RE: [hackers] Ok, the network naming poll is up
The network name is an attempt at branding. The brand must as inclusive as possible for the network to be the most effective. Branding the network as the fordean.net network is not inclusive if we are shipping off fordean.net subdomains, and many sites don't use them. Branding it as the DeanSpace network is inclusive because we can give out fordean.net subdomains branded as DeanSpace, and brand non fordean.net sites as Deanspace. -Zack -Original Message- From: jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 2:58 AM To: Zack Rosen Subject: Re: [hackers] Ok, the network naming poll is up > I don't really like fordean.org / net because many sites wont be > running on those sub domains. So there aren't going to be many sites running under the deanspace.org/net either? I'm not getting what we're offering people. DNS is also really the only way we will be able to "emergency service" the "official" sites. You can point springfield.fordean.org to somewhere else, but you wouldn't be able to do that with dean.stlouist.com. Not just policing, but the smooth addition of hundreds of subdomains. Someone has to do it, it's for a campaign, and is integral to our experiment! :) Opportunity Cost, Hobbes, whatever. I think that the namespace is very important and needs to be everywhere. Why is deanspace any better in that regard? JW -- jeff wiegand - electroponics, inc. There's a great deal of talk about loyalty from the bottom to the top. Loyalty from the top down is even more necessary and is much less prevalent. One of the most frequently noted characteristics of great men who have remained great is loyalty to their subordinates. - George Patton
Re: [hackers] Ok, the network naming poll is up
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 03:22:31AM -0400, Zack Rosen wrote: > The network name is an attempt at branding. The brand must as inclusive > as possible for the network to be the most effective. > > Branding the network as the fordean.net network is not inclusive if we > are shipping off fordean.net subdomains, and many sites don't use them. > > Branding it as the DeanSpace network is inclusive because we can give > out fordean.net subdomains branded as DeanSpace, and brand non > fordean.net sites as Deanspace. This is precisely the point I was trying to get to right there at the end. I'm not sure DeanSpace is my favorite, but the domain which the nodes go into by default (if they want to) a) doesn't *have to be* and perhaps b) *should not be* named after the Brand. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member of the Technical Staff Baylink RFC 2100 The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Floridahttp://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 OS X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging Windows -- Simon Slavin, on a.f.c
[hackers] More on why i like "DeanSpace" the best...
Unlike the other names, it implies something new. There has never been a "DeanSpace" before, not even close. These tools are a pretty big step from previous attempts at web network social communitities, I like a name that conveys this. -Zack
[hackers] Drupal Up
Hi all--I'm a newcomer to hack4dean, so I'll ask for the usual newbie tolerance if I breach protocol! On the iRC meeting last night I believe someone said to let everyone know when new Drupal installs were up and running. I'm also a newcomer to Drupal, but I have an instance up and running that we can use for testing or whatever else: http://www.mattwoodward.com/drupal/index.php I have done literally nothing other than install it and create my admin account, so if there are other things I need to do to it, please point me in the right direction. Thanks--I'm looking forward to working with all of you on this Matt -- Matthew Woodward [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mattwoodward.com AIM: CaptainJavac
Re: [hackers] FW: frontroom form
Comments on form design (like the one's I get from my boss, stake holders and test users ): Rule #1 for user interface desiqn: "the user is from outter space and clueless; make it ral easy for em"; Given rule one, the "Click here to continue" in combination with the submit option, and lacking additional descriptive instuctions, is ambiguous; continue to what? Let em know why they'd want/need to continue or not. Call the button "Next" or "Continue" and put a sentence immediatley above the button area: "Click Next to add your Availability & Interests information or click Submit to send your information now" or the like... Same for each subsequent form page in the "wizard".. IMHO CMR <--enter gratuitous quotation that implies my profundity here-->
Re: [hackers] More on why i like "DeanSpace" the best...
I'm not opposed to DeanSpace - I just worry about the space cadet reference. Re: DeanTeam - Would that imply a a tie in with the existing DeanTeam fundraising thing? I like DeanZone and DigitalDean (on the wikki). Why didn't they didn't make the poll?? -dale zachary rosen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Unlike the other names, it implies something new. There has never been a"DeanSpace" before, not even close. These tools are a pretty big stepfrom previous attempts at web network social communitities, I like a namethat conveys this.-Zack Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software
Re: [hackers] More on why i like "DeanSpace" the best...
>I'm not opposed to DeanSpace - I just worry about the space cadet reference. Re: DeanTeam - Would that imply a a tie in with the existing DeanTeam fundraising thing? I like DeanZone and DigitalDean (on the wikki). Why didn't they didn't make the poll?? >-dale In '92 Daddy bush tried labeling VP candidate Gore as "Captain Ozone" and got "Zapped" CMR <--enter gratuitous quotation that implies my profundity here-->
[hackers] Re: [developers] If you were webmaster at deanforamerica.com ...
Note to Geeks: Some observations on layout and design, as always IMHO: In designing the "look and feel" (per "touchy/feely" marketing-type people) of the public interfaces, remember that the demographics your hoping to serve trancends young "wired" (in more ways than one?), net and open source savvy types. In fact, that cohort will most likely be the minority of users. If you haven't already, check out Aldon's poll: http://ahynes1.homeip.net:8180/drupal/index.php?q=node/view/20 I know, not a radom sample, but it serves my point here. To a liberal boomer yuppie that haunts redbook.com and pays for AOL (!?!), the typical minimalist and rather stark look of open source package sites like drupal appear cheap, boring and probably a bit alienating. Justified or no, that bias is recognized by "madison avenue" and it's why they spend billions on carefully concocted layouts that beckon to and ensnare their desired market; and it works. So, it's conceivable that if you've lost the hacker handle to lure grandma, you may yet lose her with a somewhat "anarchist welcome mat" of a layout. These are not my personl preferences/bias, but I've been building web UIs for public and private outfits for 10 yrs now and these matters are taken VERY seriously I assure you. So as the final calls are made for the public site(s), try to get in grandma's skin(yuk!) for a few and chew it over (my comments, not the skin) a bit before the final layout specs go in the can. Cheers CMR <--enter gratuitous quotation that implies my profundity here-->
Re: [hackers] Re: [developers] If you were webmaster at deanforamerica.com ...
