Invoke OMVS TSO session

2009-10-22 Thread Tommy Tsui

Hi all,

How come I invoke a OMVS session it will automatic submitting a batch job  
each time I type a unix command like ls ???



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Re: Invoke OMVS TSO session

2009-10-22 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)
What makes you think there is a batch job started?
UNIX processes (e.g. ls) inititated from another process (e.g.
your shell session) may be run in another address space. A BPXAS
address space will be started, if there currently is no idle 
BPXAS that could run your command.

In this case you'll see a message like this in SYSLOG
BPXP024I BPXAS INITIATOR STARTED ON BEHALF OF JOB xyz RUNNING IN ASID
...

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Re: Looking for a job

2009-10-22 Thread Gerhard Postpischil

Pommier, Rex R. wrote:

Some people prefer the big city, others of us are content with a
smaller, slower paced community.


In 2000 I moved to a big city - we have the only traffic light 
for twenty miles around g  I'm two miles from an interstate 
exit, and have a choice of ISDN, satellite, and cable internet. 
This allows me to telecommute, while enjoying the bucolic 
outdoors, and going to the office takes less than a minute (room 
over the garage with a nice view).


I suspect that may be the long term trend, and our work will get 
done from almost anywhere.




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Re: ServerPac Management Questions

2009-10-22 Thread R.S.

Vinson Lee pisze:

Hi All,

Just had a few questions regarding how other people are managing ServerPacs.

How can you apply 2 different configurations to the same installation order.
For z/OS, our Test and Production LPARs have slightly different
configurations.  We have separate spool, checkpoint, page,  catalog volumes
for Production but share these on Test.  What I've been doing is performing
the installation for Test and saving the configuration to  CONFIG.SCPPSENU
and CONFIG.SCPPTENU.  I then make copies of these and make changes to the
configuration for Production.  Is there a way to have 2 different
configurations apply to the same order? 


Also, we currently reinstall a new set of ServerPac libraries whenever we get
a new ServerPac for DB2, CICS, or z/OS.  Each version of a product is managed
by a different set of ServerPac libraries.  Do other sites just upgrade one
set of ServerPac libraries and manage all DB2, CICS, z/OS installs from the
same set?  Is there an advantage to doing it this way?


IMHO it's easier to have one configuration, generate one systems and 
then clone it. YMMV.


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Re: APS Cobol Code Generator Mainframe

2009-10-22 Thread Nuttall, Peter (P.)
Thanks John and Dirk,

It looks like it's been decommisioned/withdrawn ... Any ideas what they
do with existing contracts ?

Kind regards,
Peter

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 Hi All,
 
 Tried looking in the archives but no joy ... Maybe it hasn't come up.
 
 Anyone know who currently markets (if at all) the above product. From
 what I can gather it was marketed by Sage Software ?
 
 Many thanks and kind regards,
 Peter

Try here:

http://www.microfocus.com/products/more/APS/index.asp

quote
Micro Focus APS is a development environment for creating mainframe
applications, batch and online, using IMS/TM, CICS, and data that
resides in VSAM, DB2 or IMS/DB. APS generates 100% native code with no
proprietary runtime support.
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回覆:RE: 回覆:Re: Invoke OMVS TSO session

2009-10-22 Thread Tommy Tsui
在 2009/10/22下午3:00,Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)  
peter.hunke...@credit-suisse.com寫道:






is it related to SMF EXIT IEFUJI, our shop using IEFUJI to verify user?







Well, JES2 will not submit a job, anyway, how do you recognize a job is



submitted?




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Is it only with the ls command?




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What does whence -v ls say?







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To: Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)
Subject: 回覆:Re: Invoke OMVS



TSO session







sorry, I mean after I type command ls a JES2 will submit a batch



job each time.



在 2009/10/22下午2:16,Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)



peter.hunke...@credit-suisse.com寫道:
 What makes you think there



is a batch job started?


 UNIX processes (eg ls)



inititated from another process (eg


 your shell



session) may be run in another address space. A BPXAS






address space will be started, if there currently is no idle






 BPXAS that could run your command.









 In this case you'll see a message like this in SYSLOG






 BPXP024I BPXAS INITIATOR STARTED ON BEHALF OF JOB xyz RUNNING



IN ASID


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DFHSM QUESTION - MANAGEMENT CLASS

2009-10-22 Thread willie bunter
Good Day,
 
I am trying to migrate 5 gdg dsns.  I receive the error message :
ARC1001I PROD.RSVP.H11R999.TRSF.EDDYHBC.G0099V00 MIGRATE FAILED, RC=0099, 
ARC1001I (CONT.) REAS=0004 
ARC1299I UNSUPPORTED DATA SET FOR MIGRATION 
 
I checked the Management class which shows the following :
Migration Attributes  
  Primary Days Non-usage  . : 40  
  Level 1 Days Date/Days  . : 0   
  Command or Auto Migrate . : 
BOTH  
  
GDG Management Attributes 
  # GDG Elements on Primary : 7   
  Rolled-off GDS Action . . : EXPIRE  
 
According to the doc hte Level 1 Days Date/Days is 0 then the default is 60 
days.  I change the Level 1 Days to 2.  Performed the ACTIVATE and I tried the 
migrate.  I got the same error message.  Is there something else I can try.  
The dsns in question were created on 



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Re: Invoke OMVS TSO session

2009-10-22 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)
 is it related to SMF EXIT IEFUJI, our shop using IEFUJI to verify
user?

Huh? This is probably not meant as an answer to my questions I sent
you this morning, is it?

Since the questions have been sent to you instead of to the list, I'll
repeat them here:

- How do you recognize a job is submitted?
- Is it only with the ls command?
- What does whence -v ls say?

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Re: DFHSM QUESTION - MANAGEMENT CLASS

2009-10-22 Thread Spencer, Mike
What is the Management Class attribute for BACKUP?  DFHSM will not allow 
command level backups to ML2 if there is no backup copy and the management 
class attribute is set to have a backup.  

