[Goanet-News] Goa news for September 20, 2008
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** GOA and Mythic Entertainment LAUNCH Warhammer ONline: Age of Reckoning - WebWire (press release) [Sep 18, 2008] This is a landmark day for the entire company, said Ghislaine Le Rhun, Managing Director of GOA. The launch of Warhammer® Online has been a gigantic ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/9-0fd=Rurl=http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?aId=75109cid=1247452984ei=-zXUSO2AGoriggPrweHHBgusg=AFQjCNEK0JYTKiD0jq8c-lrJ-s0BqSJ6lQ *** Goa faces bleak future on tourism front - Economic Times [Sep 17, 2008] PANAJI-MUMBAI: When charter tourism was first mooted in Goa in the late 80s, the picturesque beach state was billed as Indias tourism capital. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/7-0fd=Rurl=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News_By_Industry/Services/Goa_faces_bleak_future_on_tourism_front/articleshow/3495987.cmscid=1247410557ei=-zXUSO2AGoriggPrweHHBgusg=AFQjCNGsyGxtGj5fAoB2QEQ8xnhi4IXOtA *** First charter flight to Goa cancelled - Herald Publications [19 hours ago] PANJIM, SEPT 18 Goas first chartered flight this season, Minar, from Moscow, which was to land at Dabolim airport on September 27 to mark the start of ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/8-0fd=Rurl=http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=10018cid=2cid=1247940618ei=-zXUSO2AGoriggPrweHHBgusg=AFQjCNH2s2y98GzXcsBQ4dDob_l-AxaDag *** Goa not Reddy-made for mega housing projects - Herald Publications [19 hours ago] MARGAO, SEPT 18 Union Minister for Urban Development Jaipal Reddy has categorically said the Goa government should take into account various factors, ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/6-0fd=Rurl=http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=10012cid=2cid=1248065955ei=-zXUSO2AGoriggPrweHHBgusg=AFQjCNExnmvmKT4Y3eSCAH3nahailiE58A *** Goa\'s tourism industry anxious after first flight cancellation - Hindu Business Line [Sep 18, 2008] PANAJI: With the cancellation of the season's first chartered flight bringing in foreign tourists, Goa's tourism industry is apprehensive of a drop in ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/4-0fd=Rurl=http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/blnus/27181721.htmcid=1247619291ei=-zXUSO2AGoriggPrweHHBgusg=AFQjCNFIVed3xsUH9l05tVUHgw1QvYI5mQ *** Aldona United Beat St. Anthony Guirim in All-Goa Inter-Village ... - Khaleej Times [3 hours ago] dubai #148; Shanu Halankers two second-half goals helped Aldona United beat St. Anthony Guirim 3-0 and a spot in the quarterfinals of the 5th All-Goa ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/3-0fd=Rurl=http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?xfile=data/sports/2008/September/sports_September524.xmlsection=sportscol=cid=1248246204ei=-zXUSO2AGoriggPrweHHBgusg=AFQjCNHFlkfxgI3BbbsrUtO-p__oNRSmKQ *** Hindujas looks at tipper truck body plant in Goa - Thaindian.com [9 hours ago] Chennai, Sep 19 (IANS) The Hinduja group is considering setting up a tipper truck body plant in Goa, the company said Friday.A company statement said the ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/5-0fd=Rurl=http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/business/hindujas-looks-at-tipper-truck-body-plant-in-goa_10097623.htmlcid=1248145059ei=-zXUSO2AGoriggPrweHHBgusg=AFQjCNHcKv04ZZTtHNsBAdvDZMXBVBLu5g *** Sesa Goa: Melting - Business Standard [Sep 18, 2008] Iron ore producer Sesa Goas stock price has come off by about 47 per cent since early June 2008. Thats probably because spot prices of iron ore have been ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/2-0fd=Rurl=http://www.business-standard.com/india/storypage.php?autono=334809cid=1247499083ei=-zXUSO2AGoriggPrweHHBgusg=AFQjCNFPJF3hUmtWt32Nkf8OSuqGZ_3RIA *** Goa\'s IFFI hopes soar with official\'s transfer - Times of India [22 hours ago] PANAJI: The path for Goa to organise the International Film Festival of India (IFFI) on its own got easier with the transfer of director of film festivals ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/1-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Goas_IFFI_hopes_soar_with_officials_transfer/articleshow/3501110.cmscid=0ei=-zXUSO2AGoriggPrweHHBgusg=AFQjCNG-k1kuq5zDy-08wLPya7ZDqX9XJw *** Student pulled up for post on blog, quits Goa University - Times of India [22 hours ago] PANAJI: Jay Joshi, a student of the political science department at the Goa University, said that the humiliation caused after being pulled up for ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/0-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Student_pulled_up_for_post_on_blog_quits_Goa_University/articleshow/3501108.cmscid=1248196996ei=-zXUSO2AGoriggPrweHHBgusg=AFQjCNFVu0xUW_wiXO3-mP7W09Lu_xPAZQ Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
Re: [Goanet] Glimpses of Konknni
Dears Let me clarify: It's not Prof. S. M. Borges but I who have been adding the prefix 'Prof.' before his name in Gulab Goan Review. I also address him as 'Prosorbab' any objection? Isn't it my prerogative to give prominence whomsover I wish to in Gulab or the Goan Review? Although I can forcefully counter many other bigot views expressed in this mail, I refrain from doing as I do not have time to waste after such foolish issues. We have to accept we are living in stupid times and dealing with bigot minds. One can give one's opinion, but need not force his/her opinion on others in a frustrated manner stooping very low and indulging in mudslinging and character assasinating. Only people with ulterior motives and who stand to gain out of the issue need to do that. The rest I leave it to you to decide. Fausto Miguel wrote: 2. S.M. Borges became the member of the editorial board of Gulab GULAB Konkani monthly from 2005. Fausto V. da Costa is the editor. S.M.Borges name is printed as Prof. S.M.Borges under the section Editorial Board in the years 2005 to 2007 and in January and February of 2008. It is also found in articles in Gulab of October 2006 page 13. Jun 2008 pp 8 and 9. 3. The Goan Review, a Konkani and English bi-monthly, is published from Mumbai. Fausto da Costa is the editor and publisher. S.M.Borges writes regularly for this periodical. He has written his name as Prof. S.M.Borges in his articles. Let me give reference to a few only May-June 2005 p.10 , July-August 2005 p. 8 , September-October 2005 p. 8 , November-December 2005 p. 8 , January-February 2006 p. 8 , March-April 2006 p. 22 and May-Jun 2006 p.22 Let readers decide whether Prof. Borges could be trusted for what he writes on periodicals and on the internet. If he so convinced that Devnagari is the natural script of Konkani then let him write Konkani only in his 'natural' script and stop immediately to write Konkani in Roman script (foreign, unnatural, according to him). He was immersed in his study of stones and totally unknown to the Konkani world till 2004. He began to write in Konkani and about Konkani from the year 2004. After the death of Fr. Freddy da Costa he was given prominence in Gulab and the Goan Review by their editor Fausto da Costa, the brother of Fr. Freddy. Sotachench zoit zatollem! Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 03:04:49 +0530 From: Sebastian Borges [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fausto dacosta [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 05:02:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Glimpses of Konknni Subject: [Goanet] Sebastian Borges [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Glimpses of Konknni Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear friends, The article, Glimpses of Konknni in Roman script by Fr. Pratap Naik, though sketchy, is fairly truthful. hide the fact that not a single Konkani book in Roman script was printed between 1660 and 1890 any where in the world? And also that no Konkani book was printed in Goa even between 1890 and 1928?I hereby challenge Fr.Pratap Naik to prove me wrong on this count; and this is not the first time I am throwing this challenge. Fr. Naik also exploded his own pet myth: that Devanagari script is of the Hindus whilst Roman script is of the Roman Catholics. He now proves what I have been consistently stressing; that when it comes to using Devanagari for writing / teaching Konkani, it is Catholic Goans who have led the way and the Hindus, including Saraswats, followed much later. To the evidence adduced by Fr. Naik, one could add the following: in 1926, Francisco Pedro Borges wrote a Konkani (Devanagari) religious book of 198 pages entitled Kristanv Bhavartheacho dispott'tto sangati; this was printed in Khanapur. At the threshold of the twentieth century, a matriculate (equivalent to XI passed) Shenoy Goembab, in his twenties/thirties, published some Konkani translations in Roman script. And this is held against him. Some ignoramuses also think that this is a revelation, little realizing that the info is found in my translation of Shenoy Goembab's biography. I would be very happy to receive clarifications on the above points. Sotachench Zoit Zatolem. Sebastian Borges Dear Prof. Sebastiao Mariano Borges, For a retired lecturer who prefixed his name with a Prof. for a decade while using the signature ending Sotachench Zoit Zatolem. Sebastian Borges credibility cannot be ...and is not an issue! For a person who roared that the Devangari edition of Mr. Lourdinho Rodrigues's book Mahabharot was a pirated version, wand then could only dig up the late Confusius Cardoz's article in the GULAB as proof of a non-starter, throwing challenges is easy. Did Shenoi Goybab do his PH.D. in Konkani or Linguistics between the time he wrote his first dozen [or fourteen] publications in Roman Script before migrating to the holy Devanagri script? Was Matricula Std. XI or Std. VII during the relevant period of Shenoi Goybab, the doyen of the
Re: [Goanet] Inappropriate question marks appearing in Goanet posts
Mario wrote: When I asked my question it was obviously addressed to those on Goanet who were computer savvy, not those who have no idea what I am talking about as the uncouth response above shows. While suggesting that 'no one' is reading my posts, Dr. Jose obviously does, or how else would he make such a response? Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:33:46 -0400 From: J. Colaco jc [EMAIL PROTECTED] because jose is a sub-Kunbi Harijan i.e. a No One' Mario responds: I don't know about the first part of this self-evaluation as I don't acknowledge caste as applying to any Christian, under the unconfirmed assumption that you are one, but I will accept your self-opinion in the second part:-)). However, gratuitously inserting oneself into discussions that only display one's ignorance of the subject matter is hardly a way to become someone. In addition to the response by Venantius, I have received a few responses off-Goanet that they are seeing the same anomaly.
