[Goanet] PILAR PRIEST FR. RAPOSO PASES AWAY - A press note for kind favour of publication
GOANET : PILAR PRIEST FR. RAPOSO PASSES AWAY IN OHIO- U.S.A. https://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@lists.goanet.org/msg109270.html GSRP PRESS NOTE [for kind favour of publication] The Goa Su-Raaj Party - GSRP condoles the sudden and shocking demise of young Fr. Peter Raposo of Pilar Society at Ohio, U.S.A. Yet again GOA has lost a promissing young talent in Fr. Peter Raposo. The Party's sympathies are with his grieving family members as well as the Society of Pilar for this great loss. Sd/- Floriano Lobo General Secretary Goa Su-Raaj Party -GSRP --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com
[Goanet] Do Justice to Overseas Goans
Navhind Times - NT LETTERS TO THE EDITOR Posted by: Navhind Times in Opinion 30 September, 2014 Do Justice to Overseas Goans I read with great dismay that people of Goan origin, born in Pakistan and now holding Canadian nationality, are being denied visas by the Indian High Commission to visit their homeland for the Exposition of the Relics of St Francis Xavier.This is not only unfair but an insult to Goans. Many Goans and their families migrated to various countries during the Portuguese regime in search of jobs. Some of them members may have been born in Pakistan even a few during the British rule. Their origin does not change and surely they are proud of being Goans and hence are keen in visiting their native place. The NRI Commission in Goa did well in intervening and writing to the Indian High Commission that the Goans' request be granted. However, what is required from both the NRI Commission as well as the Goa government is that the central government be taught and told about the history of Goa, which they surely know but choose to ignore. Goans are not beggars seeking favours or mercy from the central government or their embassies and high commissions, whether it is for special status or visas. Goa was taken over by military force and despite promises by the then prime minister Jawaharlal Nehru, Goans were never given the right to choose their status or privileges. Both the Portuguese and the Indian governments connived to deprive the Goans even of their legitimate rights that needed to be safeguarded to avoid the situation we are in today. It is time the local government impresses upon the central government the need to look at Goa differently from what they presently perceive, since Goa's history is totally different from other states of India. Let us not create situations that are best avoided. JOSE MARIA MIRANDA, Margao COMMENTS: Thank you Jose Maria Miranda for coming out this strong to expose the 53 year old denial of the self-determination rights of GOANS by the Indian Government. Yes. Let us not create situations that are best avoided. GOANS have been slumbering over the demand for their rights for all those years. But if the Central Government thinks that Goans will remain asleep for ever, then it must think again. Goans born in Goa, Pakistan, Uganda, Kenya, Mozambique, Bombay, Delhi and anywhere else in the world are GOANS, since 1510 and earlier, who also want to say 'YES' and 'NO' in a UN sponsored REFERENDUM and feel nice about it. http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/news/3569.asp Cheers Floriano Lobo 9890470896 http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/news/3577.asp --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [Goanet] DISQUIET ABOUT THE AAM AADMI PARTY
"The other end" as Aires prefers to call it, is as effective as a sledge hammer giving the desired results without drawing BLOOD. How very appropriate unsuspecting weapon to be used to clobber the AAM AADMI, Uhm?? :-) floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Aires Rodrigues" To: "goanet" Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 5:40 AM Subject: [Goanet] DISQUIET ABOUT THE AAM AADMI PARTY The concern regarding the credentials and genuineness of the Aam Aadmi Party (APP) is on account of it being strategically steered and geared by some Hindu extremist *Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh* (*RSS*) pracharaks. Anna Hazare wears the Gandhi cap at all times. In contrast some of these AAP decoys seem to be wearing it only to draw public glare. We even see Arvind Kejriwal now wearing that cap less frequently. Is it because they are indeed more comfortable with the saffron scarf? With the very crucial Lok Sabha elections just round the corner the hidden agenda will soon be all out in the open. While the broom may sweep out some of the old timers, the other end may soon be used to whip the common man. Aires Rodrigues T1 - B30, Ribandar Retreat Ribandar - Goa - 403006 Mobile: 9822684372
Re: [Goanet] Christian strongly condemns interference by the Church inthe Lok Sabha election
In view of the 'formative' policy of the Goa Su-Raj Party that 'Politics' must not mix with 'Religion', this party endorses the press release Issued by R.L. Francis, President, PCLM dalitchristian.org. However, the Church, as an institution, has the right to interact with political parties/governments to claim the rights for itself/subscribers which are guaranteed under the Constitution of a democratic and secular nation, India. Nothing more, nothing less. floriano lobo Gen. Secretary 9890470896 - Original Message - From: "Dr. U. G. Barad" To: Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 8:06 AM Subject: [Goanet] Christian strongly condemns interference by the Church inthe Lok Sabha election I feel this was required to be done long back.. May be your views are different..but before you punch in keys please read the article by clicking the link provided here below: http://www.free-press-release.com/news/200903/1238154067.html Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad India, Republic of (Press Release) March 27, 2009 -- Five Points Election Demand by Dalit Christians New Delhi: March 27, 2009:- The Poor Christian Liberation Movement (PCLM) strongly condemns interference by the Church in the Lok Sabha election process by declaring that it will field Church candidates. It urges all the political parties to take note of the statement issued by the Kerala Bishop's. The PCLM is shocked at the statement and demands that the election commission should issue show cause notice in this matter. The PCLM makes the following demands to the political parties: * In view of lot of controversy on conversion the PCLM urges the political parties to commit to bring an all India level Freedom of Religion Bill to check fraudulent and allurement conversion. All political parties must make their stand clear on this point before the elections. * That the political parties in India should include formation of a Waqf like board for the protection of mission property of heritage nature in India. source: FPR * The PCLM urges that no ordained priest or nun should be appointed member of a government commission. Instead lay Christian must be appointed in such bodies. Currently the bishops are appointed by the Vatican and can be removed by the Vatican only. The local bodies or Christians have no say in it. This is undemocratic process. This must be changed. * Several reports have indicated that large section of poor Christians of Dalit and tribal backgrounds are still suffering from the discrimination, outside and within the Church. So the PCLM demands that a development board for financial and social upliftment of Christians be formed after the elections. The political parties in their manifestoes must indicate their position on this issue. * The Church in India owns large number of educational and health institutions under minority status. The Church is demanding reservation from the Government for the Dalit Christians .The PCLM demands that the Church must reserve 60 per cent of jobs for the poor Christians in the Christian institutions. It further urges the political parties that in case in any Christian institution the number of Christian's beneficiaries are less than 50 percent the minority status of such institutions should be cancelled and it must be put "other Charitable Institutions" category. It has been observed that some individuals are secretly negotiating with the political parties on behalf of the community. The PCLM wants such elements to refrains from nefarious activities. Issued by R.L. Francis, President, PCLM dalitchristian.org
Re: [Goanet] Scandal at Goa University - Bare Facts from AgostinhoProenca
Thank you JC. I am aware ( I live in Goa and I do have a political ear to the ground... you know?? thing) that our dear Goa University is a hot-bed of political wheelings and dealings and not a 'temple of learning' as it should be. And this sexual harrassment thing which has culminated from the 'ragging' thing is believed to be a ploy to get the ragging affair neutralised. It is my belief that there are really very worthy 'bad elements' involved in the ragging ( as well as deliberate class-room disturbances) case and therefore the intriguing sex-plot. That is why I have demanded that an unbiased, high level investigation into this unholy mess with politicians of all sorts kept very much out, including the undersigned. I say that Aureliano Fernandes, HOD of Political Science is a good friend of mine. I know that he has voted for me (one of the 207 votes I collected in the Taleigao by-elections in 2005). But I will want to see him fried (well-done too) if he is involved in this sexual harrassment case. But the verdict must come from a highly unbiased, reliable and accepted morally upright sources restricting themselves to the evidence at hand and depositions made . Otherwise there is bound to be a good deal of trouble for the Goa Uninersity and those who are involved in this masquerade. I can only promise you that. BECAUSE, apart from all the administrative innovations that goasuraj stands for, the EDUCATION system in the state of Goa is its prime concern and every iota of goasuraj's efforts will go into re-shaping, improving, modernizing and making the EDUCATION System in Goa one of the best in the WORLD. And this has been spelt out in GOASURAJ'S ROAD MAP FOR GOA. Therefore, impasses like these shall not be tolerated and snuffed out in the bud. B/rgds floriano gsrp - Original Message - From: "J. Colaco < jc>" To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Scandal at Goa University - Bare Facts from AgostinhoProenca FLORIANO LOBO wrote: I fail to understand why Manohar Parrikar had to be involved in the first place in the affairs of the University. Were there no other 'non-political' personages in Goa who could be approached to look into this matter?? I have filed an RTI application asking for the relevant details of the 'sexual' as well as 'ragging' encounters.. and I will want this entire thing to be thoroughly investigated, impartially, at the highest level, without any political ..influence whatsoever and the culprits brought to book irrespective (of who it is) == My dear Florianobab, When I first saw the AGOSTINHO PROENÇA note on GoaNet, I thought "Not again". However, I held back my thoughts on the matter as there were too many gaps and much vagueness in the PROENÇA post, and he declared himself unavailable for further interaction - which was kind of unfortunate. I applaud you for your very appropriate stand & action you have taken
Re: [Goanet] cancer free for the last 25 years
Welcome to the Survivor's Club, Viv floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "viviana" While we're on the subject - I, too, am a cancer survivor - 29 years and ounting - Viviana
Re: [Goanet] Picketing the Revolution: 'Their' Revolution, Our Democracy and a Fascist Imagination - Floriano on NAGUESH KARMALI
- Original Message - From: "goasuraj" To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] The opposition from the Freedom Fighters And what do the freedom fighters got to show us Goans rather than collecting their pension cheques , asking for govt jobs for their next of kins, and blackening of Portuguese road name plaques? and showing-off their huge ignorance about the modern world with their canned brains with the hate for the Portuguese, where Portuguese themselves were the victims? These ilk of Goa's spurious freedom fighters should be banished from the Goan soil once and for all. We shall do it if given half a chance (goasuraj) One of them is Naguesh Karmali. I have personally openly challenged his holding the directorship of TB Cunha Institution in Panjim (where he was present) and have suggested that he be thrown out since he was a blot on TB Cunha's face because he was the mastermind of the Fontainhas mess-up. He had no guts to respond to my charges. And this darpook has fought for GOA??? when he could not defend himself in his own house? I understand Sam talking in favour of FFs because he is the son of the FF. But Goa needs to cull real FFs from the fake ones ( like Karmali) and denude them of all the past privileges given at the cost of us, the tax payers. GOA will have and will maintain good relations with Portugal whether these blind, closed, senile so called Goa's Freedom fighters like it or not. The onus is on the real FFs (if they exist) to salvage their honour by de-associating themselves from these loud mouth pariahs. Note: Maria Aurora Couto was present at the TB Cunha Hall when I tore Karmali to pieces publicly. Her article appears on this week's 'NT Panorama captioned "GOA & PORTUGAL -- Looking Ahead ". Goans must read this to know and recognize the closed mindset of the pariah FFs who make placard noises to authenticate their pensions. And when Sam asks: "Does Portugal count in today's world first of all ?" my qualified response is 'Yes' very much and any time, face to face with today's India whose leadership has no backbone to stop innocent people getting killed, injured, maimed, burnt alive and their houses destroyed by the BJP-Shiv Sena sheltered thugs running amok. Look at what Khuswant Singh has to say about these leaders in his piece on the NT Panorama (today's) captioned 'Goonda Raj' For Sam's information His and My India is today a mess called SHAME, reduced to this status by pea-brained peacocks strutting in high positions with their back-sides open to show no substance :-)) This includes Manmohan Singh and Sonia Aunty. floriano goasuraj 9890470896 - Original Message - From: "Samir Kelekar" To: Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 10:57 PM Subject: [Goanet] The opposition from the Freedom Fighters Portuguese slave oops citizen Paulo Colaco Dias writes some good things about democracy, but then he calls freedom fighters who opposed this so called "celebration" fake. Would anyone in their sane minds celebrate their mother's rape ? That is what happened to us 450 years back, but perverse mentalities have sprung up celebrating such rape nowadays. Naguesh Karmali gave most of his young life for Goa's freedom. Digambar Kamat and his corrupt cronies are now reaping the fruit. And activitist are hiding away when elections come near. And the Jose Colacos are dancing their kathakalis sucking up to Portugal. Does Portugal count in today's world first of all ? I mean other than wine and football what do they have to show regards, Samir - Original Message - From: "Jason Keith Fernandes" To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:24 AM Subject: [Goanet] Picketing the Revolution: 'Their' Revolution,Our Democracy and a Fascist Imagination Picketing the Revolution: 'Their' Revolution, Our Democracy and a Fascist Imagination<http://dervishnotes.blogspot.com/2009/04/picketing-revolution-their-revolution.html> Portugal’s Carnation Revolution was a significant moment in global history because it marked the simultaneous liberation of both colonizers and colonized from dictatorial power. With the fall of the Salazarist regime, the Portuguese people were able to move into a system of democratic governance. At the same time the African colonies of Portugal saw a halt to the Portuguese colonial wars and were born into independent sovereign existence. For India the fall of the Salazarist regime saw Portugal recognize India’s claims over Goa. There is very little to protest therefore, at least from an Indian nationalist and standard anti-colonialist point of view. It was for these reasons that the presence of a screamin
Re: [Goanet] Goans worst racists?
Bernado is very right. Ulla does not know what she is talking about. Or she is mixing issues. One must know what is racism in the first place. Will Sweden allow immigrants to do what they want and how they want?. Does the Swedish government survive on the immigrant's vote? These things have been happening in Goa to the detriment of Goa and Goans. Our Goan political class has become prostitutes, cultivating these migrant votebanks for their survival and in the bargain Goa is put on the death bed Goans need the migrants labour, and there is no doubt about that for Goa does not have the labour class any more. But that does not mean that migrants should be welcomed to integrate in the Goan society and willingly allowed to vote and choose the government in Goa for the Goans. Let Ulla go to any of the major towns and cities or the market places in Goa and try ask for directions in Konkani. Some people say 'So what'? Mumbai is full of outsiders. But one must realise that Mumbai is not Maharashtra. One must go outside Mumbai to see that Maharashtra is Maharashtra. It is not the same with Goa. Goa is practically a 'one city' state. You allow Goa to be loaded without strict 'policies' to safe-guard Goan Identity, then Goa and Goans are surely lost forever. What concerned Goans are protesting is that migrants should not get voting rights in GOA as easily as it is available today. Let them come to Goa to find work ( Goa is become the Dubai for the migrants) but not be allowed to become Goans overnight. floriano goasuraj 9890470896 - Original Message - From: "Bernado Colaco" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 6:41 AM Subject: [Goanet] Goan racist? I think Goan people are over tolerant and gullible. Therefore we allowed the ghantis a safe haven to alleviate their poverty. Today we are overun by this race. Goans have to pardon Ulla for her historical and politcal ignorance. Thanks for calling us racists. We are the Goan raca. BC - Original Message - From: "Goa's Pride www.goa-world.com" To: "Goanet" Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:50 AM Subject: [Goanet] Goans worst racists? Goans worst racists? Daily we read in the newspapers about incidents of racism. We think that racist acts are committed only by white men only. Indians (Goans) in Europe, Canada, USA, etc are called "Pakis" and other racist words. What about Goans? I was born and brought up in Sweden and have been married to a Goan for the last 35 years. We have been settled in Goa for the last 13 years, and I have never experienced such racism as in Goa. I am sure that nowhere in the world is racism as accepted as in Goa.
Re: [Goanet] Why good people never get elected - COMMENTS
;good intensions'. And we see a monumental amount of 'bad' being done all around us partly because 'good' intensions were not applauded and commended enough and partly because 'bad' intensions were not challenged at source -- the 'Amkam Kiteak Podlam' syndrome. It is the tax payer's money, mine and yours which is being grossly mismanaged. And we have allowed this without even feeble protests thereby emboldening 'bad intensions'. People basically believe that 'activists' should remain activists. Qualifying them into politicians will blunt their sharp fighting edges. Christopher and Matanhy are examples of being excellent activists. But the moment they go to the people to qualify them as politicians, there is this 'no' 'no' business. If this is not true then we must analyze this factual example. Sebastian Rodrigues, the 'naxalite' branded anti-mining activist who is equally feared and hated by the mining lobbies and politicians alike. During the run up to the Pale (mining belt in North Goa) by-elections recently, I decided to put my above theory about activists not qualifying to be politicians to test by offering Sebastian Rodrigues the 'goasuraj' ticket to contest the Pale by-elections, he being the party's life member. He willingly accepted. But the people in the mining belts he is helping out through agitations and which agitations the mining lobbies, politicians and the police are trying to violently clamp-down upon felt jittery at the prospects of supporting him for the Assembly, telling/advising him that he was too young, that they will lose him etc etc, exactly what I had told Sebastian will happen. The 15th. Lok Sabha results on 16th. May, 2009 will probably prove me right once again vis a vis Christopher Fonseca and Matanhy Saldanha. The contrary, as with Churchill Alemao.. Mickey Pacheco et al is happening because this breed is capable of mobilizing a lot of money into the system towards becoming popular, whether it is hard-earned or extorted money hardly makes any difference. Not only the lower echelons of the people fall for it but also the highest, educated, ethically and morally sound, even the tormented. The saying that when the elephant walks, the ant better stand to the side and sing praises, if it does not want to get crushed to death, is true in this case. The editor cannot be faulted for saying what he has said, i.e. "Politics is the art in doing what is possible, not what is correct,. It is the art of gauging the interest of the people and then going with the flow even if it means compromising on one's personal ethics." If King Solomon had to follow this modern rule, ethics would have died a natural death a long time ago. But thankfully, King Solomon did not go for the DNA testing of the child in question when two mothers were claiming it to be their own, but ordered his soldier to cut the child into two halves and give each to the two dear mothers, thereby solving the problem. Ethics will always remain part and parcel of delivering 'good governance' and interests of the people will have to be addressed within the ethical ambit. In modern day politics the word 'YES' is directly linked to the 'vote' and therefore the word 'NO' has vanished from the political dictionary. The end users aka the people not understanding and/or respecting the role of 'ethics' in governance has invented the modern day 'political philosophy' of digging one's own grave where its occupancy is ensured sooner than later. As far as winning elections is concerned, it is an entire gamut of election engineering which cannot be waived even in the case if Jesus or Ram of Prophet Mohamed were to contest modern day elections for that matter. If the grass-root movement is missing, even these icons would lose elections miserably. The election engineering dictates that each and every polling booth in a constituency delivers the minimum average votes required for a positive overall results. Leaving it to the so called 'good candidate' to marshal this requirement on his own, even if the said candidate is a 'hallowed' one, will bring in humiliating results. Therefore, the need of the hour is the soundness of net-working by the end-users [voters] who want to derive maximum benefits to themselves through getting their candidate past the post. I have demonstrated this to the Aldonkars when I contested 2007 Assembly Elections from Aldona. "Imagin that I am standing on this beautiful, rupees 24 crores built, 6 crores worth, Corjuem Bridge", I had told them. "If I jump, I can easily swim to the distant Assembly Complex in Porvorim. But I have no wish of jumping on my own. Instead, I want you all to get behind me and push me and then leave me to do the rest". Sadly, there were
[Goanet] Good News AHOY !
Dear Goans Voters, Those of you who will not want to go to vote on 23rd. April, 2009 for want of better and acceptable candidates to vote for, and more importantly, better and acceptable political ideologies of political parties based on 'good governance' , have an added incentive in this elections to sweat it out in long, serpentine queues to discharge your obligations of exercising your franchise, a birth right which is denied to millions of people and who earn for, even by sacrificing their lives to get it. Remember what they say at 'Jago Re'? You are sleeping if you do not vote??. It has been confirmed by the Election Commission (Goa) that Section 49(O) of the Constitution 'NONE OF THE ABOVE' can be availed of in any/all polling booths by anyone who wants to exercise this right to CAST A NEGATIVE VOTE. To do this, one has to go through the procedure to identify oneself at the polling booth, have his/her finger marked and then, not to proceed to the voting machine but tell the polling officer that s/he wants to vote negative. The voter will be taken aside, asked to sign the special register kept at the polling booth with details recorded of the voter and this vote will be included in the total tally of polled votes , BUT AS NEGATIVE VOTE. CAUTION: If the person wanting to cast a negative vote proceeds to the voting machine, the polling officer is bound to enable the machine. Once enabled, if the voter says s/he does not want to vote, then the machine has to be shut down and re-started, thereby losing precious time. (First hand info says aprox 15 minutes will be lost). Hopefully, the Election Commission envisages this difficulty and puts up informative boards around every polling booth to list this procedure in order not to waste precious time. I am thrilled to the extent that I cannot wait to exercise my 'NEGATIVE VOTE. I am going to celebrate in more ways than one after I have voted NEGATIVE for the first time. I guess, the negative vote register will be swelling with these invaluable entries come 23rd. April, 2009 We, the sensitive voters, who have long since been demanding worthwhile, diligent candidates from worthwhile, diligent political parties have atlast got our prayers answered. Political parties beware! You will not be able to take your voters for granted any more by giving them third-rate candidates, befitting your party's third rate ideologies or no ideologies at all, but in pursuance of vote-bank politics for personal enrichment and thereby causing destruction of Goa and Goans. Cheers floriano goasuraj PS: The reason I shall vote NEGATIVE. My vote is, under the normal circumstances, expected to go for the 'clock' [NCP], since I shall be voting in the North [Panjim Parliamentary Constituency] and since I do not subscribe to the BJP or MGP or CPI ideology. More importantly because I do not want LK Advani as India's Premier, a person who should be a candidate for the Tihar Jail. But I shall vote NEGATIVE for the following reasons:- 1. NCP candidate will espouse his party ideology which is 'for' Mining in Goa with mine owners heavily subscribing /financing these elections. 2. To protest against draining of Goa's ground water resources through draining of mining pits into the Mandovi river. 3. To protest against the destruction of agricultural fields through mining rejects siltation. 4. To protest against illegal mining. 5. To protest against non-containment of legal mining, thereby causing destruction of our forests. 6. To protest against MOEF stamping NOCs and clearances to mining in Goa left right and center without a thought for Goa's ecology and environment. 7. And many others which will take days to list here, therefore I stop as I have made my point clear.
Re: [Goanet] Is Mathany communal ?
