Re: [H] SSD Time.............
On another note, Intel has re-released the SSD Toolbox, so you can use your G2 drive on XP systems that do not have the Trim command. You just run the optimize tool every week or so. Dunno if it's needed that often, but that's what they recommend. I ran it on my 80 gig laptop drive yesterday, it took less than 10 seconds to run. :-) The X25-E has a substantially higher sequential write rate, yes, but that doesn't really translate very well to real-world speeds for end-user scenarios. The G2 isn't in that chart, either. For the record, the G2 MLC drive delivers better 4k random write IOPS than the SLC X25-E--which is far more important than sequential performance. TRIM still provides benefit for SLC drives, but it is indeed less of an impact. However, the reason why the X25-E doesn't have it has nothing to do with need, and everything to do with the fact that the X25-E has not been moved to their new 34nm flash and updated controller. Intel has chosen to abandon early adopters and only provide TRIM support for those of us on their 34nm platform (G2). SLC can indeed nominally sustain 10 times more write cycles, but frankly, it's pretty irrelevant for end-user usage. If you were running SQL Server and a moderately heavy transactional application hitting it, sure, but for end-user use? Not worth the expense IMO. By the time it does wear out (and it has a 3-year warranty from Intel, btw), you'll want to move to something far better anyway. On a side note, I generally love Tech Report, but I've found any review where they've analyzed SSDs to be...sub-par.
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
To Anthony's comment, I was pretty set on getting a 80 or 160GB Intel G2 of the X-25M version (which is 2.5 MLC). http://techreport.com/articles.x/17269 But as I read more reviews, I saw the write speeds on the X-25E (which is 2.5 SLC) are significantly higher, though the cost is of course correspondingly higher too... http://techreport.com/articles.x/15931 What're people's opinions on whether the X-25E is worth the premium over the X-25M? SLC is supposed to last longer...I don't see anything about TRIM support for the E line though; is that b/c it doesn't need it? BINO P.S. This article is an interesting read too: http://techreport.com/articles.x/17183 (Techreport's storage restrospective complete with graphs!) -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 11:08 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. So, in the Intel G2 SSD the one to get? There's a reasonable chance that I'll get one soon for a another new build (for home). Did you get yours at newegg? Greg Sevart wrote: Standard SATA power and data connections. Mounting is easy. Since they have no moving parts, are fairly immune to shock and vibration, and are exceptionally light, a lot of people are just taping them to the sides or bottom of the case. Most of them use the 2.5 form factor and are either 9.5 or 7mm tall. In my case, I bought a cheap 2x 2.5 to 1x 3.5 adapter and put both of my Intel G2 SSDs in the spot for a single 3.5 drive. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 8:35 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. do you just plug them in like any drive? do you need anything special to mount them? At 06:04 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote: Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: one not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a magnetic drive is excruciating. They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it feels like that's just the way a computer should have been all along. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:20 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. OK, time for an end-of-the-year stupid question! Is this SSD business the non-mechanical replacement for our current SATA HD wars/questions/bench races/? Like a flash drive on steroids? Wondering? Best of the Season, Duncan
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
-Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Bino Gopal Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 5:54 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. To Anthony's comment, I was pretty set on getting a 80 or 160GB Intel G2 of the X-25M version (which is 2.5 MLC). http://techreport.com/articles.x/17269 But as I read more reviews, I saw the write speeds on the X-25E (which is 2.5 SLC) are significantly higher, though the cost is of course correspondingly higher too... http://techreport.com/articles.x/15931 The X25-E has a substantially higher sequential write rate, yes, but that doesn't really translate very well to real-world speeds for end-user scenarios. The G2 isn't in that chart, either. For the record, the G2 MLC drive delivers better 4k random write IOPS than the SLC X25-E--which is far more important than sequential performance. What're people's opinions on whether the X-25E is worth the premium over the X-25M? SLC is supposed to last longer...I don't see anything about TRIM support for the E line though; is that b/c it doesn't need it? TRIM still provides benefit for SLC drives, but it is indeed less of an impact. However, the reason why the X25-E doesn't have it has nothing to do with need, and everything to do with the fact that the X25-E has not been moved to their new 34nm flash and updated controller. Intel has chosen to abandon early adopters and only provide TRIM support for those of us on their 34nm platform (G2). SLC can indeed nominally sustain 10 times more write cycles, but frankly, it's pretty irrelevant for end-user usage. If you were running SQL Server and a moderately heavy transactional application hitting it, sure, but for end-user use? Not worth the expense IMO. By the time it does wear out (and it has a 3-year warranty from Intel, btw), you'll want to move to something far better anyway. On a side note, I generally love Tech Report, but I've found any review where they've analyzed SSDs to be...sub-par.
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
The problem with waiting...is that I really will be waiting..on a slow HD and win7! Too late. My SSD should come today! Now the fun begins. Questions: How best to move my C drive (boot + programs) to the SSD? What software tool does the image best? Running Win7 RC. Will upgrade to Win764ibt Ultimate soon. I'd actually like to just upgrade over the RC. Is that possible? Also, can one just move the USERS folder to the D drive and have Win7 track that move and account for it? There is a LOT of data in that folder that I would not have on an SSD. Thanks. Brian Weeden wrote: They will be - IF you can wait. --- Brian Sent from my iPhone On 2009-12-20, at 5:07 AM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net wrote: I'm getting one to replace the hd in my dell Lattitude LT...and also for the boot drive in my desktop. On the laptop, I send a lot of time waiting for the damn thing to boot up. It takes so damn long that frequently I don't want to boot it. On the desktop, Win7 seems to have these long pauses while doing who knows what on the HD. Seems like SSD will be the most impactful upgrade for of all timejust wish the prices were lower and the capacities higher. John R Steinbruner wrote: +1 Yeah that. :) I've told 3-4 people just this week that it now feels like how the computer should have responded all along. You know how on a good system you can open MS Word in say, 3-4 seconds, then if you close it, then immediately open it again whilst the software is still cached, and it opens in like 1 second the second time? Well, that's how the SSD system feels all the time.. Phenomenal... On Dec 18, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Greg Sevart wrote: Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: one not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a magnetic drive is excruciating. They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it feels like that's just the way a computer should have been all along.