Re: [Goanet] History of the Middle Finger
Nigel, Are you always fond of stating the obvious? Hint, hint 1) A Parsi friend of mine sent this to me 2) This was not addressed to Goa Research Net or the History Channel. Roland. On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 6:37 AM, Nigel Britto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This story is a myth! One of the most famous internet rumors of all time :) Truth Liberates, Nigel Britto
Re: [Goanet] What To Do In Falling Markets - Off Topic
Kindly let readers know your qualifications and credentials - if you are professionally qualified. Really sorry about, I should have posted a disclaimer. I am not having any professional credentials re stock markets but I am a investor for about 3 years now. I posted about nifty at 2600-3000 based on a moneycontrol interview. (check below) Even Dow at 7200 is a technical report posted by some analyst. Also that is the reason why I suggested people interested in investing in indian stocks should do so based on a responsible advisory service like Equitymaster.com regards Rishikesh -- Q: Do you have a timeline drawn along those levels? What do you expect the markets to do when the Nifty reaches above the 4400 mark? A: If the Nifty goes below the 4400 levels, then in about six months we will see the 2600 level. We should bounce from there. There is a minimum target for the Nifty at around the 2750 mark. The Sensex is a little more bearish and the minimum target I set would be at around 9,200. http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/news/fii-view/sensex-not-to-fall-beyond-9k-levelsray-barros/19/08/347903 --- Also Dow at 7200 http://www.nysun.com/business/the-dow-at-7200-superbears-scary-roar/82182/ --- It seems target for Dow is around 7200 and for Indian stocks - nifty around 2600 and Sensex at 7500. Some tremors will be felt in india - mostly for real estate speculators. Interest rates should go up so would home loans, so less buying. Many who bought the second homes in Goa, might be interested in selling now. All that India growth story turned out to be Ambani growth story. Once Nifty goes to around 2600-3000, wait for a month or two for midcap and small caps to melt down and make long term investments in potential. Subscribe to a service like Equitymaster and invest in their recommended stocks. Also invest on monthly basis in a SIP (piecemeal) way. regards Rishikesh BTW Gold would really appreciate with all this problems.
Re: [Goanet] Inappropriate question marks appearing in Goanet posts
Chacha Alfredji, I did not realise that Mario G also was a mark-Six. Accha Ok, Now only I am undershtanding. That is why only Mario G placing question marks. your phavourite bhatija jc 2008/9/18 Alfred de Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED]: brother Mario .The poor chap is horribly dogged by the Gadgil-syndrome:
[Goanet] Cops incited attacks on Christians: Probe
Friday, September 19, 2008 Cops incited attacks on Christians: Probe A fact-finding team assessing attacks against Christians in Karnataka has held the state government “directly responsible for allowing violence to spread”. The team’s investigations revealed that first churches and schools were attacked, said Harcharan Singh Josh, the fact-finding team and National Commission for Minorities (NCM) member. These attacks were “followed by male policemen beating up innocent women and children (as) the top state officials and ministers remained mute spectators”. The fact-finding team also found the pattern of attacks similar to those in Orissa. “The Bajrang Dal’s role has been established and we’d apprise the Centre of our findings,” Josh said. The observations against Bajrang Dal came on a day when the Centre turned the heat on organisations responsible for attacks on Christians in Orissa and Karnataka. The report is expected to strengthen the case for a central directive under Article 355 of the Constitution to Karnataka and Orissa. The Centre has been worried at the “inability or reluctance” of the two states to take effective steps, a senior government official said. Girija Vyas, another team member and chairperson of the National Commission for Women, said the state police’s role was “shocking and shameful”. During its tour of the worst-affected district, Mangalore, the team concluded that “there was no law and order in the state”. “Violence against a particular community has been allowed to spread to three districts without any provocation. Statues of Jesus Christ and Virgin Mary were desecrated. Could all this have happened without the state government’s role?” asks Josh. Vyas said the attacks against Christians that began in Mangalore had now spread to Kolar, Dakshina Kannada and Chikmagalur. The team, which also included National Commission for Minorities Chairman SY Qureshi, will submit its report to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh next week. © Copyright 2008 HT Media Ltd. All rights reserved. -- My life has changed. What about yours? Log on to the new Indiatimes Mail and Live out of the Inbox! http://mail.indiatimes.com
[Goanet] It’s raining ‘men’!
It's raining 'men'! My Goan heart bleeds for Calcutta By Cecil Pinto Columnist Sudeep Chakravarti interviews journalist turned author Cecil Pinto on his latest book Once Upon A Time In Kalikata. Sudeep: The blurb on your book says that you evoke the essence of a city on the verge of losing its soul. But Kolkata has survived many such doomsayers and continues to be the City of Joy. Cecil: So now you are the Voice of Calcutta? Mithun Chakraborty, Bengali actor and former naxalite, agrees with my views. So there! Sudeep: Talking of naxalites your previous book, Red Mud is acclaimed as a fine piece of writing about the ill effects of mining in Goa. Wasn't there some mention of naxalism there? Cecil: No there wasn't. The bogey of naxalism was raised by Manohar Parrikar but aggravated by your fellow Bong journalist settled in Goa, Sujay Gupta. At least he doesn't claim to be more Goan than the Goans. Sudeep: Your first novel Fresh Fish, set in a rural middle-class school, is considered a fantastic coming of age novel. It has an understated poignancy and wisdom which this new book lacks. Cecil: Fresh Fish was an authorbiographical book. That's why it rings true. I'm not very good at pure fiction. Sudeep: Surely you mean autobiographical? Cecil: No I mean authorbiographical. It is a term I have invented to describe a genre where the author presents a dramatised and fictionalised account of his own life. He may or may not use his own name for the character. Fresh Fish was essentially my school life. Sudeep: So why didn't you write Once Upon A Time In Kalikata in the same style? There is obviously very little engagement with the characters this time around. Cecil: I wanted to tell many stories I had heard from other people. I wanted to cast aspersions on some people. I wanted to check out some of my conspiracy theories by throwing a few baits. Each character in this book is based on two or three real life characters. That's why they don't feel real. I wanted to show how clever I am at playing with names. Very little in this novel is first hand… Sudeep: Yes that shows. Perhaps you were trying a Dan Brown technique of using religious shock value to get readers. Maybe that explains why throughout the book you refer to a sacred female deity, Goddess Durga, in a very casual and in fact derogatory way? Cecil: No. That was a genuine mistake. It was only brought to my attention after the book launch. An unintentional cultural gaffe if you will. Sudeep: But surely there are expert editors to take care of these things? In your acknowledgements you mention many Bongs who helped you to understand Calcutta and Bengalis and phraseology and translation and… Cecil: Well except for that Durga thing I got everything else right, and I don't need you to authenticate anything! Sudeep: Ha! Almost all your Bong characters speak a pidgin English I have never heard in a lifetime in Calcutta. Cecil: Have you heard Utpal Dutt in Gol Maal? Sudeep: He was playing a part, for heavens sake. And one person speaking a pidgin English is different from almost every Bong in your book speaking a language which sounds more like Bandra-Catholic-English than anything I've ever heard. What, men? I'm dere no, men. Dat true id-jut? Dis ting, men. Annuder Indu God, brudder? What men bugger? Dis men, dat men. Why have you caricaturised most Bongs into some typical stereotypical pidgin speaking idiot that seem to exist only in your Goan head? We Bongs might literally translate from Bengali to English but we do not speak pidgin English! Cecil: Are you denying that all Bongs use Keo Karpin hair oil, eat murighonto made of fish heads, carry a cloth jhola bag, wear a monkey cap and spout Rabindrasangeet? Sudeep: Hello. Here I am, as Bong as anyone. Do I do all these things? Your presumptions make me sick. Cecil: Since when are you the representative of all Bongs? And talking of sickness, as my book clearly shows, you Bongs cannot reply to a polite 'How are you?' without an obnoxious explanation of your ulcers and piles and burning sensations and bowel movements. All of which of course can be cured with Gelusil, Pudin Hara and Mustard Oil. Sudeep: Let's change the topic. Naming your fictitious area in Calcutta as Gomorraha is very offensive; specially considering you took it as the shortening of the name of a deity. Cecil: Well at least the part about every fourth Bong being named Dabashis is true. And that every Bong in addition to the 'good' name has a pet name like Montu, Dinku, Shontuda or Protima, Shampa, Champa and Tuktuki. Sudeep: Eeeesh! Cecil: And you will also deny that all Bong parents focus their children's entire education, marriage and career towards a Nobel Prize, Oscar Award or Indian Cricket Team Capitancy? Eta shotti hocchhe?! Sudeep: Kee Kando! Cecil: Aren't all your women large eyed and curvaceous. I mean see Bipasha Basu, Pooja Bedi, Konkona Sen Sharma, Rani Mukherji, Raakhee, Sushmita Sen and even Rahul Bose.
