[Goanet] Dabolim airport
The Dabolim Airport was built in 1955 and before it was stolen in 1961, it was named Aeroporto General Bernardo Guedes. Not to sure how the original name of the airport was changed or discarded. BC It would be very appropriate for the new Airport at Mopa to be named after Goa?s first Chief Minister Dayanand Bandodkar and the Dabolim Airport after Goa?s first Leader of the Opposition, Dr Jack Sequeira.
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[Goanet] Dabolim Airport, Prepaid Taxi Counter, tariff, grade separator etc
Video 13.10.17 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CxSJwsGDQ0 Dabolim Airport, Prepaid Taxi Counter, tariff, grade separator etc Check for More pics https://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/37671746621/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/37622675876/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/37672021781/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/37622860846/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/37622995706/in/photostream/ joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Dabolim Airport New Terminal, Planes landing etc (Pics and Video)
Video 28.2.14 (plane landing scene included) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nIYb4P9gag Some pics Much talked about, twice inaugurated New Terminal gives deserted look No activities at all. Old Terminal functions as normal http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk43/12840298445/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk43/12840307355/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk43/12840388773/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk43/12840397993/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk43/12840407463/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk43/12840414393/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk43/12840774544/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk43/12840424433/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk43/12840356665/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk43/12840361395/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk43/12840365605/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk43/12840447103/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk43/12840388905/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk43/12840822514/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk43/12840399775/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk43/12840831954/in/photostream/ Multi level car park http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk43/12840370165/in/photostream/ cool drinking water at new terminal? http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk43/12840380095/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk43/12840811894/in/photostream/ Old Terminal still in operation Prepaid Taxi Tariff http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk43/12839732074/in/photostream http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk43/12840598463/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk43/12840962864/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk43/12840550175/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk43/12840624603/in/photostream/ Carnival mood / gate http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk43/12840969994/in/photostream/ Plane Landing Special http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk43/12841022754/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk43/12840675673/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk43/12841040924/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk43/12840695873/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk43/12840633235/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk43/12841068224/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk43/12841076174/in/photostream/ joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
Re: [Goanet] Dabolim Airport New Terminal, Planes landing etc (Pics and Video)
Absolutely amazing. Thanks JoeGoauk. One of these days, try and take a boat cruise from Donna Paulo to Dabolim. The beach below, is absolutely fantastic (with dolphins on the way). Mervyn
[Goanet] Dabolim airport
By denying the AAI (Airports Authority of India) the additional land that was promised and paid for by the AAI for infrastructure to support the new Dabolim airport, is the Goa Government playing a double game ? On the one hand it claims that Dabolim airport will continue to be functional, and allowed the construction of what appears to be a beautiful new terminal. On the other hand it probably does not want Dabolim to succeed, in order to push its quest for Mopa airport. Disingenious indeed ! Lets face it, Mopa is dead and should not be built.
[Goanet] Dabolim Airport issue
As for the Dabolim Airport issue, a report in today's Herald is headlined, Alina puts Matanhy's evidence on Dabolim in public domain. The report doesn't say how the public can access the documents. It talks about an article written by Matanha on Aug. 2, 2002 but doesn't provide details nor informs where the article appeared. She talks of a letter by Matanhy but the report fails to inform to who the letter was addressed to. The report says that the notification SO 988 from the Civil Aviation department clarifies that the central government doesn't own the airport. So does it mean that the Navy owns it or the Goa government? More clarity is called for. Alina must pu Matanhy's article, letters and the government notification on the Maka Naka Mopa website. Some days ago I had suggested the MNM website that Alina must to make Matanhy documents available to the public. Now if journalists/researchers are able to access them somewhere it would help in understanding the issue better. Eugene
[Goanet] Dabolim Airport, going to close??
Dabolim Airport, going to close?? Actually, I have posted this at IndiaMike.com on above thread. Then I decided to copy and paste here. Mopa Airport if started now, it will take at least 5-6 years to complete. Some parts of Goa (including farmers from MOPA) are opposing it although,land acquisition process for Mopa is at final stage It is said Dabolim Airport is illegally occupied by the Navy as war booty (when Portuguese left in 1961). Now, Goa has to virtually beg them to grant a piece of land for expansion purpose...and it does not come out so easily. Dabolim is not 24hrs civilian Airport, certain hours of the day reserved for Military operations during which no civilian landing /take-off takes place. Dabolim is under Military control. Even photography is prohibited. One thing is for sure, when MOPA starts, Dabolim will be lost. Navy will put more and more restrictions and eventually, it will be closed for Civilian use. There may be promises and written assurances saying it will continue to operate but then what else we can do if they close it for good on 'National Security grounds'? There is an Island off Karwar Coast belonging to GOA (Anjediva Island). It has Oldest Church of Goa - Our Lady of Brotas (1506), often said mother of all Churches. Goans (including me) and people of Karwar used to Visit there twice a year on the feast days i.e. February 2 and on Oct. 4 feast of St Francis D’Assissi whose chapel is also located here but it is in ruins now.. At the time of handover of Island from Goa Govt to Seabird (Naval project) around 1990s, it was agreed that people will be allowed to visit the island on these two days, it was a part of agreement. But Navy now deny access on 'Security grounds' and nothing can be done about it by the Goa Govt. despite several demands and representation by the devotees every year. That's why I have said, same will be the fate of Dabolim Airport Extra: When I wrote to Parrikar then CM of Goa (Jan.2004) to do something about the forthcoming Anjediva Island feast i.e. Feb2, he replied to me saying it was too late now (18 years old matter) and nothing can be done now (see proof below). Btw, Anjediva handed over in 1986? I don’t think so, around that time we visited the Island On the feast day. Our Pics were also published in Goan Magazines Quote: Dear Group owner (Goan-NRI), I am in receipt of your email dated January 17, 2004. The matter is 18 years old. Nothing can be done now. May please inform. With kind regards, Yours sincerely, Manohar Parrikar Chief Minister of Goa joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Dabolim Airport...
...the Manohar Parrikar Government should hold a referndum - go to the People - ask them if they want the status quo to remain or whether Goans should demand the return of Dabolim Airport to the Gov. of Goa. Surely the Centre cannot dictate, stating the spoils of war! Dabolim was a Civilian Airport and should remain so. The Navy has a big facility at Karwar and they should move there a.s.a.p. - like yesterday. Having the facility at Dabolim makes Goa a legitimate, hit-list strike potential. Does Goa have to take the bullet for the whole of India; i.e. be obliterated? -- DEV BOREM KORUM Gabe Menezes.
[Goanet] Dabolim Airport...
90% of voters (most ghantis) do not know that the airport is a spoils of war. A referendum will dictate the demise of Goa. The bharatis should know that Dabolim is not theirs and get their katli potli back to delhhi. BC ..the Manohar Parrikar Government should hold a referndum - go to the People - ask them if they want the status quo to remain or whether Goans should demand the return of Dabolim Airport to the Gov. of Goa. Surely the Centre cannot dictate, stating the spoils of war! Dabolim was a Civilian Airport and should remain so. The Navy has a big facility ati Karwar and they should move there a.s.a.p. - like yesterday. Having the facility at Dabolim makes Goa a legitimate, hit-list strike potential. Does Goa have to take the bullet for the whole of India; i.e. be obliterated?
Re: [Goanet] Dabolim Airport
My comments are interspersed in Eugene's text. vjp From: Eugene Correia eugene.corr...@gmail.com To: goa...@goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] Dabolim Airport I followed the recent controversy of the airport authority to take over private land to make parking space at Dabolim Airport. It was because of Mauvin Godinho and minister Jose Phillip's intervention that the landlord could save his land, at least for now. + To call Dabolim Airport an international airport is a shame. There is no parking available and cars coming to drop off passengers have to obtain a slip at the entrance. They are fined if they exceed the permitted limit. venantius j pinto: Names and naming., We are a 5,000 year and counting civilization. We do what suits us. That is our international--which does not have to be their international. It will be that or even less what it is now according to our perceptions (planners, politicians and the regular man--often streaked in other swirls--part politico, technocrat, bureaucrat, etc). + (DEL) + As for forcing the navy to vacate Dabolim Airport, the Goa government must make a valid case. It should point out that the Sea Bird project in Karwar can alone handle the needs of the navy and that the central government should consider making Dabolim Airport into a top-class international airport. venantius j pinto: That takes sincere effort. And the State Secretaries are there to ensure deviations that are least people centered and F*%#UPs. Line them up and take a photo. Then see how hard it is for them to wipe off those shit-eating grins even for a photo. + The Goa government must insist that tourism sustains Goa's economy to a large extent. Better facilities at the airport can help make tourists comfortable and gave give a fillip to tourism in the state. venantius j pinto: Paucity of spirit is a part of it the polito-intellectual malaise. Perhaps the Church should have come to the aid of these politicians way back when they were high born (RC priests)-- in unity with Brahmin, Brahman and all. Offered open conferences in Advaita Vedanta of Brahma-siddhi. But am merely I barking here? + I met a wealthy Egyptian who was on a visit to Goa for the first time and he said he was shocked that Goa is promoted as a tourist destination despite the lack of infrastructure. The man has travelled widely across the globe and he said he was dismayed to see Goa's roads so narrow and so dangerous. He said the filth and the car traffic make Goa a nightmare. I doubt he would recommend Goa to his friends, relatives or business associates. venantius j pinto: Its our %#holes who stand to make money off of the wealthy. But they got used to tons of people--simple people, hippies etc who come in large numbers and what they spend adds up. We are a people who generally love SHORTCUTS. But talking about wealth and it applies to all wealthy--if I was relatively wealthy say even in 1/1000, even less and certainly more in the same terms, the Home Desi %#holes would stand to gain a lot from my wealth--well ill gotten or not (perhaps hard earned in both cases) and what may be bought with it. PS all: Figure the last part out. + In the late 70s the navy showed his nefarious design of capturing Bogmallo. There was a fear among the villagers of Bogmallo. The navy had insisted on making it a naval village but later backed off after the villagers showed their dissatisfaction. Hence, the navy bought land on the Dabolim plateau for building its officers flats, schools, etc. The navy has, however, taken over the small beach called Sankrant (now sure of the spelling) just below the runway. As a youngster I used to go to this beach by going over the mountain and down the slope. The beach has a small waterfall. venantius j pinto: Our family lost property in Nerul on the hill/plateau. I believe it was taken for 50 paisa a sq yard. + I know the military is always ambitious and want to expand its hold wherever it has its base, be it army, navy or air force. True, a place like Goa with its natural beauty and beaches, attractions for tourists, should never have allowed to have military presence. The Corps of Signals has its base in Bambolim. INS Hansa and INS Gomantak are based in Dabolim./Vasco area. The previous Goa governments are responsible for this. If the governments of the day had put their foot down the central government would have been forced to abandon its plans to use Goa as a naval base. venantius j pinto: True, and yet at this point what we have had a quiet nouveau aristocracy who have taken what has been seen as available, including alliances--marriage, and otherwise. +. Is is too late in the day for a reversal? People like Floriano may not think so, but I think the process is irreversible. As I said before maybe when Floriano comes to power he can arm himself to fight the central government. But his first battle is to win on the home front -- the elections. DEL Eugene Correia
Re: [Goanet] Dabolim Airport