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
Have fun and enjoy your new SSD I don't think you can upgrade your RC to the Original. I've tried from RC to RTM and it's fail. But, maybe I'm wrong. At 09:31 PM 12/28/2009, you wrote: The problem with waiting...is that I really will be waiting..on a slow HD and win7! Too late. My SSD should come today! Now the fun begins. Questions: How best to move my C drive (boot + programs) to the SSD? What software tool does the image best? Running Win7 RC. Will upgrade to Win764ibt Ultimate soon. I'd actually like to just upgrade over the RC. Is that possible? Also, can one just move the USERS folder to the D drive and have Win7 track that move and account for it? There is a LOT of data in that folder that I would not have on an SSD. Thanks.
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 09:31:36AM -0500, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: The problem with waiting...is that I really will be waiting..on a slow HD and win7! Too late. My SSD should come today! Now the fun begins. Questions: How best to move my C drive (boot + programs) to the SSD? What software tool does the image best? Running Win7 RC. Will upgrade to Win764ibt Ultimate soon. I'd actually like to just upgrade over the RC. Is that possible? Fresh install on the new SSD. I know this is mainly a windows group, so the following should be common sense by now: a) Never upgrade windwows, ever, ever, ever. b) A fresh install will always be faster and cleaner Once you do a fresh install of the OS and our programs, do an image and keep it on the network for easy restores later on. -- Bryan G. Seitz
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
Bryan Seitz wrote: On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 09:31:36AM -0500, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: The problem with waiting...is that I really will be waiting..on a slow HD and win7! Too late. My SSD should come today! Now the fun begins. Questions: How best to move my C drive (boot + programs) to the SSD? What software tool does the image best? Running Win7 RC. Will upgrade to Win764ibt Ultimate soon. I'd actually like to just upgrade over the RC. Is that possible? Fresh install on the new SSD. I know this is mainly a windows group, so the following should be common sense by now: a) Never upgrade windwows, ever, ever, ever. Well b) A fresh install will always be faster and cleaner It certainly will be cleanerbut it won't always be faster, since there is a lot of bits and pieces you need to carry over to ensure you don't lose anything. The only reason I'd consider not doing a fresh install is because this is a relatively young install anyhow, and I don't load back all my stuff (software) since I knew I would be going this again... Once you do a fresh install of the OS and our programs, do an image and keep it on the network for easy restores later on.
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
If it can't be done then that will make matters more straight forward...in a sense. Garind P wrote: Have fun and enjoy your new SSD I don't think you can upgrade your RC to the Original. I've tried from RC to RTM and it's fail. But, maybe I'm wrong. At 09:31 PM 12/28/2009, you wrote: The problem with waiting...is that I really will be waiting..on a slow HD and win7! Too late. My SSD should come today! Now the fun begins. Questions: How best to move my C drive (boot + programs) to the SSD? What software tool does the image best? Running Win7 RC. Will upgrade to Win764ibt Ultimate soon. I'd actually like to just upgrade over the RC. Is that possible? Also, can one just move the USERS folder to the D drive and have Win7 track that move and account for it? There is a LOT of data in that folder that I would not have on an SSD. Thanks.
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
Cool! Thanks. JRS wrote: I used this freeware sector by sector copy program... http://www.easeus.com/disk-copy/ I found out the hard way when I tried to copy mine that the Symantec Ghost I had would not work, nor would the various versions I had on some Bart and Win PE disks and such.. For some reason the source drive (my VelociRaptor) was grayed out and could not be selected. This easeUS freebie worked great, even when I was using an external USB drive to copy too. It's a small 35 meg ISO that builds a boot CD, and has a nice easy GUI to use... -- JRS stei...@pacbell.net Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored. - Original Message From: Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Mon, December 28, 2009 6:31:36 AM Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. The problem with waiting...is that I really will be waiting..on a slow HD and win7! Too late. My SSD should come today! Now the fun begins. Questions: How best to move my C drive (boot + programs) to the SSD? What software tool does the image best? Running Win7 RC. Will upgrade to Win764ibt Ultimate soon. I'd actually like to just upgrade over the RC. Is that possible? Also, can one just move the USERS folder to the D drive and have Win7 track that move and account for it? There is a LOT of data in that folder that I would not have on an SSD. Thanks. Brian Weeden wrote: They will be - IF you can wait. --- Brian Sent from my iPhone On 2009-12-20, at 5:07 AM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: I'm getting one to replace the hd in my dell Lattitude LT...and also for the boot drive in my desktop. On the laptop, I send a lot of time waiting for the damn thing to boot up. It takes so damn long that frequently I don't want to boot it. On the desktop, Win7 seems to have these long pauses while doing who knows what on the HD. Seems like SSD will be the most impactful upgrade for of all timejust wish the prices were lower and the capacities higher. John R Steinbruner wrote: +1 Yeah that. :) I've told 3-4 people just this week that it now feels like how the computer should have responded all along. You know how on a good system you can open MS Word in say, 3-4 seconds, then if you close it, then immediately open it again whilst the software is still cached, and it opens in like 1 second the second time? Well, that's how the SSD system feels all the time.. Phenomenal... On Dec 18, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Greg Sevart wrote: Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: one not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a magnetic drive is excruciating. They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it feels like that's just the way a computer should have been all along.