I browsed thro' Matanhy's Web/Blog and I registered my comments which go some what like this: Dear Matanhy, I notice that something important is missing in your bio-data. Were you not one of the founding members of the 'GOMANT LOK POXH'? Why should something important like this be missing from your biodata? It is my wish that you should win and represent Goa in the National Parliament. With UPA, NDA and the TF in power-play it is inevitable that none of the above players will get absolute majority. UPA-TF or NDA-TF will be asked to prove majority. Considering your chronic hate of the Congress, how will you vote if UPA/NDA is asked to prove strenght in the house? Will you vote for UPA and Manmohan Singh or NDA and LK Advani. I would like to know because I, and therefore, goasuraj, considers LK Advani more of a candidate for Tihar jail rather than for the prestigious PM's chair. floriano goasuraj PS: I am not sure if my (above) comments have been registered online on Matanhy's blog. - Original Message - From: "Valmiki Faleiro" To: "Goanet" Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 6:15 AM Subject: [Goanet] Goodbye Goa: HERALD(Goa), Apr 19, 2009 GOODBYE GOA By Valmiki Faleiro In South Goa, you're luckier. You have one for the former, and a choice of two for the latter! - Original Message - From: "Samir Kelekar" To: Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 11:38 AM Subject: [Goanet] Is Mathany communal ? I am amused to read Goan Observer and now Valmiki Faleiro hinting at Mathany's fondness towards BJP. The question that needs to be answered is --- is Mathany communal ? Mathany did side with BJP as against the Congress. When asked why, Mathany feels that the Congress are worse looters than the BJP in Goa. He is definitely right. Mathany sided with Parrikar because he was impressed by Parrikar's management skills. Each one has his own views. But it is important to know that unlike Babush and Digambar, Mathany did not join BJP. He maintained his independence. If Mathany gets elected, will he support BJP or Congress ? Mathany has made the following clear in the Herald interview yesterday. That he will give support to anyone who has the good of Goa in their heart and in the policies. I think today as far as we Goans are concerned, stopping the selling of Goa and the loot that is going on is the most important issue. Sure dirty communalism can spring its head up anytime. But, I am sure we can trust Mathany not to side with Modi's version of politics. samir -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.12.0/2065 - Release Date: 4/17/2009 5:52 PM
Re: [Goanet] Vote for Mathany Saldanha
*“I don’t want to get involved in politics”* Dear Arwin, What axactly are you trying to tell GOANs by the above?? -We know that you have not filed your nomination papers for the 15th Lok Sabha Elections. -We know that you are not actively campaignning for Congress or BJP or UGDP etc. -We know too that you are not in Goa presently where the election fever is hotting up. -We know that you have been very very vocal about Goa's politics and Goa's politicians for far too long. And yet you prefer to tell us that you don't want to get involved in politics !! Pray what is it that you have been talking about for so long and doing so now, if it is not politics??? Or is it some kind of a 'bangra dance?? Please do not get me wrong here. I am not critiking you. All I am saying is that your line above is sending wrong signals to Goans who always but always have been comfortable to be 'ARMCHAIR POLITICIANS' whose 'APOLITICALITY' has done almost irreversible damage to Goa's fabric that you have been talking about for so long. I don't think Goans who are concerned and worried about Goa's well-being can afford to say *“I don’t want to get involved in politics”* They have to. There is no other alternative. Each and every one of us Goans must imparatively get INVOLVED IN GOA'S POLITICS if we want to SAVE GOA from the circling VULTURES. B/rgds floriano goasuraj PS: Your advice to South Goans to vote for Matanhy is fine. I too want them to vote for him. But not unless and untill Matanhy comes clear how he will vote incase he wins from South Goa: (Manmohan Singh Or TF candidate or L.K. Advani). If Matanhy's choice is LK Advani, then I will shout from the roof-tops to advise South Goans to give a wide berth to Matanhy and to vote for Sardinha instead. Period. We must start by saving 'India' if we want 'Goa saved'. - Original Message - From: "Arwin Mesquita" To: "Goanet" Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 9:43 AM Subject: [Goanet] Vote for Mathany Saldanha It is high time we Goans re-think our negative political attitude. Like it or not, our influence is critical for the survival of Goa & Goans. The mindset *“I don’t want to get involved in politics”* is only helping Goa’s enemies, as we give them a free hand to do whatever they want, for their corrupt interests. Let’s at least support specific candidates on issue basis only and change them if they don’t deliver. Yes, we have apprehensions about politicians but surely we can manage them wisely, to get our objectives done!! For instance, on the contestants for the South Goa Lok Sabha seat; I appreciate what critics say, but I still think that Mathany Saldanha is far better than the rest i.e. (1) Historically he is the only one who was the most vocal of the candidates, against various anti-goan initiatives e.g. SEZ’s, Draconian Regional Plan etc (2) His party manifesto is the most detailed & comprehensive vs. all others, on not only the need, but also on the ways to protect/preserve Goa & its identity. (3) We have given so many chances to the others and they have clearly let Goans down; so let us now change and give a chance to someone new!! (4) Other politicians falsely malign Mathany, by linking him to the so called communal elements; those very politicians tasted power by aligning themselves, with very elements that they now call “communal”. (5) Worst Case, even if Mathany is elected and does nothing; by just electing him we can send a strong message to the national parties that Goans cannot be taken for granted and it’s high time they start putting in measures to protect Goa, its identity and stop the destruction of our beautiful land. Goans please act before it is too late!! Arwin Mesquita (UAE)
Re: [Goanet] Sonia Gandhi's Deceitful Campaign
Remembering Aquino Braganca (b. 6 April 1924), who fought for freedom of the former Portuguese colonies in Africa. An online tribute http://aquinobraganca.wordpress.com/ (includes many historical references, some photographs and documents) Well said, Eugene. Appreciate Happy Easter floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Eugene Correia" To: Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Sonia Gandhi's Deceitful Campaign A couple of corrections. It belies the ignorance of political ignorance. --- The above line should have been "It belies the ignorance of political gamemanship." --- Selfish politicians in Goa have made hay. Name one polticians who has not made enough money for himself and, at least, for his close family members and close associates. --- Instead of "enough" I should have used "big" money. --- Let me further add, the compulsions of Goan politics makes it important for the polticians to play the game to their own benefits. Even the former fierce fighter for the fishermen's rights and livelihood as I knew him then, Mathany Saldanha, underwent sea-change in his approach and temperament to crucial issues affecting the lives of the ordinary Goans once he became a minister. IWasn't the Meta-Strips case a test of Mathany's credibility? We know of Sardinha's innings as a Goa minister, then Chief Minister, and the famous marks scandal. Most ministers are tainted and carry the liability of "destroying" Goa, if I may be a bit careless in using the word, but, at the same time, "preserving" their hold on their constituents and also "adding" to his or her personal fortunes. If one could get a Churchill Alemao elected to the Parliament, what more can one expect of the Goan electorate? Putting a bull in a china shop is what the Goan voters capable of? Sardinha's innings in New Delhi is perhaps a bit better than Churchill's ever was, except that "niz" or misquided Goans hail him for speaking out in the august house in Konkani. It was a populist gesture, though I would prefer Churchill to speak in Konkani instead of English on every occasion he is called upon to take on the microphone. The Goan voter should weigh the pros and cons of each party becausing casting his or her vote. As much as a Pontius Pilate asked, "what is truth?", which I am reminded of at the end of the Lenten season on this glorious easter day, we could all ask, "Who is the true politician that can be trusted?? On this Easter day, the Goan consciousness should rise above petty politics. Goans must rise unitedly to fight the forces of political chauvinism and exploitation. As well, there should be an awakening in the Goan politician's heart so that he could serve the people without monetary rewards. Let the Risen Lord shine light on the electorate and the politicians. Only then perhaps Goa would not be "destroyed.' Eugene
Re: [Goanet] Vote for Mathany Saldanha
Remembering Aquino Braganca (b. 6 April 1924), who fought for freedom of the former Portuguese colonies in Africa. An online tribute http://aquinobraganca.wordpress.com/ (includes many historical references, some photographs and documents) The Goa Su-Raj Party fully endorse and overwhelmingly support what Beny Perreira has said. If this party would want to do a support write-up and/or an appeal to Goans, exhorting them to vote for any person in the Mormugao Constituency in this 15th Lok Sabha Elections on 23rd April, 2009, it would be for Matanhy Saldanha. And the appeal would not be any different from what Beny Perreira has made. In fact, we at Goa Su-Raj Party adopt the same as ours with due appreciation and salutes to the author. This Party's thinking is on the following lines. 1. That the Bharatiya Janata Party must, lock stock and barrel, transfer its vote-bank account in favour of Matanhy Saldanha for the reasons that:- (a) Goa BJP will never win this seat in South Goa. (b) Goa BJP will have made it easy for the Congress to win with the three pronged fight. (c) Goa BJP will be wrong to understand that the division of secular votes will seal its win. 2. That the Goa BJP must be happy to see Congress defeated, and must infact work for the deafeat of its candidate Shri. Francisco Sardinha. We say this for the following reasons:- (a) During Taleigao's by-elections in 2005, the BJP could have defeated Babush Monserrate (if it sincerely wanted to) by massively supporting the third candidate in the fray which was the candidate fielded by the Goa Su-Raj Party. In fact this was communicated to Goa BJP, more specifically Manohar Parrikar. But Goa BJP did not heed to this advice. It was important for Goa to defeat Babush at that time especially when it was his aim to get elected unopposed, and it would be spared a lot of heartaches. Goa Su-Raj Party believes that Goa BJP and Babush Monserrate were only enemies from the outside but close friends from the inside and still are. (b) During Elections 2007, it was the repeat of the Taleigao's affair, where Dayanand Narvekar could have been easily defeated by the BJP not fielding its candidate and again supporting the candidate fielded by this party. It will be a curious thing to note that Dayanand Narvekar collected almost the same number of votes he had collected in the previous [2002] elections. In this instance, Shri. Shripad Naik as the president of the BJP toyed with the idea for 15 odd days and succumbed to the party ideology to give the win to Dayanand Narvekar instead. 3. The battle facing the 15th Lok Sabha Elections is whether the nation is to be handed over in the hands of L.K. Advani and the BJP which is proven COMMUNAL to the core, OR in the hands of Dr. Manmohan Singh or any other secular person of the third front. And we believe the later option must be signed, sealed and delivered if we want to see the good of the nation. And, it is HOPED that Matanhy Saldanha, with all his pent-up hatred for the Congress, which is fully justified, will not vote with the communal BJP to install L.K. Advani on the chair of the Prime Minister if he wins, afterall (if it comes to brass tacts where a single vote will be most precious) That would be a huge let-down for Goa and Goans. 4. IMPORTANTLY, somebody must ask the above question of Matanhy Saldanha so that he is on record. Goa Su-Raj Party will certainly do so, at the appropriate time. floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Beny Pereira" To: Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 1:38 PM Subject: [Goanet] Vote for Mathany Saldanha Dear Voters of South Goa, I am expat in Dubai would like to humbly request the electorate in Goa to kindly vote for Mathany Saldanha in the forthcoming elections. At least we have a man who has fought and is still fighting for the causes that are dear to GOA and GOANS. His one seat may not alter any equations in Delhi but it means a lot for us Goans. The Congress and the BJP are two sides of a coin Either of them will have a say in the coming govt. But with Mathany we have a voice which will atleast be noticed and not bulldozed like how the present congress govt is doing in all spheres. I am not bothered whether UGDP is alive or not. Sardinha has not done anything worthwhile except introduce the bull fight bill knowing very well that it will go to the dust bin. We have more issues dear to us than bull fights. I am happy that the state assembly has passed some legislation in this regards courtesy Lourenco. We have a coterie of robbers in Congressman who you can see are fighting for the thirty pieces of silver. Right from t
Re: [Goanet] Sardinha's record as CM
Remembering Aquino Braganca (b. 6 April 1924), who fought for freedom of the former Portuguese colonies in Africa. An online tribute http://aquinobraganca.wordpress.com/ (includes many historical references, some photographs and documents) Sardinha was responsible for the Meta Strips fiasco ( for allowing it). It is believed that he has received special treats from Jindals ( Meta Owners) including a very expensive diamond bracelet personally tied into the fair hand of Mrs. Sardinha by Jindal himself at his health farm in Banagalore where Sardinhas were the honoured guests. Confirmations of the above may be obtained from valid sources. floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Samir Kelekar" To: Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 11:18 AM Subject: [Goanet] Sardinha's record as CM Does anyone have news items during Sardinha's tenure as CM so that we can see what his achievements and misdeeds were ? I tried to go through the Goanet archives but not much seems to be there before 2003. I remember a few things --- there was this bond issue which was thought of as a big scam. Of course, Parrikar back stabbed him when he went to Australia on govt. money is a well-known story. regards, Samir
Re: [Goanet] PEOPLES' MANIFESTO FOR POLITICIANS - NT 6 APRIL 2009 [ PG 9] - COMMENTS
Remembering Aquino Braganca (b. 6 April 1924), who fought for freedom of the former Portuguese colonies in Africa. An online tribute http://aquinobraganca.wordpress.com/ (includes many historical references, some photographs and documents) PEOPLES' MANIFESTO FOR POLITICIANS NT - 6 April, 2009 Agencies/Lucknow- Fed up with manifestos of various political parties ignoring regional issues, the people of drought-hit Bundelkhand region have prepared their own election manifesto and are pressing candidates in the fray to follow it up if they want their support. "We have prepared a 'peoples' manifesto' after meeting over 6000 persons spread in five assembly seats - Hamirpur, Raath, Tindwari, Mahoba and Charkhari and are pressing candidates of different political parties to follow it. The manifesto has been prepared after analyzing the need of the people of the region" the convener of the public campaign, Mr. DP Gupta said. "This manifesto is compilation of what people said during the survey conducted by us in January -February. And those who read it are welcoming the move and even voters here want this to be followed by political parties" he said. About the demands in the manifesto, Mr. Gupta said that due to droughts the region was backward and needed proper drinking water and irrigational facilities besides free education for all girls and boys up to class 12, setting up of a medical, engineering colleges and a university in the district. "As a result, issues which really concern the people are overlooked. Like areas covered under Hamirpur constituency are not covered by railway network even after 60 years of independence. It is a big issue for the local people, but it does not figure in the manifesto of the political parties," he said. Similarly, they have demanded that employment opportunities be provided to the people of the area so as to check large-scale migration. "Political parties cannot force their own manifestos on voters now. We elect our representative and they should take care of our demands and follow our manifesto", Mr Harish Kumar, a local resident of Hamirpur, who was involved in the process of preparing the manifesto, said. The manifesto is being circulated among the candidates in a bid to pressurize them to incorporate local issues in their agenda. COMMENTS The Goa Su-Raj Party set out in the year 2000 to compile 'Peoples' Manifesto' for entire GOA as against each of the 40 Constituencies, in the understanding that GOA cannot be developed as according to the whims and fancies of the elected representatives or the people of the Constituencies, since GOA has to be looked at as the integral part of the wholesome planning process. This manifesto was released on August 20, 2005 on the auspicious occasion of the celebration of the World Goa Day across the world in the form of a booklet called "The Road Map For Goa". The party has found no more need to prepare spot manifestoes at every election time since this exercise is seen as 'wanting' and a way to fool the people all the time with selective pre-planned agendas which lead nowhere. GOA has to take the cue from these UP people, more so when this party did attempt to make the people of GOA aware that the peoples' manifesto was needed to be developed as according to the wants and needs of the people of GOA through 'CITIZENS' [OF GOA] INITIATIVE'. However, this attempt has received no response at all from any quarters, especially from the the various NGOs who are seen in the forefront of fighting injustices galore. In view of the party's permanent manifesto -- THE ROAD MAP FOR GOA - we at goasuraj believe that nothing more needs to be done in terms of conserving energy and time as this peoples' manifesto is the monumental work of dedicated and committed GOANS which is ready to be put on the track right away, by not bothering to worry if there will be takers, by fielding their own candidates who will support the manfesto in a fool-proof manner without diverging to accommodate other selfish agendas once elected. This exercise is vital for SAVING GOA during the next Assembly Elections slated for 2012, but which could be declared anytime from now, and which elections, by all manner of imagination, could the the last local Assembly Elections offering GOANS the 'God Sent' opportunity to SAVE their GOA and its IDENTITY. Good humouredly, Goans need not feel 'COLD SHIVERS' running down their SPINES at the thought of what their GOA is going to become after Elections 2012, when they can take the corrective measures right away - NOW. Surely, the good people of GOA do not intend MISSING THE BUS? floriano lobo goasuraj ---
Re: [Goanet] Congress might NOT WIN 100 seats in the forthcomingLok Sabha elections - Manohar Parrikar
Remembering Aquino Braganca (b. 6 April 1924), who fought for freedom of the former Portuguese colonies in Africa. An online tribute http://aquinobraganca.wordpress.com/ (includes many historical references, some photographs and documents) Neutral and eagle-eyed political pundits have predicted that the BJP will not cross 110-120 seats max for the 15th Lok Sabha Elections. Now therefore, Manohar Parrikar [Menorah Paprika?] or whoever, working for the defence of the BJP will have to come to the number for the Congress which is below the above. This is kid stuff where one kid calls the other 'tum pisso', the other retaliates to say 'Tum pixeacho Pai' Frankly, after Ram Sena, Orissa, Mangalore et al, I think what the neutral political pundits have predicted will come about. More so because Advani, who is infact the candidate for the TIHAR JAIL is the Prime Ministerial Candidate. Do I need to say more? When Manmohan Singh pulled-up Advani for Babri Masjid, Genocide in Gujarat et al, he retaliated calling Manmohan Singh "Maine bahut Pradhan Mantri dekhe haim, Magar itna kamjor pradhan mantri kabhi nahim dekha". [I have seen many prime ministers in my time but I have not seen such a weak one like Manmohan Singh] Manmohan Singhji, why were you not on the Babri Masjid dome with a crow-bar? Or you should have been torching the STAINE'S BBQ. Only then you would be the strongest PM in Advani's eyes. :-) There is a limit to being a hypocrite. And this hypocrite we want to see sitting on our Nation's august chair? NEVER, NEVER, NEVER NAHIM, NAHIM, NAHIM, NIET, NIET, NIET, NUNCA, NUNCA, NUNCA. NA, NA, NA - KEDNANCH NA. My most sincerest advice to my brother and sister citizens of INDIA. Forget everything. This time the vote must be for just one thing. ' AGAINST ADVANI ' and against whosoever is for ADVANI. Let us be clear in our intelligent minds. This master criminal is going to take India only down, down and down. floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "J. Colaco < jc>" To: ; "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Congress might NOT WIN 100 seats in the forthcomingLok Sabha elections - Manohar Parrikar This is something which can be reviewed after the general election results are announced. Was Manohar Parrikar making an honest assessment? Was he making a wild speculation? Was he just giving a pep-talk common during silly season? Here is my prediction for Goa 1: All sorts of wild claims and allegation will fly 2: The hapless masses will get physical with their political opponents (even as the politicians themselves will be working out deals among each other) 3: People will vote 4: Results will be announced 5: Then the real 'elections' will commence 6: He who provides the biggest "incentive" - will climb into the chair. 7: Those who jump ship - will be doing so - in the "interest of Goa" 8: The drama will go on 9: A major politician in Goa will call it quits. 10: The de-forestation and 'filthification' et al of Goa will continue unabated jc
Re: [Goanet] UGDP's Candidate for LS Elections
Goans (especially the catholics) should use this to substitute the good old 'rosary' with these new beads to do the lenten penance Very well done indeed, Freddy. floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Freddy Fernandes" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: [Goanet] UGDP's Candidate for LS Elections UGDP's Candidate for LS Elections Much has been said about the United Goans Democratic Party candidate Matanhy Saldanha's links with the BJP as at a crucial juncture of Goan politics, he showed the courage to live with his principles and took a stand against the aaya Ram, gaya Ram politics and paid for his foolhardiness. However, while everybody is talking about Matanhy's association with the BJP, shenanigans of other politicians in Goa who not only romanced but even honey-mooned with the BJP is conveniently forgotten. Just to refresh memories, let us recall our immediate past. Chief Minister of Goa Digambar Kamat who now vows by the Indian National Congress, joined the BJP when he realized that the Congress would not give him the ticket to contest from Margao. He not only became a MLA but was also a minister in the BJP supported government and subsequently, the BJP government. The only reason why he left the BJP was because the Congress offered him the Chief Ministership. The Goa Pradesh Congress Committee President, Subhash Shirodkar, was a minister in the Francisco Sardinha government that was formed with support from the BJP. The ex-MP from Mormugao Francisco Sardinha became the Chief Minister of Goa with the support of the BJP. The other two names recommended for the Congress ticket for the Lok Sabha elections from South Goa also had links with the BJP. Power Minister Aleixo Sequeira was the industries minister in the Francisco Sardinha government that was formed with BJP support. Although Valanka Alemao had no links with the BJP, her father Churchill Alemao honeymooned with the BJP for more than a fortnight first at Hotel Nova Goa at Panaji and subsequently in Delhi when within a month of Digambar Kamat taking over as chief minister of Goa, there was a move to topple him, which was initiated by Churchill Alemao and Babush Monserrate. The spokesman of Congress Ramakant Khalp who has suddenly become very voluble, was a minister twice in governments that were formed with BJP support. Of the Ministers in the present government, Ravi Naik was a member of the BJP once upon a time while Filipe Neri Rodrigues was a part of the BJP government and was even supported by the BJP at the previous elections. Babu Azgaonkar was also a member of the BJP once upon a time and very candidly admitted that he was quitting the BJP to join the Congress because of the ministerial berth. Speaker Pratapsing Rane was favoured by the BJP who allowed him to continue as a Speaker earlier and it was the BJP that actually brought Pratapsing Rane's son Vishwajit in public life when he was appointed chairman of the Goa Tourism Development Corporation when Manohar Parrikar was the Chief Minister. Among the MLAs, Francis Silveira was a minister in Francisco Sardinha's government which was formed with BJP support so also was Mauvin Godinho. Babush Monseratte was a member of the BJP and a minister in Manohar Parrikar's government and Ramkrishna alias Sudin Dhavalikar was a minister in the BJP supported government just like Victoria Fernandes. So when Matanhy is asked about his links with the BJP, shouldn't all these above named luminaries be also asked to clarify their position? It is said that one must not try to pick out a speck from another person's eyes when there is huge blotch in his own. Just food for thought Freddy Agnelo Fernandes The content of this electronic communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and any others who are specifically authorized to receive it. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or otherwise placing reliance on the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful in certain legal jurisdictions. If you have received this communication in error please notify the sender immediately by responding to this email and then delete it from your system. __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.31/2028 - Release Date: 3/28/2009 7:16 AM
[Goanet] Could the Little canary be singing for Nirmala for North???
Little canary is singing the tune of Nirmala Sawant getting the NCP ticket for North Goa. We shall have to wait and watch. floriano goasuraj
Re: [Goanet] Taleigao Loss
Dear Arwin, If you have not gone through the article on Taleigao Panchayat Elections by Pradeep Padgaonkar (Analysis) of Goan Observer [March 28- April 3, 2009.], please do. Excerpts: Quote =A few like-minded people who know and understand Babush's future plans, realised that their whole village would turn concrete and no vacant land would be seen, thus destroying the ecological balance of the village. They tried to create a momentum for the election. Alas! They were not greeted by their own members of the Taleigao Bachao Abhiyan. Anand Madgavkar preferred to keep away from participating in the election process under the banner of Taleigao Bachao Abhiyan stating that theirs was an 'apolitical' Organisation=Unquote. In this context I want you to re-visit my earlier post to Navind Times critiquing Anand Madgavkar's star letter on NT and to see for yourself the futility of trying to save Goa through tall talks and ingenious printed material through articles and star letters. Do you believe that the next assembly elections will be different from the 2007 elections?? Happy reading. floriano goasuraj PS: The other day goasuraj attended the 'all party' meeting called by the Ch. Election Officer. When the CEO started reading the EC guidelines on 'defacement', wrong declaration of election expenses and penalties thereof, I interrupted him to ask him what was the record of the EC to take cognizance of such wrong-doing reports. He tells me that this meeting is not meant for such questions. To this I told him that I had written to the EC New Delhi that Babush Monserrate's 2005 declared By-Election expenses at 2.65 lacs were unrealistic ( which were more like 4 to 5 crores of rupees) and that he should be investigated. I asked him if the EC did take cognizance of this. I want this point recorded at this meeting, I told him. He refused. I walked out of the meeting after thanking him to the tea and biscuits and as I was leaving I also told him that EC commissioners were in Goa (At Marriot's) during Elections 2007. They refused to meet Goa Su-Raj delegation, that it is our impression that EC is nothing but a lot of gas and no substance. Others who represented were INC and BJP. - Original Message - From: goasuraj To: Navhind Times Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 5:55 PM Subject: Re: Changing the Political System by Anand Madgavkar - COMMENTS by GOASURAJ Changing the Political System By: Anand Madgavkar NT: Friday, July 11, 2008 - Reader's Angle DISHONESTY, cheating, robbing , curruption, bribes, extortion and all such evils have become a way of life with the very people entrusted to safeguard the people from these evils. Are we doomed or is there any way to change the situation? Impossible, says my pessimistic friend, but the word 'impossible' spelt differently spells - I am possible'. So let us try for our own sakes to do what many perceive as impossible. The way has been shown by the villagers of Chandor, the results were seen in Kundaim and in many other areas too. Gramsabhas are seeking changes. It is necessary for all of us - at least those that want a change - to participate. We should form ward committees in each ward, ask folks from your area to join in, meet regularly ans work out the common needs that must be addressed be they water supply, electricity, roads, garbage, medical assistance, education, law and order etc and make a wants list, circulate the same in your ward, ask for suggestions and work out a document to give to the aspiring candidates - the Panchas, the councilors etc who will come to you begging for a chance to represent you and for your vote of confidence. Ask each candidate to sign his acepttance of your demands. Do not get involved in the election process as ward committees but whoever is elected must be reminded soon after elections of the commitments that were made. The people must be after the elected candidate to look after their needs. Attend Gramsabhas in large numbers - be sure your demands are taken up, move resolutions, check whether works are looked into and completed, spend some time to check the progress and the standards of the work done. Also the people must get together and pull up the representatives if necessary. Report wrongdoings, demand action, stop corruption, illegal activities in you area. Demand for police action and make your representative responsible - wake him up if necessary, push him, support him till the right things are done. If co-operation is not forthcoming, 'gherao' him as did the people of Kundaim in their demand for justice. In this way no matter who is elected, we the people will get justice because we the people deserve justice and we the people undertake to fight for justice. It is the only way back and if we have to do it - so be it. I say, "If it is to be, it is up
Re: [Goanet] Nirmala Sawant slated for NCP ticket for North(goasuraj)
Dear Tony, It gives me the utmost pleasure to offer an answer to your potent question. First, 'the party with a difference' With great humility I must confess that we have never considered GOASURAJ as a party with a difference. This terminology was rubbed into the ground by the seemingly most disciplined party called the BJP. It even used our good 'name' Su-Raj which means 'Good Governance' and rubbished it so badly that we were compelled to modify the same to 'Effective Good Governance' Now for 'Loot' I have always gone on record to say that there are no bad people per se in this world. Only bad intensions, in the understanding that 'Saints' are found only in Heaven, which statement may or may not be completely true in today's context :-)) Looting comes from those bad intentions and especially if those intensions are allowed to go freely unchecked. At Goa Su-Raj, we may not want bad intentioned people but we cannot stop them at the entry point, could we?? Therefore, we have put a 'shieve' where every bad intention is shieved out. Pls note that the 'shieve' I am talking about is:- Art. 34, Art 37, Art 38 and Art. 41 of the Party's Constitution. But if you would prefer to substitute a 'Koito' for the'shieve', you feel free. b/rgds floriano goasuraj PS: I do hope you will refine the technique of 'reading between the lines'. :-)) - Original Message - From: "Tony de Sa" To: "Goa's Premiere Mailing List, Estd 1994" Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Nirmala Sawant slated for NCP ticket for North(goasuraj) It is a matter of fact that the Goa Su-Raj Executive has since >completely closed the doors to Ex-MLAs with the passing of a >BY-LAW banning the entry of Ex-MLAs into the Party. The understanding is that " WE AT GOA SU-RAJ DO NOT NEED >TO LEARN FROM EX MLAs HOW TO LOOT GOA. WE ARE >QUITE CAPABLE OF DOING THAT OURSELVES" floriano goasuraj Dear Floriano, It was my understanding that GOASURAJ was a party with a difference, which was meant to save Goa from all evils. It appears now that my understanding was mistaken because in no uncertain terms you state, and I quote: " WE AT GOA SU-RAJ DO NOT NEED TO LEARN FROM EX MLAs HOW TO LOOT GOA. WE ARE QUITE CAPABLE OF DOING THAT OURSELVES" So Goasuraj is just the same old hat in another guise? And that the intentions to loot Goa have always been there, but latent?
Re: [Goanet] Nirmala Sawant slated for NCP ticket for North
The Goa Su-Raj Party has taken note of the news reports that the NCP will be given the North Goa seat for the 15th. Lok Sabha Elections to be held on April 23, 2009. The Goa Su-Raj Party has also taken note that Ms. Nirmala Sawant has been shortlisted for the Ticket and that she will be formally joining the NCP on Guddi Padwa day. In the wake of the rumours that NCP Chief Pawar had Ms. Nirmala Sawant in mind for the North Goa seat after having had talks with her, we quizzed the Goa Chief of the NCP, Dr. Wilfred D'Souza to shed light on the rumour. His response was "I don't Know - No body has told me" There is a reason why Goa Su-Raj is interested, not, in that sense, to know who gets the NCP's ticket, but to know if Nirmala Sawant will get it. And the reason is linked to the visit that the undersigned paid to Nirmala Sawant at her residence at Marcela the day after (Sunday) the mammoth Congress meet at the Lohia Maidan was held with big-shorts of the Congress such as Mani Shankar Iyer, Priyaranjan Dasmunsi in attendance, just before the assembly by-elections were held in 2005. The Goa Su-Raj had noted with keen interest the conspicuous absence of the only lady ex Congress Minister on the dais Ms. Nirmala Sawant. The half-hour meet was cordial covering a lot of ground, especially about the strategy of mounting an effective campaign in the Cumbarjua Constituency basically to see the defeat of Pandurang Madkaikar who was slated for the Congress Ticket. As a Congress woman still, it was expected that she will fight Madkaikar tooth and nail but clandestinely, with Goa Su-Raj intending to be in the fray. Would she support our candidate? Would she suggest a suitable candidate? Would she join Goa Su-Raj and contest on its ticket? where many such questions asked. And her forthright answer to our offer was thus: Quote "Mr. Lobo, I appreciate your offer. But I must decline it. IF AT ALL I LEAVE THE CONGRESS PARTY, I SHALL NOT JOIN ANY OTHER POLITICAL PARTY Unquote To that the undersigned has told her this: Quote Ms. Sawant, we respect your decision and we rather anticipated it. Our offer is made out to you by me in the capacity as the President of the Party and does not have the official sanction of the Party's Executive, especially when the Party is bound by the unwritten rule that Goa Su-Raj shall not give entry to any Ex-Mla. I am taking the chance in the understanding that I may be able to convince the Executive to make this one-time exception. I am not sure if I will succeed or not. Therefore, please do not throw this offer out of the window. Rather tie it to your 'SHENDO' [hair knot] so that it reminds you every time you shake your head" Unquote Ms. Sawant had just laughed as a response. It so turned out that Nirmala Sawant resigned from the Congress and subsequently contested the by-elections against Pandurang Madkaikar as an 'Independent' with Goa Su-Raj supporting her through not fielding its candidate. The Goa Su-Raj Executive member was in the fore-front of being one of her main campaign managers. The unfortunate tally was: Madkaikar at 10016 against Nirmala's 9445, a mere shortfall of 571 votes. Therefore, in the wake of the above news reports about Nirmala's impending entry into the NCP, we at Goa Su-Raj believe that Nirmala must tread carefully. 'A WORD' of a serious person, a serious politician, is expected to be the 'WORD OF HONOUR', never to be discarded or forgotten for whatever reason at all. Nirmala has one option though. She can deny that anything like the above has ever transpired and we on our part shall not pursue the matter as this chapter has been closed. But hopefully, she will be able to ignore the ever louder growing knocks at the 'SHENDO' should she accept the NCP's offer. The Goa Su-RajParty wishes her well and would like to see her in Delhi, soon. It is a matter of fact that the Goa Su-Raj Executive has since completely closed the doors to Ex-MLAs with the passing of a BY-LAW banning the entry of Ex-MLAs into the Party. The understanding is that " WE AT GOA SU-RAJ DO NOT NEED TO LEARN FROM EX MLAs HOW TO LOOT GOA. WE ARE QUITE CAPABLE OF DOING THAT OURSELVES" floriano goasuraj
Re: [Goanet] Too Many Parties Contesting LS Elections in Goa
Dear Cederico, No, The GSRP shall not keep you guessing any longer. We did have a candidate in Mr. Rajendra Kakodkar [MTech] of Margao to contest from the South but the intra party consensus between UGDP and GSRP has accepted the formidable candidature of Matanhy Saldanha and Goa Su-Raj will be actively canvassing for his WIN which is indisputable. As far are the North is concerned, we did have a couple of requests but we have played hem down. Goa Su-Raj is presently setting up its 'grass-roots' organizations in many constituencies and without the same, there is no point in contesting elections. Even for the next assembly elections, this party will not field a candidate in a constituency which has not established its CWC [Constituency Working Committee]. It must be noted that so far the party was contesting only to gain publicity and/or for reasons which are not understood by many. In short, GSRP believes that 'SLOW AND STEADY WINS THE RACE' Thank you for the query With kind regards floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "cedrico dacosta" To: Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 3:58 PM Subject: [Goanet] Too Many Parties Contesting LS Elections in Goa Dear Goanetters, Just as the day draws near for the Lok Sabha elections and even as the main political party in Goa -- the Congress -- still is not able to declare its candidates for the upcoming lok sabha elections...i wonder how many more parties will throw their hat in the ring... while some are spoilsports and will loose their deposit, although their pockets are made full by the parties that have paid them to play spoil sport at the hustings... I wonder if GOA/SURAJ, and our good-old-friend-with-the-master-plan, Mr Lobo are contesting the elections this time aroundwould love to find out. Good luck guys... Cedric da Costa UAE
Re: [Goanet] A clarification over a very surprising development.
