Re: Unsupported Devices
I would go with TYPE UNSUPPORTED DEVCLASS TAPE, too. I've never tried it with tape devices so can't be sure, but it seems to be the best way to ma ke CP keep its cotton pickin' hands (or ccw tables) off. The good news is, y ou can try that with just some SET RDEV commands. (Disclaimer: FSI is not the vendor of whatever this thing is that Richard is using.) -- Gary Eheman http://www.funsoft.com
Re: z/VM memory mgmt
Thanks Alan I was looking for an explanation on how z/VM does memory mgmt, apparently my explanation was clear as mud for one of my customers. Phil Alan Ackerman wrote: On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 23:44:53 -0400, Phil Tully [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was looking for a presentation describing z/VM memory mgmt, does anyone presented this subject at any recent seminars? I looked at the presentations on linuxvm.org but none focused on memory mgmt. TIA Phil -- 'in media stat virtus' Virtue's in the middle There is a Redbook, Linux on IBM System z: Performance Measurement and Tuning, at http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg246926.html. It includes a Chapter 6. Tuning memory for z/VM Linux guests. Alan Ackerman Alan (dot) Ackerman (at) Bank of America (dot) com -- 'in media stat virtus' Virtue's in the middle
Re: Replace old BSC 3 connections
Bodra, Take a look at the CCL (Communication Controller for Linux) solution. I am not sure about BSC but SNA workload is supported. Antonio C. Prado Carlos Bodra [EMAIL PROTECTED] .br To Sent by: The IBM IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU z/VM Operating cc System [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject ARK.EDU Replace old BSC 3 connections 02/06/2008 18:00 Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System [EMAIL PROTECTED] ARK.EDU This question was cross posted into OS/390, VSE and zVM discussion lists Hello Today we have an IBM MP3000 with 04 WAC cards, 03 of them running BSC3 and on running a back-to-back vtam connection. We have a bid to replace this machine by a new z9 and get some software advantages. Today we have no problems with CPU or memory bottlenecks. Ou problem is limited to substitute access from WAC cards, so we can keep BSC3 lines sending data to application program. Simple solution could be an IBM 3745 model 170 (smalest) to keep same cenario and migrate from adapter cards to a channel independent machine, even connect thru Escon converter. IBM says no more NCP software licenses are available. What we can use as a substitute for WAC cards now how to connect this solution to z9? Thanks in advance for any comment or hint Carlos Bodra
Re: Replace old BSC 3 connections
On Tuesday, 06/03/2008 at 08:25 EDT, Antonio C Prado [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take a look at the CCL (Communication Controller for Linux) solution. I am not sure about BSC but SNA workload is supported. There are no integrated BSC (or SDLC or TELE2) adapters on System z, so CCL cannot drive them. Cisco has IP-over-BSC tunnelling capabilty. When combined with DLSw, it may be able to service VTAM via XCA connections. Check with Cisco. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: z/VM memory mgmt
Phil, check this list that Cal Fisher provided on our web site http://www2.marist.edu/~mvmua/mresource.html you might get an idea of someone that can help Bill Munson VM System Programmer 201-418-7588 President MVMUA http://www2.marist.edu/~mvmua/ Phil Tully [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 06/02/2008 11:44 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject z/VM memory mgmt I was looking for a presentation describing z/VM memory mgmt, does anyone presented this subject at any recent seminars? I looked at the presentations on linuxvm.org but none focused on memory mgmt. TIA Phil -- 'in media stat virtus' Virtue's in the middle *** IMPORTANT NOTE* The opinions expressed in this message and/or any attachments are those of the author and not necessarily those of Brown Brothers Harriman Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates (BBH). There is no guarantee that this message is either private or confidential, and it may have been altered by unauthorized sources without your or our knowledge. Nothing in the message is capable or intended to create any legally binding obligations on either party and it is not intended to provide legal advice. BBH accepts no responsibility for loss or damage from its use, including damage from virus.
Re: 3390-MOD9
Hi So is it the FORMATING in VM (CPFMTXA) or is it what Linux is doing in their formatting that is causing the difference in the available space on the MOD-9? Thanks.. Terry Terry Martin Lockheed Martin - CITIC z/OS Performance and Tuning (410) 786-0386 - Office (443) 632-4191 - Cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ivica Brodaric Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 11:39 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: 3390-MOD9 When you format the disk in VM, you get 4K blocks. Therefore: 4K * 180blk/cyl * 10017 cyl = 6.9GB
Re: Replace old BSC 3 connections
Cisco has IP-over-BSC tunnelling capabilty. Unless that's changed dramatically in recent years, that's just a serial tunneling of the BSC traffic over an IP network, and you still need something with BSC ports at the other end (ie a 3745 or equivalent).