Michael Spencer
BMC Software
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Subject: DFHSM QUESTION - MANAGEMENT CLASS

Good Day,
 
I am trying to migrate 5 gdg dsns.  I receive the error message :
ARC1001I PROD.RSVP.H11R999.TRSF.EDDYHBC.G0099V00 MIGRATE FAILED, RC=0099, 
ARC1001I (CONT.) REAS=0004 
ARC1299I UNSUPPORTED DATA SET FOR MIGRATION 
 
I checked the Management class which shows the following :
Migration Attributes  
  Primary Days Non-usage  . : 40  
  Level 1 Days Date/Days  . : 0   
  Command or Auto Migrate . : 
BOTH  
  
GDG Management Attributes 
  # GDG Elements on Primary : 7   
  Rolled-off GDS Action . . : EXPIRE  
 
According to the doc hte Level 1 Days Date/Days is 0 then the default is 60 
days.  I change the Level 1 Days to 2.  Performed the ACTIVATE and I tried the 
migrate.  I got the same error message.  Is there something else I can try.  
The dsns in question were created on 



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Re: ServerPac Management Questions

2009-10-22 Thread Shane
On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 10:30 -0700, Vinson Lee wrote:

 How can you apply 2 different configurations to the same installation order.
 For z/OS, our Test and Production LPARs have slightly different
 configurations.  We have separate spool, checkpoint, page,  catalog volumes
 for Production but share these on Test.  What I've been doing is performing
 the installation for Test and saving the configuration to  CONFIG.SCPPSENU
 and CONFIG.SCPPTENU.  I then make copies of these and make changes to the
 configuration for Production.  Is there a way to have 2 different
 configurations apply to the same order? 

How are you doing the install ?. Sounds like a full replacement each
time. If you do a (software) upgrade, those operational libraries aren't
replaced - much easier all round.

 Also, we currently reinstall a new set of ServerPac libraries whenever we get
 a new ServerPac for DB2, CICS, or z/OS.  Each version of a product is managed
 by a different set of ServerPac libraries.  Do other sites just upgrade one
 set of ServerPac libraries and manage all DB2, CICS, z/OS installs from the
 same set?  Is there an advantage to doing it this way?

I've always maintained just one set of ServerPac (dialog) libraries -
easy to manage multiple installs - including disparate ones like (all)
those mentioned.

Shane ... 

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Re: DFHSM QUESTION - MANAGEMENT CLASS

2009-10-22 Thread willie bunter
Michael,
 
The DSORG is ? or NONE.  This could be the reason (as you have said and 
documented).  The backup attributes is as follows:
 
Backup Attributes    
  Backup frequency  . . . . . . . . . . . : 1    
  Number of backup versions . . . . . . . : 1    
 (Data Set Exists)   
  Number of backup versions . . . . . . . : 1    
 (Data Set Deleted)  
  Retain days only backup version . . . . : 180  
 (Data Set Deleted)  
  Retain days extra backup versions . . . : NOLIMIT  
 
  Admin or User Command Backup  . . . . . : BOTH 
  Auto Backup . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : YES  
  Backup copy technique . . . . . . . . . : CONCURRENT PREFERRED 


General Data   Current Allocation   
 Management class . . : MCPGDG02    Allocated tracks  . : 1 
 Storage class  . . . : SCPRSTD2    Allocated extents . : 1 
  Volume serial . . . : MVS030  
  Device type . . . . : 3390    
 Data class . . . . . : **None**   Current Utilization  
  Organization  . . . : NONE    Used tracks . . . . : 0 
  Record format . . . : ?   Used extents  . . . : 0 
  Record length . . . : 0  
  Block size  . . . . : 0  
  1st extent tracks . : 1 
  Secondary tracks  . : 1 
  Data set name type  : 

--- On Thu, 10/22/09, Spencer, Mike mike_spen...@bmc.com wrote:


From: Spencer, Mike mike_spen...@bmc.com
Subject: Re: DFHSM QUESTION - MANAGEMENT CLASS
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Received: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 4:48 AM


What is the Management Class attribute for BACKUP?  DFHSM will not allow 
command level backups to ML2 if there is no backup copy and the management 
class attribute is set to have a backup.  

Michael Spencer
BMC Software
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Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:41 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: DFHSM QUESTION - MANAGEMENT CLASS

Good Day,
 
I am trying to migrate 5 gdg dsns.  I receive the error message :
ARC1001I PROD.RSVP.H11R999.TRSF.EDDYHBC.G0099V00 MIGRATE FAILED, RC=0099, 
ARC1001I (CONT.) REAS=0004 
ARC1299I UNSUPPORTED DATA SET FOR MIGRATION 
 
I checked the Management class which shows the following :
Migration Attributes  
  Primary Days Non-usage  . : 40  
  Level 1 Days Date/Days  . : 0   
  Command or Auto Migrate . : 
BOTH  
  
GDG Management Attributes 
  # GDG Elements on Primary : 7   
  Rolled-off GDS Action . . : EXPIRE  
 
According to the doc hte Level 1 Days Date/Days is 0 then the default is 60 
days.  I change the Level 1 Days to 2.  Performed the ACTIVATE and I tried the 
migrate.  I got the same error message.  Is there something else I can try.  
The dsns in question were created on 



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Re: DFHSM QUESTION - MANAGEMENT CLASS

2009-10-22 Thread Spencer, Mike
You can execute a IEBGENER to force an open/close and set the DSORG to PS.  
DFHSM will then be able to backup the data set and then you can migrate it to 
ML2.  You can always issue a migrate to ML1 after you perform the GENER and 
DFHSM will handle everything from that point on.  

I would recommend reviewing your activity information for other errors and 
fixing any problem data sets.  If you have these 5, then you probably have 
others.  DFHSM will make three attempts to perform the necessary action, 
backup, migrate, etc based upon the management class attributes and your space 
management cycles.  This is just wasted cycles for each attempt every night.  

Michael Spencer
BMC Software

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willie bunter
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 8:14 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: DFHSM QUESTION - MANAGEMENT CLASS

Michael,
 
The DSORG is ? or NONE.  This could be the reason (as you have said and 
documented).  The backup attributes is as follows:
 
Backup Attributes    
  Backup frequency  . . . . . . . . . . . : 1    
  Number of backup versions . . . . . . . : 1    
 (Data Set Exists)   
  Number of backup versions . . . . . . . : 1    
 (Data Set Deleted)  
  Retain days only backup version . . . . : 180  
 (Data Set Deleted)  
  Retain days extra backup versions . . . : NOLIMIT  
 
  Admin or User Command Backup  . . . . . : BOTH 
  Auto Backup . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : YES  
  Backup copy technique . . . . . . . . . : CONCURRENT PREFERRED 


General Data   Current Allocation   
 Management class . . : MCPGDG02    Allocated tracks  . : 1 
 Storage class  . . . : SCPRSTD2    Allocated extents . : 1 
  Volume serial . . . : MVS030  
  Device type . . . . : 3390    
 Data class . . . . . : **None**   Current Utilization  
  Organization  . . . : NONE    Used tracks . . . . : 0 
  Record format . . . : ?   Used extents  . . . : 0 
  Record length . . . : 0  
  Block size  . . . . : 0  
  1st extent tracks . : 1 
  Secondary tracks  . : 1 
  Data set name type  : 

--- On Thu, 10/22/09, Spencer, Mike mike_spen...@bmc.com wrote:


From: Spencer, Mike mike_spen...@bmc.com
Subject: Re: DFHSM QUESTION - MANAGEMENT CLASS
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Received: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 4:48 AM


What is the Management Class attribute for BACKUP?  DFHSM will not allow 
command level backups to ML2 if there is no backup copy and the management 
class attribute is set to have a backup.  

