Re: [H] Does Creative Labs owe you money?
Brian Weeden wrote: I got a letter about this and just laughed and threw it in the trash. If they win the class action lawsuit you get money... in the form of rebates on Creative products. Hmmm let me think about this. You are suing the company because they either lied to you or made a crappy product, and yet you are willing to buy more of their products as a result. This isn't a case of the consumers getting justice for having been screwed by a company. This is a case of some lawyers finding a crack in the company's legal boilerplate and recruiting consumers to help them get rich off it because the more plaintiffs in the class action lawsuit the more they get paid in fees. And you know the lawyer's fees aren't getting paid in rebates. Hey now, I swore the article said the lawyers were paid with $470,000 worth of Creative Lab's finest equipment. :) -- - Carroll Kong
[H] [OT] Any BGP4 experts on the list?
I have a few questions about removing BGP4 from our setup. I did not set this up, at the time we had a network admin. I am looking to remove the BGP4 and replace it with hardware load balancing. The hardware part is all worked out I jus have a few questions on the removing of BGP4. Thanks, Don
RE: [H] [OT] Any BGP4 experts on the list? - hijack
These are some of the reasons we are going to the hardware solution.
Not sure if you have budget but F5, Radware and otehrs have hardware
solutions that allow everything you are asking for.
-Original Message-
From: G.Waleed Kavalec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:18 AM
To: The Hardware List
Subject: Re: [H] [OT] Any BGP4 experts on the list? - hijack
Let me hijack the question while we are here.
We have a bundled dual T1 via SBC, and a single via another provider;
we use BGP4 and a couple of Cisco's to make sure failover works. It
has been tested by some real failures... it works
(I have even been asked about a Cable connection as an extra insurance
policy.)
Question: What would it take to extend this to do load balancing? On
certain predictable days of the month we push the limit on the dual
T1; I would love to have that spill over to the backup T1.
Can that be done?
And, unrelated question, can BGP4 be implemented over Cable? Can I
give this site a non-phone-wire backup? ('Cause if SBC ever REALLY
took a hit, it would knock out my current backup too.)
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:07:03 -0500, Carroll Kong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Don Couture wrote:
I have a few questions about removing BGP4 from our setup.
I did not set this up, at the time we had a network admin.
I am looking to remove the BGP4 and replace it with hardware load
balancing. The hardware part is all worked out I jus have a few
questions on the removing of BGP4.
Thanks,
Don
First off, why are you using BGP? It is usually used to backup the
same
block of IPs INBOUND (assuming you have more than one Internet
connection).
What exactly are you load balancing? Inbound connections to a server?
I presume you wanted to load balance to even the usage of each
incoming
Internet connection.
--
- Carroll Kong
--
G. Waleed Kavalec
-
And those who strive in Our (cause),
We will certainly guide them to our Paths:
For verily Allah is with those who do right.
-- Qur'an, Al-'Ankabut, Surah 29:69
RE: [H] [OT] Any BGP4 experts on the list? - hijack
The best solution to migrate from BGP4 for incoming traffic
http://www.fatpipeinc.com/
007.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of G.Waleed Kavalec
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:18 AM
To: The Hardware List
Subject: Re: [H] [OT] Any BGP4 experts on the list? - hijack
Let me hijack the question while we are here.
We have a bundled dual T1 via SBC, and a single via another provider;
we use BGP4 and a couple of Cisco's to make sure failover works. It
has been tested by some real failures... it works
(I have even been asked about a Cable connection as an extra insurance
policy.)
Question: What would it take to extend this to do load balancing? On
certain predictable days of the month we push the limit on the dual
T1; I would love to have that spill over to the backup T1.
Can that be done?
And, unrelated question, can BGP4 be implemented over Cable? Can I
give this site a non-phone-wire backup? ('Cause if SBC ever REALLY
took a hit, it would knock out my current backup too.)
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:07:03 -0500, Carroll Kong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Don Couture wrote:
I have a few questions about removing BGP4 from our setup.
I did not set this up, at the time we had a network admin.
I am looking to remove the BGP4 and replace it with hardware load
balancing. The hardware part is all worked out I jus have a few
questions on the removing of BGP4.
Thanks,
Don
First off, why are you using BGP? It is usually used to backup the same
block of IPs INBOUND (assuming you have more than one Internet
connection).
What exactly are you load balancing? Inbound connections to a server?
I presume you wanted to load balance to even the usage of each incoming
Internet connection.
--
- Carroll Kong
--
G. Waleed Kavalec
-
And those who strive in Our (cause),
We will certainly guide them to our Paths:
For verily Allah is with those who do right.
-- Qur'an, Al-'Ankabut, Surah 29:69
Re: [H] [OT] Any BGP4 experts on the list?
Don Couture wrote: That is how we use it. I am looking to remove it. -Original Message- From: G.Waleed Kavalec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 9:53 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] [OT] Any BGP4 experts on the list? We use it only for failover between two providers, so I don't think our experience will be applicable. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:51:09 -0500, Don Couture [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a few questions about removing BGP4 from our setup. I did not set this up, at the time we had a network admin. I am looking to remove the BGP4 and replace it with hardware load balancing. The hardware part is all worked out I jus have a few questions on the removing of BGP4. Thanks, Don You might want to talk to your ISP first. If the ISP relies on your routers to announce your networks via BGP, then pulling it out will make your network unreachable. Make sure you let the ISP know you will no longer be announcing your networks through BGP, so they can throw static routes to the proper T1s. Then you can remove the BGP configuration from the Cisco routers so it is clear that you are no longer using BGP. Note, that it is not completely necessary to remove the configuration. Once your ISP ignores your BGP requests, it does not matter what your routers tell them. -- - Carroll Kong
Re: [H] Time taken to convert an Avi?
with WinAvi it takes me something like 45 minutes for a DivX AVI to SVCD, however if I use something else like TMPGenc then it can take a good 3 - 4 hrs. are you using cinema craft as the mpeg encoder for the SVCD2DVD implementation or TMPGenc? On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:37:08 +1100, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wondering what how long it generally takes for others to convert avi's to SVCD? Currently I'm converting a BBC series Wild Weather into SVCD compliant PAL mpgs before converting them to DVD with SVCD2DVD. Each avi is approx 1hr long (720Mb) and they're taking me 2hrs each on a P4 2.8 with a gig of ram using TMPGEnc Express. Seems a long time for such a task. -- -Francisco http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...
RE: [H] [OT] Any BGP4 experts on the list?
Thank you, This is the advise I was looking for. From my research I gathered our ISP was responsible for the routes. Am I correct in that only our failover ISP will have to be notified. The primary advertises the same routes no matter what. Thanks, Don -Original Message- From: Carroll Kong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 11:26 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] [OT] Any BGP4 experts on the list? Don Couture wrote: That is how we use it. I am looking to remove it. -Original Message- From: G.Waleed Kavalec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 9:53 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] [OT] Any BGP4 experts on the list? We use it only for failover between two providers, so I don't think our experience will be applicable. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:51:09 -0500, Don Couture [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a few questions about removing BGP4 from our setup. I did not set this up, at the time we had a network admin. I am looking to remove the BGP4 and replace it with hardware load balancing. The hardware part is all worked out I jus have a few questions on the removing of BGP4. Thanks, Don You might want to talk to your ISP first. If the ISP relies on your routers to announce your networks via BGP, then pulling it out will make your network unreachable. Make sure you let the ISP know you will no longer be announcing your networks through BGP, so they can throw static routes to the proper T1s. Then you can remove the BGP configuration from the Cisco routers so it is clear that you are no longer using BGP. Note, that it is not completely necessary to remove the configuration. Once your ISP ignores your BGP requests, it does not matter what your routers tell them. -- - Carroll Kong
Re: [H] [OT] Any BGP4 experts on the list?