My earlier response to Eugene has not appeared yet, but allow me to respond to Floriano Lobo. vjp Message: 5 Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 16:46:31 +0530 From: floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Dabolim Airport Again, this is well appreciated, Eugene. vjp: Truly. (DEL) FL: I have said it before and I will say it now. Everyone wants GOA because it gives them prestige and respect plus a jolly good time. And see to what state they have reduced our Goa to. Goa chief minister should be laid a red carpet when he/she visits Delhi. This will happen in good time. But our guys go to Delhi at the beck and call of the Delhi higherups. They can't even get to see the cooks, leave alone their masters. venantius j pinto: Well articulated Floriano. The trappings like red carpets, etc., allude to respect and graciousness--basic stuff and this in itself has not been accorded over the decades. They mean nothing and yet.. The spreading of red carpets in any case are learned behaviors. They are relevant only in as much as the use of that visual language and protocol suggests how any given people and their representatives are seen. Of course the Center is not even willing to fake it, since there is something like a perennial rubbing or fondling that has something of a erosive nature. Forget the Catholic/Christian--what I see is a peculiar contempt towards not just towards the non-Hindu, but even the Goan Hindu (being a majority for sure)--and in this regard the politicians have been complicit in not telling the Center to take a Flying F***. EVEN CANNIBALS DO NOT EAT THEIR OWN. (If anyone knows they do, keep it to yourselves). That is where the colleoni comes in. But a Maserati, a Bugatti, a Lancia, a Ducati for the aandh-less progeny will do. The CMs etc should summon the aandh, gunteo to at least ridicule Delhi in the Goan media. Even this too can be faked --as are faked orgasms which drive men crazy when they find out. But even that pathetic trapping is not accorded to the Goan people. That is feudalism of some coaxial kind, where we all line up and screw each other, then shout out Biva, Biva maruya. Hanv tuji martam, tum mhaji mar--lokank pau ani circus dakhouya. Goans have to learn to use high satire, contempt, ridicule as part of their angst;; and anyone who can teach this to ones own and friends should do so. Perhaps the priests can give this a shot. Other Goans should STFU** and let those who say things say them. This has nothing to do with muzzling anyone. ** Cut the smarmy bits out. (DEL) Cheers and B/rgds floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org
Re: [Goanet] Dabolim Airport
Message: 5 Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 16:46:31 +0530 From: floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com But our guys go to Delhi at the beck and call of the Delhi higherups. They can't even get to see the cooks, leave alone their masters. venantius j pinto: For a Goan minister to meet a Goan cook, failing which some other cook should be a honor. At least one would know who cooked what was served.
Re: [Goanet] Dabolim Airport
A very good delivery, VJP. Keep that up and I will fall in love with you. And I am equally frustrated with our so called freedom fighters ( who are but just pension-fighters and eaters) If this breed had any self respect, they wouldn't have bowed down to these A*** H from Delhi whatever. But dogs are dogs. They put their tails between their legs and run when kicked Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org PS: Happy Easter to you all. - Original Message - From: Venantius J Pinto venantius.pi...@gmail.com To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Dabolim Airport My earlier response to Eugene has not appeared yet, but allow me to respond to Floriano Lobo. vjp Message: 5 Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 16:46:31 +0530 From: floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Dabolim Airport Again, this is well appreciated, Eugene. vjp: Truly. (DEL) FL: I have said it before and I will say it now. Everyone wants GOA because it gives them prestige and respect plus a jolly good time. And see to what state they have reduced our Goa to. Goa chief minister should be laid a red carpet when he/she visits Delhi. This will happen in good time. But our guys go to Delhi at the beck and call of the Delhi higherups. They can't even get to see the cooks, leave alone their masters. venantius j pinto: Well articulated Floriano. The trappings like red carpets, etc., allude to respect and graciousness--basic stuff and this in itself has not been accorded over the decades. They mean nothing and yet.. The spreading of red carpets in any case are learned behaviors. They are relevant only in as much as the use of that visual language and protocol suggests how any given people and their representatives are seen. Of course the Center is not even willing to fake it, since there is something like a perennial rubbing or fondling that has something of a erosive nature.
Re: [Goanet] Dabolim Airport
I read somewhere that the landlord of the land that the airport authorities are seeking for expansion of parking space saying he paid Rs 5 crores to the politicians who forced the government to prevent taking over the land. So the politicians made money on this issue. They did not care if the airport needs additional space for parking. So the issue of parking space will keep hanging fire. What's the solution now? Eugene
Re: [Goanet] Dabolim Airport
I followed the recent controversy of the airport authority to take over private land to make parking space at Dabolim Airport. It was because of Mauvin Godinho and minister Jose Phillip's intervention that the landlord could save his land, at least for now. To call Dabolim Airport an international airport is a shame. There is no parking available and cars coming to drop off passengers have to obtain a slip at the entrance. They are fined if they exceed the permitted limit. Cars awaiting passengers are lined up on either side of the Dabolim road, opposite the airport. It is a sad sight to see the whole place crammed up with cars. I am told that more than 40 flights come and take off daily from the airport. With such high traffic, the amenities offered at the airport are inadequate. Something needs to be done, and done fast. The airport is already an eyesore. As for forcing the navy to vacate Dabolim Airport, the Goa government must make a valid case. It should point out that the Sea Bird project in Karwar can alone handle the needs of the navy and that the central government should consider making Dabolim Airport into a top-class international airport. The Goa government must insist that tourism sustains Goa's economy to a large extent. Better facilities at the airport can help make tourists comfortable and gave give a fillip to tourism in the state. I met a wealthy Egyptian who was on a visit to Goa for the first time and he said he was shocked that Goa is promoted as a tourist destination despite the lack of infrastructure. The man has travelled widely across the globe and he said he was dismayed to see Goa's roads so narrow and so dangerous. He said the filth and the car traffic make Goa a nightmare. I doubt he would recommend Goa to his friends, relatives or business associates. In the late 70s the navy showed his nefarious design of capturing Bogmallo. There was a fear among the villagers of Bogmallo. The navy had insisted on making it a naval village but later backed off after the villagers showed their dissatisfaction. Hence, the navy bought land on the Dabolim plateau for building its officers flats, schools, etc. The navy has, however, taken over the small beach called Sankrant (now sure of the spelling) just below the runway. As a youngster I used to go to this beach by going over the mountain and down the slope. The beach has a small waterfall. I know the military is always ambitious and want to expand its hold wherever it has its base, be it army, navy or air force. True, a place like Goa with its natural beauty and beaches, attractions for tourists, should never have allowed to have military presence. The Corps of Signals has its base in Bambolim. INS Hansa and INS Gomantak are based in Dabolim./Vasco area. The previous Goa governments are responsible for this. If the governments of the day had put their foot down the central government would have been forced to abandon its plans to use Goa as a naval base. Is is too late in the day for a reversal? People like Floriano may not think so, but I think the process is irreversible. As I said before maybe when Floriano comes to power he can arm himself to fight the central government. But his first battle is to win on the home front -- the elections. On the other hand, can people like Floriano rally the forces into people power and force the navy on a retreat? Of late, we have seen umpteen rallies for a number of causes. It's Chalo Lohia Maidan, etc. Floriano can sound the call for Chalo Delhi. But, as they say, Delhi Dur Hai. Eugene Correia
Re: [Goanet] Dabolim Airport
Again, this is well appreciated, Eugene. People like you who have the inner knowledge can shed some light as to what is happening and what has been happening for the past 49 years. And it will help. No democratic government (or for that matter a dictatoship) can survive the force and power of the people. Example: Tunisia Egypt. Soon to follow is Libya and then Syria et al. People, of late have realized their latent power. All they have to do is come together on one point agenda, leaving all differences out like language, religion and caste and forge ahead to redeem themselves from the hypocrites. Goa is a waiting bomb that India will not be able to handle casually. The lies that have gone as truth for such a long time must be called and rubbed into the faces of the powers that be in Delhi. I have said it before and I will say it now. Everyone wants GOA because it gives them prestige and respect plus a jolly good time. And see to what state they have reduced our Goa to. Goa chief minister should be laid a red carpet when he/she visits Delhi. This will happen in good time. But our guys go to Delhi at the beck and call of the Delhi higherups. They can't even get to see the cooks, leave alone their masters. Goa Su-Raj has no competition. And it is not in a hurry to get to power. Power will come to it when the people of Goa called GOANS want themselves to be in power instead of some arse-hole who give them some chanda here and there. Cheers and B/rgds floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org - Original Message - From: Eugene Correia eugene.corr...@gmail.com To: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Dabolim Airport I followed the recent controversy of the airport authority to take over private land to make parking space at Dabolim Airport. It was because of Mauvin Godinho and minister Jose Phillip's intervention that the landlord could save his land, at least for now. To call Dabolim Airport an international airport is a shame. There is no parking available and cars coming to drop off passengers have to obtain a slip at the entrance. They are fined if they exceed the permitted limit. Cars awaiting passengers are lined up on either side of the Dabolim road, opposite the airport. It is a sad sight to see the whole place crammed up with cars. I am told that more than 40 flights come and take off daily from the airport. With such high traffic, the amenities offered at the airport are inadequate. Something needs to be done, and done fast. The airport is already an eyesore. As for forcing the navy to vacate Dabolim Airport, the Goa government must make a valid case. It should point out that the Sea Bird project in Karwar can alone handle the needs of the navy and that the central government should consider making Dabolim Airport into a top-class international airport. The Goa government must insist that tourism sustains Goa's economy to a large extent. Better facilities at the airport can help make tourists comfortable and gave give a fillip to tourism in the state. I met a wealthy Egyptian who was on a visit to Goa for the first time and he said he was shocked that Goa is promoted as a tourist destination despite the lack of infrastructure. The man has travelled widely across the globe and he said he was dismayed to see Goa's roads so narrow and so dangerous. He said the filth and the car traffic make Goa a nightmare. I doubt he would recommend Goa to his friends, relatives or business associates. In the late 70s the navy showed his nefarious design of capturing Bogmallo. There was a fear among the villagers of Bogmallo. The navy had insisted on making it a naval village but later backed off after the villagers showed their dissatisfaction. Hence, the navy bought land on the Dabolim plateau for building its officers flats, schools, etc. The navy has, however, taken over the small beach called Sankrant (now sure of the spelling) just below the runway. As a youngster I used to go to this beach by going over the mountain and down the slope. The beach has a small waterfall. I know the military is always ambitious and want to expand its hold wherever it has its base, be it army, navy or air force. True, a place like Goa with its natural beauty and beaches, attractions for tourists, should never have allowed to have military presence. The Corps of Signals has its base in Bambolim. INS Hansa and INS Gomantak are based in Dabolim./Vasco area. The previous Goa governments are responsible for this. If the governments of the day had put their foot down the central government would have been forced to abandon its plans to use Goa as a naval base. Is is too late in the day for a reversal? People like Floriano may not think so, but I think the process is irreversible. As I said before maybe when Floriano comes to power he can arm himself to fight the central government. But his first battle is to win
Re: [Goanet] Dabolim Airport
Floriano has been very provocate. Even if Goan men have Goan balls, it does not mean they must rally for each and every thing that some leaders, perhaps like Floriano, of Goa Su Raj Party, think is worthy of a fight. The Dabolim issue has lingered for years. I wish it also becomes civilian. But we must consider India's defence priorities. If the Navy feels that the Dabolim airport is strategic then the Central government has the right to keep it the way it is. Our regional feelings can take a second seat. It was because of its ideal loccation that the Navy took control of it. Since the alternative Mopa airport is now in the doldrums, it would be in ther interest of both Navy and the Goa government to work out a solution for the purpose and use of it as naval and civilivan airport. I doubt Goan Balls would convince the Navy to give up the airport. A dialogue seems a better way out. The Navy has also seized one of the two islands that can be seen from Marmagoa Harbour, Baina, Holland and Bogmallo beaches. I recently went on one of them (I think Island of Bats). It is also known as San Jorge Island (St. George island). The other one is Island of Bats The Navy is obviously playing hardball: with Goan Balls. Eugene .