Dear Bosco, Well, you must have heard what they say about a Sindhi and a Cobra. which one would you tackle first if confronted by both. Like the 'Sindhi' first, for me it is the Congress first and then the BJP at one's leisure. Because having done with the two-timing worst, the other goes down by itself. I would love to take you advice and do the 'legs upar karo et baito' but court or no court I cannot afford that luxury. best floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Bosco D'Mello" To: "Goanet" Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] A clarification over a very surprising development. From: floriano Let it be known that Menorah Paprika and Florien Lobo are both bonfire Goons and are leaders of individual political thinking. Floriano...for a moment I thought you had embraced Judaism and wanted to celebrate Hanuka fairly early this year, wanting to fire-up your Menorah with some spicy Paprika:-) It is a fact that the floosies who were working under-cover with camouflaged intensions through full page advertisements, promoting the BJP are now slowly coming out from the cold and exposing themselves. Haven't you promoted MP / BJP in the past?? And condemned the Congress as the "worst enemy"?? And therefore, I rest my case. Arre you are spending too much time in Court!! Masso-legs-upar-karo-ani-relax-kor!! - B
[Goanet] Press Statement for kind favour of publication Re: Sad demise of Shri Jagdish Wagh.
The Goa Su-Raj Party condoles the sad and sudden demise of Shri Jagdish Wagh and reaches out to bereaved members of his family. Shri Jagdish Wagh had always carried himself honourably and was an able journalist, a person who had great aspirations for Goa's sustainable development. In his passing away, Goa has lost yet another literary son and his loss will be felt dearly by Goans who new him and who loved his journalistic style. In his passing away the Goa Su-Raj Party has indeed lost a friend. May his soul rest in eternal peace. Sd/- Dr. N.S. Dumo President Goa Su-Raj Party
Re: [Goanet] Of Crooks & Criminals!
Dear Dr. Ferdinando, I must say that your brief, to the point, posts have always made perfect common sense. I wish at least 5% of this basic common sense was resident in the leaders who run Goa's governance. If it was so, then Goa would be a better place to live in. Sowing rice is out of the question. It is too small a venture which does not kickback hard enough. Therefore we have concretized our agricultural fields. Planting trees is out of the question. We are pre-occupied with uprooting the existing ones, especially if we find precious iron ore beneath the roots. Educating the people is out of the question. Their minds are poisoned when they are young. Blame RSS Shakas, Madarassas et al. The mind's window that has to remain open for ever has been shut tight and bolted. Who cares if 10 years down the line, Goa becomes extinct? As long as I have made much buck today? rgds floriano goasuraj 9890470896 PS: The post is highly appreciated. - Original Message - From: "Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão" To: ; ; Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:57 AM Subject: [Goanet] Of Crooks & Criminals! Letters published on our dailies by protagonists of “Cidade de Goa” endorsing the move to checkmate the Supreme Court’s orders, exposes the degree of uneducated literates we have. Their mentality seems to enunciate that if someone has been pleasing to you, his scandals or illegitimate acts should be overlooked or condoned. It does not matter if the rest of the world label Goans as ‘Crooks & Criminals” and murderers of the Judiciary. For them, disciplining illegitimate acts, “does not serve public purpose”. These individuals can rest assured that their esteem in the eyes of every right thinking Goan has sunk. If the literates have this mindset, what can you expect of the illiterates? Little wonder the same bunch of crooks are being elected every time, as they have been pleasing to their voters every 5 years by feeding them chicken, mutton, booze and monetarily. And to some of their compadres, all the time; so that the Law does not catch up with them. A Chinese Proverb says : “If you are planning for a year, sow rice; if you are planning for a decade, plant trees; if you are planning for a lifetime, educate people.” Sadly we Goans have neither rice, plants nor educated people. Just weeds. Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão. Margão.
Re: [Goanet] Mahatma Gandhi's personal effects.
Very appropriate response indeed. to this:- I say, ship everything to Harvard or Berkeley and it will be preserved. Keep things in India only if you want to turn them to dust. I say, add the load of Goa's Comunidade records meticulously compiled and stored during the erstwhile Portuguese regime now being kicked around and is rotting in unused storerooms, at least in the office building of Administrador das Comunidades, Mapusa. floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Rajan P. Parrikar" To: Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Mahatma Gandhi's personal effects. To Goanet - Averthanus D'Souza wrote: Now that an Indian business tycoon has bought them for $1.8 million is a paradox of unprecedented magnitude. Mahatma Gandhi himself, who lived a very frugal and austere life - he did not even have a house of his own - would have given these things away for free to some poor person without a second thought. The paradox lies in the fact that $1.8 million in foreign currency has left India to benefit an unscrupulous American 'collector' who made some very unreasonable demands of the Government of India as a precondition to pull the items out of the auction. Which galaxy is Averthanus D'Souza living in? Let's see - "Indian business tycoon" - booze baron Vijay Mallya - now the owner of Mahatma's personal effects. Mallya is known for everything unGandhian and is unabashedly unGandhian. This is a statement of fact, not a value judgement - I respect Mallya's freedom to choose the life he wants to live. The "unscrupulous American" that Averthanus D'Souza declaims is actually a votary of the peace movement with utmost regard for Gandhi's ideas and life. Averthanus D'Souza speaks of the "unreasonable demands" wanted of the Government of India by this "unscrupulous American." Let us examine what they are: "...to increase government spending on the poor or to create an international traveling exhibit about Gandhi that would include the items that would have been auctioned on Thursday afternoon." http://tinyurl.com/gandhi-auction Gee, mighty unreasonable. I wish the Gandhi memorabilia would have stayed put in America. For Indians have ZERO regard for their own heritage. The only quality Indians show in abundance is self-righteous indignation. Look at the pathetic state of Birla House or the rubbish memorial at Rajghat that overturns everything Gandhi stood for and lived for. Look at the ancient texts rotting in the dusty library shelves or the archival musical recordings mothballed into oblivion in All India Radio's damp dungeons. I say, ship everything to Harvard or Berkeley and it will be preserved. Keep things in India only if you want to turn them to dust. Regards, r
Re: [Goanet] Manohar Porriker's Deathly silence on Cidade Issue
Any Ordinance has a life of just 6 months and is required to be ratified to make it a BILL by the house of representatives before the expiry of 6 months. In my personal interaction with MP (Mapusa Nagrikancho Ekvott re Mapusa ODP affair), he has personally told me that this BILL will be opposed in the Assembly when tabled. We shall have to wait and watch. floriano goasuraj Message - From: "cedrico dacosta" To: Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:31 AM Subject: [Goanet] Manohar Porriker's Deathly silence on Cidade Issue Manohar Porriker's Deathly silence on Cidade Issue Can any of the BJP's forefathers, godfathers, mistresses, midwives on GOANET explain why is MR MANOHAR PORRIKER, the maestro of the BJP and the leader of opposn (LOO) silent on the cidade ordinance issue? Cedric Da Costa UAE -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1989 - Release Date: 3/7/2009 6:43 PM
Re: [Goanet] Goa govt to Goans: "Get lost!"
Dear Rajan, And, intuition tells me that the next thing you will say is: " Don't you 'Dear-Rajan- Me Up" I have just realised that you belong to the tribe who went 'lick'etty' on the failed RSS-DESPOT, from London to the US shores and more, wanting to shore-up his majesty, not sparing any costs (that includes expensive calls from London et al). But when you did not get the expected response from the supposed (according to you guys) gullible, family jewels loving-cockatoo Goans to tote your line, bait-hook and sinker, you guys got sourer than the sourest grapes. Behold! the 'Exe Omo' - Rajan (Double) Parrikar. Who moved around Goa like a busiest of flies, photo-takeouting and wot not. You know what? You should take my good advice and take a long hike. And just to clear your insides which are bursting with revenge, take a double shot of ENO. Will ya? It will do you a world of good. Like-wise, I too have no time to waste on sour pickles like you. OK? ciaoo amigo floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Rajan P. Parrikar" To: Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa govt to Goans: "Get lost!" To Goanet - Refer to this post - http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-March/174695.html Floriano, Rant to your heart's fill. I don't want to waste my time on you following this post. What is now plainly evident is that Goa Suraj is another zany addition to the burlesque in Goa's political opera. You seem to have suddenly found your family jewels. Be careful there - you don't want them anywhere near Timblo's smelter (they might get shipped to China). I don't doubt your love for Goa for even a millisecond. Loving Goa is in fashion these days. Sharmaji-Varmaji, Bansal-Agarwal, Chatterjee-Mukherjee, Iyer-Iyengar, Singh-Ahuja, the droves of ghatis - they all love Goa to death these days. I wager that Timblo's love for Goa exceeds your love or my love for Goa by a million (in any units). Warm regards, r
Re: [Goanet] Goa govt to Goans: "Get lost!"
:-)) ((:- floriano goasuraj PS: God's email bounced back . Probably Her inbox is full. She must have taken a day off knowing Goans will do a goanet on Her inbox. - Original Message - From: "George Pinto" To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 4:26 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa govt to Goans: "Get lost!" From: "soter" I am passing along God's response, these are her EXACT words: "Why save Goans when they are a self-destructive lot? And why should I save them from themselves?" Please respond to God directly at parad...@heaven.com. George
Re: [Goanet] GOA IS A FAILED STATE
A few days ago, a delegation of MNE (Mapusa Nagrikancho Ekvott) met the leader of the opposition along with the Mapusa MLA (Francis D'Souza) at his official office at the Assembly Complex to alert him on the take-over of the Mapusa ODP (Outline Development Plan) by vested interest to make agricultural fields along the Mapusa river a concrete jungle and where MNE wanted a people's park as a lung for Mapusa's citizenry as also an exhibition ground for the city developed with all facilities like toilests, parking etc and various other beautification and decongesting measures. However, Manohar Parrikar observed that people come to him to get their work done but when the time comes to voting, they vote for the Congress. This comment steered the discussion entirely off the topic on hand where the Freedom Struggle VCD affair etc came to fore in a heated discussion. This is when Manohar brought to the attention of the Convenor (Adv. Antonio Lobo) that the Church (thro' CSJP & others) had approached him to table the motion in the House to cancel the TCP amendment 16A. He said he did not want to do it but after a lot of pressure from all sides he agreed to to so. Not a single Congress-NCP legislator vote for the motion he said and the motion was defeated. The Church, he said, had done nothing to pressurize the Congress MLAs (at least the Christian ones) to vote for the motion. All said and done, he went on to called the Church as communal. He also spoke a lot about who is who that approached him in person and were presently only sending him letters by post which I file without reading them, he said.As this instant argument had given him the lead to press his point, he went further to denounce the Church on the VCD affair. His argument was put to rest by self when I drew his attention to the fact that per se the VCD was a creation of perverted minds where it was not history that was recorded but egos. The VCD would have died, I told him, a natural shelf-death if YOU as the Education Minister did not circulate the VCD to the schools in Goa. Parents/teachers alike thought YOU, being cadre RSS, wanted to poison the budding minds of school children, a well known target used by the RSS. Manohar had not much to say except that "Did I force the schools to show the VCD?" Did I send a circular forcing the schools to screen the VCD? To that Adv. Antonio Lobo reminded him that the VCD had his endorsement and that he was the Education Minister as well as the CM. School authorities did not need a circular. The order was implied by the very fact that it was routed through the Education Department. I have related the above since Marshall has asked a pertinent question. Will the Ordinance be defeated when produced in the Assembly as a BILL come next assembly session within 6 months? I personally believe that more than the Legislators and their conscience et al, the Church in Goa will be put to the litmus test on this issue. floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Marshall Mendonza" To: "goanet" Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:56 PM Subject: [Goanet] GOA IS A FAILED STATE I do not believe all is lost as yet with the Ordinance regularising the Ciadade irregularities. It is though a challenging task. I understand that an ordinance has a legal validity of 6 months. Legislation has to be passed before the ordinance expires, otherwise the ordinance lapses. Further the ordinance can be challenged before the High Court. Now is the time to put the legislators through the litmus test - all 40 of them. Apply pressure on each of them. Get them to sign a petition that they will oppose the bill in the legislature when it is brought before them. This will serve two purposes. One the true intent of each one of them will be known. And two any duplicity will stand exposed. But for these to have powerful effect every goan who loves his motherland has to come out and stand to be counted. But will they rise to the occasion? Regards, Marshall
Re: [Goanet] GOA IS A FAILED STATE
Dear George, Absolutely but absolutely well said. floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "George Pinto" To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 1:28 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] GOA IS A FAILED STATE I do want to make clear that when I wrote "Goa is a failed state" I was referring to the political situation (both major parties), the law and order situation and the criminal elements in these activities. On the other hand, Goa is a successful state when it comes to art, stage theater, music, and in various other fields. However, a cloud hangs over the state given the failure of the political system to deliver basic rights, opportunities to Goans. George
Re: [Goanet] Boycott Hotel Cidade de Goa
In response to this line in Sam's post, viz: "He can always build another Cidade the legal way and he would be highly respected if he did that. I would like to repost my earlier post on goanet which is:- - Original Message - From: "floriano" To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:58 AM Subject: SUICIDE DE GOA OR CIDADE DE GOA?? When one feels over-confident and invincible, trouble comes knocking at the door. This is unavoidable and I know from first hand experience. It seems that Audhut Timblo will now be reviewing his friendship with many a past and present politicians and bureaucrats who ill advised him and made merry at his cost. In the end, he is the sole person who will have to hold the heavy bag. Being a personal friend, I sympathize with him for all the heartaches and humiliation he will presently undergo in view of the Order of the Hon. Supreme Court with the CIDADE De GOA not remaining the Cidade at all. But we have full faith that the Audhut's heart-beat 'The CIDADE' will once again arise from the ashes of the demolition squads and be the 'Cidade' that we all loved and appreciated by Goa and Goans once again. At this moment, I sincerely urge Audhut to review the bad advices given to him w.r.t. filing the Rs. 500 crore defamation suit in the HC of Calcutta against Sebastian Rodrigues by withdrawing it entirely and completely, if possible by extending sincere apologies to Sebastian Rodrigues and the Goa Su-Raj Party of which Sebastian is a lifetime member. It is not necessary for Audhut to know the amount of good-will that will come crashing-down on him in this his time of sorrow. Others who feel over-confident and invincible please beware floriano goasuraj PS: If I am not mistaken it was Venantius who had corrected my mistake 'UNvincible' as Un-invincible :-)) - Original Message - From: "Samir Kelekar" To: Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:36 PM Subject: [Goanet] Boycott Hotel Cidade de Goa Seb DC So you say, since people will loose jobs, make illegal thing legal! & to understand this you have to stay at the hotel & experience. What is your logic, IF I MAY ASK ? I hope you get a mouthfull from Samir to know more about goa and goans. Seb, I can only pray that this Gulf International gets some brains. Btw, as I have been thinking more deeply I find that this is the problem about these mine owners of Goa. They seem to be clearly incapable of doing business the straight and legal way. Why, is it some kind of an addiction like that of a kleptomaniac ? I have seen the Ambanis have it. Even when they are making billions due to entrepreneurship (hopefully), they want to make their extra money by cheating/chicanery/ corruption/ illegality. I guess it is in the genes and just won't go away. Probably it comes from the town called "chor bazaar' from where the elder Ambani came from. I think it wouldnt cost Timblo much to respect the supreme court judgement. He can always build another Cidade the legal way and he would be highly respected if he did that. But why wouldnt he do it ? Is it some kind of a psychological insecurity ? Or that they are just used to making money the easy way and dont want to bother their brains any more? If so, it is clearly arrogance and that is just intolerable. regards, Samir
Re: [Goanet] Goa govt to Goans: "Get lost!"
Dear Venantius, I readily appreciate what you have to say. However, I do not extend apologies where none are required. I have openly admitted that my election fund raising idea was supported by Timblo. Actually I challenged him to do that. I did not go to him but he came to me through Rajan Narayan of the Goan Observer where I was one of the directors. I piffed off his offer of money and challenged him to sponsor the fundraising dinner at his hotel with scotch served. He accepted the challenge at first but wanted to back off subsequently. I did not allow him to do that. As a result it was not a Suturday Night dinner as planned but the Sunday lunch. Election commission was there to count the plates. Audhut spent next to Rs. 90,000/- on that lunch and Goa Su-Raj collected almost Rs. 60,000/- through lunch coupons from friends of the Party. Audhut holds Rs. 90,000/- worth of Goa Su-Raj Party's printed pledges along with a letter of appreciation. My election accounts are audited by the Election Commission and the lunch account is incorporated in it. Rajan Parrikar seems to be paranoid about saving Goa. But Goa does not only belong to him. It also belongs to me. I have extended him an open invitation to stand before me with a holdable challenge if he can. Herald, GT has published my reaction to the ordinance. I have a lot of friends including Audhut. I will always remain a friend to them. But that does not mean that I have to be their enemy if they falter and fall flat. I will pick them up but tell them that they deserved to fall because of their bad actions. That is my way of working. If Rajan thinks that I have to shoot Audhut down, let him gift to me the AK-47. I shall be only glad to shoot many more along with him :-)). And one more thing. I am doing no one a favour and no one is doing a favour to me. OK?? Every one Goan has the right and the obligation to save Goa. I don't want to be told how to do it. Period. I have told Rajan to take a hike if he feels he considers himself a superior Goan. B/rgds floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Venantius Pinto" To: Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa govt to Goans: "Get lost!" Dear Floriano, This is what I was hoping would not happen. I for one am aware that you are relatively different, but the fact that you fell short of stating your disdain in no uncertain terms, brought about this valid response from Rajan. It is valid because of the stakes involved as you would know. At the very least do what none of the other politicians ever do/ and perhaps never will--tender a full apology, even including for the fact that you wished the Timblo scion well. The apology may get dismissed out right but it would still have been tendered. And considering that one is rarely proferred by Goanetters leave alone Goan politicans that says a little bit. As it has been said: Its better to light a candle than curse the darkness. The point is, damned if you do and damned if you don't. Its moral relativism time for you. Furthermore be precise in your logic (this forum appreciates logic as you know). Also forget about ever talking money from any of these guys, unless it it to be put directly into a project and supra above board OR you are able to fight tool and nail. Not for mounting a campaing for an election. I know it is eay for me to say this. But look at the pens that are massedon the horizon. But one cannot expect any reprieve now that your every action and language will be perceived and analyzed, rightly by r, or brusquely by others who will now pile on. Bless you bro. Do the right thing if this makes sense. Btw, I heard a joke somehwere where even Satan is miffed that the Goans have been putting off the fires in hell. The Goans in heaven are demanding biryani. Venantius J Pinto From: "Rajan P. Parrikar" Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa govt to Goans: "Get lost!" To: goa...@goanet.org Message-ID: <319067.33014...@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To Goanet - Floriano, Refer to - http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-March/174630.html The GT letter you have posted does not square with the fiery rhetoric you have been giving us about Goa Suraj. Your verbal pirouette around Timblo is embarrassing when you should have been reading him the riot act. How can you now claim that Goa Suraj is a different kind of political party? By your peculiar logic, several other construction violations can be similarly justified. After all, once something has been built "no one is going to profit, not even the environment, if the demolition is carried out." (your words) This is indeed a strange yardstick you have advanced, one that all the promoters of mega projects will no doubt come to love. You wish "Audhut" the "very best." I, on the
Re: [Goanet] Goa govt to Goans: "Get lost!"
Rajan, I invite you to stand before me publicly and challenge Goa Su-Raj or its executives publicly if you have the nerve :-)) Take this as a permanent invite. Let me say that I have not read your below post. Now I shall give you something on Audhut Timblo. Check it out for its veracity. Audhut had an eye on the 20,000 sq. mtrs fronting his hotel project belonging to Renate Pinto (1980s). He went to the extent of making his hotel a Public Limited Company by issuing 5% of the holding in public shares. Got the eager Government and its babus to help him out to acquire this chunk of land for him for peanuts. (Rs. 20/m2 where the actual compensation demanded was Rs. 1000/m2) By the way the compensation case is still ongoing in the HC. Audhut was adamant not to pay the legit owner the cost of his land but in the bargain has splurged crores of rupees trying hold the ill-gotten gains through chicanery. What Timblo has done is ethically wrong and he must sink for what he has done. And he must pay for his sins. By suggesting the Clemency appeal ( which probably does not even exist as a legal alternative) what I was saying was that his hotel must be put to work for the people from his earnings for all these years. The Ordinance is a farce and some legal brains somewhere must send it to the sewers that it belongs to and not allow the country's judicial system and judicial pride to be stained and tarnished. These jokers must be taught a lesson once and for all. Tell me one thing sincerely, Rajan. Can I count on your help in bringing out a professional Independent weekly or a fortnightly which will be run by authentic professionals from the media to bring out all these chicaneries by the successive governments and the government of the day as well as by all the rotten apples we have in the assembly? If yes, will you invite your good friends who love Goa and want to save Goa to join hands? I promise you that this publication will not seek to promote any individuals or any political party. Goa lacks such an instrument and there is a possiblitity that someone be found for the right job. Let me know. b/rgds floriano goasuraj Original Message - From: "Rajan P. Parrikar" To: Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa govt to Goans: "Get lost!" To Goanet - Floriano wrote here - http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-March/174671.html But don't you give me a lecture on the appropriateness of Goa Su-Raj's stand on this issue. I know what I am talking about. If your vision sees all pink, then I cannot help it. Get yourself a normalcy check-up. There is no point in growing unnecessay ulcers. And you must know that ulcers turn malignant in time if not cured. Reminds me of the boy and the cookie jar. Floriano tells me not to lecture him. But Floriano is the one who has been lecturing us all this while about the grandiose Goa Suraj castle he claimed to have erected. He said it represented a different kind of politics and that it was a breath of fresh air when in reality it reeks of the same old rancid stench as the rest of them. He also tells us that Audhut Timblo has been funding dinners for the party. Gee, the Timblo fox has been guarding the Goa Suraj henhouse, eh? We might die in this laugh riot first, Floriano, before the ulcers claim us. Regards,
Re: [Goanet] GOA IS A FAILED STATE
Dear Bonifacio, Thanks for the response. Let me say that I am not the Hercules that will lift Goa away from the worms with his strong arms. I have tried to bring in a system of governance that could be just and disciplined. Whether Goans will take it up or leave it is another matter altogether. I am an NGO activist at heart. And I have taken enough corrective actions against wrong-doings (six successful PILs in the HC). And I am tired already at 61. I want to just step back and relax. But my conviction does not allow me to do so. There is the need to expose the worms that are working overtime to undermine the well-being of Goa and Goans. Goa needs an independent weekly or a fortnightly that can exposed our charlies left right and center and educate the masses about their role in these plays. There is a possibility that some one in the professional capacity may take this charge. What do you think? Can you be counted in?? This tabloid will not promote any individuals or political parties. Let me know rgds floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Bonefacio Lopes" To: Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:39 AM Subject: [Goanet] GOA IS A FAILED STATE Floriano, Thanks for the reply, questions before you := 1.I don't agree that for one to be a leader in getting Goa out of the present rot , a political party is the only solution. 2. With due respect to GOA-SU-RAJ,i am not interested in the time taken in formation of the said party and thereafter, we need action not stories.Which ever political party be it in Goa or India ,the motherland needs to be protected from the clutches of the dangerous sharks and people in any form. 3. Let's not be naive and believe that in the entire world Goans will not be involved in scams etc, let's rubbish this allegation out and see the way forward in stopping the management from hiring management from outside, now that's where leadership role from your side takes effect as your actions will speak louder than the problems you are mentioning , i don't see any solution that you are offering. I have read a lot of articles from you some expectionally good ones other just good , some may not interest me, but we are always complaining about this and that but i have never seen any action not particularly from you perse but our renowned Goan people who are happy in their own lives. Hence, i keep on repeating that Goa is made to be a failed state by Goans only . Bonefacio
Re: [Goanet] Goa govt to Goans: "Get lost!"
These comments made me dive into my archives for something that I had written a long time ago to re-enforce the point that Soter makes. It is the Synopsis of the Writ Petition that I filed against the CRZ violations by 3 hotels in Calangute/Baga belt, 'Calypso', 'Estrela do Mar' and 'Fahrenheit's. It will be seen that I have departed from the set legalese of putting together the synopsis. However, it is to be noted that cognizance of the Petition was duly taken by the Honourable High Court of Bombay at Goa and major portions of the CRZ violations by the 3 hotels have been razed especial of the Calypso to the tune of crores of rupees. Quote IN THE HIGH COURT OF BOMBAY AT GOA Writ Petition (PIL) NO. 3 of 2007 Shri. Floriano Lobo.. Petitioner V/s State of Goa and Others... Respondents. Synopsis The petitioner is a responsible citizen of Goa and has been consciously following the various directives of the Honourable High Court of Bombay at Goa with respect to various environmental aspects such as the pollution by industries, garbage problems and mostly the rampant CRZ violations with or without the active connivance /support by the various authorities who are appointed by the Government to curb such violations. This petition is a result of the petitioner having lost faith in the various authorities where one has to run from pillar to post to get authentic information regarding the developmental projects coming up in the CRZ areas and by the fact that all attempts to get such vital information even through the official Right to Information Act, 2005 are mostly frustrated. To an ordinary citizen, who would want to respect and/or obey all laws rules and regulations, openly seeing that corners are being cut everywhere, rampantly, with total disregard to existing and enforceable laws, rules and regulations, the only recourse left is to knock on the doors of the Honourable High Court in the hope that the Honourable Justices will see it fit if justice in this case is desired or not. Otherwise, it would be better to disband all laws rules and regulations and let the citizens go about doing things as they like and as they feel. In that case, the society at large would have to seek its own level whether it wants to cross the line into lawlessness or it wants to remain on the side of being an honourable society adhering to the laws rules and regulations it would formulate to do just that. Your Lordships, this petitioner has done whatever that could be done within the means available to himself and begs to be excused if he is found wanting. The basic essence of 'common sense' that the laws rules and regulations existing in this State or in this Country must make has been lost and it would be the task at your lordship's very hands to restore it back in its place. This petition contains nothing but the frustrations of the petitioner with the regulating authorities who choose to be blind even to the extent when entire Goa is nothing but a huge hemorrhaging mass well on its way to its grave. If hope could resurrect Goa into being a well governed, orderly, peaceful and harmonious State so that all citizens may live their lives in an orderly manner, this petitioner would stick to this entity called hope. End. Unquote floriano goasuraj Original Message - From: "soter" To: Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa govt to Goans: "Get lost!" Rajan Parikar's from the heart comments may be much to the dislike of many hypocrites. Anything not digestible to the hypocrites is conveniently labeled BJP just like the controversy over the potrayal of slums in slumdog millionaire. Our denial of the reality is strong. Goa is precariously poised at this juncture. On one hand we have the Cidade issue, on the other is the RP 2021, on another the Panchayat Bill, and the latest is the Notice inviting Tender for Nuvem NH17 which has just been received. Are Goans going to be happy producing more toilet paper in the form of memorandums? Are we only going to be seen doing something by publishing booklets on R(I)P 2021? or Are we going to put our foot down, come out on the roads not to return home until this government backs out? We have really stretched the art of good living beyond bounds whereby we have have become a society that is senseless and boorish. We seem to have stretched the idea of diplomacy in our dealings far too much. We sell the people of Goa by night and walk around town claiming to be social activists by day. For a social activist to profit from boat cruises the sound ban needs to be relaxed. Ridiculous! Imagine the height of stupidity in the comments of some Goans like Emiliano and Rosande on the Cidade issue. Just because people are going to lose jobs does it mean that the illegal act must be regularised? When it comes to the interes
Re: [Goanet] Goa govt to Goans: "Get lost!"
Dear Rajan, Through all this binocular gazing, Did you see a little David (with his shrunken lolly) braving it with a sling-shot?? If you have missed out, your binoculars need focussing. :-)) floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Rajan P. Parrikar" To: Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 7:16 PM Subject: [Goanet] Goa govt to Goans: "Get lost!" To Goanet - That is what the Goa govt is plainly telling Goans through its initiative to promulgate an ordinance to help Timblo & Cidade de Goa. In other words, your Regional Plan will make for a nice toilet paper roll. In recent times two classes of people have emerged as the major beneficiaries of the Goa government's munificence: (a) Builders and miners - it doesn't matter here whether you are an outsider or not. (b) Outsiders - both ghatis and the rich bhaile.
Re: [Goanet] Goanet] The Accidental Activist - Where have all theyoungsters gone?