Don Couture wrote: Thank you, This is the advise I was looking for. From my research I gathered our ISP was responsible for the routes. Am I correct in that only our failover ISP will have to be notified. The primary advertises the same routes no matter what. Thanks, Don You might want to talk to your ISP first. If the ISP relies on your routers to announce your networks via BGP, then pulling it out will make your network unreachable. Make sure you let the ISP know you will no longer be announcing your networks through BGP, so they can throw static routes to the proper T1s. Then you can remove the BGP configuration from the Cisco routers so it is clear that you are no longer using BGP. Note, that it is not completely necessary to remove the configuration. Once your ISP ignores your BGP requests, it does not matter what your routers tell them. Every upstream ISP that has a BGP peering session with a Cisco router should be notified. It depends on the ISP's infrastructure. The ISP is generally going to announce the super net of your network address simply because it has other customers in that range. However, whether or not the ISP knows how to reach your network block within their own network depends on how they set it up. Since a static route would override a BGP route, unless they have an elaborate system that will inject a route internally to point to the right T1s after the loss of BGP routes, your network might become unreachable. Given that, you might even want to notify your primary ISP as well as the failover ISP to let them know you plan on stopping the BGP session. -- - Carroll Kong
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, 007 wrote: Some quirks exist in Voice/IP. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58598-2005Mar22.html The parents, who survived their injuries, didn't specifically request 911 services when they signed up. Abbott, who is seeking $20,000 for each violation, said Vonage's marketing materials don't make it clear that users need to sign up to make 911 calls. Vonage is *MORE* than clear about this, they are downright IN YOUR FACE (Caps required to really understand how specific they are on this issue) that you need to activate your 911 service. In fact, in the feature menu on your account screed (Where you setup voicemail, call waiting, etc the exact verbage is: 911 Dialing is NOT automatic. You must activate 911 Dialing for each number on your account. To activate or change activation information, choose a number below. Oh, and it's in the only non-grey table cell (The cell is red). I was notified 5 or more times during the process that 911 calling had to be activated, and would *NOT* work before activated. Idiots. Christopher Fisk -- I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low. -Calvin
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
The customer has to activate since he/she has to state where that phone is going to be used since theoretically it can be used anywhere it's got an internet connection. How is Vonage going to know where you are using that phone? Hence it's up to you to do a bit of work. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:23:38 -0600, G.Waleed Kavalec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So why not just default it to active and save lives? On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:17:57 -0500 (EST), Christopher Fisk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, 007 wrote: Some quirks exist in Voice/IP. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58598-2005Mar22.html The parents, who survived their injuries, didn't specifically request 911 services when they signed up. Abbott, who is seeking $20,000 for each violation, said Vonage's marketing materials don't make it clear that users need to sign up to make 911 calls. Vonage is *MORE* than clear about this, they are downright IN YOUR FACE (Caps required to really understand how specific they are on this issue) that you need to activate your 911 service. In fact, in the feature menu on your account screed (Where you setup voicemail, call waiting, etc the exact verbage is: 911 Dialing is NOT automatic. You must activate 911 Dialing for each number on your account. To activate or change activation information, choose a number below. Oh, and it's in the only non-grey table cell (The cell is red). I was notified 5 or more times during the process that 911 calling had to be activated, and would *NOT* work before activated. Idiots. Christopher Fisk -- I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low. -Calvin -- G. Waleed Kavalec --- Why are we all in this handbasket and where is it going so fast ? -- -jmg Chaos often breeds life, when order breeds habit. Henry Brooks Adams [1838-1918]
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
So why not just default it to active and save lives? Apparently because, without being told explicitly by the customer, Vonage doesn't know which jurisdiction to forward 911 calls to. OTOH, you would think they could default the jurisdiction to the billing address, or require that the residence address be disclosed during the initial setup. Gary VanderMolen
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, G.Waleed Kavalec wrote: So why not just default it to active and save lives? Sure. So, which 911 exchange should 208.20.76.243 go to? Basically, vonage has no clue where you are located in the world when you sign up, and what happens when you move? Like i said, during the signup process you are notified multiple times that you need to setup 911 calling. It's the first thing I did after I created my account, just because they were so specific about it. Christopher Fisk -- Loosely confederate colors of Benetton
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
G.Waleed Kavalec wrote: So why not just default it to active and save lives? They need to know where to route the information though to make the 911 call sensible. I am going to presume it is because a normal phone line's actual numbers denotes the locality, where as a mobile phone number is not routed necessarily by locality. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58598-2005Mar22.html The article hints at this, as I thought the same thing you did. However, all in all, everyone and their grandma has warned me that 911 is not a given for VoIP. It seems they warned people enough, and I think the last comment in the article about how it can't work if they cannot provide emergency services is somewhat ludicrious. Can't you just have a speed dial for your local fire department and police station? Back when we did not have the technology to easily store phone numbers, the need for 911 was very important. I think 911 might also give a faster response time, but at least have the local police station as a backup call with the other cell phone they probably got in their family plan. -- - Carroll Kong
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
I confess to ignorance re VoIP, but this can't be rocket science. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:29:05 -0500, j m g [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The customer has to activate since he/she has to state where that phone is going to be used since theoretically it can be used anywhere it's got an internet connection. How is Vonage going to know where you are using that phone? Hence it's up to you to do a bit of work. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:23:38 -0600, G.Waleed Kavalec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So why not just default it to active and save lives? On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:17:57 -0500 (EST), Christopher Fisk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, 007 wrote: Some quirks exist in Voice/IP. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58598-2005Mar22.html The parents, who survived their injuries, didn't specifically request 911 services when they signed up. Abbott, who is seeking $20,000 for each violation, said Vonage's marketing materials don't make it clear that users need to sign up to make 911 calls. Vonage is *MORE* than clear about this, they are downright IN YOUR FACE (Caps required to really understand how specific they are on this issue) that you need to activate your 911 service. In fact, in the feature menu on your account screed (Where you setup voicemail, call waiting, etc the exact verbage is: 911 Dialing is NOT automatic. You must activate 911 Dialing for each number on your account. To activate or change activation information, choose a number below. Oh, and it's in the only non-grey table cell (The cell is red). I was notified 5 or more times during the process that 911 calling had to be activated, and would *NOT* work before activated. Idiots. Christopher Fisk -- I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low. -Calvin -- G. Waleed Kavalec --- Why are we all in this handbasket and where is it going so fast ? -- -jmg Chaos often breeds life, when order breeds habit. Henry Brooks Adams [1838-1918] -- G. Waleed Kavalec --- Why are we all in this handbasket and where is it going so fast ?