[Goanet] violence against Christians in Mangalore
Laluram Salvi has forwarded article by Deepak Kamat specifying the reasons for violence and vandalisation of churches. However he needs to answer the following questions: 1.If New Life was distributing literature denigrating Hindu gods and godesses, the lawful thing to do was to lodge a complaint with the Police and let law take its course.It is completely unlawful for the sangh parivar to take law into its hands and start dispensing perceived justice. In this regard in what way are they different from muslim fundamentalists who went haywire following the painting of a cartoon of the Prophet in a Danish newspaper? They are both sides of the same coin. 2.Re other allegations of 'forceful'conversions, Laluram is called upon to provide evidence / proof, failing which it will be treated as nothing more than propaganda. 3.Re killing of Swami Lakshmananda, I have asked him in the past to produce evidence / proof that it was the work of christian missionaries. But till date he has not been able to do so. He will continue saying what his masters / handlers tell him as he is not able to think gor himself. I do not think it is worth responding any more to his emails. Regards, Marshall -- My life has changed. What about yours? Log on to the new Indiatimes Mail and Live out of the Inbox! http://mail.indiatimes.com
[Goanet] Daily Grook #222
DAILY GROOK #222 _ MARKET ROCKET _ by Francis Rodrigues wall street flips as workers fret, on all their lips is diss and debt! _ puns word-play of all kinds, if you read between the lines! _ http://2008goanconvention.com/nostalgia.php _
[Goanet] Nostalgia #6
Nostalgia Pic #6: _ A brilliant vintage Ford roadster from 1979, idling at a Khorlim (Mapusa) lumber yard on the way to Assagao. Whilst most of the 70's phoren autos in Goa were 'Africander' imports, the 50's, 60's were characterised by American imports (via Portugal and Germany) like the Chevrolet, Pontiac, Ford and the Teutonic Volkswagen and Mercedes! This zippy number must date at least from the 50'sanybody? Take a look - don't forget to click on the photo to unfurl - here it is: http://2008goanconvention.com/nostalgia.php Picture: courtesy Tony Fernandes Goa - Memories of my Homeland (Poems Short Stories) pub. Canada: http://tonferns.blogspot.com/ FR. _
[Goanet] POSTCARDS FROM AMCHE GOA
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Re: [Goanet] Translations_Equal Opportunity
Venatius-bab, Sarkem tujem. Mog asum, SALU On 9/18/08, Venantius Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I have helped translate a few pieces where references have been made to the Marathi lobby vs Konknni; about Hindus being smart as opposed to Christians sleeping, etc. All very true and in no way derogatory, in fact quite anguished. To reiterate, the point being that none of these in any way have denigrated Hindus or the Marathi lobby in Goa. Likewise, I am more than willing to translate poems or songs from Devnagiri, Marathi, Hindi, Urdu or Konknni -- written by members of the two groups mentioned. Of course, time and my ability to translate complex material permitting. So if someone says that Christians are idiots -- I will absolutely translate it and help you get your views out in English, Goanet moderators permitting; and being that I am, an equal opportunity translation asylum. Translations as most people should know is not easy, paticulaly if one wishes to maintain the voice of the writer from various vernaculars. I can also do this from other languages but then I will have to give up my current job, which I am not ready to do yet. : ) Venantius
[Goanet] Bangalore airport heading for trouble?
Bangalore int'l airport heading for bankruptcy By Faye D'Souza/CNBC-TV18 http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/news/business/bangalore-intl-airport-headi ng-for-bankruptcy/20/20/352054 It does seem like the Semiens, LT, and Zurich airports consortium that built the Bengaluru International Airport is headed for trouble. BIAL said it would be bankrupt in a few years if it were not allowed to charge domestic passengers a user development fee every time they fly out of BangaloreBIAL officials said **they needs to recover the Rs 2,500 crore invested in the airport in the first five years**. The user development fee is an integral part of their recovery plan. The airport is also under tremendous pressure to expand capacity and the money raised from the fee surcharge will be pumped back into the project. It would be challenging for the consortium to raise more funds from their investors if the project is not showing returns. Note that the time to breakeven is set for a mere 5 years when the concession may be for 30 years, renewable for another 30! This is what happens when an airport project is treated as a business rather than as infrastructure for the public. For Mopa the government should ensure that the time to break even is at least 10 years. User charges should kick in only after that to fund any expansion. It needs to find a consortium which is interested in Goa rather than just making money.
[Goanet] Rock on - Goanet 18th September
It was nostalgic to read Patricia Alvares's article on Goa weddings (September 18th). Weddings of yore were so charming. They were always held in bungalows or if the homes were not large enough to house the number of guests invited, a pandal was erected. Although I was a little girl at the time, I remember the old mest Deg Joao who was famous all over North Goa for his splendid food. There was always a large succulent fish dish dressed with mayonnaise and super salad, olive oil and olives (can never understand how he managed to do it so perfectly), besides several other mouthwatering Goan dishes. I can never forget the Canjo de Galinha (chicken soup). Champagne and the best moscatel always flowed in abundance. I dont think (or perhaps dont remember) whiskeys being served at the time. I wonder if Deg Joao had any offspring to carry on after he passed away. The band was always Johnson his Jolly boys and at the time, we all went into a trance listening to his rich baritone singing Portuguese fados and English songs, not forgetting the music for tangos and waltzes. Bernice Pereira Bring your gang together. Do your thing. Find your favourite Yahoo! group at http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/
[Goanet] Remmie Colaco - Birthday Pic and your personal cards
Remmie Colaco - Birthday Pic and your personal cards As promissed, all your 37 Birthday greetings/cards were personally handed over to Remmie Colaco today on his birthday 19th Sept. 2008 He and his family are very thank full to each one of you. They may write to you individually. We had a great time. Tears also rolled down when he spontaneously sang Ankvar Moriechem Dhuk Video coming soon.. In the mean time check this out.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk12/2869331625/sizes/l/ Also, check here your 37 personal cards, one message/pic per page it is MSword or go to file section of the GOAN-NRI group http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ and then click on Remie Colaco.doc Remie Colaco.doc Birthday Greetings to Remie Colaco Note: My apology for trying to lie to you earlier [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Remie Colaco - a Video
Remmie Colaco - a Video on his birthday - 19/09/08 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqX7jLab77s [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Why we hate!
