Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann / Gaited Horses
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:48:44 -0500, you wrote: >I always assumed that a hodgepodge of whatever horses were in Europe at >the time made their way to the USA, and that gaited horses remained the >horses of choice for the reasons you stated - comfortable to ride all day. I wonder if gaited horses were brought from South America rather than being brought from Europe? Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:28:30 -0800 (PST), you wrote: >That is interesting. > >I wonder how much the turn towards classical >dressage had to do with it. Or the improved roads and amount of horse-borne warfare? Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] We're very sad
--- Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The veterinary critical center called to let us know Sammie died this morning. Oh Nancy, I am so sorry for your loss. We have 3 Jacks, and my first one died on Christmas day a little over 3 years ago. Many blessings to you and your family. Skye Fire Island Eco-Treks-808-443-6085 Fire Island Professional Farrier Service-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] We're very sad
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Re: [IceHorses] video
way to go mic! i added the video to myspace page. thanks! Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] O/T Sophie
she's so cute...like a little wound up toy. she makes me giggle. thanks for sharing. <;] Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
RE: [IceHorses] O/T Sophie
Hi Bia Most dogs will sit if you just stand in front of them so they look up at you. Easier to sit than stand when they are so small. You can also take a bit of food and bring your hand close enough to their nose without them having to jump up and move your hand slowly back towards their rear end. They usually sit. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
Re: [IceHorses] O/T Sophie
On 21/01/2008, Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Wanda > Another thing to try with Sophie is to start the lying down from her > standing. You could sit on the floor with your knees bent and lure her > front end down under your leg (by your raised knee). So her front end will > lower a bit and then you can c/t. It has worked for me with small dogs. I was trying Sarah's version and then between Sophie leaping over my leg, and me contorting myself to stop her...I stopped her with my knee and so I had her crawling under that. She's done about 4 or 5 consistent 'downs'...but I think she was getting tired so her attention wasn't all it should be. I'll try again tomorrow. Film at 11:00 ;) Wanda
RE: [IceHorses] O/T Sophie
Hi Wanda Another thing to try with Sophie is to start the lying down from her standing. You could sit on the floor with your knees bent and lure her front end down under your leg (by your raised knee). So her front end will lower a bit and then you can c/t. It has worked for me with small dogs. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
Re: [IceHorses] O/T Sophie
...that was Sophie adding a bit of 'pizzazz' to her sit. > It gets a little fancier every time I ask for it. Love it! Puppies are so much fun to work with - they are like little sponges and just soak it up. > > She loves clicker training! Now if I could just determine how to make > her lay down...I haven't been able to wait long enough for a lay...the > little thing never seems to do it on her own. Using a lure as Anna suggested works most of the time. Small dogs have a shorter distance from the mouth to the floor and don't have to reach as much as a larger puppy so they can be more difficult. Try bringing the lure straight down from her nose between her front legs really slowly and then really slowly along the floor towards her belly. Did I mention that it needs to be done slowly? :) You can also sit on the floor with your leg straight out in front of you raising it just off the floor. Put her on one side of your leg and lure her under your leg. She will need to lay down to get under your leg. Then C/T ! > > Cara was the one with success with clicker training and dogs. I'm rusty at it. Looks like you are doing a great job so far! Can't wait for the "down" video! Sarah in MT
Re: [IceHorses] O/T Sophie
how do you make them sit to get to that point to lay down? Bia
Re: [IceHorses] O/T Sophie
Oh my gosh Wanda, she is so cute. And smart!! I must let you know I'm forwarding the pics of her to my daughter in Italy. She has a yorkie also. The mighty Samson. lol Very precious, thanks for sharing. Bernadette
Re: [IceHorses] O/T Sophie
On 21/01/2008, Anna Hopkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > THe way I TeaCH lay down is To use a TreaT in fronT of His nose wHile > He is siTTing and lower iT To THe ground. I will also genTly pusH Him > down or pull THe legs down To pHysiCally Help Him To undersTand wHaT I > wanT. That's what I was doing, and she didn't seem to connect it somehow. Maybe tonight when she's settled. I'll keep trying. > I need To sTop Typing before I go mad. My CompuTer will only > reCognise THe leTTers T, H and C if I CapiTalize THem. THis is new. > Hopefully iT will noT keep THis up. Maybe my HP lapTop knows THaT I > wenT To THe IMaC-Apple sTore and iT's mad aT me. Oh...I thought this was some sort of half yelling...or speaking abruptly or something. :) Glad it's just your computer fritzing out. Cara loves her Mac... Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] O/T Sophie
On Jan 21, 2008 6:42 PM, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > She loves clicker training! Now if I could just determine how to make > her lay down...I haven't been able to wait long enough for a lay...the > little thing never seems to do it on her own. > THe way I TeaCH lay down is To use a TreaT in fronT of His nose wHile He is siTTing and lower iT To THe ground. I will also genTly pusH Him down or pull THe legs down To pHysiCally Help Him To undersTand wHaT I wanT. I need To sTop Typing before I go mad. My CompuTer will only reCognise THe leTTers T, H and C if I CapiTalize THem. THis is new. Hopefully iT will noT keep THis up. Maybe my HP lapTop knows THaT I wenT To THe IMaC-Apple sTore and iT's mad aT me. -- Anna Southern Ohio
