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> wow, verrry interesting! I was at jeffers today and > was wondering if Wow. You actually have a Jeffers store? I only knew about their catolog. You lucky. Lorraine Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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wow, verrry interesting! I was at jeffers today and was wondering if feed through fly control would help with culicoides. Also, my husband has a professional water treatment license and gets mailouts for products and he got one the other day for this product to put out in treatment plants that will "arrest development of midges in the larval stage" but it sounded like something you would buy tons of at once. I want to look them up on the internet or see if I can call or write and ask do they have small amounts and if it would work for horses. Got two bottles of "pour it on" in the Jeffers yard sale today for five bucks each!! whoo hooo. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
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>>http://www.taktklar .de/taktklar/ documents/ 18082000- 01.htm can you give me the gist? So in conclusion, the horse has more normal concentration of sweat glands around the neck. Thats the veggie tray to the insects. The dessert tray is under the belly and between the back legs where the sweat is concentrated and in warm or humid climates, the sweat stays in its sticky form longer, thus irritating the skin which then you see the sores develop. Thats probably why washing that area then covering with SWAT or other barrier type topical seems to help, as well as fans or windy days to keep insects away and to dry off the sweat faster. Ashley
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>>i would guess sweating, because sweating attracts gnats, right? smelliness attracts gnats. a moist environment attracts gnats. Because even when not sweating my horse's eyes attract gnats, and their sheathes. Where things are moist and also can be smelly :) Janice<< Actually, if my very novice reading of this article is right, this guy did biopsies of the skin of icelandics and found that some have fewer sweat glands in their skin, which is a great survival mechanism if you live in a really cold place like Iceland since less sweating means better warmth. These are the horses which tend to not sweat alot when ridden on long rides, you'll see them panting rather than deep breathing when they get hot or have been ridden on long rides, and they tend to sweat most heavily in the neck area. The fewer sweat glands means that when they do sweat, it is more concentrated with all the things in sweat, and it is more attractive to insects and also tends to irritate the skin of the horse, so you have 2 issues to deal with when these horses are moved to live in warmer climates where there are more bugs, and the skin stays wetter (humid areas). He goes on to talk about a product "Dinoprost" that when given to a horse makes it sweat. A horse not prone to summer excema would be sweating heavily in 5 minutes(normal concentration of sweat glands) and a horse prone to summer excema would sweat mainly in the neck area in about 20 minutes. He says the application of this Dinoprost is inexpensive and quick way to determine likelihood of developing summer excema before exportation. Ashley
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>>> http://www.taktklar.de/taktklar/documents/18082000-01.htm > > > Maybe Anneliese can help us with this. Judy: you can shoot that at me at some other time. Right now I simply don't have the time to do it. Translation is time-consuming. And I am finishing all the trim fro the house - about a mile of it. Anneliese
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German, but possibly a German member of the group can/could translate an "abstract" of it. >> >> http://www.taktklar.de/taktklar/documents/18082000-01.htm Maybe Anneliese can help us with this. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
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On 11/17/07, Narnia Fell Ponies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Reading your mails about "sweating Icelandics" I remembered an article I've > read a while ago. The author of this article sees a connection betwenn > sweating / non-sweating in the Icelandics and sweet itch. Unfortunately the > article is written in German, but possibly a German member of the group > can/could translate an "abstract" of it. > > http://www.taktklar.de/taktklar/documents/18082000-01.htm can you give me the gist? I am on dialup at home. I will read the whole thing later. but does it say sweating leads to SE or non sweating... i would guess sweating, because sweating attracts gnats, right? smelliness attracts gnats. a moist environment attracts gnats. Because even when not sweating my horse's eyes attract gnats, and their sheathes. Where things are moist and also can be smelly :) Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
