Re: [Goanet] Prof. M.S. Kamat - Mauvin Godinho and 'PursuingPeople's Dreams
Dear Venantius, I know my weaknesses. And most of all I know I am not infallible. When I make a genueine mistake, I like to apologize for it in the understanding that the same mistake will not be repeated. This is important especially (as I have said earlier) there is a new (political) robe to be stitched for our dear mother Goa and we, the ones who have the needles in hand to do just that, cannot afford to have boot-lickers in the assembly line. Thank you for you appreciative note floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Venantius Pinto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 2:55 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Prof. M.S. Kamat - Mauvin Godinho and 'PursuingPeople's Dreams Dear Floriano, A superb and conscientious post. Well said.. venantius From: "floriano" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Prof. M.S. Kamat - Mauvin Godinho and 'Pursuing People'sDreams (The only response I was getting from Prof. Kamat was Yes, yes and yes)
[Goanet] Aitaracheo Katkutleo: 'Sorry! No Parking Zone'
Sorry! No Parking Zone. Lapittachi bail nidpachi toyari kortana, bed-iche lagsor koddelir bosun paper vachpi apnnalea ghorkarak ganjil musa porim ek kuns marchelem tika dislem. Vachinastana tea disachi kosli-i gozal Navhind Times-acher chukon urli zalear, ti vachlea xivai Lapitt nidunk vochonaslo. Disalear chappun ail’li ti ek lhanxi gozal zait. Punn, te khobrek Lapittachi bail arlem-losun laun suad ditana Lapittachem mostok mat, tiksamnin ulpaitali. “Tum mhaka khal sangatalo amche gayek ani songitkar Remo baban, Dabolim vimantola lagsor, tachi Hyundai Gezt gaddi No Parking Zone zagear dovorlele khatir, taka bhouch tras ani upott dhondd farik korcho poddtolo mhunn. Punn aichea disaleancher, chiri-miri 100 rupia dhondd farik korun ani Hyundai gaddiesoit tacho V sign ditolo fottu chappun aila.” “Punn ek vhodd xikil’le ani on’toraxttrik famad songitkaran lokachea jiva kodden khellop ani surokxea ibaddop mhunnchem ek lojechi gozal.” “Punn tannem apli oddchon CISF (Central Industrial Security Force) odhikareak kolloileli.” Remochi bazu ghevn Lapittachi bail uloili. “Monis kedoi vhodd zaum. Kaide mhonntat te soglleank ek sarkele astat. Az taka nanvosto ‘pop star’ mhunn oxoch soddun dil’lo zalear falleam khorele ‘bomb blast stars’ bomb-sfott korpa sarkelo gaddi ‘no parking zone’ zagear soddun vetele. Tednam inosent lokacho jiv luksonan poddtolo.” “Mhaka-i bhi konnacho-i jiv luksannank ghelolo naka. Punn, amcho Remo baban apli vollok dil’li astanai-i vimantollache surokxa samballpi odhikareamni tachem magnnem kannar dovorunk na. Remo-che zagear, Gõy luttpi, chor-beiman Montri aslo zalear, tachi red-light pettleli gaddi polloun ani salam marun koslich surokxechi topasnni korinastana vochunk dita asle.” Lapittachi bail rajkarnnanchi ttika marit uloili. “Porche disa Benglure ani Ahmedabad fattat-fatt bomb-sfott zalelean Bharotachea mukhel zageancher ani odhik korun vimantollancher surokxa vaddounk koddok huhum dil’lo asa, ani Gõyantu-i mottea promonnan lagu kela. Zaum to Remo vo dusre namneche mon’xamni (celebrities) surokxa pallchele kaide poile apnavun, dusreank bori dekh diunk zai.” “Mumbai vochpachem viman ‘Jet Airways’ suntpacho vell zalelean thakttichea boballar tannem chukun apli gaddi thoddea sekenddam khatir No Parking Zone dovorleli tedna CISF odhikareamni BDS (Bomb Disposal Squad) hankam fone kelo. Ani kitem kai mhonnlear bomb sodpea thaim bomb sodunk favo teo vostu nasleleo khoim. Ani oxe toren khorele bomb dovortolea zagear vochun BDS kitem kortele kai? Hem chintun fuddarak public zagear vochpachi hanvem nakarlam” “Puro, puro chodd zalem tujem. Uloita te toren VVIP (Very, Very Important Person) dista tum” “Goddie hanv sorkarak vo publikak nhoi zait. Punn mhojea ghorkarak ani bhurgeank ek khoreli VIP ghorkarn’n ani avoy zaun asam Benglur ani Ahmedabad bomb-sfottan khubuch inosent lok mela. Tanche jivitan konn tori tim aplea mogacheank VIP aslim. Remo baban apli vollok dili astamna-i vimantollache surokxa samballpi aikonant tedna apli motor-gaddi thoinch soddun gorjechea kama khatir Mumbai vochunk gelo to. Remo-nk bori vangnnunk diunk na kori, punn tache Hyundai motor-gaddiek mat soglli zotnay gheun Vasco pulis thannar veli ani gaddi mat surokxitt urli. Itlem nattok korun xevottak zoitivont konn zalo? Ani ek aik. Apnnali gaddi ani apunn trasant poddla mhunn, Remo-n khoincha-i Gõychea pochpochit rajkarnnink (politicians) fone korun adhar magunk na. Velean, Goyche sorkarache dolle ugoddle.” “Tor te koxe?” “Gaddieche fattlea sitar kale ronganche ek bag aslem khoim. Goddie to bomb zait mhunn vimantollachea sekurittink dislem, ani tannim tabortob BDS hankam fone korun kolit kelem. Bomb sodpacheo favo teo vostu nasun ani asat teo kamank upkaronant tosleo pornneo (outdated) vostu ghevn BDS Ponnje thavn Dabolim vimantollar pavunk don horam laglim khoim. Zori khorelea akantvadeamni Gõychea khoinchea-i zagear bhirantkull bomb-sfottachem chaddor ghalit zalear Bomb Disposal Squad kitem kortele kai? Goycho sorkar atam tori uttholo ani Gõyche porjecho jiv surokxit dovortolo?” “Atam tujem somptelem vo ratbhor CD vazot asteli?” Lapittan vachtolo paper mezar soddun apli tokli unxear dovortana mhonnlem. “Hanvem dilea ti tablet lagli kitem tuka? Sarkem uloilear tuka rag ieta. Borem! Sust nide. Boa noite”, ani tinnem rumantli bizli paloili. Khalok gup zalo. Bhailean pavsachi xirxiri zhoddtali. Kiri-kiri korit rat-kiddio roddtaleo ani pois ravun-ravun sunneancheo bobo aikunk yetaleo. Zoglavmnne marun ghoddghoddeacho avaz ietalo. Eka vellar ghoddghoddeacho avaz matso voddlean ailo tedna Lapitt baile islean portolo ani xant moneaponnachem vattoront bigoddlem. “Kitem sonspotta?” Lapittache bailen vicharlem. “Parking korunk svatt sodtalom.” “Nokoi tum? He dis mhagele No Parking Zone –ache mhunn?” Lino B. Dourado
Re: [Goanet] Save Goa crusader Oscar quits GBA (Gomantak Times)
Wasn't Rajan Parrikar the first to call for Oscar Rebello's resignation from the GBA a few months ago? Is Rajan a man ahead of his times? Regards, George --- On Sat, 8/2/08, Goanet News <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > By A Staff Reporter > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > PANJIM: Disparate forces with the Goa Bachao Abhiyan (GBA) > have finally forced the resignation of its convenor Oscar > Rebello.
[Goanet] "Creating A Child Friendly Classroom"
In connection with GOA SUDHAROP's YEAR OF EDUCATION theme Vidya Vikas Academy (ICSE) Margao & Goa Sudharop present "Creating A Child Friendly Classroom" - (a teachers training program) on Saturday, August 9, 2008 from 9am to 5pm at Vidya Vikas Academy, School Hall, 2nd floor, VVM Campus, G.R. Kare Road, Tansor, Comba, Margao, Goa. Participants: 60 teachers from various schools The workshop aims at increasing skills to handle emotional and behaviour issues in children, as well as create awareness about management of stress in teachers. The focus will be on practical strategies, taking actual examples and case studies from schools. Methods of training will include group discussions, lectures, case discussions and skill building exercises. Resource Persons: Dr, Nandita de Souza (Pediatrician) Dr. Priti Bakre (Child Psychiatrist) (from Sethu Centre for Child Development & Family Guidance, Altinho, Goa) Topics: - Case Discussions - Handling behaviour problems in school children - Classroom Management Skills - creating an atmosphere of mutual caring and respect - Discipline policies for schools - Stress Management for teachers Programme: 0800 - 0900 - Registration 0900 - 0930 - Inauguration & Introductions 0930 - 1100 - Behaviour Management (Part I) 1100 - 1130 - Coffee Break] 1130 - 1300 - Behaviour Management (Part II) 1300 - 1400 - Lunch Break 1400 - 1500 - Discipline Policies for Schools 1500 - 1600 - Stress Management for teachers 1600 - 1615 - Tea Break 1615 - 1645 - Question Time 1645 - 1700 - Wrap Up and Presentation of Certificates For additional information please contact Mr. Ibonio D'Souza at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you to all involved for making this program possible. Alan Rodrigues Melinda Powell Vidya Vikas Academy Goa Sudharop, www.goasudharop.org
[Goanet] Goan Muslims: HERALD(Goa) Aug 3, 2008
GOAN MUSLIMS By Valmiki Faleiro Migrant Muslims are the flavour of current local debate. At least in the ‘Sangh Parivar,’ whose political arm is Goa’s only, and India’s principal, opposition party, the BJP. To the rest of Goa – Hindu, Catholic and, significantly, Goan Muslim – the issue is about migrants, not necessarily Muslim migrants. One Indian leader recently said that terrorists have no religion. I believe that to be true. (Though not all without religion are terrorists!) Terrorists could come from any religious calling. Similarly, migrants are migrants – of whatever religious creed. Muslim migrants (as against Goan Muslims) twice recently nearly succeeded in providing the powder keg for communal riots in my hometown, Margao. One must remember that generally speaking, Muslims in India, unlike Goan Muslims, belong to the illiterate and poor sections of the Indian social matrix. Like Christian tribals across the country, Indian Muslims have no SC/ST state patronage. They are orphans in a land of queer caste/creed-based politics. I am not some Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, and have no plans to tell the powers- that-be about the need to lift India out of its social justice morass. What I plan to dwell on today is the story of Goan Muslims, here only a few centuries, but so assimilated that you cannot spot one from another Goan Hindu or Christian, save in the superficial manner of talk, dress and place of worship – inconsequential to life. Goa had no aboriginal Muslims, like native Christians, until the Portuguese arrived. Goa was either entirely Hindu or partly Buddhist. The first Muslim conqueror, Allauddin Khilji, Sultan of Bengal, ordered his general, Mallik Kafur, to take the Deccan from the Yadavas. Kafur did that, then marched into Goa. The year: 1312. The capital city then, shifted from Chandor in Salcete, was Govapuri (roughly today’s area between Agacaim and Siridao, the core being from Pilar to ‘Vodlem Goem’ or ‘Goa Velha’ – don’t mistake it with ‘Velha Goa’ or Old Goa as foreign authors do.) It had some kilometres-long harbour, Gopakapattana, a bustling entrepôt of trade where hundreds of ships docked from all over Asia. The foolish Mallik Kafur virtually destroyed the city. Tublibh, his Muslim Governor, could not regain Goa’s lost glory. Short of revenues, Muslim rulers harassed the local Hindu populace. Unable to suffer the oppression, Goans led by Vasant Madhav and Mayi Shenai Wagle, appealed to the Hindu Vijayanagar empire for deliverance. Its general, Madhavacharya Vidyaranya (“Madhav Mantri”) liberated Goa around 1366. Vijayanagar held sway for the next about one century. But the Bahamanis were back, until Goans, led by Mhala Pai of Verna, invited the Portuguese in 1510. Muslim rule had produced no indigenous Muslims. Like Christians from South India who worked in Goa several centuries before, there always were transient Muslim traders (from West Asia.) But none local. The Goan Muslims we know today were brought in – surreptitiously – by the Portuguese. For an interesting reason. The horse, in that era, was as crucial a weapon of war as today’s battle tank. Goa was the main point of importation of the best horses from Persia and Arabia. This trade was the strategic reason why Goa was coveted by every neighbouring kingdom. The Portuguese took the city (now Old Goa) to greater heights of glory. At its pinnacle, in the mid- to late-16th century, the city was Asia’s prime trading centre with the world. Its population was a cosmopolitan mix of Europeans and traders from West to Far East Asia. The Portuguese maintained a delicate regional balance, for their own survival – and profits – by supplying horses to the constantly warring Hindu and Muslim kingdoms of South India. If the Portuguese were smart, the horse exporters of West Asia were even smarter. They ensured that only horses – and not a single mare – went to Goa. They well knew that if a single mare were exported, the Portuguese would start breeding horses in Goa. Their livelihood would be imperilled. The Portuguese tried the next best option: they decided to crossbreed Arabian horses with Indian mares, brought from Gujarat. There was, however, a hitch: Goa had neither the knowledge, much less the expertise, for cross-breeding horses. That is how horse-breeding families were smuggled from Persia and Arabia into Goa. These Muslim families were lodged around Bicholim and Valpoi. The Portuguese experiment, as we know, failed. The horse-breeders took to driving, after the advent of the motorcar in Goa in the early 20th century. From one carrier to another, as it were. Goa’s Chief Town Planner, Morad Ahmed, is certainly not one of them – he drives other forms of ‘vehicles.’ (Ends.) The Valmiki Faleiro weekly column at: http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=330 == The above article appeared in the