I'll second CMR on this. The site has a definite slashdot feel to it without the pretty icons to temper it. Given that Dean's predominant theme colors seem to be in the blue range (which is fine, it is a color that tends to resonate well with most people) I'd at a minimum build in a navy blue background and a light blue in the text area, with maybe hints of orange or yellow in rules to provide some visual contrast. -- Kurt - Original Message - From: "CMR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 8:37 AM Subject: [hackers] Re: [developers] If you were webmaster at deanforamerica.com ... > Note to Geeks: > > Some observations on layout and design, as always IMHO: > > In designing the "look and feel" (per "touchy/feely" marketing-type people) > of the public interfaces, remember that the demographics your hoping to > serve trancends young "wired" (in more ways than one?), net and open source > savvy types. In fact, that cohort will most likely be the minority of users. > If you haven't already, check out Aldon's poll: > > http://ahynes1.homeip.net:8180/drupal/index.php?q=node/view/20 > > I know, not a radom sample, but it serves my point here. To a liberal boomer > yuppie that haunts redbook.com and pays for AOL (!?!), the typical > minimalist and rather stark look of open source package sites like drupal > appear cheap, boring and probably a bit alienating. Justified or no, that > bias is recognized by "madison avenue" and it's why they spend billions on > carefully concocted layouts that beckon to and ensnare their desired market; > and it works. > > So, it's conceivable that if you've lost the hacker handle to lure grandma, > you may yet lose her with a somewhat "anarchist welcome mat" of a layout. > > These are not my personl preferences/bias, but I've been building web UIs > for public and private outfits for 10 yrs now and these matters are taken > VERY seriously I assure you. > > So as the final calls are made for the public site(s), try to get in > grandma's skin(yuk!) for a few and chew it over (my comments, not the skin) > a bit before the final layout specs go in the can. > > Cheers > CMR > > <--enter gratuitous quotation that implies my profundity here--> > > >
Re: [hackers] More on why i like "DeanSpace" the best...
Hehe .. the space cadet comment was 100% joke - as in "I jokes". If you got a fav that isnt on the list (and you havent nominated a favorite yet - ie. one favorite per customer) shoot me a mail and I will add it to the poll. Also, for those who weren't here for previous "DeanSpace" discussions. The term is in reference other similiar naming conventions: Meatspace, cyberspace, blospaceetc -Zack On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, scorpiosunmoon wrote: > I'm not opposed to DeanSpace - I just worry about the space cadet reference. > > Re: DeanTeam - Would that imply a a tie in with the existing DeanTeam fundraising > thing? > > I like DeanZone and DigitalDean (on the wikki). Why didn't they didn't make the > poll?? > > -dale > > > zachary rosen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unlike the other names, it implies something new. There has never been a > "DeanSpace" before, not even close. These tools are a pretty big step > from previous attempts at web network social communitities, I like a name > that conveys this. > > -Zack > > > > - > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software
[hackers] deanspace.org vs .net
I see that Ping registered deanspace.org, but shouldn't we register deanspace.net as well, if for no other reason than to point it to .org (or vice versa)? Of course this is pending the voting results, but exit polls show deanspace is commanding a strong lead. Joe
Re: [hackers] deanspace.org vs .net
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Goldberg, Joseph wrote: > I see that Ping registered deanspace.org, but shouldn't we register > deanspace.net as well, if for no other reason than to point it to .org > (or vice versa)? I have both (for exactly that purpose). -- ?!ng
[hackers] How about deancountry.com?
The name is available and I posted on the forum poll as to why I think it would be a good choice. People tend to associate web sites with .com most of all (especially the average web user) and it might be better to go for something with a .com domain. Just my two cents.
Re: [hackers] How about deancountry.com?
Subject: [hackers] How about deancountry.com? > The name is available and I posted on the forum poll as to why I think > it would be a good choice. People tend to associate web sites with > .com most of all (especially the average web user) and it might be > better to go for something with a .com domain. Just my two cents. > > Sounds like a handle that would appeal more to dubya's crowd to me; as in "y'all hippie tree-huggers from vermont ain't country!" IMHO CMR <--enter gratuitous quotation that implies my profundity here-->
[hackers] Dean Vs. Kucinich
I know this has been circulated before here: http://www.bobharris.com/kucinichdean.html In general I'm inclined, even looking at this, to see Dean as someone who's saying "These are complex issues that need to be dealt with as more than just sound bites" while Kucinich is saying "Here's my wish list of the way I would reorder the world if I was king," but that's been my sense of the two candidates for a while. Still, I think that it might be an interesting exercise to put together a take of where Dean stands against not just Kucinich but all of the candidates. I can't do it for several reasons, some time related, some political, but if anyone else is interested in writing up something like this I suspect it would be an invaluable reference for people. -- Kurt Cagle
Re: [hackers] More on why i like "DeanSpace" the best...
I would disagree. I think most grandmas have heard the term "cyberspace". And I think if we do a good job following through on the branding (good visuals etc) then it won't cause any problems. It will be pretty simple. There will be the Dean For America campaign headquarters. Then there will be lots of unnoficial Dean community sites. The fact that they are tied together in "DeanSpace" is something that mostly only techies will be confronted with. -Zack On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Lynn Siprelle wrote: > > The term is in reference other similiar naming conventions: Meatspace, > > cyberspace, blospaceetc > > Which is why I'm not so thrilled with it. WE are familiar with those > naming conventions. I assure you, my mom (67), my sister (36), my > brother-in-law (20), and most of my other relatives of various age > groups, many of whom are online, would give you a completely blank > look. We have to get out of the geek headspace (aha!) on the > interface/branding issues if we're going to make this true outreach. We > have to come to them, because while folks are willing to come a little > ways to us they're not willing to go all that far at all when it comes > down to it. > > Lynn S. > who prefers DigitalDean > > - > Lynn Siprelle * Writer, Mother, Programmer, Fiber Artisan > The New Homemaker: http://www.newhomemaker.com/ > Siprelle & Associates: http://www.siprelle.com/ >
Re: [hackers] deanspace.org vs .net
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 09:58:03AM -0700, Ka-Ping Yee wrote: > On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Goldberg, Joseph wrote: > > I see that Ping registered deanspace.org, but shouldn't we register > > deanspace.net as well, if for no other reason than to point it to .org > > (or vice versa)? > > I have both (for exactly that purpose). I apologize, but this is one of my buttons. *Please* do not alias the second-level domain name space. It creates *horrible* incorrect expectations in the minds of untrained users. If you feel the need to register them both, use them in the fashion originally intended: reserve .net for infrastructural machine names and other things invisible to the public. At worst, alias *everything* in one of them to the *root* of the other. In practice, you're not really protecting yourself from anything unless you register deanspace.*, and (luckily), that's not practical. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member of the Technical Staff Baylink RFC 2100 The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Floridahttp://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 OS X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging Windows -- Simon Slavin, on a.f.c
Re: [hackers] deanspace.org vs .net
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 09:58:03AM -0700, Ka-Ping Yee wrote: > > On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Goldberg, Joseph wrote: > > > I see that Ping registered deanspace.org, but shouldn't we register > > > deanspace.net as well, if for no other reason than to point it to .org > > > (or vice versa)? > > > > I have both (for exactly that purpose). > Assuming I "grok" you comment, I can't agree here. If said "untrained" user types in deanspace.com, or less likely, deanspace.net and then is immediately shunted to deanspace.org and that's the url then shows in the address field, then I think it's win/win. IMHO CMR <--enter gratuitous quotation that implies my profundity here-->
Re: [hackers] How about deancountry.com?