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
Might not be a great idea from magnetic to SSD, but not sure. On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 08:00:02AM -0800, JRS wrote: I used this freeware sector by sector copy program... http://www.easeus.com/disk-copy/ I found out the hard way when I tried to copy mine that the Symantec Ghost I had would not work, nor would the various versions I had on some Bart and Win PE disks and such.. For some reason the source drive (my VelociRaptor) was grayed out and could not be selected. This easeUS freebie worked great, even when I was using an external USB drive to copy too. It's a small 35 meg ISO that builds a boot CD, and has a nice easy GUI to use... -- JRS stei...@pacbell.net Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored. - Original Message From: Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Mon, December 28, 2009 6:31:36 AM Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. The problem with waiting...is that I really will be waiting..on a slow HD and win7! Too late. My SSD should come today! Now the fun begins. Questions: How best to move my C drive (boot + programs) to the SSD? What software tool does the image best? Running Win7 RC. Will upgrade to Win764ibt Ultimate soon. I'd actually like to just upgrade over the RC. Is that possible? Also, can one just move the USERS folder to the D drive and have Win7 track that move and account for it? There is a LOT of data in that folder that I would not have on an SSD. Thanks. Brian Weeden wrote: They will be - IF you can wait. --- Brian Sent from my iPhone On 2009-12-20, at 5:07 AM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: I'm getting one to replace the hd in my dell Lattitude LT...and also for the boot drive in my desktop. On the laptop, I send a lot of time waiting for the damn thing to boot up. It takes so damn long that frequently I don't want to boot it. On the desktop, Win7 seems to have these long pauses while doing who knows what on the HD. Seems like SSD will be the most impactful upgrade for of all timejust wish the prices were lower and the capacities higher. John R Steinbruner wrote: +1 Yeah that. :) I've told 3-4 people just this week that it now feels like how the computer should have responded all along. You know how on a good system you can open MS Word in say, 3-4 seconds, then if you close it, then immediately open it again whilst the software is still cached, and it opens in like 1 second the second time? Well, that's how the SSD system feels all the time.. Phenomenal... On Dec 18, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Greg Sevart wrote: Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: one not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a magnetic drive is excruciating. They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it feels like that's just the way a computer should have been all along. -- Bryan G. Seitz
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
Well, the program still goes thru the HD's controller, so hopefully should be fine... Mine came out great, it was a dual boot system before and the new drive came out just the same, with everything working as it should, just a lot faster.. :) -- JRS stei...@pacbell.net Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored. - Original Message From: Bryan Seitz se...@bsd-unix.net To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Mon, December 28, 2009 8:15:37 AM Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. Might not be a great idea from magnetic to SSD, but not sure. On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 08:00:02AM -0800, JRS wrote: I used this freeware sector by sector copy program... http://www.easeus.com/disk-copy/ I found out the hard way when I tried to copy mine that the Symantec Ghost I had would not work, nor would the various versions I had on some Bart and Win PE disks and such.. For some reason the source drive (my VelociRaptor) was grayed out and could not be selected. This easeUS freebie worked great, even when I was using an external USB drive to copy too. It's a small 35 meg ISO that builds a boot CD, and has a nice easy GUI to use...
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
It'd waste a lot of time copying empty sectors, but there should be no harm in doing so. One benefit is that it will maintain partition alignment, which AFAIK Ghost doesn't do, and Acronis requires special steps (use volume mode in two steps instead of disk mode)--unless you also put these into sector-by-sector mode. Alignment isn't important on single or mirrored magnetic drives, but is fairly important when working with any striped RAID or SSD. Supposedly Acronis is working on changing the out-of-date 63-sector offset default, but who knows when that'll be implemented. You can install RTM over the RC, but you have to modify a file and re-burn the disc (or use a USB drive) to do so. http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/04/07/delivering-a-quality-upgrade-exp erience.aspx -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of JRS Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 10:47 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. Well, the program still goes thru the HD's controller, so hopefully should be fine... Mine came out great, it was a dual boot system before and the new drive came out just the same, with everything working as it should, just a lot faster.. :) -- JRS stei...@pacbell.net Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored. - Original Message From: Bryan Seitz se...@bsd-unix.net To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Mon, December 28, 2009 8:15:37 AM Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. Might not be a great idea from magnetic to SSD, but not sure. On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 08:00:02AM -0800, JRS wrote: I used this freeware sector by sector copy program... http://www.easeus.com/disk-copy/ I found out the hard way when I tried to copy mine that the Symantec Ghost I had would not work, nor would the various versions I had on some Bart and Win PE disks and such.. For some reason the source drive (my VelociRaptor) was grayed out and could not be selected. This easeUS freebie worked great, even when I was using an external USB drive to copy too. It's a small 35 meg ISO that builds a boot CD, and has a nice easy GUI to use...