[Goanet] Goa news for August 3, 2008
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Margao is main hub of Goa\'s own matka - Times of India [Jul 30, 2008] MARGAO: One might think that with the death of Bombay matka kingpin, Suresh Bhagat a blow would be dealt to matka activity in Goa. However, with the closing ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/9-0&fd=R&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Margao_is_main_hub_of_Goas_own_matka/articleshow/3308177.cms&cid=0&ei=-u2USP_aKI3ShQOp-a3ZBA&usg=AFQjCNFB3p0v_3ejb7xS_zb8ufqubS7zAA *** Goa University grapples with low admission rates - Times of India [Jul 31, 2008] PANAJI: As many as three departments of the Goa university have registered the lowest intake in five consecutive years for their respective postgraduate ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/8-0&fd=R&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Goa_University_grapples_with_low_admission_rates/articleshow/3312398.cms&cid=0&ei=-u2USP_aKI3ShQOp-a3ZBA&usg=AFQjCNF6JyHJakmIII9FIJBPkZhAn2Rzjg *** GOA could do better than with Adam Harris - Stabroek News [14 hours ago] The Art of Shooting basketball clinic co-ordinated by the Maccabees Basketball Club in collaboration with the Everything Basketball Foundation began ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/7-0&fd=R&url=http://www.stabroeknews.com/sports/goa-could-do-better-than-with-adam-harris-2/&cid=0&ei=-u2USP_aKI3ShQOp-a3ZBA&usg=AFQjCNHq5Xxc2tukbDE4Zu0QHpidHMNugw *** Hariprasad in Goa to facilitate Babushs induction in cabinet - Navhind Times [18 hours ago] PANAJI ” Mr BK Hariprasad, the all-India Congress committee general-secretary in-charge of Goa desk, flew in the state late on Friday evening tofacilitate ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/6-0&fd=R&url=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=080225&cid=0&ei=-u2USP_aKI3ShQOp-a3ZBA&usg=AFQjCNE5-OqddElp7tMVpvQFIBawHCjwHA *** Maithilis deeply rooted with Goan culture - Navhind Times [18 hours ago] by SUDESH BHOSLE VASCO ” The Maithili community having historical and mythological links with Goa has been deeply rooted with Goan culture. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/5-0&fd=R&url=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=080254&cid=0&ei=-u2USP_aKI3ShQOp-a3ZBA&usg=AFQjCNEJ9pECTOBXREoik5AQMv3nkIBZPQ *** Goa Carbon to inject Rs 700 cr for growth - Financial Express [10 hours ago] Goa Carbon Ltd (GCL), a manufacturer of calcined petroleum coke (CPC) in India, on Friday, said that the company plans to invest about Rs 700 crore in its ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/4-0&fd=R&url=http://www.financialexpress.com/news/Goa-Carbon-to-inject-Rs-700-cr--for-growth/343607/&cid=0&ei=-u2USP_aKI3ShQOp-a3ZBA&usg=AFQjCNGr_jKeq2I-g_2t9kUWzTDOFLoBag *** Goa Carbon plans to invest Rs 700 cr for expansions - Economic Times [Aug 1, 2008] 1 Aug, 2008, 1746 hrs IST, PTI MUMBAI: Calcined Petroleum Coke maker Goa Carbon, the lone listed entity of the diversified Dempo Group, today said it is ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/3-0&fd=R&url=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News_By_Industry/Indl_Goods__Svs/Metals__Mining/Goa_Carbon_plans_to_invest_Rs_700_cr_for_expansions/articleshow/3315981.cms&cid=1232340584&ei=-u2USP_aKI3ShQOp-a3ZBA&usg=AFQjCNHO1N7REBOMsW5-l8GO0ddjeDIczg *** See FY09 topline at Rs 550 cr: Goa Carbon - Moneycontrol.com [Aug 1, 2008] Goa Carbon has announced its first quarter numbers. Its Q1 net profit increased at Rs 11.6 crore from Rs 1.9 crore. Shrinivas Dempo, Chairman, Goa Carbon ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/2-0&fd=R&url=http://news.moneycontrol.com/india/news/results-boardroom/see-fy09-topline-at-rs-550-crgoa-carbon/15/05/350069&cid=1232340584&ei=-u2USP_aKI3ShQOp-a3ZBA&usg=AFQjCNGVTN9vKRTNxvFNeeSnUctTZFwyGA *** Goa will have 55 NIT seats, Centre tells high court - Times of India [23 hours ago] PANAJI: The central government on Fridayclarified before the high court of Bombay at Goa that it proposes to reserve 40 seats for Goan students in National ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/1-0&fd=R&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Goa_will_have_55_NIT_seats_Centre_tells_high_court/articleshow/3316942.cms&cid=0&ei=-u2USP_aKI3ShQOp-a3ZBA&usg=AFQjCNF2G_JnDU78rcqDzDz1IK8sCbp02g *** International conference on personal care products in Goa - Press Trust of India [17 hours ago] Mumbai, Aug 2 (PTI) About 500 delegates from 30 nations are likely to attend the global conference on personal care products to be held in Goa from October ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/0-0&fd=R&url=http://www.ptinews.com/pti%5Cptisite.nsf/0/F6F0DF9F0C4F97BC6525749900226F04?OpenDocument&cid=1232664078&ei=-u2USP_aKI3ShQOp-a3ZBA&usg=AFQjCNEJR6THXaTEYDnjKsG3qeqoo39VhA Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
Re: [Goanet] Save Goa crusader Oscar quits GBA (Gomantak Times)
EXCERPTS The letter was leaked to the Press. Thereafter, a vicious campaign was launched on the Internet to discredit Rebello. "Everything has changed so much, that I can no longer articulate the concerns of the GBA," lamented Rebello. The doctor took exception to the vicious campaign launched against him by Internet-savvy members of the GBA. "They have tried to destroy my credibility," he said. - Who is Dotor Oscar referring to ? Who are these GBA members who are internet savvy ? Is he referring to Penpricks or Rajan Parrikar ?
Re: [Goanet] correctionS.
2008/8/2 Eugene Correia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Correction: > Please read the word "with" as "without." I mean to say Kevin did NOT consult > the committee. In the last para of Part II, I said "attended" which should > have been "ended." Trying to check and correct glaring mistakes late today > after returning from a tiring daylong trip to the Niagara region. > Eugene QUESTION: Did you buy a bottle or two or your famous 'Ice wine' ? Nice but rather expensive, finished a bottle in one go, although it is supposed to be drunk as an aperitif or as an after, dinner drink. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
[Goanet] Notes from the Goan Convention - Part III
In a note sent to me, GOA president Oscar Furtado said that the ssociation secretary "was able to track down a letter that was sent from the GOA to the Convention Organizers (to be delivered by Kevin) a week before the event. A week before the event the GOA was informed the Kevin Saldanha was attending the convention. On that day we sent Kevin a letter electronically that he was to present to the Convention Organizers congratulating them for organizing the convention. In the letter we mentioned that Kevin was representing us. Please note that at the time we used the word 'representing' incorrectly as it was meant to be in the form of him presenting this letter to the organizers." He further states, "Kevin, at the time, had not met with the GOA and had no knowledge of our issues and views that he would need to have if he 'represented' us in the proper use of the word. In our view, he was only delivering a message." Oscar adds, "the GOA did not send Kevin to Portugal with direction for him to accept this on our behalf. We in no way were considering hosting the Convention. When Kevin approached us, which I believe was after he had accepted, we informed Kevin that we already had our commitments for the next year and that we did not have the resources to host the convention. We did agree that it was good for the community and that we would advertise the event to our members. Our focus was to run Viva Goa - which required our full attention to be successful. Our position was made very clear to the convention organizers early. Please note that the only request was that we inform them about the Viva Goa date as they wanted to host it in the same week. In my opinion, these conventions should only be hosted by existing Goan Organizations that have membership and a mandate to do this. The risk of failure is significant when individuals accept such initiatives. A lesson learned for the future." Let me give another example of Lisette's rude and arrogant behaviour. I learnt that at the May Ball, Lisette approached Roland Francis, who was sitting at his table with friends, and asked him why he has not paid the fees for the dance and the convention. He found it very "insulting". Roland had carried a cheque to give to Francis. It was just a matter of time that he would hand over the cheque to Francis but before he could do it he was confronted by Lisette. Roland boycotted the convention, even though he paid the delegate fee. I think his absence was a big loss to the convention as Roland could have contribute in some way to the convention. We have read him often on goanet and he brings a wealth of knowledge on Goan issues. Roland, I believe, donated things worth at least 300 dollars for the May Ball. He has in the past donated his time and money to charitable causes. Goa Sudharop has been one the beneficiaries of his charitable act. When enquiries were made why Roland was missing, the official line was that he was not supportive of the idea of goanetters' association hosting the convention. I think Roland was skeptical because he perhaps felt it was an onerous task by the fledging association. I think it was a legitimate concern, given the fact that the association lacked financial muscles and voluntary base. That the association pulled off by holding the convention is another matter. Another goanetter who did not participate but was very visible at the convention venue was Tim de Mello. I am told that Tim, who is an executive member of the association, was invited for meetings but never showed up. Though not active on goanet as before, Tim opted out for what differences with the Saldanhas over a project called Goan Canadian or perhaps Canadian Goan Centre that was mooted by Time sometime ago. Tim hosted Alexyz and, therefore, had to drive his guest to and fro from the Mississauga campus of the University of Toronto, the convention venue. Tim helped Alexyz a great deal, carting copies of Alexyz's new book, which was launched along with books by other writers at the convention, and his artwork. Alexyz, like Dean and Wendell and the Mando Mogi group, came on his own, though he may have been sponsored by a group in Goa. The convention organisers did not pay for their presence. It must be mentioned that Dean is Kevin's cousin. The Mando Mogi group was given two lakh rupees from the Directorate of Tourism and the group paid for the rest. I heard that the leader of the group put in eight lakh rupees to make the trip. For that sort of money the group spent, the group did not get a large audience. It performed at the Goan Idol event, which clashed with the Q&A meet with Edward Faleiro off campus and organized by IGO/GOA, where the audience was about two hundred. They got a bigger audience at the tiatr but could put just two or three of their events, and later at the Convention Ball. The group has a repertoire of acts that could last at least three and half h
Re: [Goanet] Prof. M.S. Kamat - Mauvin Godinho and 'Pursuing People's Dreams
Dear Floriano, A superb and conscientious post. Well said.. venantius From: "floriano" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Prof. M.S. Kamat - Mauvin Godinho and 'Pursuing People'sDreams > (The only response I was getting from Prof. Kamat was Yes, yes and yes) > >
[Goanet] Prof. M.S. Kamat - Mauvin Godinho and 'Pursuing People's Dreams"