Venita's fight is my fight too, both being Moidekars. But I would like to leave the youngsters to do what they must do i.e. study well and make their futures rather than immerse themselves in the social fights which are never going to decrease but increase ten fold each passing year. My only advice to the youngters is to enmass register themselves on the electoral rolls and vote come every election, be it panchayat/municipality, assembly or parliamentary. But vote sensibly in the case of assembly or parliamentary elections for a party with a written down system of governance and not for individuals and tall promises and for a 'panel' in the case of municipal or panchayat elections in the same manner extracting guarantees of compliance after elections. Inshahalla, one day your vote may change the way we are governed leaving no social evils to fight for and to leave Roland and Sabina free to do what they do best for a living. floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Samir Kelekar" To: Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 4:03 PM Subject: [Goanet] Goanet] The Accidental Activist - Where have all theyoungsters gone? --- On Wed, 2/25/09, Venita Coelho wrote: I remember sitting in the college canteen in Calcutta and listening to a wild haired student explain exactly how to make a Molotov cocktail. 'But isn't all this dangerous?' The student looked at me with blazing eyes 'I am in the right. This is my land. I will do anything for it.' If Goan youth are more concerned about getting jobs and a girlfriend, rather than making Molotov cocktails, I'd say they've learnt the lessons of life well. Interestingly there was a brief survey done on European countries. The students of Italy, Greece and Spain are most likely to riot, while British students were least likely to riot and protest. Their concerns were staying on in school, getting good grades and finding jobs after they finish. Interestingly, Italy, Greece and Spain are also the most dysfunctional countries in Europe. When we say we want youth to be involved in activism, we mean our brand of activism. How much praise would we have for youth who show keen interest in joining the RSS and Ram Sene? My young cousins who are dentists are always off on some camp or the other offering free dental to remote villages, educating the young on dental hygiene, etc. This too is activism. It may not fit into our perception of fire-brand, filling the streets, molotov cocktail type of activism, but I would say it is far more productive to themselves as individuals and as a society. Let the young of our country prepare for their future lives as they should; stay in school, get good grades, find good jobs. Their time to grow old will come soon enough. Best, Selma It is very tough choices for today's youth. One has to make a living as well as one has to have social concerns. Two diametrically opposite paths -- can the two be reconciled ? When I was growing up, I went to IIT, chose the career option. I remember Roland, Sabina ditched possibilities of a good career and plunged into social work. It must have been very tough for them. What do social activists get other than only trouble, meagre to live on, and beatings and jail ? How can this be sold to any youth, when the other options are much rosier --- a girlfriend, a bike and good money ? The point is --- is there a middle ground ? Can we lure the youth by helping him/ her advance his career by say offering a job and at the same time inculcate a sense of social well being ? Not easy. I work with a lot of students here; forget social work, the moment they get a big MNC offering them a good job, they just forget you. But the compromises that they do are long term. Politics is everywhere even in jobs, and inablity to speak up even in jobs stunts one's personality, and even though one may have an apartment, i think many of these only-career seeking people hardly have a life worth envying at least in India. regards, Samir
Re: [Goanet] 'Peaceful March' my a$$...
Manohar Parrikar was already bought off by Timblos when he declared Sebastian Rodrigues a Naxalite and wanted that the anti-Naxalite laws be stamped on Goa's mining belts, meaning incarcerate Seby in the dungeons. But he, nor Timblos, not even Timblo's dogs, the Sujay Guptas, did not bargain on the fact that Seby was a member of Goa's Green Party, the Goa Su-Raj Party. Now, from this so called peaceful march to the Raj Bhavan, and the positive response from Manohar Parrikar, it may be assumed that MP has received a bonus over the previous payments and Timblo's arch enemy Babush must have notched up a few more CRs in his account to take him over the already 15 Crs declared in today's newspapers (GT ' With 15 Cr, Babush is second in Goa). That this 15 Cr. declaration is chicken feed against what Babush is actually worth is another matter altogether. Hope somebody had the presence of mind to videotape the peaceful march so that each member of the march may be identified. The next thing that Goa will hear is that Timblos have withdrawn the 500 Cr defamation case against Seby which has been filed in the Kolkata HC by Sujay Gupta. This is sure to happen after the number one crore pati of Goa Anil Salgaocar's help offer to Seby to fight the case was rebuffed by Seby in no uncertain terms. All I can say is that with the Supreme Court's Order, all the kings men, women, children, students and all the kings horses, goons, policemen, truck drivers and government chamchas in high places couldn't put Timblos' Cidade together over again. floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Hartman de Souza" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:49 PM Subject: [Goanet] 'Peaceful March' my a$$... According to a press communiqué issued by the management of the Cidade de Goa hotel, on February 16 about '900 employees, associates and family members of the hotel marched peacefully to Raj Bhavan to call upon the Governor, the Chief Minister and the Leader of the Opposition to save their livelihoods'. Before one unnecessarily sheds tears for the Timblos, this 'peaceful march' follows the Supreme Court ordering Cidade de Goa to demolish their illegal constructions encroaching on a public beach that the hotel has clandestinely tried to keep private for years, refusing passage through the hotel lobby (as is their right), but also sealing off public access to the traditional road that goes down to the beach. Which agitation in Goa – and these are growing in number – would not have wished for this kind of orchestration? The Governor, the Chief Minister and the Leader of the Opposition conveniently at hand to receive a memorandum. 200 odd employees of the hotel and students from the Academy of Culinary Education (an illegal construction) joined by 'associates' (who could be truck drivers from the mines for all we know) and 'family members' to make up the numbers. Not a single lathi charge. Not a single old woman put in the lock-up, not one woman abused by police officers in the pay of a mining company, not a single villager harassed by cops as happened in Collomb. No defamation case. Civilized politics. The Chief Minister, as only to be expected, played for time. He made sympathetic noises and promised to study the situation. The Leader of the Opposition, given his propensity to take over space with his mouth, did exactly that. The Herald quotes him say saying 'It is a simple matter. The legislature should act and I will fully support so that so many jobs are protected. We cannot afford to lose jobs in the time of recession'. So what is he saying exactly, that the Legislature should act by overthrowing a Supreme Court order? Not to be outdone, support for this farce was also extended by Taleigao MLA and Education Minister Babush Monserrate who the Herald quotes as saying 'The government must do all it can to prevent demolition. The resort provides many jobs in the constituency and I will support any effort to avoid the breaking down of any part of the hotel which will lead to job losses.' It is all very funny if it wasn't so sad. The Cidade de Goa memorandum states that 'the Court has ordered that an integral part of the resort be demolished' and pleads with the governor 'to intervene within the constitutional framework and help us to avoid this demolition, which will save us our jobs and livelihood'. For 'integral' above read 'illegal', read that the Timblos knew exactly what laws they were flaunting and why, and how their business prospered, read that within the constitutional framework when the Supreme Court of this land passes an order it must be respected. In any civilized country, the Timblo-led 'peaceful march' would have been seen as contempt for the constitution.
[Goanet] Fw: Bharat Swabhiman (Trust)
- Original Message - From: goasuraj To: bhara...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: Re: Bharat Swabhiman (Trust) BHARAT SWABHIMAN (TRUST) Administrative Office: Patangali Yogpeeth, Maharshi Dayanand Gram, Near Bahadrabad, Haridwar - 249402, Uttarakhand, India Tel: 01334-244107, 240008, 246737 - Fax: 01334-244805, 240664 - Email: bhara...@gmail.com Sl.No.: .Dated: 26th January, 2009 Respected Sir/Madam, On this historic and pious occasion and in foretime of impending general elections of Lok Sabha, we on behalf of millions of nationalists, patriotic, valiant, sensitive and awakened Indians would like to know from your party which is representative & custodian of democracy in India, as to whether it will field nominees who are patriotic, honest, educated and responsible citizens or the corrupt, dishonest criminal, illiterate and irresponsible ones? In national interest, we will fervently await an early reply from you. If we are unable to get a reply from you, we will be constrained to think that your party demonstrates disrespect to high ideals and values of democracy by fielding corrupt, dishonest, criminal, illiterate and irresponsible people as candidates in the coming Lok Sabha election. We equate such deeds as national crime. Sir/Madam, let us admit here with both candour and politeness that if you party do disrespect ideals and values of democracy by choosing tainted, dishonest, criminal, illiterate, irresponsible and self-seeking people as your party's nominees, we will be forced to socially boycott your party at national level through all nationalist organisations and millions of patriotic, sensitive and awakened Indians under our national obligations. On the other hand, if your party plumps for patriotic, honest, literate and responsible people as election candidates, we will act for the moral support of all nationalist organizations and inspire millions of the country's voters to exercise their franchise positively. We only expect that your party will field candidates in consonance with national and constitutional responsibilities and welfare of the country vis-'a-vis refrain from choosing corrupt, dishonest, criminal, illiterate and irresponsible elements. You, by following the same, will be abiding by your 'Rashtra Dharam' (National Duty) and thereby protecting the pride and feelings of millions of Indians, steeped in patriotic fervor. Please find enclosed herewith a booklet, 'Jeevan Darshan', which encapsulates the Philosophy, Objectives and Principles of Bharat Swabhiman (Trust) for your ready reference. Once again, wishing you a very happy Republic Day. Yours truly, For Bharat Swabhiman (Trust) Sd/- (Acharya Balkrishnan) General Secretary Enclosed: As above President/General Secretary Goa Su-Raj Party 383-A, Pirazona, Moira, Bardez-Goa (Pin-403514) REPLY: (Letter Head) Goa Su-Raj Party Dated: 7 Feb, 2009 Dear Sir/Rev, Acharya Balkrishnan, At the outset, let me say that we have been honored to have received your above, painstakingly compiled, communication and we thank you profusely for selecting this rather small Goa's Regional Party for the same. However, what is small need not stay small forever, and we believe that this Party has the potential to be 'India Su-Raj Party', God willing. Rank corruption and dishonesty has been the hallmark of our National Polity since its Independence 60 long years ago. But at Goa Su-Raj Party, we have come to believe that 'CORRUPTION' and 'DISHONESTY' in politics flows from two sides, (1) Through one's natural tendency to be corrupt and dishonest, to feather one's own nest and that of the next of kin, at the cost of the tax-payer, and, (2) The more sinister tendency to be corrupt and dishonest to enjoy total 'power' through wielding of 'religious fanaticism', especially when 'Religion' is termed as the 'Opium' of the masses. The former can be easily controlled if the naturally corrupt and dishonest person or persons encounters tough stretches to trek in a more stricter, disciplined, transparent
Re: [Goanet] Curtains, TV at Govt cost? Daya did it
Who will come forward? No one, you take my word for it. On the contrary the people who are surrounding him ( they are many though) will feel that since he is doing such a good work for the aam admi ( like asking for fly-overs everywhere etc) he should be compensated more with personal luxuries. Only (French) revolution can shake the stanglehold that our politicians are having on the Goan psyche. floriano goasuraj Original Message - From: "Vinay Natekar" To: Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 4:38 PM Subject: [Goanet] Curtains, TV at Govt cost? Daya did it See the loot by our politicians in the government and the ruling party . The way they are frittering the public money on their private mansions and personal leisure. Looks like the perks, concessions and freebies in the form of free electricity and telephone calls and petrol for their official plus private vehicles free of cost running lakhs of ruppes per year are not enough. Are we unaware of these free booties being taken by our leaders coming from the public exchequer is at the cost of our hard earned money paid as taxes to the Government? Who will come forward to expose such unscrupulous politicians and stop the drain on the public exchequer and get it controlled lest it shake our Goa administration which is already running in Financial chaos. Regards Vinay Curtains, TV at Govt cost? Daya did it HERALD REPORTER PANJIM, FEB 6 Did you know that ministers can refurbish their residences by billing the exchequer? They not only can replace their old curtains at Government expense but, it seems, they can go in for electronic goods like latest LCD TVs, if they so desire! In the last three years, there was, however, only one minister who incurred expenditure on his bungalow and submitted bills to the Government. It was none other than the Law Minister of the time. What’s more, even the Finance portfolio was with him then. The expenditure on five items at the residence of Aldona MLA Dayanand Narvekar at Mapusa was Rs 2.2 lakh and odd. This came to light when BJP legislator from Shiroda Mahadev Naik tabled a question wanting to know whether the Government had incurred expenses on the private residential premises of ministers, MLAs and officers for the period from April 1, 2006 to December 31, 2008. The written reply to the question regarding expenditure on private premises of VIPs was given by PWD Minister Churchill Alemao in the Goa Assembly. What is interesting is that the expenditure on Narvekar’s bungalow had been incurred under “maintenance fund”. The reply to Naik’s question asking for item-wise details, seems to have revealed that if some ministers desire, they could purchase any household things and submit the bill to the Government. Narvekar was the law minister during the Pratapsing Rane regime from mid-2005 to mid-2007. In the first portfolio allocation after Digambar Kamat Government came to power, Narvekar was not allotted law and judiciary. But within a day, the notification was amended allocating the portfolio to the Aldona MLA. Around five months ago, Narvekar was dropped from the ministry and since then he has been active in raising many issues inside and outside the Assembly. Opposition Leader Manohar Parrikar expressed shock over the items purchased at the “official residence” of Narvekar. These include a refrigerator costing Rs 57,000 and Sony LCD TV costing Rs 99,990. The statistics say curtain cloth material was purchased for the bungalow for Rs 14,045 while renovation of sofa set with new upholstery and curtain stitching cost Rs 25,000. A minister also has to think of his security guard. And in Narvekar’s case, a fibre glass cabin was made for the security personnel costing Rs 36,000! http://www.oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=16900&cid=2 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1936 - Release Date: 2/5/2009 11:34 AM
Re: [Goanet] Saving Goa’s Prized Identity will be a lesson to world
Dearest Arwin, Indeed, a commendable write-up. Though much appreciated, will want to comment on a few key excerpts:- (1) AM: "killing the goose that lays the golden egg" FL: Is it still alive? If so, it must be clinically dead with its last golden egg still inside of it. But be assured it too will vanish shortly, when the Post Mortem is done. :-)) (2) AM: Do we prefer being "something to everybody" or "nothing to nobody"? FL: I would tick off the later i.e "nothing to nobody" because I don't care about nobody. I pack my garbage in a plastic bag and fling it at any convenient roadside spot making GOA the land of GARBAGE. (3) AM: Social activists fight a difficult battle against so many illegalities & are intimidated by false police cases filed under political pressures, constant delaying tactics by Quasi-Judicial Government bodies which are influenced by Corrupt Politicians, wealthy mining & building lobbies etc. FL: A long time ago, in Bombay, when I had called for a meeting of Bombay Goans, to get them involved in the affairs of Goa ( at George Menezes' residence) I had explained to them that Goans in Goa can only make a ripple at best but Goans outside Goa can make a Tsunami just like a stone thrown in a pond from a short distance will only make a ripple but the same stone flung from a distance would make a wave. To that Gerson D'Cunha had sanctimoniously and authoritatively advised me that I should take-up just one, good, promissing, issue and beat it to pulp if I wanted to be popular like him at AGNI in Bombay. To that I had told Gerson that it was easy for him to pick up promissing issues in Bombay but for us in Goa it was pretty difficult, nay impossible as every thing was an issue. Pray which one should I pick-up? I had queried to the applause of others. (3) AM: "I will open the doors and windows of my house and allow the winds of different parts of the world to flow through it. But I will not be swept off my feet"* FL: That philosophy died with Gandhi with the force of the RSS BULLET. If he had to live in the present times, he would not only be swept off his feet but out of the window along with the house :-)). BTW: At tomorrow's 4 p.m. planned meet at the Moira Club grounds, we propose to pass the following 2 resolutions 1. MINERAL RESOURCE OF GOA ARE A GIFT OF 'GOD' TO THE PEOPLE OF GOA. IF ITS EXPLOITATION DOES NOT BENEFIT THE PEOPLE OF GOA, THEN LET IT LIE THERE BURIED AND UNTOUCHED WETHER SOMEBODY LIKES IT OR NOT. 2. A MESSAGE TO FOMENTO'S AUDHUT TIMBLO - WITHDRAW THE RS. 500 CRORE SUIT FILED AGAINST SEBY RODRIGUES IN THE KOLKATA HIGH COURT OR FACE THE WRATH OF THE GOAN PEOPLE All are invited to attend this meeting. Cheryl D'souza of Colomba will be the STAR speaker. She has promissed to attend among most others across Goa. [Sujay Gupta beware! You are likely to be blown off from MOIRA] floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Arwin Mesquita" To: "Goanet" Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:22 PM Subject: [Goanet] Saving Goa’s Prized Identity will be a lesson to world *Saving Goa's Prized Identity will be a lesson to world* GOA, one of India's most beautiful states is a major tourist attraction due to its natural beauty, beaches & most importantly its prized identity; a blend of east & west. Goan Identity today has the best of both worlds' i.e. strong values/links from the Indian Subcontinent, coupled with a distinct western flair. My plea to the Indian/Goa Government is to preserve our precious jewel, because the way things are going, Goa's Identity will be soon eliminated and will be clear case of "killing the goose that lays the golden egg"
[Goanet] Jonathan Marques - Goa will miss you Dear.
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your Goa-based media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com kam...@ankaservices.com This Party, against all odds, fought to have its presence in the world of internet when the argument extended in its executive meet in the year 2000 was: 'How many people in Goa use computers ? Today this party is proud that it can condole the extinguishing of the little candle of Goa that would probably serve GOA more than most. After all Jonathan was not happy to be in the environs he was in and probably wished to be back in the environs of his beloved GOA. The Goa Su-Raj Party, while condoling the snuffing-off of this vital Goan Candle which would probably do a great service to Goa, wants to share the heart rendering grief of Jonathan's parents Menino and Arcanja and poses this vital question to God Almighty which question must have been repeated a million times by the grieving parents: 'Why did YOU have to pick on little Jonathan when you had the whole world to pick from?' The answer may well be: Because little Janothan wanted to follow in the footsteps of little 'Jonathan Livingston Sea Gull' who discarded all family norms and conventions to want to soar up and up into the sky. Maybe Jonathan Marques is happy doing what he wanted to do most. Dear Menino and Arcanja, we at goasuraj are with you in this moment of your extreme grief. floriano goasuraj [UK GOAN BOY FISHED OUT FROM RIVER - Herald (Page1) 28 Jan, 2009] -- ---Wanted for Goa--- honest ' fighters ' NOT honest ' hypocrites ' Contact: goasuraj (The Recruiting Agents) 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org
Re: [Goanet] Leading to India's 15th LOK Sabha Elections
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your Goa-based media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com kam...@ankaservices.com The Goa Su-Raj Party is Goa's (GREEN) Regional Party and as such it has portrayed its views and suggestions on the conduct of the Elections to the Indian Parliament as well as to the State Assemblies to the Election Commission of India as part of the Electoral Reforms India must look forward to in the near future. This is what we have suggested as we feel that these reforms are the need of the hour if India has to play a central positive and constructive role in the Commity of Nations. Guidelines for State and Parliamentary Elections. 1. Bar on National Parties contesting State Assembly Elections. And 2. Bar on State Regional Parties contesting Parliamentary Elections. In view of (1) above, It is a fact that National Parties are not interested in the welfare of the State and its aspirations. The example is Goa itself. All that the national parties are interested is that Goa become their watering hole and a holiday resort for its more important dignitaries in Delhi. There, exists a criterion for a Political Party to be qualified as a National Party satisfying its presence in 'x' number of States of the Union. A system must be evolved where a National party cannot contest State Assembly Elections directly but supports one or more regional parties in the State Assembly Elections thereby eliminating the presence of the national parties in the State Assembly. In view of (2) above, State regional parties with their State aspirations, have no national outlook and therefore cannot function optimally in the national parliament with fragmented national vision and more importantly with scarce knowledge of the nation's international relations and commitments. Therefore the State Regional Parties must support the candidates of one or the other national parties during the Parliamentary elections but not be allowed to field their respective candidates, or they must support erudite INDEPENDENTS, who will ultimately choose between one or the other national parties. Observations: We see State feuds being acrimoniously debated in the Parliament resulting in a lot of precious time wasted along with a lot of money. The Parliament must debate national and international issues leaving the States to fend for themselves, only coming into the picture when two or more states are at loggerheads with each other. After all the Constitution of India demands that all States conform to its edicts and the states can always fall back on the Supreme Court for directions in case of conflicts within its own jurisdiction or with other states. Parliamentarians are supposed to be most the most erudite personalities who have the basic understanding of the working of the nation as a whole as well as the nation's relationship internationally and its international policies and commitments. Since Parliamentary and State Elections are free for all presently, the Goa Su-Raj Party feels that it too must have its acclaimed presence in the National Parliament. Having the above outlook, it's members of parliament would perform better for the good of Goa as well as for the good of the country and its prospects internationally. As such this party is looking for erudite Goan personalities to come forward to avail of this party's tickets for the North & South Goa parliamentary constituencies. It is a fact that this party does not wish to fight elections on the basis of 'money' and 'muscle' power, the all preferred ' WINABILITY ' . Also, it does not allow its candidates to spend large amounts of money from their own pockets. As a matter of fact this party prefers that its candidates do not spend any money from their own pockets, but help raise a modest sum of money required to conduct modest election campaigns so that voters at large are aware that such candidates do exist on the ballot paper/voting machine. Increasingly, what this party is interested in is the so called "OBAMA EFFECT, where every voter participates through contributory participation for the good of the state or the country. This party is confident that the more intelligent and literate electorate of Goa, as well as the Goan Diaspora, will support these candidates should such candidates volunteer to step forward, stand-up and be counted so that Goa may earn the name/fame through the performance of its parliamentarians, utterly d
Re: [Goanet] Goa's Lok Sabha Opportunity
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your Goa-based media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com kam...@ankaservices.com Dear Arwin, What you have spelt out is the Road Map for Goa of the Goa Su-Raj Party. Our Party's Manifesto for the Lok Sabha Elections 2009 is as follows:- 1. No National Party will constest in State's Assembly Elections. 2. No Regional Party will contest the Lok Sabha Elections. 3. All Mining Ops is Goa must stop until a Comprehensive Minging Policy is deternined for Goa with people's participation. That Mineral resources of Goa are a gift of God to Goa and Goans. If it has to be expoloted, it should not be against the welfare of the people of Goa. If this condition is not satisfied, then let the mineral resources lie where they are undisturbed and untouched, whether the Goa Govt or the Central Govt likes it or not. 0Any person(ality) willing to contest the Lok Sabha elections 2009 from North- South -Goa on Goa Su-Raj Party's (Free) Ticket is most welcome. Needless to say that the Party will determine the grey matter in the candidate versus the money power before giving its OK. floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Arwin Mesquita" To: "Goanet" Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 7:14 PM Subject: [Goanet] Goa's Lok Sabha Opportunity Subject: Goa's Lok Sabha Opportunity The upcoming Lok Sabha Elections is a very good time for Goans, to start turning the heat on politicians to protect Goa; land, demographics & prized identity. Goans, starting from the Grass Root Level/Gram Sabhas, should put the respective demands to the Lok Sabha Candidates. The demands should cover (1) Special Status to stop our scarce land sales to Non-Goans, (2) Migrant Controls, (3) Task force to look at sustainable employment for Goans, (4) Allow only necessary Housing projects favouring Goans, (5) High Taxes/Charges on Non-Goans owning apartments to discourage their purchases, (6) Use Article 19-D in the constitution; which has provisions to protect local state identities etc. Of course, the politicians will come out with every excuse in the book, of what cannot be done for Goa... LET US SHOW THEM OF WHAT REALLY CAN BE DONE!! Arwin Mesquita (UAE) -- Please post your comments on my Blog: http://goanidentity.blogspot.com/ -- Please post your comments on my Blog: http://goanidentity.blogspot.com/
Re: [Goanet] Updated: Appeal to contibute towards expenses to fight Rs.500 crore defamation case
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your Goa-based media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com kam...@ankaservices.com Goa Su-Raj Party pledges Rs. 1000/- [Rupees One thousand only] towards the appeal. Direct transfer from IOB Mapusa Branch to IOB Panjim Br. shortly. All the very best floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "sebastian Rodrigues" To: Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:48 PM Subject: [Goanet] Updated: Appeal to contibute towards expenses to fight Rs.500 crore defamation case Gawada, Kunbi, Velip & Dhangar Federation c/0 : New Goa Store, Opp. Cafe Bhonsle, Panaji - Goa Reg. No. 48/Goa/81 Ph: 91-832-2284351 M'ble. 9923336347 Date: 17-01-2009 Appeal to contribute towards expenses to fight Rs.500 crore defamation case 1) Fomento Mining Company led by Mr. Audooth Timblo has filed a defamation case against our Co-ordinator of Mand Shri Sebastian Rodrigues for his online writings at http://www.mandgoa.blogspot.com/ . 2) Mr. Audooth Timblo is the owner of the five star hotel 'Cidade de Goa' based at Vaiginim, Dona Paula - Goa. 3) The defamation case filed is for Rs.500 crore. 4) The defamation case is filed at Calcutta High Court. 5) GAKUVED considers this case is of Public Interest and request members of the public to support to fight this case. 6) GAKUVED appeals the members of the public to contribute minimum Rs.2/- per head to meet the cost of the case. 7) You may deposit your financial contribution in the Gawada, Kunbi, Velip and Dhangar Federation bank account number 13809 at Indian Overseas Bank, Panaji branch, Panaji-Goa. 8) You may also post demand drafts and cheques drawn in favour of Gawada, Kunbi, Velip & Dhangar Federation to GAKUVED, c/0 : New Goa Store, Opp. Cafe Bhonsle, Panaji - Goa. Pincode 403 001. 9) For International contributors, our Swift Code for money transfer is as follows: IOBAINBB001 (IOB CHENNAI, INDIA) for further credit to IOB PANAJI, INDIA, A/C NO.13809, Gawada, Kunbi, Velip & Dhangar Federation. 10) In case you are crediting money directly to the account then please send reference email to mand...@gmail.com so that the amount received is acknowledged to the sender and note of gratitude and thanks is communicated by GAKUVED. 11) Please indicate your name while sending as the amount received will be regularly published on http://www.mandgoa.blogspot.com/ to ensure financial transparency. 12) In case you are collecting money from other people for this cause then please send the name, address, if possible - telephone number and email id so that thank you message could be send to them as well and their contribution be publicly acknowledged. Thanking you. Sd/- (Durgadas G. Gaonkar) PRESIDENT
Re: [Goanet] another opportunity --- democracy is at the doors
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your Goa-based media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com kam...@ankaservices.com The Goa Su-Raj Party , Goa's only ' GREEN PARTY ' has made its committed stand that:- Mineral deposits of Goa are the Gift of God to Goa and Goans. If explotation of these deposits does not benefit the people of Goa and on the contrary if it takes away their livelihoods, their water, their agricultural fields, their forest cover, the wild-life and thier mountains and hills and gives them only the dust to breath instead, then let these deposits lie burried where they are untouched whether the government of Goa or the Central government likes it or not. The Goa Su-Raj Party also demands that all mining operations be stopped completely until a comprehensive, people friendly mining policy is put in place with people having a say in determining this policy. Having said this, Goa Su-Raj is willing to talk to the future GREEN GOA PARLIAMENTARIANS who are ready to come out, stand tall and be counted to take on the North and South candidatures of the Party for the Next Lok Sabha Elections. The support base could be WORLD-WIDE OUR LINES OF COMMUNICATION ARE OPEN goasuraj 9890470896 - Original Message - From: "Samir Kelekar" To: Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 12:12 AM Subject: [Goanet] another opportunity --- democracy is at the doors We have the Lok Sabha elections coming up in April. Those who are against mining, do they have the modesty to go to the people who are the only thing that count in democracy ? or they still are sticking to their holier than thou attitude cribbing when they get defamed but at the same time refusing to go to the people (read stand for elections)? Please tell us what is needed. We should have at least one candidate either in South or North Goa contest on the save goa (I dont mean Churchill's party) platform. Jai Hind! Samir
Re: [Goanet] RTI on CS: Junior Engineer Victimised, transferred - A Press Statement for kind favour of publication.