Re: [IceHorses] Janet
I visited Janet once... not sure if she remembers me going with my then ass--le boyfriend/farrie, dave...Caliente is so pretty and all the free range is just great! Bia
Re: [IceHorses] O/T Sophie
On 21/01/2008, Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: OK, what was that sudden glitch? > V Like Anna said...that was Sophie adding a bit of 'pizzazz' to her sit. It gets a little fancier every time I ask for it. She loves clicker training! Now if I could just determine how to make her lay down...I haven't been able to wait long enough for a lay...the little thing never seems to do it on her own. Cara was the one with success with clicker training and dogs. I'm rusty at it. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] O/T Sophie
On Jan 21, 2008 6:18 PM, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sophie has learned to sit. > How cute! I like how she adds a little flair to the plain old sit with her little turn and scoot. They really take to clicker training. Arnie loves Goldfish crackers best as his treat. I shake the bag to get him to come in. Once he starts towards me I click him. -- Anna Southern Ohio
Re: [IceHorses] video
On Jan 21, 2008 4:15 PM, Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've just put my very first video slide show up on YouTube > http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xnPXwU0JKsU > Very nice! V
Re: [IceHorses] O/T Sophie
On Jan 21, 2008 7:18 PM, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sophie has learned to sit. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P6AjP_nVNQ OK, what was that sudden glitch? V
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
On Jan 21, 2008 2:37 PM, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Not longer than Iceland's of course - early 10th century > > > > just an interesting aside, a factoid Wow! That write-up was both very interesting as well as very confusing! V
[IceHorses] O/T Sophie
Sophie has learned to sit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P6AjP_nVNQ -- Wanda Saskatchewan Canada
Re: [IceHorses] Janet
>> 20 miles up the creek road from Caliente, but the whole area is known as Caliente or Walker Basin. Yes, it is beautiful, and the drive from Hwy. 58 is my driveway. I love it here, and I also love the open range Last summer we were in Caliente, stopped for sandwich at that little place in town (I think the only place in town). Is that the Pony Expresso? We went to Caliente to look at homes for sale. Good prices for the properties...but man the drive would be a hard daily commute. But what appealed to me was the beauty of that area, and I am sure the riding is good there. Anywho...the job for my hubby didn't work out. Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] We're very sad
Oh Nancy, I had such hopes that things would turn around for her. I think we all know how you feel. We've all lost a dear pet at some time or another. As always, time takes care of most grief. Take care of yourself. Wanda
[IceHorses] Bitless, Barefoot
Here are some sites in Europe for bitless and barefoot: http://www.bitloos.be/ http://www.equihof.be/ Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Cougar scrape
but also indicative of the cougar population. > Several years ago I lost a three day old foal to a cougar. The county trapper tried to hunt this cougar down, because I wasn't the only one in the area to lose livestock. We definitely have an overpopulation of cougars in California. Since then, all my new babies live on about 3 fenced acres around the house. If anything comes around, my dogs will let me know. Legal or not, if a cougar comes over my fence, I will shoot it. Janet Caliente, California
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
It is my understanding, and I'm not sure where I read this, that gaited horses went out of style with aristocracy and there followed the rest of the European world. I'm certainly not a great historian so that could be totally wrong Well, Laree, you can I may not be historians, but Lee Ziegler was, at least related to gaits. I found some of the things I remembered on the first two pages of her book, Easy-Gaited Horses. Here's one quote: "During the Middle Ages, when European roads were virtually impassable, easy-gaited horses were the prized possessions of the wealthy and were frequently mentioned in their last wills and testaments at ten times the worth of non-gaited horses." She goes on to say: "As the Americans were colonized, easy-gaited horses found a new role providing comfortable transportation through the wilderness of the developing colonies. Although they gradually disappeared from Europe during the 1600's, replaced by trotting carriage horses, carthorses and racehorses, easy-gaited horses were still appreciated in remote areas of Asia and Africa, as well as in the rural areas of the Americas. Whenever and wherever humans relied on riding horses rather than driving horses for transportation, the easy-gaited horse was present and valued." In other words, gaited horses survived in Iceland, the southeastern parts of the USA, Peru, Puerto Rico and in certain parts of Africa and Asia for the same reason - because they are ideal riding horses. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] We're very sad
Nancy, I'm so sorry. Sometimes no prayer can save our beloved pets. Perhaps there is a reason, but it is still so hard to accept. My little Chi died suddenly about 4 years ago. I managed to take care of my horses and outside dogs, but I stayed drunk for about a year. Then my daughter brought me another Chi pup, and since I had to take care of him it was time to sober up. I have since started an accidental chi sanctuary, ergo, I have 12 chi and chi mixes, all but one rescued. They are wonderful, (especially on a cold night). My thoughts are with you, Janet Caliente, California
Re: [IceHorses] Janet