Re: Replace old BSC 3 connections
CCL is definitely the right solution for replacing NCP, but BSC support is going to be hard. There are BSC to SDLC converters, but they're expensive and hard to find, and there aren't too many people left alive that know how to configure one. It may be time to bite the bullet and replace the BSC devices -- it has been 20+ years now since BSC was deprecated in favor of SDLC. 8-) If there absolutely isn't any way to replace the BSC devices, the small 3745 is one easy solution, or find a BSC to SDLC converter, and then use a small Cisco router to convert the SDLC to DLSw and then to CCL. You might see if one of the remote models of 3745 are available -- some of those could be attached to a router via token-ring or Ethernet, and I think at least one model provided BSC connectivity (can't check because all that old stuff is no longer in the online version of the IBM sales manualgrrr...). You might also ask Fundamental Software whether a Flex CUB could be converted/adapted to support BSC NCP or EP function. I don't think it currently can do it, but it has most of the right pieces to do that, and BSC adapters do still exist for PC hardware. Might be expensive, but if the BSC-only hardware is equally expensive, it might pay off in the end.
Monitor for zVM
I have been mandated by management to seek a lower cost performance monitor than our currently employed ESAMON from Velocity Software. The reason for this is that we are in the throws of down sizing what we are running on our current z800 with zVM 4.3. There is also talk of eliminating zVM altogether, but that is a discussion for a later date. If anyone can suggest something of zero cost or at least lower than ESAMON, I would appreciate it. TIA, Loren Charnley, Jr. IT Systems Engineer FAMILY DOLLAR (704) 847-6961 Ext. 3327 (704) 814-3327 [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: This e-mail message contains PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL information and is intended only for the use of the specific individual or individuals to which it is addressed. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized use, dissemination or copying of this e-mail or the information contained herein or attached hereto is strictly prohibited. If you receive this e-mail in error, notify the person named above by reply e-mail and please delete it. Thank you.
Re: Monitor for zVM
Depending on what you need HOBIT (a freebe) may work for you. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LOREN CHARNLEY Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:59 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Monitor for zVM I have been mandated by management to seek a lower cost performance monitor than our currently employed ESAMON from Velocity Software. The reason for this is that we are in the throws of down sizing what we are running on our current z800 with zVM 4.3. There is also talk of eliminating zVM altogether, but that is a discussion for a later date. If anyone can suggest something of zero cost or at least lower than ESAMON, I would appreciate it. TIA, Loren Charnley, Jr. IT Systems Engineer FAMILY DOLLAR (704) 847-6961 Ext. 3327 (704) 814-3327 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ NOTE: This e-mail message contains PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL information and is intended only for the use of the specific individual or individuals to which it is addressed. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized use, dissemination or copying of this e-mail or the information contained herein or attached hereto is strictly prohibited. If you receive this e-mail in error, notify the person named above by reply e-mail and please delete it. Thank you.
Re: Monitor for zVM
zMON at $1200/year? Huegel, Thomas wrote: Depending on what you need HOBIT (a freebe) may work for you. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LOREN CHARNLEY Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:59 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Monitor for zVM I have been mandated by management to seek a lower cost performance monitor than our currently employed ESAMON from Velocity Software. The reason for this is that we are in the throws of down sizing what we are running on our current z800 with zVM 4.3. There is also talk of eliminating zVM altogether, but that is a discussion for a later date. If anyone can suggest something of zero cost or at least lower than ESAMON, I would appreciate it. TIA, Loren Charnley, Jr. IT Systems Engineer FAMILY DOLLAR (704) 847-6961 Ext. 3327 (704) 814-3327 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Operator Terminal and the Programmable Operator Facility
W 3 1 Means take the third word and move it to position 1 on the output record. Jim Hughes 603-271-5586 Any fool can criticize when a man makes a mistake - and most of them do. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Rifkind Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 11:12 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Operator Terminal and the Programmable Operator Facility Thanks Bob, In the pipes command below, the 'SPECS w3 1' stage...can anyone tell me what the w3 1 means. I checke the manual and I think it means word...like the third word of the output for a length 1??? Can't figure this one out... Thanks. Bob Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/2/2008 3:41 PM Off the top of my head. In the OPERATOR's PROFILE EXEC 'PIPE CP Q OPERATOR | SPECS w3 1 | var termaddr 'CP DISC' 'CP SLEEP 1 SEC' 'XAUTOLOG OP1 ON' termaddr 'PROPST' or something along those lines. Bob Bates Enterprise Hosting Services - Enterprise Virtualization - z/VM and z/Linux http://ehs.homestead.wellsfargo.com/Mainframe/zSS/zSE/zVM-zLinux/Pages/ default.aspx w. (469)892-6660 c. (214) 907-5071 This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Rifkind Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 2:34 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Operator Terminal and the Programmable Operator Facility Using the POF (programmable operatior facility) I would like to user the same terminal address as the one the Operator came up on when the system was IPL'ed. I know I can do a CP disconnect after the Operator does a PROPST and then log on the OP1 user to the same terminal address as the Operator was using and be able to received messages from the disconnected Operator running PROP and send command to the Operator via OP1. This currently works and isn't a problem as the Operator person is doing the CP Disc and then logging OP1. The issue for me is that the operations management does not want the operator person to have any interaction with the physical terminal during this procedure. So, I have to automate the process and I need some suggestions as how to do this. The Operator user id has to start PROP and some how run disconnected. I have to logon OP1 on the same termial to act as the Operator with human interaction. I looks easy enough at first but I can't figure out a reasonable way to do this. Running z/VM 5.3. Any suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks _ LEGAL NOTICE Unless expressly stated otherwise, this message is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. Access to this E-mail by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not an addressee, any disclosure or copying of the contents of this E-mail or any action taken (or not taken) in reliance on it is unauthorized and may be unlawful. If you are not an addressee, please inform the sender immediately, then delete this message and empty from your trash. _ LEGAL NOTICE Unless expressly stated otherwise, this message is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. Access to this E-mail by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not an addressee, any disclosure or copying of the contents of this E-mail or any action taken (or not taken) in reliance on it is unauthorized and may be unlawful. If you are not an addressee, please inform the sender immediately, then delete this message and empty from your trash.