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your Goa-based media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com kam...@ankaservices.com The Goa Su-Raj Party expresses solidarity with the Junior Engineer of the Electricity Department Shri. Kashinath Shetye and his wife Smt Sanyogita Shetye in the case of seeking to obtain crucial information on the life-style of our public servants who have gone on the binge of immersing themselves in luxury, none other than the Chief Secretary of the State of Goa, in this case. The Goa Su-Raj Party lauds the efforts put in by Shri and Smt Shetye in this matter in order to expose the hidden life-style of our public men at the cost of the gullible tax-payers. Victimizations through transfers is the only weapon available to the powers that be to retaliate against this most basic tool of democracy- 'the Accountability'. This Party is on record of having advised at least one most senior Civil Administrative Official that they should collectively refuse to follow orders which go against the grain of legality of procedures even to the extent of facing , so to speak, the 'Siberia Postings'. That there is always a limit as to what extent these 'Siberia Postings' can continue without reflecting back on the democratic conduct of the high profile. The Goa Su-Raj Party is proud of Shri. and Smt. Shetye and congratulates them to no end for their determined stand, and do hope that this incidence gives birth to more daring Shetyes in time to come to expose the doings of the powers that be at the cost of the tax-payers. More absolute Power to RTI. Power to those who seek transparancy in the working of the Government of the people, for the people and by the people. Floriano Lobo Gen. Secretary/Spokesperson, Goa Su-Raj Party 9890470896 goasuraj...@sancharnet.in www.goasu-raj.org -- ---Wanted for Goa--- honest ' fighters ' NOT honest ' hypocrites ' Contact: goasuraj (The Recruiting Agents) 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org
[Goanet] This Statement was orated at T.B. Cunha Hall 12th. Jan. at the Seby solidarity meet
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your Goa-based media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com kam...@ankaservices.com RE: FOMENTO V/S SEBASTIAN RODRIGUES OF GOA SU-RAJ PARTY 1. That Seby must defy the intimation to attend the Calcutta High Court. This is not to disrespect the Honourable HC of Kolkata but to let it know of the utter silliness of the suit Seby being the leading part of the agitation against Goa's environment and endangered health of endless number of people. 2 That the Calcutta HC is best advised to dismiss the Petition on the grounds that the proper venue is the Bombay HC at Goa. The argument here is that internet is read the whole world over. Should such petitions be then filed everywhere in the world??? Who's kidding whom here??? 3. That this is a clear case of 'harrassment' to Sebastian, first, naming him a Naxalite (courtesy Manohar Parrikar). Now this. 4. That the Government of Goa be pressurized (aka Goa Bachao Abhiyan's mass meet at Azad Maidan on 18 Dec, 2006) to close down all mining ops in Goa until a comprehensive mining policy is established which satisfies all vested interests as well as the people of Goa, especially those in the mining belts who are acutely affected. This should be done through hearings/discussions etc on a time bound agenda. 3. That if mining, which is the gift of Goa to Goa and Goans, does not benefit its people evenly, it should not be touched and should remain as it is, deeply buried whether the government of Goa or the Central government likes it or not. And last but not the least Audhut Timblo of Fomento is a dear friend of the Goa Su-Raj Party. He must realize that Seby is the Party's very important member and his work has always had the blessings of the Party, for the Party he belongs to is itself a Green Party of Goa. He must immediately correct this foolhardiness of filing this suit in the Kolkata HC by immediately having it withdrawn. If he feels that he is justified that Seby's writings are harmful to his bonafide business then he must proceed with the suit in the Bombay HC at Goa. This is a very friendly advice from the institution he so greatly admires. Floriano Lobo Gen. Sec/Spokerperson, Goa Su-Raj Party Mobile: 9890470896 e-mail: goasuraj...@sancharnet.in Website: www.goasu-raj.org -- ---Wanted for Goa--- honest ' fighters ' NOT honest ' hypocrites ' Contact: goasuraj (The Recruiting Agents) 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org
Re: [Goanet] Fomentos claim Rs.500 Crores as damages for defamation at Calcutta High Court
* * * * * * * * * ANNUAL GOANETTERS MEET * * * * * * * * * Goanetters in Goa and visiting meet Jan 6, 2009 at 3.30 pm at Hotel Mandovi (prior to the Goa Sudharop event, which you're also welcome to). Join in for a Dutch dinner -- if we can agree on a venue after the meet. RSVP (confirmations only) 9822122436 or 2409490 or f...@goa-india.org The first thing that comes to mind after going through the DEFAMATION SUIT FOR RS. 500 CRORES as presented in the mandgoa blog is. MOIRA the land of WISE FOOLS. The big question is: Has the Plaintiff in the said Defamation Suit, viz. Shri. Sujay Gupta, acquired the WISE-FOOLNESS of the great MOIDEKARS in such a short time from taking up residence in MOIRA??? It must be noted that the respondent in the above defamatory suit, Shri. Seby Rodrigues is the Life Member of the Goa Su-Raj Party which has its head office just a couple of hundred meters from where the Plaintiff Shri. Sujay Gupta has taken his residence. Rs. 500 Crores are appealingly welcome to this 'hamlet' and shall be ever so appreciated. GOD SPEED goasuraj - Original Message - From: "sebastian Rodrigues" To: Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 4:14 PM Subject: [Goanet] Fomentos claim Rs.500 Crores as damages for defamation at Calcutta High Court Goa's Fomento mining company has filed defamation suit against Sebastian Rodrigues for his online writings claiming Rs.500 Crore as damages. For more on this log on to www.mandgoa.blogspot.com Warmly, Seby
Re: [Goanet] A regional party by Activists in Goa? [fungoa.blogspot.com]
* * * * * * * * * ANNUAL GOANETTERS MEET * * * * * * * * * Goanetters in Goa and visiting meet Jan 6, 2009 at 3.30 pm at Hotel Mandovi (prior to the Goa Sudharop event, which you're also welcome to). Join in for a Dutch dinner -- if we can agree on a venue after the meet. RSVP (confirmations only) 9822122436 or 2409490 or f...@goa-india.org This expose/analysis on Goa's political climate is much welcomed and appreciated. Frankly speaking, the author has made a creditable reporting without bias or malice. However, unexpectedly, we are happy that this Party's name is at all mentioned in the who is who. Unexpectedly, because thus far even very qualified writers on Goa's political parties and political systems have totally missed out on the very existence of this 10 year old Party. We are also happy to note what has been said about this Party , even though it is minimal. "hold promise" is rightly stated as, since 10 years of this Party's existence, the promises that are underwritten in its constitution and its Road Map for Goa hold good and will hold good in time to come. Again, "perceived to be CONSERVATIVE" is rightly state. A lot of people perceive this party as a Johnny come lately who will dry and wither into the abstract. That has not happened and is not likely to happen. Others perceive it as a 'Party of Christians'. This perception is again misplaced for two reasons: (1) This party does not recognises RELIGION but recognises only people, and (2) It is presently headed by a non-Christian. It is not understood why this party should be perceived as conservative, meaning resilient to change. On the contrary this party is for a full-blown change, especially the change of the 'system of governance' based of discipline and self-sacrifice. Not wanting the state's treasury to leak-out through a hundred or thousand fold leaks makes the party conservative? Not wanting Goa's agriculture totally and completely destroyed through populist policies of the past through destroying of Goa unique agrarian institutions, the COMUNIDADES makes the party conservative? Not wanting to accept in its rank and file any Ex-MLA/s with wrongly learnt lessons on governance and acrrying with them bulky unwanted baggages makes the party conservative? We have looked-up into the dictionaries to educate ourselves on the true meaning of Conservatism. And we remain reassured that the 'conservative cap' that this party is seen wearing is out of place for a revolutionary party at best. But if it is perceived as being conservative, then so be it. This Party is going to stick to the promises made to Goa and Goans in its Constitution and its Road Map for GOA until the end of time. for Goa Su-Raj Party Floriano Lobo Gen. Secr./Spokesperson 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org - Original Message - From: "Goa Observer" To: Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 10:34 PM Subject: [Goanet] A regional party by Activists in Goa? [fungoa.blogspot.com] A regional party by Activists in Goa? The Election Commission designates two types of political parties in India. Political parties whose realm of influence extends to four or more states are termed as ‘national’, the rest being classified as regional. Regional parties contest for elections within that state and are considered to be truly representing the welfare of the people in that state. A casual glance at the political scenario in our Goa shows that we have no regional party of note to protect our interests. The two major political parties in Goa are both branches of a national party. The ministers of these parties are more interested in following the commands from the central ‘high-command’ and the aspirations of the locals are put on the back burner...>>> ...>>> The regional parties in Goa include the MGP, UGDP and Save Goa Front (SGF). The members of the latter are mostly ex-MLA’s of either the Congress or the BJP. The Su-Raj party also holds promise but their outlook has been perceived as too conservative. The SGF offered many promises last election but eventually sold themselves out in an effort to acquire ‘cabinet berths’. As the incumbent government stumbles along the rough and ‘mine-infested’ road that is Goan politics and reaches its closing stages, there is a question that assails our consciousness. Which of these lesser evils should we elect to represent us for the next four years? Why can’t we choose something good? On this note, let me quote George Bernard Shaw “Some men see things as they are and ask why. Others dream things that never were and ask why not?”
Re: [Goanet] Ref: Oh God, What Did I do ?
Dear Freddy, This is a fit script for a RoseFerns' Tiatr, really. Much appreciated. floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Freddy Fernandes" To: Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:22 AM Subject: [Goanet] Ref: Oh God, What Did I do ? What Should I do ? My name is Dom Pedro and I came from a poor family, I am thankful to my parents for helping me to finish my studies, they had to sacrifice a lot to pay for my education, my younger sister was still in School, though I tried very hard all I could do was get a Commerce degree. I tried to get a decent job but no luck, my parents couldn't afford to pay agents for a job in the Gulf or on the ship, what should I do ? This was the question that vibrated between my ears with great intensity, I was going nuts, just then local elections were announced and every one was on the run and in hunt for candidates and supporters by whatever means. .
Re: [Goanet] "The Paradox of Our Age"
Dear Goans, I happened to visit Dr. Anita Kamath Dudhane - MD Ph.D - Allergist & Immunologist, at her clinic at Kamat Complex, Caranzalem, for the reason of checking out my grandson for possible allergies. Dr. Anita is a U.S. return and is doing very well. Normally I do not open up to first time acquaintances, more specifically professionals like Dr. Anita, unless there is a cue to do so. In this case, I had quite an exchange with her as she was explaining the possible allergies sensitive youngsters like my 4 year old grandson could pick up in a place like Goa, with its untreated garbage lying everywhere and anywhere etc. As an opener, as soon as I entered her clinic, I spotted a plaque hanging on the wall with quite a bit of a write-up. Curiosity took me closer to it and I not only read it, but borrowed a paper from the assistant and copied it down. When I met the good Dr. Anita, I introduced myself to her and handed over to her my GSRP visiting card face down on which I had written thus: "I am taken up by the "Paradox of our Age" plaque hanging on your wall and I shall want to use it effectively". And then, when she turned the card, OH! she said. I know Goa Su-Raj and I know Dr. Dhume. She tells me that she wanted to settle down in Goa, that she loves it like any other Goan will love Goa, that she wanted to give back to her country and to her motherland Goa. But she says that her husband has decided that there is no future for them in Goa, especially because they cannot see Goa's politics of destruction abating unless Goa is destroyed totally and completely and that he has given her 4 years before they return back lock stock and barrel to U.S. and Denver/Colorado. The interesting thing is that she tells me that she wanted to start a training centre at the GMC, immunology, as she practices it being a new subject and very effective. But she is facing a dead wall there as there is absolutely no co-operation given to her. Instead, she says she has started classes free of cost at GMC on her own and that it is the best thing that she can do. When I told her that she should review her decision to leave Goa for Good, especially because there is GSRP which can and will turn Goa's governance around 180 degrees in a short span of time, she was very skeptical. I give it to you, she says, that you people are sincere, but once any political party comes to power, the power goes to its head. She gave me quiet an example of the BJP and Manohar Parrikar to shut me up venturing further. All I could tell her is that GSRP is built differently and have promised to give her the Party's Road Map for Goa and its Constitution to go through so that she understands that GSRP mean business with the Party always positioning itself between the people and its government, where the government will be the Party's driver to take it wherever it wants to go as according to the wishes of the people. She smiled a sweet smile and said "we shall see" btw: Dr. Anita tests for all of 22 allergies (Foods & funguses) on the forearms within a span of an hour. Her charges are, as expected, quite steep too. I have invested in Dr. Anita because of the proven results elsewhere in the family with chronic problems. ** THE PARADOX OF OUR AGE WE HAVE BIGGER HOUSES AND SMALLER FAMILIES, MORE CONVENIENCES BUT LESS TIME. WE HAVE DEGREES BUT LESS SENSE, MORE KNOWLEDGE BUT LESS JUDGEMENT, MORE EXPERTS BUT MORE PROBLEMS, MORE MEDICINE BUT LESS HEALTHINESS. WE HAVE BEEN ALL THE WAY TO THE MOON AND BACK BUT HAVE TROUBLE CROSSING THE STREET TO MEET WITH OUR NEW NEIGHBOUR. WE BUILT MORE COMPUTERS TO HOLD MORE INFORMATION TO PRODUCE MORE COPIES THAN EVER, BUT HAVE LESS COMMUNICATION. WE HAVE BECOME LONG ON QUANTITY BUT SHORT ON QUALITY. THESE ARE TIMES OF FAST FOODS AND SLOW DIGESTION, OF TALL MEN AND SHORT CHARACTERS, OF STEEP PROFITS AND SHALLOW RELATIONSHIPS. IT IS TIME WHEN THERE IS MUCH IN THE WINDOWS AND NOTHING IN THE ROOM. ** His Holiness the XIV Dalai Lama --- ---Wanted for Goa--- honest ' fighters ' NOT honest ' hypocrites ' Contact: goasuraj (The Recruiting Agents) 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org
Re: [Goanet] Ten rupees is not much - you can't become rich!
I fully endorse Tony's views, on S.P. North Bosco George's integrity as well as the ten rupees collection. The intake is bribe money, read extortion. Whether it is rupee ten or ten crores, extortion is extortion. Imagin how open and unchallenged our borders have become for the movement of illegal and/or dangerous goods just for the price of rupee ten?? Goa has been the host for environmental poisons read hazardous wastes being transported from outside Goa in the name of being recycled at the Cuncolim Industrial Estate, a perfect way for Goa being the dumping ground. You walk in any wine shop and ask for scotch whiskey, whether it is Black Lable or Red lable. It is freely available. Open it and you have 'Industrial shit'. Is anyone bothered how this is so?Practically, one must be careful what one is buying from the liquor stores. No wonder young guys have become cancer and heart-bypass cases. Industrial alcohol rules the roost in Goa. All this cleansing can be done in less than a month and the rot laid-out on the open ground to dry out. GSRP has the will and the determination to do it. Only Goans must want it done. Needless to say that we are keenly watching in the belief that to sweep clean, the broom must be allowed to move freely without let or hindrance. floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Tony de Sa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goa's Premiere Mailing List, Estd 1994" Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 12:44 AM Subject: [Goanet] Ten rupees is not much - you can't become rich! Prudent Media has been carrying Pramod Acharya's interview with the S.P. (North), Bosco George. I have followed the video clip with interest. Before I comment on the clip, let me state that I do believe that the S.P. is as honest and straight as a policeman can get. I have no doubt about his sincerity however he did strike a single discordant note during the interview. While replying to a question regarding the policemen involved with taking bribes at Patradevi, he stated that he did not mind the ten rupees being taken and that the concerned PI wouldn't get rich by collecting ten rupees but that the security lapse was unforgivable. This is like saying that a drop of water in a shower is insignificant. True, but see the effect when they are cumulatively taken. A single drop graduates into a stream, then a river and an ocean. The ten rupees if accumulated could become a significant amount given the local newspaper estimates of the day's take being in the order of 20 - 30K rupees! Let's hope that the S.P. did not mean that seriously but rather let it slip otherwise it might be construed as condoning bribery! -- тσηу
[Goanet] Goa, Pune on hit list for Xmas-NY?
MIDDAY NEWS SERVICE 500 militants plan to enter India posing as fishermen By: J Dey Date: 2008-12-03 Mumbai: Fresh reports indicate that fidayeens are likely to carry out terror attacks in Goa and Pune on the eve of Christmas and New Year Mumbai police and the central intelligence agencies are questioning Azam Amir Kasab on the whereabouts of the 490-odd militants who were trained at the same camp in Pakistan as him. A copy of an intelligence report available with MiD DAY indicates that more than 500 terrorists plan to enter the country posing as fishermen. Kasab, the lone surviving terrorist in custody of the crime branch, has told the police that he is a Pakistani and had undergone training at a Lashkar camp in Pakistan. The questioning assumes significance in the wake of fresh reports that fidayeens plan to infiltrate Goa and Pune. A senior officer with the Anti-Terrorism Squad confirmed that Pune is on the hit list of the fidayeens because of the booming real estate in the city and its emergence as an IT hub. Goa was a terror target two years ago as well. The long coastline in Goa and the security loopholes there suit marine militants. Both Pune and Goa also have a large inflow of foreigners potential targets of the fidayeens. It is reported that the terrorists are likely to strike on the eve of Christmas and New Year. ISI training Interrogation of a few militants by the central intelligence agencies has revealed that the ISI along with the Navy is imparting training to LeT terrorists and other groups like the Hizbul Mujahideen and Jamait-e-Musalman. The fidayeens are taught to swim, handle large boats, lay mines in coastal zones and plant bombs under dams, bridges and ships. The final phase relates to training in navigational techniques, rescue operations, surveillance methods, concealment of explosives and underwater attacks on enemy targets and coastal vessels. Al-Qaeda threat in December '07 In December 2007, the al-Qaeda threatened to carry out terror attacks in Goa. Indian authorities decided to strengthen security in Goa after intelligence agencies warned of a 'Bali-like' attack, referring to the 2002 bombings that killed 202 people, many of them foreigners on vacation.Usually, tens of thousands of backpackers arrive in Goa in December to celebrate Christmas and New Year.
Re: [Goanet] Opposition
Joe, I have not heard more sensible argument than this. You are absolutely right. Let me add an example to what you have said. Governments are said to be elected to govern. To govern, there are a set of rules, laws and regulations. If these are left to the wind, there is no governance. How many of us who are now shouting, cursing, protesting, agitating have tried to keep the governments of their choices on the leash? We voted for our respective government and then we went to sleep, never bothering to see if the set of rules, laws and regulations were followed. Actually, we voted for governments not to follow the rules etc. It was easier on us that way. All of a sudden the whole thing has become a mess. We have become dispensable with migrants replacing our clout. It is like a python swallowing us feet down. It was cosy and warm while the going was good until it reached out neck, for suddenly we are beginning to be suffocated. This has what happened to us. Now we have started opposing just about everything in sight. We are right and we are wrong. But then this is the price we pay for our selfishness and indifference. We have failed to remain the watch-dogs of democracy, this criterion being the very essense it. It is happening to India after the Mumbai terror attacks with idiots who we let rule over us let us die. You have the vehicle and you have the road. But if you choose to drive off the road to take a short cut, you are eventualy going to get bogged down and fall short of your destination. More like it you will never make it. Goa is presently at this stage. I have made an appointment for tomorrow with a veteran - nonagenarian - a Goan to the core who has recently been honoured for his contribution to the Goan way of life. I am going to see him because he has written in the newspapers that if he was younger and fit, he would have helped to bring about a change in the way Goa is governed. I am going to ask him whether he is fit enough to spell out the recipe he has in mind. And I am going to ask him if something close to his recipe does exist, or can be put together, if he is willing to contribute his name to it. I have always been of the mind that Goa's destructive course can be changed/diverted for the better in less than a month. All that is required is the strongest of will and a backbone of steel. With jelly for the will and straw for the backbone, you get what you have. Oppose for the sake of opposing, more like it because every second person is opposing everything in sight. If you don't join in, then you are one of them and not one of us. So who am I to remain left-out?? Might as well join the band-wagon and benefit from it rather than be targetted and be victimized. The example I spoke about earlier is this: We, as a party had endorsed the candidature of Seby the Naxalite for Pale by-elections. And he had agreed to take on the gauntlet. But he was discouraged by his would be supporters (activists actually) who are solidly with him against the crimes of present-day mining. They have gotten the Congress re-elected. They were agitating under the Congress rule and they will continued to agitate for their demands under it, knowing fully well that their cries will be ignored. But then if they have nothing to agitate about, what will they do?? One has to have one's cake and eat it too. NO?? floriano goasuraj www.goasu-raj.org 9890470896 - Original Message - From: "JoeGoaUk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 5:41 PM Subject: [Goanet] Opposition Opposition No, I am not talking about Goa’s Opposition Party but the ‘opposition to anything and everywhere’ which has become a general trend in Goa now a days. It seems all our Gram Sabhas awakening now from the deep sleep with or without political motive or interferences etc You purchase the land, then takes necessary licenses and approvals involving lakhs of Rupees including paying bribes and then develop, starts constructions etc and 2-3 years later suddenly the Gram Sabha wakes up saying ‘We don’t want it here’ What is not opposed to in Goa now a days? Mega Housing Project? Well, it must be opposed. (Except in Taleigao) Football ground? Yes, it has to be opposed too. (thanks to the infightings between the Congress/NCP ministers) New Hospital ? Yes, that to be opposed too. (thanks to vested interests) Garbage treatment plant? No, not in our backyard. How about developing backward areas like Neura? National Winter Games 2011 (main venue) were to held here. Centre already sanction Rs.500 Crore for building up infrastructure etc. Guesh what? Now, Neura Gram Sabha opposing it too. (Thanks to Political interference like local MLA etc). So , tell me what is not ‘opposed’ now a days? Recently, IFFI organizing committee appointed a local youth (congress)l from Vasco as a convener
[Goanet] A lesson to be learnt
candidate) under the normal circumstances, if the Party has not instituted the CWCs [Constituency Working Committees]. We know that it is useless to fight elections seriously without 'grass-roots' organizations. So far what Goa Su-Raj was doing was the promotion of its objectives. This Party looks at the on-coming General Assembly Elections, whether they are held in 2012 or earlier, in utter seriousness, where it is mandatory that this party must field at least 25 to 30 candidates if it is going to send a positive signal to the people of Goa that it is, in all seriousness, ready to hold the helm of Goa's Governance to replace what ad-hoc'sm is going on since 1961. This Party shall not be bothered if none of the 25-30 candidates save their deposits, because this decision will be left to the people of Goa to make in short 'the Obama effect'. Now for the 'long-talked-about' set-procedures before elections. In a Constituency, the Party will nominate one Life-Members in every Village of a Constituency as its VR [Village Representative], a post that makes a member part and parcel of the 'General Body' of the Party. Once all the nominations are made, the Party oversees the election within the VRs to elect its President and its Secretary. The President elect is the candidate of the Party for the next election or by-election as the case may be. The Secretary is the substitute. No borrowing or planting outside person into the constituency as the Party's candidate. If the President of the CWC gets elected to be the MLA, his place as the CWC president is taken over by another person [no dual posts]. Therefore, the next candidate of this constituency for all practical purposes is the new president of the CWC. [No Second Term policy of the Party is enforced]. Now if the CWC or the Constituents feel that the MLA is to be given the 'second term', the incumbent president of the CWC must agree. If s/he does not agree, the case is rested. The MLA has no other alternative but to step aside to make way but also chip-in his best efforts to see the candidate elected. This is sealed thro' the Affidavit s/he will be signing with the Party prior to the ticket being given to him/her in the first place. We would like challenges to this above system of this Party from all qualified fronts to prove us wrong and to tell us that a situation just like the BJP's in Pale will arise out of this procedure. We shall be most happy to concede. Floriano Lobo General Secretary/Spokesperson, Goa Su-Raj Party. -- ---Wanted for Goa--- honest ' fighters ' NOT honest ' hypocrites ' Contact: goasuraj (The Recruiting Agents) 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org
Re: [Goanet] Special Status Hai hai!
Dear Soter, Hats off to you for this critique on the demand for Special Status for Goa that is now becoming a deafening whine. The question is: How come our politicians never thought of this unique status that Goa long deserved? We have heard the chants before from politicos saying "We will pull down Meta Strips brick by brick". And we have also seen other politicos, when bestowed the stripes of ministers in the government, forgetting their past utterances and give Meta Strips 'clean chits', meaning a highly (dioxin) polluting Industry suddenly becomes eco-friendly. What transformation ! It has been documented that in Japan, a very nice, eco-friendly looking factory using a process of high compression to reduce scrap plastics into plastic bales, boasting ample green lawns etc on its premises was the cause of a slow disaster for the neighbourhood population where even women started growing hair on their faces (hormonal changes), not to mention other ill effects like impotency in men, developing cancer causing ulcers etc. This issue was even raised in the Goa Assembly by Dr. Wilfred D'Souza, waving the 'Time Magazine' where this Japanese incident was reported. (BTW it was we at goasuraj that had made the Magazine available to the good Doctor to fortify his arguments against Meta Strips in the then ongoing gruelling debate in the Assembly). Goans needed Special Status a long time ago. So also we needed a special IAS corps for Goa. Did anybody bother? Would things be different if there was a simple transposition between Dayanand Bandodkar and Dr. Jack De Sequeira? Did Goa miss the bus altogether in its formative years as a democratic state? Have Goans been taken for a jolly good ride, blinding us even to accept the routing of Goa's pride 'The Unique Institutions of Gaunkaries - the Comunidades???" Will Goa get its Comunidades back with this so called Special Status? We at goasuraj believe that if we Goans give a strong enough and a qualified fight to wrench back our comunidades from the destructive hands of these puppets governments of the day, we will have attained a special status to most extent. That will mean that the illegality that the Union of India has forced on Goa, diluting Goa's land ownerships and thereby diluting Goa's comunidades, will be exposed. It must be remembered that the stupid Panchayati Raj that is forced on Goa is much too inferior to the clout that Goa's comunidades had in administration of this territory. Any progressive state will want to cling to its superior administrative jurisdictions. But No. How then the jack of all trades and con artists get to perform with pseudo importance??? Goans need to think, and think really hard before they lose the gems that have been handed out to them by their slogging peers. Things had not come easy to them. But surely things have come to us, the present generations, easy, so we can afford to squander them with contempt, much to the merriment and delight of userpers and con artists who play the fool being in the shoes of the lawmakers and rulers. floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "soter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 11:23 PM Subject: [Goanet] Special Status Hai hai! Special Status Hai Hai! Attaining Special Status for Goa is definitely the need of the hour. But in an emotionally charged up atmosphere are Goans preparing themselves for yet another betrayal by politicians? Goans have witnessed betrayals time and again, be it with Konkanni, meta strips or with the promise of cleam governance. about freezing population are made, but there is not a sound about freezing land conversions, construction and mining. Because this is where the money for Goa's dirty and corrupt politics is generated. Seeing priests dancing on these platforms should not lead Goans to conclude that the movement is genuine. 'Codepedency' in addiction can affect anyone including priests if they are afflicted by a denial of the truth which is a symptom of addiction that prevents recovery. Will 'Special Status' be the agenda of the BJP in the next elections and are the grounds being prepared for this? Just wait and watch. -soter d'souza
[Goanet] Press Note issued to Goa's dailies & Internet D/Lists
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your Goa-based media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] November 12, 2008 From: Goa Su-Raj Party H.O.: 383A Pirazona, Moira-Bardez-Goa. To: The Editor/Admin, Navhind Times/Herald/GT/Gomantak/Navprapha/Pudhari Goa/Tarun Bharat/ Sunaparant/TOI/Goan Observer/Goa Today/Ixtt/Gulab/Goanet/Goa World Today/Gulf Goans/ Goa Goans/ Canada Goans Sir, The Goa Su-Raj Party denounces the brutal police action on the villagers of Colamb in Quepem taluka today, yet one more time for peacefully protesting against illegal mining operations in the area resulting in the depletion of their natural green cover and vital fresh water resources, a preoccupation that is bringing the people on the roads. The Goa Su-Raj Party believes that Goa's rich mineral resources is the Gift of God to Goa and Goans. If it's extraction does not benefit the people, but on the contrary, it's mining operations makes their lives miserable, let these mineral resources lie where it is undisturbed and untouched, irrespective of whether the Government of Goa or the Central government likes it or not. In solidarity with the people of Colamb Sd/- Floriano C. Lobo General Secretary/Spokesperson GoaSu-Raj Party 9890470896
Re: [Goanet] Listed as freedom fighter by whom?
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your Goa-based media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Teotonio, You must realise that floriano is never a mudslinger. I have always gone by bare facts. I will say it again for your own benefit as the ex- director of Historical Research in Goa that BANDODKAR was a declared certified Freedom Fighter. That was because he was inside the can for approximately 15 or so days. You must know that most of Goa's mine-owners were paying protection money to over the border satyagrahis. And those mine-owners who were refusing to pay such protection money used to get blown off. Capitao Rombo, the police intelligence chief at that time had rounded up certain mine-owners including Bandodkar and canned them just to get the information over the satyagrahis whom they were paying protection. Bandodkar lost his marbles in the can after a few days and wanted to sing like a canary. He was reading the circulating book in the prison to pass time. Book called Dnyaneshwari. Bandodkar had written to Capitao Rombo in his broken Portuguese a letter that he was ready to squeal his guts for clemency. Unfortunately, he had folded that piece of paper into the book he was reading. When the book was asked for by the next prison mate, Bandodkar handed over the book forgetting that the letter to Ct. Rombo was folded in it. That is how the letter was passed on between the prisoners and Bandodkar was exposed. Now I put the onus on you, Teo, to do the research and prove me wrong. And should you prove me wrong about Bandodkar not listed as Goa's freedom fighter, then I am ready to apologise. Incase you need to know how contorted is the freedom struggle history written by (late) Manohar Sardessai which history writing was paid for by the Government of Goa, then you better keep your ears open to listento what I have got to say. This is goasuraj and goasuraj is not in the business of cheap mudslinging. Infact I will want your apology over this statement :-)) B/rgds floriano goasuraj 9890470896 PS. My resources are impeccable. A hint: Freedom Fighters Purshotam Sinari of Ribandar; Doutor Manuel Fernandes, who will not be found listed in the history written by Manohar Sardessai. Because Manohar Sardessai did not want to record the true history as it happened. He has gone on to please the charlatans in the freedom fighting movement. This is why I have repeatedly said that Goa's bunch of freedom fighters and pension eaters have failed Goa. - Original Message - From: "Teotonio R. de Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 8859 12:00 AM Subject: [Goanet] Listed as freedom fighter by whom? Dear Floriano, Following my earlier response to your posting please let us know where did you find Bandodkar listed as freedom fighter. Or is it a gratuitous statement for others to prove? I feel that Goanet is ceasing to be a credible forum when it is converted into a space for easy and irresponsible mudslinging exercises.