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I am a Planner, and one time about five years ago an engineer who was once the head engineer of a NUCLEAR POWER PLANT brought in a site plan drawing for a development that was nothing but a giant blueprint drawing of a big square. no dimensions, no measurements, no structure, not even a north arrow. He smiled real sweetly the whole time dutring our meeting like he had altzheimers. I said "well wheres the building going?" he said "here" and pointed in the middle of the square. I said "well, like how I am supposed to know?" and he said get this "because I am telling you,. I am a registered engineer, here is my seal". I swear to goodness. Then the bad part came when local greedy satanic developers began to figure out he would do anything for two hundred bucks and started just telling him to draw crazy plans and one after the other here they came, applying to build shopping centers, mini malls, gas stations on US hwy 98 no turn lanes, no parking spaces, stuff like that. So yes, I have some good engineering jokes :) My nephew is a civil engineer tho, so I have to admit now and then one comes along that is ok... Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
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On 11/16/07, Penelope Hodge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Oh, no, not a vet. I am a ... uh ... ditch digger. Yup, that's me. > Digging ditches. Ain't never had much schooling. > > Penny > oh gee thats too bad, I was thinking how nice it would be to have a vet on here who was speaking to me. I only know of one so far and I have to keep my location secret or she'll drive cross country and put a bag of horse poop on my porch and set it on fire and ring my doorbell. But its hey, your loss. I was gonna discuss all sorts of really cool stuff with you, like how tivar and nasi's blood is being studied at cornell vet school and Jaspar's blood work came back fine but a little anemic even tho I have had him on that equine geritol for two months and how I have some video on youtube from when I spoke at auburn vet school because I have had the only icelandic in the history of the planet to officially die of rabies in my pasture and all the dozens of unsuspecting people who were exposed. Then I was gonna share with you my "QUESTION AUTHORITY" mentality when it comes to vets and engineers and doctors :) Jaspar gained 15 pounds the last four days btw. WHOOO HO, my big man is on the MEND. Keep praying, you know who you are! apparently my other vet, the really best vet around, is uhmn, how shall we say, NOT the best equine dentist... but now i think his teeth are ok and he's gaining! anyway. If you are not a vet, but a doctor, I have this mole on my shoulder... Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
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> Shave. The hair does not protect them from heat > unless the air is warmer than horse (about 38 C > whatever that is in F). And even when it's warmer > the hair probably makes sweating less effective. > > Thank you. All this physics talk has me confused. LOL. I have shaved and need to again already. They are like mammoths in 80 degree weather. Lorraine Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
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> Hey, does anyone remember hearing that Icelandic's get lethargic in the > fall, as they start growing their winter coats? I remember being told > somewhere that's because their bodies are diverting so much energy to hair > growth. That's not, true, is it... anyone...? Aren't they most likely a > little lethargic simply because they are hot? I bought into that at first but came to the same conclusion you did after some thought. Is there anywhere that it starts getting cold as soon as their hair starts to seriously come in (I would say around late August, early Sept.) and do they get lethargic in those locations? -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
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>>>Now the poor horses that land in Florida or AZ or southern CA are at mercy to its owners and their good sense. I don't think this is literally what you're talking about, Sylvia, but I've heard people imply that it's cruel to bring Icelandic's to the warm parts of the US. I do agree that we need to take action when they are uncomfortable, but for the record, my Icelandics seem to do wonderfully well in the heat in June-August - no difference from any other breed. In fact, I've noticed some really hot days when my non-icelandic's seek shade, but the Icelandic's voluntarily stay in the broiling sun, not appearing uncomfortable at all. The only times they seem at a disadvantage is when they have their winter coats. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.33/1133 - Release Date: 11/15/2007 8:57 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Long hair that doesn't go away during the summer. In a really hot area , when he sweats the moisture never gets to see the surface air to be evaporated. so shaving during the summer is a good idea. My Icelandic's shed out as sleek as any horse in the summer. A few don't shed quite soon enough to cope well with our warm spring weather in NC and I clip them, but mostly, mine do well in the heat of NC summers - as well as my non-Icelandic's. The tough time for Icelandics in NC is late summer through fall - mostly about September 1 - early December. Our weather can be hot this time, or at least very warm (not today, though) and the emerging fur is just too much for them. Hey, does anyone remember hearing that Icelandic's get lethargic in the fall, as they start growing their winter coats? I remember being told somewhere that's because their bodies are diverting so much energy to hair growth. That's not, true, is it... anyone...? Aren't they most likely a little lethargic simply because they are hot? Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.33/1133 - Release Date: 11/15/2007 8:57 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 11/16/2007 8:14:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You know I have been reading the talk about shaving and sweating of the Icelandic horses. I want to know the warmest day in Iceland and the warmest night? I think this horse was there for such a long time it probably has to have cold weather to be conformable, RIGHT? Now the poor horses that land in Florida or AZ or southern CA are at mercy to its owners and their good sense. I cannot see shaving a horse in Canada really, do you people do that? Summer there is what temp? Does any of this make sense? My horse is getting shaved on a section of his body to allow him to cool off better when ridden. Its eighty some here this week. Sylvia ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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Just thought I'd put in my 2-cents about the sweating. Most horses shed their winter fur when summer comes. this shorter hair allows the sweat to coat the hair and be evaporated, pulling heat away from the body.Kind of like the fins on a radiator. I think Darwin would agree, an Icy horse it has evolved to fit its environment. Long hair that doesn't go away during the summer. In a really hot area , when he sweats the moisture never gets to see the surface air to be evaporated. so shaving during the summer is a good idea.Dwight
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>>> I am married to an engineer. Do I get to tell engineer jokes? Uh...oh, ok...sure. I'm married to an engineer too. Can you imagine a two-engineer family? . Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.33/1133 - Release Date: 11/15/2007 8:57 PM
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> > I'm not tired - I love thinking about sciencey-stuff. But hey, I'm an > engineer, so whaddya expect from me...?! :) > > Actually, I've missed having you on the list, Penny, and am happy to have > you back for these discussions. Good to have a vet on board! Hi Karen; The vet thing will be a mixed blessing for all of you - I am sure. I am married to an engineer. Do I get to tell engineer jokes? Penny
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> > Actually, I've missed having you on the list, Penny, > and am happy to have you back for these discussions. > Good to have a vet on board! > > Oh. You are a vet??? No wonder you are so smart. I really thought I was stupid. Lorraine Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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> Are you a VET?? boy do we have a lot of questions for YOU. I hope > you werent planning on just hanging out here in a chatty relaxing > non-professional mode :) > Janice-- > yipie tie yie yo > Oh, no, not a vet. I am a ... uh ... ditch digger. Yup, that's me. Digging ditches. Ain't never had much schooling. Penny
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Are you a VET?? boy do we have a lot of questions for YOU. I hope you werent planning on just hanging out here in a chatty relaxing non-professional mode :) Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
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>>> Is everyone tired of the science lesson? Have I just added to the >>> confusion? I'm not tired - I love thinking about sciencey-stuff. But hey, I'm an engineer, so whaddya expect from me...?! :) Actually, I've missed having you on the list, Penny, and am happy to have you back for these discussions. Good to have a vet on board! Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.33/1133 - Release Date: 11/15/2007 8:57 PM
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Lorraine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> kirjoitti: > > If normal physics apply to horses then as long as > > the horse is warmer than the environment the hair > > keeps heat inside the horse. If environmental > > temperature is higher than temperature inside the > > horse, then the hair starts to keep heat outside the > > horse. > > > > What??? So are you say to shave them or not. > > Lorraine Shave. The hair does not protect them from heat unless the air is warmer than horse (about 38 C whatever that is in F). And even when it's warmer the hair probably makes sweating less effective.
