RE: [IceHorses] Huginn is Very Sick
PLEASE...please send my cute little pony your prayers, thought, bright healing light and love. We sure do need it. You both have our thoughts and prayers, Raven. I'm so sorry. Please keep us informed if you get a minute here and there. We'll be rooting for you both. Karen Thomas, NC
RE: [IceHorses] Dagur is on his way
I am so excited. My new Dagur is on his way. He left WA this morning at 8:30. Yipee. How exciting! We'll need pictures! Karen Thomas, NC
RE: [IceHorses] Reverse Psychology
Heh...heh...we've finally outsmarted him. Yes, I think he's realized who the boss is around here. Sadly...it's not us. Cute stories, Wanda. Buck got out once last summer while he was living in the mare herd - I'm sure one (or more) of the mares herd got tired of his Don Juan attitude and ran him out. Anyway, I went out to the barn early one morning, and noticed that Buck was running the fence in the distance - what was up with that? Then I saw why - he was on the outside of the pasture, in the hay field. I saw his head come up the moment he saw me - I could just imagine him standing up as straight as he could, waving his arms (ok I'm imagining) frantically, like the guy who's been marooned on the island for ages. My first thought was to hurry and get a halter and go catch him, but I realized he wasn't going anywhere, and had probably been out all night. So, while I was there I went ahead to feed...and Buck's head came up and his arms were waving (metaphorically) more wildly than at first - HEY I'M OVER HERE - CAN'T YOU SEE ME? Gilligan just knew his rescue plane was going to leave the island without him. So, on a hunch, I just called, Come on, Buck, come AROUND the pasture. He stopped dead, seemed to think about it...and then he DID! I watched him trot around the pasture (about 18 acres total), and come around to the front of the barn, and on inside. I just opened a stall door, then the outside stall door that leads to the pasture, and he went on out, very happy to be back with the ladies. He's a smart little cuss...and quite the ladies' man too. He was in the HAY FIELD of all places, the lushest grass we have...and he wanted back in the 10 acre dry lot with the girls! Karen Thomas, NC
RE: [IceHorses] Match making OT
Brian has been everywhere except NC. Perhaps they could buy that farm next to Anneliese I could come visit the newlyweds and sit around in my wine stained bathrobe... wouldn't that be lovely? Visit...? Heck, let's just move in with them - I'm sure they won't mind! The farm I'm thinking of is 90 acres - they won't even notice us with that much room, and we'll just go hang out with Anneliese and drive her nuts all day. How old is Brian again? Emily just turned 27 - she's two weeks younger than her horse, Thunder. Be thinking about what (who?) you'd expect as a dowry. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Huginn is Very Sick
Sending many healing thoughts and prayers to you and Huggin...so sorry to hear about this. Trish
Re: [IceHorses] Huginn is Very Sick
Sending all of those things to you and Huggin. I am so sorry and can understand on some level. Hunter spent a week in hospital right after I bought him. He was one very sick horse, but he did have a nice recovery. I'm hoping Huggin will too. Will you keep us posted? Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Huginn is Very Sick
Good idea Judy - I printed Huggin Raven's picture for the refrigerator door. For us, it's prayer, and nothing gets much more attention here than the refrigerator door. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Huginn is Very Sick
Hi Raven, I'm so very sorry to hear about Huginn's illness. How scary! I'm sending healing energy and prayers to you both! Hugs, Mary, Stormur, Krafla and Tibra
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Re: [IceHorses] Huginn is Very Sick
PLEASE...please send my cute little pony your prayers, thought, bright healing light and love. We sure do need it. THANK YOU Raven Sure will Raven. I know he gets the best care in the world with you and he'll pull through and be back on the trails in no time. Cherie
Re: [IceHorses] Re:a good helmet?
