
Madhav Pai of Shimoga were working on these two programmes, Mr. Shenoy said. 
A book on Kamaladevi Chattopadhyaya which is in Konkani will be translated into 
English and Kannada by Jyotsna Kamath of Bangalore. A collection of essays in 
Konkani written by Ravindra Kelekar and also a novel by him Velevayleo Ghulo 
would be translated from Konkani to English and Kannada, he said.
Three major books written by well-known novelists in Konkani  A.T. Lobo (Tum 
Baro Za), J.S. Alvares (Angel) and V.J.P. Saldanha (Moga Maka Shikay)  
will be taken up for transliteration. 
In another project the prathistan will take up transliteration of 15 
short-story collections of authors who have recently started writing Konkani 
literature.
Mr. Shenoy said the Vishwa Konkani Sahitya Akademi would publish all these 
books in phases.
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[Goanet] Are Goan Politicians Using SEZs to make a fast buck? Is Goa ready for SEZs?

2007-10-27 Thread cedrico dacosta

Are Goan Politicians Using SEZs for making a fast buck?

Question on question -- ?

Is Goa ready for SEZs?  Well, a lot has been written and said and spoken about 
the latest medium of corruption that is introduced by the Goa Government and 
its crooked Ministers -- The SEZs!

The Issue:

It is alledged that there has been a huge level of corruption in the allocation 
of space in the SEZ areas. -- Understandable! Where ever there is a land deal, 
the Ministers both at the local and the national level have always tried their 
best to make a commission (read bribe) over the sale of land and space. 

Why this happens:

Historically in Goa, every and any politician has got away with mass scale 
corruption. Check the cases pending against any of the current and past 
MLAs/Ministers. Currently almost all of the Digamber Kamat ministry is made up 
of tainted ministers, including Digamber kamat himself...so what better do we 
expect? from whom?

Is Goa ready for SEZs?

Goa, currently is struggling with its poor infrastructure and not much is being 
done to aleviate the sufferings of the common man (read aam aadmi). Tourism, 
the next big industry in Goa that will help the state economically is being 
totally neglected. Observe the world over how tourist destinations have been 
promoted by their governments. In the past tenure of Dr Wilfred Dsouza, he 
couldnt even rid the Candolim beach of the River princess...today Dr Wilfred D 
souza is history, but see the damage he did by being an incompetent tourism 
minister, or the other former tourism ministers. Not much has been done to 
improve the facilities and the infrastructure to help grow the tourism industry.

Today, the Goa government and the various cunning politicians associated with 
the current dispensation are in a hurry to sell Goa n make a commission. The 
new mantra is SEZs -- it is nothing, but yet another medium to sell Goa to the 
highest bidder to outsiders.

The Goa of today is strugling to keep up to its growing demands in terms of 
water and electricityand although senior Politicians like Francisco 
Sardinha with an eye on the upcoming elections has declared that the Goa 
government will not be responsible to provide water and electricity to the 
companies setting up in the SEZs, only goes to show how the government will 
sooner or later encourage more power thefts and scams like the expert Mauvin 
Godinho is alleged to have done during his tenure as the power minister -- as 
Parrikar and he will throw more light on the issue.

With a gala announcement and a lot of ribbon cutting the industrial unit at 
verna was opened up -- but after almost 15 years of its set up, not much is 
visible except the notable expansion of the Kesarval Motel, owned by Luzinho 
Faleiro -- and the world knows what contributed to its growth.

SEZs are not harmful, in fact the world over special economic zones are a boon 
to industrialisation and businesses...but at this moment, instead of 
concentrating on improving the basic infrastructure in Goa like wider and more 
better roads, highways, construction of more dams to tap the freely available 
rain water and to control the large scale pollution done by minning, the 
cunning foxes in the Goa government are trying to byte more than they can chew, 
as they know the mantra that goes like ...make hay while the sun shines...and 
they are not sure if they will retain their kodels when the sun rises the next 
day morning!!! how disgusting this?

Goa doesnt even have a proper airport to accomodate large scale progress that 
would happen vis a vis SEZs...It has been a year the proposed 500 Cr sanction 
from the central government to expand Dabolim airport is yet to reach GOA, 
while on the other hand an unsteady CM makes almost two trips a day to 
Delhi-Goa and back.?/?

Take for example the fancied commercial capital of MARGAO -- the very 
constituency represented by our CM for serval terms...Margao lies in 
shambles...bad roads, failing electricity supply, gambling, prostitution, 
robberies, parking spaces, lack of health care facilities are some of the basic 
hardships that are faced by the public. Digamber Kamat boasts of musical 
fountains and beautification projects like Ana Fonte, but what is the use of 
providing a hairbrush to a bald man? A hungry populace needs bread not cake? a 
dying man needs medicines not a guarantee that he/she would have a honourable 
funeral?//

It is also very sad that the public in Goa is made to believe that everything 
the Government does is for their good alone -- the press is biased and therein 
the ruling parties choke the voice of the people...the information spread 
through a controlled press is not people centric but politician 
centric...reminds us of Salazarshahi!

The police force is controlled by the ruling parties to dance to their tunes, 
peoples rebellions and revolts are crushed prematurely by using force. And if 
the public puts up a brave and a strong front, some of its mem

[Goanet] Talking Photos: Save 'Bore Pul' (old Borim bridge)

2007-10-27 Thread JoeGoaUk

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=1780456954&size=l
clik abv if u can't see pic

Talking Photos: Pl. Save Old Borim Bridge (Bore Pul)

see abandoned old bridge in 3 parts
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=1774464970&size=l
 
 
Build by Portuguese (Dont know which year, can any one throw some light?
Wrote to many people including Xaviers history Dept, a video clip kept pending
for want of this info)
Then it was blown off by Portuguese army during 1961 war.
Reconstructed (damaged portion only)  by Richardson & Guruddas Co., Bombay.
Recommissined at the hands of then Finance Minister (Govt. of India) Mr. Moraji
Desa in 1963.  Thenafter, there were several damages to it including hitting by
barges etc.
 
-The bridge was the only link to north-south  Goa.
-Perhaps, the only major bridge in Goa.
- Due to the war time/barge hit damages etc, some weight restriction were
imposed. 
-All passengers were told to alight and only empty bus was allowed to cross the
bridge.
-All passengers including children were made to cross the bridge on foot and
catch the bus at the other end.
-As a child, while walking on the bridge JoeGoaUk used to tremble* when he sees
the water deep down through the crevices/gaps or large holes in the wooden
floor of the bridge.
-We only made use of the bridge once a year thats during Old Goa Novenas.
- The bridge was in the news several times making headlines.
-There were several deaths reported at the bridge particularly of those workers
who worked there.
-There was strong rumour at the time  that the Bore Pul required human blood
to keep it going.
-As kids, we had the fear in us that Ghantti come with the sack and takes
children away for the Bore Pul. Perhaps,  we got it from our parents or
elders etc 
-The bridge was operative, I think, until  1986 when CM Rane inaugurated the
new bridge on 27th Aug. 1986. see new bridge pic here
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=1780708710&size=l
 
*JoeGoaUk has this phobia (Acrophobia)- fear of heights.
During his pre-school time,  his class was located in a room next to the
sacristy (church). In his class room, there was a small staircase for the
priest to go up in the pulpit to give sermon. It is only about 6-7 steps but
his legs were trembling when he looked down.  However, when he climbs up any
coconut trees for addsoram he never looks down.
Any cure for this phobia? 
 
Did you know?
In May 1998, in absence of any sign board or a barricade on the old Borim
bridge, two youth riding on their motor bike rode straight into the bridge and 
plunged into the river?
One survived (rescued by the local fisherfolks), one died. Both of then were
Biharis and were heading for Quepem.  Police then registered a case against PWD
for their negligence.
 
Why this bridge need to be saved or protected & how?
-Its a part of our heritage/history.
-We can show our children/grandchildren
- Future generations
- Beautiful view from the bridge- Greenery, scenery , hills, valley, river etc
etc
See abv pic or watch the slide-show below
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukbridges/show/
- the bridge can be reconstructed, the missing/damaged portion etc and as foot
bridge
- Throw open to public and make it a tourists attraction.
-Let the locals make some business by outting up some stalls etc.
-Let all tourist buses make a stop there, with a guide who will give a breif
history of the bridge.
 
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=1779776590&size=l
if u can't see pic abv pl clik on abv link

If we can save  The Massano de Amorim school building' (near Cine National)
which was built around 1940 why not this bridge?
Supporters of the above building say So many children have passed their
primary education through the Massano de Amorim Escola since the 1940s till
date. Thus the heritage school is part of our personal heritage
JoeGoaUk Says: So many people (almost entire south Goa)  passed through the old
Borim bridge on foot until 1986. Thus the bridge is part of our  heritage too.
Let's not wait till some private parties take it over or buys the nearby land
etc

There will be a short video clip which will be coming soon.  In the mean time
try watching this slide show
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukbridges/show/
 
 Some Home Work:
-When was the old Borim bridge built?
- If you agree that the bridge needs to be protected, tell us in your own words
-why and how ?
- Do you have any other memories of the old Borim Bridge?