Santosh Helekar wrote: In all the propaganda and counter-propaganda efforts being undertaken on behalf of various interests, it is hard to find a rational assessment of any instance of religious strife. Comment: I would be interested in knowing whether Santosh considers reports in the mainstream media like Times of India, NDTV, Hindustan Times, PTI and eyewitness accounts about the carnage in Orissa and now Mangalore constitutes propaganda. If he considers these reports as propaganda,will be please tell us what is not propaganda. If only he were to come down from his perch in the ivory tower and empathise with the victims, he would know where the truth lay. Regards, Marshall -- My life has changed. What about yours? Log on to the new Indiatimes Mail and Live out of the Inbox! http://mail.indiatimes.com
[Goanet] Stop hate crimes in Mangalore
I have just read and signed the online petition: Stop hate crimes in Mangalore hosted on the web by PetitionOnline.com, the free online petition service, at: http://www.PetitionOnline.com/UnitedM/ I personally agree with what this petition says, and I think you might agree, too. If you can spare a moment, please take a look, and consider signing yourself. Best wishes, Marshall -- My life has changed. What about yours? Log on to the new Indiatimes Mail and Live out of the Inbox! http://mail.indiatimes.com
[Goanet] ATTACKS ON CATHOLICS BY ANTI-SOCIAL ELEMENTS
Dear Goans, Be watchful, alert, cautious, smart, tactful, peaceful, loving and above all God fearing. Yesterday it was in Orissa, today in Mangalore tommorrow it may be Goa, so don't take anything and everything for granted ,police are not going to protect churches , it's our duty to protect it , our duty to stand up for these assaults on catholics, our duty to ensure that, churches idols are not desecrated, who knows tommorrow they may mock the holy eucharist by vandalising the blessed sacrament. There must be a big political game being played by some top guns sitting some where who now feel that it's time to confuse catholics and create a rift between hindus and catholics as elections are approaching. Which ever party is trying to play these dirty games and secure votes it totally wrong and Goans should not get confused , the whole idea is to create chaos in Goa in the name of religion as the world know Goans are peace loving people . It's my humble plea to every goan be it hindu, catholic, muslim or any other to protect the churches and live in peace and harmony. When i watched NDTV last night my heart sank and tears rolled when i saw the idol of Jesus christ damaged . let's be united in fighting these evils . Bonefacio
[Goanet] IAF pulls its rug under Bangalore
Bial's second runway proposal irks IAF: The air force objects to proposed location of the runway, saying proximity to its airbase may affect operations Tarun Shukla http://www.livemint.com/2008/09/18232153/Bial8217s-second-runway-pro.html?h= B New Delhi: Bangalore's new airport, already buffeted by a court case and controversy over closure of the city-side airport it replaced, has hit another roadblock ahead of a much-needed expansion. The Indian Air Force (IAF) has objected to the location of a proposed second runway saying it may be too close to its airbase nearby affecting operations. A civil aviation ministry official termed IAF's objections unacceptable and said it would be asked to re-examine its decision. Among India's top five airports by traffic, the new Bengaluru International Airport is facing public interest litigation in the Karnataka high court over alleged congestion during peak hours. The litigants, including a local citizens' group in Bangalore, argue that a capital-intensive asset such as the Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL)-run old airport, which has been closed for commercial traffic since late May, shouldn't be allowed to close, especially given the long commute time to the new airport. The new airport, run by Bangalore International Airport Ltd, or Bial, is some 30km north-east of Bangalore, and was predicated on the old airport not competing with it. Over the past few months, under growing criticism, the civil aviation ministry had asked Bial to speed up the process of second phase of expansion and match the overcapacity gaps it found in a study of the new airport. This meant that Bial would need to create a temporary express terminal building next to the existing terminal before a new runway and terminal can come up to the south of the current runway. Construction work for the new runway, Bial says, is expected to start in July and finish in about three-four years. Planning and design of the runway is under way. Locating the new runway to the south of the airport campus, spread over 4,000 acres, will mean restrictions on planes using the new runway because their flight path may stray into the airspace reserved for IAF's airbase at Yelahanka close by. **The base is mostly used for helicopter training.** ...we cannot come to the south as four miles (from the existing runway) is Yelahanka airspace. What we are telling is that a runway closer to Yelahanka will mean further restrictions, a senior air traffic control official at Airports Authority of India said, asking not to be identified. Bangalore airspace has to be carefully managed, the official said, after three large airspace corridors have emerged in the city, short distance of each other: that of the Bial airport, the old HAL airport and the Yelahanka airbase. In addition, the city hosts an airstrip on its northern suburbs that handles private planes and hobby aviation enthusiasts. **Aviation regulator Directorate General of Civil Aviation, or DGCA, had proposed that IAF shift its operations to the HAL airport, which is mostly unused except for charter, private and important [VIP?] aircraft movements.** But, IAF has rejected that request. We are not shifting Yelahanka, said vice chief of air staff air marshal P.V. Naik, adding IAF wanted the new runway, which will nearly double the capacity of the airport, to be built north of the existing one. **The airport operator said it had been granted all clearances including those for the second runway as part of the original airport master plan finalized in 2004 but is currently in talks to arrive at a solution after the reservations made by IAF.** The runways of the airbase at Yelahanka and those of our airport are absolutely parallel. Nevertheless, the air traffic management is coordinated. For this reason, **(IAF) had worked out an integrated airspace management plan which was the basis for its NOC (no-objection certificate) for our project, a Bial spokeswoman said.** Since its launch in May, the Bengaluru International Airport has had more than 2.42 million passengers pass through it and carriers such as Dragon Air, Tiger Airways, Oman Air and Air Mauritius have also started their operation recently. **The Union civil aviation ministry believes a new runway to the north of the airport is not feasible as it will require further acquisition of land.** Those (conditions) are not acceptable, a ministry official, who did not wish to be quoted, said, adding the ministry is asking IAF to relook at its stance. This is deja vu for us in Goa, right?
Re: [Goanet] Glimpses of Konknni
2008/9/18 Fausto Da Costa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not Prof. S. M. Borges but I who have (has) been adding the prefix 'Prof.' before his name in Gulab Goan Review. I also address him as 'Prosorbab' any objection? Isn't it my prerogative to give prominence whomsover I wish to in Gulab or the Goan Review? -- jc's response -- My dear Fausto, You are indeed well within your rights to accord whatever prominence to whoever in your publication. THAT, I submit to you, is NOT the question on the table. The question, I believe, is whether SM Borges has allowed you to do so or, in fact, advised you NOT to do so. Your post brings up one important point and misses another: BRINGS UP: The fact that you are calling him (personally) 'Prosorbab' or me calling myself 'Fatorbab', is not the issue here. Is SM Borges a Professor? If so ..where and in what? Isn't it proper that he is identified appropriately if at all? In the Gulab articles that I have read of SM Borges, I thought (based on your 'Prof' byeline) that SM Borges was also a Professor of Konkani. MISSES: SM Borges has been a strong and often times intolerant proponent of Devanagri Konkani. He is almost like those 'Devenagri only' chaps. I hope you have understood the negative financial implications for Goans of this Devanagri-only Konkani nonsense. I ask: IF the Romi script is 'unnatural and foreign' as SM Borges is quoted as saying (vide infra), WHY, may I ask you, Fausto, Are you giving prominence in an 'unnatural and foreign' script to the very man who denigrates the script? As a reader/supporter (thus far) of Gulab, I strongly advise you (you may reject this advice) to shun those who have caused damage to our Konkani - the way we spoke it, speak it and will (hopefully) continue to speak it .. and more importantly write it. We Goans could certainly do without the 'brainwashing' some folks are trying to do on us. Could you or SM Borges, please advise HOW Devanagri became the natural and native script for our Goan Konkani? Are Aryans native to Goa? If not, how is their script 'native natural' as opposed to foreign and unnatural'? Isn't language a living thing (forget about Gaelic, Pali and Sanskrit)? Isn't it natural for a language (like cuisine, fashion and music) to be influenced by the surrounding influences? IF you agree, would you advise What happened to the Portuguese influence on Konkani? What happened - was 451 years just a passing phase of a few days? Are you surprised that more Goans now are migrating to English esp at weddings and social occasions? Is English the natural language for Goans? In closing, I'd say this: I personally believe that Gulab, 'by giving prominence' to the likes of Romi-Konkani antagonists e.g. SM Borges, is doing irreversible harm to Konkani. It is of course your personal prerogative to give prominence to whoever you choose in your personal publication. That Gulab is your personal publication is good to know. I will do my part to remind others of that fact so as to ensure that you remain one of its main readers. good wishes jc ps: If you choose to abuse me like you have abused Miguel, I will accept it with grace and you will have the last word on this. I hope not to respond to you unless you counterpoint is made politely. -- Miguel Braganza wrote earlier: 3. The Goan Review .. S.M.Borges writes regularly for this periodical. He has written his name as Prof. S.M.Borges in his articles. Let me give reference to a few only If he (Prof. Borges is) so convinced that Devnagari is the natural script of Konkani then let him write Konkani only in his 'natural' script and stop immediately to write Konkani in Roman script (foreign, unnatural, according to him).
[Goanet] What do the Brits of Goa think of us?
The truth may surprise you. While the Brits appear to be very polite and are experts in hiding their views, they let it all come out when they congregate in places such as the Goan forum for ex-pat brits at http://britishexpats.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=94 Reading some of the posts is an eye opener. Most of the Britis are in Goa, not because they like the locals but because it is a cheap place in the sun to buy into and exploit cheap local labour. They indulge in activities that are illegal in any civilised country and that our community consider immoral. Due to the vagaries of the international monetary system, the low-income groups and even the drug addicts of UK are able to enjoy, in Goa, a life style they can not dream of back home. This new found station in life, undeserved at it is, seem to have gone to their head. Instead of being grateful, their snobbish traits have get the better of them. When we are friendly and hospitable to them, many of them think that it is because they are superior. They look down on and despise us at every chance they get.
[Goanet] BABUSH SHOULD APOLOGISE AND NOW APPEAR FOR SSC : UTT GOENKARA
Aires Rodrigues wrote: Utt Goenkara will on Tuesday 16th September meet Goa's Chief Electoral Officer Mr.Ajit Srivastava to demand expeditious action on the complaint filed on 13th September against Education Minister Mr. Babush Monseratte before the Returning Officer of Taleigao Constituency Mr. Sabaji Shetye. Comment: I read in the newspapers that Shyam Parulekar the MLA from Saligao too has filed a false affidavit stating that he passed his B.Com when he has not done do as per the RTI reply. We expect Aires to take up this matter too with the Election Commission. Let us clean up the Assembly. Regards, Marshall -- My life has changed. What about yours? Log on to the new Indiatimes Mail and Live out of the Inbox! http://mail.indiatimes.com
[Goanet] Why we hate!