If it is your fav i can add it to the poll :) -Zack On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Shannon Little wrote: > The name is available and I posted on the forum poll as to why I think > it would be a good choice. People tend to associate web sites with > .com most of all (especially the average web user) and it might be > better to go for something with a .com domain. Just my two cents. >
RE: [hackers] How about deancountry.com?
Hey, no knocking country! For names, I since we'll host the kits somewhere on DFA.com, the public name of the website service will be diff. than the name of the dev community (since my sense is that you all want to remain a loose collective doing vol work but not officially on campaign). Here's the plan from our pov: (1) We host kit service (2) We host the deanster wannabe (talent db, as zack calls it) (3) You (dev com) host yourselves (but you're welcome to be hosted by us) (4) Groups that use the kits host themselves (and are not welcome to be hosted by us cuz then we'd have to be responsible for content, which nobody wants) The naming q could be: (a) about -you- (name of dev. Com) (b) suggestion to the campaign about kit hosting place (c) suggestion to the campaign about the suggestions to the dean community sites about how to brand Seems to me there's a conflation of a, b & c -- inasmuch as they are b & c, I like deanspace fwiw, but I'm not the message guru :) -- will share w/staff. Am I the conflated one, or do I have it right? Z Zephyr Teachout Internet Organizing & Outreach Dean for America [EMAIL PROTECTED] Meetup at http://www.deanforamerica.com/meetup Get local at http://action.deanforamerica.com Contribute at http://www.deanforamerica.com/contribute -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CMR Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hackers] How about deancountry.com? Subject: [hackers] How about deancountry.com? > The name is available and I posted on the forum poll as to why I think > it would be a good choice. People tend to associate web sites with > .com most of all (especially the average web user) and it might be > better to go for something with a .com domain. Just my two cents. > > Sounds like a handle that would appeal more to dubya's crowd to me; as in "y'all hippie tree-huggers from vermont ain't country!" IMHO CMR <--enter gratuitous quotation that implies my profundity here-->
Re: [hackers] deanspace.org vs .net
I think this is a given - although we misshandled it with a4d. -Zack On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: > On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 09:58:03AM -0700, Ka-Ping Yee wrote: > > On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Goldberg, Joseph wrote: > > > I see that Ping registered deanspace.org, but shouldn't we register > > > deanspace.net as well, if for no other reason than to point it to .org > > > (or vice versa)? > > > > I have both (for exactly that purpose). > > I apologize, but this is one of my buttons. *Please* do not alias the > second-level domain name space. It creates *horrible* incorrect expectations > in the minds of untrained users. If you feel the need to register them both, > use them in the fashion originally intended: reserve .net for infrastructural > machine names and other things invisible to the public. At worst, alias > *everything* in one of them to the *root* of the other. > > In practice, you're not really protecting yourself from anything unless you > register deanspace.*, and (luckily), that's not practical. > > Cheers, > -- jra > -- > Jay R. Ashworth[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Member of the Technical Staff Baylink RFC 2100 > The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think > Tampa Bay, Floridahttp://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 > >OS X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging Windows > -- Simon Slavin, on a.f.c >
Re: [hackers] How about deancountry.com?
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 01:05:12PM -0400, Shannon Little wrote: > The name is available and I posted on the forum poll as to why I think > it would be a good choice. People tend to associate web sites with > .com most of all (especially the average web user) and it might be > better to go for something with a .com domain. Just my two cents. Yet another network myth I'd love to explode explicitly... but I'm on site and can't find the references. :-} Neither a4d, h4d (however you expand that), nor dfa are commercial; we don't *belong* in .com -- and there might be legal ramifications. Attorney: "But you registered your domain name in the .com region, a region reserved for commercial entities. You dod realize that this was the implication of .com, right" Yes, attorneys will do stupid things like that in court. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member of the Technical Staff Baylink RFC 2100 The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Floridahttp://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 OS X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging Windows -- Simon Slavin, on a.f.c
Re: [hackers] deanspace.org vs .net
> I see that Ping registered deanspace.org, but shouldn't we register deanspace.net as well, if for no other reason than to point it to .org (or vice versa)? > > Of course this is pending the voting results, but exit polls show deanspace is commanding a strong lead. > > Joe Agreed; conventionally, even among hi traffic non-profits, com would be grabbed as well so that if all sombody remembers is DeanSpace, they will get there if they type in any one of the 3 main extensions... CMR <--enter gratuitous quotation that implies my profundity here-->
Re: [hackers] Ok, the network naming poll is up
Again a note of caution on names here. To a programmer, or a mathematician, DeanSpace makes perfect sense; that's because most programmers tend to think of space as simply being a kind of multi-dimensional coordinate system, where the coordinates may or may not have well defined metrics. To the average persosn, however, space implies NASA, astronauts, the moon, etc., and consequently can seem more than a little bit odd -- does this mean that Dean's going to start endorsing higher NASA budgets? Realistically, I'd be inclined to stay away from it, again with the exception being in our own context. -- Kurt - Original Message - From: "Jay R. Ashworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 7:14 AM Subject: Re: [hackers] Ok, the network naming poll is up > On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 03:22:31AM -0400, Zack Rosen wrote: > > The network name is an attempt at branding. The brand must as inclusive > > as possible for the network to be the most effective. > > > > Branding the network as the fordean.net network is not inclusive if we > > are shipping off fordean.net subdomains, and many sites don't use them. > > > > Branding it as the DeanSpace network is inclusive because we can give > > out fordean.net subdomains branded as DeanSpace, and brand non > > fordean.net sites as Deanspace. > > This is precisely the point I was trying to get to right there at the end. > > I'm not sure DeanSpace is my favorite, but the domain which the nodes go into > by default (if they want to) a) doesn't *have to be* and perhaps b) *should > not be* named after the Brand. > > Cheers, > -- jra > -- > Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Member of the Technical Staff Baylink RFC 2100 > The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think > Tampa Bay, Floridahttp://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 > >OS X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging Windows > -- Simon Slavin, on a.f.c >
Re: [hackers] How about deancountry.com?