Re: z/VM 5.3 Stacked RSU 5304
On Monday, 06/02/2008 at 09:40 EDT, Stricklin, Raymond J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks -- Is RSU 5304 orderable on shopzseries yet? http://www.vm.ibm.com/service/rsu/stk530.html shows 5304RSU current as of May 20, but when I log in to ShopzSeries, the 5303 stacked RSU from December 12 is the most recent of the orderable options. Am I missing something or is it just not available yet? It says 5303, but you get 5304. Thanks for pointing it out. (sigh) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: Monitor for zVM
HOBBIT is indeed a nice package, and it is free, but it is not self-contained, it does require a server that acts as a collection/displa y point for multiple systems. We have ours running on a spare solaris syste m, others have theirs on linux/x86. When the next release (4.3) comes out, I will be trying to put up my own hobbit server in one of my z890 linux instances. It is nice and free but better if you already use it for monitoring other systems in your network. If there is no Hobbit, BigBrother (hobbit's ancestor) or Nagios to monitor systems, suggest Hobbit and let someone el se buy the linux server to put it on. /Tom Kern /301-903-2211 On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:09:05 -0500, Huegel, Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wro te: Depending on what you need HOBIT (a freebe) may work for you. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LOREN CHARNLEY Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:59 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Monitor for zVM I have been mandated by management to seek a lower cost performance moni tor than our currently employed ESAMON from Velocity Software. The reason for this is that we are in the throws of down sizing what we are running on o ur current z800 with zVM 4.3. There is also talk of eliminating zVM altogeth er, but that is a discussion for a later date. If anyone can suggest something of zero cost or at least lower than ESAM ON, I would appreciate it. TIA, Loren Charnley, Jr.
Re: Operator Terminal and the Programmable Operator Facility
Thanks Bob, In the pipes command below, the 'SPECS w3 1' stage...can anyone tell me what the w3 1 means. I checke the manual and I think it means word...like the third word of the output for a length 1??? Can't figure this one out... Thanks. Bob Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/2/2008 3:41 PM Off the top of my head. In the OPERATOR's PROFILE EXEC 'PIPE CP Q OPERATOR | SPECS w3 1 | var termaddr 'CP DISC' 'CP SLEEP 1 SEC' 'XAUTOLOG OP1 ON' termaddr 'PROPST' or something along those lines. Bob Bates Enterprise Hosting Services - Enterprise Virtualization - z/VM and z/Linux ( http://ehs.homestead.wellsfargo.com/Mainframe/zSS/zSE/zVM-zLinux/Pages/default.aspx ) w. (469)892-6660 c. (214) 907-5071 “This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Rifkind Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 2:34 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Operator Terminal and the Programmable Operator Facility Using the POF (programmable operatior facility) I would like to user the same terminal address as the one the Operator came up on when the system was IPL'ed. I know I can do a CP disconnect after the Operator does a PROPST and then log on the OP1 user to the same terminal address as the Operator was using and be able to received messages from the disconnected Operator running PROP and send command to the Operator via OP1. This currently works and isn't a problem as the Operator person is doing the CP Disc and then logging OP1. The issue for me is that the operations management does not want the operator person to have any interaction with the physical terminal during this procedure. So, I have to automate the process and I need some suggestions as how to do this. The Operator user id has to start PROP and some how run disconnected. I have to logon OP1 on the same termial to act as the Operator with human interaction. I looks easy enough at first but I can't figure out a reasonable way to do this. Running z/VM 5.3. Any suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks _ LEGAL NOTICE Unless expressly stated otherwise, this message is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. Access to this E-mail by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not an addressee, any disclosure or copying of the contents of this E-mail or any action taken (or not taken) in reliance on it is unauthorized and may be unlawful. If you are not an addressee, please inform the sender immediately, then delete this message and empty from your trash. _ LEGAL NOTICE Unless expressly stated otherwise, this message is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. Access to this E-mail by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not an addressee, any disclosure or copying of the contents of this E-mail or any action taken (or not taken) in reliance on it is unauthorized and may be unlawful. If you are not an addressee, please inform the sender immediately, then delete this message and empty from your trash.
