Re: Problems at DR test

2011-06-22 Thread Kris Buelens
I just made a test with a secondlevel z/VM system (it has 600-605, SYSG and
SYSC as consoles in SYSTEM CONFIG)
 - #CP TERM CONMODE 3270#IPL  LOADPARM CONS0009
 - I DIAL to the secondlevel as 601, and logon to MAINT there
 - on the firstlevel system, I issue #CP DEF 9 1F
 - in the secondlevel's MAINT: SHUTDOWN REIPL
== wait 1010
This proves that at SHUTDOWN REIPL CP did no longer look at the list of
consoles in its SYSTEM CONFIG, it wanted 0009 and nothing else.

2011/6/22 Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com

 On Tuesday, 06/21/2011 at 02:40 EDT, gclo...@br.ibm.com wrote:
  Is SYSC the unique restriction?
  Another legacy of the last millennium?

 Restriction against what?  It is the one unifying console interface.  It
 works for all the OSes.  If you know how to use it for one OS, you know
 how to use it for the others, both on the HMC and via #CP VINPUT VMSG. And
 it operates whether the guest is running in 3270 mode or 3215.

 Ideally, you shouldn't even have to code it in SYSTEM CONFIG.  System_3270
 (SYSG) and System_Console (SYSC) should be the consoles of last resort. If
 you don't specify any operator or emergency consoles, SYSG and SYSC are
 what you get.  If the 3270 session is started, you get that.  If not, you
 get the linemode console.  Easy.

 The only time a 1010 would be given would be if an explicitly specified
 console at IPL wasn't available for use.  And I have to think about
 whether I believe that SAPL parms or LOADPARM that are re-used on SHUTDOWN
 REIPL constitute explicitly specified -- I don't think so.  IMO, for the
 purposes of abend restart and SHUTDOWN REIPL, that stored value is simply
 prepended to the operator and emergency console lists.  Just come up on
 the next available operator console with a message that says PREVIOUS
 CONSOLE DEVICE 01F IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE.

 While we're Wishing, I would also wish that CP would accompany all IPL
 wait states with a message to the integrated console, including SPECIFIED
 CONSOLE DEVICE 009 IS NOT A 3270.  (Natch, the system has to be able to
 come up far enough to allow CP to connect to SYSC!)  The one wait state
 with no message would be the one for I can't establish a connection with
 the integrated console - something is seriously wrong.  (If SYSC doesn't
 exist at all, that's a horse of a different color.)

 An always-on, always-there console changes the nature of traditional CP
 error reporting.

 Alan Altmark

 z/VM and Linux on System z Consultant
 IBM System Lab Services and Training
 ibm.com/systems/services/labservices
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Re: Problems at DR test

2011-06-22 Thread Alan Altmark
Kris, I wasn't disputing the current state of affairs, but was expressing
my opinion on how it *should* work.

Regards,

Alan Altmark
IBM Lab Services

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Re: Problems at DR test

2011-06-22 Thread Schuh, Richard
Have you submitted requirements? :-)

Regards, 
Richard Schuh 

 

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 Kris, I wasn't disputing the current state of affairs, but 
 was expressing my opinion on how it *should* work.
 
 Regards,
 
 Alan Altmark
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Re: Problems at DR test

2011-06-22 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 06/22/2011 at 11:41 EDT, Schuh, Richard rsc...@visa.com 
wrote:
 Have you submitted requirements? :-)

Why, no.  I just figured I'd post here like everyone else and hope for a 
miracle.  :-)  [Certain People in the Lab will be disappointed to the know 
that I will be back in the office on Friday!]

Alan Altmark

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Re: Problems at DR test

2011-06-21 Thread Malcolm Beattie
Frank M. Ramaekers writes:
 But I'm still confused.  Back at home I have to 2nd level VMs named
 VMTEST and VMNEW.  They IPL CMS and run an PROFILE EXEC.  Both are
 exactly the same:
[...]
   CP IPL 06F8 CLEAR LOADPARM 0009   
[...]
 Yet, they IPL differently (VMNEW is 6.1 and VMTEST is 5.4 @ 1003):

CP choose what operator console to use by looking through the
devices listed in the Operator_Consoles statement in
SYSTEM CONFIG (or overriden by CONS=nnn via SAL).
The difference you saw would happen if VMTEST had your console
address listed in Operator_Consoles (or CONS=0009 stamped into
the SAL settings via SALIPL) and VMNEW did not. VMNEW would then
fall through to the System_Console which usually sits at the
end of the Operator_Console list and prompt you via SCLP/VINPUT.

--Malcolm

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Mainframe Systems and Software Business, Europe
IBM UK


Re: Problems at DR test

2011-06-21 Thread Jeff Gribbin
I'm thinking, 'AUTO_IPL parameter on FEATURES statement missing in SYSTEM
CONFIG on the 6.1 system'

IIRC, the system does not ship with AUTO_IPL enabled - you have to make that
change yourself.

Example (fragment) from a SYSTEM CONFIG near me ...

/**/

/* Features Statement */

/**/





 Features ,

   Auto_IPL WARM DRAIN,

   Auto_IPL_After_Restart WARM DRAIN,   /* After RESTART ...  */

   Auto_IPL_After_Shutdown_Reipl WARM DRAIN,   /* and SHUTDOWN REIPL  */


Re: Problems at DR test

2011-06-21 Thread Frank M. Ramaekers
Ahhh,   I knew there was a reason for it, just couldn't see it.

 

VMTEST SYSTEM CONFIG:

 

Operator_Consoles 6F00 6F20 6F01 6F21 0009,

   System_3270 System_Console   

 Emergency_Message_Consoles   6F00 6F20 6F01 6F21 0009, 

  System_Console

 

(This is basically what we used at the DR site, but they have their VM
console defined at 0001.)

 

 

The VMNEW (as it was shipped) had the following (notice no console at
0009):

 

Operator_Consoles 0020 0021 0022 0023 0E20 0E21 1020 ,   

   System_3270 System_Console 

 Emergency_Message_Consoles   0020 0021 0022 0023 0E20 0E21 1020 ,

  System_Console  

 

That completely explains it, THANKS!

 

Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.

