Re: SHARE Attendance
In this economy, I am glad the attendance was as high as it was. I am normally a glass half full kind of guy anyway. :-) Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Carl Swanson Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 4:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SHARE Attendance But I do think that the important number is that of paid attendees. For me this is the most important number. It is based on this that vendors will continue to support Share as it should be supported. I work for a vendor that had a booth at Share, except I was a full paid attendee (not working the booth). I still find Share to be a valuable experience, but I was in many sessions that did not draw a crowd. Of course there were just as many that the room was filled. Many of the lightly attended session were Vendor sponsored sessions. Therefore I understand unless you have a interest in the topic (or vendor) you are not going to attend those sessions. I went to quite a few of these sessions to see what other companies are doing, in a number of them it was only other vendors in attendance (we do keep a eye on each other). How can I be certain, because I knew everyone in the room on a 1st name basis. Please note, I am fully in support of Share. But, I am concerned. Carl -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Brian Peterson Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 3:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SHARE Attendance Not quite right. There were 1,081 folks in Orlando at SHARE. See the wrap-up article published on the SHARE web site for more details about the event: http://www.share.org/Events/PastConferences/SHAREinOrlando/OrlandoWrapUpArti cle/tabid/787/Default.aspx Brian From: Carl Swanson Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 12:39:37 -0400 Thought, I would just add some number (not sure if this has already been done). I am doing this from memory so they may only be real close. 607 Paid Full Conference Attendees 950-980 Total Attendees including speakers, vendors and all full conference -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SHARE Attendance
Not quite right. There were 1,081 folks in Orlando at SHARE. See the wrap-up article published on the SHARE web site for more details about the event: http://www.share.org/Events/PastConferences/SHAREinOrlando/OrlandoWrapUpArticle/tabid/787/Default.aspx Brian From: Carl Swanson Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 12:39:37 -0400 Thought, I would just add some number (not sure if this has already been done). I am doing this from memory so they may only be real close. 607 Paid Full Conference Attendees 950-980 Total Attendees including speakers, vendors and all full conference -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SHARE Attendance
But I do think that the important number is that of paid attendees. For me this is the most important number. It is based on this that vendors will continue to support Share as it should be supported. I work for a vendor that had a booth at Share, except I was a full paid attendee (not working the booth). I still find Share to be a valuable experience, but I was in many sessions that did not draw a crowd. Of course there were just as many that the room was filled. Many of the lightly attended session were Vendor sponsored sessions. Therefore I understand unless you have a interest in the topic (or vendor) you are not going to attend those sessions. I went to quite a few of these sessions to see what other companies are doing, in a number of them it was only other vendors in attendance (we do keep a eye on each other). How can I be certain, because I knew everyone in the room on a 1st name basis. Please note, I am fully in support of Share. But, I am concerned. Carl -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Brian Peterson Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 3:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SHARE Attendance Not quite right. There were 1,081 folks in Orlando at SHARE. See the wrap-up article published on the SHARE web site for more details about the event: http://www.share.org/Events/PastConferences/SHAREinOrlando/OrlandoWrapUpArti cle/tabid/787/Default.aspx Brian From: Carl Swanson Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 12:39:37 -0400 Thought, I would just add some number (not sure if this has already been done). I am doing this from memory so they may only be real close. 607 Paid Full Conference Attendees 950-980 Total Attendees including speakers, vendors and all full conference -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SHARE Attendance
Hi Carl, I believe the 'paid' count given was for full conference (full week paid) attendees. There are those who attend for part of the week, and there may be speakers (who may very well be presenting user experience sessions) who attend for the day they present. Linda - Original Message - From: Carl Swanson carl.swans...@verizon.net To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 1:25:47 PM Subject: Re: SHARE Attendance But I do think that the important number is that of paid attendees. For me this is the most important number. It is based on this that vendors will continue to support Share as it should be supported. I work for a vendor that had a booth at Share, except I was a full paid attendee (not working the booth). I still find Share to be a valuable experience, but I was in many sessions that did not draw a crowd. Of course there were just as many that the room was filled. Many of the lightly attended session were Vendor sponsored sessions. Therefore I understand unless you have a interest in the topic (or vendor) you are not going to attend those sessions. I went to quite a few of these sessions to see what other companies are doing, in a number of them it was only other vendors in attendance (we do keep a eye on each other). How can I be certain, because I knew everyone in the room on a 1st name basis. Please note, I am fully in support of Share. But, I am concerned. Carl -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Brian Peterson Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 3:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SHARE Attendance Not quite right. There were 1,081 folks in Orlando at SHARE. See the wrap-up article published on the SHARE web site for more details about the event: http://www.share.org/Events/PastConferences/SHAREinOrlando/OrlandoWrapUpArti cle/tabid/787/Default.aspx Brian From: Carl Swanson Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 12:39:37 -0400 Thought, I would just add some number (not sure if this has already been done). I am doing this from memory so they may only be real close. 607 Paid Full Conference Attendees 950-980 Total Attendees including speakers, vendors and all full conference -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SHARE Attendance
Thought, I would just add some number (not sure if this has already been done). I am doing this from memory so they may only be real close. 607 Paid Full Conference Attendees 950-980 Total Attendees including speakers, vendors and all full conference -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Linda Mooney Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 12:29 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SHARE Attendance I was at SHARE in Anaheim (couldn't go to Orlando); skipped dinner to be sure not to miss SCIDS . I don't remember any sing-along. What time did it start? Maybe I left too early? Linda - Original Message - From: Schneck.Glenn glenn.schn...@suntrust.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 8:10:24 AM Subject: Re: SHARE Attendance I believe so, but it was small and did not go real late either. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 10:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SHARE Attendance On 8/16/2011 5:03 AM, Schneck.Glenn wrote: Not sure what happened. Kristin Harper and the zNextgen were involved in the sing along but not sure what the deal was this time. From the CICS Project I can say it was a lame 'Farewell SCIDS'. Was there a sing-along in Anaheim? -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html LEGAL DISCLAIMER The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. SunTrust is a federally registered service mark of SunTrust Banks, Inc. Live Solid. Bank Solid. is a service mark of SunTrust Banks, Inc. [ST:XCL] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SHARE Attendance
Edward Jaffe wrote: On 8/15/2011 9:00 AM, Greg Shirey wrote: The farewell reception (aka SCIDS for the old timers) was really poorly attended - that's something of a mystery to me. I didn't go to that reception because there simply wasn't time to get to dinner and back before it ended. Likewise. -- John Eells z/OS Technical Marketing IBM Poughkeepsie ee...@us.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SHARE Attendance
John, Not sure what happened. Kristin Harper and the zNextgen were involved in the sing along but not sure what the deal was this time. From the CICS Project I can say it was a lame 'Farewell SCIDS'. Glenn -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Chase, John Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 12:55 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SHARE Attendance -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Clark Morris On 15 Aug 2011 14:12:50 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: On 8/15/2011 9:00 AM, Greg Shirey wrote: The farewell reception (aka SCIDS for the old timers) was really poorly attended - that's something of a mystery to me. I didn't go to that reception because there simply wasn't time to get to dinner and back before it ended. Given that the Thursday SCIDS used to go until 1 AM with the singalong at 10 or 10:30 what was the reasoning behind the earlier hour? At age 72 was it because of people who are getting close to my age? Heck, I'm just barely 40! (That's x'40', BTW. :-) ) Seems like the old Esprit de Corps ain't what it used to be. :-( Perhaps we somehow allowed too big a gap to develop between the old guard and the new guard? -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html LEGAL DISCLAIMER The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. SunTrust is a federally registered service mark of SunTrust Banks, Inc. Live Solid. Bank Solid. is a service mark of SunTrust Banks, Inc. [ST:XCL] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SHARE Attendance