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
This SSD is slick! Tiny thing, too. I just hate to take my system down to install it. Do you guys use and trust Windows Easy Transfer? Greg Sevart wrote: It'd waste a lot of time copying empty sectors, but there should be no harm in doing so. One benefit is that it will maintain partition alignment, which AFAIK Ghost doesn't do, and Acronis requires special steps (use volume mode in two steps instead of disk mode)--unless you also put these into sector-by-sector mode. Alignment isn't important on single or mirrored magnetic drives, but is fairly important when working with any striped RAID or SSD. Supposedly Acronis is working on changing the out-of-date 63-sector offset default, but who knows when that'll be implemented. You can install RTM over the RC, but you have to modify a file and re-burn the disc (or use a USB drive) to do so. http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/04/07/delivering-a-quality-upgrade-exp erience.aspx -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of JRS Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 10:47 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. Well, the program still goes thru the HD's controller, so hopefully should be fine... Mine came out great, it was a dual boot system before and the new drive came out just the same, with everything working as it should, just a lot faster.. :) -- JRS stei...@pacbell.net Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored. - Original Message From: Bryan Seitz se...@bsd-unix.net To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Mon, December 28, 2009 8:15:37 AM Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. Might not be a great idea from magnetic to SSD, but not sure. On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 08:00:02AM -0800, JRS wrote: I used this freeware sector by sector copy program... http://www.easeus.com/disk-copy/ I found out the hard way when I tried to copy mine that the Symantec Ghost I had would not work, nor would the various versions I had on some Bart and Win PE disks and such.. For some reason the source drive (my VelociRaptor) was grayed out and could not be selected. This easeUS freebie worked great, even when I was using an external USB drive to copy too. It's a small 35 meg ISO that builds a boot CD, and has a nice easy GUI to use...
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
I'm getting one to replace the hd in my dell Lattitude LT...and also for the boot drive in my desktop. On the laptop, I send a lot of time waiting for the damn thing to boot up. It takes so damn long that frequently I don't want to boot it. On the desktop, Win7 seems to have these long pauses while doing who knows what on the HD. Seems like SSD will be the most impactful upgrade for of all timejust wish the prices were lower and the capacities higher. John R Steinbruner wrote: +1 Yeah that. :) I've told 3-4 people just this week that it now feels like how the computer should have responded all along. You know how on a good system you can open MS Word in say, 3-4 seconds, then if you close it, then immediately open it again whilst the software is still cached, and it opens in like 1 second the second time? Well, that's how the SSD system feels all the time.. Phenomenal... On Dec 18, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Greg Sevart wrote: Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: one not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a magnetic drive is excruciating. They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it feels like that's just the way a computer should have been all along.
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
They will be - IF you can wait. --- Brian Sent from my iPhone On 2009-12-20, at 5:07 AM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net wrote: I'm getting one to replace the hd in my dell Lattitude LT...and also for the boot drive in my desktop. On the laptop, I send a lot of time waiting for the damn thing to boot up. It takes so damn long that frequently I don't want to boot it. On the desktop, Win7 seems to have these long pauses while doing who knows what on the HD. Seems like SSD will be the most impactful upgrade for of all timejust wish the prices were lower and the capacities higher. John R Steinbruner wrote: +1 Yeah that. :) I've told 3-4 people just this week that it now feels like how the computer should have responded all along. You know how on a good system you can open MS Word in say, 3-4 seconds, then if you close it, then immediately open it again whilst the software is still cached, and it opens in like 1 second the second time? Well, that's how the SSD system feels all the time.. Phenomenal... On Dec 18, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Greg Sevart wrote: Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: one not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a magnetic drive is excruciating. They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it feels like that's just the way a computer should have been all along.
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
the newest and shiniest SSD's support TRIM, which negates the need to perform the resets. On 19 Dec 2009, at 07:39, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: I found this comment on Newegg: *Cons:* The only thing I can say that will be annoying is that when or if i should ever start seeing performance issues, you are suppose to wipe each of your SSD cards with a software called HDDErase 4.x. But to do this, I'll have to unplug each of my SSD cards from my Raid Controller, connect to my motherboard SATA ports and set the BIOS of my motherboard to SATA-TYPE: IDE. Then run the HDDErase to clean them. This is suppose to reset the SSD drives to the factory defaults. When done reconnect your SSD drives back to your raid-controller and restore an image back onto your HDD. *Other Thoughts:* Although this will be annoying having to reset your SSDs every 3-6 months depending on your usage, we all have to remember this is new technology, and software within the next year should solve these issues eventually. And if that software never comes... ooh well. The speed is totally worth it for me!!! Sounds different, for sure. Can you confirm the need to reset the SSD? Greg Sevart wrote: Standard SATA power and data connections. Mounting is easy. Since they have no moving parts, are fairly immune to shock and vibration, and are exceptionally light, a lot of people are just taping them to the sides or bottom of the case. Most of them use the 2.5 form factor and are either 9.5 or 7mm tall. In my case, I bought a cheap 2x 2.5 to 1x 3.5 adapter and put both of my Intel G2 SSDs in the spot for a single 3.5 drive. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 8:35 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. do you just plug them in like any drive? do you need anything special to mount them? At 06:04 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote: Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: one not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a magnetic drive is excruciating. They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it feels like that's just the way a computer should have been all along. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:20 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. OK, time for an end-of-the-year stupid question! Is this SSD business the non-mechanical replacement for our current SATA HD wars/questions/bench races/? Like a flash drive on steroids? Wondering? Best of the Season, Duncan
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