> Neither a4d, h4d (however you expand that), nor dfa are commercial; we don't > *belong* in .com -- and there might be legal ramifications. > > Attorney: "But you registered your domain name in the .com region, a region > reserved for commercial entities. You dod realize that this was the > implication of .com, right" > > Yes, attorneys will do stupid things like that in court. These guys don't seem to have an issue with it: http://www.johnkerry.com/ http://www.democrats.com/ http://www.ndol.com/ CMR <--enter gratuitous quotation that implies my profundity here-->
Re: [hackers] How about deancountry.com?
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 01:37:22PM -0400, Zephyr Teachout wrote: > Hey, no knocking country! We're not *wrong*... we're not *sorry*... and it's probably gonna happen again. :-) > For names, I since we'll host the kits somewhere on DFA.com, the public > name of the website service will be diff. than the name of the dev > community (since my sense is that you all want to remain a loose > collective doing vol work but not officially on campaign). I think that's a reasonable description of the rough concensus from last night's chat -- no doubt Zack or Josh will correct me if I'm shooting my mouth off. > Here's the plan from our pov: > > (1) We host kit service > (2) We host the deanster wannabe (talent db, as zack calls it) > > (3) You (dev com) host yourselves (but you're welcome to be hosted by > us) > (4) Groups that use the kits host themselves (and are not welcome to be > hosted by us cuz then we'd have to be responsible for content, which > nobody wants) > > The naming q could be: > (a) about -you- (name of dev. Com) > (b) suggestion to the campaign about kit hosting place > (c) suggestion to the campaign about the suggestions to the dean > community sites about how to brand > > Seems to me there's a conflation of a, b & c -- inasmuch as they are b & > c, I like deanspace fwiw, but I'm not the message guru :) -- will share > w/staff. > > Am I the conflated one, or do I have it right? Conflated? Probably not. Overly terse? Possibly. :-) And I thought *I* was Captain Jargon. There are, actually, 3 issues at hand: 1) the name of the domain/organization which hosts the development of the kit software -- currently hack4dean, though other names were proposed last night which kind of uncouple the raw development from the campaign, such as (mine :-): hack4democracy. A vocal component of the crowd frowns in "hack"'s general direction, but I think that "Americans For Dean" would provide all involved who don't want to fight that battle (I explicitly do) sufficient insulation... In addition, this provides insulation against such silliness as someone deciding that donations of labor need to be figured as campaign contributions at The Going Rate -- since the software organization is explicitly not tied to the campaign, it's not even an issue. 2) the name of the organization which assists local groups -- and possibly also DFA itself -- in deploying that kit. Currently, this organization is Americans For Dean... 3) and the 'thing' it's building -- the interconnected web of Dean related sites -- has it's name up for poll as we speak; some suggestions are DeanSpace and DeanWeb. As Zack notes, consider it a brand... and remember that Tide isn't sold by "Tide Corp", it comes from Proctor and Gamble. Does that clarify what (I think) the questions are? Not to mention the current approaches to answers... -- Jay R. Ashworth[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member of the Technical Staff Baylink RFC 2100 The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Floridahttp://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 OS X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging Windows -- Simon Slavin, on a.f.c
Re: [hackers] How about deancountry.com?
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 11:18:45AM -0700, CMR wrote: > > Attorney: "But you registered your domain name in the .com region, a > region > > reserved for commercial entities. You dod realize that this was the > > implication of .com, right" > > > > Yes, attorneys will do stupid things like that in court. > > These guys don't seem to have an issue with it: > > http://www.johnkerry.com/ > http://www.democrats.com/ > http://www.ndol.com/ > > CMR > > <--enter gratuitous quotation that implies my profundity here--> That some people are morons doesn't make being a moron the right thing to do. This *is* all about doing the right thing, isn't it? Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member of the Technical Staff Baylink RFC 2100 The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Floridahttp://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 OS X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging Windows -- Simon Slavin, on a.f.c
Re: [hackers] How about deancountry.com?
Actually, you're wrong about domain name rules. I just looked it up at www.101domain.com/rules.htm and according to the rules it is actually .net that should be used for companies involving the internet. .org should be used for non-profits. .com is for commercial AND personal sites.
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On Thursday, July 24, 2003, at 02:28 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 11:18:45AM -0700, CMR wrote:
Attorney: "But you registered your domain name in the .com region, a
region
reserved for commercial entities. You dod realize that this was the
implication of .com, right"
Yes, attorneys will do stupid things like that in court.
These guys don't seem to have an issue with it:
http://www.johnkerry.com/
http://www.democrats.com/
http://www.ndol.com/
CMR
<--enter gratuitous quotation that implies my profundity here-->
That some people are morons doesn't make being a moron the right thing to do.
This *is* all about doing the right thing, isn't it?
Cheers,
-- jra
--
Jay R. Ashworth[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Member of the Technical Staff Baylink RFC 2100
The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think
Tampa Bay, Floridahttp://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274
OS X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging Windows
-- Simon Slavin, on a.f.c
Re: [hackers] How about deancountry.com?
