Re: downloading CMS files
Yes, the free version was for educational and personal use. But it can no longer be installed, at the the last LE version can't. It phones home and you get a screen that suggests you buy WS_FTP Home. /Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 45 years mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://zvm.sru.edu/~fjh +1.724.738.2153 Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock -- On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:03:26 -0400 Higgins, Neil S said: I think the free version of WS-FTP is only free for non-commercial use. There are plenty of freeware FTP tools for the desktop.
Re: downloading CMS files
Try downloading SmartFTP. Much better then WS-ftp... Fran Hensler [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/22/2008 5:32 PM Yes, the free version was for educational and personal use. But it can no longer be installed, at the the last LE version can't. It phones home and you get a screen that suggests you buy WS_FTP Home. /Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 45 years mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://zvm.sru.edu/~fjh +1.724.738.2153 Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock -- On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:03:26 -0400 Higgins, Neil S said: I think the free version of WS-FTP is only free for non-commercial use. There are plenty of freeware FTP tools for the desktop. _ LEGAL NOTICE Unless expressly stated otherwise, this message is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. Access to this E-mail by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not an addressee, any disclosure or copying of the contents of this E-mail or any action taken (or not taken) in reliance on it is unauthorized and may be unlawful. If you are not an addressee, please inform the sender immediately, then delete this message and empty from your trash.
Re: downloading CMS files
You can also get a free secure FTP program from BlueZone. Just go to - www.bluezonesoftware.com/products and download their secure FTP program. It really works great. I've been using it for years for both z/OS and z/VM file transfers. HITACHI DATA SYSTEMS Raymond E. Noal Senior Technical Engineer Office: (408) 970 - 7978 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Rifkind Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 2:37 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: downloading CMS files Try downloading SmartFTP. Much better then WS-FTP... Fran Hensler [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/22/2008 5:32 PM Yes, the free version was for educational and personal use. But it can no longer be installed, at the the last LE version can't. It phones home and you get a screen that suggests you buy WS_FTP Home. /Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 45 years mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://zvm.sru.edu/~fjh +1.724.738.2153 Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock -- On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:03:26 -0400 Higgins, Neil S said: I think the free version of WS-FTP is only free for non-commercial use. There are plenty of freeware FTP tools for the desktop. _ LEGAL NOTICE Unless expressly stated otherwise, this message is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. Access to this E-mail by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not an addressee, any disclosure or copying of the contents of this E-mail or any action taken (or not taken) in reliance on it is unauthorized and may be unlawful. If you are not an addressee, please inform the sender immediately, then delete this message and empty from your trash.
Re: downloading CMS files
I think the free version of WS-FTP is only free for non-commercial use. There are plenty of freeware FTP tools for the desktop. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Greenberg Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 12:19 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: downloading CMS files On: Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 06:50:36AM -0700,Wakser, David Wrote: } If VM is running FTP, then use an FTP client (like WS-FTP). There are } plenty available for little or nothing. I agree about using FTP, but no need to install WS_FTP for a one time thing. If you are using windows, there is a built in linemode FTP client. Open a cmd window and say ftp your.vm.node, sign in, mget * exec. Preceed the mget with a cd to the mdisk/directory if the files are not on your A disk. Once you get ftp open, a help command will give a list of commands. help commandname will give a bit more. I don't know if there is an FTP client in macs. On the other hand, if you are going to do a moderate (FSVO moderate) amount of FTP, WS_FTP le is free and a good choice. More than moderate, spend the bux and get WS_FTP Pro. -- Rich Greenberg N Ft Myers, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 239 543 1353 Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself my dogs only.VM'er since CP-67 Canines:Val, Red, Shasta Casey (RIP), Red Zero, Siberians Owner:Chinook-L Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L