On 8/16/2011 5:03 AM, Schneck.Glenn wrote: Not sure what happened. Kristin Harper and the zNextgen were involved in the sing along but not sure what the deal was this time. From the CICS Project I can say it was a lame 'Farewell SCIDS'. Was there a sing-along in Anaheim? -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SHARE Attendance
I believe so, but it was small and did not go real late either. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 10:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SHARE Attendance On 8/16/2011 5:03 AM, Schneck.Glenn wrote: Not sure what happened. Kristin Harper and the zNextgen were involved in the sing along but not sure what the deal was this time. From the CICS Project I can say it was a lame 'Farewell SCIDS'. Was there a sing-along in Anaheim? -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html LEGAL DISCLAIMER The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. SunTrust is a federally registered service mark of SunTrust Banks, Inc. Live Solid. Bank Solid. is a service mark of SunTrust Banks, Inc. [ST:XCL] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SHARE Attendance
I was at SHARE in Anaheim (couldn't go to Orlando); skipped dinner to be sure not to miss SCIDS . I don't remember any sing-along. What time did it start? Maybe I left too early? Linda - Original Message - From: Schneck.Glenn glenn.schn...@suntrust.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 8:10:24 AM Subject: Re: SHARE Attendance I believe so, but it was small and did not go real late either. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 10:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SHARE Attendance On 8/16/2011 5:03 AM, Schneck.Glenn wrote: Not sure what happened. Kristin Harper and the zNextgen were involved in the sing along but not sure what the deal was this time. From the CICS Project I can say it was a lame 'Farewell SCIDS'. Was there a sing-along in Anaheim? -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html LEGAL DISCLAIMER The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. SunTrust is a federally registered service mark of SunTrust Banks, Inc. Live Solid. Bank Solid. is a service mark of SunTrust Banks, Inc. [ST:XCL] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SHARE Attendance
SHARE attendance was higher than the last summer meeting (Boston) and a bit smaller than this past spring (Anaheim). Glenn -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ed Gould Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 1:16 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SHARE Attendance JC: This has always amazed me and its been true for both GUIDE and SHARE. It is a *GIVEN* that any release of MVS is going to have a high attendance. Why on earth do they find the smaller rooms to stick it in? It would be one thing if its repeated (its almost never). I used to plan my day about getting to the session early and a seat. Ed From: Chase, John jch...@ussco.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 9:58 PM Subject: Re: SHARE Attendance -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rob Schramm I really hope that your skepticism is unfounded and that SHARE attendance is up. If attendance at the various receptions is any indication, SHARE attendance was definitely DOWN in Orlando. Crowds at the CICS sessions I attended were definitely smaller than I've seen in the past, and the only z/OS 1.13 sessions I attended that were close to running out of seats were the ones held in tiny rooms. Despite my perception of decreased attendance, the sessions I attended were timely for our shop because we either have upgrades in progress or scheduled to start within the next month or so. -jc- Rob Schramm Senior Systems Consultant Imperium Group On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com wrote: Wow! SHARE sold out its room allocation at the Dolphin. Overflow at the Swan also sold out. Some people are staying at an off-site hotel. So did it appear that attendance was up for this SHARE? Any real numbers? Or was there just lack of hotels for other reasons. Regards, Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html LEGAL DISCLAIMER The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. SunTrust is a federally registered service mark of SunTrust Banks, Inc. Live Solid. Bank Solid. is a service mark of SunTrust Banks, Inc. [ST:XCL] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SHARE Attendance
I wonder if what I observed at another (not SHARE) conference held at the Dolphin a number of years ago held true. Morning sessions were generally well attended, but afternoon sessions not so much as a lot of participants headed for the parks. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SHARE Attendance
The SHARE handouts are available on the website in the proceedings section. That is if the presenter uploaded them. Glenn -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Thomas Kern Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 4:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SHARE Attendance I like the UPC type square encoding my vcard information. Or just an index number into a Share attendance database of vcard information, available to all Share members or only those attending (I don't care which, but it must not go outside of those boundaries). /Tom Kern On 8/14/2011 14:59, Ed Gould wrote: Ed, Are you suggesting that each badge holder have a spot reader or the spot reader be stationed throughout SHARE? I would object to the later. Possible alternative might be one of those square(ish) UPC type encoded with your name and address for proceeding handouts? Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html LEGAL DISCLAIMER The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. SunTrust is a federally registered service mark of SunTrust Banks, Inc. Live Solid. Bank Solid. is a service mark of SunTrust Banks, Inc. [ST:XCL] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SHARE Attendance
There didn't seem to be any mid-size rooms - they either held 48 chairs or more than I wanted to count. The What we've done for you lately with PDSE session was so crammed, extra chairs were brought in, and people were still lining the back wall. The farewell reception (aka SCIDS for the old timers) was really poorly attended - that's something of a mystery to me. But I enjoyed the discussion I heard between two 20-something programmers about the relative merits of coding in assembler versus coding in Java. I would have joined in, but I code in neither... Greg Shirey Ben E. Keith Company -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Chase, John Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 9:59 PM If attendance at the various receptions is any indication, SHARE attendance was definitely DOWN in Orlando. Crowds at the CICS sessions I attended were definitely smaller than I've seen in the past, and the only z/OS 1.13 sessions I attended that were close to running out of seats were the ones held in tiny rooms. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SHARE Attendance
Glenn, Agh that#39; s the problem that is not always the case. Even now it#39;s a about 10 percent that it isn#39;t. Usually it#39;s the Important one that isn#39;t. Granted the situation better now but it#39;s still about 10 percent chance that it#39;s not. I can#39;t give you specifics as it#39;s been months since I have I have looked. As long as we have are on SHARE. They need to seriously look at upgrading searching of sessions. Countless times I have tried searching the site and have come up empty. I usually stumble on it by dumb luck. Even using session numbers nadda (which is in itself bad). Frankly I have given up using the site if I can#39;t find it first time. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SHARE Attendance -- Thursday SCIDS
I think that there was a real timing problem with the Thursday night SCIDS running from 8-10pm. The MVS Program Closing and Ask the Experts Panel ran until 7pm. If you took the bus to Downtown Disney for dinner you were lucky to arrive by 8pm, so there was no way that you could get back to SCIDS before the posted 10pm closing. Years past they would serve ice cream at 9pm, have the Sing-A-Long at 10pm, and close down at 11pm, which I think was a better schedule. /jack - Original Message - From: Greg Shirey wgshi...@benekeith.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 12:00 PM Subject: Re: SHARE Attendance The farewell reception (aka SCIDS for the old timers) was really poorly attended - that's something of a mystery to me. But I enjoyed the discussion I heard between two 20-something programmers about the relative merits of coding in assembler versus coding in Java. I would have joined in, but I code in neither... Greg Shirey Ben E. Keith Company -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SHARE Attendance
Greg Shirey of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 08/15/2011 11:00:20 AM: The farewell reception (aka SCIDS for the old timers) was really poorly attended - that's something of a mystery to me. The absence of Chuck Forney and Robert Rannie probably has something to do with it. Regards, John K -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SHARE Attendance
On 8/15/2011 9:00 AM, Greg Shirey wrote: The farewell reception (aka SCIDS for the old timers) was really poorly attended - that's something of a mystery to me. I didn't go to that reception because there simply wasn't time to get to dinner and back before it ended. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SHARE Attendance
On 15 Aug 2011 14:12:50 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: On 8/15/2011 9:00 AM, Greg Shirey wrote: The farewell reception (aka SCIDS for the old timers) was really poorly attended - that's something of a mystery to me. I didn't go to that reception because there simply wasn't time to get to dinner and back before it ended. Given that the Thursday SCIDS used to go until 1 AM with the singalong at 10 or 10:30 what was the reasoning behind the earlier hour? At age 72 was it because of people who are getting close to my age? Clark Morris -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SHARE Attendance
