Re: [IceHorses] Saddles for Icelandic Horses
More about why we choose not to use "icelandic" saddles: Jineta and brida style riding and saddles: Jineta saddles and jineta style riding is balanced riding where the saddle has stirrups more centered, which allows for the rider to be balanced and in alignment from shoulder, hip, heel. "The jineta saddle promotes loin coiling in the horse, ensuring his comfort and mobility including that of his rider." (Quote from the Conquerors.) Brida saddles and brida style riding is heavy to the rear, feet forward, riding the horse's face. "Brida" is short for "riding from the hand". "The rider's weight pressing down on the tabs crushed the horse's loins, ensuring that he maintain a hollow back, a high head position, and often, a forced ambling gait." (Quote from the Conquerors.) Icelandic saddles are brida style. This is not necessarily a good thing for the horse. We should be looking to use balanced saddles on our Icelandic Horses. http://iceryder.blogspot.com/2008/05/jineta-and-brida-riding-and-saddles.html Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
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Hi Skye >>That would be great as I would really like to learn what specifically some peoples opinion about would be. And how can you tell from a pic? Having ridden in and own(ed) a variety of saddles with a big interest in saddle fit for over 20 years I would say that initially the saddle looks like it might fit like a glove. But while I would have once thought that was a good thing (and lots of saddle fitters do think that), having met Carol Brett about 8 years ago I started looking at saddle fit differently. Having a wide enough tree so that even when there is a rider on you can easily (that being the key word) slide your hand down the front of the saddle between the tree point and the horse with room. The Balance idea is that the tree should be wide enough and then you use padding to fill in (obviously it can't be so wide that it sits on the withers without padding but the saddle should not sit correctly without padding. Their padding system is really clever because you can layer the pads, with Velcro, and as the horse builds muscle (and they can only build muscle if there is enough room and are ridden correctly) you end up taking out padding. It doesn't make sense to me that when a saddle fitter comes out every six months or whatever, that they should be adding padding. If a horse is building muscle they should be taking it out. So I have ended up with 4 different models of Balance saddles - my most used being the Zenith. Some people and horses really like these saddles and other don't - just like any saddle. Before the Balance saddles I was also using and exploring treeless saddles at the same time. Christine has a leather bareback pad that Goertz used to make and still uses quite a bit. I don't like the stirrup placement but she loves it. Starting in about 1998 I started trying the Diddi pads and other Icelander variations of treeless saddles and used the Diddi pads for quite a few years. I then bought an Ansur and Torsion - which were okay. I first saw the Sensations, Dana's saddles in the early 2000's and bought my first one about 5 years ago (can't really remember). In between I tried various other saddles including just one model of Duett - which I found too narrow and the wrong shape (I think they have since added a different tree shape) I have not used the Astund saddles and know that many people really like them. I do know that the Icelanders have been making saddles with relatively wider trees and shorter saddles over the past years. I used to but Goertz saddles - first with the extended bars and then with no bars and always in their x wide trees which at the time were much wider than any of the Icelandic style saddles you could buy. When I started using other treed and treeless saddles the biggest thing for me was the change in the horses. They had not been a problem in the Goertz saddles but they were so much better in the wider or treeless saddles it was very evident. The one problem was that once they were accustomed to a different fitting saddle they were no longer as happy in the other saddles. Therefore, they sit in the back of my tack room. I think people do the best they can and I think that saddle fit has always been one of the biggest issues for horses (along with feet, teeth). I also think that some horses are less sensitive than others and they get used to something and it works pretty well for them. I really look for behaviors such as how easy the horse is to catch, what is their response when they see the saddle and are being saddled (do they stand quietly and relaxed - and not when cross-tied; do they move around); what is their response to the girth; do they stand quietly for mounting; can they stand still after being mounted or do they need to move and can when they move can they walk quietly or do they go off quickly? How the rider sits in the saddle and rides will also make a tremendous difference to how they feel about the saddle - a great saddle with a rider who is unbalanced and hangs on the reins can be worse than a less than ideal saddle with a balanced rider - at least IME. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
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you just seem very similar to me, and I found the sensation hybrid doesnt slip, feels secure etc. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
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> The sensation is a cross between a treed and a treeless? Do not > know much about it maggie posted a gorgeous hybrid she has on ebay, dont know if it sold yet!! It had the longer seat! If it didnt sell maybe she would work something out with you. it was an awesome saddle, brand new, with sorta mahogany brown on black. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
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> OK, how about if some saddle-fit-knowledgeable people give some > input on the saddle fit? > > I can send the picture to a couple of lists for their opinions. That would be great as I would really like to learn what specifically some peoples opinion about would be. And how can you tell from a pic? Saddle makers need to come out or do a specific template to figure this stuff out. Of course you can tell some stuff with a picture, but really, this saddle seems to fit him well, even with being worked. Skye Fire Island Eco-Treks-808-443-6085 Fire Island Professional Farrier Service-640-6080
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>> Of course I knew that it would be said that it did not fit him OK, how about if some saddle-fit-knowledgeable people give some input on the saddle fit? I can send the picture to a couple of lists for their opinions. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
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skye, i dont know how big you are and I wouldnt ask you for details, but I personally am huge :) And my sensation hybrid fits great. Now, it doesnt fit like it probably SHOULD, but it fits fine. My fat is pretty squishy for lack of a better word. When someone asked if I felt a bigger one would be better i actually thought why? my fat would just spread out and fill it up again. Its like wearing tight jeans. they sorta hold me in. I am right at the weight limit they suggest shouldnt ride a sensation and I do ok in it. and I feel secure in it. I didnt in the G3 trail model, but I do in the hybrid. I dont pretend to know whether this saddle in the pic fits your horse but i will say this--- i think its kinda comical all these discussions about how hard it is to saddle fit icelandics. it aint hard at all. its hard to saddle fit a complicated horse like my jaspar who needs a wide tree in front, a normal tree in the back, and complete 100% spine clearance always even with a pad. Now THATS a saddle fit issue. With an icelandic you shouldnt even have to measure, you should be able just to go to a saddle place and say "I want the widest saddle on the planet custom fitted even wider" because honestly, how many icelandics can you say will