Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-30 Thread JRS
On another note, Intel has re-released the SSD Toolbox, so you can use your G2 
drive on XP systems
that do not have the Trim command.  

You just run the optimize tool every week or so.  

Dunno if it's needed that often, but that's what they recommend.

I ran it on my 80 gig laptop drive yesterday, it took less than 10 seconds to 
run.  :-)



 

 The X25-E has a substantially higher sequential write rate, yes, but that
 doesn't really translate very well to real-world speeds for end-user
 scenarios. The G2 isn't in that chart, either. For the record, the G2 MLC
 drive delivers better 4k random write IOPS than the SLC X25-E--which is far
 more important than sequential performance.
 
 
 TRIM still provides benefit for SLC drives, but it is indeed less of an
 impact. However, the reason why the X25-E doesn't have it has nothing to do
 with need, and everything to do with the fact that the X25-E has not been
 moved to their new 34nm flash and updated controller. Intel has chosen to
 abandon early adopters and only provide TRIM support for those of us on
 their 34nm platform (G2). SLC can indeed nominally sustain 10 times more
 write cycles, but frankly, it's pretty irrelevant for end-user usage. If you
 were running SQL Server and a moderately heavy transactional application
 hitting it, sure, but for end-user use? Not worth the expense IMO. By the
 time it does wear out (and it has a 3-year warranty from Intel, btw), you'll
 want to move to something far better anyway.
 
 
 On a side note, I generally love Tech Report, but I've found any review
 where they've analyzed SSDs to be...sub-par.



Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-29 Thread Bino Gopal
To Anthony's comment, I was pretty set on getting a 80 or 160GB Intel G2 of
the X-25M version (which is 2.5 MLC).

http://techreport.com/articles.x/17269

But as I read more reviews, I saw the write speeds on the X-25E (which is
2.5 SLC) are significantly higher, though the cost is of course
correspondingly higher too...

http://techreport.com/articles.x/15931


What're people's opinions on whether the X-25E is worth the premium over the
X-25M?  SLC is supposed to last longer...I don't see anything about TRIM
support for the E line though; is that b/c it doesn't need it?

BINO

P.S. This article is an interesting read too:

http://techreport.com/articles.x/17183 (Techreport's storage restrospective
complete with graphs!)



-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 11:08 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.

So, in the Intel G2 SSD the one to get? There's a reasonable chance that 
I'll get one soon for a another new build (for home). Did you get yours 
at newegg?

Greg Sevart wrote:
 Standard SATA power and data connections. Mounting is easy. Since they
have
 no moving parts, are fairly immune to shock and vibration, and are
 exceptionally light, a lot of people are just taping them to the sides or
 bottom of the case. Most of them use the 2.5 form factor and are either
9.5
 or 7mm tall. In my case, I bought a cheap 2x 2.5 to 1x 3.5 adapter and
put
 both of my Intel G2 SSDs in the spot for a single 3.5 drive.

 -Original Message-
 From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
 [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight
 Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 8:35 PM
 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.


 do you just plug them in like any drive? do you need anything special 
 to mount them?

 At 06:04 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote:
   
 Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read:
one
 not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a
 magnetic drive is excruciating.

 They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it
 
 feels
   
 like that's just the way a computer should have been all along.

 -Original Message-
 From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
 [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc
 Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:20 PM
 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.

 OK, time for an end-of-the-year stupid question!
 Is this SSD business the non-mechanical replacement for our current
 SATA HD wars/questions/bench races/?

 Like a flash drive on steroids?
 Wondering?
 Best of the Season,
 Duncan
 




   



Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-29 Thread Greg Sevart
 -Original Message-
 From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
 boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Bino Gopal
 Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 5:54 PM
 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.
 
 To Anthony's comment, I was pretty set on getting a 80 or 160GB Intel
 G2 of
 the X-25M version (which is 2.5 MLC).
 
 http://techreport.com/articles.x/17269
 
 But as I read more reviews, I saw the write speeds on the X-25E (which
 is
 2.5 SLC) are significantly higher, though the cost is of course
 correspondingly higher too...
 
 http://techreport.com/articles.x/15931

The X25-E has a substantially higher sequential write rate, yes, but that
doesn't really translate very well to real-world speeds for end-user
scenarios. The G2 isn't in that chart, either. For the record, the G2 MLC
drive delivers better 4k random write IOPS than the SLC X25-E--which is far
more important than sequential performance.


 
 
 What're people's opinions on whether the X-25E is worth the premium
 over the
 X-25M?  SLC is supposed to last longer...I don't see anything about
 TRIM
 support for the E line though; is that b/c it doesn't need it?
 

TRIM still provides benefit for SLC drives, but it is indeed less of an
impact. However, the reason why the X25-E doesn't have it has nothing to do
with need, and everything to do with the fact that the X25-E has not been
moved to their new 34nm flash and updated controller. Intel has chosen to
abandon early adopters and only provide TRIM support for those of us on
their 34nm platform (G2). SLC can indeed nominally sustain 10 times more
write cycles, but frankly, it's pretty irrelevant for end-user usage. If you
were running SQL Server and a moderately heavy transactional application
hitting it, sure, but for end-user use? Not worth the expense IMO. By the
time it does wear out (and it has a 3-year warranty from Intel, btw), you'll
want to move to something far better anyway.


On a side note, I generally love Tech Report, but I've found any review
where they've analyzed SSDs to be...sub-par.




Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-28 Thread Anthony Q. Martin
The problem with waiting...is that I really will be waiting..on a slow 
HD and win7!


Too late. My SSD should come today!

Now the fun begins.

Questions: How best to move my C drive (boot + programs) to the SSD?  
What software tool does the image best? Running Win7 RC. Will upgrade to 
Win764ibt Ultimate soon.  I'd actually like to just upgrade over the RC. 
Is that possible?


Also, can one just move the USERS folder to the D drive and have Win7 
track that move and account for it?  There is a LOT of data in that 
folder that I would not have on an SSD.


Thanks.

Brian Weeden wrote:

They will be -  IF you can wait.

---
Brian

Sent from my iPhone

On 2009-12-20, at 5:07 AM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net 
wrote:


I'm getting one to replace the hd in my dell Lattitude LT...and also 
for the boot drive in my desktop.


On the laptop, I send a lot of time waiting for the damn thing to 
boot up. It takes so damn long that frequently I don't want to boot it.


On the desktop, Win7 seems to have these long pauses while doing who 
knows what on the HD.


Seems like SSD will be the most impactful upgrade for of all 
timejust wish the prices were lower and the capacities higher.