 

 

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Subject: Re: Problems at DR test

 

Frank M. Ramaekers writes:

 But I'm still confused.  Back at home I have to 2nd level VMs named

 VMTEST and VMNEW.  They IPL CMS and run an PROFILE EXEC.  Both are

 exactly the same:

[...]

   CP IPL 06F8 CLEAR LOADPARM 0009   

[...]

 Yet, they IPL differently (VMNEW is 6.1 and VMTEST is 5.4 @ 1003):

 

CP choose what operator console to use by looking through the

devices listed in the Operator_Consoles statement in

SYSTEM CONFIG (or overriden by CONS=nnn via SAL).

The difference you saw would happen if VMTEST had your console

address listed in Operator_Consoles (or CONS=0009 stamped into

the SAL settings via SALIPL) and VMNEW did not. VMNEW would then

fall through to the System_Console which usually sits at the

end of the Operator_Console list and prompt you via SCLP/VINPUT.

 

--Malcolm

 

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Re: Problems at DR test

2011-06-21 Thread Michael MacIsaac
Hi,

This thread has brought up a question in my mind  (maybe it's a dumb one, 
but I'll ask it anyway :))

Assumptions:

1) This is the default value for Operator_Consoles in the SYSTEM CONFIG 
file (and probably most shops do not delete or change the last two 
entries):
Operator_Consoles 0020 0021 0022 0023 0E20 0E21 1020 ,
  System_3270 System_Console


2) System_3270 == the Integrated 3270 console == the mnemonic SYSG

3) System_Console == the Operating System Messages window == the mnemonic 
SYSC

As I understand it, the Operating System Messages window is always 
available to each LPAR.  So if it is in most paths for z/VM to find a 
console, why should we ever see PSWs of 1010?  Shouldn't z/VM always find 
the Operating System Messages window as a last resort? (I must have one of 
my assumptions wrong, because we do see 1010s).

Thanks.

Mike MacIsaac mike...@us.ibm.com   (845) 433-7061

Re: Problems at DR test

2011-06-21 Thread Scott Rohling
On a 2nd level z/VM, these consoles don't exist -- so a wait 1010 is very
possible...   on a 1st level system, I agree with you - we'd have to hear
more to figure it out, I think.

I'm actually not seeing why console definitions are explaining why one of
the Frank's guests IPL without a prompt, and the other stops at the prompt.
 To me, this is clearly due to the use of Auto_IPL in the SYSTEM CONFIG.
If the prompt cannot be responded to - ok - that's about consoles ... but
the original question is likely about a difference in the Features Auto_IPL
setting..  which I suggesed pretty early on in this thread.

Scott Rohling

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 6:57 AM, Michael MacIsaac mike...@us.ibm.comwrote:


 Hi,

 This thread has brought up a question in my mind  (maybe it's a dumb one,
 but I'll ask it anyway :))

 Assumptions:

 1) This is the default value for Operator_Consoles in the SYSTEM CONFIGfile 
 (and probably most shops do not delete or change the last two entries):
 Operator_Consoles 0020 0021 0022 0023 0E20 0E21 1020 ,
   System_3270 System_Console


 2) System_3270 == the Integrated 3270 console == the mnemonic SYSG

 3) System_Console == the Operating System Messages window == the mnemonic
 SYSC

 As I understand it, the Operating System Messages window is always
 available to each LPAR.  So if it is in most paths for z/VM to find a
 console, why should we ever see PSWs of 1010?  Shouldn't z/VM always find
 the Operating System Messages window as a last resort? (I must have one of
 my assumptions wrong, because we do see 1010s).

 Thanks.

 Mike MacIsaac mike...@us.ibm.com   (845) 433-7061



Re: Problems at DR test

2011-06-21 Thread Frank M. Ramaekers
Oh, it just cannot be responded to normally when 'HCPSED6013A A CP read
is pending' is displayed.  Instead all responses must be prefixed with
#CP VINPUT VMSG '.

 

 

Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.

 

 



From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On
Behalf Of Scott Rohling
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 8:10 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Problems at DR test

 

On a 2nd level z/VM, these consoles don't exist -- so a wait 1010 is
very possible...   on a 1st level system, I agree with you - we'd have
to hear more to figure it out, I think.

 

I'm actually not seeing why console definitions are explaining why one
of the Frank's guests IPL without a prompt, and the other stops at the
prompt.  To me, this is clearly due to the use of Auto_IPL in the SYSTEM
CONFIG.   If the prompt cannot be responded to - ok - that's about
consoles ... but the original question is likely about a difference in
the Features Auto_IPL setting..  which I suggesed pretty early on in
this thread.

 

Scott Rohling

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 6:57 AM, Michael MacIsaac mike...@us.ibm.com
wrote:


Hi, 

This thread has brought up a question in my mind  (maybe it's a dumb
one, but I'll ask it anyway :)) 

Assumptions: 

1) This is the default value for Operator_Consoles in the SYSTEM CONFIG
file (and probably most shops do not delete or change the last two
entries): 

Operator_Consoles 0020 0021 0022 0023 0E20 0E21 1020 , 
  System_3270 System_Console 



2) System_3270 == the Integrated 3270 console == the mnemonic SYSG 

3) System_Console == the Operating System Messages window == the
mnemonic SYSC 

As I understand it, the Operating System Messages window is always
available to each LPAR.  So if it is in most paths for z/VM to find a
console, why should we ever see PSWs of 1010?  Shouldn't z/VM always
find the Operating System Messages window as a last resort? (I must have
one of my assumptions wrong, because we do see 1010s). 

Thanks. 


Mike MacIsaac mike...@us.ibm.com   (845) 433-7061
tel:%28845%29%20433-7061 

 


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Re: Problems at DR test

2011-06-21 Thread Scott Rohling

 Oh, it just cannot be responded to normally when ‘HCPSED6013A A CP read is
 pending’ is displayed.  Instead all responses must be prefixed with “#CP
 VINPUT VMSG ‘.

 ** **

  

 Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.

 ** **

 ** **
  --

 *
 *


Ok - that explains the console statements.   If you want the systems to IPL
identically then check out the Features statement in SYSTEM CONFIG.   One
appears to have Auto_IPL WARM DRAIN -- the other doesn't and you get
HCPSED6013A
and have to respond to a prompt.  Glad you got through it all!