Re: [Goanet] The OBAMA effect
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your Goa-based media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you, Ed. Most appreciated. floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "edward desilva" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 5:44 PM Subject: [Goanet] The OBAMA effect The OBAMA effect goasuraj Sun Nov 9 00:22:41 PST 2008 -- Excellent, well said. ED.
Re: [Goanet] Bernado, Florian in a muddle over Sinari's Portuguese daughter!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your Goa-based media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Tony, You must remember Floriano cannot be led, he leads. Freedom fighters of Goa have failed Goa and failed Goa miserably at that. This is because genuine freedom fighters like Sinari, perhaps, instead of using their worn-out brains at the fag-end of their lives, industriously, are seen to be led by pariahs like Nagesh Karmali and others. I heard Sinari talk on the cable tv and I have reason to believe that his support for this poster protest has been roped-in by people like Naguesh Karmali who have been floating in scum all their lives and couldn't or wouldn't raise a finger to stop Goa's slide into the gutters. WHAT FREEDOM FIGHT? WHAT FREEDOM FIGHTERS? I believe Naguesh is a fluent Portuguese speaker. Let him cut his own tongue out if he means serious business against the portuguese culture in Goa. floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Anthony M Barreto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:14 PM Subject: [Goanet] Bernado,Florian in a muddle over Sinari's Portuguese daughter! What hypocrisy are Bernado Colaco and Florian Lobo talking about? Looks like they have lost it. Prabhakar Sinari's daughter can obviously marry who and where she wants? Bernado looks like he is talking about some unforgiveable crime when he says: "moreover this girl is married to the white race." (Oh my God! :>) I would not call it hypocisy even if say after the freedom struggle Mr Prabhakar Sinari himself had fancied a Portuguese girl and married her. Issues are different from individuals and their likes and tastes. Well known Freedom Fighter of the “Eu Protesto” (I protest) fame, Dr Pundalik Gaitonde from Canaconais married to a Portuguese if I am not mistaken. I am surprised Bernado has led Florian so easily into an obvious mudddle. Regards Tony Martin
Re: [Goanet] The OBAMA effect
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your Goa-based media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Mario, At the outset, I must make it clear to you that I am not going to contest what you have stated. Mostly, I do agree with your excellent analysis and I have realized that I have perhaps made use of wrong words. I am no expert on American politics and neither am I conversant with Obama's history or for that matter McCain's. The point I wanted to make is that 'this American election was electrically charged with the electoral college votes doing the heap up job as never before on Obama's side largely accredited to the youth of America. And I have seen the fever in their eyes at the Chicago's Grand Park. Obama, as you rightly point out, belongs to the Democratic pipeline and will roll out in the manner the pipeline is built with all its inherent bends and twists. If he is going to do the plumbing job on the pipeline to straighten his trajectory, and if at all he will be allowed to do so, is a million dollar question. All that I have been hinting at is that Goa must experience a similar electrically charged atmosphere during the next Goa's Assembly elections. Goa Su-Raj is dye-cast into a model by itself and can hardly afford to adopt Obama as a role model or shift its selling point from one to another. No sir! This will not be done and cannot be done. All that it needs is the Obama type electrically charged election in Goa where Goan youth will play the same role that the youth of America played to get Obama victorious. In any case, even if the Republicans wanted to have a grip on Obama's winning streak, they couldn't. Cause this particular elections was far too slippery than anyone could imagine. It just slid nay slipped out of hand. And that is exactly what Goa needs with the 'System of Governance' put in place on paper with co-relating procedures to match it all the way. For Goa's Obama will not be any one particular charismatic person or persons. If that happens, then surely Goa is doomed to stay failed. Goa's Obama must be the 'System ' that Goa Su-Raj has put in place which is beyond the challenging distance from the 'systems' run by BJP, Congress or both collectively. And just like in the case of Obama's victory which is directly a result of the participation by the mass of youth, Goa needs to follow in the same footsteps or remain unchanged a failure. floriano goasuraj 9890470896 - Original Message - From: "Mario Goveia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 11:00 PM Subject: [Goanet] The OBAMA effect Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:52:41 +0530 From: "goasuraj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The world sat up shock-surprised to watch the Barack Obama phenomenon dismantling the over two century old tradition of electing the white-man into the Oval Office. Mario observes: Floriano, You make it sound as if there was some conspiracy to elect only white men to the Oval Office, rather than the emergence of a likely candidate who happens to be half-black. If he was Indian he may have been using skin lightening creams. . I'm not saying Obama is personally corrupt, his personal odyssey is inspiring, but the Chicago political tradition he comes from is corrupt, so I would be careful of using his political background as a model for Goa Suraj.
Re: [Goanet] The OBAMA effect
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your Goa-based media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Mario, At the outset, I must make it clear to you that I am not going to contest what you have stated. Mostly, I do agree with your excellent analysis and I have realized that I have perhaps made use of wrong words. I am no expert on American politics and neither am I conversant with Obama's history or for that matter McCain's. The point I wanted to make is that 'this American election was electrically charged with the electoral college votes doing the heap up job as never before on Obama's side largely accredited to the youth of America. And I have seen the fever in their eyes at the Chicago's Grand Park. Obama, as you rightly point out, belongs to the Democratic pipeline and will roll out in the manner the pipeline is built with all its inherent bends and twists. If he is going to do the plumbing job on the pipeline to straighten his trajectory, and if at all he will be allowed to do so, is a million dollar question. All that I have been hinting at is that Goa must experience a similar electrically charged atmosphere during the next Goa's Assembly elections. Goa Su-Raj is dye-cast into a model by itself and can hardly afford to adopt Obama as a role model or shift its selling point from one to another. No sir! This will not be done and cannot be done. All that it needs is the Obama type electrically charged election in Goa where Goan youth will play the same role that the youth of America played to get Obama victorious. In any case, even if the Republicans wanted to have a grip on Obama's winning streak, they couldn't. Cause this particular elections was far too slippery than anyone could imagine. It just slid nay slipped out of hand. And that is exactly what Goa needs with the 'System of Governance' put in place on paper with co-relating procedures to match it all the way. For Goa's Obama will not be any one particular charismatic person or persons. If that happens, then surely Goa is doomed to stay failed. Goa's Obama must be the 'System ' that Goa Su-Raj has put in place which is beyond the challenging distance from the 'systems' run by BJP, Congress or both collectively. And just like in the case of Obama's victory which is directly a result of the participation by the mass of youth, Goa needs to follow in the same footsteps or remain unchanged a failure. floriano goasuraj 9890470896 - Original Message - From: "Mario Goveia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 11:00 PM Subject: [Goanet] The OBAMA effect Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:52:41 +0530 From: "goasuraj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The world sat up shock-surprised to watch the Barack Obama phenomenon dismantling the over two century old tradition of electing the white-man into the Oval Office. Mario observes: Floriano, You make it sound as if there was some conspiracy to elect only white men to the Oval Office, rather than the emergence of a likely candidate who happens to be half-black. If he was Indian he may have been using skin lightening creams. . I'm not saying Obama is personally corrupt, his personal odyssey is inspiring, but the Chicago political tradition he comes from is corrupt, so I would be careful of using his political background as a model for Goa Suraj.
[Goanet] The OBAMA effect
rprise of the concerned citizen. And as an explanation this advice was offered. "You have before you a full-fledged written down "System of Governance" and the window to the pursuance of policies for Goa w.r.t. all aspects. You are a citizen faced with a choice. You satisfy yourself first before you commit yourself. Don't do it because so and so is a member. This 'System' needs the following for life if it is to mean anything. And this 'System' needs to be further improved and improvised.. If you join in because someone of substance has joined, you will want to leave if that person leaves. We discourage 'herd mentality'. We are in serious business of changing Goa's 'dirty politics' to 'clean politics'. Needless to say the response was well taken. -- ---Wanted for Goa--- honest ' fighters ' NOT honest ' hypocrites ' Contact: goasuraj (The Recruiting Agents) 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org
Re: [Goanet] Prabakar Sinari's daughter a Portuguese citizen
I fully endorse BC on this (though I might not look eye to eye with him on most other things). If what BC has reported is true, which I will find out soon, I shall speak to Sinari again like I have spoken to him before. I have a special neck to deal with fake freedom fighters and it is not to say that they do not like my tongue. Flavian Dias has tasted it before during his sucking up to the BJP and the VCD on freedom struggle. floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Bernado Colaco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:37 AM Subject: [Goanet] Prabakar Sinari's daughter a Portuguese citizen Close sources to BC inform me that Sinari once from the Azad Gomantak Dal a terrorist organization has a daughter who is a Portuguese citizen, moreover this girl is married to the white race. If this is all true one wonders if the word hypocrisy has any meaning. The latest ranting by these fake freedom fighters is their last gasp since they are in the last journey of their lives and having done anything for Goa for the past 46 years. Since 61 Goa is in an abyss of crime and corruption. The democracy installed in Goa is hijacked by those in power to rape and maim freely. Fundacao Oriente is in Goa after the infamous contract between Portugal and Bharat in 1976. In this contract Goa was sold to the bharatis. Today we see the results. BC
Re: [Goanet] The opposition from the Freedom Fighters
And what do the freedom fighters got to show us Goans rather than collecting their pension cheques , asking for govt jobs for their next of kins, and blackening of Portuguese road name plaques? and showing-off their huge ignorance about the modern world with their canned brains with the hate for the Portuguese, where Portuguese themselves were the victims? These ilk of Goa's spurious freedom fighters should be banished from the Goan soil once and for all. We shall do it if given half a chance (goasuraj) One of them is Naguesh Karmali. I have personally openly challenged his holding the directorship of TB Cunha Institution in Panjim (where he was present) and have suggested that he be thrown out since he was a blot on TB Cunha's face because he was the mastermind of the Fontainhas mess-up. He had no guts to respond to my charges. And this darpook has fought for GOA??? when he could not defend himself in his own house? I understand Sam talking in favour of FFs because he is the son of the FF. But Goa needs to cull real FFs from the fake ones ( like Karmali) and denude them of all the past privileges given at the cost of us, the tax payers. GOA will have and will maintain good relations with Portugal whether these blind, closed, senile so called Goa's Freedom fighters like it or not. The onus is on the real FFs (if they exist) to salvage their honour by de-associating themselves from these loud mouth pariahs. Note: Maria Aurora Couto was present at the TB Cunha Hall when I tore Karmali to pieces publicly. Her article appears on this week's 'NT Panorama captioned "GOA & PORTUGAL -- Looking Ahead ". Goans must read this to know and recognize the closed mindset of the pariah FFs who make placard noises to authenticate their pensions. And when Sam asks: "Does Portugal count in today's world first of all ?" my qualified response is 'Yes' very much and any time, face to face with today's India whose leadership has no backbone to stop innocent people getting killed, injured, maimed, burnt alive and their houses destroyed by the BJP-Shiv Sena sheltered thugs running amok. Look at what Khuswant Singh has to say about these leaders in his piece on the NT Panorama (today's) captioned 'Goonda Raj' For Sam's information His and My India is today a mess called SHAME, reduced to this status by pea-brained peacocks strutting in high positions with their back-sides open to show no substance :-)) This includes Manmohan Singh and Sonia Aunty. floriano goasuraj 9890470896 - Original Message - From: "Samir Kelekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 10:57 PM Subject: [Goanet] The opposition from the Freedom Fighters Portuguese slave oops citizen Paulo Colaco Dias writes some good things about democracy, but then he calls freedom fighters who opposed this so called "celebration" fake. Would anyone in their sane minds celebrate their mother's rape ? That is what happened to us 450 years back, but perverse mentalities have sprung up celebrating such rape nowadays. Naguesh Karmali gave most of his young life for Goa's freedom. Digambar Kamat and his corrupt cronies are now reaping the fruit. And activitist are hiding away when elections come near. And the Jose Colacos are dancing their kathakalis sucking up to Portugal. Does Portugal count in today's world first of all ? I mean other than wine and football what do they have to show regards, Samir
Re: [Goanet] GOA: Lawyer's bid to clean Augean stable -Comments
ions exhibited in the initial stages do not take a walk around later , like we have seen happening most of the time. "Declare what needs to be done and then go ahead doing just that" . a suggested example .. the Constitution and the Road Map for Goa of Goa Su-Raj Party. (refer www.goasu-raj.org) Of late, it has come to our notice theough impeccable sources that Dr. Oscar Rebello, the Ex-convenor of the GBA [Goa Bachao Abhiyan] has begun to have misgivings to his earlier 'stoic and determined' stand to remain 'apolitical'. He is believed to have said " We (GBA) made a mistake. "We should have taken the political route". Too late is it not Dr. Rebello? Did we not tell you that you must contest the Panjim seat in 2007 elections, that too a week before the GBA was formed?? Can we afford to remain apolitical and feel the pressure on our pants being taken off with brazen daylight robberies such as the above? Is there the need for everyone to get into the race of electoral politics? Is there no role to be played by 'King Makers' who will ensure that once the King is installed in the driver's seat, he will handle the steering wheel in the manner that the vehicle does not go over the CLIFF through drunken driving? 'Will there be no bold board put on the dash-board of the vehicle to announce 'NO ALCOHOL PLEASE' meaning 'DO NOT GET INTOXICATED WITH POWER OF BEING THE KING AND RELAPSE INTO RASH DRIVING'?? such as the type of driving we have seen with Manohar Parrikar at the steering wheel? If all the seemingly good people of Goa want to try this bitter medicine, the Goa Su-Raj Party will also stand in line for a toke, bacause, it took birth toasting to this bitter medicine and saying ' to our health.Cheers'. No, if you, all the good people of Goa do not want to be the 'kattar' politician OR join a 'kuttar' political organization, then it is fine. Get behind the CITIZENS' [OF GOA] INITIATIVE which is designed not to have a permanent or fixed 'Head' (in order to avoid its inevitable roll and give a set-back to the movement thereof) but a rotating one; where every citizen member dips his/her hand into the pocket to whatever extent to fund its onward march in the understanding that 'small money from a lot of people makes better sense that a lot of money from one person' and go ahead to achieve what the massive gathering of hungry Goan people had gathered around the 'Azad Maidan' in Panjim on 18 December, 2006. Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that it is inevitable that this route be traversed and kept well in use not to allow shrubs and grass growing over it after just one monsoon? Cheers ! floriano goasuraj
[Goanet] Press note from Goa Su-Raj Party Re: Minorities and Majorities.
The Goa Su-Raj Party is intrigued by two reports appearing in the newspapers concurrently with the following headlines: 1. NCP convention asks govt to implement Sachar report (on Minorities). 2. Parrikar urges minorities to return BJP back to power. First, the NCP is part of the UPA coalition government at the Center and therefore it can easily work towards the end that it seeks rather than voice its demands at petty meetings. Second, the BJP in Goa is clearly seen as trying its best to woo the 'Muslim' vote and begging the so called 'minorities' to return it to power once again. The moot question to Shri. Manohar Parrikar is: 'If the majority is with you, why do you need the minority?' The Goa Su-Raj Party refuses to recognize minorities and majorities in the context of 'governance' and believes that every individual citizen is entitled to his/her rights irrespective of his/her faith, to be true to the SECULAR spirit of the Indian Constitution, and therefore, denounces the see-through attempts by political parties to fool the people at all times with their hidden agendas of appeasements in order to occupy the seats of power. The Goa Su-Raj Party believes that people have basic intelligence to identify the 'wolf' even if it tries to pass off as the 'sheep' donning sheep's clothing. Floriano Lobo General Secretary & Spokesman, Goa Su-Raj Party Telephone: 2266111 / 2470223 / 9890470896 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Goanet] OPEN LETTER TO THE GOVERNOR OF GOA
August 22, 2008 To, Shri. S.S. Sidhu, Governor of Goa, Raj Bhavan, Dona Paula - Goa. Via Fax-2453510 & 2451271(confirmed receipt) Your Excellency, Subject: 'Open Letter'Re: Insensitive and Arrogant Raj Bhavan staff. It is with sadness in my heart that I am writing to your Excellency, so that you may take note of how things stand as far as the behaviour of the staff employed at the esteemed Raj Bhavan is concerned. I am specifically naming two officers of your staff, namely Shri. Nikhil Kumar, Secretary, and Major Manish, the' Aide de Camp' [ADC] I shall want to take you back to the day of your recent oath- taking ceremony as the Governor of Goa. It was my privilege to have attended this function as the special invitee of the Raj Bhavan along with other distinguished dignitaries. I must draw your kind attention to the oral request I made of you when I shook your hand and welcomed you to Goa, which exchange I shall want to quote and unquote, so that you may remember. Quote Welcome to Goa, your Excellency. I am the General Secretary of a small political Party. And I must warn you that Goa looks very beautiful from the outside, especially during the monsoons. But the fact is that Goa is very filthy/dirty from the inside. We need your Excellency's help to clean it up. Unquote GOA SU-RAJ PARTY - PAGE 2 Coming back to the topic of this communication, it is in connection with the very clean-up operations that I had talked to your Excellency as above, that on 4th August, 2008, I visited the esteemed Raj Bhavan along with five members of the family including the mother, brother and sister of Shri. Dominic Savio Coutinho, who died recently under tragic and mysterious circumstances at his residence in Canacona, South Goa, allegedly murdered. The family members were in Panjim to meet with the IGP, Shri. Kishan Kumar at the Police Headquarters, the meeting having been arranged by me, to find out as to why the F.I.R. was not being filed, in spite of the tell tale evidence being available that Shri. Dominic Savio could have been murdered due to rivalry/dispute regarding property matters. Under the aegis of CITIZEN' [OF GOA] INITIATIVE, and as the Convenor of this Initiative, I had made a letter-representation to the IGP, marking copies thereof to various other officials including your Excellency, requesting speedy initiation of serious investigations into the mysterious death of this young lad through the Crime Branch before vital evidence was lost, apprehending possible heavy POLITICAL PRESSURE. It was in order to hand-over (or rather to in-ward) the said copy of the letter-representation that I had gone to the esteemed Raj Bhavan along with the family members of the deceased Dominic Savio Coutinho in the hope that they could, if possible, get to see you. The Secretary, Raj Bhavan, Shri. Nikhil Kumar explained the impossibility of such a meeting at short notice without prior appointment and suggested we approach the ADC to fix one for later. The ADC in turn got himself familiarized with the situation at hand and promised to get back to me with the appointment date as soon as possible, after making sure that the copy of the letter-representation to your Excellency was registered in the inward register. Since the family members of the deceased were calling me on every day basis to enquire if the appointment was procured, I was in constant telephonic touch with the Raj Bhavan, only to be told that Your Excellency was not available, was in Delhi, one thing or the other, with a promise to get back to me if I would I leave my contact number. etc, of which I was beginning to get tired knowing fully well that these were the usual delay tactics. On 19th. August, 2008, I telephoned the Raj Bhavan several times and sought to speak with the ADC. I was told on numerous occasions to call again and again citing reasons that the ADC was busy. Tired of getting lame excuses, I asked to speak to Shri. Nikhil Kumar, the Secretary, since I had known him when he was previously holding the charge as the Collector, North. To my astonishment, Shri. Nikhil Kumar spoke to me arrogantly when I explained to him the day's events and how my efforts to obtain an appointment with Your Excellency, the Governor of Goa were mishandled. I must say that there GOA SU-RAJ PARTY - PAGE 3 ensued a heated argument ending in my telling the Secretary that he should allow me to talk to your Excellency, direct. My next call to the ADC [Major Manish] was received with more arrogance to the extent that Major Manish chose to remind me that I was talking to an army man. A rather excellent atmosphere has been vitiated for nothing at all to the extent that I am beginning to think if it is worth-while having a 'God Almighty' Governor as the head of the State at all, in a purely democratic system of governance like ours, and, if the Governor's staff is allowed to act high and mighty towards an ordinary cit
[Goanet] OPEN LETTER TO THE GOVERNOR OF GOA
August 22, 2008 To, Shri. S.S. Sidhu, Governor of Goa, Raj Bhavan, Dona Paula - Goa. Via Fax-2453510 & 2451271(confirmed receipt) Your Excellency, Subject: 'Open Letter'Re: Insensitive and Arrogant Raj Bhavan staff. It is with sadness in my heart that I am writing to your Excellency, so that you may take note of how things stand as far as the behaviour of the staff employed at the esteemed Raj Bhavan is concerned. I am specifically naming two officers of your staff, namely Shri. Nikhil Kumar, Secretary, and Major Manish, the' Aide de Camp' [ADC] I shall want to take you back to the day of your recent oath- taking ceremony as the Governor of Goa. It was my privilege to have attended this function as the special invitee of the Raj Bhavan along with other distinguished dignitaries. I must draw your kind attention to the oral request I made of you when I shook your hand and welcomed you to Goa, which exchange I shall want to quote and unquote, so that you may remember. Quote Welcome to Goa, your Excellency. I am the General Secretary of a small political Party. And I must warn you that Goa looks very beautiful from the outside, especially during the monsoons. But the fact is that Goa is very filthy/dirty from the inside. We need your Excellency's help to clean it up. Unquote GOA SU-RAJ PARTY - PAGE 2 Coming back to the topic of this communication, it is in connection with the very clean-up operations that I had talked to your Excellency as above, that on 4th August, 2008, I visited the esteemed Raj Bhavan along with five members of the family including the mother, brother and sister of Shri. Dominic Savio Coutinho, who died recently under tragic and mysterious circumstances at his residence in Canacona, South Goa, allegedly murdered. The family members were in Panjim to meet with the IGP, Shri. Kishan Kumar at the Police Headquarters, the meeting having been arranged by me, to find out as to why the F.I.R. was not being filed, in spite of the tell tale evidence being available that Shri. Dominic Savio could have been murdered due to rivalry/dispute regarding property matters. Under the aegis of CITIZEN' [OF GOA] INITIATIVE, and as the Convenor of this Initiative, I had made a letter-representation to the IGP, marking copies thereof to various other officials including your Excellency, requesting speedy initiation of serious investigations into the mysterious death of this young lad through the Crime Branch before vital evidence was lost, apprehending possible heavy POLITICAL PRESSURE. It was in order to hand-over (or rather to in-ward) the said copy of the letter-representation that I had gone to the esteemed Raj Bhavan along with the family members of the deceased Dominic Savio Coutinho in the hope that they could, if possible, get to see you. The Secretary, Raj Bhavan, Shri. Nikhil Kumar explained the impossibility of such a meeting at short notice without prior appointment and suggested we approach the ADC to fix one for later. The ADC in turn got himself familiarized with the situation at hand and promised to get back to me with the appointment date as soon as possible, after making sure that the copy of the letter-representation to your Excellency was registered in the inward register. Since the family members of the deceased were calling me on every day basis to enquire if the appointment was procured, I was in constant telephonic touch with the Raj Bhavan, only to be told that Your Excellency was not available, was in Delhi, one thing or the other, with a promise to get back to me if I would I leave my contact number. etc, of which I was beginning to get tired knowing fully well that these were the usual delay tactics. On 19th. August, 2008, I telephoned the Raj Bhavan several times and sought to speak with the ADC. I was told on numerous occasions to call again and again citing reasons that the ADC was busy. Tired of getting lame excuses, I asked to speak to Shri. Nikhil Kumar, the Secretary, since I had known him when he was previously holding the charge as the Collector, North. To my astonishment, Shri. Nikhil Kumar spoke to me arrogantly when I explained to him the day's events and how my efforts to obtain an appointment with Your Excellency, the Governor of Goa were mishandled. I must say that there GOA SU-RAJ PARTY - PAGE 3 ensued a heated argument ending in my telling the Secretary that he should allow me to talk to your Excellency, direct. My next call to the ADC [Major Manish] was received with more arrogance to the extent that Major Manish chose to remind me that I was talking to an army man. A rather excellent atmosphere has been vitiated for nothing at all to the extent that I am beginning to think if it is worth-while having a 'God Almighty' Governor as the head of the State at all, in a purely democratic system of governance like ours, and, if the Governor's staff is allowed to act high and mighty towards an ordinary cit
Re: [Goanet] IDENTITY THE PRIORITY
Does a rolling stone ever collect moss?? What does one expect from 'jokers' ( a shame to call them politicians) who cannot see beyond pouring of concrete and vote-bank deposit vaults?? floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Arwin Mesquita" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goanet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:01 PM Subject: [Goanet] IDENTITY THE PRIORITY Goa's Chief Minister is asking Goans to choose between Preserving Our Identity & Development. Let us be very clear; Goans voted to preserve Goa's Unique Identity at the Opinion Poll and are demanding for the same today. Goa can develop whilst maintaining its unique identity. Critical Issues of Mega Projects, SEZ's, Land Sales to Non-Goans, Uncontrolled Migrant Influx, Konkani, Toothless/Faulty Employment policy favouring outsiders etc have be addressed and resolved immediately. I hope the CM Digambar Kamat & the Congress Government realise that our patience is running thin; let us force our MLA's to act or resign!! Arwin Mesquita, UAE. -- Please post your comments on my Blog: http://goanidentity.blogspot.com/ -- Please post your comments on my Blog: http://goanidentity.blogspot.com/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/696 - Release Date: 8/19/2008 12:00 AM
Re: [Goanet] Goan friends earn A-levels
This comment has no context whtsoever with the topic under discussion. Hope Goan expats are not judged on such quality of intelligence. If so, then it will be show-case for Goa's past, present and future doom. floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Bernado Colaco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: [Goanet] Goan friends earn A-levels One wonders if Goa Suraj is selling bananas from a the banana republic? BC Take India's one billion population. Write off half as poor to abject poor. That is 500 million of potential blue collar work-force which is double the entire population of the US. Take out half of the remaining 500 million as blue/white collar population which keeps 250 million of very rich - rich and well to do. Now take out just 50 million out of 250 million as very rich to rich leaving behind a mind bogling 200 million of well to do. This is almost the entire population of the US who can afford luxuries in life and therefore the front line consumers of imported products. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/696 - Release Date: 8/19/2008 12:00 AM
[Goanet] SEBASTIAN RODRIGUES - CONGRATULATIONS - YOU HAVE MADE US PROUD
SEBASTIAN REPRESENTS INDIA AT PEOPLE'SS A A R C IN COLOMBO Gomantak Times August 18, 2008 Panjim: Sebastian Rodrigues, co-ordinator of MAND, an Adivasi-rights Resource Centre, an initiative of Gawda, Kunbi, Velip and Dhangar Federation (GAKUVED) represented India at South Asian People's Assembly (People's SAARC - 2008) at Colombo, Sri Lanka recently. The three day programme was attended by around 3000 cultural and social activists from various South Asian and South East Asian countries such as Bangladesh, Nepal, Pakistan, Bhutan, Maldives, Sri Lanka, Burma, Afghanistan, India and Philippines. Sebastian participated in workshop titled "Democracy and Governance/People's participation" where in he made presentation of the Indian situation with special reference to tagging of various activists by the state agencies as terrorists, smugglers, and Naxalites. He narrated his personal experience after being tagged as 'Naxalite' by the Leader of the Opposition Manohar Parrikar from Goa on June 19 at the ad-hoc committee meeting of the Home Department. Large number of international delegates expressed solidarity with Sebastian and various movements in Goa opposing Open Cast Mining, Real Estates, and Special Economic Zones (SEZ). Sebastian in turn expressed support to various democratic movements taking place in Sri Lanka, Maldives, Bhutan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Burma and Pakistan. He also expressed solidarity with tagged activists of India particularly Dr. Binayak Sen of Rupantar, Chattisgargh that has been tagged as terrorist and put behind bar, Leo Saldanha of Environment Support Group (ESG), Bangalore, Karnataka that has been branded as sandalwood smuggler, and Roma Chawdury of National Forum of Forest People and Forest Workers (NFFPFW) in Uttar Pradesh booked, arrested and released under National Security Act (NSA). Further Sebastian participated in workshops dealing with 'Democracy Movement in Burma' and 'Disability Rights in South Asia. COMMENTS Sebastian, you have made us Goans who want to put 'Democracy on the Wheels' in India and throughout the world, PROUD. Thank you for exposing the party that you truly belong to, to the whole world. Viva Goa Su-Raj Party - 'The Truly 'Good Governance Party' floriano lobo General Secretary/Spokesman GSRP
Re: [Goanet] A participatory process called elections