Way overblown. Earlier SSDs and/or firmware did indeed have some performance degradation over time, but this needs to be put in some perspective: 1. You generally needed to run synthetic benchmarks over and over again, focusing on random write, to create the situation. 2. Even if you somehow got a drive into a degraded state, it's still MANY TIMES faster than the best magnetic drives 3. Beginning with the first firmware release for the Intel G1 drive, and the 1.41 GC firmware for the OCZ Vertex drives, they are able to clean themselves up very effectively to restore any lost performance even without TRIM 4. Windows 7 with TRIM effectively eliminates the possibility for the condition (enabled by the 1.40 Vertex firmware or the latest Intel firmware) - there are presently still some strict requirements for TRIM support because it is still so new, but the simple fact of the matter is that poor used performance has been mostly mitigated by later firmware releases. In short: if you intend on actually using your drive, it's very unlikely to ever be a problem--and pretty much impossible when using TRIM. If you intend on running iometer in a random write configuration all day, then it is possible that you'll get performance to degrade. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 1:40 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. I found this comment on Newegg: *Cons:* The only thing I can say that will be annoying is that when or if i should ever start seeing performance issues, you are suppose to wipe each of your SSD cards with a software called HDDErase 4.x. But to do this, I'll have to unplug each of my SSD cards from my Raid Controller, connect to my motherboard SATA ports and set the BIOS of my motherboard to SATA-TYPE: IDE. Then run the HDDErase to clean them. This is suppose to reset the SSD drives to the factory defaults. When done reconnect your SSD drives back to your raid-controller and restore an image back onto your HDD. *Other Thoughts:* Although this will be annoying having to reset your SSDs every 3-6 months depending on your usage, we all have to remember this is new technology, and software within the next year should solve these issues eventually. And if that software never comes... ooh well. The speed is totally worth it for me!!! Sounds different, for sure. Can you confirm the need to reset the SSD? Greg Sevart wrote: Standard SATA power and data connections. Mounting is easy. Since they have no moving parts, are fairly immune to shock and vibration, and are exceptionally light, a lot of people are just taping them to the sides or bottom of the case. Most of them use the 2.5 form factor and are either 9.5 or 7mm tall. In my case, I bought a cheap 2x 2.5 to 1x 3.5 adapter and put both of my Intel G2 SSDs in the spot for a single 3.5 drive. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 8:35 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. do you just plug them in like any drive? do you need anything special to mount them? At 06:04 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote: Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: one not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a magnetic drive is excruciating. They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it feels like that's just the way a computer should have been all along. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:20 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. OK, time for an end-of-the-year stupid question! Is this SSD business the non-mechanical replacement for our current SATA HD wars/questions/bench races/? Like a flash drive on steroids? Wondering? Best of the Season, Duncan
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
Only if you use Windows 7 or whatever version of linux supports it (no trim support for the mac yet) And also only if you use drive controllers which support it (no raid controller supports trim yet to my knowledge) and the driver that talks to the drive supports trim, Intel Matrix Storage Manager doesn't support trim (yet). If you're on Windows XP or Vista you have to use either Wiper for Indilinx based drives or the SSD toolbox for Intel drives -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of James Boswell Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 3:53 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. the newest and shiniest SSD's support TRIM, which negates the need to perform the resets.
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
+1 Yeah that. :) I've told 3-4 people just this week that it now feels like how the computer should have responded all along. You know how on a good system you can open MS Word in say, 3-4 seconds, then if you close it, then immediately open it again whilst the software is still cached, and it opens in like 1 second the second time? Well, that's how the SSD system feels all the time.. Phenomenal... On Dec 18, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Greg Sevart wrote: Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: one not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a magnetic drive is excruciating. They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it feels like that's just the way a computer should have been all along. -- JRS stei...@pacbell.net Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored.
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
Do you have to have Win7 for TRIM to work? I guess it doesn't matter in my case since I'm planning on installing Win7 on the new drive...but just curious. And I guess I saw a post on a forum from someone saying they wanted to wait until gen3 so Intel could get it all right but maybe they're just more conservative...was wondering what the group consensus was though... BINO -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Rick Glazier Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 1:55 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. I thought Win7 and the Intel Toolkit fixed that. (Trim) Rick Glazier From: Bino Gopal So is the general thinking that the G2 is good enough or are people waiting for the 3rd gen and full implementation of TRIM from the get-go? Really itching to pull the trigger on one but don't want to get stuck with something that's going to have issues shortly down the road when waiting a few months would've gotten me a much better part with a lots less issues...
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
Yeah, MS only put Trim in Win 7 from what I have seen, dunno about any possible updates for Vista where they may turn it on as well with updates? I doubt XP will ever get it.. From what I have read, the Gen 2 Intels and Gen 3 and 4 Indilinx-controller SSD's are making lots of people happy right now. Plus the G2 Intel uses newer, faster 34nM chips instead of the older, slower 40 nM chips. -- JRS stei...@pacbell.net Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored. - Original Message From: Bino Gopal binogo...@hotmail.com To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Fri, December 18, 2009 1:41:48 PM Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. Do you have to have Win7 for TRIM to work? I guess it doesn't matter in my case since I'm planning on installing Win7 on the new drive...but just curious. And I guess I saw a post on a forum from someone saying they wanted to wait until gen3 so Intel could get it all right but maybe they're just more conservative...was wondering what the group consensus was though... BINO -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Rick Glazier Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 1:55 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. I thought Win7 and the Intel Toolkit fixed that. (Trim) Rick Glazier From: Bino Gopal So is the general thinking that the G2 is good enough or are people waiting for the 3rd gen and full implementation of TRIM from the get-go? Really itching to pull the trigger on one but don't want to get stuck with something that's going to have issues shortly down the road when waiting a few months would've gotten me a much better part with a lots less issues...