Scott Rohling


Re: Problems at DR test

2011-06-21 Thread gclovis
Hi, Mike.
My own perception (of course, I can be wrong ;-) )
SYSC emules something like a 3215, not a 3270. When opened, SYSG emules a 
3270.
Depending of definitions on SYSTEM CONFIG,  VM needs to send a 3270 
screen, not possible on SYSC. Generate some Wait code, as the 1010. 
Example: IPL xxx LOADPARM SYSC will never be possible,  SALIPL needs a 
3270 screen.
If the reply don't need a screen, only one line, the SYSC can be used, and 
the ipl continues.
Regards,
__
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To:
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Date:
21/06/2011 09:58
Subject:
Re: Problems at DR test
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Hi, 

This thread has brought up a question in my mind  (maybe it's a dumb one, 
but I'll ask it anyway :)) 

Assumptions: 

1) This is the default value for Operator_Consoles in the SYSTEM CONFIG 
file (and probably most shops do not delete or change the last two 
entries): 
Operator_Consoles 0020 0021 0022 0023 0E20 0E21 1020 , 
  System_3270 System_Console 


2) System_3270 == the Integrated 3270 console == the mnemonic SYSG 

3) System_Console == the Operating System Messages window == the mnemonic 
SYSC 

As I understand it, the Operating System Messages window is always 
available to each LPAR.  So if it is in most paths for z/VM to find a 
console, why should we ever see PSWs of 1010?  Shouldn't z/VM always find 
the Operating System Messages window as a last resort? (I must have one of 
my assumptions wrong, because we do see 1010s). 

Thanks. 

Mike MacIsaac mike...@us.ibm.com   (845) 433-7061



Re: Problems at DR test

2011-06-21 Thread David Boyes
1) This is the default value for Operator_Consoles in the SYSTEM CONFIG file 
(and probably most shops do not delete or change the last two entries):
Operator_Consoles 0020 0021 0022 0023 0E20 0E21 1020 ,
  System_3270 System_Console
As I understand it, the Operating System Messages window is always available to 
each LPAR.  So if it is in most paths for z/VM to find a console, why should 
we ever see PSWs of 1010?  Shouldn't z/VM always find the Operating System 
Messages window as a last resort? (I must have one of my assumptions wrong, 
because we do see 1010s).

Related question: given the addresses listed in the default list seem kinda 
random, is there any reason why 009 *isn't* listed?


Re: Problems at DR test

2011-06-21 Thread Scott Rohling
my 2 cents:   because most 009 consoles are defined as 3215 on z/VM guests.
  (as for the ones that are listed..  ummm..  darts? :-)

Scott Rohling

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 8:09 AM, David Boyes dbo...@sinenomine.net wrote:

 1) This is the default value for Operator_Consoles in the SYSTEM CONFIGfile 
 (and probably most shops do not delete or change the last two entries):
 Operator_Consoles 0020 0021 0022 0023 0E20 0E21 1020 ,
   System_3270 System_Console
 As I understand it, the Operating System Messages window is always
 available to each LPAR.  So if it is in most paths for z/VM to find a
 console, why should we ever see PSWs of 1010?  Shouldn't z/VM always find
 the Operating System Messages window as a last resort? (I must have one of
 my assumptions wrong, because we do see 1010s).

 

 Related question: given the addresses listed in the default list seem kinda
 random, is there any reason why 009 **isn’t** listed?  



Re: Problems at DR test

2011-06-21 Thread Kris Buelens
Well, as has been mentioned ages ago here: when you IPL with an override for
CONS, the list of consoles in SYSTEM CONFIG is replaced by the overide.  So,
if after an IPL with override VM is restarted (with SHUTDOWN REIPL or after
an abend), and at that time that console isn't theren, you get wait 1010.
(you get the override by typing CONS= in SAPL or coding CONS as
LOADPARM).

Some other point: the SYSC is always there: at first level it is on the HMC,
at second level, the first level VM simulated the SYSC on the logon screen
(and you use #CP VINPUT to respond).

2011/6/21 Michael MacIsaac mike...@us.ibm.com


 Hi,

 This thread has brought up a question in my mind  (maybe it's a dumb one,
 but I'll ask it anyway :))

 Assumptions:

 1) This is the default value for Operator_Consoles in the SYSTEM CONFIGfile 
 (and probably most shops do not delete or change the last two entries):
 Operator_Consoles 0020 0021 0022 0023 0E20 0E21 1020 ,
   System_3270 System_Console


 2) System_3270 == the Integrated 3270 console == the mnemonic SYSG

 3) System_Console == the Operating System Messages window == the mnemonic
 SYSC

 As I understand it, the Operating System Messages window is always
 available to each LPAR.  So if it is in most paths for z/VM to find a
 console, why should we ever see PSWs of 1010?  Shouldn't z/VM always find
 the Operating System Messages window as a last resort? (I must have one of
 my assumptions wrong, because we do see 1010s).

 Thanks.

 Mike MacIsaac mike...@us.ibm.com   (845) 433-7061




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Re: Problems at DR test

2011-06-21 Thread Stephen Frazier

On 6/21/2011 9:18 AM, Scott Rohling wrote:
my 2 cents:   because most 009 consoles are defined as 3215 on z/VM 
guests.   (as for the ones that are listed..  ummm..  darts? :-)


Scott Rohling

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 8:09 AM, David Boyes dbo...@sinenomine.net 
mailto:dbo...@sinenomine.net wrote:


1) This is the default value for Operator_Consolesin the SYSTEM
CONFIGfile (and probably most shops do not delete or change the
last two entries):
Operator_Consoles 0020 0021 0022 0023 0E20 0E21 1020 ,
  System_3270 System_Console
As I understand it, the Operating System Messages window is always
available to each LPAR.  So if it is in most paths for z/VM to
find a console, why should we ever see PSWs of 1010?  Shouldn't
z/VM always find the Operating System Messages window as a last
resort? (I must have one of my assumptions wrong, because we do
see 1010s).

Related question: given the addresses listed in the default list
seem kinda random, is there any reason why 009 **isn’t** listed?


The other addresses listed are the default addresses of so 3274 and 3174 
terminal controllers that were popular in the 1970's and 1980's.