Dear Floriano, Belated birthday wishes to you. No sweat about the "Moderator" of the Citizens' Initiative. He is a devil we know. Thank you for announcing in your "vote of thanks" the other devils whom we did not know earlier. The debate exposed the rest. I do hope the excess of expenditure over income/collection was underwritten by IITian S. Kamat and Dr. U.G. Barad who motivated you. One played truant, the other used the platform. I hope they paid the bill for the hall and sound system. Dr. Ajit Shirodkar, with a Ph.D. from Purdue University, was perhaps the best speaker of that evening. Given a chance, Dr. Narayan Desai also makes a good speaker. He was wasted as a surprise "assistant" to Mr. M.S. Kamat. Dr. Narayan Desai is a Ph. D. in Political Science and a great man to be with. Dr. Shirodkar is , of course, a class apart. Please do not used the terms "educated and enlightened" for boot-lickers who will praise even a toad and call him a prince . if paid sufficiently to do that. They are a blot on the human race. Some of these folks are literate and in possession of degrees, just that. Education should be ABC ...Attitudenal and Behavioural Change. You have stated the reasons why you had MSK as Moderator, you kept your promise not to mix Goa SuRaj Party with the CI. That is enough for me to do what I promised to support the initiative by my presence and action. No apologies needed to me from you. Life is a learning experience. Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 21:43:42 +0530 From: "floriano" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Prof. M.S. Kamat - Mauvin Godinho and 'Pursuing People'sDreams Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> When I opened-up today's Herald and the Navhind Times, Mauvin Godinho fell out on my lap, courtesy Prof. M.S. Kamat. I have just called up Prof. M.S. Kamat at his Porvorim residence (0832)2411291 Well sir, I find it difficult to understand how you educated and enlightened people can stoop so low as to fall at the feet of these chors. And you shamelessly write about it?" My million apologies to Sam, Jose Colaco, Miguel Braganza et al who were worried about Professor M.S. Kamat having been chosen by Floriano Lobo. And Miguel was right in suggesting other names of which Mr. Ajit Shirodkar could have been the man for the first of its kind 'CI' . Even then, as a slim justification for my going thro' with my original decision, I went by the fact that 'moderating' an academic debate had nothing to do with the character of a person, especially when the decision had been taken and public announcements made. Now I know better. And we say that Goa is being looted by our politicians. Nay. We must now say that Goa has been allowed to be looted by people who pose as high principled guardians of our society, whether they are inside or outside the walls of religious institutions, but who are either rotten to the core or have a back-bone made of jelly who will only look for their continuation in service rather than retaliate as a principle of justice. I do hope that I shall be FORGIVEN in respect of having M.S. Kamat moderate the CI debate. floriano goasuraj -- -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
Re: [Goanet] Altering names / Portuguese citizenship
Dear Teotonio, I appreciate your response. My point is strictly to do with the priests in Mumbai, in the recent past (not the entire discretion of priests, as a collective, but certainly a part of the mass of priests) changing names or shortening them; and not about individuals changing or shortening their names on other accounts. Needless to say, your points in the latter contexts -- about individuals getting creative with their names cannot be questioned. The accusation on my part which I do not deny, is mine and mine alone. My respect for priests was also noted in my earlier post. As time goes by, I am beginning to learn that one may, and perhaps, must only point out concerns and excesses in a simple manner -- not state directly or even inadvertently allude to ideologies or patriotisms. In giving such advice you cannot be faulted, and again I appreciate it. Hopefully someday, someone will find it of minor interest to do a small paper on these notions. Venantius From: "Teotonio R. de Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Goanet] Altering names / Portuguese citizenship > > Dear Venantius et al > > One need not search for > ideologies or patriotisms, or blame priests of Bombay! Before the > independence of India, many Goans sought to pass off as Anglo-Indians. That > was a door to enter the railway job, post offices, etc. Hence, Dias became > Days, Lobo became Lobow, Coutinho became Coutts, etc. > > >
[Goanet] When Baga was 'bridge-less'
25 years ago, when starting off in journalism, this was one of the first photographs of mine that got published. It was in the Herald, sometime after October 1983. By some chance, it surfaced amidst the clutter of paper on my table. It has been a long journey … http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com/ -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org 784 Nr Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India Ph +91-832-2409490 M: +91-9970157402
[Goanet] clarification
** This brings me to an healthy relationship between the organizers, particularly the husband-and-wife team of Kevin and Lisett. * Let me clarify that what I meant to write was that "there was an UNHEALTHY relationship among the organisers, particularly the husband-and-wife team of Kevin and Lisette and the others. eugene
Re: [Goanet] Sindi Organizations in Goa
John, there was an article on the Sindhis of Goa in the Navhind Times, recently. You might find it online. FN 2008/8/2 John DSouza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I friend of mine is looking for the contact address of Sindi organizations > in Goa. I would appreciate any information. > > Warm regards, > > John D'Souza > Moderator > Margao-Net -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org 784 Nr Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India Ph +91-832-2409490 M: +91-9970157402 16,000+ photos from Goa: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/
Re: [Goanet] Searching
Hi Armando, That's a tough one! Modlo Vado (or, Central Ward) is a location you might come across in many Goan villages. Do you remember which village they came from? Fernandes, as you could guess, is one of the more common surnames! Try searching the Goa electoral rolls via Google. Just search for "Julius Fernandes Goa electoral rolls". But of course, this is assuming *the* Julius Fernandes you're looking for is still a resident of Goa. What were their ages like? FN PS: Goans in Eriterea! Which year was that? Was it still a part of Ethiopia then? I know of Goans with links to other unexpected places, like Venezuela, Armenia, Botswana, Finland and the like. 2008/8/2 aquaroni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hi to all. > I'm writing from Italy and I'm searching a Goan family that used to live in > Asmara Eritrea in the seventies.They left for Goa and went to live in a > place or district called Modlo Vado.Many years have passed since then and I > don' t remember most names.The father was Fernandez,two sons were Julius and > Conrad the girls were Coleen(she maried a German)and Yvonne. > If anyone has any news about them please do write back. > Thanks a million. > -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org 784 Nr Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India Ph +91-832-2409490 M: +91-9970157402 16,000+ photos from Goa: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/
[Goanet] Cardinal Ivan Dias & the Lambeth Conference
In a recent address to the Bishops at the Lambeth Conference, Cardinal Ivan Dias used the analogy of Alzheimer's and Parkinson's to describe the present state of "confusion" in the Anglican Communion over the decision to ordain women bishops and openly gay clergy. His statement has now drawn sharp criticism from both the Alzheimer's and Parkinson's societies who feel that the comments were "demoralising". I feel sure the Cardinal intended no slight or offence to either Society, but the whole unfortunate incident highlights the need to exercise discretion and choose one's words carefully, especially when discussing sensitive issues as in the present case. Mervyn Maciel
Re: [Goanet] Typos and semi-literates!
Hi Tony, I wouldn't pillory anyone for the quality of their language ... maybe for the quality of their arguments. Would it be fair if Dr Barad took off our faultable knowledge of medical issues? I don't agree with you here. FN 2008/8/2 Anthony M Barreto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Dear Gabe > > I would class them as typos which are more due to oversight than lack of > knowledge. They are different from illiterate expressions used by people > with multiple titles appended to their name but cannot frame a decent > sentence in English. I wonder how such people got their doctorates. And how > they could be authors with books to their name is a mystery that would beat > the biggest names in mystery thrillers. > -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org 784 Nr Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India Ph +91-832-2409490 M: +91-9970157402 16,000+ photos from Goa: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/
[Goanet] The TOI report is the closest to the truth.
Dears, The REGIONAL PLAN for GOA 2021 [RPG 2021] was supposed to be issued in May, 2008 after the Interim report was out by 15 March, 2008 as per the Official Gazette notification of 26 February, 2008. In its earlier avatar [Gazette of 04 October, 2007], the GUIDELINES were to be framed by the Task Force by 15 December, 2007 and that would be the end of the job for it. The goal posts of both, the MANDATE and the DATE, have kept on shifting. In the meanwhile, the Goa TCP[Amendment] Act, 2008 passed in March 2008 and Rules notified in the Official Gazette on 13 May, 2008 make the RPG 2021 a JOKE . for PRIVATE use only. There as as many versions out as there are newspapers in Goa. the Times of India is by far the most accurate, the Herald version is a close second. The others are more of "creative writing" than journalism as I understand it. Mog asundi. Miguel Rebello quits as GBA convenor Panaji: Dr Oscar Rebello stepped down as convenor of Goa Bachao Abhiyan on Friday following a 'lack of consensus' among members over the issue of a model for people's participation in the planning process. Rebello's resignation came on the eve of a GBA meeting convened on Saturday to discuss the issue, even as another meeting on July 28, which had continued for more than two hours, failed to reach any conclusive opinion on the model to be adopted to facilitate a bottom to top (people's participation) planning process. Rebello said he quit as convenor (but not as GBA member) as the body's core group was not in agreement with a model suggested by Patricia Pinto and Ritu Prasad, who represented him on the task force to ensure people's participation as per the 73rd and 74th a m e n d m e n t s. "There was neither a benchmark nor a model to borrow from as to how people's participation can be facilitated. We (GBA) had no alternative model to place before the task force," he said. The task force was expected to submit the draft regional plan on July 15, but it has been now extended to August 15. Extend deadline for comments on RP: GBA Panaji: Goa Bachao Abhiyan representatives had suggested to the task force to draft the Regional Plan 2021 that taluka committees be incorporated in the planning process to afford people at the grassroots level an opportunity to present their views. They also asked that the deadline for comments from the people on the draft RP be extended to four months from the existing two months. They further went on to suggest that ward committes at panchayat and municipal level be formed to plan for the local area. As a consequence of stepping down as GBA convenor, Dr Oscar Rebello automatically ceases to be a member of the task force, which had been constituted to draft the Regional Plan 2021. Patricia Pinto and architect Ritu Prasad said they would refrain from attending the task force meetings to assist Dr Rebello in future. "We cannot continue in our personal capacity," Pinto said. However, Sabina Martins, co-convenor, GBA, while admitting differences in opinion among members over the process to be endorsed, stated that discussions, though inconclusive, would continue. "The process is still on and the matter will be discussed at the GBA meeting in the city on Saturday," she said. A section of the members, who partly agreed with the process suggested that it be backed by a legislative amendment to the TCP Act before the Regional Plan was drafted. However, sources said this was not acceptable to the task force. Martins said there was a feeling of distrust within the GBA of the government's motive and that it is not serious about formulating the Regional Plan. The amendment to Section 16 (a) to the TCP Act is perceived as an outcome of this approach. COURTESY: Times of India, Goa. In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "joelds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Share files, take polls, and make new friends - all under one roof. Go to http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/
[Goanet] (Goanet) Exotic Names