Michael Spencer
BMC Software
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of 
willie bunter
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:41 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: DFHSM QUESTION - MANAGEMENT CLASS

Good Day,
 
I am trying to migrate 5 gdg dsns.  I receive the error message :
ARC1001I PROD.RSVP.H11R999.TRSF.EDDYHBC.G0099V00 MIGRATE FAILED, RC=0099, 
ARC1001I (CONT.) REAS=0004 
ARC1299I UNSUPPORTED DATA SET FOR MIGRATION 
 
I checked the Management class which shows the following :
Migration Attributes  
  Primary Days Non-usage  . : 40  
  Level 1 Days Date/Days  . : 0   
  Command or Auto Migrate . : 
BOTH  
  
GDG Management Attributes 
  # GDG Elements on Primary : 7   
  Rolled-off GDS Action . . : EXPIRE  
 
According to the doc hte Level 1 Days Date/Days is 0 then the default is 60 
days.  I change the Level 1 Days to 2.  Performed the ACTIVATE and I tried the 
migrate.  I got the same error message.  Is there something else I can try.  
The dsns in question were created on 



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Re: DFHSM QUESTION - MANAGEMENT CLASS

2009-10-22 Thread willie bunter
Mike,
 
Thanks for the advice.  I will follow your suggestions.  Thanks again for your 
help.

--- On Thu, 10/22/09, Spencer, Mike mike_spen...@bmc.com wrote:


From: Spencer, Mike mike_spen...@bmc.com
Subject: Re: DFHSM QUESTION - MANAGEMENT CLASS
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Received: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 5:25 AM


You can execute a IEBGENER to force an open/close and set the DSORG to PS.  
DFHSM will then be able to backup the data set and then you can migrate it to 
ML2.  You can always issue a migrate to ML1 after you perform the GENER and 
DFHSM will handle everything from that point on.  

I would recommend reviewing your activity information for other errors and 
fixing any problem data sets.  If you have these 5, then you probably have 
others.  DFHSM will make three attempts to perform the necessary action, 
backup, migrate, etc based upon the management class attributes and your space 
management cycles.  This is just wasted cycles for each attempt every night.  

Michael Spencer
BMC Software

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of 
willie bunter
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 8:14 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: DFHSM QUESTION - MANAGEMENT CLASS

Michael,
 
The DSORG is ? or NONE.  This could be the reason (as you have said and 
documented).  The backup attributes is as follows:
 
Backup Attributes    
  Backup frequency  . . . . . . . . . . . : 1    
  Number of backup versions . . . . . . . : 1    
 (Data Set Exists)   
  Number of backup versions . . . . . . . : 1    
 (Data Set Deleted)  
  Retain days only backup version . . . . : 180  
 (Data Set Deleted)  
  Retain days extra backup versions . . . : NOLIMIT  
 
  Admin or User Command Backup  . . . . . : BOTH 
  Auto Backup . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : YES  
  Backup copy technique . . . . . . . . . : CONCURRENT PREFERRED 


General Data   Current Allocation   
 Management class . . : MCPGDG02    Allocated tracks  . : 1 
 Storage class  . . . : SCPRSTD2    Allocated extents . : 1 
  Volume serial . . . : MVS030  
  Device type . . . . : 3390    
 Data class . . . . . : **None**   Current Utilization  
  Organization  . . . : NONE    Used tracks . . . . : 0 
  Record format . . . : ?   Used extents  . . . : 0 
  Record length . . . : 0  
  Block size  . . . . : 0  
  1st extent tracks . : 1 
  Secondary tracks  . : 1 
  Data set name type  : 

--- On Thu, 10/22/09, Spencer, Mike mike_spen...@bmc.com wrote:


From: Spencer, Mike mike_spen...@bmc.com
Subject: Re: DFHSM QUESTION - MANAGEMENT CLASS
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Received: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 4:48 AM


What is the Management Class attribute for BACKUP?  DFHSM will not allow 
command level backups to ML2 if there is no backup copy and the management 
class attribute is set to have a backup.  

Michael Spencer
BMC Software
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of 
willie bunter
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:41 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: DFHSM QUESTION - MANAGEMENT CLASS

Good Day,
 
I am trying to migrate 5 gdg dsns.  I receive the error message :
ARC1001I PROD.RSVP.H11R999.TRSF.EDDYHBC.G0099V00 MIGRATE FAILED, RC=0099, 
ARC1001I (CONT.) REAS=0004 
ARC1299I UNSUPPORTED DATA SET FOR MIGRATION 
 
I checked the Management class which shows the following :
Migration Attributes  
  Primary Days Non-usage  . : 40  
  Level 1 Days Date/Days  . : 0   
  Command or Auto Migrate . : 
BOTH  
  
GDG Management Attributes 
  # GDG Elements on Primary : 7   
  Rolled-off GDS Action . . : EXPIRE  
 
According to the doc hte Level 1 Days Date/Days is 0 then the default is 60 
days.  I change the Level 1 Days to 2.  Performed the ACTIVATE and I tried the 
migrate.  I got the same error message.  Is there something else I can try.  
The dsns in question were created on 



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Model-204 and SMS

2009-10-22 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Is there any reason Model-204 should not be on SMS managed volumes?

I have no technical expertise regarding 204 and am looking for technical 
reasons why 204 might not be a good candidate for SMS management. 

Thank You,
Dave O'Brien
NIH Contractor

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Re: DFHSM QUESTION - MANAGEMENT CLASS

2009-10-22 Thread John Kelly
snip
The DSORG is ? or NONE.
/snip

it is wise to have a default dataclass that assigns a dsorg=ps so you 
don't have this problem.

Jack Kelly
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Re: Model-204 and SMS

2009-10-22 Thread Martin Kline
Is there any reason Model-204 should not be on SMS managed volumes?

I am not the M204 support here, but as far as I can tell, all of our M204 files 
are on SMS-managed volumes. So, I'd say there's no reason they cannot be 
SMS-managed.