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
OK, time for an end-of-the-year stupid question! Is this SSD business the non-mechanical replacement for our current SATA HD wars/questions/bench races/? Like a flash drive on steroids? Wondering? Best of the Season, Duncan Brian Weeden wrote: I'm just waiting on Santa for my SSD. --- Brian Sent from my iPhone On 2009-12-18, at 4:41 PM, Bino Gopal binogo...@hotmail.com wrote: Do you have to have Win7 for TRIM to work? I guess it doesn't matter in my case since I'm planning on installing Win7 on the new drive...but just curious. And I guess I saw a post on a forum from someone saying they wanted to wait until gen3 so Intel could get it all right but maybe they're just more conservative...was wondering what the group consensus was though... BINO -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Rick Glazier Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 1:55 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. I thought Win7 and the Intel Toolkit fixed that. (Trim) Rick Glazier From: Bino Gopal So is the general thinking that the G2 is good enough or are people waiting for the 3rd gen and full implementation of TRIM from the get-go? Really itching to pull the trigger on one but don't want to get stuck with something that's going to have issues shortly down the road when waiting a few months would've gotten me a much better part with a lots less issues...
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: one not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a magnetic drive is excruciating. They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it feels like that's just the way a computer should have been all along. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:20 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. OK, time for an end-of-the-year stupid question! Is this SSD business the non-mechanical replacement for our current SATA HD wars/questions/bench races/? Like a flash drive on steroids? Wondering? Best of the Season, Duncan
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
do you just plug them in like any drive? do you need anything special to mount them? At 06:04 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote: Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: one not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a magnetic drive is excruciating. They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it feels like that's just the way a computer should have been all along. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:20 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. OK, time for an end-of-the-year stupid question! Is this SSD business the non-mechanical replacement for our current SATA HD wars/questions/bench races/? Like a flash drive on steroids? Wondering? Best of the Season, Duncan
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
Yep and not usually (if they do they usually come with). --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:34 PM, Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.orgwrote: do you just plug them in like any drive? do you need anything special to mount them? At 06:04 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote: Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: one not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a magnetic drive is excruciating. They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it feels like that's just the way a computer should have been all along. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:20 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. OK, time for an end-of-the-year stupid question! Is this SSD business the non-mechanical replacement for our current SATA HD wars/questions/bench races/? Like a flash drive on steroids? Wondering? Best of the Season, Duncan
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
Standard SATA power and data connections. Mounting is easy. Since they have no moving parts, are fairly immune to shock and vibration, and are exceptionally light, a lot of people are just taping them to the sides or bottom of the case. Most of them use the 2.5 form factor and are either 9.5 or 7mm tall. In my case, I bought a cheap 2x 2.5 to 1x 3.5 adapter and put both of my Intel G2 SSDs in the spot for a single 3.5 drive. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 8:35 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. do you just plug them in like any drive? do you need anything special to mount them? At 06:04 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote: Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: one not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a magnetic drive is excruciating. They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it feels like that's just the way a computer should have been all along. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:20 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. OK, time for an end-of-the-year stupid question! Is this SSD business the non-mechanical replacement for our current SATA HD wars/questions/bench races/? Like a flash drive on steroids? Wondering? Best of the Season, Duncan
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
At 06:38 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote: Yep and not usually (if they do they usually come with). I just can't stop thinking that by June they will be twice as big and half the price. I'm guessing you guys run your OS and programs off them? --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:34 PM, Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.orgwrote: do you just plug them in like any drive? do you need anything special to mount them? At 06:04 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote: Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: one not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a magnetic drive is excruciating. They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it feels like that's just the way a computer should have been all along. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:20 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. OK, time for an end-of-the-year stupid question! Is this SSD business the non-mechanical replacement for our current SATA HD wars/questions/bench races/? Like a flash drive on steroids? Wondering? Best of the Season, Duncan
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
I haven't gotten mine yet (Santa) but yes, the idea is you use the SSD as a boot drive. Not many people can afford one big enough to use for apps. Although I have seen a couple of projects that use multiple SSDs in RAID setups, for those with way t much money. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.orgwrote: At 06:38 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote: Yep and not usually (if they do they usually come with). I just can't stop thinking that by June they will be twice as big and half the price. I'm guessing you guys run your OS and programs off them? --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:34 PM, Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.org wrote: do you just plug them in like any drive? do you need anything special to mount them? At 06:04 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote: Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: one not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a magnetic drive is excruciating. They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it feels like that's just the way a computer should have been all along. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:20 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. OK, time for an end-of-the-year stupid question! Is this SSD business the non-mechanical replacement for our current SATA HD wars/questions/bench races/? Like a flash drive on steroids? Wondering? Best of the Season, Duncan
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