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Re: Problems at DR test

2011-06-21 Thread Alan Altmark
On 6/21/2011 9:18 AM, Scott Rohling wrote:
 my 2 cents:   because most 009 consoles are defined as 3215 on z/VM 
guests.
 (as for the ones that are listed..  ummm.. darts? :-) 

There's no reason why CP could not issue TERM CONMODE 3270, as Linux does 
when instructed to use a 3270 console.  Even CMS issues TERM CONMODE 3215 
when it IPLs.

Alan Altmark

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IBM System Lab Services and Training 
ibm.com/systems/services/labservices 
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Re: Problems at DR test

2011-06-21 Thread David Boyes
 There's no reason why CP could not issue TERM CONMODE 3270, as Linux
 does
 when instructed to use a 3270 console.  Even CMS issues TERM CONMODE
 3215
 when it IPLs.

I mean, really, mom... all the cool OSes do itwhine

8-)


-- db

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Re: Problems at DR test

2011-06-21 Thread gclovis
Is SYSC the unique restriction? 
Another legacy of the last millennium? 
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On 6/21/2011 9:18 AM, Scott Rohling wrote:
 my 2 cents:   because most 009 consoles are defined as 3215 on z/VM 
guests.
 (as for the ones that are listed..  ummm.. darts? :-) 

There's no reason why CP could not issue TERM CONMODE 3270, as Linux does 
when instructed to use a 3270 console.  Even CMS issues TERM CONMODE 3215 
when it IPLs.

Alan Altmark

z/VM and Linux on System z Consultant
IBM System Lab Services and Training 
ibm.com/systems/services/labservices 
office: 607.429.3323
mobile; 607.321.7556
alan_altm...@us.ibm.com
IBM Endicott




Re: Problems at DR test

2011-06-21 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 06/21/2011 at 02:40 EDT, gclo...@br.ibm.com wrote:
 Is SYSC the unique restriction? 
 Another legacy of the last millennium? 

Restriction against what?  It is the one unifying console interface.  It 
works for all the OSes.  If you know how to use it for one OS, you know 
how to use it for the others, both on the HMC and via #CP VINPUT VMSG. And 
it operates whether the guest is running in 3270 mode or 3215.

Ideally, you shouldn't even have to code it in SYSTEM CONFIG.  System_3270 
(SYSG) and System_Console (SYSC) should be the consoles of last resort. If 
you don't specify any operator or emergency consoles, SYSG and SYSC are 
what you get.  If the 3270 session is started, you get that.  If not, you 
get the linemode console.  Easy.

The only time a 1010 would be given would be if an explicitly specified 
console at IPL wasn't available for use.  And I have to think about 
whether I believe that SAPL parms or LOADPARM that are re-used on SHUTDOWN 
REIPL constitute explicitly specified -- I don't think so.  IMO, for the 
purposes of abend restart and SHUTDOWN REIPL, that stored value is simply 
prepended to the operator and emergency console lists.  Just come up on 
the next available operator console with a message that says PREVIOUS 
CONSOLE DEVICE 01F IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE.

While we're Wishing, I would also wish that CP would accompany all IPL 
wait states with a message to the integrated console, including SPECIFIED 
CONSOLE DEVICE 009 IS NOT A 3270.  (Natch, the system has to be able to 
come up far enough to allow CP to connect to SYSC!)  The one wait state 
with no message would be the one for I can't establish a connection with 
the integrated console - something is seriously wrong.  (If SYSC doesn't 
exist at all, that's a horse of a different color.)

An always-on, always-there console changes the nature of traditional CP 
error reporting.

Alan Altmark

z/VM and Linux on System z Consultant
IBM System Lab Services and Training 
ibm.com/systems/services/labservices 
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mobile; 607.321.7556
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Problems at DR test

2011-06-20 Thread Frank M. Ramaekers
I'm attempting to bring up our VM system under 2nd level at the DR site.
The problem that I'm running into is:

 

08:58:10 HCPZCO6718I Using parm disk 1 on volume 610RES (device 06F8)

08:58:10 HCPZCO6718I Parm disk resides on cylinders 39 through 158.  

08:58:10 Start ((Warm|Force|COLD|CLEAN) (DRain) (DIsable)  (NODIRect)

08:58:10   (NOAUTOlog)) or (SHUTDOWN)

H HCPSED6013A A CP read is pending.  

 

The HCPSED6013A seems to be the problem.  At our site, I have two VMs
that I can IPL under our z/VM 5.4.   One will IPL just fine (i.e. no
HCPSED6013A) the other doesn't' and displays this message.  Both VMs are
configured (DIRECT) the same.  I'm at a loss as to why this happens with
one and not the other.

 

We had no problems during the last DR, but we've applied z/VM 5.4
maintenance since then (1003).

 

Ideas?

 

 

 Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.

 

 

Systems Programmer

MCP, MCP+I, MCSE  RHCE

 

American Income Life Insurance Co.

Phone: (254)761-6649

 

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Re: Problems at DR test

2011-06-20 Thread Kris Buelens
You z/VM system didn't find a 3270 console, so it is using the System
console  As you run second level, you an respond to VM questions using
   #CP VINPUT VMSG 
To make it easier:
before you IPL, issue
   CP Q V CONS
   note the address, often 009
   CP TERM CONMODE 3270
   CP IPL  LOADPARM CONS=
( is the disk your VM resident is on;  is the address you found in Q
V CONS)

2011/6/20 Frank M. Ramaekers framaek...@ailife.com

 ** ** ** ** ** **

 I’m attempting to bring up our VM system under 2nd level at the DR site.
 The problem that I’m running into is:

 ** **

 08:58:10 HCPZCO6718I Using parm disk 1 on volume 610RES (device 06F8)

 08:58:10 HCPZCO6718I Parm disk resides on cylinders 39 through 158.  

 08:58:10 Start ((Warm|Force|COLD|CLEAN) (DRain) (DIsable)  (NODIRect)

 08:58:10   (NOAUTOlog)) or (SHUTDOWN)

 H HCPSED6013A A CP read is pending.  

 ** **

 The HCPSED6013A seems to be the problem.  At our site, I have two VMs that
 I can IPL under our z/VM 5.4.   One will IPL just fine (i.e. no HCPSED6013A)
 the other doesn’t’ and displays this message.  Both VMs are configured
 (DIRECT) the same.  I’m at a loss as to why this happens with one and not
 the other.

