Re: [Ilugc] [[Need Help]] Idea for a website for Publishing Journals

[Vikram Vincent]

On 17 October 2014 12:00,  wrote:

> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 18:39:48 +0530
> From: sahil ? 
> Subject: Re: [Ilugc] [[Need Help]] Idea for a website for Publishing
> Journals
>
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Vikram Vincent 
> wrote:
>
> > OJS is a very good journal publishing platform.  It has a built-in
> workflow
> > to manage your needs.
>
> Yes, gone through OJS and it's old as per reviews so may not be suitable
> for future needs.


What do you mean by "old" and what are your "future" needs?
AFAIK OJS is in active development and very much relevant to current needs.
Please clarify.
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Re: [Ilugc] [[Need Help]] Idea for a website for Publishing Journals

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OJS is a very good journal publishing platform.  It has a built-in workflow
to manage your needs.
DSpace is used as a repository to manage artefacts of different types and
is not suited to publish journals.
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[Ilugc] Fwd: List of still incomplete languages for Debian Installer...

[Vikram Vincent]

FYI
Tamil is on the list.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Christian PERRIER 
Date: 12 November 2012 11:15
Subject: List of still incomplete languages for Debian Installer...
To: debian-i...@lists.debian.org


There has recently been a great effort by many translators (and me!)
to get as many complete translations as possible in D-I.

Out of 70 supported languages, there are currently 55 where ALL
strings are translated. This is the highest number we ever had for
100%.

Still, we have a few languages that are not so far from being complete
but aren't.

For most of these languages, I tried as hard as possible to ping
people who contributed to these translations, in order to  get them
completed. While it succeeded for some, it failed forsome others.

So, here's the list. If by any chance you happen to be someone
speaking one of these languages, you're very welcomed to try bringing
them to 100%. Of course, the lower the current translation ratio is,
the harder it will be...:-)

Lituanian: 99%
Bosnian: 98%
Tamil: 98%
Lao: 97%
Icelandic: 95%
Macedonian: 95%
Dzongkha: 94%
Nepali: 84%
Norwegian Nynorsk: 84%
Albanian: 83%
Alharic: 82%
Kurdish: 82%
Tagalog: 78%
Wolof: 75% (language currently disabled because too many important
   strings missing)
Tibetan: 49% (enabled because it has the most important strings translated)


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Re: [Ilugc] configuring proxy on yum.conf

[Vikram Vincent]

On 1 February 2011 14:09, Raja Mahalingam  wrote:
> I think this may help
> it works for my fedora behind squid proxy

Thank you.  I'll pass this along to my students.
Vikram
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[Ilugc] configuring proxy on yum.conf

[Vikram Vincent]

Hello,
I'm looking for docs where I can configure yum.conf to work behind a proxy
and I can't seem to find examples. Synaptic pkg manager has a easy GUI option.
Debian has an entry at /etc/apt/apt.conf
Acquire::http::Proxy "http://username:password@ip_address:port/";
Current Fedora based pkg managers do not seem to have such an option or am I
missing something?
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Re: [Ilugc] [OT][TAMIL] உனக்கு ஆங் கிலம் தெரியும்னு..

[Vikram Vincent]

> from the United Nations Development Project(UNDP)
> http://www.apdip.net/news/foss-guide-to-localization

* UNDP | United Nations Development Programme
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Re: [Ilugc] [OT][TAMIL] உனக்கு ஆங் கிலம் தெரியும்னு..

[Vikram Vincent]

>> ILUGC == FOSS == local language computing == related discussions in
>> local language == economy
>> Yes. Things are related.
>>
>
> Do you have any prototype for your above  great Mathematical Modeling?
> Please don't say those  kind of  formula  without proof or model.

Please look at the Latin American countries where FOSS is encouraged.
In India, look at Kerala.
In fact you need to read the documents available on the link I sent before
from the United Nations Development Project(UNDP)
http://www.apdip.net/news/foss-guide-to-localization

This is something I wrote quite some time ago and is still valid (more maths)
http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/User:Vincentvikram#Localisation_to_protect_language_or_knowledge.3F
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Re: [Ilugc] [OT][TAMIL] உனக்கு ஆங் கிலம் தெரியும்னு..

[Vikram Vincent]

> But what I am  trying to say is : Here  lot of people are sharing their
> technical skill, learning each other in English because lots of people they
> don't know Tamil (OR somebody may not interested).

The options for those who do not want to be a part of certain
discussions are quite clear.
We adopted English for certain reasons which may be valid or not but
this is not the forum for that discussion.

> That why all of us saying to start separate group , so that interesting
> people  will  contribute including me.

Experience shows that this option does not always work well.

>> You then have more technology oriented business transactions in the
>> local language.  This then creates a strong local economy.
>
> Do think sending Tamil mail on ILUGC will bring all the stuff you
> mentioned?  If you think so go head.

ILUGC == FOSS == local language computing == related discussions in
local language == economy
Yes. Things are related.

