[Goanet] WORLD GOA DAY 2011, MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA
>From Alvito Coutinho. Melbourne Goans were in the forefront when they celebrated the World Goa Day on Saturday the 20th August. Once again the Goan Association of Australia produced an invigorating show to the delight of an exuberant crowd of Goans and guests in support of World Goa Day which has taken off as a global celebration. And they were not disappointed as the program was devised to please everyone, the young, the old, and the boisterous to enjoy rich Goan culture, cuisine and above all Konkani folk songs while they enjoyed the rest of the evening dancing to the tunes of Coda Mix led by Gladstone. The turning point came when the celebrity guest, Josefato Vales (who was specially flown in from Adelaide for the occasion), ably supported by John Fernandes gave a spectacular performance. He received a rousing reception and rounds of applause in appreciation. He entertained the crowd with Goan folk songs with one special song composed by him for 'World Goa Day'. Here are a few lines of his song, which was well received: Hooray, hooray, hooray, hooray, Come join and sing with us on 'World Goa Day'. World Goa Day mhunn hangasor muzgu vazota, Melbourne xharant amchem Goem gazota. Goenchea gorom masaleacho pormoll re eta, Pordhea fattlean randnicher 'sorpotel' xizota. Maddam fenni, kazu fenni, ghontt zai disota, Anvddo passun giulear, tallier jib re nisorta The crowd spontaneously participated in the song, wanting more of it .. finally when it did come to an end he received a standing ovation with a thunderous applause. But the night was not over yet as "Silver Platter' dished out a sumptuous dinner buffet of Sorpotel, roast beef, xacuti to name a few. Coda Mix performed brilliantly keeping the crowd on their feet specially the young ones till the early hours of the morning. The Association wishes to express thanks to the donors of prizes, namely Dr. Harry Sewgoolam, Dr. Ian D'Cruz and Ms Salome Rapson.
[Goanet] Neither Hindus nor Muslims are entitled for AYODHYA
I think we all know that the courts are referring to here is about 'Ayodhya land' where once stood the Moslem iconic mosque, the Babri Masjid. Yes, Ayodhya is definitely a Hindu related word, but it also happens to be the name of the place where the Babri Masjid stood proud until the Hindu fanatics decided to take the law into their own hands and destroy this Moslem Heritage mosque. And now they want to go one step further and claim the land where the mosque stood! That land should be rightfully handed back to the Moslem community in Ayodhya with Government grants to help them rebuild their revered place of worship. I just wonder what Human Values Mr Bale is talking about here. And what ticks him so he feels it is funny. Did he have a good laugh when the Babri Masjid was destroyed? Salus Correia >Message: 3 >Date: 9 Jan 2011 02:20:02 - >From: "damodar vinayak bale" >To: >Subject: [Goanet] Neither Hindus nor Muslims are entitled for AYODHYA > land. >Message-ID: <20110109022002.52981.qm...@f4mail-234-241.rediffmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > >This is really funny.The very word AYODHYA belongs to what,is well known.The gamut about the courts is created to fool >the people and waste valuable time and energy. It is the former world conquerers who created a written history and the >laws and courts.No one knows what Human Values are and they are trying to establish ,what Human Rights are with the >help of the Laws created by them.It would be good if the time,energy and intelligence is utilized in the interest of Human >Values.Everyone knows that all humans would like to LIVE with LOVE and PEACE,whatever religion they follow.The MEDIA >has to do some workout for Human Values and not for Human Rights. > With best regards, > Damodar(Shyam) Bale, > 11-Winton Road, > East Brunswick,NJ-08816, > U.S.A.
Re: [Goanet] PLANNING FOR THE YEAR AHEAD
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Marion:
Being a Goan does not mean being Catholic. Catholics were never a
majority in Goa, even during pre 1961 times when the Portuguese were here.
Let us not be communal and leave aside the majority community of Hindus
in Goa. They too are very much Goan and many of them love Goa maybe
more than you or I do! Fanaticism should never be accepted, and it will
lead to everyone’s downfall. If you want to increase the percentage of
Catholics in Goa, well maybe you should set out on a mission of
evangelisation instead.
Incidentally, besides Catholics and Hindus, there are also Moslems and
people of other religions or sects in Goa. And all these communities
live in harmony with one another, unlike the case of other places in India.
Incidentally, Bollywood depicts Bombay Catholics, not Goans as drunkards
etc., and the reasons are quite obvious. Sadly, many mistake the drunks
in Bollywood films as Goans. However, there may be an exception here
and there.
It would be nice if you could elaborate on your actual agenda which
could then lead to a proper plan of action. Let us not just jump the gun.
Regards
Salus
From: Marion Pereira
30% Catholics ! All the more to worry about as we will soon be a
displaced community of people who will neither belong in India nor abroad !
Hence my urgent request that we do something about it sooner rather than
later.
Unless of course we are quite happy to have our future belong to either
Hindu or Muslim !
Other communities thru Bollywood have adopted our culture but not our
religion as our Catholic culture is very free spirited. So there
already is some engagement there. We need to give ourselves this last
push to do something to increase the %.
Marketing a product or service brings results. This can also be
extended to our culture both Catholic and being a Goan. Yes if it means
bringing about an awareness to the Hindu Goans about the impact of the
deterioration of Goa - then YES !!!
kr
M
Re: [Goanet] MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ONE AND ALL
Thanks Floriano, So what exactly are you trying to tell us all with your long message? That the authorities have failed in some way or another? Getting back to my message, if the authorities have failed you, target them and NOT THE MUSIC LOVING PEOPLE OF GOA. Regards Salus From: floriano Compliments of the SEASON to you, Dear Salus. I see that you are peeked by my post on the SUNBURN Festival at Candolim Beach. The High Court of Bombay at Goa, with its concerns for the lay citizens being disturbed by loud music noise pollution has seen it fit to include those people on the committee who have been wanting governments and its agencies to implement the laws, rules and regulations in force on a consistent basis with track records. And there are people like myself who would not bother a wee bit if not elected (party) but will want the governments in place to do their jobs. Laws, rules and regulations are put in place because people like myself see, through their qualified objections, that these are put in place. Every one is equal in the eyes of the law. The ideal thing that will happen if the laws of the land are implemented to the crossing of the 'Ts' and dotting of the 'Is' is that those who want to enjoy, make money, be prosperous will enjoy, make money and be prosperous but those who don't, their rights to be left alone in peace will be guaranteed. When this becomes one sided, the other side protests, agitates and demands that their rights be given to them. And this erases most of the lethargies in the implementation of the Laws rules and regulations in existence, and also helps in formulating news Laws etc. meaning that the chairs of the persons sitting in commanding positions are shaken.
