RE: [H] Recommendation on computer build
At 12:55 AM 1/8/2006, AMDSpeed typed: Correct. I don't need film quality material. Likely going to input video using a firewire link from a MiniDV videocam. I guess I'll lean toward the P4 solution. I think I can pick up a P4 chip on ebay for around $100. I can actually use the Celeron in another board that has been collecting dust and sell it off. Will I still be encoding if I were just importing video from a MiniDV camera? I thought the video was already recorded in MPEG format... I know importing from an analog video source would mean very intensive CPU usage. I know DIVX encoding and the like still utilizes quite a bit of cycles from my Athlon 2.2Ghz 64 processor. I was hoping to bypass most of this tediousness by using a MiniDV cam as the source. I've been doing this stuff for years with a Digital8 input to the computer via firewire is digital not analog it's usually in raw format. Now you can have it converted to mpeg2 via software or you could get a Canopus card it'll convert to mpeg2 on the fly. Some of the earlier apps leaned toward using Intel but some of the later ones have started leaning more to the center supporting both Intel AMD processors. In any case I can bet you dollars to donuts that there shall at least be some editing as soon as you touch one frame you're going to have to re-code the video. If it's in the correct format already then this won't take too long but if the video isn't because it's was left in the original format then you'll still have to encode it into mpeg2 not to mention convert that to a DVD's VOB format. Believe me I thought I was just going to do this that but when I got into it there was a whole lot more this that to do. If she's just doing some training videos she may want to consider using an app like p2e [picturestoexe]. This app will convert many different still video formats allowing you to combine them into one video that you can burn on a dvd. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
Re: [H] Recommendation on computer build
At 06:40 PM 1/7/2006, AMDSpeed typed: I'm in the process of building my girlfriend a computer on a budget. She plans on recording interviews with patients using a miniDV camcorder and using the footage to make instructional DVDs and powerpoint presentations. Video processing doing it on a budget is counter intuitive like military intelligence. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
Re: [H] Recommendation on computer build
I think you will find that the P4 3 with HT will work best for this job as long as that board is stable. I have had this setup with a Intel board and it worked great for video editing. The 9600 AIW will do on the fly DVD but I don't think you need that kind of video quality so you may want to reduce it. Of course I prefer Asus over Abit but as long as the Abit board is solid .. But don't get a Prescott ...they run too hot. At 03:40 PM 1/7/2006, you wrote: I'm in the process of building my girlfriend a computer on a budget. She plans on recording interviews with patients using a miniDV camcorder and using the footage to make instructional DVDs and powerpoint presentations. Now, I have an Asus A7N8X with a 2.2Ghz Athlon XP (3200+) on hand. I also have an Abit IS7-V motherboard. It is currently running a Celeron, but I will likely upgrade it to a P4 2.8 or 3 Ghz chip. My question is which platform would be best for this task? Whichever board I choose, it will have 1GB of RAM and an ATI AIW 9600 vid card. So it basically comes down to Intel or AMD for this computer. Thanks.
RE: [H] Recommendation on computer build
Yeah, this won't work out so well. P4 solution will be better then the Athlon XP solution, though it would cost you more (since the other route you have the board + processor). Here's another solution (and think about this) The ATI AIW is still a software-encoding system. So, it takes high CPU. Get a card that does true hardware compression (like an ATI Theater 550 based card, or whatever) as a separate PCI input. Then, you'll get DVD-standardized MPEG captures which will make outputting easy and put very minimal processor load, no matter what you are running. :) -- FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM! Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filter http://mail.giantcompany.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AMDSpeed Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 5:40 PM To: 'The Hardware List' Subject: [H] Recommendation on computer build I'm in the process of building my girlfriend a computer on a budget. She plans on recording interviews with patients using a miniDV camcorder and using the footage to make instructional DVDs and powerpoint presentations. Now, I have an Asus A7N8X with a 2.2Ghz Athlon XP (3200+) on hand. I also have an Abit IS7-V motherboard. It is currently running a Celeron, but I will likely upgrade it to a P4 2.8 or 3 Ghz chip. My question is which platform would be best for this task? Whichever board I choose, it will have 1GB of RAM and an ATI AIW 9600 vid card. So it basically comes down to Intel or AMD for this computer. Thanks.