John R Steinbruner wrote:

+1

Yeah that.  :)

I've told 3-4 people just this week that it now feels like how the 
computer should have responded all along.


You know how on a good system you can open MS Word in say, 3-4 
seconds, then if you close it, then immediately open it again whilst 
the software is still cached, and it opens in like 1 second the 
second time?


Well, that's how the SSD system feels all the time..

Phenomenal...




On Dec 18, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Greg Sevart wrote:


Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one 
(read: one
not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine 
with a

magnetic drive is excruciating.

They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, 
it feels

like that's just the way a computer should have been all along.













Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-28 Thread Garind P

Have fun and enjoy your new SSD

I don't think you can upgrade your RC to the Original.  I've tried 
from RC to RTM and it's fail.


But, maybe I'm wrong.

At 09:31 PM 12/28/2009, you wrote:
The problem with waiting...is that I really will be waiting..on a 
slow HD and win7!


Too late. My SSD should come today!

Now the fun begins.

Questions: How best to move my C drive (boot + programs) to the SSD?
What software tool does the image best? Running Win7 RC. Will 
upgrade to Win764ibt Ultimate soon.  I'd actually like to just 
upgrade over the RC. Is that possible?


Also, can one just move the USERS folder to the D drive and have 
Win7 track that move and account for it?  There is a LOT of data in 
that folder that I would not have on an SSD.


Thanks.





Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-28 Thread Bryan Seitz
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 09:31:36AM -0500, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
 The problem with waiting...is that I really will be waiting..on a slow 
 HD and win7!
 
 Too late. My SSD should come today!
 
 Now the fun begins.
 
 Questions: How best to move my C drive (boot + programs) to the SSD?  
 What software tool does the image best? Running Win7 RC. Will upgrade to 
 Win764ibt Ultimate soon.  I'd actually like to just upgrade over the RC. 
 Is that possible?

Fresh install on the new SSD.  I know this is mainly a windows group, so
the following should be common sense by now:

a) Never upgrade windwows, ever, ever, ever.
b) A fresh install will always be faster and cleaner

Once you do a fresh install of the OS and our programs, do an image and keep it 
on the 
network for easy restores later on.

-- 
 
Bryan G. Seitz


Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-28 Thread Anthony Q. Martin



Bryan Seitz wrote:

On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 09:31:36AM -0500, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
  
The problem with waiting...is that I really will be waiting..on a slow 
HD and win7!


Too late. My SSD should come today!

Now the fun begins.

Questions: How best to move my C drive (boot + programs) to the SSD?  
What software tool does the image best? Running Win7 RC. Will upgrade to 
Win764ibt Ultimate soon.  I'd actually like to just upgrade over the RC. 
Is that possible?



Fresh install on the new SSD.  I know this is mainly a windows group, so
the following should be common sense by now:

a) Never upgrade windwows, ever, ever, ever.
  


Well


b) A fresh install will always be faster and cleaner
  


It certainly will be cleanerbut it won't always be faster, since 
there is a lot of bits and pieces you need to carry over to ensure you 
don't lose anything.


The only reason I'd consider not doing a fresh install is because this 
is a relatively young install anyhow, and I don't load back all my stuff 
(software) since I knew I would be going this again...


Once you do a fresh install of the OS and our programs, do an image and keep it on the 
network for easy restores later on.


  


Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-28 Thread Anthony Q. Martin
If it can't be done then that will make matters more straight 
forward...in a sense.


Garind P wrote:

Have fun and enjoy your new SSD

I don't think you can upgrade your RC to the Original.  I've tried 
from RC to RTM and it's fail.


But, maybe I'm wrong.

At 09:31 PM 12/28/2009, you wrote:
The problem with waiting...is that I really will be waiting..on a 
slow HD and win7!


Too late. My SSD should come today!

Now the fun begins.

Questions: How best to move my C drive (boot + programs) to the SSD?
What software tool does the image best? Running Win7 RC. Will upgrade 
to Win764ibt Ultimate soon.  I'd actually like to just upgrade over 
the RC. Is that possible?


Also, can one just move the USERS folder to the D drive and have Win7 
track that move and account for it?  There is a LOT of data in that 
folder that I would not have on an SSD.


Thanks.






Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-28 Thread Anthony Q. Martin

Cool!  Thanks.

JRS wrote:

I used this freeware sector by sector copy program...

http://www.easeus.com/disk-copy/

I found out the hard way when I tried to copy mine that the Symantec Ghost I 
had would not work, nor would the various versions I had on some Bart and Win 
PE disks and such..   For some reason the source drive (my VelociRaptor) was 
grayed out and could not be selected.

This easeUS freebie worked great, even when I was using an external USB drive to copy too.  
It's a small 35 meg ISO that builds a boot CD, and has a nice easy GUI to use...




 -- 
JRS 
stei...@pacbell.net



Facts do not cease to exist just
because they are ignored.



- Original Message 
  

From: Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Sent: Mon, December 28, 2009 6:31:36 AM
Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.

The problem with waiting...is that I really will be waiting..on a slow HD and 
win7!


Too late. My SSD should come today!

Now the fun begins.

Questions: How best to move my C drive (boot + programs) to the SSD?  What 
software tool does the image best? Running Win7 RC. Will upgrade to Win764ibt 
Ultimate soon.  I'd actually like to just upgrade over the RC. Is that possible?


Also, can one just move the USERS folder to the D drive and have Win7 track that 
move and account for it?  There is a LOT of data in that folder that I would not 
have on an SSD.


Thanks.

Brian Weeden wrote:


They will be -  IF you can wait.

---
Brian

Sent from my iPhone

On 2009-12-20, at 5:07 AM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:

  
I'm getting one to replace the hd in my dell Lattitude LT...and also for the 


boot drive in my desktop.

On the laptop, I send a lot of time waiting for the damn thing to boot up. It 


takes so damn long that frequently I don't want to boot it.

On the desktop, Win7 seems to have these long pauses while doing who knows 


what on the HD.

Seems like SSD will be the most impactful upgrade for of all timejust 


wish the prices were lower and the capacities higher.


John R Steinbruner wrote:


+1

Yeah that.  :)

I've told 3-4 people just this week that it now feels like how the computer 
  

should have responded all along.

You know how on a good system you can open MS Word in say, 3-4 seconds, then 
  
if you close it, then immediately open it again whilst the software is still 
cached, and it opens in like 1 second the second time?


Well, that's how the SSD system feels all the time..

Phenomenal...