Re: [Goanet] MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ONE AND ALL
Goanetters annual year-end meet is on Dec 27, 2010 (Monday) from 4-6 pm at Institute Piedade (near Hotel Mandovi, opp Bread & More) in Panjim. Do come along. RSVP via SMS 9822122436, f...@goa-india.org or 2409490 (after 2 pm). * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Floriano: Best wishes to you and your family, in this holy season of joy. About your message below, I think we are chasing the wrong bull. Here are my comments: 1. Noise pollution: Is it a regular feature – daily? Monthly? Or once in a blue moon? There are rules about noise etc in place in Goa, and it is up to the authorities concerned to ensure that while permissions are given, they are released with the condition that the program closes down by a certain fixed time. As is done with the many dances held at Carnival, Christmas and the New year in Goa. In this instance, as per the news article in the Times of India, the organisers have stated, and I quote: “We can promise that we won't break any laws whether it is the 10 pm deadline or in terms of licenses. We believe that we are adding to the Goan economy, from employment at the fest to filling up hotels and restaurants around the venue." 2.Drugs: In which era are you living mate? Drugs are available everywhere to those who seek it. There may be a few cases of unscrupulous dealers making an appearance at the festival as is the case anywhere crowds do gather. Do you know about drugs being sold during the feast of St Francis Xavier in Old Goa? Do you want to cancel that feast too, because drugs are sold in the fair? It is the responsibility of the Police to ensure that due policing is enforced. Are the organisers selling drugs? I don’t think so, however, if they are, then it is another story altogether. 3.Garbage clearance: Have the organisers been given permission with the condition that they are responsible to clear the garbage? Garbage is the responsibility of the local panchayats or municipality, and that responsibility cannot be just palmed off to the organisers, who will be paying requisite fees charged by the local authorities to put up the show. And those fees should be designed to cover these eventualities like garbage etc. This year there were reports of garbage strewn at Old Goa on the feast of St Francis Xavier. So will the church have to organise for garbage clearance in the future? If that is the stand that Goa Suraj is going to take, forget about the elections mate! You will get nowhere. 4. Cost of the ticket: The organisers know which is the audience they have targeted for their show, and have accordingly put up their tariff. If you cannot afford to pay Rs10,000.00, then don’t go. If nobody can afford to pay that amount, then this will be the last year this show is held. Your problem solved! Let us not just object to any and every thing. Some things may be good, some may not. Music is something good, and Goans do have music running through their veins. Let our Goans enjoy the show. Issues like the above are to be tackled with the authorities who fail Goans and not the organisers of the show who are promoting something good. [I believe music is good]. Have you forgotten the good old days when young and old thronged to Calangute beach for the Simla Beat Contests? This is similar, albeit on a different level altogether. I would conclude saying that just because your government has failed you, do not penalise Goans and the organisers who are trying to put up a good show. Instead of problems, come up with solutions! Salus Correia
Re: [Goanet] IT IS TIME WE PROTECT WHAT IS LEFT OF GOA TO CONTINUE SAYING - PROUD TO BE A GOAN - FATHER OF GOA, PLEASE HELP.
This is frustrating… Shameless Goans who expect Goans from all over the world to return to Goa and ‘save’ it from Goans in Goa, who are corrupt and happy with their lot. I don’t know this Tome De Souza, but wonder what progress he is talking about, progress that is in his own words, “surviving and the people who are living and leading Goa are protecting it.”, one who does not want ‘pokkoi fogthoi’. Just pull down the ones who are sincere, and live with it. Very poor attitude for sure. To Tome, I have to ask: What are you so happy about in Goa? The corruption? The bad governance? The list goes on, but please tell us what makes you tick. And if there are stalwarts like you, who are happy there, why are you calling the old foggies back to Goa with the challenge “Kapasdad aha zaliar”? Where is your ‘kapasdad’? What is your role? Are you one of those traitors who are working hard at selling off Goa for a few coins? What are you really doing for Goa? Tell us please. Make our day! Goans on this list have their hearts bleeding for their motherland. And that is why one sees so much expressed on different forums. So do not scorn them. If their ideas are good, embrace them. If they are not workable, tell them so and they may come up with better ideas. But please, please do not ever repeat that Goans who care have to come back to rebuild the Goa that Goans in Goa have destroyed/are in the process of destroying. For Tome, my prayer is that he may see the light! Regards Salus Correia From: tjdesouza Mog assu di! Praise God. Kapasdad aha zaliar, come to Goa and do what you preach. It is no good playing your drum to a deaf and leads others if you are blind. You left what was yours to other so do not cry to what you had willingly given out. Time is still not run out, the choice is yours. Either you leave the cake or eat it. Goa is not what you all dream sitting outside Goa. It has progress, it is surviving and the people who are living and leading Goa are protecting it. Actions corresponds the spoken word and this is belief if you want to save and protect our Goa. We have millions of well wishers like this around the globe who are living with their vodvik and patrat, who only write and try to preach. We do not want pokkoi fugothoi. It reminds me of marathon runners. At the start there are 100's who participate with full of spirit, modern attire and styles but at the end only the few and the only one who is strong and have endured all the challenges receives the praise and trophy of glory. Do not come to a state when you finally make a decision to really reach our dear Goa will find yourself with a walking stick in your hand. The very people who are currently saving Goa will be forced to save and serve you. Word those come out of your mouths and the ones you write should be in praise to Goa because what you speak or write is what you want to see Goa to be. Frankly speaking, even animals do not leave their herd but stay together to defend itself. Are we not much more superior to animals? God bless you all. Tome de Souza
[Goanet] SANCTITY OF OLD GOA CHURCHES DEFILED -ASI
Good to highlight issues as Godfrey did. Rather than just do that, concrete solutions are the need of the hour. Workable solutions instead of plain criticism are what Goa needs today. With such a huge number of people converging at Old Goa with no proper supporting infrastructure, things are bound to go awry. Let us not wait for another twelve months. Target the responsible authorities directly: not via the press or Goanet, and work towards achieving the desired change by supporting them, not attacking them. They need help!
Re: [Goanet] GLOBAL GOANS CONVENTION -2010
Areh baba, baldeantlea kurleank bhair caddun xacuti korat! Stop running each other down. Let us support each other and do what has to be done. Sitting on the fences keeps us where we are, achieving nothing. Maybe the time has come for the efforts of those who are trying so hard to do something, to succeed. Remember, there is no success without trying. These blokes are trying, so let us not put them down. Give them a hand if you can. Criticism gets us nowhere. The convention has raised a level of awareness. Let us be caring and concerned. Let our love for Goa and our Goan brethren rise above all else. It is the loss of love among us for each other that has led to the sorry state Goa has got into. Lets begin striving for unity among our associations and clubs. Tiny steps with humble beginnings will work wonders. If all Goans around the world can get together and stand united, we will be a very strong voice to contend with. Are we listening, and seeing the writing on the wall? Or, are we just going to go back and continue what we have been doing? Salus Correia Melbourne -Original Message- From: Mario Rebello Well said Tome you are indeed a Niz Goenkar. It is very easy to talk from the other side of the fence without knowing the ground reality. Nothing has come out of these conventions in the interest of NRI's and nothing will happen since no one is interested in us. Mog assund, Mario Rebello Kuwait
Re: [Goanet] Talking Photos: Jardim Garcia da Orta...
Referring to the message quoted below, from Eric Pinto, can anyone confirm to me that Portugal 'Savaged' Goa? I for one, believe that it is not the case. In those days, Goa was far better off than the rest of India, and that is a fact. I remember in my younger days, the older people who experienced Portuguese rule, would always reminisce about the Portuguese days. Conversations would begin with the words "Portuguese tempar.", but then, I suppose Eric does not know much about these things, hence his attitude! I also wonder on what he has based his statement with certainty, about 'an Austra(i)lian majority' which pines for "the 'clean' old "Anglo only"". By the way, Oscar happens to be an elected councillor at the Glenn Eira Council in Melbourne, elected by an electorate clearly dominated by people of English origin. Eric should get his facts straight before making such uncalled for comments. Australia has learnt its lesson about racism, and things are so much different today. Ask any Goan here in Melbourne, and they will tell you that we Goans are a respected community in Australia. Better still, come over and see it for yourself. By the way, the subject about this thread was not about Australia, but about what is happening in Goa today. Eric should know better. Salus Correia J.P. Message: 1 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 03:34:36 -0700 (PDT) From: eric pinto To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Subject:? The day has come and will be coming - Let us make sure that the oil in our lamps do not get over! Message-ID: <650908.94594...@web55507.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 ?? Portugal was savaged by Spain for a thousand years, and has it's?fair share of "Freedom Fighters," with Britain obliged by Treaty to repel the Spaniards in future, as?it once helped to do five centuries ago. ?? I am certain an Austrailian majority?pines for the 'clean' old "Anglo only" days which kept out the French, Italians and Portuguese, besides the Oscars and Salus. eric.