Re: z/VM 5.3 Stacked RSU 5304
Stricklin, Raymond J wrote: Folks -- Is RSU 5304 orderable on shopzseries yet? http://www.vm.ibm.com/service/rsu/stk530.html shows 5304RSU current as of May 20, but when I log in to ShopzSeries, the 5303 stacked RSU from December 12 is the most recent of the orderable options. Am I missing something or is it just not available yet? Thanks; ok r. I just ordered it through SRD on IBMLINK (Web). Kim
Re: Monitor for zVM
On Jun 3, 2008, at 9:46 AM, Rich Smrcina wrote: Hobbit is a network services monitor. Even though a z/VM client is available, it is very high level stuff and does not give the level of detail that ESALPS or zMON does (and certainly couldn't hope to). Loren appears to be looking for a lower cost performance monitor, zMON may be the right fit here. Well, and, honestly, if $100 a month is too expensive then he's in a hopeless situation anyway. Adam
Re: Monitor for zVM
Hobbit is a network services monitor. Even though a z/VM client is available, it is very high level stuff and does not give the level of detail that ESALPS or zMON does (and certainly couldn't hope to). Loren appears to be looking for a lower cost performance monitor, zMON may be the right fit here. Huegel, Thomas wrote: Depending on what you need HOBIT (a freebe) may work for you. -Original Message- *From:* The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of *LOREN CHARNLEY *Sent:* Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:59 AM *To:* IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU *Subject:* Monitor for zVM I have been mandated by management to seek a lower cost performance monitor than our currently employed ESAMON from Velocity Software. The reason for this is that we are in the throws of down sizing what we are running on our current z800 with zVM 4.3. There is also talk of eliminating zVM altogether, but that is a discussion for a later date. If anyone can suggest something of zero cost or at least lower than ESAMON, I would appreciate it. TIA, -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: 414-491-6001 Ans Service: 360-715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2009 - Orlando, FL - May 15-19, 2009
Re: 3390-MOD9
In PC terms, there is low level formatting and high level formatting. On Linux/390, 'dasdfmt' handles low level and 'mke2fs' does high level. The former is mostly just pre-blocking all tracks on the disk at 4K. The latter is actually creating a filesystem. In CMS, the FORMAT command does both: blocking and filesystem. In MVS, the distinction is really lost. All other contemporary operating systems with any presence in the public mind split the blocking of disk storage from the creation of the filesystem (if any). To your question: There is some loss of raw capacity in inter-record gaps when you write the blocks. There is additional (small) loss of capacity in the logic of the filesystem. There is ALSO some reserved space on most POSIX filesystems (usu 5-10%). I hope this helps. -- R; On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi So is it the FORMATING in VM (CPFMTXA) or is it what Linux is doing in their formatting that is causing the difference in the available space on the MOD-9? *Thanks.. Terry* *Terry Martin* *Lockheed Martin - CITIC* *z/OS Performance and Tuning * *(410) 786-0386 - Office* *(443) 632-4191 - Cell* [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * -- *From:* The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Ivica Brodaric *Sent:* Monday, June 02, 2008 11:39 PM *To:* IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU *Subject:* Re: 3390-MOD9 When you format the disk in VM, you get 4K blocks. Therefore: 4K * 180blk/cyl * 10017 cyl = 6.9GB -- -- R;
Re: Operator Terminal and the Programmable Operator Facility
Thanks...much appreciated. Hughes, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/3/2008 11:15 AM W 3 1 Means take the third word and move it to position 1 on the output record. Jim Hughes 603-271-5586 Any fool can criticize when a man makes a mistake - and most of them do. From:The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Rifkind Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 11:12 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Operator Terminal and the Programmable Operator Facility Thanks Bob, In the pipes command below, the 'SPECS w3 1' stage...can anyone tell me what the w3 1 means. I checke the manual and I think it means word...like the third word of the output for a length 1??? Can't figure this one out... Thanks. Bob Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/2/2008 3:41 PM Off the top of my head. In the OPERATOR's PROFILE EXEC 'PIPE CP Q OPERATOR | SPECS w3 1 | var termaddr 'CP DISC' 'CP SLEEP 1 SEC' 'XAUTOLOG OP1 ON' termaddr 'PROPST' or something along those lines. Bob Bates Enterprise Hosting Services -Enterprise Virtualization - z/VM and z/Linux ( http://ehs.homestead.wellsfargo.com/Mainframe/zSS/zSE/zVM-zLinux/Pages/default.aspx ) w. (469)892-6660 c. (214) 907-5071 “This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. From:The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Rifkind Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 2:34 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Operator Terminal and the Programmable Operator Facility Using the POF (programmable operatior facility) I would like to user the same terminal address as the one the Operator came up on when the system was IPL'ed. I know I can do a CP disconnect after the Operator does a PROPST and then log on the OP1 user to the same terminal address as the Operator was using and be able to received messages from the disconnected Operator running PROP and send command to the Operator via OP1. This currently works and isn't a problem as the Operator person is doing the CP Disc and then logging OP1. The issue for me is that the operations management does not want the operator person to have any interaction with the physical terminal during this procedure. So, I have to automate the process and I need some suggestions as how to do this. The Operator user id has to start PROP and some how run disconnected. I have to logon OP1 on the same termial to act as the Operator with human interaction. I looks easy enough at first but I can't figure out a reasonable way to do this. Running z/VM 5.3. Any suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks _ LEGAL NOTICE Unless expressly stated otherwise, this message is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. Access to this E-mail by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not an addressee, any disclosure or copying of the contents of this E-mail or any action taken (or not taken) in reliance on it is unauthorized and may be unlawful. If you are not an addressee, please inform the sender immediately, then delete this message and empty from your trash. _ LEGAL NOTICE Unless expressly stated otherwise, this message is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. Access to this E-mail by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not an addressee, any disclosure or copying of the contents of this E-mail or any action taken (or not taken) in reliance on it is unauthorized and may be unlawful. If you are not an addressee, please inform the sender immediately, then delete this message and empty from your trash. _ LEGAL NOTICE Unless expressly stated otherwise, this message is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. Access to this E-mail by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not an addressee, any disclosure or copying of the contents of this E-mail or any action taken (or not taken) in reliance on it is unauthorized and may be unlawful. If you are not an addressee, please inform the sender immediately, then delete this message and empty from your trash.