> That some people are morons doesn't make being a moron the right thing to do. we're agreed on the above point; we just disagree on what's "right" and what strategy's "moron"ic Cheers^2 CMR <--enter gratuitous quotation that implies my profundity here--> - Original Message - From: "Jay R. Ashworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [hackers] How about deancountry.com? > On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 11:18:45AM -0700, CMR wrote: > > > Attorney: "But you registered your domain name in the .com region, a > > region > > > reserved for commercial entities. You dod realize that this was the > > > implication of .com, right" > > > > > > Yes, attorneys will do stupid things like that in court. > > > > These guys don't seem to have an issue with it: > > > > http://www.johnkerry.com/ > > http://www.democrats.com/ > > http://www.ndol.com/ > > > > CMR > > > > <--enter gratuitous quotation that implies my profundity here--> > > That some people are morons doesn't make being a moron the right thing to do. > > This *is* all about doing the right thing, isn't it? > > Cheers, > -- jra > -- > Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Member of the Technical Staff Baylink RFC 2100 > The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think > Tampa Bay, Floridahttp://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 > >OS X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging Windows > -- Simon Slavin, on a.f.c >
[hackers] deanhost list
The list to discuss hosting is set up: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Josh, Howard, Jeff, and I are currently the only members. I'll post subscription info on the wiki, or you can email me and I'll add you to the list. ~ Jon Jon Lebkowsky CEO/Catalyst, Polycot http://www.polycot.com
Re: [hackers] How about deancountry.com?
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 11:55:39AM -0700, CMR wrote: > > That some people are morons doesn't make being a moron the right thing to > do. > > we're agreed on the above point; we just disagree on what's "right" and what > strategy's "moron"ic Because we disagree does not mean that there is *not* a "right" and a "wrong" here. :-) Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member of the Technical Staff Baylink RFC 2100 The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Floridahttp://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 OS X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging Windows -- Simon Slavin, on a.f.c
Re: [hackers] How about deancountry.com?
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 02:49:40PM -0400, Shannon Little wrote: > Actually, you're wrong about domain name rules. I just looked it up > at www.101domain.com/rules.htm and according to the rules it is > actually .net that should be used for companies involving the internet. > .org should be used for non-profits. .com is for commercial AND > personal sites. The closest thing to an "official" standard on this is likely RFC 1591, which is very old... but what it had to say was: COM - This domain is intended for commercial entities, that is companies. This domain has grown very large and there is concern about the administrative load and system performance if the current growth pattern is continued. Consideration is being taken to subdivide the COM domain and only allow future commercial registrations in the subdomains. [...] NET - This domain is intended to hold only the computers of network providers, that is the NIC and NOC computers, the administrative computers, and the network node computers. The customers of the network provider would have domain names of their own (not in the NET TLD). ORG - This domain is intended as the miscellaneous TLD for organizations that didn't fit anywhere else. Some non- government organizations may fit here. So, no, I don't believe that there's any requirement that organizations be non-profit to be in .org -- actually, it's likely that *no* TLD's except .edu, .int, and .gov require anything anymore. But "requirement" != Best Common Practice, either. If anyone really wants to fight this fight, I'll go track down Cricket and ask *him* what he thinks of 2LD aliasing, but... Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member of the Technical Staff Baylink RFC 2100 The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Floridahttp://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 OS X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging Windows -- Simon Slavin, on a.f.c
Re: [hackers] Ok, the network naming poll is up
Yes, again - we are not planning on ( i dont think) confronting normal users with this concept. They will just see DFA's main site, and unnofficial "communities" (that if your a techy and interested, run on the "DeanSpace" network. _not_ - to participate you must be a DeanSPace member... -Zack On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Kurt Cagle wrote: > Again a note of caution on names here. To a programmer, or a mathematician, > DeanSpace makes perfect sense; that's because most programmers tend to think > of space as simply being a kind of multi-dimensional coordinate system, > where the coordinates may or may not have well defined metrics. To the > average persosn, however, space implies NASA, astronauts, the moon, etc., > and consequently can seem more than a little bit odd -- does this mean that > Dean's going to start endorsing higher NASA budgets? Realistically, I'd be > inclined to stay away from it, again with the exception being in our own > context. > > -- Kurt > - Original Message - > From: "Jay R. Ashworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 7:14 AM > Subject: Re: [hackers] Ok, the network naming poll is up > > > > On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 03:22:31AM -0400, Zack Rosen wrote: > > > The network name is an attempt at branding. The brand must as inclusive > > > as possible for the network to be the most effective. > > > > > > Branding the network as the fordean.net network is not inclusive if we > > > are shipping off fordean.net subdomains, and many sites don't use them. > > > > > > Branding it as the DeanSpace network is inclusive because we can give > > > out fordean.net subdomains branded as DeanSpace, and brand non > > > fordean.net sites as Deanspace. > > > > This is precisely the point I was trying to get to right there at the end. > > > > I'm not sure DeanSpace is my favorite, but the domain which the nodes go > into > > by default (if they want to) a) doesn't *have to be* and perhaps b) > *should > > not be* named after the Brand. > > > > Cheers, > > -- jra > > -- > > Jay R. Ashworth > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Member of the Technical Staff Baylink RFC > 2100 > > The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think > > Tampa Bay, Floridahttp://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 > 1274 > > > >OS X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging > Windows > > -- Simon Slavin, on a.f.c > > >
[hackers] Site name considerations...
It's a good idea to be forward thinking regarding how the name is going to sound and look when referred to on the site and by potential members. This is part of the reason I really like Dean Country. The site could have a nice flash into saying something like "Now entering Dean Country" and a welcome message: "Welcome to Dean Country" , A "Dean Country Map" that could be visual with an image of the US where people could click on their state to find local sites. These are just a few ideas that would fit nicely into a site theme using deancountry.
RE: [hackers] How about deancountry.com?