Greg, Thanks. Now I know what goes on Santa's list for 2010 Maybe sooner. I've got a machine that may croak its' SATA drive... BEST of the SEASON! Duncan Greg Sevart wrote: Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: one not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a magnetic drive is excruciating. They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it feels like that's just the way a computer should have been all along. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:20 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. OK, time for an end-of-the-year stupid question! Is this SSD business the non-mechanical replacement for our current SATA HD wars/questions/bench races/? Like a flash drive on steroids? Wondering? Best of the Season, Duncan
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
So, in the Intel G2 SSD the one to get? There's a reasonable chance that I'll get one soon for a another new build (for home). Did you get yours at newegg? Greg Sevart wrote: Standard SATA power and data connections. Mounting is easy. Since they have no moving parts, are fairly immune to shock and vibration, and are exceptionally light, a lot of people are just taping them to the sides or bottom of the case. Most of them use the 2.5 form factor and are either 9.5 or 7mm tall. In my case, I bought a cheap 2x 2.5 to 1x 3.5 adapter and put both of my Intel G2 SSDs in the spot for a single 3.5 drive. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 8:35 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. do you just plug them in like any drive? do you need anything special to mount them? At 06:04 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote: Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: one not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a magnetic drive is excruciating. They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it feels like that's just the way a computer should have been all along. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:20 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. OK, time for an end-of-the-year stupid question! Is this SSD business the non-mechanical replacement for our current SATA HD wars/questions/bench races/? Like a flash drive on steroids? Wondering? Best of the Season, Duncan
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
Looks like you can use one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817994064 Brian Weeden wrote: Yep and not usually (if they do they usually come with). --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:34 PM, Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.orgwrote: do you just plug them in like any drive? do you need anything special to mount them? At 06:04 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote: Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: one not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a magnetic drive is excruciating. They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it feels like that's just the way a computer should have been all along. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:20 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. OK, time for an end-of-the-year stupid question! Is this SSD business the non-mechanical replacement for our current SATA HD wars/questions/bench races/? Like a flash drive on steroids? Wondering? Best of the Season, Duncan
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
I found this comment on Newegg: *Cons:* The only thing I can say that will be annoying is that when or if i should ever start seeing performance issues, you are suppose to wipe each of your SSD cards with a software called HDDErase 4.x. But to do this, I'll have to unplug each of my SSD cards from my Raid Controller, connect to my motherboard SATA ports and set the BIOS of my motherboard to SATA-TYPE: IDE. Then run the HDDErase to clean them. This is suppose to reset the SSD drives to the factory defaults. When done reconnect your SSD drives back to your raid-controller and restore an image back onto your HDD. *Other Thoughts:* Although this will be annoying having to reset your SSDs every 3-6 months depending on your usage, we all have to remember this is new technology, and software within the next year should solve these issues eventually. And if that software never comes... ooh well. The speed is totally worth it for me!!! Sounds different, for sure. Can you confirm the need to reset the SSD? Greg Sevart wrote: Standard SATA power and data connections. Mounting is easy. Since they have no moving parts, are fairly immune to shock and vibration, and are exceptionally light, a lot of people are just taping them to the sides or bottom of the case. Most of them use the 2.5 form factor and are either 9.5 or 7mm tall. In my case, I bought a cheap 2x 2.5 to 1x 3.5 adapter and put both of my Intel G2 SSDs in the spot for a single 3.5 drive. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 8:35 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. do you just plug them in like any drive? do you need anything special to mount them? At 06:04 PM 12/18/2009, you wrote: Pretty much. And once you've used a machine that has a good one (read: one not based on a JMicron or Samsung controller), using any machine with a magnetic drive is excruciating. They so vastly improve system responsiveness, yet at the same time, it feels like that's just the way a computer should have been all along. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:20 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. OK, time for an end-of-the-year stupid question! Is this SSD business the non-mechanical replacement for our current SATA HD wars/questions/bench races/? Like a flash drive on steroids? Wondering? Best of the Season, Duncan
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
So is the general thinking that the G2 is good enough or are people waiting for the 3rd gen and full implementation of TRIM from the get-go? Really itching to pull the trigger on one but don't want to get stuck with something that's going to have issues shortly down the road when waiting a few months would've gotten me a much better part with a lots less issues... BINO -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of John R Steinbruner Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:29 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. Yeah, mine is the G2 and I got it from Provantage.. Just ordered an 80 gig G2 SSD for my laptop from the same folks... www.provantage.com http://www.provantage.com/hard-drives-solid-state~67HDRVSS0.htm On Dec 15, 2009, at 9:19 PM, Bino Gopal wrote: Hey looking into this myself (for my laptop actually); which model was this exactly? Is this the G2 version or the G1, and if it's the G2, where did you get it for that price since it's $550 on Newegg currently...?? Reading the anandtech article, it seems like the Intel G2 is the way to go, even with the price premium, though the OCZ Vertex is a close second if you don't mind the smaller size and want to save some cash... BINO -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of John R Steinbruner Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 10:09 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. Yeah, I can see that... I am already being spoiled by the new speed, click on something and bang, there it is The speed is intoxicating, and yet somehow it's like computers should have always been :) On Dec 13, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Greg Sevart wrote: When I rebuilt my home system to move to W7, I switched from a Velociraptor to 2x Intel 80GB G2 SSDs in R0. It's now painful to use any machine with a magnetic primary drive. I was even able to install Visual Studio 2008 in under 2 minutes. Anybody that's ever installed VS2008 knows that's incredible. -- JRS stei...@pacbell.net Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored. -- JRS stei...@pacbell.net Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored.
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
I thought Win7 and the Intel Toolkit fixed that. (Trim) Rick Glazier From: Bino Gopal So is the general thinking that the G2 is good enough or are people waiting for the 3rd gen and full implementation of TRIM from the get-go? Really itching to pull the trigger on one but don't want to get stuck with something that's going to have issues shortly down the road when waiting a few months would've gotten me a much better part with a lots less issues...