> I don't think so. This kind of not technical fights on technical mailing
> list never bring more technical  people to ILUGC. I already know six people
> went out from ilugc.

These things happen on all lists at some point of time or the other.
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Re: [Ilugc] [OT][TAMIL] உனக்கு ஆங் கிலம் தெரியும்னு..

[Vikram Vincent]

>> No body is  compel you to do so. You only compelling all the ilugc people

This is not factually true.  Please think about your statement.

> to read your Tamil mail.  What we are saying is, this not right place for
> your Tamil business.   Start a new group(Linux Tamil User Group) do your
> good Tamil activities.  Otherwise ILUGC will die.


I think it is important to understand the necessity for localisation.
The APDIP had published some documents in this regard
http://www.apdip.net/news/foss-guide-to-localization  In short,
1. it is to encourage local language computing.
2. local language computing ensures that non-English speaking people
are empowered.
To get the statistics, of the 66% literate population in India only 5%
can communicate in English.

You then have more technology oriented business transactions in the
local language.  This then creates a strong local economy.  This means
that if Wall Street and other corresponding streets crash we are still
secure from the tidal wave.

That should be your biggest motivation to support l10n.

AFAIK the mails are now being tagged so one has the freedom to
identify and do the needful as per ones interests.  So why should
ILUGC die?  It is in fact going to become more popular.

Fracturing a group is not a solution.  Forking in a FOSS project is
adopted as a worst case scenario.
I appreciate the spirit of healthy discussion in this group.

I hope that you will live and let live.
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Re: [Ilugc] Request for non-native language speakers in any LUG's mailing list

[Vikram Vincent]

On 17 July 2010 01:57, JAGANADH G  wrote:
> My comment on topic is
> 1) There is no need for a language tag. Because when somebody sends a Tamil
> mail the subject line will be also in Tamil. So if some body see a Tamil(or
> even any non-English subject) he or she can ignore if he/she is not able to
> read it. We are much bothered about freedom
> 2) Providing translation for the mail - If the original author of
> non-English mail provided translation somebody can volunteer to translate
> it.
> 3) I am not seeing any relevancy for a Language specific mailing list under
> the roof of ILIGC. Any how we will be talking about same
> techno-philosophical matters related to FOSS.
> 4) I am a non Tamil Speaker, still the Tamil mails are not at all annoying
> me. With my limited Tamil reading skill I may try to read and understand it
> time permits. Otherwise I may ignore it; like a topic which is not
> interesting to me  or totally unknown to me (I think most people will do the
> same). So what I feels is that - creating a new mailing list guidelines is
> not required.
> 5) I have seen that Malayalam mails are appearing in the Kerala based FOSS
> mailing list. Many non malayalaees are there in the list. Still I didn't saw
> any such complaints in the mailing list, or arguments for a Malayalam tag.
> 6) If we increase tags what will happen if somebody says taht I am not
> interested to read "technology X" and "technology Y" related mails and the
> authors are requested to tage the mails with [technology X] and [technology
> Y] tag?
>

+1 for the above points.
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[Ilugc] [X-post] Announcement of National Conference On Free Software- 2010, Bangalore

[Vikram Vincent]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Raghavendra S 
Date: 25 February 2010 16:47
Subject: [FSUG-Bangalore] Announcement of National Conference On Free
Software- 2010, Bangalore

Dear Friends,

It is a matter of great pride for all of us that the National
Conference On Free Software is being held in Bangalore on 20th and
21st of  March,2010. The conference would be hosted by the Free
Software Movement-Karnataka(FSMK) http://www.nc2010.fsmk.org/
The conference aims at enhancing awareness on Free Software in the country.

As run-up to the Conference, we will be organizing Technical Workshops
in colleges, inviting other college students and professionals in
Bangalore for the same.These will be in the mode of hands-on workshops
like we have been doing in the past. We are also trying to focus on
the Kannada localization, Accessibility tools and customized
distributions for students. There will also be some interesting inputs
to the Conference in terms of activities from the Slum Computing
Centers as well.

In the conference, apart from spreading the word of Free Software

-- We are  trying to focus  on the sociology of ICT as a whole.
-- Discussions on the Policy track will focus on working with the IT
ministry to try and get Free Software in school education in Karnataka
-- Our community has been keenly watching version 2.4 of Draft Policy
on Open Standards,  We will work with all communities including open
source  in this conference for this important battle for software
freedom
-- Good number of talks by reputed speakers in the realm of Free
Software struggle are being organized over the two days

Shri Katta Subramania Naidu, IT minster, Karnataka will be
inaugurating the conference. Central ministers and  State IT
ministers, prominent literary figures, industry professionals and
students are expected to participate.

We take this as an opportunity to urge each one of you to lend your
help and support in making this National Conference on Free Software a
success.

Free Software is the future, the future is ours.
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[Ilugc] [X-post] FSMK Newsletter Volume 5

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Dear Friends,

FSMK releasing its fifth consecutive news letter.
URL:- http://fsmk.org/Newsletter_October_2009

We are glad to receive your comments whether it is a criticism or praise..
Write to us and distribute this edition to as many of your contacts as possible.
We welcome you to have your name on one of the articles in the
forthcoming editions.