Re: [H] Recommendation on computer build
The IS7-V (Intel 848P chipset) would, IMO, be a better choice than the A7N8X (NF2). There would, of course, be the extra expense of buying a new chip... - Original Message - From: AMDSpeed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'The Hardware List' hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 5:40 PM Subject: [H] Recommendation on computer build I'm in the process of building my girlfriend a computer on a budget. She plans on recording interviews with patients using a miniDV camcorder and using the footage to make instructional DVDs and powerpoint presentations. Now, I have an Asus A7N8X with a 2.2Ghz Athlon XP (3200+) on hand. I also have an Abit IS7-V motherboard. It is currently running a Celeron, but I will likely upgrade it to a P4 2.8 or 3 Ghz chip. My question is which platform would be best for this task? Whichever board I choose, it will have 1GB of RAM and an ATI AIW 9600 vid card. So it basically comes down to Intel or AMD for this computer. Thanks.
RE: [H] Recommendation on computer build
Here's another solution (and think about this) The ATI AIW is still a software-encoding system. So, it takes high CPU. I had this card on my dual 3.06 Xeon for a year, and it only pulled 12 percent CPU when recording at it's highest level. I eventually moved thtat 9600 AIW over to a P4 3.0 for a short while. I can tell you from experience with your AIW 9600 PRO on a P4 3.0 that it will use under 50 percent CPU when recording DVD quality video. I think it is only about 35 to 40 percent on a P4 3.0. My USB2 Hauppauge pulls 40 percent CPU on a P4 3.4 2meg cache Prescott, and it is quite a bit more CPU intensive then the AIWs. Get a card that does true hardware compression (like an ATI Theater 550 based card, or whatever) as a separate PCI input. Then, you'll get DVD-standardized MPEG captures which will make outputting easy and put very minimal processor load, no matter what you are running. :) -- FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM! Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filter http://mail.giantcompany.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AMDSpeed Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 5:40 PM To: 'The Hardware List' Subject: [H] Recommendation on computer build I'm in the process of building my girlfriend a computer on a budget. She plans on recording interviews with patients using a miniDV camcorder and using the footage to make instructional DVDs and powerpoint presentations. Now, I have an Asus A7N8X with a 2.2Ghz Athlon XP (3200+) on hand. I also have an Abit IS7-V motherboard. It is currently running a Celeron, but I will likely upgrade it to a P4 2.8 or 3 Ghz chip. My question is which platform would be best for this task? Whichever board I choose, it will have 1GB of RAM and an ATI AIW 9600 vid card. So it basically comes down to Intel or AMD for this computer. Thanks.
RE: [H] Recommendation on computer build
BTW, here's what I'm talking about: -- http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2393p=2 CPU utilization wasn't a concern, as all of the tuners ate up less than 7% of our CPU while recording. -- That AIW9600 will kill you in CPU % use.The raw capture without dropping frames is the issue. If you're just going to do the capture, then splice/cut/etc. then if you get a good initial capture, disc-speed will matter as much if not more then processor speed. If, however, you tell me you're going to capture this stuff and start converting it to DiVX or whatever, I'll tell you forget it, go get a dual core X2 ;) But, I think if you're just capturing, cutting/splicing anything you have will work fine - as long as the initial encoding is good. CW -- FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM! Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filter http://mail.giantcompany.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Reeves Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 7:06 PM To: 'The Hardware List' Subject: RE: [H] Recommendation on computer build Yeah, this won't work out so well. P4 solution will be better then the Athlon XP solution, though it would cost you more (since the other route you have the board + processor). Here's another solution (and think about this) The ATI AIW is still a software-encoding system. So, it takes high CPU. Get a card that does true hardware compression (like an ATI Theater 550 based card, or whatever) as a separate PCI input. Then, you'll get DVD-standardized MPEG captures which will make outputting easy and put very minimal processor load, no matter what you are running. :) -- -- -- FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM! Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filter http://mail.giantcompany.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AMDSpeed Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 5:40 PM To: 'The Hardware List' Subject: [H] Recommendation on computer build I'm in the process of building my girlfriend a computer on a budget. She plans on recording interviews with patients using a miniDV camcorder and using the footage to make instructional DVDs and powerpoint presentations. Now, I have an Asus A7N8X with a 2.2Ghz Athlon XP (3200+) on hand. I also have an Abit IS7-V motherboard. It is currently running a Celeron, but I will likely upgrade it to a P4 2.8 or 3 Ghz chip. My question is which platform would be best for this task? Whichever board I choose, it will have 1GB of RAM and an ATI AIW 9600 vid card. So it basically comes down to Intel or AMD for this computer. Thanks.