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Clark Morris On 15 Aug 2011 14:12:50 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: On 8/15/2011 9:00 AM, Greg Shirey wrote: The farewell reception (aka SCIDS for the old timers) was really poorly attended - that's something of a mystery to me. I didn't go to that reception because there simply wasn't time to get to dinner and back before it ended. Given that the Thursday SCIDS used to go until 1 AM with the singalong at 10 or 10:30 what was the reasoning behind the earlier hour? At age 72 was it because of people who are getting close to my age? Heck, I'm just barely 40! (That's x'40', BTW. :-) ) Seems like the old Esprit de Corps ain't what it used to be. :-( Perhaps we somehow allowed too big a gap to develop between the old guard and the new guard? -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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What if we had 'smart dots' on the SHARE badges? Oh well, just trying to help meld the techies and management aspects. The old trick used to be a business card for a copy of the session handouts or added to the 'mailing list'. Think I've still got a business card folder with a few recognizable names. In a message dated 8/13/2011 11:15:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, edja...@phoenixsoftware.com writes: Later, I realized I probably should have asked for his business card to pass along to the SHARE Marketing folks. Oh well... I guess that's why I'll always be a technician. ;-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Ed, Are you suggesting that each badge holder have a spot reader or the spot reader be stationed throughout SHARE? I would object to the later. Possible alternative might be one of those square(ish) UPC type encoded with your name and address for proceeding handouts? Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I like the UPC type square encoding my vcard information. Or just an index number into a Share attendance database of vcard information, available to all Share members or only those attending (I don't care which, but it must not go outside of those boundaries). /Tom Kern On 8/14/2011 14:59, Ed Gould wrote: Ed, Are you suggesting that each badge holder have a spot reader or the spot reader be stationed throughout SHARE? I would object to the later. Possible alternative might be one of those square(ish) UPC type encoded with your name and address for proceeding handouts? Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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There's probably an APP to do this, just requires a smart phone and an insertable antennae for broader coverage.vbg. In a message dated 8/14/2011 3:21:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tlk_sysp...@yahoo.com writes: Or just an index number into a Share attendance database of vcard information, available to all Share members or only those attending (I don't care which, but it must not go outside of those boundaries). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rob Schramm I really hope that your skepticism is unfounded and that SHARE attendance is up. If attendance at the various receptions is any indication, SHARE attendance was definitely DOWN in Orlando. Crowds at the CICS sessions I attended were definitely smaller than I've seen in the past, and the only z/OS 1.13 sessions I attended that were close to running out of seats were the ones held in tiny rooms. Despite my perception of decreased attendance, the sessions I attended were timely for our shop because we either have upgrades in progress or scheduled to start within the next month or so. -jc- Rob Schramm Senior Systems Consultant Imperium Group On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com wrote: Wow! SHARE sold out its room allocation at the Dolphin. Overflow at the Swan also sold out. Some people are staying at an off-site hotel. So did it appear that attendance was up for this SHARE? Any real numbers? Or was there just lack of hotels for other reasons. Regards, Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Maybe it is even on a track-by-track basis. In the MVS-Storage track, attendance was up. We must have had at least a half-dozen sessions that filled the room to standing room only. Of course, the rooms were smaller then before; but we normally don't have 60+ at anything except the IBM next-release session and the whats new in HSM session. This time, there many others that also hit the 60+ mark. So from the MVS-Storage track, attendance was up in Orlando. Russell Witt MVSS Project Manager -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Chase, John Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 9:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SHARE Attendance -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rob Schramm I really hope that your skepticism is unfounded and that SHARE attendance is up. If attendance at the various receptions is any indication, SHARE attendance was definitely DOWN in Orlando. Crowds at the CICS sessions I attended were definitely smaller than I've seen in the past, and the only z/OS 1.13 sessions I attended that were close to running out of seats were the ones held in tiny rooms. Despite my perception of decreased attendance, the sessions I attended were timely for our shop because we either have upgrades in progress or scheduled to start within the next month or so. -jc- Rob Schramm Senior Systems Consultant Imperium Group On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com wrote: Wow! SHARE sold out its room allocation at the Dolphin. Overflow at the Swan also sold out. Some people are staying at an off-site hotel. So did it appear that attendance was up for this SHARE? Any real numbers? Or was there just lack of hotels for other reasons. Regards, Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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JC: This has always amazed me and its been true for both GUIDE and SHARE. It is a *GIVEN* that any release of MVS is going to have a high attendance. Why on earth do they find the smaller rooms to stick it in? It would be one thing if its repeated (its almost never). I used to plan my day about getting to the session early and a seat. Ed From: Chase, John jch...@ussco.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 9:58 PM Subject: Re: SHARE Attendance -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rob Schramm I really hope that your skepticism is unfounded and that SHARE attendance is up. If attendance at the various receptions is any indication, SHARE attendance was definitely DOWN in Orlando. Crowds at the CICS sessions I attended were definitely smaller than I've seen in the past, and the only z/OS 1.13 sessions I attended that were close to running out of seats were the ones held in tiny rooms. Despite my perception of decreased attendance, the sessions I attended were timely for our shop because we either have upgrades in progress or scheduled to start within the next month or so. -jc- Rob Schramm Senior Systems Consultant Imperium Group On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com wrote: Wow! SHARE sold out its room allocation at the Dolphin. Overflow at the Swan also sold out. Some people are staying at an off-site hotel. So did it appear that attendance was up for this SHARE? Any real numbers? Or was there just lack of hotels for other reasons. Regards, Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On 8/12/2011 8:51 AM, Schneck.Glenn wrote: Attendence was up from Boston and close to Anaheim. It seems up from past years and the sessions were very good and well attended. Attendance in the 11AM Monday MVS Core Technologies Project Opening was 16.5% higher than in Anaheim. (We had 162 in Orlando compared to 139 in Anaheim.) I noticed a lot of new faces in our sessions all week. A guy came up to me yesterday, after the Bit Bucket, and told me he has been coming to SHARE every year or so since 1998 and he thought this was the best conference yet! Naturally, I asked him to be sure to write that in his conference evaluation. Later, I realized I probably should have asked for his business card to pass along to the SHARE Marketing folks. Oh well... I guess that's why I'll always be a technician. ;-) -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I really hope that your skepticism is unfounded and that SHARE attendance is up. Rob Schramm Senior Systems Consultant Imperium Group On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com wrote: Wow! SHARE sold out its room allocation at the Dolphin. Overflow at the Swan also sold out. Some people are staying at an off-site hotel. So did it appear that attendance was up for this SHARE? Any real numbers? Or was there just lack of hotels for other reasons. Regards, Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I didn't read it as skepticism, more of curiosity. I, too, hope SHARE attendance is up too, and am curious, as Mark is, to know what the numbers are. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Rob Schramm Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 10:10 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SHARE Attendance I really hope that your skepticism is unfounded and that SHARE attendance is up. Rob Schramm Senior Systems Consultant Imperium Group On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com wrote: Wow! SHARE sold out its room allocation at the Dolphin. Overflow at the Swan also sold out. Some people are staying at an off-site hotel. So did it appear that attendance was up for this SHARE? Any real numbers? Or was there just lack of hotels for other reasons. Regards, Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html The information contained in this e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited and that you will be held responsible for any such unauthorized activity, including liability for any resulting damages. As appropriate, such incident(s) may also be reported to law enforcement. If you received this e-mail in error, please reply to sender and destroy or delete the message and any attachments. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Did that sound skeptical? Funny how email works.I wasn't making an assertion one way or the other. I'm just curious if the numbers support what the hotel situation was. I also hope attendance is up. Regards, Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:10:05 -0400, Rob Schramm rob.schr...