The women in customer service at Dover are great clued me in to the different head shapes fit in the different brands. This is the key, Janice - head shape. I really like my Tipperary but Karen, who has a rounder head, doesn't like it as well as others. I was lucky being at Equine Affaire in April because I could try on every kind of helmet made (and did) and was able to find the one that fit me best. I have a long head from forhead to the crown and usually have to wear a man size hat - most helmets look like a huge bowling ball on my head. The Tipperary was the best for me. -- Laree
Re: [IceHorses] Reverse Psychology
On 28/06/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He's a smart little cuss...and quite the ladies' man too. He was in the HAY FIELD of all places, the lushest grass we have...and he wanted back in the 10 acre dry lot with the girls! Peppy is the same way. I told Cara last night that buying him was the best $75 worth of entertainment anywhere. His favorite spot is to graze on the lawn while we're in the kitchen. I think he likes listening to us talk about our day. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Match making OT
On 6/27/07, Bia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well you guys, I met my fiance on Equestrian Singles... yeah I did meet a bunch of jerks too but he is really wonderful. That's the one I was trying to think of - it sounded like a great group - I would definitely look into it if I was younger and single. There were people interviewed (this was a radio interview) who not only had met someone special through the site but had also made many friends through the site. They have activities and it just sounded like a great way to meet folks with similiar interest. As with any people interaction - you just have to sort through the keepers and the tosses. -- Laree
Re: [IceHorses] Match making OT
On 28/06/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Visit...? Heck, let's just move in with them - I'm sure they won't mind! The farm I'm thinking of is 90 acres - they won't even notice us with that much room, and we'll just go hang out with Anneliese and drive her nuts all day. How old is Brian again? Emily just turned 27 - she's two weeks younger than her horse, Thunder. Right...moving in. A much better optionbut I could only live there in the winter I'm afraid. Your summers would have me hiding in the basement by the freezer. He was 25 on January 1. Be thinking about what (who?) you'd expect as a dowry. Ah yesthe dowry (wiggling fingers). This is getting better all the time. Wanda
[IceHorses] Yahoo Photos
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RE: [IceHorses] Match making OT
Right...moving in. A much better optionbut I could only live there in the winter I'm afraid. Your summers would have me hiding in the basement by the freezer. Wait! We were talking about the farm in KY near Anneliese, remember? Yes, it's warm there too, but one of the farms is on the top of a ridge, and KY is already several degrees cooler than NC. I would consider buying one of the farms for a summer place - in fact, we did consider one of them. Oh, for the day when I win the lottery! Karen Thomas, NC
RE: [IceHorses] Dark horses
My black mare Kveikja enjoying the arena in Felton CA The red around her barrel is where she was not clipped this last winter. Wow. Who says that black is boring? That's a flashy mare. Nice trot. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Re: snaffle bits
Sandy, You could very well be right. I didn't mean that you shouldn't check the headsatll too. I'm having trouble getting Yrsa's adjusted right. Her head is a lot smaller than Tosca's. The bit will drop down in their mouth if your headstall is too long and also if the bit is too wide. I hate when it that happens because I want them to be happy in the bit from the very first time. And I did have to adjust Yrsa'a after it was on the other night - not my favorite way of doing it. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Meeting or Exceeding the Standard
On Tue, Jun 26, 2007 at 07:03:47PM -0700, Judy Ryder wrote: Who will be the first Icelandic trainer to step out of the mold, ride barefoot, treeless, bitless, nosebandless, whipless, bootless, centered, and with a strawberry of contact on the reins to show a naturally gaited Icelandic Horse? well, if i end up riding stjarni in tunbridge, we will be: . barefoot (in back at least; we're working on the fronts) . treeless (if my sensation has arrived by then) . nosebandless (sure, why not? his noseband is a caveson and merely decorative) . whipless (probably? i use it for lateral work, but i don't think there's any of that asked for) . bootless (*i* wear boots; he only does if kept in a stall overnight, as he tends to stock up if cooped in) . centered (as best i am able) . with a strawberry of contact (as best i am able) ...in whatever division we end up in --vicka (whom many of you consider a damn fool regardless :)
Re: [IceHorses] Dark horses
She is gorgeous! Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Meeting or Exceeding the Standard
well, if i end up riding stjarni in tunbridge, we will be: . barefoot (in back at least; we're working on the fronts) . treeless (if my sensation has arrived by then) . nosebandless (sure, why not? his noseband is a caveson and merely decorative) . whipless (probably? i use it for lateral work, but i don't think there's any of that asked for) . bootless (*i* wear boots; he only does if kept in a stall overnight, as he tends to stock up if cooped in) . centered (as best i am able) . with a strawberry of contact (as best i am able) That's great, Vicka. I will be interested to see if you get any advice on how to improve by adding more stuff or if the response is mostly just true learning interet. It will also be interesting to see if others will be there with the same ideas - let us know. -- Laree
Re: [IceHorses] Huginn is Very Sick
PLEASE...please send my cute little pony your prayers, thought, bright healing light and love. We sure do need it. My prayers are with you. Happy Trails from Lori Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow
RE: [IceHorses] Dagur is on his way
How exciting! We'll need pictures! I will try to send them as soon as I can. Happy Trails from Lori Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow
Re: [IceHorses] Escalating Behaviors / Listen To Your Horse
That is so weird! I don't get pictures--I've just been getting feelings so maybe it's just me. feelings are good! and come more frequent I think.-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Meeting or Exceeding the Standard
I don't think we should give people a false impression that shoes are a bad thing. Sometimes a horse needs shoes depending on feet/terrain. I have shoes on my Jaspar just in front right now, ordinarily a sign locally among walking horse people that the horse is weighted to alter gait because there's really no reason a horse needs shoes at all in our sandy terrain. HOWEVER my Jaspar has some bad feet since a recent case of thrush and will be wearing shoes on the front only for a couple more cycles. Just wanted to clarify no one thinks shoes per se are a BAD thing, least I dont! Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Match making OT