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:09:34 +0530 - "Dr. U. G. Barad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Subject: [Goanet] What's the problem with Celina, Katrina? QUOTE: Dear Goanet members, Why waist your time on Celina, Katrina, Fodrina, etc.? When Our Constitution says, as per interpretation of JC - I will sell my property in Goa to highest bidder - (check archives) every Indian is free to buy and settle in any part of India? If still one is interest in Celina, Katrina, Fodrina ,rope them in Goa, under threat, and make one BIG SHOW in Goa, with DIGU as chief guest and yet make money to enjoy your life style which you are STILL struggling to achieve. (remaining message deleted intentionally). Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad UNQUOTE: Hi Guys, Read some messages on EXOTIC names for children these past couple of daysI can add a few of kids from my neighbourhood like: JOYSON JOYLON TIEDON ELDON ESLTON FLORIDA but hadn't ever heard the third name our respected Dr. Barad repeated twice in above two paragraphs of his message. Cheers Agnelo Fernandes
[Goanet] Re the Goan Convention in Toronto and a dozen
Dears (as Miguel sez) I wish to commend the Organising Committee of the Toronto convention for putting together this year's convention. Now that the event is over, it is time to let out a sigh of relief. Well done good people. Well done. I wish we could have been there just to be with the fine Goans of Toronto. Having personally met Lisette & Kevin Saldanha, Ben Antao, Bosco De Mello, Francis Rodrigues, Roland Francis, Mervyn Lobo, and Silviano Barbosa, and interacted several moons ago with John J. De Souza, I knew that the convention was in good hands. Only those who have organised events will know: (i)How difficult and thankless, it is to put together an event (ii) that it takes strong personalities to put together any event. (iii) that some weak persons have difficulty with strong personalities - esp if they happen to be female. (iv) The satisfaction one gets from organising events. (v) That there will always be those complaining 'les miserables' (vi) That even among diaspora Goans, there is intense envy (vii) The best way to deal with crabs is to make Codi out of them. Talking about Crabs, Envy and the musical 'Les miserables', I was struck by the "Convention' posts of Eugene Correia. May I declare upfront my personal biases here. I personally believe that Lisette & Kevin Saldanha, Ben Antao, Bosco De Mello, Francis Rodrigues, Roland Francis, Mervyn Lobo, Silviano Barbosa, and John J. De Souza are good people. When you meet them, you will find nothing but positive energy in the room. Do they have some weak points to go along with their strong points? absolutely! Who does not? On the other hand, may I declare my personal bias against the negative energy that some very bitter people emit. Their names are well known, I do not need to repeat them here. That brings me to the Eugene Correia post. Many among us know that Eugene is quite famous for his inability or perhaps unwillingness to research facts before he writes. So, what does a person who is a factless wonder do when he knows not the facts - he invents them. Now, that quality would have held him in good stead if only he was in the business of writing fantasy novels. Unfortunately, it appears that some people cannot write. Anyway - in an effort to separate fact from Eugenian fiction, I have to resort to my usual bit about Asking a FEW Questions. I must say that these questions may not have any answers. So, Eugene ...please do not rush to answer them. Here are Eugene's statements in " Notes from the Goan Convention - Part I & II (marked E) and simple moi's questions (marked JC) [E 1] I told Kevin that I had "pre-registered" and that I only did NOT pay as the committee was not accepting credit cards. JC 1: is this some new "Faleam" method by which one pre-registers without paying? [E2] Before entering the convention, Francis told me that Ben Antao, the treasurer, insists I pay 250 dollars, the normal fee. I told Francis that he should convince Ben that I was "pre-registered." JC2: If you had paid, as you were expected to do, why did you need Francis to convince Ben that you were pre-registered? JC2b: Is "pre-registered" a FUKOT method of being pre-registered without paying? [E3] Alexyz also drew instant portraits of those who wanted at a price of 20 dollars. He did mine for free, since we are friends since our college days. JC 3: FUKOT again? [E4] When the first speaker, Oscar Furtardo, president of the Goan Overseas Association, began to speak Lisette, Kevin's wife and Events Coordinator, left the hall. When someone asked where is Kevin, he was told that Kevin was packing the bags outside the hall. JC 4: Did Eugene offer to 'pack the bags' so that Lisette and Kevin could be in the hall - at that particular time? [E5] Protocol or at least courtesy demanded that the convention director be presented when the speakers spoke, more so when the president of GOA, an important organization, took the podium. JC 5: Which/Whose/What protocol? JC5b: And is it the case that the chief 'protocol officer' Eugene lent a helping hand to the organisers? [E6] This brings me to an healthy relationship between the organizers, particularly the husband-and-wife team of Kevin and Lisett. JC 6: What is wrong with Kevin and Lisette having a "healthy relationship". They are man and wife, for Heaven's sake. [E7] When the Lisbon Goan Diaspora Meet was announced, Kevin and Lisette decided to attend it. According to some sources, the Casa de Goa said it would provide free accommodation and hospitality to one representative of a Goan association from each country. To take advantage of this offer, Kevin secured an official letter from the Goan Charitable Organization (GCO). JC 7: Are you able to confirm here that Lisette and Kevin secured FUKOT accommodation for themselves in Lisboa? JC7b: You mean to say that even Lisette and Kevin 'pre-registered' for their accommodation? [E8] I am informed that Kevin gave Al the award because Al is not keeping goo
[Goanet] Switch off auto-pilot, GOG, and get hands on!
How big a boost to foreign tourism is Mopa likely to give and will it be as a result of any diversion from Mumbai? Let's stay glued to those Mopa project radar screens and holler if there is any strange blip -- for Dabolim's sake.
Re: [Goanet] How to view Form I & XIV details online ?
Thanks for the info Joe, this site is quite helpfull for non-resident Goans...I have noticed that you can even search the survey No. by inserting surname in search stringIt will give details of lands of all the people with that surname, hever only surnames with 7-9 letters can be checked. Also I noticed there are no records for Quepem. A few friends whom I had forwarded this site were shocked to see that they were rich overnight :) Dev Borem Korum Edward Verdes From: "JoeGoaUk" How to view Form I & XIV online Few days ago, it was informed here that one can get his/her form I & XIV (property) details by visiting the Mahiti Ghar Kiosks or respective Mamlatdar officces etc Well, one can now view the same details online Check it here... http://egov.goa.nic.in/dslr/ Foll. info is requeired: TALUKA (in which the property is situated e.g. Tiswadi) VILLAGE (e.g. Goa-Velha) SURVEY No. (e.g. 43 ) SUB DIV No. (e.g. 4 ) Notes: - Survey No/Sub.Div No. usually shown as 43/4 - If you know just the survey No and not he sub.Division No, then you can still search it from No.1, 2, 3..) - If you don't know the survey number, then find it on your original sales deed etc or ask the elders as they will know. - If you don't have the original papers then find out from the neighbours papers and search till you find yours (your anscestors etc). Even if you know your details or have a copy of form I & XIV with you, it is still advisable to periodically check the details just to make sure someone's name is not included in place of yours. Remember, anything is possible in Goa.
[Goanet] A room full of Goans in London
It was one of those evening when all the stars had aligned in perfect order above Betty Pires’ house, founding member of Investcorp. Betty had thrown an intimate dinner party to introduce us to Marinella Proenca, who recently published her book of poems, Heart beat. I’d been wanting to meet Edna Fernandes, author of God’s Warriors and Last Jews of Kerala, for sometime and was delighted to find her at Betty’s soiree. It was difficult not be in awe of this woman who shared sweet-meats with the Shahi Imam Syed. Edna and I both have toddlers and so the conversation inevitably turned to inculcating a Goan culture in third-generation immigrants. Edna confessed to it being a challenge. Despite being in the UK, she grew up in a definitively Goan environment at home, and is acutely aware of her Goan identity. I grew up in a Gulf Goa-centric diaspora and still occassionally cling to mine. We both agreed preserving our culture, qualifying it and passing it on to our children is not a task for the faint-hearted. In Edna’s case it is compounded by the fact that she is raising a biracial child. She has to sythesize two cultures into one identity. In my case, I’m raising a Goan to be an American, for my child is that most conflicting of nationalities, a hyphenated Indian-American. Identities are amorphous and hard to define in themselves, dealing with hyphenated ones compels us to ask fundamental questions about nationalities, race and culture in an evolving world. It was Sir Richard Burton, who wrote,“The man wants to wander, and he must do so, or he shall die.” Burton was an explorer, an adventurer and he deftly articulated the longings of the human soul, that it needs to explore and in this journey of exploration, comes to a deeper understanding of oneself. Being part of the diaspora, we are on a continuous journey, taking all that we know of ourselves culturally and yet ready to embrace that which is alien and new. Betty Pires who keeps company with Presidents such as George Bush, princes such as Charles and paupers such as me, read aloud one of the poems. About a Goa that is part of all of us. “Sweet memories are stored Banked in mind’s eye To retrieve, to remember To pass on and sigh”, writes Marinella Proenca. However malleable Goan culture is, with the unpardonably handsome Tony Luis (President of Goa Convention 2009), Rene (World Goa Day) and Maria Barreto, Isabelle Barreto, Eddie and Lira Fernandes (Goan Voice, UK), Edna and Andrew and, Romola de Souza, wife of the legendary Goan lawyer and activist, Fitz Remedios Santana de Souza who defended Kenyans accused of Mau Mau activities including Jomo Kenyatta, all in Betty’s living room, perhaps it was best defined as being one of warmth, charm, grace and bon homie. selma
[Goanet] Daily Grook #175
DAILY GROOK #175: RAMA DRAMA by Francis Rodrigues rama consulted da bhagvad gita, before he dated the baby-sita ! LATEST 2008 CONVENTION PICS: http://2008goanconvention.com/ NEW ALBUMS UPDATED DAILY _
Re: [Goanet] What's the problem with Celina, Katrina, Fodrina?
Wow..Fodrina...a new name? Can anyone tell me if its Indian/Italian/English name? eddie - Original Message - From: "Dr. U. G. Barad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 11:39 AM Subject: [Goanet] What's the problem with Celina, Katrina? Dear Goanet members, Why waist your time on Celina, Katrina, Fodrina, etc.? When Our Constitution says, as per interpretation of JC - I will sell my property in Goa to highest bidder - (check archives) every Indian is free to buy and settle in any part of India? If still one is interest in Celina, Katrina, Fodrina ,rope them in Goa, under threat, and make one BIG SHOW in Goa, with DIGU as chief guest and yet make money to enjoy your life style which you are STILL struggling to achieve. OR else quite Goa as is appealed by Elizabeth Carvalho (Selma). Goa is finished..gone...there is nothing left to say WE GOANS These days even GBA is seen to be FOOLING Goans . Goans who gave their moral support in Creating GBA spending own money, time and dedication. Today GBA is equally fooling themselves..their own CREAM members...Factually , Today NO ONE respects GBA including their Core members!! If they are surprised of this statement ...Let them give a call to SAVE GOA UNIVERSITY and let's see how many Goans come / respond to GBA's call. I challenge. Having said this, there is nothing left to say WE GOANS ... I thought we had only one thing left .. That's education system in Goa. Right this time it's also SOLD OUT RIGHT..by 1 politician and 2 so called Intellectuals... Read on the debate about converting (I hope it's not religious conversion!) Goa University to Central Goa University under command of SONIA!!! Are we going to let this happen... If Goans have no patience to think deeply let's donate 4000 Crores worth of Goa University to SONIA to stabilize the chair of DIGU.. the great? If you don't wan to see this happening let's devote out time, efforts and our little contribution to the cause of saving our POSTERITY at least from EDUCATION POINT VIEW? My next appeal on this issue will follow very shortly.. Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
[Goanet] GBA , Task Force and the TCP Act.
