Re: Draft outline for z/VM New Parents Guide posted
Since I can not attend SHARE this time around, could someone that does attend this BOF keep me in the loop, please? Thanks a lot. DJ Mike Walter wrote: While this is a terrific collaborative project for the VM Community at Large, would it be helpful to schedule a working BOF (Birds of a Feather) session at SHARE Baltimore in a week and a half? A lot can of thoughts can be considered and discussed in an hour or two compared to wading through many pages of e-mails. Obviously, any such session would also be a contributor for discussions on the list, not the ultimate dictator. Mike Walter Hewitt Associates The thoughts herein are mine alone, not those of my employer. The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited.
Re: Draft outline for z/VM New Parents Guide posted
While this is a terrific collaborative project for the VM Community at Large, would it be helpful to schedule a working BOF (Birds of a Feather) session at SHARE Baltimore in a week and a half? A lot can of thoughts can be considered and discussed in an hour or two compared to wading through many pages of e-mails. Obviously, any such session would also be a contributor for discussions on the list, not the ultimate dictator. Mike Walter Hewitt Associates The thoughts herein are mine alone, not those of my employer. The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited.
Re: Draft outline for z/VM New Parents Guide posted
Mike, I was just thinking the same thing munson -Original Message- From: Mike Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Aug 2, 2006 9:55 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Draft outline for z/VM New Parents Guide posted While this is a terrific collaborative project for the VM Community at Large, would it be helpful to schedule a working BOF (Birds of a Feather) session at SHARE Baltimore in a week and a half? A lot can of thoughts can be considered and discussed in an hour or two compared to wading through many pages of e-mails. Obviously, any such session would also be a contributor for discussions on the list, not the ultimate dictator. Mike Walter Hewitt Associates The thoughts herein are mine alone, not those of my employer. The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. Bill Munson VM Resources LTD www.vm-resources.com President MVMUA http://www.marist.edu/~mvmua
Re: Draft outline for z/VM New Parents Guide posted
If you do so, schedule it later in the week and announce it here. That way those of us who don't go to SHARE can arrange to attend. 50 miles isn't far, but it does take some advance planning... While this is a terrific collaborative project for the VM Community at Large, would it be helpful to schedule a working BOF (Birds of a Feather) session at SHARE Baltimore in a week and a half? A lot can of thoughts can be considered and discussed in an hour or two compared to wading through many pages of e-mails. Obviously, any such session would also be a contributor for discussions on the list, not the ultimate dictator.
Re: Draft outline for z/VM New Parents Guide posted
alas I will have left Baltimore by then - keep me posted - Jim Vincent wrote: I got the ball. I will get it scheduled hopefully for Thursday at 6pm (if there is a room available) and will post with details once it is done. ___ James Vincent Systems Engineering Consultant Nationwide Services Co., Technology Solutions Mainframe, z/VM and z/Linux Support One Nationwide Plaza 3-20-13 Columbus OH 43215-2220 U.S.A Voice: (614) 249-5547Fax: (614) 677-7681 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 08/02/2006 02:17:45 PM: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU If you do so, schedule it later in the week and announce it here. That way those of us who don't go to SHARE can arrange to attend. 50 miles isn't far, but it does take some advance planning... While this is a terrific collaborative project for the VM Community at Large, would it be helpful to schedule a working BOF (Birds of a Feather) session at SHARE Baltimore in a week and a half? A lot can of thoughts can be considered and discussed in an hour or two compared to wading through many pages of e-mails. Obviously, any such session would also be a contributor for discussions on the list, not the ultimate dictator.
