Re: [Ilugc] Help needed with Linux in school

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Friends,

The mail was typed in by me when I was in Vilupuram on May 12, 2008 to
participate in a Valaipadhivar Pattarai.

We helped the participants to create Email accounts, blogger accounts and
learn to read and write in Tamil. Towards the end of the day, I started
talking about Tamil operating systems and brought up Linux.

Atleast half a dozen persons immediately started showing interest. Mr.
Senthil is one of them.

Schools have received computers, no one to teach them how to use. They want
to install Windows if possible. The department says, you do whatever you
want, we will not question. But the teachers are not taking any risks. In
many places computers are kept unused.

I am sure similar conditions prevail in other parts of the state also. I
suggested to Mr. Senthil to send a mail to ILUGC and typed the gp message
from his email account (newly created).

Mr. Senthil promised that he will arrange a meeting of teachers from all the
schools in the area for a training session. I have suggested that we can
solve their problems in one or two sittings and get the computers working in
the schools.

I am not sure, whether he is conversant with emails and mailing list
communications. We need to do something before the new school year begins.

Best regards,

Ma Sivakumar

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>
> On 11-May-08, at 10:53 PM, Bharathi Subramanian wrote:
>
>  On 5/11/08, sen kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
 I am a teacher in a government school in Viluppuram. We have
 received computers with Linux installed

>>>
>>  Being may, Its likely that all schools around will be having
>>> Holidays. Will it be possible for you to convene a meeting of all
>>>
>>
>> It is very difficult to convince every-one to come to single place
>> on holiday that too with-out TA,DA, ...:) My suggection is invite
>> the OP to NRC-FOSS to spend few days over there to understand the
>> basics of "SUSE" Distro.
>>
>
> NRC-FOSS could supply some TA-DA
>
> --
>
> regards
> kg
> http://lawgon.livejournal.com
> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/
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Re: [Ilugc] Help needed with Linux in school

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Ramadoss,

vaNakkam.

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 12:54 PM, ஸ்ரீ ராமதாஸ் <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Just need to have one info.
>
> What happened to training program initiated by ELCOT for these staffs?
>
> Didn't it happen at all?
>

The teachers did not get any training it seems. They say they are not able
to install any programs from the CD provided by ELCOT themselves.

அன்புடன்,

மா சிவகுமார்


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Re: [Ilugc] Help needed with Linux in school

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On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Mohan L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > Can we, in ILUGC, take turns to visit the site and help out these folks ?
> >
> > If anyone is willing to join me, we can plan for our first visit next
> > weekend (weekdays it's not possible for me due to commitments in day
> > work). Of course, the teachers and students should be available during
> > our weekend visit.
>
> Hi,
> My native place is also near to villupuram. If you instrested  to
> visit the site and help out those folks.I will join with you.
>
> Thanks
> L.mohan
>

Mohan, Ramanathan

I also told Mr. Senthil that if he can arrange a group of teachers, I will
travel to Vilupuram this Sunday for the first session. If we can go as a
group, it would be very effective.

I am trying to contact Mr. Senthil through the people who organized the
Padhivar Pattarai. I will send the contact details as soon as I get them.

anbudan,

Ma Sivakumar


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Re: [Ilugc] Help needed with Linux in school

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On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Srinivasan Sundararajan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I hope you have seen my mails -- sent after you had submitted yours.
>
> If I could get in touch with Mr. Senthil and other teachers, we could
> organize some useful activity.
> Srinivasan.
> Project Scientist, NRCFOSS
> Tel: 044-2223  2711/4885 / 6958/6959
>   94443 02439
>

Yes Sir.

I will get the contact details of Mr. Senthil and other teachers. They all
took my cards and phone numbers, I was in a hurry to leave and did not take
their numbers :-(. Hope to get them by this evening.

anbudan,

Ma Sivakumar


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Re: [Ilugc] Help needed with Linux in school

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Mr. Senthil (9842377002) telephoned me. He said that, discussing with CEO,
he will try to arrange a training session for teachers in the district
during the first week of June (after schools reopen).

I told him that others from ILUGS and NRCFOSS might contact him for making
plans.

As immediate activity, he is eager to put the computers in their school (Sri
Nataraja Middle School) into use. Let us make further plans and visit
Viluppuram this weekend. Teachers from other nearby schools may also come
for training.

===Giving tamil translation also for the benefit of the school teachers if
and when they start participating in these discussions==

திரு செந்தில் தொலைபேசினார். தலைமை கல்வி அதிகாரியிடம் உடனடியாக பேசி விடுவதாக
சொன்னார். ஜூன் முதல் வாரம் எல்லா பள்ளி ஆசிரியர்களையும் திரட்டி ஒரு பயிற்சி
வகுப்பு நடத்த ஏற்பாடு செய்யலாம் என்று சொன்னார்.

உடனடி நடவடிக்கையாக வரும் ஞாயிற்றுக் கிழமை (மே 18, 2008) அவரது பள்ளியில்
(ஸ்ரீ நடராஜா நடுநிலை பள்ளி) இருக்கும் கணினியில் அவருக்குத் தேவையானதை கற்றுக்
கொள்ள ஆர்வமாக இருக்கிறார். அருகில் இருக்கும் பிற பள்ளிகளிலும் ஆசிரியர்கள்
ஊரில் இருந்தால் அவர்களும் கலந்து கொள்வார்கள்.

வரும் நாட்களில் திட்டமிட்டு வார இறுதியில் விழுப்புரம் போக முயற்சிப்போம்.

அன்புடன்,

மா சிவகுமார்
2008/5/12 ஸ்ரீ ராமதாஸ் <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>
> இங்கே அப்படி யாராச்சும் இருக்காங்களான்னு பார்த்து அவங்களை அணுகி
> பிரச்சனைக்கு தீர்வு காண இயலு
> ம்.
>
>

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[Ilugc] [Tamil] விழுப்பு ரம் பள்ளியில் ல ினக்சு கணினி - Linux Desktop in a school at Vilupuram

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மே 25ம் தேதி விழுப்புரத்தில் ஒரு நடுநிலைப் பள்ளியில் எல்காட் நிறுவனம்
அனுப்பியிருந்த கணினிகளைப் பயன்படுத்த உதவி செய்வதற்காகப் போயிருந்தேன்.

இரண்டு லெனோவோ கணினிகள். அகலத் திரை - 17 அங்குல அகலமும், உயரம் அதற்கு
ஏற்றவாறு இல்லாத திரைகள். தட்டைத் திரைகள்.

கணினியை போட்டால், சூசே 10.1 வந்தது. 512 MB RAM, 600 MHzX2 duo core
processor.

1. 'ஆன் பண்ணினால் ஆரம்பித்து திரை வரவே நிறைய நேரம் ஆகிறது' என்று முதல்
புகார். தேவையில்லாத சேவைகளை நிறுத்தி வைத்து விடலாம் என்று சொன்னேன்.
ஓப்பன் ஆபிஸ் பயன்பாடுகளைத் திறந்து காண்பித்தேன். கிளிக் செய்து பல
நிமிடங்களுக்குப் பிறகுதான் பயன்பாடு பயன்பாட்டுக்கு வருகிறது. தேவையில்லாத
சேவைகளை செயலிழக்கச் செய்த பிறகு வேகம் கொஞ்சம் அதிகமானது.

2. மென்பொருள் தகடுகள் இருக்கிறதா என்று கேட்டால் நாவல் 10 மேசைக் கணினி
மென்பொருளுக்கான அடர்வட்டைக் கொடுத்தார். அதற்கும் கணினியில் நிறுவியிருக்கும்
10.1 பதிப்புக்கும் தொடர்பு இல்லை. அந்த அடர்வட்டிலிருந்து யாஸ்ட் மூலம்
எதையும் நிறுவ முடியவில்லை.

கையோடு கொண்டு போயிருந்த சூசே 10.1 அடர்வட்டு சரியாக வேலை செய்தது.

3. குழந்தைகளுக்குக் கற்றுக் கொடுக்க இருக்கும் குறுந்தகடுகளை இயக்க
முடியவில்லை. வீடியோ தகடுகளைக் கூடப் பயன்படுத்த முடியவில்லை என்று அடுத்த
புகார்.

வீடியோ தகடுகளில் dat ஃபார்மாட்டில் இருக்கும் கோப்புகளை இயக்க என்ன வழி என்று
கூகுளில் தேட வேண்டும். இணைய இணைப்புக்காக கணினியை உள்ளுறை வலையமைப்பில்
இணைத்து விட்டார். பிஎஸ்என்எல்லின் அகலப்பட்டை இணைப்பு இருந்தது. தானாகவே
அதற்கான வடிவமைப்புகள் ஏற்பட்டு, இணையத்தை பயன்படுத்த முடிந்தது

பிஎஸ்என்எல் மோடத்தில் இருக்கும் DHCP வழங்கியிலிருந்து எண்களைப் பெற்று
தகவமைத்துக் கொண்டது.

dat கோப்புகளைக் கொண்ட குறுந்தகடுகளை இயக்க mplayer vcd://1 என்று பயன்படுத்த
வேண்டும் என்று ஒரு இடத்தில் தகவல் கிடைத்ததும். அதைச் செய்ததும் ஆங்கிலம்
கற்றுக் கொள்வதற்காக அவர் வைத்திருந்த குறுந்தகடு இயங்க ஆரம்பித்து விட்டது.

4. பிரேம்ஜி அறக்கட்டளை கொடுத்திருந்த பாடங்கள் கற்கும் தமிழ் குறுந்தகடுகள்
flash கோப்புகளை, exe கோப்பு ஒன்றின் மூலம் ஓட்டிக் காட்டுபவை. wine நிறுவிக்
கொள்ளலாம் என்று அதற்கு பல இடங்களில் தேடினேன். யாஸ்ட் மூலம் நிறுவுவதற்கு
மூலக் கிடங்குகளைக் குறிப்பிட்டு முயற்சித்தேன்..

நேரடியாக rpm கோப்பை தகவிறக்கி நிறுவினேன். கட்டளை முனையத்தில் wine exe கோப்பு
பேரை கொடுத்ததும் இயங்க ஆரம்பித்து விட்டது.

5. kdeedu நிறுவுவதற்கு முயற்சித்து முடிக்க முடியவில்லை. பொருத்தமான rpm
கோப்பு கிடைக்கவில்லை.

அன்புடன்,
மா சிவகுமார்்

===
Visited a middle school in Viluppuram to help with the Linux Desktop
provided by ELCOT. There were 2 computers (Lenovo Think Centre, Duocore
processor, 512 MB RAM, wide screen LCD monitor with SuSe 10.1 installed).

1. The system is too slow. Disabling some of the services increased the
speed a little. Using Open Office the response time is too long.

2. The DVD given by Lenovo (Enterprise Desktop 10.0) is not related to the
installed version (Open SuSe 10.1)

3. Internet connection worked. Sound works, display works. To run dat format
files from CDs, created a Desktop short cut
mplayer vcd://1

4. To run exe files (of some educational CDs), downloaded and installed
wine. The exe file was basically calling some flash files.

5. Tried installed kdeedu package. Could not get the right version.

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Re: [Ilugc] [Tamil] விழு ப்புரம ் பள்ள ியில் லினக்ச ு கணினி - Li nux Desktop in a school at Vilupuram

[சிவகுமார் மா]

Notes by Mr. Senthil:

=

Problem 1 : System Slow

Remedy
Start -> System -> Yast (Administrator Settings)

(will ask for root password - type password)

System -> System Services (Run Level)

List to be disabled

1. SuSe Firewall2 Setup
2. hotkeysetup
3. nfs
4. nfsboot
5. postfix
6. powersaved
7. running-kernel
8. suse Register

Finish

Restart and check the system

Problem 2 : Not able to run .dat

Remedy

Right click on the Desktop

Create new -> Link To Application

General (Tab)
Name : Vide Player
Icon : Click and select as you like

Application (Tab)
Description : Video Player
Comment :
Coommand : mplayer vcd://1

After inserting CD, just click on the icon created above.