[Goanet] Talking Photos: Jardim Garcia da Orta ? The day after
Joe, some things are evident, some are not; some are apparent, some are not!! Heard that old saying: you can take a horse to the water, but cannot make it drink! Even if you give those non Goans a palace, will they know what to do in it? >From: JoeGoaUk >To: goa...@goanet.org >Subject: [Goanet] Talking Photos: Jardim Garcia da Orta ? The day > after >Message-ID: <99266.25386...@web25902.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >[Goanet] Talking Photos: Jardim Garcia da Orta ? The day after ? >This one is definitely not the Mayor?s chamber http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk29/4985637979/ >? >Infact, there are four of them all four corners. >If one is toilet then others are either Maintenance or utilty ? >All four are clearly seen in the video >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrVgxbrlaOw > >Walkways or footpath are meant for walking or jogging And not sleeping or resting ? >Benches are meant for seating and not sleeping ? >Flowers are meant for admiring and not for plucking ? >Gardens gates are? meant for free & open passage not for blocking
Re: [Goanet] Talking Photos: Jardim Garcia da Orta ? The day
Those are not beggars! Those are municipal workers, 'assistant jardineiros' J enjoying their siesta! Don't you know by now that 90 percent of Municipal workers are non Goans who look like beggars? The Panjim Municipal Council must take steps to provide proper rest rooms for their maintenance employees. As to plucking flowers, that is a trait Goans have learnt after the so called 'liberation' (annexation) of Goa. >From: Gabriel de Figueiredo >To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" >Subject: Re: [Goanet] Talking Photos: Jardim Garcia da Orta ? The day after >Message-ID: <401606.93900...@web52307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >Where is the "jardineiro"? > >There used to be a "jardineiro" IIRC in charge of that garden, upto maybe 1964. >He used to ensure that no flowers were plucked nor anyone slept on the benches >/?committed nuisance as such in the garden.? High time such an "institution" was >in place!
[Goanet] COLUMN: The M V River Princess saga
Such a lot is being written on the subject in the local papers, and also on Goanet. What a waste of everybody's time. Every maritime vessel is covered by insurance, and it is a well known fact that international salvage teams rush to be in the queue to get a contract to salvage any vessel that has either run aground or even gone under. Insurance companies like Lloyds, etc even go to the extent of offering the salvage job on a 'no cure, no pay' basis. So what has happened with the River Princess? Well, the ruling Government at the time made a big mistake of interfering in the whole affair. Confiscating the vessel was something that never should have been done. The owner of the vessel must have already got his compensation, and is having a good laugh, while the government officials are playing their usual game of corruption to see who can get the biggest cut of the cake. Caught in this confusion are the poor people living on the coastal belt, and our beloved state of Goa. Time for the present government to step in and do something about it. Or maybe the High court should intervene and dispose off the vessel at the earliest thus putting every one out of their misery.
[Goanet] God does not exist!
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[Goanet] Report on World Goa Day, Melbourne
It gives me great pleasure to post a report from Mr. Alvito Coutinho, the Gen. Secretary of Goan Association of Australia, who presented World Goa Day for the first time in Melbourne this year. A great beginning for the Association, who have expressed thanks to Mr Oscar Lobo of MELGOANS who propagated this show right since it's inception in Melbourne over eight years ago. Salus Correia And I quote. WORLD GOA DAY 2010 World Goa Day was celebrated in Melbourne with a class and finesse befitting the occasion. The Springvale City Hall was once again the venue for the occasion which was held on Saturday 28th August, and proudly presented by the Goan Association of Australia Inc. for the first time. The occasion was graced by the presence of our Chief Guest the Indian Vice Consul, Mr. Rakesh V. Kawra, and his wife Mona. They were warmly welcomed by a record attendance of 400 plus guests. To the surprise of all we had the pleasure of the presence of the Chief Commissioner of Police, Mr. Simon Overland. He commended the President, Raul Fernandes for the interest the Association had taken in regards to the Youth of the Community and was extremely impressed by what was being done. He expressed his love for Goan food and for the lovely time he had. The entertainment featured a live band 'CODA MIX' and McBers'DJ - disco music. This kept the youth and the 'young at heart' continuously dancing on the floor. The popular beat of the music was contagious because it brought everybody on to the floor 'thrashing' about from end to end and gyrating to every move. This Goan twist was followed by a sumptuous dinner, catering to the delights of Goan cuisine and also noticeably appreciated by the many non Goan guests who attended the celebration. The President, Raul Fernandes in a short speech emphasized the significance of World Goa Day, to Goans, when he said, quote: "Goa symbolizes a lot of things to a lot of people - to some it is the unique culture developed over centuries of Portuguese rule; to others it is the Konkani language which is now recognised as an official language in the Indian constitution; and to others it is the exquisite Goan dishes and the beautiful beaches that have attracted tourists from around the world.. .but for whatever reasons we may love Goa there is one common thread that binds all Goans..it is our Motherland and we love Goa. By the same token we accept Australia as our adopted country and respect Australian culture and values and we have successfully integrated and assimilated with our Aussie brothers and sisters." The occasion progressed as a delightful audience, whose insatiable appetite for more music, never diminished or subsided. The MC interrupted the occasion to thank the donors Dr. Harry and Lorna Sewgoolam and Dr.Ian and Maria D'Cruz for their kind donations and to announce the winners of the raffle for half a dozen expensive prizes that were on display This brought the enthusiastic crowd to a stand still. As the winners were called out they received a rapturous ovation. The evening ended in the early hours of the morning, with pleasant memories of an eventful World Goa Day. Alvito Coutinho, Gen. Secretary, Goan Association of Australia Inc. Melbourne, Australia. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans
Democracy has not worked simply because it is non existent in Goa!! Goans just think it is there!!! From: Bernado Colaco Democracy has not worked for 48 years. Can you give us a date when it will work! Then we will shut up forever! BC Subject: Re: Fw: Goa to be ruled by Goans. We cannot blame DEMOCRACY. We must make it work. Which we are not doing. Cheers floriano * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans
Well said Senhor!! It is the local pollies who are the main cause 0f the rut that Goa had been sliding into. People now elect those who they think will do some little illegal favour for them! Salus From: Bernado Colaco I should have said an interim government without any political affiliations. Democracy in Goa is sectarian. To educate the electorate it will take an other 50 years. By than Goans will be selling ice fruit in lungis and setting illegal companies like the arrivals from the south post 61. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
Re: [Goanet] Goa to be ruled by Goans
Hi Benedict, Only NRI’s? Only if the Government is open about granting proper dual citizenship will it have much meaning. Of all the Goans listed by you as living in various countries overseas, can you say how many of these Goans are NRI’s? I would say very few indeed, if you stop counting those in the Gulf region. Here in Australia we have a great example of how the Italians have their own representatives elected to the Italian Parliament from among Italians in Australia! Any one of Italian descent can get registered as a dual Italian citizen with the right to vote. Only when this happens to Indians who hold other citizenships, will something really change. I love Bernard’s idea about an interim Government. After all, Goa was invaded against the wishes of blue blooded Goans. Regards Salus Correia * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
Re: [Goanet] More critical comments are welcome-reg. Is Nandakumar Kamat an Agent of Mine Owners and the Politicians Who Want to Sell Minerals for a Song to Multinationals for their Personal Benefit?
