Re: Question about SVC 109
Really? So I got the SVC 109 half wrong then? Is this correct? SVC routines go from 0 to 255 with 200 to 255 reserved for users. SVC 109 routines 0 through 199 are reserved for IBM use. Otherwise I can go from ... 200 to 9? Why did you say IGXyyxxx? What is the reason for yy vs ? I have to admit that my references here are mostly Cannatello's book plus IBM docs that I can find. Lindy -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert A. Rosenberg Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 5:03 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question about SVC 109 At 21:13 +0100 on 12/21/2006, Lindy Mayfield wrote about Question about SVC 109: Can someone please tell me if I have gotten this right? (: SVC's are numbered from 0 to 255. From 0 to 199 are reserved for IBM use. SVC 109 is basically an SVC that can call an SVC from 0 to 255, and again IBM has reserved 0 - 199 for their own use. This in essence extends the range of SVC's from 256 to 256*2. SVC's called by SVS 109 can only be type-4 SVC's. Why not type-3? Nowdays, I cannot see any differences between type-3 and type-4. Am I missing something? A Type3-SVC has a Module name of IGC00xxx (for SVC XXX with the 3rd X being signed [ie: A-I or X'C0']). A Type4-SVC has the Module Name of IGCyyxxx (XXX is the SVC Number and signed as above while the YY is the module number - 00 is the base module called via SVC XXX while any YY not equal to 00 is called by another IGCyyxxx Module). Most NEW SVCs are single Module and thus in theory Type3 but most old SVCs (Such as OPEN, CLOSE, and others), are still multi-Module and thus Type4. SVC 109 SVCs are all Type4 (even if only one module) but are named IGXyyxxx. You call SVC 109 with yyxxx in R15. Thus if I load F'15245' into R15 and issue a SVC 109 it will link to IGX15245. Note that there are two other SVCs that do the same thing for Type1 and Type2 Extended SVCs. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Receiving Monthley PUT Tapes
Monthly PUT tape subscriptions were made unavailable in September. Instead, use the Internet Service Retrieval function. It took a bit of work to set up (I am not an FTP wizard), but now it works very well. Happy to help you get it set up...contact me offline. Best, BK Kosmach [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: âãé áï àáé [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Receiving Monthley PUT Tapes Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:56:30 +0200 Hi, Does anyone one know if it is possible to receive monthly PUT Tapes? Who should I contact? Gadi -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html _ From photos to predictions, The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes has it all. http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones
With a gross margin on mainframe software around 85%, surely IBM would fall over its own feet if another supplier were to promote z/Architecture in a credible way to new accounts and expand the zArchitecture installed base. T'ain't the way. Right from the beginning, the PCM industry concentrated on intercept selling. Find someone about to buy an IBM box, and try and slip one of ours in under the IBM price. In terms of real lead generation - going out and finding people who hadn't considered a mainframe before - all of the PCMs were pathetic. Well, they made no effort whatsoever. The strategy was always to find existing IBM users and take a deal from IBM. If PSI had taken a view - with their multi-OS product - that they'd address HP-UX users and convert them to z/OS - things might have been different. But the implication was the reverse. I'm actually at a loss to know why IBM tolerated PSI's daft little games for so long. Perhaps they expected PSI's VCs to pull the plug and save them the trouble (and the p/r downside) of a lawsuit, as happened with UMX, and were as surprised as me at the VCs' stupidity. Some VCs set new benchmarks for gullibility - one wonders if any of PSI's backers ever consulted an analyst with current mainframe market experience to valid the basic business plan. 'Cos - IMO - even with software rights the numbers don't work. Sure looks to me like they didn't. Serves them right. PSI's monthly run rate is frightening - with no prospect of any return, ever. I still think there'll be another suit. I cannot believe thatt any VC, presented with a cold light of day analysis of this product's prospects, would have advanced one red cent. And I also remain convinced that IBM has ultimately taken action not because of any perceived threat from the product, but because it's just so pissed off at the quarter by quarter uncertainty generated in the market. Eventually, PSI will implode - it's just taking longer than it really ought to. Between writing this and sending it - cited from the PSI web site: PSI Open Mainframes are the first mainframe servers that can run the z/OS, Linux, Windows and UNIX on a single server foorprint. Bolleaux. Even some configurations of the late unlamented IBM xSeries 430 could do that. Some of PSI's claims really stretch credibility. -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.co.uk +44 7833 654 800 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones
What about the American tradition of presumption of innocence? Tell that to the innocent at Gitmo. On an abstracted issue, raised later in the thread: English law was changed in 1996 to essentially combine libel and slander as defamation. http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1996/1996031.htm It was felt that - with new media - the distinction was hard to maintain - a slanderous (originally, verbal) comment might (with new technology) be recorded, digitised, processed and otherwise recorded for posterity - it therefore had the same legal weight as libel, which was always regarded as permanently recorded and therefore damaging into the indefinite future. But. In order to be defamed you have to have some fame to start with. It really is the literal interpretation - de-faming is the removal of some kind of fame. It gets a lot more complex. And it gets VERY complex with product libel, because the complainant has to prove actual pecuniary loss. Which means not only proving that the alleged libel cost you a deal, but also that the deal you lost would have been profitable - which means opening your company's books to the court. Thank heavens it's Friday, and even the Friday before Christmas. Best to all. -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.co.uk +44 7833 654 800 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones
On 21/12/06 00:54, Phil Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In terms of real lead generation - going out and finding people who hadn't considered a mainframe before - all of the PCMs were pathetic. Well, they made no effort whatsoever. The strategy was always to find existing IBM users and take a deal from IBM. With the possible exception of Universities? I'm thinking Leeds, UMRCC, ULCC in the UK. Nigel -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Question about SVC 109
SVC 109 by itself might be said to consist of just a table which identifies the extended SVC routines. That table is treated the same as a type 2 SVC, being in the nucleus, and having its name formed by the standard nucleus SVC convention of IGC concatenated to the decimal SVC number. The extended SVC routine that a user provides are expected to be in LPA (which is part of the definition of a type 3 / type 4 SVC). Peter Relson z/OS Core Technology Design -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Force ,arm vs. Cancel
An SRB is SCHEDULEd to run either globally (implying no specific address space association) or locally, which means within an address space. I don't think that is a good characterization of the difference between a global SRB and a local SRB. Every SRB regardless of type has a specific address space in which it is given control. For the most part global vs local is a question of priority. It is true that a global SRB does not rely on the priority of its address space to determine when it will be selected. Peter Relson z/OS Core Technology Design -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Question about SVC 109
Hi Peter, Thanks very much for your answers. Perhaps I should be more specific about my questions: What is the range of numbers for an SVC routine that is invoked by SVC 109 that are reserved for IBM use? What is the entire range that can be user-written SVC routines that are invoked by SVC 109? Can a user-written SVC routine invoked by SVC 109 be a type-3 or type-4, or is it only type-4? Surely, if there is a link to the docs that you can point me to where I can read this, I'm happy to do the work myself. (-: I just didn't find it (yet). Happy Holy Days! Lindy -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Relson Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 2:50 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question about SVC 109 SVC 109 by itself might be said to consist of just a table which identifies the extended SVC routines. That table is treated the same as a type 2 SVC, being in the nucleus, and having its name formed by the standard nucleus SVC convention of IGC concatenated to the decimal SVC number. The extended SVC routine that a user provides are expected to be in LPA (which is part of the definition of a type 3 / type 4 SVC). Peter Relson z/OS Core Technology Design -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Question about SVC 109
Authorized Assembler Services Guide - Chapter 25 User-Written SVC Routines Rob Scott Rocket Software, Inc 275 Grove Street Newton, MA 02466 617-614-2305 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rs.com/portfolio/mxi_g2 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lindy Mayfield Sent: 22 December 2006 08:06 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question about SVC 109 Hi Peter, Thanks very much for your answers. Perhaps I should be more specific about my questions: What is the range of numbers for an SVC routine that is invoked by SVC 109 that are reserved for IBM use? What is the entire range that can be user-written SVC routines that are invoked by SVC 109? Can a user-written SVC routine invoked by SVC 109 be a type-3 or type-4, or is it only type-4? Surely, if there is a link to the docs that you can point me to where I can read this, I'm happy to do the work myself. (-: I just didn't find it (yet). Happy Holy Days! Lindy -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Relson Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 2:50 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question about SVC 109 SVC 109 by itself might be said to consist of just a table which identifies the extended SVC routines. That table is treated the same as a type 2 SVC, being in the nucleus, and having its name formed by the standard nucleus SVC convention of IGC concatenated to the decimal SVC number. The extended SVC routine that a user provides are expected to be in LPA (which is part of the definition of a type 3 / type 4 SVC). Peter Relson z/OS Core Technology Design -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Deleting HSM Backups questions
For SMS managed data sets, EXPIREBV uses what is specified in the MGMTCLAS to determine when to delete old backup versions. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Burch Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:58 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Deleting HSM Backups questions David, DELVOL is what I meant when I said I had deleted a number of primary volumes. And, to my understanding, the days parameter for EXPIREBV says to delete only stuff that is *older* than days. The manual says If the age of such a backup version exceeds 'days', the EXPIREBV command deletes it. So my 1000days ought to delete a lot more than would 5000days. BUT! it had been a few weeks since I last looked at our EXPIREBV command that runs every weekend -- now I see that it says only ...(CATalogeddata (366)), *not* UNcatalogeddata. And I see strong evidence that it's been that way since at least 1991! (maybe 1986)Hmmm. I'll just add an UNcat clause. But these, and DELETEIFBACKEDUP, apply to *non*-SMS-managed datasets, and the vast majority of ours have always been SMS-managed. Also I see that our weekendly RECYCLE has been disabled since at least 1999. Guess I'll just give it a few more tries and see what happens. Larry M. Burch City of Albuquerque Albuquerque NM USA 87102 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Deleting HSM Backups questions