On Tue, 9/16/08, Carvalho wrote: I'm sorry your post is ill-timed. This is not what I would have expected from you. Santosh replied: Sorry Selma, I disagree. This is a time, more so than any other, for level-headed rational thinking. Mindless frenzy and blame-game based on partisan propaganda is what breeds communal tension and sectarian hatred. Comment: Please put on your thinking cap and keep on thinking. It sounds very intellectual and profound. In the meanwhile the carnage has spread from Orissa to Mangalore with incidents at Jabalpur, Jhabua and Delhi. Places of worship are being desecrated and destroyed.Orphanages,schools, homes and other institutions are being razed to the ground. People are being killed, raped, beaten and burnt. But, of course, this is all 'partisan propaganda'. No matter that they are documented by independent media like Times of India, Hindustan Times, NDTV, PTI and corroborated by the National Minorities Commission and National Commission for Women.But then so long as the problem does not touch my doorstep we can sit comfortably and think.I am reminded of a poem written by the Rev Martin Niemoller during the World War II which is as relevant today- First they came for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak up, because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me. by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945 We all need to remember that if we are complacent today, it may be our turn tomorrow. Regards, Marshall -- Will the all new Indica Vista zip ahead of the Suzuki Swift? Read the expert review on Zigwheels.com http://zigwheels.com/b2cam/reviewsDetails.action?name=Ro11_20080829path=/INDT/Reviews/Ro11_20080829page=1pagecount=9
[Goanet] 150-year-old cathedral set afire in Madhya Pradesh
Friday, September 19, 2008 150-year-old cathedral set afire in Madhya Pradesh Bhopal: A 150-year-old church in Madhya Pradesh's Jabalpur town was set on fire by two unidentified men, police said on Friday. The altar and statues inside the 150-year-old St. Peter and St. Paul Cathedral in the cantonment area of Jabalpur, about 300 km from here, were burnt in the fire Thursday night. The church was closed at the time. Parish priests told police that the two entered by breaking the glass panes of the door and set fire to the cathedral altar. The altar, statues of St. Peter and St. Paul, and the carpet were damaged. However, fire fighters were alerted and the blaze was soon doused. “The sisters staying in the building adjoining the boundary wall of the cathedral spotted the duo fleeing the spot on a motorcycle but could not see their faces since it was dark,” a police official said. “A complaint has been lodged against unidentified people in the cantonment police station and investigation is underway,” Jabalpur District Collector Hari Ranjan Rao told IANS on phone. This is the third case of assault on Christian missionaries in the state in the past few weeks. On Monday, a watchman of Carmel Convent School in Ujjain was beaten up. Before that, on Aug 31, an 86-year-old church in Ratlam was set on fire. Indo-Asian News Service Comment: Mario Goveia may have visited this Cathedral as he lived in Jabalpur for sometime. -- Will the all new Indica Vista zip ahead of the Suzuki Swift? Read the expert review on Zigwheels.com http://zigwheels.com/b2cam/reviewsDetails.action?name=Ro11_20080829path=/INDT/Reviews/Ro11_20080829page=1pagecount=9
Re: [Goanet] Inappropriate question marks appearing in Goanet posts
Mogal Mario, What part of my post assigns any CASTE to me? Is Kunbi a caste? Isn't Harijan = out caste? If one is a Christian, isn't one naturally ...Out Caste? Ah Rusty!!! About the self evaluation of self, I agree with you and myself. I am No One Are you saying you are Some One? Please say so. jc aka sub-Kunbi Harijan zuze -- jc wrote: because jose is a sub-Kunbi Harijan i.e. a No One' 2008/9/18 Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] responded: I don't know about the first part of this self-evaluation as I don't acknowledge CASTE as applying to any Christian, under the unconfirmed assumption that you are one, but I will accept your self-opinion in the second part:-)). However, gratuitously inserting oneself into discussions that only display one's ignorance of the subject matter is hardly a way to become someone. Mario wrote:
Re: [Goanet] What To Do In Falling Markets - Off Topic
Rishi, please have the courtesy to direct your question to a specific person, preferably by name. While you are at it, please tell us who you are and where you are posting from. Rishikesh is rather anonymous and I think contrary to Goanet rules. Roland On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Rishi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kindly let readers know your qualifications and credentials - if you are professionally qualified.
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 1196( Unwanted Question Marks)
I HAVE THE SAME ANNOYING THING HAPPEN TO MY POSTS. Someone in ADM please rectify/take action.ThanksJEG --- On Thu, 18/9/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/
[Goanet] About S. S. Ramdas
This is concerning the ship S. S. Ramdas which capsized in the Arabian Sea around 60 years ago. There was some discussion on the tragedy in goanet two years ago (Aug. 2 and 3, 2006). I was a School boy in Mumbai at the time (12 years old) and I clearly remember the tragedy. It happened in 1947 and a lot of the passengers perished but there were also survivors. The Captain of the ship himself survuved - there were uncharitable comments about him to the effect that there was a time when the Captain of a ship insisted on not leaving his sinking ship until all others had safely left and so many captains went down with their ships but here is a Captain who saved himself and let several others perish. The Newspapers of Mumbai were full of the news of the disaster for many weeks. A public enquiry was also held into the disaster. I recall that the watch of a survivor was taken as evidence. The watch had stopped at 8:20 indicating that that was the time the ship went down. To determine the exact date of the tragedy and other details, one has only to go through the daily papers of that time. I would definitely have done that if I was in Mumbai. Would some one do that please? ...Arun. Vandana Arun Vaidya, Ahmedabad 91-79-2662 1507 +919824633794.
[Goanet] English Course for Primary Teachers at TSKK, Porvorim
Sir, Kindly give publicity to the following press release. Thanking you, Yours truly, Pratap Naik, S.J. Director Thomas Stephens Konknni Kendr Alto Porvorim, Goa - 403 521 English Course for Primary Teachers Thomas Stephens Konknni Kendr (TSKK), Alto Porvorim will conduct an English course for primary teachers from Std. I to IV from 3 to 5 November 2008 at TSKK premises. Mrs Marion Valladares Smith will be the resource person. She is the trainer and trilingual language instructor, specializes in applying these techniques to adapt subject curriculum and text in ways, which are both enjoyable for the teacher and students. Ms Smith trained and taught in Bombay, Spain and Paris, then earned a Masters in the Teaching of Languages in the US, and now has more than thirty years of TESOL and TEFL experience in all of those countries. The course will focus on how to teach spoken and written English, composition, and evaluation. Admission to the course will be on first come first served basis. For further details contact TSKK during office hours. Phone: 2415857/2415864. Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/
Re: [Goanet] What To Do In Falling Markets - Off Topic
Rishikesh wrote: Kindly let readers know your qualifications and credentials - if you are professionally qualified. Really sorry about, I should have posted a disclaimer. I am not having any professional credentials re stock markets but I am a investor for about 3 years now. Rishikesh, There is nothing to be sorry about. Those with 'professional credentials' trading in the stock market do not have any more insight to the vulgarities of the market than those who have not sat for the exams. That is why we now have thousands recently unemployed brokers. I few days ago they thought they has secure jobs at the major US brokerage houses. This morning, The United Socialist States of America, formerly known as the USA, came up with new regulations that bans the selling of stocks of 800 financial companies! Last week, the USSA nationalized insurance companies. The concept of lowering taxes, printing more money and borrowing to spend abroad, has a price. Those with money in the markets are now paying that price. The only govt that has printed more money than the current USSA adm has been the Weimar Republic. BTW, you are right about gold. The liquidity the USSA has been forced to inject into its markets will have only one long term result. INFLATION. Mervyn3.0 On an Question Everything Moment a local paper today pointed out that when Manchester United plays Newcastle in the English Premier League, the match will essentially be USSA tax payers verses UK taxpayers. Manchester United is sponsored by the USSA govt owned AIG and Newcastle is sponsored by Northern Rock now owned by the UK Govt. Can you think or a more excellent way to waste taxpayers money? __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/
Re: [Goanet] Why we hate!