@gmail.com wrote: I really hope that your skepticism is unfounded and that SHARE attendance is up. Rob Schramm Senior Systems Consultant Imperium Group On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com wrote: Wow! SHARE sold out its room allocation at the Dolphin. Overflow at the Swan also sold out. Some people are staying at an off-site hotel. So did it appear that attendance was up for this SHARE? Any real numbers? Or was there just lack of hotels for other reasons. Regards, Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Sorry Mark.. maybe it is just me... I suppose I have fallen into a bit of pit of skepticism listening to all the political double-speak as of late. Rob Schramm Senior Systems Consultant Imperium Group On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com wrote: Did that sound skeptical? Funny how email works.I wasn't making an assertion one way or the other. I'm just curious if the numbers support what the hotel situation was. I also hope attendance is up. Regards, Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:10:05 -0400, Rob Schramm rob.schr...@gmail.com wrote: I really hope that your skepticism is unfounded and that SHARE attendance is up. Rob Schramm Senior Systems Consultant Imperium Group On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com wrote: Wow! SHARE sold out its room allocation at the Dolphin. Overflow at the Swan also sold out. Some people are staying at an off-site hotel. So did it appear that attendance was up for this SHARE? Any real numbers? Or was there just lack of hotels for other reasons. Regards, Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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The Angry Birds IPO is issued at $1.2B, who woulda thunk? In a message dated 8/12/2011 10:37:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, rob.schr...@gmail.com writes: political double-speak as of late -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Attendence was up from Boston and close to Anaheim. It seems up from past years and the sessions were very good and well attended. Glenn From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Rob Schramm Sent: Fri 8/12/2011 11:37 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SHARE Attendance Sorry Mark.. maybe it is just me... I suppose I have fallen into a bit of pit of skepticism listening to all the political double-speak as of late. Rob Schramm Senior Systems Consultant Imperium Group On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com wrote: Did that sound skeptical? Funny how email works.I wasn't making an assertion one way or the other. I'm just curious if the numbers support what the hotel situation was. I also hope attendance is up. Regards, Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:10:05 -0400, Rob Schramm rob.schr...@gmail.com wrote: I really hope that your skepticism is unfounded and that SHARE attendance is up. Rob Schramm Senior Systems Consultant Imperium Group On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com wrote: Wow! SHARE sold out its room allocation at the Dolphin. Overflow at the Swan also sold out. Some people are staying at an off-site hotel. So did it appear that attendance was up for this SHARE? Any real numbers? Or was there just lack of hotels for other reasons. Regards, Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html LEGAL DISCLAIMER The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. SunTrust is a federally registered service mark of SunTrust Banks, Inc. Live Solid. Bank Solid. is a service mark of SunTrust Banks, Inc. [ST:XCL] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I was too busy snubbing Sam to get them all. Not really, I got the lowdown on the peel-off labels. From what I saw, three of the Route 22 labels were taken. I had to ask why 22, and learned the age. And the relevance of the elephant? Twelve of those appeared to be taken. So did the twelve to 15 of you who took labels ever find someone wearing one? On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 01:12:43 EDT, Ed Finnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you see Sam Knutson he's got a couple hundred ibm-main peel-off labels for virtual and real easels-won't cost a thing. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In a message dated 8/18/2008 9:14:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: had to ask why 22, and learned the age. And the relevance of the elephant? Twelve of those appeared to be taken. So did the twelve to 15 of you who took labels ever find someone wearing one? Just a clumsy attempt to tie our mascot into the art dejure. Wordart needs to grow a bit. They were 1 1/2 8293 variety suitable for organizers, laptops and pocket protectors. Ibm-main emblem and the yellow ibm-main dots were 1 5410 stock for badges, ribbons and slide rules. Our first successful football coach was Wallace Wade and he was crafty. Used to start the second team then bring in the 'varsity' in the second quarter. Maybe this link explains it a little more: _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Alabama_traditions_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Alabama_traditions) Haven't got a report from Sam K yet. Maybe it's the jet lag... **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I had people look at my badge and ask me. I could actually answer. Not sure if I met up with another Route 22... . . JO.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ed Finnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] OMTo Sent by: IBM IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Mainframe cc Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject .EDU Re: Share Attendance 08/18/2008 10:10 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] .EDU In a message dated 8/18/2008 9:14:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: had to ask why 22, and learned the age. And the relevance of the elephant? Twelve of those appeared to be taken. So did the twelve to 15 of you who took labels ever find someone wearing one? Just a clumsy attempt to tie our mascot into the art dejure. Wordart needs to grow a bit. They were 1 1/2 8293 variety suitable for organizers, laptops and pocket protectors. Ibm-main emblem and the yellow ibm-main dots were 1 5410 stock for badges, ribbons and slide rules. Our first successful football coach was Wallace Wade and he was crafty. Used to start the second team then bring in the 'varsity' in the second quarter. Maybe this link explains it a little more: _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Alabama_traditions_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Alabama_traditions) Haven't got a report from Sam K yet. Maybe it's the jet lag... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In a message dated 8/19/2008 12:20:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if I met up with another Route 22... The idea was from the 'information super highway'... **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM-MAIN longevity (was Re: Share Attendance)
-snip If so, and if someone will give me the missing date ranges, I'll look around and try to find my archives which should be pretty complete. (I just hope that I don't have to get them off of a 3480 cartridge, which I basically can't do.) Probably easier than 9-track tape. unsnip I believe there's a company, with a name something like Data Recovery Services, that could probably recover data even from a 7-track/200 BPI tape. I heard about it somewhere when I was still working, but never followed it up. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 07/30/2008 at 11:44 AM, Leonard D Woren [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: If so, and if someone will give me the missing date ranges, I'll look around and try to find my archives which should be pretty complete. (I just hope that I don't have to get them off of a 3480 cartridge, which I basically can't do.) Probably easier than 9-track tape. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-snip Well, it might be that it was cheaper than lugging and storing. All for times gone by, buttoned down minds and pinheads drive me to distraction. Lost funding for SHARE long time ago, haven't been back since early nineties. Was ISPF project chair in early eighties and again lost funding. Semi-retired now and don't travel much at all. If you see Sam Knutson he's got a couple hundred ibm-main peel-off labels for virtual and real easels-won't cost a thing. ---unsnip- At least outside Chicago you don't have to hire a union stevedore to haul it from your car to the exhibition hall, and a union carpenter to stand it up, and a union printer to hang the sign on it, etc., all at 2-hour minimums. Oh, and don't forget the union electrician that has to plug in your extension cord, and your laptop's power supply, and the union carpenter that has to come back to insert any hooks into your pegboard display panel. Location has a LOT to do with costs and I'm sure that SHARE would like to keep costs to a minimum level. (All those union tradesmen cost a minimum of $34 per hour, for 2 to 4 hour minimums.) Sarcasm intended!!! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In a message dated 8/2/2008 10:10:55 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sarcasm intended!!! Yeah, the other heavy hitter is 'room service rates' for the chips at SCIDS. Last time I saw numbers it was $16 a bowl(but that was 1991) other sources say it's really high now! **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000517 ) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Yes Ed, it is. So is saying 'put up open easels' without thinking through how to make that happen. (Patience - I'll get to what happens these days.) These open easels need to come from somewhere. Since SHARE is a User Group, it takes users with ideas to help move it along into an action. Just throwing out the idea and hoping someone will pick up your flag and carry it (old military process) does not get things done. When getting the easel takes money then another set of users get involved. SHARE, like any corporation/company, can't just wave the wand and have things happen. (Patience - I'm getting to today.) I'm lucky to sit low on the org chart and not have to deal with how money gets spent. But I can think, 'would you be happy if we raised registration by a buck per person so these easels can just be put up?' And then by another buck for the next idea tossed out there? And another buck, and another? Somewhere we get bogged down in trying to keep costs low for a User run conference and what can be done. (Not my job.) These kinds of road blocks exist. What has recently been happening is that the same easels that are outside of the sessions are being brought into the reception for these things. Laugh as I tell how long it took for something as simple as that to happen. Somebody empowered themselves to think outside the box. My guess is that staff turnover and the MEET THE PROJECTS RECEPTION where we need lots of easels clicked in someone's head. So maybe now we need to find who has the IBM-MAIN banner and get it into SHARE's hands if we want it up. It makes me wonder though, since projects usually have a table and the project volunteers try to hang out there to meet and greet, who is it (if we need someone) that is hanging out at IBM-MAIN. In the days I was carting the IBM-MAIN and MVSE banner from one day to the next day I had no idea what it stood for nor who would choose to sit there. Nowadays I do. SHARE needs users with ideas and the backbone to try and make them happen. And then I have to put a disclaimer that I do not speak for SHARE, I'm just involved and doing things. Sometimes throwing out ideas and hoping someone else will pick up my flag and carry it into battle, sometimes kicking the hornets nest and getting the bees buzzing. Get to a SHARE Conference, get to the MVS table(s) and hook up with us. (But look for me over by Rexx - I'm with three projects now and still help MVS/SCP (MVSE). Now if I can only remember who had IBM-MAIN ... On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 01:03:10 EDT, Ed Finnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/31/2008 9:55:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: was sheparding banners for other projects and the MVS banner is now handled in this fashion. We still have our own stand. IBM-MAIN is sitting in someone's house. Seems silly to me. Put up open easels and let the projects print their goodies. Sam K. sent Darren the IBM-Main sign several years back... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In a message dated 8/1/2008 11:29:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm lucky to sit low on the org chart and not have to deal with how money gets spent. But I can think, 'would you be happy if we raised registration by a buck per person so these easels can just be put up?' And then by another buck for the next idea tossed out there? And another buck, and another? Well, it might be that it was cheaper than lugging and storing. All for times gone by, buttoned down minds and pinheads drive me to distraction. Lost funding for SHARE long time ago, haven't been back since early nineties. Was ISPF project chair in early eighties and again lost funding. Semi-retired now and don't travel much at all. If you see Sam Knutson he's got a couple hundred ibm-main peel-off labels for virtual and real easels-won't cost a thing. **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000517 ) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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There used to always be an IBM-MAIN table at SCIDS. I think it had disappeared last time I was there. ... I heard SHARE requested it be disbanded because only SHARE projects or programs were allowed official tables. This may have happened when SCIDS was replaced by Meet the Projects. Rumors are fun to read. As with anything you read or hear, check the facts. Being a little closer to the truth - SHARE never really had tables, Projects and Programs had a volunteer who carted the banner and method to keep it upright to and from the conference. If a Project did not bring a banner then they had no banner. Over time, banners (flags) have been extended to include a card for Rexx, a dinosaur, a spider, and some other variations. Somewhere before my time, the MVS SCP Project was carting the IBM-MAIN banner (flag) and stand and the MVS banner and stand. In my time we discussed coming up with something lighter and newer. Then the volunteer who had it, left it home since we were still talking about the redesign. So when it wasn't brought to one conference, no one seemed to notice, and we just stopped bringing it. No one at SHARE asked us to stop putting it up as far as I know. More recently we learned the company that supports SHARE in running the user group was sheparding banners for other projects and the MVS banner is now handled in this fashion. We still have our own stand. IBM-MAIN is sitting in someone's house. A few years back, SHARE started a Meet the Projects Reception and prints a poster card for each Project that is willing to 'staff' the table on Sunday night. That card is not put on tables, projects still need their own thingy. And where Projects were supposed to pick up their own thingy from the HQ room on Sunday afternoon, or bring it to the conference, the staff are now putting them up on Sunday. MVS SCP then handles taking down the MVS banner each night and setting it up at the next reception. After Thursday it goes back in a case, off to Chicago, and shows up at the next conference. Trying to get one volunteer to take it home worked while they made it to the next conference. If they could not, then they had to ship it someone who thought they would be going. That ws getting tricky, so letting it go with the cases of conference stuff back to Chicago is working quite well. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In a message dated 7/31/2008 9:55:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: was sheparding banners for other projects and the MVS banner is now handled in this fashion. We still have our own stand. IBM-MAIN is sitting in someone's house. Seems silly to me. Put up open easels and let the projects print their goodies. Sam K. sent Darren the IBM-Main sign several years back... **Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr000520) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
IBM-MAIN longevity (was Re: Share Attendance)
Ed Finnell wrote on 7/29/2008 7:15 AM: [snip] Darren is the only owner it's ever had, IBM-Main celebrated it's 22nd birthday in June. Rats... I didn't subscribe until July 1986. Unless it's already been done somewhere, someday I'm going to dig up all of the list traffic and produce a graph of average posts/day by month. Another graph that might be amusing would be tallies of subscribers by number of years subscribed. Of course, with email addresses changing this would be a quite difficult statistic to do accurately. (I'm on about my 6th email address for this list and now change it semi-regularly due to spam.) /Leonard P.S. I've been the listowner of ISPF-L for most of its 22 years. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM-MAIN longevity (was Re: Share Attendance)
Unless it's already been done somewhere, someday I'm going to dig up all of the list traffic and produce a graph of average posts/day by month. My understanding is that some of the early years were lost from the archives. And, quite frankly, I cannot even remember when I started my first subscription. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM-MAIN longevity (was Re: Share Attendance)
In a message dated 7/30/2008 1:24:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: be amusing would be tallies of subscribers by number of years subscribed. Of course, with email addresses changing this would be a quite difficult statistic to do accurately. (I'm on about my 6th email address for this list and now change it semi-regularly due to spam.) I'm sure LSOFT has this just don't know how far back they go. **Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr000520) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM-MAIN longevity (was Re: Share Attendance)
Ted MacNEIL wrote on 7/30/2008 11:36 AM: My understanding is that some of the early years were lost from the archives. If so, and if someone will give me the missing date ranges, I'll look around and try to find my archives which should be pretty complete. (I just hope that I don't have to get them off of a 3480 cartridge, which I basically can't do.) And, quite frankly, I cannot even remember when I started my first subscription. The reason that I remember is because I had just started at USC (University of Southern California) in mid-July 1986 and a coworker had me subscribe to IBM-MAIN. /Leonard -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM-MAIN longevity (was Re: Share Attendance)
In a message dated 7/30/2008 1:44:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: around and try to find my archives which should be pretty complete. (I just hope that I don't have to get them off of a 3480 cartridge, which I basically can't do.) Darren will have to answer when he gets loose. I think there was a bad tape somewhere along the line but was able to piece most of it back together. **Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr000520) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Share Attendance
Ed Finnell of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 07/28/2008 03:24:02 PM: In a message dated 7/28/2008 3:10:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This may have happened when SCIDS was replaced by Meet the Projects. Fraid it's more subliminal than that. So you have a list that transmogrifies most projects and has been in existence since 1986 irrespective of politics and reorgs...and SHARE won't let it have one little peep of recognition-Shame, shame. Ed, Thank you for IBM-MAIN. I remember the days when there were hundreds of SHARE Posts and many replies to the posts. At my last SHARE in Baltimore I think there were just 2 SHARE Posts and no replies. In regards to the S word, I heard there weren't enough people at SCIDS in Orlando to even S them. Regards, John K -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In a message dated 7/29/2008 7:29:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you for IBM-MAIN. I remember the days when there were hundreds of SHARE Posts and many replies to the posts. At my last SHARE in Baltimore I think there were just 2 SHARE Posts and no replies. The UofA was early participants in Arpanet and charter members of bitnet. Guess I came back in '86 to help with the MVS conversion. The VM guy was good and I was pretty good at MVS and had done VM but we were having trouble with some of finer points of crossdomain, printers, networking, etc...so IBM-Main Candle, Pmail list were started to fill in the gaps for stuff we couldn't find in the manuals and ended up trial and error. When the light went on that if we were having these problems, maybe somebody else could benefit from our experiences. Darren is the only owner it's ever had, IBM-Main celebrated it's 22nd birthday in June. For long time subscribers it's been bumpy at times but I've sure learned more than I'd thought and value the inputs from developers internal and external to IBM. **Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr000520) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Share Attendance