Problem 3 : Not able to run exe files

Remedy
Click Firefox
Copy the URl to addressbar
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Emulators:/Wine/SUSE_Linux_10.1/i586/wine-0.9.63_aka_1.0.rc2-1.1.i586.rpm
press enter

Open with (Zen Installer)
(file will download)
enter root password
press Continue
(now Wine is installed)

Go to the file location of exe
right click and select Open With
type wine
select Remember Application
=



2008/5/27 ஸ்ரீ ராமதாஸ் <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Monday 26 May 2008 09:01:43 சிவகுமார் மா wrote:
> > மே 25ம் தேதி விழுப்புரத்தில் ஒரு நடுநிலைப் பள்ளியில் எல்காட் நிறுவனம்
> > அனுப்பியிருந்த கணினிகளைப் பயன்படுத்த உதவி செய்வதற்காகப் போயிருந்தேன்.
> >
>
> மகிழ்ச்சி.
>
> > dat கோப்புகளைக் கொண்ட குறுந்தகடுகளை இயக்க mplayer vcd://1 என்று
> பயன்படுத்த
> > வேண்டும் என்று ஒரு இடத்தில் தகவல் கிடைத்ததும். அதைச் செய்ததும் ஆங்கிலம்
> > கற்றுக் கொள்வதற்காக அவர் வைத்திருந்த குறுந்தகடு இயங்க ஆரம்பித்து விட்டது.
> >
>
> kde 4 Dragon Player இந்த குறையை போக்கும் போல தெரிகிறது.
>
> > 4. பிரேம்ஜி அறக்கட்டளை கொடுத்திருந்த பாடங்கள் கற்கும் தமிழ் குறுந்தகடுகள்
> > flash கோப்புகளை, exe கோப்பு ஒன்றின் மூலம் ஓட்டிக் காட்டுபவை. wine
> நிறுவிக்
> > கொள்ளலாம் என்று அதற்கு பல இடங்களில் தேடினேன். யாஸ்ட் மூலம் நிறுவுவதற்கு
> > மூலக் கிடங்குகளைக் குறிப்பிட்டு முயற்சித்தேன்..
> >
>
> restricted plugins எல்லாம் தொகுத்து ஒரு பொதியாக்கி வைத்துக் கொள்வது நல்லது.
> மாற்றுக்களை
> தயாரிக்கப்படும் வரை.
>
> --
> ஆமாச்சு
>



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Re: [Ilugc] Scene from Azhagan movie

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Girish,

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Girish Venkatachalam <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Anyway I am serving you rava upma since 'One day One linux command' is
> taking a well needed rest.
>

Rava Upma indeed is very tasty. Well received.

anbudan,

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Re: [Ilugc] survey of FOSS success stories

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BSG LeatherLink

We develop, implement and support enterprise management software running on
Linux/PostgreSQL/Apache-PHP

FOSS applications

All our clients have one server running the above FOSS software and our
application over it. Most of the clients are manufacturing units and 2 of
them are suppliers to manufacturers. We focus on leather / footwear industry
which is a traditional processing/manufacturing industry.  The servers are
running in Ranipet, Ambur, Vaniyambadi (small town leather processing
centres in Tamil Nadu), Chennai and in Burkina Fasso (West African nation).

We develop our application for FireFox and all client systems are provided
with FireFox browser to use our application.

Market Challenges

Offering low cost, reliable and trust worthy service is the key to success.
Our typical client is not familiar with modern enterprise software
applications and expect a service similar to Tally in price and usability.

We could start with low pricing (with no added licensing cost) and offer
multitude of benefits (secure access over network, provided with source
code, customized service, tailor made modifications).

FOSS support

We need a base Linux install (mostly Fedora, lately Open SuSe) with
development libraries. We compile PostgreSQL, Apach/PHP from source. We have
an SVN checkout of files in servers.

Maintaining and upgrading support applications and our scripts are never a
problem.

Summary

Have atleast 25-30 servers running Linux/Apache/PHP and upto 100 Desktops
running FireFox browser. Most of these are first computers for the companies
operating in rural Tamil Nadu.

Best regards,

Ma Sivakumar
BSG LeatherLink Pvt Ltd,
IT Services for Leather Industry,
No 3, 4th Cross Street, SVS Nagar,
Valasaravakkam, Chennai - 600087
Tel : +91 44 65191757
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On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> hi,
> Sandip Saini of NRC-FOSS is doing his PhD in a study of foss methodologies.
> As part of his work, he is trying to compile a set of FOSS success stories.
> Definition:
>
> 
> Documenting the success stories of FOSS implementation in India--
> Nature, Scope and Methodology of the study.
>
> The goal of the study is to bring out into public a reliable and
> independent compilation of some instances where FOSS implementation has
> been carried out successfully in India.
>  A 'success' in this context is defined as one where there has
> been an acceptance of at least one FOSS  technology or solution
> across at least one unit of organisation – a department, a
> project, an enterprise or  an institution – either public or
> private, either IT or non-IT. In other words, an individual who
> uses only FOSS for his/her needs would not qualify for being
> considered a success in this context; it has to be an
> organisational entity/unit. The best case would be where an
> entire large enterprise (a government department say like Indian
> Railways, a private corporation like an IT major or an
> Automobile manufacturing company, etc) has completely switched
> over to FOSS for all its IT and Computing needs, and the least
> acceptable instance would that of a small unit of an enterprise
> (one department of a University, one section of a company or
> government organisation,etc) that have started  using mainly
> FOSS for at least one significant part of its operations. All
> instances between these two limiting cases would of course be
> acceptable too.
> 
>
> We would be happy if members of these lists could suggest places he could
> investigate. You may contact him at:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> also feel free to post such things in this list.
>
> --
>
> regards
> kg
> http://lawgon.livejournal.com
> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/
>
>
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Re: [Ilugc] Managed SVN hosting providers

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Hi Mugunth,

We are using http://www.a2hosting.com/ for sometime now. The technical setup
and service response are impressive.

They have svn hosting option, I have not used it. You can try it.

Best regards,

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On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Muguntharaj Subramanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hi All,
> I am looking for a managed subversion hosting solution.
> Can some one suggest me a good managed svn hosting service provider based
> on
> your experience.
>
> Regards,
> Mugunth
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Re: [Ilugc] This is really funny

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 wrote:
> Micro$oft compares its servers with linux,unix and mainframes :O .>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver/compare/default.mspx

Thanks for the link Arun.

It is surprising how far Linux has traveled, to make Microsoft
marketing people to practically blabber. Anyone with even a limited
working knowledge of Linux will find statements about Red Hat Linux
stomach churning.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver/compare/windows-server-vs-red-hat-linux.mspx

First they laugh at  you
Then they ignore you
Then they fight you
Then you win.
http://vignettinglife.com/first-they-laugh-at-you/

//This is why i hate M$

No need to hate Microsoft. Pity can be a more appropriate feeling.

Best regards,
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Re: [Ilugc] Open Source now in political domain

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It is not really about one party or the other, I guess. There seems to be a
good level awareness among Government officials about need for open
standards.

Have a look at this tender document for developing and maintaining website
for Income Tax  Department.
http://incometaxindia.gov.in/archive/TenderWebMaster.zip

It talks about Non-proprietory Document Formats, Accessibility Issues, CSS
based design and sets the eligibility criteria quite low (at Rs 50 lakh per
annum turnover for 3 years).

The requirements look designed for a open source solution provider to bid
low enough and win the contract. Any proprietary software based bid does not
stand a chance, if (a big IF) an open source bids goes through the first
rounds.

Best regards,

Ma Sivakumar

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On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 12:35 AM, Bhargav Prasanna <
bhargavprasa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Whatever it is, I'm certain that political parties aren't trying to
> woo us to vote for them! :)
> Yes. It would be really wonderful to have a country up and running on
> FOSS..
>
> I remember reading somewhere, ZDNet i think, that this will draw flak
> from the proprietary software community and that there'll be lots of
> obstacles and hindrances from 'enemies', Microsoft topping the list..
> I won't be surprised of Microsoft agrees to develop a basic open
> source OS for the smartphones which the BJP plans to distribute if
> they come to power. :)
>
> --
> May the source be with you.
> Bhargav Prasanna
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Re: [Ilugc] OT: FOSS Lab Server - A virtual learning environment in Academia

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On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Common Man wrote:

>
> Mr.Baskar
>
> Where can I download the "Foss lab server". Is the source code available
> free?
> please post the link.
>
> Common Man
>

Common Man - Kilpauk Kandaswamy,

Allow me the liberty of answering your question. I am not sure whether Mr.
Baskar offers the source for free to everyone. If he does, that shows his
generosity.

To follow licence terms of open source software, he just needs to provide
source code to those *who bought his server. *Not to everyone.

I admire Baskar for the persistent efforts his company has been making to
bring Open Source options to educational institutions. As he had pointed
out, he has been doing it for over 5 years.

Efforts by Linux User Groups should be complimented by commercial offers
such as Linuxpert Academy for open source to thrive.

Disclaimer : I have met Baskar only once in a Linux Demo Day and just said
hello. I do not recall any other personal or professional communication with
him.

Best regards,

Ma Sivakumar

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Re: [Ilugc] OT: FOSS Lab Server - A virtual learning environment in Academia

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On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Kapil Hari Paranjape wrote:

>
> b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three
>years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your
>   ^^^
>cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete
>machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be
>distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium
>customarily used for software interchange; or,
>
> (Emphasis provided by me.) This is why the customisation provided by
> RedHat (which is extensive!) is available to the people who
> distribute CentOS --- all that is not available is the branding.
>
>
Trying to understand better.

*Accompany it with a written offer*

What does it refer to? Who gets the offer?

My understanding is that, recipient of your software (derivative of GPLed
software) gets the offer of Free Source Code. *not everyone.  *Correct me if
I am wrong.

Best regards,

Ma Sivakumar
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Re: [Ilugc] OT: FOSS Lab Server - A virtual learning environment in Academia

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2009/3/29 Sri Ramadoss M 

> Comman Man? யாரு? பேரு? என்ன செய்யறீங்க?
>
> அதென்ன கீழ்பாக்கம் கந்தசாமி?
>
> அதான் நீங்களா?
>
> நாங்கெல்லாம் அடையாளப்படுத்திக்களையா?
>
>
==
Translation:
Common Man? Who? Name? What do you do?
What does Kilpauk Kandasamy mean?
Is that you?
Are the others not identifying ourselves?
==

ஆமாச்சு,
இப்படி துருவித் துருவி கேள்வி கேட்டு எல்லா விபரங்களையும் தெளிவாக்குவதன்
மூலம் இவர் பாஸ்கர் மற்றும் லினக்சு அகாடமிக்கு விற்பனை உதவி செய்ய முயல்கிறார்
என்று எனக்குத் தோன்றுகிறது. இரண்டு நாட்களாக இந்த இழையைப் படித்த பிறகு
எனக்குத் தெரிந்த ஒரு கல்லூரிக்கு இதைப் பரிந்துரைக்கலாமா என்று தோன்றுகிறது.

அன்புடன்,
மா சிவகுமார்

==
Translation:

Amachu,
I feel that by asking these questions and clarifying all information, he is
trying to help Baskar and Linuxper Academy. After following this thread for
the past two days, it occurs to me now to recommend Linuxpert Academy to one
of the colleges I am familiar with.

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Re: [Ilugc] how to configure LAN in ubuntu 9.04

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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Ramkumar  wrote:
>
> Dear Friends,
>                  How  to configure static ip in ubuntu 9.04 (wired Network
> and wireless also ),

Google Search URL: http://www.google.co.in/search?q=ubuntu+static+ip+setting

The answer: (second result) :
http://www.ubuntugeek.com/change-ubuntu-system-from-dhcp-to-a-static-ip-address.html

Quote
===
open the /etc/network/interfaces file.

sudo vi /etc/network/interfaces

If you are using DHCP for your primary network card which is usually
eth0, you will see the following lines

auto eth0
iface eth0 inet dhcp

As you can see, it’s using DHCP right now. We are going to change dhcp
to static, and then there are a number of options that should add and
here is the example and you can change these settings according to
your network settings.

auto eth0
iface eth0 inet static
address 192.168.1.100
netmask 255.255.255.0
network 192.168.1.0
broadcast 192.168.1.255
gateway 192.168.1.1

Restart the neworking service using the following command

sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
===
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Re: [Ilugc] how to configure LAN in ubuntu 9.04

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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Mehul Ved wrote:
> 2009/7/29 சிவகுமார் மா :
>> Google Search URL: http://www.google.co.in/search?q=ubuntu+static+ip+setting
>>
>> The answer: (second result) :
>> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/change-ubuntu-system-from-dhcp-to-a-static-ip-address.html
>>
>
> You don't need to follow such a newbie unfriendly process these days.
> Simply right click on NetworkManager, edit your interface e.g. eth0
> and change IP to static and give the IP. All done without the need to
> touch any config files or go to CLI.

The problem is that there is bug in KDE Network Manager in (K)Ubuntu
9.04 . You will not be able to access the screen to change IP address
settings. I faced the same question last week and configured it the
way mentioned above :-)

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Re: [Ilugc] how to configure LAN in ubuntu 9.04

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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Mehul Ved wrote:
> 2009/7/29 சிவகுமார் மா :
>> The problem is that there is bug in KDE Network Manager in (K)Ubuntu
>> 9.04 . You will not be able to access the screen to change IP address
>> settings. I faced the same question last week and configured it the
>> way mentioned above :-)
>
> So the problem is only for those using KDE. Am not aware of that since
> I just have GNOME on ubuntu and NetworkManager works fine.