well you know how iffy these things are... one time my daughter dated the most perfect guy. It got really far along and they went on a weeklong trip together. Came back, broke up. I asked why... she said he has weak arms. And this is a guy i mean he was handsome, made a nice living, polite, mannerly, a perfect gentleman,. I said for godssakes you cant overlook some weak arms? And my husband says what are weak arms anyway does he have a disability?? She said aaahhh i dont know just something about his arms looks weak. sooo. I think we have two excellent candidates here, very handsome guys, seemingly great matches... but honestly she is the worst control freak on the planet, driving people nuts, drives me nuts with stuff like didnt you say we were going to swim? If we are going to swim we need to start by 5:17, swim for an hour at most, be back by at least 6:30, tell Donny to have the grill ready by 6:15... and I am like sheesh we are on freakin vacation already!! So much goes into a relationship. Her matchmaker ad should say very cute short hardworking workaholic cardiac nurse, extreme control freak who can never just lay around without a thought, also interrupts all movies to ask a thousand times what did she say?? What did he say?? No wonder she's 35 and single... Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] Questions re: possible purchase
I was wondering if any of you have had any contact or know a mare named Soley aka: Saga California Panda. she is a buckskin, 8 years old currently in Vacaville CA. i might be going to look at her this weekend. Thanks for your help Maggie PS, even tho i don't have an icelandic yet, i love this group, what a great bunch of people:) my prayers are with Huginn
Re: [IceHorses] Meeting or Exceeding the Standard
I don't think we should give people a false impression that shoes are a bad thing. Sometimes a horse needs shoes depending on feet/terrain. Yes, we agree that there are times that shoes are necessary. There are three good reasons for using shoes: [] Protection [] Traction [] Therapeutic When we're talking about evaluations, it's on a groomed track right? No need for shoes. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Weight-Carrying Ability
The subject of the weight-carrying ability of Icelandic Horses has come up on the treeless list. Here's some info on weight-carrying ability: http://iceryder.net/weight.html Not all Icelandic Horses can carry weights well or for long periods. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Re: Is it OK sometimes?
Thinking about the discussions of some of the abusive treatments of the Icelandic Horses in the show world... It doesn't seem likely that a trainer would do the show thing and then treat his own horses differently. Maybe the novice owners, and maybe the trainers don't recognize that it's abusive, but restricting a horse's air, yanking on their mouths, and using bits that the horses object to, can't be called anything else. Remember the video of the guy in Iceland beating his horse? What about the abuses in the Icelandic show world mentioned above? Are they even red-carded? Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Variable or 1:1 Reinforcement
Here's a good thread on the ClickRyder list about variable or 1:1 ratio of reinforcements: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ClickRyder/message/67829 Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Mounting sequence
On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at 05:35:01PM -0300, Virginia Tupper wrote: Soon after I mount Orri he walks off--I've been circling him to a stop when he does that because I want him to stand still. My coach says not to keep him standing long. Do you think a treat would help, and does it matter how long I have him stand. nota bene, stjarni is twelve and came to me well-trained, so i'm not sure how this would play out with another horse. stjarni recently tried walking off as i was mounting or right after. i decided that unless he stood still, i would get right off again and we would repeat the process. once he was standing while i mounted and waited long enough for me to be happy (i started with a count of three, moved up to long enough for me to fiddle with my gloves and feel organized) i'd give him a treat. (not all the time. it's better to be a slot machine than a vending machine, you want them to keep playing :) one important thing was to make sure i didn't inadvertently cue him to walk on with my seat or legs while i mounted or immediately thereafter -- at that point it's my fault, not his... --vicka
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Is it OK sometimes?
Remember the video of the guy in Iceland beating his horse? What about the abuses in the Icelandic show world mentioned above? Are they even red-carded? No, there's no punishment...they win or score highly...and/or they are in demand to ride horses in evaluations. I think there's plenty to find wrong in any show environment, but I have to say, when Emily was showing hunters and dressage, most of the kids she showed with had nice quiet hands, and didn't use ungodly pressure or make rude, abrupt movements. And when we did see something undesirable like that, the kids almost never placed, and sometimes would even get reprimanded. But mostly, we just didn't see much of it. I can't remember ever seeing a hunter or dressage class entrant whose horse was so obviously fighting the bit during the whole class -possibly for a moment during a spook or during a jump refusal, but not during a whole class. It's a given that sort of reaction from horse means that there's a big problem and the horse and rider has no business in a show ring until it's addressed. Of course I can't say exactly how these kids schooled their horses, but they knew better than ride rough in public. If this rough riding weren't tolerated and even rewarded at Icelandic shows, I just betcha it would go away quickly. So... where ARE the judges looking while these nosebands are so tight, the mouths are gaping, and the horses are swishing their tails and bobbing their heads in discomfort? Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] (704) 516-3179
Re: [IceHorses] Match making OT
Right...moving in. A much better optionbut I could only live there in the winter I'm afraid. Your summers would have me hiding in the basement by the freezer. It's not that bad, Wanda, as long as you have a pool and the 128-acre place does and we do too! Anneliese
Re: [IceHorses] Match making OT
I've always wanted to be a mother-in-law...but it doesn't look like it's happening any time soon. Wanda Me too, in the worst way! Wanda, at least you have a daughter whereas I don't. And that farm should be bought by someone who has Icelandics. The one on top of the hill has a lovely micro-climate, no extremes in contrast to what we have here in the valley. Should I post some pictures? Anneliese
[IceHorses] Huginn is responding
From Debbie of gaitedhorse: Hi all, I talked to Raven and she said that Huginn is responding to the treatments, 2 done 1-3 more to go, Please keep sending energy or praying, which ever you believe in, it all helps... Raven sounds better this morning too... not as Scared... still vigilant, as we all would be... ONE day at a time... Since Huggin was in Great shape when it hit him, I think he will pull through this just fine with time, Meds, TLC and Raven's LOVE... -- Debbie in MN ~ I soar with the Eagles...as I float on the back of my barefoot gaited Morgan ~ Deb's Track system for 2 herds. http://picasaweb.google.com/dakota.charm/TrackForHorses Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Match making OT
Visit...? Heck, let's just move in with them - I'm sure they won't mind! The farm I'm thinking of is 90 acres - they won't even notice us with that much room, and we'll just go hang out with Anneliese and drive her nuts all day. How old is Brian again? Emily just turned 27 - she's two weeks younger than her horse, Thunder. Karen Thomas, NC The boys who inherited the 90-acre farm have not decided what to do with it yet. But the 128-acre place with the three-bedroom house is on the market. Anneliese
[IceHorses] Iceland and Tolkien
I dont know why i thought of this ... but in Lord of The Rings, Tolkien supposedly got the story ideas from icelandic mythology etc. When I googled Tivar's name it came up icelandic for mountain spirt etc, glorious being then lots of articles about Tolkien basing his ring trilogy, and that middle Earth was based on the lore of the Tivar, the mountain beings in icelandic mythology. So here is my question: How come in the movie they used Friesians and Andalusians with extra hair glued on instead of icelandic horses? Someone should start a protest :) Janice -- yipie tie yie yo -- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] What Gait / Show Video 1
Here's a couple of horses whose gaits are different: http://iceryder.net/theduff/videosgaitshowdm.html Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] snaffle bits
My Icelandic gelding hasn't been ridden very much. He's pretty cooperative, but when he chews his snaffle bit, I hear his teeth hit the bit. Does that indicate that the bit is the wrong size? Or what? It could be. What type of snaffle is he wearing? (double-jointed, single-jointed, straight bar, etc.) Where does it set in his mouth? How wide is it? Has he had his wolf teeth out? Do you have any pictures of him wearing it? Thanks! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Match making OT
Janice McDonald wrote: but honestly she is the worst control freak on the planet, driving people nuts, drives me nuts... I'll bet she's an excellent nurse then ;-) ...is she in the ICU? Trish
Re: [IceHorses] Iceland and Tolkien
How come in the movie they used Friesians and Andalusians with extra hair glued on instead of icelandic horses? Even without extra hair, Friesians and Andalusians do look slightly more elegant than Icelandics to the general movie-watching public. I love Deacon, but elegant is not a word I would use to describe him! :o) Perhaps they could have used more Icelandics in Hobbiton -Kristen in MI Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz
Re: [IceHorses] Iceland and Tolkien
Probably not enough Icelandics in New Zealand...:)
RE: [IceHorses] Huginn is responding
Great news! We're still hoping and praying for the best possible outcome. Karen Thomas, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[IceHorses] Hotmail Users
For those that are using hotmail, try using your Yahoo email account (it's free with your Yahoo ID), as it's easier to use plain text; Or you can try to switch to plain text in hotmail by going to this page and finding the hotmail settings: http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/PlainText.html Also, when replying to the list, remember that the quoted text goes *first* (quoted in brackets) and your response goes below the quoted text. Thanks! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Questions re: possible purchase
I was wondering if any of you have had any contact or know a mare named Soley aka: Saga California Panda. she is a buckskin, 8 years old currently in Vacaville CA. i might be going to look at her this weekend. She looks nice! I may have seen her as a youngster, but there were quite a few that looked like her. Has she already been started? What are you looking for in a horse? Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
RE: [IceHorses] Questions re: possible purchase
the current owner sent a photo-i will try to attach it... lets see if that goes thru. Well, she sure is pretty! Is this her? http://www.icelandics.org/search/detail.asp?ID=1737 If so, I own a half-brother. If you're interested, I can tell you a little about him...keeping in mind that they are only half-siblings, not clones, and even full brothers and sisters are often QUITE different - humans and horses. :) His gaits are quite natural and easy, no special riding required to get. He has the full range of gaits, including a nice trot, and a good canter. If she's broken to ride, hopefully you can see that quickly yourself. He's quite brave on the trail, but very quiet - doesn't care to get himself in a hurry, although he will move along. He's not particularly worried about being in the lead or at any particular position in the trail group, and is ok with lolly-gagging behind. But he is not goey horse. He's quiet, and not spooky. We came up on a big snake once, and the snake was almost under his nose by the time we saw it, just barely scurrying out of the way. He just perked up his ears, and never missed a stride. The most notable thing about him is that he's one of the most stoic sorts. He's quiet, and that doesn't appeal to everyone. He SEEMED to fit in as soon as he came here, but he lost weight for no apparent reason. After several months, the weight started coming back - he never seemed unhappy, but I think the moved stressed him a lot more than he let on. I do worry a little that if he'd had some rough treatment that it could have left a mark on him. He didn't, so he's pretty uncomplicated, just a bit of a quiet-but-very-dependable worrier. I mention the stoicism because I have a mare that's his cousin, and used to own a gelding that's their uncle...he had much the same stoic personality, but is also quite dependable about his job. It took him a little while to settle in here to, but he never let us down. I like all of these horses a lot, but I don't think they make good ATV's - not that any horse ever does. They are quiet, so it's easy enough to miss the signs they give, but they are quite expressive once you get to know them. And of course, I have no idea if these traits came from the father's side, the side he's related to this mare...or if she will be anything at all like him. But, maybe this will give you an idea of a couple of things to watch for... What do you want out of a horse, if you don't mind me asking...? Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Gaits Preference...canter..bucking..Thankyou!
-Original Message- From: IceHorses@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of wcobpony Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 10:35 PM To: IceHorses@yahoogroups.com Subject: [IceHorses] Re: Gaits Preference...canter..bucking..Thankyou! I am going to take her to the vet to get her teeth done. Here in Canada it is not legal to practice equine dentistry unless you are a Vet. That is not quite true. In British Columbia a non-veterinary equine dentist may practice his/her trade but may not administer drugs. There are some vets that do not like this but that is the current law. To my knowledge the BC lay dentist that was recently prosecuted was charged with administering drugs. While I am sure the Vet society went after him because he was performing dentistry the only was to get him was because of the drugs. In Alberta a lay dentist recently won a suit brought against him by the Alberta Veterinary Society where they charged him with Practicing Veterinary Medicine without a license strictly for the dental work he was doing. We are lucky that we have a vet that is a good dentist for regular floats and most normal procedures but for any specialized procedures arranges to have a lay equine dentist come out. The vet then tranquillizes the horses as required for the dentist. Phil Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
Re: [IceHorses] Iceland and Tolkien
On 6/28/07, Kristen Mikula [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even without extra hair, Friesians and Andalusians do look slightly more elegant than Icelandics to the general movie-watching public. this sounds funny considering it has bilbo baggins and frodo and gollum in there:) janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Questions re: possible purchase
she has been started-though there was a saddle issue and her current owner hasn't worked her through it yet-she has been riding her bareback since then. I grew up around horses and my family has some on the ranch-all of them are tallish and being shortish (5') I would love to have a horse my size. kind, gated, intelligent, inquisitive. I have loved their attitude since I was at a parelli trainer clinic just south of Paso Robles (in California) a few years ago, I fell in love before I even knew they were gated-all of them were very sweet and willing. well i have rambled quite enough, Maggie
Re: [IceHorses] Questions re: possible purchase
Hi: I believe I own the dam of this buckskin mare you are going to look at for possible purchase. I really like my mare, Elva from Saga California. I bought her several years ago as an older broodmare from Oregon. She was originally one of Elisabeth Haugs horses. She has never been broke to ride so can't tell you about gaits under saddle. She was 17 I think when I bought her so don't think I will ever try to ride her. She has a very sweet personality and a very good mother. She takes good care of her babies but still lets me play with them. All the foals she has had here have shown soft gaits but she has always been crossed with strongly gaited stallions. She is not buckskin even tho her registration labels her as such. I have had her DNA color typed because I doubted the buckskin and she tested with one black gene and one red gene, no agouti. She does have a clear dorsal stripe. I can send you pics of Elva if you would like. I would like a pic I could save of this mare if you could send it to me so I can save it. I like to keep records of all foals out of horses I own. This one is already grown so a big bonus. Denise in WV Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz
[IceHorses] 6/28 Quick Update - Huginn
Hello Everyone, First of all...THANK YOU so much for all your wonderful support, it means so much to us. Please keep it coming. This morning I took Huginn's temp before I fed him...it was 99.2 ~! The lowest it's been in a week. ~;9] Huginn was at my Vet's barn this morning at 6:45 for his IV. He also got some Bute to help with the pain he is experiencing. Huginn is still a bit off...looks tired, sore and depressed. I have hay and water all at his nose level, so he doesn't need to bend all the way long to eat drink. He is not really interested in hay, but he is eating his beet pulp mush. And gazing a bit on pasture grass. I took his temp when I got home from school at 3PM...it was 100.2 and again at 6PM...it was still 100.2. That is a good sign. I'm keeping an eye on his hooves. I am hoping that after tomorrow's IV.I will see major improvements. My Vet was a bit concerned about the fact that Huginn was so stoic (taking his very high temp into consideration) yesterday. She said she has seen this in Icelandic and draft horses in the past, that it can work against them. BTWwe canceled our camping trip for over the 4th. First time in gosh..maybe 20 years that I will not be riding on the 4th of July. Raven Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Questions re: possible purchase
Denise- Wow, what luck! yes that is the listed dam. the photo she sent me of the mare was larger so i down sized it for the list. I could send a larger copy to you directly if you would like. if i go see her (cross fingers, hold breath) i will update with my impressions of her. thank you for the info:) Maggie
RE: [IceHorses] 6/28 Quick Update - Huginn
BTWwe canceled our camping trip for over the 4th. First time in gosh..maybe 20 years that I will not be riding on the 4th of July. I'm so glad he's better, Raven - you'll have many, many more July 4 rides with him, I'm sure. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[IceHorses] Re: Questions re: possible purchase