 ** **

 We had no problems during the last DR, but we’ve applied z/VM 5.4
 maintenance since then (1003).

 ** **

 Ideas?

 ** **

 ** **

  Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.

 ** **

 

 Systems Programmer

 MCP, MCP+I, MCSE  RHCE

 ** **

 American Income Life Insurance Co.

 Phone: (254)761-6649

 ** **

 1200 Wooded Acres Dr.

 Fax: (254)741-5777

 ** **

 Waco**, **Texas**  **76701

 ** **

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Re: Problems at DR test

2011-06-20 Thread Scott Rohling
If you're not getting the prompt - you likely have Auto_IPL Warm or Auto_IPL
Force configured in your SYSTEM CONFIG...   I use Auto_IPL FORCE on my test
systems so that they come up without the need for operator response.

Scott Rohling

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 7:07 AM, Frank M. Ramaekers
framaek...@ailife.comwrote:

 ** ** ** ** ** **

 I’m attempting to bring up our VM system under 2nd level at the DR site.
 The problem that I’m running into is:

 ** **

 08:58:10 HCPZCO6718I Using parm disk 1 on volume 610RES (device 06F8)

 08:58:10 HCPZCO6718I Parm disk resides on cylinders 39 through 158.  

 08:58:10 Start ((Warm|Force|COLD|CLEAN) (DRain) (DIsable)  (NODIRect)

 08:58:10   (NOAUTOlog)) or (SHUTDOWN)

 H HCPSED6013A A CP read is pending.  

 ** **

 The HCPSED6013A seems to be the problem.  At our site, I have two VMs that
 I can IPL under our z/VM 5.4.   One will IPL just fine (i.e. no HCPSED6013A)
 the other doesn’t’ and displays this message.  Both VMs are configured
 (DIRECT) the same.  I’m at a loss as to why this happens with one and not
 the other.

 ** **

 We had no problems during the last DR, but we’ve applied z/VM 5.4
 maintenance since then (1003).

 ** **

 Ideas?

 ** **

 ** **

  Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.

 ** **

 

 Systems Programmer

 MCP, MCP+I, MCSE  RHCE

 ** **

 American Income Life Insurance Co.

 Phone: (254)761-6649

 ** **

 1200 Wooded Acres Dr.

 Fax: (254)741-5777

 ** **

 Waco**, **Texas**  **76701

 ** **

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Re: Problems at DR test

2011-06-20 Thread Michael MacIsaac
  Ideas?

Do a TERM CONMODE 3270 before the IPL.

Mike MacIsaac mike...@us.ibm.com   (845) 433-7061

Re: Problems at DR test

2011-06-20 Thread Frank M. Ramaekers
I'm getting 'HCPCLT1013E An invalid operand was supplied for LOADPARM -
CONS-0001.

 

 

Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.

 

 



From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On
Behalf Of Kris Buelens
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 8:12 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Problems at DR test

 

You z/VM system didn't find a 3270 console, so it is using the System
console  As you run second level, you an respond to VM questions using
   #CP VINPUT VMSG 
To make it easier:
before you IPL, issue
   CP Q V CONS
   note the address, often 009
   CP TERM CONMODE 3270
   CP IPL  LOADPARM CONS=
( is the disk your VM resident is on;  is the address you found
in Q V CONS)

2011/6/20 Frank M. Ramaekers framaek...@ailife.com

I'm attempting to bring up our VM system under 2nd level at the DR site.
The problem that I'm running into is:

 

08:58:10 HCPZCO6718I Using parm disk 1 on volume 610RES (device 06F8)

08:58:10 HCPZCO6718I Parm disk resides on cylinders 39 through 158.  

08:58:10 Start ((Warm|Force|COLD|CLEAN) (DRain) (DIsable)  (NODIRect)

08:58:10   (NOAUTOlog)) or (SHUTDOWN)

H HCPSED6013A A CP read is pending.  

 

The HCPSED6013A seems to be the problem.  At our site, I have two VMs
that I can IPL under our z/VM 5.4.   One will IPL just fine (i.e. no
HCPSED6013A) the other doesn't' and displays this message.  Both VMs are
configured (DIRECT) the same.  I'm at a loss as to why this happens with
one and not the other.

 

We had no problems during the last DR, but we've applied z/VM 5.4
maintenance since then (1003).

 

Ideas?

 

 

 Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.

 



Systems Programmer

MCP, MCP+I, MCSE  RHCE

 

American Income Life Insurance Co.

Phone: (254)761-6649

 

1200 Wooded Acres Dr.

Fax: (254)741-5777

 

Waco, Texas  76701

 

 

 

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Re: Problems at DR test

2011-06-20 Thread Michael Coffin
I think it's just LOADPARM ccuu, so if your consoles is at virtual address
0001:
 
CP IPL  LOADPARM 0001
 
Of course, you can avoid this all together by making your virtual machine
console address the same as your Operator Console address (as specified in
your SYSTEM CONFIG).  So let's say you have a 3270 console at address 0320
at your production site, and it is listed in your SYSTEM CONFIG under
OPERATOR_CONSOLES, when you IPL your RES pack it will find 0320 and write
its messages there without manually specifying the console address on the
IPL command.
 
-Mike
 
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On
Behalf Of Frank M. Ramaekers
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 9:41 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Problems at DR test
 
I'm getting 'HCPCLT1013E An invalid operand was supplied for LOADPARM -
CONS-0001.
 
 

Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.
 
 
  _  

From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On
Behalf Of Kris Buelens
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 8:12 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Problems at DR test
 
You z/VM system didn't find a 3270 console, so it is using the System
console  As you run second level, you an respond to VM questions using
   #CP VINPUT VMSG 
To make it easier:
before you IPL, issue
   CP Q V CONS
   note the address, often 009
   CP TERM CONMODE 3270
   CP IPL  LOADPARM CONS=
( is the disk your VM resident is on;  is the address you found in Q
V CONS)
2011/6/20 Frank M. Ramaekers framaek...@ailife.com
I'm attempting to bring up our VM system under 2nd level at the DR site.
The problem that I'm running into is:
 
08:58:10 HCPZCO6718I Using parm disk 1 on volume 610RES (device 06F8)
08:58:10 HCPZCO6718I Parm disk resides on cylinders 39 through 158.  
08:58:10 Start ((Warm|Force|COLD|CLEAN) (DRain) (DIsable)  (NODIRect)
08:58:10   (NOAUTOlog)) or (SHUTDOWN)
H HCPSED6013A A CP read is pending.  
 