Dears, Architect Ritu Prasad, Architect Pravin Sabnis and GBA Secretary, Reboni Saha, made a forceful power point presentation on the GOA TOWN & COUNTRY PLANNING [AMENDMENT] ACT, 2008 and how it would bring back Regional Plan 2011 projects back by the back door in Goa even after the Regional Plan 2021 was notified. Former Secretary Patricia Pinto, Co-Convener Sabina Martins, Treasurer Annand Madgavkar, Joint Secretary Miguel Braganza and members Soter D'Souza, Leroy Veloso, Agnelo Pinto, Shashi Kamat and others were present. So was a contigent of Press Reporters and TV cameramen. The programmme was held at the TB Cunha Hall for the people of Goa from all constituencies across the state who wanted to know about the cyclone of "development" that will hit them after the present lull. The Core Group of the GBA met at the same venue for its meeting to consider the progress in the Regional Plan 2021 at the Task Force. The agreed text of the Press Note released by the Goa Bachao Abhiyan after a two and a half hour long meeting is copied below. It covers the essentials .just like a Common MINIMUM Programme aka bikini. Enjoy the view in between the lines. ;-) Mog asundi. Miguel --- On Sat, 2/8/08, GBA office <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Subject: GBA Press note Goa Bachao Abhiyan 77, Defence Colony, Porvorim contact: 9767701245 PRESS RELEASE (for favour of publication please) We are considering the resignation of Doctor Oscar Rebello as Convenor, and we are discussing the issues that have come to the fore. Reboni SahaSecretary – Goa Bachao Abhiyan Share files, take polls, and make new friends - all under one roof. Go to http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/
[Goanet] AGITATION ALERT SET - TCP 16 & 16A amendments
We the members of the South Goa Public Interest Action Group SGPIAG a registered NGO based in Margao bring to the notice of the public in general that of the 11 Government bills moved for consideration and passing on 25th March, 2008 the Town and Country Planning (amendment) Bill 2008 moved by the CM amd Minister for Town and Country Planning for consideration and passed ( by almost all the forty legislators ) contained yet another set of draconian amendments viz sec 16 and 16A. This has since been notified on 13th May, 2008 and therefore it is only the august house of the Goa Legislative Assembly that can repeal the amendment. While the original section 16 of the TCP Act, 1974 held that . no one inluding the government can act against the Regional Plan formulated for the State of Goa, the amendment passed on 25th March, 2008 (with no dissensions even from the Opposition benches) provides that ... no one EXCEPT the government can act against the Regional Plan This implies that the Government plans for "development" will be carried out without the participation of the people. Ironically this means that there will be two sets of rules one for the Government and the other for the people. The Government intends to bring through the back door its plans for casinos, gated community, health and medical tourism, tourism clusters marinas hotels, football academies, food parks, SEZ film cities educational hubs, green field airports and related infrastructure without public participation in these developmental plans, but only "Government Private Participation" The Advisor to the Government of Goa on Planning and a member of the Task Force a prominent Town Planner Mr Edgar Ribeiro had in his letter marked "Confidential" dated 3/4/2008 had forewarned the Government against the amendment to section 16 and 16 A. Yet the Government went ahead with the agenda and niether did the Advisor tender his resignation on this volte face by the Government. Hence there is a need for the citizens of Goa to arise once again during the 18th August, 2008 monsoon session of the Goa Legislative Assembly as they did on two earlier ocassions: a) when the draconian amendment to the TCP Act 1974 was effected vide an Ordinance dated 29th September 2005 amending section 33 (1) which reads POWER OF THE GOVERNMENT TO PREPARE DEVELOPMENT PLANS ... where government could undertake any development plan without the involvement of the people. This was finally repealed following an agitation led by the villagers of Santa Cruz duly supported by NGO's including this NGO. ( P.S: They had intended then to move the Bill and pass it in the Goa Legislative Assembly session on 31st August, 2005 (last day) but did not succeed) b) The next agitation on 18th December, 2006 ( Azad Maidan Panaji )and 16th January, 2007 (Lohia Maidan Margao )was under the Goa Bachao Abhiyan GBA (a peoples collective involving NGO's as well) demanding de-notification of the Regional Plan 2011 which was finally "done ??'' by the Government on 26th January, 2007. We at SGPIAG therefore feel that only a sustained agitation should be carried to achieve once and for all the undermentioned: a) the Government should allow for peoples participation in the planning process as envisaged in 1992 Constitutional 73rd and 74th amendment granting statutory powers to the people viz Municipalities/Corporation and Village Panchayats; by effecting immediately an amendment to the 1974 TCP Act and Rules 1976. b) the Gram Sabhas should be converted fortwith into "peoples assembly" with the same dignity, decorum and finality maintained in the conduct of its proceedings and deliberations viz; motions resolved and passed honoured in letter and spirit as is the case with the business and conduct of the Goa Legislative Assembly. c) the Government should be compelled to devolve powers to the Zilla Panchayats forthwith; While mobilizing the masses for the above it is also necessary that the message reaches out in clear terms that the Government of Goa must a) maintain Goa's unique identity a symbiosis of East and West . It should safeguard the culture, language (with diversity in scripts) of the people of the State. e) stop its attempt to covert Goa into a "mini India" with policies that safeguard the interests of migrants. Instead it should enmsure that only Goan centric developmental and non developmental policies which will benefit the natives as well as our Goan bretheren settled outside the State and the country should be pursued. f) stop forwith excessive mining, excessive fishing activities, and excessive tourism promotion that destroy the environment and quality of life of our natives; Meanwhile the people should use the Goa Right to Information Act to demand of the Government to come out with a white paper on i) the indigenous (natives) of the State setting up a cut off date f
[Goanet] Prof. M.S. Kamat - Mauvin Godinho and 'Pursuing People's Dreams
When I opened-up today's Herald and the Navhind Times, Mauvin Godinho fell out on my lap, courtesy Prof. M.S. Kamat. If it was not the name of Prof. M.S. Kamat, which literally bored a hole into my eyes, I would have used this supplement of the Navhind Times and the spread on Herald as the toilet paper with immediate effect. But not knowing if there could be another Prof. M.S. Kamat who would suck up to Mauvin Godinho, I made it a point to go through the entire write-up. I have just called up Prof. M.S. Kamat at his Porvorim residence (0832) 2411291 and this was the exchange. Hello, Prof. Kamat? . Good evening Sir, I am Floriano Lobo. How are you? Fine Mr. Lobo, and you? Fine sir. Why I am calling is because today's Herald and NT has a supplement on Mauvin Godinho and it is written by Prof. M.S. Kamat. Is that you sir? Yes Yes. It is me. "Well sir, if you don't mind, I think you have sung praises of a rotten to the core 'CHOR' who has undermined Goa. And I had much respect for you. And that is why I had gone against all odds to have you as the moderator of the Citizens' [Of Goa] Initiative despite there being heavy reservations from most law abiding citizens on my choice since you were on the Board of Directors of a Chor Company lead by another CHOR, Narvekar." (The only response I was getting from Prof. Kamat was Yes, yes and yes) Well sir, I find it difficult to understand how you educated and enlightened people can stoop so low as to fall at the feet of these chors. Isn't Mauvin supposed to be looking at the welfare of the people of Goa as a Legislator rather than polishing his Cortalim Constituency? And you shamelessly write about it?" "Well sir, If you have any self respect you will consider about you continuing on the BOD of the Infotech Corporation of Goa." "Good Night". My million apologies to Sam, Jose Colaco, Miguel Braganza et al who were worried about Professor M.S. Kamat having been chosen by Floriano Lobo. And Miguel was right in suggesting other names of which Mr. Ajit Shirodkar could have been the man for the first of its kind 'CI' . Even then, as a slim justification for my going thro' with my original decision, I went by the fact that 'moderating' an academic debate had nothing to do with the character of a person, especially when the decision had been taken and public announcements made. Now I know better. And we say that Goa is being looted by our politicians. Nay. We must now say that Goa has been allowed to be looted by people who pose as high principled guardians of our society, whether they are inside or outside the walls of religious institutions, but who are either rotten to the core or have a back-bone made of jelly who will only look for their continuation in service rather than retaliate as a principle of justice. I do hope that I shall be FORGIVEN in respect of having M.S. Kamat moderate the CI debate. floriano goasuraj PS: Oh GOD, why did you have to make me share my birthday with Mauvin Godinho???
[Goanet] Betrayed by the GBA and the task force farce
Floriano writes: >Come to think of it, and by the very same logic that Sam employs, should >the so called 'father of the Indian Nation' Mahatma Gandhi also have >been >kicked on his behind and sent packing to South Africa where he had minted >his money during his working life??? >floriano >goasuraj Floriano, there are a couple of distinguishing points between Gandhi' situation and what I am talking about. 1) Most important aspect about Gandhi which differs from the wanna-be save Goa guys from abroad is that Gandhi had already fought the battle for social justice in South Africa. His commitment to fighting for social justice was proven, unlike the wannabe Save Goans whose commitment to making money is what is proven. Pray tell me what fight for justice did our NRIs participated in their times abroad. 2) The second big differentiation is the xenophobia and the disgust towards the disadvantaged section that is coming out through some of these NRIs' posts. Gandhi in fact was the exact opposite. If he had to fight for saving Goa, he would have stayed in Chimbel slum, unlike some of these who want to get rid of the chimbel slum instead. 3) Thirdly, the position in today's world is much more complex than the time of Gandhi. Just to consider as a theory, and for argument's sake. today, it is possible to murder someone in India and take the next flight to the US and live happily ever after. All that is needed for it is a green card of the US. Also, the movement of finance in today's world is unparalled. Further, the distinction between opportunities in the US and India is huge. For the same caliber of work done, you will earn rupee 1 in India (if at all you are able to get the work in the first place) while you would earn 100 rupees in the US. It is completely an unequal world, and most Goans --- especially those who chose not to leave Goa --- are completely disadvantaged in this respect. In fact for a Sabina, to maintain a family, do her job, earn a living and do social work is infinitely more difficult than for a guy who worked in the US for ten years, made enough money, and then came to India and started making documentaries. So, while judging the two and their work, one has to take this into consideration. Finally, one has to burn the bridges with the US or whatever place where one made the fortune. This to me is the ultimate test of the unequivocal commitment to Goa. One cannot save Goa by keeping one's feets in two boats or by having Portuguese citizenship. And I am just saying that for many of these guys it is a bit early to conclude about this. It will take years to figure out the commitment of some of these guys. However, I already see a huge arrogance among these guys in trying to put down some local people who have already have a proven commitment for years. regards, Samir
[Goanet] Overseas Goans Are "Null and Void"
A message to the Goans in Goa, if you didn't already know. Diaspora Goans are a pretty useless lot as far as the political problems in Goa are concerned. We huff and we puff and we pretend that we have to be kept informed of what happens. We give all sort of opinions and comments but the truth is we don't know any of the ground realities of modern day Goa. We are really like the grand father of the family gathering. We sit in an armchair, bow our head and acknowledge the respect and awe of the younger relatives. But since we are circumstantially inactive, we have no leadership to give. The only place we can make a marginal difference is to support social causes. We can put our shoulders (or rather our dollars) to the wheels of a Goa Sudharop or to help out a small individual that arises and is brought to our attention. The publicity we get for this is far more than we deserve. We can do nothing against the builders or the land grabs or the political, civic and police mismanagement. All that is too big for us. We can sit in our drawing rooms, dance at our social get-togethers, shop for our Lexuses and talk of downsizing from large home to smaller ones. Mostly for the large profits or perhaps the weary bones that no longer permit us to mow the lawn or plow the snow. We can pretend our conventions make a difference. They do zilch of that sort at all. If the truth be known, we can do nothing beyond express a sentiment for the Goa we knew. We need not apologize for making a decision to leave the land of our birth. That is what we have decided and whether happy or not, we have to make the most of it. But what must be our greatest taboo is to tell the Goans in Goa what is right and what is wrong and the biggest taboo of all - how to solve their problems. We can dream of all the lush greenery of our villages, the general honesty of the Goans we knew. The cleanliness of the streets of Panjim, Margao and Mapusa, the uprightness of the administration that once was. As long as they are dreams and we ensure that we place a disconnect between what was possible then and what is happening now. There is no bridge between the two and if there is a road that must be built, it will be done with the efforts of Goans in Goa. I do not trivialize the efforts of overseas Goans who go to Goa for more than a holiday or R&R and try to make what difference they can. I am sure they get the satisfaction that we who do not or cannot do, will never get. But beyond personal satisfaction, and except for the rare Rajan Parrikar, alas even they make little difference. It is necessary that the Goans in Goa rising as one body must feel the need for change. It is also necessary that they throw up their own leaders that can spark the change to create the fire. Overseas Goans have no right to tell them what the change must be nor whether they must make their change at all. We have no right to criticize their leaders beyond giving them the help they need. Personally I am impressed that Floriano and his team have organized what may be the beginning of a growing citizens' initiative. I know that people in Goa will identify for themselves what they need or do not need and how best to galvanize and steer their own changes. I am surprised that he has had to pocket the loss. In my own little way I wish to contribute a hundred dollars to that kitty. I am hopeful that instead of mere talk we add to that so in future he does not have to worry about the money when he wants to make change within democracy work in Goa. Roland Francis Toronto +1 (416) 453.3371
[Goanet] Goanet] Betrayal by GBA and the Task Force farce
>Samir, I am reproducing my original post below which used the idea of >>prostitution to represent illegal activities like the mega projects in >Goa. >For whatever reason, you have misunderstood and misrepresented what >I wrote, >see your response below. Do you approve of the illegal mega >projects in Goa? >Then like some other Goanetters you have added >gratutious absue while >complaining on the same day that other netters do >so. In addition, you have >made the incorrect insinuation that I oppose >the Patricias and Sabinas of >this world. Please do not let your arguments >with other goanetters cloud your >judgement on what I have written. >Regards, >George Hi George I have not misrepresented what you have written. I asked valid questions about illegalities in your home state California. Please answer them, and your position on them, what you are doing about them. And I am not for mega housing projects even if they are made legal. Where do you see abuse in my post? In fact, I see that you see 'colourfulness' in messages which are abusive, but you see abuse in my posts where there is none. And finally, as a Goan what would be your response if someone abuses your father ? Do you have a father ? What should a Goan do to someone who abuses his father in the most vulgar manner? Please take a position on the above, and not be wishy-washy or even be encouraging of the perpetrator. regards, Samir
[Goanet] Celina,Katrina?