take anywhere near a standard tree. How these horses have been ridden for centuries is beyond me, in those little tiny narrow saddles that can in no way fit one... I bought an icelandic saddle even before I bought an icelandic horse, and i put it on my Jaspar and I had to take him back to the barn after twenty minutes cause he started acting like a head tossy bratty dancy jerk and he is the most deadbroke horse on the planet. I have the wide tree thorowgood and it perches even on nasi, who is a 3 year old. If i won the lotto and could buy any saddle i wanted I would have Dave Grenadek at Aboutthehorse.com custom make me a treed saddle, or i would find a treeless i felt ok in. I think its only a matter of time before treeless makers catch on that all americans are fat and happy and like to ride fat and happy horses and they are gonna come up with a reasonable solution where a treeless will have some sort of tree that will have weight carrying ability etc and not slip with heavier people and not have a lot of excess saddle stuff on so it will shorten the overall length of the saddle for the horse's comfort. also, like in your saddle, one problem is the girth is too far back, would help if some saddle maker could make it adjustable etc. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
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--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, this saddle is not a wide tree. I would have to say that > saddle does not fit him. > > There are a few things to look at; maybe we can toss this around, > if it's OK with you; otherwise we can talk in generalities. Of course I knew that it would be said that it did not fit him, but would like to know why you think that from just a picture. As we are here and can feel if the saddle bridges across his back...if it digs in the front or rear, if it has dry pressure points at any location along his back after riding,, it does not slip forward or backwards, rub him in any way. The seat comes up in the front a little, but the tree does not narrow to pinch him, and we check that while I am sitting in itso what piece do you believe am I missing? I could take off the saddle and take a pic of the underside to show you the tree...it is pretty wide. Skye And no, I do not think a treeless or bareback is for me... Fire Island Eco-Treks-808-443-6085 Fire Island Professional Farrier Service-640-6080
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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 1/1/2008 6:24:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > What size is the seat on that saddle you showed? Sylvia I can measure it tomorrow...on the larger/longer side thats for sure. If I ever sell trausti, I will have to sell the saddle with him...as even some of the dressage saddles did not fit him either...the ones that did, well no support for meso this was the best fit... Too late to go back out into the barn and find a tape measure Skye Fire Island Eco-Treks-808-443-6085 Fire Island Professional Farrier Service-640-6080
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On 01/01/2008, Skye and Sally ~Fire Island <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > He is big everywhere so we need a wide tree that would work for him. If you want to see wide, you should see Elska's shoulders. I'm not sure there is any treed saddle in the world what would fit her properly. We did have a wintec with an extra wide gullet, but even that made her pacey. Cara now has a Sensation G3 endurance that Elska moves out very nicely in. (Judy has pics of Elska's back somewhere on her website.) I'll go see if I can find it. Wanda
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>>> He is big everywhere so we need a wide tree that would work for him. Yes, this saddle is not a wide tree. I would have to say that saddle does not fit him. There are a few things to look at; maybe we can toss this around, if it's OK with you; otherwise we can talk in generalities. I have though about a gaited western saddle for him, No, don't even think about it. There is no such thing. Just think about a style and then try to find something that fits. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
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In a message dated 1/1/2008 6:24:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) What size is the seat on that saddle you showed? Sylvia **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
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> Skye, can you ride with your fingers under the front of the saddle, > where it > comes in contact with his skin (sort of near or below the button, > in this case), and under the saddle in the back? Yes I can or Sally will make me get off.we have tried so many saddles on this guy, and all the other ones pinched in front, except this one. I have gotton a lot of practice getting on and off which is not my strong suit, I am a much better rider than mounter or dismounter! He is big everywhere so we need a wide tree that would work for him. I have though about a gaited western saddle for him, but I need to lose more weight before I could buy one short enough that wopuld work for his back and my butt. But I thought I might do parades with a western saddle with him, or use him to push cattle on the ranch When we give lessons we do an exercise where the kids have to ride the horse in the front and in the back, if it hurts them we ask them what do you think the horse feels? Our lessons are not just about riding but about general horemanship, and tack is a big part of it. Skye Fire Island Eco-Treks-808-443-6085 Fire Island Professional Farrier Service-640-6080
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> We really try hard to make sure our horses are comfy with the tack we > use. Skye, can you ride with your fingers under the front of the saddle, where it comes in contact with his skin (sort of near or below the button, in this case), and under the saddle in the back? Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
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>> Skye, can you get pictures of these saddles on the >> horses, a few taken from the front, side, and rear so >> that we can see how they fit? > > Yes Judy...mabye I can do it today, at least on my gelding > Traustiand I can show a saddle fit on Baldur as well. Great! Looking forward to seeing the pictures. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
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> I'd really like to see them too, because I've never seen an Astund > that > wasn't pretty darned narrow - at least on the Icelandic scale of > saddles. Well the Astund is not ours, it is our friendsHers is pretty old, she thinks it is the Astund Special, however the same model today is not what hers isthe newer tree is more narrow than the one she ownsIt seems that many saddle makers no matter what country they are from change the design, the tree and yet keep it the same name. We have an old wintec aussie stock saddle...it works well for many of the Icelandicsbut the new design is just is terrible for them...its a totally different saddle with the same name. Buyer beware I guess. Skye Fire Island Eco-Treks-808-443-6085 Fire Island Professional Farrier Service-640-6080
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> Skye, can you get pictures of these saddles on the > horses, a few taken from the front, side, and rear so > that we can see how they fit? Yes Judy...mabye I can do it today, at least on my gelding Traustiand I can show a saddle fit on Baldur as well. Sally has been through many saddles with fitting her gelding Funi.the Benni fits him but she is not in love with it, so we are not going to purchase itso she is still looking for a good fit for him within our budget. He is a harder fit, as his back dips down right at the base of the withers, so most saddles 'bridge' on him. Which is why the Benni with the flexible tree seems to work well. She is thinking about a treeless, but the thought of shipping back and forth during the fitting process from Hawaii seems overwhelming. I just got lucky with mine I spent over 1 year trying to find a western saddle to fit my Icelandics when I first purchased them years ago...now I have a gelding that I could fit a western saddle in, but I no longer want that horn in the wayif I ever use him for Ranch work I might consider it. Skye Fire Island Eco-Treks-808-443-6085 Fire Island Professional Farrier Service-640-6080