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>I think we are talking about ten different subjects at once here too > :) One is should you blanket iceys and I think we all agree NO. It depends. I blanket Drifa when it rains because I have removed her heat retaining coat (by shaving). > are Iceys cooler clipped and we all agree YES, altho I dont think I > would clip mine in winter. They are cooler but whether that is a Good Thing or not depends upon the climate. Wanda probably doesn't need to shave her horses in the winter - they need their coats for the cold and it probably never gets warm enough for the ponies to sweat. >> I only clip mine in fall and spring cause > they have winter coat while its still so hot here. Yes. Then we are > discussing i think whether or not furry animals have a cooling system, > a nature made one, from different coats Yes, they do have different coats and the physical properties of that coat varies, depending upon that animal's natural habitat - think polar bear (Drifa) vs Arabian horse. Drifa's coat keeps heat in and an Arabian's coat gets rid of heat easier. Maybe think of it this way ... Lotsa heat inside the pony (from digestion, movement, muscle contraction etc). Heat flows off the pony and into the air via the skin. The type of hair, whether it is wet or dry and whether that air is moving or not, will determine if the heat stays in the pony or is lost to the air. If the air is too hot, the pony will not be able to give the heat to the air and it will overheat. > then whether arabs long white clothes are cooler, I think yes because > it would protect from sunburn and the skirts would allow drafts--- I > think this because here I am not allowed to wear shorts to work in > summer so I wear loose gauzy skirts and sandals and it works the same Yes. > :) and then what else oh, does wetting yourself down work the > same as hair on a dog, yes and no, and would you want to wear a sweaty > bra, no. Is everyone tired of the science lesson? Have I just added to the confusion? Penny
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--- Lorraine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Normal physics DO apply to dogs so that thick > coated > > dogs kept in hot > > It is just what I heard somewhere. I use to get my > Chesapeake cliped every summer nomatter what they > say. ** But horses sweat and dogs don't? Wouldn't that make a difference in clipping or not? Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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> >> > Normal physics DO apply to dogs so that thick >> coated >> > dogs kept in hot >> >> It is just what I heard somewhere. I use to get my >> Chesapeake cliped every summer nomatter what they >> say. > ** > > But horses sweat and dogs don't? Wouldn't that make a > difference in clipping or not? > > > Susan in NV > Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ All?/most mammals have some mechanism for dissipating heat - horses and humans sweat, dogs pant (and sweat through their feet), etc When horses sweat on endurance rides, the sweat must be washed off (if heat is a factor) because the sweat stays on, warms and doesn't evaporate quickly enough - worsening the heat stress. Weird, huh. However, in normal circumstance, when the horse starts to overheat. it sweats, and the evaporative cooling (sweat) keeps the core temperature within very strict limits. The skin will also dissipate heat to some degree, even if it doesn't sweat, just because it is next to the air and has a very large surface area. I am actually unsure exactly what you are asking here. But I will take a swing at an answer. Since both mammals (dogs and horses) need to dissipate heat when the core temperature of the animal starts to rise, both have mechanisms to dissipate that heat. Horses sweat, dogs pant. If you prevent the beast from dissipating the heat (by putting a coat on, or breeding for a heavy coat and then keeping it in a hot area, etc) you will have a higher rate of heat related disorders in those animals. If you prevent the dog from panting properly (breed short nosed dogs like bull dogs and pugs, then take them for a walk on a hot day in Stockton, California), you may just wind up with an overheated dog at my clinic where you will help support my horse habit and where I will warn you right up front that your dog may not survive despite all my best efforts. This also happens with depressing regularity with heavy coated dogs (like Chows) whose heavy coats prevent heat loss from the skin to the air. Another place to watch adaptation to heat in real life is the Tevis Cup - a 100 mile endurance ride in the hottest part of the summer not far from here. But I like the visual of the human running around in two heavy coats in 100 F weather best. Just do it outside an ER as once you start cooking, death is not far off. So - if your pony has a very heavy coat but you live in a warm climate, it will not be able to get rid of its excess heat (due to the heat being trapping within the body by that heavy insulation of the coat). So -when you ride, the pony will produce more heat (because exercise increases heat production), that heat will be trapped in the pony and the pony will sweat - but it may not sweat enough to dissipate the heat (because the coat will also hold the water and warm it, as well as holding in the warm air), and then it will pant. The hot air will remove some heat. If that doesn't work the pony will die. Drifa is shaved from the ears to her tail and down to her hooves. I may not be explaining this very well because I am tired! But, if this doesn't make sense, just come for a visit next summer and we'll head down to the ER with some heavy winter coats (I am sure that Wanda can supply the coats) Penny