True!

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Re: [Ilugc] Fedora 10, 11 repositories @ IIIT, Hyderabad

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On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:12 PM, LinuXpert
Academy wrote:
>>If anyone needs complete Fedora 10, 11 repository, please let me know.
>>For each release version, the complete repository size is 25 GB.
>>
>
> The Fedora-10, 11 complete repository alongwith rpmfusion for i386 
> (Everything) is available in
> DVDs with us.
>
> Fedora-10 (Install - 1 DVD, i386-Everything-Repo - 4 DVDs, rpmfusion - 1 DVD)
> Fedora-11 (Install - 1 DVD, i386-Everything-Repo - 4 DVDs, rpmfusion - 1 DVD)

I would like to register my appreciation of this service provided by
Baskar and LinuXpert Academy. It is a big advantage to have access to
FOSS repository at a phone call away.  Recently I had an opportunity
to make use of this service, when we needed CentOS DVD.

Additionally, I was in AVC College Mayiladuthurai yesterday (August
17, 2009). When I asked the faculty to organize a Linux Demo Day by
their students, they said Mr Baskar visited the college some time back
and introduced Linux options.

Baskar, a big thank you for your tireless efforts in promoting Linux
and open source in Tamil Nadu. To my knowledge you are one
entrepreneur who has taken this as your core business in this part of
world. (Saravanan of  Lynus Academy is another example).

Hats off, keep up the good work.

Best regards,

Ma Sivakumar


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[Ilugc] [Tamil] மென்பொரு ள் வணிகத்துக்க ு சாவு மணி

[சிவகுமார் மா]

நண்பர்களுக்கு,

திறவூற்று மென்பொருள் இயக்கம் குறித்து என் வலைப்பதிவில் எழுதிய இடுகை உங்கள்
பார்வைக்கு.
http://masivakumar.blogspot.com/2009/09/blog-post_27.html

An article on Open Source movement in my blog (in Tamil)

அன்புடன்,

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Re: [Ilugc] My 2 minute software project - Fortune Cookies

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[A little off-topic, and hence top-post]

Amazing thread by Girish, Manvendra, Shakthi and Raman. Power of FOSS in
action!

best regards,

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On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Manvendra Bhangui wrote:

> On Fri, 2009-10-02 at 10:04 +0530, Girish Venkatachalam wrote:
>
> > No need to do this. Raman was quite correct. Fold is smart enough
> > not to break words!
> Actually it did break the lines exactly at the 61st char and broke
> quite a few of the words. Man of fold gave the following option
>   -s, --spaces
>  break at spaces
>
> > And inside vim you want to do se textwidth=72 that does the same
> > thing. Wonder why you want to fold at 60 characters. The standard
> > is 72.
> Next time I will try this because anyhow to put the '%' character
> after every quote, I am using vim
>
> > I wonder how to do it in perl/python. I don't have any idea at
> > the top of my mind.
>
> I just realized that I feel happy :). Just replying this mail in
> evolution and it has randomly picked up a thirukkural quote below
>
> -- Manvendra Bhangui
> http://www.indimail.org
>
> 306. சினம்என்னும் சேர்ந்தாரைக் கொல்லி இனம்என்னும் ஏமப் புணையைச் சுடும்.
> சினம் என்னும் சேர்ந்தவரை அழிக்கும் நெருப்பு, ஒருவனுக்கு இனம் என்னும்
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Re: [Ilugc] நம்ம பெயர் என் னா?

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2009/10/4 Kenneth Gonsalves 

> வணக்கம்,
>
> ஒரு கட்டுரையில் நம்ம சங்கத்தின் பெயர் 'சென்னை குனு லினக்ஸ் பயனர்
> குழு' என்று கொடுக்கப்பட்டது. இது சரியில்லை. என்னை பொருத்த
> வரைக்கும், சரியான பெயர் 'இந்தியா லினக்ஸ் பயனர் அமைப்பின் சென்னை
> கிளை' யானது.
>
>
இந்திய லினக்சு பயனர் குழு - சென்னை

என்பது சரியா?

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Re: [Ilugc] நம்ம பெயர் என் னா?

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2009/10/6 amachu 
>
> On Tue, 2009-10-06 at 11:36 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> > actually the correct translation is: சுதந்திரம் குறிப்பிடதக்கது
>
> but, that will convey nothing unless people understands it after seeing
> the English original..
>

வேண்டும் சுதந்திரம்
வேண்டும் விடுதலை

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Re: [Ilugc] Tamil 99 keyboard driver for KDE

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On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Shrinivasan T wrote:

> Friends.
>
> I am learning Tamil99 keyboard.
>
> I practice in http://tamil99.org/tamil99
>
> Is there any tamil99 keyboard layout available for KDE?
> I use kubuntu 9.04.
>

(Not the direct answer).

You can use SCIM in KDE for tamil input. Unfortunately, the key board
layouts are not usable.

I use
a. tamil-gtk2im in gedit (need to install gnome).
b. tamilkey in firefox (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2994)

Hope this helps.

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Re: [Ilugc] Tamil 99 keyboard driver for KDE

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On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Shrinivasan T wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Does scim come with tamil99 keyboard layout?
>
> Not officially. I found one layout after long search and it was not
correctly mapping keys.

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Re: [Ilugc] [TAMTRANS] problem is much worse than I thought

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On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves
 wrote:
> hi,
> I was using the translation memory of poedit to pull in all the Tamil
> translations available in my system for automatic translation. The results are
> horrifying. It is not just a problem of using high flown words - most of the
> translations are completely wrong. People have been translating without the
> faintest understanding of the english meaning. Simple things like translating
> adjectives as nouns or verbs as nouns and in many cases total nonsense. The
> goal seems to be 'how many strings can I do' to get karma or something like
> that. I now understand the magnitude of the task of doing kde - over 1 lakh
> strings, not only finishing it, but also rectifying most of them. It is
> certainly no joke, and we must activate groups who are willing to do this.
> Translation is not easy - it is hard and painstaking work, but very rewarding
> when the right words are found. And we need a lot of people to do this.

I can understand how you feel looking at the quality of translations.
In 2004, KDE translation was taken up by students on mass scale - 20
to 30 students working in a Dishnet centre. While a lot of efforts was
made to ensure quality and uniformity of translation, they were not
successful. During that time Tamil translation status crossed 95% mark
in KDE.

That was a good starting point, which could not be taken forward at
that time. Options to complete tamil translation of major FOSS
applications (KDE, Open Office, Gnome, FireFox,
Ubuntu/Fedora/OpenSuSe):

1. A dedicated team of translators working full time
This will ensure quality and uniformity of translations.
Need financial / institutional support.

2. Spread translation efforts among student community
It will be the true FOSS way
Cost is less
Quality is take what you get.

3. Combination of both
A core team of language experts defining terminology, managing commits
and ensuring quality
Volunteer army to do the volume work.

In my opinion, a Tamil Kanini project which aims to take a Linux PC to
schools / homes / shops would be one way to achieve the above. The
other could be government funded effort (NRC-FOSS?)

anbudan,
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Re: [Ilugc] [only slightly OT but FUNDAMENTAL] Nobel Laurate Dr. S. Chndarshekar's 100th birth anniversary

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On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Rajagopal Swaminathan
 wrote:

> Let us do *something*

What do you have in mind?

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Re: [Ilugc] Love to see "A Tip A Day" posts again

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Girish, On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Girish Venkatachalam
 wrote:
>
> Anyway the reason I am unable to do it now is that I am emotionally disturbed
> on account of my business situation.

Wish you that your business situation will improve and you will meet
success and earn wealth in the new year!

>
> It is certainly not the paucity of time or the energy and effort that
> goes into sending
> tips.
>
> In all sincerity I can claim that LUG as a whole has done very little
> to me for all the
> effort I put in for your welfare.

LUG is a co-operative place. The reward for the efforts are similar
efforts from other members. I guess there are many ILUG-C members who
have been contributing to the lively atmosphere in the list.

>
> It continues to be a noxious place with bad individuals always keen to
> find faults with other people.
>
> It is almost as though there were a reward in finding shortcomings.
>
> I say who gave you the right to find fault with anybody?
>
> Do I do that?
>
> I only criticize you in general when things go out of control.
>
> So it is a sad truth that most individuals who talk a lot in LUG are
> here to show off and to find fault with others.
>
> I am finding it increasingly difficult to pull on and contribute in
> such an unhealthy surroundings.

The proportion of fault finding, criticising emails in ILUG-C is quite
low. You just learn to ignore them and live with the abundance of
positive emails.

>
> Even some of my close friends who I built a relationship over half a
> decade do not understand my true nature. Sigh!
>
> Anyway now coming back to tips, I shall resume it in a fortnight or so.

I will wait for revival of your tips.

anbudan,

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Re: [Ilugc] Project for MBA(HR) student

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On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 1:07 PM, satyaakam goswami  wrote:
> MBA( HR) lemme think they can think of research in
>
> FOSS and Democracy/Govt : Fuctioning of Govt.
> FOSS and Politics : Humans are political in nature does FOSS help in
> overcoming that instinct too.
> FOSS and Employability specific in .in context : How community can play  +ve
> role in Economy through employment and what it takes to get a Day job in
> Alien world in the Context of Foss professionals.
> FOSS and Cosumer Bahaviour across .in : What do i need FOSS for aka common
> man does he perceive the same way as we are thinking.
>
> all of these i suppose involve Human factor in some way , does it Qualify i
> donna , just my 2 cents.

+1.

This will add value to FOSS. A paper on FOSS and Government, for
example, can be used by government departments to formulate their IT
policies.

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Re: [Ilugc] hi sir am kiran

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On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Rajagopal Swaminathan
 wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 1:09 PM, aishwarya .  wrote:
>>>
>>> hi sir there is problem on saving php files in ubuntu
>>> can any one tell is there any idea to save correctly
>>> it saying u could not save the file in var/www/kk.php
>>>
>
> I am NOT a developer. Primarily an admin
>
> Alternatively someone who is experienced in web development would like
> to post a tutorial explaining the workflow of a web based project
> using tools like IDE, SCM, profilers, the concept of
> Development-test-production environment etc in a simple way which
> would enormously benefit the students / newcomers to development.
>
> I use crude methods sometimes to hack away for minot changes in php
> scripts et. al. and the change perms etc as required which I know is
> not a proper workcycle. How I wish somebody shares that domain
> knowledge with us.
>
> In return I will try and help out people with HA clustering, and the
> such when it comes to admin (Centos, RHEL esp.)
>
> Most of the tutorials I have seen is mostly about using specific tool
> and very basic. they do not cover too much (I have seen some thing
> like that in exlipse a little bit)
>
> I will also help in reviewing, testing out the methods to my abilities.

1. php scripts are executed by web server (apache httpd) of the web
application.

2. The files should be accessible from webroot
(/var/www/ in your installation, /usr/local/apache/htdocs is another
location which is commonly  used)

3. With files stored in a directory under webroot, and webserver
started, you can access the files through a browser:
http://127.0.0.1/yourscript.php
OR
http://127.0.0.1/mydocuments/myscript.php

4. Usually webroot is owned by root. You can organize your working
scripts following way:
mkdir /home/yourloginname/myapplication
sudo ln -s /home/yourloginname/myapplication /var/www/myapplication

5. Now you can create, edit and save files in
/home/yourloginname/myapplication directory and run the files by
http://127.0.0.1/myapplication/myscript.php

==OR you change ownership of webroot (/var/www in your case)
chown yourlogin /var/www (which is not recommended)===

Hope this helps.

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Re: Re: Re: [Ilugc] Make file

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On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Mahalingam Subramaniam
 wrote:
> -- Original Message --
> ___
> Good Learning can be achieved only through manual insatallations & CLI sans 
> GUI.
> wtih thanks
> s.mahalingam
>

Please describe what you did step by step
1. Downloaded file
2. tar xvjf filename.tar.bz2
3. cd php-xxx
4. configure ()
5. make

Did you do configure with correct options? What was the final output
of configure?

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Re: [Ilugc] 50 Places Linux is Running That You Might Not Expect

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On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Mohan R  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> A nice article about where linux is running. They mentioned about Tamil
> Nadu, Kerala, Pakistan and lot of places. Nice list.
>
> http://www.focus.com/fyi/information-technology/50-places-linux-running-you-might-not-expect/
>
> Don't forget to read comments also.

Thanks for sharing Mohan.


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Re: Re: [Ilugc] to input files to another back end server sidescript

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On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Manokaran K  wrote:
>> To Upload files(through form submission) to backend server's script which
>> requires it as tis input files. The requirement is that once the form submit
>> button is clicked, the backend server's script supposed to get triggered to
>> execute itself so as to deliver its output using php and Javascript or any
>> other method.
>>
>
>
> When a form's submit button is clicked, the server side script specified by
> the 'action' attribute of your form gets invoked. What else do you want to
> do?