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
I'll bet if 208.20.76.243 hacked into the DOD, they would get located. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:29:39 -0500 (EST), Christopher Fisk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, G.Waleed Kavalec wrote: So why not just default it to active and save lives? Sure. So, which 911 exchange should 208.20.76.243 go to? Basically, vonage has no clue where you are located in the world when you sign up, and what happens when you move? Like i said, during the signup process you are notified multiple times that you need to setup 911 calling. It's the first thing I did after I created my account, just because they were so specific about it. Christopher Fisk -- Loosely confederate colors of Benetton -- G. Waleed Kavalec --- Why are we all in this handbasket and where is it going so fast ?
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
it does need a little intervention on the part of the user - imagine that. I.e. doomed to failure. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:37:21 -0500, j m g [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No it's not rocket science, but it does need a little intervention on the part of the user - imagine that. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:32:47 -0600, G.Waleed Kavalec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I confess to ignorance re VoIP, but this can't be rocket science. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:29:05 -0500, j m g [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The customer has to activate since he/she has to state where that phone is going to be used since theoretically it can be used anywhere it's got an internet connection. How is Vonage going to know where you are using that phone? Hence it's up to you to do a bit of work. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:23:38 -0600, G.Waleed Kavalec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So why not just default it to active and save lives? On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:17:57 -0500 (EST), Christopher Fisk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, 007 wrote: Some quirks exist in Voice/IP. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58598-2005Mar22.html The parents, who survived their injuries, didn't specifically request 911 services when they signed up. Abbott, who is seeking $20,000 for each violation, said Vonage's marketing materials don't make it clear that users need to sign up to make 911 calls. Vonage is *MORE* than clear about this, they are downright IN YOUR FACE (Caps required to really understand how specific they are on this issue) that you need to activate your 911 service. In fact, in the feature menu on your account screed (Where you setup voicemail, call waiting, etc the exact verbage is: 911 Dialing is NOT automatic. You must activate 911 Dialing for each number on your account. To activate or change activation information, choose a number below. Oh, and it's in the only non-grey table cell (The cell is red). I was notified 5 or more times during the process that 911 calling had to be activated, and would *NOT* work before activated. Idiots. Christopher Fisk -- I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low. -Calvin -- G. Waleed Kavalec --- Why are we all in this handbasket and where is it going so fast ? -- -jmg Chaos often breeds life, when order breeds habit. Henry Brooks Adams [1838-1918] -- G. Waleed Kavalec --- Why are we all in this handbasket and where is it going so fast ? -- -jmg Chaos often breeds life, when order breeds habit. Henry Brooks Adams [1838-1918] -- G. Waleed Kavalec --- Why are we all in this handbasket and where is it going so fast ?
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
Basically that's my opinion. For the record I do NOT believe the lawsuit should succeed, but I do believe that defaulting to no-911 is a bad decision. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:51:12 -0800, Gary VanderMolen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OTOH, a default 'best guess' by Vonage is better than nothing. After all, we're talking about saving people's lives. Gary VanderMolen - Original Message - No it's not rocket science, but it does need a little intervention on the part of the user - imagine that. -- G. Waleed Kavalec --- Why are we all in this handbasket and where is it going so fast ?
RE: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
Both sides have a point; In a sue happy nation it makes sense to lawyer-up before launching a product and envision all scenarios. Then come up with a product that has warning labels on it and backup methods for laymen not paying attention. (E.g. this side up, do not put a cup in this CD Tray etc.) 007 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of j m g Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:37 PM To: G.Waleed Kavalec; The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911 No it's not rocket science, but it does need a little intervention on the part of the user - imagine that. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:32:47 -0600, G.Waleed Kavalec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I confess to ignorance re VoIP, but this can't be rocket science. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:29:05 -0500, j m g [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The customer has to activate since he/she has to state where that phone is going to be used since theoretically it can be used anywhere it's got an internet connection. How is Vonage going to know where you are using that phone? Hence it's up to you to do a bit of work. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:23:38 -0600, G.Waleed Kavalec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So why not just default it to active and save lives? On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:17:57 -0500 (EST), Christopher Fisk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, 007 wrote: Some quirks exist in Voice/IP. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58598-2005Mar22.html The parents, who survived their injuries, didn't specifically request 911 services when they signed up. Abbott, who is seeking $20,000 for each violation, said Vonage's marketing materials don't make it clear that users need to sign up to make 911 calls. Vonage is *MORE* than clear about this, they are downright IN YOUR FACE (Caps required to really understand how specific they are on this issue) that you need to activate your 911 service. In fact, in the feature menu on your account screed (Where you setup voicemail, call waiting, etc the exact verbage is: 911 Dialing is NOT automatic. You must activate 911 Dialing for each number on your account. To activate or change activation information, choose a number below. Oh, and it's in the only non-grey table cell (The cell is red). I was notified 5 or more times during the process that 911 calling had to be activated, and would *NOT* work before activated. Idiots. Christopher Fisk -- I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low. -Calvin -- G. Waleed Kavalec --- Why are we all in this handbasket and where is it going so fast ? -- -jmg Chaos often breeds life, when order breeds habit. Henry Brooks Adams [1838-1918] -- G. Waleed Kavalec --- Why are we all in this handbasket and where is it going so fast ? -- -jmg Chaos often breeds life, when order breeds habit. Henry Brooks Adams [1838-1918]
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
Allow coffee to cool before applying to groin On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:55:34 -0500, 007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Both sides have a point; In a sue happy nation it makes sense to lawyer-up before launching a product and envision all scenarios. Then come up with a product that has warning labels on it and backup methods for laymen not paying attention. (E.g. this side up, do not put a cup in this CD Tray etc.) 007 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of j m g Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:37 PM To: G.Waleed Kavalec; The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911 No it's not rocket science, but it does need a little intervention on the part of the user - imagine that. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:32:47 -0600, G.Waleed Kavalec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I confess to ignorance re VoIP, but this can't be rocket science. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:29:05 -0500, j m g [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The customer has to activate since he/she has to state where that phone is going to be used since theoretically it can be used anywhere it's got an internet connection. How is Vonage going to know where you are using that phone? Hence it's up to you to do a bit of work. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:23:38 -0600, G.Waleed Kavalec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So why not just default it to active and save lives? On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:17:57 -0500 (EST), Christopher Fisk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, 007 wrote: Some quirks exist in Voice/IP. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58598-2005Mar22.html The parents, who survived their injuries, didn't specifically request 911 services when they signed up. Abbott, who is seeking $20,000 for each violation, said Vonage's marketing materials don't make it clear that users need to sign up to make 911 calls. Vonage is *MORE* than clear about this, they are downright IN YOUR FACE (Caps required to really understand how specific they are on this issue) that you need to activate your 911 service. In fact, in the feature menu on your account screed (Where you setup voicemail, call waiting, etc the exact verbage is: 911 Dialing is NOT automatic. You must activate 911 Dialing for each number on your account. To activate or change activation information, choose a number below. Oh, and it's in the only non-grey table cell (The cell is red). I was notified 5 or more times during the process that 911 calling had to be activated, and would *NOT* work before activated. Idiots. Christopher Fisk -- I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low. -Calvin -- G. Waleed Kavalec --- Why are we all in this handbasket and where is it going so fast ? -- -jmg Chaos often breeds life, when order breeds habit. Henry Brooks Adams [1838-1918] -- G. Waleed Kavalec --- Why are we all in this handbasket and where is it going so fast ? -- -jmg Chaos often breeds life, when order breeds habit. Henry Brooks Adams [1838-1918] -- G. Waleed Kavalec --- Why are we all in this handbasket and where is it going so fast ?