Seeking (former) Adventurers
Anyone who played the old Adventure game on VM should be interested in the email exchange below. A project at the University of Maryland (Maryland Institute for Technology in the Humanities -- MITH) is exploring preserving this sort of virtual world for academic research. http://www.digitalhumanities.org/dhq/vol/001/2/09.html is a fascinating article about Adventure and how the virtual cave somewhat mirrors a real cave in Kentucky. The blog entry linked below describes a recent meeting about and reading of Adventure. The researchers were interested that Adventure ran on mainframes in the 1970s and liked my suggestion that someone might have source code and data for this early version archived and perhaps still runnable. Matthew Kirschenbaum's email address is below -- please respond directly to him and copy me if you have any Adventure resources. Packrat that I am, I was sure I still had my original maps of the cave, including the two twisty-passages -- all different and all the same -- but couldn't find them. Maybe someone else does. Original Message Subject:Re: Adventure: The Movie Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 10:47:38 -0400 From: Matt Kirschenbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gabe Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Neil Fraistat [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Gabe, Apologies for the belated reply. Besides the travel Neil mentioned, I've been crushed by end of the semester business here. Here is a paragraph describing the Preserving Virtual Worlds project. Any assistance you could give us in reaching out to persons with knowledge of ADVENTURE or other early virtual worlds/interactive environments would be much appreciated. Best, Matt Interactive media are highly complex and at high risk for loss as technologies rapidly become obsolete. The Preserving Virtual Worlds project will explore methods for preserving digital games and interactive fiction. Major activities will include developing basic standards for metadata and content representation and conducting a series of archiving case studies for early video games, electronic literature, and Second Life. One of our first case studies will be ADVENTURE, utilizing the source code for the original Will Crowther version of the game recently recovered from backup tapes of Don Woods' account at Stanford University. See (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/posttech/2008/05/colossal_cave_adventure_lives.html?nav=rss_blog )for a writeup of a recent reading of ADVENTURE at the University of Maryland. We would be interested in hearing from anyone with either memories or actual digital artifacts associated with the game. (You may write to Matt Kirschenbaum, mgk at umd dot edu ). Project partners are the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (lead), the University of Maryland, Stanford University, Rochester Institute of Technology and Linden Lab. Second Life content participants include Life to the Second Power, Democracy Island and the International Spaceflight Museum. The Preserving Virtual Worlds project is funded by the Preserving Creative America initiative under the National Digital Information Infrastructure Preservation Program (NDIIPP) administered by the Library of Congress. On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Gabe Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I enjoyed your Adventure party, wondered whether you'd seen this. Send me a paragraph or two on what you're researching, what you'd like from the VM community; I'll see whether folks still have the Adventure program, maybe runnable, and whether we can arrange a live demo. - GET LAMP: THE TEXT ADVENTURE DOCUMENTARY http://www.getlamp.com/ or http://snipurl.com/29tjs -- Gabriel Goldberg, Computers and Publishing, Inc. (703) 204-0433 3401 Silver Maple Place, Falls Church, VA 22042[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew Kirschenbaum Associate Professor of English Associate Director, Maryland Institute for Technology in the Humanities (MITH) University of Maryland 301-405-8505 or 301-314-7111 (fax) http://www.mith.umd.edu/ http://www.otal.umd.edu/~mgk/ http://mechanisms-book.blogspot.com/
Re: Seeking (former) Adventurers
I have a copy of the source code for an early version of Adventure. I do not seem to have the University of Oklahoma mods that I wrote around 1970 anymore. It was still runnable about 2 years ago when I last tried it. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Seeking (former) Adventurers
Source is here: http://www.wurb.com/if/game/game/1 and the follow on Dungeon is here: http://www.wurb.com/if/game/2 S/370 executables used to float around the VM community. I'm sure somebody still has them.