More details.

Create your html form using this:
http://www.tizag.com/htmlT/htmlupload.php

For action attribute set your server side script as value.

FORM action="http://somesite.com/prog/adduser"; method="post"

http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/forms.html

Hope it answers your query.

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Re: [Ilugc] Re: Reg: Debian Linux DVD

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On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 6:18 AM, Vamsee Kanakala  wrote:
> Mohan R wrote:
>>
>> Indeed its not relevant.

> I'm sure you're right from your perspective, but claiming a request to be
> irrelevant without finding out why the OP needs those DVDs does feel a bit
> presumptuous. Don't you agree?
>

True. If someone has internet connection with 250 MB monthly bandwidth
limit, they would like to go for DVDs rather than downloading.

Or someone who browses net from a Browsing Center and has a home
computer without internet connection.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_broadband_Internet_users

only about 6% Indian population has Broadband connection.

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Re: [Ilugc] [Commercial][Cross-post] FOSS Yellow Pages; List Your Firm

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On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya
 wrote:
>>
>>
>> is that the foss business model?
>
> --
>> regards
>> kg
>>
>
> What is a Foss Business model, if any?
>
> --
> Swapnil Bhartiya

The commonly understood FOSS business model : You write software and
release under FOSS licence. Charge customers for distribution costs,
Consulting, Training and Support.

FOSS Yellow Pages service you are building simply uses a commercial
business model where you create a network of buyers and sellers. Then
you try to monetise the traffic (eyeballs). You are using FOSS users /
companies as the traffic.

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Re: [Ilugc] [Commercial][Cross-post] FOSS Yellow Pages; List Your Firm

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On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya
 wrote:
>>
>> The commonly understood FOSS business model : You write software and
>> release under FOSS licence. Charge customers for distribution costs,
>> Consulting, Training and Support.
>>
>> FOSS Yellow Pages service you are building simply uses a commercial
>> business model where you create a network of buyers and sellers. Then
>> you try to monetise the traffic (eyeballs). You are using FOSS users /
>> companies as the traffic.
>>
>
> I did not know there was FOSS vs Commercial. FOSS doesn't mean programming
> or working for free of cost. I also agree with that.
>
> In Yellow Pages, the nature of 'product' is different from packaged
> software. It is a service. There is no code base -- its database and
> content. Mukware already releases all its content under CCL3.0 unported --
> so we are releasing our content (product) under the Free Software
> philosophy. In FOSS Yellow Pages, the community/readers will have
> *unrestricted* access to the database, that is our promise. By unrestricted
> I mean -- you won't have to pay or sign-up or register to access the
> database.
>
> However, companies who do business and make profit may not mind to get
> listed. Even if you are running a company you would rather choose a paid
> service than a free one.
>
> Skepticism is good but don't say we are 'using' FOSS users. There is no
> usage here as such.
>
> I hope I have made my point clear. By the way Katonda.com has no FOSS angle
> still we do a lot of advocacy stories and release all our content under CCL.
>

I understand your point and I am not sceptical also.

Merely pointing out that THIS service you are offering is not on FOSS
business model as commonly understood.

In most of yellow pages service, ordinary users get to use it FREE
(without paying) and businesses pay. You are following the same
practice.


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Re: [Ilugc] mount failed.. ubuntu 10.04

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On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 7:42 AM, chandan gupta  wrote:
> >From the day I installed ubuntu 10.04 I am facing this problem. was trying
> to sort out through googling and irc but couldnot be succesful.
> when I boot my system to lucid it shows some error as (with the logo of
> ubuntu)
>
> *ubuntu
> . . . .
> the disk dirve for /dos is not yet ready or not present
> continue to wait; or press S to skip mounting or M for manual recovery*
>
> when I press M I get something like this:
>
> *Filesystem check or mount failed.
> A  maintainance shell will now be started
> contorl-D will terminate this shell and contunue booting after re-trying
> file systems.
> Any further error will be ignored.
>
> r...@chandan-laptop:~#:*
>
>
> I tried some mounting commands but didnt work out.
> For time sake I am just skipping the mounting and doing my job. Its in fact
> affecting nothing. It shows all the partitions in linux.
> after skipping once it show same problem for /window partition too. so i got
> to skip twice.
>

It seems that before upgrade, you had two partitions being mounted at
/dos and /windows. With this upgrade, those partitions are gone and
hence you are getting the error.

As you say it is not affecting anything (check whether you had a
Windows partition with any important files), you can ignore it. To
avoid this error message:

edit /etc/fstab and remove lines corresponding to /dos and /windows.
(sudo vi /etc/fstab , be careful to remeve only these two lines).


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Re: [Ilugc] mount failed.. ubuntu 10.04

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>> > about editing that file. that file is readonly. I tried
>> > with vi but couldnot
>> > do. please clear the command if any to edit it.
>>
>> You will require super user privilege to edit /etc/fstab. Give following 
>> command to edit
>>
>> sudo vi /etc/fstab
>>

To Look at mounted partitions
df
this will show you mounted partitions in your system. Identify the
device name of your harddisk from the first column. Usually /dev/hda
(hdb, hdc etc) OR /dev/sda (sdb, sdc etc) with a numeric suffix.

1. partitions of your harddisks
sudo fdisk /dev/sda -l

2. content of your fstab file
sudo cat /etc/fstab

>From these decide what is to be changed in /etc/fstab and edit the file.

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Re: Re: [Ilugc] Wanted Coordinator!!

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2010/5/28 JAGANADH G :
>>
> If we are planing for such  a poll make sure that no duplicate / multiple
> votes are casted by a single person
>

If at all there is going to be a poll (I guess there will not be one),
it should be held during the next meet (voting right only to those
present).


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Re: [Ilugc] How to Create custom iso as well as bootable image

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2010/6/16 vellingiri :
> Dear Friends,
>   As I want to experiment, how to create bootable cd in debian lenny or
> ubuntu. I have get enough information from google which is not at all
> fulfill my requirement.
>
> 1. How to create my own custom cd in ubuntu or lenny?
> 2. How to add my own .deb packages in bootable cd image.
> 3. How to make it installable my .deb packages during the installation.
>
> Please anyone give your idea's and help for me to proceed.

Hi Vellingiri,

I am also looking for similar information. The first link I got
searching for "custom cd ubuntu" is
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization

I hope you also studied this documentation. Did you find that the
instructions here are not sufficient? What problems you faced?

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Re: [Ilugc] How to Create custom iso as well as bootable image

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2010/6/16 vellingiri :
> Dear Sivakumar,
>     Ya, I have already gone through the document which was specified by you.
> The problem I faced adding my .deb pacakges. I don't know how to integrate
> my packages. It got stopped there itself. Thanks for giving the information.
> Still I am doing R&D.
>

I have not got into creating the live cd yet (would do in the coming
days). From reading the  documentation at
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch

To install or upgrade a package you run (in the chroot environment)

apt-get install APPLICATION
OR
dkpg install .deb filename

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Re: [Ilugc] Devanagari Fonts Issue - Kubuntu 10.04, Firefox 3.6.3

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2010/6/16 Abhishek Amberkar [अभिषेक] :
>
> We both are using Firefox 3.6.3 (Mozilla Firefox for ubuntu canonical
> 1.0) on Kubuntu 10.04. The only difference is his Kubuntu installation
> is Fresh (done in last month) whereas I am upgrading mine since last 3
> years. Do I need to install any package?
>
> Installing / removing ttf-devanagari-fonts didn't help.
>

Do you have ttf-indic-fonts-core installed?

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Re: [Ilugc] Yum without Root Permission

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2010/6/17 Rajesh kumar :
> My problem is that i dont have root permission in my system in office. I
> need to install some packages for my development, usually i used to download
> the source, install using ./configure --perfix=path to my local directory,
> and use make and make install, i have added my local bin directory to
> bash.rc file so that i can use all the installed commands.
>
> Similar way i need to use YUM to install in my local repos, because its very
> difficult to install a source having toomuch of dependencies .

Some suggestions

1. apt-get has an option
  -d  Download only - do NOT install or unpack archives

You can use a similar option for YUM, get the packages downloaded
(with all dependencies)
http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/yum-downloadonly-plugin/

then install with option

--root= Install on a different root directory. (say
your home directory)

Look at this link for some discussions.
http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/RedHat/2006-04/msg00254.html

2. alternatively you can download the src rpms (here again you have to
work out dependencies.

3. Get root access or sudo permissions explaining your needs.


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Re: [Ilugc] Yum without Root Permission

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2010/6/17 Rahul Sundaram :
> On 06/17/2010 11:54 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
>>
>>> Fedora doesn't use sudo by default so no.  Unless he has root access in
>>> the first place, he wouldn't be allowed to configure sudo.
>>>
>>>
>> I seriously doubt whether any distro would allow it
>>
>
> Well on a Ubuntu system for example,  sudo  su -  and entering your own
> password would get your root access if you are first user in the
> system.  This would allow you to reconfigure sudo however you want.

In Ubuntu, the first user is root for all practical purposes. Any
privileged application can be launched by the first user by entering
their own password and getting sudo rights.

This just makes it easier for a single user to manage their system
without asking them to login as root.

Yes, Ubuntu also allows it only to the first user (who has root privileges).


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Re: [Ilugc] [Tip] Find out active IPs in a Linux LAN

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2010/6/17 Shrinivasan T :
> If you are on a LAN and wish to find out which computers in it
> currently have access to that certain LAN,
> you can use the following command:
>
> for ip in $(seq 1 254); do ping -c 1 192.168.1.$ip>/dev/null; [ $? -eq
> 0 ] && echo “192.168.1.$ip UP” || : ; done
>
> This will ping each computer on the 192.168.1.x subnet one time, with
> a one second interval between pings.
> The output should be something like
>
> 192.168.1.1 UP
> 192.168.1.17 UP
> 192.168.1.24 UP
> …
>
>
> Alternatively, you can use netdiscover:
>
> sudo apt-get install netdiscover
> netdiscover -r 192.168.1.0/24
>
> This will scan all the computers in that particular address range and
> present the active ones
> in a table that also provides a MAC address and a MAC Vendor line.
>

Another way is to use nmap

nmap 192.168.1.0-255

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Re: [Ilugc] Open Source Lab in the Anna University Syllabus

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2010/6/18 Yuvi Panda :
> Okay, color me stupid. GMail is messing up the formatting because the
> URL had a 'SPACE' in it.
>
> http://www.annauniv.edu/academic/ALL%20FILES_V_VIIISEM/ICE/VITOVIIISEM/ECE24042010.pdf
> (should work)

This file does not have any reference to Open Source Lab in the 7th
semester. Is it in CSE syllabus? Could not find it in the website.

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Re: [Ilugc] Open Source Lab in the Anna University Syllabus

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2010/6/18 Yuvi Panda :
> Ouch. Wrong Link YET AGAIN.
>
> http://www.annauniv.edu/academic/ALL%20FILES_V_VIIISEM/ICE/VITOVIIISEM/CSE_08.04.10_24042010.pdf
> -> Most definitely the correct link

Cool! Hats off to NRCFOSS!!

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Re: [Ilugc] Some good news.....

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2010/6/23 ThiaguWinID 

> It is not a good news
>
> I learnt computer science , c , c++ programming only because of easy user
> interface Microsoft OS.
> MS will not die. [ should not ]
> Ethically , it is not advisable to scrap a major company in any field.
> Because of MS products, you and me are able to communicate.
>
>
We need not be so magnanimous towards a company which caused so much harm to
the human progress by its illegal business practices in IT field.

All closed source software might not be evil. But this is one company whose
demise (which I do not think is imminent) would do a world of good to the IT
industry as a whole.

Just recall what happened with SCO's lawsuit against Linux companies? How
eager the same Microsoft was to fund and encourage that attempt! Without the
vigilance and efforts of open source community they would have been happy to
stifle Linux and associated open source software.

In an eco system, different type of entities should thrive. But some are
evil and actively damage everyone else. They should go.

It would be a good thing if Microsoft goes out of business taking with them
all their business practices.

That is my opinion.


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Re: [Ilugc] Linux in CGHS

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2010/6/23 narendra sisodiya 

> >
> Hope to see a Inverted game one day. where M$ will start listing its
> success
> stories
>
>
There is an ancient Chinese fable called "The Foolish Old Man Who Removed
the Mountains".

It tells of an old man who lived in northern China long, long ago and was
known as the Foolish Old Man of North Mountain. His house faced south and
beyond his doorway stood the two great peaks, Taihang and Wangwu,
obstructing the way. He called his sons, and hoe in hand they began to dig
up these mountains with great determination.