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
At 01:37 PM 23/03/2005, j m g wrote: No it's not rocket science, but it does need a little intervention on the part of the user - imagine that. May I point out that these lamers managed to live for years without 911. They actually wrote down the police number and put it beside the phone. Wildly imaginative of them. T --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Anti-Virus]
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
At 01:51 PM 23/03/2005, Gary VanderMolen wrote: OTOH, a default 'best guess' by Vonage is better than nothing. After all, we're talking about saving people's lives. Unless the 911 call goes to the wrong location and someone else doesn't get police/fire/ambulance support because they are being wasted looking for a call that has been misrouted. That would be Vonage's fault, so why would they hang themselves out like that? T --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Anti-Virus]
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, G.Waleed Kavalec wrote: I'll bet if 208.20.76.243 hacked into the DOD, they would get located. In real time? Christopher Fisk -- MY BUTT DOES NOT DESERVE A WEBSITE MY BUTT DOES NOT DESERVE A WEBSITE Bart Simpson on chalkboard in episode 3G04
RE: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
Closer then you'd think. We've had people hack into (try) corporates here in KC, and they were tracked within 1/2 hour or less. If you've got the money to throw at it, and you have the right connections with the right tier1 providers, it can be done. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Fisk Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:12 PM To: G.Waleed Kavalec; The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911 On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, G.Waleed Kavalec wrote: I'll bet if 208.20.76.243 hacked into the DOD, they would get located. In real time? Christopher Fisk -- MY BUTT DOES NOT DESERVE A WEBSITE MY BUTT DOES NOT DESERVE A WEBSITE Bart Simpson on chalkboard in episode 3G04
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
Thane Sherrington wrote: At 01:51 PM 23/03/2005, Gary VanderMolen wrote: OTOH, a default 'best guess' by Vonage is better than nothing. After all, we're talking about saving people's lives. Unless the 911 call goes to the wrong location and someone else doesn't get police/fire/ambulance support because they are being wasted looking for a call that has been misrouted. That would be Vonage's fault, so why would they hang themselves out like that? T --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Anti-Virus] Yup, and it would be another Vonage lawsuit. I can see the headlines now MISDIRECTED 911 CALL, KILLS CHILD How about if people just started to become more responsible again? A cell phone is a privilege. Having your local police and firestation's phone number in your cell phone does not seem too expensive of a burden if you care enough. -- - Carroll Kong
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
OTOH, a default 'best guess' by Vonage is better than nothing. After all, we're talking about saving people's lives. Unless the 911 call goes to the wrong location and someone else doesn't get police/fire/ambulance support because they are being wasted looking for a call that has been misrouted. That would be Vonage's fault, so why would they hang themselves out like that? You'd be surprised how many 911 calls are initially misrouted (calls from cellphones especially). Emergency call centers are equipped to handle that sort of thing. I seriously doubt that Vonage would be held liable for making a best guess on where to route a customer's 911 call when the customer has failed to specify the geographic location. Gary VanderMolen
Re: [H] Time taken to convert an Avi?
that is about right for TMPGEnc enable a couple of filters and you could be looking at 12 hours! At 10:37 PM 3/22/2005, you wrote: Just wondering what how long it generally takes for others to convert avi's to SVCD? Currently I'm converting a BBC series Wild Weather into SVCD compliant PAL mpgs before converting them to DVD with SVCD2DVD. Each avi is approx 1hr long (720Mb) and they're taking me 2hrs each on a P4 2.8 with a gig of ram using TMPGEnc Express. Seems a long time for such a task.
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
How difficult would it be for someone to take responsibility for their own safety and not leave it in someone else's never mind. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:32:26 -0800, Gary VanderMolen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Come on, the users are told they need to enter this information, they are told multiple times. How is this not the users fault? How difficult would it be for Vonage to modify their setup GUI such that it requires disclosure of the physical location before the customer is allowed to use the device for the first time? It shouldn't be an option. Gary VanderMolen -- -jmg Chaos often breeds life, when order breeds habit. Henry Brooks Adams [1838-1918]
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
And so many people are now 24/7 that they can't freaking leave their cell phone at home in the theaters.. the world would end if they were out of touch for 2 hours!! -Original message- From: Carroll Kong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:26:08 -0600 To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911 Christopher Fisk wrote: On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Chris Reeves wrote: Closer then you'd think. We've had people hack into (try) corporates here in KC, and they were tracked within 1/2 hour or less. If you've got the money to throw at it, and you have the right connections with the right tier1 providers, it can be done. 1/2 hr isn't fast enough for 911. Come on, the users are told they need to enter this information, they are told multiple times. How is this not the users fault? Christopher Fisk Are you out of you mind? It's the fault of Dungeons and Dragons. No wait, it's the fault of television. No, it is the fault of books. No, it is the fault of pornographic material. No, it is the fault of video games! But, the never ever ever ever ever the user's fault. -- - Carroll Kong
[H] Converting AVI to DVD.
If I have an AVI file, how do I convert it into something that will burn as a DVD? T --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Anti-Virus]
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
It would be impossible. The requirement to force disclosure of location is against the law under telemarketing rules in 12 states. So they would have to customize their software to appreciate that based on the state it was in.. almost impossible to do, considering they wouldn't know until after the person entered that information. Because some states have their DNC lists and DNA lists oriented in such a way (example: Missouri) a requirement to ask for physical address in software you install is not feasible.. there are ways they can get around that (ie, enter before you download, etc.) but they can't force you to do it as part of a sell of service. CW -Original message- From: Gary VanderMolen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:32:35 -0600 To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911 Come on, the users are told they need to enter this information, they are told multiple times. How is this not the users fault? How difficult would it be for Vonage to modify their setup GUI such that it requires disclosure of the physical location before the customer is allowed to use the device for the first time? It shouldn't be an option. Gary VanderMolen
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:12:23 -0500 (EST), Christopher Fisk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, G.Waleed Kavalec wrote: I'll bet if 208.20.76.243 hacked into the DOD, they would get located. In real time? Try it and see ;-)
Re: [H] Converting AVI to DVD.
I've taken tons of DiVX, AVI etc. converted straight to DVD with good fortune with NeroVisions3. No hitch at all; and beautiful for the HDTV captures :) -Original message- From: Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:33:24 -0600 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Converting AVI to DVD. If I have an AVI file, how do I convert it into something that will burn as a DVD? T --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Anti-Virus]
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
So force disclosure of preferred 911 area. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:56:18 -0600, CW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be impossible. The requirement to force disclosure of location is against the law under telemarketing rules in 12 states. So they would have to customize their software to appreciate that based on the state it was in.. almost impossible to do, considering they wouldn't know until after the person entered that information. Because some states have their DNC lists and DNA lists oriented in such a way (example: Missouri) a requirement to ask for physical address in software you install is not feasible.. there are ways they can get around that (ie, enter before you download, etc.) but they can't force you to do it as part of a sell of service. CW -Original message- From: Gary VanderMolen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:32:35 -0600 To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911 Come on, the users are told they need to enter this information, they are told multiple times. How is this not the users fault? How difficult would it be for Vonage to modify their setup GUI such that it requires disclosure of the physical location before the customer is allowed to use the device for the first time? It shouldn't be an option. Gary VanderMolen -- G. Waleed Kavalec --- Why are we all in this handbasket and where is it going so fast ?