Kamat bab: Take it easy my friend, do not take to heart the ramblings of some on Goanet. You don't have to prove anything after all these years of being on the forefront honestly doing your bit fighting to save Goa's natural beauty. Writing something hurtful is easy, but unlike Augusto etc, you are one of the few who has walked the walk for Goa. Keep up the good work - sorry to hear about your back etc, rest and get well: Goa and your loved ones need you! Best regards Salus Correia
[Goanet] RG's vs NRG's
Selma has hit the nail on its head, hats off to her for putting the facts so well. Also a strong message to the Goan Overseas Association, Victoria, who have been famous for their 'exclusions' which will lead to their extinction before long. We have to be broad minded and include, not exclude people who love Goa and have Goa in their hearts. And marrying a Goan certainly fits this criteria. When a person marries, one not only marries a spouse, but the whole family, friends, village and state of the spouse too becomes your own!!! Message: 3 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 04:14:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Carvalho To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] RG's vs NRG's Message-ID: <616920.24062...@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Dear Manuel, Do not perturb yourself with what is said on Goanet. It takes some practice but after a while you will learn to ignore what is written on Goanet. Every full moon, this controversy of resident Goans versus non-resident Goans is resurrected. Sometimes by people who themselves are non-residents, sometimes by people who go back after a long-term exile and suddenly feel they are asli or as the Jews would say kosher Goans. If only we were a bit more like the Jews, who welcome Jews back from all over the world and vigorously keep in touch with their Diaspora. Even African-Jews are welcome back to the fold, if they can prove some link to Abraham or an equally vague tribe of Israel. I bet even I can prove that I am more Jewish than I am Goan. We Goans on the other hand, have learnt to classify our people. Bardezkar, Xastticar, Africar, Gulfkar, Bhatcar, Gaunkar, tarvotti, cusiner, Mussalman, Konkno, botcar, Bamon, Chardo, Sudhir, NRG, RG, bhailo, bitorlo, there is always some reason or the other, to exclude people; never a reason to include people in our realm of understanding. A society which continually seeks to exclude becomes smaller and smaller in their way of thinking. Finally they become such an exclusive group, forgotten by the world,?fading into obscurity?and?inevitably into?extinction. Best, selma
[Goanet] Goa minister under cloud after alleged partner dies
I am referring to Gabe's comment below. It is very easy to throw stones on others, but we have to remember that a life has been lost, and no one has the right to sit in judgment. And why bring the Church into the mix? There should be absolutely no problem for any church to bury the deceased. Her personal life is something that she as an adult has been responsible for, and the same applies to Micky the Minister. Besides this, casting aspersions on the priest from Colva is just uncalled for. GABE'S COMMENT: Very unfortunate indeed and a sad day for Micky. He should put up his hand and admit his relationship. Under the circumstances which Church will bury her ? Micky will have to get his friend in Colva to do the necessary.
[Goanet] StyleSpeak: THE FRUIT OF THE LAND
Well written Wendell, your article brought back memories of my good old days too!! Many thanks. Salus Correia Message: 10 Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 23:23:51 -0400 From: Wendell Rodricks To: goa...@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] StyleSpeak: THE FRUIT OF THE LAND Message-ID: <4beb70c7.3040...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed StyleSpeak: THE FRUIT OF THE LAND By Wendell Rodricks
[Goanet] want to join Goanet
Rajesh Dessai wrote: Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 18:44:57 +1100 From: Rajesh Dessai To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] want to join Goanet Message-ID: <1ede852a1002122344l7dde3dd1w95415e5f801b3...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello Goans at Goanet, I came across your list and would like to receive the digest daily. Can you please register me? ?Are you charging any fees? ?Nice to see Goan issues discussed, that is good. Anxiously waiting for your positive reply. Thanking you Raj Rajesh Dessai Response: Welcome to Goanet Rajesh. Looking forward to seeing one more active poster. Don't be disheartened if you are attacked in response to your posting: we have different kinds of posters on Goanet as you may have seen, and mostly all of them have Goa deep in their hearts. So you can expect 'mog ani fog' Please feel free to send in your thoughts. Good luck!!! Salus Correia
[Goanet] Goa Telephone Directory
Fred wrote: Contrary to what you say Salus, I've found quite a few numbers using the online telephone directory. But one has to make sure you search for a name "anywhere in the listings" (rather than using the 'starts with' option). Response: Well Fred, if you read my post, I said: "Most simple names do not even come up." I went once again on the site for a check and tried your name. Sorry mate, even you are not listed! I then tried names of my family members and friends in Goa, and most of them too are not listed. I even called some in Goa to check if their numbers were unlisted for any reason, and they told me that it was not the case. We have to remember that telephone directories should be complete and have all names so people can search for the relevant telephone numbers in time of need. That is the point of having a telephone directory. Tell me Fred: Do you believe that the BSNL website is good enough? Surely it needs improvement, and that is what I was talking about in the first place. Regards, Salus
[Goanet] Talking Photos: Please identify this old bridge
Old Siridao bridge?? Salus
[Goanet] Goa Telephone Directory
Fred Noronha wrote: A long-lost friend wants to get in touch and I can't locate the number in the telephone directory or in the online version of it [ http://210.212.176.226/namesearch.php?selssa=GOA] Thanks in advance! FN Response: I tried using the above 'online' version of the telephone directory, and it does not give any information, just useless. Most simple names do not even come up. It would be great if some of you in Goa could take it up with the telephone department so that this very vital site could be made workable and a bit more user friendly. Maybe this link can be shown to them: http://www.whitepages.com.au/wp/ Salus
[Goanet] Good news for unborn babies in India
The Delhi High Court in a recent ruling, ruled that unborn babies are on par with a minor child!! For details, check this link: http://tinyurl.com/ybqda39 Wonder what is going to happen to the thousands of unborn babes aborted/killed each year in India. Is the DHC going to charge the women and their doctors with murder???
[Goanet] Goan youth dont want to work
Samir wrote: This is a dangerous reality. Wondering what those shouting against "bhailes' have to say about this. Should the Colva businessman shut his shop and sit there doing bhajan or go for what is available --- Biharis and UPites ? Or may be he should emmigrate, take up US citizenship,? and shout save Goa! Response: Nah!! He doesn't have to emigrate or take up US citizenship. Instead, he can shout 'save Goa' from Bengalaroo!!!
[Goanet] Nasnem in English, and oats in konkani ?
