Re: [IceHorses] What Is This Horse Saying?
And, I havn't checked out emotionally, yet, so there is still hope for me. As soon as I'm quiet with this kind of pressure in my mouth, I will be an empty shell. Good point, Susan. I think that the Icelandic Horses who complain about their unfair treatment...well, there's still a lot of hope for them. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] What bit, what bit? What is going on....????
(Darnit! I somehow managed to hit send too early . . . Boy, I guess I'm rusty after my list sabbatical! Sorry) Hi Judy, > I'm trying to get Dakota straighten out with the right saddle, the right bit, etc. . . .However, I use a kimberwick on him right now. It is hard to get him to stop sometimes. He likes to bolt or just plain ignore you. . . .I don't want to go severe because he really is a good boy he just has a tough neck and a mind of his own. Any suggestions?< You're a smart girl not to think you need "bigger" tack. No matter what you buy to gain more leverage, you haven't cured the under-lying problem. The best bit to have in the whole world for controlling a horse is its mind. As I said in my previous one-liner post, it almost soundslike Dakota might be a bit barn sour. But what is surprising is that you are riding with other horses, right? So he is choosing to leave "the herd" to go back home. Hmmm. . . For whatever reason(s), he seems to want the ride (riding) to be over, even to the point of leaving the other horses, which, in my experience is unusual. You mention getting a new saddle, so could saddle fitting issues be causing him pain?(I'm sorry if you've explained where you are with this horse in previous posts -- I've missed them apparently if so, having just tuned back in on a regular basis!) Anyway, once you have ruled out any pain issues, I'd go back to the basics, alone, in a safe enclosure working until I had this horse's mind with you.Only then, would I probably venture back onto the trail.I know many people can work through issues out on the trail, but I'm not one of them. Maybe you are, and if so, more power to you. : ) But my comfort zone would be the pasture or an arena. From there, I'd graduate back to the trail when I had this horse back with me. Have you ever tried clicker training? It's a great way to get that horse's full attention on YOU and what you want, and what you are doing together. As a bonus, it also creates a built-in emergency stop for times when you don't have room for a one-rein stop. I'll be curious to hear what others think! -- Renee M. in Michigan I have a nose band because he eats > everything in site on the trail.I started riding English, but have since > gone back to Western/endurance. Not sure which but not English for > sure. Any suggestions? Let me tell you what he did this weekend > first: we were on a trail trotting away. There is a spot in the > trail that leads down to a waterhole with lots of rocks that we > cross sometimes. Everytime we get near it, he decides he is going > down and through and home. I expected it Saturday and he faked me > out and nearly passed the spot and turned a perfect "L" to he left > with his next and flipped is back end around to the right like a > cutting horse and down in to the water he went. I got him stopped > in the middle of the pond/waterhole and turned him around and went > back up with everyone else, but I well could have done without that > one. Tweaked the back it did. About a mile further on he decided > to buck and bolt. No idea why. That's about it. Judy > > > > IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses > > "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." > > "All truth passes through three stages. > First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. > Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer > > > [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com > [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com > [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo > [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 02/10/2008 12:21 PM > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 02/10/2008 12:21 PM
Re: [IceHorses] What bit, what bit? What is going on....????
Hi Judy, > I'm trying to get Dakota straighten out with the right saddle, the right bit, etc. . . . However, I use a kimberwick on him right now. It is hard to get him to stop sometimes. He likes to bolt or just plain ignore you. . . . I don't want to go severe because he really is a good boy he just has a tough neck and a mind of his own. < It sounds like he's a bit barn sour maybe. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 02/10/2008 12:21 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Canter
here are some videos of nasi cantering: This one looks like it would be pleasant to ride all but the buck :)-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcJDOyfRzIA another: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI8ZFIt3-no This is one of Nasi and Jaspar cantering together and you can kinda see how Jaspar's appears more loose and flowing. He is a pacey horse btw. Has a gorgeous canter to ride. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlCy878_Rdk I will try to get one of Tivar cantering Janice-- courage is being scared to death...and saddling up anyway--John Wayne
RE: [IceHorses] shhhh.... it's a conspiracy
Hi Karen, >>I don't know if Skjoni had ever been ground driven before, but as an almost 11-year-old, been-there-done-that pony, he was a breeze Skjoni was ground driven here because when he arrived he was nervous about things behind him and it is how we start and restart all horses that come here. We start with the neckline driving so there is nothing restricting the head and then put the lines on the halter. We find that once they have done it, as long as they really accepted the lines and were comfortable, it is kind of like riding a bike and they remember pretty quickly. Robyn
Re: [IceHorses] What Is This Horse Saying?
--- Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Let go of my mouth and give me some space. > And, I havn't checked out emotionally, yet, so there is still hope for me. As soon as I'm quiet with this kind of pressure in my mouth, I will be an empty shell. Susan in NV http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Riding for Breast Cancer Awareness Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [IceHorses] Must see video of bridleless rider
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=fZIYM76mYag > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=uGRVhHN60wI Wonder how Stacy would ride Icelandic Horses? Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] "what gait?" pic
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 07:27:57 -0600, you wrote: >if they do a nice easy rocking chair canter in the >field, will they usually under saddle? Yes, that's been my experience. My old horse Solvi had a huge canter in the field and it was really hard to sit on (there's no way you would put a beginner on him for canter). I do find that in general horses which have pace (won't call them 5gaited horses Karen! ; )) usually have softer canters than those that don't. The canter is often 4-beat and lacking in suspension, but very nice to sit on - same as their trot, a lot of the time. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Tips for Identifying Gait
>> http://iceryder.net/gaitfirstphase.html > > doing. It also looks like you have arranged the gaits according to > the gait chart on > http://www.iceryder.net/gaitchart.html (It would be nice to have some photos of trot in here. That's a good idea. Trot phases can be confusing. It'll take me a day or so to get something together. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] barefoot Arizona
Just wanted to chime in here that the Barefoot Arizona I bought from list member, Holly, is VERY comfortable and secure. I LOVE IT and everyone who has rode in it loves it too. My horse loved it as well. For the first time ever I really felt her LIFT her shoulders and come through from behind which has been our NEMESIS in a treed saddle. So now that I know I LOVE treeless and it works for me I am buying a new treeless (Barefoot Sierra). I am listing the Arizona here first if anyone is interested just PM me. $750 for the saddle $100 for the matching Grandeur pad that comes with it. A great way to 'try treeless' and save a bit of $ over a new one. It's what I did! beallp @ wwdb. org PAM
Re: [IceHorses] Strap Around Rear
> >>It is an elastic bandage (half a body wrap) that >> goes around the hindquarters - not tightly but just so it doesn't fall >> down. Our kids' physical therapist, who sadly died recently at age 57, did a lot of "touching" type therapies, including cranial work. She used this same type of body wrap on people. Because our son is severely allergic to latex, he didn't get that type of work, but I think the theory was that it provided sensory information. Is that the idea Robyn? Nancy
[IceHorses] Re: What Is This Horse Saying?
Get thet thug owt ow my mout.
[IceHorses] Re: What Gait / Kolfi and Njorun
> http://iceryder.net/videogaitkolfinjorun.html Lateral gait. Stepping pace perhaps. Sue UK
Re: [IceHorses] O/T Chickens
> > She is gorgeous! Where did you get her? When we are moved into the new > house I want to get chickens. An how do you protect your chickens from > predators? I will probably need a movable coop. We have foxes, coyotes, > racoons, oppossums, etc. > Anneliese > I have predator probs too Annaleise! what I am finding is if I get these smaller bantam types they can fly almost as well as a dove and when something gets after them they just go to the treetops. Also, I have some buff orpingtons, i dont know what there is about them, they are light colored so you would think easy to see and grab in the dark by predators--- but they have a great sense of how to hide or something! also, dont get any bantams or chickens that cant fly, cochins, frizzles etc. They just sit on the ground at night and get grabbed. I recently lucked onto a peacock that is my dream bird color-wise, a silver pied. They are very very expensive as adults, some are 300 bucks! He is a baby and I am protecting him like he is solid gold, keeping him locked up. But he is snow white and just glaring obvious at night but when grown he should be able to fly from a predator to the treetops like my blue peahen. The man I got him from told me I should buy a great pyranees to keep as a guard dog in my pasture and yards, that they will kill anything that comes in. But I am hesitant to take on another large mouth to feed and end up having it whine outside my back door all nite... but he swears it would work. Janice-- courage is being scared to death...and saddling up anyway--John Wayne
RE: [IceHorses] "what gait?" pic
and someday i'll learn to attach things ;) >>I would say she has rather a nice sloping shoulder. I don't dare judge particular conformation traits in moving, tacked horses, so I could well be wrong, but if anything, I would have guessed in that picture that he might have a somewhat upright shoulder. :) It's hard enough to judge from just a picture, but to try to judge a moving, tacked horse is virtually impossible I think. To judge conformation well, the horse needs to be standing in front of you, so you can actually poke and feel the bones and joints. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 2/10/2008 12:21 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Am I from Mars II?