Re: [Goanet] Dabolim Airport
On 19 April 2011 12:44, Eugene Correia eugene.corr...@gmail.com wrote: Even if Goan men have Goan balls, it does not mean they must rally for each and every thing that some leaders, perhaps like Floriano, of Goa Su Raj Party, think is worthy of a fight. ... The other one is Island of Bats The Navy is obviously playing hardball: with Goan Balls. Guys, the right non-four-letter-word would probably be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone Though in medical terms, I would qualify to be called a quack (quack, quack!) after reading your dicussions, I learnt something this afternoon. Including: The relationship between testosterone and aggression in humans has been examined in many studies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone#Testosterone_and_aggression AND Environmental factors affecting testosterone levels include: Loss of status or dominance in men may result in a decreased testosterone level. Implicit power motivation predicts an increased testosterone release in men. Aging reduces testosterone release. Hypogonadism Sleep (REM dream) increases nocturnal testosterone levels. Resistance training increases testosterone levels, however, in older men, that increase can be avoided by protein ingestion. Zinc deficiency lowers testosterone levels but over supplementation has no effect on serum testosterone. Licorice. The active ingredient in licorice root, glycyrrhizinic acid has been linked to small, clinically non-significant decreases in testosterone levels. In contrast, a more recent study found that licorice administration produced a substantial testosterone decrease in a small, female-only sample. Natural or man-made antiandrogens including spearmint tea reduce testosterone levels. QUESTION: Does this say something about the debates on Goanet? In Cafe Prakash, my also-quack friend Dr Ashley has a speedy-quick analysis for anything going wrong with a discussion. Sex-vaddla, as he puts it. Those who understand Konkani (medium of instruction or not) will understand. FN FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 (after 2pm) #784 Nr Lourdes Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India http://fn.goa-india.org http://goa1556.goa-india.org
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Dear Floriano, An excellent piece of explanation. I am also gathering some important material on the subject. Please ensure and explain Eugene, we will work on all possible methods and that’s why I said, If nothing happens then…. By the way, after your letter was published in the Herald dated 18th, I have received a letter from Mr. Maximiano Paes from Alto Dabolim, just this afternoon by ordinary surface mail, which I am planning to reproduce on this forum after receiving his approval. Thanks for your understanding and support. By the way, I met one Mr. Eugene in Toronto, when I went to attend the Convention organized by GOA in 1988. Late Chris Perry, Braz Gonsalves and GAVANA, we all stayed together with Mr. Joe de Souza, in Toronto. Eugene, are you the same one? Lawrence Fernandes From: floriano Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 4:05 AM To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! Dear Eugene, Yes. Your are very right. Floriano is provocating Goans. Because, Floriano does not want to live a lie that 'Goa was liberated' And by so doing, he does not want GOANS also to live a lie. Supreme Court of India has ruled that Goa was annexed and not liberated by India.
Re: [Goanet] Dabolim Airport
Dear Eugene, Yes. Your are very right. Floriano is provocating Goans. Because, Floriano does not want to live a lie that 'Goa was liberated' And by so doing, he does not want GOANS also to live a lie. Supreme Court of India has ruled that Goa was annexed and not liberated by India. http://www.icrc.org/ihl-nat.nsf/46707c419d6bdfa24125673e00508145/a693a13f3cdd399ec12563b8002b1c41!OpenDocument http://nizgoenkar.blogspot.com/2011/02/goa-liberation-day-by-paulo-colaco-dias.html http://nizgoenkar.blogspot.com/2011/02/goa-liberation-day-by-paulo-colaco-dias.html India was supposed to call for a referendum if Goans wanted to remain separate or merge with India. This was not done, it having been part of the UN-Geneva accords. India relied on faltu persons like the so called Goan freedom fighters ( ex. Flavian Dias ( who in fact is a mergerist) , along with the likes of Lambert Mascarehas etc). Goa was not the constituent assembly w.r.t. the Constitution of India. Goa was included into the Constitution of India without a referendum. If referendum was called for, Goa could have opted to be merged with India with certain conditions. One of them would be 'Special Status' which Goans are now demanding. The Portuguese, after having been humiliatingly kicked out of Goa, connived with India to sign the Cooperation treaty without even asking Goans. If Goans were asked, we would have told them to sign the treaty but only after including the Special Status requirements. Come to think of it, Portugal wanted to hand-over the reins of Goa into the hands of Goans. But that was too late when India had already amassed its forces on the Goan borders. Adv. Bruto da Costa was admittedly approached to take over the reins of Goa. He refused stating that it was too late. Salazar was stupid enough not to think in these terms, earlier, and went by the non-violence preaching charlatan that was PANDIT JAWAHARLAL NEHRU, who eventually stabbed him in the back as well as the world over. Like East Timor, which dispatched mighty Indonesia to get it's independence only because the Portuguese had refused to sign the Treaty, Goa could have dispatched India to get its independence if the Portuguese had not come back like dogs with their tails between their legs to sign the 1974 Cooperation Treaty with India. No liberating forces holds on to the spoils of war ( strategic? my foot FYI the Indian navy is having a ball in Goa. Defense is the last word on its vocabulary. It cannot even secure Goan beaches from the pervading tar balls which in fact is the crude oil washing discharge from passing oil tankers). India liberated East Pakistan ( Bangladesh) Does it have its naval presence there?? If Goa was liberated, within 2 to 3 years India should have cleared from Goa and that too with the required referendum, if the referendum had to go against merger of Goa into India. The very fact that Dabolim airport is held on to by the Indian Navy tells a long story of Annexation. I don't want to celebrate 50 years of Goa's LIBERATION. I want to celebrate the same with BLACK FLAGS ALL OVER GOA to tell India to get lost from Goa OR grant it the SPECIAL STATUS that it deserves and needs badly before it becomes un-recognizable as GOA that was. Indian citizenship has been forced on me ( down my gullet) without my asking for it. Let me ask for it and then and only then I shall welcome it. In the meantime, I am a thoroughbred GOAN and shall remain a GOAN. As I have said earlier, I don't want to live a lie that Goa was liberated. It is okay for Karmalis and Flavian Diases to roll over with happiness being liberated because they are the ones who are not the freedom fighters but PENSION FIGHTERS. These guys are prostitutes who have no self-respect and who have sold Goa into the waiting hands of INDIA. And to end, I do wish that Goans like you had them, I mean the 'Goan Balls'. Unfortunately for Goa and fortunately for your own miserable existence, yours have withered away into nothingness. :-)) What a pity !! Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org - Original Message - From: Eugene Correia eugene.corr...@gmail.com To: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Dabolim Airport Floriano has been very provocate. Even if Goan men have Goan balls, it does not mean they must rally for each and every thing that some leaders, perhaps like Floriano, of Goa Su Raj Party, think is worthy of a fight. The Dabolim issue has lingered for years. I wish it also becomes civilian. But we must consider India's defence priorities. If the Navy feels that the Dabolim airport is strategic then the Central government has the right to keep it the way it is. Our regional feelings can take a second seat. It was because of its ideal loccation that the Navy took control of it. Since the alternative Mopa airport is now in the doldrums, it would be in ther interest of both Navy and the Goa government
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Provocation is fine as long as it is going to get useful results. It's your privilege not to believe that Goa was liberated and that Goa was annexed. These points are now academic. The reality is that Goa is now an integral part of India. It is impossible for people to change Goa's fortunes. I am not going to debate the gains or losses of Goa's liberation or, if I may say so, Goa's freedom. I have studied Goa's liberation case in good detail. It is true that the Indian Supreme Court followed international jurisprudence in coming to its conclusion that Goa was annexed. You cannot compare Goa's case with that of Bangladesh. Indian forces helped the Bangladesh revolutionaries gain independence from Pakistan. In military terms it was a big gain for India to have a separate entity called Bangladesh. I will spare the details as to how India has now made itself secure from any possible attacks by Pakistan from two flanks. I know the UN resolution and all that followed after Indian forces marched into Goa. It would have been a wise decision on the part of Portugal if Salazar had given the option of referendum to Goans. Or, gone away like the French who quietly departed from Pondicherry. International opinion did go against India regarding taking over Goa. However, India had the backing of US and Russia. The support from these two countries mattered. Nehru would not have embarked on a military mission if JF Kennedy had not given an okay, even though Portugal was a member, like the US, of NATO. Everything is okay in hindsight. That Salazar wanted to give Goa into the hands of Goans is an excuse to win sympathy from Goans. If he wished, he would have done it earlier. He saw the writing on the wall and Salazar felt he could save his face by handing Goa over to Goans. Goa is not spoils of war. India believed Goa was part of India and, hence, acted in the manner it did -- liberating it from foreign forces and reuniting it with India. The Indian Navy got Dabolim Airport. So, what's wrong with it? Goans still unhappy with Goa's freedom harp on the theme that Nehru promised to keep Goa's cultural and social identity. it was his vision that was later forgotten by the prime ministes who followed him. In politics, nothing is sacrosanct. Since you are a politician you should know that.. Forget the past and concentrate on the present. Get your Su Raj party to form a government and shape Goa in your vision. It would be your victory, and Goa would be once again liberated from the evil forces that have it in its grip. The challenge for you is to get into power. Once in the saddle, you can then fight the central government for special status. The freedom fighters did what they wanted to do. It was their mission and they succeeded. As much as you call them prostitutes, they, in turn, can call those who supported Portuguese rule as pimps of the Portuguese. It's a game of name-calling. There are no winners and there are no losers. So, Goans like me have no Goan Balls? If you and those like you have them, then please showcase them in one of Goa's museums. Are they golden or made of brass and do sparks fly when they clash? If sparks do fly, the Portuguese could hear back and come running to your aid. I pity you for not only living a lie but also living in a fool's paradise. Eugene Correia PS: Yes, Lawrence I am the same Eugene Correia.