On Dec 18, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Greg Sevart wrote:


  

Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: one
not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a
magnetic drive is excruciating.

They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it 


feels


like that's just the way a computer should have been all along.








  



  


Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-28 Thread Bryan Seitz
Might not be a great idea from magnetic to SSD, but not sure.

On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 08:00:02AM -0800, JRS wrote:
 I used this freeware sector by sector copy program...
 
 http://www.easeus.com/disk-copy/
 
 I found out the hard way when I tried to copy mine that the Symantec Ghost I 
 had would not work, nor would the various versions I had on some Bart and Win 
 PE disks and such..   For some reason the source drive (my VelociRaptor) was 
 grayed out and could not be selected.
 
 This easeUS freebie worked great, even when I was using an external USB drive 
 to copy too.  
 It's a small 35 meg ISO that builds a boot CD, and has a nice easy GUI to 
 use...
 
 
 
  -- 
 JRS 
 stei...@pacbell.net
 
 
 Facts do not cease to exist just
 because they are ignored.
 
 
 
 - Original Message 
  From: Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net
  To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
  Sent: Mon, December 28, 2009 6:31:36 AM
  Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.
  
  The problem with waiting...is that I really will be waiting..on a slow HD 
  and 
  win7!
  
  Too late. My SSD should come today!
  
  Now the fun begins.
  
  Questions: How best to move my C drive (boot + programs) to the SSD?  What 
  software tool does the image best? Running Win7 RC. Will upgrade to 
  Win764ibt 
  Ultimate soon.  I'd actually like to just upgrade over the RC. Is that 
  possible?
  
  Also, can one just move the USERS folder to the D drive and have Win7 track 
  that 
  move and account for it?  There is a LOT of data in that folder that I 
  would not 
  have on an SSD.
  
  Thanks.
  
  Brian Weeden wrote:
   They will be -  IF you can wait.
   
   ---
   Brian
   
   Sent from my iPhone
   
   On 2009-12-20, at 5:07 AM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
   
   I'm getting one to replace the hd in my dell Lattitude LT...and also for 
   the 
  boot drive in my desktop.
   
   On the laptop, I send a lot of time waiting for the damn thing to boot 
   up. It 
  takes so damn long that frequently I don't want to boot it.
   
   On the desktop, Win7 seems to have these long pauses while doing who 
   knows 
  what on the HD.
   
   Seems like SSD will be the most impactful upgrade for of all 
   timejust 
  wish the prices were lower and the capacities higher.
   
   John R Steinbruner wrote:
   +1
   
   Yeah that.  :)
   
   I've told 3-4 people just this week that it now feels like how the 
   computer 
  should have responded all along.
   
   You know how on a good system you can open MS Word in say, 3-4 seconds, 
   then 
  if you close it, then immediately open it again whilst the software is 
  still 
  cached, and it opens in like 1 second the second time?
   
   Well, that's how the SSD system feels all the time..
   
   Phenomenal...
   
   
   
   
   On Dec 18, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Greg Sevart wrote:
   
   
   Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: 
   one
   not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a
   magnetic drive is excruciating.
   
   They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it 
  feels
   like that's just the way a computer should have been all along.
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   

-- 
 
Bryan G. Seitz


Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-28 Thread JRS
Well, the program still goes thru the HD's controller, so hopefully should be 
fine...

Mine came out great, it was a dual boot system before and the new drive came 
out just the same, with everything working as it should, just a
lot faster..  :)



 -- 
JRS 
stei...@pacbell.net


Facts do not cease to exist just
because they are ignored.



- Original Message 
 From: Bryan Seitz se...@bsd-unix.net
 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Sent: Mon, December 28, 2009 8:15:37 AM
 Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.
 
 Might not be a great idea from magnetic to SSD, but not sure.
 
 On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 08:00:02AM -0800, JRS wrote:
  I used this freeware sector by sector copy program...
  
  http://www.easeus.com/disk-copy/
  
  I found out the hard way when I tried to copy mine that the Symantec Ghost 
  I 
 had would not work, nor would the various versions I had on some Bart and Win 
 PE 
 disks and such..   For some reason the source drive (my VelociRaptor) was 
 grayed 
 out and could not be selected.
  
  This easeUS freebie worked great, even when I was using an external USB 
  drive 
 to copy too.  
  It's a small 35 meg ISO that builds a boot CD, and has a nice easy GUI to 
 use...
  
  
  
 



Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-28 Thread Greg Sevart
It'd waste a lot of time copying empty sectors, but there should be no harm
in doing so. One benefit is that it will maintain partition alignment, which
AFAIK Ghost doesn't do, and Acronis requires special steps (use volume mode
in two steps instead of disk mode)--unless you also put these into
sector-by-sector mode. Alignment isn't important on single or mirrored
magnetic drives, but is fairly important when working with any striped RAID
or SSD. Supposedly Acronis is working on changing the out-of-date 63-sector
offset default, but who knows when that'll be implemented.

You can install RTM over the RC, but you have to modify a file and re-burn
the disc (or use a USB drive) to do so.
http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/04/07/delivering-a-quality-upgrade-exp
erience.aspx



-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of JRS
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 10:47 AM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.

Well, the program still goes thru the HD's controller, so hopefully should
be fine...

Mine came out great, it was a dual boot system before and the new drive came
out just the same, with everything working as it should, just a
lot faster..  :)



 -- 
JRS 
stei...@pacbell.net


Facts do not cease to exist just
because they are ignored.



- Original Message 
 From: Bryan Seitz se...@bsd-unix.net
 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Sent: Mon, December 28, 2009 8:15:37 AM
 Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.
 
 Might not be a great idea from magnetic to SSD, but not sure.
 
 On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 08:00:02AM -0800, JRS wrote:
  I used this freeware sector by sector copy program...
  
  http://www.easeus.com/disk-copy/
  
  I found out the hard way when I tried to copy mine that the Symantec
Ghost I 
 had would not work, nor would the various versions I had on some Bart and
Win PE 
 disks and such..   For some reason the source drive (my VelociRaptor) was
grayed 
 out and could not be selected.
  
  This easeUS freebie worked great, even when I was using an external USB
drive 
 to copy too.  
  It's a small 35 meg ISO that builds a boot CD, and has a nice easy GUI
to 
 use...
  
  
  
 





Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-28 Thread Anthony Q. Martin

This SSD is slick! Tiny thing, too.

I just hate to take my system down to install it.

Do you guys use and trust Windows Easy Transfer?