Re: Seeking (former) Adventurers
I have a working version of Adventure, and other games, on our VM system (just don't tell my boss!). -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gabe Goldberg Sent: June 3, 2008 13:05 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Seeking (former) Adventurers Anyone who played the old Adventure game on VM should be interested in the email exchange below. A project at the University of Maryland (Maryland Institute for Technology in the Humanities -- MITH) is exploring preserving this sort of virtual world for academic research. http://www.digitalhumanities.org/dhq/vol/001/2/09.html is a fascinating article about Adventure and how the virtual cave somewhat mirrors a real cave in Kentucky. The blog entry linked below describes a recent meeting about and reading of Adventure. The researchers were interested that Adventure ran on mainframes in the 1970s and liked my suggestion that someone might have source code and data for this early version archived and perhaps still runnable. Matthew Kirschenbaum's email address is below -- please respond directly to him and copy me if you have any Adventure resources. Packrat that I am, I was sure I still had my original maps of the cave, including the two twisty-passages -- all different and all the same -- but couldn't find them. Maybe someone else does. Original Message Subject:Re: Adventure: The Movie Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 10:47:38 -0400 From: Matt Kirschenbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gabe Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Neil Fraistat [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Gabe, Apologies for the belated reply. Besides the travel Neil mentioned, I've been crushed by end of the semester business here. Here is a paragraph describing the Preserving Virtual Worlds project. Any assistance you could give us in reaching out to persons with knowledge of ADVENTURE or other early virtual worlds/interactive environments would be much appreciated. Best, Matt Interactive media are highly complex and at high risk for loss as technologies rapidly become obsolete. The Preserving Virtual Worlds project will explore methods for preserving digital games and interactive fiction. Major activities will include developing basic standards for metadata and content representation and conducting a series of archiving case studies for early video games, electronic literature, and Second Life. One of our first case studies will be ADVENTURE, utilizing the source code for the original Will Crowther version of the game recently recovered from backup tapes of Don Woods' account at Stanford University. See (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/posttech/2008/05/colossal_cave_adventure _lives.html?nav=rss_blog )for a writeup of a recent reading of ADVENTURE at the University of Maryland. We would be interested in hearing from anyone with either memories or actual digital artifacts associated with the game. (You may write to Matt Kirschenbaum, mgk at umd dot edu ). Project partners are the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (lead), the University of Maryland, Stanford University, Rochester Institute of Technology and Linden Lab. Second Life content participants include Life to the Second Power, Democracy Island and the International Spaceflight Museum. The Preserving Virtual Worlds project is funded by the Preserving Creative America initiative under the National Digital Information Infrastructure Preservation Program (NDIIPP) administered by the Library of Congress. On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Gabe Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I enjoyed your Adventure party, wondered whether you'd seen this. Send me a paragraph or two on what you're researching, what you'd like from the VM community; I'll see whether folks still have the Adventure program, maybe runnable, and whether we can arrange a live demo. - GET LAMP: THE TEXT ADVENTURE DOCUMENTARY http://www.getlamp.com/ or http://snipurl.com/29tjs -- Gabriel Goldberg, Computers and Publishing, Inc. (703) 204-0433 3401 Silver Maple Place, Falls Church, VA 22042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew Kirschenbaum Associate Professor of English Associate Director, Maryland Institute for Technology in the Humanities (MITH) University of Maryland 301-405-8505 or 301-314-7111 (fax) http://www.mith.umd.edu/ http://www.otal.umd.edu/~mgk/ http://mechanisms-book.blogspot.com/ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review retransmission dissemination or other use of or taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or delegate is strictly prohibited. If you received this in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. The integrity and security of this message cannot be guaranteed on
Re: Seeking (former) Adventurers
On Jun 3, 2008, at 1:10 PM, Stephen Frazier wrote: I have a copy of the source code for an early version of Adventure. I do not seem to have the University of Oklahoma mods that I wrote around 1970 anymore. That seems unlikely; pretty much all the sources agree that Adventure itself was written about 1975, and the Woods collaboration that really enabled its breakout success was 1976. So I think you probably meant 1980. Adam
Install RACF without HLASM???
So, is it possible? We are a new installation, and have attempted to set the DISKF in SYSSEC to DEFER. Unfortunately, no go. What am I missing? Leland
Re: Seeking (former) Adventurers
Interesting. I played a lot of Adventure when I was a graduate student and then employee in the Computer Science Department at Cornell. I started grad school in 1969 and got an MS and became an employee in 1971. I can't definitively name the years, but I left the University in 1976, and this was well before that. We didn't run VM yet. I'm pretty sure I played a version under TSO. I kept my hand drawn maps - too much work went into them to throw them away. I wonder if I can put my hands on them now. Mark At 02:42 PM 6/3/2008, Adam Thornton wrote: On Jun 3, 2008, at 1:10 PM, Stephen Frazier wrote: I have a copy of the source code for an early version of Adventure. I do not seem to have the University of Oklahoma mods that I wrote around 1970 anymore. That seems unlikely; pretty much all the sources agree that Adventure itself was written about 1975, and the Woods collaboration that really enabled its breakout success was 1976. So I think you probably meant 1980. Adam
Re: Install RACF without HLASM???
On Tuesday, 06/03/2008 at 02:44 EDT, Leland Lucius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, is it possible? We are a new installation, and have attempted to set the DISKF in SYSSEC to DEFER. Unfortunately, no go. Officially, you cannot customize HCPRWA without HLASM. If you're good at assembler and VMSES/E build lists, you may be able to alter the modules and macros in such a way to enable it to assemble with the ASSEMBLE command. (e.g. I don't think it needs HCPPROLG and HCPEPILG macros). Not supported, of course, but maybe a way to avoid buying the assembler. The good news is that HCPRWA is just a table with well-defined external references. You just need to be sure the TEXT deck attributes are overridden at LOAD time to ensure it is RMODE ANY. YMMV. I haven't tried it. Developing a way to customize HCPRWA (et. al.) without HLASM is on the To Do list. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: Install RACF without HLASM???