[Goanet] Dabolim Airport
Hi Floriano, Excellent comment/defense!. I guess some of the netters write for the sake of. Not only Dabolim Airport is occupied by the Navy, there is more land of Goa occupied by them at different areas in Goa, besides the Islands which never was under the Portuguese Government, not only this the Indian Military have occupied much more Goan lands that it looks Goa is made as a fortress for whole of India, Compare to other States of India, Goa is a tiny state and if one goes to look the Goan land which Indian Defense forces have occupied proportionate to Bigger States of India it is not justified. It looks any one come to Goa and uses it as if Goa is like a prostitute that any one come and sleep with it. Portuguese Military in Navelim, Ravonfondd was with few hundreds of square meters, but when Indian Military took it over they have expanded and extended it to over number of Square Kilometers, that they needed to occupy large part of Navelim, they have uprooted completely one of a ward called Kottok full of people with profession of Pot makers, besides this they have occupied two of adjacent hills for their training purposes. Can this much of land occupied in Navelim and several other places in tiny Goa justify proportionately to other bigger Indian States like Maharashtra, Karnataka etc..? India used Goa in any way they want as if there is no one in Goa to question them, perhaps they acted like invading forces only and not as liberators of Goa. Elvino. Message: 8 Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 07:36:19 -0400 From: floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com To: goa...@goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] Dabolim Airport Message-ID: 4dad73b3.3010...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Dear Eugene, Yes. Your are very right. Floriano is provocating Goans. Because, Floriano does not want to live a lie that 'Goa was liberated' And by so doing, he does not want GOANS also to live a lie. Supreme Court of India has ruled that Goa was annexed and not liberated by India. http://www.icrc.org/ihl-nat.nsf/46707c419d6bdfa24125673e00508145/a693a13f3cdd399ec12563b8002b1c41!OpenDocument http://nizgoenkar.blogspot.com/2011/02/goa-liberation-day-by-paulo-colaco-dias.html http://nizgoenkar.blogspot.com/2011/02/goa-liberation-day-by-paulo-colaco-dias.html India was supposed to call for a referendum if Goans wanted to remain separate or merge with India. This was not done, it having been part of the UN-Geneva accords. India relied on faltu persons like the so called Goan freedom fighters ( ex. Flavian Dias ( who in fact is a mergerist) , along with the likes of Lambert Mascarehas etc). Goa was not the constituent assembly w.r.t. the Constitution of India. Goa was included into the Constitution of India without a referendum. If referendum was called for, Goa could have opted to be merged with India with certain conditions. One of them would be 'Special Status' which Goans are now demanding. The Portuguese, after having been humiliatingly kicked out of Goa, connived with India to sign the Cooperation treaty without even asking Goans. If Goans were asked, we would have told them to sign the treaty but only after including the Special Status requirements. Come to think of it, Portugal wanted to hand-over the reins of Goa into the hands of Goans. But that was too late when India had already amassed its forces on the Goan borders. Adv. Bruto da Costa was admittedly approached to take over the reins of Goa. He refused stating that it was too late. Salazar was stupid enough not to think in these terms, earlier, and went by the non-violence preaching charlatan that was PANDIT JAWAHARLAL NEHRU, who eventually stabbed him in the back as well as the world over. Like East Timor, which dispatched mighty Indonesia to get it's independence only because the Portuguese had refused to sign the Treaty, Goa could have dispatched India to get its independence if the Portuguese had not come back like dogs with their tails between their legs to sign the 1974 Cooperation Treaty with India. No liberating forces holds on to the spoils of war ( strategic? my foot FYI the Indian navy is having a ball in Goa. Defense is the last word on its vocabulary. It cannot even secure Goan beaches from the pervading tar balls which in fact is the crude oil washing discharge from passing oil tankers). India liberated East Pakistan ( Bangladesh) Does it have its naval presence there?? If Goa was liberated, within 2 to 3 years India should have cleared from Goa and that too with the required referendum, if the referendum had to go against merger of Goa into India. The very fact that Dabolim airport is held on to by the Indian Navy tells a long story of Annexation. I don't want to celebrate 50 years of Goa's LIBERATION. I want to celebrate the same with BLACK FLAGS ALL OVER GOA to tell India to get lost from Goa OR grant it the SPECIAL STATUS that it deserves and needs badly before it becomes un-recognizable as GOA that was. Indian
[Goanet] Dabolim airport - Buses
Years ago there were regular bus services between Dabolim airport and Panjim, which was convenient and cheap for people living in North Goa. Today with the taxis charge Rs.700 to Rs.750 from the airport to Calangute and Anjuna respectively. This is ridiculously high!!! Isn't there a solution for this or is this business a monopoly of the taxis only? North Goa people, please help!! Bernice Pereira Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/
[Goanet] Dabolim airport - Buses
[Goanet] Dabolim airport - Buses Yes, I too remember the Indian Airlines Coach leaving from Dempo house at noon. I think it was free for its Pax. There were no pvt. or low fare airlines then, yet the coach seen coming almost half empty. Goa Tourist Taxi owners would not be happy about it if any shuttle service is re-started. Currently, they are at war with the Hotel Management for encouraging pvt. or charted tours. Pre-paid taxis drivers at Dabolim too would not take it lightly. Most tourist arriving on charter flights with package like HB/FB basis, their transfers to and fro airport are included in the package. Coming to the fare they charge from Anjun to Dabolim airport i.e. Rs.750 sounds quite reasonable to me. Going by the pre-paid Taxi charge (see link below) chart which is 2 years old, one can see the charges are almost the same. See pre-paid Taxi charge Chart from Airport. http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk8/1231556200/sizes/l/ If one has no heavy baggage, he can still take KTC shuttle service to Vasco and get down at Chicalim airport road junction and then take a motor cycle pilot who may charge say Rs.35. Rickshaw may also be available there. Alternately, using the same shuttle bus, one can even get down at Vasco city and then take a taxi from there (near MMC) and it should cost around Rs.125 IMP: KTC shuttles are not design to take heavy baggage like suitcases etc. It has no luggage box or compartment. Only a light hand bag may be allowed to carry with you. Quote: Years ago there were regular bus services between Dabolim airport and Panjim, which was convenient and cheap for people living in North Goa. Today with the taxis charge Rs.700 to Rs.750 from the airport to Calangute and Anjuna respectively. This is ridiculously high!!! Isn't there a solution for this or is this business a monopoly of the taxis only? North Goa people, please help!! == joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Dabolim Airport
Military strategists the world over or at least in countries that boast of their military power, keep their military hardware as far away as possible from the heavily populated areas. In military thinking,, in case of war the civilian population tend to suffer most due to indiscriminate fire power of the enemy. Take the case of Dabolim navy airport. The naval authorities insist on staying put among the heavily populated area of Vasco town. In case of war , which heavens forbid, there is a possibility the civilians will be the main casualty due to the indiscriminate targeting by the enemy.. During colonial days Mormugao and Vasco were not so heavily populated as they are today.Hence, it would be highly desirable if naval authorities had to shift lock stock barrel to at least Karwar area and leave Dabolim airport entirely for the civilian use. Antonio
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Yes indeed, the cost will be much, much less, even if the govt. had to pay off the Navy to do so. However, this solution will be quite unpalatable to thoseinvestors who have already purchased land in and around Mopa hoping to make a quick buck in addition to the other quick buck they would make as contractors and suppliers and what have you. --- On Tue, 26/8/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 6. I am not convinced why the government could not intensify its efforts to move the navy to Karwar and upgrade the Dabolim airlort which would cost much less. regards, Marshall Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset
[Goanet] DABOLIM AIRPORT SUFFERS SETBACK
Logically, Dabolim airport in its centralised location serves both North and South equally well in terms of distance, pricing of taxi fares etc. With the exception of a certain district in North Goa and other vested interests in Maharashtra, the entire state of Goa seems to want Dabolim Airport.[Sheila Dza] Sheila, your comparison of Dabolim and Mopa suggests to me the use of the imagery underpinning the required reasoning. One may understandably resort to comparisons of which is better if it is about two lovers. But if it is about two children (in this case one is yet unborn but unwanted by one of the parents as you yourself are pointing out). I would suggest that to make the necessary headway with the problem you try to think more of Dabolim and Mopa as children (or, if you prefer, as parents). Except in extreme circumstances, one does not say one child is better than another or one parent is better than the other.