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Re: IEFSD095 Alias

2009-10-22 Thread Jim Marshall
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:04:00 +0100, Andrew Metcalfe 
andrew.metca...@barclays.com wrote:

I guess that goes some way to explain it. I don't have the alias on z/OS
1.8. We have just migrated to z/OS 1.10 and I have a user getting errors
calling IEFSD095. IEFSD095 is (and always has been) an alias of an in-house
written block character routine (that pre-dates me). Obviously they are now
finding the new alias shipped with z/OS 1.0 rather than our in-house routine
which is further down the linklist.

Just for the sake of history, IEFSD095 was around back in MVT days and is the 
IBM Block Letter CSECT of data which was used for banner pages. Eastern 
Airlines did a whole bunch of mods to MVT (hey, in source form) and created 
EALSD095 which contained the data for special characters. 

In general this module would not get called, but one would issue a LOAD 
instruction to get the module available to use its data. This CSECT sometimes 
replaced the IBM IEFSD095 as a user mod. The program you mention being 
used may have its roots in some code I put onto the SHARE tape and later is 
now in the CBT tape to put block letter pages on output which was handy 
when using microfiche. You can review these in CBT file 316 if my memory 
serves me. Many of the programs started in the NASA Goddard Space Flight 
Center and came my way in the Pentagon via the Goddard MODS tape and 
then we used them as a basis for doing other things with EALSD095. 

And our younger brethren believe Open Source code is only a recent 
discovery. 

Jim Marshall 



 

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Re: big iron mainframe vs. x86 servers

2009-10-22 Thread Thompson, Steve
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Behalf Of John P. Baker
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:08 PM
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Subject: Re: big iron mainframe vs. x86 servers

The big advantages of the IBM mainframe architecture have always been
application upward compatibility, I/O throughput, and RAS (reliability,
availability, and serviceability).

SNIPPAGE

Give that staggering number of financial transactions processed on a
daily
basis, over 90% of which is done on large-scale IBM mainframes, is it
not
strange that you have never heard of a mainframe virus?  IBM RAS and IBM
Security (whether implemented via IBM RACF, CA ACF/2, CA-Top Secret
Security, or some other External Security manager (ESM)) is what keep
these
systems running.

SNIPPAGE

Actually, there are a few of them. I had made the same statement circa
1990, and I was pointed to an experiment that had been done to prove
that an MVS based virus could be accomplished.

One of the reasons for Production Control types to only accept source
and do their own compiles and linkages is to prevent what could be
malicious code from being copied and then infecting a business'
production load libraries.

Regards,
Steve Thompson

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Re: DFHSM QUESTION - MANAGEMENT CLASS

2009-10-22 Thread Ted MacNEIL
One other item to check, make sure the data sets in question have a DSORG of 
PS.

NOT just PS!
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Re: OFF TOPIC - DELL CUSTOMER SUPPORT

2009-10-22 Thread Arthur Gutowski
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:20:55 -0500, McKown, John wrote:

Not necessarily true. I know of a number of decent PC vendors who are 
entirely local to the US. I've even gotten a Intel i7-920 from one of them 
(Zareason) for a very good price. Of course, all my PC purchaces are 100% 
Microsoft free. (Linux bigot).

http://www.zareason.com/shop/home.php
http://www.shoprcubed.com/
http://system76.com/

and many more.

John, thanks for the links.  Also thanks to all who provided contact info.  I 
had 
a recent experience with a dock station for my home machine that I want 
to share with Dell corporate and consumer reports sites.  I used to think 
HP 
was the bottom of the barrel.  For my next machine, I'll explore my options.  
I, 
too, wiped out Windoze for Linux, and am virus- and relatively crash-free.

Regards,
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Re: Looking for a job

2009-10-22 Thread Jim Marshall
I am currently looking for a full time Mainframe System Programmer job in New
York/New jersey, San Jose, Dallas area. I am open to other locations.
I have about 10+ years of experience in Mainframes. My current shop has
started to migrate off the mainframe platform and its getting depressing
working in that environment.

Here is some food-for-thought. Why be depressed and probably it shows. I 
would view this as a tremendous opportunity to see a conversion in action. I 
would even support it fully and help them with all the challenges. Indeed if 
all 
the challenges can be overcome, then it can be contended, the move was 
indeed a good one. No one likes a non-team player. One does not have to 
agree with the strategy to play and give it your best. Face reality, this is 
going to happen and if one learns of all their challenges, then you will be 
much 
wiser in the long run. 

Here a few year ago, the move was to outsource a major application to 
private industry. My reaction was COOL, let me help really. Then I would 
ensure everyone knew all the services we were providing and they were 
expected to provide these too. A z9BC upgrade was denied (machine power 
will decrease 75% in 14 months) until I showed them I could detune the 
machine and drop our costs in 14 months. I asked the customer to go with me 
to the CFO and break the news that in 14 months the CFO could have all 
these savings and could program the savings elsewhere. The customer balked 
and my question was, so in 14 months you will not be off the mainframe?. 
They were not THAT certain and would not head up so they let me upgrade if 
I just laid low for 14 months. In the end it all fell apart and it is time for 
another UPgrade.

Yes, you can look around for a new job but take all the advantages of what 
you can learn now about what is the plan, cost of the plan, time frame 
projected and sit in on the progress. Then sit back and watch the trials and 
tribulations. I'd get close to the major customer and be supportive as heck as 
to the rationale for this, maybe reduce cost, and then you too might be 
incredulous at the notion it is more expensive. In the military I always 
supported my senior officers crazy ideas or not and in the end, learned a 
bunch about how things can be done and how one does not want to do 
things; but I was a supporter of the Colonel even if it lead to him/her being 
fired. Then in the end, I knew where all the bodies were buried and could pick 
up all the pieces. 

In the present world to think z/OS is the only systems places will run is not 
going to happen. Here I have the data on z/OS and applications running on 
Windows Servers (COOL). Maybe they want to run the application on z/OS and 
data on Windows (COOL) although I ask to tell me how they are going to do 
Disaster Recovery for the data??? If they want to have a 4-Core Intel Blade to 
do something, GO-FOR-IT although maybe I could supply a Virtual Linux Server 
for $0 because I already have the one license I need. 

Getting side tracked away from z/OS for a few years is not something where 
you will be left way behind. z/OS is still MVS souped up and in many case 
easier (just more of it). So opportunity is KNOCKING and make the most of it 
until you find the right job and leave with everyone being sad you are 
departing. The next place may give you the chance to integrate Windows or 
Linux into your z/OS operation and you are already 2 miles ahead of the z/OS 
staff who want to stay in their own little world. 

Make the best and get the most out of what you are dealt; it pays off in the 
long haul.