--- On Fri, 9/19/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We all need to remember that if we are complacent today, it may be our turn tomorrow. It is important to remember that partisan frenzy and propaganda, whether it is published in Times of India or Goanet, can add more fuel to the fire of communal discord. Being measured and thoughtful about what one says in public in explosive situations is a mark of prudence and civility, not complacency. Most Indians do not subscribe to the agenda of terrorist groups, extremist political parties and radical religious organizations. There is a greater need to remember this fact at this time. This is a time for reason to prevail, not emotion driven by religious and partisan loyalties. There are many reasonable and thoughtful perspectives on the current communal riots. I append below one such alternative viewpoint, sent to me by a friend who is based in Karnataka, and whose family is as much Christian as it is Hindu. The fact that such thoughts do not involve hyperbole and hyperventilation does not mean that the people who have them are any less concerned about communal violence. Indeed, I submit that it is these level-headed folks who would ultimately be responsible for peace non-violence to prevail. The militant activists and political operatives we see on Goanet will keep on fighting and blaming each other. Cheers, Santosh APPENDIX - Another Perspective on Hindu-Christian riots http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/Sep192008/panorama2008091890745.asp Every Christian in India is a 'Hindu' By Ingrid Albuquerque Spiritual people need to believe in Christ and accept Him for what He has done for them and not on what Christians do or do not do... All this unnecessary furore over burning churches, buildings and bridges! It really is a battle of semantics because when you get down to it, neither Hinduism nor Christianity are religions — both are lifestyles. The word Hindu comes from Sindu, which is the name for the River Indus. All those living east of the River Sindu were called Hindus. So the word Hindu is a geographical term, not a religious one. The actual religion of the Hindus is the Sanathana Dharma, which means ‘the ancient way of life’ — a combination of faith, duties and one’s vocation. Hindus are required to find their purpose in life and pursue it forever. So in the strict sense of the term, as long as one lives in India and follows any religion of one’s choice, one is still a Hindu. People genuinely search for god, and when they cannot find god, they seek after gurus who will lead them to god. The word guru refers to a person who brings people from darkness to light. When a person talks about “knowing Christ” (not knowing about Christ), it is a deep and personal relationship with Jesus Christ, accepting Him as Saviour and living life according to His principles, which centre around love and forgiveness. The process has little in common with evident Christianity with its buildings, rites and rituals. To burn a church is a tragic act, however, it does not injure Christ. Further, it is possible to be a Christian and not know Christ; it is equally possible to be a Hindu and know Christ. Ultimately, who is the true follower of Christ — the Hindu or the Christian? There are thousands of Indians who know Christ but do no want to be known as Christians because of the ‘excess baggage’ that accompanies the term, the pain of the past and the indignities that were imposed on human beings in India by people who called themselves Christian. In fact, Mahatma Gandhi, when once asked to convert to Christianity, said, “To me, to be a good Hindu also means that I am a good Christian. There is no need for me to join your creed to be a believer in the beauty and teachings of Christ.” And yet, while it is apparent that most Christians have failed to deliver the gospel message as god intended them to, Christ does not depend on Christians to manifest His divine glory and power. Spiritual people need to believe in Christ and accept Him for what He has done for them and not on what Christians do or do not do. The genuine follower of Christ in today’s turbulent times in India will not meet the hostility through aggression or through a martyr complex, but will try to undo the damage of the past by living and manifesting the message of the gospel, which when translated into everyday life, is the message of love. Meanwhile, every Hindu can also realise that responding to the gospel is not a contradiction to the Hindu search for truth because Jesus is the fulfilment of god, of seekers of the Truth right from ancient Vedic times: Asatoma sat gamaya (Bring me from the unreal to the truth). Jesus says, “I am the way and the truth and the life”; Tamasoma jyotir gamaya (Bring me from darkness to light). Jesus says, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the
Re: [Goanet] Rock on - Goanet 18th September
Oh yes, wee Bernice, whyskey (BW, Queen Anne, WH used to be the most served) flowed quite freely, so did the other two popular ones: Macieira Constatino; but not served around the assemblage, at the adega, set up in one of the smallar rooms or the verandah. The trays circulating the throng used to be apperitif (vermouth) claret (tinto), the burgundy type red (v da missa), white (granjó) and sweet like moscatel. Toast time it was champagne. Although it was just the one round, adequate number of proper champagne glasses (taças) were rented in. Only the huge mansions had the required number inhouse. When chaps like noble, long departed Raúl, filinto, I were guests at same function we used to be the champion clients at the respective adega. Know where I have been yesterday? To the Whisky, Calvados Beer festival of Sweden, the largest of its kind held annually in Stockholm: Must have inbibed over a full liter but not a drop below Blue Label other rarest of scotches Alfred, the proto-tippler, inducted aged ca 7 yrs... Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:26:24 +0530 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] Rock on - Goanet 18th September It was nostalgic to read Patricia Alvares's article on Goa weddings (September 18th). Weddings of yore were so charming. They were always held in bungalows or if the homes were not large enough to house the number of guests invited, a pandal was erected. Although I was a little girl at the time, I remember the old mest Deg Joao who was famous all over North Goa for his splendid food. There was always a large succulent fish dish dressed with mayonnaise and super salad, olive oil and olives (can never understand how he managed to do it so perfectly), besides several other mouthwatering Goan dishes. I can never forget the Canjo de Galinha (chicken soup). Champagne and the best moscatel always flowed in abundance. I dont think (or perhaps dont remember) whiskeys being served at the time. I wonder if Deg Joao had any offspring to carry on after he passed away. The band was always Johnson his Jolly boys and at the time, we all went into a trance listening to his rich baritone singing Portuguese fados and English songs, not forgetting the music for tangos and waltzes.Bernice Pereira Bring your gang together. Do your thing. Find your favourite Yahoo! group at http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/ _ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vistamkt=en-USform=QBRE
Re: [Goanet] Why we hate!
--- On Fri, 9/19/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If only he were to come down from his perch in the ivory tower and empathise with the victims, he would know where the truth lay. Why is this guy now going after me instead of focusing on those who are responsible for the violence? What gives him the grounds and the right to pass the judgment that I do not empathize with the victims? Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet] Nuns and Women Expose Mangalore Police's Brutality
*This is the Plight of our Church in India. What is the Government doing to support and protect the basic rights of each ones religionLet the world know how our Government operatesIs this what we call Democracy OR hypocracy? The attacks on the Churches have been ongoing and there is NO STOP to it. Why cannot the Government of the day protect its people ? How long does the Government need to wait to see the problem escalate and turn out of control? Renoir-Cayman Islands *
[Goanet] Attack on Christians
Albert writes:- This is what I cannot understand. The missionaries and christians are there all over India. Many Hindus join Christianity sometimes because a Hindu is in love with a Christian girl or Christian boy and to be satisfy her or him they change their religion. It is seen all over India. Missionaries are doing their good work all over India. But how come the attacks were planned only in certain states ? All these states are ruled by BJP. I cannot understand. When BJP were at the centre there was no such attack anywhere. Even the Ayodia problem did not surface at that time. Why ? Can someone help me to solve this mystery ? _ Searching for weekend getaways? Try Live.com http://www.live.com/?scope=videoform=MICOAL
[Goanet] Mangalore Attack - Chief Minister Agrees for Judicial Probe into Church Attacks
Mangalore: Chief Minister Agrees for Judicial Probe into Church Attacks Daijiworld Media Network - Mangalore (MM/SP) Mangalore, Sep 19: Chief minister B S Yadyurappa has agreed to order judicial probe into the vandalization of the churches and police caning incidents that occurred recently in the state. Addressing a public function organized at Ankola in Uttara Kannada district on Friday September 19, he said that he had already agreed to conduct CoD probe into the church related incidents. But the Christian leaders who met him on Thursday September 18 said that they have no faith in the CoD probe. Therefore, the state government has decided to conduct a judicial probe. A retired High Court judge will be appointed for this purpose, he added. Meanwhile, the state government has assured the National Commission for Minorities, of arresting state Bajrangdal convener Mahendra Kumar. The members of the minority commission met DGP Srikumar, after visiting various places of worship in and around the city, which came under attack of the Sangh Parivar activists recently.
[Goanet] More Pics ANKVAR MORIECHEM DUKH sung by Remie Colaco
Mr. Remmie Colaco http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk12/2869331625/sizes/l/ Mr Mrs Remie Colaco http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk12/2870686804/sizes/l/ With daughter Blanche http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk12/2870686484/sizes/l/ With CD Silva (72) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk12/2870687036/ group photo 6 in 1 http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk12/2870686226/sizes/l/ And here is the song he sang 'ANKVAR MORIECHEM DUKH http://www.youtube.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Condolence Message
CONDOLENCE MESSAGE We are deeply saddened by the sudden demise of our dear friend, late Domnic Fernandes, ex employee of Kuwait Airways, Kuwait, who passed away today, in Mumbai. Domnic, was a Life Member of the Goan Welfare Society, and served in the Managing Committee for over 10 years, until 2004. Through his commitment and dedication, he has served the society with distinction and has contributed a lot towards the progress and well being of the society. His contributions will always be remembered by the members of the Goan Welfare Society – Kuwait. The Managing Committee and the members of the Goan Welfare Society, deeply mourn the sad demise of Domnic and convey heartfelt sympathies to the bereaved family; wife Helen, sons and grand children of the deceased, and pray God grants eternal rest to the soul of the departed, in his heavenly abode. May his soul rest in peace. Managing Committee Goan Welfare Society – Kuwait. 19.09.2008 _ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vistamkt=en-USform=QBRE
[Goanet] Goa news for September 20, 2008