So the name that is being discussed and voted on is for item (3) the dev group, who may be hosted independent of DFA, and not the Public name where local groups will be directed to download the kit. Thanks - I needed this clarification. jim On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 13:37, Zephyr Teachout wrote: > Hey, no knocking country! > > For names, I since we'll host the kits somewhere on DFA.com, the public > name of the website service will be diff. than the name of the dev > community (since my sense is that you all want to remain a loose > collective doing vol work but not officially on campaign). > > Here's the plan from our pov: > > (1) We host kit service > (2) We host the deanster wannabe (talent db, as zack calls it) > > (3) You (dev com) host yourselves (but you're welcome to be hosted by > us) > (4) Groups that use the kits host themselves (and are not welcome to be > hosted by us cuz then we'd have to be responsible for content, which > nobody wants) > > The naming q could be: > (a) about -you- (name of dev. Com) > (b) suggestion to the campaign about kit hosting place > (c) suggestion to the campaign about the suggestions to the dean > community sites about how to brand > > Seems to me there's a conflation of a, b & c -- inasmuch as they are b & > c, I like deanspace fwiw, but I'm not the message guru :) -- will share > w/staff. > > Am I the conflated one, or do I have it right? > > Z > > > Zephyr Teachout > Internet Organizing & Outreach > Dean for America > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Meetup at http://www.deanforamerica.com/meetup > Get local at http://action.deanforamerica.com > Contribute at http://www.deanforamerica.com/contribute > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of CMR > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:19 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [hackers] How about deancountry.com? > > > Subject: [hackers] How about deancountry.com? > > > > The name is available and I posted on the forum poll as to why I think > > it would be a good choice. People tend to associate web sites with > > .com most of all (especially the average web user) and it might be > > better to go for something with a .com domain. Just my two cents. > > > > > > Sounds like a handle that would appeal more to dubya's crowd to me; as > in > "y'all hippie tree-huggers from vermont ain't country!" > > IMHO > CMR > > <--enter gratuitous quotation that implies my profundity here--> >
Re: [hackers] Site name considerations...
I agree - the brand has to extend to peoples lives. But I don't think land based terminolgy make for accurate descriptors of what this web network will be. For exmple, many of the sites running on the network won't be geographiclly based at all. Also, "dean country" lessens communities ability to define their own image. For exmple, it is implied that all network communities are residents of "Dean Country" - whereas with "DeanSpace" all communities can define where they reside and what they are constituded by and for and make a small note that they are connected to other communities by "DeanSpace". -Zack On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Shannon Little wrote: > It's a good idea to be forward thinking regarding how the name is going > to sound and look when referred to on the site and by potential > members. This is part of the reason I really like Dean Country. The > site could have a nice flash into saying something like "Now entering > Dean Country" and a welcome message: "Welcome to Dean Country" , A > "Dean Country Map" that could be visual with an image of the US where > people could click on their state to find local sites. These are just > a few ideas that would fit nicely into a site theme using deancountry. > >
Re: [hackers] deanspace.org vs .net
We should have .com, .net, and .org if all 3 are available. Most people will type .com, or if they simply type 'deanspace' in their browser it will usually automatically resolve it as www.deanspace.com. On Thursday, July 24, 2003, at 01:36 PM, CMR wrote: On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 09:58:03AM -0700, Ka-Ping Yee wrote: On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Goldberg, Joseph wrote: I see that Ping registered deanspace.org, but shouldn't we register deanspace.net as well, if for no other reason than to point it to .org (or vice versa)? I have both (for exactly that purpose). Assuming I "grok" you comment, I can't agree here. If said "untrained" user types in deanspace.com, or less likely, deanspace.net and then is immediately shunted to deanspace.org and that's the url then shows in the address field, then I think it's win/win. IMHO CMR <--enter gratuitous quotation that implies my profundity here--> -- "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." --Theodore Roosevelt, 26th US President (1858-1919)
RE: [hackers] How about deancountry.com?
No that is incorrect. The name being voted on is the "network name". We will decide after this what the name of the "Dev Community" will be. DFA will have the final say on the name for the "Community Kit". Hope this clears things up, -Zack On 24 Jul 2003, jim sloan wrote: > So the name that is being discussed and voted on is for item (3) the dev > group, who may be hosted independent of DFA, and not the Public name > where local groups will be directed to download the kit. > > Thanks - I needed this clarification. > > jim > > > On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 13:37, Zephyr Teachout wrote: > > Hey, no knocking country! > > > > For names, I since we'll host the kits somewhere on DFA.com, the public > > name of the website service will be diff. than the name of the dev > > community (since my sense is that you all want to remain a loose > > collective doing vol work but not officially on campaign). > > > > Here's the plan from our pov: > > > > (1) We host kit service > > (2) We host the deanster wannabe (talent db, as zack calls it) > > > > (3) You (dev com) host yourselves (but you're welcome to be hosted by > > us) > > (4) Groups that use the kits host themselves (and are not welcome to be > > hosted by us cuz then we'd have to be responsible for content, which > > nobody wants) > > > > The naming q could be: > > (a) about -you- (name of dev. Com) > > (b) suggestion to the campaign about kit hosting place > > (c) suggestion to the campaign about the suggestions to the dean > > community sites about how to brand > > > > Seems to me there's a conflation of a, b & c -- inasmuch as they are b & > > c, I like deanspace fwiw, but I'm not the message guru :) -- will share > > w/staff. > > > > Am I the conflated one, or do I have it right? > > > > Z > > > > > > Zephyr Teachout > > Internet Organizing & Outreach > > Dean for America > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Meetup at http://www.deanforamerica.com/meetup > > Get local at http://action.deanforamerica.com > > Contribute at http://www.deanforamerica.com/contribute > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Behalf Of CMR > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:19 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [hackers] How about deancountry.com? > > > > > > Subject: [hackers] How about deancountry.com? > > > > > > > The name is available and I posted on the forum poll as to why I think > > > it would be a good choice. People tend to associate web sites with > > > .com most of all (especially the average web user) and it might be > > > better to go for something with a .com domain. Just my two cents. > > > > > > > > > > Sounds like a handle that would appeal more to dubya's crowd to me; as > > in > > "y'all hippie tree-huggers from vermont ain't country!" > > > > IMHO > > CMR > > > > <--enter gratuitous quotation that implies my profundity here--> > > > >
RE: [hackers] Site name considerations...
Speaking of maps - I've been working on a quick sample map with interactivity associated with it. You'll need to download the Adobe SVG plugin (http://www.adobe.com/svg/viewer/install/beta.html) (I'll set it up later so that this could be done automatically), and then open up from my own site: http://www.metaphoricalweb.com/usaMap.svg When I'm done with it, you'll be able to upload any information into the map -- Meetup members, dollars received per state, population figures, listings of events by state, and so forth. Let me know what you thin. -- Kurt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shannon Little Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 11:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hackers] Site name considerations... It's a good idea to be forward thinking regarding how the name is going to sound and look when referred to on the site and by potential members. This is part of the reason I really like Dean Country. The site could have a nice flash into saying something like "Now entering Dean Country" and a welcome message: "Welcome to Dean Country" , A "Dean Country Map" that could be visual with an image of the US where people could click on their state to find local sites. These are just a few ideas that would fit nicely into a site theme using deancountry.