Thanks and Regards,
FSMK EB Team.
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[Ilugc] Fwd: Petition to Cancel Proprietary Tender by NIC given to CJI and DG NIC

[Vikram Vincent]

- Forwarded message --
From: kiranchandra 
Date: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 8:35 PM
Subject: Petition to Cancel Proprietary Tender by NIC given to CJI and DG NIC

For Publication

Eminent personalities including Justice V R Krisha Iyer (former Supreme
court judge) and Dr. Pushpa M Bhargava (former Vice Chairman National
Knowledge Commission) have called upon the National Informatics Centre
(NIC) to cancel its tender (Ref. No: NIC/TPS/2009/18) form purchase of
laptops with preloaded software for the Supreme Court of India.

They were part of those who have signed an online petition, which was
launched on 24-09-09, opposing this proprietary tender. Justice V R
Krisha Iyer in his comment termed this tender reactionary and has
pleaded with the Prime Minister to intervene in the name of access to
Freedom of Information and Free and Open Source Software. Sixteen
organisations (http://www.swecha.org/wiki/index.php?title=Petition) and
370 individuals (http://swecha.org/node/23/signatures) have signed the
petition.

The petition has also been sent to the Hon’ble Chief Justice of India
Shri K G Balakrishnan and the Direcetor General of NIC Dr. B K Gairola.
There is confirmation from the respective offices that the petition has
been received.

The tender relates to purchase of proprietary brands of laptops (Apple
laptops) and the software installed (Windows XP) in it. Any fair
tendering practice should allow competition and only give system
specifications. In this tender, the only brand name given is Apple and
only operating system given is Windows XP from Microsoft. This makes the
tender a single source tender and is clearly anti-competitive since
there is wide choice of hardware, software and operating systems in the
market. Therefore, this is not a single vendor situation and no
exception should be considered on this count.

Moreover, the above mentioned tender is for laptops to be used by the
Supreme Court of India. As the supreme judicial body of the country, the
Court must set a proper precedent and not allow such unfair tendering
practice.

The tender also goes against stated government policy of encouraging
free and open source softeware, and open standards. The National
Knowledge Commission in its report on e-governance submitted to the
Prime Minister stated, “Because of the enormous size and scope of the
E-governance effort in India and because of the availability of globally
recognized software talent of Indians,we must actively encourage open
source software implementations and open standards wherever possible.”

The Department of Information Technology, in its Elevent Five Year Plan
(2007-2012) has remarked that, “If computer adoption has to reach from
current 1% of population to say 5% in next five years, we have to
seriously pursue some other route, viz., that of Free/Open Source
Software (FOSS).”

The current tender’s preference for proprietary suppliers will encourage
vendor lock-in as their data and files can be read by only their
software. Such a step by the Supreme Court would set the clock back in
the country, where increasingly Government organisations and others are
turning to Free and Open Source Software. In this context, it might be
noted that Allahabad High Court has already successfully converted to
FOSS and Open Standards (http://www.allahabadhighcourt.in/faq.htm)

Institutions like NIC under the Ministry of Information and Technology
have to ensure the adoption of software that complies with open
standards. It was therefore demanded that the current tender should be
scrapped forthwith and a new tendering process be initiated without
naming any brands and incorporating Free and Open Source Software.


Organisations & Important Persons endorsing the petition
  (Web link : http://www.swecha.org/wiki/index.php?title=Petition )

     * Justice V.R.Krishna Iyer's comments

       "The present move by NIC is reactionary. I feel there is much
       substance in the points made in the petition and plead with the
       Prime Minister to intervene in the name of access to Freedom of
       Information and Free and Open Source Software".
     * Former Vice Chairman of the National Knowledge Commission Pushpa
       M Bhargava's comments

       "I am all in for free and open source software"
     * Swecha (http://swecha.org/)

     * Democratic Alliance for Knowledge Freedom (DAKF)

     * Appropriate Technology Promotion Society (ATPS), Kochi
       (http://www.atps.in/)

     * Free Software Industries Association (FSIA), Kerala
       (http://www.fsia.in/)

     * Open Software Solutions Industrial Co-operative Society
       (OSSICS), Kochi (http://www.ossics.com/)

     * Free Software Foundation, Tamil Nadu (FSFTN)

     * IT for Change, Bangalore

     * Knowledge Commons, New Delhi

     * Free Software Movement Karnataka (http://fsmk.org/)

     * Linux User Group @ IIT Delhi (http://www.lug-iitd.org/)

     * Centre for Internet and Society (http://www.cis-india.org/)

     * F

[Ilugc] Fwd: [Fsmk-discuss] FSMK NewsLetter Volume 4

[Vikram Vincent]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Rameez Thonnakkal 
Date: 2009/9/22
Subject: [Fsmk-discuss] FSMK NewsLetter Volume 4
To:


Dear Friend,

FSMK saga continues..