Greg Sevart wrote:

It'd waste a lot of time copying empty sectors, but there should be no harm
in doing so. One benefit is that it will maintain partition alignment, which
AFAIK Ghost doesn't do, and Acronis requires special steps (use volume mode
in two steps instead of disk mode)--unless you also put these into
sector-by-sector mode. Alignment isn't important on single or mirrored
magnetic drives, but is fairly important when working with any striped RAID
or SSD. Supposedly Acronis is working on changing the out-of-date 63-sector
offset default, but who knows when that'll be implemented.

You can install RTM over the RC, but you have to modify a file and re-burn
the disc (or use a USB drive) to do so.
http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/04/07/delivering-a-quality-upgrade-exp
erience.aspx



-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of JRS
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 10:47 AM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.

Well, the program still goes thru the HD's controller, so hopefully should
be fine...

Mine came out great, it was a dual boot system before and the new drive came
out just the same, with everything working as it should, just a
lot faster..  :)



 -- 
JRS 
stei...@pacbell.net



Facts do not cease to exist just
because they are ignored.



- Original Message 
  

From: Bryan Seitz se...@bsd-unix.net
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Sent: Mon, December 28, 2009 8:15:37 AM
Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.

Might not be a great idea from magnetic to SSD, but not sure.

On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 08:00:02AM -0800, JRS wrote:


I used this freeware sector by sector copy program...

http://www.easeus.com/disk-copy/

I found out the hard way when I tried to copy mine that the Symantec
  
Ghost I 
  

had would not work, nor would the various versions I had on some Bart and

Win PE 
  

disks and such..   For some reason the source drive (my VelociRaptor) was

grayed 
  

out and could not be selected.


This easeUS freebie worked great, even when I was using an external USB
  
drive 
  
to copy too.  


It's a small 35 meg ISO that builds a boot CD, and has a nice easy GUI
  
to 
  

use...



  





  


Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-20 Thread Anthony Q. Martin
I'm getting one to replace the hd in my dell Lattitude LT...and also for 
the boot drive in my desktop.


On the laptop, I send a lot of time waiting for the damn thing to boot 
up. It takes so damn long that frequently I don't want to boot it.


On the desktop, Win7 seems to have these long pauses while doing who 
knows what on the HD.


Seems like SSD will be the most impactful upgrade for of all 
timejust wish the prices were lower and the capacities higher.


John R Steinbruner wrote:

+1

Yeah that.  :)

I've told 3-4 people just this week that it now feels like how the computer should 
have responded all along.

You know how on a good system you can open MS Word in say, 3-4 seconds, then if you close it, then immediately 
open it again whilst the software is still cached, and it opens in like 1 second the second time?


Well, that's how the SSD system feels all the time..

Phenomenal...




On Dec 18, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Greg Sevart wrote:

  

Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: one
not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a
magnetic drive is excruciating.

They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it feels
like that's just the way a computer should have been all along.








  


Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-20 Thread Brian Weeden

They will be -  IF you can wait.

---
Brian

Sent from my iPhone

On 2009-12-20, at 5:07 AM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net  
wrote:


I'm getting one to replace the hd in my dell Lattitude LT...and also  
for the boot drive in my desktop.


On the laptop, I send a lot of time waiting for the damn thing to  
boot up. It takes so damn long that frequently I don't want to boot  
it.


On the desktop, Win7 seems to have these long pauses while doing who  
knows what on the HD.


Seems like SSD will be the most impactful upgrade for of all  
timejust wish the prices were lower and the capacities higher.


John R Steinbruner wrote:

+1

Yeah that.  :)

I've told 3-4 people just this week that it now feels like how the  
computer should have responded all along.


You know how on a good system you can open MS Word in say, 3-4  
seconds, then if you close it, then immediately open it again  
whilst the software is still cached, and it opens in like 1 second  
the second time?


Well, that's how the SSD system feels all the time..

Phenomenal...




On Dec 18, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Greg Sevart wrote:


Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one  
(read: one
not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine  
with a

magnetic drive is excruciating.

They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same  
time, it feels

like that's just the way a computer should have been all along.











Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-19 Thread James Boswell
the newest and shiniest SSD's support TRIM, which negates the need to perform 
the resets.


On 19 Dec 2009, at 07:39, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:

 I found this comment on Newegg:
 
 
 
   *Cons:* The only thing I can say that will be annoying is that when
   or if i should ever start seeing performance issues, you are suppose
   to wipe each of your SSD cards with a software called HDDErase 4.x.
   But to do this, I'll have to unplug each of my SSD cards from my
   Raid Controller, connect to my motherboard SATA ports and set the
   BIOS of my motherboard to SATA-TYPE: IDE. Then run the HDDErase to
   clean them. This is suppose to reset the SSD drives to the factory
   defaults. When done reconnect your SSD drives back to your
   raid-controller and restore an image back onto your HDD.
   *Other Thoughts:* Although this will be annoying having to reset
   your SSDs every 3-6 months depending on your usage, we all have to
   remember this is new technology, and software within the next year
   should solve these issues eventually. And if that software never
   comes... ooh well. The speed is totally worth it for me!!!
 
 
 
 Sounds different, for sure. Can you confirm the need to reset the SSD?
 
 Greg Sevart wrote:
 Standard SATA power and data connections. Mounting is easy. Since they have
 no moving parts, are fairly immune to shock and vibration, and are
 exceptionally light, a lot of people are just taping them to the sides or
 bottom of the case. Most of them use the 2.5 form factor and are either 9.5
 or 7mm tall. In my case, I bought a cheap 2x 2.5 to 1x 3.5 adapter and put
 both of my Intel G2 SSDs in the spot for a single 3.5 drive.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
 [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight
 Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 8:35 PM
 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.
 
 
 do you just plug them in like any drive? do you need anything special to 
 mount them?
 
 At 06:04 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote:
  
 Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: one
 not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a
 magnetic drive is excruciating.
 
 They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it

 feels
  
 like that's just the way a computer should have been all along.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
 [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc
 Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:20 PM
 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.
 
 OK, time for an end-of-the-year stupid question!
 Is this SSD business the non-mechanical replacement for our current
 SATA HD wars/questions/bench races/?
 