I believe the original post mentioned backups with an age of 8000 days or more. That would make them pre-SMS. From: Friske, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 12/22/2006 8:58 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Deleting HSM Backups questions For SMS managed data sets, EXPIREBV uses what is specified in the MGMTCLAS to determine when to delete old backup versions. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Burch Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:58 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Deleting HSM Backups questions David, DELVOL is what I meant when I said I had deleted a number of primary volumes. And, to my understanding, the days parameter for EXPIREBV says to delete only stuff that is *older* than days. The manual says If the age of such a backup version exceeds 'days', the EXPIREBV command deletes it. So my 1000days ought to delete a lot more than would 5000days. BUT! it had been a few weeks since I last looked at our EXPIREBV command that runs every weekend -- now I see that it says only ...(CATalogeddata (366)), *not* UNcatalogeddata. And I see strong evidence that it's been that way since at least 1991! (maybe 1986)Hmmm. I'll just add an UNcat clause. But these, and DELETEIFBACKEDUP, apply to *non*-SMS-managed datasets, and the vast majority of ours have always been SMS-managed. Also I see that our weekendly RECYCLE has been disabled since at least 1999. Guess I'll just give it a few more tries and see what happens. Larry M. Burch City of Albuquerque Albuquerque NM USA 87102 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMF Type 19 and IPL Hang
On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:07:21 -0800, Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you collect SMF Type 19 records, beware that an SMF-initialization-time LSPACE request is issued for every volume connected to the system. If SYSVTOC.volid is held by another system for any significant period of time, an IPLing system will appear to be stuck. This happened to us and we had to wait over half an hour for a full-volume dump (occurring on another system) of a 60K cylinder DASD to finish before SMF would initialize and the IPL could continue. The contention looked like this: ISG343I 08.05.18 GRS STATUS FRAME LAST F E SYS=MVS70 S=SYSTEMS SYSVTOC TIVSM4 SYSNAMEJOBNAME ASID TCBADDR EXC/SHRSTATUS MVS70 DFHSM700026 00BA2E88 EXCLUSIVEOWN MVS60 SMF0018 00BFD0C0 EXCLUSIVEWAIT IBM's suggestion for a fix/workaround/solution? Don't collect SMF Type 19 records. :-( I haven't collected them in I don't know how long due to the impact of LSPACE at SMF interval time. At first I was going to say, don't you get a nip message that asks you if you want to continue and put the reserved volume offline?, but then I realized that you are talking about after nip. So didn't you also get some messages during NIP when it couldn't get to the device? Or do you convert SYSVTOC to a global enq? I assume this was DFDSS and not FDR since FDR doesn't hold the vtoc for the entire dump (by default). You could implement the sample exit for DFDSS (ADRUENQ) that does the same thing (only enq the VTOC at the start of the dump to read it). Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - GITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS and OS390 expert at http://searchDataCenter.com/ateExperts/ Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Receiving Monthley PUT Tapes
Sadly Ed - and despite IBM promoting such services - not yet available on a worldwide basis. I beg to differ and believe ShopzSeries support for ordering service is indeed available worldwide. While it is true that Product ordering is not available in every country, service orders can be submitted by customers everywhere (with few exceptions for embargoed countries). Given the available support for service orders, a required Automated Delivery Certificate can be easily obtained for use by SMP/E Internet Service Retrieval (SMP/E RECEIVE ORDER command). If you find a country that does not have support for service orders by ShopzSeries, please let me know. Kurt Quackenbush -- IBM, SMP/E Development ShopzSeries: http://www.software.ibm.com/ShopzSeries -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMF Type 19 and IPL Hang
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Zelden Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 8:16 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SMF Type 19 and IPL Hang snip I haven't collected them in I don't know how long due to the impact of LSPACE at SMF interval time. At first I was going to say, don't you get a nip message that asks you if you want to continue and put the reserved volume offline?, but then I realized that you are talking about after nip. So didn't you also get some messages during NIP when it couldn't get to the device? Or do you convert SYSVTOC to a global enq? I assume this was DFDSS and not FDR since FDR doesn't hold the vtoc for the entire dump (by default). You could implement the sample exit for DFDSS (ADRUENQ) that does the same thing (only enq the VTOC at the start of the dump to read it). Mark -- Mark Zelden Using the CONCURRENT COPY (CC) parameter on the DUMP command for ADRDSSU will also release the RESERVE on the VTOC. We do this all the time. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Deleting HSM Backups questions
Heck, that almost makes it pre-HSM! :-) Bob Richards -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 9:05 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Deleting HSM Backups questions I believe the original post mentioned backups with an age of 8000 days or more. That would make them pre-SMS. From: Friske, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 12/22/2006 8:58 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Deleting HSM Backups questions For SMS managed data sets, EXPIREBV uses what is specified in the MGMTCLAS to determine when to delete old backup versions. LEGAL DISCLAIMER The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. SunTrust and Seeing beyond money are federally registered service marks of SunTrust Banks, Inc. [ST:XCL] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Trying to switch from 3590J to 3590K tapes.
I believe there is some OAM work to do. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Benik Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 1:13 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Trying to switch from 3590J to 3590K tapes. We are attempting to switch from 3590J(MEDIA3) to 3590K(media4) tapes but HSM is issuing the messages below. We have ejected all the J media scratches and inserted enough of the K media to at least get through tonight. But it's critical that we figure this out before this weekend. CBR4195I LACS retry possible for job HSMS1: 422 IEE763I NAME= CBRLLACS CODE= 140169 CBR4000I LACS MOUNT permanent error for drive 1242. CBR4105I No MEDIA3 scratch volumes available in library IEE764I END OF CBR4195I RELATED MESSAGES Does anybody know if there is additional work to be done to start using the K tapes, as we were told it was a simple switch? It was very simple to switch to K tapes for the backend of a VTS. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMF Type 19 and IPL Hang
I've never worked in a shop where it was tolerable to permit DFDSS to hold the SYSVTOC enq/reserve for the entire length of a dump - and this was on relatively small mod 3 and mod 9 DASD, and not the huge volumes you're talking about. For this reason, I've always had the following in place: ++USERMOD(ADRUENQ) REWORK(2006145) /* */ . ++VER(Z038) FMID(HDZ11K0) . ++SRC(ADRUENQ) DISTLIB(ASAMPLIB) . ADRUENQ CSECT ADRUENQ AMODE 31 ADRUENQ RMODE 24 STM 14,12,12(13) USING ADRUENQ,15 LM14,12,12(13) LA15,4 BR14 END The tradeoffs are described in topic 8.4 Enqueue Installation Exit Routine (ADRUENQ) in manual z/OS DFSMS Installation Exits. Brian On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:07:21 -0800, Edward Jaffe wrote: If you collect SMF Type 19 records, beware that an SMF-initialization-time LSPACE request is issued for every volume connected to the system. If SYSVTOC.volid is held by another system for any significant period of time, an IPLing system will appear to be stuck. This happened to us and we had to wait over half an hour for a full-volume dump (occurring on another system) of a 60K cylinder DASD to finish before SMF would initialize and the IPL could continue. The contention looked like this: ISG343I 08.05.18 GRS STATUS FRAME LAST F E SYS=MVS70 S=SYSTEMS SYSVTOC TIVSM4 SYSNAMEJOBNAME ASID TCBADDR EXC/SHRSTATUS MVS70 DFHSM700026 00BA2E88 EXCLUSIVEOWN MVS60 SMF0018 00BFD0C0 EXCLUSIVEWAIT IBM's suggestion for a fix/workaround/solution? Don't collect SMF Type 19 records. :-( -- Edward E Jaffe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones
With the possible exception of Universities? I'm thinking Leeds, UMRCC, ULCC in the UK. Nyah. Nurdge. Grundle. ULCC would be my most likely admission. There were a very few (3 or 4) Amdahlers who were utterly _PASSIONATE_ supporters of the whole JANET and university networking thing, based down in the office (who's name I've forgotten) off J7 of the M25. Those guys were absolutely commited - they batted well above their average to integrate the Unis. Amdahl threw a few things into the mix. I'd have to say virtualisation - IBM got there first with VM, obviously, but MDF took the concept to a whole new commercial level and - ultimately - forced LPAR-level pricing. Commercially, and ostensibly trivially - Amdahl changed the European market and especially the UK market by not charging for reconfigurations above and beyond the actual field engineering cost. This was a discussion I was part of, in the Doubletree Inn just off 101. The core decision was - should reconfiguration within a customer's assets be a marketing or a service issue? We decided on service - so a customer who owned n processors could move them within the frames owned and pay only the CE time (hours) involved. At that time IBM charged $200,000 to open the doors. British Telecom, once advised of this policy, went _NUTS_. We called it Lego bricks - hardly a week went by without a request to take an engine out of box X and put it in box Y. -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.co.uk +44 7833 654 800 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
PDS QUESTION - JOG MY FAILING MEMORY
I remember that in the past that I could run a command to increase the directory blocks of a pds without having to reallocate the dataset. I would enter the command pds at the side of the dsn (when in option 3.4). Then I would enter command FIXPDS. When the prompt SHOULD THIS DATA SET BE MODIFIED (Y/N) ? I reply Y. At the next prompt ENTER OPTION -- DSN=HESPS02.ISPF.ISPPROF I am not sure what I should respond. Can anybody tell me what I should reply? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
DB2 Table definitions for DCOLLECT Records
I'd like to load my DCOLLECT data into DB2 tables. Has anyone coded up Table definitions and or load cards to match the various record types? I already use MXG on my PC; for this application keeping the process on z/OS will be easier to automate. Thanks for your assistance. Edward Long -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: PDS QUESTION - JOG MY FAILING MEMORY
Willie B of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 12/22/2006 09:49:53 AM: I remember that in the past that I could run a command to increase the directory blocks of a pds without having to reallocate the dataset. I would enter the command pds at the side of the dsn (when in option 3.4). Then I would enter command FIXPDS. When the prompt SHOULD THIS DATA SET BE MODIFIED (Y/N) ? I reply Y. At the next prompt ENTER OPTION -- DSN=HESPS02.ISPF.ISPPROF I am not sure what I should respond. Can anybody tell me what I should reply? ENTER OPTION is the normal prompt for a PDS subcommand. If you want to return to the 3.4 DSLIST just enter END. Regards, John Kalinich Computer Sciences Corp -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: PDS QUESTION - JOG MY FAILING MEMORY