FSMK News Letter Volume 4 

The fourth Newsletter from FSMK is here..

FSMK is greatful to its readers of all walks of life and likes.

We are glad to receive your comments whether it is a criticism or praise..

Write to us and distribute this edition to as much of your contacts as
possible.

We welcome you to have your name on one of the articles in the forthcoming
editions.

Thanks and Regards,
FSMK EB Team.

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[Ilugc] Building a debian cluster

[Vikram Vincent]

Hi,
I have been experimenting with Debian clusters and am stuck with the
following scenario:
We have a dhcp/dns server assigning IP addresses to a few hundred
clients based on their
mac addresses. Under this I want to use a subset of the system and
designate one as the
master and four other systems as slaves. I want the master to assign
IP addresses to the
slaves at certain times and the main dhcp server at other. I have
already set up bind and
DHCP on the master.  However, the main DHCP server overrides the
master. How do I
temporarily assign new addresses to the slaves?
ref: http://debianclusters.cs.uni.edu
Thanks,
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[Ilugc] [X-post] FSMK Newsletter Volume3

[Vikram Vincent]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Rameez Thonnakkal 
Date: 2009/8/19
Subject: [Fsmk-discuss] FSMK Newsletter Volume3
To:


Dear Friend,

FSMK Newsletter Volume3 <http://fsmk.org/node/41>

We are proud to say this because of the responses and encouragement you gave us.

This time also there are enough and more reasons to read the complete
news letter in single attempt.

We are raising some serious issues in the Indian context through the Editorial.

Dr. Sabyasachi Chatterjee is talking about patent issues.

Ranjan an FSMK activist is talking about the free-software Philosophy.

Mayank, Rahul and Praveen have come up with some Technical articles.

Many items on News section from the free-software world.

Still we are expecting the critical comments from you to make this
venture a success.

Regards,
FSMK EB Team.
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS TOOLS FOR DATA MINING

[Vikram Vincent]

2009/8/5 பிரசன்னா குமார் .ர :
> Id like to know the tools available in FOSS for DATA WAREHOUSING and DATA 
> MINING

You can use rattle library with R.
rattle.togaware.com/
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[Ilugc] IEEE tutorial on GNU / Linux kernel

[Vikram Vincent]

Free Software Movement Karnataka(FSMK)
in coordination
with IEEE Bangalore section, IBM Linux Technology Centre
and BMSCE announces a Linux kernel tutorial.
IEEE announcement follows.

IEEE Bangalore Section
in association with
BMS College of Engineering and
Free Software Movement, Karnataka (FSMK)
announces TWO DAY TUTORIAL

ON GNU/LINUX Kernel Workshop
By Eminent & Experienced Faculty from FSMK and IBM
Date: May, 9th and 10th (Saturday, Sunday)
Venue:   BMS College of Engineering,
  Bull Temple Road, Basavanagudi
  Bangalore - 560 019

Prerequisites:
Its expected that all participants will have:
1. Basic knowledge of Operating Systems
2. Good working knowledge of C
3. Hands-on experience desirable
4. Kernel programming experience is a bonus
5. Basic scripting knowledge (ex: shell scripts)
6. Working knowledge of  Gnu/ Linux. Ex:
7. Booting a  Gnu/ Linux system
8. Basic system administration (adding/removing users etc)
9. Basic commands (ls, ps, chmod, mkdir, vi, etc)

We have planned to provide computer system for as many
participants as possible, but would encourage, especially
non-student participants ,to bring their own laptops so we
can accommodate more numbers.

Program:

May 9th, (DAY 1)

8:30AM   onwards: Registration

9:30 -10:30 AM:
 Inauguration: (Venue: Auditorium, BMS College of
Engineering)
 Chair:
 Mr. K.. Ramakrishna ,
 POWERGRID, Bangalore,
 Chairman, IEEE Bangalore Section
  Chief Guest:
 Dr. S. Bisalaiah, M.A , Ph.D,
 Former Vice- Chancellor, UAS, Bangalore,
 Member, Managing Body, BMSET,
 Chairman, Board of Management, BMSCE
  Guest of Honour:
  Dr. K Mallikharjuna Babu Ph.D.,
  Principal, BMS College of Engineering

10:30-11:00 AM:  Tea

11:00AM to 1:00 PM:  SESSION 1

Basics of  Gnu/ Linux Programming & Tools

1. Simple C programs
2. Simple Makefiles
3. gcc, stace, ltrace, gdb, objdump, nm, LD_PRELOAD [EXERCISE]
4. Quick overview of a typical hardware on which  Gnu/ Linux runs
(CPU, Memory, Interrupt controller, IO Bus etc)
5. Overview of the Linux Kernel
6. Kernel Layout
7. CodingStyle
8. Important subsystems
9. Kernel configuration
10. Building and booting a new kernel [EXERCISE]