I too like Edward Vardes was surprised and peeved that a swear word like xxx had escaped the moderators at GoaNet. I am thinking that he does not speak or understand Konkani or was dozing away when this message came through. I plead with the moderators to be more vigilant in future By the way i am not a prude. Viva Goa Ignatius Fernandes. _ Get Hotmail on your mobile from Vodafone http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/107571435/direct/01/
Re: [Goanet] George Pinto and prostitution
Samir you have said it. I agree with you. There's lot of rhetoric flowing from overseas on saving Goa. I think it's just a case of gaining some recognition while in a distant land. I would call it trying to do good or sound good or mean good for goodies. Regards Tony Martin ***Tony Martin English Teacher, Freelance Writer and Author Dubai, UAE Cell: 050-1460524 ***
[Goanet] Typos and semi-literates!
Dear Gabe I would class them as typos which are more due to oversight than lack of knowledge. They are different from illiterate expressions used by people with multiple titles appended to their name but cannot frame a decent sentence in English. I wonder how such people got their doctorates. And how they could be authors with books to their name is a mystery that would beat the biggest names in mystery thrillers. Best regards Tony Martin ** Tony Martin English Teacher, Freelance Writer and Author Dubai, UAE Cell: 050-1460524 *
[Goanet] Dr Oscar Rebello resigns as GBA convenor
NAVHIND TIMES NETWORK PANAJI Dr Oscar Rebello, the convenor of Goa Bachao Abhiyaan, along with two other functionaries (Ms Patricia Pinto and Ms Ritu Prasad) on Friday quit from their posts following differences with other functionaries of the GBA over some issues, including giving suggestions as regards to bottom up process in preparation of the plan. Following their resignations from the posts in GBA, all three would cease to be the members of the task force appointed by the government to prepare the regional plan 2021 as they were the nominees of the GBA and that their resignations could have wide ranging repercussions in the completion of the RP 2021 within stipulated time frame. Dr Rebello told The Navhind Times in an exclusive interview that he and his colleagues who were working with the task force preferred to resign as they could not articulate the agenda of certain force within the GBA with regards to 73rd and 74th amendments to the Constitution. I thought that it would be wise to let someone else to carry forward their views and put it before the task force, he said. He said that many issues were involved in the preparation of the regional plan and environment was not the only issue there in. He went on to add that while preparing the plan many issues, including socio-economic and developmental, have to be taken into consideration before arriving at any decision and then move forward. He said the task Force was waiting for the recommendations of the GBA as regards to their concept on the implementation of 73rd and 74th amendments to the Constitution to carry forward the process of finalising the RP-2021. He sad that views put forward by him were not acceptable to some in the GBA not did they suggest alternatives as such the plan was held up. Denying that he ever had any dream of stepping into electoral politics, Dr Rebello also said that perhaps some people in GBA felt that he was getting too much publicity, which they thought could be used by him in starting his political career, and perhaps wanted to prevent him from getting any further publicity, as such their opposition to his ideas as regards to regional plan. He said that opposition to him and others of the GBA on the task force was brewing for sometime over the concept of 73rd and 74th and reached a boiling point when some members of the GBA personally abused us on the Internet prompting us to quit our posts. He further said that there was serious division of opinion among the GBA members and that the same has reached a point where there could not be reconciliation. Replying to a question on whether Goa agenda would be affected following the resignations of three core members of the GBA, he said that Goa agenda would never fail as he has faith in Goans, who he said would fight and get what was their due. He also said that failure to make suggestions as regards to 73rd and 74th amendments was a collective failure. Asked how Goa agenda would be carried forward, he replied that every Goan must respect the rules and laws in letter and spirit and if that were followed everything would fall in line automatically. He went on to add that whenever there was a conflict between people and administration, the government must play the role of an honest broker to diffuse the situation and resolve the matter. He further said that if government starts playing dirty then automatically the issues would never get resolved.
[Goanet] Save Goa crusader Oscar quits GBA (Gomantak Times)
Save Goa crusader Oscar quits GBA By A Staff Reporter [EMAIL PROTECTED] PANJIM: Disparate forces with the Goa Bachao Abhiyan (GBA) have finally forced the resignation of its convenor Oscar Rebello. Two other prominent members of the GBA, Ritu Prasad and Patricia Pinto, who represented Rebello in the Task Force to prepare the draft Regional Plan 2021, have also decided to stay away from the panel henceforth. "I can understand people from outside the GBA criticizing me," said a frustrated Rebello, "but when your own people start labelling you a sell-out, it is better to resign." The resignation is a fallout over differences over the draft Regional Plan with some groups arguing that the GBA should pull out from the Task Force. Trouble in the GBA came to the fore a few months ago when Rebello was on a foreign trip and co-convenor Sabina Martins was coerced into signing a letter stating that the GBA rejects the "methodology adopted" by the Task Force to formulate a Regional Plan. The letter was leaked to the Press. Thereafter, a vicious campaign was launched on the Internet to discredit Rebello. "I think the GBA has lost faith in me and I should resign," Rebello said. Part of the problem lies with the variety of interests in the GBA with each group pursuing individual agendas and forgetting the larger picture, sources said. One group wanted the ban on casinos to be included in the regional plan, another wanted the entire process to be restarted because it believed all the data provided by the government was manipulated. Yet another wanted the spirit of the 73rd and 74th amendment to be included in the plan. Another demand was that members of the Task Force should not sign the document until the Town and Country Plannin gAct is rescinded ... the list is endless. "How long are we going to wait for the government to change the laws?" asked Dr Rebello. "If people want to change government policy, then they should get elected to do it, not through the back door." Added to his was the complication caused by the rising demand by gram sabhas across the state for a blanket ban on mega projects, sources said. "When I suggested that we take a stand on mega projects, it was rejected," said Dr Rebello. Explaining the other issues, he said, the Regional Plan is being held back only because of the 73rd and 74th amendment. There is no precedent in the rest of India, as far as provisions pertaining to planning. "We asked the core committee to produce a document on this issue so that we could take it to the Task Force, nobody responded," Dr Rebello said. "So on the one hand, you have GBA members insisting that the spirit of these two amendments be included, on the other you have a situation where no one is willing to say how this can be accomplished." The problem faced by those who represented the GBA on the Task Force -- Rebello, Ritu Prasad and Patricia Pinto -- was that the disparate forces wanted them to behave as messengers between the GBA and the Task Force instead of active participant. "Everything has changed so much, that I can no longer articulate the concerns of the GBA," lamented Rebello. The doctor took exception to the vicious campaign launched against him by Internet-savvy members of the GBA. "They have tried to destroy my credibility," he said. -- Patricia, Ritu resign from Task Force too When contacted, Patricia said they had resigned from the Task Force, but would continue to be the GBA members. "We (myself and Ritu Prasad) have not resigned from the GBA. We were helping Dr Oscar on the Task Force and were authorised to attend the Task Force meetings since Dr Oscar was often pre-occupied with his profession." She said that one of the reasons for them to quit the Task Force was that the GBA had not yet arrived at a consensus to put the process of the 73rd and 74th amendments forward at the Task Force. "We did not attend the Task Force meeting held on Friday because the views we were trying to put forward were not acceptable to the GBA. We can't contribute, as there was no direction to move forward. The GBA was not agreeing to it." The GBA has to arrive to a consensus, Patricia said, adding that the GBA would meet at the Caritas Hall, St Inez, Panjim at 4 pm today, August 2, where Ritu Prasad is likely to make a presentation on Section 16 and 16A of the TCP Act. The resignation of the top three members means the GBA will have to appoint a new set of leaders to represent it on the Task Force. ENDS
[Goanet] Re. Goa Bachao Abhiyan is far from over
Dear George, If there are no demons, there is nothing to fear. You did ask how many illegal buildings were torn down by GBA as a measure of its accomplishment. There are none. GBA is not a demolition squad. The point I wanted to make is that we have PREVENTED the whole of Goa from being laid waste for now. The Goa TCP [Amendment] Act, 2008, if it survives will change all that. It is a constant fight that needs everyone's support, not constant questioning. You intention may have been different. I must grant that. You will also accept that we have a cause to feel badgered. Yesterday and today have been particularly tense for those involved in the GBA. It is not just Oscar, it is the entire story of the behind the scenes "soap opera" that we in the GBa are force to see in its many "takes". You only see the final cut. I am sorry, if my reply offended you. It was not intended. It is just a reflection of the level of ennui. No problems if the people at Goan Convention in Toronto were ignorant of us. Rest assured the Goans in Goa know us well. We are their representatives, in their native land. They know no other. Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 08:52:55 -0700 (PDT) From: George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa Bachao Abhiyan is far from over Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear Miguel I attended two Goan conventions in July (California, Toronto). Over 90% of the attendees did not hear of the GBA or their accomplishments. I am well aware of the good work the GBA has done as I am of the machinations and soap-operas behind the scenes. Please do not see demons when none exist. ">You can go looking for torn down buildings as some go > looking for torn hymen to certify the virginity of the bride > on the morning after. The GBA is on course. Individuals do > not matter if they are not a part of the T.E.A.M. Regards, George Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/invite/
[Goanet] Searching
Hi to all. I'm writing from Italy and I'm searching a Goan family that used to live in Asmara Eritrea in the seventies.They left for Goa and went to live in a place or district called Modlo Vado.Many years have passed since then and I don' t remember most names.The father was Fernandez,two sons were Julius and Conrad the girls were Coleen(she maried a German)and Yvonne. If anyone has any news about them please do write back. Thanks a million.