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>> don't think anyone will demo a saddle for six months hi...actually RP will give you a two week free demo trial. after that you can lease the saddle if you need more time. i leased one for almost 5 months...before ordering huginn's saddle. Carmi strongly believes in the saddles that she sells. Glad the Sensation worked for your horse. Believe me I would have preferred to keep riding Huginn in my $300 Sensation Pad instead of buying a $4,000 RP. <;0] Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
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Most flex panels saddles have good demo trial periods. i would strongly recommend that when saddle shopping ...look at saddle that offer demo trials. Hum...I don't think the popularity rush is over, they are good saddle for horses that cannot be ridden in treed or treeless saddles. Like Huginn. I believe that RP is still going strong. Skjoni did very well in the FnE for several months, but gradually got pacey...then slow to move out...then hard to catch. I don't think anyone will demo a saddle for six months. He's fine in his Sensation though, and has been for almost two years. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: 12/30/2007 11:27 AM
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>> nearly demoed a reactor panel saddle (there was a dealer not too far from me). I was looking for a good saddle for Gusti at the time, and our dollar was worth only about .68 US, seems to me the saddle would have cost me nearly $4,000 Yep...that's what mine was...after buying the booties, etc. But, for me..it was worth every pretty penny (or dollar) cuz...it works for my pony. >>haven't heard such good reports about it since that initial honeymoon stage. These saddles have a good reputation and a good following. There is no perfect saddle for all horses. Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
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>> Didn't the FlexSaddles list basically die on the vine? Hum...it may be quite...but there are 172 members on the list. >> listed the FnE for sale there before I put it on ebay The FnE worked great for Huginn, but boy oh boy...if left me raw. >> listing for about $3000, and I FINALLY sold it for about $800. It was virtually new. Ouch. holycra$ >> Before I'd spend a ton on a FlexPanel saddle again, I'd check out some other options. It seems to me that their initial rush of popularity might be past Most flex panels saddles have good demo trial periods. i would strongly recommend that when saddle shopping ...look at saddle that offer demo trials. Hum...I don't think the popularity rush is over, they are good saddle for horses that cannot be ridden in treed or treeless saddles. Like Huginn. I believe that RP is still going strong. Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
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On 31/12/2007, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Before I'd spend a ton on a FlexPanel saddle again, I'd check out some other > options. It seems to me that their initial rush of popularity might be > past. I nearly demoed a reactor panel saddle (there was a dealer not too far from me). I was looking for a good saddle for Gusti at the time, and our dollar was worth only about .68 US, seems to me the saddle would have cost me nearly $4,000. So I backed out. But I'm glad I did. I haven't heard such good reports about it since that initial honeymoon stage. Wanda
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You can post it on the Yahoo Groups FlexSaddles Group. You can also post it on the RP web site, they have a classified section. Good luck! Didn't the FlexSaddles list basically die on the vine? I joined when we were thinking about buying the FnE for Cary. There was some activity for a while, then nothing. I don't remember unsubscribing, but maybe I eventually did. I listed the FnE for sale there before I put it on ebay, and didn't get any responses. I had to advertise it three times on ebay to sell it, and I really took a loss on it - the worst I ever took on any saddle. I'm just glad I bought it used. At the time I sold it, I think they were listing for about $3000, and I FINALLY sold it for about $800. It was virtually new. Ouch. Before I'd spend a ton on a FlexPanel saddle again, I'd check out some other options. It seems to me that their initial rush of popularity might be past. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: 12/30/2007 11:27 AM
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>> Did you once tell me about a list that I might put my Reactor panel saddle on to sell? Hi Robyn, You can post it on the Yahoo Groups FlexSaddles Group. You can also post it on the RP web site, they have a classified section. Good luck! <;P] Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
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Hi Raven, Did you once tell me about a list that I might put my Reactor panel saddle on to sell? Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
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>> Raven, please let me know how you like the saddle you ride Huggin with, it looks and sounds great. Hi Sylvia, I love my saddle~! Here's a link http://www.reactorpanel.com/ I have the endurance saddle. >>The gullet on those saddles are??? The saddles are flex panel saddles, and there are different gullet sized saddles. What size a horse will need depends on the horse's back. RP recommends that you take measurements of your horse's back. They also recommend that you make a mold of the horse's back. These tools will help RP decide what gullet size a horse will need. I think Huginn is a 12.5" ...I think. The panels are attached the the saddle with velcor disks. These disks allowed you to adjust the saddle to your horse's back. For me...this was a bit intimating. >>Did you special order this one or what? Most of the RP saddles are custom order. They do keep some sizes in stock, it will depend on what size your horse needs and what seat size you need, leather color, etc. I'm not sure where you are located, maybe close enough to one of their saddle reps. >> What do you think of the one two pictures down the lite one? On which site? <;] Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
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In a message dated 12/30/2007 1:00:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Raven, please let me know how you like the saddle you ride Huggin with, it looks and sounds great. The gullet on those saddles are??? Did you special order this one or what? I sure like the looks and the style. My Crates was like this only the quarter horse tree would not work. Great leather and good saddle. The leather on the cheap saddles is like cardboard. What do you think of the one two pictures down the lite one? A little flatter seat is what they said. Sylvia **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
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>> Astund is a very secure seat I tried the Astund Special a few times and I agree it's a secure beautiful saddle. It was also a very comfy saddle for me. But...the gullet was way too narrow and the panels were too long for Huginn. <;] Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