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--- susan cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > But horses sweat and dogs don't? Wouldn't that make > a > difference in clipping or not? I don't know. Got me on that one. Lorraine Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
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On 11/15/07, Stephanie Caldwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If a sheet is good, maybe > wrapping them in tin foil would be even better? Shiny side out to > reflect all the heat off of them? What do you think? >ggg< > > > > Steph > -- i think as big as tivar is he might interrupt the norad system at the air force base. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
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the first time I clipped Nasi he was dry and not sweaty and as I clipped I thought the clippers were leaving oil and then realized next to his "scalp" he was drenched with sweat. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
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I think we are talking about ten different subjects at once here too :) One is should you blanket iceys and I think we all agree NO. Then are Iceys cooler clipped and we all agree YES, altho I dont think I would clip mine in winter. I only clip mine in fall and spring cause they have winter coat while its still so hot here. Then we are discussing i think whether or not furry animals have a cooling system, a nature made one, from different coats and I think yes but others no, then whether arabs long white clothes are cooler, I think yes because it would protect from sunburn and the skirts would allow drafts--- I think this because here I am not allowed to wear shorts to work in summer so I wear loose gauzy skirts and sandals and it works the same :) and then what else oh, does wetting yourself down work the same as hair on a dog, yes and no, and would you want to wear a sweaty bra, no. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
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On Nov 15, 2007 2:20 PM, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If the reflectiveness of a white sheet is a factor (and I've never used one, > so I won't comment), then we should REALLY think about the opposite: the > poor DARK colored Icelandic horse who not only is wearing a natural-fur-coat > by early September, but a dark coat at that! I think it might make a small difference... Not enough that I'm making all my horses wear sheets all summer. ;) If a sheet is good, maybe wrapping them in tin foil would be even better? Shiny side out to reflect all the heat off of them? What do you think? >ggg< Steph -- "Brutality begins where skill ends." "Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels." Von Niendorff
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>>> I've heard it's cooler. That's also why people put white sheets on black horses in turnout, you know it reflects the sun and keeps them cooler. It did seem somewhat true at least when I had the SE horse who wore a full coverage sheet, her skin was way cooler than the naked horses when they came in at night. Just a one rat study in one summer... If the reflectiveness of a white sheet is a factor (and I've never used one, so I won't comment), then we should REALLY think about the opposite: the poor DARK colored Icelandic horse who not only is wearing a natural-fur-coat by early September, but a dark coat at that! I clip my almost-white palomino, Sina, because I can't see that light colored fur is any advantage, but on the other hand, my darker horses may indeed suffer even more...I'm only talking about possible "degrees of bad" though! Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.32/1131 - Release Date: 11/14/2007 4:54 PM
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but here in fla for instance, I wet my clothes in summer and ride, work in the yard etc. makes it cooler. Yes, but think about how unbearable it is when your bra gets soaked with salty sweat - that is the grossest thing about summers here, and that does NOT make you feel cooler at all. >>>and in like, arabia, they cover themselves head to toe to be cooler. Is that really to be cooler, or for sunscreen effects, and/or for religious/modesty reasons...? Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.32/1131 - Release Date: 11/14/2007 4:54 PM
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if wet especially it can be really hard on > them. In my years in horses, at different times, I have used 4 vets consistently and everyone one of them has said that they have more clients that make their horses sick by keeping them too warm than too cold. I do think when they are wet, though, that does change the situation. Of course, the ponies don't get wet down to the skin from rain or snow - it's only when they sweat from exertion. The only horse we ever owned that needed a blanket was our Polish Warmblood and he just didn't have a coat hardly at all - even in the worst of winters. We blanketed him but we weren't as riduculous as his previous owner. When he came to us she sent him with a full page of instructions on the different blanket combinations he needed in 5 degree temperature increments. She bred him and had him his entire life until we got him and I have to wonder if by starting him out this way, that she didn't create this - we will never know. -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
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On Nov 15, 2007 1:21 PM, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, but think about how unbearable it is when your bra gets soaked with > salty sweat - that is the grossest thing about summers here, and that does > NOT make you feel cooler at all. I think sweaty blue jeans and underwear take the cake for me. >ducking< It's only been this summer that I have to wear a bra at all, guess I'm finally maturing. > Is that really to be cooler, or for sunscreen effects, and/or for > religious/modesty reasons...? I've heard it's cooler. That's also why people put white sheets on black horses in turnout, you know it reflects the sun and keeps them cooler. It did seem somewhat true at least when I had the SE horse who wore a full coverage sheet, her skin was way cooler than the naked horses when they came in at night. Just a one rat study in one summer... Steph -- "Brutality begins where skill ends." "Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels." Von Niendorff
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If they are standing in the pasture and sweating then they need some relief. If they are panting after a walking trail ride - they need some relief. Just use common sense. I think we worry way too much about our horses getting cold and it should be the other way around. I think I've posted this before, but somewhere in my past I read an article (Equus, early 1990's maybe) that said that studies show that the OPTIMAL working temperatures for horses are between about 5-55 degrees F. Notice that says "optimal", and it says "working". And that article was in a "mainstream" horse magazine, so it certainly wasn't aimed towards our wooly yaks. It certainly seems true based on my observations. Only our Arab will go into the barn of his own accord on a regular basis when it's in the 20's. He doesn't shiver then, but he's obviously cool. I can't think of a time that another of my horses ever acted cold - except for my old QH during the last year of his life, when he was in the final stages of Cushing's disease. I own a few blankets - just in case any of mine get sick or whatever, but I don't use them. I have known it to get down to around 0 degrees F here - not often, but the horses have never seemed fazed by the cold. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.32/1131 - Release Date: 11/14/2007 4:54 PM
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I dont blanket my icies, but here I think my other horses need it now and then, not because it is cold, but because like today, the roller coaster of temperature is just unreal. The temp today is supposed to drop 40 degrees between now and midnight, so its 71 now, sunny and humid, rained this morning a little so they will have long winter hait that is damp to the skin. Then after dark very windy, so there will be windchill, temps below freezing. My donkey in particular, one morning when temps dropped similarly I went out to feed and he was standing off just looking miserable and wouldnt come eat so I walked out to check on him and he was shivering, shaking like a leaf. I called in sick that morning and drove to jeffers and bought him a blanket. I really think its what they are used to. and they cant get used to a drop in one day from sunny and warm, almost hot, then go with damp winter coat to below freezing and blasting north winds. not out in the open like mine are... altho many many do, so all but the donkey, I'm real sure they could live without being blanketed, its nice to do it for them tho I think! But the donkey, i think if wet especially it can be really hard on them. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
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> Sweating is part of the process to make you cooler which you also > accomplish by wetting your clothes. The clothes that the they use in > the desert to reflect the sun are always light and loose - not like a > fur coat next to your skin. Their clothes allow a lot of air flow. right. but she was saying animal fur doesnt have any sort of double coat (of different textures) built in air conditioning properties, that its the same as a human wearing a coat in the sun. I dont think so? I think they have different coats next to the skin and that it traps sweat and has a colling property. Because when mine are hot and I clip they appear dry but next to the skin they are wet. I could be wrong and most likely am :) but just seems mother nature had something in mind when she gave animals two coats? In summer I sweat, my skin has sweat on it and it is cooling. But when I wet my clothes, they stay cooler and wetter than my skin. because they are further from my skin. Maybe a physicist need to explain it to me... Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
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What??? So are you say to shave them or not. I don't know about the laws of physics (ok, as an engineer, I probably know more about 'em than a lot of folks...) but experience and observation tells me clipping is DEFINITLEY a good thing to do for Icelandic's. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.32/1131 - Release Date: 11/14/2007 4:54 PM
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When it is 110 F, you need to get sweat, or pant, or move less, seek shade to get rid of the excess heat. But, it makes an interesting little experiment to try on yourself. Next time it is very hot, wear two heavy coats and run around out in the sun. No thanks! I'll take your word for it. :) Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.32/1131 - Release Date: 11/14/2007 4:54 PM