[Goanet] WORLD GOA DAY - 23-8-2008 london. DINNER DANCE and all things GOAN at VIVA GOA -london- uk
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Re: [Goanet] Goa Bachao Abhiyan is far from over
Dear Miguel I attended two Goan conventions in July (California, Toronto). Over 90% of the attendees did not hear of the GBA or their accomplishments. I am well aware of the good work the GBA has done as I am of the machinations and soap-operas behind the scenes. I offered you the opportunity to educate thousands of Goans with cold-blooded facts about the GBA. On the same day you have complained of other goanetters and their language, after answering my question, you could not resist the temptation to add the last paragraph below in the same paragraph you use T.E.A.M. ! Is this how T.E.A.M.work is built? Please do not see demons when none exist. ">You can go looking for torn down buildings as some go > looking for torn hymen to certify the virginity of the bride > on the morning after. Sports women generally do not have > such a tissue to show. By George! Do you still doubt the > credentials of the GBA after all the action in Goa?? If YES, > then you can find another cause to eSPOUSE! ;-) The GBA is > on course. Individuals do not matter if they are not a part > of the T.E.A.M. Regards, George
Re: [Goanet] Betrayal by GBA and the Task Force farce
Samir, I am reproducing my original post below which used the idea of prostitution to represent illegal activities like the mega projects in Goa. For whatever reason, you have misunderstood and misrepresented what I wrote, see your response below. Do you approve of the illegal mega projects in Goa? Then like some other Goanetters you have added gratutious absue while complaining on the same day that other netters do so. In addition, you have made the incorrect insinuation that I oppose the Patricias and Sabinas of this world. Please do not let your arguments with other goanetters cloud your judgement on what I have written. Regards, George GEORGE'S ORIGINAL POST: For those wondering, it is "They also serve who only stand and wait." (Milton) If anyone considers Rajan an armchair critic after all he has done, I have two responses: 1. live in ignorance, the pain is not as great as living in reality, 2. we need a hundred more Rajans. If houses of prostitution were set up all over Goa and prostitutes brought in from other states, Goans would be up in arms. Now, we have illegal activity on a far greater scale with EVERY MEGA project illegally constructed. All activities related to these illegal activities are correspondingly illegal, including the influx of wealthy and poor labour. If under a Regional Plan, construction is done then one could not have qualms about the delhiwalls and their servants (Goan politicians) destroying Goa. But as we know, NOT ONE single MEGA project is legal (to anyone who can demonstrate to me otherwise including NO bribe involved in the project, a lakh of rupees to their favorite Goan charity). Rajan, soldier on and easy on the colorful language. There is too much at stake. Regards, George --- On Fri, 8/1/08, Samir Kelekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > George PInto writes: > > >If houses of prostitution were set up all over Goa and > prostitutes >brought in from other states, Goans would be > up in arms. Now, we have > > George, > Since you are in California, and a US citizen also, could > you throw some light on the amount of prostitution legal or > illegal --- in your home state California? > > > "Saving Goa" is real cool, actually hip, when you are supported by Uncle Sam > and have a green card or citizenship. Because when the going gets tough, you > can always take the next flight back home, as our Mr. Foul Mouth is doing > currently. (If you had some conscience and you were a US citizen, you would > first save your country before saving Goa.) > > What guarantee there is --- these wanna-be Goa savers will > last out even two years from now? > > I would rather root for the Patricias, and the Sabinas who > have given their life to Goa rather than those who first save > their asses by minting lots of money abroad and then come > on vacations to 'save' Goa. > > > regards, > Samir
Re: [Goanet] the Goan Convention in Toronto
"J. Colaco wrote: I wish to commend the Organising Committee of the Toronto convention for putting together this year's convention. Now that the event is over, it is time to let out a sigh of relief. Well done good people. Well done. I wish we could have been there just to be with the fine Goans of Toronto. Having personally met Lisette & Kevin Saldanha, Ben Antao, Bosco De Mello, Francis Rodrigues, Roland Francis, Mervyn Lobo, and Silviano Barbosa, and interacted several moons ago with John J. De Souza, I knew that the convention was in good hands. Doc, Thanks for your kind words. There is a lot of work to be done in organizing a convention. For those who want the more interesting info on the Toronto convention, here is the link to Goan Voice, Canada. http://www.goanvoice.ca/2008/issue16/newslinecanada.htm#nlc_1 Mervyn3.0 __ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/
Re: [Goanet] Frederick Noronha's Photostream in Vol 3 Issue 943
Oh no, it's great fun! I like to believe that photography is some kind of therapy for me... it stimulates the creative side of my brain (if it exists!) after a lot of hack work that otherwise spews out colourless words, words and words :-) Also, since I use GNU/Linux rather than Windows, there are tools like kflickr, which make a very easy task of updating thousands of photographs to Flickr.com. But I wish more people with links to Goa would share some of the historic, old photographs before they are lost to time and white-ants! As some of mine have! FN 2008/8/2 gwasha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi Frederick, > That is some great work you do with the pics, > must be a lot tedious then we think, > thank you > regards > Ayres deSouza -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org 784 Nr Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India Ph +91-832-2409490 M: +91-9970157402 16,000+ photos from Goa: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/
Re: [Goanet] portuguese passport
Hi Paulo As I said, its always nice to hear something positive. I stand corrected on my error regarding the Citizenship process & the processing of a Passport. The subject line was regarding Portuguese Passports but I made a reading error, was too quick reading the post, not taking it fully on board and lost the link (its creeping Alzheimers on my part, said it before), so ok I apologise this little mistake. I really dont think you needed to go into a tirade over it. I made a simple mistake, a few lines of correction to me would have sufficed. But there is a darker side lurking in your retun post on the subject (bad temper / hung-over / just not happy what life has dished out to you / whatever) As for your comment on my father's nationality & my name being John, well that is correct, I had a Portuguese father, in fact I was born in London by a Portuguese (Catholic) Father (Casimiro Monteiro)... who was at the time (refer to Goanet Archives) under several pseudonyms due to his profession, one of which he used when he signed my birth certificate as Ullah. In fact he signed it Emer Ullah (Emer supposedly was for Emerito, one of his many "Christian" names..). You will find all you need to know about my father if you Google his name, as for my mother, she was half English (Protestant) and half French (Jew). As I said previously (refer to Gaonet archives again), my parents were European, I am European. I lived and breathed Goa for nearly 11 years of my life & have only recently beenable to regain my breath, on Goanet especially but not exclusively (via private emails). Albeit I stumbled upon this website, I cannot leave it alone, I feel my decade in Goa took me to heights I have never been able to regain in the last 47 years of my adult life. In one of my last posts on the subject of my 'parental heritage' I mentioned this & more, and asked (at about the same time as others were discussing their parentage & associated relatives, names / places etc) & received a post saying that if my mother was an Ullah than she was from a very poor muslim background. WHAT ? No point in replying to that poster, who was incorrect (as was I regarding acquiring passport etc). I thought I'd correct him but he had ranted a bit, so decided to leave him thinking he was correct. He was not correct but his ranting grated on my sensibilities, so let him be, then I was pilloried by 3 regular posters for 'vomiting in public'. Yes I made a mistake in both cases, I admit I said what I did & apologised to everyone if I said too much. I mistakenly thought by adding a little of my past to Goanet, I would feel this "Goan family feeling" on this forum, how wrong was I ?? There is such a thing, that exists because I felt it with all our Goan friends & relatives who were in Goa, it is a very special feel, almost brings tears to one's eyes when you experience it. I have never felt this since leaving in 1961, and sad to say, that 'almost Goan family feeling' I had in cyber-space has been obliterated totally when I read the garbled rubbish that followed, from the 'superior' Portuguese Goans who berated me. As I said before, and say it again I also apologise for my mistake regarding the two different subjects, processing of citizenship & processing of passports. It was a genuine error on my part. I have been previously admonished publicly on this forum by one regular poster (I had assumed some posters would have delighted in the tale, in actual fact 5 people emailed me privately to ask me more about my father, and of my mother too..), but on Goanet I was wrong, 2 more regular posters disliked what I said (for their own reasons, but more on this when I have compiled my listings regarding dear daddy & his dealings in Goa / UK / Spain / Russia / Mozambique / South Africa etc etc) but did not take time to answer my question at the end which was the reason for my post) other than cyber-spit in my face. I can still feel the stain of their spittle... Since joining Goanet begining of last year I already mentioned my boyhood in Goa, but lately said I was the result of so many faiths & my involvement in Goa ( inc First Communion in LHS / Margao / Mapuca / Santa Cruz Village / etc), so I keep to myself on this subject now, though I correspond privately to many Goanetters (some who have left because of the rough treatment they have received from some of the regular posters who sit at the front desks of the Goanet Classroom & are first with their hands up to teacher) but I still post occasionally, though my correspondence in the most part is via private emails. Yes the comparison was absurd, and I give you my heartfelt apologies for my mistake. But like I said, there was not need to go into a fit about it. Now you also know that my mother was NOT the product of a poor muslim family bec
Re: [Goanet] In the lighter vein: Rape of Goa at Grace Church hall
2008/8/2 Joe Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Dear Tony Martin, > I seem to notice that many goans who write in to GoaNet do not seem to > realise that " loose " and " lose" are two English words that have > entirely different meanings and cannot be used interchangeably. > Hence we have statements like : " with the high rates of migrants > arriving in Goa we shall loose our identity" from correspondents who > write perfectly grammatical English otherwise. ADDITION: As well as using 'effect' when they clearly mean 'affect' -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
Re: [Goanet] Betrayal by the GBA and the task force farce
Come to think of it, and by the very same logic that Sam employs, should the so called 'father of the Indian Nation' Mahatma Gandhi also have been kicked on his behind and sent packing to South Africa where he had minted his money during his working life??? floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Samir Kelekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 2:08 AM Subject: [Goanet] Betrayal by the GBA and the task force farce Francis writes: I don't believe that the umbilical cord that inexorably links a child of Goa to its motherland, can ever be duplicated by a non-native. It's simply a fact of life. Argue what you will. This is clearly a xenophobic argument. Especially, it is funny when many of the people who argue this, go abroad, take citizens of foreign countries, make money there, and then come back to claim their motherland. What right do they have to claim their motherland? What have they contributed to their motherland all their life? They should be given a kick on their backside and asked to scoot off! They will --- very soon because their loyalities actually lie with some other country. Yes, they may be able to buy some localites because sure they have money, no doubt. On the other hand, those who may not be born in Goa but who have lived all their life in Goa, and contributed to Goa deserve to be Goans much more than someone who is just born in Goa. regards, Samir
[Goanet] Talking Photos: Please identify this Church and the Spring in front of it
Talking Photos: Please identify this Church and the Spring in front of it Where is this Church? http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2724909680/sizes/l/ This is in front of the Church http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2724909888/sizes/l/ Close up http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2724085981/sizes/l/ Again, this is also in front of the Church (behind the Statue) It is a natural Spring. Look at the state of this beautiful spring. http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2724910748/sizes/l/ another: close-up view of the neglected spring http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2724086331/sizes/l/ Clues: - Not in the south - Not in Bardez, Bicholim, Satari or Pernem - The Church is so large but Catholic population is very low - I, as a child, used to have bath at the Spring (--that’s about 55 years ago--) Another photo clue with side Road etc http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2724940566/sizes/l/ For Prev. Answer check this out http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2720212229/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa __ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html
[Goanet] Altering names / Portuguese citizenship
Dear Venantius et al As regards Indians easily changing names, mis-spelling names, it must be said that many did it for the same reasons why they are seeking Portuguese citizenship today, namely practical needs of life. One need not search for ideologies or patriotisms, or blame priests of Bombay! Before the independence of India, many Goans sought to pass off as Anglo-Indians. That was a door to enter the railway job, post offices, etc. Hence, Dias became Days, Lobo became Lobow, Coutinho became Coutts, etc. Message: 3 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:36:22 -0400 From: "Venantius Pinto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] portuguese passport To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Not just the Indian registries but also, many priests in Bombay / Mumbai hacked (better still dismembered) off the names of individuals when they came to Bombay to get married. I guess it had something to do with their modern proclivities, education and bringing order...