[Goanet] DABOLIM AIRPORT SUFFERS SETBACK
Philip Thomas wrote: So the solution is smple. Do not make Mopa an international airport. Keep it a regional airport catering to small town airports emerging in surrounding areas and secondary airports of metros if any. It will play second fiddle to Dabolim and hopefully grow over time as the market expands due to economic growth and improved air connectivity. Comment: I am very clear in my mind on certain issues- 1.a decision of this magnitude not made on studies of financial viability is per se a bad decision. 2.It is logical that only one airport can sustain economically and that will be the new airport because all traffic will be diverted there to enable the airport to break even and make profits for its entrepreneurs. 3. recent history is a guide that wherever new airports have come up, the old ones have closed down. 4.airports set up not on principes of need but vested interests will never be a popular decision. 5.the infrastructure for setting up the new airport is going to result in further denuding the green forest areas, displacement of people, land grab, concretisation and sundry other social ills. For the GBA, GPA, etc. this is going to become a full time occupation. 6. I am not convinced why the government could not intensify its efforts to move the navy to Karwar and upgrade the Dabolim airlort which would cost much less. regards, Marshall
[Goanet] DABOLIM AIRPORT SUFFERS SETBACK
Philip Thomas wrote:So the solution is smple. Do not make Mopa an international airport. Keep it a regional airport catering to small town airports emerging in surrounding areas and secondary airports of metros if any. It will play second fiddle to Dabolim and hopefully grow over time as the market expands due to economic growth and improved air connectivity.Comment:I am very clear in my mind on certain issues Marshall Mendoza then goes on to itemise the usual chorus of cliches and objections. Nobody is denying the need for financial viability of Mopa. But before doing that some out-of-the-box thinking is called for to counter the other problems listed. Until one sees signs of that willingness there may be no point getting into a point by point debate. Cheers.
[Goanet] DABOLIM AIRPORT SUFFERS SETBACK
Dears, There is a veritable Opinion Poll on retaining Goa's Dabolim identity or e-merging at Mopa. Shout, scream or pull your hair out, the MOPA airport will be known as GOA airport by the year 2020, perhaps earlier. Its corporate name will be Goa International Airport Ltd. [GIAL] like GMRs Hyderabad GHIAL, Bangalore's BIAL or Kochi/Cochin's CIAL. As in the case of BIAL [HAL], Cochin [IN], Hyderabad [IAF], the Dabolim airport will become fully a naval base, INS Hansa, the flying ducks. Churchill Alemao has done it to Konkani in the Roman script: Electoral promises to the people, Konkani in Devanagri education to their children and Sharada Mandir education for his own children. so what is different about MOPA after elections. Valanka may sponsor your journey from Benaulim to Mopa so you can go to Valankani and pray for her electoral ticket for the next election n 2012 and promise you an airport outside your house if you vote for her. Check out if she has studied Konkani in a DSE school or GPS like your children who are her age. Ditto for all other politicians and wannabe politicians or any party, religion, caste or constituency. If they... or their children have studied in ICSE/CBSE schools, they should only contest for Parliament elections. Delhi Boards for Delhi polls. On 31 August, 2008 we will mark the 16th anniversary of the notification to include Konkani in the Eighth Schedule of the Constitution of India. On 04 February, 2008 we have already marked the 21st birthday of the Official Language Act, 1987. The first one is like Dabolim ...non-controversial. The second is like Mopa v/s Dabolim; everyone can debate BUT only a few will decide ...based on financial feasibility. It is all about money, honey. Mog asundi. Miguel Message: 3 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:07:15 +0530 From: Philip Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] DABOLIM AIRPORT SUFFERS SETBACK Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is highly unlikely that both Dabolim and Mopa will remain operational simultaneously. Goa which is a much smaller place than Bangalore or Hyderabad cannot economically sustain two airports. Mopa has vested interests as Rajan earlier commented. There are people who have purchased vast tracts of land near Mopa and stand to lose if the airport does not come through.Regards,Marshall Sure, there is no guarantee that two airports in Goa can remain operational simultaneously. And sure, Mopa was clearly agreed to by ICAO for reasons other than economics. Marshall Mendoza has offered one set of such reasons. What about the obvious one of Dabolim being a military base just as Hyderabad's Begumpet and Bangalore's HAL were until HIA and BIA started this year? Not to mention Cochin's naval air station where a civil enclave operated until CIAL came up in the 1990s. -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:57:06 +0530 From: Philip Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Mopa must avoid this fate Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The real problem is the commute from the city. But I believe that can't be held againstthe airport. Today, there is news that a six lane elevated highway isgoing to be built soon from Hebbal to the airport. [Samir Kelekar] Your comment above highlights the importance of viewing airport projects in an integrated way -- the airport proper as well as access by air and ground. In the case of BIA, once the decision was taken to close HAL when BIA opened, the latter could go full steam ahead without any concern for the ground access problem. In the case of Mopa, ground access can take its own time (as in Bangalore) if both airports can stay open. But this means Mopa has to start small and grow (unlike BIA which could go for a big bang or rather expansion on the trot which it is fumbling over). This is the kind of tricky situation Goa has to handle. And people have to think about it if politicians are not to gum things up with their vested interests and adopt a bull in a china shop approach. -- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:07:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Marlon Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Mopa must avoid this fate Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Philip, I do not accept your statement of Dabolim AND Mopa. First of all, making an economic decision to placate two parties while ignoring what may be best for the state is faulty thinking imo. In that case, hey, why stop at just two airports? The bottom line should be this: Can Dabolim be allowed to break free from the constraints laid down by the Navy? If yes, I dont see the need for an airport that is not networked with the heart of Goa. If not, Dabolim should be shut down. Marlon --- Philip Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My own theory is that Bangalore airport users did not or could not take sufficient interest in the planning and design of the airport. In the end the city is only getting what it deserves due to neglect. Can Goa avoid this fate at Mopa
[Goanet] DABOLIM AIRPORT SUFFERS SETBACK
The goal should be to restore Dabolim as a full-time civilian airport which will more than serve the aviation needs of Goa, The land scam Mopa is not needed and no one should promote land scams in Goa. The Indian navy can move to bases outside Goa.Regards,George To achieve the goal Dabolim needs to continue to function for at least 20 years in tandem with Mopa. It should not close either intentionally or by default. The latter wll depend on Mopa's design and the availability of ground access to it. The bigger and the better, respectively, the worse the chances of survival. The Navy is not going to oblige the way it is naively expected by George. A beginning will have to be made by the citizenry to call for a U.S. style Base Realignment And Closure (BRAC) exercise, at least as far as air bases are concerned, so that civil enclaves like Dabolim, Pune Lohegaon, Vishakhapatnam, Agra etc dont get shut by (other) vested interests as it happened at HAL, Begumpet, and Cochin.
[Goanet] DABOLIM AIRPORT SUFFERS SETBACK
like Mopa v/sDabolim;everyone can debate BUT only a few will decide ...based onfinancial feasibility. It is all about money, honey.Mog asundi.Miguel It may be better to debate and go in with eyes wide open than get collectively screwed in a blissful state of ignorance. Sure it is about money. What's wrong with that? It is also about making an intellectual effort when there is an opportunity and trying to ensure transparency and accountability on the part of those few whoever they may be. Dont shed crocodile tears about Goa if the latter cant be attempted or achieved, ok?
[Goanet] DABOLIM AIRPORT SUFFERS SETBACK
Dear Philip, My point is simply this: MOPA is going to happen, like it or lump it. It is there in the Interim Report of the Task Force on RPG 2021 at page 72. What we need to debate is what model of an airport we want there. There is no point in fighting like the Konkan Railway Realignment Committee [KRRAC was a correct acronym for what it did]. The better idea would have been to be a part of the solution and ensure that the stations were more conveniently located, that the train schedules were more convenient and that more trains originated from Goa. We pride ourselves as being a major tourist destination and are happy to have trains just passing through ...with timing convenient for burglers and the like , in the wee hours of the morning! The only way to stop Mopa airport is to find someone with a prospecting licence or cook up a 'Titulo de Concessao' to show a mining concession exists for the plateau. Pay Rs.3/- per square metre towards surface rights and Wsh! the airport disappears like a dream. Sujay Gupta will run an OPinionatED for you and Derek Almeida will interview you and/or write a humoutorial in the Sunday edition. You will get sound bytes on Prudent and become an Oscar-winning hero overnight. for everything there is a price tag. I am not Joaquim or joking, there is a joker who is willing to operate the TC for you and a trinity to provide you infrastructure and logistics for export. there are even takers for a minor port at Tiracol. Hurry, the Regional Plan is schedule to be out on 31 August. For a proper price you could possibly paint Mopa red. This is the third millenium of the bread of life. The time is ripe to make cakes and eat them, too. Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:03:07 +0530 From: Philip Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] DABOLIM AIRPORT SUFFERS SETBACK Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] like Mopa v/sDabolim;everyone can debate BUT only a few will decide ...based on financial feasibility. It is all about money, honey. Mog asundi.Miguel It may be better to debate and go in with eyes wide open than get collectively screwed in a blissful state of ignorance. Sure it is about money. What's wrong with that? It is also about making an intellectual effort when there is an opportunity and trying to ensure transparency and accountability on the part of those few whoever they may be. Dont shed crocodile tears about Goa if the latter cant be attempted or achieved, ok? -- -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
Re: [Goanet] DABOLIM AIRPORT SUFFERS SETBACK
--- On Mon, 8/25/08, Freddy Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's talk about the Navy, one good question, what is it, that the Navy is doing, in Goa that cannot be done from the Seabird at Karwar ? Any guesses ? Do we really need the Navy at Dabolim ? The navy is not needed in Dabolim and can manage out of Karwar freeing up Dabolim for civilian aviation use. The proposed Mopa airport is a land scam which must be opposed. Regards, George
[Goanet] DABOLIM AIRPORT SUFFERS SETBACK
With regards to Issue 1063 - Message 4. Dabolim Airport is still under consideration apparently from Manmohan Singh and the Union Civil Aviation Minister. http://www.oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=8880cid=2 If we all rally together, Dabolim Airport will emerge the winner. Marina Fernandes Kuwait
[Goanet] DABOLIM AIRPORT SUFFERS SETBACK
Marina Fernandes wrote: With regards to Issue 1063 - Message 4. Dabolim Airport is still under consideration apparently from Manmohan Singh and the Union Civil Aviation Minister. http://www.oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=8880cid=2 If we all rally together, Dabolim Airport will emerge the winner. Comment: It is highly unlikely that both Dabolim and Mopa will remain operational simultaneously. Goa which is a much smaller place than Bangalore or Hyderabad cannot economically sustain two airports. Mopa has vested interests as Rajan earlier commented. There are people who have purchased vast tracts of land near Mopa and stand to lose if the airport does not come through. Regards, Marshall
[Goanet] DABOLIM AIRPORT SUFFERS SETBACK
It is highly unlikely that both Dabolim and Mopa will remain operational simultaneously. Goa which is a much smaller place than Bangalore or Hyderabad cannot economically sustain two airports. Mopa has vested interests as Rajan earlier commented. There are people who have purchased vast tracts of land near Mopa and stand to lose if the airport does not come through.Regards,Marshall Sure, there is no guarantee that two airports in Goa can remain operational simultaneously. It can be done and it has to be managed, not either taken for granted or given up without even lifting a finger. And sure, Mopa was clearly agreed to by ICAO for reasons other than economics. Marshall Mendoza has offered one set of such reasons. What about the obvious one of Dabolim being a military base just as Hyderabad's Begumpet and Bangalore's HAL were until HIA and BIA started this year? Not to mention Cochin's naval air station where a civil enclave operated until CIAL came up in the 1990s. Politicians are soft targets compared to the defense establisment, right? Let's see how things really are before going in for knee jerk reactions.