We use FIXPDS in batch only - but our notes indicate the subcommand is EXPANDDIR(nn) - where nn is the number of dirblks to increase. It looks like you can abbreviate it EXP. HTH, Greg Shirey Ben E. Keith Company -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of willie bunter Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 9:50 AM I remember that in the past that I could run a command to increase the directory blocks of a pds without having to reallocate the dataset. I would enter the command pds at the side of the dsn (when in option 3.4). Then I would enter command FIXPDS. When the prompt SHOULD THIS DATA SET BE MODIFIED (Y/N) ? I reply Y. At the next prompt ENTER OPTION -- DSN=HESPS02.ISPF.ISPPROF I am not sure what I should respond. Can anybody tell me what I should reply? As of January 1, 2007, Ben E. Keith Company will no longer accept emails addressed to our bekco.com address. Please change your information for all Ben E. Keith contacts to our new email address, benekeith.com. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: PDS QUESTION - JOG MY FAILING MEMORY
Were you looking for EXPANDDIR(x)? Bob Richards -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John P Kalinich Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: PDS QUESTION - JOG MY FAILING MEMORY Willie B of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 12/22/2006 09:49:53 AM: I remember that in the past that I could run a command to increase the directory blocks of a pds without having to reallocate the dataset. I would enter the command pds at the side of the dsn (when in option 3.4). Then I would enter command FIXPDS. When the prompt SHOULD THIS DATA SET BE MODIFIED (Y/N) ? I reply Y. At the next prompt ENTER OPTION -- DSN=HESPS02.ISPF.ISPPROF I am not sure what I should respond. Can anybody tell me what I should reply? ENTER OPTION is the normal prompt for a PDS subcommand. If you want to return to the 3.4 DSLIST just enter END. LEGAL DISCLAIMER The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. SunTrust and Seeing beyond money are federally registered service marks of SunTrust Banks, Inc. [ST:XCL] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Yes. It worked. Is there a way I can query other options if available? Richards.Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Were you looking for EXPANDDIR(x)? Bob Richards __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMF Type 19 and IPL Hang
I'm not sure if this has been fixed yet, but you also need to explicitly exclude Type 69 records. http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg1OW45020 Don Imbriale -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 6:07 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: SMF Type 19 and IPL Hang If you collect SMF Type 19 records, beware that an SMF-initialization-time LSPACE request is issued for every volume connected to the system. If SYSVTOC.volid is held by another system for any significant period of time, an IPLing system will appear to be stuck. This happened to us and we had to wait over half an hour for a full-volume dump (occurring on another system) of a 60K cylinder DASD to finish before SMF would initialize and the IPL could continue. The contention looked like this: ISG343I 08.05.18 GRS STATUS FRAME LAST F E SYS=MVS70 S=SYSTEMS SYSVTOC TIVSM4 SYSNAMEJOBNAME ASID TCBADDR EXC/SHRSTATUS MVS70 DFHSM700026 00BA2E88 EXCLUSIVEOWN MVS60 SMF0018 00BFD0C0 EXCLUSIVEWAIT IBM's suggestion for a fix/workaround/solution? Don't collect SMF Type 19 records. :-( *** Bear Stearns is not responsible for any recommendation, solicitation, offer or agreement or any information about any transaction, customer account or account activity contained in this communication. *** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: PDS QUESTION - JOG MY FAILING MEMORY
Greg Shirey of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 12/22/2006 10:04:43 AM: We use FIXPDS in batch only - but our notes indicate the subcommand is EXPANDDIR(nn) - where nn is the number of dirblks to increase. It looks like you can abbreviate it EXP. Yes, the full subcommand to expand a directory is FIXPDS EXPANDDIR(nn) or FIX E(nn) if you want to abbreviate. Regards, John K -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: PDS QUESTION - JOG MY FAILING MEMORY
Willie B of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 12/22/2006 10:08:27 AM: Yes. It worked. Is there a way I can query other options if available? There should be a PDS help member in your SYSHELP concatenation. Regards, John K -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: PDS QUESTION - JOG MY FAILING MEMORY
Type O and hit enter. Bob Richards -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of willie bunter Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:08 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: PDS QUESTION - JOG MY FAILING MEMORY Yes. It worked. Is there a way I can query other options if available? Richards.Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Were you looking for EXPANDDIR(x)? LEGAL DISCLAIMER The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. SunTrust and Seeing beyond money are federally registered service marks of SunTrust Banks, Inc. [ST:XCL] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: PDS QUESTION - JOG MY FAILING MEMORY
- Original Message - From: willie bunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:50 AM Subject: PDS QUESTION - JOG MY FAILING MEMORY I remember that in the past that I could run a command to increase the directory blocks of a pds without having to reallocate the dataset. I would enter the command pds at the side of the dsn (when in option 3.4). Then I would enter command FIXPDS. When the prompt SHOULD THIS DATA SET BE MODIFIED (Y/N) ? I reply Y. At the next prompt ENTER OPTION -- DSN=HESPS02.ISPF.ISPPROF I am not sure what I should respond. Can anybody tell me what I should reply? Willie, This is a feature of the PDS product, file 182 at www.cbttape.org. The whole sequence is FIXPDS EXPANDDIR(number of directory blocks to add). You are then shown a list of members that will move to accommodate the new directory blocks and are asked to confirm the operation. If you enter 'Y', the members will be moved, the new directory blocks added, and that's it. You can verify the new directory blocks by entering the USAGE ALL command. Regards, Tom Conley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Now, address linkmvs - resent
On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 17:47:30 -0600, Phil Sidler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't think so, for address linkmvs. You have to
You're right. This only works for 1 parameter as if from a JCL PARM.
Rexx extends this and c doesn't handle multiple PARMS.
So, according the the LE Programming Guide, you should use __osplist for
this. So,
#pragma runopts(PLIST(OS))
struct parm {
short parm_len;
char parm_data[32767]; /* not the real size of the array */
};
int main(int argc, char * argv[]) {
struct parm * parmp;
int parm_idx= 0;
char ts[256];
do {
parmp = (struct parm *) __osplist[parm_idx];
strncpy(ts, parmp-parm_data, MIN(sizeof(ts)-1, parmp-parm_len));
printf(%08X %5d %s\n, parmp, parmp-parm_len, ts);
}
while ( 0 == ((int) __osplist[parm_idx++] 0x8000) );
return(0);
}
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Re: SMF Type 19 and IPL Hang
Mark Zelden wrote: I haven't collected them in I don't know how long due to the impact of LSPACE at SMF interval time. At first I was going to say, don't you get a nip message that asks you if you want to continue and put the reserved volume offline?, but then I realized that you are talking about after nip. So didn't you also get some messages during NIP when it couldn't get to the device? Or do you convert SYSVTOC to a global enq? I assume this was DFDSS and not FDR since FDR doesn't hold the vtoc for the entire dump (by default). You could implement the sample exit for DFDSS (ADRUENQ) that does the same thing (only enq the VTOC at the start of the dump to read it). SYSVTOC is converted. ADRUENQ is a thought. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: PDS QUESTION - JOG MY FAILING MEMORY
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Re: SMF Type 19 and IPL Hang
--snip I've never worked in a shop where it was tolerable to permit DFDSS to hold the SYSVTOC enq/reserve for the entire length of a dump - and this was on relatively small mod 3 and mod 9 DASD, and not the huge volumes you're talking about. For this reason, I've always had the following in place: ++USERMOD(ADRUENQ) REWORK(2006145) /* */ . ++VER(Z038) FMID(HDZ11K0) . ++SRC(ADRUENQ) DISTLIB(ASAMPLIB) . ADRUENQ CSECT ADRUENQ AMODE 31 ADRUENQ RMODE 24 STM 14,12,12(13) USING ADRUENQ,15 LM14,12,12(13) LA15,4 BR14 END The tradeoffs are described in topic 8.4 Enqueue Installation Exit Routine (ADRUENQ) in manual z/OS DFSMS Installation Exits. unsnip Brian, why not eliminate the STM and LM instructions? In this code, they serve no useful purpose, except maybe to expend a small fraction of a second of CPU time. Brian On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:07:21 -0800, Edward Jaffe wrote: If you collect SMF Type 19 records, beware that an SMF-initialization-time LSPACE request is issued for every volume connected to the system. If SYSVTOC.volid is held by another system for any significant period of time, an IPLing system will appear to be stuck. This happened to us and we had to wait over half an hour for a full-volume dump (occurring on another system) of a 60K cylinder DASD to finish before SMF would initialize and the IPL could continue. The contention looked like this: ISG343I 08.05.18 GRS STATUS FRAME LAST F E SYS=MVS70 S=SYSTEMS SYSVTOC TIVSM4 SYSNAMEJOBNAME ASID TCBADDR EXC/SHRSTATUS MVS70 DFHSM700026 00BA2E88 EXCLUSIVEOWN MVS60 SMF0018 00BFD0C0 EXCLUSIVEWAIT IBM's suggestion for a fix/workaround/solution? Don't collect SMF Type 19 records. :-( -- Edward E Jaffe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: PDS QUESTION - JOG MY FAILING MEMORY
willie bunter wrote: I remember that in the past that I could run a command to increase the directory blocks of a pds without having to reallocate the dataset. I would enter the command pds at the side of the dsn (when in option 3.4). Then I would enter command FIXPDS. When the prompt SHOULD THIS DATA SET BE MODIFIED (Y/N) ? I reply Y. At the next prompt ENTER OPTION -- DSN=HESPS02.ISPF.ISPPROF I am not sure what I should respond. Can anybody tell me what I should reply? --unsnip-- The FIXPDS command should have the EXPANDDIR(nnn) Operand, to expand the directory nnn blocks. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Now, address linkmvs - resent
In a recent note, Phil Sidler said:
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:38:42 -0600
#pragma runopts(PLIST(OS))
struct parm {
short parm_len;
char parm_data[32767]; /* not the real size of the array */
};
But this assumes that there's a halfword count field, supplied by
linkmvs but not by linkpgm, and not part of the interface for (e.g.):
o CSNBOWH, etc.
strncpy(ts, parmp-parm_data, MIN(sizeof(ts)-1, parmp-parm_len));
and this assumes the parms contain no binary zero bytes; again
not a safe assumption for:
o CSNBOWH, etc.
o alternate DDNAME lists for utilities.
-- gil
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Re: Now, address linkmvs - resent
For your REXX exec, use this instead of the current linkmvs coding:
cparm = var1' 'var2' 'var3
address linkmvs 'cla2 cparm'
That should pass one parameter to cla2 incorporating the 3 values. I haven't
tried your exact REXX code but I have used the same code in other places
myself.
Bill
On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:24:31 -0700, Steve Comstock
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[re-sent with the correct Reply-to; sorry]
Phil Sidler wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:42:22 -0700, Steve Comstock
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Indeed, I tried what you suggested and got a S0C4
(of course, I could have made some kind of an
error in copying or compiling, etc., but I think
I'm closer to right on this one).