>>> Janet Westminster Caliente, California > > Janet...you're in Caliente? Man...what a drive to get back there. > HA!I love it, and all the free range cattle. Hi Raven, I am 20 miles up the creek road from Caliente, but the whole area is known as Caliente or Walker Basin. Yes, it is beautiful, and the drive from Hwy. 58 is my driveway. I love it here, and I also love the open range. I am 45 miles from the nearest store, and 50 miles from my vet. Fortunately, I am retired (if taking care of all my dogs and horses doesn't count). Interesting to know someone that knows where Caliente is... Janet Caliente, California
Re: [IceHorses] video
> I've just put my very first video slide show up on > YouTube > http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xnPXwU0JKsU > > Mic, That was very good but couldn't watch the whole thing. Lorraine Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [IceHorses] We're very sad
> suffering and being afraid, but man. This is hard. > Nancy. i am truly sorry about your Sammie. That is devastating. At least he is our of pain. Our thoughts are with you. Lorraine Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [IceHorses] sick of being sick
> an ear infection with bronchitis that was on the > verge of pneumonia. > The good news is that he gave me an antibiotic and a > prescription cough > syrup, and hopefully that will clear it up for me > quickly. > Wow. You really have everything. My ear infection is now going on week 3. Everything sounds weird. Lorraine Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann / Gaited Horses
which is interesting because when immigrants came to america the working class british went to the industrialist north to find work Well, except that you have to consider when the immigration occurred. When the Europeans first started immigrating to what became the USA, there was no industrialization, anywhere in North America. I always assumed that a hodgepodge of whatever horses were in Europe at the time made their way to the USA, and that gaited horses remained the horses of choice for the reasons you stated - comfortable to ride all day. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] video
wow you are beginning to impress me... janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] We're very sad
I'm sorry Nancy! Bless your heart, I know how sad you must feel! now his little heart is at peace... Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
It is my understanding, and I'm not sure where I read this, that gaited horses went out of style with aristocracy and there followed the rest of the European world. I'm certainly not a great historian so that could be totally wrong I've heard a variation of that too, Laree, only adding that it coincided with the advent of the carriage as an elite means of transportation. Once carriages became common, the elite could more focused on what looked "pretty" in front of a carriage, as opposed to what was comfortable to ride. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] We're very sad
In a message dated 1/21/2008 9:36:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Nancy, we are sorry to hear of your loss, you do the best you can at the time things happen and don't second guess yourself. All of us at Gemstone Rottweilers send their love to Sammie. We lost two dogs this past year. Both females and very old. I still have a 12 year old and 13 year old doing OK, not great but hanging in there. Rotties rarely live past 13 and most go at 10 or so. Remember the fun times. Sylvia **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489
Re: [IceHorses] video
I've just put my very first video slide show up on YouTube http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xnPXwU0JKsU Mic Bless you, Mic, for making that, for posting it and for having the guts to put your name on it. My hat's off to you - you go, girl! Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann / Gaited Horses
> > I wonder how much the turn towards classical > > dressage had to do with it. > > > It is my understanding, and I'm not sure where I read this, that > gaited horses went out of style with aristocracy and there followed > the rest of the European world. I'm certainly not a great historian > so that could be totally wrong which is interesting because when immigrants came to america the working class british went to the industrialist north to find work and settled there while the aristocracy went south to buy large plantations and they are the ones who went for gaited horses, horses with high action to step over the rows of cotton and ride 20-30 miles a day at an easy gait and to pull the family wagon on sunday. janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] video
On Jan 21, 2008 3:15 PM, Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've just put my very first video slide show up on YouTube > http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xnPXwU0JKsU Good job Mic. -- Anna Southern Ohio
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
> I wonder how much the turn towards classical > dressage had to do with it. It is my understanding, and I'm not sure where I read this, that gaited horses went out of style with aristocracy and there followed the rest of the European world. I'm certainly not a great historian so that could be totally wrong -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
> >The Spaniards were breeding gaited (and spotted) > > http://www.spanishjennet.org/history.shtml ...It's funny really, how we lost the gaited horses in > Europe, yet they thrived in the less developed countries like South America, Iceland, Africa etc. That is interesting. I wonder how much the turn towards classical dressage had to do with it. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
or maybe our american men have more durable testicles. Hehehehe! Karen Thomas, NC
RE: [IceHorses] video
Hi Mic, Great job. Having been involved with Icelandics for over 30 years, and I think you about the same time Mic?, it is sad to see the increasing level of pressure that competition horses are being subjected to. I am not against competition, nor riding Icelandics at speed in the gaits, but someone has to be advocates for the horses. What I have said for a long time is that one person's training method is another's abuse and it is very difficult for more people to look at it within their own breed/discipline. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
Re: [IceHorses] video