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[Goanet] Manohar parrikar - right choice for CM

2007-10-27 Thread Miguel Braganza

Dear Chinmay Bhandare,

After the success of Bobby jindal, why not promote Manohar Parrikar
for Governorship of Arakansas? or join Dr.Carmo Da Cruz in drumming up
support for Manoharbab to replace Jep Bush in Florida??

For the present, Digu-bab is the bestest besht CM for Goa. In case we
need to replace him, we the electorate will decide. When we need NRI
help, we will ask.

Till we do, save your breath or come back to India, live in Goa
and canvas for him. We do not need any 1,2,3 guys telling us what to
do. We are not as dumb as you may think  or be led to believe, if
thinking puts you to sleep.

In any case, we are looking at "Lok Sabha" elections right now .. for
the Federal Govt,  [something like the guys on Capitol Hill in US of
A] not the state Govt., in case you have not yet realised. Manohar bab
may be a good substitute for George W.Bush, though. He has similar
delusions of his intelligence.

Mog asundi.

Miguel

Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:36:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bhandare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] Manohar parrikar - right choice for CM

Dear Anamika:

Your sentiments are riht on target.Parrikar is the
most dynamic and honest politician we have right now
Politics is neve as easy as choosing between good and
bad, rather it is the tough choice between the lesser
of two evils...
Critics of parrikar will find 100 ways of pointing out
his faults but what is the choice we have?

maybe parrikar is not ideal but relative to the others
that we have he is the best


regards
B



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[Goanet] Goa news for October 28, 2007

2007-10-27 Thread Goanet News Service

Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org
Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories.

*** Goa govt signs MoU with DFF for IFFI-07 - Hindu
[Oct 26, 2007]  New Delhi (PTI): The Goa government has signed
an MoU with the Directorate of Film Festival (DFF), authorising
it to decide on all matters related to the ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/2-0&fd=R&url=http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/009200710262066.htm&cid=1122658708&ei=-skjR-f1FpCWrgOakuyQAw

*** Goas Economic Growth - Navhind Times
[18 hours ago]  It is a question of not only in which direction
the economy of Goa should go but also how uniform and
non-partisan and public-interest-guided government ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/1-0&fd=R&url=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=102719&cid=1122548768&ei=-skjR-f1FpCWrgOakuyQAw

*** GTDC represents Goa at travel conference - Navhind Times
[18 hours ago]  Goa had a special slot as a key tourism
destination in Asia andthe presentation on Goa was made by the
managing director, Goa Tourism Development ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/4-0&fd=R&url=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=102736&cid=1122697067&ei=-skjR-f1FpCWrgOakuyQAw

*** Navy should not make Goa Govt beg for Dabolim land: Naik -
Hindu
[14 hours ago]  "The land actually belongs to the Government of
Goa and the Indian Navy has not produced any deed of transfer of
it when it was taken over during Goa ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/0-0&fd=R&url=http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/002200710271422.htm&cid=1122757850&ei=-skjR-f1FpCWrgOakuyQAw

*** Who will inaugurate the IFFI at Goa? - IndiaGlitz
[14 hours ago]  With just a few weeks left for the
International Film Festival to kick off in Goa, it still remains
a mystery as to who would inaugurate this year's edition ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/3-0&fd=R&url=http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/34340.html&cid=0&ei=-skjR-f1FpCWrgOakuyQAw

*** Elders\' paradise - Economic Times
[2 hours ago]  As per global real estate consultancy, Jones
Lang LaSalle Meghraj (JLLM), Pune,Goa, Bhopal, Rajkot and
Chandigarh are some of the top cities where people ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/9-0&fd=R&url=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ET_Features/The_Sunday_ET/Special_Report/Elders__paradise/articleshow/2496099.cms&cid=0&ei=-skjR-f1FpCWrgOakuyQAw

*** Indian withdraws four flights from Sunday - Economic Times
[8 hours ago]  The flights are: IC 466 Kochi-Delhi; IC465
Delhi-Kochi; IC575 Chennai-Kochi-Goa-Kuwait and IC576
Kuwait-Goa-Kochi-Chnnai flights, the Airlines said in a ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/8-0&fd=R&url=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Airlines__Aviation/Indian_withdraws_four_flights_from_Sunday/articleshow/2495254.cms&cid=1122768364&ei=-skjR-f1FpCWrgOakuyQAw

*** No SEZ if locals dont want it: Nath - Economic Times
[Oct 26, 2007]  Mr Nath's statement comes in the wake of
developments in Goa that saw locals stalling work of the
upcoming pharma SEZ, being developed by Cipla's sister ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/7-0&fd=R&url=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/Economy/Infrastructure/No_SEZ_if_locals_dont_want_it_Nath/articleshow/2493832.cms&cid=0&ei=-skjR-f1FpCWrgOakuyQAw

*** Goa Governors Cup from November 3 - Navhind Times
[19 hours ago]  Margao, Oct 26 Sesa Football Academy will meet
Goa U-19 in the inaugural match of Goa Governors Cup 2007-08
football tournament on November 3 at Duler ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/6-0&fd=R&url=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=102727&cid=0&ei=-skjR-f1FpCWrgOakuyQAw

*** Goa achieved all-round progress during Congress regime:
Faleiro - Navhind Times
[19 hours ago]  Margao, Oct 26 The former industries minister,
Mr Luzinho Faleiro said Goa achieved development in all respects
during the regime of Congress government. ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/5-0&fd=R&url=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=10278&cid=1122749001&ei=-skjR-f1FpCWrgOakuyQAw


Compiled by Goanet News Service
http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php

[Goanet] God and you and mother Mary/to Gabe

Hi Gabe,
  Thanks for connecting anything and everything to Goa, we should have a trade 
mark on them. Gypos, Romanies, Egypto, Travellers - Goan Catholics? you 
mentioned the coconut but missed out that ALL Gypos are Catholics (they wear 
BENTINS, scapulars).
  1. Bright colours and the women's dress (gagro) are Rajasthani in origin.
  2. Coconut are mode of offerings for the whole of India not just in Goa.
  3. Have you seen the Jamaicans with gold teeth? - Goan origin?
  4. My great grand mother told me Konkni is Sanskrit in Origin, most of all 
she couldn't even read or write, let alone knowing what Sanskrit script looked 
like, but she said it.
  5. Even the British Royal family is Goan in origin (Indian) - arranged 
marriages!!
  ED.
  -
  RESPONSE: Gypsies are called Gypos here ( derogatorily ). Gypsies did 
originate from India...Goa to be precise. Their Romany language, if spoken 
slowly could be understood as Konkani. Their ceremonies which have Coconuts, 
also alludes to Goa, as are their bright clothes and love of Gold - surely a 
Goan trait !Gabe Menezes.


   
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[Goanet] Absolutely Cedrico -- At last a Goan with Guts

2007-10-27 Thread Sharon Wilma D Souza

Absolutely Cedrico -- At last a Goan with Guts

Absolutely Cedrico, way to go...you got the balls man! It is good to know that 
finally there is one Goan, although far away in the land of the dons, who cares 
so much for his homeland and has his heart and mind towards the cause of 
reviwing Goa and restoring it to its lost glory.'You are a true Goan Don to 
take on the corrupt politicians and the corrupt society.

I really am a great fan of yours ever since a close friend started forwarding 
me mails from this Goan site, and must truely admit we are now become your good 
fans in Muscat. I must say of late, except for your daring expose and take on 
the foolish Goan politicians, nobody is interested in discussing hard core 
drawbacks of Goa.

We have been fooled for long and now it is or never that the sorpotel eating, 
feni drinking sussegad goenkar arises from his or her slumber.

In you the people of Goa see a re incarnation of Rajan Narayan, specially as he 
grows old and is bribed with a huge amount by the Congress to write praises of 
them.

The newspapers in Goa like Gomantak and Herald are raddis, meant to wrap chanas 
and wipe yournobody cares for Goa the way you passionately write about it.

I feel someone like you is wasting your time in Dubai and must immediately go 
to Goa and start or join a peoples movement or a daily that will be apolitical 
and totally for the downtrodden Goan.

In the years to come, I see you as a young and budding politician, that is if 
you are interested in the dirty game, or a media baron, should you plan to 
start a media house.

Goa is gone to the dogs. All you can find in Goa is stray rabid dogs, paan 
supari, pimps, prostitutes, drug peddlars, laamanis and smugglers like 
Churchill Alemao's family in the south and thugs like Babush Monseratte in the 
north,and like them, there is nothing ínbetween.