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FTP .. ? I saw some sample execs in one of the IBM TCP/IP books. I remember modifying and using them and using them a while back, but can't seem to find them now. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of McMahon, Frank Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 8:44 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: downloading CMS files I am looking for an easy way to download a number of CMS execs from my A-disk to my PC. IND$FILE works OK for 1-at-a-time downloads but I am trying to find a shortcut to be able to set up a list of exec names and download them all at once. I would greatly appreciate any recommendations. Frank McMahon
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Frank, what 3270 emulator program are you using? I use IBM's PCOMM for Windows (V 5.8) here, and it allows me to specify a a list of CMS files to be downloaded, all in one go. McMahon, Frank wrote: I am looking for an easy way to download a number of CMS execs from my A-disk to my PC. IND$FILE works OK for 1-at-a-time downloads but I am trying to find a shortcut to be able to set up a list of exec names and download them all at once. I would greatly appreciate any recommendations. Frank McMahon -- DJ V/Soft z/VM and mainframe Linux expertise, training, consulting, and software development www.vsoft-software.com
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FTP and mget? (need FTPSERVE running) - NFS? (need VMNFS running) Scott Rohling On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 7:43 AM, McMahon, Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking for an easy way to download a number of CMS execs from my A-disk to my PC. IND$FILE works OK for 1-at-a-time downloads but I am trying to find a shortcut to be able to set up a list of exec names and download them all at once. I would greatly appreciate any recommendations. Frank McMahon
Re: downloading CMS files
If VM is running FTP, then use an FTP client (like WS-FTP). There are plenty available for little or nothing. David Wakser From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McMahon, Frank Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 9:44 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: downloading CMS files I am looking for an easy way to download a number of CMS execs from my A-disk to my PC. IND$FILE works OK for 1-at-a-time downloads but I am trying to find a shortcut to be able to set up a list of exec names and download them all at once. I would greatly appreciate any recommendations. Frank McMahon
Re: downloading CMS files
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 3:43 PM, McMahon, Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In addition to the FTP and NFS suggestions, another idea might be to make it all in a VMARC file and use the Windows VMA utility to unravel it. -Rob
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Using VMARC as the additional advantage that the CMS timestamps will be preserved 2008/7/18 Rob van der Heij [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 3:43 PM, McMahon, Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In addition to the FTP and NFS suggestions, another idea might be to make it all in a VMARC file and use the Windows VMA utility to unravel it. -Rob -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
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On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Kris Buelens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using VMARC as the additional advantage that the CMS timestamps will be preserved If you have the right version of VMARC - :-) Somehow we kept finding a version that would unpack the files with 1900 date (could keep user with FILELIST searching) Rob
Re: downloading CMS files
All the suggestions so far are good. PCOMM allows selecting multiple files at once. FTP with the mget command also is good. If you want a more GUI interface instead of issuing FTP commands from the command line you can get things like FileZilla or FTP Commander that make it easier to use FTP. I often use FileZilla myself and like it. Roger Bolan The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 07/18/2008 07:43:40 AM: I am looking for an easy way to download a number of CMS execs from my A-disk to my PC. IND$FILE works OK for 1-at-a-time downloads but I am trying to find a shortcut to be able to set up a list of exec names and download them all at once. I would greatly appreciate any recommendations. Frank McMahon
Re: downloading CMS files
Wrap them up in a VMARC file, download that (as binary), then crack it open with the Windows VMARC utility. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 9:43 AM, McMahon, Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking for an easy way to download a number of CMS execs from my A-disk to my PC. IND$FILE works OK for 1-at-a-time downloads but I am trying to find a shortcut to be able to set up a list of exec names and download them all at once. I would greatly appreciate any recommendations. Frank McMahon -- -- R;
Re: downloading CMS files
Slightly off topic,. At one time, IBM offered a utility called ACPM with the OS/2 version of PCOMM. This utility was a very nice Presentation Manager (PM) interface to the ALMCOPY file upload/download program. ALMCOPY had a ton of very useful features, and was *fast*; it was developed at the IBM Almaden Labs, hence the name ALMCOPY. It woulkd be nice if IBM could come up with a Windows version.. Richard Troth wrote: Wrap them up in a VMARC file, download that (as binary), then crack it open with the Windows VMARC utility. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 9:43 AM, McMahon, Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking for an easy way to download a number of CMS execs from my A-disk to my PC. IND$FILE works OK for 1-at-a-time downloads but I am trying to find a shortcut to be able to set up a list of exec names and download them all at once. I would greatly appreciate any recommendations. Frank McMahon -- DJ V/Soft z/VM and mainframe Linux expertise, training, consulting, and software development www.vsoft-software.com