The HCPSED6013A seems to be the problem.  At our site, I have two VMs that I
can IPL under our z/VM 5.4.   One will IPL just fine (i.e. no HCPSED6013A)
the other doesn't' and displays this message.  Both VMs are configured
(DIRECT) the same.  I'm at a loss as to why this happens with one and not
the other.
 
We had no problems during the last DR, but we've applied z/VM 5.4
maintenance since then (1003).
 
Ideas?
 
 

 Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.
 


Systems Programmer
MCP, MCP+I, MCSE  RHCE
 

American Income Life Insurance Co.
Phone: (254)761-6649
 

1200 Wooded Acres Dr.
Fax: (254)741-5777
 

Waco, Texas  76701
 
 
 
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Re: Problems at DR test

2011-06-20 Thread Tom Paul
That's because your console address is not 1.  From you running system do:

 

Q OPERATOR

 

The oPerator console address is your console address or from your system
config operator console statement.  And, do give loadparm.

 

Define 9 xxx (the console address)

Term mode 3270

IPL 

Tom

1-646-452-3359

 

From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On
Behalf Of Frank M. Ramaekers
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 9:41 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Problems at DR test

 

I'm getting 'HCPCLT1013E An invalid operand was supplied for LOADPARM -
CONS-0001.

 

 


Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.

 

 

  _  

From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On
Behalf Of Kris Buelens
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 8:12 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Problems at DR test

 

You z/VM system didn't find a 3270 console, so it is using the System
console  As you run second level, you an respond to VM questions using
   #CP VINPUT VMSG 
To make it easier:
before you IPL, issue
   CP Q V CONS
   note the address, often 009
   CP TERM CONMODE 3270
   CP IPL  LOADPARM CONS=
( is the disk your VM resident is on;  is the address you found in Q
V CONS)

2011/6/20 Frank M. Ramaekers framaek...@ailife.com

I'm attempting to bring up our VM system under 2nd level at the DR site.
The problem that I'm running into is:

 

08:58:10 HCPZCO6718I Using parm disk 1 on volume 610RES (device 06F8)

08:58:10 HCPZCO6718I Parm disk resides on cylinders 39 through 158.  

08:58:10 Start ((Warm|Force|COLD|CLEAN) (DRain) (DIsable)  (NODIRect)

08:58:10   (NOAUTOlog)) or (SHUTDOWN)

H HCPSED6013A A CP read is pending.  

 

The HCPSED6013A seems to be the problem.  At our site, I have two VMs that I
can IPL under our z/VM 5.4.   One will IPL just fine (i.e. no HCPSED6013A)
the other doesn't' and displays this message.  Both VMs are configured
(DIRECT) the same.  I'm at a loss as to why this happens with one and not
the other.

 

We had no problems during the last DR, but we've applied z/VM 5.4
maintenance since then (1003).

 

Ideas?

 

 


 Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.

 

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Systems Programmer

MCP, MCP+I, MCSE  RHCE

 


American Income Life Insurance Co.

Phone: (254)761-6649

 


1200 Wooded Acres Dr.

Fax: (254)741-5777

 


Waco, Texas  76701

 

 

 

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Re: Problems at DR test

2011-06-20 Thread Michael Coffin
Ooops, incomplete thought - so regarding changing your virtual machine
console, assume your virtual machine console is presently at 009 (the
default, issue CP Q V CONS to find out), change it to 0320:
 
CP DEFINE 009 0320
 
Ask your DR provider to make the change permanently in the CP directory, so
you don't have to remember to change it.
 
-MC
 
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On
Behalf Of Michael Coffin
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 9:48 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Problems at DR test
 
I think it's just LOADPARM ccuu, so if your consoles is at virtual address
0001:
 
CP IPL  LOADPARM 0001
 
Of course, you can avoid this all together by making your virtual machine
console address the same as your Operator Console address (as specified in
your SYSTEM CONFIG).  So let's say you have a 3270 console at address 0320
at your production site, and it is listed in your SYSTEM CONFIG under
OPERATOR_CONSOLES, when you IPL your RES pack it will find 0320 and write
its messages there without manually specifying the console address on the
IPL command.
 
-Mike
 
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On
Behalf Of Frank M. Ramaekers
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 9:41 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Problems at DR test
 
I'm getting 'HCPCLT1013E An invalid operand was supplied for LOADPARM -
CONS-0001.
 
 

Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.
 
 
  _  

From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On
Behalf Of Kris Buelens
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 8:12 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Problems at DR test
 
You z/VM system didn't find a 3270 console, so it is using the System
console  As you run second level, you an respond to VM questions using
   #CP VINPUT VMSG 
To make it easier:
before you IPL, issue
   CP Q V CONS
   note the address, often 009
   CP TERM CONMODE 3270
   CP IPL  LOADPARM CONS=
( is the disk your VM resident is on;  is the address you found in Q
V CONS)
2011/6/20 Frank M. Ramaekers framaek...@ailife.com
I'm attempting to bring up our VM system under 2nd level at the DR site.
The problem that I'm running into is:
 
08:58:10 HCPZCO6718I Using parm disk 1 on volume 610RES (device 06F8)
08:58:10 HCPZCO6718I Parm disk resides on cylinders 39 through 158.  
08:58:10 Start ((Warm|Force|COLD|CLEAN) (DRain) (DIsable)  (NODIRect)
08:58:10   (NOAUTOlog)) or (SHUTDOWN)
H HCPSED6013A A CP read is pending.  
 
The HCPSED6013A seems to be the problem.  At our site, I have two VMs that I
can IPL under our z/VM 5.4.   One will IPL just fine (i.e. no HCPSED6013A)
the other doesn't' and displays this message.  Both VMs are configured
(DIRECT) the same.  I'm at a loss as to why this happens with one and not
the other.
 
We had no problems during the last DR, but we've applied z/VM 5.4
maintenance since then (1003).
 
Ideas?
 
 

 Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.
 