I have been inquiring about you through some friends from Margao and understand 
you were actively involved in high level politics in your youth days at college 
level. I think we need young people like you in Goa and not in Dubai, to fight 
for Goa, to bear the burning torch and to burn to ashes all the kolvonts of the 
legislative assembly in Porvorim.

Good luck dear fellow Goan, and all the best, never give up, I wish to see more 
of your daring exposes in the Goanet, sooner your efforts will bear fruits and 
wish you good luck.

Viva Goa! Viva cedrico!

Sharon W D Souza
Goa/Muscat

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Re: [Goanet] Macacas !

2007-10-27 Thread CORNEL DACOSTA

Hi Francis and Mervyn
  Many thanks for the explanation re Macacas. Strangely, it has never been used 
here in the UK. And what about the "sandflies" (or something akin) used for 
South Asians in Boston? Have you come across this usage?
   
  I have just seen Sicko. A lot of it is pretty realistic comparing the 
American, Canadian, UK and French systems of health provision for the 
respective citizens.My initial reaction is that  a rosier picture of the UK and 
France is provided but I had no criteria to use re the Canadian system. Also, 
there was no reference to the French system that requires some payment at the 
point of need but that can be retrieved later by application. Also, there was 
no reference to the American system that does provide a service to those 50 
million without insurance.
   
  I also felt that the account of the Firefighters (9/11) being taken to Cuba 
and receiving excellent treatment because they could not get help from America 
was perhaps a bit overdone.
  
 
  Overall, the film reinforced my strong belief that private insurance can 
never do justice to the health of a nation's people. Put simply, private 
insurance is about profitability and not health provision of a preventative 
nature nor for a large range of people who require more than minimal help. I am 
keeping my fingers crossed that Hilary's commitment to a national health system 
if she becomes President, becomes a reality because for the majority population 
of the USA he provision is pretty inadequate and pathetic for the only advanced 
nation without a national health service. I wouldn't trade the UK health 
service (despite its failures from time to time) for the American version as I 
understand it.
  Cornel
Francis Rodrigues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  "Macaca" has been used derogatorily since time 
immemorial against coloureds (by the fair-skinned), 
deriding them as 'monkeys'! It's origin is from the 
Portuguese 'macaco' (monkey), and for example, 
was a pretty common insult to the locals during the 
Portuguese occupation of Goa. 

FR 

Cornel,
A Macaca is someone who has been arrested and who 
lies in special jail without being charged. I do not think 
it refers only to "South Asians." It is also a generic term... 
Mervyn3.0

[Goanet] Setting Issues straight - to Selma.

Hi Selma,
  How can you straighten a person who is already bent? like the Chinese proverb 
(dogs tail).
  A frustrated person has nothing on his mind other than that which he wishes 
to do but does not have the guts for fear of penalty,
  Paedohilia is constantly on Bandare's mind, speaks for itself.
  ED.
  
  Bhandare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The RC church has collected billions of dollars from gullible folks for the 
purpose of charity and alleviating human suffering, and used that money to buy 
justice None of the paedophiles have ever been punished and the Pope himself 
instructed his cardinals not to collaborate with law enforcemnet efforts. 
--

Bhandare loosen up! Ever since you've come on the
forum you've had nothing else to tell us other than
the Pope condoning pedophilia and Muslims being
terrorists. It's quite obvious you don't know anything
about either the Church or Muslims. The Church does
not "condone" pedophilia or any sexual act for that
matter. It barely tolerates heterosexual sex on the
express condition that neither party enjoys it.

   
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[Goanet] Plots and sub-plots

2007-10-27 Thread Aniruddha Sen Gupta

Here's a story from the Indian Express which I felt
was archetypal of the complexity that is India. I know
it's nothing to do with Goa, but with the kind of
discussions on 'comparative religion' that one reads
here, I felt there was something in this story for
everyone. It's got religion, politics, science,
heritage, crime... given the nature of other more
famous temples in MP, there may even be some sex in it
 ;-)

A Muslim scientist fighting to save Hindu religious
heritage, and invoking the RSS against the BJP to do
so! Sublime irony. And there's even an environmental
angle to it -- the effort is against illegal mining,
after all.

Aniruddha Sen Gupta
Porvorim

URL: http://www.indianexpress.com/story/232008.html

ASI official wields saffron against saffron
---

Milind Ghatwai
The Indian Express News Newspaper

Superintending Archaeologist of ASI (Bhopal Circle) K
K Muhammed last week wrote a letter to RSS chief K
Sudershan seeking his intervention to save a group of
Shiva temples in Bateshwar in Morena district of
Madhya Pradesh, which were threatened by illegal
mining in their vicinity.

The RSS is always ready to protect Indian culture.
Its unfortunate that though there is a BJP Government
in MP the illegal mining continues threatening the
very existence of the ancient temples, Muhammed wrote
to Sudershan on October 15.

Muhammed said he sought the intervention of the RSS
because he had exhausted all other options. He had
written twice to MPs Culture Minister Laxmikant
Sharma requesting him to stop the illegal mining and
also wrote to the district magistrate and
superintendent of police in Morena district. Though he
did not take names, he alleged that the ruling party
was unable to stop mining because some powerful
politicians were involved.

Soni told The Indian Express over phone on Wednesday
that she was concerned about the temples and would
take up the issue with Chief Minister Shivraj Singh
Chouhan after getting all details. I have asked the
DG of ASI to collect all facts immediately, she said.
When asked how justified was the ASI officials SOS to
the RSS, she said she would not comment on it before
getting all details.

After the unprecedented SOS, Sudershan is believed to
have got in touch with the MP Government, which
immediately got into action.

Sharma said he was not aware if the RSS chief got in
touch with the Chief Minister but the Government had
succeeded in stopping mining in the past few days. He
said that various departments like mining and forests
had kept a vigil near the temples. Police sources
confirmed that some equipment were seized from
Padavali village.

Sharma said the Government had cancelled 12 mining
leases but two leaseholders successfully appealed in
the court. He said only official lease holders were
operating but the Government had taken steps to
prevent all illegal mining.

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[Goanet] Artiste urges Goans to exploit talents on stage



Artiste urges Goans to exploit talents on stage


HERALD CORRESPONDENT



CURCHOREM, OCT 26  Stage artiste Alka Velingkar has urged
Goans to excel at the national and international level by exploiting their
talents on stage.

She was addressing a gathering after inaugurating the five-day multi-lingual
drama festival, organised by the Department of Art and Culture in association
with the South Zone Cultural Centre at Udaipur.

Director of Art and Culture Prasad Lolyenkar, chief of South Zone Cultural
Centre Udaipur, Lek Hussain, vice President of Advisory Committee of the Art
and Culture Department Shridhar Kamat Bambolkar and Dr Vijay Thali.

Bbambolkar informed that the Ravindra Bhavan at Curchorem would be fully
renovated along with air-conditioning this year.

Five dramas in Konkani, Marathi, Hindi, and Gujarati languages are being staged
during the five-day festival.


 


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[Goanet] BOOK REVIEW: Nostalgia and Beyond - Savia Viegas

2007-10-27 Thread


Nostalgia and Beyond

By Savia Viegas

BOOK REVIEW: Dominic's Goa: A nostalgic romp through a bygone era: Abbe 
Faria Productions: Panjim: 2007: Rs 350



A yearning for what was or went before does different things to different 
people. It made Shah Jahan build the Taj Mahal to commemorate the death of 
his beloved queen Mumtaz Mahal. The dethroned monarch yearned for a glimpse 
of his dearly loved edifice when held prisoner at the Khas Mahal, but had to 
be content with a distant reflection of the Taj Mahal across the Yamuna 
river in a little mirror embedded in the wall.


Nostalgia has made Dominic Fernandes an Anjunian, now working as 
advisor-cum-chief registrar of Saudi Aramco in Dharan, to burrow into his 
archive of memories to regurgitate Dominic's Goa: a nostalgic romp through a 
bygone era. This book affords a delightful read. The author admits that this 
is just a fraction of the narrations he has penned and more is yet to come. 
These candid outpourings take us to Anjuna, his village and to Goa, the land 
of his birth, and the unspoilt childhood it gave him. It is also the land 
that fills him now with longing as he lives in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, 
secure no doubt but its topography, its desert light, its modernity and the 
minimalist vegetation only make him dig into his past to retrieve a cache of 
dense memories layered with a lush spread of a way of life which he can call 
'goenkarponn'. The village of his childhood and the land of his dreams are 
morphing, changing, its pristine dells which look like garbage pits, its 
hillsides sore with shanties that defy planning but get converted hastily 
into a 'votebank' opportunity. Coastal land and sand dunes have turned to 
tawdry colonias and sand dunes to glass.