1:00PM  to 2:00 PM:  LUNCH

2:00PM to 5:00PM  SESSION 2

Linux Kernel Internals: An Overview (3 hours)
1. Process and threads [EXERCISE]
2. Memory Management [EXERCISE]
3. Filesystems [EXERCISE]
4. Interrupts and exceptions & System Calls [EXERCISE]
5. Kernel synchronization
4. How is the operating system changing [DISCUSSION]
5. What are the key areas of focus [DISCUSSION]
6. Generic questions and answers

May 10th, (DAY 2)

9:30-10:30 PM SESSION 3

Device Drivers (1 hour)
1. Kernel module programming
2. Char and block drivers
3. ioctls
4. Writing simple char device driver [EXERCISE]

10:30:10:45 Tea

10:45-1:00PM SESSION 4
Kernel Debugging (2 hours , 15 Minutes)
1. printk
2. Dynamic instrumentation techniques
3. SystemTap and tracing (ftrace and markers) [EXERCISE]
4. kexec/kdump/crash analysis [EXERCISE]

1:00 PM to 2:00 PM LUNCH

2:00PM to 5:00PM
How You can contribute
1. Introduction to the  free software community
2. How to contribute
3. New exciting areas of work in the kernel
4. Generic questions and answers  Tutorial is organized in various
sessions as above. Lunch and Tea are provided. Please report at
9am at the venue. Course Fee per participant: Non-member: Rs. 1500/-;
Student  Rs. 700/- IEEE member Rs. 1200/- ; IEEE Student member Rs.550/-

Organizing Committee: Sethuraman Ganesan Chair,PAC, IEEE Bangalore
Section Hitesh Mehta, Secretary, IEEE Bangalore Section Dr. T.Srinivas,
SAC,IEEE Bangalore Section  Ravi Kiran A.,MDC, IEEE Bangalore Section
V V Srinivasan,Treasurer, IEEE Bangalore Section
Please send your registration to: Mr. Sethuraman Ganesan
 Chair - Professional
Activities IEEE Bangalore Section
 ABB Ltd,
 Khanija Bhavan, 5th
Floor, West Wing, 49, Race Course Road
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   Phone: +91 99014 99033
 e-mail: sganes...@yahoo.com

Visit IEEE Bangalore Section at http://www.ieee.org/bangalore.
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Re: [Ilugc] About Gambas

[Vikram Vincent]

2009/4/21 Ramkumar :
>                  what is gambas and how to use it ?
>                  i think,gambas likes MS's VB?
>                  Tell Details about gambas.anybody is using gambas?

I think that http://gambas.sourceforge.net/ answers your questions
in a simple manner.


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Re: [Ilugc] How to know the memory size of processes

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> Top is showing only for TOP processes.

Try 'htop'
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Re: [Ilugc] Open Source now in political domain

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> "@ Government of India to standardise on 'open standard' and 'open source'
> software. An IT standards-setting body would be spun out of BIS
> (Bureau of Indian Standards)"


It is to be seen whether they earnestly implement their manifesto or
it is nothing but hot air and empty promises.
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Re: [Ilugc] looking for an LUG in bangaluru !

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> in which case, why have two organisations in Bengaluru? why not merge the two?

Sure, why not.
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Re: [Ilugc] Debian 64 bit support for HP Compaq dx2480 Microtower PC

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>> > We wish to buy HP Compaq dx2480 Microtower PC.
>> >
>> > We need to know that whether Debian 64 bit is supported for this PC.

Debian's AMD 64 version would be appropriate.
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Re: [Ilugc] looking for an LUG in bangaluru !

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>> >> > that is a FSUG, not a LUG
>>
>> Functionally, does not make a difference.
>
> there is a huge difference between a LUG and a FSUG.

Leaving the ideological naming convention or any perceived
difference, there is none.
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Re: [Ilugc] looking for an LUG in bangaluru !

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>> > that is a FSUG, not a LUG
>>
>> So what?
>
> OP was looking for a LUG

Functionally, does not make a difference.
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Re: [Ilugc] looking for an LUG in bangaluru !

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> that is a FSUG, not a LUG

So what?
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Re: [Ilugc] looking for an LUG in bangaluru !

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Hi Ravi,

2009/3/11 Ravi Jaya :
> Very recent time i had moved to banglore, I like to hear from you, is their
> any active LUG in bangaluru. how active?

A very active group is http://bangalore.gnu.org.in/

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Re: [Ilugc] fossconf-09-negative side

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>> Your are forgetting very important point i.e NRCFOSS.
>> It is National Resource Centre for Free and Open Source Software
>> paid out of taxpayers money, to promote FOSS not individuals.
>> It is acceptable even if an ILUGC volunteer has done it, because
>> it is only voluntary. Whereas anything from NRCFOSS has a duty I repeat
>> DUTY to promote FOSS, not just interest in technical subject.
>
> why?