Systems Programmer
MCP, MCP+I, MCSE  RHCE
 

American Income Life Insurance Co.
Phone: (254)761-6649
 

1200 Wooded Acres Dr.
Fax: (254)741-5777
 

Waco, Texas  76701
 
 
 
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that any review, disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents
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Re: Problems at DR test

2011-06-20 Thread gclovis
Frank,
After runs  Kris' instructions, to prevent this problem:
Check the CONSOLEs defined in SYSTEM CONFIG.
At first level VM, define the CONSOLE xxx 3270 card into USER DIRECT for 
the second level machine, matching one of the address you saw in SYSTEM 
CONFIG.
Remember: all in first level USER DIRECT, looks like physical to second 
level VM. Including console.
Best regards,
__
Clovis 



From:
Kris Buelens kris.buel...@gmail.com
To:
IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Date:
20/06/2011 10:13
Subject:
Re: Problems at DR test
Sent by:
The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU



You z/VM system didn't find a 3270 console, so it is using the System 
console  As you run second level, you an respond to VM questions using
   #CP VINPUT VMSG 
To make it easier:
before you IPL, issue
   CP Q V CONS
   note the address, often 009
   CP TERM CONMODE 3270
   CP IPL  LOADPARM CONS=
( is the disk your VM resident is on;  is the address you found in 
Q V CONS)

2011/6/20 Frank M. Ramaekers framaek...@ailife.com
I’m attempting to bring up our VM system under 2nd level at the DR site.  
The problem that I’m running into is:
 
08:58:10 HCPZCO6718I Using parm disk 1 on volume 610RES (device 06F8)
08:58:10 HCPZCO6718I Parm disk resides on cylinders 39 through 158.  
08:58:10 Start ((Warm|Force|COLD|CLEAN) (DRain) (DIsable)  (NODIRect)
08:58:10   (NOAUTOlog)) or (SHUTDOWN)
H HCPSED6013A A CP read is pending.  
 
The HCPSED6013A seems to be the problem.  At our site, I have two VMs that 
I can IPL under our z/VM 5.4.   One will IPL just fine (i.e. no 
HCPSED6013A) the other doesn’t’ and displays this message.  Both VMs are 
configured (DIRECT) the same.  I’m at a loss as to why this happens with 
one and not the other.
 
We had no problems during the last DR, but we’ve applied z/VM 5.4 
maintenance since then (1003).
 
Ideas?
 
 

 Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.
 


Systems Programmer
MCP, MCP+I, MCSE  RHCE
 
American Income Life Insurance Co.
Phone: (254)761-6649
 
1200 Wooded Acres Dr.
Fax: (254)741-5777
 
Waco, Texas  76701
 
 
 
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for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended 
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use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have 
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Re: Problems at DR test

2011-06-20 Thread Kris Buelens
The problem is the - in LOADPARM CONS-0009, sorry, I made a typo.
Just enter  IPL LOADPARM CONS0009

Changing the CONSOLE statement in the virtual machine definition of your DR
second level machine is OK too off course.

Summary
 - *IPL *IPLs, but the defaults of SAPL  SYSTEM CONFIG on disk
 must match what you want
 - *IPL  LOADPARM v*  displays the SAPL screen on v, which must
be a 3270;
if v is the logon screen, it must be in TERM CPNMODE 3270
on the SAPL screen you can enter overrides, like CONS=v
 - *IPL  LOADPARM CONS*  starts CP with an override of CONS=v



2011/6/20 Michael Coffin michaelcof...@mccci.com

 Ooops, incomplete thought – so regarding changing your virtual machine
 console, assume your virtual machine console is presently at 009 (the
 default, issue CP Q V CONS to find out), change it to 0320:

 ** **

 CP DEFINE 009 0320

 ** **

 Ask your DR provider to make the change permanently in the CP directory, so
 you don’t have to remember to change it.

 ** **

 -MC

 ** **

 *From:* The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] *On
 Behalf Of *Michael Coffin
 *Sent:* Monday, June 20, 2011 9:48 AM

 *To:* IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
 *Subject:* Re: Problems at DR test

 ** **

 I think it’s just LOADPARM ccuu, so if your consoles is at virtual address
 0001:

 ** **

 CP IPL  LOADPARM 0001

 ** **

 Of course, you can avoid this all together by making your virtual machine
 console address the same as your Operator Console address (as specified in
 your SYSTEM CONFIG).  So let’s say you have a 3270 console at address 0320
 at your production site, and it is listed in your SYSTEM CONFIG under
 OPERATOR_CONSOLES, when you IPL your RES pack it will find 0320 and write
 its messages there without manually specifying the console address on the
 IPL command.

 ** **

 -Mike

 ** **

 *From:* The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] *On
 Behalf Of *Frank M. Ramaekers
 *Sent:* Monday, June 20, 2011 9:41 AM
 *To:* IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
 *Subject:* Re: Problems at DR test

 ** **

 I’m getting ‘HCPCLT1013E An invalid operand was supplied for LOADPARM –
 CONS-0001.

 ** **

  

 Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.

 ** **

 ** **
 --

 *From:* The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] *On
 Behalf Of *Kris Buelens
 *Sent:* Monday, June 20, 2011 8:12 AM
 *To:* IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
 *Subject:* Re: Problems at DR test

 ** **

 You z/VM system didn't find a 3270 console, so it is using the System
 console  As you run second level, you an respond to VM questions using
#CP VINPUT VMSG 
 To make it easier:
 before you IPL, issue
CP Q V CONS
note the address, often 009
CP TERM CONMODE 3270
CP IPL  LOADPARM CONS=
 ( is the disk your VM resident is on;  is the address you found in
 Q V CONS)

 2011/6/20 Frank M. Ramaekers framaek...@ailife.com

 I’m attempting to bring up our VM system under 2nd level at the DR site.
 The problem that I’m running into is:

  

 08:58:10 HCPZCO6718I Using parm disk 1 on volume 610RES (device 06F8)

 08:58:10 HCPZCO6718I Parm disk resides on cylinders 39 through 158.  

 08:58:10 Start ((Warm|Force|COLD|CLEAN) (DRain) (DIsable)  (NODIRect)

 08:58:10   (NOAUTOlog)) or (SHUTDOWN)

 H HCPSED6013A A CP read is pending.  