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** GOA and Mythic Entertainment LAUNCH Warhammer ONline: Age of Reckoning - WebWire (press release) [Sep 18, 2008] This is a landmark day for the entire company, said Ghislaine Le Rhun, Managing Director of GOA. The launch of Warhammer® Online has been a gigantic ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/9-0fd=Rurl=http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?aId=75109cid=1247452984ei=-zXUSO2AGoriggPrweHHBgusg=AFQjCNEK0JYTKiD0jq8c-lrJ-s0BqSJ6lQ *** Goa faces bleak future on tourism front - Economic Times [Sep 17, 2008] PANAJI-MUMBAI: When charter tourism was first mooted in Goa in the late 80s, the picturesque beach state was billed as Indias tourism capital. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/7-0fd=Rurl=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News_By_Industry/Services/Goa_faces_bleak_future_on_tourism_front/articleshow/3495987.cmscid=1247410557ei=-zXUSO2AGoriggPrweHHBgusg=AFQjCNGsyGxtGj5fAoB2QEQ8xnhi4IXOtA *** First charter flight to Goa cancelled - Herald Publications [19 hours ago] PANJIM, SEPT 18 Goas first chartered flight this season, Minar, from Moscow, which was to land at Dabolim airport on September 27 to mark the start of ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/8-0fd=Rurl=http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=10018cid=2cid=1247940618ei=-zXUSO2AGoriggPrweHHBgusg=AFQjCNH2s2y98GzXcsBQ4dDob_l-AxaDag *** Goa not Reddy-made for mega housing projects - Herald Publications [19 hours ago] MARGAO, SEPT 18 Union Minister for Urban Development Jaipal Reddy has categorically said the Goa government should take into account various factors, ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/6-0fd=Rurl=http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=10012cid=2cid=1248065955ei=-zXUSO2AGoriggPrweHHBgusg=AFQjCNExnmvmKT4Y3eSCAH3nahailiE58A *** Goa\'s tourism industry anxious after first flight cancellation - Hindu Business Line [Sep 18, 2008] PANAJI: With the cancellation of the season's first chartered flight bringing in foreign tourists, Goa's tourism industry is apprehensive of a drop in ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/4-0fd=Rurl=http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/blnus/27181721.htmcid=1247619291ei=-zXUSO2AGoriggPrweHHBgusg=AFQjCNFIVed3xsUH9l05tVUHgw1QvYI5mQ *** Aldona United Beat St. Anthony Guirim in All-Goa Inter-Village ... - Khaleej Times [3 hours ago] dubai #148; Shanu Halankers two second-half goals helped Aldona United beat St. Anthony Guirim 3-0 and a spot in the quarterfinals of the 5th All-Goa ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/3-0fd=Rurl=http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?xfile=data/sports/2008/September/sports_September524.xmlsection=sportscol=cid=1248246204ei=-zXUSO2AGoriggPrweHHBgusg=AFQjCNHFlkfxgI3BbbsrUtO-p__oNRSmKQ *** Hindujas looks at tipper truck body plant in Goa - Thaindian.com [9 hours ago] Chennai, Sep 19 (IANS) The Hinduja group is considering setting up a tipper truck body plant in Goa, the company said Friday.A company statement said the ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/5-0fd=Rurl=http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/business/hindujas-looks-at-tipper-truck-body-plant-in-goa_10097623.htmlcid=1248145059ei=-zXUSO2AGoriggPrweHHBgusg=AFQjCNHcKv04ZZTtHNsBAdvDZMXBVBLu5g *** Sesa Goa: Melting - Business Standard [Sep 18, 2008] Iron ore producer Sesa Goas stock price has come off by about 47 per cent since early June 2008. Thats probably because spot prices of iron ore have been ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/2-0fd=Rurl=http://www.business-standard.com/india/storypage.php?autono=334809cid=1247499083ei=-zXUSO2AGoriggPrweHHBgusg=AFQjCNFPJF3hUmtWt32Nkf8OSuqGZ_3RIA *** Goa\'s IFFI hopes soar with official\'s transfer - Times of India [22 hours ago] PANAJI: The path for Goa to organise the International Film Festival of India (IFFI) on its own got easier with the transfer of director of film festivals ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/1-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Goas_IFFI_hopes_soar_with_officials_transfer/articleshow/3501110.cmscid=0ei=-zXUSO2AGoriggPrweHHBgusg=AFQjCNG-k1kuq5zDy-08wLPya7ZDqX9XJw *** Student pulled up for post on blog, quits Goa University - Times of India [22 hours ago] PANAJI: Jay Joshi, a student of the political science department at the Goa University, said that the humiliation caused after being pulled up for ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/0-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Student_pulled_up_for_post_on_blog_quits_Goa_University/articleshow/3501108.cmscid=1248196996ei=-zXUSO2AGoriggPrweHHBgusg=AFQjCNFVu0xUW_wiXO3-mP7W09Lu_xPAZQ Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] Violence against Christians in Orissa
Cornel Da Costa wrote: I am not sure how we can help to overcome this tragicsituation but if there is a reliable collection tohelp the victims of the atrocity, I and I am sureother Goanetters in the UK would be more than happy tomake a financial contribution (by cheque or whatever)as the very least we could do with immediate effect. Therefore, if possible, please advise on this matter. Response: Contribution in cash or kind can be sent to:- Caritas-Goa A/c No. 18046 ( with a note that the amount is meant fir the victims of Orissa violence) The donations may be sent to Caritas Goa Institute Piedade, Near hotel Mandovi, Panjim Regards, Marshall -- My life has changed. What about yours? Log on to the new Indiatimes Mail and Live out of the Inbox! http://mail.indiatimes.com
Re: [Goanet] Inappropriate question marks appearing in Goanet posts
Uncle Alfred wrote: brother Mario .The poor chap is horribly dogged by the Gadgil-syndrome: Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:11:35 -0400 From: J. Colaco jc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chacha Alfredji, I did not realise that Mario G also was a mark-Six. Accha Ok, Now only I am undershtanding. That is why only Mario G placing question marks. your phavourite bhatija Mario observes: Where ignorance is this bliss, the best thing to do is get out of the way:-))
[Goanet] Remie Colaco Birthday
Happy birthday to one of our great konkani singer and actor Remie Colaco and may god continue to bless him with good healrh. I always enjoyed his exemplary songs and particularly the cut- throat duets he sang with my friend M. Boyer in the mid siyties. Mariano Pereira Frankfurt, Germany -- GMX Kostenlose Spiele: Einfach online spielen und Spaß haben mit Pastry Passion! http://games.entertainment.gmx.net/de/entertainment/games/free/puzzle/6169196
Re: [Goanet] Denigration of Hindu Gods
From: Laluram Salvi [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Following are the list of abuses from one such book – Satya Darshini – distributed by the missionaries of New Life. This book is in Kannada and the translation of the abusive passage is as follows. Urvashi – the daughter of Lord Vishnu – is a prostitute. Vashitha is the son of this prostitute. He in turn married his own Mother. Such a degraded person is the Guru of the Hindu God Rama. (page 48) When Krishna himself is wallowing in darkness of hell, how can he enlighten others? Since Krishna himself is a shady character, there is a need for us to liberate his misled followers. (page 50) It was Brahma himself who kidnapped Sita. Since Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva were themselves the victims of lust, it is a sin to consider them as Gods.. (page 39) ***Dear Laluram Salvi, I do not know what is your level of knowledge of Hinduism. Yet, it is hurting for your religious feelings what was written by New Life members. I do respect your feelings. The reaction to it cannot be violence against all the Christians, the churches and the houses of prayer throughout three districts of Mangalore, Udupi and Chikmangalur. Action against unauthorized prayer halls cannot be left to militant groups. You can always protest to the members in a peaceful way. There are laws against conversions by force. You have to prove them. Catholic school in Bicholim has been open to all. Never was any conversion by force. Religion cannot lead you to such dastardly acts of vandalism and hooliganism... ...in the premises of Milagres Church in Mangalore, where some miscreants had damaged a Jesus idol. ***Jesus is not an idol for the Christians. It is good that you call them miscreants, as they have proved to be. The VHP and the Bajrang Dal have condemned the attack at this place. ***Everyone with good sense should condemn it. But who has done it? Who owns the responsibility for such a profanation and destruction of the Indian soil and values? Following this incident, a Christian mob gathered and the situation went out of control as the mob started pelting stones and disrupting traffic. The police was forced to intervene and this resulted in unsavoury violence. ***Are you sure of the facts? Which is the source of your information? Even in the Kandhamal murder — which involved the killing of Hindu monk Swami Lakshmananda by missionaries – seems to have caste a shadow on this incident since the general public seems to have seen through Christian aggression. ***Have the missionaries killed the Swamiji? Do you have evidence? Does this false accusation authorize the vandalism which took place in Orissa in the name of Hindu religion? Let peace prevail in our country! Regards. Fr.Ivo
[Goanet] Orissa Voilence
From: Laluram Salvi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lot of articles have been written on Goanet on violence in Orissa which reflects only one side of it. Most of the post were influenced by biased opinions of anti Hindu journalist and media. ***Dear Laluram Salvi, I do not know who you are. You know who I am. I do not defend anyone who has done wrong. You speak about one side of it (violence in Orissa). Which is the other side? Do you know well the facts? You have the right to expose them. The Christian fanatics led by the local Congress MP and other hooligans suspected to be from the local chapter of the World Vision of India were responsible for killing the swami and four other people including a woman and two minors. ***Are you sure of the facts? You are involving Christian fanatics (all Christians?), local Congress MP and other hooligans suspected to be from the local chapter of the World Vision of India in the killing of the Swamiji. Who has killed him? Christians, Congress politician and hooligans? Could not Police identify the murderers? This in turn led to retaliation by Swami's followers which led to a violent backlash against churches and Christian missionaries in Orissa. ***Do you agree with it? Retaliation against churches and Christian missionaries in Orissa? Some of them will not even know him. Can you be their spokesman? ...and was a well planned attempt by these missionaries. The WVI is a fundamentalist organization committed to harvesting hatred against hindus in India. ***Again, do you know the facts? Can you club all together? But you will not see any of it in the news. For starters, this ghastly incident was first blamed on Maoists or Naxalites. ***Who has blamed the Maoists? This was a disingenuous attempt to divert the attention away from Christian fanatics who did this. ***Again, are you sure that Christian fanatics did this? If you prove that some Christians did it ---nothing of this has been proved--can you persecute the Christian communities, destroy the churches, orphanages, hospitals, institutions, rape nuns, kill priests, burn social workers, attack schools, kill and bury Christians, who happen to be tribals, poorest of the poor, neglected, ostracised, enslaved by the high-class Hindu communities? ...every newspaper article including the Times of India, Business Standard, NYT, Reuters to name a few - had this in the story - lower caste Hindus tried to convert to Christianity, the evil swami was preventing them, the peaceful Christians suffered and then mysteriously the Maoists killed the swami. ***Again, you are not proving anything. Why is not the Government conducting a probe? Tribals are not Hindus, they are animists and regarded as outcaste by Hindus. Some of them became Buddhists, others Christian, and some Hindus. Yet, they cannot enter the Hindu temples and inter-dine with the higher caste Hindus. Is this not true? What a bunch of lies!!! The Fact is that the swami has been there for the last 42 years doing social service including orphanages for girls and poor Hindus. If he was a Christian, he would have been declared a Father Teresa and awarded the Bharat Ratna. His only drawback is that he is a Hindu. ***Do you know his activity? Whether for 42 years or 24 years, he has done some good. Was he inciting people against the Christians? Was he forcing the tribals for re-conversion to Hindu religion? Being a Christian, Mother Teresa of Calcutta has not converted people by force, she has catered to all without any discrimination, people with maggots, unwanted by all, even by family members, she has not incited anyone to violence. Her secret is that she worked with faith in God for her little brethren, the poorest of the poor. She worked throughout the world through her Congregation of Sisters of Charity. She received all kinds of international awards for the selfless work that she did. Christian missionaries have been working for the poor people in Orissa before 1885. Why could not the Swamiji and his admirers work for the Dalits with the same selfless love? Are these lies? ... the Christian missionaries there are hardly peaceful. They tried to kill the swami some 9 times before and succeeded in the tenth. In this attempt they used automatics and lobbed grenades including killing a small child and a lady. ***Where is the truth? Has anyone investigated it? If the Christian missionaries and people had automatics and lobbed grenades, how could they not defend themselves against the hooligans who destroyed their houses and injured and killed some of them? Precisely because they are peaceful people. Are you sure that these are not a bunch of lies? Hindu can be beaten, bullied, shouted at, abused and the truth will never come out. This is the sad saga of Hindu history over millennia. ***For this you may have to re-write history... Hopefully this act will atleast start some people to question the bonafides of peaceful christianity...In
[Goanet] Please write to Goa's Newpapers against Mega-Projects
Dear Goans, I have been asked to convey a message, by specific prominent anti-mega project activists in Goa, to as many Non Resident Goans as possible i.e. Please write to the Editors of Goa's Newspapers opposing the Destructive Mega Projects, in Goa Contrary to the views held by some Non Resident Goans; the activists in Goa need a lot of support from us and believe that Letters by Non Resident Goans significantly help, the genuine cause. So please can I request each of you (in whichever part of the world that you are in) to email your protest letters to the addresses mentioned below; let me know if you have any queries or need any assistance: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dev Borem Korum, Arwin Mesquita (UAE) -- Please post your comments on my Blog: http://goanidentity.blogspot.com/
[Goanet] violence against Christians in Mangalore
Hi, Thats right. His handlers tell people like him to kill, they go and kill. That's people of India today, in the same breath they say they are a developed nation with neuclear bombs ED. --- Marshall said: Laluram Salvi has forwarded article by Deepak Kamat specifying the reasons for violence and vandalisation of churches. However he needs to answer the following questions: I have asked him in the past to produce evidence / proof that it was the work of christian missionaries. But till date he has not been able to do so. He will continue saying what his masters / handlers tell him as he is not able to think gor himself. I do not think it is worth responding any more to his emails. --
[Goanet] What do the Brits of Goa think of us?