snip-- Yes, IBM-MAIN no longer has an official table, but you can usually spot IBM-Main members at either the MVS, JES2 or JES3 table. However, I generally find that the easiest way to meet IBM-Main'ers at SCIDS to stand around the unofficial IBM-Main table (aka the Bar). And regardless of whatever others may say, that is the one and only reason I hang out around the Bar (that's my story and I'm sticking with it). -unsnip--- Let me suggest an alternative mechanism: let all IBM-MAIN members wear their ID badges on their left shoulders, facing to the wearer's left. I'd love to meet other members face-to-face, but the economics are prohibitive in my case. Maybe when SHARE comes back to Chicago... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In a message dated 7/29/2008 1:09:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd love to meet other members face-to-face, but the economics are prohibitive in my case. Maybe when SHARE comes back to Chicago... I'll make ibm-main Dots if anybody does that kind of stuff any more. **Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr000520) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Share Attendance
Pat O'Keefe wrote: I won't be there. Snub someone for me. :-) ..and John Chase wrote: I'll be absent as well. Please snub Ed Jaffe, Chris Craddock, Bob Yelavich, and whoever else comes to mind for me. :-) Well, how thrillingd to see the birth of a Chorus of Snubs! Not unknown in earlier times, more recently this choir has gone by various names: * The Snubbettes * The Cut-Me-Deads * Icycles On Tricycles. [The Icycles' best known single: Cold Shoulders To CryOn.] [their best known imitators: Chilly Willy (always small, never really a stand-out)] And.. I'm sensing a market segment opening here.. Snubbing Oil; (just douse the snubee and [ ] == fill in the blanks yourself ) Snub-Me; a wall-mounted mirror, at home or work, in which you can ignore yourself whenever you wish. Snubbery; a special snubbing room for those who can afford to add one to their home. Snubflakes; A breakfast food which you bring to the front of the shelf each night then push to the back each morning. SnubKnows A TV quiz show where the host never asks the one person who is practically wetting themselves because they know the answer. Snub-U.edu; Get qualified! All the way from apprentice snub right through to Doctor of Snubosophy! Snubsmirk; following a successful snub, that special silent sniggering that can occasionally result in passing paramedics throwing you to the floor, applying the paddles to your naked chest and shouting Clear! (Bt! It's a tough way to get Frequent Fryer points). Snubstaurant; where snubbees go, not to eat, but to never get noticed by waiters, until they try to leave without paying! Snubsecond; the time it takes to realise that you've been snubbed! Snubyear; the time it takes for the snubee to recover his balance, equilibrium and wallet. .. Alas, NOT! will I, this Share attend; With 'ternal tyrant distance to contend, and those oxy-fractious Jumbos* on the mend, I'll not chance she'll hit too hard, and bend. [* Jumbo might be a regd. mark of the Boing! Corp.] Now, if this post sinks without a response.. yup, that would be a serious s**b :-) In anxious anticipation, I remain, not yours :-) Graeme. So much time, so little to do! (WW) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Share Attendance
Hi, I'm on my way... Best Regards. Sergio E. Castro Hitachi Data Systems 10277 ?Scripps Ranch Boulevard San Diego, California 92131 USA Phone: +858-537-3075 Office +760-213-9255 Cell/Mobile Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Graeme Gibson Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:46 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Share Attendance Pat O'Keefe wrote: I won't be there. Snub someone for me. :-) ..and John Chase wrote: I'll be absent as well. Please snub Ed Jaffe, Chris Craddock, Bob Yelavich, and whoever else comes to mind for me. :-) Well, how thrillingd to see the birth of a Chorus of Snubs! Not unknown in earlier times, more recently this choir has gone by various names: * The Snubbettes * The Cut-Me-Deads * Icycles On Tricycles. [The Icycles' best known single: Cold Shoulders To CryOn.] [their best known imitators: Chilly Willy (always small, never really a stand-out)] And.. I'm sensing a market segment opening here.. Snubbing Oil; (just douse the snubee and [ ] == fill in the blanks yourself ) Snub-Me; a wall-mounted mirror, at home or work, in which you can ignore yourself whenever you wish. Snubbery; a special snubbing room for those who can afford to add one to their home. Snubflakes; A breakfast food which you bring to the front of the shelf each night then push to the back each morning. SnubKnows A TV quiz show where the host never asks the one person who is practically wetting themselves because they know the answer. Snub-U.edu; Get qualified! All the way from apprentice snub right through to Doctor of Snubosophy! Snubsmirk; following a successful snub, that special silent sniggering that can occasionally result in passing paramedics throwing you to the floor, applying the paddles to your naked chest and shouting Clear! (Bt! It's a tough way to get Frequent Fryer points). Snubstaurant; where snubbees go, not to eat, but to never get noticed by waiters, until they try to leave without paying! Snubsecond; the time it takes to realise that you've been snubbed! Snubyear; the time it takes for the snubee to recover his balance, equilibrium and wallet. .. Alas, NOT! will I, this Share attend; With 'ternal tyrant distance to contend, and those oxy-fractious Jumbos* on the mend, I'll not chance she'll hit too hard, and bend. [* Jumbo might be a regd. mark of the Boing! Corp.] Now, if this post sinks without a response.. yup, that would be a serious s**b :-) In anxious anticipation, I remain, not yours :-) Graeme. So much time, so little to do! (WW) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Graeme Gibson wrote: So much time, so little to do! (WW) And, though clever, your whimsical post demonstrates quite clearly that some people have far, far too much of it! :-) Sorry you won't be joining us... -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Not that I will be there, but I must ask... WHICH Doctor Who will it be? On Mon Jul 28 12:19 , Lizette Koehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Gang, My boss approved me going to Share in San Jose next weekend. If you would like to meet the face behind the emails, I will be wearing my Doctor Who Tee-shirt at SCIDS. Just come up and say hi. Would love to meet the faces behind the names. Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I too, after being absent since San Francisco in '99 will be making the trip. Looking forward to seeing one and all. tb -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 11:19 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Share Attendance Gang, My boss approved me going to Share in San Jose next weekend. If you would like to meet the face behind the emails, I will be wearing my Doctor Who Tee-shirt at SCIDS. Just come up and say hi. Would love to meet the faces behind the names. Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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As others have indicated they are returning to SHARE after a long absence I too will be returning to this SHARE after being away for over 5 years. Y'all have been warned :-) Lionel B. Dyck, Consultant/Specialist Enterprise Platform Services, Mainframe Engineering KP-IT Enterprise Engineering 925-926-5332 (8-473-5332) | E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: lbdyck | Yahoo IM: lbdyck Kaiser Service Credo: Our cause is health. Our passion is service. We're here to make lives better. I never guess. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. - Sir Arthur Conan Doyle NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In my humble opinion - David Tennet is the BEST. Used to think it was Tom Baker, but I really like the way DT does it. Lizette -Original Message- From: Gary Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jul 28, 2008 1:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Share Attendance Not that I will be there, but I must ask... WHICH Doctor Who will it be? On Mon Jul 28 12:19 , Lizette Koehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Gang, My boss approved me going to Share in San Jose next weekend. If you would like to meet the face behind the emails, I will be wearing my Doctor Who Tee-shirt at SCIDS. Just come up and say hi. Would love to meet the faces behind the names. Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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There used to always be an IBM-MAIN table at SCIDS. I think it had disappeared last time I was there. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 11:19 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Share Attendance Gang, My boss approved me going to Share in San Jose next weekend. If you would like to meet the face behind the emails, I will be wearing my Doctor Who Tee-shirt at SCIDS. Just come up and say hi. Would love to meet the faces behind the names. Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:22:50 -0500, Miller, Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There used to always be an IBM-MAIN table at SCIDS. I think it had disappeared last time I was there. ... I heard SHARE requested it be disbanded because only SHARE projects or programs were allowed official tables. This may have happened when SCIDS was replaced by Meet the Projects. I won't be there. Snub someone for me. :-) Pat O'Keefe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Share Attendance
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Patrick O'Keefe [ snip ] I won't be there. Snub someone for me. :-) I'll be absent as well. Please snub Ed Jaffe, Chris Craddock, Bob Yelavich, and whoever else comes to mind for me. :-) -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Share Attendance
Yes, IBM-MAIN no longer has an official table, but you can usually spot IBM-Main members at either the MVS, JES2 or JES3 table. However, I generally find that the easiest way to meet IBM-Main'ers at SCIDS to stand around the unofficial IBM-Main table (aka the Bar). And regardless of whatever others may say, that is the one and only reason I hang out around the Bar (that's my story and I'm sticking with it). Wayne Driscoll Product Developer NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick O'Keefe Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 2:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Share Attendance On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:22:50 -0500, Miller, Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There used to always be an IBM-MAIN table at SCIDS. I think it had disappeared last time I was there. ... I heard SHARE requested it be disbanded because only SHARE projects or programs were allowed official tables. This may have happened when SCIDS was replaced by Meet the Projects. I won't be there. Snub someone for me. :-) Pat O'Keefe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Share Attendance