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
Yeah, my G2 has the TRIM command in it.. :) On Dec 16, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Rick Glazier wrote: I thought Win7 and the Intel Toolkit fixed that. (Trim) Rick Glazier From: Bino Gopal So is the general thinking that the G2 is good enough or are people waiting for the 3rd gen and full implementation of TRIM from the get-go? Really itching to pull the trigger on one but don't want to get stuck with something that's going to have issues shortly down the road when waiting a few months would've gotten me a much better part with a lots less issues... -- JRS stei...@pacbell.net Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored.
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
Hey looking into this myself (for my laptop actually); which model was this exactly? Is this the G2 version or the G1, and if it's the G2, where did you get it for that price since it's $550 on Newegg currently...?? Reading the anandtech article, it seems like the Intel G2 is the way to go, even with the price premium, though the OCZ Vertex is a close second if you don't mind the smaller size and want to save some cash... BINO -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of John R Steinbruner Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 10:09 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. Yeah, I can see that... I am already being spoiled by the new speed, click on something and bang, there it is The speed is intoxicating, and yet somehow it's like computers should have always been :) On Dec 13, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Greg Sevart wrote: When I rebuilt my home system to move to W7, I switched from a Velociraptor to 2x Intel 80GB G2 SSDs in R0. It's now painful to use any machine with a magnetic primary drive. I was even able to install Visual Studio 2008 in under 2 minutes. Anybody that's ever installed VS2008 knows that's incredible. -- JRS stei...@pacbell.net Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored.
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
Yeah, mine is the G2 and I got it from Provantage.. Just ordered an 80 gig G2 SSD for my laptop from the same folks... www.provantage.com http://www.provantage.com/hard-drives-solid-state~67HDRVSS0.htm On Dec 15, 2009, at 9:19 PM, Bino Gopal wrote: Hey looking into this myself (for my laptop actually); which model was this exactly? Is this the G2 version or the G1, and if it's the G2, where did you get it for that price since it's $550 on Newegg currently...?? Reading the anandtech article, it seems like the Intel G2 is the way to go, even with the price premium, though the OCZ Vertex is a close second if you don't mind the smaller size and want to save some cash... BINO -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of John R Steinbruner Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 10:09 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. Yeah, I can see that... I am already being spoiled by the new speed, click on something and bang, there it is The speed is intoxicating, and yet somehow it's like computers should have always been :) On Dec 13, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Greg Sevart wrote: When I rebuilt my home system to move to W7, I switched from a Velociraptor to 2x Intel 80GB G2 SSDs in R0. It's now painful to use any machine with a magnetic primary drive. I was even able to install Visual Studio 2008 in under 2 minutes. Anybody that's ever installed VS2008 knows that's incredible. -- JRS stei...@pacbell.net Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored. -- JRS stei...@pacbell.net Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored.
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
Hello John, Saturday, December 12, 2009, 11:43:58 PM, you wrote: So OK... The Intel 160 gig SSD finally arrived Friday Next system I build will have at least two of these. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... ...now these points of data make a beautiful line...
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
When I rebuilt my home system to move to W7, I switched from a Velociraptor to 2x Intel 80GB G2 SSDs in R0. It's now painful to use any machine with a magnetic primary drive. I was even able to install Visual Studio 2008 in under 2 minutes. Anybody that's ever installed VS2008 knows that's incredible. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Joe User Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 3:19 PM To: John R Steinbruner Subject: Re: [H] SSD Time. Hello John, Saturday, December 12, 2009, 11:43:58 PM, you wrote: So OK... The Intel 160 gig SSD finally arrived Friday Next system I build will have at least two of these. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... ...now these points of data make a beautiful line...
Re: [H] SSD Time.............
Yeah, I can see that... I am already being spoiled by the new speed, click on something and bang, there it is The speed is intoxicating, and yet somehow it's like computers should have always been :) On Dec 13, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Greg Sevart wrote: When I rebuilt my home system to move to W7, I switched from a Velociraptor to 2x Intel 80GB G2 SSDs in R0. It's now painful to use any machine with a magnetic primary drive. I was even able to install Visual Studio 2008 in under 2 minutes. Anybody that's ever installed VS2008 knows that's incredible. -- JRS stei...@pacbell.net Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored.
[H] SSD Time.............
So OK... The Intel 160 gig SSD finally arrived Friday WinPE and MiniPE would not ghost my old drive to it, the Win7 drive selection was grayed out for some reason.. Finally found a sweet Freeware disk copy program from EaseUS that does sector by sector copies and works with any OS. It's a bootable CD rom image that does internal and external drives just fine. I had my old drive on a USB cable and it found everything just fine and managed 1.5 gigs a minute on the copy even over the somewhat slow USB connection. http://www.easeus.com/disk-copy/ So I ghosted my old (10 months is really not that old) 180 gig VelociRaptor drive to the new one and rebooted... Now this is on my 2 year old Core 2 Duo box, Intel D975XBX2 (BadAxe2) but it still made a big difference... Since it's dual boot, XP/Win7, I get a selection screen after BIOS runs, etc... From hitting Enter on that screen, Windows 7 now boots up in 15 seconds.. Windows XP (lots more stuff loaded into it) boots in 20 seconds 2-3 times faster than before, even when I had a 10K rpm VelociRaptor for the boot drive... Wowza. Not sure if it's worth the 460 bucks for the SSD though since I use the iMac 90 percent of the time anyhow these days. :) But... The times they are a-changin'. This little 2.5 inch SSD only weighs like 2 ounces, and it seemed so small and dinky, almost like a toy... But it is fast and speedy and reliable and even has a 5 year warranty Cheers -- JRS stei...@pacbell.net Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored.