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Here's one of my old competition horse Solvi being ridden by his now owner Michael. Solvi has competed at 3 world championships and is now in his mid-twenties - he very much likes being a schoolmaster. Mic what a great shot! Bia
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- Original Message - From: Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here's one of my old competition horse Solvi being ridden by his now owner Michael. Now look at that perfectly timed trot . . .None of the oddball leg position or off hoof-angle trots we've seen in professional show-ring shots.This kid could teach a few professional riders a thing or two I think. . . -- Renee M. in Michigan
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Here's one of my old competition horse Solvi Cute! Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
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Here are some clicker videos of Leslie Pavlich, which include bridleless riding, colt starting, platform, playing with a large ball, and dancing. http://iceryder.net/videoclickerleslie.html Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
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i fail to understand the relevance of your metaphor. hahaha thants a good one! I am gonna use that one next time some citizen calls me at work and says i am an oxymoron. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
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sidepull or the neck ring. We did sidepassing, turns on the forehand and a little trail riding down the hill with just the sidepull. Put the bit on him this fall and he wouldn't stop chomping and messing with it. He likes his sidepull better and I finally feel like I've got about as much control, if not more control as I did with the bit. it's too icy right now for stjarni to go barefoot in the ring, but last night i taught a lesson to my student with the quarab. we did a bunch of groundwork in a halter, then put two leadropes on the halter and my student rode that way for awhile (first time). the horse was plenty maneuverable, and fine for walk/halt/walt transitions. when the weather is a little nicer we will try him at some more gaits. if nothing else i think this indicates we can at least move him on to a gentler bit -- he's been in the single-joint rubber d for awhile, i will try him in stjarni's french link next. (this is down from a prickly-port shanked western curb a year ago.) --vicka
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On Jan 10, 2008 3:07 PM, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you get on them with just the little Rubbermaid stool? Yes, I do have to hop up, land on my belly and slide over. You'd think that the extra 10 inches would be able to be overcome, but I've tried to mount from the ground and just can't get up there. I've tried the jump and swing the leg over, but I seem to keep kicking the poor guy in the side. I can't keep trying because it just seems mean. If I jump and lay over his back I just don't get my hips up high enough to be able to swing my leg over. Oh well, I am only 5'1 with short legs. Even petite or short length pants are almost too long. -- Anna Southern Ohio
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Is anyone working on bridleless riding? Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
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I have the horse and bought the liberty neck ring goodie from TTouch, but you could successfully grow rice in my riding ring right now, so it will be a late Spring event. Twist is my sweet horse who can be led just about anywhere without a halter. When he was at Creekside, I could walk from the riding ring, over a bridge and up the road to the barn without anything on him at all. Twist would also be a terrific candidate for my first adventure into clicker training. And I guess I could be doing that right now. Bear like, I'm inclined to slow way down in the winter. Nancy
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On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 09:47:02 -0800, you wrote: Is anyone working on bridleless riding? I'm working on bridleless, saddleless, horseless riding at the moment with this bloody flu... Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
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On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 09:47:02AM -0800, Judy Ryder wrote: Is anyone working on bridleless riding? me. i don't usually do a whole session with the bridle off, but i spend part of each ride with the reins tied off loosely and run through my saddle's carrying strap. i also have my students (of all levels) do the same. (with stjarni or otherwise; there are horses i might not try this on but not any i currently teach.) so far stjarni is quite good at walk on and whoa. steering a cones course is more iffy but somewhat doable. we can also do circles (of moderate roundness and indeterminate size) and change directions (quite well actually). lateral work is totally not there, and i haven't tried any of the other gaits, b/c stjarni is barefoot, our ring is icy, and we rarely have been *doing* other gaits. i have not tried bridleless on the trail yet at all. one of my students (the one with the leased quarab) has gotten a bit further with the gaits without bridle (though not the steering), and can get absolutely the loveliest trot-walk transition that way. (this horse was tremendously head-tossy when i started with them, and we've gotten that down to one downward stretch of the neck on the trot-walk transition with the bridle. but his head is perfectly easy and relaxed when no reins are involved at all, though it may take twenty strides to get the transition rather than three, it is much more beautiful when it happens. --vicka
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On Jan 9, 2008, at 12:47 PM, Judy Ryder wrote: Is anyone working on bridleless riding? 2 of my daughters will often just grab a stick in the pasture and jump on their horses and go for a ride. They learned to ride from the start with Parelli. Meg
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me. i don't usually do a whole session with the bridle off, but i spend part of each ride with the reins tied off loosely and run through my saddle's carrying strap. i also have my students (of all levels) do the same. (with stjarni or otherwise; there are horses i might not try this on but not any i currently teach.) but i thought starnji just recently took off for the barn when a student dropped reins to adjust a glove or something didnt he?? Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
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but i thought starnji just recently took off for the barn when a student dropped reins to adjust a glove or something didnt he?? yup. she wasn't having a lesson though. she's only done bridleless in the ring, and i rather suspect that she just dropped her reins and spent several minutes fiddling (though i wasn't there, she does tend to get distracted sometimes while mounted). i've done no more than a few moments without reins on the trail myself, and i'm generally fairly attentive to stjarni when i do it; i wouldn't say we've really worked on no-reins riding outside the ring. (though he has never taken off towards the barn with me either.) --vicka
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but i thought starnji just recently took off for the barn when a student dropped reins to adjust a glove or something didnt he?? or as i simply put it in my original letter and you somehow failed to quote: i have not tried bridleless on the trail yet at all. --vicka
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I'm working on bridleless, saddleless, horseless riding at the moment with this bloody flu... Mic I'm sorry, Mic! I hope you're better soon. My husband just called and said he's on the way home from work early. He's come down with a nasty stomach-bug - yuck! Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1214 - Release Date: 1/8/2008 1:38 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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i have not tried bridleless on the trail yet at all. just seems tho a horse wouldnt take to bridle-less too well if it gallops back to the barn just because you stopped to adjust a glove. I can drop reins and Tivar and Jaspar will walk over and start grazing. ButTivar headed back to the barn when my daughter rode him and I think it was because he was upset someone new was riding him. Whatever the reason, maybe she did something wrong, whatever, he was uncomfortable with it and wanted to go HOME. She said later she was afraid of him and no doubt he picked up on that... I have found also, my horses behave better on the trail than at home. If the paddock is in view they are sorta uninspired for lack of a better word! I just feel there is a similarity between riding bridle less and being able to let go of the reins a minute to fiddle with something, dont you? In both cases the horse is being cued with legs/seat and behaving without steering mechanisms. or misbehaving as the case may be. I have to direct rein my Stonewall for instance even tho he is perfectly fine tuned at neck reining and leg reining. I have to direct rein him tho because he waits til he has a couple of inches wiggle room and zee whirls or does something nutty. i think he needs ritalin. But i would no more try to ride bridle-less with him than try to parasail into an active volcano. I would not hesitate to ride Tivar or jaspar tho, in fact i woukdnt even worry about it. janice yipie tie yie yo
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I just feel there is a similarity between riding bridle less and being able to let go of the reins a minute to fiddle with something, dont you? In both cases the horse is being cued with legs/seat and behaving without steering mechanisms. or misbehaving as the case may be. I think there is somewhat of a similarity...except that ALL horses with any degree of training should be able to stand while someone makes a minor adjustment in their clothing, grabs a sip of water, whatever, but that I wouldn't really expect so many riders to be prepared to ride totally bridleless. I'd say that being able to drop the reins is a very basic skill for any horse/rider pair though. I sure wouldn't let a small child ride any horse I own out of my sight...no, I started to say unless I knew the horse could be trusted to stand still, but actually, I simply wouldn't let any small child ride a horse I own out of my sight on the trail...period. Too much can go wrong, for the horse or for the kid. And liability of a child riding out of my sight on one of my horses? Or would I let a small child ride bridleless on one of my horses? Both just makes me shudder. I don't think that would be covered under the umbrella liability-free scenarios the signs posted on my property refer to. *I* would eventually like to get to the point I can ride bridle-less. I would like to say my skills are to that point. I drop the reins for extended periods now, but if I do it, I will only do it on my own horses, but I won't encourage anyone else to do it on my horses. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1214 - Release Date: 1/8/2008 1:38 PM
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i have not tried bridleless on the trail yet at all. I certainly wasn't planning to do any bridleless trail riding on purpose. Have had a couple of incidents over 40 years that resulted in some bridleless riding out of the riding ring, but I don't think it's a particularly great idea. I rode with a trainer friend as she took her young Arab gelding on his first ever endurance ride. Somehow at the vet check (15 miles from the trailers) someone picked up her snaffle bit and disappeared with it. Since we really needed to continue on, she rode him home in his halter. He was really truly amazing, but even that left her with a modicum of control. I did offer her my bridle in an act of very couragous generosity, but I suspect she thought I needed it more than she did. Nancy
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Is anyone working on bridleless riding? Some pictures: http://www.soy-libertad.com/galerie.htm http://www.soy-libertad.com/technique.htm Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