Re: [hackers] Ok, the network naming poll is up
Yes, again - we are not planning on ( i dont think) confronting normal users with this concept. In that case, DeanSpace is fine. I withdraw any objections. Lynn S. - Lynn Siprelle * Writer, Mother, Programmer, Fiber Artisan The New Homemaker: http://www.newhomemaker.com/ Siprelle & Associates: http://www.siprelle.com/
Re: [hackers] How about deancountry.com?
Thank You! This sets it straight... > 3) and the 'thing' it's building -- the interconnected web > of Dean related sites -- has it's name up for poll as we speak; some > suggestions are DeanSpace and DeanWeb. As Zack notes, consider it a > brand... and remember that Tide isn't sold by "Tide Corp", it comes from > Proctor and Gamble. So then what is the discussion on domain names about? jim
Re: [hackers] deanspace.org vs .net
I am not too concerned about not having deanspace.com. The only thing we would establish on the domain would be a site for techies. Techies can be entrusted to find their way to the right domain Although it would be nice to have all 3. Or we could solve the problem by buying deaanspace.net / org and having them redirect to a domain where we do have all 3 (like DeanSpaceDev.net org com). -Zack On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Mike Cohen wrote: > We should have .com, .net, and .org if all 3 are available. > > Most people will type .com, or if they simply type 'deanspace' in their > browser it will usually automatically resolve it as www.deanspace.com. > > On Thursday, July 24, 2003, at 01:36 PM, CMR wrote: > > >> On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 09:58:03AM -0700, Ka-Ping Yee wrote: > >>> On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Goldberg, Joseph wrote: > I see that Ping registered deanspace.org, but shouldn't we register > deanspace.net as well, if for no other reason than to point it to > .org > (or vice versa)? > >>> > >>> I have both (for exactly that purpose). > >> > > > > Assuming I "grok" you comment, I can't agree here. If said "untrained" > > user > > types in deanspace.com, or less likely, deanspace.net and then is > > immediately shunted to deanspace.org and that's the url then shows in > > the > > address field, then I think it's win/win. > > > > IMHO > > CMR > > > > <--enter gratuitous quotation that implies my profundity here--> > > > > > > > -- > "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that > we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only > unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American > public." > --Theodore Roosevelt, 26th US President (1858-1919) >
Re: [hackers] Another moron?
http://www.deanforamerica.com/ CMR <--enter gratuitous quotation that implies my profundity here-->
Re: [hackers] Ok, the network naming poll is up
> > Yes, again - we are not planning on ( i dont think) confronting normal > > users with this concept. > > In that case, DeanSpace is fine. I withdraw any objections. > Well, I really like the polling solution; democracy rocks! But based on the above, perhaps a descriptive paragraph should be added to minimize confusion as to what exactly's being voted on. Shades of the "butterfly ballot"? Just a thought.. Oh, and Thanks Josh! CMR <--enter gratuitous quotation that implies my profundity here-->
Re: [hackers] How about deancountry.com?
> So then what is the discussion on domain names about? > OK, it's time for my daily Homer moment: DOH!!! I must have skipped over a post or to today; I thought the issue was domain extensions for the general public sites (I think that I thought anyway...); if it only pertains to the "network hopefully to be known as DeanSpace" then I agree that just .org is ok. I just checked and we already got A4d .com and .org (DOH!!!^2); apologies to the list for contributing to a tempest in a teapot on that one; I'll try to follow the threads more closely before I try my mouth-as-shoe on for size again... Peace CMR <--enter gratuitous quotation that implies my profundity here-->
[hackers] Drupal modules status
Apparently we are supposed to finish these within a week so I should report our status and ask for any direction or help. event.module is working nicely, but still has some rough edges. I am going to clean it up a bit today and tomorrow. export.module is working well. It might need some more tags such as category and something to store the site's zipcode if it wants to be on a dynamically generated map. I know about category, but would like specific suggestions on other tags. I will add in import.module Moshe has a working version in his sandbox. As far as I know everything is working as it should execept aggregating special node types (particularly event). And now for the bad news; that is all I know of that is working and being worked on. We still have action, endorse, mailinglist, and media to build. I believe the design of action and media are still being worked out on this list. Endorse should be straightforward for anyone that wants to do it (if I do it, which I will if needed, I want to see some samples or a simple mockup). There are some great ideas for mailinglist in the wiki. We need to get the specific functionality of these modules nailed down and in the wiki. Once that is done we need people to sit down for a few hours and get them done. -Neil
Re: [hackers] Goals
This sounds (barely) reasonable - I like them a lot. What about MetaDean / "Frontroom"-TalentDB goaks? Zephyr / Josh? I'm in dayjob land. I'll hit this stuff tomorrow. Design docs and wiki pages and everything. cheers -josh
Re: [hackers] Drupal modules status
And now for the bad news; that is all I know of that is working and being worked on. We still have action, endorse, mailinglist, and media to build. I would be willing to take on endorse if I had a bit more confidence in myself. Right now I'm still trying to figure out how I broke the poll bar rendering in my simpledean theme. I'm nonplussed to say the least. This is not the first theme I've written and it's never happened before. Any ideas how I can figure out what I did? I'm going to start backing out routines one by one and see what happens. Lynn S. - Lynn Siprelle * Writer, Mother, Programmer, Fiber Artisan The New Homemaker: http://www.newhomemaker.com/ Siprelle & Associates: http://www.siprelle.com/
[hackers] Themes released on SourceForge
I put bluesky, simpledean, and Dean01 in a single tarball and released them on http://sf.net/projects/dean/. I will install them on http://dean.sf.net/ as soon as that web server decides to cooperate (probably by later tonight) so you can try them out for yourself. Has anyone contacted the people running http://indianafordean.org/ yet? Their site is themed nicely and we might want to grab that. -Neil
Re: [hackers] Themes released on SourceForge
I put bluesky, simpledean, and Dean01 in a single tarball and released them on http://sf.net/projects/dean/. I will install them on http://dean.sf.net/ as soon as that web server decides to cooperate (probably by later tonight) so you can try them out for yourself. Has anyone contacted the people running http://indianafordean.org/ yet? Their site is themed nicely and we might want to grab that. That's on my TODO list. I'll get on it directly tomorrow unless someone else wants to jump on the ball. -j
[hackers] Simpledean fixed
The theme simpledean is fixed and is available at http://www.siprelle.com/simpledean.tar.gz which is the same filename as the old one, but it's the new one. :) The poll issue has been fixed along with a number of other niggly things. I now understand a lot better how themes come together. Lynn S. - Lynn Siprelle * Writer, Mother, Programmer, Fiber Artisan The New Homemaker: http://www.newhomemaker.com/ Siprelle & Associates: http://www.siprelle.com/