Dominic retrieves the archive of his past with honesty to the last detail 
engraving like a meticulous sculptor subaltern detail upon detail 'of a Goa 
he knew' to be able 'to inform his readers of what life was in Goa.' and 
encase in their mind and hearts the most beautiful and pristine memories of 
a long ago, which can perhaps be visited only through memoirs such as the 
book under review. Dominic's book does just that while flaneur- like he 
inhabits the world of his childhood, almost becomes child again and 
painstakingly creates typologies, retrieves vignettes of memory to bring 
alive not only his own childhood but an era of Goa that is now past and can 
be relived only in nostalgia. Those bylanes have exited and been silenced by 
time.


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A very vital contribution through this book is that it relives subaltern 
native memories. A malady endemic in Goan writing in English is the 
valorization of its elitism, what one can describe best as the deep but 
vacuous sigh of the Bhatkars. 'O for a time when tomatoes were a paise a 
kilogram' such nostalgic lines are legion in the writings: we become more 
Portuguese than we were, more European than we ever could have been. This in 
turn feeds a contemporary media fallacy. Friends, artists and photographers 
often talk of Goan architectural heritage as 'Portuguese houses'. The 
tourism industry touts the same logic. Dominic work is more important than 
it seems for it opens up Goa's hitherto unexplored West Asia vein and by a 
plethora of seemingly simple details bares open the cultural nuances of how 
'bassurkars' were received.


The Goan worker braving the alien environments of equatorial forests of 
Africa or the bellies of the oceans, or the hot deserts of Arabia has been 
an 'othered' entity not withstanding the fact that his/her toil in alien 
environments has brought home the economic remittances that have partially 
allowed Goa to don its mantle of prosperity. Dominic's book weaves together 
these tendrils of memory to give the Bassurkar or Bomboikar his place in 
history. The pain of absence held together by the slender link of occasional 
letters, the network of departing and arriving workers who helped enchain 
and keep alive family ties. The return of the Bassurkar weighed with the 
privations of life in 'tents in scorching heat' yet glossed over with 
gabardine pants, terelyne shirts roamer, brand wristwatch, gold bracelet, 
rayban glasses and 555 cigarettes drew the critical eye of the Goan elite 
till these early forays paved the way for greater job opportunities in the 
Gulf. Dominic's work provides rich Braudelian details for writing working 
class histories.


Those of us who have grown up on home turf like me will identify with the 
cultural imagery of a Goa now past of memories sweet but excised to a large 
extent from reality. The abundant splattering of konkoni phrases comes as a 
rich offering for one realizes that to awake this 'kundalini' of memory it 
is best done by being true to one's language and cultural expression. Who 
does not remember the first bye- bye to Goa on Panjim jetty, the many knots 
of sea travel and the " Vonk vonk and z

[Goanet] Goa Bishop in San Francisco - Casteism

Hi Cornel,
  Get it into your head once and for all that the caste system will not fly 
away overnight or one early morning. Caste system has nothing to do with 
religion.
  (DO NOT DO THE ALBERT ON US, PLEASE. ie. going on and on endlessly about it).
  Even the sudhir wants to marry into a bamon or chardo zat but not below, so 
do not pick on bamon, bamon all the time, just because you are not one.
  Albert is jealous of our Bishop, You of Bamon, Bandhare of Catholic 
Paedophiles. (Frustrated that you are not one of them).
  Caste following is by choice just like religion is, they cannot mix and never 
will.
  If the Bishop says I'm not sudhir any more, I will say OK, 
(shutupa-your-face-innit).
  What will he do, bury me outside the cemetery gates after I'm dead?
  ED.
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In short, it will not go away by just hoping it will. It needs to
be addressed with a view to closure.


   
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[Goanet] JOBS URGENT FOR GOANS

2007-10-27 Thread Dee - Vona

Dear All,
 
All those interested in jobs, the following is available:
.
1. Engineer - Tendering and marketing for engineering jobs and tenders,
experience in costings and evaluation, Individual should have at least 2 to
3 years experience.
Would like a Goan. Kindly call 0722 776579
 
2. Nanny - The couple has a 3 month old baby and 2 other young children.
They require one to take care of them and to be in charge of the driver, and
maid. Quarters  will be provided for the nanny. The mother travels a lot
thus the need for a nanny who is reliable and flexible. salary negotiable. I
spoke to her and she seems very pleasant and willing to pay well. She would
like a Goan. Kindly call 0722 510452
 
3. Administrator -  will be in charge of the company operations based in
Nairobi office, must be a graduate in commerce and/or in adminstration with
2 to 3 years experience.  Job entails:  co coordinating with the management
and staff, marketing, ensuring the tenders are done, to delegate work to
other staff and ensure  there  work is on point, follow up with banks and
legal matters.
 
 Company: Offices are situated in Nairobi, Kisumu and Juba, Atma
International and Sokhi International. Kindly call 0722 776579 Sokhi.
 
 
4. A Company is looking for an individual who is Portuguese speaking and has
knowledge of Stastical Analysis. For a Permanent position. Kindly call 0722
567867 for more details and enquiries.
 
Kindly note all the above positions are urgent and would like Goans. Thanks
 
For & on behalf of GWS
Dee - Vona
 
 

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Re: [Goanet] British society mentally derranged.............???????????????

I am not sure exactly what it is you are trying to imply.  I was responding to 
a post I read that said the British Society was mentally derranged.  I gave my 
opinion on what is happening in my area and in England as a whole, today, you 
take it out of context.  
   
  There has been a murder of a Goan in the UK but some youths, aged 14 to 17 
and my reaction to the person who posted on this forum was to say that there 
are places, mainly big towns and cities where we have a tremendous problem with 
young people who cause much damage to our society as it is today.
   
  You are however right in calling me Joao, because that is what my birth 
certificate says, it also says much more, which I will not go into but call me 
JOHN please as this is how I have been known since coming back to the UK after 
Independence in 1961.  That's 46 years ago this December coming. You know very 
little about me or how I am, nothing in fact about me but you misread my post, 
select a piece and then rubbish me for the support I have given to this story.
   
  You say I am condoning .."the barbaric act". but dont go into 
details of what it is you think I am condoning. I have NEVER condoned violence, 
either against the person, their beliefs or against property, never!  For you 
to accuse me of this is sheer callousness on your part.
   
  If you cannot illucidate or put more than a couple of mismanaged sentences 
together may I suggest you either go back to school, take evening classes or 
take some time to come up with something a b it more positive and tell us 
EXACTLY what it is you think I am condoning.  I will then respond with pleasure.
   
   I would appreciate it (and no doubt many Goanetters here would also like to 
know), how clearly & on which side you are on in regard to the matter we have 
been discussing, and then come up with something a bit more constructive than 
picking on two Berkshire towns with an "innit" as if to say, "this is so, isn't 
it" but SAY NOTHING to support your post, other than vilify my post...
   
  There are HUNDREDS upon HUNDREDS of towns in the UK with pubs and clubs that 
are over-flowing with drunken youths who cause endless property damage, damage 
to themselves and others, all in the name of drink which our (British) society 
accepts as the norm. 
   
  This week a Goan youth was killed. He was promanading with his friend, 
minding his own business & chatting etc, then for NO REASON at all, he and his 
friend was set upon by a few of these feral youths that are prowling our 
streets in search of what is commonly called a "paki" (they are unable to tell 
the difference between someone who is wearing a Sikh turban and a Hindu wearing 
a turban or a Muslim cap or a Jewish cap, they are unable to tell much 
difference in the languages or know much about anything beyond their own 
"territory", they only notice "the colour of the Paki's skin..."), no different 
to you I am supposing that peoples of the world ARE different, but just because 
they have an opinion, they ought to be demeaned.
   
  Are you Goan?  If yes, from which hierachy do you come from? What is your 
religion?  Where are your parents now?  Where did they come from? I could ask 
you hundreds of questions which are of no constructive use to me, but I do care 
if you care, about human beings & the land, the trees, the places of YOUR 
childhood and the way in which you are (probably) desperately trying to make a 
living, finding ways to keep friendships & relatives through much trauma which 
we all experience these days.
   
  But DO I REALLY care?  Well, only my posts on this forum will supply you with 
YOUR opinion of me, I will not answer my own question, I leave that to your 
conscience. to decide.
  This country has always had a pub or two in towns, maybe more in bigger 
places, but now we are saturated with bars of all dimensions, totally ruining 
the town centres and with it bring problems with some drinking "branded bars & 
clubs" where under-age (under 18) people are regularly served alcohol until it 
comes leaks out of every pore of thier skin!  
   