RE: [H] Recommendation on computer build
At 07:00 PM 1/7/2006, you wrote: OK, but were you recording in .VCR (what it considers it's highest format) or DVD-Compliant MPG2? I was recording MPEG-2 Video 720X480 NTSC(525) 61.76 MB/Minute Audio 48,000KHZ 16 Bit, Stereo This works fine for me. I think you are making too big of a deal about this. I have been working with video back since I had a PCI Matrox G200 Marvel with a optional plug in DVD decoder with a 233MMX. I think anything above a PIII 1GB does a pretty good job with AGP All in Wonder cards, recording DVD on the fly. If you want to re-encode stuff, or edit with special effects, then yeah, faster is better, but if you have a dedicated computer for the job, and you don't care if it takes all night to do the encoding, then a 1GB PIII will do the job. I read that article, and one thing that is missing is any discussion about the signal source. I record mostly from my Cox Digital cable box into the S-Video in... and this alone makes a huge difference in picture quality from recording off the internal AIW tuner. The quality is so much better that I never record anything I want to keep off the AIW turner. But if I thought the 550 had decent driver support, and supported multivew, and made significant real world difference in recording cable broadcasts, then I would buy it. But in my mind there is still a long way to go with these cards and high end video capture products in general. The bottom line is that he is just trying to make a simple instructional video, not a high def movie. Even VCD quality would be Ok for that purpose.
RE: [H] Recommendation on computer build
At 10:30 PM 1/7/2006, Winterlight typed: But in my mind there is still a long way to go with these cards and high end video capture products in general. I guess you haven't looked at high end cards lately as my high def capture card [MyHD MDP-120] requires very little cpu usage since it does all the processing but it captures in streaming mpeg so one has to convert it to mpeg2 with a freeware app hdtvtompeg2.exe and the null packets should be stripped with another freeware app NullPacketStripper these would take a while on a slow machine. The Fusion3 or 5 also take very little CPU while capturing but it's the post processing that takes up the CPU, memory, time. The bottom line is that he is just trying to make a simple instructional video, not a high def movie. Even VCD quality would be Ok for that purpose. As you say tho if that's all the video they want to process both my X800 my last 2 GeForce cards could capture video well enough via S-Video to do this. Nero Vision Express 3 or 4 would do a nice job with capturing, light editing burning it to a disk. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
Re: [H] Recommendation on computer build
I guess you haven't looked at high end cards lately as my high def capture card [MyHD MDP-120] requires very little cpu usage since it does all the processing but it captures in streaming mpeg so one has to convert it to mpeg2 with a freeware app hdtvtompeg2.exe and the null packets should be stripped with another freeware app NullPacketStripper these would take a while on a slow machine. The Fusion3 or 5 also take very little CPU while capturing but it's the post processing that takes up the CPU, memory, time. Have you used these? Having been told they're the best, I am about to pull the trigger on a MDP-130. If the Fusion5 is a decent card, though, I could save some cash by doing that instead. Host capacity isn't a concern--A64 X2 4800+ with 2GB and gobs of storage should be plenty. The big thing that I want is QAM decoding Greg
RE: [H] Recommendation on computer build
Correct. I don't need film quality material. Likely going to input video using a firewire link from a MiniDV videocam. I guess I'll lean toward the P4 solution. I think I can pick up a P4 chip on ebay for around $100. I can actually use the Celeron in another board that has been collecting dust and sell it off. Will I still be encoding if I were just importing video from a MiniDV camera? I thought the video was already recorded in MPEG format... I know importing from an analog video source would mean very intensive CPU usage. I know DIVX encoding and the like still utilizes quite a bit of cycles from my Athlon 2.2Ghz 64 processor. I was hoping to bypass most of this tediousness by using a MiniDV cam as the source. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Winterlight Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 10:30 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: RE: [H] Recommendation on computer build The bottom line is that he is just trying to make a simple instructional video, not a high def movie. Even VCD quality would be Ok for that purpose.