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
Probably could be/should be done, however, if the company does make the effort to inform users that they need to do this anyway, forcing it is a mixed bag (realize, there are still areas of the US where 911 does not exist.. example: my parents live in such an area.. ) CW -Original message- From: G.Waleed Kavalec [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:58:38 -0600 To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911 So force disclosure of preferred 911 area.
Re: [H] Converting AVI to DVD.
At 01:57 PM 3/23/2005, CW typed: I've taken tons of DiVX, AVI etc. converted straight to DVD with good fortune with NeroVisions3. No hitch at all; and beautiful for the HDTV captures :) If that doesn't work then you can try WinAVI which does a decent job. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
So vonage should default to potentially incorrect information for emergency response - I don't see the point. This makes you safer? On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:01:21 -0500, Wayne Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 01:43 PM 3/23/2005, j m g typed: How difficult would it be for someone to take responsibility for their own safety and not leave it in someone else's never mind. I always forget to put in the local police fire dept #s for a few days after getting a phone because I've become spoiled with 911 being there. If it weren't, I'd be ticked off. It's one thing to have people take responsibility but it's another to spoil them then take it away. I agree with Gary, Vonage should've defaulted to some geographic location even if it is one town to the N,S,E or W. I've called 911 from my cell phone have had calls rerouted to the correct municipality. Heck, we have local local 911 calls rerouted to the various police or fire dept. in our small town in the cases that are non life threatening the people at 911 then they tell you the local # is blah blah to please leave these lines open for such. OBTW how would you like to get a call that says they can't call nine eleven because the guy says he doesn't have an eleven on his phone? This is the level of intelligence that the 911 people have to put up with are there to protect even if it's from themselves. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com -- -jmg Chaos often breeds life, when order breeds habit. Henry Brooks Adams [1838-1918]
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
At 02:01 PM 3/23/2005, CW typed: there are still areas of the US where 911 does not exist.. example: my parents live in such an area.. But because they don't I assume they know the local police, fire hosp numbers or at least program them into their phone(s). --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, G.Waleed Kavalec wrote: So force disclosure of preferred 911 area. This is a good idea, and will probably end up being done just because it makes sense, but does that mean this couple who didn't specify their 911 calling area should get $20,000 from Vonage? I guess I'm from the survival of the fittest mindset. If you are too stupid/lazy to setup something you are notified about in documentation and during the signup process, then it is your own damn fault. IMO the notifications vonage makes are in good faith, straightforward and do not misadvertize at all what needs to be done. In fact, once you actually set the number up you are told it's not immediate, that you need to wait for a confirmation email before it's setup. (My confirmation email came in 30 minutes) If you are too stupid to use VoIP, then stay with POTS. Christopher Fisk -- Leela: Now strip naked and get on the probulator.
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
Is it so hard to imaging yourself trapped in an emergency - with someone else's Vonage phone? On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:09:44 -0500, j m g [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So vonage should default to potentially incorrect information for emergency response - I don't see the point. This makes you safer? On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:01:21 -0500, Wayne Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 01:43 PM 3/23/2005, j m g typed: How difficult would it be for someone to take responsibility for their own safety and not leave it in someone else's never mind. I always forget to put in the local police fire dept #s for a few days after getting a phone because I've become spoiled with 911 being there. If it weren't, I'd be ticked off. It's one thing to have people take responsibility but it's another to spoil them then take it away. I agree with Gary, Vonage should've defaulted to some geographic location even if it is one town to the N,S,E or W. I've called 911 from my cell phone have had calls rerouted to the correct municipality. Heck, we have local local 911 calls rerouted to the various police or fire dept. in our small town in the cases that are non life threatening the people at 911 then they tell you the local # is blah blah to please leave these lines open for such. OBTW how would you like to get a call that says they can't call nine eleven because the guy says he doesn't have an eleven on his phone? This is the level of intelligence that the 911 people have to put up with are there to protect even if it's from themselves. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com -- -jmg Chaos often breeds life, when order breeds habit. Henry Brooks Adams [1838-1918] -- G. Waleed Kavalec --- Why are we all in this handbasket and where is it going so fast ?
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
Texas is suing, not the couple. Specifically Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott. He should lose, IMHO, but a 'default 911 area' should go in. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:13:56 -0500 (EST), Christopher Fisk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, G.Waleed Kavalec wrote: So force disclosure of preferred 911 area. This is a good idea, and will probably end up being done just because it makes sense, but does that mean this couple who didn't specify their 911 calling area should get $20,000 from Vonage? I guess I'm from the survival of the fittest mindset. If you are too stupid/lazy to setup something you are notified about in documentation and during the signup process, then it is your own damn fault. IMO the notifications vonage makes are in good faith, straightforward and do not misadvertize at all what needs to be done. In fact, once you actually set the number up you are told it's not immediate, that you need to wait for a confirmation email before it's setup. (My confirmation email came in 30 minutes) If you are too stupid to use VoIP, then stay with POTS. Christopher Fisk -- Leela: Now strip naked and get on the probulator. -- G. Waleed Kavalec --- Why are we all in this handbasket and where is it going so fast ?
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
At 02:09 PM 3/23/2005, j m g typed: So vonage should default to potentially incorrect information for emergency response - I don't see the point. This makes you safer? Yes, as something is better than nothing besides 911 people ask for your location when you make a call to them [unless they know it already] most of the time they know if you are in their jurisdiction or not. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
Is 911 a right or a privilege?
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
At 02:13 PM 3/23/2005, Christopher Fisk typed: This is a good idea, and will probably end up being done just because it makes sense, but does that mean this couple who didn't specify their 911 calling area should get $20,000 from Vonage? I guess I'm from the survival of the fittest mindset. If you are too stupid/lazy to setup something you are notified about in documentation and during the signup process, then it is your own damn fault. IMO the notifications vonage makes are in good faith, straightforward and do not misadvertize at all what needs to be done. In fact, once you actually set the number up you are told it's not immediate, that you need to wait for a confirmation email before it's setup. (My confirmation email came in 30 minutes) If you are too stupid to use VoIP, then stay with POTS. And you're going to tell 375lb Bubba this ? What are we suppose to do when Bubba thinks he's a genius ? The point is many people can't help that they are stupid some lazy people can't either. We have many senior citizens that never graduated elementary school you can't blame people for trying to save a buck especially if they don't have that much to spare. Maybe Vonage should screen their applicants better in which case that is still their fault. Remember Vonage doesn't have to take your money. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
When I signed up for cell phone service, they wanted both a billing address and a residence address. I don't see how asking for that information would be against the law. Gary VanderMolen - Original Message - It would be impossible. The requirement to force disclosure of location is against the law under telemarketing rules in 12 states. So they would have to customize their software to appreciate that based on the state it was in.. almost impossible to do, considering they wouldn't know until after the person entered that information. Because some states have their DNC lists and DNA lists oriented in such a way (example: Missouri) a requirement to ask for physical address in software you install is not feasible.. there are ways they can get around that (ie, enter before you download, etc.) but they can't force you to do it as part of a sell of service. CW
Re: [H] Converting AVI to DVD.
Wayne Johnson wrote: At 01:57 PM 3/23/2005, CW typed: I've taken tons of DiVX, AVI etc. converted straight to DVD with good fortune with NeroVisions3. No hitch at all; and beautiful for the HDTV captures :) If that doesn't work then you can try WinAVI which does a decent job. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com Regarding the conversions, check out the articles in www.videohelp.com -- - Carroll Kong
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
Local hospital is 22 miles away. Local Police Dept. is 14 miles away. But yes, they have the #s. I'm just saying, a requirement to place someone with 911 may place them with the wrong one (the nearest 911 to them is about an hour away, so what a mess that would be) CW -Original message- From: Wayne Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:10:05 -0600 To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911 At 02:01 PM 3/23/2005, CW typed: there are still areas of the US where 911 does not exist.. example: my parents live in such an area.. But because they don't I assume they know the local police, fire hosp numbers or at least program them into their phone(s). --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
At 02:21 PM 3/23/2005, G.Waleed Kavalec typed: Texas is suing, not the couple. Specifically Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott. He should lose, IMHO, but a 'default 911 area' should go in. If that happens then doesn't everybody win then the suit would have to be deemed effective? Much better than suing over a cup of hot coffee between her legs. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Wayne Johnson wrote: And you're going to tell 375lb Bubba this ? What are we suppose to do when Bubba thinks he's a genius ? The point is many people can't help that they are stupid some lazy people can't either. We have many senior citizens that never graduated elementary school you can't blame people for trying to save a buck especially if they don't have that much to spare. Maybe Vonage should screen their applicants better in which case that is still their fault. Remember Vonage doesn't have to take your money. OK, Fine, you win. it's vonages fault that this couple didn't setup thier 911 service. With that logic it's now Intel's fault when you forget to put your heatsink on your processor when you put it onto the motherboard. I mean yeah, they told you a heatsink was required, but they didn't provide the chip to you with the heatsink ALREADY ATTACHED. That hard drive i dropped and destroyed, that is seagates fault that they didn't have 4 inches of foam all the way around it for the trip from the box to my computer. Where does it end? Christopher Fisk IT'S POTATO, NOT POTATOE IT'S POTATO, NOT POTATOE Bart Simpson on chalkboard in episode 7F01
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
But they didn't offer you a service over someone else's means (internet or pre-existing connection). They were offering you a new service which isn't dependant on a third party.. Vonage is dependant on your broadband connection. Several states have rules in place designed to control what you are required to give out over other pay services (internet, phone) in that a telemarketer can ask you for information, but you aren't legally required to give it (and in some states, they can't ask or have access). If Vonage were to start you new service and they sold you the broadband service to begin with, they could ask you anything they want as a requirement of their business. However, that's not the case. There have been a few articles about this here in KC, because it was designed to prevent parasitic transactions.. but now with the rise of repeatable services. The idea was originally to prevent internet services from harvesting your addresses. It's kind of messy; If I'm running an online business where I take your CC, I have to take your address. Anyway, I just hear it since we've got so many people who do telemarketing and they bitch about it. It's because of required rules that seperate out CC Verification vs. other items, etc. etc. Anyway, I'm sure there are ways to get what they want.. :) -Original message- From: Gary VanderMolen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:28:48 -0600 To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911 When I signed up for cell phone service, they wanted both a billing address and a residence address. I don't see how asking for that information would be against the law. Gary VanderMolen - Original Message - It would be impossible. The requirement to force disclosure of location is against the law under telemarketing rules in 12 states. So they would have to customize their software to appreciate that based on the state it was in.. almost impossible to do, considering they wouldn't know until after the person entered that information. Because some states have their DNC lists and DNA lists oriented in such a way (example: Missouri) a requirement to ask for physical address in software you install is not feasible.. there are ways they can get around that (ie, enter before you download, etc.) but they can't force you to do it as part of a sell of service. CW
[H] Re: Converting AVI to DVD
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:57:21 GMT Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I have an AVI file, how do I convert it into something that will burn as a DVD? How about NeroVision Express?? Very simple!! T --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Anti-Virus] -- C L Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
Mess? Those 911 folks would know how to route the call. 911 is not necessarily allways called by coherent adults, in case you were unaware. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:31:59 -0600, CW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Local hospital is 22 miles away. Local Police Dept. is 14 miles away. But yes, they have the #s. I'm just saying, a requirement to place someone with 911 may place them with the wrong one (the nearest 911 to them is about an hour away, so what a mess that would be) CW -Original message- From: Wayne Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:10:05 -0600 To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911 At 02:01 PM 3/23/2005, CW typed: there are still areas of the US where 911 does not exist.. example: my parents live in such an area.. But because they don't I assume they know the local police, fire hosp numbers or at least program them into their phone(s). --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com -- G. Waleed Kavalec --- Why are we all in this handbasket and where is it going so fast ?
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
Trust me, there are things called a mess. Let's say my sister gets 9-11. So you have an emergency? Yes, we have XYZ emergency. OK, where do you live? Ok, we're about a mile and a half off of HWY57 Is there a street address? No, we don't have street addresses.. we are not far from Rural Water #1 Tower 2. OK. By the time people 45 miles away figure out where this is, it would have been 100% easier to call your local sherrifs office who is in the same county you're in, then to call an emergency dispatcher in another county who would have to relay the information. :) CW -Original message- From: G.Waleed Kavalec [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:41:17 -0600 To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911 Mess? Those 911 folks would know how to route the call. 911 is not necessarily allways called by coherent adults, in case you were unaware. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:31:59 -0600, CW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Local hospital is 22 miles away. Local Police Dept. is 14 miles away. But yes, they have the #s. I'm just saying, a requirement to place someone with 911 may place them with the wrong one (the nearest 911 to them is about an hour away, so what a mess that would be) CW
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
Christopher Fisk wrote: On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Wayne Johnson wrote: And you're going to tell 375lb Bubba this ? What are we suppose to do when Bubba thinks he's a genius ? The point is many people can't help that they are stupid some lazy people can't either. We have many senior citizens that never graduated elementary school you can't blame people for trying to save a buck especially if they don't have that much to spare. Maybe Vonage should screen their applicants better in which case that is still their fault. Remember Vonage doesn't have to take your money. OK, Fine, you win. it's vonages fault that this couple didn't setup thier 911 service. With that logic it's now Intel's fault when you forget to put your heatsink on your processor when you put it onto the motherboard. I mean yeah, they told you a heatsink was required, but they didn't provide the chip to you with the heatsink ALREADY ATTACHED. That hard drive i dropped and destroyed, that is seagates fault that they didn't have 4 inches of foam all the way around it for the trip from the box to my computer. Where does it end? Christopher Fisk You forgot that it is Comcast's fault when the broadband drops for a few hours and your Vontage phone fails. Every home user should be entitled to fault tolerant, BGP multi-homed fiber with at least 3 distinct runs at least 100 degrees out of phase leaving the home. Double that with guarantees of convergance time of less than 30 seconds and automatic QoS to always guarantee voice quality. Also, 24/7 network monitoring to ensure no one is DoSing your IP either must be provided with 99.999% uptime. Failure to provide this, means the system is a complete and total failure. Who will pay for all of this? Well, the tax payers of course! -- - Carroll Kong
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
At 02:35 PM 3/23/2005, Christopher Fisk typed: Where does it end? It seems to me that you have some things confused. One may be life or death while the other is not altho you may feel like dying if you forgot the heat sink that doesn't count. If life or death situations are no one else's concern then why do firemen rush into a burning building ? FWIW in every other situation I would agree. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
Re: [H] Time taken to convert an Avi?