  Some die to alcohol poisoning, not to mention the problems being stored up 
for liver failure later in life, if not within a few years.  Its not right that 
this is out of control but there are things that can be done to curtail this, 
however this will NOT happen if the POLICE and the LAW MAKERS dont DO 
SOMETHING, in some areas the police are picking up on the NO SMOKING POLICY 
rather than prosecuting the shop-keepers who are selling cheap vodka to 15 year 
olds. Of course the no-smoking policy, whatever your opinion on this, is not as 
urgent as getting the MILLIONS OF LITRES of spirits and wines consumed by 
under-age youths in parks, estates and common areas where other people have to 
use!
   
  Who will stop them?  The police have the  powers to do so.  We have meetings 
where action is being taken at last on these shops, they are revoking

[Goanet] Bail denied to teacher, cops take custody



Bail
denied to teacher, cops take custody 


NT News  Service


Margao, Oct 26 The childrens court judge, Mr Desmond DCosta
today rejected the bail application of the lady school teacher. The court
rejected the bail application primarily because the investigation is at
preliminary stage so also the as the accused was trying to evade arrest.


The Maina-Curtorim police took her into custody after her
anticipatory bail application was rejected. She was taken to the Goa Medical
College (GMC), Bambolim for medical examination. Meanwhile, more
statements of students are being recorded in the case. The medical report of
the boy who filed complaint yesterday was awaited.


http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=10275


 


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Re: [Goanet] Setting Issues straight........

heh heh. read it twice, and had to chuckle, that put some bone in the 
spine!
  John Monteiro
  Berkshire, England
  
The RC church has collected billions of dollars from gullible folks for the 
purpose of charity and alleviating human suffering, and used that money to buy 
justice None of the paedophiles have ever been punished and the 
Pope.
--
Bhandare loosen up! Ever since you've come on the forum you've had nothing else 
to tell us other than the Pope condoning pedophilia and Muslims being 
terrorists. The Church does not "condone" pedophilia or any sexual act for that 
matter. It barely tolerates heterosexual sex on the express condition that 
neither party enjoys it. On Goanet, we usually bring our sense of humour along
with us..
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[Goanet] LETS GET TOGETHER....and start a small revolution ( in the Rome of the east....and change this "cliche" to a point where Rome will be referred to as Goa of the west ) )

2007-10-27 Thread amchemgoem amkamzai

DEAR GOANS,
 ( and i define Goans as not only the people who have lived in Goa for
generations BUT also 1/ those who have come from outside Goa and have
integrated into and contributed to Goan society 2/ those of Goan origin who
live outside Goa,whether in other parts of india or abroadincluding
second and third generation individuals who may not have been born in Goa
in fact any person who is genuinely and sincerely interested in making
Goa a model state for the world to admire..my only exclusion criteria
are the one's who are only interested in Goa for monetary gain in
particular and/or for taking something from Goa without giving anything back
) ,

Once again,let me start by re-capping my core points from my previous
postings before proceeding to the purpose of this mail :
1) I firmly believe we cannot make a long term change for the better in Goa
without changing the body politics of the state ( and this is not an easy
task by any stretch of imagination )
2) The only way we can achieve the above is if we get together,irrespective
of religion,caste,socioeconomic/educational status and current residence (
and here i need to lay emphasis on the fact that even conservative estimates
show that there are approximately 4 to 5 lakhs of Goans who live outside
Goawhich assumes even more significance when the current population of
Goa is only 14-15 lakhs )

I may sound idealistic and overambitious.but i am also a realist (
particularly after the evaluation on the ground that i and my colleagues
have done over the last 2 years or so of every level of  the Goan
socio-political scene over the last 2 odd years ). This is a very difficult
task but i have absolutly no doubt that if we put our collective intellect
together,we can overcome the money and muscle power which is currently
running riot in Goa.We are going to take one step at a timeand although
it may appear oblique without knowing the entire plan ( which i cannot
divulge till i see more unity and less bickering on Goanet ), this is an
extremely crucial juncture in our venture.

I initiated my first posting on Goanet a few weeks back by mentioning the
fact that our motherland is rich in  God given natural resources and tourism
addictive scenic beauty. However, in my personal opinion,in generations to
come ( and long after the inevitable exhaustion of mineral
deposits,concretisation of the greenery,loss of the golden sands on the
beaches), the one factor which can and will sustain Goa is the unique
amalgamation of eastern and western culture. The word "acculturation " as
defined by the Oxford english dictionary has occured in Goa to a perfection
and is the single USP ( unique selling point to those who have had not come
across this business principle before ) which we need to preserve.not
purely from an emotional point of view but more importantly if grandchildren
and great grandchildren...and future generations of Goans are to find a
livelihood in Goa.

Coming to my central issue in this posting ( if you have survived the
ramblings above ) :
Over the last few days,there has been a spurt of postings on Goanet
regarding Romi script Konkani.In my mind, there is grave injustice being
done here ( and the posting by Dotor Fransisco-bab Colaco...which has also
appeared verbatim in todays O Heraldo, highlights the issue ). In my (
humble ) opinion,if we do not act NOW,one of the symbols  of Goan identity (
particularly in context of the paragraph above )  and something the "Niz
Goenkar" should treasure will be lost to posterity in a generation or
two.
I would suggest we initiate a campaign by framing a petition in support of
immediate implementation of equal status for konkani in both romi and
devanagari script and address it to the chief minister of Goa ,leader of the
opposition in Goa and the prime minister of India.All those who support it
can put down their electronic signatures (which should be in the form of
their full name,addressand ideally telephone numbers as well as email
addresses )
If such a campaign is commenced ( and ideally the petition should be written
by apolitical individuals based in Goa ), I  give you all my word of honour
that i will match every signature from those I do not know personally with
one from those who are my friends and colleagues )

Deo Borem Korun / Mog Asundi,
Arjun Eklawya Sadiq-Saldanha

[Goanet] Navy should not make Goa Govt beg for Dabolim land: Naik



Navy should not make Goa Govt
beg for Dabolim land: Naik 


THE HINDU: Saturday, October 27, 2007
: 1405 Hrs


Panaji (PTI): Indian Navy should not make state
government and Airport Authority of India go with a begging bowl before them
for land to expand Dabolim airport in south Goa
district, a Congress MP said here. 


"The land actually belongs to the Government
of Goa and the Indian Navy has not produced any deed of transfer of it when it
was taken over during Goa liberation in 1961," Rajya Sabha member
Shantaram Naik, who is member of state committee looking into feasibility of
new airport in Goa, said on Saturday. 


With serious doubts being raised on proposed
international airport at Mopa in north Goa,
the state government is following up their plans of Dabolim airport expansion
which can accommodate more traffic. 


After an intense agitation opposing Mopa airport
in the state, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh had constituted a committee headed
by state Chief Minister to decide on the issue. 


Naik, a member of the committee, demanded that
Dabolim airport should have a bigger Integrated Passenger Terminus than the one
planned which can cater to not more 1,000 passengers per day. 


Daily traffic at the airport being around 4,000,
Dabolim should have a passenger terminus for catering to at least 3000
passengers, if on account of constraint of land availability a bigger terminus
cannot be constructed, the MP said. 


Naik said that in reply to an unstarred question
asked by him in the Rajya Sabha, the Defence Minister had replied that post
liberation of Goa in 1961, Dabolim Airport was handed over to the Ministry of
Defence by an order of the then Military Governor. 


"The Ministry of Defence has, accordingly,
title of 1,687.51
 acres of land in Dabolim Airport
since April 9, 1962, he noted. 


http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/002200710271422.htm


 


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Re: [Goanet] Paan Piss and Panaji

2007-10-27 Thread Vidyadhar Gadgil

> From: Bhandare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [Goanet] Paan Piss and Panaji
> 
> I had quoted a part of the Broken Peace report and
> asked Gadgil for a clarification. Discerning
> Goanetters must have noticed how he has refused to
> respond
> 
> I hope vidyadhar will consider this as a polite
> reminder to answer the question I had asked him
> 
> regards

Mr. Bhandare, you ask innumerable questions per day. When facts
and the necessary information are provided, you just wait for some
time and then ask the same questions all over again. And it goes
on and on in this fashion.

You may enjoy asking the same question over and over again,
irrespective of what facts are provided to you, but I certainly
have better things to do than answer the same questions all the
time. Unless you have something fresh to say, I am not getting
into this any further. And if your 'something fresh' is about the
horrific revelations on Tehelka about Gujarat, please direct your
questions to the staff at Tehelka or to Ravi Shankar Prasad, the
BJP spokesperson, who says that the persons caught on spycam may
just have been "boasting". (I am still trying to make sense of
that one. Boasting!?)

As to Broken Peace, do a search of the goanet archives for the
past one and a half years. The topic has been extensively debated
on this forum, and you will find all your questions answered in
the archives.

-- 
Question everything -- Karl Marx

Re: [Goanet] Bishop/Diocese.