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> but here in fla for instance, I wet my clothes in summer and ride, > work in the yard etc. makes it cooler. and in like, arabia, they > cover themselves head to toe to be cooler. Sweating is part of the process to make you cooler which you also accomplish by wetting your clothes. The clothes that the they use in the desert to reflect the sun are always light and loose - not like a fur coat next to your skin. Their clothes allow a lot of air flow. -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
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. But, it makes an interesting little experiment to try on > yourself. Next time it is very hot, wear two heavy coats and run around out > in the sun. but here in fla for instance, I wet my clothes in summer and ride, work in the yard etc. makes it cooler. and in like, arabia, they cover themselves head to toe to be cooler. janice -- yipie tie yie yo
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But, it makes an interesting little experiment to try on > yourself. Next time it is very hot, wear two heavy coats and run around out > in the sun. Penny - you are too funny - are we going for the Darwin award here - if you're stupid enough to do this and die from heat stroke, you need to be removed from the gene pool anyway? It is a good point, though. I have heard that dogs -(especially sheepdogs) needed a longer coat in the summer for insulation and always though it was stupid. Please,Folks, shave/clip your Icies if you are in the South or heatbelt areas. If they are standing in the pasture and sweating then they need some relief. If they are panting after a walking trail ride - they need some relief. Just use common sense. I think we worry way too much about our horses getting cold and it should be the other way around. A trace clip will give some relief and keep a horse plenty warm in all but the most frigid areas. I have only known one horse here in NC that really needed a blanket in the winter and that includes all kinds of breeds. We can get into the teens and twenties at night in winter but the horses stay comfortable. -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
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> but isnt there some sort of cooling factor involved with double coats etc? nope. animals are designed to be comfortable in certain temperature ranges. Most of the time, for most temperate and hot zone animals, they must disipate heat. All day long, an animal makes heat -from digestion, from moving, a lot of the activities a body does actually produces heat. The body also needs to keep the internal temperature at a certain small range (which varies a little between species). For dogs, horses, people, cats .. its in the vicintity of 100 F. So when it is cold outside, you may need to have a heavy coat/fur to keep the heat you make inside. When it is 110 F, you need to get sweat, or pant, or move less, seek shade to get rid of the excess heat. But, it makes an interesting little experiment to try on yourself. Next time it is very hot, wear two heavy coats and run around out in the sun. Penny
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> If normal physics apply to horses then as long as > the horse is warmer than the environment the hair > keeps heat inside the horse. If environmental > temperature is higher than temperature inside the > horse, then the hair starts to keep heat outside the > horse. > What??? So are you say to shave them or not. Lorraine Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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the> > > > Normal physics DO apply to dogs so that thick coated > dogs kept in hot It is just what I heard somewhere. I use to get my Chesapeake cliped every summer nomatter what they say. Lorraine Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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but isnt there some sort of cooling factor involved with double coats etc? Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
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> Lorraine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> kirjoitti: >> > you think it would help if his hair was longer(to >> > act as a cooling >> >> I was told to clip them. I clipped my two but they >> are still growing hair. I have heard that about long >> haired dogs. That the long hair protects them. > > If normal physics apply to horses then as long as the horse is warmer than > the environment the hair keeps heat inside the horse. If environmental > temperature is higher than temperature inside the horse, then the hair > starts to keep heat outside the horse. > > Krisse Normal physics DO apply to dogs so that thick coated dogs kept in hot climates are at much higher risk of heat stroke that the short coated guys. If a heavy coat actually protected the dog against the heat then we would all be wearing down coats when it is 100 F . Penny >