Re: [Goanet] DABOLIM AIRPORT SUFFERS SETBACK
The goal should be to restore Dabolim as a full-time civilian airport which will more than serve the aviation needs of Goa, The land scam Mopa is not needed and no one should promote land scams in Goa. The Indian navy can move to bases outside Goa. Regards, George
[Goanet] DABOLIM AIRPORT SUFFERS SETBACK
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[Goanet] DABOLIM AIRPORT SUFFERS SETBACK
http://www.goacom.com/joel/news/2008/aug/23aug08.htm This news is reproduced from Gomantak Times by Goacom.com. Other national or international newspapers are obviously ignorant about this move as it has not been reported/published by any of them. Read this news that appeared last month. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Airport_expansion_to_boost_development/articleshow/3272192.cms And these: http://avindia.blogspot.com/2008/07/dabolim-airport-will-not-be-grounded.html http://www.hindu.com/2008/07/16/stories/2008071651860300.htm http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Review_plan_to_shut_down_Dabolim_airport/articleshow/3234566.cms Is it politics blended news reporting. Which news is correct? Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão. _ Searching for the best deals on travel? Visit MSN Travel. http://msn.coxandkings.co.in/cnk/cnk.do
[Goanet] Dabolim Airport will not be grounded, assures Kamat [Herald]
1.Chief Minister, Digambar Kamat has allayed apprehensions raised over the Dabolim airport following the nod given by the high-level committee for a new airport at Mopa and asserted that the Union government would soon tender bids for construction of a new terminal building at Dabolim on par with international standards. That's not all. Kamat said the Navy has already okayed 2.5 acres of land for expansion of Dabolim airport, adding that modalities are being worked out for the transfer of the land from the Navy to the Airport Authority of India. This has been hanging fire for a long time. It will have to be seen to be believed. 2.The stand of my government is very clear, that the Dabolim airport should be retained as an international airport even after Mopa becomes a reality, Kamat told Herald on Thursday. Kamat himself has said on national TV that Mopa would be international and Dabolim domestic. Herald said the same thing after the Interim Report of the Task Force on RP 2021. 3.He said under no circumstances will the government allow the closure of the Dabolim airport after the new airport at Mopa becomes a reality. In this connection, he pointed out that the high-level committee has inserted a host of conditions in its report recommending Mopa airport, including the condition that the Union cabinet will have to reverse its earlier decision on the closure of the Dabolim airport. The Centre was only politely asked by the high powered committee to review its Cabinet decision of March 2000. 4.Secondly, Kamat said the committee has made it amply clear that the expansion work on the Dabolim airport should be taken up and completed before the new airport comes into existence. In this context, he said Union Civil Aviation Minister Praful Patel has issued instructions to the concerned department to float a tender for the construction of a new terminal building at Dabolim. No report to this effect in the media so far. 5.On the question of signing a memorandum of understanding (MoU) as demanded by Public Works Department Minister, Churchill Alemao and many other legislators, the Dabolim Airport will not be grounded, assures Kamat chief minister said Before the government goes for a mode to build the airport, whether on BOOT or otherwise, the government will sign a MoU with the party that Dabolim will continue forever. If the airport access continues to be a problem (as in Bangalore and Hyderabad) then the developers will nsist on a provision to close Dabolim when Mopa is ready. Otherwise non one will use Mopa and it will be a white elephant (as especially Bangalore would have been without it). If closure is not assured and access is a problem then Mopa cannot be an international airport but more likely a regional one albeit with future aspirations to be international. If access is also taken care of then Dabolim would be at risk of closure as airlines would switch over to Mopa. 6.Saying the government is committed to retain the Dabolim airport, Kamat said the Dabolim airport will be expanded at a cost of Rs 400 crore. Asked to comment on apprehensions that the Dabolim airport would be used only as a domestic airport after Mopa becomes a reality, thus affecting tourism in South Goa, Kamat said There is no question of Dabolim being made a domestic airport. It will continue to operate as an international airport. When there are two airports, let the airlines exercise the option where to land their aircraft. See point #2 above regarding domestic and point # 5 about airlines' options. Now Kamat is veering around to a split hub operation. This may not be tenable in this age of acute financial stringency of airlines. They would not be able to duplicate their internationl/domestic oeprations at two places a short distance away. Something would have to give. Kamat has to accept that Goa government would have to play a tricky regulatory role right from the word Go if Mopa and Dabolim are to co-exist for the long haul. It had better gear up for it right away. P.S. For starters it should depute a high level person (or two) to the Aviation Management program at IIM Ahmedabad Sept 21-27, 2008 (Rs 70K) to begin to imbibe the competences required.
[Goanet] Dabolim airport upgrade
The bottom line is that any progress in expanding Dabolim's capacity forcivilian traffic is bound to be at snail's pace because of the Navy'sarbitrary way of decision making in civilian matters. Today's HERALD had an update about the upgrade. In a story headlined Planning commission approves new terminal building it talks about a state-of-the-art 3000 passenger terminal compared to the present one of 12K sq.m which caters to 350 arrivals and departures simultaneously on the domestic side and 250 on the international side. Security staff number 250. The crux of the matter is in the following quote: We are optimistic that once work on the terminal building begins, there are possibilities that the new parallel taxiway work could also take shape, according to the airport drector. So there is a linkage. In the circumstances it makes little sense to start one thing if something else is not tied down securely. As we discussed previously, besides the taxiway and the terminal there is also the matter of the apron space for aircraft parking bays about which no mention has been made recently. The latter, in turn, is tied to the runway crossings used by navy personnel. And this is related to the function of the airbase viz military flight training for which the morning hours are blocked to civilian traffic from 8:30 to 1:00 on five days of the week. The flight training is for Sea Harriers which are down from 25-30 in the 1980s to only 10 or 11 today. They are to be retired in a couple of years along with the aircraft carrier Viraat whose 50 year life is sought to be extended to at least 2012 because its replacement, a Russian carrier, may not be delivered till 2012 at the earliest. If the flight training hours could be reduced to 10:00 to 1:00, then civilian flights can increase by up to 50%. Then if the runway crossings can be reduced to 1 (if not eliminated), the apron space near the terminal can be enlarged. If the land for the new terminal can be handed over completely then work on the new terminal can start. Meanwhile the agreements for the new taxiway should be firmed up and work started. If everything clicks, then Dabolim should be able to cope with at least 4 times more traffic than at present. But there are a lot of big IFs. The trick is to get all the ducks lined up and not do things sequentially. For this to happen people have to stick to commitments and avoid re-opening things which have been settled at a previous point in time (as in the case of the taxiway).
Re: [Goanet] DABOLIM AIRPORT WITHOUT POWER ...
My dear Philip, Thanks for your continued excellent ombudsman service in highly relevant areas of transparence or, lack thereof, in Goa. I have a request: Could you -- or some other informed fellow netter -- provide me a lead/source to the, reportedly, rampant human-organs' trade underway in India. Any aspect related to the same: extent of availibility, if contacts are made easilly or with difficulty, costs, etc. Alfred de Tavares, [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maltesholmsvägen 83, SE-165 55 HÄSSELBY, Sweden. Tel: 0046 8759 6214; cell: 0046 70 295 4091 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:50:21 +0530 Subject: [Goanet] DABOLIM AIRPORT WITHOUT POWER ... In response to the HERALD report of April 16th, the Power Minister has now fired a couple of salvos of his own in HERALD April 18th. The new report is headlined Aleixo upset over non-usage of tap changer provided to transformer. Instead of this electrical mumbo-jumbo the headline should have read Crossed (power) lines or something just as pithy. This would have highlighted the unseemly squabble which is not at all in the state's interests. To explain we need to back track a bit. _ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vistamkt=en-USform=QBRE
[Goanet] Dabolim airport upgrade
In recent days HERALD has been carrying short news reports regarding the plan for a parallel taxiway at Dabolim airport. As indicated this would run parallel to the runway and facilitate the entry of aircraft to the terminal and their subsequent exit from it. Previously, aircraft had to traverse practically the full length of the runway to either begin their take-off run or to reach the terminal. This held up other aircraft from landing or taking off and restricted the throughput at Dabolim. Later, the Navy agreed to the use of the apron in front of one of its hangars as a holding area for aircraft en route to or from the terminal so as to free the runway for the use of other aircraft. It is claimed that air traffic at Dabolim (presently confined mainly to afternoon hours due to naval restrictions for military flight training purposes in the mornings) could treble if the taxiway was built. The planned taxiway would cut across the aprons used for naval maritime patrol aircraft and choppers (but not fighters). It is hard to understand how the Navy has agreed in principle to this taxiway as long ago as 2006. Perhaps it was due to the boom in civil aviation at the time and resulting pressure on Dabolim. The current glitches regarding implementation (coinciding curiously with a slowdown in traffic growth) are ostensibly on the grounds of sorting out responsibility for construction (which would take 10 months) and financing (to the tune of about Rs 80-100 crores). There is reportedly a tussle between the civil aviation ministry and the naval authorities regarding this. We consider that the taxiway cannot be viewed in isolation. There is a major bottleneck at present regarding aircraft parking bays which number only 6 currently. It is not known what the minimum number has to be if the planned parallel taxiway becomes operational. To expand this apron space requires the navy to telescope its two runway crossings into one which is away from the terminal and then part with airside land. Then there is the terminal itself which is being sought to be expanded but which is held up because the Navy has yet to part with a measly two acres of air side land out of the 9 acres promised long ago. The bottom line is that any progress in expanding Dabolim's capacity for civilian traffic is bound to be at snail's pace because of the Navy's arbitrary way of decision making in civilian matters. The implication of this for Mopa is that it can also grow only at snail's pace for about 20 years since inception so as to avoid upstaging Dabolim and creating demands for the closure of the latter's civil enclave. The issue then becomes one of determining the right size of Mopa at start up. The present ICAO plan for Mopa has to be scrapped and a new one has to be generated.