Because it says so...
"National Resource Centre for Free/Open Source Software (NRCFOSS) aims
to contribute to the growth of FOSS in India through Research and
Development, Human Resource Development, Networking and
Entrepreneurship Development, as well as serve as the reference point
for all FOSS related activities in the country including the creation
and maintenance of this national FOSS Portal."
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Re: [Ilugc] என் ஆர் சி பா ஸ் - மின்பதிப்பாக் கப் பட்டறை

[Vikram Vincent]

Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:

On Wednesday 04 March 2009 19:24:50 Vikram Vincent wrote:
  

Yes all indians respect each others' language.


except ramadoss and raj thackeray and other language fanatics
  

Being a senior person I think that such rash comments should be avoided.
Amachu is not a fanatic. He just loves to communicate in his mother tongue
more than others. Linguistic fanatics are people who promote language for
the sake of language and without any scientific understanding of the
historical perspective of language.



perfect description of amachu

  

Actually no.
It is a perfect description of certain groups around the country who 
damage public property,

indulge in violence, etc.. in the name of language...
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Re: [Ilugc] என் ஆர் சி பாஸ் - மின்பதிப்பாக்கப் பட் டறை

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> since you have posted in english, may I assume that that is your mother
> tongue?

No, it is not. The Constitution of India upholds my freedom of communication
in whatever language I want to.
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Re: [Ilugc] என் ஆர் சி பாஸ் - மின்பதிப்பாக்கப் பட் டறை

[Vikram Vincent]

>> Yes all indians respect each others' language.
>
> except ramadoss and raj thackeray and other language fanatics

Being a senior person I think that such rash comments should be avoided.
Amachu is not a fanatic. He just loves to communicate in his mother tongue
more than others. Linguistic fanatics are people who promote language for
the sake of language and without any scientific understanding of the
historical perspective of language.
The mother tongue is the first language that one comes in contact the day
one is born and scientists have also shown that one learns best in the mother
tongue and not in an alien language, example English.
It is ideal to ensure that all knowledge is available in ones mother tongue to
ensure that strong local economies are built. This also ensures that
monopolies are not possible which is very important for healthy competition.
If people are comfortable posting in the mother tongue then let them.
If one want to mark such mail as spam then go ahead. That is a freedom that
one has.
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Re: [Ilugc] annauniv-tamilnadu.blogspot.com/2009/01/nrcfoss-are-you-there_30.html

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2009/3/2 Kenneth Gonsalves :
> we are working on it, and will shortly be conducting a meeting with
> responsible people in VTU and the Karnataka government. We have a mandate to
> *promote* foss - we do not have a mandate to oppose universities signing MOU's
> with vendors of proprietary software. Previously the powers that be in
> Karnataka were very opposed to FOSS

Ok.

> and the FOSS community in Karnataka was in
> disarray. Now a strong FOSS community has emerged and

I think that you should not come to these conclusions just from your
interactions with a
couple of people on online groups and/or by attending the recent
meeting at Bangalore.
The Free Software Movement or FOSS movement in Karnataka has been
making a lot of
progress and much before my tenure at NRCFOSS.

> the government is also
> more favourably inclined towards FOSS, so we have a good climate to work.

This needs further assessment.

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Re: [Ilugc] annauniv-tamilnadu.blogspot.com/2009/01/nrcfoss-are-you-there_30.html

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2009/3/2 Kenneth Gonsalves :
> On Monday 02 March 2009 13:58:00 Vikram Vincent wrote:
>> In Karnataka we had a "Say NO to VTU-M$ tie-up". It would have been good
>> had NRCFOSS been an actual signatory apart from verbal support.
>
> this does not fall under NRC-FOSS's mandate/terms of reference.

I think that ensuring that Universities are convinced of the necessity of FOSS
should be a mandate of NRCFOSS. In Karnataka, we have a situation where
we need to convince VTU to implement  FOSS in education. This requires the
training of teachers. The training of teachers would come under the category
of 'human resource development'. How can NRCFOSS help us with this?
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Re: [Ilugc] annauniv-tamilnadu.blogspot.com/2009/01/nrcfoss-are-you-there_30.html

[Vikram Vincent]

In Karnataka we had a "Say NO to VTU-M$ tie-up". It would have been good
had NRCFOSS been an actual signatory apart from verbal support.
We shall be continuing this campaign again and I hope that NRCFOSS will play an
active role.
Vikram Vincent

2009/3/2 Vikram Vincent :
>
> I don't maintain the blog but I have a few suggestions:
> 1. Actively support teams in all States of India in promoting FOSS.
> Support would
> cover resources to train teachers, providing a
> platform(university-level meetings etc)
> where we can meet the concerned teachers and convince them.
> 2. Training of teachers in multiple phases. One time is NOT sufficient.
> 3. Ensuring that colleges have adequate facilities to implement the subject.
> 4. For FOSS to develop the local economy must directly be benefited.
> This can be
> made possible by encouraging newer entrepreneurs and not just already
> established ones.
> 5. Discuss NRCFOSS's plan of action with people doing ground work not just
> on the mailing list as the mailing list is only a tool for coordination.
> 6. NRCFOSS should work as a catalyst keeping the promotion of FOSS as
> the primary goal.
> Regards,


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Re: [Ilugc] annauniv-tamilnadu.blogspot.com/2009/01/nrcfoss-are-you-there_30.html