The ZAP command comes to mind, and seems appropriate. An MVS-type program to customize and MVS-type product. /Tom Kern On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:03:18 -0400, Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, 06/03/2008 at 02:44 EDT, Leland Lucius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, is it possible? We are a new installation, and have attempted to set the DISKF in SYSSEC to DEFER. Unfortunately, no go. Officially, you cannot customize HCPRWA without HLASM. If you're good at assembler and VMSES/E build lists, you may be able to alter the modules and macros in such a way to enable it to assemble with the ASSEMBLE command. (e.g. I don't think it needs HCPPROLG and HCPEPIL G macros). Not supported, of course, but maybe a way to avoid buying the assembler. The good news is that HCPRWA is just a table with well-defin ed external references. You just need to be sure the TEXT deck attributes are overridden at LOAD time to ensure it is RMODE ANY. YMMV. I haven't tried it. Developing a way to customize HCPRWA (et. al.) without HLASM is on the T o Do list. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: Install RACF without HLASM???
Use the ZAPTEXT command, which is an EXEC file on the S-disk. There is no help file for it but I suspect it has the same syntax as the ZAP command. It puts the text files into a temporary TXTLIB, zaps the member in the TXTLIB, then extracts the zapped member. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Kern Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:26 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Install RACF without HLASM??? I just checked and I am wrong. The ZAP command does not work against individual TEXT files. But the CMS LOAD command accepts VER and REP statements at the end of a T EXT file. Does the process used to generate the CPLOAD MODULE use that LOAD c ommand? /Tom Kern On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:16:29 -0500, Thomas Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wr ote: The ZAP command comes to mind, and seems appropriate. An MVS-type progra m to customize and MVS-type product. /Tom Kern On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:03:18 -0400, Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, 06/03/2008 at 02:44 EDT, Leland Lucius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, is it possible? We are a new installation, and have attempted to set the DISKF in SYSSEC to DEFER. Unfortunately, no go. Officially, you cannot customize HCPRWA without HLASM. If you're good at assembler and VMSES/E build lists, you may be able to alter the modules and macros in such a way to enable it to assemble wit h the ASSEMBLE command. (e.g. I don't think it needs HCPPROLG and HCPEPI LG macros). Not supported, of course, but maybe a way to avoid buying the assembler. The good news is that HCPRWA is just a table with well-defi ned external references. You just need to be sure the TEXT deck attributes are overridden at LOAD time to ensure it is RMODE ANY. YMMV. I haven' t tried it. Developing a way to customize HCPRWA (et. al.) without HLASM is on the To Do list. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: Install RACF without HLASM???
I just checked and I am wrong. The ZAP command does not work against individual TEXT files. But the CMS LOAD command accepts VER and REP statements at the end of a T EXT file. Does the process used to generate the CPLOAD MODULE use that LOAD c ommand? /Tom Kern On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:16:29 -0500, Thomas Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wr ote: The ZAP command comes to mind, and seems appropriate. An MVS-type progra m to customize and MVS-type product. /Tom Kern On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:03:18 -0400, Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, 06/03/2008 at 02:44 EDT, Leland Lucius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, is it possible? We are a new installation, and have attempted to set the DISKF in SYSSEC to DEFER. Unfortunately, no go. Officially, you cannot customize HCPRWA without HLASM. If you're good at assembler and VMSES/E build lists, you may be able to alter the modules and macros in such a way to enable it to assemble wit h the ASSEMBLE command. (e.g. I don't think it needs HCPPROLG and HCPEPI LG macros). Not supported, of course, but maybe a way to avoid buying the assembler. The good news is that HCPRWA is just a table with well-defi ned external references. You just need to be sure the TEXT deck attributes are overridden at LOAD time to ensure it is RMODE ANY. YMMV. I haven' t tried it. Developing a way to customize HCPRWA (et. al.) without HLASM is on the To Do list. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
FCXPER315A
We recently began, under unknown circumstances, receiving this exception from PTK on one VM LPAR (z800, V5R3): FCXPER315A Cl1 time slice 1.444 exceeds limit 1.000 (Q1=21 Qx=24) We received it (with slightly different numbers) once every ten minutes for about a month, when it stopped under circumstances equally unknown as those surrounding its beginning. Only one LPAR of the four on the machine reports this exception. I don't really know what it's referring to (apart from the dispatcher, generally), or what its significance might be. Is it of any significance? Where might I begin looking to determine the ultimate cause? Thanks; ok r.