[Goanet] DABOLIM AIRPORT WITHOUT POWER ...
In response to the HERALD report of April 16th, the Power Minister has now fired a couple of salvos of his own in HERALD April 18th. The new report is headlined Aleixo upset over non-usage of tap changer provided to transformer. Instead of this electrical mumbo-jumbo the headline should have read Crossed (power) lines or something just as pithy. This would have highlighted the unseemly squabble which is not at all in the state's interests. To explain we need to back track a bit. In the first report (April 16th) a HERALD correspondent contacted an official in the Electricity Dept in Vasco who complained they get little support from their superiors or counterparts in [THE ELECTRICITY DEPARTMENT] in tackling the power situation at the airport. He [the official] added: The main problem lies with the Ponda main station which constantly supplies us with low voltage. Now the Power Minister sings a different tune from this. He is asking why the airport didnt use the facility of tap changer provided to the transformer there? Apparently this is specially meant for stepping up low voltage. Then how come his own departmental staff in Vasco didnt realise this and advise the airport authorities accordingly? Is there a communication gap between Vasco staff and other staff? Alternatively, is the airport authority ignorant of the functioning of its electrical infrastructure? The minister however admits in the report that the Dept has had a problem with its line whichever one that is. He then proceeds to rattle off equipment capacities which differ in magnitude from those provided in the Airport Director's presentation (ADP) cited in the previous post on this (originally expanded) thread. For example he talks of the airport's 500KVA generator and an 80 ton AC system which are at variance from the 33KVA substation and 720 ton AC plant respectively. Meanwhile, the Chief Electrical Engineer, who also chimes in on the issue, does echo the 33KVA figure but his reference to the 'configuration' employed is either at variance from ADP or is ambiguous. The Power Minister suspects some sort of conspiracy on the part of the Airport authority calling it part of a continuous campaign against his Dept. He dismisses its warning of a shut down/flight diversion as a pretext to incite and excite Goans. He also advises it to set its own house in order. But oddly enough he offers to renovate all the conductors providing power to that particular area viz VASCO. In a boxed article in the April 18th report titled Vasco power woes will be sorted out soon: Aleixo, the worthy sings a different tune yet again, this time all sweetness and light. He goes to the extent of saying I definitely apologise for the situation. In this report, he alludes to the work of a Bangalore based outfit which has been tasked at the behest of the central Power Grid Corp with rectifying faults on a 110KVA line which could be the cause of line tripping. He is however not in a position to specify the deficiencies just yet. For the present, the bottom line is that the Electricity Dept from the Minister on down seems to be labouring under the illusion that it is doing Goa a big favour as the in-charge of its electricity supply. It needs to adopt the mind-set of an enthusiastic service provider which takes pride in its expertise and responsiveness and gets things done. Meanwhile the Airport authority does need to show some resistance to shoddy responses of its service providers including electricity, garbage dumping etc by resorting to the line stop action, in consultation with the civil aviation ministry, in extreme conditions, to begin with, and gradually lowering the threshold as the response mechanism gets into gear. It is vital to meet the universal operational standards that are laid down for airport functions and not get by in chaltha hai mode. As for the politics of the situation, others may be better placed to get a fix on it. But we have one thought: What about the dog that didn't bark? In other words, why is the navy silent? Maybe it depends on AAI to carry the can at the civilian interface. And maybe it feels that toughing it out in a fairly civilized place like Dabolim/Vasco is far better than really doing so in some isolated location for purely military reasons. And last but not least, it may be counting on Goans to get fed up with the stranglehold at Dabolim and stampede to Mopa leaving the former all to itself (the navy)! So whose side is the Power Minister on? Hmmm.
[Goanet] DABOLIM AIRPORT WITHOUT POWER FOR LAST 3 DAYS:GT
power supply to the airport is playing truant forthe past three days[GT report] Some more scraps of information have become available from a report headlined Officials warn of flight diversions in today's HERALD (H). Supplementing this with some data from the Airport Director's presentation (ADP) and a report of GCCI on Goa's infrastructure (GCCI), (as indicated by the respective abbreviations), the following picture emerges: The power is dispatched from the Extra High Voltage (EHV) station at Ponda and is distributed by a 33KVA/1 MW substation at the airport (ADP; H). The airport has a 720 T aircon plant. It has DVOR/DME navaids (ADP). There is a back up generator which runs for 3 or 4 hours befoere refueling (H). The A/C plant is probably shut down during the operation of the back up genset. The situation was exacerbated by the high ambient temps of late. The 33KV supply is subject to up to 20% low voltage especially during peak hours besides the problem of outright outages(GCCI; H). Airport officials now complain that international airports such as Dabolim are supposed to have a dedicated feeder line which ensures quality and reliability (H). An array of crucial devices and services depends on electricity. Runway lights, navigation systems, ATC operations, airline counter operations, etc , with aircon being the last but by no means least of them (H). According to the HERALD report, electricity problems have been prevalent for 8 days at the airport. This compares with 3 days mentioned by GT. Besides, the generally rickety electricity system of Goa must be taking its toll in a highly bureaucratic airport/airbase set-up. Surprisingly, neither ADP nor GCCI highlight the unsatisfactory nature of the airport's electricity supply and operation. It took a convergence of events affecting international pasengers to throw the spotlight on this unacceptable situation. It remains to be seen if AAI has the courage to actually declare a shut down until things are sorted out permanently on a war footing. This is a prime example of the chaltha hai mentality we find everywhere in the country.
[Goanet] DABOLIM AIRPORT WITHOUT POWER FOR LAST 3 DAYS:GT
PANJIM: For the past three days, Dabolim airport is witnessing unusual scenes. Confirmed reports narrate how foreigners - many of who tend to portray India in bad light at the slightest excuse - have been throwing tantrums and embarrassing the airport authorities. Unable to bear the heat, foreigners are seen removing their jerseys in full view of other passengers and roaming the precincts of Dabolim airport - bare-chested. What has left the airport authorities fuming is their utter helplessness in tackling this situation. Simply because power supply to the airport is playing truant for the past three days. And despite complaints to the highest echelons in the Electricity Department, the airport authorities claim to have only received a bagful of assurance. [Nilesh Khandeparkar, GT]
[Goanet] Dabolim airport
* * * 2007 ANNUAL GOANETTERS MEET - GOA * * * WHERE: Foodland Cafe - Miramar Residency - Miramar, Goa WHEN: December 27, 2007 @ 4:30pm More info: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2007-December/066098.html Why should a passenger who wants to catch an international flight have to go to the domestic departure building? Its really strange. Recently I also ended up contributing to global warming at Dabolim by taking a wrong turn inside the airport area. Because I didnt turn off towards the arrival gate I went on to domestic departure, then past international departure, out of the airport exit, on to the road and back into the entry gate to finally reach the arrival area. On another occasion I was struck by the reservation of prime airport parking space for staff cars. No wonder other cars and taxis were strewn all over the country side near the airport entrance. Giving airport staff pride of place doesnt reflect genuine customer orientation. Anyway as some have said, Dabolim airport needs 100 acres of space not the 35 acres it is making do with. --- Spread the Christmas Cheer, even when you're not here! Send classic greetings to your loved ones in Goa. EXPRESSIONS - 2007 Christmas Hamper Visit http://www.goa-world.com/expressions/xmas/ Or e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
[Goanet] Dabolim airport
* * * 2007 ANNUAL GOANETTERS MEET - GOA * * * WHERE: Foodland Cafe - Miramar Residency - Miramar, Goa WHEN: December 27, 2007 @ 4:30pm More info: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2007-December/066098.html Goanetters, Last week, this December 2007, my wife came with our driver to Dabolim airport to travel to Doha Via Srilanka airlines. She got down and took her luggage to go inside the airport, all of a sudden the securities stop her and did not allow to enter but to go through domestic airport entrsance side to enter. Thank God our driver did not left the place and she had to enter the car and go back to again with a round to domestic side to enter. This is the hardship we face when we leave Goa, because the AAI changing their rules as they like and makes Goans as aliens.There should be instructions given tothe passengers at the Gate. It is correct to say when we arrive it is very very happy and when we leave Dabolim it is not happy. Please AAI arrange to change this system. Regards, Mario Vicente Santos Pereira, http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2007-December/066098.html --- Philip Thomas wrote: How many goanetters would rate Dabolim airport as a happy place? Don't be shy, now. When I land in Goa, Dabolim is a happy place. When I leave Goa, Dabolim is not a happy place. * -- Confidentiality Notice : This e-mail and any attachments are confidential to the addressee and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail, you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it in any way whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail by mistake, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message, and delete the original and any print out thereof. --- Spread the Christmas Cheer, even when you're not here! Send classic greetings to your loved ones in Goa. EXPRESSIONS - 2007 Christmas Hamper Visit http://www.goa-world.com/expressions/xmas/ Or e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
[Goanet] Dabolim Airport
Goa, the way she was... I think back to the mid-fifties and a lot more adventure. My father had taken what was called his 'long leave'. We embarked on the MV Asia in Mombassa, Kenya's natural and beautiful deep-berth harbour. We disembarked after five days and nights at sea, at the first port of call, which was Karachi, and spent time with some relatives there, before dividing our holiday in two parts... I flew by a plane for the first time... a very large plane I thought at that time... a trundling Dakota, run by the Portuguese colonial authorities between Karachi and their military airport at Dabolim. Those days the runaway couldn't have been that much broader than any of the narrow roads that weave through a Goan village... There was no electricity in those days, so I remember being a little frightened by the big, dark house, and the huge shadows thrown by the oil-lamps and the talk about me having to be careful about snakes Calangute in those days was a fishing village with no more than twenty houses at some distance from each other. I don't recall seeing walls anywhere I remember all the adults and their friends sitting around and singing Konkani songs and getting sentimental because soon the holiday would be over and they'd have to go back to their jobs in Kenya. [Hartman de Souza, GT] The above has been transcribed from Joel D'Souza's Daily Goa Newsclips of October 26. I don't know who the author of that article (Hartman de Souza) is. But I must point out that he is wrong in referring to the military airport that the Portuguese authorities maintained at Dabolim. Since its inception and until its takeover by the Indian Navy, the Dabolim Airport was always a civilian one, and there never was a single Portuguese military aircraft at that airport. Jorge
[Goanet] ‘Dabolim Airport requires bigger passe nger terminus’