> I think we could just as well go to "no nosebands", raise the level of > education of trainers, and not have any disputes about tightness of > nosebands :-) i still think i'd like to put one on stjarni. it's a decoration, but it shows off the "broken blaze" aspect of his face markings (rather than the more usual "star and snip") and i think his (aka my) vanity is a harmless indulgence that way. since we don't have a throatlatch that fits, i suppose i could make the argument that it might keep us from losing the bridle entirely if it caught on a branch, but i don't really believe that about nosebands anyway. (or throatlatches. or browbands, which we also use, also because i think it's harmless and attractive.) with his winter beard i fasten stjarni's caveson at the loosest hole to avoid pulling hair, and you could stick your whole hand through if you really felt like it. *shrug* then again i am a trainer of riders, not horses, except most incidentally my own (and most of our training is him of me, not the other way around) --vicka
RE: [IceHorses] "what gait?" pic
>>> It seems to be pretty rare for Icelandics to manage a nice slow collected canter. Not here. We don't rush their training and thus, they don't "rush" into their gaits. Of course, we're not trying to do any "collected" canters, not in the true sense of the word. But, nice, relaxed canters? Every Icelandic that we've started here can canter easily, as opposed to some lugging or rushing gallop. I can't think of any Icelandic in my pasture, or who has been in my pasture, who doesn't show both canter and gallop at liberty. >>> Ability, or training? The latter, I think, though some 5gaited horses find it really hard. Overall, I agree with you, Mic, but I'd revise that last sentence to say "pacey horses seem to find it hard to canter." Beyond that, some horses need extra help finding their balance in canter - and that is totally blind to breed or gaitedness. If the rider is out-of-balance, or inexperienced, that can be a huge drag on the horse too. The two worst canters that come to my mind were Mac, the show-trained TWH who was inherently fairly paceyand Sundance, who was big, clunky, tended to fall on the forehandand he was a three-gaited QH. You couldn't ask for two more opposite horses re: gaitedness than Sundance and Mac. In contrast, Joe, the big App who's the other "big" horse (16H-ish) we've owned, has a lovely, easy, relaxed canter - not w/p slow, but one that was perfectly appropriate from the get-go for low-level dressage tests. (We began working him "towards collection" but he was an easy candidate for that discipline.) The gaited horses I've met who really, truly find it hard to canter are the horses who are pacey, the ones who seem to have absolutely no trot in their repertoire. That's another place I think the term "five-gaited confuses things. I am thinking of two Icelandic's (and one little TWH mare) in my pasture at the moment who have the full range of gaits, from trot to pace. Sina is one - she's 13H. Of all the horses I've ridden, any size, any breed, she has the best, easiest canter - true three-beat, relaxed, delightfully smooth, and not rushing-fast. Another is Trausti - also the full range of gaits and the kind of canter that just makes people grin - smooth, soft, and not at blinding speed. Both of these are definitely canter, and not gallop. Oh, they CAN gallop, but they don't feel obligated to rush into it. I could go on and on. Generally, it seems to me that if the horse has a wide NATURAL range of gaits (and that's what "five-gaited" suggests to me, although I think it's often a euphemism for "pacey") then getting a nice canter shouldn't be an issue at all. Holly, my TWH, is also multi-gaited with the full range from trot to pace...and pre-Sina, I said she had the best canter I've ever ridden: smooth, relaxed and balanced feeling from her first attempts under saddle. I think we need to look at canter problems as, at least, two types of problems. One issue would be the tends-to-pace horses, who are so lateral that they can't seem to get a three-beat canter without rushing into gallop. Then we have the horses who need help finding their balance with their canters - be they naturally klutzy, strung-out, insecure, have out-of-balance riders, whatever. The horses of this last type can often be helped to canter more nicely, whereas the pacey ones may simply not have a good canter in them. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 2/10/2008 12:21 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] What bit, what bit? What is going on....????