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. Too much can go wrong, for the horse or for the kid. And little kids just do the goofiest things. I put 10 year old Nikki up on Tosca, and Tosca was just great with her - this was way before I asked Bev to ride the young mare. Nikki was fussing and fussing and fussing with a burr in her riding tights or something, at the mounting bloak with the very green pony just standing there. Finally I said, Nikki - what ARE you doing? She really didn't understand tha picking up her reins and paying some attention to her mount might be a good idea. Nancy
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Wonderful photos. I love the horses ability to carry himself in a balanced way and I love the rider's seat and hands (or lack of). Would that I could ride so well. Nancy
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On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 02:31:36PM -0600, Janice McDonald wrote: i have not tried bridleless on the trail yet at all. just seems tho a horse wouldnt take to bridle-less too well if it gallops back to the barn just because you stopped to adjust a glove. i wasn't there, but i suspect my student's inattention lasted rather longer than that. stjarni does do fine with this in the ring, but he is definitely on the goey side and would far rather gallop than graze, especially given that this is winter in new england and there isn't any grass. however, even if he never does go bridle-less on the trail, we're definitely having a fun and interesting time playing with it in the ring, and i have no intention of stopping our experimentation with it. --vicka
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On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 04:49:25PM -0500, Karen Thomas wrote: I think there is somewhat of a similarity...except that ALL horses with any degree of training should be able to stand while someone makes a minor adjustment in their clothing, grabs a sip of water, whatever, but that I wouldn't really expect so many riders to be prepared to ride totally bridleless. I'd say that being able to drop the reins is a very basic skill for any horse/rider pair though. i admit that i've done that plenty of times (incl. not-so-minor changes as taking off or putting on a coat) and stjarni just stands there or walks on, as the case may be. but we haven't tried that bridleless, and i do try to keep one hand at least looped through the reins while doing it. I sure wouldn't let a small child ride any horse I own out of my sight this student of mine is thirteen, so somewhere between small and adult, i guess. when i was thirteen i had my own horse and i don't think i ever rode in any supervisory sight at all, as i had no instructor and my parents are uninterested in horses. i had my adventures (and i think now my student has had one of her own), but neither i nor my pony came to harm. --vicka
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On 09/01/2008, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some pictures: http://www.soy-libertad.com/galerie.htm http://www.soy-libertad.com/technique.htm Nice. One thing I noticed about that horse is that s/he has her nose stretched a mile long. Her brain must be engaged. When Dagur does that, he's thinking and trying really really hard. Wanda
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And little kids just do the goofiest things. I put 10 year old Nikki up on Tosca, and Tosca was just great with her - this was way before I asked Bev to ride the young mare. Nikki was fussing and fussing and fussing with a burr in her riding tights or something, at the mounting bloak with the very green pony just standing there. Finally I said, Nikki - what ARE you doing? She really didn't understand tha picking up her reins and paying some attention to her mount might be a good idea. Yep, sounds pretty typical! Emily was a very mature child by that age...but she was still a kid. We let her, even encouraged her to do a few things in the ring - which actually was a pasture in those days - giving her more freedom as she gained skills. She rode bareback, with just a halter and lead sometimes, but only under supervision, until she was much older. By the time she hit her teens, we gave her more freedom of course...but she was OUR kid, riding one of OUR horses on OUR property. She knew she'd be disciplined if she was irresponsible, and we trusted her, and we knew our horses. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1214 - Release Date: 1/8/2008 1:38 PM
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this student of mine is thirteen, so somewhere between small and adult, i guess. when i was thirteen i had my own horse and i don't think i ever rode in any supervisory sight at all, as i had no instructor and my parents are uninterested in horses. i had my adventures (and I think now my student has had one of her own), but neither i nor my pony came to harm. Hmm, you described her as a child in the first e-mail. You even mentioned that you'd put a ponying line on her saddle, in case she needed to be ponied. Based on that, it sounded like she was pretty young, and certainly not used to going on the trail alone. Quite a different impression in the first e-mail than a teenager out having adventures. i had my adventures (and I think now my student has had one of her own), but neither i nor my pony came to harm There were no seatbelts when I was growing up either, but I certainly use them now. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1214 - Release Date: 1/8/2008 1:38 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 06:51:42PM -0500, Karen Thomas wrote: Hmm, you described her as a child in the first e-mail. You even mentioned that you'd put a ponying line on her saddle, in case she needed to be ponied. Based on that, it sounded like she was pretty young, and certainly not used to going on the trail alone. Quite a different impression in the first e-mail than a teenager out having adventures. *shrug* she is thirteen. that said this was her first trail ride on stjarni under her dad's supervision, and it's not hard to leave a line on a horse. (i *think* she may have ridden stjarni on the trail when we were at our old barn, but that would have been in a larger group and under my own supervision, and over a year of lessons ago for her.) i had my adventures (and I think now my student has had one of her own), but neither i nor my pony came to harm There were no seatbelts when I was growing up either, but I certainly use them now. i fail to understand the relevance of your metaphor. --vicka