[Vikram Vincent]

Greetings,

> I have been requested by Prof C N Krishnan to post the following reply to the
> post mentioned in the subject:
>
> "I coordinate the NRCFOSS Project in Anna University. I certainly
> appreciate the interest and concern shown by the author, and I am sure
> that lots more can be (should be ) done by us for FOSS promotion. I would
> like the author to please let me know how we can contact him/her to see if
> he/she has any specific suggestions or advice to give us, and also if
> he/she can get involved in our work in what ever possible ways. We at
> NRCFOSS certainly value all well meaning criticism and advice.So please do
> contact me.My name is C N Krishnan, and my e-mail is cnkrish at au-kbc dot
> org"


I don't maintain the blog but I have a few suggestions:
1. Actively support teams in all States of India in promoting FOSS.
Support would
cover resources to train teachers, providing a
platform(university-level meetings etc)
where we can meet the concerned teachers and convince them.
2. Training of teachers in multiple phases. One time is NOT sufficient.
3. Ensuring that colleges have adequate facilities to implement the subject.
4. For FOSS to develop the local economy must directly be benefited.
This can be
made possible by encouraging newer entrepreneurs and not just already
established ones.
5. Discuss NRCFOSS's plan of action with people doing ground work not just
on the mailing list as the mailing list is only a tool for coordination.
6. NRCFOSS should work as a catalyst keeping the promotion of FOSS as
the primary goal.
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Re: [Ilugc] re: F/OSS Support for Enterprise, Education and Domestic purpose

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2009/1/16 Sri Ramadoss M :
> Might have been typing something else in Tamil and as I read mails here that
> get carried away..
>
> Kindly tolerate as it is a list based at Chennai. Never mails in Tamil to a
> list, having base outside TN.

There is nothing wrong to post in ones mother tongue. Feel free.
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[Ilugc] Demolition of Chennai Conspiracy Theory (Was : Fwd: [Fsf-friends] Comrades’ new-found love with IT)

[Vikram Vincent]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Vikram Vincent 
Date: 2009/1/5
Subject: Re: [Fsf-friends] Comrades' new-found love with IT
To: "V. Sasi Kumar" 
Cc: fsf-friends 


2009/1/5 V. Sasi Kumar :
> On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 21:38 +0530, Vikram Vincent wrote:
>> Let me try to sketch out a possibility you may not have thought about...
>
>> 
>> Some youth who were inspired by the ideals of free software and
>> FSF/FSFI wanted to contribute their efforts to building the free
>> software movement in TN. They were not aware about FSFI's policy on
>> local chapters(I can safely say that not many knew that until
>> recently) and did not know that they would have stones thrown at them
>> for using the FSFI logo and also branded as "misguided activists of a
>> political party". They invited people who they felt would support the
>> cause of free software. Due to being extremely busy in organising such
>> a program they were not able/forgot to send a mail to the required
>> lists.
>> Then certain people on this list, instead of trying to guide these
>> youth, started throwing stones at them. Youth do not want to be beaten
>> with stones and hence do not reply to FSFI's mail.
>> 
>> Sasi Sir,
>> In your wisdom please see if such a situation is even remotely possible.
>
> Thank you for presenting another possible scenario. But this still
> leaves me with several doubts. They knew of the existence of FSFI,
> enough to use the logo. The minimum they could have done was to write to
> any of the FSFI mailing lists to inform FSFI about their intentions.
> They did not do so. FSFI wrote to the email id given in their website to
> ask about the people who were organising the conference. There was no
> response. If someone wants to condone these things, they will have to
> admit that these people were very naive and ignorant. But the contents
> of the newsletter they had put up on their website showed that they were
> not all that ignorant about Free Software or FSF.
>
> Dear Vikram,
>
> I don't think I am a very wise person. There is too much to understand
> about life for most people to become really wise in their lifetime. In
> my limited wisdom and intelligence, I think the scenario you have
> described is possible, but very highly improbable.

The fact that you have admitted that this is a possible situation is
sufficient.  In a court of law, if there is room for doubt then an
entity cannot be condemned and thus unless the situation I have
sketched out is disproved beyond reasonable doubt the "Chennai
conspiracy theory" stands demolished.
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[Ilugc] Re: [Fsf-friends] Ogg album in the Month of Music

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Hey Amachu,

2008/12/17 Sri Ramadoss M :
> Or Some poet can even compose a Tamil Song for Free Software.. How
> long are we going to rest on Videos of Redhat and FSF for
> Campaigning..

The Swatantra Free Culture Showcase
http://swatantra.org/wiki/index.php?title=SwatantraFreeCultureShowcase
was an experiment in this direction. I think we should make a even
larger effort in this direction.
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[Ilugc] On National Conference on Free Software at Kochi

[Vikram Vincent]

After a good experience at the First National Conference at Hyderabad I had
been planning to attend the Second Conference at Kochi from the time of its
announcement a couple of months ago. Even my serious ill-health could not
keep me away from the conference as many will vouch. After two weeks of bad
health of which 5 days were spent on a hospital bed I woke up from the
hospital bed and came straight to Kochi.