I did not mean to imply that it wasn't, in fact for reliable MPGs I use TmpgEnc for creating my DVDs, however if I'm just watching a TV show or something then I'll go w/ winAVI where i'm not tooo concerned w/ quality. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:44:41 -0800, Winterlight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: are you using cinema craft as the mpeg encoder for the SVCD2DVD implementation or TMPGenc? TMPGenc 2.5X or TMPGenc 3.0 Express IS an encoder and in my opinion every bit as good as cinema craft ...even better. m On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:37:08 +1100, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wondering what how long it generally takes for others to convert avi's to SVCD? Currently I'm converting a BBC series Wild Weather into SVCD compliant PAL mpgs before converting them to DVD with SVCD2DVD. Each avi is approx 1hr long (720Mb) and they're taking me 2hrs each on a P4 2.8 with a gig of ram using TMPGEnc Express. Seems a long time for such a task. -- -Francisco http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More... -- -Francisco http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
CW wrote: Trust me, there are things called a mess. Let's say my sister gets 9-11. So you have an emergency? Yes, we have XYZ emergency. OK, where do you live? Ok, we're about a mile and a half off of HWY57 Is there a street address? No, we don't have street addresses.. we are not far from Rural Water #1 Tower 2. OK. By the time people 45 miles away figure out where this is, it would have been 100% easier to call your local sherrifs office who is in the same county you're in, then to call an emergency dispatcher in another county who would have to relay the information. :) CW I learned in elementary school to question what 911 really does. My teacher suggested to use the local police station numbers instead since it can be much faster and more reliable. Where were these people when I learned this in school? -- - Carroll Kong
Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
Let's try this one: My daddy fell off the ladder. I can't wake him up. Should this 6 year old be talking to the wrong 911 or to some recording telling him he doesn't have 911? On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:46:33 -0600, CW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trust me, there are things called a mess. Let's say my sister gets 9-11. So you have an emergency? Yes, we have XYZ emergency. OK, where do you live? Ok, we're about a mile and a half off of HWY57 Is there a street address? No, we don't have street addresses.. we are not far from Rural Water #1 Tower 2. OK. By the time people 45 miles away figure out where this is, it would have been 100% easier to call your local sherrifs office who is in the same county you're in, then to call an emergency dispatcher in another county who would have to relay the information. :) CW -Original message- From: G.Waleed Kavalec [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:41:17 -0600 To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911 Mess? Those 911 folks would know how to route the call. 911 is not necessarily allways called by coherent adults, in case you were unaware. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:31:59 -0600, CW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Local hospital is 22 miles away. Local Police Dept. is 14 miles away. But yes, they have the #s. I'm just saying, a requirement to place someone with 911 may place them with the wrong one (the nearest 911 to them is about an hour away, so what a mess that would be) CW -- G. Waleed Kavalec --- Why are we all in this handbasket and where is it going so fast ?
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Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Wayne Johnson wrote: At 02:35 PM 3/23/2005, Christopher Fisk typed: Where does it end? It seems to me that you have some things confused. One may be life or death while the other is not altho you may feel like dying if you forgot the heat sink that doesn't count. If life or death situations are no one else's concern then why do firemen rush into a burning building ? FWIW in every other situation I would agree. It's Fords fault you didn't wear a seatbelt. Christopher Fisk -- Wow, so this is a real TV station, huh. -Fry Well, it's a Fox affiliate. -TV worker guy What are you showing right now? -Fry 'Single Female Lawyer.' It's the season finale. Wanna watch? -TV worker I dunno. That's a chick show. I prefer programs of the genre, World's Blankiest Blank. -Fry She is wearing the world's shortiest skirt. -TV worker guy I'm in. -Fry
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At 02:41 PM 3/23/2005, G.Waleed Kavalec typed: 911 is not necessarily allways called by coherent adults, in case you were unaware. Great point. How's the kid suppose to know if mommy /or daddy didn't sign up for 911 service ? IMHO if 911 service is available in their location then it should be required to be carried by the various phone companies. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
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At 02:49 PM 3/23/2005, Carroll Kong typed: My teacher suggested to use the local police station numbers instead since it can be much faster and more reliable. you expect a 6yr old to remember in a panic situation any thing besides 911 ? IMHO that teacher ought to be fired unless they were teaching to use the local numbers unless it was an emergency. FWIW some very intelligent people lose their ability to reason when placed in an emergency situation. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
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I'm not arguing that vonage should/shouldn't have 911 calls patched. I'm saying that since their phones/services can be used anywhere the customer should have the onus to set the freakin thing up correctly. If the power's out and your broadband connection is dead who are you going to blame? Comcast, Linksys, Utility Co? The customer chose which tech/service to purchase, no one is forced to go VOIP. Hmm, I bought a car that was cheaper, intentionally foregoing safety devices, I'll just sue when I get hurt in an accident. NOT. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:55:34 -0500, Wayne Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 02:41 PM 3/23/2005, G.Waleed Kavalec typed: 911 is not necessarily allways called by coherent adults, in case you were unaware. Great point. How's the kid suppose to know if mommy /or daddy didn't sign up for 911 service ? IMHO if 911 service is available in their location then it should be required to be carried by the various phone companies. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com -- -jmg Chaos often breeds life, when order breeds habit. Henry Brooks Adams [1838-1918]
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Wayne Johnson wrote: At 02:49 PM 3/23/2005, Carroll Kong typed: My teacher suggested to use the local police station numbers instead since it can be much faster and more reliable. you expect a 6yr old to remember in a panic situation any thing besides 911 ? IMHO that teacher ought to be fired unless they were teaching to use the local numbers unless it was an emergency. FWIW some very intelligent people lose their ability to reason when placed in an emergency situation. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com No, but how about *1? -- - Carroll Kong
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Wayne Johnson wrote: FWIW in every other situation I would agree. At 02:49 PM 3/23/2005, Christopher Fisk typed: It's Fords fault you didn't wear a seatbelt. To a point it is. Why do they put those annoying buzzers in that go off every couple of minutes if they didn't feel some responsibility ? Why are they required to have air bags if life isn't worth protecting by 3rd parties ? --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
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What about the GPS thing I mentioned? 1) locates the user in an instant, can route the 911 call approriately. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:07:17 -0500, Wayne Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Wayne Johnson wrote: FWIW in every other situation I would agree. At 02:49 PM 3/23/2005, Christopher Fisk typed: It's Fords fault you didn't wear a seatbelt. To a point it is. Why do they put those annoying buzzers in that go off every couple of minutes if they didn't feel some responsibility ? Why are they required to have air bags if life isn't worth protecting by 3rd parties ? --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com -- -Francisco http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...