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In addition to the excellent suggestions that you have received so far, ( I like and use FileZilla myself), you can also use Winders built in FTP client to download CMS files to your PC. You can use the client interactively, (via a CMD window), or in batch mode. I have used batch mode to download several files at once. It also allows you to rerun the downloads, (or uploads), as often as you want. To run it in batch mode, you need to create two files on your PC, a txt file and a bat file. The txt file can be named whatever you want and should look something like this: (PC name = getvm.txt) open your.vm.system userid password prompt lcd c:\tempftp ascii get cmsfn.cmsft pcfn.pcft get cmsfn2.cmsft pcfn2.pcft quit Update as appropriate for your system. The bat file needs to look something like this: (PC name = getvm.bat ftp -s:getvm.txt pause It obviously needs to reference the previously created txt file. Then from windows explorer, just double click on the getvm.bat file and it wil l magically connect to your VM system and download the specified files! :-) (The pause command will leave the CMD window open until you press the enter key so you can see the FTP messages.) Dale R. Smith Always be wary of any helpful item that weighs less than its operating manual. - Terry Pratchett On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:43:40 -0400, McMahon, Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking for an easy way to download a number of CMS execs from my A-disk to my PC. IND$FILE works OK for 1-at-a-time downloads but I am trying to find a shortcut to be able to set up a list of exec names and download them all at once. I would greatly appreciate any recommendations. Frank McMahon
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I have a similar script that runs daily. I found that I had to add the -n switch to keep from being prompted for the password. This might be due to differences in the FTP client code. My command looks like this: ftp -n -s:getvm.txt vmsys where vmsys is the IP address or name of the VM system. With the vmsys added to the FTP command, you do not need the open command in the file. Regards, Richard Schuh open your.vm.system userid password prompt lcd c:\tempftp ascii get cmsfn.cmsft pcfn.pcft get cmsfn2.cmsft pcfn2.pcft quit Update as appropriate for your system. The bat file needs to look something like this: (PC name = getvm.bat ftp -s:getvm.txt pause
Re: downloading CMS files
On: Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 06:50:36AM -0700,Wakser, David Wrote: } If VM is running FTP, then use an FTP client (like WS-FTP). There are } plenty available for little or nothing. I agree about using FTP, but no need to install WS_FTP for a one time thing. If you are using windows, there is a built in linemode FTP client. Open a cmd window and say ftp your.vm.node, sign in, mget * exec. Preceed the mget with a cd to the mdisk/directory if the files are not on your A disk. Once you get ftp open, a help command will give a list of commands. help commandname will give a bit more. I don't know if there is an FTP client in macs. On the other hand, if you are going to do a moderate (FSVO moderate) amount of FTP, WS_FTP le is free and a good choice. More than moderate, spend the bux and get WS_FTP Pro. -- Rich Greenberg N Ft Myers, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 239 543 1353 Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself my dogs only.VM'er since CP-67 Canines:Val, Red, Shasta Casey (RIP), Red Zero, Siberians Owner:Chinook-L Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L
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Actually, I've got a copy of a Windows version. But is has quite some restrictions: *ALMCOPY for Personal Communications for Windows 95/NT* *-* *This is an untested, experimental copy of ALMCOPY for 32-bit Windows* *platforms (Windows 95, Windows NT 3.51/4.0).* *This program is for IBM INTERNAL USE ONLY. It should not be supplied* *to external customers without the approval of PComm Development.* *This version of ALMCOPY should behave the same as ALMCOPY for OS/2 -- it* *supports all the same command-line parameters and options. The* *following is a list of known limitations/bugs:* * 1. No support for long PC file names* * 2. Pressing Ctrl-C during a transfer may not always work* * 3. IP connections may require a reduction of the PComm* * buffer size to less than 8000.* But, it does preserve timestamps... I used ALMCOPY (under OS/2) a lot at my customer's installation until begin July. 2008/7/18 Dave Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Slightly off topic,. At one time, IBM offered a utility called ACPM with the OS/2 version of PCOMM. This utility was a very nice Presentation Manager (PM) interface to the ALMCOPY file upload/download program. ALMCOPY had a ton of very useful features, and was *fast*; it was developed at the IBM Almaden Labs, hence the name ALMCOPY. It woulkd be nice if IBM could come up with a Windows version.. Richard Troth wrote: Wrap them up in a VMARC file, download that (as binary), then crack it open with the Windows VMARC utility. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 9:43 AM, McMahon, Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking for an easy way to download a number of CMS execs from my A-disk to my PC. IND$FILE works OK for 1-at-a-time downloads but I am trying to find a shortcut to be able to set up a list of exec names and download them all at once. I would greatly appreciate any recommendations. Frank McMahon -- DJ V/Soft z/VM and mainframe Linux expertise, training, consulting, and software development www.vsoft-software.com -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
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That's interesting, Kris. Perhaps IBM PCOMM development could be persuaded to support ALMCOPY under Windows XP/Vista/etc. Kris Buelens wrote: Actually, I've got a copy of a Windows version. But is has quite some restrictions: *ALMCOPY for Personal Communications for Windows 95/NT* *-* *This is an untested, experimental copy of ALMCOPY for 32-bit Windows* *platforms (Windows 95, Windows NT 3.51/4.0).* *This program is for IBM INTERNAL USE ONLY. It should not be supplied* *to external customers without the approval of PComm Development.* *This version of ALMCOPY should behave the same as ALMCOPY for OS/2 -- it* *supports all the same command-line parameters and options. The* *following is a list of known limitations/bugs:* * 1. No support for long PC file names* * 2. Pressing Ctrl-C during a transfer may not always work* * 3. IP connections may require a reduction of the PComm* * buffer size to less than 8000.* But, it does preserve timestamps... I used ALMCOPY (under OS/2) a lot at my customer's installation until begin July. 2008/7/18 Dave Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Slightly off topic,. At one time, IBM offered a utility called ACPM with the OS/2 version of PCOMM. This utility was a very nice Presentation Manager (PM) interface to the ALMCOPY file upload/download program. ALMCOPY had a ton of very useful features, and was *fast*; it was developed at the IBM Almaden Labs, hence the name ALMCOPY. It woulkd be nice if IBM could come up with a Windows version.. Richard Troth wrote: Wrap them up in a VMARC file, download that (as binary), then crack it open with the Windows VMARC utility. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 9:43 AM, McMahon, Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking for an easy way to download a number of CMS execs from my A-disk to my PC. IND$FILE works OK for 1-at-a-time downloads but I am trying to find a shortcut to be able to set up a list of exec names and download them all at once. I would greatly appreciate any recommendations. Frank McMahon -- DJ V/Soft z/VM and mainframe Linux expertise, training, consulting, and software development www.vsoft-software.com -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support -- DJ V/Soft z/VM and mainframe Linux expertise, training, consulting, and software development www.vsoft-software.com
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On Jul 18, 2008, at 11:19 AM, Rich Greenberg wrote: I don't know if there is an FTP client in macs. If you open a Terminal window, there's good old command line FTP. There are also about a zillion free graphical clients of all sorts. Adam
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On Friday, 07/18/2008 at 12:52 EDT, Kris Buelens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ALMCOPY for Personal Communications for Windows 95/NT This program is for IBM INTERNAL USE ONLY. It should not be supplied to external customers without the approval of PComm Development. Well, that's a somewhat fatal prohibition, eh? And if memory serves, it was really designed to work with PCOMM, with dependencies on DDM and auxilliary devices. I think it would be unlikely to work with non-commerical emulators. Query Reply Structured Fields on PCOMM 5.9: 81 Usable area A6 Implicit partition 86 Color 87 Highlight 88 Reply modes A8 Transparency 99 Auxiliary device (AUXDA) 85 Character sets 95 Distributed Data Management (DDM) 95 Distributed Data Management (DDM) - PCLK 9E IBM Auxiliary device - Display 9E IBM Auxiliary device - Hard-copy PCSWGPRT 80 Summary Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
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Since PCOMM is one of the few extras that my client has chosen to buy, I am happy to live with THAT requirement for the availability of ALMCOPY. I f it were provided only with a refresh of PCOMM (at whatever the next maintenance level might be), that's fine. I would not expect the PCOMM developers to develop extra utilities for other vendor's terminal emulation programs. If I have to use the free x3270, I will just have to live with the limited features of IND$FILE. Bu t extra features for PCOMM are more than welcome. /Tom Kern On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:13:50 -0400, Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday, 07/18/2008 at 12:52 EDT, Kris Buelens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ALMCOPY for Personal Communications for Windows 95/NT This program is for IBM INTERNAL USE ONLY. It should not be supplied to external customers without the approval of PComm Development. Well, that's a somewhat fatal prohibition, eh? And if memory serves, it was really designed to work with PCOMM, with dependencies on DDM and auxilliary devices. I think it would be unlikely to work with non-commerical emulators. Query Reply Structured Fields on PCOMM 5.9: 81 Usable area A6 Implicit partition 86 Color 87 Highlight 88 Reply modes A8 Transparency 99 Auxiliary device (AUXDA) 85 Character sets 95 Distributed Data Management (DDM) 95 Distributed Data Management (DDM) - PCLK 9E IBM Auxiliary device - Display 9E IBM Auxiliary device - Hard-copy PCSWGPRT 80 Summary Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott =
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On Friday, 07/18/2008 at 01:45 EDT, Thomas Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since PCOMM is one of the few extras that my client has chosen to buy, I am happy to live with THAT requirement for the availability of ALMCOPY. I f it were provided only with a refresh of PCOMM (at whatever the next maintenance level might be), that's fine. I would not expect the PCOMM developers to develop extra utilities for other vendor's terminal emulation programs. If I have to use the free x3270, I will just have to live with the limited features of IND$FILE. Bu t extra features for PCOMM are more than welcome. Then I would suggest opening requirements against PCOMM to supply such a utility. (They currently supply ZipPrint and CMMOUSE.) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
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I would if I had any real knowledge of that utility, but it is one of those super-secret IBM internal-only things that us run-of-the-mill customers are unaware of. /Tom Kern On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:03:41 -0400, Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then I would suggest opening requirements against PCOMM to supply such a utility. (They currently supply ZipPrint and CMMOUSE.) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
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Hi, Tom. At least on the OS/2 side of things, ALMCOPY and ACPM are (were?) not secretthey were provided as part of the normal PCOMM version for OS/2. I suspect that a requirement to IBM PCOMM development that simply asks may we please have ALMCOPY and ACPM functionality on Windows? would suffice Thomas Kern wrote: I would if I had any real knowledge of that utility, but it is one of those super-secret IBM internal-only things that us run-of-the-mill customers are unaware of. /Tom Kern On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:03:41 -0400, Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then I would suggest opening requirements against PCOMM to supply such a utility. (They currently supply ZipPrint and CMMOUSE.) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- DJ V/Soft z/VM and mainframe Linux expertise, training, consulting, and software development www.vsoft-software.com
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I suspect there are several of us still around who used and appreciated the OS/2 version (I find I still have some of the CMS files). So even without knowledge that there's an internal Windows-compatible version... I would if I had any real knowledge of that utility, but it is one of those super-secret IBM internal-only things that us run-of-the-mill customers are unaware of. /Tom Kern On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:03:41 -0400, Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then I would suggest opening requirements against PCOMM to supply such a utility. (They currently supply ZipPrint and CMMOUSE.) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
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On Friday, 07/18/2008 at 02:16 EDT, Thomas Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would if I had any real knowledge of that utility, but it is one of those super-secret IBM internal-only things that us run-of-the-mill customers are unaware of. If you are referring to the requirements management tool we use, don't worry about. Open a PMR with PCOMM and tell them that you can't find the documentation on how to perform a host-initiated file transfer. Assuming they don't have an answer for you, tell them you want to open a requirement. But remember not to ask for ALMCOPY. Ask for a host command that will initiate a file transfer between the host and the workstation. (IND$FILE requires the workstation to initiate the transfer.) You want the ability to transfer the file in binary and as text. For text transfers you would like the file to be translated according to the current codepage settings of the emulator to avoid having to supply options. You get the idea. Feel free to reference ALMCOPY as an example since they will know what that is. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
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Assuming they don't have an answer for you, tell them you want to open a requirement. Submitted as WAVV requirement WRIBDB02.
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Thanks, Dave. Thanks, Dave. Once for each requirement. /Tom Kern On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:56:22 -0400, David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Assuming they don't have an answer for you, tell them you want to open a requirement. Submitted as WAVV requirement WRIBDB02.