she has been started-though there was a saddle issue and her current owner hasn't worked her through it yet-she has been riding her bareback since then. Any idea what type of saddle she tried? If the mare is wide, mutton-withered, you may consider a treeless saddle for her. Here's some info about the shape of the backs of Icelandic Horses: http://iceryder.net/backshape.html There are several links there to other pages with educational information. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] O/T - Mandy's wedding
my daughter Mandy here are a few photos of her wedding in May congratulations! Mandy will be traveling giving some lessons / clinics in TTEAM and Connected Riding so...when she is coming to my area? the twin cites? :] Raven Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] 6/28 Quick Update - Huginn
Good news Raven.. His photo is on our refrigerator door and I say a quickie prayer each time I pass him. How's his little friend, the mini, faring in all of this? And you? Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Faded black
Kola is really a beautiful shiny faded black - how pretty. Even the tail has changed colors. Does this happen every summer? Tosca (the Icelandic cross) is still quite black, but Hunter, the TWH, is so faded that I was going out to catch Twist (bay) this morning and couldn't tell them apart across a big field. I need new glasses. Other than color, they look nothing alike. Nancy
[IceHorses] Re: 6/28 Quick Update - Huginn
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Raven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This morning I took Huginn's temp before I fed him...it was 99.2 ~! The lowest it's been in a week. ~;9] That's great! I'm glad to hear it. Kim
Re: [IceHorses] 6/28 Quick Update - Huginn
His photo is on our refrigerator door and I say a quickie prayer each time I pass him that is totally SWEET of you!! thanks. ~:0 How's his little friend, the mini, faring in all of this? And you? dixie is feeling great. but, she can't figure out why i keep sticking the thermometer up her butt~! the vet suggested keeping track of her temps as well. just in case a tick got her. me...i'm pooped. ;]i was up late chatting with maike who was sweet enough to call me with support and then up early this mornning. long day at school with the students who hate year round school. ha! but..i'll nap this weekend. raven
Re: [IceHorses] Tolt, Saddle Rack or Rack
On Thu, Jun 28, 2007 at 04:46:47PM -, Judy Ryder wrote: We have not been able to get a definition for a slow tolt. No one in Iceland, USIHC, or FEIF have been able to identify and define the slow tolt. umm, i take lessons every week with an icelander who is having me work a lot on slow tolt (to muscle up stjarni's front end, she says). i think the video i showed of my friend included slow tolt, so you can see what's there and use it as an example. Is it supposed to be a one-foot / two-foot support just at a slower speed? or does a slow tolt have a two-foot / three-foot support which makes it a saddle rack? i think various languages may break up the gait continuum in different places, so it is unlikely to expect perfect synonymy. --vicka
RE: [IceHorses] Questions re: possible purchase
she has been started-though there was a saddle issue and her current owner hasn't worked her through it yet-she has been riding her bareback since then. This is a very small world: the Icelandics in the USA. It's hard to name a horse on this list without someone popping up that they own a relative. Sounds like you hit paydirt with her mom and a brother here - and the brother I own is from the father's side. As for saddles, many of us are having great results with treeless saddles with our Icelandics. Her brother that I own is a fairly good sized Icelandic, but has a short back - we use treeless on him, usually one of the Sensations. I also have a Torsion Extra Lite that's working pretty well. Welcome to the list too, btw, and please keep us informed! I hope her saddle issue isn't anything major - we have some stories to tell on that subject too, but you've probably already figured that out! Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[IceHorses] What does it mean?
I went to the barn today and saddled up Gat. No plan, just experimental play. I wanted to feel what different gaits she would offer so I kept her at more than a walk but less than a canter and she gave me a hodge-podge of gaits. A fast, smooth walk, something steppy with a nod, then something with a swinging rear, and occasionally something so smooth to ride I felt like I wasn't moving and I'm guessing that was a tolt because when she did it I could hear her footfalls 'tacka tacka tacka' and her head was up and her mane flying. I don't know what she was doing most of the time, but she kept going from one thing to another, and didn't stay in any of them for any length of time. So--what does that mean? Am I confusing her by not giving the proper aids or cues? Or is she just not capable of keeping a consistent gait? Should I be trying to encourage one over others? Which gait would be the best to encourage? I suppose it may be difficult to comment without actually watching her but I thought I'd throw out my questions anyways. :D V PS--I'm at the cottage which means dial-up connection so I don't get online as often.