Jim  (WashDC's Cranky Old Guy)  

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Re: Invoke OMVS TSO session

2009-10-22 Thread McKown, John
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 Hi all,
 
 How come I invoke a OMVS session it will automatic submitting 
 a batch job  
 each time I type a unix command like ls ???
 
 
 thanks and regards

Are you sure it's not an started task? I've never had OMVS submit a batch 
job. The reason you get another address space (which shows in SDSF as an STC), 
is due to the way that UNIX work. When you enter a new UNIX command from the 
shell, the shell does a fork() or spawn() function. In UNIX a fork() creates a 
new process (address space in z/OS). Why? I hate to say it, but that's just the 
way it works. It keeps the new process from corrupting the parent process. It 
is __NOT__ like TSO/ISPF which does an ATTACH for a new screen. Or however ISPF 
implements its screens.

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Re: Invoke OMVS TSO session

2009-10-22 Thread Tommy Tsui
I think the exit IEFUJI invoke the OMVS checking during BPAX started a
task but I am not sure can eliminate the OMVS checking from IEFJUI or
using subsystem instead of SYS in IEFSMFXX parmlib


2009/10/22 McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com:
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 Subject: Invoke OMVS TSO session

 Hi all,

 How come I invoke a OMVS session it will automatic submitting
 a batch job
 each time I type a unix command like ls ???


 thanks and regards

 Are you sure it's not an started task? I've never had OMVS submit a batch 
 job. The reason you get another address space (which shows in SDSF as an 
 STC), is due to the way that UNIX work. When you enter a new UNIX command 
 from the shell, the shell does a fork() or spawn() function. In UNIX a fork() 
 creates a new process (address space in z/OS). Why? I hate to say it, but 
 that's just the way it works. It keeps the new process from corrupting the 
 parent process. It is __NOT__ like TSO/ISPF which does an ATTACH for a new 
 screen. Or however ISPF implements its screens.

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Re: Looking for a job

2009-10-22 Thread Howard Brazee
On 21 Oct 2009 16:35:23 -0700, eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com (Eric Bielefeld)
wrote:

I never saw the point in standing in front of a machine, putting in my money, 
pushing the button, and watching my money disappear.  I think I was in a 
casino twice.  
Once to get a meal, and once because there was a job fair there.  They didn't 
get 
any of my money except for the meal.

Different strokes.   I'm with you, but gambling is a very popular pass
time, whether it's pure gambling, or fool oneself into thinking I'm
smart enough to win gambling.But if someone treats it like
entertainment - spending $50 for a night out, nobody's hurt.

Others can't play golf without making a bet, even if the money is
small enough to be meaningless.   I don't get it.   Maybe I'm cheap.
Not being a gambler means I can't get good competition for poker, and
I don't get the advantage of doubling dice in backgammon - but since
everybody has different values on a $5 bet, gambling automatically
puts us on an uneven competition.

So what does this mean about betting on jobs, on careers, on new
computer systems?It means I'm chicken.   I go with the tried and
true.I don't risk my money, and I don't risk my employers money.

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Re: Looking for a job

2009-10-22 Thread Weidt, James
James Tiberius Kirk is not from Iowa, well, at least not yet anyway.

Thanks,
Jim Weidt
Senior Systems Engineer
Jostens Inc.

 
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On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 09:08 -0400, Norris Jackson wrote:
 Plus the only thing I've heard of that comes from Iowa is corn, cows,
 and Radar O'Riley.

Well, there is James Tiberius Kirk.

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OA30702

2009-10-22 Thread Petersen, Jim
Watch out for this one folks.   UA49994 (1.10), UA49993 (1.9) , (I don't
know the 1.11 PTF) are in error.  They cause a storage overlay.  OA30702
will fix.  We are currently running the ++APAR.   It caused us a
production outage the other night.

 

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Re: OA30702

2009-10-22 Thread Edward Jaffe

Petersen, Jim wrote:

Watch out for this one folks.   UA49994 (1.10), UA49993 (1.9) , (I don't
know the 1.11 PTF) are in error.  They cause a storage overlay.  OA30702
will fix.  We are currently running the ++APAR.   It caused us a
production outage the other night.
  


I wonder if a production outage at Home Depot is worthy of a Red Alert?

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Re: OFF TOPIC - DELL CUSTOMER SUPPORT

2009-10-22 Thread Scott
I generally advocate getting a Mac and being done with it.  After some basic
adjustments, you'll begin to wonder why everything else feels like it's
20-years behind.

But if you get a PC, I suggest Lenovo or Fujitsu.  Even the newer HP's are
pretty good.  Always stay away from Dell.

Scott

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 6:59 AM, Arthur Gutowski aguto...@ford.com wrote:

 On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:20:55 -0500, McKown, John wrote:

 Not necessarily true. I know of a number of decent PC vendors who are
 entirely local to the US. I've even gotten a Intel i7-920 from one of them
 (Zareason) for a very good price. Of course, all my PC purchaces are 100%
 Microsoft free. (Linux bigot).
 
 http://www.zareason.com/shop/home.php
 http://www.shoprcubed.com/
 http://system76.com/
 
 and many more.

 John, thanks for the links.  Also thanks to all who provided contact info.
  I had
 a recent experience with a dock station for my home machine that I want
 to share with Dell corporate and consumer reports sites.  I used to
 think HP
 was the bottom of the barrel.  For my next machine, I'll explore my
 options.  I,
 too, wiped out Windoze for Linux, and am virus- and relatively crash-free.

 Regards,
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Re: OA30702

2009-10-22 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:49:56 -0400, Petersen, Jim
jim_peter...@homedepot.com wrote:

Watch out for this one folks.   UA49994 (1.10), UA49993 (1.9) , (I don't
know the 1.11 PTF) are in error.  They cause a storage overlay.  OA30702
will fix.  We are currently running the ++APAR.   It caused us a
production outage the other night.

 
Did this come applied with your 1.10 order?  If not, just curious why it
was on. The PE APAR (OA28639) has only had PTFs for about a month
and it is not marked HIPER and not on an RSU. 

I don't even put on HIPERs that aren't RSU unless I the description really
looks like something I think we have a good chance of running into.  I 
see too many HIPERs go PE via ASAP regularly.

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Re: Looking for a job

2009-10-22 Thread Itschak Mugzach
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Weidt, James james.we...@jostens.comwrote:

 James Tiberius Kirk is not from Iowa, well, at least not yet anyway.

 Thanks,
 Jim Weidt
 Senior Systems Engineer
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  On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 09:08 -0400, Norris Jackson wrote:
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Re: Looking for a job

2009-10-22 Thread Itschak Mugzach
Just to answer your question... look at
www.zJournal.comhttp://www.zjournal.com/
they have quit big job offering site.