What kind of saddle are you currently riding him with treed or treeless? and what makes you think that the Bob Marshall saddle will make things better? Pat G., in MN >
[IceHorses] Horse Classifieds
this is too funny not to share with everyone, although sometimes it is too true! Horse Classifieds GLOSSARY OF TERMS * Event Prospect: Big, fast horse * Dressage Prospect: Big, slow horse * Pleasure Prospect: Pretty color * Sporting Prospect: Short, fast horse * Barrel Prospect: Fast horse, which can turn * Endurance Prospect: Fast horse which will turn sometimes * Flashy: White sock * 15'2" hh: 14'3" hh * 16'2" hh: 15'3" hh * Big trot: Can't canter within a two-mile straightaway * Nicely Started: Longes, but we don't have enough insurance to ride him yet * Bold: Runaway * Good Mover: Runaway * Athletic: Runaway * Quiet: Lame in both front legs * Dead Quiet: Lame in all four legs * Good in Traffic (Bombproof): Lame all around, deaf, and blind * Pony type: Small and hairy * Arab Type: Looks startled * Thoroughbred Type: Looks terrified * Quarter Horse Type: Fat * Easy to catch: Dead * Elegant: Thin * Black: Brown and/or dirty * Well-Mannered: Hasn't stepped on, run over, bit, or kicked anyone for a week * Professionally Trained: Hasn't stepped on, run over, bit, or kicked anyone for a month * Clips, Hauls, Loads: Clippity Clippity is the sound his hooves make as he hauls butt across the parking lot when you try to load him. * Should Mature 16 hands : Currently 14 hands, dam is 14'2, sire is 14'3, every horse in his pedigree back 18 generations is under 15 hands, but this horse will defy his DNA and grow. * To Loving Home Only: Expensive * To Show Home Only: Very Expensive * To Good Home Only : Not really for sale unless you can 1) Pay twice what he is worth 2) are willing to sign a 10 page legal document allowing current owner to tuck in beddy-bye every night * For Sale Due to lack of Time: Rider cannot afford to spend any more time in the hospital * Any Vet Check Welcome: Please pay for us to find out what the [EMAIL PROTECTED] is wrong with him! * Recently Vetted: Someone else found something really wrong with this horse. * Must Sell: Spouse has left home and taken kids * All Offers Considered: I am in traction for 6 months
[IceHorses] What bit, what bit? What is going on....????
Hello, I'm trying to get Dakota straighten out with the right saddle, the right bit, etc. I have ordered a Bob Marshall saddle, so I think that will take care of that. However, I use a kimberwick on him right now. It is hard to get him to stop sometimes. He likes to bolt or just plain ignore you. I have a nose band because he eats everything in site on the trail. I don't want to go severe because he really is a good boy he just has a tough neck and a mind of his own. Any suggestions? I started riding English, but have since gone back to Western/endurance. Not sure which but not English for sure. Any suggestions? Let me tell you what he did this weekend first: we were on a trail trotting away. There is a spot in the trail that leads down to a waterhole with lots of rocks that we cross sometimes. Everytime we get near it, he decides he is going down and through and home. I expected it Saturday and he faked me out and nearly passed the spot and turned a perfect "L" to he left with his next and flipped is back end around to the right like a cutting horse and down in to the water he went. I got him stopped in the middle of the pond/waterhole and turned him around and went back up with everyone else, but I well could have done without that one. Tweaked the back it did. About a mile further on he decided to buck and bolt. No idea why. That's about it. Judy
Re: [IceHorses] Am I from Mars II?
> renee, isnt the gap by the ring a separate component of the bridle?? I mean the ring on the dropped noseband itself. > is the noseband like a cavesson? Are they the same thing? with its own separate buckle?? < The dropped nosebands, as this horse was wearing, are a separate piece of tack from the actual bridle the horse wears. In Iceland, the dropped nosebands are slid on after bridling the horse. They are often removed to let the horse graze (even though it still wears its bit) during breaks on treks, for example.They usually buckle over the crown and there is an adjustment around the noseband too. > I am confused as to how this could be > interpreted as loose! Yes, to our eyes, there's no question it's tight. I was just making the observation that some folks -- who ride with this kind of noseband adjustment themselves -- would likely focus on that little gap, decide two fingers would fit under there, and "see" a proper adjustment. Sometimes, it's hard to see what the "other point of view" sees, and in this case, I was just trying to point out what someone else might "see" in that picture, not making an argument myself that that noseband wasn't too tight at all!! No siree!I've never noticed being able to see any airspace before when there's such an obvious dent in the nose, and it struck me that maybe that little tiny gap was what would justify the "fit" for some folks. Sorry, didn't mean to confuse. -- Renee M. in Michigan -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 02/10/2008 12:21 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Charm's Hillside is Gone
Judy, that's a riot. She does not seem happy about that at all! Put back, mom! Bernadette
[IceHorses] Re: Insulin Resistance
You should join the equine cushings group and ask someone there. They have a lot of experience with insulin resistance. I believe that a vet is the moderator of the group! Kristen http://www.barnculture.com
Re: [IceHorses] Must see video of bridleless rider
> > Wonder how Stacy would ride Icelandic Horses? > > I would love her to try that on one of mine. She is incredible. Lorraine Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [IceHorses] O/T Chickens
On Feb 11, 2008, at 8:44 AM, Janice McDonald wrote: >> > I have predator probs too Annaleise! what I am finding is if I get > these smaller bantam types they can fly almost as well as a dove and > when something gets after them they just go to the treetops. Also, I > have some buff orpingtons, i dont know what there is about them, they > are light colored so you would think easy to see and grab in the dark > by predators--- but they have a great sense of how to hide or > something! > t Years ago I got a bunch of bantams and they would actually roost in trees or in the rafters of the barn. They all disappeared anyway. Perhaps it had something to do with us not being here all the time. I am certainly determined to try again. I also found that the raccoons tend to steal the eggs. So I put pin-pong balls into the egg boxes and found them bitten to pieces. Anneliese
[IceHorses] HORSES EVENING OUT
you have to check out this horse gate at craigslist.com Fort Myers under farm and garden its beautiful.
Re: [IceHorses] Trail Ride in MO
> This is a video of a trail ride in MO from Judy on the gaitedhorse list: I am always envious of how pretty the trails ae in the South. Nancy
[IceHorses] An Outing for Charm Today
We went on an outing today. Charm went into this culvert-type area that is overgrown and has a seasonal pond. Here's some pictures: http://iceryder.blogspot.com Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Canter
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:20:34 -0800, you wrote: >Mic, can you get some of the horses over there? ridden and at liberty? You know me, crap at getting videos. Stills, now, no problem! Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
RE: [IceHorses] Strap Around Rear
Hi Nancy, >>> She used this same type of body wrap on people. Because our son is severely allergic to latex, he didn't get that type of work, but I think the theory was that it provided sensory information. Is that the idea Robyn? That is one of the reasons we use it but the concept of sensory integration as what was being accomplished came many years after we started using the bodywraps. One of our instructors is a Physical Therapist and after she attended a sensory integration workshop she came back and told us that was part of what could be happening with the body wrap - which we had been using for about 15 years before that. It was more from the Feldenkrais perspective of finding ways to bring awareness and active unused neural impulses. My sister, Linda, took the Feldenkrais training in the mid 70's and immediately starting applying the theory (the methodology is somewhat different - TTouch is easier to teach people). About 6 years ago Kathy Cascade, our PT who is a Companion Animal TTouch Instructor found a website that had developed a system called TheraTogs which was basically a bodywrap like system but much more costly than using Ace bandages. We have also used wraps on people for years as we do with most things to help people 'feel' what we do with other animals. It is a great tool for riding because it gives people feedback about what their body is doing without have to be telling people. It would be very helpful with Therapeutic Riding. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
Re: [IceHorses] Strap Around Rear
> > > I just wrote to her to ask the purpose of the > strap. > Is the horse's head supposed to be like that? Lorraine Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [IceHorses] Re: What Is This Horse Saying?
On 2/11/08, Susan Coombes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Get thet thug owt ow my mout. > HAHAHA a good one Janice -- courage is being scared to death...and saddling up anyway--John Wayne
[IceHorses] Re: Tips for Identifying Gait
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Judy Ryder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Here are some preliminary tips to help in identifying gaits: > > http://iceryder.net/gaitfirstphase.html Judy, Thank you so much for pulling this together. I am one of those people who always guess "foxy pacolt" for every gait because I have just not been able to figure out when to look at what the legs are doing. It also looks like you have arranged the gaits according to the gait chart on http://www.iceryder.net/gaitchart.html which makes it even easier to follow. (It would be nice to have some photos of trot in here. ;-) )I have printed off this cheat sheet and I am reviewing What Gait pictures. Regards, Pamela Regards, Pamela
[IceHorses] Re: Dakota
> Oh gosh. They're both just darling. > > Nancy > Thanks Nancy. I think so.
[IceHorses] Re: Dakota
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Janice McDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > oh wow, gorgeous, how old?? such long gorgeous legs :) > Janice > Thank you. We are not exactly sure of his age. The best we, the farrier and vet, can tell is that he is 9 or 10. When we got him, they had very little info other than he had been left to himself for quite a while. After reintroducing him to people, I have found him very, very social and loves to go see people or stop on the trail and have people pet him or talk to him *smile*
Re: [IceHorses] What Is This Horse Saying?
> > And, I havn't checked out emotionally, yet, so there > is still hope for me. As soon as I'm quiet with this > kind of pressure in my mouth, I will be an empty shell. Excellent observation, Susan! Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] What bit, what bit? What is going on....????
Hello Judy, Renee gave you some good advice. Ride where you're safe. When you have your saddle issues settled, take some lessons on him, and get some communication going before you take him out on the trail. I had the same type of issues with my old Hreggur. He managed to bolt on me. But he had a lot of health/pain issues that needed to be solved before he settled. Then I began taking lessons on him and he really really improved. We really began to understand each other. (I bet it's a saddle fit issue though) What type of saddle are you using on him now? Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] HORSES EVENING OUT
> you have to check out this horse gate at craigslist.com Fort Myers > under farm and garden its beautiful. Here's the link: http://fortmyers.craigslist.org/grd/570864528.html Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Insulin Resistance
Karen, was it you that had a horse that had insulin resistance, but was not overweight? My neighbour has a troublesome horse that she can't keep weight on and his front feet are 'ouchy'. I immediately thought of insulin resistance, but that was when she wondered whether he shouldn't be overweight. I've known a few humans that discovered they had diabetes but they were thin as rails... Wanda -- Save the earth, it's the only place to get chocolate.
RE: [IceHorses] Strap Around Rear
Hi Judy >>>"I use the strap only now and then to make the horse more aware of his backpart. It is a very flexible bandage and it helps the horse 'feel' his hind legs better. This helps the tolt." We have lots of TTEAM practitioners in Europe so it is not surprising to see this. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
Re: [IceHorses] barefoot Arizona
> Just wanted to chime in here that the Barefoot > Arizona I bought from list I also own one and love it. Lorraine Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[IceHorses] Must see video of bridleless rider
bareback ...wmv (6.0 MB) http://youtube.com/watch?v=fZIYM76mYag http://youtube.com/watch?v=uGRVhHN60wI Lorraine
Re: [IceHorses] Am I from Mars II?
On 2/11/08, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > renee, isnt the gap by the ring a separate component of the bridle?? > is the noseband like a cavesson? Are they the same thing? with its > own separate buckle?? I am confused as to how this could be > interpreted as loose! nevermind Renee, I see what you mean now, not the big ring attached to a separate thing but the little ring above the noseband. I guess some could use it as an argument. but to me, its kinda like if I wore a belt so tight it was cutting me in half, and then on top of that, loose suspenders Janice -- courage is being scared to death...and saddling up anyway--John Wayne
Re: [IceHorses] Am I from Mars II?
renee, isnt the gap by the ring a separate component of the bridle?? is the noseband like a cavesson? Are they the same thing? with its own separate buckle?? I am confused as to how this could be interpreted as loose! Janice -- courage is being scared to death...and saddling up anyway--John Wayne
Re: [IceHorses] "what gait?" pic
> > It seems to be pretty rare for Icelandics to manage a nice slow > collected canter. Ability, or training? The latter, I think, though > some 5gaited horses find it really hard. > > Mic > do you happen to know, being as you have a lot of experience riding DIFFERENT icies... if they do a nice easy rocking chair canter in the field, will they usually under saddle? Cause nasi has an almost lazy relaxed easy going canter sometimes. Then he also has the scooter powerhouse take off canter Tivar has also. I bet there is something in their conformation that causes them to have this power canter... my walking horses don't, none of them. Some have more easy going canters than others but there is a huge difference in the speed and power of a canter and a gallop with them, whereas with Tivar it seems a fine line, even in the field. I have not seen him do an easy going canter in the field either btw. Janice-- courage is being scared to death...and saddling up anyway--John Wayne
[IceHorses] Trail Ride in MO
This is a video of a trail ride in MO from Judy on the gaitedhorse list: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo9Pkdv-ahQ Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Must see video of bridleless rider
Wonder how Stacy would ride Icelandic Horses? I think most people would ride an Icelandic Horse basically like they ride any horse...which hopefully means treating each horse as the individual he is, regardless of breed. Karen Thomas, NC
[IceHorses] Re: Dakota
> > That little granddaughter has great taste in boots... > > Does a blue ribbon mean first place for you crazy Americans? What was > the ribbon for? Thanks Wanda! Yes, a blue ribbon is first place. They all get a first in lead line *smile* I'm not sure that is a good thing because then they always expect to get a blue and as we all know, that just doesn't happen.
Re: [IceHorses] Insulin Resistance
> My neighbour has a troublesome horse that she can't keep weight on and > his front feet are 'ouchy'. I immediately thought of insulin > resistance, but that was when she wondered whether he shouldn't be > overweight. Hi Wanda, I have a horse with Cushings and IR does often go hand in hand with Cushings. A horse does not have to be overweight to be IR. My horse was about 100 lbs underweight when he I adopted him and he was diagnosed shortly thereafter. Here is a snip from a site on IR : Effects of Insulin Resistance Insulin resistance may result in: ·Loss of weight ·Loss of muscle ·Lack of stamina ·A condition similar to human Type II diabetes ·Laminitis Here is the link: http://www.canr.uconn.edu/ansci/ext/insulinresistance.htm IR can be controlled with a strict diet - no sugars, starches, grains, grass etc. Sarah in MT
Re: [IceHorses] Insulin Resistance
Karen, was it you that had a horse that had insulin resistance, but was not overweight? You're probably thinking about my Sundance, who fluxuated between being an "average keeper" to a "hard keeper" during the 13 years I had him. He had Cushing's, not IR, although research suggests there might be some connection between them. Just before he had his bout of laminitis, he lost a good bit of weight. We treated the laminitis aggressively (calling the vet at the first signs of ouchy feet). We had him tested for Cushing's (positive) and once he went on the Cushing's meds (cyproheptadine then, although Pergolide seems to be first choice these days) he maintained a decent weight (still slender, but not bony) and he never had another laminitis attack. He did eventually develop other symptoms, despite the meds. He lived five years after his diagnosis, with the first 2-3 years almost symptom-free. Holly, my TWH, also had two laminitis bouts, hers about 12 years ago, and we treated her for a thyroid condition. Knowing what we know now, she was probably IR, but the thyroid meds relieved her symptoms nonetheless. I consider laminitis an acute emergency. If you get the vet and farrier to treat it during the acute phase, the chances of it not progressing to founder seem reasonably good. Out of Holly's two bouts and Sundance's one, neither had any long-term rotation of the coffin bone, and both returned to being barefoot within a couple of months of their attacks. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] "what gait?" pic
On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 19:37:55 -0600, you wrote: >you'd think a shorter horse would have less >"power" but he seems to have more power in a canter than my big horses >have in a gallop. It seems to be pretty rare for Icelandics to manage a nice slow collected canter. Ability, or training? The latter, I think, though some 5gaited horses find it really hard. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Trail Ride in MO
>>> This is a video of a trail ride in MO from Judy on the gaitedhorse list: >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo9Pkdv-ahQ My African Gray enjoyed that. She started whistling along with Judy's husband at the end. :) Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Am I from Mars II?
Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>one could still likely get two fingers beneath such a noseband, and > >>>therefore, it could be called "properly adjusted" with the indenting we > >>>see just being the horse's hair being compressed.<<< > > I think we could just as well go to "no nosebands", raise the level of > education of trainers, and not have any disputes about tightness of > nosebands :-) Absolutely! Wouldn't that be grand. . . It was just interesting to me, that in this particular picture, you could see that little gap under the ring even though the dent in the horse's nose was so obvious.In some circles, that little gap would be used as "evidence" that indeed, that noseband was "properly adjusted" because it might be possible to squeeze two fingers beneath it. -- Renee M. in Michigan
Re: [IceHorses] Dakota
oh wow, gorgeous, how old?? such long gorgeous legs :) Janice -- courage is being scared to death...and saddling up anyway--John Wayne
RE: [IceHorses] "what gait?" pic
Not here. We don't rush their training and thus, they don't "rush" into their gaits. Of course, we're not trying to do any "collected" canters, not in the true sense of the word. But, nice, relaxed canters? Every Icelandic that we've started here can canter easily, as opposed to some lugging or rushing gallop. I can't think of any Icelandic in my pasture, or who has been in my pasture, who doesn't show both canter and gallop at liberty. I should l put one disclaimer on that statement I made. I bought my Icelandics with pace in mind - or rather, the lack of it. I don't care if my horses have some lateralness in their gait range (saddle rack and even a LITTLE step-pace can be pretty cool), but we learned the hard way how difficult an inherently pacey can be. We loved old Mac dearly, and he had many wonderful qualities...but because he couldn't canter, or even trot easily, it was risky to jump him, and he never developed a canter. We were limited in