[hackers] crap! found something else
I'm never going to release another theme again ever! bleh! I'm fixing another bug right now. Lynn S. - Lynn Siprelle * Writer, Mother, Programmer, Fiber Artisan The New Homemaker: http://www.newhomemaker.com/ Siprelle & Associates: http://www.siprelle.com/
[hackers] Themes up on SF
You can see them on http://dean.sf.net/. I will keep this as updated as possible. -Neil
[hackers] Footers in themes
>From what I have seen none of the three themes properly include the footer. This is >necessary for sites which would like to use a nonstandard footer (of course the >defualt ones will have a creative commons logo and a disclaimer). For example the SourceFogre sandbox includes a SourceForge icon in the footer that SF requires to be visible and generates the statistics. For this reason I am going to turn marvin back on as the default. Dean01 could use some text in the header like simpledean uses. -Neil
Fwd: [hackers] crap! found something else
Fixed and readme file added. Lynn S. - Lynn Siprelle * Writer, Mother, Programmer, Fiber Artisan The New Homemaker: http://www.newhomemaker.com/ Siprelle & Associates: http://www.siprelle.com/
Re: [hackers] Footers in themes
From what I have seen none of the three themes properly include the footer. This is necessary for sites which would like to use a nonstandard footer (of course the defualt ones will have a creative commons logo and a disclaimer). For example the SourceFogre sandbox includes a SourceForge icon in the footer that SF requires to be visible and generates the statistics. For this reason I am going to turn marvin back on as the default. Tell me how the standard footers should be and I'll get simpledean changed and make sure any other themes I make comply. Is this documented in the wiki and I missed it? If not, it should be. Remember some of us are joining the festivities late. :) Show me where the standards are and I'll make sure I comply from now on. Lynn S. - Lynn Siprelle * Writer, Mother, Programmer, Fiber Artisan The New Homemaker: http://www.newhomemaker.com/ Siprelle & Associates: http://www.siprelle.com/
[hackers] request for alteration of blue sky theme
My group met tonight and everyone loves the look of the site...but we all agreed we'd like the title text to be larger. Can someone tell me what file I need to tweak...what should be replaced and by what...to get a bigger title text. I could probably figure it out myself but it would take me a lot longer than someone who has already done some themes. Thanks... On another note...has anyone tried to port modules from other CMS's to drupal? I've found a lot of really cool PHP scripts at www.hotscripts.com that would make great modules or addons...but I am clueless as to how to port them. If there is anything anyone is looking for, say the word and I can probably find it for free. I'm definitely the queen of search. :o)
[hackers] Various Theme questions
Hi all, Working on my Theme CSS and want to verify a few things: Are the element id/class names that the Calendar generates standardized? I.E: is it a piece of code that always spits out the same id/class names for each piece? (e.g. day-noevent, day-link, day-today, etc.) Is the same true with the Login block and it's elements? Aside from the Calendar and Login block, what other specialized sidebar components (other than standard messages)also appear? I've seen/heard of a poll. Is that standard? Finally, anyone have a theme they can send me that uses three columns? Like Indiana's? I know how to structure it, I just don't know what PHP should go in it... :) Thanks! __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
RE: [hackers] Various Theme questions
Indianafordean is using the xtemplate theme. It is very versatile - but has a longer lerning curve. jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Jones Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 10:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hackers] Various Theme questions Hi all, Working on my Theme CSS and want to verify a few things: Are the element id/class names that the Calendar generates standardized? I.E: is it a piece of code that always spits out the same id/class names for each piece? (e.g. day-noevent, day-link, day-today, etc.) Is the same true with the Login block and it's elements? Aside from the Calendar and Login block, what other specialized sidebar components (other than standard messages)also appear? I've seen/heard of a poll. Is that standard? Finally, anyone have a theme they can send me that uses three columns? Like Indiana's? I know how to structure it, I just don't know what PHP should go in it... :) Thanks! __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
Re: [hackers] How about deancountry.com?
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 02:03:52PM -0400, jim sloan wrote: > So the name that is being discussed and voted on is for item (3) the dev > group, who may be hosted independent of DFA, and not the Public name > where local groups will be directed to download the kit. Not quite, unless *I* missed something from the IRC chat last night. It's the *brand name* of the network... which will probably spawn at least one second-level domain, but won't require that. See my reply to Zephyr, as amended. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member of the Technical Staff Baylink RFC 2100 The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Floridahttp://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 OS X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging Windows -- Simon Slavin, on a.f.c
Re: [hackers] How about deancountry.com?
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 04:13:24PM -0500, zachary rosen wrote: > No that is incorrect. The name being voted on is the "network name". We > will decide after this what the name of the "Dev Community" will be. DFA > will have the final say on the name for the "Community Kit". "... as they market it to their campaigners." No? Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member of the Technical Staff Baylink RFC 2100 The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Floridahttp://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 OS X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging Windows -- Simon Slavin, on a.f.c
[hackers] Hey guys - quick note
Let's keep all Theme tech discussion to the "Developers" list, and save "Hackers" mails for announcements / discussions. Sound good? -Zack
[hackers] I made a Dean Links Block for drupal
It's not much, but I'm not a coder and it looks nice on the site I'm working on. You can see it at www.uppervalleyfordean.com/drupal The file is wicked small...some code to copy and paste into a block you create, a screenshot and a Read Me file. I zipped it up and can e-mail it to anyone who wants to offer it as an add on...just say the word. The zip file is only 16kb.
[hackers] Endorse and weekend
Hi, I write to tell you two things. First, regarding the endorse module, even if we use Illinois for Dean's Dean-o-gram initative (which isn't finished yet), it is still going to need to be incorporated into Drupal. Someone (Lynn seemed to volunteer) should start work or be thinking about this IMHO. Second, I am leaving for DC in a little over 4 hours for the Teach for America School-Based Team Conference. I won't be back til late Sunday. ~Alison