ITschak

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Re: big iron mainframe vs. x86 servers

2009-10-22 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
jbaker...@comporium.net (John P. Baker) writes:
 Give that staggering number of financial transactions processed on a daily
 basis, over 90% of which is done on large-scale IBM mainframes, is it not
 strange that you have never heard of a mainframe virus?  IBM RAS and IBM
 Security (whether implemented via IBM RACF, CA ACF/2, CA-Top Secret
 Security, or some other External Security manager (ESM)) is what keep these
 systems running.

the original mainframe tcp/ip implementation was done in pascal and
never experienced any buffer length related problems ... some past
posts modifying mainframe tcp/ip so that instead of taking 3090
processor to get 44kbytes/sec ... a small part of 4341 processor
got channel speed thruput
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#1044

Majority of of internet-related exploits and vulnerability during
the 90s were buffer-length related ... associated with C language
programming enviornment  misc. past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#buffer

that started to shift in this decade to transfer of network files that
were executed containing malicious code (either automatic execution or
social engineering prompting execution). I've done some word occurance
analysis of internet theat  vulnerability reports ... and advocated
that the centers asked for categorization ... since the reports have
been free-form making it more difficult to categorize.

there were some of this kind of viruses in the 70s  80s on mainframes,
both the internal network ... some internal network past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#internalnet
and bitnet/earn
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#bitnet

lots of the financial stuff grew up in mainframe batch ... some past
references/discussions (this from linkedin greater ibm)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#51 8 ways the American information 
worker remains a Luddite
and slightly older from year ago
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008p.html#27 Father of Financial Dataprocessing

some amount of the transactions starting moving online during the 70s
 80s ... but would only be partially be performed ... with the
completion of process still being performed in mainframe batch (in
overnight batch window). In the 90s, there were several large
financial institutions that worked on leverage massive numbers of
parallel killer micros to implement straight through processing for
these online transactions (actually going to comletion). The issue was
growing business and growing global business was putting extreme
pressure on the overnight batch windows (more work  decreasing
size). However, the parallelization technology they were using added two
orders of magnitude overhead (compared to the mainframe batch)
... completely swamping any anticipated thruput increase (several
projects were billions into the efforts before doing any serious look at
the speedsfeeds and then declared success and abandoned the efforts).

On the other hand there was a lot of mainframe clustering, continuous
availability and disaster survivability done in the 70s and early 80s
... that never made it out as product. For instance at the hillgang user
group meeting yesterday ... they had presentation about new
single-system-image cluster support for z/VM. We had done that in the
mid-to-late 70s for the HONE system (world-wide online marketing and
sales support) ... and in the early 80s, for US HONE datacenter in
california, it was replicated in Dallas and then Boulder (three site,
load-balancing, and fall-over). misc. past posts mentioning HONE
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hone

Long ago and far away, my wife had been con'ed into going to POK to be
in charge of loosely-coupled architecture. She was responsible for
peer-coupled architecture ... but because of very little response at the
time (except for IMS hot-standby), she didn't stay long.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#sharedata

Later we started HA/CMP product with rs/6000s for both
availability and cluster scaleup:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hacmp
reference to Jan92 meeting on cluster scaleup
http://www.garlic.com/95.html#13
and some old email
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#medusa
however, within a month of the Jan92 meeting, the cluster scaleup was
transferred, we were told we couldn't work on anything with more than
four processors ... and then there was announcement for (JUST) the
numerical intensive marketplace:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#6000clusters1
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#6000clusters2
along with numerous others in these old posts:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#70
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#83

While we were out marketing ha/cmp, I coined the terms geographic
survivability and disaster survivability (to differentiate from disaster
recovery)I was also asked to write a section for the corporate
continuous availability strategy document ... but it got pulled after
both Rochester and POK 

Re: OFF TOPIC - DELL CUSTOMER SUPPORT

2009-10-22 Thread Scott Rowe
When it comes to PCs, I just order the parts and build it myself, it certainly 
not rocket science.  Any of this August group who have any hardware knowledge 
should be able to build a PC easily, and that way you don't have to compromise 
on hardware - you get exactly what you need, instead of some generic box that 
is more or less than you need.

 Scott sc...@aitrus.org 10/22/2009 12:44 PM 
I generally advocate getting a Mac and being done with it.  After some basic
adjustments, you'll begin to wonder why everything else feels like it's
20-years behind.

But if you get a PC, I suggest Lenovo or Fujitsu.  Even the newer HP's are
pretty good.  Always stay away from Dell.

Scott

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 6:59 AM, Arthur Gutowski aguto...@ford.com wrote:

 On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:20:55 -0500, McKown, John wrote:

 Not necessarily true. I know of a number of decent PC vendors who are
 entirely local to the US. I've even gotten a Intel i7-920 from one of them
 (Zareason) for a very good price. Of course, all my PC purchaces are 100%
 Microsoft free. (Linux bigot).
 
 http://www.zareason.com/shop/home.php 
 http://www.shoprcubed.com/ 
 http://system76.com/ 
 
 and many more.

 John, thanks for the links.  Also thanks to all who provided contact info.
  I had
 a recent experience with a dock station for my home machine that I want
 to share with Dell corporate and consumer reports sites.  I used to
 think HP
 was the bottom of the barrel.  For my next machine, I'll explore my
 options.  I,
 too, wiped out Windoze for Linux, and am virus- and relatively crash-free.

 Regards,
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Re: OFF TOPIC - DELL CUSTOMER SUPPORT

2009-10-22 Thread Fletcher, Kevin
I have to second Mr. Rowe's comment on building your own PC. The one I
built in 2003 is the best PC (out of 3, one a Dell :-( ) in my house.
Built it around a P4 chip. I built mine around the theory that you PC is
only as fast as the slowest piece of hardware (CD, disk drive, video,
etc.) So the moral of the story do not SKIMP on your hardware.

Thanks,
 
Kevin Fletcher (317) 817-3545
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Re: OFF TOPIC - DELL CUSTOMER SUPPORT

2009-10-22 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:04:34 -0400, Scott Rowe scott.r...@joann.com wrote:

When it comes to PCs, I just order the parts and build it myself, it
certainly not rocket science.  Any of this August group who have any
hardware knowledge should be able to build a PC easily, and that way you
don't have to compromise on hardware - you get exactly what you need,
instead of some generic box that is more or less than you need.


Exactly what I do.  And you don't get all the bloatware either.   I usually 
order a CPU / MBO combo and let the provider do that part (put the CPU
on the mbo).  I've also ordered bare bones systems (CPU/MBO/CASE+FANS).
The biggest PITA of building yourself is connecting all the case connectors to
the motherboard and mounting the motherboard.