  

 The HCPSED6013A seems to be the problem.  At our site, I have two VMs that
 I can IPL under our z/VM 5.4.   One will IPL just fine (i.e. no HCPSED6013A)
 the other doesn’t’ and displays this message.  Both VMs are configured
 (DIRECT) the same.  I’m at a loss as to why this happens with one and not
 the other.

  

 We had no problems during the last DR, but we’ve applied z/VM 5.4
 maintenance since then (1003).

  

 Ideas?

  

  

  Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.

  

 

 Systems Programmer

 MCP, MCP+I, MCSE  RHCE

  

 American Income Life Insurance Co.

 Phone: (254)761-6649

  

 1200 Wooded Acres Dr.

 Fax: (254)741-5777

  

 Waco, Texas  76701

  

  

  

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Re: Problems at DR test

2011-06-20 Thread Frank M. Ramaekers
Thanks, the #CP VINPUT VMSG  helped me to get our system up!

 

But I'm still confused.  Back at home I have to 2nd level VMs named
VMTEST and VMNEW.  They IPL CMS and run an PROFILE EXEC.  Both are
exactly the same:

 

VMNEW:

/* */ 

  Trace O   

  Address COMMAND   

  nl=15x

  CP SET RUN ON 

  Cmd=CP TERM CONMODE 3270nl||, 

  CP IPL 06F8 CLEAR LOADPARM 0009   

  Queue Cmd   

Exit  

 

VMTEST:

/* */ 

  Trace O   

  Address COMMAND   

  nl=15x

  CP SET RUN ON 

  Cmd=CP TERM CONMODE 3270nl||, 

  CP IPL 06F8 CLEAR LOADPARM 0009   

  Queue Cmd   

Exit  

 

Yet, they IPL differently (VMNEW is 6.1 and VMTEST is 5.4 @ 1003):

 

VMNEW:

17:37:06 z/VM  V6 R1.0  SERVICE LEVEL 0901 (64-BIT)


17:37:06 SYSTEM NUCLEUS CREATED ON 2009-09-11 AT 16:51:48, LOADED FROM
610RES

17:37:06


17:37:06


17:37:06 * LICENSED MATERIALS - PROPERTY OF IBM*
*

17:37:06 *
*

17:37:06 * 5741-A07 (C) COPYRIGHT IBM CORP. 1983, 2009. ALL RIGHTS
*

17:37:06 * RESERVED. US GOVERNMENT USERS RESTRICTED RIGHTS - USE,
*

17:37:06 * DUPLICATION OR DISCLOSURE RESTRICTED BY GSA ADP SCHEDULE
*

17:37:06 * CONTRACT WITH IBM CORP.
*

17:37:06 *
*

17:37:06 * * TRADEMARK OF INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS MACHINES.
*

17:37:06


17:37:06


17:37:06 HCPZCO6718I Using parm disk 1 on volume 610RES (device 06F8).


17:37:06 HCPZCO6718I Parm disk resides on cylinders 39 through 158.


17:37:06 Start ((Warm|Force|COLD|CLEAN) (DRain) (DIsable)  (NODIRect)


17:37:06   (NOAUTOlog)) or (SHUTDOWN)


H HCPSED6013A A CP read is pending.


 

VMTEST:

16:34:59 z/VM  V5 R4.0  SERVICE LEVEL 1003 (64-BIT)


 16:35:00 SYSTEM NUCLEUS CREATED ON 2011-03-31 AT 08:03:20, LOADED FROM
54BRES

16:35:00


16:35:00
 

16:35:00 * LICENSED MATERIALS - PROPERTY OF IBM*
* 

16:35:00 *
* 

16:35:00 * 5741-A05 (C) COPYRIGHT IBM CORP. 1983, 2008. ALL RIGHTS
* 

16:35:00 * RESERVED. US GOVERNMENT USERS RESTRICTED RIGHTS - USE,
* 

16:35:00 * DUPLICATION OR DISCLOSURE RESTRICTED BY GSA ADP SCHEDULE
* 

16:35:00 * CONTRACT WITH IBM CORP.
* 

16:35:00 *
* 

16:35:00 * * TRADEMARK OF INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS MACHINES.
* 

16:35:00
 

16:35:00


 16:35:00 HCPZCO6718I Using parm disk 1 on volume 54BRES (device 06F8).


 16:35:00 HCPZCO6718I Parm disk resides on cylinders 39 through 158.


 16:35:00 HCPZPQ6809E This processor does not support dynamic I/O
changes 

16:35:00 Start ((Warm|Force|COLD|CLEAN) (DRain) (DIsable)  (NODIRect)


16:35:00   (NOAUTOlog)) or (SHUTDOWN)


16:35:36 WARM DR NOAUTO


16:35:36 NOW 16:35:36 CDT MONDAY 2011-06-20


16:35:36 Change TOD clock (Yes|No)


 

 

Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.

 

 



From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On
Behalf Of Kris Buelens
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 8:12 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Problems at DR test

 

You z/VM system didn't find a 3270 console, so it is using the System
console  As you run second level, you an respond to VM questions using
   #CP VINPUT VMSG 
To make it easier:
before you IPL, issue
   CP Q V CONS
   note the address, often 009
   CP TERM CONMODE 3270
   CP IPL  LOADPARM CONS=
( is the disk your VM resident is on;  is the address you found
in Q V CONS)

2011/6/20 Frank M. Ramaekers framaek...@ailife.com

I'm attempting to bring up our VM system under 2nd level at the DR site.
The problem that I'm running into is:

 

08:58:10 HCPZCO6718I Using parm disk 1 on volume 610RES (device 06F8)

08:58:10 HCPZCO6718I Parm disk resides on cylinders 39 through 158.  

08:58:10 Start ((Warm|Force|COLD|CLEAN) (DRain) (DIsable)  (NODIRect)

08:58:10   (NOAUTOlog)) or (SHUTDOWN)

H HCPSED6013A A CP read is pending.  

 

The HCPSED6013A seems to be the problem.  At our site, I have two VMs
that I can IPL under our z/VM 5.4.   One will IPL just fine (i.e. no
HCPSED6013A) the other doesn't' and displays this message.  Both VMs are
configured (DIRECT) the same.  I'm at a loss as to why this happens with
one and not the other.

 

We had no problems during the last DR, but we've applied z/VM 5.4
maintenance since