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On Dec 29, 2007 10:25 PM, Raven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Don't forget Flex Panel saddles. <;p] I ride in a Reactor Panel > endurance saddle. For Huginn, it was one of two saddles that worked > for him. And the RP saddle was the only one of the two that also > worked for me. If i was gonna go with a flex panel saddle i would go with orthoflex and their new shorter, more flexible panels which were designed after they realized traditional flex panels did not work well with many gaited horses. Also they can grind the back of the saddle off a little which allows even more flex. I tried my orthoflex stitchdown on tivar tho and it looked like one of those elephant saddle contraptions it was so perched. I love my orthoflex stitchdown, but Stonewall got stiff and weird in it til I had the new sys8X (extra wide extra flex) panels put on. If anyone has an older orthoflex with the system II panels you can contact acie at orthoflex and i think you will be surprised at how affordable it is to have these new panels put on. also if you buy a flex panel saddle used, any brand, be aware that the bushings etc can get stiff and the panels if not used in a long time can lose flexibility or they can be worn out. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
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Input from SaddleRight: Saddles are major problems for all horses. Here's why: Saddles just can't fit horses correctly. If you look closely at your horse's back, you will see signs of atrophy in the back and hip muscles (muscle shrinkage.) These muscles must build and develop under saddles. Every time I examined horses, I almost always found the trouble in withers and surrounding areas. The low side must be allowed to build up and even out the top line. In human athletes, pelvic girdle and leg muscle problems stem from neuro lymphatic reflex centers and acupuncture meridian connectors. These centers are located on our upper spine; on horses, these sensitive spots lie exactly where saddle bars rest. This constant pressure over-stimulates muscle groups, reducing muscle efficiency, especially in pelvic girdle muscles (rear end), forcing horses on the forehand, favoring leads and diagonals, among other things. Decreased circulation is only one problem that can be caused by using wrong saddle pads. Check your horse using these simple tests: * Look at your horse. Sit on him bareback and look down at his upper shoulders (below hollow of withers). You will see that one shoulder is more developed, with larger muscles. * Place your hands on his shoulder blades, (left hand on left blade, right hand on right blade). Have someone lead your horse off. You will feel one shoulder dropping lower as your horse moves. Now get off and have someone lead your horse away from you. * Observe your horse's hip action. Do both hips rise and fall equally? Does one side remain lower with each step? (Unequal hip action gives you early warning of Hock, Stifle, Leg problems.) If your horse shows uneven conformation, as virtually all horses do, you will see immediately why saddles CAN'T fit horses on both sides. No "even" saddle, no matter how well made, can properly fit an "uneven" horse. Even worse, with riders mounted, saddles ROLL, placing more weight on lower shoulder muscles, which are very large, important muscle groups. This constant stress interferes with proper blood flow and blocks certain reflex centers, causing impaired function. Trying to escape this pressure, horses pull affected shoulders further down. This unnatural motion not only promotes muscle shrinkage, but causes mechanical imbalance, stressing the entire equine body (especially the rear -- again, Hocks, Stifle, and Legs). A stressed, unbalanced horse can no longer be a free flowing, supple mover. It might tire quickly, leads may not come easily, and its attitude could deteriorate. These effects are especially serious in strenuous competitive conditions. Your horse can never reach its full potential, and problems started when that first saddle was cinched on. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
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In a message dated 12/29/2007 10:02:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thank you for your reply to my problem. The Astund is a size 18 and I am a size six jeans with very little padding in my rear end. I have no clue about the sizing on these saddles. Of course they all say it will be fine for my size. The people have switched to Sensations saddles tells me something. Sylvia **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
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>>> Skye, can you get pictures of these saddles on the horses, a few taken from the front, side, and rear so that we can see how they fit? I'd really like to see them too, because I've never seen an Astund that wasn't pretty darned narrow - at least on the Icelandic scale of saddles. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1202 - Release Date: 12/29/2007 1:27 PM
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> My good friend has an Astund, I have the > other model, > Sally is using the Benni harmony with a flexible > tree, Skye, can you get pictures of these saddles on the horses, a few taken from the front, side, and rear so that we can see how they fit? Thanks! Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
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I was looking at a Hnakkvirki > and a Astund > Faxi both very used but still pretty expensive. Has anyone ridden > in this > type of saddle, either one of them. I might want a saddle with a > tree. I am in > a real dilemma over this. Sylvia My good friend has an Astund, it is VERY comfortable, and fits mosts Icelandics that we have tried it on.I have the other model, and it seems a bit long, but I have a BIG 14 hand gelding that it fits like a glove, so you need a horse that does not have a short back to use it IMO. One thing I do not like about it is the flaps are long and get in my way when I cinch the girth.but they provide a lot of smooth protection as well Sally is using the Benni harmony with a flexible tree, and the horses really love it.it seems designed well The Astund is a very secure seat BTW, at least the model my friend has, I could ask her which model. It is a costly saddle, but hers is in better condition very used than a lot of new saddles, very well made. Skye Fire Island Eco-Treks-808-443-6085 Fire Island Professional Farrier Service-640-6080
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Don't forget Flex Panel saddles. <;p] I ride in a Reactor Panel endurance saddle. For Huginn, it was one of two saddles that worked for him. And the RP saddle was the only one of the two that also worked for me. Do you happen to have a saddle fitter in your area that could help you? Have fun saddle shopping! Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
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In a message dated 9/18/2007 3:05:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) There were some barefoot saddles and torsion also on ebay today. Might take a look. Sylvia ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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After years of riding English, I actually feel very safe in the leather-covered EZ Rides that came on the Tucker. How weird do you suppose it would look if I hung them on the dressage saddle? I'd sure feel safer. >>I have EZ-rides on my Sensation Dressage and I think it looks tres chic. >>I'd say go for it! (After all, how stylish would we look being dragged from >>a horse...?) Definitely put them on the Dressage. I saw someone get dragged with the plain EZ rides last week (fortunately not hurt badly) but I lost 10 years off my life watching it!. Cherie
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> On 18/09/2007, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >>I actually feel very safe in the leather-covered EZ Rides that came on the Tucker. How weird do you suppose it would look if I hung them on the dressage saddle? I'd sure feel safer.<< I have a pair of EZ Rides with leather hoods that I ride with my Sensation Saddle. I swear, my stirrups weigh more than the saddle, but I love them and feel safe in them, and no sage of prickley desert brush get on my socks! Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/
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Surely you jest. I LOVE my stirrups. I had what was almost a very bad freak accident the other day on trail involving a stirrup. We were going through a very tight spot with thick brush on each side and a stiff branch caught my stirrup and ripped it clear off my foot and around behind my leg. Hunter, the Magnificent, barely slowed down, but I had images of very nasty wrecks swimming before my eyes. Nancy
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So yes...let's all be safe. For those of you that ride western, you can buy those breakaway stirrups. Safety is the ultimate fashion accessory, don't you think? And speaking of being dragged, I wonder how many of us (including me) practice riding without stirrups often enough? I know that my first instructor made me ride without stirrups all along and I try to do it for a few minutes each ride. If I feel a horse getting boisterous if he's going to buck or spin - which hasn't happened in a long time, thankfully - I actually will drop my stirrups. I shouldn't NEED my stirrups to stay centered and balanced, and if I'm going to need to dismount quickly or heaven forbid, get bucked off, I don't want my feet getting stuck. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.22/1013 - Release Date: 9/17/2007 1:29 PM
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> She was knocked unconscious the moment she hit the ground, she was > like a rag doll being dragged along. Well won't help in that case, but still a tidbit of potentially useful info I like to share when the topic of being dragged comes up. Maybe one day it will help someone who isn't knocked out in the fall. Cheryl Sand Creek Icelandics Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.toltallyice.com
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> ridden in a treeless. Am I right in remembering > that Sensation has a demo > period? They have a demo period. I saw on one of the sites when I was looking. Lorraine Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/
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On 18/09/2007, IceDog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > They say luckily I've never had to try it or see if it even came to me > in a moment of need but if you're being dragged you're supposed to try > to roll over on your belly giving your foot a chance to slip free from the > stirrup. She was knocked unconscious the moment she hit the ground, she was like a rag doll being dragged along. Wanda
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I like my caged easy EZ Ride Stirrups for saddles without a "release". > BTW...speaking of dragging, my absolute favorite vet in the world was > out riding a month ago, and her horse spooked and her foot slipped > through her western stirrup and she was dragged for at least 10 > minutes before they were able to stop her horse. She's staying at a > friends house while she recuperates. Both hands are broken, both > legs...and almost everything else has a cut or a ding. She's going > into surgery again in a few weeks. They say luckily I've never had to try it or see if it even came to me in a moment of need but if you're being dragged you're supposed to try to roll over on your belly giving your foot a chance to slip free from the stirrup. Cheryl Sand Creek Icelandics Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.toltallyice.com
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On 18/09/2007, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I actually have a brand new pair of EZ rides with cages in my tackroom. I > bought them for Stephanie, but have never put them on a saddle. After years > of riding English, I actually feel very safe in the leather-covered EZ Rides > that came on the Tucker. How weird do you suppose it would look if I hung > them on the dressage saddle? I'd sure feel safer. Nancy, I think we're all that the point where we just don't care what we look like. If you feel safer using them, then do it. I have some toe stoppers on my Icelandic "S" stirrups and I love them. I always worried that my foot would slip through and I'd be dragged for hours. BTW...speaking of dragging, my absolute favorite vet in the world was out riding a month ago, and her horse spooked and her foot slipped through her western stirrup and she was dragged for at least 10 minutes before they were able to stop her horse. She's staying at a friends house while she recuperates. Both hands are broken, both legs...and almost everything else has a cut or a ding. She's going into surgery again in a few weeks. So yes...let's all be safe. For those of you that ride western, you can buy those breakaway stirrups. Wanda
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On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 04:11:58PM -0700, Nancy Sturm wrote: > I actually have a brand new pair of EZ rides with cages in my tackroom. I > bought them for Stephanie, but have never put them on a saddle. After years > of riding English, I actually feel very safe in the leather-covered EZ Rides > that came on the Tucker. How weird do you suppose it would look if I hung > them on the dressage saddle? I'd sure feel safer. then do it! i bought a pair for one of my students (who rides in an australian stock saddle) for his birthday. they're great :) --vicka
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i've been very happy with both my sensation dressage and my hrimnir (treed) saddles. in either case i think the important thing is to get a good dealer and/or saddle fitter and a trial period is invaluable. (though i think long after my trial periods for both i'm going to want yet a *different* saddle, now that we've taken up jumping of all thingssigh! :) --vicka
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After years of riding English, I actually feel very safe in the leather-covered EZ Rides that came on the Tucker. How weird do you suppose it would look if I hung them on the dressage saddle? I'd sure feel safer. I have EZ-rides on my Sensation Dressage and I think it looks tres chic. I'd say go for it! (After all, how stylish would we look being dragged from a horse...?) But then, I rode in a western BMSS for a while, rigged with English peacock irons for safety, so how stylish am I...? Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.22/1013 - Release Date: 9/17/2007 1:29 PM
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I actually have a brand new pair of EZ rides with cages in my tackroom. I bought them for Stephanie, but have never put them on a saddle. After years of riding English, I actually feel very safe in the leather-covered EZ Rides that came on the Tucker. How weird do you suppose it would look if I hung them on the dressage saddle? I'd sure feel safer. By the way, after a lifetime of riding 16 h horses and now having the 14.3 h Hunter as a primary horse, I feel like Clinton Anderson or some other long lean cowboy type when I step off Tosca and the ground is right there under my left foot. I always wondered what that would feel like. Nancy
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to me the hybrid is more secure feeling. I think all Sensations are secure, but the Hybrid is probably the most. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.22/1013 - Release Date: 9/17/2007 1:29 PM
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to me the hybrid is more secure feeling. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
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On 9/18/07, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And I'm a little > worried about spooks in an unfamiliar saddle. Orri has done some spooks and bolts while we rode with the Sensation Dressage--it hugs me and mades me feel safe. I also have cages on my EZ rides. V
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>>> I'm really nervous about buying a saddle that might not work and I've never ridden in a treeless. Am I right in remembering that Sensation has a demo period? Yes, most of the treeless brands have demo periods. I like the Sensations best and find them VERY secure - more secure than any treed saddle I've ever ridden in. The Torsions and Barefoots aren't bad either. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.22/1013 - Release Date: 9/17/2007 1:29 PM
RE: [IceHorses] saddles sold/for sale
Does she have a website? Which saddle are we talking about anyway? Sylvia www.kaarenjordan.com Janice was originally talking about a Hybrid Sensation, but I like all of the Sensations. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] (704) 516-3179
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Does she have a website? Which saddle are we talking about anyway? Sylvia
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On 7/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> I am told the pics don't do it justice, that it was purchased in march > and is like brand new. So if you want to bypass the 6 week wait and want a > cool color and you dont need the > extended seat, this one might interest you. <<< > > > > > What size is this seat on the saddle for sale, I am a size six pants, my > horse has a wide back. Sylvia in California > if you are a size six you can wear it :) But seriously, It is supposed to be a size 15 in seat but if you would contact kaaren Jordan at her Sensation saddle website she can tell you how the fit would be for you. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
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>>> True confessions, V Ha! Did you read what someone wrote recently on the treeless list? She said that a good saddle is the "cowboy savings account. If you have a saddle, you ain't broke!" I loved that. I've jokingly referred to my "saddle equity," but I'd never heard of the cowboy savings account. Since I've gotten pretty close to having the saddles I need, I haven't been hurt by buying and selling a few as my needs change. If you get good saddles, which often aren't the priciest ones, they will hold their values pretty well. I like my last BMSS a lot, but it wasn't going to work for Sina, Melnir or Eitill, and I really didn't need it for the bigger horses. I was lucky enough to sell it for ALMOST what I paid for it, and was able to find a better-suited-for-us Torsion to be my designated non-Sensation saddle - for a good bit less. Another woman on the treeless list told a cute story. She went through such as phase of buying and selling saddles a few years ago, trying to find something that would work. She had figured out how to buy and sell pretty much even regarding cost, without spending a lot, but she still didn't want her husband hassling her. Luckily UPS mostly delivered during the day, while her husband was at work. One day, her cover was blown though, when she and her small child were driving with her husband. The little boy pointed to a UPS truck, and said, "Look mommy, there's the saddle truck." I love that story. I have since called UPS trucks, "saddle trucks." Karen Thomas, NC
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>>> I am told the pics don't do it justice, that it was purchased in march and is like brand new. So if you want to bypass the 6 week wait and want a cool color and you dont need the extended seat, this one might interest you. <<< What size is this seat on the saddle for sale, I am a size six pants, my horse has a wide back. Sylvia in California
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On 7/9/07, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh...they all say they'll have a fit. Or "that's it". Or "enough!" > It's all just crazy talk. > > Believe me...after a while they just turn a blind eye when you come > wrestling in the door with another box. I must say I am happy with > this new Sensation, and I thought Gusti liked his BMSS.. Who knew? Well--I've been told that "I spend it faster than it comes in" and that I'm going to "ruin him" and that things "come in by the truckload" or "we must be opening a business" possibly a "purolator depot" etc, etc, etc, so I've cut back on my eBay shopping and other fun purchases... although I will be buying a bit for Gat, and I hope that doesn't cause a stir. True confessions, V
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On 09/07/07, Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The babe maybe, but not so skinny compared to what I used to be! I'd > love to have the saddle but I know that hubby would have a hairy fit > if I buy another saddle at this present time.. > :( > V Oh...they all say they'll have a fit. Or "that's it". Or "enough!" It's all just crazy talk. Believe me...after a while they just turn a blind eye when you come wrestling in the door with another box. I must say I am happy with this new Sensation, and I thought Gusti liked his BMSS.. Who knew? Wanda married for 28 years...
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On 7/9/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>\ No, wait, skinny Virginia ("the babe") stands a better chance of
fitting in the standard seat than I do!
Oh yeah!
The babe maybe, but not so skinny compared to what I used to be! I'd
love to have the saddle but I know that hubby would have a hairy fit
if I buy another saddle at this present time..
:(
V
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--- Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I sold my Sensation G3 trail saddle. I still have > for sale the > Trekker for 350, pic attached. Also, my new used > Sensation Hybrid > should arrive tomorrow and if it is too small it > will be for sale, What a nice saddle. I wish I could buy it. My butt head husband would kill me. LOL Happy Trails from Lori Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222
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>>> I am told the pics dont do it justice, that it was purchased in march and
>>> is like brand new. So if you want to bypass the 6 week wait and want a
>>> cool color and you dont need the
extended seat, this one might interest you.
You know, that brown one is just screaming out for Orri...or for Melnir...?
No, wait, skinny Virginia ("the babe") stands a better chance of fitting in the
standard seat than I do!
Karen
Karen Thomas
Wingate, NC
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Re: [IceHorses] saddles/tack/weird stuff for sale
maybe I can come to the Liz clinic again in oct Annaleise and bring you some ducks and chickens then. If you want eggs you have to have an incubator and turn them three times a day. If you buy a nice electric turner you dont get as high a hatch rate as when you turn them yourself, guess thats natures way... My Sensation is Karens older one I bought, very nice almost like new, a custom color, canyon brown and black. It is awesome and I cant ride Tivar in anything else so I dont want to sell it unless I can sell some other stuff and buy a new hybrid... but I will let you know if it looks like I will be able to sell it. janice -- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] Saddles & Icey
Hi Janice, In this photo it looks to me like you are sitting in a neutral pelvis and not lifting through the sternum but I will have Peggy's x-ray eyes look at it and see if she has some suggestions. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
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On 5/17/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> i will get up and > have to hobble. its pathetic :) I'm like that too. :( V
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On 5/17/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Janiceas much as you ride, if that's the ONLY place you're sore after a > ride, I don't even want to hear about it! My gosh, Cary and I swear > everything hurts since we turned 50! i meant unusually sore :) Gosh I am so stiff after I ride! not right after but like that evening, after lazing around, i will get up and have to hobble. its pathetic :) Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
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lately there has been a change in the way I ride, i dont know what, but I have an ache afterward in the middle of my back just below my shoulder blades and after riding all weekend twice a day fri-sun last week I was sore until yesterday. Janiceas much as you ride, if that's the ONLY place you're sore after a ride, I don't even want to hear about it! My gosh, Cary and I swear everything hurts since we turned 50! Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 5/16/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> "IF" you have the ideal saddle *maybe* it would work. > > According to my understanding of the article, you buy a larger saddle, not one that fits, and then you shim with their shim system according to the needs of the horses back. V