Another graybeard, known as the Wise Old Man, saw them and said derisively,
"How silly of you to do this! It is quite impossible for you few to dig up
those two huge mountains." The Foolish Old Man replied, "When I die, my sons
will carry on; when they die, there will be my grandsons, and then their
sons and grandsons, and so on to infinity *we grow*. High as they are, the
mountains cannot grow any higher and with every bit we dig, they will be
that much lower. Why can't we clear them away?" Having refuted the Wise Old
Man's wrong view, he went on digging every day, unshaken in his conviction.

(இங்கிருந்து சுட்டது :
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-3/mswv3_26.htm
)

===
FOSS community is like the Foolish Old Man and his family. With unshaken
conviction the community keeps digging one chip at a time. Any number
mountains will be moved away.

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Re: [Ilugc] Linux in CGHS

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2010/6/24 Yuvi Panda 

> 2010/6/24 சிவகுமார் மா :
> > FOSS community is like the Foolish Old Man and his family. With unshaken
> > conviction the community keeps digging one chip at a time. Any number
> > mountains will be moved away.
>
> Nice story :) But wouldn't the most pragmatic thing to do be  1.
> location the direction of the doorway, 2. move someplace else 3. Enjoy
> the scenery, create a tourist spot and rake in the dough?
>
> Mountains usually don't move. And if they do, it's not by any sort of
> action from our part.
>

:-)

It is a fable, probably a few thousands of years old. Just take the message,
with conviction which attracts more and more minds any task can be
accomplished!

A more detailed version is here.

http://www.chinavista.com/experience/story/story3.html

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Re: [Ilugc] Linux in CGHS

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2010/6/24 Jeyanthan 

> Let me add one more info to tis thread . .
>
> Government EB offices in my hometown (Madurai) got Computerized
> year(s) back and have been powered with Linux and its still being used
> as an ultimate source for billing and Record maintenance services ! :)
>
>
We can see Red Hat linux PCs at bill payment counters of EB offices in
Chennai also

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Re: [Ilugc] Some good news.....

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2010/6/25 Arun Venkataswamy 

> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Yuvi Panda  wrote:
>
> > Absolutely! Microsoft dying would be the best thing ever that can
> > happen to the freedom philosophy!!
> >
> >
> Would like to differ:
> *weak anthropic principle*: *"...conditions that are observed in the
> universe must allow the observer to exist."*.
> The observer here is the Free world/ILUGC/etc...
>
>
Free world is not just a reaction to Microsoft monopoly / business
practices.

Hundreds of years of scientific / engineering development was based on
sharing information and learning from others.  That was artificially
interrupted using copyright to restrict freedom of others by clever software
vendors, Microsoft being the most successful and evil of the lot.

FOSS and ILUGC are the natural way to develop and use software, it is not
just a reaction to Microsoft.

Without Microsoft FOSS / ILUGC will very well exist and flourish.

Linus Torvalds quote:

"Really, I'm not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a completely
unintentional side effect."

   - "The Way We Live Now: Questions for Linus Torvalds", New York Times,
   2003-09-28.


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Re: [Ilugc] Some good news.....

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2010/6/25 Arun Venkataswamy 

> 2010/6/25 சிவகுமார் மா 
>
> > Hundreds of years of scientific / engineering development was based on
> > sharing information and learning from others.  That was artificially
> > interrupted using copyright to restrict freedom of others by clever
> > software
> > vendors, Microsoft being the most successful and evil of the lot.
> >
> >
> "Patents" have existed since the 16th century.
> Almost all scientific / engineering development is protected.
> Forget the west, we had a big fight between TVS and Bajaj over an engine
> technology and TVS lost...
> The problem is definitely not what Microsoft created, it is something to do
> with "business"
>

As I understand, patents are designed to +share+ information (for a fee),
not to hide.

Scientists publish papers which have to be peer reviewed, sharing of
procedures and other information is a must.

Engineers / inventors design new processes for which they can obtain patents
by filing information with patent authority. Anyone else using the process
should get a licence (paying a fee) and access the information.

Software vendors did not use patent where they agree to disclose their
processes for a fee,  but copyright to close source and hide knowledge.

FOSS is not about money, but about access to knowledge. Restricting that
access was invented by software vendors, Microsoft being the most successful
among them.

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Re: [Ilugc] Some good news.....

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2010/6/25 Arun Venkataswamy 

> 2010/6/25 சிவகுமார் மா 
> Going off topic, But Bajaj had a patent - do you think they would have
> allowed TVS to use it even if they were willing to pay crores of rupees to
> access the information? My point was even in the engineering world you can
> control who gets to see what and who gets to use what.
>

I am not a lawyer, but as a layman I would expect the patent laws to
stipulate a fee for which anyone can access the innovation and use.

>
> > Software vendors did not use patent where they agree to disclose their
> > processes for a fee,  but copyright to close source and hide knowledge.
> >
>
> I don't think it is that simple. I guess we need to start another thread to
> discuss this!
> Well if you buy a car with an ABS system, do you think GM or TATA or
> Maruthi
> is going to give you it's embedded software source code or the source code
> of the engine management software because you have bought their product and
> you want the freedom to modify it?
>

Software,  yes. If they are distributing software (embedded or otherwise),
they better make the source code available so that user can be free of
vendor dependence.

GM, TATA or Maruthi cars can be serviced by third party mechanics. Only with
open source software similar servicing can be done for the software driven
components.

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Re: [Ilugc] Some good news.....

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2010/6/26 Arun Kumar 

> On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves 
> wrote:
>
> > innovation among lawyers. Imagine a lawyer who finds a loophole in the
> law,
> > patenting the use of the loophole and preventing others from using them
> > without a fee.
>
> I do this: Don't think too much the about the organization which keeps
> selling prop
> software and keep cursing whenever we talk about them with other F/OSS
> fellow/peers,
> nothing really going to stop them immediately! rather look at your
> community/region
> around,focus on promoting F/OSS and helping people either through any
> public forum
> or offline on how to come up with good things by using F/OSS tools.
>
>
I agree with you completely. However, closed source business model
disappearing would be a welcome consequence.

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Re: [Ilugc] Convert to Tamil fonts in pdf

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2010/6/26 Bharathi Subramanian 

> On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Nataraj S Narayan 
> wrote:
>
> > I would prefer to have the all information in the pdf posters to be in
> > Tamil, so that anybody can read and understand.
>
> Try cut and paste the Tamil content in OO and Convert into PDF.
>
>
I think, the posters are in English and received in pdf format.  There is no
Tamil content. OP is not looking for conversion but translation (pdf -->
text in English --> text in Tamil --> printout).

Translating from English to Tamil has to be done manually. Look at the
posters, type the tamil content in OO and export to PDF (not a solution
really!).

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Re: [Ilugc] Best Distribution for Web Servers - CentOS or Ubuntu ?

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2010/6/30 Balakumar Muthu 

> Hello All,
>
> Which is the best distribution for Web Servers - CentOS or Ubuntu ?. Please
> share your thoughts and experiences.
>

Between CentOS and Ubuntu, go for CentOS. I prefer Ubuntu for desktop and
CentOS or Open SuSe for server.

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Re: [Ilugc] Glaxo tries open-source philosophy in drug discovery

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2010/7/2 steve 

> On 07/02/2010 12:38 PM, Shrinivasan T wrote:
>
>> Galxo shares 13,500 chemical compounds with public which may be
>> capable against Malaria.
>> It won't seek any patents on any malaria drug, but might consider them
>> if the compounds yield drug for other diseases.
>>
>>
>> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703341904575266583403844888.html?mod=livemint
>>
>>
> Well, guess what ? Galxo didn't just suddenly realize the benefit of an
> open source approach out of the goodness in their heart. They were compelled
> to do so by the people who gave them the research grant. Want to take a wild
> guess who these people are ?
>
>
It is Glaxo
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Re: [Ilugc] [Tip] Easily Convert Code To HTML

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On 14 July 2010 00:27, Tha.Suresh  wrote:

>  Convert Code To HTML Using Vim
>
> If you wrote some elegant code, and want to publish it as a HTML page,
> you can easily do that in vim:
> In command mode, type this:
>
>:TOhtml
>
> A new buffer will be opened with the HTML source, just save it:
>
>:wq
>
> If the original file name was “thasucode.c”, you’ll find a new file in
> the same directory named “thasu.c.html”. Open it with your favorite
> web browser.
>


1. Thanks! I installed vim to try this out. Excellent tip.

2. The markup is all ugly with dozens of  

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Re: [Ilugc] [Tip] Easily Convert Code To HTML

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2010/7/14 Ashok Gautham 

> On GNU/Emacs,
>
> Open a file/type one containing the code
>
> M-x htmlfontify-buffer
>
> It even saves your theme colors.
>

It did not work.

Opened a file and typed M-x htmlfontify-buffer there was a [No Match] remark
and nothing happened.

Missing something?

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Re: [Ilugc] [Tamil] Request for tamil lovers

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15 ஜூலை, 2010 1:55 pm அன்று,  எழுதியது:

> // Those people who sends mails in Tamil,
> have to confirm their acceptance in this thread.
>
> Others, please wait for their confirmation.//
>
> இவ்விஷயத்தில் எவ்வித உத்தரவாதமும் அளிக்க இயலாது.
>
> பாருங்க நீங்க ஆங்கிலத்தில் மடல் எழுதினீங்க.
>
> ஆனா அது தமிழ் தொடர்பா இருக்கு.
>
> அதுக்கு தமிழிலும் பதில் எழுதலாம் வசதிப்பட்டவங்க ஆங்கிலத்திலும் எழுதலாம்.
>
> அதை மாதிரி நிறைய சந்தர்ப்பங்களை இந்த மடலாடற் குழு ஏற்கனவே
> சந்தித்திருக்கிறது.
>
> ஆர்கைவை கொஞ்சம் துழாவணும்னு கேட்டுக்கறேன்.
>
> தமிழ்ன்னு சப்ஜெக்ட்ல கொடுக்கணுங்னு கேக்கறதை புரிஞ்சுக்க முடியுது. ஆனா
> சந்தர்ப்பங்களில் அப்படி முடியறதில்லை. அதான் சூழ்நிலை.
>
> எவ்வளவு மன்னிப்பு வேணும்னாலும் கேட்டுக்கறோம். வேற வழியில்லை.
>
> கூடுமானவரை முயற்சி செய்யறோம், முடியலைன்னா சகிச்சுக்கோங்க.
>
> இப்ப கூட வீட்டுல ஒரு துக்க காரியம். வேலை தொடர்பான மடல்களை வாசிக்க
> டவுனுக்கு வந்தேன. வந்த சூழலில் இப்படி.
>
> மொழிபெயர்ப்பு கொடுக்கலாம்.. ஆனா நேரம் ஆச்சு கிளம்பணும்...
>
>
Implemented both the recommendations. (Added Tamil tag and provide
translation - Will do as much as possible for future mails  in the list)

==Translation begin ==
On this matter, can not give any guarantee.

See, you wrote in English. But, that is related to Tamil communication.
Reply to that can be in Tamil, those who can may write in English.

This mailing list has seen a lot of such instances. Request you to look
through the archives.

I can understand the requirement to mention Tamil in Subject. But, sometimes
it is not doable. That is the reality.

We beg your forgiveness, there is no other way out. Will try out best, in
case we could not comply, please bear with us.

Even now, there is a death at home. Came to the town to read work related
mails, and see this. Can give the translation.. but it is late, need to
leave.
===Translation end=

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Re: [Ilugc] Request for tamil lovers

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2010/7/15 Victor Johnson 

> Hello Tamil Lovers,
>
> Please confirm here, on your acceptance of
>
> 1. Providing English translation so that all can read.
>
> or
>
> 2. adding [tamil] tag in
> your subject lines on all your tamil mails.
> so that some people can filter.
>
> Eventhough you are doing good events for the community,
> you should hear from the community too.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
Hello Victor,

I understand the frustrations of non-Tamil speaking people in the list.
Please try to understand the other side and from where he is coming from.

I have had a few conversations with Amachu and know how much he fights for
the use of Tamil in many situations. It is considered illiterate, rude,
countrified to use Tamil in many places (classrooms, high end public places,
student groups).

When a person fights for his right (and the rights of lakhs of others who
are excluded due to language), he might have developed a stubborn streak
never to compromise anywhere (like RMS insisting on Free everywhere).

It is fanatical, illogical, yes. But we need more such idealists to make our
world a better place and more inclusive.

Please bear with a couple of mails a month for the sake of our less
privileged brothers. Consider these mails as a statement that someone who
can not converse in English also can participate.

When traffic in Tamil increases to say a couple of mail every day a separate
mailing list might make sense.

Thanks for your understanding.

best regards,

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[Ilugc] Google App Engine (possible OT)

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While looking for using Google Accounts as Open ID provided learnt about
Google App Engine.
http://code.google.com/appengine/

You have option to develop in Java or Python. Data storage is in Google
proprietory data storage service called Datastore and uses gql a google
proprietory database query language.