I am terribly happy to note what Samir has to say in this post, not so much for saluting me but for defining the 'participatory process'. A minor correction though. The year is 2007, not 2005. I have always taken the stand that those who call themselves 'apolitical' are cowards of the first order because they will not actively work against the powerful candidates or chor parties fearing reprisals against their illegal activities later if and when the crook gets elected, and/or conniving masterminds aiding the crooks and rogues to sustain their illegal activities. If one is straight I don't understand why one has to fear anyone at all. My reasoning is: You have got a paid servant for your house. And you notice that the servant is not only walking off with things from the house at ease but also gives you big lectures and threatens you with dire consequences if you object. And you let this continue? The next thing the servant should be doing is to cut you into pieces, pack you in a gunny sack and drop you off in the gutters, instead of you do it to the servant. That is for being useless and unfit to be the owner of the house APOLITICAL Hurrah. Being political does not mean that one has to contest elections. Being political means one has to see that a person with conscience and a will to improve the general governance which directly affects your life is, first, forced to contest and second, see that he/she gets elected by working towards his/her election, even paying from your pocket towards that end. The classic example of being apolitical is given by Anand Madgaonkar of PMCA/GBA, in one of his letters to editor in the NT to which I have responded "Let anyone get elected. We shall tackle him/her after that" . (I do hope he can tackle Babush Monserrate or Tony Rodrigues). Today, I have called Lambert Mascarehas and congratulated him for coming out as 'political'. with his "POLITICAL PARTY OF MY DREAMS" in NT Panorama of today. "Try and write a constitution of your new party which is better than the one Goa Su-Raj goes by" I have told him, "and I shall salute you" . Indirectly, this is a standing challenge to those who want to float new political parties in Goa. floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Samir Kelekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 10:05 AM Subject: [Goanet] A participatory process called elections Ms. Coelho has nicely argued the difference between reactionary participation and pro-active participation in the planning process. Soter has trashed Floriano just for reading the Interim Plan document and expressing his views which differ from that of the GBA. Now I have a question: We have a great participatory process in our democracy. It is called elections. Can any of the GBA honchos tell me why in 2005 the GBA abandoned this participatory process and left the field to the rogues? The participatory process mentioned by Ms. Coelho sounds great but when you abandon elections and try participating this way, it seems to be like using a back door. It is still not too late. One participatory process is coming in Pale soon. Will the GBA have the guts to participate in this? I mean --- what is the reason for not participating in elections and still taking the moral high ground ? Is the GBA and the NGOs afraid of failures ? I salute Floriano for taking the bull by the horns, and going through the pain of failures. Unless the peoples' agitations take the bull by the horns in Pale and in all other places, I feel that this issue of regional plan/ planning etc is not going to get resolved completely, as the elected representatives can always put a spoke in the wheel by making different laws such as the TCP amendment. regards, Samir
[Goanet] SIXTY-FIRST INDEPENDENCE DAY MESSAGE TO THE NATION FROM 'GOA SU-RAJ PARTY'
The Goa Su-Raj Party wishes the Nation A VERY HAPPY 61ST. INDEPENDENCE DAY. It is no less a feat that our nation celebrates its 61st. Independence Day with fanfare, to re-stamp its mark as the 'LARGEST DEMOCRACY OF THE WORLD'. Any thing too large, does have it's inherent problems, especially with precise and effective co-ordination. And at this moment, we must remind ourselves of the age old saying: ' TOO MANY COOKS SPOIL THE SOUP'. Our nation, however, by its very size and it's over a 'Billion' population, is tenacious enough to withstand the ingest of the 'spoilt' soup as a minor irritant, but must be alert and cautious not to allow these too many cooks to POISON the SOUP in the euphoria of adding more and more unnecessary ingredients to it. We have, with pride, taken in every word spoken by our respected Prime Minister, Shri. Manmohan Singh in his long delivery to the nation at the Red Fort, New Delhi, this morning, with the WORLD watching. And we are proud of our national intentions to forge ahead towards the inevitable goal of being the 'Super Power' of the World in every respect. The 'only' asset that will give our nation this enviable title will be ' WE', the 'Billion Plus' industrious people of our nation. And, towards procuring the well-being of that 'individual' citizen of our nation, must be the 'mantra' of our national leadership, for, the nation to be strong, it is necessary that each and every ' WARD' , however insignificant, be sought to be made strong. And for this to happen, our nation must CHOOSE WITH CARE the leadership to handle the helm of affairs of our nation who are real, self-less and visionary leaders, who believe in the word SECULARISM, which word our nations' fore-fathers preferred to inscribe in the nations' CONSTITUTION, sixty one years ago, and rightly so. For they knew the latent power of this Independent nation to be, if only it steadfastly remained a SECULAR NATION. Sadly, there has been more and more assaults on this very intrinsic secular fabric that will keep this giant of a nation together and which assaults have been increasingly tolerated by weakened LEADERSHIP in the name of 'PATRIOTISM'. It is only with reference to the above that Goa Su-Raj Party sincerely believes that too many pseudo-cooks, must, repeat, must not be allowed to POISON the SOUP that is vital for the sustenance of our nation to its increasing health and well-being. On this 61st. Independence Day, our nation will do well to also remember the weighty words of the Father of our Nation - Mahatma Gandhi - when he said: ' WE MUST BE THE CHANGE WE WISH TO SEE IN THE WORLD' JAI HIND Sd/- DR. N.S. DUMO PRESIDENT
[Goanet] CRZ V/s CMZ
Dears, As has been widely reported, GSRP was represented at this rather largely attended meet organized by 'Center for Environment Education' - CEE at the Vivekananda Hall, Junta House on 8 Aug., 2008 a PowerPoint presentation by Sujitkumar Dongre of CEE. A brief report 1. Hats off to Shri. Sujitkumar for conducting this presentation mostly in 'passable' Konkani. This is and has been much appreciated. 2. Besides a large gathering of Goa's endangered species (the Goan fisherfolks) represented by Agnelo Rodrigues, Goa's predominant environmental activist present were: Patricia Pinto, Ana Pinto, Claude Alvares, Matanhy Saldanha, Prajal Sakardande, Soter D'Souza, Ramesh Gauns, Adv. Jatin Naik and many environment and ecology sensitive citizen activists who protect and want Goa's environment protected. 3. As presented, the (main) comparison between the existing CRZ (Coastal Regulation Zone) and the now proposed CMZ (Coastal Management Zone). a. Regulatory V/s Management b. Clearly established 200 m. and 500 m HTL (High tide line) V/s Imaginary (adjustable) line. The Goa Su-Raj Party presented its objections publicly as under:- 1. That inspite of the Regulatory do or die CRZ provisions, the authorities vested with the controls allowed these provisions to be bent for unauthorized CRZ violations, chief among such authorities being the CZMA (Coastal Zone Management Authority) as well as the various Panchayats, including the Director and the Deputy Director of Panchayats. Example cited was the Calypso, Par Excellence and the Estrela Do Mar Hotels in the Calangute-Baga belt taken to task vide PIL 236 of 2007 Floriano Lobo V/s the State of Goa, being a mere drop in the ocean of violations in Goa's Coastal zone. That inspite of the High Court 3 month deadline to demolish all structures over 200 meter 'No Development zone', the State is still sleeping on the execution of the order. Where there is a finite 200 meter and 500 meter line drawn for such controls, the authorities have closed their eyes for selective big moneyed violations dragging ordinary citizens to court and the ordeals thereof. As against this regulatory do or die provisions, if MANAGEMENT should take its place, God only help this territory (Goa). The MANAGEMENT that is sought for is the MANAGEMENT of lacs of rupees paid under the table in the High Offices of Delhi's Authorities where the imaginary line will be moving down and down and into the sea itself with the extent of money paid into the coffers of the corrupt politicians and environment ministry officials. And for genuine persons whose life depend on such developments, the imaginary line will move up and up to impossibility until and unless money is paid, beg or borrow, we do not care attitude. To end Floriano Lobo of goasuraj stated that even the Supreme Court of India openly stated that even God will not be able to save this country from the CHEAT GOVERNMENT. That the same sentiments should be reiterated by every conscientious Goan to say NO to CMZ and YES to the Do or Die provisions of the existing CRZ. 2. Adv. Jatin Naik questioned the appointment of Prof. Swaminathan for the execution of the report where Prof Swaminathan was morally unfit to do such a report. 4. Claude Alvares passed a resolution against the Management system proposed and in favour of the existing CRZ provisions with added safeguards. 5. Ramesh Gauns clearly indicted the CMZ as a law to rob the people of Goa of their heritage of safe environment and ecological balance. End
Re: [Goanet] Special Status for Goa - Press Statement for Kind Favour of Publication
August 9, 2008 To, Editor/Admin, The Navhind Times/Herald/Gomantak Times/ Goa Today/Gomantak/Tarun Bharat/Navprabha/Pudhari Goa/Goa Doot/Goan Observer/Sunaparant/Deccan Herald/Asian Age/ TOI-Goa/V. Ixtt/Gulab/Goa World Today/gulf Goans/Goan Causesa/Goa Net/www.goasu-raj.org Sir, Sub: Special Status for Goa. The public announcement made by the Opposition Leader Shri. Manohar Parrikar of the Goa Bharatiya Janata Party that the 'BJP' will seek to pass a resolution in the coming Goa Legislative Assembly session to seek 'Special Status for Goa' on the lines that is availed by states like Himachal Pradesh and Uttaranchal, comes as a very welcome and long awaited news. The Goa Su-Raj Party feels happy that such a realization has dawned on Goa's leading political party when Goa has lost most of its lands and resources since 1961, where Goa should have been accorded this very status after the liberation. Having said that , the Goa Su-Raj Party believes that it is better late than never. The Goa Su-Raj Party congratulates the Opposition Leader Shri. Manohar Parrikar for thinking like an endangered Goan atlast, who is about to lose everything precious to him with the onslaught that has been taking place on Goa's meager resources. Goa Su-Raj Party hopes that the Goa BJP will not have second thoughts on this most positive stand it has taken, which stand should be a very good reason for Goans to commence rejoicing, as this happens to be the best news Goa and Goans have received since 1961. The Goa Su-Raj Party will certainly hold Shri. Manohar Parrikar and the Goa BJP to its 'word' and await for the passing on this unique and sensitive resolution in the House of Goa's Representatives. It is expected that the House will pass this resolution unanimously as there is no reason for any political dispensation wanting to see the good of Goa to oppose this resolution. Thanking you, Yours Sincerely, for Goa Su-Raj Party Sd/- (Floriano C. Lobo) General Secretary/Spokesman.
Re: [Goanet] Resignations, Popular Politics and the Force of Law
Let me make a few relevant points vis a vis the RP-2021 and the Task Force assembled to help cobble it together. 1. As we understand, the 'Regional Plan' is a broad-based and a holistic plan of what is needed by way of infrastructure for a period under planning and more. 2. Regional Planning is a matter for the experts who know their jobs and not any village Tom Dick and Harry, since this planning is based on projections of growth and on actual statistics. 3. 73rd. and 74th. amendments cannot and must not be implemented unless the Panchayat Raj Act is exorcised fully and completely to remove all the loopholes which presently makes the Act just a flushable piece of toilet paper. (I have been telling this to Soter of Peaceful Society and others every opportunity I get). 4. As it is , Panchayats are playing havoc w.r.t. illegalities galore. Give them more unregulated powers to make money? No Sir. 5. Village people do not know what is long term planning. But, thing to do is to open up discussions on the same once formulated at village levels to explain what is what and why things are planned the way they are. If there are serious disagreements, then these must be looked into. 6 The Regional Plan cannot and must not be conjured looking at villages and constituencies but taking into consideration that Goa is a village and any planning for one portion must be in consonance with the rest of Goa and not discordant. 6. Leave it to the people and we promise you NOTHING WILL BE DONE. Real experts must be put to work sans hidden agendas of builders, industrialists, commission agents et al. 7. Regional Plan is all about building Bridges, Highways, Roads, putting industries, Educational complexes, religious places of worship, water works, mining, river transportation, agriculture in all its branches, maintenance of forests, its wild-life, preserving the ecological balance, safe maintenance of beaches and riverfronts, the extent of more settlements based of normal (not migrant influx) population growth, in conjunction with the 'building code', planning for airports, ports, railways etc. etc. We have said enough , but we would like to expand the logic of all what is said a bit further. The problem is not the Regional Plan, the ODPs, the Village development plans etc. The problem is GOVERNANCE. Goa falls flat on this score. Goa's governance has become free for all. If a strangle hold is held on Goa's need based and selfless Governance ( which is not possible unless there is a dramatic change in Goa's political SYSTEM), Goa is going to be further torn apart into bits and pieces since every single person wants his/her share of things the way they like. If such stranglehold governance is put in place ( REAL POLITIC ) then the Goa's gold pot (treasury) which is now handled by people like Digu, Narvekar, Babush, Viswajeet et al, will be actually handled by the Village Panchayats and Municipalities vide Constitutional 73rd. and 74th amendments. The Cabinet bugs will no longer get to share the warmth of the 'Gold pot which will be distributed to villages panchayats and municipalities. Therefore, the shine of contesting Assembly elections will be lost. The rush is always where the gold is, therefore everyone will want to be in the Panchayats and Municipalities to be closer to the warmth generated by the gold pot. Who will, then contest the assembly seats? It will be persons like Averthan, Patricia Pinto, Oscar Rebello, Soter D'Souza , Miguel Braganza, Dr. Francisco Colaco, educationist like Aureliano Fernandes, and such people like Wendell Rodricks, Jason Keith Fernandes, maybe a Geraldine Fernandes here and a Judith Almeida there. Pressure will also come on persons like Anthony D'Silva of Ambelim and a lot more people, like floriano lobo or Dr. Dumo who are basically unelectable under the prevailing circumstances. Prestige will be more important to them than the siphoning-off of the gold pot. Therefore they will willingly take up the seats which no Narvekars, Babushes, Alemao's, Ranes etc will want. And sitting in the legislative assemble, they will enact laws rules and regulations that will put the 'dog in the manger to shame' in the understanding that " If I will not eat, then I shall not allow you to eat either". The Narvekars and Babushes etc at the panchayat and municipal levels not being able to pocket the gold coins to which they have staked their claims on long term basis will be forced to look for jobs elsewhere where they must actually earn their living, since being at the panchayat and municipal level will entail that they do massive social service for nothing in return. And that is when the 73rd and the 74th amendment to the constitution will be most safe along with the Regional Plans and the ODPs and what have yous. We feel that young minds like Jason Keith Fernandes and other must consider the above.
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: Textbook wars come to Goa... and howdoour politicians respond?
Anthony, Ponder over the following words by M G. 'WE MUST BE THE CHANGE THAT WE WISH TO SEE IN THE WORLD' And, Everything will fall in perspective. rgds floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "AF" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:18 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: Textbook wars come to Goa... and howdoour politicians respond? Listen... we have enough GOA clubs and organizations,, world-wide, all promoting supposed goan-culture through dances, entertainement and what not. In Toronto, same thing dances and dances. Not my style, i say, because Goan culture, the essence of being a goan, is and has always been chistianity and portugues culture. Therefore, when an Indian-based parish priest visting our church in Toronto, passionately decries, during his Sunday sermon from the pulpit, the murders, harrasment and the intolerances practiced against the priests, sisters and christian followers in certain states in India, by the two Hindu organizations, RSS and another, ( referring them as the cultural wings of the BJP ), we, in the church listened with attention. I say it is time that the goan in foreign countries do more about this discrimination. i would join a group that expressed goan in its true form, without hatred to any religion, extreme tolerance of all, and proud indian, yet proud goan. I lament that these clubs seem more interested in funding entertainment than promoting christianity and konkanim and football. anthony
[Goanet] Fw: Fw: A (Su-Raj) Goan at the Oval Office of the White House posing with the President of the U.S.A.
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Tri Continental Film Festival 2008 July 25 - 30, 2008 Goa, India http://www.moviesgoa.org/page/tri_continental/ http://www.moviesgoa.org/tricon/schedule_2008.pdf --- - Original Message - From: Bhola Dhume To: goasuraj Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:08 AM Subject: Re: Fw: A (Su-Raj) Goan at the Oval Office of the White House posing with the President of the U.S.A. Dear Mr. Lobo, Thank you for the congratulatory message and such warm words of encouragement. I enjoyed the experience in the White House and am happy to be able to share a piece of that experience with all of you. Best, Deepa --- On Sat, 7/19/08, goasuraj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: goasuraj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Fw: A (Su-Raj) Goan at the Oval Office of the White House posing with the President of the U.S.A. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 9:24 PM - Original Message - From: goasuraj To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:48 AM Subject: A (Su-Raj) Goan at the Oval Office of the White House posing with the President of the U.S.A. What the papers of 20 July, 2008 say. Bush thanks US Goan for work on Eco Issues - Herald Deepa Dhume meets Bush - NT Goan girl meets Bush - GT Weekender (Herald Newsdesk) Photo inset caption: Ms. Deepa Dhume seen with US President George W. Bush at the Oval Office of the President in the White House, USA. Deepa Dhume, originally hailing from Cumbarjua, had the privilege of posing for a photograph with US President George W. Bush at the Oval Office of the White House at a celebration marking the release of the 2008 Economic Report of the President. During the meeting, President Bush thanked Deepa Dhume for her contribution to international economic issues.. Sd/- Floriano Lobo Gen. Secretary/Spokesman, Goa Su-Raj Party
Re: [Goanet] Voters invited to check electoral rolls
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Mario Miranda Festival, July 24-26, 2008 Old GMC Building, Panjim. June 24, 4.30 pm Children's Day (with Bookworm). June 25, 5 pm Mario's medium analyzed. Short films on Mario. Featuring the first public appearance in Goa by Amruta Patil, graphic novelist and Goa Art College graduate. Her recent graphic novel, 'Kari' (Harper Collins) earned wide acclaim. July 26, original play by the Mustard Seeds Arts Company (5pm) * * * 2008 Goan International convention currently on at Mississauga University of Toronto (UTM), July 23-27, 2008. http://2008goanconvention.com/index.php * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All the Indian citizens who are eligible to be included in the> All Indian non-Goan citizens who are in Goa and who may have their names included or want to be included ( or our goan politicians want them to be included) in Goa's electoral rolls must first produce the proof of cancellation of their respective names from the electoral rolls in their own respective states. Then and only then they should be allowed to be entered in the electoral rolls of Goa. Goan politicians may want these dual voters to vote for them to neutralise the bonafide Goan's vote, but the bonafide Goans do not want and will not allow outsiders to fraudulently choose the government for Goans which they do not deserve. floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Goanet News" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 6:35 PM Subject: [Goanet] Voters invited to check electoral rolls * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * VOTERS INVITED TO CHECK ELECTORAL ROLLS Panaji, July, 23, 2008 The draft photo Electoral Rolls will be available for scrutiny by the members of the public from July 26, 2008 upto August 9, 2008 in the premises of the respective Polling Stations. The draft photo Electoral Rolls will also be available for scrutiny in the Offices of the concerned Electoral registration Officers and the Assistant Electoral Registration Officers in the State of Goa. All the Indian citizens who are eligible to be included in the Electoral Rolls and those whose names do not figure in the said draft Electoral Rolls are requested to scrutinize the above mentioned Draft Electoral Rolls and also those who have attained the age of 18 years as on January 1, 2008 are requested to get their names included in the Electoral Rolls. --- http://www.GOANET.org --- Tri Continental Film Festival 2008 July 25 - 30, 2008 Goa, India http://www.moviesgoa.org/page/tri_continental/ http://www.moviesgoa.org/tricon/schedule_2008.pdf ---
Re: [Goanet] Central University Status for GU
Dear Vinay, Your views have been taken aboard and with all due respect, I thank you for the same. Needless to say that uncompromised, un-interfered with, politics-free, autonomous and vibrant ALL ROUND EDUCATION SYSTE is the need of the hour for GOA. Hence this DEBATE. Rest assured your view, (more if you have) will be made public during the debate. floriano BTW: the debate is slated to 30/Jul/5.p.m. instead of earlier 28/Jul. - Original Message - From: "Vinay Natekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 9:56 PM Subject: [Goanet] Central University Status for GU Today, we are witnessing a concerted attempt to politicize Goa university. Let us try to understand the advantages of if Goa University is made central university. The frequent annual increase of fees for students to mobilize funds would be called off the moment G.U. is declared a Central University thus enabling a large number of brilliant students many of whom can’t afford tuition fee to the tune of lakhs of rupees and also special incentive to research scholars who will be offered Rs. 3-5 thousand monthly stipend to support their expenses. A large number new equipments would come to the universityfor the use of the students and teachers as well. The overall budget of the University will increase as lot of funds will flow in from HRD Ministry and UGC for planning and implementation of new schemes and also will attract best teaching faculty from across the country due to rise in pay levels. Goa University being located at a strategic place near the Capital City, in association with other upcoming institutions, will act as a knowledge grid for the entire konkan region. In terms of administration the efficiency of the University would improve to a great level due to extensive use on new technology. Although quite late, Goa Government has finally decided to let Goa University be a Central University after being given a option of choosing between a State and Central University since 1987. It took Govt. almost two decades to take this wise decision after facing financial crunch. Central university status will enhance the quality and standings of degrees . Otherwise Goa University Degrees don’t have much value outside Goa. In Gulf and Particularly in Kuwait Engineering Degree is not recognized by Kuwait Society of Engineers so Engineer holding Goa University Degree can not find a job in Government or Oil sector company in Kuwait. We should stop opposing any thing which is development oriented to Goa just for the sake of opposing otherwise our state will face recession in progress. Vinay Natekar Kuwait -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 270.5.3/696 - Release Date: 7/20/2008 12:00 AM
[Goanet] GOA has a new Governor in Dr. Shivinder Singh Sidhu
Dear all, As of 5.20 p.m. 21 Julay, 2008, Goa has a new Governor in Dr. Shivinder Singh Sidhu. His Excellency will be keeping company to another top ranking Sikh in Goa, the Chief Secretary Mr. J.P. Singh who has been kicked upstairs through promotion and who will be leaving Goa behind, shortly. As Official invitees, the Goa Su-Raj Party was represented by 'yours sincerely' accompanied by the President Dr. N.S. Dumo. The ceremony was short and sweet with not many MLAs and Ministers seen adorning the seats. Everything was ok except that the protocol seating arrangement stank. And when it was time to shake hands with the new Governor, yours sincerely did it in style. "Welcome to Goa, Your Excellency. I am the General Secretary of a small political party in Goa" The smiling dimunitive Singh reciprocated the vigourous handshake saying " We need small as well as big parties ..don't we?" "Yes your Excellency, but I have a request for you" You see, GOA looks very neat clean on the outside, especially now since it is monsoons. But it is really very very dirty from the indside" . " We need your help to do the cleaning" The exuberant smile did not altogether vanish from the Governor's turbaned face, but it was reduced to somewhat 50 per cent. But the smile on the face of the man flanking the good Governor did a disapearing act. Shaking his hand too and acknowledging his presence with the word 'CHIEF' was the end of it before moving on to addressed ourselves to the snacks and beverages spread out. floriano goasuraj PS. The Good Governor is going to remember the white bearded devil who spoilt his illusion of a beautiful GOA when he sees the overflowing garbage bin outside the gate of the Raj Bhavan.
[Goanet] Central University Status for GU: for whom? and at what cost? by: Dr. Jayant Budkuley-Ex-Registrar GU - goasuraj COMMENTS
h Rane, Shri Digamber Kamat, Shri. Manohar Parrikar, Dr. Wilfred D'Souza, Shri. Sudin Dhavlikar, along with Shri. Shantaram Naik, Shri Sripad Naik, Shri Fransisco Sardinha sit together and weigh the pros and cons of this issue once and for all. The most undesirable aspect of this entire episode of the conversion has been the clandestine manner in which the policy advisor(s)/promoter(s) pursued this issue. Until the contextual reference made by the Finance Minister on the floor of the House while presenting the Budget, the stakeholders i.e. the teachers, the students and the community at large were completely in the dark about the Central University status. Moreover, such an important issue was not even discussed in the policy-making bodies of the University. This is in direct contrast to the long-drawn spade-work done by all the stake-holders in the State prior to the establishment of Goa University. Finally, it cannot be overlooked that a University is the cradle of Education where in the young human resource of a given state is cultivated and groomed to meet the specific developmental model of that state. In a pluralistic country like India it is extremely important that every state should have at least one state university so that the aspirations of the people of that state are focused and fulfilled through the agency of their own University. The tiny state of Goa, which a visionary like Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru believed has its own salient position in the Indian Republic, cannot be an exception to this privilege. COMMENTS The above is the right synopsis for the orientation to commence the intended DEBATE of the intellectuals of GOA under the banner of 'CITIZEN'S (OF GOA) INITIATIVE' scheduled to meet for the first time on July 28 (Monday), 2008 from 5 p.m. to 7 p.m. at the Main Hall of Institute Menezes Braganza, Panjim. Not to comment on the pros and cons delivered by Dr. Jayant Budkuley above, we shall reproduce the preamble of the Chapter [IX] - EDUCATION excerpted from our ROADMAP FOR GOA (at page 64) along with the foot note. "The entire education system in Goa shall be reviewed though debates, seminars and free discussions involving academics; pedagogues; student/parent associations etc., to bring out a 'WHITE PAPER'. The focus shall be shifted from Exam-Oriented Education to "Practical & Knowledge Oriented Education. State of the art 'Primary School System' infrastructure shall be introduced to make the Primary Schools in the State the best in the Indian Union and comparable to the best in the world. This we intend doing since the primary education is the foundation for future generations in this competitive world. Syllabi and examination patterns from primary school to university level shall be reviewed /changed to effect up-gradation.Educational institutions shall be freed from political influence and/or interference and shall be accorded autonomous status. Sex education as well as education on drug related influence on human body and mind and its ill effects shall be introduced in schools. Cell phone culture in schools shall be discouraged/arrested. Dramatic arts and Indian/Western dance and music culture shall be included in school curricula to being out/develop latent talents in Goan youth... Foot note 1: The justification for this sustained expenditure is that if the government can afford to spend rupees 150 crores on IFFI related infrastructure with Rs. 24 crores spent on the renovation works of the Kala Academy, which infrastructure has been reduced to naught in just one heavy down-pour, not just renovation, but another two or more Kala Academies could have been built with the same amount, the Goa government can and should spend more on primary school infrastructure as it is in the interest of Goa's future. ( If this Roadmap should be re-written, the inclusion of the monstrously high 'Food Bills' of our MLAs and Ministers as well as their 'Foreign Jaunts' on study tours cannot be ruled out. :-)) Foot note 2: Our education system does not encourage the development of a socially responsible mind. Our graduates are in many cases persons who are social ignorants - what they learn by rote cannot be related to life as a whole. floriano goasuraj
Re: [Goanet] Alemao's Hot Wheel Collection
Dear Naguesh, One of the staunchest committments of the Goa Su-Raj Party is that when it takes the wheel of Power in its hands ( which is inevitable as soon as the people of Goa are ready for it) the ENFORCEMENT DIRECTORATE will be let loose to check-out all past MLAs and bureaucrats, if their and their family assets are in tune with their earnings. It is our belief that Goan roads will be paved with gold with all the loot and there will be the need to build more jails to accomodate jail-birds that have been allowed to fly for the last 47 years since 1961. Afterall, the law will catch up with the law-breakers sometime or the other. This is the rule of life. floriano goasuraj PS. The cat is out of the bag. But just as well. This is infact the RAISON D'ETRE of the GOA SU-RAJ PARTY. To catch the thieves and punish them. And if anyone thinks that this is a gimmick, then let them just give a glance at the life-style of those who are at the wheel of the GOA SU-RAJ PARTY and why there is a trickle to increase that strenght. - Original Message - From: "Naguesh Bhatcar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Alemao's Hot Wheel Collection Ayres, Over the past few days, I have read that the Supreme Court and the CBI, have been going after Mayawati's assets. But some might call it political vendetta, for her not supporting the present Government. The CBI itself has been used by the ruling parties to prosecute its opponents. It is not that the politicians in the rest of the world are any less corrupt, but in India it is 'institutionalized corruption', that affects the common man. If there is an impartial investigation into the assets of Goan politicians, hardly any of them will be able to account for all that they have accumulated. In the 1980s, I remember that most of them, used to be teachers, lawyers -- and now these very guys specify their occupations as Business/Businessman/Agriculturist. All of them have cars and bungalows! One cannot achieve all that with the salary of an MLA! Such a drastic transformation in one's fortunes cannot happen without rampant corruption. Of course, the selling of Goa is the most common topic of discussion on this forum. How many Goans with just the salary of an MLA can afford cars and bungalows?Naguesh Naguesh Bhatcar
Re: [Goanet] Advani keen to shed anti-minority image
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It will be the sadest day for this up-coming country if Advani is allowed to
take the sacred chair of the Prime Minister of India.