Well, I was a bit cavalier in thinking I code code this by hand w/o
testing it.
But this does work:
int main(int argc, char * argv[]) {
int i;
for (i=1; iargc; i++)
printf(%s , argv[i]);
return(0);
}
I don't think so, for address linkmvs. You have to
invoke it from a REXX exec. Here's a simple exec to
use for testing:
/* rexx for testing address linkmvs */
var1 = 'one of these days'
var2 = 'two is a yellow number'
var3 = 'three or more holidays'
'ispexec libdef ispllib id(_name of loadlib with pgm_)
dataset stack'
address linkmvs cla2 'var1 var2 var3'
'ispexec libdef ispllib'
--
You need the LIBDEF unless you've compiled
and bound the program into a steplib used by
your TSO session or the link pack area or the
linklist.
Kind regards,
-Steve Comstock
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Max Allocation w/ Space= DD
Hi, What's the max number of cyl's you can specify for primary/secondary allocations ? I have mod-9's in an SMS pool and tried SPACE=(CYL,(4000,4000),RLSE) and received an E37-00 Extend failed 04034379. The 4379 (17273 dec) says, Allocation failed for all volumes selected for the data set. I searched some of the manuals and can't seem to locate anything. Then again it was our Holiday Party last night, and the fog is a bit thick today. TIA Happy Holidays to All. Dean Dean Montevago Sr. Systems Specialist Visiting Nurse Service of New York (212) 609 - 5596 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones
On 22/12/06 15:22, Phil Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At that time IBM charged $200,000 to open the doors. British Telecom, once advised of this policy, went _NUTS_. We called it Lego bricks - hardly a week went by without a request to take an engine out of box X and put it in box Y. And a wonderful company called Enterprise Computer Services made a very good living for a number of years upgrading, downgrading, and crossgrading 3090s, by doing just that with IBM's engines. Made much easier once a good late friend and colleague had essentially hacked the VM system that was the 3090 console. Nigel -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Now, address linkmvs - resent
On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:10:57 -0700, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
In a recent note, Phil Sidler said:
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:38:42 -0600
#pragma runopts(PLIST(OS))
struct parm {
short parm_len;
char parm_data[32767]; /* not the real size of the array */
};
But this assumes that there's a halfword count field, supplied by
linkmvs but not by linkpgm, and not part of the interface for (e.g.):
o CSNBOWH, etc.
strncpy(ts, parmp-parm_data, MIN(sizeof(ts)-1, parmp-parm_len));
and this assumes the parms contain no binary zero bytes; again
not a safe assumption for:
o CSNBOWH, etc.
o alternate DDNAME lists for utilities.
I suppose I should have quoted more of the thread. The question was about
about linkmvs which does set the length field (linkpgm was discussed
earlier) and the problem was to printf the parms. So, yes, this isn't a
general solution.
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Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD
Hi Dean, The first extent must be able to be allocated on one volume with a maximum of 5 extents. One of the volumes in the pool would have to have 4000 cylinder in a block or be able to get it in 4 additions. HTH Regards, Herman Stocker avis budget group Phone:1973-496-4847 fax:1973-496-8201 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Montevago Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 12:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD Hi, What's the max number of cyl's you can specify for primary/secondary allocations ? I have mod-9's in an SMS pool and tried SPACE=(CYL,(4000,4000),RLSE) and received an E37-00 Extend failed 04034379. The 4379 (17273 dec) says, Allocation failed for all volumes selected for the data set. I searched some of the manuals and can't seem to locate anything. Then again it was our Holiday Party last night, and the fog is a bit thick today. TIA Happy Holidays to All. Dean Dean Montevago Sr. Systems Specialist Visiting Nurse Service of New York (212) 609 - 5596 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. The sender's employer is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones
I'm just guessing but 85% gross margin seems way too high. At 85%, the customers would be throwing a royal fit and the FTC would be sharpening their fangs to take another huge bite out of IBM. 15% is probably more likely. Besides, the real profit comes from software. IBM could give the hardware away and still make a huge profit on software licensing. --- On Wed 12/20, Phil Payne lt; [EMAIL PROTECTED] gt; wrote:From: Phil Payne [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 00:54:15 -Subject: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clonesWith a gross margin on mainframe software around 85%, surely IBM would fall over its own feetif another supplier were to promote z/Architecture in a credible way to new accounts andexpand the zArchitecture installed base.T'ain't the way. Right from the beginning, the PCM industry concentrated on interceptselling. Find someone about to buy an IBM box, and try and slip one of ours in under the IBMprice.In terms of real lead generation - going out and finding people who hadn't considered amainframe before - all of the PCMs were pathetic. Well, they made no effort whatsoever. Thestrategy was always to find existing IBM users and take a deal from IBM.If PSI had taken a view - with their multi-OS product - that they'd address HP-UX users andconvert them to z/OS - things might have been different. But the implication was the reverse.I'm actually at a loss to know why IBM tolerated PSI's daft little games for so long. Perhapsthey expected PSI's VCs to pull the plug and save them the trouble (and the p/r downside) of alawsuit, as happened with UMX, and were as surprised as me at the VCs' stupidity. Some VCsset new benchmarks for gullibility - one wonders if any of PSI's backers ever consulted ananalyst with current mainframe market experience to valid the basic business plan. 'Cos -IMO - even with software rights the numbers don't work. Sure looks to me like they didn't.Serves them right. PSI's monthly run rate is frightening - with no prospect of any return,ever.I still think there'll be another suit. I cannot believe thatt any VC, presented with a coldlight of day analysis of this product's prospects, would have advanced one red cent.And I also remain convinced that IBM has ultimately taken action not because of any perceivedthreat from the product, but because it's just so pissed off at the quarter by quarteruncertainty generated in the market. Eventually, PSI will implode - it's just taking longerthan it really ought to.Between writing this and sending it - cited from the PSI web site:PSI Open Mainframes are the first mainframe servers that can run the z/OS, Linux, Windows andUNIX on a single server foorprint.Bolleaux. Even some configurations of the late unlamented IBM xSeries 430 could do that.Some of PSI's claims really stretch credibility.-- Phil Paynehttp://www.isham-research.co.uk+44 7833 654 800--For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFOSearch the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM-MAIN Digest - 17 Dec 2006 to 18 Dec 2006 (#2006-353)
Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: (after someone else wrote) Only if you want to match up with the vendor numbers. ;). Disk x-bytes are always in multiples of 10 instead of powers of 2 Always is a long time. There is no industry standard; even a unit of 2^10*10^3 is or was common. For disks with 512 byte, or other power of two, fixed block size that makes some sense. Otherwise, the 3330 is just over 100,000,000 bytes at full track blocks. I guess the vendors wanted the numbers to look bigger. I believe so, driven by the marketing department. No, for that they gave the unformatted[1] capacity. For drives without a built in controller (formatter) that makes some sense. 1.44M floppies are still called 2M (unformatted). (One could always write full track blocks, and use all that space.) When SCSI and IDE drives with built in formatter and preformatted at 512 byte blocks came out, it made somewhat less sense. It used to be common for the model number to be based on the unformatted size. The ST506 and ST412 are 5MB and 10MB drives, respectively, with unformatted capacity of 6MB and 12MB. [1] Low level, not file system. -- glen -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
In praise of Cobol - ZDNet UK
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Re: IBM-MAIN Digest - 17 Dec 2006 to 18 Dec 2006 (#2006-353)
(snip on instruction fetch vs. execution exceptions) one of the reasons that 360/67 had an 8-entry associative array (dlat, tlb, etc) ... was the worse case for EXECXUTE of SS instructions required eight different page addresses. EX (execute) of another instruction 2 pages - instruction start and end (crossing page boundary) target (SS) instruction 2 pages - instruction start and end (crossing page boundary) 2 pages - operand1 start and end (crossing page boundary) 2 pages - operand2 start and end (crossing page boundary) I believe it is something like 53 for VAX. First, page tables are paged (in a different address space, but still using TLB entries), and there are instructions up to six addresses, any and all of which could cross a page boundary. -- glen -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD
Thanks Herman. The volumes are empty, 10,000 free on each ?? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stocker, Herman Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 12:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD Hi Dean, The first extent must be able to be allocated on one volume with a maximum of 5 extents. One of the volumes in the pool would have to have 4000 cylinder in a block or be able to get it in 4 additions. HTH Regards, Herman Stocker avis budget group Phone:1973-496-4847 fax:1973-496-8201 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Montevago Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 12:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD Hi, What's the max number of cyl's you can specify for primary/secondary allocations ? I have mod-9's in an SMS pool and tried SPACE=(CYL,(4000,4000),RLSE) and received an E37-00 Extend failed 04034379. The 4379 (17273 dec) says, Allocation failed for all volumes selected for the data set. I searched some of the manuals and can't seem to locate anything. Then again it was our Holiday Party last night, and the fog is a bit thick today. TIA Happy Holidays to All. Dean Dean Montevago Sr. Systems Specialist Visiting Nurse Service of New York (212) 609 - 5596 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. The sender's employer is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Listcat Volume under z/OS 1.8
Has anyone come across this... We are issuing in Batch LISTCAT LEVEL(SYSOPC) - VOLUME Under z/OS 1.7 this runs fine and has for years with a return code of zero from Idcams. Under z/OS 1.8 we get a return code of 08 if we use the ALL option then we get a return code of zero under z/OS 1.8. We are trying to determine is this a bug or new feature? We cant seem to locate anything in the migration guide and dont remember anything at Expo about this. Anyone one of any ideas? Thanks Andy Internet: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The information contained in this message may be CONFIDENTIAL and is for the intended addressee only. Any unauthorized use, dissemination of the information, or copying of this message is prohibited. If you are not the intended addressee, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD
I seem to remember that if the dataset is allocated as extended format, it will be limited to 4GB's on a single volume. Or is it 4GB's total when not extended format 4GB's per volume if it is? Time to hit the manuals again - this getting old is not for the weak. // Hi, What's the max number of cyl's you can specify for primary/secondary allocations ? I have mod-9's in an SMS pool and tried SPACE=(CYL,(4000,4000),RLSE) and received an E37-00 Extend failed 04034379. The 4379 (17273 dec) says, Allocation failed for all volumes selected for the data set. I searched some of the manuals and can't seem to locate anything. Then again it was our Holiday Party last night, and the fog is a bit thick today. TIA Happy Holidays to All. Dean ** This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, forwarding or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof. Thank you. ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD
This is from th DC: Data Set Name Type . . . : If Extended . . . . . . : Extended Addressability : NO Record Access Bias . . : Space Constraint Relief . : YES Reduce Space Up To (%) : 0 Dynamic Volume Count . : 10 Compaction . . . . . . . : YES I'm RTFM also.. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darth Keller Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 12:58 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD I seem to remember that if the dataset is allocated as extended format, it will be limited to 4GB's on a single volume. Or is it 4GB's total when not extended format 4GB's per volume if it is? Time to hit the manuals again - this getting old is not for the weak. // Hi, What's the max number of cyl's you can specify for primary/secondary allocations ? I have mod-9's in an SMS pool and tried SPACE=(CYL,(4000,4000),RLSE) and received an E37-00 Extend failed 04034379. The 4379 (17273 dec) says, Allocation failed for all volumes selected for the data set. I searched some of the manuals and can't seem to locate anything. Then again it was our Holiday Party last night, and the fog is a bit thick today. TIA Happy Holidays to All. Dean ** This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, forwarding or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof. Thank you. ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD
This is from th DC: Data Set Name Type . . . : If Extended . . . . . . : Extended Addressability : NO Record Access Bias . . : Space Constraint Relief . : YES Reduce Space Up To (%) : 0 Dynamic Volume Count . : 10 Compaction . . . . . . . : YES So no Extended Addressability - I'm pretty sure 4GB's is the limiting factor here. Do you have an extended format dataclas you can assign it? ** This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, forwarding or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof. Thank you. ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones
Nigel Hadfield wrote: And a wonderful company called Enterprise Computer Services made a very good living for a number of years upgrading, downgrading, and crossgrading 3090s, by doing just that with IBM's engines. Made much easier once a good late friend and colleague had essentially hacked the VM system that was the 3090 console. i.e. 3090 service processor was a modified version of vm370 release 6 running on a pair of 4361 processors, most of the screens/menus written in IOS3270. Part of this was the result of the experience with the 3081 service processor where all of the software was totally written from scratch (trying to get to some amount of off-the-shelf stuff). minor folklore ... my dumprx was selected for use as diagnostic support for the 3090 service processor ... in the early 80s, i had (re-)implemented large superset of IPCS function totally in rexx http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#dumprx ... topic drift, a couple recent postings mentioning vm370 release 6 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006b.html#2 Mount a tape http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006t.html#24 CMSBACK http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#25 To RISC or not to RISC ... for other drift ... this is crudely HTML'ed version of GCARD IOS3270 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/gcard.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD
In a message dated 12/22/2006 12:01:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm RTFM also.. 52K/Track, 15 Tracks/Cyl 52*15 K/Cyl = 780 k/cYL 4gb/780 K/cyl = 4*10**9/780*10**3 cyl = 4/780*10**6 cYLS = 400/780*10**4 = 5128 CYLS Guess we need a simple BR14 PROC //MYBR PROC UNAME=3390B,DSN=TEMP,UPRI=2000,USEC=0,UDIR=0), // URECFM=FB,LRECL=133,BLKSIZE=0,DSORG=PS) //STEP1 EXEC PGM=IEFBR14 //DD1DD UNIT=UNAME,DSN=UNAME,SPACE=(CYL,(UPRI,USEC,UDIR)), // DCB=(RECFM=URECFM,LRECL=URECL,BLKSIZE=UBLK,DSORG=UORG) // END Then //S1 EXEC MYBR //S2 EXEC MYBR,UPRI=3000 //S3 EXEC MYBR,UPRI=4000 //S4 EXEC MYBR,UPRI=5000 //S4 EXEC MYBR UPRI=5000 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Montevago Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:12 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD Hi, What's the max number of cyl's you can specify for primary/secondary allocations ? I have mod-9's in an SMS pool and tried SPACE=3D(CYL,(4000,4000),RLSE) and received an E37-00 Extend failed 04034379. The 4379 (17273 dec) says, Allocation failed for all volumes selected for the data set. I searched some of the manuals and can't seem to locate anything. Then again it was our Holiday Party last night, and the fog is a bit thick today. TIA Happy Holidays to All. Dean=20 SNIP From my z/OS 1.7 JCL REF: - The size of a data set is limited to 65,535 tracks per volume except for the following types of data sets: - Hierarchical File System (HFS) - Extended format sequential - Partitioned data set extended (PDSE) - VSAM - Large format - There is also LBI (Large Block Interface), and if this bit is turned on (in the Format 1 DSCB?), then it may also exceed the 65,535 (64K) Track limitation. Note this is MAX tracks on A VOLUME, period (that's all primary and secondary extents combined). Now, with SMS and DSNTYPE=LARGE, etc., the 64K track limitation is removed (as listed above). Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD
The brain can't digest this today..to many asterisks. I changed the allocation to 2,000/1,000 the job ran. The file created was 9,630 cyls. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Finnell Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 1:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD In a message dated 12/22/2006 12:01:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm RTFM also.. 52K/Track, 15 Tracks/Cyl 52*15 K/Cyl = 780 k/cYL 4gb/780 K/cyl = 4*10**9/780*10**3 cyl = 4/780*10**6 cYLS = 400/780*10**4 = 5128 CYLS Guess we need a simple BR14 PROC //MYBR PROC UNAME=3390B,DSN=TEMP,UPRI=2000,USEC=0,UDIR=0), // URECFM=FB,LRECL=133,BLKSIZE=0,DSORG=PS) //STEP1 EXEC PGM=IEFBR14 //DD1DD UNIT=UNAME,DSN=UNAME,SPACE=(CYL,(UPRI,USEC,UDIR)), // DCB=(RECFM=URECFM,LRECL=URECL,BLKSIZE=UBLK,DSORG=UORG) // END Then //S1 EXEC MYBR //S2 EXEC MYBR,UPRI=3000 //S3 EXEC MYBR,UPRI=4000 //S4 EXEC MYBR,UPRI=5000 //S4 EXEC MYBR UPRI=5000 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD
The largest a non-extended dataset on a volume is limited by a two by track field. Therefore the largest is 2**16 tracks or 65536 tracks or maybe one less. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Finnell Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 12:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject:Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD In a message dated 12/22/2006 12:01:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm RTFM also.. 52K/Track, 15 Tracks/Cyl 52*15 K/Cyl = 780 k/cYL 4gb/780 K/cyl = 4*10**9/780*10**3 cyl = 4/780*10**6 cYLS = 400/780*10**4 = 5128 CYLS Guess we need a simple BR14 PROC //MYBR PROC UNAME=3390B,DSN=TEMP,UPRI=2000,USEC=0,UDIR=0), // URECFM=FB,LRECL=133,BLKSIZE=0,DSORG=PS) //STEP1 EXEC PGM=IEFBR14 //DD1DD UNIT=UNAME,DSN=UNAME,SPACE=(CYL,(UPRI,USEC,UDIR)), // DCB=(RECFM=URECFM,LRECL=URECL,BLKSIZE=UBLK,DSORG=UORG) // END Then //S1 EXEC MYBR //S2 EXEC MYBR,UPRI=3000 //S3 EXEC MYBR,UPRI=4000 //S4 EXEC MYBR,UPRI=5000 //S4 EXEC MYBR UPRI=5000 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD
When I try and allocate the file 4000/4000 cyl the allocation turns out to be 1/4000 cyl. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Bass Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 2:16 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD The largest a non-extended dataset on a volume is limited by a two by track field. Therefore the largest is 2**16 tracks or 65536 tracks or maybe one less. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Finnell Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 12:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject:Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD In a message dated 12/22/2006 12:01:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm RTFM also.. 52K/Track, 15 Tracks/Cyl 52*15 K/Cyl = 780 k/cYL 4gb/780 K/cyl = 4*10**9/780*10**3 cyl = 4/780*10**6 cYLS = 400/780*10**4 = 5128 CYLS Guess we need a simple BR14 PROC //MYBR PROC UNAME=3390B,DSN=TEMP,UPRI=2000,USEC=0,UDIR=0), // URECFM=FB,LRECL=133,BLKSIZE=0,DSORG=PS) //STEP1 EXEC PGM=IEFBR14 //DD1DD UNIT=UNAME,DSN=UNAME,SPACE=(CYL,(UPRI,USEC,UDIR)), // DCB=(RECFM=URECFM,LRECL=URECL,BLKSIZE=UBLK,DSORG=UORG) // END Then //S1 EXEC MYBR //S2 EXEC MYBR,UPRI=3000 //S3 EXEC MYBR,UPRI=4000 //S4 EXEC MYBR,UPRI=5000 //S4 EXEC MYBR UPRI=5000 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD
The size of a data set is limited to 65,535 tracks per volume except for the following types of data sets: - Hierarchical File System (HFS) - Extended format sequential - Partitioned data set extended (PDSE) - VSAM - Large format - There is also LBI (Large Block Interface), and if this bit is turned on (in the Format 1 DSCB?), then it may also exceed the 65,535 (64K) Track limitation. You copied it slightly wrong. the last line should be - VSAM - Large Format the last one is the key. In z/OS 1.7, they introduced Large Format sequential datasets, which work even on non-SMS volumes. You request with DSNTYPE=LARGE in JCL or the data class. In this format, a normal sequential dataset can exceed 65,535 tracks on a volume, up to the volume size. Some things, like NOTE and POINT are affected but most programs don't use them. I imagine that this is what you meant by LBI, which is actually something quite different (large blocks on TAPE, nothing to do with disk). -- Bruce Black Senior Software Developer Innovation Data Processing -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD
Bruce Black wrote: The size of a data set is limited to 65,535 tracks per volume except for the following types of data sets: - Hierarchical File System (HFS) - Extended format sequential - Partitioned data set extended (PDSE) - VSAM - Large format - There is also LBI (Large Block Interface), and if this bit is turned on (in the Format 1 DSCB?), then it may also exceed the 65,535 (64K) Track limitation. You copied it slightly wrong. the last line should be - VSAM - Large Format the last one is the key. In z/OS 1.7, they introduced Large Format sequential datasets, which work even on non-SMS volumes. You request with DSNTYPE=LARGE in JCL or the data class. In this format, a normal sequential dataset can exceed 65,535 tracks on a volume, up to the volume size. Some things, like NOTE and POINT are affected but most programs don't use them. I imagine that this is what you meant by LBI, which is actually something quite different (large blocks on TAPE, nothing to do with disk). In fact, my first guess was 64k track limit, but 4000 CYL is 6 tracks. That's less than 64k. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD
Can anybody comment on this: I specify 4000/4000cyl and z/OS allocates 1/4000cyl. The info you guys provided has been very helpful but I don't understand why I'm getting this -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 2:48 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD Bruce Black wrote: The size of a data set is limited to 65,535 tracks per volume except for the following types of data sets: - Hierarchical File System (HFS) - Extended format sequential - Partitioned data set extended (PDSE) - VSAM - Large format - There is also LBI (Large Block Interface), and if this bit is turned on (in the Format 1 DSCB?), then it may also exceed the 65,535 (64K) Track limitation. You copied it slightly wrong. the last line should be - VSAM - Large Format the last one is the key. In z/OS 1.7, they introduced Large Format sequential datasets, which work even on non-SMS volumes. You request with DSNTYPE=LARGE in JCL or the data class. In this format, a normal sequential dataset can exceed 65,535 tracks on a volume, up to the volume size. Some things, like NOTE and POINT are affected but most programs don't use them. I imagine that this is what you meant by LBI, which is actually something quite different (large blocks on TAPE, nothing to do with disk). In fact, my first guess was 64k track limit, but 4000 CYL is 6 tracks. That's less than 64k. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
OSA-ICC Dedicated Network Switches ?