On Jan 21, 2008 3:15 PM, Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've just put my very first video slide show up on YouTube > http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xnPXwU0JKsU Wow!, Mic - Excellent -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:52:04 -0800, you wrote: >The Spaniards were breeding gaited (and spotted) riding horses by that >time: for example, the Jennet >(http://www.spanishjennet.org/history.shtml), which figures heavily in >the ancestry of the the Paso Finos, Peruvians, Florida Cracker, and >Spanish mustangs. Good point, Lynn. It's funny really, how we lost the gaited horses in Europe, yet they thrived in the less developed countries like South America, Iceland, Africa etc. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] We're very sad
Oh, nancy! I am so sorry to hear this. I was hoping to hear good news from you. At least your little love is out of pain. I am sending healing thoughts your way. -- Mary Dudley, LVT Fandango Ranch Registered Rocky Mountain and Icelandic Horses www.fandangoranchrockies.com
[IceHorses] video
I've just put my very first video slide show up on YouTube http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xnPXwU0JKsU Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
On Jan 21, 2008, at 10:37 AM, Janice McDonald wrote: >> Not longer than Iceland's of course - early 10th century > > The Spaniards were breeding gaited (and spotted) riding horses by that time: for example, the Jennet (http://www.spanishjennet.org/history.shtml), which figures heavily in the ancestry of the the Paso Finos, Peruvians, Florida Cracker, and Spanish mustangs. Lynn Kinsky, Santa Ynez, CA http://www.silcom.com/~lkinsky/ http://www.dslextreme.com/~napha/JoyOfRiding/index.htm
Re: [IceHorses] HELP
Thanks Judy, that's brilliant! Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
> Not the speed, but the timing of the legs. Looks like the horse adjusted it's movement for a stride or two to rebalance under a the rider. Cheryl Icelandic Sheepdogs & Icelandic Horses www.sandcreekicelandics.com
Re: [IceHorses] We're very sad
On Jan 21, 2008 1:35 PM, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is hard. > > I'm so sorry for you Nancy. V
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
> It appeared to me the horse took a quicker step or > two (to rebalance under a > moving rider) and then settled back into the > previous gait/speed. Not the speed, but the timing of the legs. Judy
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
>> In the video, at about 5:35 marker in time, you can see the rider lift up off the saddle and sit on the cantle to get the gait: My guess is it's just as likely he lifted up to free up a squashed testicle. Wow, do squashed testicles somehow get more relief when the rider sits on the cantle as opposed to the low part of the saddle...? Then how do you explain that we just as often see female competition riders scoot to the back of the saddle? I'm not buying it, Cheryl. Besides, you know as well as I do that the tradition for the very flat Icelandic seats is so that rider can scoot his/her butt back to cue for gait. Many of us who've been in the breed for more than a couple of years have been told we can't possibly ride an Icelandic in a dressage saddle, or a western saddle... Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
> > In the video, at about 5:35 marker in time, you can see the > > rider lift up off the saddle and sit on the cantle to get the gait: > > Looks to me like the horse was already gaiting. > > My guess is it's just as likely he lifted up to free up a squashed testicle. well maybe he oughta just ride holding them both in his hands like a lot of icelandic guys do.-- Look at that video I uploaded to YouTube of a 16 year old boy at the field trials riding down the road bareback from the washrack. he is a way better rider. So why do we need someone from europe to come show us how to ride and train a gaited horse?? or maybe our american men have more durable testicles. janice yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
> Did you see the difference in timing of the legs, > before and after the switch to the cantle seat? It appeared to me the horse took a quicker step or two (to rebalance under a moving rider) and then settled back into the previous gait/speed. Cheryl Icelandic Sheepdogs & Icelandic Horses www.sandcreekicelandics.com
[IceHorses] Re: Walter Feldmann / Cavallo
> >history with gaited horses - ours is a longer contiguous history than Europe's! > > Not longer than Iceland's of course - early 10th century The Cavallo article addresses that somewhat in saying that there was / is not a solid proven training program in Iceland. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
> > In the video, at about 5:35 marker in time, you > can see the > > rider lift up off the saddle and sit on the cantle > to get the gait: > > Looks to me like the horse was already gaiting. Did you see the difference in timing of the legs, before and after the switch to the cantle seat? Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Repetition in Training
An article about repetition in training: http://www.myequinenetwork.com/HowdoyouWhisper/Repetition/tabid/166/Default.aspx Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
> In the video, at about 5:35 marker in time, you can see the > rider lift up off the saddle and sit on the cantle to get the gait: Looks to me like the horse was already gaiting. My guess is it's just as likely he lifted up to free up a squashed testicle. Cheryl Icelandic Sheepdogs & Icelandic Horses www.sandcreekicelandics.com
Re: [IceHorses] We're very sad
On Jan 21, 2008 12:35 PM, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The veterinary critical center called to let us know Sammie died this > morning. I am so sorry for your loss. With the weather getting so cold, I have been a bit lax in staying outside with the dogs when they go out. Your loss has reminded me that I can't let my guard down. I read this on a Yorkie a day Calendar. "The misery of keeping a dog is his dying so soon. But, to be sure, if he lived for 50 years and then died, what would become of me?" Sir Walter Scott -- Anna Southern Ohio
Re: [IceHorses] bit, how does it work?
> > OK, I finally found a link to "how does it work". > See: > (http://www.elvaquero.com/The%20Spade.htm). > Thanks! This article was very interesting. -Kristen in MI Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
> Not longer than Iceland's of course - early 10th century just an interesting aside, a factoid--- my stonewall is registered SSHBEA (Spotted Saddlehorse Breeders and Exhibitors Assoc). Fo a while they opened the books to allow any gaited horse that was spotted to be registered, but they had to be observed gaiting by a commissioned member of the registry. They allow stepping pace and rack, running walk, speed rack, all those as allowable gaits in the show ring, which i think is nice. but anyway, in that registry just a few years ago there was brewing a big flap amongst purists of the breed who want to be disassociated in every way with the TWHBEA (walking horse assoc) because of soring, abuses etc. so they passed this rule that a horse can't be registered now unless both parents are registered and at least one of them is tobiano. I can't figure out the hidden secret meaning behind that but supposedly it goes back to sorta systematically breeding out the walking horse blood. Which I dont get because my stonewall has a tobiano sire so he would still qualify and he is one of those with tainted blood. (but he is overo?) but the POINT as my mom used to say--- the sshbea purists say the orginal sshbea horse was a spotted pony brought from europe and in its ancestry were spainsh gaited ponies and the ICELANDIC HORSE. so you can go to sshbea shows and the purists are all riding these little stocky spotted ponies doing a fancy little rack. the other weird thing is he is half mccurdy and therefore able to be registered "appendix" mccurdy but i was told not to bother, they wont register a spotted mccurdy. they want to keep the breed from spots i guess. So stonewall is registered walking, but racks so has an unacceptable gait for walking. people also say the twhbea show people are prejudiced against spots.He is registered sshbea which the purists snub him because he has tainted walker blood. he is registered racking which snubs him cause he is also registered walking and is spotted.He is half mccurdy but they wont admit it cause he is spotted. Ny nasi is registered icelandic blue dun but nobody wants to hear it cause his color is a degree darker than the norm and the only gait he shows in the field so far is foxtrot, a gait the icelandics say doesnt exist. My Tivar is registered icelandic but doesnt tolt and has a crabby attitude from people trying to force him to via pain. my jas is registered racking but paces, my fox is registered racking but walks, and racks so i guess its ok. especially since he is registered walking too i guess. Our Traveller is a pure mccurdy from old foundation mccurdy lines and he does every gait there is but the mccurdys say the mccurdys only do a gait called "the mccurdy lick" which is sorta like tolt, it depends on who you ask if you want to know what it is, and actually it is a tolt i think. it is a "single foot lick extremely smooth and gliding to ride". sound familiar? does all this sound a little nutty to you? it does to me... but how did all these gaited horses happen?? The mccurdy breed began in a way so politically incorrect no one will come right out and say it so I will... the negro slaves working on the mccurdy plantation sneaked and bred the smoothest and best temperament ones amongst themselves until they became the horse everyone around that part of alabama wanted and then the mccurdys claimed they had started the breed, not the slaves. Yet if you go on the mccurdy website and click on any years official mccurdy trail ride you will see more black people riding gaited horses with white people that you will see on any other trail ride anywhere in the south, and thats because that happens to be an area where their horsemanship and breeding skill is not only recognized but highly prized. off the record of course at the field trial last weekend there was a man there who had a mccurdy. we proudly pointed out OUR mccurdys and he sorta rose up all haughty and looked down his nose and said "but MY horse was bred and born ON the mccurdy plantation." Sound familiar? Sorta like but MY icelandic came from iceland Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] OT - First foster placement (human)
> > How's things going so far? > We have survived parenthood for more than a week. Abby is easy to get along with for the most part. I have kept her on a similar sleep/nap schedule as the daycare and I think it helps a lot. She likes to keep busy. It was too cold this weekend to play outside though. -Kristen in MI Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
> >So, please, don't say that we don't have a > >history with gaited horses - ours is a longer contiguous history than > >Europe's! > > Not longer than Iceland's of course - early 10th century with one breed, a small number compared to here. And here we did not "breed" two of the same breed. We bred for smooth gait and temperament. how many horses are in iceland? There are 3000 horses accounted for in the county I live in, and only 130,000 people. I don't know how many of those are gaited, but quite frequently, possibly every weekend somewhere in alabama, florida or Georgia or maybe all three at once, there are rides with 200-300 gaited horses. There are field trials every weekend during the winter with 200-300 gaited horses, and we do not even have a huge gaited horse population in my area. Its mostly quarterhorses but any weekend I can go ride somewhere and count 25-50 gaited horses camping at the trail head. Florida has a huge hispanic population and culture and one thing hispanics know and enjoy is gaited horses if they like horses at all. Janice yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:49:11 -0800, you wrote: > I still >am amazed that the bit issue was resolved citing the no use of foreign >equipment rule, rather than citing the rider for not using the foreign >equipment properly. The only way that the matter could have been dealt with on a bad-riding basis would have been by the judges at the time of the competition. They chose to take no action (twats). Retrospectively, the only way to prevent anyone using the Peruvian bit (correctly or not) was to declare it forbidden as not being culturally acceptable. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
i hate to point out how new we are to gaited horses. How does it go ? In 16 hundred and forty two, columbus crossed the ocean blue. And he brought some gaited horses too. I added that last part but its true. someone stop me I cant stop rhyming for you. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] What gait Hunter
> If the legs are marked correctly, this looks like a stepping pace > to me, as the laterals are very close to the same angle, working closer > together in timing. > > There's a point in foxtrot where the angles of the laterals appear to be > close together too - but only in one phase. About all of the gaits will have a lateral phase, but in a fox trot, the other set of laterals will be working "at odds" (for lack of a better term), and both will be *inside* of the grounded laterals, giving us the classic fox trot picture; two upside down V's, one larger, one smaller. See this picture: http://www.foxtrotters.org/FxTrtOldStyleJeff.jpg As soon as the horse sets down on the off-side front, his laterals will be grounded, the left rear comes forward a tidge, and you'll see the upside down V's. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] We're very sad
The veterinary critical center called to let us know Sammie died this morning. I'm so sorry, Nancy. I feel quite fortunate to have my JRT, Betty Sue, sitting on my lap as I type this. It's never easy to lose an animal - Ive lost three dogs in the past eight months, but luckily all died essentially of old age. I lost my favorite cat of all times to an attack by stray dogs. It's a horrible feeling. My heart goes out to you. Karen Thomas, NC
[IceHorses] World Veterinary Conference, BC
The World Veterinary Conference is in British Columbia, Canada, this year: http://www.ivis.org/newsletter/archives/jan08/jan1808wvc.htm Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] We're very sad
but man. This is hard. > Yes, it is, the hardest. My thoughts are with you and your family. It's always been hard but it seems to get harder and harder to lose my beloved pets as I age. -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] We're very sad
Oh Nancy, I'm so sad with you. Please be comforted in knowing she is no longer suffering and you did all that was humanly possible. Hugs to you. Bernadette
RE: [IceHorses] We're very sad
Hi Nancy I am so very sorry to hear about Sammie, I had a terrible feeling about her this morning. I lost a small dog in a sudden way last summer and couldn't talk about it for quite a while. It is always a hard call to make about how far you go to try and save them but you had to try. Thinking about you and your family, Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
>> So, please, don't say that we don't have a >> history with gaited horses - ours is a longer contiguous history than >> Europe's! > > Not longer than Iceland's of course - early 10th century > ; ) But the first Feldman video was about a part Peruvian (ridden quite improperly by the Peruvian tradition, so that the gait was destroyed -- why bother making the cross?), and part of the Cavallo article (as presented here) had to do with an appalling misuse of a Peruvian bit. I have been raising Peruvians and riding and showing Peruvians since 1980 (probably before the first ones were imported to Europe). I still am amazed that the bit issue was resolved citing the no use of foreign equipment rule, rather than citing the rider for not using the foreign equipment properly. Lynn Kinsky, Santa Ynez, CA http://www.silcom.com/~lkinsky/ http://www.dslextreme.com/~napha/JoyOfRiding/index.htm
Re: [IceHorses] We're very sad
OH NANCY, Hugs to you I know how hard this was for you. I know it all to well... Love and light sent to you and Sammie as she crosses over the rainbow bridge... -- I and my horses love our track system!!! http://picasaweb.google.com/dakota.charm/TrackSystem The Soul of a Horse ~ has touched my soul, may it touch yours too! ~ thesoulofahorse.com/Pre-Order-Reviews.htm ~
Re: [IceHorses] What gait Hunter
If the legs are marked correctly, this looks like a stepping pace to me, as the laterals are very close to the same angle, working closer together in timing. There's a point in foxtrot where the angles of the laterals appear to be close together too - but only in one phase. I can show in in some series of stills from my horses that foxtrot. One single photo doesn't always tell the whole story. If in doubt, I always go by what the rider feels. Stepping pace has a pretty distinct side-to-side feel, getting rougher the more lateral it gets. If you can't feel that, I doubt it's stepping pace. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] What gait Hunter
Thanks Judy. Will I ever learn? Nancy
[IceHorses] We're very sad
The veterinary critical center called to let us know Sammie died this morning. We're very VERY sorry that the vibrant little Jack Russell would die in such a violent way. We were beginning to doubt the wisdom of asking her to continue this fight. There was just so much trauma. So in one way, we're glad she's through suffering and being afraid, but man. This is hard. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
Not longer than Iceland's of course - early 10th century No, but the points I responded to were from the posts about Europe. And, if you go back that far, gaited horses were more common than trotting horses, EVERYWHERE in the world. In the 10th century, my ancestors were in Europe...where gaited horses were common too - then. :) Iceland didn't develop gaits. They simply didn't breed the gaits away, same as in the southeastern part of the USA, as well as in a few other parts of the world. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:54:49 -0500, you wrote: >So, please, don't say that we don't have a >history with gaited horses - ours is a longer contiguous history than >Europe's! Not longer than Iceland's of course - early 10th century ; ) Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] What gait Hunter
. I > think you've said that you ride with a reasonably loose rein...? He > will definitely need to have some freedom to stretch down and out so he > can round his back a little and get some head nod going. What bit do > you use? I mostly ride with a flopping rein, but I sure have some photos that don't show much slack in the rein. He's an entirely different horse at endurance rides. I have not found a bit that works on Hunter. I was (until this horse) a snaffle bit purist, but he was just indredibly fussy in any bit I tried. He'd run right through a snaffle. I consider this a failure in training and worked with him for a year, then just gave up and started using a little S-hack preferred by many endurance riders. It is NOT a control bit at all. Many horses are just too energized to respond to it, but it was an answer to prayer for Hunter. About six months after switching, I noticed a dime-shaped piece out of the corner of his tongue and a long vertical scar - old and well-healed. The poor horse must have had some very nasty mouth accident some time in his past. If I ever encounter another horse that I can't ride in my old favorite French link snaffle, I hope I remember to look inside his mouth. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] sick of being sick
Being sick sucks. Hope you feel better soon. Thanks Lorraine, and I hope you do too. I went to the doctor this morning, and he said I was getting secondary infections from the flu - an ear infection with bronchitis that was on the verge of pneumonia. The good news is that he gave me an antibiotic and a prescription cough syrup, and hopefully that will clear it up for me quickly. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
Yes. we have a tradition to ride these horses. You don't. OH, no, no, no! I don't want to hear that! Gaited horses came to the USA in the 1600's and 1700's (maybe earlier) and they never died out here in the southeast. My grandfather was born in 1875, and he preferred gaited horses. So, please, don't say that we don't have a history with gaited horses - ours is a longer contiguous history than Europe's! >>> Yes, there was a critical article about Icelandic horse riding in the Cavallo magazine. You couldn't even read it, but a picture was enopugh to judge Europeans again. How do you know we couldn't read it? We do have a few Germans on this list, and fwiw, I asked my brother (PhD in languages) to translate parts for me. And btw, I did take German in college...so don't assume that no Americans can read German! I don't pretend to be fluent, not by a long shot, but my brother has taught German classes. Karen Thomas, NC IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Easy Ride Stirrups with cage
> Ouch, Laree, was it you, or someone you were riding with? I hope no > one was badly hurt! Not me, thank goodness and thopugh, quite sore, they came through with no permanent damage. Their horse was sensible enough (and well trained enough) to stop before going too far. -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] What gait Hunter
Since Hunter is a "trotty" horse and I have other stills that look more like foxtrot, I suspect you are right, Karen. Foxtrot can be a really smooth gait, if it's a variation that's closer to running walk on the gait spectrum. It's probably my favorite gait. That slight up and down motion tends to keep my back from locking up. If he's doing one of the more diagonal versions, it probably would be fairly easy to move him just a degree or two closer to center-range. I think you've said that you ride with a reasonably loose rein...? He will definitely need to have some freedom to stretch down and out so he can round his back a little and get some head nod going. What bit do you use? Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] HELP
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:10:15 -0800, you wrote: >Is it too late now? I could make an audio file real quick from a video. NO that would be fine. I've done the interview, but will send her some music etc later. It was only after she left that I realised I completely FORGOT to mention flying pace. Duh. How stupid do I feel... Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] HELP
> Has anyone got a .wav or .mp3 file of Icelandics in tolt? I need it > today, for a radio interview! Is it too late now? I could make an audio file real quick from a video. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] What gait Hunter
> > Can you get more pictures? No - this was taken by a ride photograpger. Honestly, I get the impression from that one picture that > it might be foxtrot, but that particular phase of gait can look similar > between foxtrot and stepping pace. Since Hunter is a "trotty" horse and I have other stills that look more like foxtrot, I suspect you are right, Karen. Twisty does a hard racetrack pace, and Hunter has NEVER done anything remotely like the ungainly Twist. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Easy Ride Stirrups with cage
> The point is that your foot can't slip through the stirrup. That happened recently to a rider using the EZ Ride stirrups w/out the cage and wearing Ariat Terrain boots- she came off and her foot slipped through the stirrup and she was dragged a ways and yes, this is a first hand account - not an I heard someone tell about... :-))- Ouch, Laree, was it you, or someone you were riding with? I hope no one was badly hurt! BTW, the old rodeo guys will tell you that if you ever fall and your foot is stuck in the stirrup, that you should roll to to your belly and your foot will come loose. Now, if that ever happens to me, will I keep my wits about me and actually remember that...? I don't bank on it, so I ride with cages on my stirrups... Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Easy Ride Stirrups with cage
When I was thinking about getting the cages, I remember someone, Raven I think, saying the tapederos or solid front was an advantage when trail riding because sticks/brush could get stuck in the cages. They are a little heavier, but if I ever get brave enough to ride in the winter, they will help keep my feet warm. I bought one pair of the EZ-Rides with tapaderos and I won't buy another. True, the fronts are solid, but their is a significant gap at the top and at the bottom of the tapaderos. A pretty large branch or sapling could easily get caught in that gap. I was quite surprised to see how big the gap was. Plus, they are VERY heavy. I have them on one saddle, and I guess they are ok, but I sure won't buy another pair. What I think might be a better option would be pairing the EZ-rides with cages with a pair of Cashel Cozy Toes. The Cozy Toes have an insert where you can put a warming strip, but you don't HAVE to use the warming material if the weather doesn't call for it. I see that they make them especially for EZ-Rides now too. I bought a pair of western Cozy Toes to add to Cary's EZ rides, which don't have cages. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Cougar scrape
In a message dated 1/21/2008 6:30:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The one I saw was the whole video of the incident taken by someone in the riding party, it was the real deal. Sylvia **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489
Re: [IceHorses] HELP
Gosh...if you do get one...please share it with me. THANKS! Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
Hello again. > > > > > Here, I think he is teaching a younger child to ride?: > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=UcaTx060ApY No, the child is presenting the horse and people are complaining exactly about that. They say kids that young should not present a stallion, since she needs all those hard things to ride him. > > On this video, there are a bunch of comments from viewers. I can't read the > whole thing, > but I see words like catastrophe, thick arms, totally rough, putting the > horse into a mental straight jacket, horse does not deserve such roughness, > hard hands... > Exactly, you can't understand them... IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
Hy, I did NOT want to comment ANY of those posts about walter Feldmann, but I honesrtly can't take this anymore! First you translation is not completly right. What he says is about the hosre its origins, how he trained it, about the potential and that this horse spent quite some time unworked on the pasture, haveing a "vacation", before this video was shot. If you don't know Walter Feldmann who is one of the biggest people in Icelandic Horse riding, shows a lot about what I suspected about a very long time. There are many people that like his style and many that don't like his style, but I guess that occurs in every style of riding, if it is Western, Dressage, Jumping... BUT, always this judjing about us Europeans and how we ride our Icelandics, I really can't hear it anymore. Yes. we have a tradition to ride these horses. You don't. Yes, there was a critical article about Icelandic horse riding in the Cavallo magazine. You couldn't even read it, but a picture was enopugh to judge Europeans again. That there was a huge cry out in the German Icelandic Horse scene, doesn't matter to you... A lot is happening and things change, but in the end, we ride the toelt, we ride the lying pace. By the way haven't seen anybody of you guys on a FEIF qualification. I can't partiucipate either, but at least I am not judging people that can and have horses with the material to do it. Reading here always made me wonder IF I actually want to bring my horses over here. Now, they are coming and I am seriousluy hoping to be able to find traditional Icelandic horse riders, because that horse and its gaits do NOT have to be reinvented. Just my two cents. Yvonne IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] What gait Hunter
So is this a stepping pace? I know it's a black horse at daybreak, but the two legs on the camera side have set down at nearly the same time. Can you get more pictures? >>> I was riding with TWH breeder Amber Applegate one day and she was helping me try to find Hunter's phantom running walk. She said, "There. There he goes." I said, "But Amber, it's not smooth." She looked again and said, "Oh. That's a stepping pace. I was watching the head nod, not the feet." Here's a couple of rules to remember about the head motions. You will probably see at least some head nod with a running walk - but if the horse has a short, high set neck (remember the pics I've sent in of Runa recently) it won't be as noticeable as with a long-necked TWH-type. You will usually get a head nod with a foxtrot, although usually not as deep of a nod as with a running walk. With a stepping pace, you may get some head motion, but it won't be a true up-and-down nod. The head motion will be more of a "v" motion - up to the right, down to the middle, up to the left, down to the middle, etc. Watching the head was very helpful for me when I first started to isolate Sina's various gaits. I had nerve damage from my broken back (thankfully, it's mostly recovered now) and I couldn't reliably feel the subtle differences, but I could see the head motions. I'd like to see more pictures, or a short video that we could grab a series of still shots. Honestly, I get the impression from that one picture that it might be foxtrot, but that particular phase of gait can look similar between foxtrot and stepping pace. All of the gaits have "degrees" - meaning that some foxtrots can be very smooth, and very close to running walk, while other foxtrots get "lumpier" (Liz Grave's word) as they get closer to true trot. With any foxtrot though, you will feel some up-and-down motion under your seat. With a stepping pace, the motion will be distinctly side-to-side, not up and down. All of this is described in Lee Ziegler's book, Easy-Gaited Horses, much more clearly than I can describe it. I can show you a series of stills from some foxtrot videos if you'd like to see them. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1234 - Release Date: 1/20/2008 2:15 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> kirjoitti: > >>>But what has made him more famous is that he has developed a new > breed, Aegidienberger, to try to create "an improved Icelandic". > > > > Wasn't it Walter Feldman Sr. who started the Adgidienberger breed? And > isn't this one his son...? It's usually credited to both of them, Sr. and Jr. (and yes this is the Jr.). Krisse
Re: [IceHorses] Easy Ride Stirrups with cage
On 21/01/2008, Laree Shulman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The point is that your foot can't slip through the stirrup. That > happened recently to a rider using the EZ Ride stirrups w/out the > cage and wearing Ariat Terrain boots- she came off and her foot > slipped through the stirrup and she was dragged a ways and yes, this > is a first hand account - not an I heard someone tell about... :-))-- Our vet was just badly injured last year from the same type of incident. She's been through many surgeries since then as well. She's still not back at work as far as I know, and there is some talk about her not coming back at all. I miss her terribly, but we have a really good vet replacing her. So yesbefore Kevin does a saddle test, I want him safe. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Easy Ride Stirrups with cage
On Jan 21, 2008 9:34 AM, Laree Shulman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > cages. What is the point of that? > > The point is that your foot can't slip through the stirrup. That > happened recently to a rider When I was thinking about getting the cages, I remember someone, Raven I think, saying the tapederos or solid front was an advantage when trail riding because sticks/brush could get stuck in the cages. They are a little heavier, but if I ever get brave enough to ride in the winter, they will help keep my feet warm. -- Anna Southern Ohio
Re: [IceHorses] Easy Ride Stirrups with cage
> Sorry Wanda, I Love mine to death. But I don't have > cages. What is the point of that? The point is that your foot can't slip through the stirrup. That happened recently to a rider using the EZ Ride stirrups w/out the cage and wearing Ariat Terrain boots- she came off and her foot slipped through the stirrup and she was dragged a ways and yes, this is a first hand account - not an I heard someone tell about... :-))-- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] EZ Ride Stirrups
> > I just received the nylon caged version and really like them. I got > mine from Long Rider- > http://www.longridersgear.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=79_32_59 I love the staff at Long Riders. They are so nice there. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Cougar scrape
On Jan 20, 2008 5:40 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In a message dated 1/20/2008 2:22:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Has anyone seen the video about the mule and the cougar? I don't know if it is the same incidence but they have proven that the photos that show the mule with hte cougar dead, that supposedly were from the mule killing the cougar, were photoshopped. Check out Snopes.com -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