Hi, What are you babbling about? Are most of the Brits in Goa? At the same time you are asking a question which makes no sense. Then again you are answering your own question in your last line. TUM QUITEM BEKAR ASSAI? ED. --- Most of the Britis?are in Goa, not because they like the locals but because it is a cheap place in the sun to buy into and exploit cheap local labour. They indulge in activities that are illegal in any civilised country and that?our community consider immoral. ? Due to the vagaries of the international monetary system, the low-income groups and even the drug addicts of UK are able to enjoy, in Goa, a life style they can not dream of back home. This new found station in life, undeserved at it is, seem to have gone to their head. Instead of being grateful, their snobbish traits have get the better of them. When we are friendly and hospitable to them,?many of them?think that it is because they are superior. ?They look down on and despise?us at every chance they get.
[Goanet] St. Thomas Syro-Malabar Catholic diocese of Chicago, USA has issued the below press statement
St. Thomas Syro-Malabar Catholic diocese of Chicago, USA has issued the below press statement 19-Sep-2008 As you all well aware, the persecution of our Christian brethren an dthe destruction of churches, convents, orphanages and othe Christian institutions are continuing unabated in Orissa, karnataka an din some parts of Kerala. We connot remain silent spectators of such gruesome crulties inflicted on innocent people. We have to make our people and the local congregations aware of the indescribable cruelty of this hatred and violence against christians. It was the desire of many people who have contacted me to act together to bring to the attention of Christian faithful here the airocity of this cruel rampage. Hence, may I request you to join me along with all the peace loving congregations to show our solidarity and support to our brothers and sisters in India. i am calling for a peace Rally and Prayer vigil on Sunday, Sep 28 at 1.30pm at Syro-Malabar Cathedral grounds at syro-malabar Cathedral Grounds, 5 St. Charles Road, aBellywood, iliois. Please kind enough to make this announcement during sunday service an dencourage the congregation to join the Peace Rally on Sep-28
Re: [Goanet] Why we hate!
Dear Santosh, As the famous line in, Alice in Wonderland goes, this get curiouser and curiouser. I found Ingrid's article to be a bit of a wagging finger, at Christians. Let me quote the lines which I find particularly objectionable. I've taken these from the original article. INGRID WRITES: All this unnecessary furore over burning churches, buildings and bridges MY RESPONSE: I think a furore is necessary when one sees the pictures of charred children left after a VHP rampage. INGRID WRITES: It really is a battle of semantics because when you get down to it, neither Hinduism nor Christianity are religions — both are lifestyles. MY RESPONSE: Lifestyle? If I choose to eat oysters everyday, that maybe a lifestyle choice but a religion is a belief system and belief systems are inherent in defining a society's collective acts. INGRID WRITES: When a person talks about “knowing Christ” (not knowing about Christ), it is a deep and personal relationship with Jesus Christ, accepting Him as Saviour and living life according to His principles, which centre around love and forgiveness. The process has little in common with evident Christianity with its buildings, rites and rituals. To burn a church is a tragic act, however, it does not injure Christ. MY RESPONSE: No burning a church does not injure Christ, but locking up a nun and setting fire to her, had done a lot to injure humanity as a whole. INGRID WRITES: Further, it is possible to be a Christian and not know Christ; it is equally possible to be a Hindu and know Christ. Ultimately, who is the true follower of Christ — the Hindu or the Christian? MY RESPONSE: Ms Ingrid should make up her mind about exactly which religious sentiment she is trying to patronise. Calling Hindu's followers of Christ or even Christ-like is patronising at its worst. Why on earth should they follow Christian role-models, when they have plenty of their own. INGRID WRITES: There are thousands of Indians who know Christ but do no want to be known as Christians because of the ‘excess baggage’ that accompanies the term, the pain of the past and the indignities that were imposed on human beings in India by people who called themselves Christian MY RESPONSE: excess baggage? What's that? That's what I pay $5 per kilo at the airport for, but I certainly don't carry the sins of my forefathers on my head. Why should I? Are we all to be held accountable in perpetuity for history's mistakes? INGRID WRITES: The genuine follower of Christ in today’s turbulent times in India will not meet the hostility through aggression or through a martyr complex, but will try to undo the damage of the past by living and manifesting the message of the gospel, which when translated into everyday life, is the message of love. MY RESPONSE: Ah yeah, the clincher. Christians must live their lives so as to undo the damage of the past. And what might that be Ms Ingrid? Let me see, the Inquisition, the Crusades, the destruction of Sodom or Gomorrah? Exactly how far must we go to undo the damage of the past, done by foreign nations undo indigenous people, all of whom were my ancestors, and all of whom were blameless. Ingrid, reminds me of the police inspector who upon finding a rape victim, insist that they should have behaved themselves. selma --- On Fri, 9/19/08, Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Why we hate! To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 11:35 AM --- On Fri, 9/19/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[Goanet] Dear Goa Herald ...will you please give this reporter a raise in salary?
Dear Herald re: It's rain thunder against communal violence!, My good friend, Dr Francisco Colaco is a well known cardiologist who is smart enough to make his diagnosis and provide treatment with resorting to surgery - for, a Cardiac Surgeon he is not. Why are your glibly reporting that he is one? Would you please ensure that your alleged No Name reporters get their facts right. This reporter is being very careless indeed .and not for the first time this month.. Would you please promote him to the post of chaprassi for a week please sincerely jc == HERALD REPORTER PANJIM, SEPT 16 - Such was the resolve of the people .. Well-known cardiac surgeon, Dr Francisco Colaco speaking on
[Goanet] Analysis paralysis over a second airport
This is a story about the city of Sydney's second airport which keeps being talked about but nothing ever gets done to realise it. http://blogs.smh.com.au/urbanjungle/2008/09/sydneys_disappe.html Sydney's disappearing second airport The search for a second airport has become a great Sydney tradition. **For decades** those for and against a new **major airport** have fought their way across the political landscape. The battle field has been quiet for a while, but things are about to start up once again...The melancholy history of the search for a second airport is worth revisiting for a moment, because it suggests that when the smoke clears this time around, the forces of inertia might well triumph yet again...What do you think? Does Sydney need a **second major airport**? And if so, where? Posted by Michael Duffy September 18, 2008 12:30 PM The article itself is somewhat featureless especially for those alien to the Australian scene. The comments on it are however quite illuminating. But what is striking is that it has not been possible for some unknown reason for Australians to take out a real option on the second airport and dilate on it over time instead of just resorting to talk. Maybe its the power of incumbents viz the (private) owners of the first airport. As in the case of Goa the stumbling block may be the tendency to opt for a major airport instead of a willingness to start small and build up according to demand. Let's hope Goa can show the way at Mopa by being innovative and effective. .