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I think that Texas winning the lawsuit would invoke Vonage to do something about it, such as spending the money to incorporate a GPS unit within the phone that is auto-activated during 911 calls. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:09:18 -0600, G.Waleed Kavalec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many times do I have to repeat: 1. IMHO the Texas AG should LOSE the lawsuit. 2. IMHO Vonage should require a default 911 area. It's a learning process. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:00:13 -0500 (EST), Christopher Fisk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, G.Waleed Kavalec wrote: Let's try this one: My daddy fell off the ladder. I can't wake him up. Should this 6 year old be talking to the wrong 911 or to some recording telling him he doesn't have 911? He should be talking to the right 911 because that daddy followed instructions for setting up his vonage before falling off that ladder. This is an arguement that won't change. The final answer you'll get from me is One way or another, it's the vonage USER's fault. Seems that on your side you think it's Vonages fault. Christopher Fisk -- IT'S POTATO, NOT POTATOE IT'S POTATO, NOT POTATOE Bart Simpson on chalkboard in episode 7F01 -- G. Waleed Kavalec --- Why are we all in this handbasket and where is it going so fast ? -- -Francisco http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...
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Francisco Tapia wrote: What about the GPS thing I mentioned? 1) locates the user in an instant, can route the 911 call approriately. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:07:17 -0500, Wayne Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Wayne Johnson wrote: FWIW in every other situation I would agree. At 02:49 PM 3/23/2005, Christopher Fisk typed: It's Fords fault you didn't wear a seatbelt. To a point it is. Why do they put those annoying buzzers in that go off every couple of minutes if they didn't feel some responsibility ? Why are they required to have air bags if life isn't worth protecting by 3rd parties ? --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com With all the privacy issues going on... that just seems like an unfortunate step closer to Big Brother. I would strongly prefer that to be an opt-in program, not a DEFAULT program. I also would not like to see such a mechanism built into place so jerks can compile some real-time database for stalkers, hackers, and thieves. -- - Carroll Kong
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Francisco Tapia wrote: I think that Texas winning the lawsuit would invoke Vonage to do something about it, such as spending the money to incorporate a GPS unit within the phone that is auto-activated during 911 calls. Oh, if it only activates during 911, then sounds like a good idea. -- - Carroll Kong
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At 03:04 PM 3/23/2005, Christopher Fisk typed: I believe my response to Wayne answers this. Is it the car makers fault that you don't buckle that seatbelt in a car accident? Think about the cars that have the auto shoulder belt. They say they are a liability if you don't also belt the manual lap belt. Having a wrong 911 number is quite similar. False sense of security. I don't know about false but they may not be as secure if they also don't use the lap belt. Isn't some security better than none? I'm not say the car makers are at fault but they are required to be held to a higher standard than Joe Blow down the street is. I believe that Vonage is in the same situation that they failed to meet that level of expectation but that's JMHO FWIW. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
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At 03:15 PM 3/23/2005, Carroll Kong typed: Oh, if it only activates during 911, then sounds like a good idea. My cell phone has GPS I can set it to work only with 911 calls or not so why can't Vonage do something similar ? --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
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I agree with this concept. The lawsuit is a joke; good corporate thought would have this as something they could opt out of or do. -Original message- From: G.Waleed Kavalec [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:09:18 -0600 To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911 How many times do I have to repeat: 1. IMHO the Texas AG should LOSE the lawsuit. 2. IMHO Vonage should require a default 911 area. It's a learning process.
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Only drawback is that it would double the price of the Vonage adapter. For mobile cellphones GPS makes sense, but not many people will be carrying their Vonage adapter around with them. Gary VanderMolen - Original Message - What about the GPS thing I mentioned? 1) locates the user in an instant, can route the 911 call approriately.
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Gary VanderMolen wrote: That's a good compromise, but how can a judge force Vonage to implement a default 911 if the plaintiff loses the suit? Best scenario is for Vonage to lose the suit, be fined $1.00 and ordered to implement a default 911 routing. That would be a win-win. Losing the lawsuit sets the blame on Vonage, and will open them up to many many many more lawsuits (As well as setting case law that will affect the entire telecom industry). The worst I would like to see here is a settlement where vonage denies all blame, but agrees to implement the required 911 signup. This would be a landmark case that sets precident if Vonage were to lose. It wouldn't just affect Vonage. Christopher Fisk -- BOFH Excuse #16: somebody was calculating pi on the server
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Unfortunately it is not always the person making the omission who suffers. How will you explain to a 14-year-old girl, babysitting at someone else's house, why 911 failed to work while some pervert was breaking down the back door? Gary VanderMolen - Original Message - *shrug* as someone said, then it's up to the parent to set up Vonage correctly beforehand. As someone here asked, is 911 a privelege or a right in my book, it's 100% a privelege. As long as Vonage warns you up front that you have a requirement to set it up, then the ball is in your court. And if you elect to not set it up, fine. They aren't your babysitter, you're the one who had to take the actions. Automobile makers provide seat belts, if you choose not to use them, your bad. If you ride around on a motorcycle without a helmet, fine, you take the risk.
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Unfortunately it is not always the person making the omission who suffers. How will you explain to a 14-year-old girl, babysitting at someone else's house, why 911 failed to work while some pervert was breaking down the back door? I will point at the homeowner and say They didn't spend the 5 minutes it would have taken to activate 911 service on the phone. Would you like to say anything to them about how thier stupid lazyness has changed your life? And that will fix things if she was raped or murdered??? Gary VanderMolen
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Would make it easier for the girl to sue the homeowner if that happened. BTW, if someone breaks into the house and does the raping murdering, I think the primary person to blame isn't vonage or the lack of 911, rather, it's probably the murderer. Even if she could get on the horn with 9-11, do you think they could respond faster then he could put a couple bullets in her or rape her? Nope. They don't have any faster-then-light system. If someone breaks into the back door, you're an idiot to run for the damn phone.. it kinda makes you stationary and your talking makes you easy to find. You're better off running out of the building. Don't you think instinct alone would make you want to run away rather then pick up the phone and talk? CW -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary VanderMolen Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 3:04 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911 Unfortunately it is not always the person making the omission who suffers. How will you explain to a 14-year-old girl, babysitting at someone else's house, why 911 failed to work while some pervert was breaking down the back door? I will point at the homeowner and say They didn't spend the 5 minutes it would have taken to activate 911 service on the phone. Would you like to say anything to them about how thier stupid lazyness has changed your life? And that will fix things if she was raped or murdered??? Gary VanderMolen
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This is very true, however for people who move it makes it so that they do not have to re-set their location. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:29:14 -0800, Gary VanderMolen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only drawback is that it would double the price of the Vonage adapter. For mobile cellphones GPS makes sense, but not many people will be carrying their Vonage adapter around with them. Gary VanderMolen - Original Message - What about the GPS thing I mentioned? 1) locates the user in an instant, can route the 911 call approriately. -- -Francisco http://pcthis.blogspot.com | PC news with out the jargon! http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...
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Not all existing cell phones have GPS and GPS might not work from the location where the modem is setup. Cell phone are not a convenience for over 10 years now here in the US. There is no perfect solution, too many laws jurisdictions, too many idiots. Don't change from the established, proven, legal, idiot resistant land line service to the latest thing if you don't understand it's limitations. Oh, and not all 911 call centers are staffed by bright trained police officers, some are civilians working for an municipality/region and can have problems working outside the box. Nuff said, talk amongst yourselves. Francisco Tapia wrote: This is very true, however for people who move it makes it so that they do not have to re-set their location. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:29:14 -0800, Gary VanderMolen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only drawback is that it would double the price of the Vonage adapter. For mobile cellphones GPS makes sense, but not many people will be carrying their Vonage adapter around with them. Gary VanderMolen - Original Message - What about the GPS thing I mentioned? 1) locates the user in an instant, can route the 911 call approriately.