Draft outline for z/VM New Parents Guide posted
As promised, I've posted my take on a book outline for new z/VM system programmers. I'd appreciate comments and extensions to the topics (and if people see sections they'd volunteer to write, I'd be thrilled). I think a lot of the material will be reading the IBM stuff and casting it into our own words, but we can also improve on same...8-) Note that the document is marked copyrighted by the VM Community Trust -- this is simply to avoid one of the commercial publishers picking it up and misusing it. I would intend this document to be owned by the VM community and maintained by same (in the same vein as Melinda Varian's classic What Mother Never Told You About VM Service). If we get further with this, I'll set up a non-profit to hold the copyrights so that it remains in the public trust. This was very successful for some items on Usenet. The proposed outline is available at: http://www.sinenomine.net/node/559. Comments are welcome, and should be posted to me and to the list. -- db
Re: Draft outline for z/VM New Parents Guide posted
Hi, Looking through the outline (wow, you do a lot, fast!) I thought of a few comments/suggestions. chapter 2: was SAPIPL supposed to say SALIPL? chapter 3: how about changing volsers (a definite FAQ!) does the QDIO setup belong here, rather than in chapter 4, interfaces? chapter 4: SMTP in services? under configuring LPR/LPD, should there be specific mention of the exit routines? (e.g. the new one for exits 0,1) chapter 5: MDISK and SFS filesystems? and yes, I think XEDIT, REXX, and PIPES should each be a chapter. chapter 8: getting your service up into L1 from L2? chapter 10: SFS admin tasks chapter 11: (Isn't that the bankrupt one) VMFTP? SHOW!! where to discuss upgrading your system to an entirely new v/r of VM? Thanks, Shimon On 1 Aug 2006 at 16:13, David Boyes wrote: As promised, I've posted my take on a book outline for new z/VM system programmers. I'd appreciate comments and extensions to the topics (and if people see sections they'd volunteer to write, I'd be thrilled). I think a lot of the material will be reading the IBM stuff and casting it into our own words, but we can also improve on same...8-) Note that the document is marked copyrighted by the VM Community Trust -- this is simply to avoid one of the commercial publishers picking it up and misusing it. I would intend this document to be owned by the VM community and maintained by same (in the same vein as Melinda Varian's classic What Mother Never Told You About VM Service). If we get further with this, I'll set up a non-profit to hold the copyrights so that it remains in the public trust. This was very successful for some items on Usenet. The proposed outline is available at: http://www.sinenomine.net/node/559. Comments are welcome, and should be posted to me and to the list. -- db
Re: Draft outline for z/VM New Parents Guide posted
Nice start! Chapter 8 could be Book 2. That really could end up being one very long chapter unless you stick very close to the IBM default recommendations, You know, like we all do... on days that end in z. The maintenance/service philosophies from different folks could be chapters in themselves. There is of course only one correct way to do service and that would be, well, mine. I have tried to develop my SHARE VMSES/E Intro session and Lab into something that most folks can walk away from and understand more about what VMSES/E is up to and how to apply service to VM. This is one hour lecture and one hour lab, but it would be very easy to make it much longer given all the possible scenario of maintenance (PTF, many PTFs, missing pre-req, RSU, new release/version, second level -vs- first level, etc etc). Then beyond that is something I stress about why learning what VMSES/E is up to is a Good Thing. One day these folks are going to want/need to do something more advanced like a local mod, or installing a product that has mods or replacement TXT files, etc. Having the 'basic advanced topics' documented for reference would certainly help them get started. I look forward to seeing this idea bloom more! ___ James Vincent Systems Engineering Consultant Nationwide Services Co., Technology Solutions Mainframe, z/VM and z/Linux Support One Nationwide Plaza 3-20-13 Columbus OH 43215-2220 U.S.A Voice: (614) 249-5547Fax: (614) 677-7681 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 08/01/2006 04:13:08 PM: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU As promised, I've posted my take on a book outline for new z/VM system programmers. I'd appreciate comments and extensions to the topics (and if people see sections they'd volunteer to write, I'd be thrilled). I think a lot of the material will be reading the IBM stuff and casting it into our own words, but we can also improve on same...8-) Note that the document is marked copyrighted by the VM Community Trust -- this is simply to avoid one of the commercial publishers picking it up and misusing it. I would intend this document to be owned by the VM community and maintained by same (in the same vein as Melinda Varian's classic What Mother Never Told You About VM Service). If we get further with this, I'll set up a non-profit to hold the copyrights so that it remains in the public trust. This was very successful for some items on Usenet. The proposed outline is available at: http://www.sinenomine.net/node/559. Comments are welcome, and should be posted to me and to the list. -- db