Re: [Goanet] Frederick Noronha's Photostream in Vol 3 Issue 943
Hi Iain, Thanks for your kind words, and please call me Frederick. There is already a blanket permission for non-commercial re-use of these photographs. Feel free to use them anytime. Regards, FN 2008/8/2 Iain Colquhoun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Dear Mr Noronha > How refreshing and interesting to view your wonderful photos of everyday life > in Goa. > May I, with your permission of course, "save" the website to view these at my > leisure? Over 16K photos is an awful lot of downloading/viewing for one > sitting, but if pages 1-8 are anything to go by, it will be a great way to > while away some empty hours. > Many thanks for sharing these with Goanet readers. > Best wishes > Iain Colquhoun > Candolim -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org 784 Nr Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India Ph +91-832-2409490 M: +91-9970157402 16,000+ photos from Goa: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/
[Goanet] Goa Bachao Abhiyan is far from over
Dear George, The GBA was set up with a three point charter as recorded in the Memorandum to the Governor of Goa, signed by over 6,500 people in Goa at the first public meeting on 18 Decembe, 2008, at Azad Maidan, Panaji and submitted to the Governor with copies to the Chief Minister and Chief Secretary for record. The three points are 1. Revocation of the Regional Plan 2011. 2. Involvement of the people of Goa in the planning process and 3. Reformulation of a new Regional Plan through a participatory process. 1.REVOCATION: There was no law available to REVOKE the Regional Plan when notified. Through the effort of the people of Goa, inspired and led by the GBA, the law was legislated and the RPG 2011 was revoked. In theory you say. So be it. The correct terminology, I believe is "de jure" . Right now, one cannot construct on the Betim hill, the Baga Calangute hill, at Quitol-Canaguinim, etc. In the last 18 months, these places would have been converted .and there would be an International Cricket Stadium in Tivim! [Remember the Fatorday stadium was started and completed in less than 8 months.] This is not a GBA success. It is the success of the people of Goa, inspired and led by GBA. Don't ask me, ask the people in Tivim, Quitol, Baga, etc. Go to Verna SEZ or Keri-Ponda SEZ and ask them what they feel about GBA's involvement in SVM. Ask them who inspired and led the people to stop the SEZ construction labour and machinery at the two sites. Go to Colomb-Quepem and ask the villagers what they felt when the GBA team came there on 26 March, 2008 or 05 June, 2008 when they were under pressure. Do not take offence to the fact that i requested you not to send money to the GBA when you offered. It is not because we do not want YOUR money. It was because we did not need MONEY then and we do not need money at the moment. People had already contributed money, and there is money to spare because we all work for free. We love Goa as much as you do ...and a little bit more because we live here. As I wrote then, I write now, When we need money we will ask. The war is far from over. it may not even end in our generation. 2.INVOLVEMENT OF THE PEOPLE: What is happening in the Gram Sabha meetings across Goa was triggered by the empowering of the people through the GBA for the 26 January, 2007, resolution against the RPG 2011. When the people realised that their resolutions in their villages shook the Goa Government that was preparing for elections, they realised that the Sarpanch was a small fly on the wall. That is the miracle that keeps repeating. The GBA inspires. It cannot do everything. It is done on voluntary basis. We are not gods. We know our limitiations and the infinite power of T.E.A.M. Together Everyone Achieves More. Yesterday, Oscar Rebelo thought he was "Pele". Tomorrow he will realise the value of the T.E.A.M. of which he was the star player with the Media persons as his cheerleaders. He was their darling. The operative word is "WAS". What is the Palm Sunday Donkey [PSD] worth without Jesus on its back. The PSD was not crucified, Jesus was. The PSD is remembered by a few on Palm Sunday. Jesus has more than a billion followers 2000 years after his death . because of resurrection. Yesterday was a partial solar eclipse in Goa. The place darkened a little bit more because of Oscar. Today is another day bright and beautiful. There is a presentation o on the TCP [Amendmant] Act, 2008. The people of Goa will get it revoked ...through their Gram Sabha resolutions, village by village. The process began last Sunday. Ten more villages have their Gram Sabha meetings on the 03 Aug. They will move and pass the resolutions. The GBA inspires and leads. The people do. The people win. That is all that matters. Doesn't it? Is it not what Goa Sudharop works for? 3.RE-RORMULATION of the RPG 2021 Amidst criticism of "kissing ass", the GBA stood by its written commitment to the people of Goa specially to the 6,500-plus signatories to the 18 December, 2006, Memorandum to the Government and participated in the Task Force on RPG 2021 when it was constituted on 04 October, 2007, to frame the GUIDELINES for the TCP to prepare the RPG 2021. On 26 February, 2008, the Goa government changed the Goal posts and made the mandate of the Task Force to PREPARE the RPG 2021. Opinion was divided. Most of us disagreed with the changed mandate. Architect Ritu Prasad informed the Task Force that the GBA does not agree with the changed mandate. Dr. Oscar told them the GBA agreed ...when that was NOT the Truth. Ritu bore the snub in silence for the sake of the cause and unity. We discussed it in the GBA. We did not make an issue out of it outside the GBA as it would affect the credibility of Oscar. Apparently, he does not care for it himself. The Goa Government then shifted the goalposts again. With the connivance of the Opposition parties, it pass
Re: [Goanet] In the lighter vein: Rape of Goa at Grace Church hall
& they shamelessly snigger at our dear Churchill, when he creates high-carat gems... AT> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 10:48:17 -0700> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] In the lighter vein: Rape of Goa at Grace Church hall> > Goanet is read by thousands of readers. It is very irritating to read messages written in horrible English, particularly, by someone like Mr. Barad who is supposed to be an author of several books and a doctor. > > Check this:> --on account of which I organized Rape of Goa at Grace Church hall in Margao through > --one of the NGO. > > --On the day both were peaceful and calm and literary busy educating Goans > > --Goa is getting wiped out from the Scenic beauty. > > --I am more then convinced that GBA did not leave to the expectation > > --instead of saving Goa, the members saved themselves! > > --I had also written article in Goan local news media lauding on this issue. > > --will push Goa to finish. > > ** Tony Martin English Teacher, Freelance Writer and Author > Dubai, UAE Cell: 050-1460524 *> > > _ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE
[Goanet] Thank you English Teacher & Author : - )
Thank you Anthony M. Barreto (alias Tony Martin), the English Teacher, Freelance Writer and Author for your message No 3, dated Friday, 1 August 2008. Since you claim yourself to be an author, you should have known the various stages/processes the written manuscript under goes before it's taken up for DTP work and printing. As for my postings to Goanet are concerned I have clarified on this issue you brought out several times and hence I need not re-write the same. Check Goanet archives on this count. If you trace Goanet Archives you will find what Goanetters had posted and pointed out on the grammatical mistakes that were left uncorrected in your own authored books: - ) I believe those manuscripts of yours had not undergone various checking stages just because you felt that you are too good English Teacher : - ) I only hope Dubai citizens learn good English from you: -) Though I have blocked you very recently for your off line mails, you can continue expressing your hatred to me at Goanet. Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
Re: [Goanet] George Pinto and prostitution
Hi Samir Amen to what you just wrote, regards Aayres deSouza On 8/2/08, Samir Kelekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > George PInto writes: > > >If houses of prostitution were set up all over Goa and prostitutes >brought > in from other states, Goans would be up in arms. Now, we have > > George, > Since you are in California, and a US citizen also, could you throw > some light on the amount of prostitution legal or illegal --- in your > home state California? > > > "Saving Goa" is real cool, actually hip, when you are supported by Uncle Sam > and have a green card or citizenship. Because when the going gets tough, you > can always > take the next flight back home, as our Mr. Foul Mouth is doing currently. > (If you had some conscience and you were a US citizen, you would first save > your country > before saving Goa.) > > What guarantee there is --- these wanna-be Goa savers will last out > even two years from now? > > I would rather root for the Patricias, and the Sabinas who have given > their life to Goa rather than those who first save > their asses by minting lots of money abroad and then come on vacations to > 'save' Goa. > > > regards, > > Samir > > > > > -- Ayres deSouza
Re: [Goanet] In the lighter vein: Rape of Goa at Grace Church hall
Dear Tony Martin, I seem to notice that many goans who write in to GoaNet do not seem to realise that " loose " and " lose" are two English words that have entirely different meanings and cannot be used interchangeably. Hence we have statements like : " with the high rates of migrants arriving in Goa we shall loose our identity" from correspondents who write perfectly grammatical English otherwise. - Original Message - From: "Anthony M Barreto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 1:48 PM Subject: [Goanet] In the lighter vein: Rape of Goa at Grace Church hall Goanet is read by thousands of readers. It is very irritating to read messages written in horrible English, particularly, by someone like Mr. Barad who is supposed to be an author of several books and a doctor. Check this: --on account of which I organized Rape of Goa at Grace Church hall in Margao through --one of the NGO. --On the day both were peaceful and calm and literary busy educating Goans --Goa is getting wiped out from the Scenic beauty. --I am more then convinced that GBA did not leave to the expectation --instead of saving Goa, the members saved themselves! --I had also written article in Goan local news media lauding on this issue. --will push Goa to finish. ** Tony Martin English Teacher, Freelance Writer and Author Dubai, UAE Cell: 050-1460524 *
[Goanet] Switch off auto-pilot, GOG, and get hands on!
Today's TOI has a story titled "GPCC panel backs plans for Mopa". In it Francisco Sardinha displays touching faith in the PM's assurance that "there should be n doubt" regarding two-airpor operation in Goa "after the Centre passes a Rs 500 crore budget for Dabolim airport". "After"? There's many a slip twixt cup and lip, right? The worthies in Goa govt (GOG) would be well avised to switch ff the auto-pilot of plans based on high level assurances and start thinking and managing it themselves. As the saying goes, God helps those who help themselves. As the ICAO itself said in its "draft final report" (to use NT's characterisation) "it is of utmost imprtance for the Government of Goa to establish an airport development strategy " for Mopa which is win-win for both the airports, given "the small amount of airport traffic" of the state. This is what GOG needs to be elaborating on, thoughtfully. Instead it is playing the same old tune of "Mopa will be able to offer the facilities available at other international airports which Dabolim has been unable to offer due to space constraints". This suggests problems of passenger terminal space at Dabolim. The runway is fine for jumbo jets, right? When Mopa was proposed back in 1998, it was suspected that the purpose was a combination of political greed and military craft. The same seems to hold true today too given the peristence over an international airport mega project. It is going to be doubtful if the so-called steering committee which is suposed to be announced any day will do any thing other than its master's bidding.
Re: [Goanet] Sindi Organizations in Goa
Try 'Lal Krisshna Advani' for one :-)) floriano - Original Message - From: "John DSouza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 2:21 AM Subject: [Goanet] Sindi Organizations in Goa I friend of mine is looking for the contact address of Sindi organizations in Goa. I would appreciate any information. Warm regards, John D'Souza Moderator Margao-Net
Re: [Goanet] Citizens' [of Goa] Initiative
Dear Ed, Floriano is not averse to follow any 'good' advice that comes his way. Afterall, if one wants to stitch a new (political?) robe for mother Goa, there is a need to have many tailors on the job, and, importantly, there is a need for an overall co-ordinated supervision to see that all the stiching is done according to the laid out master plan/design. It would be a sheer waste of time and effort in so doing if this was missing. It must be remembered that it is not enough that only 'Miguel' and 'Florian' and 'Cecil' and.. work with the needles,. There must be a lot of 'committed' others in the background to supply the thread too, if the needles are to be kept industriously busy :-)) Thank you. floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Edward Verdes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 2:29 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Citizens' [of Goa] Initiative Well I think...Floriano is following Miguels advise. Its good to see both working togather for the good of Goa! Dev Borem Korum Edward Verdes From: "Cecil Pinto" P.S. It was also good to see that Floriano and Miguel are finally working together. Much water has flowed under the bridge since their earlier confrontations. There is no denying that both of them give so much of their time and energies for a better Goa. They work in different ways but together, and with some more like minded people, I think they would be a formidable team.
[Goanet] correctionS.
Correction: Please read the word "with" as "without." I mean to say Kevin did NOT consult the committee. In the last para of Part II, I said "attended" which should have been "ended." Trying to check and correct glaring mistakes late today after returning from a tiring daylong trip to the Niagara region. Eugene __ It is learnt that Kevin took the decision to give the awards to Al and Mons. D'Souza WITHOUT consulting the committee. This is one instance of how the husband-and-wife team dominated the whole convention. It was rather wrong on the committee to give the wife the post of Events Coordinator when the husband held the post of Convention Director.
Re: [Goanet] On conflicts over Conflict of Interest
Rajan P. Parrikar wrote: > In this thread, nobody has called into question > Dean's integrity, or his desire to do good by Goa, > or his service for the good of Goa. I have myself > met him briefly on a couple of occasions and he > came across as a genteel person (in very stark > contrast to the coarse, crude, & foul-mouthed > moi). > If the usual suspects still don't get it, I can arrange > to send over a qualified proctologist for a thorough > flushing, oil change and tune-up. r, I am glad that you can clearly identify who has the clean plumbing and who has the foul stuff. I am astounded that you even know what the remedy is. Now, if you know you are full of the crude and coarse stuff, why don't you take own advice and get your system cleaned up? Mervyn3.0 __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.
[Goanet] Talking Photos: Indian style v/s Western style
Talking Photos:Indian Style v/s Western Style Indian style http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2720215193/ Western style http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukindia/2720214907/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa __ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html