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On 11/15/07, Skise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lorraine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> kirjoitti: > > > you think it would help if his hair was longer(to > > > act as a cooling > > > > I was told to clip them. I clipped my two but they > > are still growing hair. I have heard that about long > > haired dogs. That the long hair protects them. > > If normal physics apply to horses then as long as the horse is warmer than > the environment the hair keeps heat inside the horse. If environmental > temperature is higher than temperature inside the horse, then the hair starts > to keep heat outside the horse. > > Krisse > wow that is interesting. maybe why when its hot out, they look dry, but right at the skin they are wet with sweat. air conditioning. it is going to be in the twenties here tomorrow and I am going riding YAY janice-- yipie tie yie yo
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Lorraine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> kirjoitti: > > you think it would help if his hair was longer(to > > act as a cooling > > I was told to clip them. I clipped my two but they > are still growing hair. I have heard that about long > haired dogs. That the long hair protects them. If normal physics apply to horses then as long as the horse is warmer than the environment the hair keeps heat inside the horse. If environmental temperature is higher than temperature inside the horse, then the hair starts to keep heat outside the horse. Krisse
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> I live in the Central Valley of California (south of > Sacramento a ways). Where do you live. I have a sister in law in Sac. I know the area. Lorraine Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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... former got showman ... Been there, done that. We showed a string of 15 Saanen dairy goat does and body clipped every one of them. They were beautiful and elegant and we loved them dearly. Nancy
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>> located in Apache Junction, Az so it is hot here. I >> have clipped his > > OH MY GOSH. WE HAVE TO MEET! I am off of Mnt. > View and Broadway. Near the Cross Cut trailhead. I > know the feeling. My horses have been breathing hard > and sweating. And I hate our summers. Lorraine > > Lorraine I live in the Central Valley of California (south of Sacramento a ways). Hot. Drifa gets shaved from the jaw/ears to the tail and hooves at least twice a year. Once at the end of August/beginning of September, then once or twice during our "winter". No snow, occasional bitter cold (30 F). I get a friend - former goat shower - to shave Drifa and she does a lovely job. If I do it we become objects of amusement and snotty remarks from our "friends". If it rains I do put her in the barn (she likes that). Penny
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> you think it would help if his hair was longer(to > act as a cooling I was told to clip them. I clipped my two but they are still growing hair. I have heard that about long haired dogs. That the long hair protects them. Lorraine Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
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> located in Apache Junction, Az so it is hot here. I > have clipped his OH MY GOSH. WE HAVE TO MEET! I am off of Mnt. View and Broadway. Near the Cross Cut trailhead. I know the feeling. My horses have been breathing hard and sweating. And I hate our summers. Lorraine Lorraine Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
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On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:04:17 -0500, you wrote: >He doesn't sweat like all of my other horses have in the past, he only >sweats a little under his blanket. > > >Does he not sweat much - or is the sweat basically hidden in his coat? Our boys spent a good hour playing hard yesterday, and it was a pretty warm day - about 11 degrees centigrade (that's about 50 F). Afterwards, none of them were really visibly sweating but they were all dripping if you looked closely. It just didn't penetrate their coats. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
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I am new to the Icelandic world but I have owned gaited horses all my life. Welcome to the list! What's your horse's name? We love pictures...hint, hint... :) >>> I totally love my new Icelandic but I do worry about him. We are located in Apache Junction, Az so it is hot here. I have clipped his hair to help with the heat. Even in the winter we are looking at 80's during the day. I did a pretty extensive trace clip on most of my riding horses about a month ago. I didn't clip Eitill, since I knew he was going back to MI. This morning, I was sorry. It was about 54 degrees and at 8am, he was already damp. I hated for him to get on the trailer damp, but he has a private box stall and was only going to Virginia for the first leg of the trip. Our average winter highs are probably in the 50's (Jan, Feb) but we have some days where the highs don't get above freezing, and other days where it can hit mid-70's. If I had all the time in the world, I'd be tempted to body clip all my Icelandic's about the end of September/first of October, then do a good trace clip early-November. He doesn't sweat like all of my other horses have in the past, he only sweats a little under his blanket. Does he not sweat much - or is the sweat basically hidden in his coat? If he's not sweating much at all, I'd be concerned and have a vet check him. I think you'll find that the panting goes away (mostly, assuming he's healthy) when you find the optimal haircut for him in your climate. Of course, I'm still working on finding our "optimal" here, so don't get the feeling I'm criticizing. It takes a while to figure all that out. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.31/1129 - Release Date: 11/13/2007 9:22 PM