Advani has wormed his way up on the list as the prime ministerial candidate
through subterfuge and cunning.
His dream has always been to be the PM of India, right from 1967 when he was
the Jana Sangh leader. (his speech in Mahim Bombay in 1967)
As predicted, he has touched the feet of 'Italy ki Beti' and he will eat
anything and everything if it helps to achieve his ends of being the PM of
India.
Hope there is enough sense in the multitude of sensible Indians to see
through Advani's schemes.
I, for one, have already gone on record that I shall refuge to accept this
devious schemeer as the Prime Minister of my country.
floriano
goasuraj
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Advani keen to shed anti-minority image
BY OUR SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT
NEW DELHI
July 12: With an eye on the coming parliamentary elections, Leader of
the Opposition L.K. Advani is wooing Muslims.
On Sunday, Mr Advani will address a convention of Muslim women being
organised by BJP Minority Morcha president Syed Shahnawaz Hussein.
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In fact, Mr Hussein has launched a drive to expose how the waqf
property has been messed up predominantly in the Congress-ruled
states.
The BJP Minority Morcha is also working on a white paper to expose the
Congress Party's record in this regard.
Re: [Goanet] Ref: Digambar to present Mopa report to PM
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Dear Freddy,
However much commendable the thought and concern for Goa that you have
portrayed in this post may be, I do not think the solution that you have
suggested will work either.
On the contrary, Goa will get new hungry hyenas to replace the hungry
wolves. It is better to remain with the hungry wolves in the hope that they
will have gorged themselves enough to let go of the frantic tearing away of
the sinues of Goa to feed themselves, and in so doing slow down and rest
awhile to give the people of Goa some space to take a deep breath and relax
with the hope these fattened wolves die, one after another, of heart
attacks from this long-drawn overfeeding.
There is no doubt that a virgin set of legislators must be placed on the
floor of the Goa Legislative Assembly. But they must belong to a new,
disciplined, system of governance, where the system is written down and
wetted by the people, not allowing these new guys and gals to move on their
own but controlled all the time.
Such a system already exists, a system where SELF-SACRIFICE is written all
over it. The question is: Are there any takers? Slowly but surely we shall
come to know the extent of the willingness of our dear Goans who shout
hoarse wanting a change for the better to try it out. For your kind
information the said system is available (to download) at www.goasu-raj.org.
Feel absolutely free to try it.
rgds
floriano
goasuraj
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Ref: Digambar to present Mopa report to PM
With reference to the article on the Navhind Times of 13/07/2008 Mr. Digu
will
be going to Delhi to present the PM with the MOPA report. Wah re wah Digu
Bhai,
what is Delhi's share of the commission of the project ? We all know that
your
39 thieves do have a share, plus the property share around Mopa and a lot
more
coming from the neighboring state for whom this airport will be more
beneficial
to than the Aam Admi of Goa...
The Congress Party MLA's are become famous for filling their pockets in
the name
of development of Goa. I am sure that the only way to clean Goan Politics
and
have good governance is by getting all new faces in the Assembly, not even
one
from the present list of MLA's should be brought back in to power, as even
one
rotten apple will affect the other good apples. Doesn't Goa have decent 40
young
guys who are capable of running a clean government ? Why should we see
the same
old corrupt faces year after year of so long ? . Come on Goa wake up.
So my dear Goan brothers and sisters at the next election show these power
and
money hungry vultures that we do mean business. They do deserve a big
kick up
their back side and it's high time, we give them exactly what they
deserve.
To Goa with Love
Freddy Agnelo Fernandes
Re: [Goanet] Surgeons' best patients - Goa's politicos.
Not surprising at all that intelligent, full bodied and fully bestowed Goans have prefered to hand Goa to these nothing but 'interchangeable extremities' guys on a Silver Platter to do the two best performances that can be expected of them . Vomit & S**t on Goa's rather empty public exchequer plate? :-)) floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Roland Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goanet" Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 10:16 PM Subject: [Goanet] Surgeons' best patients - Goa's politicos. Forwarded from Arnold Noronha: Five surgeons are discussing who has the best patients to operate on. The first surgeon says, 'I like to see accountants on my operating table because when you open them up, everything inside is numbered.' . But the fifth surgeon shut them all up when he observed, 'You're all wrong. Goa's politicians are the easiest to operate on. There's no guts, no heart, no balls, no brains, and no spine, and there are only two moving parts - the mouth and the asshole - and they are interchangeable'
[Goanet] Fw: Riposte to "Democracy as an Illusion: The Goa Experience - Kind attn. Mr. Arun Sinha
- Original Message - From: goasuraj To: Navhind Times Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:26 PM Subject: Riposte to "Democracy as an Illusion: The Goa Experience - Kind attn. Mr. Arun Sinha JULY 8, 2008 To, Mr. Arun Sinha, The editor, Navhind Times. Panjim-Goa. Sir, Subject: A riposte to the editorial article captioned 'DEMOCRACY AS AN ILLUSION: The GOA Experience' - The Odyssey's While congratulating you for this piece of 'excellent writing', let me, the second person named by you in the write-up say that, to the best of my belief, I consider: (1) 'Our Representative form of Democracy ENDS the day our ELECTION RESULTS are declared; (2) That I have always believed that it is a SYSTEM (of governance) that must be supported and not INDIVIDUALS. That individuals contesting assembly elections as Independents must be shunned since they are bereft of any ideology but are only movers and shakers and political commission brokers. You will agree with me that there is a resonating cord to be found in what I have said above and the gist of your entire article. Now, to get back to the other specifics: The Congress, the BJP, the NCP et al have failed because the SYSTEM is not to be found anywhere but only the individuals. And without the SYSTEM in place, the individual will perform in the manner that our Goan political history has shown since 1961. Can we blame these individual? I say 'NO'. Mainly because an individual left to his own preferences, will want to sway like the 'air sock' at the mercy of the winds blowing his/her way, the winds loaded with monetary incentives. The Individual could have been a 'saint' for all that matters. But even saints do have their price, more so, in the absence of a SYSTEM that must regulate his/her actions. A fine example could be found in the history of 'Jesus Christ' and world He built through his disciples. If He had not gone by the SYSTEM - [offer the other cheek... etc], the world would have as many streams of SYSTEMS as there were disciples. Even 'Judas' who defied the SYSTEM set by JC ultimately complied by hanging himself by way of repentance. You have named Matanhy and James Fernandes of 'Goemche Niz Mogi' besides me in your most appreciated article. Matanhy has been in the activism world for Goa since a very long time having built-up his credibility and integrity over the long run of years. And people expected him to prove himself the ultimate man on the real political fighting turf, the savior of Goan Causes, when they got him elected to the Cortalim Constituency. But then, we who have been around and who have been watching the Goan political scene carefully and evaluating it as the events went by, did not give him 10 out of 10 to keep himself on the track that he had followed. Reason being that he had, unseen to him, moved off the original track he has always walked on ... the Ideology set-out by GOMANT LOK POKH ... to walk on the unholy track set by the UGDP its founder having been the late Monte Xavier Furtado amongst others. Today, Matanhy is struggling to gain the ground lost by his voluntary inaction as the Minister in the BJP government where he, instead of being his real attacking ferocious 'fighter dog' turned himself into the 'ear licking poodle'. This cost him his credibility as well a place in Goa's history, inspite of his many fights for Goa. Hopefully, people of Goa will forgive him his little peccadilloes and elevate him to his previous selfless glory. Coming to James Fernandes and his brand of Goemche Niz Mogi, I have nothing against him and his ideological supporters. It is only that he has no roots. And roots do not come easy. I have always wished him well and I will always wish him well in the fight to SAVE GOA. And I must say that I was totally taken aback by a massive surprise to find my name qualified to be printed at all in your good Navhind Times, especially in your own write-up. I was not around for many years when you came to Goa (circa 1992-1993?) as I was sailing the high seas to be actively involved with Goa and Goans. But the first time you heard of me was during the 'Meta Strips' imbroglio, sometime in 1999 or thereafter. But then, the assessment that you have made of my brand of activism (which I have followed even during my sailing days) is found wanting. For one thing, I certainly do not want to make a huge forest out of Goa wanting people to survive on the fruits of the forest alone. I have a certain vision of my own, the vision which I have, on many an occasions, prevailed upon you to have a look-see. Certainly, I have not expected you to be dazzled with that vision, but then, if you did have a clue, you would have found it fit not to include my name as one of the promoters of a 'FOREST-GOA' But then,
[Goanet] NOT SIMPLY DONE - COMMENTS
n corporate contributions to elections funds. But not even seven years had elapsed after that ban when rethinking started. A bill was introduced in Parliament in 1976 seeking to give companies the power to donate up to 5 per cent of their profits to political parties. Nine years later, Section 293-A came to be recast altogether by Amendment Act of 1985. As the law stands at present, a political party may receive any amount by way of contributions under the Companies Act. By way of an independent encouragement for corporate funding, Section 77 of the Representation of the People Act excludes expenditure incurred by political parties from the computation of the Election Commission-prescribed ceiling on a candidate's election expenditure. There are two consequences of all this: first, candidates backed by political parties and corporate donations enjoy a weightage over independent candidates. Second and more important, before an election weighs votes on its balance, cash weighs itself on the same scale's trays. Examples can be cited of clear, bonafide and transparent donations by business houses to political parties. Rajagopalachari himself approached industrial houses for open donations to the Swatrantra Party. But a board of director's payment by means of a white cheque to a party is not the only source of funding. There is the Hindi saying, 'Haathi ke paaon mein sab ke paaon' (Many paws fit into an elephant's footprints). Vast sums get flung into an election, both from within and outside of the provisions of the Companies Act. This is where black money mingles with the white, making the whole thing as grey as smog. Beyond the action of grey money in elections lies the important question: once elected with the help of another's money - be it an individual's or a company's - can the victorious candidate look the donor in the eye and say 'No' when that donor asks for an inappropriate concession? The 'power of wealth' then becomes, to use Rajagopalachari's phrase, a 'tyranny', not only for the losing side but for the winning side as well. The time has come for the laws concerning the funding of elections to be reviewed again. The late Indrajit Gupta had chaired a committee to study it. Another study needs now to be made of the working of Section 293-A of the Companies Act. COMMENTS: His Excellency, Gov. Gopalkrishna Gandhi will rejoice from within his bones when he learns that there are still people around in this 'money eat money' Indian politics who have formed a political party where money plays no role at all in the winning or losing of elections. As a matter of fact, just today, when I visited the Parish Priest of the Ucassaim Church with a request to make an announcement, tomorrow being the Sunday, to tell everyone to sign the copy of the 'Charter of Demands', which will be circulating outside, prepared by the Mapusa-Bardez Nagrikancho Ekvott, to be handed-over to the Chairperson of the Mapusa Municipal Council with massive number of signatures from Mapusa and around, the good Rev. Father had this to say. "Floriano, Goa needs people like you to be elected, but don't mind my saying, you will never get elected" And to express himself, he caressed his thumb and two fingers saying 'It is all this' which you will never have", meaning MONEY. Just like Vaikunthlal Mehta, the slogan that this party uses is " Small money from a lot of people makes better sense than a lot of money from one person" In this case, after getting elected, there are no favours to return. For India (especially Goa) to come back in full circle to the pre-independence election times, it will perhaps take another 500 to 1000 years for the people to want a savior to come to deliver them from the pestilence of politicians and their money power, just like some 2000 years ago as happened in Jeruzalem. But one thing is sure. Whether it takes 500 years or more, the revolution is bound to happen and the slate, which is over-written by a zillion times will be wiped clean for the new writing to start afresh. Of that I am very very very optimistic. And this optimism is built-in into the very being of the GOA SU-RAJ PARTY. Cheers & happy reading Gov. Gopalkrishna Gandhi. floriano goasuraj
Re: [Goanet] Sarvona Zantye Mining:Third Party Intervention granted- COMMENTS by goasuraj
Very well done is what we say to Shri. Ramesh Gauns and co. for persisting in this fight to save Goa from the mining mafia. It is aparent by virtue of Mr. Sujay Gupta making out the report indicting Shri Shyamsundar Pundalik Naik of Varchavadda, Advalpal for taking a packet for cultural activities from a mine owner. Now that he got the fitting reposte as to why the money was given out and how it was disbursed, there will be a counter offensive against the people once again. We however cannot but think that the vested interests will come up with something like " a large cache of explosives, detonators, hand granades and Koitas etc have been unearthed in a raid in the jungles of Colamb or Satari or wherever just to pin the fake naxalite theory in the minds of the people. And the Goa police will be doing such a bidding from the powerful vested interests, especially when the seeds have been sown by the enterprising LOO Shri. Manohar Parrikar and over-anxiously supported by the Goa Pradesh Youth Congress. But the people of Goa have already made up their minds on the identity of the enemy of the State and will not be fooled, however much they may try. The Goa Su-Raj Party warns these vested interests that it is in their own interest that they should desist from all these primitive antics because they will be only fooling themselves. They must remember the Satari incidence and never ever forget it. floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "sebastian Rodrigues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 2:40 PM Subject: [Goanet] Sarvona Zantye Mining:Third Party Intervention granted by Ramesh Gauns Sarvona Mine in Bicholim, which has remained in the publicity for various controversies such as People's agitations, postponements of Public Hearings etc. has yet again received set back in the Court of Administrative Tribunal. The company had filed an appeal before the Court of Administrative Tribunal, Panaji via appeal no. 2/2008 on Feb. 2008 making the Goa pollution Control Board the respondent. The appeal was to ask for consent to operate and consent to establish under Air (Control and Prevention of Pollution) Act 1981 and Water (Control and Prevention of pollution) Act 1974 respectively. The environment clearance obtained by M/s Zantye & Co. Pvt. Ltd on August 21. 2007, from the Ministry of Environment' s Appellate Authority, New Delhi vide Appeal no. 11/2007. The Appeal reads as Ramesh S. Gauns V/s Ministry of Environment & Forest, New Delhi as Respondent no. 1, M/s Zantye & Co. Pvt. Ltd as Respondent no. 2, The Goa State Pollution Control Board as Respondent no. 3 and Chief Secretary, Govt. of Goa as Respondent no. 4
Re: [Goanet] Lessons for Goa
I vociferously second Samir on this. I have visited Hubli, Hospet recently. Hubli sports a 'international standard', modern 'interstate bus terminus' with a left luggage counter, resting/sleeping rooms for males and females, clean toilets et al. All garbage, even chocolate wrappers cannot be found anywhere except in the garbage bins kept at every point. Cleaners and sweepers are on a continuous duty to swab and sweep, just like we see these details at international airports outside India, Heathrow etc for instance. NO PAAN SPIT is seen any where. I have gone on record to report (soon after my above visit) that there are no ghatis in Hubli/Hospest but there are ghatis in Goa because we have ghati panch members, municipal councillors and above all ghati 'LEGISLATORS'. And I have termed our public places such as bus terminuses and gardens and parks as 'Goan Ghati Lands' clasic being the Mapus Kadamba Bus Terminus" (Poor Kadambas must be shedding tears of shame wherever they are :-)) Incidentally, I had requested Manohar Parrikar to do just three thing for Mapusa as a 'son of Mapusa' when he was Goa's CEO instead of doing anything and everything for Panjim as his constituency. Look at (1) Mapusa Kadamba Bus terminus. (2) World famed 'Mapusa Municipal Market. & (3) Mapusa River - stop it from being poisoned by raw sewage, I had told him. I got a reply to my email: " Florian-bab, you will find vast improvement before Christmas". When Christmas came and went by, I replied to that post saying "Which Christmas did you mean - Manohar Bab??? Incidentally the Christmas that Manohar-bab had promissed has not yet come by. But the 'MAPUSA (not MAHAPSA) NAGRIKANCHO EKVOTT' will see to it that 'that Christmas' will dawn on Mapusa Municipal Market as well as the entire 'Proud City of Mapusa' in this very year, 2008. As a committee member of the above 'MNE', I urge every 'Mapxekar' to sign on the dotted lines of the already circulating 'Charter of Demands' of the Mapusa Nagrikancho Ekvott (which includes all BARDEZ-KARS) not to be minoritize by the sorrounding Bardezkars such as Moidekars, Nachinolkars, Aldonkars, Ucassaim'kars Bastorkars, Guirimkars and upto and even Calangutekars. There are around 15 sets of 'memoranda' circulating in and around Mapusa and the final date for the home coming is 15 July, 2008. Cheers floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Samir Kelekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 11:52 AM Subject: [Goanet] Lessons for Goa >Rajan writes: The Old Goa circle makes for a squalid picture. At certain times during the day, there are so many ghatis loitering around, spitting and urinating, that you think you are in Karnataka. Karnataka is a much cleaner state than Goa. In Bangalore especially, no one throws garbage outside their houses as many Goans do. Early morning, people wash the area outside of the house, and clean it up. The Hindus would usually make some rangoli or some such thing. The municipality garbage collector visits us every morning and we give the garbage to him/her. Karnataka is also very focussed in high-tech area such as IT , while in Goa the in thing is tourism and prostitution. regards, Samir -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 270.4.3/696 - Release Date: 6/28/2008 12:00 AM
Re: [Goanet] GAKUVED warns mining industry in Goa
- Original Message - From: "sebastian Rodrigues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 2:37 PM Subject: [Goanet] GAKUVED warns mining industry in Goa Gawada, Kunbi, Velip & Dhangar Federation (GAKUVED) express shock on the charge in the statement issued by the Hon'ble Opposition Leader Shri Manohar Parrikar against our Co-ordinator of 'Mand' Shri Sebastian Rodrigues. GAKUVED strongly condemn and denies the charge levied on our O-odinator as naxalite. In fact Shri Sebastian Rodrigues is working with and helping GAKUVED for the last four year in their activities. GAKUVED has formed a unit called 'MAND' - An Adivasi-rights Resource Centre and Shri Sebastian Rodrigues is the Co-ordinator of the same. Because the News Agencies in Goa do not take any interest in publishing our news there was a need for us to go for other media and GAKUVED has formed the blog of its own http://www.mandgoa.blogspot.com/ where all the information about day to day activities carried by GAKUVED is posted for the information of general public. GAKUVED will always remain steadfast in its support to people fighting Land and Mining issues at all cost without paying heed to either fascist Mr. Manohar Parrikar or terrorist mining industry in Goa. Pandurang Kukalkar Secretary, GAKUVED COMMENTS Shri. Pandurang Kukalkar conested the last June 2007 Assembly Elections from the Santa Cruz Constituency as an Indepedent Candidate. His election Symbol was 'TWO CANDLES" the free Symbol chosen by the Goa Su-Raj Party for all its candidates contesting elections since 2002 as a common 'Symbol' for the Party since it is yet to open its account in the Goa Legislative Assembly to obtain 'recognition' from the Election Commission of India to become the 'recognised' political party to be alloted a 'symbol' of its choice. which will be the 'Light House'. It was not a coincident for Pandurang Kukalkar to choose this symbol. His entire nomination papers were prepared from the office of the Goa Su-Raj Party. Filing the nomination papers as an 'Independent' was for tactical reasons. floriano goasuraj
[Goanet] Fw: Press Statement
July 01, 2008 To, The Editor, Gomantak Times, Gomantak Bhavan, St. Inez-Panjim. Via Fax No. 2421163 / 2422700 & E-mail Kind Attn. Shri. Derek Almeida Sir, Sub: Press Statement for kind favour of Publication. Please find the Party's response to the statement of the President of the GPYC Shri. Sankalp Amonkar regarding the naxalite involvement of our Party member Shri. Seby Rodrigues in the anti-mining agitations of the people of Goa. Since the accusations made by Shri. Manohar Parrikar and the President of the GPYC are of a serious nature, we sincerely request you, sir, to give the same prominence to this statement of the Party in your esteemed daily as you have given to the statements made by Shri. Manohar Parrikar and the President GPYC. Otherwise, we shall be left with no other choice but to infer that you are not interested in publishing the other side of the story. Thanking you, Yours sincerely, for GOA SU-RAJ PARTY Sd/- (Floriano C. Lobo) Gen. Secretary/Spokesperson Press Statement The Goa Su-Raj Party has already gone on record to confirm that Sebastian Rodrigues (Seby) is the valued member of this Party and that he is not a naxalite as wrongly and maliciously publicized. If he were to have any links with the naxal movements, he would cease to be associated with this Party. The Goa Su-Raj Party would like to set the record strait that like Seby Rodrigues now, other Executive Members of this Party responsible for the formation of this Party, had been, during their younger days, vigorously campaigning in the mining belts against the unscrupulous and highly detrimental mining activities in Goa to extract iron ore and, its ill effects on the population, directly affecting their health, their agricultural fields, their water sources as well as causing heavy pollution to the waterways and rivers through the run-off of the mining rejects during the monsoons, the weakening of the bunds lining the banks of the rivers due to the movement of iron-ore laden barges, causing breaches in the bunds, thereby destroying the cultivable fields through salt-water ingress. They are fully supportive of the activities of their co-member Shri. Seby Rodrigues and commend and congratulate him for his tireless work in bringing awareness to the people of Goa over the increased irresponsible mining activity that is killing them slowly. Goa Su-Raj Party expects an apology from Shri. Manohar Parrikar, the supposed to be 'responsible' leader of the Opposition, who has attacked with slander and libel the good character of an individual whose only interest has been to get a better deal for those generations of people, on whom the mine-owning class has been trampling upon in the last more than fifty years to inundate everything that directly sustains their lives, making them the fugitives in their own lands, failing which, this Party will encourage and support any Civil or Criminal action that our member Shri. Seby Rodrigues may choose to take in a Court of Law (and not like the naxals 'in another forum') to vindicate his good name and honor which Shri. Manohar Parrikar has gone to great lengths to destroy to appease the mine owners. In context with the statement made by Shri. Sankalp Amonkar, President of the Goa Pradesh Youth Congress [GPYC] in the section of the press (GT -30 June, 2008), the Goa Su-Raj Party is glad to see that at last the worms are coming out of the woodwork. The nexus between the Youth Wing of the Congress Party and the mining lobby has been cleanly exposed. It is unbelievable that a wing of the Congress Party should echo the words of the (sworn) enemy of the parent Party without bothering to find out the true facts of the matter for themselves, first, before coming out with a cowardly statement which relies upon the ' foolish revelations' by Shri. Manohar Parrikar. End.
Re: [Goanet] Goa of Our Dreams: Living Within a China Wall (ArunSinha)
Selma, Since morning, after I have read this article in the NT, I could'nt wait to comment on it. But being busy the whole day, I am here to do the needful and voila! I see your comments. I shall go ahead and do what I must do, the usual thing, when I like what is said and disagree with other things which according to me are not. Though Arun Sinha has taken a dislike for my face when I was very very critical of his certain comments on Goans during the Meta Strip imbroglio, I have sent appreciative letters to him whenever he has made good sense. This one, as far as I am concerned, is one such article which makes good sense but I shall, as you will see, will want to disagree on a few points that he has made out. And Rocky has done me a favour so I don't have to re-type it all over again. b/rgds floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Carvalho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa of Our Dreams: Living Within a China Wall (ArunSinha) I couldn't help reading this article over and over again. How the crystal clear lucid thoughts of this non-Goan, have articulated exactly the problem facing Goa. When I read the posts of such non-Goans as Sinha and Thomas Philip, I ask myself why is it that only non-Goans have this vision for Goa. Is it because their kaleidoscope of thought is so much broader? Their lens so much clearer. I've also found the non-Goans on this forum like the Sen Guptas and the Gadgils to be the least xenophobic. It is only us Goans who talk about Niz Goenkarponn and Goenkar rogott and think it is a badge of honour. That includes me, who is not immune to good old fashioned jingoism so easily aroused by emotion but which generally dies with the cold light of rationalisation. When I read this, I wish for more and more such intelligent, articulate people to come from whichever part of the world and settle in Goa. Goa needs you. selma --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Although I am one with them with a banner in their procession—because my Mandovi was robbed from me—I am still confused about what saving Goa means. Does it mean freezing Goa, as it exists today? Does it mean stopping all human activities that cause browning and overcrowding of Goa?
Re: [Goanet] Goan Intrigues and incarnation
Well said that, Pravin Cheers floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Pravin Sabnis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "goanet" Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 4:27 PM Subject: [Goanet] Goan Intrigues and incarnation Jason wrote: More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be credited with being the true incarnation of Hitler. I think that is a totally unfair comment on Rajan. Hitler did not go around photographing the destruction that lay behind in the gas chambers. So there. To many it can seem that Rajan's captions are excessive but if you go out there on ground, the reality is sometimes worse than what any camera can capture..
Re: [Goanet] My Sincere Request...
Satyawan = means 'Khoro' or 'NIZ' ??? Govekar = 'Goemkar' ??? If that be so, then this question needs to be answered, sincerely. ?Can a Maharashtrian be a Satyawan Govekar aka Khoro Goemkar aka Niz Goemkar ? A food for thought for goanetters floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Satyawan Govekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "goanet" Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 8:14 PM Subject: [Goanet] My Sincere Request... Dr. Barad is writing that I request Goanet (Moderators as well as Owner) to delete all the messages posted by Satyavan Govekar to Goanet from the archives of Goanet. JUST TWO DAYS AGO THE SAME MAN IS SAYING THAT HE IS LOVING TO READ MY MESSAGES. Goannetters please note the point. Satyamev Jayate
Re: [Goanet] Sebastian Rodrigues - Not a Naxalite - a Bonafide Goa's anti-mining Activist - A Press note for kind favour of publication.
Date: 20 June, 2008 The Goa Su-Raj Party rubbishes the allegations made by Shri. Manohar Parrikar, the Opposition Leader, Chairman of the Ad-Hoc Committee on Police-Home which had its deliberations on 19 June, 2008 at the Goa Legislative Assembly Complex that Shri. Sebastian Rodrigues is a naxal operating in Goa's mining belts. The Goa Su-Raj Party was represented in the above deliberations by its General Secretary Shri. Floriano Lobo, who also deposed before the Committee during the morning session. Shri. Sebastian Rodrigues is a member of the Party, a well informed activist against the mining atrocities in Goa. He is encouraged and aided by the Party to make the people of Goa's mining belts aware that the mineral resources of Goa is the 'Gift of God' to Goa and Goans and not to the mine owners/operators, nor to the Government of Goa and/or to the Central government. The Party has authorized Shri. Sebastian Rodrigues to make the suffering people of Goa's mining belts aware that if the controlled exploitation of these rich mineral resources of Goa do not benefit Goa and its people, these must remain buried and untouched, irrespective of whether the mining lobby of Goa, the government of Goa or the Central Government likes it or not. Goa Su-Raj Party has, at one time, financed a short video documentary made by Shri. Sebastian Rodrigues on 'Pissurlem Mines' ; the draining of the water from the deep mining pits to afford further mining, resulting in the domestic wells of the locality running dry soon after the monsoon season; cultivable agricultural fields silted, making the tilling of the same impossible, scores of citizens of the locality suffering from TB as a result of the chronic dust pollution and school going children walking miles through ankle deep dust. The Goa Su-Raj Party vouches for Shri. Sebastian Rodrigues. If he is considered to be a part of the Naxal Movement, the Goa Su-Raj Party itself should be considered as such, and warns the Goa police authorities in no uncertain terms of dire consequences in case they feel pressurized by the mining vested interests to exact harassment to our member Shri. Sebastian Rodrigues in connection with the prevailing agitation against destructive mining in Goa. The Goa Su-Raj Party considers the out of power 'Leader of the Opposition' to be in the pay-roll of the Goa's threatened mining lobby and is being used as its spokes person to brew trouble for the people's genuine movement against the destructive mining in Goa. Sd/- Floriano C. Lobo General Secretary, Goa Environmental Action Group & Goa Su-Raj Party