Venatius Pinto wrote: Nachne/Nasne/Nachni (Ragi, Marathi, Kannada) = Millet. In Goa used to make pole, ambil (yeaah), bhakri/bhakor. More gnyan here: http://www.answers.com/topic/finger-millet Oats = Konkanint, churmulyeo/chirmulyeo; Marathent, kumure; ani Purtuguezint mhunta arroz tufado. venantius j pinto Response: Nashne: Millet - correct. Oats: The word 'churmulyeo' does not mean Oats. Churmulyeo is puffed rice. I do not think there is a Konkani word for Oats as this is not a crop grown in the Indian sub continent. Russia and Canada are the worlds largest Oats growers. There have been cases of crop trials in India, but it has never caught on: the climate is just not right. Maybe someone can coin a Konkani word and take credit. Salus
[Goanet] PPT on cancer detection and prevention and Cancer camp on 14/2/10
Just came across this message from Jane Rodrigues on the subject. Fantastic initiative, congratulations to the Mumbai Goan Association. In my opinion, a very good example of what NRG's can do!!! Well done guys, keep it up. This is just excellent and shows your caring attitude. We are proud of you. You have shown the way. With the very high incidence of cancer now a days, this camp will go a long way, and will certainly help a lot of people lead a better life, free from the dreadful plague we call cancer. Early detection is the best chance one has with cancer. Salus Correia Date: 30 Jan 2010 11:19:35 - From: "jane gillian rodrigues" To: Subject: [Goanet] PPT on cancer detection and prevention and Cancer camp on 14/2/10 Message-ID: <20100130111935.20119.qm...@f5mail-236-235.rediffmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" My dear E-mail Friends & Family, Please forward this e-mail to all. Please attend in large numbers in order to make the Camp, a huge success. Regards and best wishes, Jane THE BOMBAY CATHOLIC SABHA Affiliated to the All India Catholic Union and Registered under The Bombay Public Trust Act, 1950. Regn. # E12545 (BOM) ST. ANDREWS UNIT, BANDRA & The Mumbai Goan Association (M.G.A.) in alliance with World Alliance of Goan Associations -(WAGA), Under the inspiring leadership of Mr. Rene Barreto cordially invites you to a Cancer Detection Camp --- Sponsored by MICRO LABS LIMITED 27, RACECOURSE ROAD BANGALORE - 560 001 I N D I A TEL: +91-80-2237 0464 2237 0465 FAX: +91-80-2237 0463 WEBSITE: www.microlabsltd.com --- on Date: Sunday, 14th Feb 2010 Time : 9:00am to 2pm Venue : The Holy Family Hospital, Hill Road, - OPD. Premises, Bandra SCHEDULE : 9:00 - 09:30am - Confirmation of Registration 9:30 - 10:00am - Talk by Rita DSa Vice-President, The Bombay Catholic Sabha followed by Coffee Break 10:00 - 11:00am - Inauguration & Welcome Address - by Chief Guest - Fr. Vernon Aguiar, Parish Priest, St. Andrews Church, Bandra(w), Mr. Buddy DSouza - Chairperson MGA Activities & Programmes & PPT on Early Detection & Prevention of Cancer- by Dr. Ian D'Souza, eminent oncologist 11:00am -2pm - CANCER DETECTION CAMP Eminent Cancer Specialists in attendance at the Camp :- (1) Dr. Ian D'Souza, (2) Dr. Malcolm Fonseca (3) Dr. Brian Sodder (4) Dr. Jacinta Mathias (5) Sr. Beena (6) Dr. Genevieve D'Sa (7) Dr. Vernon Sequeira (8) Dr. Christopher D'Souza (9) Dr. D. M. Borkar (10) Dr. J. Peter Rodrigues and others NB : * further check-ups / tests will be done at subsidised rates at Holy Family Hospital, Bandra(W), Mumbai, 400 0050. For registration and further information please contact :- (1) Dr. J. Peter Rodrigues -+9198200 61317 BCS, Unit Chairman (2) Mr. Merck N. DSilva - +9198207 83616 BCS, UNIT Secretary (3) Mr. Buddy DSouza MGA Chairperson, Activities & Programmes +919821589106 (4) Mrs. Belinda Kuwelker MGA Vice-President +919821241216 (5) Jane Rodrigues - +919820214635 Registration Charges : (1) Rs. 50/- per head for Cancer Camp. (2) No charges for PPT on Early Detection & Prevention of Cancer- Kindly meet BCS/MGA members for registration At :- Venue : St. Andrews Church, Ground Floor, Room no. 2, Bandra(W), Mumbai 400 050 Date Sunday (1), 31st January, 2010 & (2) 7th Feb 2010, Time : 10 am - 11 am (both days inclusive) LAST DATE FOR REGISTRATION : 8th Feb 2010
[Goanet] Attacks on Indians are racisit : Australia's ex-Army
Samir Kelekar wrote on Goanet: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:04:45 -0800 (PST) From: Samir Kelekar To: Goanet Subject: [Goanet] Attacks on Indians are racisit : Australia's ex-Army chief Message-ID: <958637.38228...@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Attacks-on-Indians-are-racist-Austr alias-ex-Army-chief/articleshow/5478936.cms Wonder what argument our resident NRGs have this time. Ex-Army chief has lost his "civic consciousness" ? :-) regards, Samir RESPONSE: Luckily for Samir's 'resident NRGs', this time we have a response from some resident Indians, in India. I got this link off Samir's link and it was not much trouble at all. Click on the link below to see what unconnected resident Indians have to say about the subject: http://timesofindia.indiatimesqna.com/?ref=permalinkquestion <http://timesofindia.indiatimesqna.com/?ref=permalinkquestion&question_id=19 5490> &question_id=195490 I rest my case. Salus Correia
[Goanet] Citizenship issue...
Tony de Sa wrote: "This is typically the sarsaparilla that Gouveia specializes in." RESPONSE: What is the connection using the word 'sarsaparilla'? That is a fruity drink freely available in Australia!!! Tastes great when cultured. Salus Correia
[Goanet] Garcia-Da-Orta - Progress status
This is another story similar to the one about the Goa Velha bypass. Dates and dates and more dates, all of which will pass by! JoeGoaUk kindly posted these pictures: http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk23/4288364430/sizes/l/ ? http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk23/4288365516/sizes/l/ ? http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk23/428834/sizes/l/ ? http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk23/4287627051/sizes/l/ the whole area is enclosed http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk23/4287628161/sizes/l/ for earlier pics Nov. 10, 2009 http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk6/4093469530/ I went through them all, and well, my prediction is that the garden may be ready for re-opening, if at all that happens, sometime!! No dates please. All the pictures have been clicked during the day. And just as in the Goa Velha bypass case, one can hardly see any activity or work being done on the project. The project has begun: there must have been some minister or VIP who wanted to 'lay the foundation stone' and have his name on the plaque. Who cares about completion? The longer it is delayed, the more the costs will increase, lining up someone's pockets! Another typical example of a case needing intervention by our resident Goans who have to make some noise, maybe kick some ass and get the ball rolling once again. What an eyesore right in the middle of the capital city. This is Goa's shame. Salus Correia
[Goanet] Devache Munxamche ami umao ghetat gai?