In a message dated 7/28/2008 3:10:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This may have happened when SCIDS was replaced by Meet the Projects. Fraid it's more subliminal than that. So you have a list that transmogrifies most projects and has been in existence since 1986 irrespective of politics and reorgs...and SHARE won't let it have one little peep of recognition-Shame, shame. **Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr000520) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SHARE attendance
Patrick O'Keefe wrote: Considering the decline in the number of mainframe shops, the decline in SHARE attendance is understandable. And lamentable. SHARE was formed at a time when intercommunication between installations was limited and systems had many problems. For decades, SHARE (and GUIDE) participation was seen as crucial for maintaining a competent and competitive IT (aka Data Processing) organization. These days, information is cheap and communication easy. Just look at the wealth of information, discussion and collaboration available right here on IBM-Main! Ask a question; get an answer the same day! (A lot of noise too. Just focus in on what Mark Zelden has to say and you'll be AOK.) Mainframe systems are so reliable, they're taken for granted. And, web sites now provide manuals, flashes, white papers, wizards, tutorials, instant downloads of products and service, and seemingly everything else one might need to run a smooth IT organization. Because of this, the value proposition of SHARE, while still tremendous, is less obvious than it once was. And as such, it's less likely to draw the same level of interest as in the past. This would be true even if the number of mainframe shops was increasing. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SHARE attendance
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/14/2006 at 06:43 AM, Denise P. Kalm [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Chair became accepted practice as a way of making the position sound less sexist back when people cared. Doesn't the parliamentary form The chair recognizes foo go back much further than that? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SHARE attendance
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main as well. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Patrick O'Keefe) writes: I hate to argue with furniture (and hate even more when it argues back) but I'm pretty sure there was a SHARE in eithr L.A. or San Francisco that was around 5000. I remember it being commented on at the General Session. Considering the decline in the number of mainframe shops, the decline in SHARE attendance is understandable. And lamentable. i remember several shares being regularly on the order of 5000 and comments about the size limiting the locations available for the meetings. then there were a couple combined guide/share meetings that were a little larger (maybe around 6000?) i seem to also remember that some locations had various kinds of labor rules ... resulting in some claim that SHARE would never go back to those places. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SHARE Attendance
i remember several shares being regularly on the order of 5000 and comments about the size limiting the locations available for the meetings. then there were a couple combined guide/share meetings that were a little larger (maybe around 6000?) SHARE and GUIDE had two combined meetings, the first in October 1968 and the second in Washington in 1998. The combined attendance in 1968 was about 3500 and in 1998 about 2100. Peek SHARE attendance was 5806 in Anaheim in 1990. The high attendance was the catalyst for IBM to begin running its own conferences. SHARE develops a budget by estimating attendance and multiplying by the registration rate to calculate anticipated revenue. SHARE made its budget numbers for Seattle and Baltimore and the budget is balanced for 2006. Incidentally, the 1968 meeting preceded a vote to merge SHARE and GUIDE. The merger was approved by both the SHARE and GUIDE Boards, but was subsequently rejected by the SHARE membership. i seem to also remember that some locations had various kinds of labor rules ... resulting in some claim that SHARE would never go back to those places. These problems are ongoing. Chicago in 1999 was particularly bad with respect to unions. The service was good, but the cost was prohibitive. Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SHARE attendance
Patrick O'Keefe wrote: On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:46:10 -0400, John S. Giltner, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... As for this Share's attendance compared to prior years. In the same session that the chair was talking to me, one of the tables told me that in the late 90's they peaked at about 3000. Well, it really wasn't a table, it was the chair again. :) ... I hate to argue with furniture (and hate even more when it argues back) but I'm pretty sure there was a SHARE in eithr L.A. or San Francisco that was around 5000. I remember it being commented on at the General Session. Considering the decline in the number of mainframe shops, the decline in SHARE attendance is understandable. And lamentable. Pat O'Keefe This may be a issue of my grammar, or lack there of. I will try to restate what I was told, just to clear it up a bit. Of the Share's held during the late 90's the peak attendance was about 3,000. I did not mean to imply that the peak attendance of all Share's ever held was 3,000. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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As SHARE attendance increased, the number of cities where it would fit dwindled. I believe there was indeed a Task Force on Growth (TFOG) which considered constraining attendance. Based on the attendance trend (from 6000 down to 1000 or so) since TFOG was chartered, this was clearly one of SHARE's more successful initiatives. [Yes, joking. Though planning to constrain mainframe conference attendance just as the mainframe ere was ending does reflect a cloudy or at least smudged crystal ball.] Anne Lynn Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: i remember several shares being regularly on the order of 5000 and comments about the size limiting the locations available for the meetings. then there were a couple combined guide/share meetings that were a little larger (maybe around 6000?) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Chair became accepted practice as a way of making the position sound less sexist back when people cared. Chairperson was awkward and this seemed to work for some. It has persisted since then, despite the fact that making people into inanimate objects may actually seem more offensive to some. Denise P. Kalm Sr. Product Marketing Manager Enterprise Systems Management CA, Inc. formerly Cybermation 925-946-1384 (work) 925-382-9079 (cell) Walnut Creek, CA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU 09/13/2006 04:55 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject Re: SHARE attendance In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/13/2006 at 02:57 PM, (IBM Mainframe Discussion List) [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [2] Newspeak for chairman. No; the use of chair to refer to the office is old. IANAP, but I believe that there is a subtle difference between chair and chairman, possibly that the former refers to the office rather than to the office holder. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I know some people who are essentially inanimate objects. Me, before I have had my coffee, for instance. Jon snip Chair became accepted practice as a way of making the position sound less sexist back when people cared. Chairperson was awkward and this seemed to work for some. It has persisted since then, despite the fact that making people into inanimate objects may actually seem more offensive to some. /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SHARE attendance
On 14 Sep 2006 06:44:00 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main (Message-ID:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chair became accepted practice as a way of making the position sound less sexist back when people cared. My 1953 Webster's 2nd gives presiding officer as one of the definitions of chair. That's well before the time you're talking about. (And, it's in the main dictionary, not the addenda.) I took Tom's original comment about talking furniture to be an attempt at humor. Given the responses, others have either not taken it that way, or run the joke deep into the ground. If we're done with humor, and the definitions and evolution of English words, can we get back to something vaguely related to the purpose of this Listserv (or at least matching the Subject line)? For instance, how does the attendance match up with prior years, especially those years when dinosaurs ruled the world? -- I cannot receive mail at the address this was sent from. To reply directly, send to ar23hur at intergate dot com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Chairs, chairpersons, sponsors, speakers, and pundits aside, maybe it's time for SHARE to virtualize. A company could opt for a video conference into a specific session, or sessions, and pay a usage fee. Between travel costs and extra security measures, it is getting quite costly, isn't it? Daniel McLaughlin ZOS Systems Programmer Crawford Company PH: 770 621 3256 * -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Arthur T wrote... For instance, how does the attendance match up with prior years, especially those years when dinosaurs ruled the world? Some of the old sysprogs around here say that 5,000+ was the norm for the west coast meetings in the 1970-1980's. Then it tapered off to 2,000+ after that. I'm surprised at the 1100 number for Baltimore, but after all the bad press Baltimore received on this list... Regards, John Kalinich CSC -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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John, Actually, as in almost all statistics, there are numbers and there are numbers. The 1100 number represents the number of full week paid attendance. I believe the total attendance, which counts partial week, etc., was slightly over 2,000, which is what the other numbers you mentioned referred to. By the way, what exactly was the bad press Baltimore received on this list? I thought SHARE was vibrant and full of excellent sessions. Tom Harper Arthur T wrote... For instance, how does the attendance match up with prior years, especially those years when dinosaurs ruled the world? Some of the old sysprogs around here say that 5,000+ was the norm for the west coast meetings in the 1970-1980's. Then it tapered off to 2,000+ after that. I'm surprised at the 1100 number for Baltimore, but after all the bad press Baltimore received on this list... Regards, John Kalinich CSC -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:25:09 -0500, Tom Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, what exactly was the bad press Baltimore received on this list? I thought SHARE was vibrant and full of excellent sessions. Perhaps it had something to do with not being able to take toothpaste in your carry-on and the fear of not being able to buy any there. Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SHARE attendance