You get a free SDK and free hosting for upto 5 million page views a month.

On the positive side, it is ideal for small business to start creating an
application without spending money for tools and hosting. This can be the VB
of web application development.

The question is how open Google will be with its implementation? How secure
/ safe the data would be?


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Re: [Ilugc] Google App Engine (possible OT)

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2010/7/15 Venkatraman S 

>
> I run my site http://www.mapatree.org/ on GAE and haven't faced any
> problems
>
> till now. The site is developed in Django. There are small changes in
> syntax
> when one develops a solution on GAE, but these can be quickly learnt and
> the
> solution can be deployed for *free*.
>

Interesting application.


> The only expense for me w.r.t Map-A-Tree was buying the domain - GAE helps
> in minimizing your costs a lot (jargon alert : 'lean enterprise').
>
> Toads would fall from the sky when GOOG removes this *free* usage.
>
>
True. Can use this for community projects.

Thanks for the feedback.

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Re: [Ilugc] Request for tamil lovers

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2010/7/15 Rahul Sundaram 

> On 07/15/2010 09:24 PM, ashwin kesavan wrote:
> >
> > May be you are right. But i suppose he assumes he should be allowed to
> > post freely in tamil without tagging or anything as this m/l being in
> > capital of tamil nadu ?? like the way nobody would question posting in
> > french in a mailing list in paris. How do you counter this?
> >
>
> Pretty easy.,  The place where a mailing list is hosted doesn't change
> netiquette in this context.  English is the established medium of
> communication in this mailing list.  You can't point to a single LUG in
> India (or probably globally) which allows mixing languages like that.
> Why should this one mailing list be the exception because a couple of
> people can't be bothered to tag mails to enable rest of us to do
> filtering?   If everyone else wants tagging, they should just oblige.
> Anything else is just plain rude.
>
>
Rahul,

Most of us (include me) are taking part in these discussions as a side issue
(to support our day job which earns us Rs). There are others who are on
their feet, pounding the streets of villages and small towns and they may
have a different perspective.

Just imagine a person who is skilled in IT, but not comfortable
communicating in English (can not translate!). Should (s)he be out these
discussion groups? Even though, rationally I can not agree with Amachu's
stand, I can understand his principle from that perspective.

We must have a provision for such a hypothetical person to participate.
Please have a re look at this.

We will try to tag and translate as much as possible, if the original sender
failed to do that. We can also look at automatic tagging by the list, if it
is possible.

Best regards,

Ma Sivakumar
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Re: [Ilugc] [Tip] Easily Convert Code To HTML

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2010/7/15 Balaji Damodaran 

> Well, its obvious that you are missing the el files for htmlfontify
>
> It took me 2 min to google to get this:
> http://rtfm.etla.org/emacs/htmlfontify/
> (coincidentally, they've named the site as rtfm)
>
>
Sorry, I also searched in google for htmlfontiy use, and could not get any
straight forward answer. I was just trying out and did not probe further.
Thanks for the pointer.

BTW, vim option works out of box, emacs needs a el file. What does it say?
:-)

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Re: [Ilugc] [Tip] Easily Convert Code To HTML

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2010/7/15 Balaji Damodaran 

>
> vim vs emacs is a religious war - we already have enough wars, this
> one we can do without.
>

I agree with you, I was just joking.


> personally i use vimperator for firefox, emacs bindings for zsh and
> vim for rails development & emacs for learning clojure. So, both are
> my buddies.
>
>
Personally, I use vi where I do not have the option to launch GUI editors
(remote servers and some quick edits). Otherwise, I use kate and gedit.

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Re: [Ilugc] Re: Request for non-native language speakers in any LUG's mailing list

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2010/7/16 Kenneth Gonsalves 

> On Friday 16 July 2010 10:51:46 Raman.P wrote:
> > b.Since mails in tamil are too little we can ignore them. As pointed by
> >another poster if mails exceed 4 or 5 a day, let us think about
> creating
> >  separate list.
> >
>
> it needs two people to have a mailing list - create a tamil list for ILUGC
> and
> let all posts there be in Tamil - actually I enjoy reading tamil posts and
> would like to improve my tamil by replying in tamil. So let us do that.
>

I second this.

I would be interested in creating more technical content in Tamil. If a
separate list is the way to go, I am all for it.  Let us do that and start
building content in Tamil. Amachu is there, kg is in, I am also interested
in a Tamil mailing list. We have three.

It can be called ilugt (t stands for Tamil Nadu) or ilugct (ilug chennai
tamil). Will iitm host this list?

Best regards,

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Re: [Ilugc] New list guidelines

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2010/7/16 Aanjhan R 

> On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Shrinivasan T 
> wrote:
> > I Agree that, It may be tough to type in english,
> > translate in english or add [tamil] tag in the subject.
>
> So tagging with [] is allowed? What about the tagging language?
>
> Just wondering.
>
> Best Regards,
> Aanjhan
> PS: If you were wondering why you are seeing question marks in your
> browser and checking your font settings etc., good luck finding the
> solution ;-)
>

Dear Friends,

There is no end to this debate.  Can we please go with the proposed Tamil
list?

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Re: [Ilugc] Request for non-native language speakers in any LUG's mailing list

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>
> If community decides to start such a new mailing list, Computer Society of
> MIT would like to host it.
>
> --
> Vignesh Nandha Kumar,
> Chairman,
> Computer Society of MIT.
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Hi Vignesh,

Is there a web interface for MIT computer society mailing lists? If you set
up a ilug-tamil list, all those who want to communicate in Tamil will
subscribe. Please set up the list and let us know.

Best regards

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Re: [Ilugc] [தமிழ்] நாளைய கட ்டற்ற மென்பொருள் கூட் டம் தொடர்பாக..

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17 ஜூலை, 2010 1:24 pm அன்று, ஆமாச்சு  எழுதியது:

> // "Hence there shall be occasional mails/ replies in Tamil. New joiners-
> existing list members who are of other kind are advised to make notice of
> this
> and respect the freedom of amachu and amachu like thinkers minus other
> localities."//
>
> Whatever it may me,
>
> Without a similar statement of that kind is included as part of mailing
> list
> guideline, and if such a guideline is cited as reference only to people
> posting in Tamil, please expect an immediate or delayed humble reply to
> such
> mails  that,
>
> "This mailing list has a guideline that is suppressive & biased."
>
> I request more and people to post in Tamil to make it a common factor,
> preferably with [TAMIL] tag.
>
> Off course, it need not be Senthamizh.
>
> When most us here meet we communicate in Tamil. There is nothing so special
> existing here to refrain from doing the same here.
>
> All you have to do is to learn typing in Tamil asap.
>
>
Since there will not be any separate Tamil list, we should post mails in
Tamil with [Tamil] content to the current ilugc list.

However I dislike this option, I will avail it and try to generate technical
content in Tamil (following the rule, of-course). I will start with
providing Tamil translations to interesting information sent in English.
Thanks.

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Re: [Ilugc] yahoo mail - cannot open

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2010/7/17 sivakumar bharadhwaj 

> Dear Sirs,
>
> -  for the past few days - I am not able to get into yahoo.com - for
> opening
> my mail.
> -  I have tried opening this using - firefox, chrome, opera - but no full
> success.
> -  a week back or so, i was able to get into my yahoo mail account, but
> when
> I tried opening a mail, it took such a long time (more than 5 minutes) -
> but
> it was just a simple text mail, like there it was around 5 to 6, and I just
> logged out.
> - second time, I tried opening it could not get thro even the yahoo.mail
> page itself.
> - i could easily open my gmail accounts, my old rediffmail accounts etc,
> without any problem.
>
> My question is :
>
> - is there any one who is facing the same problem
> - is there any problem in settings (if any !!!)
>
>
> Any suggestion would be welcome
>
>
> Which ISP you are using? I have faced similar problem (some sites not
accessible) with BSNL dns servers. Changing DNS server to a public IP might
help. (8.8.8.8 from google for example.

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[Ilugc] [Tamil] கமாண்ட் ல ைன் சுருக்கு மு றைகள்

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bash முனையத்தில் சில சுருக்க வழிகளை பயன்படுத்தலாம்

Alt+D - தற்போதைய இடத்திலிருந்து அடுத்த சொல்லை வெட்டு

Alt+F - தற்போதைய இடத்திலிருந்து அடுத்த சொல்லுக்குச் செல்
Alt+B - தற்போதைய இடத்திலிருந்து முந்தைய சொல்லுக்குச் செல்
Alt+T - தற்போதைய இடத்திலிருந்து முந்தைய சொல்லை தற்போதைய இடத்தைத் தாண்டி
அனுப்பு

Alt+C - தற்போதைய இடத்தில் எழுத்தை பெரிய எழுத்தாக மாற்று (a -> A)
Alt+U - தற்போதைய இடத்தில் சொல்லின் எல்லா எழுத்துக்களையும் பெரிய
எழுத்துக்களாக மாற்று (a->A)
Alt+L -  தற்போதைய இடத்தில் சொல்லின் எல்லா எழுத்துக்களையும் சின்ன
எழுத்துக்களாக மாற்று (A ->a)

Ctrl+U - தற்போதைய இடத்திலிருந்து ஆரம்பம் வரை வெட்டு
Ctrl+K - தற்போதைய இடத்திலிருந்து கடைசி வரை வெட்டு
Ctrl+Y - கடைசியாக சேமித்ததை (வெட்டுதல் மூலம்)  ஒட்டு

Ctrl+T - தற்போதைய இடத்திற்கு முந்தைய எழுத்தை தற்போதை இடத்துக்கு அப்புறம்
நகர்த்து

Ctrl+A - கட்டளைத் தொடரின் ஆரம்பத்துக்குப் போ
Ctrl+E - கட்டளைத் தொடரின் இறுதிக்குப் போ
Ctrl+B - ஒரு எழுத்து பின்னோக்கிப் போ

(2007ல் பாரதி சுப்ரமணியன் அனுப்பிய அஞ்சலிலிருந்து)

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Re: [Ilugc] [Tamil] இன்று நடைபெ ற்ற கூடுதலில்..

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17 ஜூலை, 2010 11:32 pm அன்று, ஆமாச்சு  எழுதியது:

> வணக்கம்,
>
> விபரங்களை பகிர்ந்து கொண்டமைக்கு நன்றி.


> தொடர்ந்து ஐ லக்சி மடலாடற் குழுவில் தமிழ் மொழி மடல்கள் இடுவது தொடர்பாக
> தீடிரென பூதாகாரமாக கிளப்பப்பட்ட விஷயங்கள் பற்றியும்
> விவாதிக்கப்பட்டது. தீர்வாக தமிழகத்தை மையமாகக் கொண்ட மடலாடற் குழுவொன்று
> இருக்கலாம் என்ற எம் ஐ டி மாணவர்களின் விருப்பங்களும் அலசப்பட்டன.
> நிறைய பேர் தமிழில் தொடர்ச்சியாக ஆக்கபூர்வமாக மடலாட இருக்கிறார்கள் என்கிற
> போது தொடங்குவது நல்லது என்ற கருத்தும் தெரிவிக்கப்பட்டது. அது ஐ
> லக்சியின் மடலாடற் குழுவாக இருக்காதாகையால் ஐ லக்சியில் தொடர்ந்து தமிழில்
> எழுதலாம் என்றும் கருத்து வெளியிடப்பட்டது.
>
> மடற்குழு என்று சுருக்கமாக சொல்லலாமே.  கூடுதலாக ஒரு (ஆடல்) சொல் எதற்கு
தேவையில்லாமல்!

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Re: [Ilugc] [Tamil] கமாண்ட் லைன ் சுருக்கு முறைகள்

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Hi Mohan,

18 ஜூலை, 2010 11:20 am அன்று, Mohan L  எழுதியது:

> No body asking you to post those information in Tamil . But you are
> posting.
> It seems me you don't have any other useful work to do. So, you are very
> happy to irritating thousand of people. I request you please do some useful
> work.
>

My intention is not to irritate anyone. Anyone can filter out my mails with
the [Tamil] tag and ignore all Tamil mails. Even though I am not entirely
happy with being forced to add [Tamil] tag, I add it understanding the need
of other members and following the list guideline.


> I request you please please please don't send your stupid(I am really sorry
> replay to again this thread, because I am going to unsubscribe from ilugc.
>

It could be stupid from some angles Mohan. But it is valuable from other
angles. Try to understand my position. If you can not agree with that,
atleast respect that.

Keep being part of the list and help the FOSS movement to flourish and grow.