Re: [IceHorses] 6/28 Quick Update - Huginn
--- Raven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Everyone, First of all...THANK YOU so much for all your wonderful support, it means so much to us. Please keep it coming. I am so glad he is feeling better. Keep up the faith. Happy Trails from Lori Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php
Re: [IceHorses] What does it mean?
I don't know what she was doing most of the time, but she kept going from one thing to another, and didn't stay in any of them for any length of time. So--what does that mean? Am I confusing her by not giving the proper aids or cues? Or is she just not capable of keeping a consistent gait? Should I be trying to encourage one over others? Which gait would be the best to encourage? This is sort of what we were talking about the other day; the advantage of knowing about gaits. Most likely, Gat was never set in one certain gait (meaning having someone determine what is her natural gait, give her cues / aids to get into it, and practice for her self-carriage in that gait). So, she has probably gone most of her life, just offering stuff and either being framed by the rider, or mooshing around in whatever. When a trainer doesn't know gaits and can only get gaits by framing a horse, the horses miss out on learning about gaits themselves (because they don't learn if they are force framed). So say we have a pacey young horse, and about the best gait it'll be able to do under saddle is a stepping pace which can be quite comfortable. We can work with the horse and establish that as the default gait, and help the horse attain self-carriage, so the horse can do it on a loose rein. The horse will know what the rider wants, and the rider will know what the horse can give. It's a good deal for the horse instead of not knowing for 20 years! Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Questions re: possible purchase
I could send a larger copy to you directly if you would like. if i go see her HI Maggie: Yes, I would like a larger copy if you can send me one. My email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can send you some pics of my Elva. She had a beautiful blue dun filly nearly 2 months ago and both are doing great. I can send you pics of all of Elva's foals she has had for me, all of which would be half siblings to the mare you will be looking at. The more relatives you look at the better in my book. You can see similarities, some more pronounced than others when you have several examples to look at. Does this mare have a dun stripe? Just curious. Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
RE: [IceHorses] Tolt, Saddle Rack or Rack
But I am not totally sure about what is being defined as a saddle rack, because Karen said it was slow and Janice said it was fast and that a rack was strung out. Slow and fast are relative terms, I guess. Saddle rack can be pretty fast by my definition - however, not nearly as fast as a pure rack, which can go above 20 mph and that's really fast. Lee assigned some ranges of speed in her book. I'm not good about thinking of the gaits in miles/hour though, simply because I've never measured them. I guess that's one of the next things I need to work on - getting a feel for speeds so I can talk in those terms. I have a gps that's pretty accurate MOST of the time (except for the one time it measured Eitill at 110 mph!!!) so I need to start using it. Anyway, all of the gaits have a range of speed, although some horses can only do each gait in a narrow speed range. (I'm thinking about the McPhail gait study as I say that.) Karen Thomas, NC
RE: [IceHorses] Tolt, Saddle Rack or Rack
Have you watched video of competitions, like the WC, showing slow and fast tolt? If so what did you see there? It certainly looks to me like a tolt but I have never watched it in slow motion. It's sometimes a tolt, sometimes a saddle rack, and more often than not, the 1-2-3 foot gait that is a deviation. So, what are they judging on? Who knows? When you go to evaluations, do you show slow tolt? If so, what are you doing? But I am not totally sure about what is being defined as a saddle rack, Is the saddle rack defined and shown in photos in Lee's book? Yes, it is. The saddle rack is slower than the rack, and it is two-foot / three-foot support. It's more of a pleasure gait, one that you'd use on the trails to have a nice smooth ride. Easy on the horse; easy on the rider. Probably the gait that most people use as an every day gait (unless you're bombing thru the neighborhood like crazy). What gait do you usually use on the trail? Can you get some video? Thanks! Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] O/T - Mandy's wedding
Robyn please send me info on what I would need to do to host a clinic. I am very interested in the centered riding clinic! Raven Huginn (can you please wait till I'm back on my hooves?)
RE: [IceHorses] What does it mean?