Re: Seeking (former) Adventurers
No, I meant 1970. It was one of the first games that ran on the computer centers TSO system. (It seems like it had another name before it was called TSO but I don't remember it.) Startrek and Football were the others. They all appeared about 1969. I don't remember which was first. Adventure was written in PL/I and Startrek was in Fortran. Football was in another language. (Cobol? or Basic? maybe) I wrote the OU version of adventure in my spare time while working on the help desk. The university version wasn't that much different it just had the names changed and a few new passages added. You are in an administration building filled with twisty little passages all alike. I left the help desk in 1973 to work for DHS as a programmer. Adam Thornton wrote: On Jun 3, 2008, at 1:10 PM, Stephen Frazier wrote: I have a copy of the source code for an early version of Adventure. I do not seem to have the University of Oklahoma mods that I wrote around 1970 anymore. That seems unlikely; pretty much all the sources agree that Adventure itself was written about 1975, and the Woods collaboration that really enabled its breakout success was 1976. So I think you probably meant 1980. Adam -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Define/Remove CPU from an MVS Guest
I had an MVS guest setup with the following directory statements: MACHINE ESA 4 CPU 00 BASE CPU 01 CPU 02 I now know that the MACHINE ESA 4 statement authorizes the guest to use up to four CPUs. I successfully executed a DEFINE CPU 03. However, MVS could not configure the 4th CPU online since it did not know about it at IPL time. Okay but, with the 4th CPU defined and not doing anything, how would one go about safely removing CPU 03 short of an IPL? Yes, I tried the DETACH CPU 03 command and watched the MVS system IPL. Thank you, Scott R Wandschneider Senior Systems Programmer Infocrossing Office 402.963.8905
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Re: Seeking (former) Adventurers
On Jun 3, 2008, at 2:38 PM, Mark Bodenstein wrote: Interesting. I played a lot of Adventure when I was a graduate student and then employee in the Computer Science Department at Cornell. I started grad school in 1969 and got an MS and became an employee in 1971. I can't definitively name the years, but I left the University in 1976, and this was well before that. We didn't run VM yet. I'm pretty sure I played a version under TSO. I kept my hand drawn maps - too much work went into them to throw them away. I wonder if I can put my hands on them now. I'd be really interested to see them. *Especially* if they're dated and that date is earlier than 1975. This is a pretty standard history: http://www.rickadams.org/adventure/a_history.html It states that the Crowthers didn't even map the caves until 1972. Although, of course, a lot of the structure of Mammoth Cave was known to Stephen Bishop in the 19th century. Adam
Re: Seeking (former) Adventurers
On Jun 3, 2008, at 4:21 PM, Stephen Frazier wrote: No, I meant 1970. It was one of the first games that ran on the computer centers TSO system. (It seems like it had another name before it was called TSO but I don't remember it.) Startrek and Football were the others. They all appeared about 1969. I don't remember which was first. Adventure was written in PL/I and Startrek was in Fortran. Football was in another language. (Cobol? or Basic? maybe) I wrote the OU version of adventure in my spare time while working on the help desk. The university version wasn't that much different it just had the names changed and a few new passages added. You are in an administration building filled with twisty little passages all alike. I left the help desk in 1973 to work for DHS as a programmer. I will be eternally grateful if anyone can come up with documentation showing Adventure to have been played before 1975. A dated printout of a session transcript would be ideal, or even a dated listing showing the file resident on some system. I'm guessing that what's going on here is conflation of Adventure and something sorta-kinda-similar, like Hunt the Wumpus (Gregory Yob, Dartmouth BASIC, 1972 or earlier)--it had definitely migrated to mainframes by 1972 according to Wikipedia and was first published in 1973, so I would not be surprised if *it* were around in 1970. Bottomless pits, bats, and dodecahedrons? Wumpus. Bottomless pits, dwarves, and huge fierce green snakes that bar the way? Adventure. Adam
Re: Install RACF without HLASM???
Thanks Alan and Tom. I'm going to attempt the mangled assembler method f irst, just because that sounds fun. Failing that, I'm a gonna zap the nucleus. Actually, t hat sounds fun too. :-) Thanks again, Leland On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:16:29 -0500, Thomas Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wr ote: The ZAP command comes to mind, and seems appropriate. An MVS-type progra m to customize and MVS-type product. /Tom Kern On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:03:18 -0400, Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, 06/03/2008 at 02:44 EDT, Leland Lucius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, is it possible? We are a new installation, and have attempted to set the DISKF in SYSSEC to DEFER. Unfortunately, no go. Officially, you cannot customize HCPRWA without HLASM. If you're good at assembler and VMSES/E build lists, you may be able to alter the modules and macros in such a way to enable it to assemble wit h the ASSEMBLE command. (e.g. I don't think it needs HCPPROLG and HCPEPI LG macros). Not supported, of course, but maybe a way to avoid buying the assembler. The good news is that HCPRWA is just a table with well-defi ned external references. You just need to be sure the TEXT deck attributes are overridden at LOAD time to ensure it is RMODE ANY. YMMV. I haven' t tried it. Developing a way to customize HCPRWA (et. al.) without HLASM is on the To Do list. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott = == =
Re: Install RACF without HLASM???
On Tuesday, 06/03/2008 at 06:08 EDT, Thomas Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just checked and I am wrong. The ZAP command does not work against individual TEXT files. But the CMS LOAD command accepts VER and REP statements at the end of a TEXT file. Does the process used to generate the CPLOAD MODULE use that LOAD command? You can use ZAPTEXT, my second development assignment after hiring on with IBM. :-) Of course, the thought of using a zap against a text deck that is so critical to the security subsystem kind of rubs me the wrong way, but I can get over it. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: Define/Remove CPU from an MVS Guest
On Tuesday, 06/03/2008 at 05:26 EDT, Wandschneider, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I now know that the MACHINE ESA 4 statement authorizes the guest to use up to four CPUs. I successfully executed a DEFINE CPU 03. However, MVS could not configure the 4th CPU online since it did not know about it at IPL time. Okay but, with the 4th CPU defined and not doing anything, how would one go about safely removing CPU 03 short of an IPL? Yes, I tried the DETACH CPU 03 command and watched the MVS system IPL. You don't. If you DETACH a CPU, the virtual machine will RESET. (If you have SET CONCEAL ON or OPTION CONCEAL, that will cause the guest to re-IPL automatically.) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