 Like a flash drive on steroids?
 Wondering?
 Best of the Season,
 Duncan

 
 
 
 
  



Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-19 Thread Greg Sevart
Way overblown. Earlier SSDs and/or firmware did indeed have some performance
degradation over time, but this needs to be put in some perspective:

1. You generally needed to run synthetic benchmarks over and over again,
focusing on random write, to create the situation.
2. Even if you somehow got a drive into a degraded state, it's still MANY
TIMES faster than the best magnetic drives
3. Beginning with the first firmware release for the Intel G1 drive, and the
1.41 GC firmware for the OCZ Vertex drives, they are able to clean
themselves up very effectively to restore any lost performance even without
TRIM
4. Windows 7 with TRIM effectively eliminates the possibility for the
condition (enabled by the 1.40 Vertex firmware or the latest Intel firmware)
- there are presently still some strict requirements for TRIM support
because it is still so new, but the simple fact of the matter is that poor
used performance has been mostly mitigated by later firmware releases.

In short: if you intend on actually using your drive, it's very unlikely to
ever be a problem--and pretty much impossible when using TRIM. If you intend
on running iometer in a random write configuration all day, then it is
possible that you'll get performance to degrade.



-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 1:40 AM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.

I found this comment on Newegg:



*Cons:* The only thing I can say that will be annoying is that when
or if i should ever start seeing performance issues, you are suppose
to wipe each of your SSD cards with a software called HDDErase 4.x.
But to do this, I'll have to unplug each of my SSD cards from my
Raid Controller, connect to my motherboard SATA ports and set the
BIOS of my motherboard to SATA-TYPE: IDE. Then run the HDDErase to
clean them. This is suppose to reset the SSD drives to the factory
defaults. When done reconnect your SSD drives back to your
raid-controller and restore an image back onto your HDD.
*Other Thoughts:* Although this will be annoying having to reset
your SSDs every 3-6 months depending on your usage, we all have to
remember this is new technology, and software within the next year
should solve these issues eventually. And if that software never
comes... ooh well. The speed is totally worth it for me!!!



Sounds different, for sure. Can you confirm the need to reset the SSD?

Greg Sevart wrote:
 Standard SATA power and data connections. Mounting is easy. Since they
have
 no moving parts, are fairly immune to shock and vibration, and are
 exceptionally light, a lot of people are just taping them to the sides or
 bottom of the case. Most of them use the 2.5 form factor and are either
9.5
 or 7mm tall. In my case, I bought a cheap 2x 2.5 to 1x 3.5 adapter and
put
 both of my Intel G2 SSDs in the spot for a single 3.5 drive.

 -Original Message-
 From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
 [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight
 Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 8:35 PM
 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.


 do you just plug them in like any drive? do you need anything special 
 to mount them?

 At 06:04 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote:
   
 Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read:
one
 not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a
 magnetic drive is excruciating.

 They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it
 
 feels
   
 like that's just the way a computer should have been all along.

 -Original Message-
 From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
 [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc
 Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:20 PM
 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.

 OK, time for an end-of-the-year stupid question!
 Is this SSD business the non-mechanical replacement for our current
 SATA HD wars/questions/bench races/?

 Like a flash drive on steroids?
 Wondering?
 Best of the Season,
 Duncan
 




   




Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-19 Thread Eli Allen
Only if you use Windows 7 or whatever version of linux supports it (no trim
support for the mac yet) And also only if you use drive controllers which
support it (no raid controller supports trim yet to my knowledge) and the
driver that talks to the drive supports trim, Intel Matrix Storage Manager
doesn't support trim (yet).

If you're on Windows XP or Vista you have to use either Wiper for Indilinx
based drives or the SSD toolbox for Intel drives

-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of James Boswell
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 3:53 AM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.

the newest and shiniest SSD's support TRIM, which negates the need to
perform the resets.






Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-19 Thread John R Steinbruner
+1

Yeah that.  :)

I've told 3-4 people just this week that it now feels like how the computer 
should have responded all along.

You know how on a good system you can open MS Word in say, 3-4 seconds, then if 
you close it, then immediately 
open it again whilst the software is still cached, and it opens in like 1 
second the second time?

Well, that's how the SSD system feels all the time..

Phenomenal...




On Dec 18, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Greg Sevart wrote:

 Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: one
 not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a
 magnetic drive is excruciating.
 
 They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it feels
 like that's just the way a computer should have been all along.
 
 
 
 


-- 
JRS
stei...@pacbell.net

Facts do not cease to exist just
because they are ignored.



Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-18 Thread Bino Gopal
Do you have to have Win7 for TRIM to work?  I guess it doesn't matter in my
case since I'm planning on installing Win7 on the new drive...but just
curious.

And I guess I saw a post on a forum from someone saying they wanted to wait
until gen3 so Intel could get it all right but maybe they're just more
conservative...was wondering what the group consensus was though...

BINO


-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Rick Glazier
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 1:55 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.

I thought Win7 and the Intel Toolkit fixed that. (Trim)

Rick Glazier

From: Bino Gopal
 So is the general thinking that the G2 is good enough or are people
waiting
 for the 3rd gen and full implementation of TRIM from the get-go?  Really
 itching to pull the trigger on one but don't want to get stuck with
 something that's going to have issues shortly down the road when waiting a
 few months would've gotten me a much better part with a lots less
issues...



Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-18 Thread JRS
Yeah, MS only put Trim in Win 7 from what I have seen, dunno about any possible 
updates for Vista where they may turn it on as well with updates?

I doubt XP will ever get it..

From what I have read, the Gen 2 Intels and Gen 3 and 4 Indilinx-controller 
SSD's are making lots of people happy right now.  Plus the G2 Intel uses 
newer, faster 34nM chips instead of the older, slower 40 nM chips.


 -- 
JRS 
stei...@pacbell.net


Facts do not cease to exist just
because they are ignored.



- Original Message 
 From: Bino Gopal binogo...@hotmail.com
 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Sent: Fri, December 18, 2009 1:41:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.
 
 Do you have to have Win7 for TRIM to work?  I guess it doesn't matter in my
 case since I'm planning on installing Win7 on the new drive...but just
 curious.
 
 And I guess I saw a post on a forum from someone saying they wanted to wait
 until gen3 so Intel could get it all right but maybe they're just more
 conservative...was wondering what the group consensus was though...
 
 BINO
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
 [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Rick Glazier
 Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 1:55 PM
 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.
 
 I thought Win7 and the Intel Toolkit fixed that. (Trim)
 
 Rick Glazier
 
 From: Bino Gopal
  So is the general thinking that the G2 is good enough or are people
 waiting
  for the 3rd gen and full implementation of TRIM from the get-go?  Really
  itching to pull the trigger on one but don't want to get stuck with
  something that's going to have issues shortly down the road when waiting a
  few months would've gotten me a much better part with a lots less
 issues...



Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-18 Thread DSinc

OK, time for an end-of-the-year stupid question!
Is this SSD business the non-mechanical replacement for our current 
SATA HD wars/questions/bench races/?


Like a flash drive on steroids?
Wondering?
Best of the Season,
Duncan


Brian Weeden wrote:

I'm just waiting on Santa for my SSD.

---
Brian

Sent from my iPhone

On 2009-12-18, at 4:41 PM, Bino Gopal binogo...@hotmail.com wrote:

Do you have to have Win7 for TRIM to work?  I guess it doesn't matter 
in my

case since I'm planning on installing Win7 on the new drive...but just
curious.

And I guess I saw a post on a forum from someone saying they wanted to 
wait

until gen3 so Intel could get it all right but maybe they're just more
conservative...was wondering what the group consensus was though...

   BINO


-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Rick Glazier
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 1:55 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.

I thought Win7 and the Intel Toolkit fixed that. (Trim)

Rick Glazier

From: Bino Gopal

So is the general thinking that the G2 is good enough or are people

waiting

for the 3rd gen and full implementation of TRIM from the get-go?  Really
itching to pull the trigger on one but don't want to get stuck with
something that's going to have issues shortly down the road when 
waiting a

few months would've gotten me a much better part with a lots less

issues...





Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-18 Thread Greg Sevart
Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: one
not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a
magnetic drive is excruciating.

They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it feels
like that's just the way a computer should have been all along.

-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:20 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.

OK, time for an end-of-the-year stupid question!
Is this SSD business the non-mechanical replacement for our current 
SATA HD wars/questions/bench races/?

Like a flash drive on steroids?
Wondering?
Best of the Season,
Duncan





Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-18 Thread Winterlight


do you just plug them in like any drive? do you need anything special 
to mount them?


At 06:04 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote:

Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: one
not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a
magnetic drive is excruciating.

They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it feels
like that's just the way a computer should have been all along.

-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:20 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.

OK, time for an end-of-the-year stupid question!
Is this SSD business the non-mechanical replacement for our current
SATA HD wars/questions/bench races/?

Like a flash drive on steroids?
Wondering?
Best of the Season,
Duncan




Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-18 Thread Brian Weeden
Yep and not usually (if they do they usually come with).

---
Brian Weeden
Technical Advisor
Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US


On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:34 PM, Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.orgwrote:


 do you just plug them in like any drive? do you need anything special to
 mount them?


 At 06:04 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote:

 Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: one
 not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a
 magnetic drive is excruciating.

 They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it
 feels
 like that's just the way a computer should have been all along.

 -Original Message-
 From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
 [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc
 Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:20 PM
 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.

 OK, time for an end-of-the-year stupid question!
 Is this SSD business the non-mechanical replacement for our current
 SATA HD wars/questions/bench races/?

 Like a flash drive on steroids?
 Wondering?
 Best of the Season,
 Duncan





Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-18 Thread Greg Sevart
Standard SATA power and data connections. Mounting is easy. Since they have
no moving parts, are fairly immune to shock and vibration, and are
exceptionally light, a lot of people are just taping them to the sides or
bottom of the case. Most of them use the 2.5 form factor and are either 9.5
or 7mm tall. In my case, I bought a cheap 2x 2.5 to 1x 3.5 adapter and put
both of my Intel G2 SSDs in the spot for a single 3.5 drive.

-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 8:35 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.


do you just plug them in like any drive? do you need anything special 
to mount them?

At 06:04 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote:
Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: one
not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a
magnetic drive is excruciating.

They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it
feels
like that's just the way a computer should have been all along.

-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:20 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.

OK, time for an end-of-the-year stupid question!
Is this SSD business the non-mechanical replacement for our current
SATA HD wars/questions/bench races/?

Like a flash drive on steroids?
Wondering?
Best of the Season,
Duncan





Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-18 Thread Winterlight

At 06:38 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote:

Yep and not usually (if they do they usually come with).


I just can't stop thinking that by June they will be twice as big and 
half the price. I'm guessing you guys run your OS and programs off them?





---
Brian Weeden
Technical Advisor
Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US


On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:34 PM, Winterlight 
winterli...@winterlight.orgwrote:



 do you just plug them in like any drive? do you need anything special to
 mount them?


 At 06:04 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote:

 Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: one
 not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a
 magnetic drive is excruciating.

 They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it
 feels
 like that's just the way a computer should have been all along.

 -Original Message-
 From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
 [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc
 Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:20 PM
 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.

 OK, time for an end-of-the-year stupid question!
 Is this SSD business the non-mechanical replacement for our current
 SATA HD wars/questions/bench races/?

 Like a flash drive on steroids?
 Wondering?
 Best of the Season,
 Duncan







Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-18 Thread Brian Weeden
I haven't gotten mine yet (Santa) but yes, the idea is you use the SSD as a
boot drive.  Not many people can afford one big enough to use for apps.

Although I have seen a couple of projects that use multiple SSDs in RAID
setups, for those with way t much money.

---
Brian Weeden
Technical Advisor
Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US


On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Winterlight
winterli...@winterlight.orgwrote:

 At 06:38 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote:

 Yep and not usually (if they do they usually come with).


 I just can't stop thinking that by June they will be twice as big and half
 the price. I'm guessing you guys run your OS and programs off them?



  ---
 Brian Weeden
 Technical Advisor
 Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org

 +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
 +1 (202) 683-8534 US


 On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:34 PM, Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.org
 wrote:

 
  do you just plug them in like any drive? do you need anything special to
  mount them?
 
 
  At 06:04 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote:
 
  Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read:
 one
  not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a
  magnetic drive is excruciating.
 
  They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it
  feels
  like that's just the way a computer should have been all along.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
  [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc
  Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:20 PM
  To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
  Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.
 
  OK, time for an end-of-the-year stupid question!
  Is this SSD business the non-mechanical replacement for our current
  SATA HD wars/questions/bench races/?
 
  Like a flash drive on steroids?
  Wondering?
  Best of the Season,
  Duncan
 
 
 





Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-18 Thread DSinc

Greg,
Thanks. Now I know what goes on Santa's list for 2010
Maybe sooner. I've got a machine that may croak its' SATA drive...
BEST of the SEASON!
Duncan


Greg Sevart wrote:

Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: one
not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a
magnetic drive is excruciating.

They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it feels
like that's just the way a computer should have been all along.

-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:20 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.

OK, time for an end-of-the-year stupid question!
Is this SSD business the non-mechanical replacement for our current 
SATA HD wars/questions/bench races/?