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Hi Janice >lately there has been a change in the way I ride, i dont know what, >but I have an ache afterward in the middle of my back just below my >shoulder blades We are in the midst of a clinic with Peggy Cummings and I suspect that you are lifting through your sternum and that will give a lot of discomfort through the mid back. If you have a photo of yourself riding from the side I will ask Peggy to look at it and give you some suggestions if you like. One thing is that if your saddle is sitting even slightly downhill in front that can trigger a rider to hold in that part of the back. That is where slight shimming on either side in the front can really help. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
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lately there has been a change in the way I ride, i dont know what, but I have an ache afterward in the middle of my back just below my shoulder blades and after riding all weekend twice a day fri-sun last week I was sore until yesterday. Not a real problem, i just wonder why. Maybe I am slumping... but it has happened at times in different saddle with diff horses so must be something about me... is it slump you think?? When I ride stonewall on a slow ride he has a very pronounced camel walk and I get a little lower back pain. so this feels completely different/ Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
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> I never said that there was. I just said that no one can convince ME > that a treed saddle is better for a horse's back than a treeless. I > rode in it for several hour rides, then on a 6 hr trail ride. Then I > bought one. > > Robyn Wow, Robyn, did my mail get screwed up? - I wasn't responding to you, I was repsonding to Lorraine about the Sensatrion and her reaction to it as far as comfort for her back Laree
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On 5/16/07, Robyn Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > No one will ever convince me that a treed saddle is better for a > horse's back than a treeless. There is a lot of truth to the theory > that a treed saddle might fit a horse perfectly--until he moves. there are some cases where a treeless is bad. Like my jaspar has a prominent spine even when very fat. It sticks up, knobby all the way, and when rubbed, he gets a fistula. He had a bad one from a poor saddle pad and a tucker saddle and it became chronic, and a treeless aggravates it. (I ditched the Tucker). Perhaps before he ever got the fistula if I had him in a treeless with proper shims it wouldnt have happened. But as it is it is such that he can only be ridden in a saddle with absolute spine clearance, and what works best for him actually is my orthoflex because with the panels and booties theres nothing on his spine whatsoever, not even a saddle pad. Horses with real real prominent withers also, you can't put a wide tree or treeless where it will sit down and rub right on the withers. Fistulous withers and spine is a very serious life threatening chronic situation. I think Liz said it best when she said you really shouldnt mix and match. You should either have a treed saddle that fits or a treeless that is completely flexible with a good saddle pad that will have shims or whatever to protect the spine. I sent my orthoflex back and had the new special short, extra flexible panels put on, and they ground off some of the back of the saddle which allows even more flex and fit for a shorter backed horse and so far it works good for two of my horses. I think we always need to NEVER forget that no one saddle fits every horse and you have to have an open mind always with each horse and their individual problems. Like Tivar, I really much prefer a treed saddle, my orthoflex, a Tucker even for ME but for my horses each one has to have what he needs and Tivar MUST have a treeless. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
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> There is no saddle, horse or anything else that works for everyone - > thank goodness - what a boring world it would be. Butt... did you > just sit in it or ride in it? I never said that there was. I just said that no one can convince ME that a treed saddle is better for a horse's back than a treeless. I rode in it for several hour rides, then on a 6 hr trail ride. Then I bought one. Robyn
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> I know that the sensation is a great saddle but when I > sat in one it didn't feel good for my bad lower back. There is no saddle, horse or anything else that works for everyone - thank goodness - what a boring world it would be. Butt... did you just sit in it or ride in it? -- Laree
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> That may be true with most treeless, but the Sensation > has foam "panels" to help distribute the weight in > addition to the proper "treeless" pad. And, of > course, she promotes their saddles and shims and their > VERY expensive pad!!! There are things about the Parellis that I like and others that I don't. The Buy-my-stuff-or-you-won't-succeed attitude falls in the latter category. No one will ever convince me that a treed saddle is better for a horse's back than a treeless. There is a lot of truth to the theory that a treed saddle might fit a horse perfectly--until he moves. Then everything about the horse's back has just changed, and the saddle no longer fits. In my experience, however limited, the treeless saddles can be a bit harder to sit b/c they require very good balance on the part of the rider. For someone w/ poor balance, the saddle will not be stable. Treeless saddles, bitless bridles...I know, I'm a real granola-head. But my goal is bareback/bridleless (that includes halterless too) and I plan to NOT do it the Parelli-way. Robyn
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--- Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just received my 'Savvy Times' and Linda Parelli > wrote an article > "Saddles, Pads, Shims" where she says that the > concentrated weight of > a rider in a treeless saddle can be > problematic--that a horse will > find it difficult to push up into the pressure. > That the ideal saddle > invites a horse to lift his back and push upwards. > Of course she > promotes their saddles and shim system.<< That may be true with most treeless, but the Sensation has foam "panels" to help distribute the weight in addition to the proper "treeless" pad. And, of course, she promotes their saddles and shims and their VERY expensive pad!!! Susan in NV Happy High Desert Trails Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222
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I think the PP saddles are made by Balance International. I'm pretty sure not. Linda started working with Carol Brett of Balance, and featured a lesson with Carol in her Fluidity video. But I think they parted ways at some point. I took Sina to a saddle fit clinic and personal fitting with Carol when she was in this area, and I have a lot of respect for her, even though she didn't have a saddle that would work for Sina. I am quite skeptical about the Parelli saddles. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.8/800 - Release Date: 5/11/2007 7:34 PM