JoeGoaUk wrote: I remember those days while kissing the priests? hands. ?we said ?Deu boro dis dium tuka pativ? Ami ou amchim bhurguim azunui oxem kortat gai? Kiteak na? Antam vas eta kitem? Ou tanchim fottim ou mellim kortumbam tumchea dolleam samkara etat? Why this is not happening now? Is it because.. Tempa pormonnem mathiar kurponnem? Yes ? You mean to say they were like God before? If yes, who are they like now? RESPONSE: JoeGoa has made a very good observation. However, one must ask the question, Why? Why did people kiss the hands of a priest? Was it because they assumed the priest was holy? Was it because they considered the priest a God? Why? Yes, many questions for sure. When I was young, I too was taught to kiss the hands of a priest, and I was told the reason why. Not for the reasons mentioned above for sure. A priest is a man like any other. As a human, like any of us he is bound to either succeed or fail at what he does or needs to do. However, the reason we kiss the hands of a priest is because we believe that it is those hands that are blessed. Blessed with the opportunity to hold the consecrated host each day. The hands of a priest are like a holy receptacle which holds the body of our God while on the altar. And that is why we kiss the revered hands of a priest. I do understand that this may be very difficult for some when they think of the way some priests live their lives: living in sin. But, we should never confuse the personal life of a priest with the special calling he has, to consecrate the sacred species each day. So when we kiss the hands of a priest, we are kissing a holy receptacle and not the actual 'hands of a priest'. Let us not sit in judgement of our priests. Like us, they are human and can fail. Any many have failed. In fact, too many have failed, lending a bad name to the Holy Priesthood. After all, we don't see the good ones, but count the bad apples. Let us support our priests in their priestly duties. With our support and prayers, maybe we will see less of those bad apples! Joe, times have changed, but the priesthood set up by Jesus himself has not. We have changed, but God has not. Salus Correia
[Goanet] Another Indian taxi driver beaten, abused in Australia
Samir Kelekar wrote: http://www.ndtv.com/news/world/another_indian_taxi_driver_beaten_abused_in_a ustralia.php Viva Australia! At last Samir is making some sense lol! There is no country in the world which is immune to violence and related problems. However, in Australia from the above article I gather that the law is indeed working well, unlike India. Salus Correia
[Goanet] Three Indians denied entry into Australian bar
Samir Kelekar wrote: Message: 5 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:58:40 -0800 (PST) From: Samir Kelekar To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] Three Indians denied entry into Australian bar Message-ID: <446964.8624...@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Three-Indians-denied-entry-into-Aus tralian-bar/articleshow/5451687.cms I guess they didnt bleach themselves or acted whiter than the whites! Goans of course would be allowed as they know to do you know what!!! samir PS: If you want to only highlight the negatives that NRGs do of Goa, it is not difficult to highlight the negatives of the West! Response: Yes dear Samir: Goans would definitely be allowed because unlike those three friends of yours, Goans are not stupid enough to go to venues drunk, under the influence of alcohol or drugs. Security guards have full powers to deny entry to venues if they even suspect that the person is under the influence of drugs or alcohol, and not even the police will involve in such matters. The security guards by the way, are trained and certified before they are employed. They have good experience at their job and they do it extremely well. Thanks to them, we can enjoy a quite drink in a bar or pub. Salus Correia
[Goanet] Aussies killed in India
We have headlines of late with stories about Indians killed in Australia. Yes, there have been killings for whatever reasons and no one can condone those killings. However, there is always a proper and impartial investigation carried out. The same does not apply to foreigners being killed in India. Today I just saw a news article in the local paper and would like to share it with you all. Click on this link to access the article. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/no-justice-with-aussie-deaths/stor y-e6frf7l6-1225820411665 Can anyone enlighten us as to what happened to the recent Scarlett murder case? Or the older case where the Australian missionaries were torched while they were resting in their jeep? Is there a justice system that works in India? This is a national shame.
[Goanet] Citizenship issue --- what IQ these people have?
s in their homes to do their work! NRG's on the other hand have no servants. They do their 8 hour stints or more in some cases, and then they have to do their own house work. And they are not complaining about it, for they do have their just rewards. Importantly, they have made a choice to live the life they live, and accept the consequences, without complaints. No NRG has 'always taken the easy and opportunistic way' as claimed by Samir. As far as the NRG's go, Goa is their homeland, and they have their hearts in the right place. About Samir, well, I do have my doubts. Viva Goa, Viva Goenkars. True Goans, wherever they may be will always have Goa in their hearts. Salus Correia Ps: I have no claims about the level of my IQ, but when so called educated people write so poorly as Samir does, then I don't think he can have any claim on a good IQ.
[Goanet] Second Hand underwear market booming!
The second hand underwear market in Bangalore is on the boom!! And our veritable Goanetter Samir Kelekar has just begun an advertising campaign in a bid to collect as much underwear as possible. This is an appeal to all Goanetters (he has openly stated how much he respects you all!) to collect their used underwear on a daily basis and package them for Samir. The good thing is that you don't even have to wash them: Samir is very good at washing dirty linen. Choice of a citizenship is the prerogative of each individual. So is love for a homeland. One does not have to be a citizen in order to have feelings and concern for ones native place. Samir wrote: Salus, let us start with yourself first. How often do you change underwears oops citizenships? regards, Samir
[Goanet] Proud to be a Goan
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Happy New Year Twenty-Ten --- I am sure many Goanetters have been reading Samir's rant against Rajan on this forum. Rajan is one bloke who does have Goa deep down in his heart, and it does not matter where he lives, or what nationality he holds. What is important is that Rajan's love for Goa makes him hurt when he sees his beloved Goa going down the drain, and that is why he does what he does. His love for his beloved land of Goa surpasses all else, and time and again he has proved it by doing the yakka himself. One does not have to be an Indian citizen to profess love for Goa. And one does not have to stay in Goa to fight for Goa. Personally, I have never met Rajan, and do not even know him. But his actions have proved more than mere words. My question to Samir and other like thinking persons is: What have you done, and what are you doing now, today to plug the drain that Goa is being washed out of? Rajan on the other had does not have to answer that question. We all know what he does with passion! Do something Samir, and if you cannot, please do not stop someone who does. Patriotism like yours sucks! Salus Correia Message: 2 Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 19:16:57 -0800 (PST) From: Samir Kelekar To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] Proud to be a Goan, I am an Indian first Message-ID: <854961.98327...@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Some of those, mainly who have non-Indian citizenship, have questioned the fact that I am in Bangalore and not in Goa. My position is very clear --- like Sachin Tendulkar, I am an Indian first; of course, I am proud to be a Goan. Ask any Californian American --- whether they are a Californian first or an American first. regards, Samir
Re: [Goanet] church sponsored goondaism
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Happy New Year Twenty-Ten --- Was Barve there to check who rang the bells? Tradition has it that people ring the bells when they want to draw attention to a serious problem. The priests do not ring bells as far as I can recollect!! -Original Message- From: SHRIKANT BARVE [mailto:shri8...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, 31 December 2009 7:53 PM To: goa...@goanet.org; goanet Cc: saluscorr...@gmail.com Subject: church sponsored goondaism "The church bells were rang today to gather villagers, who held a corner meeting near the church before walking to police. Colva police inspector Edwin Colaco said that the case is booked against the entire production team and investigations have started. An angry mob stoned house belonging to Culvert Fernandes. Colaco said that case of mobbing is also registered against unknown persons." BACKGROUND: When an audio CD leads to a riot... (Daijiworld, Herald, PTI) http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-December/187766.html' As per my information Church bells were rang first and there after, after one hour and the crowd was directed to proceed towards house belonging to Culvert Fernandes. Salus Cprreia, IS THIS NOT CHURCH SPONSORED GOONDAISM? Shrikant Vinayak Barve The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/
[Goanet] church sponsored goondaism
Barve:
Why do you have to add your two paise worth of rubbish into a controversy
that is already brimming? Do you have any proof that the church has
sponsored the goondaism? This is nothing but adding fuel to a fire which
needs to be extinguished, not re-lit. I just wonder what will your reaction
be when there is some trouble generated by the Hindus! Even if that is the
case, please do not make false allegations without proof. If you have the
proof, seek recourse in the law, not the press.
There is the rule of law which must be followed. If that Calvert bloke has
produced a music cd that has hurt the sentiments of some, then taking the
matter out on the streets is not the answer. And if the priests have been
responsible to push this case on to the streets then they have done a grave
wrong. I cannot understand why senior police officers have to be
transferred on the whims and demands of politicians too! That too is
totally wrong.
Those responsible for the attack on Calvert's house should be booked. No
one can be allowed to take the law into their own hands. So also, those
responsible for the chaos on the streets. The street is not the right forum
to voice demands: The judicial system is.