Re: Draft outline for z/VM New Parents Guide posted
Chapter 3 note - applying the most recent RSU/COR is included in the VM One Page Install sheet. So it should be a normal thing in a virgin install of VM for the person to use the automatic tools (SERVICE PUT2PROD). Those steps are definitely included there and seem to be well documented for normal/basic service in the Service Guide for folks that want all the details. The only case where SERVICE would or may not be used is if the sysprog decided to futz with the PPF file(s) and changes the defaults as soon as the system was installed. I could go on and on and on... oh look, shiny things! Gotta run... ___ James Vincent Systems Engineering Consultant Nationwide Services Co., Technology Solutions Mainframe, z/VM and z/Linux Support One Nationwide Plaza 3-20-13 Columbus OH 43215-2220 U.S.A Voice: (614) 249-5547Fax: (614) 677-7681 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 08/01/2006 04:13:08 PM: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU As promised, I've posted my take on a book outline for new z/VM system programmers. I'd appreciate comments and extensions to the topics (and if people see sections they'd volunteer to write, I'd be thrilled). I think a lot of the material will be reading the IBM stuff and casting it into our own words, but we can also improve on same...8-) Note that the document is marked copyrighted by the VM Community Trust -- this is simply to avoid one of the commercial publishers picking it up and misusing it. I would intend this document to be owned by the VM community and maintained by same (in the same vein as Melinda Varian's classic What Mother Never Told You About VM Service). If we get further with this, I'll set up a non-profit to hold the copyrights so that it remains in the public trust. This was very successful for some items on Usenet. The proposed outline is available at: http://www.sinenomine.net/node/559. Comments are welcome, and should be posted to me and to the list. -- db
Re: Draft outline for z/VM New Parents Guide posted
It is easy to see how this could grow to more than one book! I can see a couple things that might be worth expanding. In chapter 4, it might be worthwhile to add Guest LAN and Hipersockets to the Connecting Interfaces section. I think it would also be useful to make some reference to Pass-Through somwhat like you suggest for VTAM. Chapter 6 should probably touch on PROP as the rudimentary automation tool included with z/VM. There could also be sections to introduce included tools like VMUTIL. Someone already mentioned inclusion of HCD. That section should probably also discuss the native z/VM commands and the contrasts between the two options. Rick Barlow Systems Engineering Consultant Nationwide Services Co., Enterprise Business Intelligence Services Mainframe, z/VM and zSeries Linux Support One Nationwide Plaza 3-20-13 Columbus OH 43215-2220 U.S.A Voice: (614) 249-5213Fax: (614) 677-0821 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 08/01/2006 04:13:08 PM: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU As promised, I've posted my take on a book outline for new z/VM system programmers. I'd appreciate comments and extensions to the topics (and if people see sections they'd volunteer to write, I'd be thrilled). I think a lot of the material will be reading the IBM stuff and casting it into our own words, but we can also improve on same...8-) Note that the document is marked copyrighted by the VM Community Trust -- this is simply to avoid one of the commercial publishers picking it up and misusing it. I would intend this document to be owned by the VM community and maintained by same (in the same vein as Melinda Varian's classic What Mother Never Told You About VM Service). If we get further with this, I'll set up a non-profit to hold the copyrights so that it remains in the public trust. This was very successful for some items on Usenet. The proposed outline is available at: http://www.sinenomine.net/node/559. Comments are welcome, and should be posted to me and to the list. -- db
Re: Draft outline for z/VM New Parents Guide posted
Perhaps Care and Feeding of SFS, also? -dan. David Kreuter wrote: 1. dynamic i/o 2. network tracing 3. second the motion for DIRMAINT 4. rudiments of CP and CMS debugging including dump tools and interactive commands 5. system shutdown 6. TSAF and/or CSE David The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 08/01/2006 04:13:08 PM: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU As promised, I've posted my take on a book outline for new z/VM system programmers. I'd appreciate comments and extensions to the topics (and if people see sections they'd volunteer to write, I'd be thrilled). I think a lot of the material will be reading the IBM stuff and casting it into our own words, but we can also improve on same...8-) Note that the document is marked copyrighted by the VM Community Trust -- this is simply to avoid one of the commercial publishers picking it up and misusing it. I would intend this document to be owned by the VM community and maintained by same (in the same vein as Melinda Varian's classic What Mother Never Told You About VM Service). If we get further with this, I'll set up a non-profit to hold the copyrights so that it remains in the public trust. This was very successful for some items on Usenet. The proposed outline is available at: http://www.sinenomine.net/node/559. Comments are welcome, and should be posted to me and to the list. -- db