2007-10-27 Thread CORNEL DACOSTA

Hi Bosco
   Please see interspersed responses.
  Cornel

Bosco D'Mello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Thu Oct 25 01:46:18 PDT 2007, CORNEL DACOSTA wrote:

> Irrespective of whether he may receive answers or not, Albert
> de Souza has an inalienable human right to seek information
> about the finances relating to the office of the Bishop of Goa.

  CORNEL: This response of mine was a specific reply to Eric Pinto who had 
absurdly claimed that Albert had "forfeited his right" to seek info about 
Church finances.

RESPONSE: Then by the same logic Kishore Kumar in Bihar and Ataullah 
in Ratnagiri have an inalienable human right to seek information about the 
finances relating to the office of the Bishop of Goa?

  CORNEL: My logic related specifically to the point made by Eric Pinto. It was 
particularistic and not generalistic. Whether the logic applies to Kishore is 
debatable but I would not make such a claim. I think my logic is pretty clear 
and specific to the context in which I made it re Eric Pinto. Do think about it!

what is this "Albert de Souza has an inalienable human right" vis-a-vis the 
Bishop of Goa?

I'll agree that Albert has an inalienable right to write utter nonsense here 
at Goanet, until the Rules are changed.

  CORNEL: I don't agree much with what Albert says but I am damned if  I accept 
 Eric Pinto's explanation that Albert has "forfeited his right" to make an 
enquiry. Is Eric some kind of oracle? Perhaps you are being misled in this 
discussion and should focus on Eric's contention. Please, will you do so?

> whenever and wherever monies are involved one key principle
> is accountability whether by convention or legal requirement
> Any 'infringement' of this principle risks putting individuals
> and institutions into disrepute.The Catholic Church is not exempt
> from this kind of requirement in Goa

RESPONSE: Are you certain the Catholic Church in Goa has not met its legal 
accountability requirements? If it has not, what legal statutes has the 
Catholic Church violated?

  CORNEL: Not for a moment have I said or am I saying that the Catholic Church 
in Goa has not met its financial obligations to whomsoever it matters. I am 
simply questioning Eric Pinto's contention that it is not necessary to do 
because of his totally unrelated example from America. Did you not note his 
absurd example of the woman who left money for some institution? I am surprised 
you do not ask the simple question as you seem to ask me about the thread and 
relevance to Eric.

> Interestingly, Fr Loiola, working for the Bishop's Office,
> did volunteer on Goanet, some information on the matter.

RESPONSE: Fr Loiola is a fine man and may I suggest you visit him at Altinho 
on one of your future visits to Goa instead of "ringing" him from the UK.

  CORNEL: Fr Loiola may indeed be a fine man as you say and I don't doubt you 
for a moment. Unfortunately however, despite several reminders, he failed to 
reply to me even privately and even out of simple courtesy. Is this what a fine 
man normally does? I doubt it! Further, I don't need to visit him in Altinho or 
anywhere. I can, if I choose to,  ring him just as he can ring me if he so 
chooses as he has two numbers of mine!. The matter cuts both ways without 
privileging anybody. Why on earth did you think there was any onus on me, even 
suggestively,  to visit him in Goa? Is there some kind of one-way expectation? 

> Indeed, the Vatican has a poor reputation on the principle of
> financial accountability

RESPONSE: This thread is about the visit of the Archbishop of Goa to San 
Francisco that has left some in a tizzy. Drawing the Vatican into this 
thread is a misnomer.

CORNEL: Not at all my dear Bosco. The proposition of non accountability in Goa 
as tacitly implied by Eric Pinto is highly questionable. As the Vatican has got 
itself in several messes over financial accountability, I am sure we would not 
want it to get into a further mess by one of its constituent churches in Goa by 
not perhaps having financial accountability. The same applies when a single 
priest in any part of the world gets criminalised because of  paedophilia. The 
Vatican can't say ah but that happened well outside the Vatican. The business 
of the Church whether in Timbuktu or anywhere around the globe does impinge on 
the Vatican on a range of matters and especially financial. 

CORNEL: Finally, I wonder Bosco if you rushed your response to me because very 
very  unusually, I could not agree with anything you said in your response post.

[Goanet] On Panjim's Traffic Woes - A Proposal

2007-10-27 Thread Rajan P. Parrikar


To Goanet -

I have empirically observed that the the quality of breathable air in Panjim 
has diminished discernibly in the past 5 years. Is any environmental NGO 
systematically documenting data about this? (Let me guess: no). The 
degradation is a direct consequence of the dramatic increase in motorized 
vehicles since 2002 or so. A walk through Panjim used to be one of life's 
delicious pleasures. Today it has become a hazard to life & limb, not to 
mention the tympanic membrane.


Can anything be done about it? The answer is: Yes. But the "yes" comes with 
several riders. It will take a multidisciplinary collaborative effort. The 
ingredients will involve bold, innovative ideas, judicious town planning, 
engineering expertise, sound political leadership to buy into and implement 
the proposal, and societal will & discipline to sustain it. In other words, 
it will never happen.


In broad stokes I will table my proposal.

I draw inspiration from what I have seen in cities like Zurich, Singapore, 
and across America, while recognizing that the solution will have to be 
tailored to our local needs & conditions, and come within the ambit of our 
financial resources (although, if one were to calculate the extent of the 
robbery of the state treasury by our elected representatives over the years, 
funds ought not to be an issue).


The basic idea is as follows:

Define Zone 1 to be the heart of Panjim (church square and surrounds) and 
mandate it to be a pedestrian-only zone, with all motorized traffic verboten 
there. Service vehicles replenishing supplies to businesses to be allowed 
before 9 am and after 9 pm. Allowance for emergency situations.


A second outer layer Zone 2 to be defined: no private vehicles allowed, but 
public transport to be introduced in the form of open golf-like buggies 
(only bigger & longer), operating with regularity and with stop points every 
200-300 metres (Zurich has electric trams that operate on the same 
principle). Design of the buggy is an engineering problem and will come with 
appropriate modular modifications for the monsoon season.


A third outermost layer Zone 3: private vehicles allowed but only upon 
payment of a premium. Public transport to be similar to that of Zone 2. The 
idea is to discourage casual use of vehicles and encourage use of public 
transport. Want to use your car? Then be prepared to pay a non-trivial 
surcharge.


The zoning will be a key issue and has to be crafted thoughtfully. There 
will be people affected, those living in these zones - special provisions to 
be made for them. Rickshaw wallahs will be affected - suitable alternatives 
to be provided to them (perhaps absorb them into the public transport 
system). And so on. It will be impossible to satisfy everyone, but the 
guiding principle should be the greatest good of the greatest number.


There will be access conduits into and out of the city at all times - Panjim 
is lucky to have a natural getaway, the Dayanand Bandodkar Marg. In fact, 
Panjim, thanks to the Portuguese, already has the layout to implement a plan 
of this sort.


The benefits will be enormous: savings in petrol, improvement in the quality 
of air, the city will become a much quieter and pleasant place, and since 
people will be forced to walk, improvement in overall public health comes 
for the ride.


I emphasize that the foregoing is a conceptual model. The details will have 
to be fleshed out. Many heads and hands will have to come together. If you 
wish to criticize the above, you may write to me. I will respond only if you 
have something to say that I have myself not thought of. I have had a lot of 
time to think about this and it is very likely that I have already seen your 
"What about XYZ?" knee-jerk question.


The current thinking in official circles is appalling. They want to convert 
heritage buildings into parking lots. As if that will solve anything. The 
retarded donkeys.


Again, I don't see anything positive happening. Based on available evidence, 
modern Indians are incapable of instituting processes and systems. What I 
see in Panjim's future are more vehicles, more accidents, more injuries on 
the road, more cacophony, polluted air, and a swarm of ghatis. That should 
warm the cockles of your heart.



Warm regards,

r

[Goanet] Kushawati River oozing muggy water

2007-10-27 Thread JOAO FERNANDES

The mining companies operating in hinterlands of Quepem and Sanguem talukas 
are all out to destroy the kushawati River which is the main source of water 
to number of "kulagars" situated on its bank and which is the main source of 
water to Paroda irrigation Canal.


The Kushawati River which is flowing through Quepem town is since last 3 
days oozing muggy water though there is no rain in the hinterlands of Quepem 
and sanguem these days.


The oozing of muggy water is  attributed to the unplanned mining activities 
going on  in the hinterlands of Quepem and Sanguem which are increased many 
hold in the last few years.  The muggy water in the kushawati River can be 
seen upto Sulcorna, beyond Sulcorna  the water the normal. How can muggy 
water today  flow into the river as it has not been rained yesterday night 
at Colomba and in the adjoining areas questions  one Soiru Sawant a resident 
of Colomba.