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I just received my 'Savvy Times' and Linda Parelli wrote an article "Saddles, Pads, Shims" where she says that the concentrated weight of a rider in a treeless saddle can be problematic--that a horse will find it difficult to push up into the pressure. That the ideal saddle invites a horse to lift his back and push upwards. Of course she promotes their saddles and shim system. I like part of the Parelli system...but in all honesty, I think Linda doesn't really "get" saddles and fit. She started on her saddle-fit quest by listening to Carol Brett of Balance Saddles, and I think Carol is extremely innovative and knowledgeable. I think Linda would have been better served to have let others with more time and experience have the very complicated world of saddle design. I think their one-size-fits-all saddle system is a joke and I hate the air-pads they sell - and none of this line of theirs seems to be consistent at all with what I heard Carol Brett say when I took Sina to her for a saddle-fitting. But I like their seven games system... :) Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.8/800 - Release Date: 5/11/2007 7:34 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Saddles & Iceys
I just received my 'Savvy Times' and Linda Parelli wrote an article > "Saddles, Pads, Shims" where she says that the concentrated weight of > a rider in a treeless saddle can be problematic--that a horse will > find it difficult to push up into the pressure. That the ideal saddle > invites a horse to lift his back and push upwards. Of course she > promotes their saddles and shim system.<<< Personally, I don't believe that is true. "IF" you have the ideal saddle *maybe* it would work. But I doubt that many horses have the ideal saddle. I suspect more horses are hollowing out because of the saddles that their riders think "fit them perfectly". In regard to the mechanics, with a treed saddle, if the horse rounds up, what happens to the tree? At what points does it touch (or not touch) the horse's back? Suppose you have a saddle that bridges what happens if the horse rounds up? In regard to distribution (or concentration) of weight, I did not write the following, but this is what I believe: "One of the reasons I never considered going treeless before this year was because I thought that I really needed a tree to properly distribute my weight. But after doing a lot of research into saddle fit, I found that a good treeless saddle with a proper pad underneath can actually be a BETTER option than a treed saddle. And the horses I've been riding are certainly telling me this too. They are moving out more freely and there are no signs of pressure points or ill-fit with our Sensation Ride saddles. The biggest issue is not necessarily weight, but balance and riding with a centered seat. A person who is 200 lbs and rides with a centered, balanced seat is much easier on a horse than a 100 lb rider who is un-balanced and/or bounces on the horses back. Now, it's still very important to make sure the horse's back is properly protected - even more so with a heavier weight rider. After doing some looking into treeless saddles, I found the Sensation Ride saddle seemed to be the best option for us. We first ordered one for my friend who had an Icelandic gelding with a lump on his back just behind his wither. We are fairly certain this was caused from ill saddle fit (treed saddle). We couldn't risk putting pressure on that spot and any treed saddle would certainly have done that. We ordered the Sensation Dressage saddle for him and his rider and it is working out exceptionally well for them. As a matter of fact, I borrowed the saddle to use it on another horse and after only one trail ride, I just couldn't go back to a treed saddle. I ordered the Sensation Dressage Trail saddle and just got it in yesterday. I love, love, love this saddle! One of my biggest concerns with this saddle was stability on the horse's back. I just couldn't wrap my head around how a non-treed saddle could be stabile on the horse's back. But to my amazement, these Sensation saddles we have are FAR more stabile on the horse's back than the treed saddles we've ridden in. We have put these saddles to the test with steep hills, the horse "tipping over" in a snow drift, horses taking off at a gallop, trotting, gaiting, cantering, etc... These saddles have not BUDGED on the horse's backs in any situation so far. I can't explain it, and I surely don't understand it, but they really are far more stabile than any treed saddle I've ridden in. And don't get me started on comfort :-). I could go on for days and days about how so incredibly comfy the Sensation saddles are. It's like riding on a cloud. I can also feel the horse moving under me WAY more than in the Wintecs or any other treed saddle I've ridden in. My friend made the comment that "she doesn't want to get out of the saddle ever again". I think the Sensation saddle comes in a synthetic material. I too love synthetic, but after seeing the quality of the leather in the Sensations, I am sold on the "grippy leather" offered on the Sensations. It seems to be water resistant, tough yet butter soft. Though I love Wintecs and feel that they are an excellent option for many horses, I doubt I'll ever go back to them after riding in the Sensation. It's hard for me to let go of my reasons for loving my Wintec, but I have to say the fit of the Sensation to horse and rider beats even my beloved Wintec Icelandic. I want the horses I work with to be as comfortable as possible, and the Sensation saddles seem to be the most comfortable for them." Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Saddles & Iceys
>>'Savvy Times' and Linda Parelli wrote an article "Saddles, Pads, Shims" I think the PP saddles are made by Balance International. Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn, the American Ice Pony Dixie Chic, the Barn Goddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Saddles & Icey
On 5/16/07, Lorraine Voog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am very happy with the Barefoot saddles so far. I > love my new blue Cheyenne. Lorraine So cute! V
Re: [IceHorses] Saddles & Iceys
I just received my 'Savvy Times' and Linda Parelli wrote an article "Saddles, Pads, Shims" where she says that the concentrated weight of a rider in a treeless saddle can be problematic--that a horse will find it difficult to push up into the pressure. That the ideal saddle invites a horse to lift his back and push upwards. Of course she promotes their saddles and shim system. V
Re: [IceHorses] Saddles & Iceys
Hi Nancy.I use a Reactor Panel endurance saddle for Huginn. I also have a Nickers Sensation Pad as a second saddle. The best saddle for an IcePony is the one that fits both pony and rider. <:] Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn, the American Ice Pony Dixie Chic, the Barn Goddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Saddles & Iceys
> > Nancy - > > I think you'll find that the favorite saddle of a > majority on this > list is the Sensation - it was developed by an > endurance rider and > seems to fit most of our wide backed ponies/horses. > -- > Laree I know that the sensation is a great saddle but when I sat in one it didn't feel good for my bad lower back. I am probably the only one who feels this way. oh well. Lorraine Happy Southwestern Trails Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
Re: [IceHorses] Saddles & Iceys
On 5/16/07, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What are your favorite saddles for Icey's? > Nancy - I think you'll find that the favorite saddle of a majority on this list is the Sensation - it was developed by an endurance rider and seems to fit most of our wide backed ponies/horses. -- Laree
Re: [IceHorses] Saddles & Iceys
> > What are your favorite saddles for Icey's? IMHO, the Sensation, hands down. It fits my 13.1 Icelandic, my 15.2 TWH, and 5'3" me. It's comfy and perfect, wouldn't trade it for anything! Robyn
Re: [IceHorses] Saddles & Iceys
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 07:52:12AM -0700, Nancy Sturm wrote: > What are your favorite saddles for Icey's? i do love love love my hrimnir with the comfy quilted seat. i'm no endurance rider, but i do ten or twelve miles of trail without a second thought, and have never had a moment's pain from it, no slipping, and it fits my mack truck of a pony beautifully. if only i were a little bigger, it'd be perfect in every way but it is an icelandic saddle and i gather icelanders are the tallest folk in the world, which i'm not. --vicka, crossing threads :)