Salus
Message: 9
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:48:57 -0800 (PST)
From: SHRIKANT BARVE
To: goanet , goa...@goanet.org
Cc: so...@bsnl.in, sweet_sonali_...@rediffmail.com
Subject: [Goanet] Talibanisation of Colva
Message-ID: <962183.45351...@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Hat's off to you Soter.
Please also note that
Police informed that there was some stone throwing and damage to Mr
Gonsalves? residence and a journalist was also roughed up.
The police have registered a case under Sections 153, 153A, 295A and 298
read with Section 34 of of the Indian Penal Code has been registered against
Mr Culvert Gonsalves. Also the police have registered a case against the mob
under Sections 147, 148, 427 read with 149 of the Indian Penal Code based on
the complaint filed by the panch?s mother.
Reports also say that the journalist assaulted by the mob has also filed a
case on Tuesday.
http://www.navhindtimes.in/news/goa-news/6796-cops-given-ultimatum-till-dec-
31-to-act
This is also an opportunity for Ratra Seva Dal to protest against Church
sponsored Goodaism questioning " potraying a religious person in bad light"
is a crime?
{Earlier, on Monday, the villagers had gathered in large numbers at the
Colva police station and gheraoed the police demanding action on a complaint
filed against panch, Mr Culvert Gonsalves, Mr Ozzy Viegas and the entire
production team of audio CD ?Dogui Bodmas? for potraying a religious person
in a bad light. }
kindly publish..!!
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-December/187726.htm
l
Shrikant Vinayak Barve
[Goanet] baseball bats etc!!
Cip: I think he got it from the 'banana' plantation!!! Mario G must be having another theory too. J Salus Message: 7 Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 08:25:39 -0800 (PST) From: Cip Fernandes To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa taxi driver hit us with baseball bat Message-ID: <783569.25833...@web45908.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 In Goa, hardly anyone plays baseball. I cannot understand from where the taxi driver got one. Cip - Original Message From: Mario Goveia To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Mon, December 28, 2009 2:26:42 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa taxi driver hit us with baseball bat Salus Correia wrote: > Samir has gone 'bananas'!? Pramod Shirodkar is definitely a Goan so > please do not link him and spoil the 'good name' of the ghatis.? Goans > are rapists besides other things.? Remove the blinkers.? Every > community has its bad apples, and Goans are not exempt.
[Goanet] Goa taxi driver hit us with baseball bat
Floriano, Predicting a problem is no big deal: coming with a solution that works, is. If Goa Suraj could sharpen its skills in doing that, I predict it will win the next elections. J Salus Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:20:23 +0530 From: "floriano" To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa taxi driver hit us with baseball bat Message-ID: <130d295bddcf4e31ac05b117a473b...@home> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original We (goasuraj) predicted that the inaugural IFFI 2004 would usher in all these high-priced white skinned whores, prostitutes and call girls into Goa. not that there was dearth of it already :-)) Hello ! Nostra Damus Hello ! Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org PS: Baseball bats in Goa??? Must be the look-alike handle of our spade (khoranti kudou) the kanadigas call 'Phawda' PPS: Goa's Need of the Hour. What's Zat??
Re: [Goanet] Goa taxi driver hit us with baseball bat
Mervyn: So was I!!! Message: 3 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 07:54:28 -0800 (PST) From: Mervyn Lobo To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa taxi driver hit us with baseball bat Message-ID: <412500.42312...@web50508.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Salus Correia wrote: > Samir has gone 'bananas'!? Pramod Shirodkar is definitely a Goan so > please do not link him and spoil the 'good name' of the ghatis.? Goans > are rapists besides other things.? Remove the blinkers.? Every > community has its bad apples, and Goans are not exempt. -- Salus, Samir was being sarcastic. Secondly, the Russian girls are not tourists in Goa. They are high priced call girls. They are also part of the reason why everyone wants to buy a second home in Goa. Lets see, in Goa you get unlimited amount of booze, gambling and foreign whores. That combination is a good enough?lure for anyone with extra money. Lastly, just to make this clear, there is no excuse ever to rape a women, be it your wife or a foreign whore.?? Mervyn1104Lobo
[Goanet] Mumbai's water woes
Thanks Floriano. That was no 'dog in the manger' stance. I do understand exactly where Soter is coming from. And I do know how mighty little is being done by the PWD and concerned departments to alleviate the woes of Porvorim and other areas in Goa where water is indeed scarce. All I am saying is that we must be considerate of others, and not think of their problems as 'good news'. It is indeed a shame to know that Goa which enjoys a good monsoon every year still depends on drawing water directly off the rivers. I would assume that the 'Town and Country Planning' department should make long term plans not just for plots, houses, roads and a fast buck. They should also make practical and workable plans for necessities and utilities like power, gas, telecommunications, water etc. Trends have to be used to work out and thus forecast the needs 20 or more years from today, and start working on meeting those needs today. In my humble opinion, the Government of Goa can actually seek help and advice from the many Goans who are successfully doing such jobs overseas. I am sure such overseas Goans will be only too happy to help the bid to make Goa a better place. In 2010, the International Global Goans Conference will be held in Melbourne Australia. Goans from all over the globe will converge for this conference. This would be a good forum to make contacts. Maybe Eduardo Faleiro can liaise with concerned Government departments to depute their officers to attend the conference to learn new ideas which could be implemented after due study and adaptation in Goa. This would be far better than having Goan Montrys go on foreign jaunts and then come back with silly ideas like changing the uniform of Goa Police! The professionals can be held accountable and this will bring results. Message: 4 Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:32:49 +0530 From: "floriano" To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Subject: Re: [Goanet] Mumbai's water woes Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Salus Correia should not take Soter's post as the 'dog in the manger' stance. Soter is predicting the same, if not worst, for Goa with the current laisez-faire attitude of the elected government her in Goa. We, however, sympathize with the people of Mumbai who are hit with the basic water scarcity. Hopefully, will improve in a jiffy. In solidarity with Salus Correia as well as with Soter Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org PS: Goa's water scarcity situation has started with Porvorim/Goa where Soter lives. PPS: Goa's Need of the Hour.. What's Zat???