During my childhood I have not seen such a muggy water flowing into the 
Kushawati river river even when it was  raining heavily. The mining 
Companies stores the muggy water into the mining pit and when it is 
accumulates in the pit they find difficult to operate the mine so by opening 
the mouth of the mining pit they   released the muddy water from the mine 
into the river which is the easiest way for the mine owners   Informed said 
Soiru further.


Due to the  flow of  muggy water in the river these days the fish living in 
the  river struggles to survive as it is seen that the fish were floating on 
the water , these days the water of the river is so muddy that  it  is even 
unworthy for the cattle's to drinks complaints one John Cardozo  a resident 
of Quepem who apart from  residing on the bank of the Kushawati river owns 
cattle's .


If this situation continues further the kushawati river which was known for 
its guilty will lost its charm apprehends the villagers of Quepem.


Photos by John Fernandes:
http://www.goanet.org/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=33

[Goanet] APKP presented to B.E.Mendes

2007-10-27 Thread pratap naik


APKP Presented to B.E.Mendes

At a gathering on October 25, 2007 at Thomas Stephens Konknni Kendr (TSKK), 
Porvorim TSKK presented the "Antonio Pereira Konknni Puroskar" to its 
seventeenth recipient Mr. Bernardino Evaristo Mendes for his contribution to 
Konknni literature, for the last sixty-two years.  Fr.Antimo Gomes, the 
Parish Priest of Church of Immaculate Conception, Panaji presented the 
award, consisting of a shawl, memento besides a cheque of Rs. 25,000/-
The function began with a prayer song sang by Mr. Gurudas Kalangutkar a 
composition of Mr. Bonaventure D'Pietro followed by one minutes silence 
prayer to the departed soul of Fr. Moreno D, Souza, the founding member of 
TSKK.  Speaking on the occasion Dr. Pratap Naik, S.J. Director of the TSKK 
informed the audience that the award is given to any person who has made 
substantial contribution to Konknni irrespective of the script, caste and 
creed of the recipient.  The money has been collected from the public mostly 
lovers of Konknni in Roman script.


Mr. Bernardino Evaristo Mendes shared his few experiences about how he sold 
Konknni books in Mumbai by going house to house.Fr Antimo Gomes, the 
Chief Guest stressed the need of speaking Konknni among natives and 
preserving its culture.  Mr. Rabin D'Pietro entertained the gathering by 
singing Konknni film songs. Ms. Preeta Naik was the anchor of the function 
while Shilpa Salvi gave a brief history of the recipient Mr. B. E. Mendes , 
and Netra Kundaikar proposed vote of thanks.



On this occasion Mr. B. E. Mendes released the twelfth issue of Sod a 
Konknni research bulletin of TSKK.  This issue of Sod consists articles 
Konknni sahityacho moila fator; Franciscan contribution to Konknni by Shilpa 
Salvi;  Bhas ani Bhugoll by Dr Matthew Almeida; Gaspar de São Miguel; Notes 
on the study of Indian languages by the Franciscans by Achilles Meersman; 
The contribution of Jesuits to education and Konknni in Goa by Pratap Naik 
and the evaluation of this paper by Dr Kyoko Matsukawa; Romanticism 
revisited by Dr. K. Shripad Bhat; Multi-Culturalism and Language by Marion 
Valladares Smith; Language and beyond by Eduardo Faleiro and Composite 
Culture in a multicultural society a paper presented at World Book Fair 
Seminar.  Sod is available at TSKK.


Pratap Naik, S.J.
Director
THOMAS STEPHENS KONKNNI KENDR
B.B. Borkar Road
Alto Porvorim, Goa 403 521
Estd. 29-03-1982. Reg. No. 23/Goa/82
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Goanet] TALK: The Snakes of Goa

2007-10-27 Thread Goanet Events


Literati invites you to a session on

The Snakes of Goa

by

Rahul Alvares

Sunday, 28th October 2007 at 11.30 a.m.

There will be a slide presentation followed by a discussion.

The talk will cover different aspects described in his book 'The Call of the 
Snake' including how to identify snakes, myths about snakes, how to deal 
with snake bites etc.


Rahul's travels through the snake world of India which resulted in his book 
Free From School in which he describes the benefits of his year away from 
school shall naturally be a essential part of his presentation.


For those of you who don't know Rahul, Rahul learnt snake handling at the 
Pune snake park, spider rearing at Madras, and croc handling under Romulus 
Whitaker at the Croc bank in Mammallapuram. Rahul has been retrieving snakes 
from human habitations in north Goa for the last eleven years and has 
rescued more than 800 snakes. He also edits an on-line newsletter on this 
work called The Creepy Times - 
http://www.geocities.com/rahulsnakesite/creepy.html



http://www.literati-goa.com/

[Goanet] Global Goan Seniors Directory

2007-10-27 Thread John D'Souza


Global Goan Seniors Directory
Free Listing

The Directory will be released  in the Fall of 2008 and is part of the "Save 
Goa" * initiative.


By listing their names in the Directory, Goan Seniors will be making a 
statement:


- They are here and are part of the local and worldwide seniors community.
- They value their Goan heritage .
- They are concerned for the well being of Goa and can be counted on for 
support to keep Goa - Goan.


The new directory is a not-for-profit venture and will be a sequel to Goan 
Directories published in 2001+ 1997, & 1988 by Celaz Print Shop of Toronto.


These have served the community well, with new version in the works.

How Can You Support ?

- Fill in the form on reverse, sign it, place in the drop-box at your 
seniors event, or mail it to the address given below.
- Or email information requested on the form to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Or on the Internet access www.goanseniors.net/seniorsdirectory/ and 
complete the form on-line.



For more information and business advertising Contact Address:

Celaz Print Shop
2 Green Spring Drive, Toronto, Ontario M1V 2B1
call (416) 292 1653 - Fax: (416) 292-0776
or email :[EMAIL PROTECTED]

* See Save Goa : 
http://www.goanvoice.ca/2007/issue20/newslinecanada.htm#nlc1

+ see http://www.goacom.com/goanow/2001/aug/goabooks.html



Complete Form for Free Listing:

1. Name (or Names)_

2. Address:  House/Apt # / Street _

3. City:___

4. State/Province_

5. Postal Code: __

6. Country
7. Phone :H  _ C_: ___
8. Email: ___(Optional)

9. Signature(s)___

10. Reserve Copies of Directory : Y__ # of copies  N___

You can list relatives and friends below. Signature block must be completed.
Complete Form for Free Listing:

1. Name (or Names)_

2. Address:  House/Apt # / Street _

3. City:___

4. State/Province_

5. Postal Code: __

6. Country
7. Phone :H  _ C_: ___
8. Email: ___( Optional)

9. Signature(s)___

10. Reserve Copies of Directory : Y__ # of copies  N___

Re: [Goanet] Manohar parrikar - right choice for CM

2007-10-27 Thread Mervyn Lobo

Bhandare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Your sentiments are riht on target.Parrikar is the
most dynamic and honest politician we have right now
Politics is neve as easy as choosing between good and
bad, rather it is the tough choice between the lesser
of two evils...
-
 
Folks,
Parrikar is a honest politician and we have the choice between the lesser of 
two evils? 
Reminds me of the Dale Carnegie quip; "Flattery is telling the other person 
precisely what he thinks about himself."
 
Mervyn3.0


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[Goanet] your unanswered questions

2007-10-27 Thread Bhandare

Contrary to the popular belief on goant I am not a HJS
member but I think tthat the aim of hindu jan jagruti
samiti is to bring about an awareness in the hindu
society about the problems facing it...

it also seeks to unite all hindus irrespective of
their caste to create a strong hindu samaj..such a
mobilization would be ultimately useful for political
benefit.

whether this cause is worthy or not is for each one to
decide

regards
B

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Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 2, Issue 975_Death by popot

No Selma, its not the cost at all. But I hear you. Its the sheer
irritation -- although I am pretty even handed emotionally (at least I
think so) of buying books, and even in a minuscule way helping his
book sell. Also no one should ruin their Christmas. In my world money
is not the issue. Although I am not of means, considering my
perspectives and the manner in which I practice my profession; am
indeed of sufficient means and ways, to be able to do what I really
must. : ) Such as buying a $400 brush, or studying Shodo and the high
certification fees that go with it as one rises in the ranking. That
aside, as past works have proved, this guy continues to be a misery
--- we have to contend with. OK, I will make haste and read what
further insults he is heaping (more likely heaving)  from his
Christian Dalda dabba.

The amazing thing is, as one develops a track record (whatever that
may be), ones word carries weight in certain circles. His does among
the idiots and the smoke and mirror gang. Furthermore, from time to
time we hear of "but he was a Reagan speech writer" as if to imply to
his detractors -- tum kitem ulloita, tuven kitem kelam, tum mattchen
sovaskai ghe ani ugi bos. Sooner or later we may hear this line again.
Hopefully never on this forum, but I am not going to chase anyone for
being impressed by DDS. I will however post my bit just for you when I
am done reading and anoiting myself with sandalwood oil high on my
forehead, in the region of my third eye. He truly is a waste.