So--what does that mean? Am I confusing her by not giving the proper aids or cues? Or is she just not capable of keeping a consistent gait? Should I be trying to encourage one over others? Which gait would be the best to encourage? I think what it means is that you are starting to feel the difference and maybe be able soon to put names to them. That's a good thing. The way I see it, you can't really teach the horse much until you have it down yourself...and she's been on her own for many years now - what's a few more days of inconsistency going to hurt? :) I think this is a good exercise for you...for a short term. Maybe try to isolate one or two gaits at first, then try to brag on her for doing the ones you like. Don't mind saying the name of the gait once you're fairly confident of what it is - Sina knows their names, and learned them quickly. It might help to think of it this way - maybe ride once or twice as a passenger, just trying to feel everything in her range for YOUR education. Then try riding some by asking her for one particular gait...don't make a big deal out of it if she can't get or hold it, but praise her when she does. So maybe a few rides to teach yourself one gait, then a few rides to start teaching her, and maybe a little back and forth. I wouldn't recommend this if you had someone you trusted to help you, but if you're on your own, and are starting from scratch, it's an option. You may have to play around to see what subtle body shifts - or slight movement of your little finger on the reins, whatever - is all it takes to get her to stay in any given gait. I think if you play around with it - and have some fun with it - it will start to make sense, to you and to her. And when she starts giving you a gait, gradually start asking her to hold it just a tad longer, then a little longer... I know my way is kind of backwards to some people, but I like to do sort of a give and take - first see what she can offer, then try to fine-tune what's best for both of us, as long as it's easy for her. Remember my story about Holly, my TWH - she was older too before we got to the point of cleaning up gaits. I mainly rode her at trot until she was about 10 or 12. Oh, she could gait before then, but it was just too confusing for me, and I didn't have any one to help me. Karen Thomas, NC
RE: [IceHorses] Gait Chart
what's in the blank spaces in between? are there sharp delineations among the three middle gaits, and if so, what are they? There are infinite variations in all things mammalian. No two horses will gait EXACTLY alike, and when you think of the timing that can vary infinitely between each footfall, that should make sense. Even the gait experts will tell you that there are points in these gray areas where it's hard to assign a name to a gait. As I've quoted many times, Lee Ziegler often talked about how one gait will morph into another, along the gait continuum. I think those two words convey a lot. Most of us have sufficient difficulty getting our heads around the named gaits without even thinking about the infinite number of variations in between! I think I'm much more interested in the science of gait than most people on this list, but even I don't worry about that level of detail. If we can get close enough to recognize the main named gaits, I think most of us will be doing wonderfully well. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Mounting sequence
i'd give him a treat. (not all the time. it's better to be a slot machine than a vending machine, you want them to keep playing :) Really nice analogy here--I like that! Robyn S
Re: [IceHorses] Iceland and Tolkien
How come in the movie they used Friesians and Andalusians with extra hair glued on instead of icelandic horses? Cause they're more romantic than little bitty ponies (except for the hobbits). Now it seems that crossing Friesians w/ everything under the sun is in vogue. Andalusians too. Pretty soon we're going to be a nation of mutt equines. Robyn S.
RE: [IceHorses] Tolt, Saddle Rack or Rack
Hi Judy When you go to evaluations, do you show slow tolt? If so, what are you doing? We have not taken any of our horses to evaluations. It's more of a pleasure gait, one that you'd use on the trails to have a nice smooth ride. Easy on the horse; easy on the rider. Probably the gait that most people use as an every day gait (unless you're bombing thru the neighborhood like crazy). What gait do you usually use on the trail? Can you get some video? I would say it depends on the horses, the terrain and the group we are riding with. I would say sometimes tolt and sometimes it is probably a saddle rack, lots of trot, some canter. We don't ride in neighborhoods, but on back roads and through fields so there is no traffic. Pretty hard to get video from the side when riding on a dirt road. It will be easier to get it on our track and we will try and do it tomorrow during a riding clinic when were are going to ride different horses to show a variety of gaits and let people see what they look like so they can also put them together with the feel when they are riding. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
Re: [IceHorses] Tolt, Saddle Rack or Rack
I have a gps that's pretty accurate MOST of the time (except for the one time it measured Eitill at 110 mph!!!) Cool! I bet you'd win at pace racing! ;P Robyn S
Re: [IceHorses] Tolt, Saddle Rack or Rack
The saddle rack is slower than the rack, and it is two-foot / three-foot support. It's more of a pleasure gait, one that you'd use on the trails to have a nice smooth ride. Easy on the horse; easy on the rider. So how does it differ from RW? How can I tell the difference from the ground and in the saddle? Robyn S
Re: [IceHorses] What does it mean?
--- Virginia Tupper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So--what does that mean? Am I confusing her by not giving the proper aids or cues? Or is she just not capable of keeping a consistent gait? Should I be trying to encourage one over others? Which gait would be the best to encourage? It means you have a very talanted horse, and if you want her to be consistant in a gait, you need to learn to be consistant, too. Now, I've heard about some of your lessons with your coach, and I'm not trying to be mean here, but I really don't think that person is the one who is capable of helping you sort out the gaits and figure out how to cue for each one and become consistant in one gait. Does your digital camera have video capabilities? If so, get some videos and upload them to You-Tube. What I suggest is for you to say what you are feeling during each gait, so when we know what the horse is doing and what your body position is doing, you can figure it out. A multi-gaited horse can be very fun and very educational. Oh, do you have Lee Ziegler's Easy-Gaited Horses? If not, buy it today! Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz
RE: [IceHorses] What does it mean?
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know my way is kind of backwards to some people, but I like to do sort of a give and take - first see what she can offer, then try to fine-tune what's best for both of us, as long as it's easy for her. I don't think it is backwards, I would say it should be the norm! That's what I did with Whisper - took whatever gait she offered, then started fine-tuning it. Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/