When I upgrade (about every 2 years), I usually stay 1 processor speed
lower than the top model CPU (I use AMD) and it only costs a couple of
hundred dollars.  It usually isn't worth it to get the fastest one vs. price.
I've been doing this almost since my first PC.  Since I've always just
copied hard drives to bigger hard drives, I still have some stuff from my
40M hard drive from the first PC I built.  

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Re: OFF TOPIC - DELL CUSTOMER SUPPORT

2009-10-22 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Mark Zelden
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 1:27 PM
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snippage
I've been doing this almost since my first PC.  Since I've always just
copied hard drives to bigger hard drives, I still have some stuff from
my
40M hard drive from the first PC I built.  

snippage

And how well does that MFM drive work today? Or is it RLL?

Regards,
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Re: OFF TOPIC - DELL CUSTOMER SUPPORT

2009-10-22 Thread Lloyd Fuller
Actually, my first drive was SCSI.  I could get a 40MB Seagate SCCI drive with 
the controller cheaper than I get could an RLL which was just coming out at the 
time.  It was more expensive than the MFM, but it was larger and faster. :)

Lloyd

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 From: Thompson, Steve steve_thomp...@stercomm.com
 Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC - DELL CUSTOMER SUPPORT
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 2:40 PM
 -Original Message-
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 On
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 Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 1:27 PM
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC - DELL CUSTOMER SUPPORT
 
 snippage
 I've been doing this almost since my first PC.  Since
 I've always just
 copied hard drives to bigger hard drives, I still have some
 stuff from
 my
 40M hard drive from the first PC I built.  
 
 snippage
 
 And how well does that MFM drive work today? Or is it RLL?
 
 Regards,
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Re: OFF TOPIC - DELL CUSTOMER SUPPORT

2009-10-22 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:40:44 -0400, Thompson, Steve
steve_thomp...@stercomm.com wrote:

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Mark Zelden
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 1:27 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
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snippage
I've been doing this almost since my first PC.  Since I've always just
copied hard drives to bigger hard drives, I still have some stuff from
my
40M hard drive from the first PC I built.

snippage

And how well does that MFM drive work today? Or is it RLL?


I don't understand the question.  I don't have that drive, I've always
just upgraded my HDs by copying to bigger / newer technology (for 
me, that is Sata 3GB/sec). 

Mark
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Re: OFF TOPIC - DELL CUSTOMER SUPPORT

2009-10-22 Thread Linda Mooney
I do the same and build my own PCs.  By collecting the parts over a couple 
months of sales, I save a lot of money over buying a built system and I don't 
have to fight with the Help Desk.  I often reuse/scrounge cases and I run the 
case fans until they drop - but I also have an  extra, temp controlled case fan 
in every case .  When a fan gets too noisy or just quits, I can DC it and 
replace it when convenient.  Good power supplies are a must IMHO.  A cheap one 
we had, just past its warranty, took out the MOBO in my son's PC.  I also stay 
off the 'top shelf'.  Too expensive to buy a top of the line MOBO/CPU.  When 
something breaks, I fix/replace it.  



Linda Mooney 


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To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:26:50 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC - DELL CUSTOMER SUPPORT 

On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:04:34 -0400, Scott Rowe scott.r...@joann.com wrote: 

When it comes to PCs, I just order the parts and build it myself, it 
certainly not rocket science.  Any of this August group who have any 
hardware knowledge should be able to build a PC easily, and that way you 
don't have to compromise on hardware - you get exactly what you need, 
instead of some generic box that is more or less than you need. 
 

Exactly what I do.  And you don't get all the bloatware either.   I usually 
order a CPU / MBO combo and let the provider do that part (put the CPU 
on the mbo).  I've also ordered bare bones systems (CPU/MBO/CASE+FANS). 
The biggest PITA of building yourself is connecting all the case connectors to 
the motherboard and mounting the motherboard. 

When I upgrade (about every 2 years), I usually stay 1 processor speed 
lower than the top model CPU (I use AMD) and it only costs a couple of 
hundred dollars.  It usually isn't worth it to get the fastest one vs. price. 
I've been doing this almost since my first PC.  Since I've always just 
copied hard drives to bigger hard drives, I still have some stuff from my 
40M hard drive from the first PC I built.   

Mark 
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Re: OFF TOPIC - DELL CUSTOMER SUPPORT

2009-10-22 Thread Thompson, Steve
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Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC - DELL CUSTOMER SUPPORT

On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:40:44 -0400, Thompson, Steve
steve_thomp...@stercomm.com wrote:

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Mark Zelden
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 1:27 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC - DELL CUSTOMER SUPPORT

snippage
I've been doing this almost since my first PC.  Since I've always just
copied hard drives to bigger hard drives, I still have some stuff from
my
40M hard drive from the first PC I built.

snippage

And how well does that MFM drive work today? Or is it RLL?


I don't understand the question.  I don't have that drive, I've always
just upgraded my HDs by copying to bigger / newer technology (for 
me, that is Sata 3GB/sec). 

SNIPPAGE

I have a few of the old drives, but I have no way to read them to go
back and get something that wasn't copied.

Regards,
Steve Thompson

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Re: OA30702

2009-10-22 Thread Dana
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:49:56 -0400, Petersen, Jim 
jim_peter...@homedepot.com wrote:

Watch out for this one folks.   UA49994 (1.10), UA49993 (1.9) , (I don't
know the 1.11 PTF) are in error.  They cause a storage overlay. 

FYI,  the 1.11 PTF is UA49995.  It came received but not applied on our 
recent 1.11 order.

Regards
Dana

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Re: OFF TOPIC - DELL CUSTOMER SUPPORT

2009-10-22 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:25:34 -0400, Thompson, Steve
steve_thomp...@stercomm.com wrote:




snippage
I've been doing this almost since my first PC.  Since I've always just
copied hard drives to bigger hard drives, I still have some stuff from
my
40M hard drive from the first PC I built.

snippage

And how well does that MFM drive work today? Or is it RLL?


I don't understand the question.  I don't have that drive, I've always
just upgraded my HDs by copying to bigger / newer technology (for
me, that is Sata 3GB/sec).

SNIPPAGE

I have a few of the old drives, but I have no way to read them to go
back and get something that wasn't copied.


Since I've been doing it along the way as technology has changed,
I've always been able to support 2 kinds for upgrading.  So I had 
ATA/EIDE connected at the same time as SATA for example and did
the copies that way.  

I don't want to continue this O.T. subject much longer, but I do have
to admit, if you were to start from scratch, these days you can buy a
name brand pc with memory, video, dvd writer, HDs and the OS cheaper
than you can by starting from scratch.   But it didn't used to be that way.
Regardless,  if you build you own, it gives you more flexibility in upgrading
just the part(s) you want to. 