Dabolim Airport requires bigger passenger terminus HERALD NEWS DESK PANJIM, OCT 28 Shantaram Naik, MP has demanded that Dabolim airport should have a bigger Integrated Passenger Terminus than the one planned. In a statement issued today, Naik says that daily traffic at the airport being around 4000, Dabolim should have a passenger terminus for catering at least 3000 passengers, if on account of constraint of land availability, a bigger terminus cannot be constructed. Naik said that he has been consistently arguing in the MOPA Committee that the Indian Navy have to produce the title documents of the land occupied by them at Dabolim including the land transferred by them to the Airport Authority. Naik said that it is not that he does not realise the Defence needs but that it is not fair that Navy should make the Goa Government and the Airport Authority to go with a begging bawl to the Navy asking for land when the land actually belongs to the Government of Goa, and that, the Navy has not produced any Deed of Transfer of the said land in their favour nor there is, to my knowledge, any such deed in the records of the Government of Goa. Naik said the officials of the Goa Government who were present during the first meeting of MOPA committee has assured him to investigate into the title of the land and submit the information before the committee. Naik said that it is only because in the last meeting when ICAO experts, who had earlier given a feasibility report regarding MOPA airport attended the meeting that he (Naik) had asked him a question whether he had taken into consideration existence of Dabolim Airport while giving the feasibility reports regarding the proposed MOPA airport, the expert said that he had not taken that aspect into consideration and that if the Committee wants to know about the feasibility of MOPA in the light of existing airport, a fresh study will have to be made. Naik further said since the term of MOPA committee has been extended up to October 31, 2007, a meeting of MOPA Committee is expected to be held soon. http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=3525cid=26 Sanny de Quepem [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Dabolim airport to get Rs 500 crore facelift
http://www.GOANET.org TRI Continental Film Festival - Dona Paula, Goa, Sep 28 - Oct 2, 2007 http://www.moviesgoa.org/tricontinental/tricon.htm Online Media Partner: http://www.goanet.org Dabolim airport to get Rs 500 crore facelift BS Reporter / Mumbai/ Panaji September 10, 2007 The Dabolim International Airport in Goa is all set to get a facelift. The Union government is said to have promised an investment of Rs 500 crore towards this. Apart from that, the airport will facilitate direct landing for scheduled international flights. The Navy, which has been running the Goa airport, has agreed to allow direct landing of all scheduled flights at Goa instead of having to adopt the Mumbai route. In addition to this, Air India is considering starting a direct flight to Dubai from Goa, said Goa tourism minister Mickky Pacheco. According to him, several foreign private airlines, including Virgin Airlines from Europe, Lufthansa from Frankfurt and Midland from Manchester in Britain and Air Arabia from Sharjah are ready to fly directly to Goa, avoiding the present circuitous routes. Pacheco further stated that the government was examining the economic viability of such direct operations as well as the possibility of launching direct flights from Goa to these foreign destinations. For the airport's revamp, the Airport Authority of India (AAI) has planned to build a terminal with four aero-bridges to facilitate the landing of wide-bodied aircraft at the Dabolim International Airport in Goa. The move is aimed at easing the growing air traffic congestion, particularly due to the growing number of charter flights, at the airport. According to official sources, the Union government has agreed to make an investment to the tune of Rs 500 crore to revamp the airport. Apart from that, the AAI will offer 18 acres, as well as acquire nine acres from the naval authorities to facilitate the airport's expansion. We plan to extend the airport apron to aid the landing of bigger aircraft, besides pressing into service the instrument landing facility for night operations, Said Pacheco. The plan is to use the additional land to enhance parking facilities, from the present capacity of four to five aircraft to at least 10 aircraft, including four A-320s and six ATR turboprops. There are also plans to construct parallel taxiways as well as develop passenger terminals and cargo terminals to ease the traffic congestion. The expansion plans are in keeping with the projected growth of the airport. At present, we have around 800 international and over 7,000 domestic flights annually and the figures are poised to increase tremendously in the years to come, claimed Pacheco. According to official sources, the Indian Oil Corporation (IOC), which presently uses a road running across the airport runway, will be asked to operate its traffic through an alternative route to facilitate the expansion of the airport. With the revamp of the Dabolim International Airport on the anvil, there are growing concerns that the state government may discontinue the international airport project at Mopa along the Goa-Maharashtra border. It is up to the six-member Central committee headed by chief minister Digambar Kamat to decide whether to go ahead with the Mopa International Airport project or not, maintained the minister. http://www.business-standard.com/economy/storypage.php?leftnm=lmnu2subL eft=1autono=297412tab=r ~(^^)~ Avelino
[Goanet] 'Dabolim Airport must remain open 24 hrs for civilian flights'
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * To Goa with Love - Three unique Valentine Day packages from EXPRESSIONS Say I Love You! in style this year For details, photos and pricing check out: http://www.goa-world.com/expressions/valentines/ By now everybody has forgotten about those silly 9 acres which were to be handed over months ago at Dabolim. And about which Papa Doc recently took up the issue with the Hon Admiral, Defence Minister, Civil Aviation Minister himself (or so we were told by the media). Besides, what's new about being open for 24 hours. Ths is what the Navy also keeps saying, right? Except for a few hours during prime time! Oh well ..
[Goanet] 'Dabolim Airport must remain open 24 hrs for civilian flights'
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * To Goa with Love - Three unique Valentine Day packages from EXPRESSIONS Say I Love You! in style this year For details, photos and pricing check out: http://www.goa-world.com/expressions/valentines/ http://oheraldo.in/node/22302 'Dabolim Airport must remain open 24 hrs for civilian flights' HERALD REPORTER VASCO, FEB 3 - Union Civil Aviation Minister Praful Patel has said the Dabolim Airport must remain open round the clock for civilian flights, given the huge inflow of tourists from all over the world. It is our duty to improve infrastructure at Dabolim Airport and to make Dabolim Airport well connected with other destinations, since tourism is the biggest industry of Goa, Patel said, while addressing NCP workers in the port town. To make Goa more economically prosperous, connectivity between Goa and various countries should improve and the civil aviation ministry is working in this regard. A small country like Dubai generates around 4 crore tourists each year and our figure for Goa still remains in lakhs, which is a matter for concern to us, he added. The union minister informed that about Rs 2 lakh crore would be invested in the Civil Aviation sector in the next ten years, which would provide job opportunities to about 50 lakh unemployed youth all over the country. He assured that Dabolim Airport would also benefit with this huge investment in the aviation sector, adding that unemployment would be solved to a large extent in the State. Patel admitted that whenever Deputy Chief Minister Dr Wilfred de Souza visited New Delhi, he would always enquire about the development of Dabolim Airport. In fact, local NCP leaders often remind union ministers belonging to the NCP about the day-to-day developments in Goa, said Patel. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England
Re: [Goanet] 'Dabolim Airport must remain open 24 hrs for civilian flights'
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * To Goa with Love - Three unique Valentine Day packages from EXPRESSIONS Say I Love You! in style this year For details, photos and pricing check out: http://www.goa-world.com/expressions/valentines/ Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Dabolim Airport must remain open 24 hrs for civilian flights' HERALD REPORTER VASCO, FEB 3 - Union Civil Aviation Minister Praful Patel has said the Dabolim Airport must remain open round the clock for civilian flights, given the huge inflow of tourists from all over the world. Folks, Cuba de-militarized eight air force fields and made them international airports for tourists. This was done ten years ago. New Delhi, to its credit, is waking up to the huge potential of the Indian tourist market. Local politicians are another matter and are actually, IMHO, a hindrance to development of Goan tourism. Mervyn3.0 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Dabolim airport upgrading will be over by end of 2007
By - Special Correspondent of the Online edition of India's National Newspaper The HINDU TIMES Saturday, Sep 16, 2006 It will have extended apron and additional international terminal Meeting calls for fresh techno-feasibility report Question raised on land in Navy's possession PANAJI: The Airports Authority of India will complete the upgrading and expansion of facilities at the Dabolim international airport by the end of 2007. An AAI representative gave this information on Thursday at a meeting of a committee, set up by the Civil Aviation Ministry to study the proposed Mopa airport in Goa. This [expansion] would comprise extending the apron and building an additional international terminal, Shantaram Naik, committee member, told The Hindu on Friday. The meeting asked the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) to conduct a fresh techno-feasibility report on the Mopa international airport proposal, taking into consideration the continuation of the Dabolim airport facility for civilian traffic. Rane presides Mr. Shantaram Naik and Sripad Naik, both members of Parliament; Chief Secretary J.P. Singh; ICAO Deputy Director Hakim Bashar; ICAO officer Ruben; AAI Joint Director A.K. Mishra; and Transport Director R. Mihir Vardhan attended the meeting held under the chairmanship of Chief Minister Pratapsingh Rane. Mr. Shantaram Naik said the ICAO's earlier techno-feasibility report did not take into consideration the existing Dabolim airport as the terms of reference did not provide for that. At the committee's first meeting, he insisted on knowing about the title of the area in the Navy's possession at Dabolim. At present, the Dabolim airport is under naval jurisdiction. According to him, the land belonged to the Goa Government and no title was given to the Navy. Referring to the Defence Ministry's reply to him in Parliament recently, he said the Ministry had held title to 1,687.51 acres at Dabolim since April 9, 1962. The land was handed over to the Ministry by an order of the then Military Governor. The AAI was using 25.696 acres. Out of this, 14.995 acres was transferred by the Defence Ministry to the Director-General of Civil Aviation on June 22, 1966. Claim not fair Mr. Naik said the land was simply handed over as it was required at that time for the military operation for liberation of Goa. The land should have been reverted to the possession of civilian authorities. Claiming title to such land is not fair. Asked why he was raising the issue of Dabolim land title, he said: If this land, which rightly belongs to the Goa Government is available, a Mopa-like airport can be constructed at Dabolim itself, which will be convenient to the people of Goa. It will convenient for the tourists too. On the contrary, if the Navy (Defence Ministry) has title to the land, it will be easier to convince the people of south Goa, who are agitating against Mopa, that since the land belongs to the Navy there is no alternative to going for the Mopa airport. My requests to all fellow Goans every corner of the world to make a quick debate on the above message, regarding the illegal possession/ownership of the Land without buying at Dabolim International Airport at Goa by the Indian Navy. Mog Assum dhi Santana Piedade Afonso - Kuwait. _ Spice up your IM conversations. New, colorful and animated emoticons. Get chatting! http://server1.msn.co.in/SP05/emoticons/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