Like a flash drive on steroids?
Wondering?
Best of the Season,
Duncan






Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-18 Thread Anthony Q. Martin
So, in the Intel G2 SSD the one to get? There's a reasonable chance that 
I'll get one soon for a another new build (for home). Did you get yours 
at newegg?


Greg Sevart wrote:

Standard SATA power and data connections. Mounting is easy. Since they have
no moving parts, are fairly immune to shock and vibration, and are
exceptionally light, a lot of people are just taping them to the sides or
bottom of the case. Most of them use the 2.5 form factor and are either 9.5
or 7mm tall. In my case, I bought a cheap 2x 2.5 to 1x 3.5 adapter and put
both of my Intel G2 SSDs in the spot for a single 3.5 drive.

-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 8:35 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.


do you just plug them in like any drive? do you need anything special 
to mount them?


At 06:04 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote:
  

Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: one
not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a
magnetic drive is excruciating.

They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it


feels
  

like that's just the way a computer should have been all along.

-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:20 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.

OK, time for an end-of-the-year stupid question!
Is this SSD business the non-mechanical replacement for our current
SATA HD wars/questions/bench races/?

Like a flash drive on steroids?
Wondering?
Best of the Season,
Duncan






  


Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-18 Thread Anthony Q. Martin

Looks like you can use one of these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817994064

Brian Weeden wrote:

Yep and not usually (if they do they usually come with).

---
Brian Weeden
Technical Advisor
Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US


On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:34 PM, Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.orgwrote:

  

do you just plug them in like any drive? do you need anything special to
mount them?


At 06:04 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote:



Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: one
not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a
magnetic drive is excruciating.

They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it
feels
like that's just the way a computer should have been all along.

-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:20 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.

OK, time for an end-of-the-year stupid question!
Is this SSD business the non-mechanical replacement for our current
SATA HD wars/questions/bench races/?

Like a flash drive on steroids?
Wondering?
Best of the Season,
Duncan

  



  


Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-18 Thread Anthony Q. Martin

I found this comment on Newegg:



   *Cons:* The only thing I can say that will be annoying is that when
   or if i should ever start seeing performance issues, you are suppose
   to wipe each of your SSD cards with a software called HDDErase 4.x.
   But to do this, I'll have to unplug each of my SSD cards from my
   Raid Controller, connect to my motherboard SATA ports and set the
   BIOS of my motherboard to SATA-TYPE: IDE. Then run the HDDErase to
   clean them. This is suppose to reset the SSD drives to the factory
   defaults. When done reconnect your SSD drives back to your
   raid-controller and restore an image back onto your HDD.
   *Other Thoughts:* Although this will be annoying having to reset
   your SSDs every 3-6 months depending on your usage, we all have to
   remember this is new technology, and software within the next year
   should solve these issues eventually. And if that software never
   comes... ooh well. The speed is totally worth it for me!!!



Sounds different, for sure. Can you confirm the need to reset the SSD?

Greg Sevart wrote:

Standard SATA power and data connections. Mounting is easy. Since they have
no moving parts, are fairly immune to shock and vibration, and are
exceptionally light, a lot of people are just taping them to the sides or
bottom of the case. Most of them use the 2.5 form factor and are either 9.5
or 7mm tall. In my case, I bought a cheap 2x 2.5 to 1x 3.5 adapter and put
both of my Intel G2 SSDs in the spot for a single 3.5 drive.

-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 8:35 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.


do you just plug them in like any drive? do you need anything special 
to mount them?


At 06:04 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote:
  

Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: one
not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a
magnetic drive is excruciating.

They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it


feels
  

like that's just the way a computer should have been all along.

-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:20 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.

OK, time for an end-of-the-year stupid question!
Is this SSD business the non-mechanical replacement for our current
SATA HD wars/questions/bench races/?

Like a flash drive on steroids?
Wondering?
Best of the Season,
Duncan






  


Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-16 Thread Bino Gopal
So is the general thinking that the G2 is good enough or are people waiting
for the 3rd gen and full implementation of TRIM from the get-go?  Really
itching to pull the trigger on one but don't want to get stuck with
something that's going to have issues shortly down the road when waiting a
few months would've gotten me a much better part with a lots less issues...

BINO


-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of John R Steinbruner
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:29 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.

Yeah, mine is the G2 and I got it from Provantage..

Just ordered an 80 gig G2 SSD for my laptop from the same folks...

www.provantage.com

http://www.provantage.com/hard-drives-solid-state~67HDRVSS0.htm




On Dec 15, 2009, at 9:19 PM, Bino Gopal wrote:

 Hey looking into this myself (for my laptop actually); which model was
this
 exactly?  Is this the G2 version or the G1, and if it's the G2, where did
 you get it for that price since it's $550 on Newegg currently...??
 
 Reading the anandtech article, it seems like the Intel G2 is the way to
go,
 even with the price premium, though the OCZ Vertex is a close second if
you
 don't mind the smaller size and want to save some cash...
 
   BINO
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
 [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of John R
Steinbruner
 Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 10:09 PM
 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.
 
 Yeah, I can see that...
 
 I am already being spoiled by the new speed, click on something and bang,
 there it is
 
 The speed is intoxicating, and yet somehow it's like computers should have
 always been  :)
 
 
 
 
 On Dec 13, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Greg Sevart wrote:
 
 When I rebuilt my home system to move to W7, I switched from a
 Velociraptor
 to 2x Intel 80GB G2 SSDs in R0. It's now painful to use any machine with
a
 magnetic primary drive. I was even able to install Visual Studio 2008 in
 under 2 minutes. Anybody that's ever installed VS2008 knows that's
 incredible.
 
 
 -- 
 JRS
 stei...@pacbell.net
 
 Facts do not cease to exist just
 because they are ignored.
 
 


-- 
JRS
stei...@pacbell.net

Facts do not cease to exist just
because they are ignored.




Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-16 Thread Rick Glazier

I thought Win7 and the Intel Toolkit fixed that. (Trim)

Rick Glazier

From: Bino Gopal

So is the general thinking that the G2 is good enough or are people waiting
for the 3rd gen and full implementation of TRIM from the get-go?  Really
itching to pull the trigger on one but don't want to get stuck with
something that's going to have issues shortly down the road when waiting a
few months would've gotten me a much better part with a lots less issues...


Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-16 Thread John R Steinbruner
Yeah, my G2 has the TRIM command in it..  :)


On Dec 16, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Rick Glazier wrote:

 I thought Win7 and the Intel Toolkit fixed that. (Trim)
 
 Rick Glazier
 
 From: Bino Gopal
 So is the general thinking that the G2 is good enough or are people waiting
 for the 3rd gen and full implementation of TRIM from the get-go?  Really
 itching to pull the trigger on one but don't want to get stuck with
 something that's going to have issues shortly down the road when waiting a
 few months would've gotten me a much better part with a lots less issues...


-- 
JRS
stei...@pacbell.net

Facts do not cease to exist just
because they are ignored.



Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-15 Thread Bino Gopal
Hey looking into this myself (for my laptop actually); which model was this
exactly?  Is this the G2 version or the G1, and if it's the G2, where did
you get it for that price since it's $550 on Newegg currently...??

Reading the anandtech article, it seems like the Intel G2 is the way to go,
even with the price premium, though the OCZ Vertex is a close second if you
don't mind the smaller size and want to save some cash...

BINO


-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of John R Steinbruner
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 10:09 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.

Yeah, I can see that...

I am already being spoiled by the new speed, click on something and bang,
there it is

The speed is intoxicating, and yet somehow it's like computers should have
always been  :)




On Dec 13, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Greg Sevart wrote:

 When I rebuilt my home system to move to W7, I switched from a
Velociraptor
 to 2x Intel 80GB G2 SSDs in R0. It's now painful to use any machine with a
 magnetic primary drive. I was even able to install Visual Studio 2008 in
 under 2 minutes. Anybody that's ever installed VS2008 knows that's
 incredible.


-- 
JRS
stei...@pacbell.net

Facts do not cease to exist just
because they are ignored.




Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-15 Thread John R Steinbruner
Yeah, mine is the G2 and I got it from Provantage..

Just ordered an 80 gig G2 SSD for my laptop from the same folks...

www.provantage.com

http://www.provantage.com/hard-drives-solid-state~67HDRVSS0.htm




On Dec 15, 2009, at 9:19 PM, Bino Gopal wrote:

 Hey looking into this myself (for my laptop actually); which model was this
 exactly?  Is this the G2 version or the G1, and if it's the G2, where did
 you get it for that price since it's $550 on Newegg currently...??
 
 Reading the anandtech article, it seems like the Intel G2 is the way to go,
 even with the price premium, though the OCZ Vertex is a close second if you
 don't mind the smaller size and want to save some cash...
 
   BINO
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
 [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of John R Steinbruner
 Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 10:09 PM
 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.
 
 Yeah, I can see that...
 
 I am already being spoiled by the new speed, click on something and bang,
 there it is
 
 The speed is intoxicating, and yet somehow it's like computers should have
 always been  :)
 
 
 
 
 On Dec 13, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Greg Sevart wrote:
 
 When I rebuilt my home system to move to W7, I switched from a
 Velociraptor
 to 2x Intel 80GB G2 SSDs in R0. It's now painful to use any machine with a
 magnetic primary drive. I was even able to install Visual Studio 2008 in
 under 2 minutes. Anybody that's ever installed VS2008 knows that's
 incredible.
 
 
 -- 
 JRS
 stei...@pacbell.net
 
 Facts do not cease to exist just
 because they are ignored.
 
 


-- 
JRS
stei...@pacbell.net

Facts do not cease to exist just
because they are ignored.



Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-13 Thread Joe User
Hello John,

Saturday, December 12, 2009, 11:43:58 PM, you wrote:

 So OK...

 The Intel 160 gig SSD finally arrived Friday


Next system I build will have at least two of these.


-- 
Regards,
 joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...

...now these points of data make a beautiful line...



Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-13 Thread Greg Sevart
When I rebuilt my home system to move to W7, I switched from a Velociraptor
to 2x Intel 80GB G2 SSDs in R0. It's now painful to use any machine with a
magnetic primary drive. I was even able to install Visual Studio 2008 in
under 2 minutes. Anybody that's ever installed VS2008 knows that's
incredible.

-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Joe User
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 3:19 PM
To: John R Steinbruner
Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time.

Hello John,

Saturday, December 12, 2009, 11:43:58 PM, you wrote:

 So OK...

 The Intel 160 gig SSD finally arrived Friday


Next system I build will have at least two of these.


-- 
Regards,
 joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...

...now these points of data make a beautiful line...





Re: [H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-13 Thread John R Steinbruner
Yeah, I can see that...

I am already being spoiled by the new speed, click on something and bang, there 
it is

The speed is intoxicating, and yet somehow it's like computers should have 
always been  :)




On Dec 13, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Greg Sevart wrote:

 When I rebuilt my home system to move to W7, I switched from a Velociraptor
 to 2x Intel 80GB G2 SSDs in R0. It's now painful to use any machine with a
 magnetic primary drive. I was even able to install Visual Studio 2008 in
 under 2 minutes. Anybody that's ever installed VS2008 knows that's
 incredible.


-- 
JRS
stei...@pacbell.net

Facts do not cease to exist just
because they are ignored.



[H] SSD Time.............

2009-12-12 Thread John R Steinbruner
So OK...

The Intel 160 gig SSD finally arrived Friday

WinPE and MiniPE would not ghost my old drive to it, the Win7 drive selection 
was grayed out for some reason..

Finally found a sweet Freeware disk copy program from EaseUS that does sector 
by sector copies and works with any OS.

It's a bootable CD rom image that does internal and external drives just fine.  
I had my old drive on a USB cable and it found everything just
fine and managed 1.5 gigs a minute on the copy even over the somewhat slow USB 
connection.

http://www.easeus.com/disk-copy/


So I ghosted my old (10 months is really not that old) 180 gig VelociRaptor 
drive to the new one and rebooted...

Now this is on my 2 year old Core 2 Duo box, Intel D975XBX2 (BadAxe2) but it 
still made a big difference...

Since it's dual boot, XP/Win7, I get a selection screen after BIOS runs, etc...

From hitting Enter on that screen, Windows 7 now boots up in 15 seconds..

Windows XP (lots more stuff loaded into it) boots in 20 seconds

2-3 times faster than before, even when I had a 10K rpm VelociRaptor for the 
boot drive...

Wowza.

Not sure if it's worth the 460 bucks for the SSD though since I use the iMac 90 
percent of the time anyhow these days.  :)

But...

The times they are a-changin'.

This little 2.5 inch SSD only weighs like 2 ounces, and it seemed so small and 
dinky, almost like a toy...

But it is fast and speedy and reliable and even has a 5 year warranty

Cheers

-- 
JRS
stei...@pacbell.net

Facts do not cease to exist just
because they are ignored.