what we could do with him. (His gallop did however, become less appalling with time.) I saw a few really pacey horses when I was looking for Icelandic's, but having owned Holly (a multi-gaited TWH with a good trot) and Mac, who could pace, step-pace and occasionally manage a little running walk - I KNEW which kind of horse was more appealing. I passed on buying any Icelandic's that I knew to be pacey. I wanted strong gaits...but to me, a horse doesn't have to be pacey to be "strongly gaited." Another think I've always suspected: "five-gaited" horses, meaning ones who have been traditionally trained, have been trained to PACE. I have always suspected that training pace will detract from a horse's ability to canter. I can actually USE a canter, but I don't have much use for pace, so guess I train, and which I don't. Since I don't encourage pace, I can't say that for sure, but it seems to me that training pace could confuse the horse, or even encourage a more lateral "muscle memory." I don't know that, I'm just speculating. But, for whatever reason, it seems odd that I see no problem at all with Icelandic's cantering (overall, across the breed) where I've heard many people say what Mic said. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 2/10/2008 12:21 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] "what gait?" pic
On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 09:19:49AM +, Mic Rushen wrote:
> >you'd think a shorter horse would have less
> >"power" but he seems to have more power in a canter than my big horses
> >have in a gallop.
>
> It seems to be pretty rare for Icelandics to manage a nice slow
> collected canter. Ability, or training? The latter, I think, though
> some 5gaited horses find it really hard.
i've ridden two five-gaited icelandics (stjarni and litfrida from the
vermont icelandic horse farms) who had darling slow canters.
both are way more available on the trail. litfrida liked to canter
uphill, and would do so in a very smooth, gentle, slow manner, and would
always drop to her walk two strides before i wanted to :)
stjarni i think had not been ridden in a ring much before i got him, and
when i first started riding him seemed to think that cantering in such a
tiny space was sheer madness ("but there's about to be something IN THE
WAY!") at any speed. he has a very long stride anyway, and his
preferred canter is not quick-strided, but it is fast and not all that
easy to turn, i think. but doing a lot of trail riding where he is one
of the faster-gaited horses, but needing to stay behind shower (the
ex-racehorse barnmate who likes to lead or race, but not follow) he's
developed this precious, silky little canter i call his "catch-up
canter". it is slow, and clearly designed to maximize his time at the
canter between my asking him to tolt or trot at the front of the (by
then usually trotting and a few cantering) rest of the group, and
getting close to shower, where of course he has to slow down again. it
feels very different from his ordinary canter, which is not more
energetic, just covers a lot more ground with each stride. now if only
i can convince him he can do that in our ringmaybe come spring.
i do not claim either photographic evidence or enough expertise in what
you mean by "nice slow collected canter" but i'd call both of these that.
--vicka
Re: [IceHorses] What Is This Horse Saying?
Let go of my mouth and give me some space. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] "what gait?" pic
>and someday i'll learn to attach things ;) > I would say she has rather a nice sloping shoulder. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Charm's Hillside is Gone
when Traveller was a year old I had a horse psychic do a reading on him. She said "he wants you to know he loves the hills". i was convinced she was a fraud then because we have no hills in fla. Then i told my husband and he laughed and said "I always take him for walks and he loves to go up and down the big clay pile so I let him do it over and over " haha. So they do love hills. maybe you could make her a new one?? speaking of weirdness. I went and got three little cedar trees to plant over gallant boys grave and before i could get a fence around them curly ray walked out and snatched them up one by one. he would snatch them up and sling them thru the air as if in disgust like "whats this crap she's got planted here desecrating poor gallant boy..." Janice-- courage is being scared to death...and saddling up anyway--John Wayne
Re: [IceHorses] What Is This Horse Saying?
Ouch!! My mouth hurts? Lorraine Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [IceHorses] Canter
> horses which have pace usually have softer canters than those that don't. > The canter is often > 4-beat and lacking in suspension, but very nice to sit on - same as heir > trot, a lot of the time. We should try to compile some videos of the different types of canters. Mic, can you get some of the horses over there? ridden and at liberty? Thanks! Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] He's so adorable...
oh they are so prescious! Janice-- courage is being scared to death...and saddling up anyway--John Wayne