Best regards,

Ma Sivakumar

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Re: [Ilugc] Re: [Tamil] கமாண்ட் லை ன் சுருக்கு முறைகள்

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18 ஜூலை, 2010 11:49 am அன்று, ஆமாச்சு  எழுதியது:

> வாரத்திற்கு ஒரு தடவையாச்சும் இது போன்ற விஷயங்களை தொடர்ச்சியாக
> பகிர்ந்துக்கோங்க.
>
> தஸ்தகீர் அனுப்பும் அனுதினமும் ஒரு அப்ளிகேஷன் மாதிரி இங்கே இருக்கும்
> பலருக்கும் இது உதவியாக இருக்கும்.
>

நன்றி ஆமாச்சு. தொடர்ந்து என்னால் முடிந்த வரை எழுதுகிறேன்.

அன்புடன்,

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Re: [Ilugc] [Tamil] கமாண்ட் லைன ் சுருக்கு முறைகள்

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18 ஜூலை, 2010 12:02 pm அன்று, Shrinivasan T எழுதியது:

Dear Srini,

This is an example of how people get irritated when they see
> just boxes in their mails.
>

There is a reasonable way to avoid these mails. In a technical list, even a
tag is not needed to filter out certain content (use unicode character range
for eg), but respecting your guideline and some members' requirement I will
add the [Tamil] tag until better sense prevails.


> We already added the guidelines to add english translation too.
> It is your responsible to follow the guidelines.
>

Please reconsider the guideline. If someone is filtering out the mails why
translation is needed? If translation is provided why the stamping
([Tamil]).


> Even KG volunteered to translate in english when I compose this mail. But,
> Mohan expressed his thoughts before the translation.
>

You took it up with Mohan.


> We all should be in list and discuss some useful things.
> Pure Tamil should not be the reason for the people to go out of the list.
>

Agree with you 100%. Even though we agree on the manner of discussions, the
intention of everyone is same.


> Please add english translations in your mails.
> We had this in our guidelines already.
>

Please reconsider as that puts un-necessary burden.


> I am ready getting some mails from group of people
> who know Telugu, Malayalam, Hindi, MorseCode.
> They request me to approve their mails that will be
> in PURE language without english translation.
>

As I said earlier Srini, it is logical to converse in Tamil in a Chennai
list. This argument seems to be made to prevent mailing in Tamil.


> I strongly advised them to add english translation.
> Explained them how it will be unfair to the whole list.
> They all agreed to post in english or with english translation.
>


> Let us stop the language war here.
>

Agreed.


> The OP should add english translation.
>

The guidelines should Insist on [Tamil] OR translation NOT both.


> Anyone that crosses guidelines regularly will be banned from the list,
> as we ban the people who mails on the requesting to join social
> networking sites.
>

That is unfair, comparing writing in Tamil to requesting to join social
networking sites :-)

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Re: [Ilugc] [Tamil] கமாண்ட் லைன ் சுருக்கு முறைகள்

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18 ஜூலை, 2010 12:14 pm அன்று, pavithran  எழுதியது:

> PS: Sivakumar great work . Looking forward to more such mails ,but
> atleast a one liner in english on mail contents will help .
>
>
Thanks Pavithran.

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Re: [Ilugc] Re: [Tamil] கமாண்ட் லை ன் சுருக்கு முறைகள்

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அன்புள்ள ராமன்,

18 ஜூலை, 2010 1:33 pm அன்று, Ramar K  எழுதியது:

>
> நீ வாழ பிறரை கெடுக்காதே!
>
>
தமிழில் எழுதுவதால் யாருக்கு என்ன கெடுதி என்று தனி மடலிலோ, இங்கு பொதுவிலோ
விளக்குங்கள். தமிழில் எழுதுவதை தடுப்பதால் பெரும் கெடுதி உருவாக்குகிறோம்
என்பது எனது கருத்து.

அன்புடன்,

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Re: [Ilugc] [Tamil] கமாண்ட் லைன ் சுருக்கு முறைகள்

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18 ஜூலை, 2010 2:31 pm அன்று, Shrinivasan T எழுதியது:

> 2010/7/18 சிவகுமார் மா :
> http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2010-July/058743.html
>
> The added guidelines are in the above link.
> It never talked about the [Tamil] Tag.
>
> 1. Have the subject in English
> 2. Provide a translation of the content in english, if we use any
> other language in the content.
>
> You did not followed any of the above guidelines.
>

You have me there. As per your guidelines, I am wrong.

(The guidelines were revised hastily and without considering all aspects.
But, if that is the way this list should remain, I am sorry about that).

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Re: [Ilugc] Tamil in various browsers

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2010/7/18 Akilan R 

> Dear co-ordinator,
>   Already Amachu is tagging subject lines of his mails. Sivakumar also did
> the same. What other solution do people expect? It is not amachu's fault
> that those browsers didn't have Tamil fonts. If people don't want to read
> Tamil mails and hence won't install fonts they can simply redirect the
> tagged mail to /dev/null.
> This discussion began by people requesting(demanding) this very same
> functionality. But now it has morphed into *'Don't send Tamil mails at all'
> demand. Is it fair?* what can Tamil mail senders do other than tagging?
> Translation cannot be always done. Please consider  the difficulty in doing
> so and decide the correct course of action.
>
> @Mohan:
>  Do not to use such words in a public forum. You are free to send tagged
> mails to /dev/null. If you are lazy to add a filter don't expect other
> people to add translation.
>
> When [tamil] tag is there and all non Tamil knowing people (or people who
> wont install font and see boxes) have filtered it then why some people
> demand translation? Doesn't this sound ridiculous? I'm in full agreement
> with sivakumar and others in this matter.
> It is either translation or tag. Not both. There seems to be some sinister
> design to stop Tamil mails in this list.
>
> Dear Akilan,

Thanks for speaking up.  Hope better sense prevails.

Best regards,

Ma Sivakumar
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Re: [Ilugc] [Tamil] கமாண்ட் லைன ் சுருக்கு முறைகள்

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18 ஜூலை, 2010 3:07 pm அன்று, Shrinivasan T எழுதியது:

> > You have me there. As per your guidelines, I am wrong.
> > (The guidelines were revised hastily and without considering all aspects.
> > But, if that is the way this list should remain, I am sorry about that).
>
> We were keep on requesting for a solution for non-tamil people.
>
> http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2010-July/058775.html
> http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2010-July/058828.html
>
> we do not get any reply for that request so far.
>
>
Non-tamil people should set a filter (one time activity) to send  all mails
with [Tamil] tag to trash. They have enough content without bothering about
a few Tamil mails in the list.

You can not have guidelines which expect a lot of additional work
(translate) and defeats the purpose (Subject in English).

A [Tamil] tag serves everyone's purpose. Please revise the guidelines.

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Re: [Ilugc] [Tamil] கமாண்ட் லைன ் சுருக்கு முறைகள்

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18 ஜூலை, 2010 3:45 pm அன்று, Balachandran Sivakumar
எழுதியது:

> 2010/7/18 சிவகுமார் மா :
> > bash முனையத்தில் சில சுருக்க வழிகளை பயன்படுத்தலாம்
> >
>  By default, bash uses Emacs key bindings(It can of course be
> mapped to vi bindings). Telling it this way would make it easier for
> emacs users :)
>
> Is it not readline? Both Emacs and Vi editing modes are available.
http://tiswww.case.edu/php/chet/readline/rltop.html

Do you know why Emails key bindings are used by default?

Best regards,

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Re: [Ilugc] Humble request to revise the mailing list guidelines..

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Shrini,

2010/7/18 Shrinivasan T 

>
> Everyone in the list have same rights.
> It is non-ethical to discuss something
> where some people see only boxes, question marks, non readable characters.
>

To avoid boxes, question marks and non readable characters - either install
Tamil fonts or filter out mails with [Tamil] tag. That is a one time task
and the mails will not bother in future.

>
> It means they are prohibited to read the mails in the list.
>
> No one has the authority to prevent the readers from getting the
> information.
> This basic right of getting information should be maintained for all
> the list members.
>

If Tamil mails are not allowed, that information will not be generated at
all. Then where is the question of "preventing the readers from the getting
information", if Tamil discussions are not taking place, everyone loses.


> Please give a solution to maintain the basic rights of all people.
>
> Giving English translation is a nice solution.
> If you can not do all the times, it is illegal to ask people
> to bear the boxes and question marks.
>

For boxes and question marks use filtering of [Tamil] tagged mails and get
on with the regular English mails (which will continue as now).

What we seek is to generate more discussions and more participation by
having Tamil communication as an option.  This will be over and above what
is taking place now.


> We have the following requirement.
> We should know the information from the tamil mails,
> without searching for a tamil known person to read the mails.
>

If Tamil discussions do not take place, that information is simply not
available. In that case everyone loses. Without English translation, only
some people fail to get the information.

Even for that, there are interested list members who are willing and
volunteering to translate. But that should not be in the guidelines for the
poster.

Best regards,


>
> Ma Siva Kumar
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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Whats happened to ILUGC?

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2010/7/18 swamynathan 

> Hello luggies,
> I remember the days i used to run to TV for my favorite soap or run to
> a cinema to get tickets, well now a days i got lot more in ma gmail inbox.
> I
> run home everyday to see whats happening in ILUGC mailing list. Its so
> dramatic.
>
>   During my college starting years I used to look upon to ilugc mailing
> list for every technical clarification i had, for news updates etc. and i
> wish it be so that way for present college goes or new learners, this
> shouldn't be lost in a melodramatic fight.
>
>   Well its a persons choice to choose his language for communication no
> doubt but when in comes to something public, it should be on the overall
> public's favor of goodwill. And considering the fact that not every one may
> know the regional language used, a translation of the same in english may
> be
> provided. When a program is written a documentation is given so that a
> person who is not so profound with the programming language may understand
> whats happening in the program. So with the same spirit why not document
> the
> regional post in english.
>
> Thank you !
>
> *
>
> That is a nice relief from the intense discussions, thanks :-).


> Well just to make a point i would also like to mention that none of you
> would have read this if it were in Croatian like this
>

You would do it only to make a point, not in day to day communication.

Please understand that whoever sends a message to the list, wants it to be
read by as many people as possible. It is in the interest of the sender to
reach as many people as possible.

Writing in Tamil loses the attention of many non-Tamil list members, that is
the sacrifice the sender is willing to take, to reach better to some other
group in the list.

Only when it is felt that a particular language (in this case Tamil) will be
received by many persons, one will write in that language.

What is the point in writing if there is no one else who will understand,
benefit and respond to it.  You will have not motivation to write.

Best regards,

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>
> Pozdrav luggies,
> Sjećam se dana sam koristio za trčanje na TV za moj omiljeni sapun ili
> trčanje to kino dobiti ulaznice, ali sada dana dobio sam puno više u ma
> Gmail inbox. I trči svakodnevno vidjeti što se događa u ILUGC mailing
> listu.
> Njegova tako dramatična.
>
>   Tijekom godina počinju mom faksu sam se gledati na to ilugc mailing listu
> za svaki tehničkih pojašnjenja ja je, za vijesti ažuriranja i sl. i ja bih
> da bude tako da se put za sadašnje faksu ide ili nove učenike, to ne bi
> trebao biti izgubljen u melodramatske boriti.
>
>   Pa njen osobama izbor za izabrati svoj jezik za komunikaciju bez sumnje,
> ali kada je u pitanju nešto što javnost, to bi trebalo biti na korist
> sveukupne javnosti dobre volje. A s obzirom da ne svatko može znati
> regionalni jezik koji se koristi, prijevod iste na engleskom jeziku mogu se
> osigurati. Kada je program napisan dokumentacija se daje, tako da osoba
> koja
> nije toliko duboka s programskom jeziku može razumjeti što se događa u
> programu. Tako je s istom duhu zašto ne dokumentu regionalne post na
> engleskom jeziku.
>
> Hvala vam!
>
> *
>
> --
> with love from India,
> swamy , wattabottles
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Re: [Ilugc] [OT]RMS on Mono, DotGNU (from foss news-34)

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2010/7/19 openbala 

> 
> Use the C# code implementations in a free platform (Mono, DotGNU) but
> don't create new code in it. Just like mp3 - consume mp3 in free
> players, but don't encode.
> 
>

Makes a lot of sense, no?


> I'm a fan of .Net platform. I personally feel Mono runtime is an
> awesome experiment to bring C# into non-Microsoft platforms. C# as
> such is a wonderful language and would love to see a complete .Net 4.0
> runtime implemented in Mono (currently Mono is fully compatible with
> .Net 2.0 and some specifications of .Net 3.0). The interesting side
> effect with mono runtime is that with little effort it was possible to
> bring *other* .Net languages to Linux such as F# and Visual Basic.
> With Miguel in the forefront Mono runtime is bound for some big
> things.
>

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety." (
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin ).

Sometime back Microsoft's open source efforts were highlighted.
http://www.microsoft.com/opensource/faq-all.aspx

10 years back Open Source was a "virus to be shunned by all". What changed
now? Success of the movement and Microsoft's failure to kill it. Now, they
want to selectively do some open source activities to retain their monopoly
in Desktop operating system business.