Mark
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Re: Looking for a job

2009-10-22 Thread Joel Wolpert

The link below doesn't work when you click on it. Try this:

http://mainframejobs.zjournal.com/a/jbb/find-jobs


Joel Wolpert
Performance and Capacity Planning consultant
WEBSITE: www.perfconsultant.com



Just to answer your question... look at
www.zJournal.comhttp://www.zjournal.com/
they have quit big job offering site.



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Re: OFF TOPIC - DELL CUSTOMER SUPPORT

2009-10-22 Thread Scott
I stopped suggesting that people build their own PC's, because they
invariably ask me for help.  One thing for me, though, is that I stopped
using desktops around 2002, when I went to college.  You can't really build
a laptop (it'd be more of a loltop) and I've become super evangelical with
regards to Apple's laptops.

Nothing else gives better value and quality for the $$.  There's OS X.  Plus
the maglock power cable = no more busted motherboard after tripping over the
cable.  And the battery now has a (roughly) 5-year lifetime (dependent on
recharges).  And!  It's got gizmos that detect if the laptop is off balance
and locks your HD in place (and has for 6 years now).  This is cool because
you can turn your MacBook into a light saber and the embarrassment will
cause troublesome girlfriends to leave the room.  Also, Steve Jobs' reality
distortion field causes you to furiously hit your browser's refresh button
for two hours at work, 2-3 times a year, during the keynote speeches where
they show you what you can't afford.  Truly gratifying.

Scott #2

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Scott Rowe scott.r...@joann.com wrote:

 When it comes to PCs, I just order the parts and build it myself, it
 certainly not rocket science.  Any of this August group who have any
 hardware knowledge should be able to build a PC easily, and that way you
 don't have to compromise on hardware - you get exactly what you need,
 instead of some generic box that is more or less than you need.

  Scott sc...@aitrus.org 10/22/2009 12:44 PM 
 I generally advocate getting a Mac and being done with it.  After some
 basic
 adjustments, you'll begin to wonder why everything else feels like it's
 20-years behind.

 But if you get a PC, I suggest Lenovo or Fujitsu.  Even the newer HP's are
 pretty good.  Always stay away from Dell.

 Scott

 On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 6:59 AM, Arthur Gutowski aguto...@ford.com
 wrote:

  On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:20:55 -0500, McKown, John wrote:
 
  Not necessarily true. I know of a number of decent PC vendors who are
  entirely local to the US. I've even gotten a Intel i7-920 from one of
 them
  (Zareason) for a very good price. Of course, all my PC purchaces are 100%
  Microsoft free. (Linux bigot).
  
  http://www.zareason.com/shop/home.php
  http://www.shoprcubed.com/
  http://system76.com/
  
  and many more.
 
  John, thanks for the links.  Also thanks to all who provided contact
 info.
   I had
  a recent experience with a dock station for my home machine that I want
  to share with Dell corporate and consumer reports sites.  I used to
  think HP
  was the bottom of the barrel.  For my next machine, I'll explore my
  options.  I,
  too, wiped out Windoze for Linux, and am virus- and relatively
 crash-free.
 
  Regards,
  Art Gutowski
 
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Re: OFF TOPIC - DELL CUSTOMER SUPPORT

2009-10-22 Thread Natarajan Mohan
MFM - modified frequency modulation and RLL - Run length limited... hard drive 
controller technologies used to encode how data is written :-). These were 5.25 
inch hard drives old old technology ... before ATA.

Natarajan

 Mark Zelden mark.zel...@zurichna.com 10/22/2009 12:16 PM 
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Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC - DELL CUSTOMER SUPPORT

snippage
I've been doing this almost since my first PC.  Since I've always just
copied hard drives to bigger hard drives, I still have some stuff from
my
40M hard drive from the first PC I built.

snippage

And how well does that MFM drive work today? Or is it RLL?


I don't understand the question.  I don't have that drive, I've always
just upgraded my HDs by copying to bigger / newer technology (for 
me, that is Sata 3GB/sec). 

Mark
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omvs subsystem not operational

2009-10-22 Thread Tommy Tsui

Hi all,
I try to add OMVS subsystem with SETSSI command it looks successfully
SETSSI ADD,SUB=OMVS
IEFJ022I SETSSI ADD COMMAND FOR SUBSYSTEM OMVS COMPLETED 501
SUCCESSFULLY

after I add the subsystem to SMFPRMXX
with the following command SUBSYS(OMVS,NOTYPE(30,32)) it given the  
following error


IEE968I NOTIFICATION OF SUBSYS OMVS FAILED -
IEE968I SUBSYSTEM IS NOT OPERATIONAL

anything wrong here???

thanks for help

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Re: big iron mainframe vs. x86 servers

2009-10-22 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well.


l...@garlic.com (Anne  Lynn Wheeler) writes:
 lots of the financial stuff grew up in mainframe batch ... some past
 references/discussions (this from linkedin greater ibm)
 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#51 8 ways the American information 
 worker remains a Luddite
 and slightly older from year ago
 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008p.html#27 Father of Financial Dataprocessing

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#81 big iron mainframe vs. x86 servers

... at tandem, after leaving ibm, Jim did this study:

Why Do Computers Stop and What Can Be Done About It?
http://www.hpl.hp.com/techreports/tandem/TR-85.7.pdf

from above:

An analysis of the failure statistics of a commercially available
fault-tolerant system shows that administration and software are the
major contributors to failure.

... snip ...

also ...

Fault Tolerance in Tandem Computer Systems
http://www.hpl.hp.com/techreports/tandem/TR-86.2.pdf

from above:

When the sources of faults are examined in detail, a surprising
picture emerges: Faults come from hardware, software, operations,
maintenance and environment in about equal measure. Hardware may go
for two months without giving problems and software may be equally
reliable. The result is a one month MTBF. When one adds in operator
errors, errors during maintenance, and power failures the MTBF sinks
below two-weeks.

... snip ...

in the later part of the 90s, we spent some time with large financial
transaction operation ... that had 100% availability so far in the
decade. they attributed the 100% availability to:

1) IMS hot-standby
2) automated operator

recent post about high i/o error (disk development) environment where
MVS had MTBF of 15 minutes ... and I undertook to rewrite i/o supervisor
to never fail ... also brought down the wrath of the MVS group for
just referring to the MVS failure rate internally
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#17 Broken hardware was Re: Broken 
Brancher
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#31 Justice Department probing 
allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market

other posts mentioning bldgs 14 (disk engineering)  15 (disk product
test)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#disk

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