On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:07:57 -0400, Arthur T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14 Sep 2006 06:44:00 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main (Message-ID:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chair became accepted practice as a way of making the position sound less sexist back when people cared. My 1953 Webster's 2nd gives presiding officer as one of the definitions of chair. That's well before the time you're talking about. Thanks, Arthur. That's better than my 1973 Random House, which I was about to quote. I took Tom's original comment about talking furniture to be an attempt at humor. And it was the funniest thing I'd seen in a while. It was a good thing I didn't have a mouth full of coffee when I read it! Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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At 11:25 -0500 on 09/14/2006, Tom Marchant wrote about Re: SHARE attendance: I took Tom's original comment about talking furniture to be an attempt at humor. And it was the funniest thing I'd seen in a while. It was a good thing I didn't have a mouth full of coffee when I read it! Tom might be a fan of Piers Anthony's Xanth Fantasy series where in the presence of King Dor the furniture DOES speak (due to his magical power of being able to speak to inanimate objects and the leakage that allows this effect to occur even when he is not using the power). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SHARE attendance
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert A. Rosenberg Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 4:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SHARE attendance snip Tom might be a fan of Piers Anthony's Xanth Fantasy series where in the presence of King Dor the furniture DOES speak (due to his magical power of being able to speak to inanimate objects and the leakage that allows this effect to occur even when he is not using the power). snip Hm. If this leakage is like a memory leak, perhaps he needs Depends. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SHARE attendance
Tom Marchant wrote: On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:07:57 -0400, Arthur T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14 Sep 2006 06:44:00 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main (Message-ID:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chair became accepted practice as a way of making the position sound less sexist back when people cared. My 1953 Webster's 2nd gives presiding officer as one of the definitions of chair. That's well before the time you're talking about. Thanks, Arthur. That's better than my 1973 Random House, which I was about to quote. I took Tom's original comment about talking furniture to be an attempt at humor. And it was the funniest thing I'd seen in a while. It was a good thing I didn't have a mouth full of coffee when I read it! Tom Marchant As the person that made the original statement about a chair talking to me, originally I found it funny. When everybody else started responding I started thinking that I misused the term chair. So, I started going through a couple of dictionaries and found that chair is a proper term for a person. Now that I know I used the term correctly I still think it was funny. As for this Share's attendance compared to prior years. In the same session that the chair was talking to me, one of the tables told me that in the late 90's they peaked at about 3000. Well, it really wasn't a table, it was the chair again. :) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:46:10 -0400, John S. Giltner, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... As for this Share's attendance compared to prior years. In the same session that the chair was talking to me, one of the tables told me that in the late 90's they peaked at about 3000. Well, it really wasn't a table, it was the chair again. :) ... I hate to argue with furniture (and hate even more when it argues back) but I'm pretty sure there was a SHARE in eithr L.A. or San Francisco that was around 5000. I remember it being commented on at the General Session. Considering the decline in the number of mainframe shops, the decline in SHARE attendance is understandable. And lamentable. Pat O'Keefe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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John S. Giltner, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed Gould wrote: Anyone have the number for attendance of SHARE in Baltimore? Someone emailed me offline and said it was low. Can anyone confirm/ clarify the numbers? One of the chairs said that it was less than 2,000. Budget was for 1100; paid attendance was 1089. that's exactly 99%...not too bad. ...phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:37:15 -0400, John S. Giltner, Jr. wrote: Ed Gould wrote: Anyone have the number for attendance of SHARE in Baltimore? One of the chairs said that it was less than 2,000. Do you hear furniture talking often, or was that the only time it has happened to you? -- Tom Schmidt Madison, WI (Sometimes tables speak volumes to me, but I usually like to graph them.) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In a message dated 9/13/2006 1:49:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ed Gould wrote: Anyone have the number for attendance of SHARE in Baltimore? One of the chairs said that it was less than 2,000. On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:37:15 -0400, John S. Giltner, Jr. wrote: Do you hear furniture talking often, or was that the only time it has happened to you? I think what Ed meant in they [1] post was that a chair-biped [2] of one of they [1] sessions said xxx...blah blah. Bill Fairchild [1] Newspeak for his. [2] Newspeak for chairman. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Sep 13, 2006, at 11:23 AM, Tom Schmidt wrote: On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:37:15 -0400, John S. Giltner, Jr. wrote: Ed Gould wrote: Anyone have the number for attendance of SHARE in Baltimore? One of the chairs said that it was less than 2,000. Do you hear furniture talking often, or was that the only time it has happened to you? Tom, That was not a line that I wrote (re: Chairs) Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:10:41 -0500, Ed Gould wrote: On Sep 13, 2006, at 11:23 AM, Tom Schmidt wrote: On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:37:15 -0400, John S. Giltner, Jr. wrote: Ed Gould wrote: Anyone have the number for attendance of SHARE in Baltimore? One of the chairs said that it was less than 2,000. Do you hear furniture talking often, or was that the only time it has happened to you? Tom, That was not a line that I wrote (re: Chairs) Ed I didn't claim that you did. I quoted your question (which I attributed to you) and John's answer (which I attributed to John). -- Tom Schmidt Madison, WI -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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There have been 1 or 2 comments that people thought the chairs comment was mine. I think there was too much snippage to get by the robo that I believe Darren has set up. I know I have been bounced because of this restriction. I think that the restriction put up by Darren is a little too restrictive, IMO. I think his draconian restriction has pushed the envelope of trying to understand discourse. Ed On Sep 13, 2006, at 2:42 PM, Tom Schmidt wrote: On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:10:41 -0500, Ed Gould wrote: On Sep 13, 2006, at 11:23 AM, Tom Schmidt wrote: On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:37:15 -0400, John S. Giltner, Jr. wrote: Ed Gould wrote: Anyone have the number for attendance of SHARE in Baltimore? One of the chairs said that it was less than 2,000. Do you hear furniture talking often, or was that the only time it has happened to you? Tom, That was not a line that I wrote (re: Chairs) Ed I didn't claim that you did. I quoted your question (which I attributed to you) and John's answer (which I attributed to John). -- Tom Schmidt Madison, WI -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In a message dated 9/13/2006 4:18:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There have been 1 or 2 comments that people thought the chairs comment was mine. I did, and I regret not taking a few more seconds to review the previous posts. The comment involving chairs first came from [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) . Bill Fairchild -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/13/2006 at 02:57 PM, (IBM Mainframe Discussion List) [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [2] Newspeak for chairman. No; the use of chair to refer to the office is old. IANAP, but I believe that there is a subtle difference between chair and chairman, possibly that the former refers to the office rather than to the office holder. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Ed Gould wrote: Anyone have the number for attendance of SHARE in Baltimore? Someone emailed me offline and said it was low. Can anyone confirm/ clarify the numbers? Ed One of the chairs said that it was less than 2,000. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