The OSA-Express Integrated Console Controller Inplementation Guide Redbook recommends two dedicated network switches for two Private console LANs. Did you provide two dedicated switches? One dedicated switch and one networked LAN switch? Two networked LAN switches? If you dedicated nework switches, then it seems like you also need separate power circuits for each switch and at least two console workstations need to be on different power circuits also. What is the most common practice? I am trying to balance cost and ease with good console reliability. Thanks Mark -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD
Is the dataset sms managed and assigned to a management class with release = Y? From: Dean Montevago [Sent: Fri 12/22/2006 2:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD Can anybody comment on this: I specify 4000/4000cyl and z/OS allocates 1/4000cyl. The info you guys provided has been very helpful but I don't understand why I'm getting this -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Montevago Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 1:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD Can anybody comment on this: I specify 4000/4000cyl and z/OS allocates 1/4000cyl. The info you guys provided has been very helpful but I don't understand why I'm getting this SNIP How much space is available on the VOL? How many extents are needed to meet the 4000 primary request? If it can't be met, you will fail allocation. Also, what z/OS are you running? Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD
yes, no. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 2:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD Is the dataset sms managed and assigned to a management class with release = Y? From: Dean Montevago [Sent: Fri 12/22/2006 2:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD Can anybody comment on this: I specify 4000/4000cyl and z/OS allocates 1/4000cyl. The info you guys provided has been very helpful but I don't understand why I'm getting this -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD
Post the jcl you're using to create the file. From: Dean Montevago [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 12/22/2006 2:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD yes, no. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 2:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD Is the dataset sms managed and assigned to a management class with release = Y? From: Dean Montevago [Sent: Fri 12/22/2006 2:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD Can anybody comment on this: I specify 4000/4000cyl and z/OS allocates 1/4000cyl. The info you guys provided has been very helpful but I don't understand why I'm getting this -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Listcat Volume under z/OS 1.8
LISTCAT LEVEL(SYSOPC) - VOLUME Under z/OS 1.7 this runs fine and has for years with a return code of zero from Idcams. Under z/OS 1.8 we get a return code of 08 if we use the ALL option then we get a return code of zero under z/OS 1.8. We are trying to determine is this a bug or new feature? I thought I had reproduced your problem on my 1.8 system but it turned out that the level I chose had errors in it (datasets in the catalog but not on the volume. When I ran it on a level with no errors it ended with CC=0. Scan your lisitng for error messages: try FIND P'IDC###' If there are no errrors but you are still getting the CC=4, you have a bug; opne a PMR with IBM -- Bruce Black Senior Software Developer Innovation Data Processing -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD
In fact, my first guess was 64k track limit, but 4000 CYL is 6 tracks. That's less than 64k. Check the OP. His allocaiton of 4000 cyls worked, but the EXTEND to another 4000 cyls fails because of the 64K limit -- Bruce Black Senior Software Developer Innovation Data Processing -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD
z/OS 1.4 There are 14 volumes in the pool 12 mod-3's, 2-mod-9's. When the job is submited both 9's are empty 10,000+ cyls one extent, the other volumes in the pool have anywhere between 200 1000 cyls free. The longer this drags out, the more I feel I'm not doing something right... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thompson, Steve (SCI TW) Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 2:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Montevago Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 1:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD Can anybody comment on this: I specify 4000/4000cyl and z/OS allocates 1/4000cyl. The info you guys provided has been very helpful but I don't understand why I'm getting this SNIP How much space is available on the VOL? How many extents are needed to meet the 4000 primary request? If it can't be met, you will fail allocation. Also, what z/OS are you running? Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD
Here it is: //STEP02 EXEC PGM=IFASMFDP,REGION=6M //*DD DISP=SHR,DSN=PROD.SMF.MVSP.WEEKLY(+0) //DUMPIN DD DISP=SHR,DSN=PROD.SMF.MVSP.DAILY.G0001V00 // DD DISP=SHR,DSN=PROD.SMF.MVST.DAILY.G0001V00 //DUMPOUT DD DSN=PROD.MVSP.SMFDAY, //DISP=(NEW,CATLG,DELETE), //UNIT=SYSDA, //SPACE=(CYL,(4000,4000),RLSE), //DCB=(BLKSIZE=0,LRECL=32760,RECFM=VBS) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 2:58 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD Post the jcl you're using to create the file. From: Dean Montevago [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 12/22/2006 2:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD yes, no. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 2:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD Is the dataset sms managed and assigned to a management class with release = Y? From: Dean Montevago [Sent: Fri 12/22/2006 2:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD Can anybody comment on this: I specify 4000/4000cyl and z/OS allocates 1/4000cyl. The info you guys provided has been very helpful but I don't understand why I'm getting this -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD
Look up RLSE in the jcl reference manual. From: Dean Montevago [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 12/22/2006 3:07 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD Here it is: //STEP02 EXEC PGM=IFASMFDP,REGION=6M //*DD DISP=SHR,DSN=PROD.SMF.MVSP.WEEKLY(+0) //DUMPIN DD DISP=SHR,DSN=PROD.SMF.MVSP.DAILY.G0001V00 // DD DISP=SHR,DSN=PROD.SMF.MVST.DAILY.G0001V00 //DUMPOUT DD DSN=PROD.MVSP.SMFDAY, //DISP=(NEW,CATLG,DELETE), //UNIT=SYSDA, //SPACE=(CYL,(4000,4000),RLSE), //DCB=(BLKSIZE=0,LRECL=32760,RECFM=VBS) -Original Message- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD
On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:52:29 -0500, Dean Montevago [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anybody comment on this: I specify 4000/4000cyl and z/OS allocates 1/4000cyl. The info you guys provided has been very helpful but I don't understand why I'm getting this It sounds like the dataset has used the 1st 4000 cylinders and needs to go into a secondary extent. Another 4000 cylinders takes the dataset past the 65525 trks/volume limit for normal datasets. You could try using more volumes, for example UNIT=(SYSDA,2) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD
Sorry, that was terse even for me //SPACE=(CYL,(4000,4000)), That should give you a 4000 cyl allocation. From: O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] Sent: Fri 12/22/2006 3:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD Look up RLSE in the jcl reference manual. From: Dean Montevago [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 12/22/2006 3:07 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD Here it is: //STEP02 EXEC PGM=IFASMFDP,REGION=6M //*DD DISP=SHR,DSN=PROD.SMF.MVSP.WEEKLY(+0) //DUMPIN DD DISP=SHR,DSN=PROD.SMF.MVSP.DAILY.G0001V00 // DD DISP=SHR,DSN=PROD.SMF.MVST.DAILY.G0001V00 //DUMPOUT DD DSN=PROD.MVSP.SMFDAY, //DISP=(NEW,CATLG,DELETE), //UNIT=SYSDA, //SPACE=(CYL,(4000,4000),RLSE), //DCB=(BLKSIZE=0,LRECL=32760,RECFM=VBS) -Original Message- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD
I thought that came into play at dataset close, meaning the operation was successful and the system is releasing the unused space. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 3:10 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD Look up RLSE in the jcl reference manual. From: Dean Montevago [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 12/22/2006 3:07 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD Here it is: //STEP02 EXEC PGM=IFASMFDP,REGION=6M //*DD DISP=SHR,DSN=PROD.SMF.MVSP.WEEKLY(+0) //DUMPIN DD DISP=SHR,DSN=PROD.SMF.MVSP.DAILY.G0001V00 // DD DISP=SHR,DSN=PROD.SMF.MVST.DAILY.G0001V00 //DUMPOUT DD DSN=PROD.MVSP.SMFDAY, //DISP=(NEW,CATLG,DELETE), //UNIT=SYSDA, //SPACE=(CYL,(4000,4000),RLSE), //DCB=(BLKSIZE=0,LRECL=32760,RECFM=VBS) -Original Message- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD
Didn't Dave mention the Dataclass assignment had SCR=YES and a DVC=10? If so, he already has a 10 volume candidate list. Terry Traylor charlesSCHWAB TIS Mainframe Storage Management Remedy Queue: tis-ds-mainframe storage (602) 977-5154 WARNING: All email sent to or from this address will be received by the Charles Schwab corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival and review by someone other than the recipient. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Sidler Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 1:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:52:29 -0500, Dean Montevago [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anybody comment on this: I specify 4000/4000cyl and z/OS allocates 1/4000cyl. The info you guys provided has been very helpful but I don't understand why I'm getting this It sounds like the dataset has used the 1st 4000 cylinders and needs to go into a secondary extent. Another 4000 cylinders takes the dataset past the 65525 trks/volume limit for normal datasets. You could try using more volumes, for example UNIT=(SYSDA,2) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
IEFUSI for a Newbie
I know the archives are riddled with posts about IEFUSI but I was hoping I could get some recommendations from others for implementing this exit. We have many user jobs coded with Region=0m and have never had any issues but it sounds like activating IEFUSI would be a good safety precaution. I've looked at the sample provided by IBM and have also download the CBT425 sample. I'm only wanting to activate this for Batch jobs so I'm assuming in my SMFPRM member I'd specify IEFUSI as an exit in the SYS statement while specifying the SUBSYS statements for STC, TSO, and ASCH separately without the IEFUSI exit Is this what others do? The IBM sample appears to just use the JES2 Jobclass defaults if REGION=0M. The CBT425 sample appears like it would work except it looks like it requires the definition of a new RACF facilty class for region specifications over a max value. I was hoping others could give me an idea of what they are using and possibly point me to some samples. Thanks for your help! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD
Sorry. Meant Dean, not Dave. Terry Traylor charlesSCHWAB TIS Mainframe Storage Management Remedy Queue: tis-ds-mainframe storage (602) 977-5154 WARNING: All email sent to or from this address will be received by the Charles Schwab corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival and review by someone other than the recipient. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Traylor, Terry Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 1:15 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD Didn't Dave mention the Dataclass assignment had SCR=YES and a DVC=10? If so, he already has a 10 volume candidate list. Terry Traylor charlesSCHWAB TIS Mainframe Storage Management Remedy Queue: tis-ds-mainframe storage (602) 977-5154 WARNING: All email sent to or from this address will be received by the Charles Schwab corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival and review by someone other than the recipient. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Sidler Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 1:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:52:29 -0500, Dean Montevago [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anybody comment on this: I specify 4000/4000cyl and z/OS allocates 1/4000cyl. The info you guys provided has been very helpful but I don't understand why I'm getting this It sounds like the dataset has used the 1st 4000 cylinders and needs to go into a secondary extent. Another 4000 cylinders takes the dataset past the 65525 trks/volume limit for normal datasets. You could try using more volumes, for example UNIT=(SYSDA,2) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD
That's correct. Did you get rc=0 on your job? You have the weekly dd commented out so I'm assuming you're dealing with test data. From: Dean Montevago [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 12/22/2006 3:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD I thought that came into play at dataset close, meaning the operation was successful and the system is releasing the unused space. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 3:10 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD Look up RLSE in the jcl reference manual. From: Dean Montevago [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 12/22/2006 3:07 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD Here it is: //STEP02 EXEC PGM=IFASMFDP,REGION=6M //*DD DISP=SHR,DSN=PROD.SMF.MVSP.WEEKLY(+0) //DUMPIN DD DISP=SHR,DSN=PROD.SMF.MVSP.DAILY.G0001V00 // DD DISP=SHR,DSN=PROD.SMF.MVST.DAILY.G0001V00 //DUMPOUT DD DSN=PROD.MVSP.SMFDAY, //DISP=(NEW,CATLG,DELETE), //UNIT=SYSDA, //SPACE=(CYL,(4000,4000),RLSE), //DCB=(BLKSIZE=0,LRECL=32760,RECFM=VBS) -Original Message- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD
ok. Maybe we're onto something. Could that be why the primary allocation is being reduced to 1 cyl, when the job fails. But what's puzzling is I have DVC set to 10 in the DC so it should extend to the second volume. When I change the allocation to something like 2000/1000 the job runs fine. I've run this job and the dataset went to something like 30+ extents, 10,000+cyls across multiple mod-3's. We started having the issues when we tried to use mod-9's. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Sidler Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 3:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:52:29 -0500, Dean Montevago [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anybody comment on this: I specify 4000/4000cyl and z/OS allocates 1/4000cyl. The info you guys provided has been very helpful but I don't understand why I'm getting this It sounds like the dataset has used the 1st 4000 cylinders and needs to go into a secondary extent. Another 4000 cylinders takes the dataset past the 65525 trks/volume limit for normal datasets. You could try using more volumes, for example UNIT=(SYSDA,2) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Now, address linkmvs - resent
Phil Sidler wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 17:47:30 -0600, Phil Sidler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't think so, for address linkmvs. You have to
You're right. This only works for 1 parameter as if from a JCL PARM.
Rexx extends this and c doesn't handle multiple PARMS.
So, according the the LE Programming Guide, you should use __osplist for
this. So,
#pragma runopts(PLIST(OS))
struct parm {
short parm_len;
char parm_data[32767]; /* not the real size of the array */
};
int main(int argc, char * argv[]) {
struct parm * parmp;
int parm_idx= 0;
char ts[256];
do {
parmp = (struct parm *) __osplist[parm_idx];
strncpy(ts, parmp-parm_data, MIN(sizeof(ts)-1, parmp-parm_len));
printf(%08X %5d %s\n, parmp, parmp-parm_len, ts);
}
while ( 0 == ((int) __osplist[parm_idx++] 0x8000) );
return(0);
}
Thanks! Once again, you've given me an example and
the insight to solve the problem the way I need to
for the sample code and labs.
Sorry it took a while to respond; I'm in Denver (along
with Paul and Howard and a few others on the list) and
I had a small window here to get some Christmas
shopping done before more snow comes in tomorrow.
Kind regards,
-Steve Comstock
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Re: Now, address linkmvs - resent
Paul Gilmartin wrote:
In a recent note, Phil Sidler said:
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:38:42 -0600
#pragma runopts(PLIST(OS))
struct parm {
short parm_len;
char parm_data[32767]; /* not the real size of the array */
};
But this assumes that there's a halfword count field, supplied by
linkmvs but not by linkpgm, and not part of the interface for (e.g.):
o CSNBOWH, etc.
strncpy(ts, parmp-parm_data, MIN(sizeof(ts)-1, parmp-parm_len));
and this assumes the parms contain no binary zero bytes; again
not a safe assumption for:
o CSNBOWH, etc.
o alternate DDNAME lists for utilities.
-- gil
Yes, but this is linkmvs. linkpgm is next.
Kind regards,
-Steve Comstock
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Re: Now, address linkmvs - resent
Big Iron wrote: For your REXX exec, use this instead of the current linkmvs coding: cparm = var1' 'var2' 'var3 address linkmvs 'cla2 cparm' That should pass one parameter to cla2 incorporating the 3 values. I haven't tried your exact REXX code but I have used the same code in other places myself. Bill Well, yes, that will work if I want to get one parm string. But I wanted to get multiple strings and update some of them. Kind regards, -Steve Comstock -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD
Why don't you leave it at 2000/1000 then? Someone (Phil?) mentioned that 4000/4000 was driving you over the 65K track limit. Try a smaller secondary. From: Dean Montevago [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 12/22/2006 3:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD ok. Maybe we're onto something. Could that be why the primary allocation is being reduced to 1 cyl, when the job fails. But what's puzzling is I have DVC set to 10 in the DC so it should extend to the second volume. When I change the allocation to something like 2000/1000 the job runs fine. I've run this job and the dataset went to something like 30+ extents, 10,000+cyls across multiple mod-3's. We started having the issues when we tried to use mod-9's. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Sidler Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 3:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:52:29 -0500, Dean Montevago [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anybody comment on this: I specify 4000/4000cyl and z/OS allocates 1/4000cyl. The info you guys provided has been very helpful but I don't understand why I'm getting this It sounds like the dataset has used the 1st 4000 cylinders and needs to go into a secondary extent. Another 4000 cylinders takes the dataset past the 65525 trks/volume limit for normal datasets. You could try using more volumes, for example UNIT=(SYSDA,2) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD
Yeah I can do that. Curious minds want to know. I think it's supposed to work, I want to know what I'm doing wrong. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 3:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD Why don't you leave it at 2000/1000 then? Someone (Phil?) mentioned that 4000/4000 was driving you over the 65K track limit. Try a smaller secondary. From: Dean Montevago [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 12/22/2006 3:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD ok. Maybe we're onto something. Could that be why the primary allocation is being reduced to 1 cyl, when the job fails. But what's puzzling is I have DVC set to 10 in the DC so it should extend to the second volume. When I change the allocation to something like 2000/1000 the job runs fine. I've run this job and the dataset went to something like 30+ extents, 10,000+cyls across multiple mod-3's. We started having the issues when we tried to use mod-9's. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Sidler Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 3:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:52:29 -0500, Dean Montevago [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anybody comment on this: I specify 4000/4000cyl and z/OS allocates 1/4000cyl. The info you guys provided has been very helpful but I don't understand why I'm getting this It sounds like the dataset has used the 1st 4000 cylinders and needs to go into a secondary extent. Another 4000 cylinders takes the dataset past the 65525 trks/volume limit for normal datasets. You could try using more volumes, for example UNIT=(SYSDA,2) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Combining DLL and dynamic calls
On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 23:22:34 +0900, David Crayford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For several reasons. Firstly, because your typical dynamically loaded COBOL or HLASM program is monolithic with one entry point and a parameter list. If you have lots of entry points you have to load and delete lots of modules. I have seen some nice tricks with vector tables at fixed offsets used in assembler programs though. Trouble is, I've seen cases where a program depends on a .dll and fail when the .dll gets updated. I don't have enough familiarity to know whether the programmer assumed something he shouldn't or whether the .dll documentation wasn't clear - but the programs failed anyway (I almost said abended, but I am thinking of two different PC operating systems). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: In praise of Cobol - ZDNet UK
On 22 Dec 2006 09:39:34 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (McKown, John) wrote: Thought the other dinos might find the article interesting. http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,100073,39285061,00.htm -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Thanks.I'm passing this on to comp.lang.cobol -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD
Dean Montevago wrote: I thought that came into play at dataset close, meaning the operation was successful and the system is releasing the unused space. Right. However sometimes program closes file and then reopens it again. In such case RLSE shouldn't be used. IMHO you should use use extended format PS, considering compression (SMF data tend to compress quite well). In such case you won't met 64k tracks limit and have 123-extent limit. I also would start without RLSE. My $0.02 -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: OSA-ICC Dedicated Network Switches ?
Mark Neal wrote: The OSA-Express Integrated Console Controller Inplementation Guide Redbook recommends two dedicated network switches for two Private console LANs. Did you provide two dedicated switches? One dedicated switch and one networked LAN switch? Two networked LAN switches? If you dedicated nework switches, then it seems like you also need separate power circuits for each switch and at least two console workstations need to be on different power circuits also. What is the most common practice? I am trying to balance cost and ease with good console reliability. Dedicated switch is recommended beacuse of LAN separation. It's not matter of dedicated device. It's a matter of physically separated network. With own cabling and hub/switch. It is recommended because of security reasons. If your LAN is built on enterprise switches with VLAN facility, then you don't have to provide separate physical devices. Again, if you consider your network as very well secured, then you don't have to use separate one. Especially, when some rules are applied on the routers. BTW: ICC session definitions could be open or IP-dedicated. The last case means only predefined (by you) IP address can establish session. In well managed network, assuming the address is in the same net, security is OK. Regarding to power circuits: I'm pretty sure there are NO SPECIAL requirements for that. If you don't have problems with LAN and power circuits, then you won't have it with ICC as well. HTH -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMP/E in TSO (was: Why AUTHPGM?)