Venantius

Selma wrote:
> Come on Venatius, how much could the book cost? :-)
> About $20 (marked down to $12 by Christmas) at B&N.

Re: [Goanet] My interest in human anatomy

2007-10-27 Thread Bosco D'Mello


On Fri Oct 26 01:47:40 PDT 2007, Cecil Pinto wrote:


In the end it works and we do churn out young
people with far greater knowledge and skills 
than those in the West.


RESPONSE: Hey..Goa is on the West coast on India!! Has it moved?

".and that is why we should brush our teeth twice 
a day and maintain oral hygiene, else our teeth 
will decay and fall off."


RESPONSE: So has Bonzo learned to brush his teeth yet?


- B :-))

[Goanet] Manohar Parrikar and the BJP -- A Good expose Floriano

2007-10-27 Thread cedrico dacosta

Manohar Parrikar and the BJP -- A Good expose Floriano

I fully agree to Anamika's post (if a lady by that name actually exists or is 
not another spin doctor of Porrikar). Porikar is a good administrator and if he 
personally came around at 2 am to supervise the works at IFFI...i would say 
that speaks volumes of his commitments, but on the other hand i wonder if he 
was interested in the project or the bounty he is alleged to have made post it.

I knew Porikar since early 90s when he was a fire brand leader of opposition, 
and came as a change to the Goans as the then leader of opposition Ramakhant 
Khalap was totally bought over by Rano and the Congress and acted as a pro 
congress man whilst still in the MGP, and worse while still holding the offices 
and enjoying the priveledges of the offices of the leader of opposition.

Parrikar, came as a whiff of fresh air...but as the years rolled by we realised 
and saw the true colours of a desperate RSS chaddiwallah, who tried to 
successfully camoufledge the people into believing that his colours were 
anything but safforn.

But along with the first traces of success the added colours melted and exposed 
more and more of the safforn original. The true colours of the Parrikar were 
observed when he stumped the MGP and almost destroyed the regional outfit, next 
he took Dotor Willy -- the ever so desperate kodel seeker for a huge ride, then 
Sardinha, then the Mandarin hotel case, the Governor's arcade destruction, the 
Bishop's palace, the harrasment of the minorities using the police force, etc 
etc etcthe list is endless and did not stop at forging the signature of the 
Neri.

All through he had good assistance from the likes of Digamber kamat and his 
other BJP associates.

But it was not the BJP that made the frankestein called Parriker...it was the 
Congress and in particular the former chief minister Pratapsingh Rane. 

The latest preys of Parrikar is none other than the south Goa BJP candidate for 
the parlimentary election -- Dr Wilfred Meaquita!

Yesterday, the BJP has publicly announced at Margao's Lohia Maidan that if the 
Congress withdraws the SEZs, they will withdraw Dr Wilfred Mesquita as its 
candidate? This shows how serious the BJP is about the forthcoming elections 
and also how much of a puppet has Dr Wilfred Mesquita been already reduced even 
before the battle has begun, what he will be later on is anybody's guess.

Parrikar and the BJP has taken Goan politics to the dogs...to ground 
levels...Parrikar at one time denounced the likes of  churchill and babush only 
to get into an alliance with them post elections.

All the fake colours of secularism that parrikar painted himself with initially 
are now washed away by the power of his many sins...

So in the present scnario when the Goan masses have woken up to the fact that 
the Congress is evil, the bigger evil lurking around is people like 
Porrikar...and trust me -- corruption at a level is tolerable but not the 
menace of communial politics.

See what Narendra Modi has done to Gujarat...I feel Porrikar was responsible 
for the Curchorem riots and the congress under Rane let him off the hook easily.

And this is the Porrikar and BJP we are trying to give a second chance?

Regards

Cedric da Costa
Dubai

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[Goanet] Re.Dean D'Cruz to inspect Cidade de Goa violations at Vainguinim beach

2007-10-27 Thread Miguel Braganza

Dears,

The Vainguinim beach in Taleigao is a peculiar case. It was a village
panchayat area that was made a part of the City of Panaji under the
Panaji Municipal Council [PMC] during the first phase of the Parrikar
regime with Mayem MLA Prakash Phadte as the TCP Minister. The
classification of the area changed from CRZ-III [Rural] to CRZ-II
[Urban] almost overnight.

In 2002 elections, the much demonised "Sultan of Taleigao" promised
his electorate that he would make Taleigao a Village again. he won the
elections, made a deal with Parrikar, became the TCP Minister and made
Taleigao a Village Panchayat inspite of Parrikar making the PMC into a
bogus Corporation vide an Act of 2003 that is still under dispute.
Since 2003, the Parrikar, Rane and now the Digu-bab led Governments
conveniently forgot to inform the GCZMA and NCZMA that Taleigao is a
village once more and so is Vainguinim beach. Four years is not such a
long time ... or is it?

Somewhere in 2000, the Central Government notified that the mouth of
the Zuari is MPT jurisdiction. MPT advertised that in  October, 2007,
and the Goa Govt. took offence to it ...because it not only includes
the Cidade de Goa area but also the Aldeia de Goa area and the
all-important Jesus Nazareth chapel area in Siridao.. The Fomento
group will come a cropper  and this may foment trouble for the Goa
Government of Digu-bab.

The Monserrate pair playing hell with the Cidade de Goa sewage pipes
allegedly discharging untreated sewerage into the Zuari river and
Arabian Sea was bad enaough. The Vaiguinim Valley residents wanting
access to the Vainguinim beach that Cidade de Goa treats like its
"Mokaso" since the days of Somnath Zuarkar as the humble "Sir Punch"
of Taleigao is worse. The Cidade people thought he was god of the
Zuari spirits [Soma] till Babush Monserrate showed him the door and
kicked his butt out ..quite permanently.

Today, Babush has rightly become the "Ganv'cho Rakhandar" [never a Dev
as per Goan tradition, but always a Dev'char !!] and Zuarkar has
become taddi-par. Will the City folks worship the village god? Or will
the "naked one" of the Devas protect them from all the Dev'chars??

It is time for the people residing in Goa to rally round the truth.
Today the Truth is on the side of Babush and Jenifer Monserrate 
and the Taleigao Village Panchayat . in Vainguinim Beach, Taleigao
V.P..

The "linear wall" built horizontally as a "jetty" instead of
vertically as a compound wall is for Architect Dean D'Cruz [Chairman
of Insititute of Architects-Goa Chapter and also a member of the Goa
Bachao Abhiyan] and Adv. Ryan Menezes to decide.

The Cidade folks seem to be taking the joke of a woman and a piano all
the way across the wall  when it is not upright, it is Grand.



Jetty, any body? A visit to the coral islands of Pequeno and Grande
awaits you! Some of our politicians would love to take off there. Why
are thses pesky guys from Vainguinim asking inconvenient questions? Do
they not know it is election time in South Goa? What happened to their
Sucegad nature??

Mog asundi.

Miguel

Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:18:58 +0530
From: "Goanet News" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] NEWS:Dean D'Cruz to inspect Vaiguinim beach site...


D'Cruz to inspect Vaiguinim beach site...

By A Staff Reporter
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Gomantak Times, Oct 26, 2007

PANJIM: Architect Dean D'Cruz and advocate Ryan Menezes have been
appointed by the Goa High Court of Bombay at Goa to inspect a
controversial site on the Vaiguinim beach.

While the petitioners, the residents of Vaiguinim valley, allege that
it is a PCC structure on the beach, the respondents Formento Resorts &
Hotels (Cidade de Goa) claim that it is not a structure but a linear
wall. The two would have to inspect the site on or before November 27.

It may be recalled that appalled by the illegalities committed by
Formento Resorts & Hotels and angry with the lackadaisical attitude
and inaction of various government agencies to prevent such
illegalities, the residents of Vaiguinim valley had approached the
High Court.

According to the petitioners, the entire beach is occupied by deck
beds, beach umbrellas and barbeque platforms.

Moreover, Formento Resorts (Cidade de Goa) have erected a private jetty
right into the Zuari river for the purpose of water sports activities;
a shed right upto the beach through which Formento Resorts operate
water sports activities and another shed erected upon rocks a few
metres away from River Zuari, wherein a generator plant and equipment
is installed.

The petitioner also informed the Court that some locations on the
beach are utilized for the purpose of dumping of garbage, to release
sewage into river Zuari, besides constructing a PCC structure tank etc
10 to 15 mts away from the sandy portion of the beach, private
chambers in public nallah and setting up swewage treatment plant very
close to residential buildings in Machados Cover and across the public
nallah.



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