[Goanet] Goa taxi driver hit us with baseball bat
Samir has gone 'bananas'! Pramod Shirodkar is definitely a Goan so please do not link him and spoil the 'good name' of the ghatis. Goans are rapists besides other things. Remove the blinkers. Every community has its bad apples, and Goans are not exempt. Message: 6 Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 05:13:33 -0800 (PST) From: Samir Kelekar To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] Goa taxi driver hit us with baseball bat Message-ID: <99773.14342...@web34207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Goa-taxi-driver-hit-us-with-base ball-bat-Russian-girls/articleshow/5381634.cms Goa taxi driver hit us with baseball bat But they continued the search, so we waited for sunrise," the victim said, adding that the driver Pramod Shirodkar was later joined by two other accomplices who were helping him track them down. Pramod Shirodkar ? Must be a ghati Throw all the ghatis out! :-) samir
[Goanet] Mumbai's water woes
Reading Soter's message below, a question pops up in my mind: Why is it 'good news' that Mumbai is reeling under a water crisis? What is so good about that bit of news? Has Soter lost all his sense of decency? Does he enjoy someone else's discomfort? Soter may be fighting for a great cause, but this attitude is totally unjustified. Let us have compassion on those who suffer. >Message: 10 >Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 17:00:19 +0530 >From: "soter" >To: >Subject: [Goanet] Mumbai's water woes >Message-ID: <001e01ca8555$b26e7c20$1901a...@user77948b9580> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >For those who are quick to cite the greatness of Mumbai at the least provocation, the good news is that >Mumbai is now reeling under a water crisis. A 100% water supply shut down once a week to certain areas in >rotation is going to be the reality in a few days time. Even doing this the authorities do not guarantee >improvement. Do we want this faulty planning model to be adopted in Goa? >Whatever the talk about economic development and employment, it is all bogus and that is why hordes of >migrants are encouraged to come to Goa to take up jobs. Every land has its carrying capacity and that should >form the basis of any development, not the needs of ever greedy humans. Planning to satisfy the needs >without regard to carrying capacity is bound to bring disaster. >There is a konkani adage which says, 'dukrak bhangar nhoi.' Those planners mentally conditioned to >developing slums and stench will only be comfortable with such development. We must remmeber that Goa is >not planned by goans but by UP-ites, Delhi-ites and kannadigas. Some Goans have shamelessly lost direction >and also joinned the race. Watch out before we go mad like the crazy cities of Mumbai and Delhi. > >-soter
[Goanet] Where can I find Goanese Konkani speakers in the US
Dear Bosco and Ali, There are no "Goanese" Konkani speakers any where in the world, leave aside the US. However, you will find loads of "Goans" in every nook and corner of the world who will speak Konkani with pleasure! >Message: 3 >Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:47:46 +0500 >From: "Michael Ali" >To: "Goanet" >Subject: [Goanet] Where can I find Goanese Konkani speakers in the >Message-ID: <0484815f815d4eeb87b8e208f1b7a...@ownerpc> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Dear Bosco, > >There are a lot of Konkani speakers in the US but mainly concentrated in the tri-state area ( Goan Association >of Hudson Valley and the New Jersey Goan Association) in the east and several in the California area on the >west. There is also a large community in Florida and Texas. > >Mike
[Goanet] Government has no balls!!
* G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and seeks to buy approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs land betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas. Please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or ph+91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html Very amusing read... Surprised to note that the Government had one 'ball' left!!! After having read about this sore story about the River Princess for so many years, I believed it had none, but well, now we know for sure that the Government has no balls!! And now that the HC has the balls, we just have to wait and see what happens. >>>Message: 4 >>>Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:37:26 -0400 >>>From: "Goanet News Service" >>>Subject: [Goanet] River Princess: Govt puts ball in HC court >>>To: "Goanet" >>>Message-ID: >>>River Princess: Govt puts ball in HC court >>>PANAJI: Revenue minister Jose Philip D'Souza on Monday told the House that the fate over the removal of the M V River Princess, responsible for eating up an entire beach at Sinquerim, depended on the Goa bench of the Bombay high court. In his reply on the demands for grants, D'Souza said that the government is determined to remove the vessel. "There are two options available - to continue the contract with Jaisu Shipping subject to stringent terms and conditions or to float fresh international tenders to refloat the vessel. Before any of these two actions are taken, it is necessary that the high court gives permission," he said. "This is because there is a stay on the removal of the vessel, and Jaisu Shipping has been fighting against the decision of the government to cancel the contract. Unless the high court issues directives to the government to remove the grounded vessel, it will not be possible for the Goa State Disaster Management Authority (GSDMA) and the advisory committee constituted to take further action in the matter," the revenue minister said. "In the event of Jaisu Shipping continuing with the contract, the government will set up a monitoring mechanism to ensure that the work is completed before March 2010. And in the event of floating fresh tenders, the government will take steps to ensure that the new company appointed will complete the task before the arrival of the monsoon in 2010," D'Souza added. It maybe pointed out here that the government realized that the presence of the vessel had caused environmental changes, including beach erosion and diversion of currents and flow of sea water, and decided to declare the River Princess as a state disaster, which was accordingly notified on March 30 this year. Meanwhile, tourism minister Francisco Xavier Pacheco in his written reply to a starred question by opposition MLAs Francis D'Souza and Dilip Parulekar stated that GSDMA has recommended to the high court that Jaisu Shipping should be allowed to complete the work of re-floating and towing away of the River Princess without fail by March 31, 2010. In trying to resolve the vexed issue of the River Princess, Pacheco has stated that the GSDMA has also made several other suggestions to the high court. It has stated that the government will withdraw the termination notice issued to Jaisu Shipping and that company will in turn withdraw the arbitration proceedings filed against the government, said the tourism minister. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/city/goa/River-Princess-Govt-puts-ba ll-in-HC-court/articleshow/4854298.cms
[Goanet] No need to panic over Gulf retrenchments: NRI Commissioner
Check this news link from the Navhind Times of today. http://www.navhindtimes.com/story.php?story=200906258 The NRI commissioner has plans to give returning NRI's a pension, and other assistance. while this next one: http://www.navhindtimes.com/story.php?story=2009062514 talks of 2 lakh unemployed in Goa. What about them, poor guys who never had a chance. Is there any commissioner for these blokes, who maybe could give them some assistance? [like for example a 'bekar commissioner'] The gulf NRI's have had their chance at making money while they could, and the smart ones have built palaces and are very well off flashing their wealth. It is the poor unemployed in Goa who have struggled and are still struggling to make a living, who have to be taken care of. To me this looks like another money racket indeed. Personally, I believe that if the Government has the money, they should spend it on creating jobs for the local people in Goa first. Creating more jobs will automatically improve the plight of the people. And then, maybe there would be less people becoming NRI's too!!! Wake up Eduardo Faleiro, wake up Digambar Kamat and all the rest of the local politicians. Get your priorities right!
[Goanet] sex trade in goa - BLAME IT ON THE MEN - why?
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- 5th Annual Konkan Fruit Fest Promenade, D B Bandodkar Road, Panaji, Goa 16-18, May 2008 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-May/073789.html --- So finally, the poor men get blamed! What a sad conclusion to arrive at: a conclusion that points fingers in just one direction, and that is so unfair. I wonder if Jane ever thought of any other reasons that could have prompted the men to frequent the brothels in the first place. It is not just the duty of the Goan Government and the Catholic Clergy to educate all Goan males about the so called dangers. I think we need to look a long way back, and try to analyse exactly what is the root cause which drives men to these places. And sadly, a lot of the problem starts with our women themselves. We need to see mothers speak to their sons with love so that they learn early that women have to be respected. And this talk is reinforced with respectable behaviour by the fathers in the house. If a child sees his father disrespecting his mother, that is certainly not going to help mould his tender mind in the right way. And then we need to go one step further. We know that most of the men who frequent brothels are married men. So what drives them away from their wives to these other women? I believe their wives too need to reflect and contemplate on this subject, and do what it takes to make their men want them above all other women around. I dont think there is need for further elaboration in this area! >>> > Message: 5 >Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 23:07:51 -0400 >From: "jane gillian rodrigues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [Goanet] sex trade in goa >To: "Goanet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Dear Goankars, "THE SEX trade in Baina, exists, because of the men who visit these places. It is the duty of the Goan Govtmt and the Catholic clergy to educate all Goan males in schools and colleges, on the dangers of visiting these places. In fact letters should be sent by the police or panchayat, to the family members of men, caught visiting these places to watch them and these men for medical help to psychiatrists. Regards,
[Goanet] MelGoans - December 2006 Newsletter
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Spread the Christmas cheer - even when you're not here! Send Christmas Greetings to your loved ones in Goa. 2006 Christmas - Two Packages available from EXPRESSIONS http://www.goa-world.com/expressions/xmas/ Dear Friends, As we prepare for Christmas, here is our last newsletter for this glorious year 2006. Thanks for being with us, your support is immensely appreciated. http://www.melgoans.com/pdf/GHOZALI-Dec2006.pdf May each of you be blessed at Christmas, and may the new year bring in Blessings! Viva Goa. Salus Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