On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 12:33:13 -0500, Gilbert Saint-Flour wrote: A task doesn't own a DCB per se, but DEBs created by OPEN are placed on a chain anchored in the TCBDEB field of the TCB under which OPEN is invoked. When a task terminates, the Task Close routine (IFGxTCx IIRC) runs the DEB chain and tries to close corresponding DCBs and ACBs. If a DCB/ACB is inaccessible or appears corrupted, then TC issues IDC999I and S0C3. I am not aware of SMP (or IEBCOPY) doing anything that would prevent TC from doing its job. Just an update. IBM is pursuing this in PMRecord 56321,033,000: +IBM -5695DF175 - 06/12/22-12:10- Tracing through the code I have determine that access methods issued an IEFSSREQ to unallocate the SYSPRINT ACB and it failed with RC=4. Looking into reason why this occurred. ... So, yes, something I like about MVS is the enterprise-class service given customers. It didn't take them all this time -- a spent a few weeks intermittently pondering and pruning my test case. -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: RESERVE and ENQ (GRS question)
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 08:17:00 +0100, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott, Thank you for the clarification. In fact I read GRS manual, not macro description. BTW: I suspect this parameter is kept for historical reasons, otherwise what's the point to provide fixed value as parameter ? Maybe for even more pragmatic reasons. If you look at the RESERVE macro, you can see that it really only passes through all of the parameters to the ENQ macro. Keeping the positional syntax the same between the macros allows this to work. Scott Fagen z/OS Core Technology Design IBM Poughkeepsie -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Trying to switch from 3590J to 3590K tapes.
John, Take a look at your SMS rules, what DATACLAS is being assigned to these tapes; and what media-type is that DATACLAS supposed to use. Sounds like your SMS rules are directing the allocation to MEDIA3 cartridges. Russell Witt CA-1 Level-2 Support Manager -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Benik Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 12:13 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Trying to switch from 3590J to 3590K tapes. We are attempting to switch from 3590J(MEDIA3) to 3590K(media4) tapes but HSM is issuing the messages below. We have ejected all the J media scratches and inserted enough of the K media to at least get through tonight. But it's critical that we figure this out before this weekend. CBR4195I LACS retry possible for job HSMS1: 422 IEE763I NAME= CBRLLACS CODE= 140169 CBR4000I LACS MOUNT permanent error for drive 1242. CBR4105I No MEDIA3 scratch volumes available in library IEE764I END OF CBR4195I RELATED MESSAGES Does anybody know if there is additional work to be done to start using the K tapes, as we were told it was a simple switch? It was very simple to switch to K tapes for the backend of a VTS. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Combining DLL and dynamic calls
Howard Brazee wrote: On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 23:22:34 +0900, David Crayford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For several reasons. Firstly, because your typical dynamically loaded COBOL or HLASM program is monolithic with one entry point and a parameter list. If you have lots of entry points you have to load and delete lots of modules. I have seen some nice tricks with vector tables at fixed offsets used in assembler programs though. Trouble is, I've seen cases where a program depends on a .dll and fail when the .dll gets updated. I don't have enough familiarity to know whether the programmer assumed something he shouldn't or whether the .dll documentation wasn't clear - but the programs failed anyway (I almost said abended, but I am thinking of two different PC operating systems). I think you are referring to DLL hell, which was a big problem with the Windows operating system. The problem was caused by Microsoft shipping different versions of a DLL with the same name. Of course, Windows is a very flaky operating system and doesn't have a concept like a CDE with use counts. A common problem was that the behavior of windows explorer would change if you loaded IE with a different version of the DLL. On UNIX platforms it's common practice to version stamp the DLL. For example, the XML Toolkit for z/OS ships DLLs with names like libxml4c5_6_0.dll or IXM4C56 for the PDS load modules. If a DLL is updated and backwards compatibility is not guaranteed then the version number is changed. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ftp job submission
pdc wrote: Hi I am using FTP (with filetype=jes) to submit JCL on a remote system. Is there a timeout that might hit if I were to do something like wait on a tape mount? Cheers What are you waiting for? The output from the the job being sent back after job completions? If so, then yes. There is a session inactivity timeout that will come into play. If your ftp client supports it, you may want to see if the other side will code the keepalive timer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Super-Friday
No sign of Darren. Gently closing down. Warm mince pies and red wine on the desk. To one and all - all the best for the season. We may have agreed and disagreed this year, and we may agree and disagree in the coming year, but that's no reason not to wish all and sundry a happy holiday and a happy family time. Enjoy those close to you. -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.co.uk +44 7833 654 800 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones
I'm just guessing but 85% gross margin seems way too high. At 85%, the customers would be throwing a royal fit and the FTC would be sharpening their fangs to take another huge bite out of IBM. 15% is probably more likely. I refer the honourable gentleman to Page 39 of IBM's latest quarterly SEC filing at http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/51143/000110465906069905/a06-19062_710q.htm For the nine months ended 30 September 2006 IBM's gross margin on software was 84.6%. I apologise to IBM for overstating the figure as 85%. -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.co.uk +44 7833 654 800 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Question on z/OS 1.8 Listcat Volume under z/OS 1.8
(If this is a repeat sorry I didnt see it get posted earlier today) Has anyone come across this... We are issuing in Batch LISTCAT LEVEL(SYSOPC) - VOLUME Under z/OS 1.7 this runs fine and has for years with a return code of zero from Idcams. Under z/OS 1.8 we get a return code of 08 if we use the ALL option then we get a return code of zero under z/OS 1.8. We are trying to determine is this a bug or new feature? We cant seem to locate anything in the migration guide and dont remember anything at Expo about this. Anyone one of any ideas? Thanks Andy Internet: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The information contained in this message may be CONFIDENTIAL and is for the intended addressee only. Any unauthorized use, dissemination of the information, or copying of this message is prohibited. If you are not the intended addressee, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Super-Friday
Most excellent sentiments, Phil. Many happy returns on the holidays to you and yours as well. And to all those on this list too! Bob Richards -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Payne Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Super-Friday No sign of Darren. Gently closing down. Warm mince pies and red wine on the desk. To one and all - all the best for the season. We may have agreed and disagreed this year, and we may agree and disagree in the coming year, but that's no reason not to wish all and sundry a happy holiday and a happy family time. Enjoy those close to you. LEGAL DISCLAIMER The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. SunTrust and Seeing beyond money are federally registered service marks of SunTrust Banks, Inc. [ST:XCL] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones
On 23/12/06, Phil Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the nine months ended 30 September 2006 IBM's gross margin on software was 84.6%. I apologise to IBM for overstating the figure as 85%. I'm in the wrong business :( -- Steve Despair - It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Trying to switch from 3590J to 3590K tapes.
In a message dated 12/22/2006 6:47:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: tapes; and what media-type is that DATACLAS supposed to use. Sounds like your SMS rules are directing the allocation to MEDIA3 cartridges. What is it can't mix media types within DATACLAS? So you'd have a rule for SYSJ going to the 3590 J's and rule for SYSK going to the 3590 K's. DISPLAYs is cheap... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones
Phil Payne wrote: I refer the honourable gentleman to Page 39 of IBM's latest quarterly SEC filing at http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/51143/000110465906069905/a06-19062_710q.htm For the nine months ended 30 September 2006 IBM's gross margin on software was 84.6%. I apologise to IBM for overstating the figure as 85%. Gross figures are meaningless. Net is all that matters. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones
Phil, This seems to be a bit of a stretch. In your original statement about 85% profit margin, you said With a gross margin on mainframe software around 85%, surely IBM would fall over its own feet if another supplier were to promote z/Architecture in a credible way to new accounts and expand the zArchitecture installed base. Now to backup this claim, you point to IBM's corporate SEC filingm which states that the Gross Profit Margin for ALL IBM software, not mainframe software, was 84.6%. Please provide some proof behind the claim that mainframe software has an 85% profit margin! Wayne Driscoll Product Developer JME Software LLC NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Payne Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 7:21 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones I'm just guessing but 85% gross margin seems way too high. At 85%, the customers would be throwing a royal fit and the FTC would be sharpening their fangs to take another huge bite out of IBM. 15% is probably more likely. I refer the honourable gentleman to Page 39 of IBM's latest quarterly SEC filing at http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/51143/000110465906069905/a06-1906 2_710q.htm For the nine months ended 30 September 2006 IBM's gross margin on software was 84.6%. I apologise to IBM for overstating the figure as 85%. -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.co.uk +44 7833 654 800 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones
To all If you go down to page 56 of the same filing the software revenue details does provide an interesting note that is not backed up by figures anywhere -- software had a 26.4% margin pre-tax. Now that would be your net margin. Like Wayne pointed out as well -- that is for all software, not just z. I have found no detail of software by platform that would allow anyone to ascertain how much IBM makes in the z marketplace. One possible indicator of that revenue is on page 51 -- at the end of September 2006 IBM had surpassed 10 million MIPS of installed inventory. Forget about whether MIPS means anything or not and realize that IBM has a large install base of z machines. Let's hypothesize for a minute (that means don't believe any of these numbers because they did not come from the filing) and say that IBM has 1,000,000 MSUs of z/OS installed and charges $200 per MSU per month. That comes out to 200 million dollars a month for the base operating system. 2.4 billion a year will pay for a large sales, support and development staff with more that 26.4% pre-tax margins. I wonder what this would look like if you added CICS, DB2 and IMS to the mix. I have been in the software business and it is a lucrative business. It makes me wonder why IBM would not want more machines in the marketplace running z software so these numbers would look even bigger. Tom Moulder -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne Driscoll Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:05 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones Phil, This seems to be a bit of a stretch. In your original statement about 85% profit margin, you said With a gross margin on mainframe software around 85%, surely IBM would fall over its own feet if another supplier were to promote z/Architecture in a credible way to new accounts and expand the zArchitecture installed base. Now to backup this claim, you point to IBM's corporate SEC filingm which states that the Gross Profit Margin for ALL IBM software, not mainframe software, was 84.6%. Please provide some proof behind the claim that mainframe software has an 85% profit margin! Wayne Driscoll Product Developer JME Software LLC NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