.Net and C# can be wonderful. Why, VB was wonderful to develop desktop
applications in Windows, IE is wonderful browser to make web applications if
you are willing to disregard standards.

Consider that Microsoft could not play nice where they have the dominance.
They want to adjust a little to strengthen themselves where they are weak.


> With Moonlight (Silverlight in Mono) and Monotouch (.Net platform for
> iPhone and iOS 4!) the Mono suite gets really exciting.
>
> I would like to hear from ILUG-C about their take on Mono runtime and
> whether what Miguel did is useful or not. Please discuss..
>

As you summarised, Mono's purpose is to run .Net applications developed
elsewhere. Spending time developing new applications in .Net by open source
community is taking away mind share from alternatives with open standards
and Free licences.

Ma Sivakumar
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Re: [Ilugc] Humble request to revise the mailing list guidelines..

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2010/7/18 srikrishna das 
> If I were born and grown in chennai.But my mother tongue is Bengali.I dont 
> know tamil reading and writing.
> Me and my friends are willing to discuss Foss related topics in this list in 
> our mother tongue Bengali.
> A lot of our bengali people are in list and We assure that we can generate 
> much content in bengali.This will be so useful to the mass of bengali people 
> living in chennai.

Not only bengali people living in Chennai, all Bengali people in other
parts of world will also benefit. When a Bengali student wants to
learn something technical he can reach your contents (through google
search) and benefit.

> Hope Chennai is not only for tamil people and ILUGC is not only for tamil 
> members.
> As Tamil people has the previleges to post in tamil,we, the bengali members 
> think that we too have the rightsto discuss in bengali.

Chennai is not only for Tamil people and ILUGC is for all. Your
thinking is not wrong.

> Please note that we can not translate in englishas it will double the work 
> and will give much pains to fingers and brain.If requested, we can add 
> [Bengali] Tag in the subject.
> Our Hindi, Telugu and Gujarathi friends also willingto discuss in thier own 
> languages in the list.

That will make ILUGC a truly rainbow list representing the whole of
India. If we can pull off this successfully, that will be a remarkable
achievement.

I am able to view
1. English
2. हिन्दी
3. বাংলা
4. తెలుగు
5. मराठी
6. ગુજરાતી
7. ಕನ್ನಡ
8. മലയാളം
9. ਪੰਜਾਬੀ
in my computer and will not choose filter out any of the mails based
on language.

>
> "Infact, lets consider loads of other people who will start posting in every 
> dialect and language available in the country."
> "So, everyone can either install ALL fonts and hmm or create 100's of filters 
> to move them to Trash."

Why 100's of filters? How many languages you think will be used in the
list? Tamil, Hindi, Malayalam, Bengali, Telugu, Kannada - 6 languages
at the most? A few more? Why you exaggerate to 100's?

>
> "Finally, you know guys, which posts will be understood by all. It will be 
> the English posts"

Who knows, we can develop a language engine to translate content from
one Indian language to another.  (As Rajagopal suggests in his next
mail)

>
> We hope that there is no need for any request and we can start postingin 
> Bengali.
>

I sincerely hope that you are arguing for the right to post in Bengali
not to deny the right to post in Tamil.

Best regards,

Ma Sivakumar
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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Whats happened to ILUGC?

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2010/7/18 swamynathan :
>>
> What about the curious non-tamilians, for instant i couldent even read you
> name beside the email post, i had to figure it out from your signature !

1. Sorry about that. I use this google account of mine for interacting
with Tamil speakers most of the time, hence the profile name is in
Tamil. I will find out how to change the sending name in Gmail (for
some mails).

2. I changed my signature to have name in English sometime back.
expressly for this purpose.

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Re: [Ilugc] Some more languages in ilugc

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2010/7/19 Victor Johnson :
> After reading the archives of our list,  my friends are requesting for
> the following languages.
> Arabic,
> Urdu,
> Russian,
> Japanese,
> Finnish,
> Korean,
> French,
> Spanish,
> German
>
> These guys are in chennai and bangaluru.
>
> Hope our coordinator allow these languages too.

Dear Sir,

Please avoid sarcastic comments.

We are talking about ilugc which stands for Indian Linux User Group - Chennai

1. Chennai in the name leads to posts in Tamil.
2. Indian in the name leads to request to post in other Indian
languages (including Urdu)

Do not deny legitimate rights of people by resorting to extreme arguments.

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Re: [Ilugc] Humble request to revise the mailing list guidelines..

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2010/7/19 srikrishna das :
>
> Not really.1. Not arguing
> 2. Its a voice to tell you guys that when you post in "only Tamil"  lot of 
> people feel excluded from the dicussion even though we want to learn of 
> interesting things that may have been discussed in the post..
> 3. I am not denying right to post in Tamil, but supporting the nice behavior 
> of courtesy to provide a short english summary in the same post, so that we 
> don't feel excluded and it benefits all.
> 4. If everyone goes makes small small groups inside ilugc for discussing only 
> in their language, then it beats the whole purpose of ILUG - "Indian Linux 
> User Group" - Chennai.Please do not make it "Chennai Linux User Group - India"
> 5. The more and more single language only threads are discussed, the less the 
> percentage of content from ilugc that will be understood globally is 
> available.This list has been one of the best I have subscribed to, but then 
> if you guys want to make sub groups and do closed
discussions; hate to break it to you, but you are not being a nice.

Thanks for putting your feeling very clearly. I understand your
concern about fragmentation of group and discussions getting confined
to a small group.

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Re: [Ilugc] [NOTE] Emergency Moderation Enabled

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2010/7/21 Kenneth Gonsalves :
> On Wednesday, July 21, 2010 05:07:28 pm Akilan R wrote:
>> > now in this list (in this case FOSS in Tamil),
>> > someone having aversion (for reasons known only to them) towards that
>> > subject can gather mob  & create noise, that will make the co-ordinators
>> > get down to their kneels to satisy them, forgetting all other factors.
>>
>> Yes. Unfortunate but no better solution exist AFAIK. But my complaint is:
>> Why is that Victor who, instead of making constructive criticisms, created
>> noise and spam and behaved irresponsibly still allowed in this list?
>> shouldn't he have been banned?
>
> please drop this discussion - it serves no purpose

+1.

It does not serve any purpose to continue arguing about this issue. As
offered by Prof Sriram, we will get a separate list set up for
discussion in Tamil. Let us continue our work in English in this list
and in Tamil in the proposed new list.

Best regards,

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Re: [Ilugc] New list created ilugc.tamil

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2010/7/22 P.Sriram :
> As per request, new mailing list ilugc.tamil has been created
> Sriram

Thanks.

Welcome all those interested in discussing FOSS related topics in
Tamil to subscribe to ilugc.tamil at
http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc.tamil

Have set up some initial options for the list.  Amachu will take over
as admin of the list.

A number of challenges are to be faced and resolved (starting with
Tamil translation of Mailman - The GNU mailing list manager which runs
the mailing list).

Once again thank Prof Sriram for hosting the list at iitm-ae.

Thanks and best regards,

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[Ilugc] [OT] Status update on ilugc.tamil

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Dear Friends,

After heated discussions (which was civil throughout), ilugc.tamil, an
younger sibling to ilugc was born on July 22, 2009 with the
announcement by Prof Sriram to the list.

Just an update to those members who are not part of the Tamil list.

1. There are 74 members in the Tamil list as of now.
2. 153 messages were sent to the list during the past one week (though
much of the traffic can be attributed to myself and Amachu, more than
20 members participated in discussions).

We hope to have more activities through the list and supplement
current efforts of ilugc in spreading FOSS in Chennai, Tamil Nadu and
other parts of world.

The younger sibling is fortunate to have the backing of a strong ilugc
built over 9 years with tireless efforts of volunteers.

Thanks.

Best regards,

Ma Sivakumar
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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Status update on ilugc.tamil

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2010/7/29 Naga raja :
>>younger sibling to ilugc was born on July 22, 2009 with the
>
> July 22, 2010

Thanks. Sorry for the slip!

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Re: [Ilugc] PHPLIVE - monthly PHP meet

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2010/7/30 Ravi Jaya :
>> We (Computer Society of MIT  and KanchiLUG) have planned
>> to conduct a monthly meet for PHP, named PHPLIVE on every first Saturday.
>>
> Of the late, I don't think so, we need a  separate meet for PHP. If you
> interested to spread the name and fame of the PHP, why cant you people {
> MIT- CS + KLUG } plan a talk on PHP in every ilugc meet. I hope it would
> make sense. We have only four Saturday in a month, out  of four, three was
> already occupied for some other reasons.
>
> First Saturday being the working day for most of the people, I don't think
> so more people would turn up.

This is a valid concern. Can we consider monthly webinars for specific topics?

Even though they will not have the same effect as physical meetings,
webinars have the potential to reach more people (who can not attend
physical meetings).

As an added advantage presentations and talks will be available in
digital form for sharing and future reference.

We tried http://www.dimdim.com/ some time back, which was quite good
and free (no cost).

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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] From Mark Shuttleworth

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2010/7/31 Rahul Sundaram :
>  On 07/31/2010 11:45 AM, Akilan R wrote:
>> On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry but that makes no sense.  If someone preaches something, it is
>>> obvious to ask,  have you followed what you preach?  Why should we
>>> ignore the history of the person saying it?
>> May be because (s)he has already done the mistake and know the consequences
>> and/or wrongness of it? I don't know.
>
> How about the person start with an apology in that case for the mistakes
> done?  Otherwise the preaching looks shallow and makes the person a
> hypocrite.
>

#  mark says: (permalink)
July 30th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

True. I apologize unreservedly to all offended by my poor choice of
language on that or other occasions.
http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/439#comment-329657

Not many would do this :-)

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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] From Mark Shuttleworth

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2010/7/31 Rahul Sundaram :
>  On 07/31/2010 12:13 PM, சிவகுமார் மா wrote:
>> #  mark says: (permalink)
>> July 30th, 2010 at 5:30 pm
>>
>> True. I apologize unreservedly to all offended by my poor choice of
>> language on that or other occasions.
>> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/439#comment-329657
>>
>> Not many would do this :-)
>
> That is too generic and talks only about choice of language but not
> about intentions or actions.   An apology if sincere should be specific,
> direct and connected to the advice you give out to others.  Not within a
> comment.   One is a position of arrogance and righteousness and the
> other is humility.

Makes sense!

How to apologise
http://infotrope.net/blog/2009/08/05/action-and-reaction-on-avoiding-offense/

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Re: [Ilugc] Urgent help needed regarding Debian 5.0 release 0 server

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2010/8/4 Zico :
> Hi, One of my server crashed last night! It was a hardware crash,
> motherboard burned! Today, my IBM local vendor changed the motherboard and
> now, my Debian 5.0 release 0 is not booting! Here, the point is, I had
> postgresql and mysql database there and those had lot of data. Now, I really
> need to get back those data and I do not want to change my any configuration
> of that server. Say, I had postgresql 8.3 installed, I need exactly
> postgresql 8.3 now too. Is it possible to bring back that server with it`s
> previous data?
>

2. You installed postgresql and mysql from source or from Debian binary?

If you can installed Debian 5.0 in another disc, install your pg
version, mount the partitions from earlier disc, copy the data
directory (for postgresql) to the new installation and get your data
back

1. Why installed Debian 5.0 is not booting? What is the error message?

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Re: [Ilugc] Urgent help needed regarding Debian 5.0 release 0 server

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2010/8/4 Zico :
> 2010/8/5 சிவகுமார் மா 
>
>>
>> 2. You installed postgresql and mysql from source or from Debian binary?
>>
>
> I installed Debian from binary.
>
>>
>> If you can installed Debian 5.0 in another disc, install your pg
>> version, mount the partitions from earlier disc, copy the data
>> directory (for postgresql) to the new installation and get your data
>> back
>>
>
> But, I have not dumped any sql file from postgresql!!

If you can install same version in another disc, you can copy the data
directory and access data. But, it would be far easier to trouble
shoot the booting problem recover the installation.

All the best.

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Re: [Ilugc] Urgent help needed regarding Debian 5.0 release 0 server

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2010/8/5 Zico :
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Arun Khan  wrote:
>
>>
>> You have *not* posted any error message (if any).
>>
>>
> Ok, I have tried with livecd in server, but the problem occurs now is:
> "Inpu/Output Error" of /var directory, where my postgresql "data" files are
> there.
> I have retrieved pdf files but not the sql file, because it is in
> /var/postgresq directory. Is there any possibility of retrieving data from
> that "Input/Outpu Error" /var directory? Here, I want to mention that, my
> RAID also crashed and the vendor changed it already.

The dreaded question! When is the last backup you have taken?

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