The Conference was well organised and the 1000+ delegate participation from
all over the country was magnificent. It was a representation of the growing
peoples' mass movement which cannot be stopped or controlled by vested
interests or power centres. What is obvious is the conscious conversion of a
developers' movement to a peoples' movement. THE PEOPLE ARE TAKING CHARGE.
The resolutions brought out at the conference are important and I hope that
they will be released soon.
One of the most important talks was the one by Sri. Sitaram Yechury where
the issue of the crisis in global capitalism and its impact on people and
the role of the Free Software Movement in building the resistance was
presented in terms that even a 10th standard student could understand.

A couple of years ago when organising the GPLv3 conference I noticed that
only a small group of people took responsibility and organised the 'event'.
But now the dynamics has changed. Events are being replaced by processes.
The Karnataka team (I am not referring to FSUG-Bangalore because though I am
an integral part of it I know that it is not representative of Karnataka but
only a miniscule part of the Movement. A single community. FSUG B'lore is
just a mailing list.) comprising of ordinary people from the slums, computer
technical trainers from villages, academicians, IT employees, engineering
students and others participated in the conference. The conscious effort to
build a mass movement in Karnataka is bearing fruit and this was clear when
almost one and a half bus loads of activists from Karnataka reached Kochi.
Even the efforts to sideline genuine work and at various important
protests/programs could not/cannot dampen our spirits.

What struck me as odd was why FSF-India which claims to be THE free software
community was not a part of this important process.
While we will support causes which are just irrespective of individuals and
banners we will definitely not allow elements to disrupt the movement here
in Karnataka or anywhere in India and we will continue to work to build the
movement the best way we know -- as a mass movement.
Join us and you will be assimilated.
In solidarity with the Free Software Movement,
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Re: [Ilugc] Fedora 9 valued at $10.8B

[Vikram Vincent]

2008/10/23 Vikram Vincent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> 2008/10/23 Rahul Sundaram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> http://desktoplinux.com/news/NS5325969099.html
>> 
>
>
The above is a silly argument as the Hurd is only one component and
comparable with Linux the kernel and not Fedora the OS. Large parts of
Fedora are due to GNU.
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Re: [Ilugc] Fedora 9 valued at $10.8B

[Vikram Vincent]

2008/10/23 Rahul Sundaram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> http://desktoplinux.com/news/NS5325969099.html
> 

 For example, the Linux kernel alone would take $1.4B to build, and
an estimated 16 years to complete. No wonder the Free Software Foundation
never got anywhere with Hurd. 

The above is a silly argument as the Hurd is only one component and
comparable with Linux the kernel and not Fedora the OS.
Large parts of Fedora are due to GNU.
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Re: [Ilugc] new LUG in Bengaluru

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2008/10/17 Srinivasan Sundararajan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I am visiting KLES's College of Engg., & Technology, Belgaum next week to
> give a talk on FOSS and discuss about their FOSS activities. They are keen
> on FOSS training workshops (for students and staff), projects, etc.
>
> Would like to put them in touch with LUG / FOSS community members who could
> help them. Bangalore LUG group might be ideal. Cotacts from others are also
> welcome.
>
> [They might be closer to Kolhapur where Kenneth had initiated lots of
> activities. But, for administrative purposes, they fall under Karnataka
> universities. We could also use them to initiate introduction of FOSS in
> curriculum in these universities, reach out to more colleges, etc.]
>
> Would welcome contact info and other suggestions.
>

Nice to know that NRCFOSS is building the college community in Karnataka.
What would be really good is if NRCFOSS can share some advance info with the
FOSS community in Karnataka regarding the where and the when.
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Re: [Ilugc] new LUG in Bengaluru

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2008/10/17 Srinivasan Sundararajan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I am visiting KLES's College of Engg., & Technology, Belgaum next week to
> give a talk on FOSS and discuss about their FOSS activities.
>

On what date is the talk scheduled for?
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Re: [Ilugc] new LUG in Bengaluru

[Vikram Vincent]

Greetings,

2008/10/17 Srinivasan Sundararajan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>
> I am visiting KLES's College of Engg., & Technology, Belgaum next week to
> give a talk on FOSS and discuss about their FOSS activities. They are keen
> on FOSS training workshops (for students and staff), projects, etc.
>
> Would like to put them in touch with LUG / FOSS community members who could
> help them. Bangalore LUG group might be ideal. Cotacts from others are also
> welcome.
>
> We would be happy to help out for anything that comes within the borders of
Karnataka.
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Re: [Ilugc] Python video lectures

[Vikram Vincent]

2008/10/11 Kumar Appaiah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Dear ILUGC,
>
> Some videos of Scientific computing with Python lectures by Dr. Eric
> Jones of Enthought and Dr. Prabhu Ramachandran of IIT Bombay can be
> found here:
>
> http://ekalavya.it.iitb.ac.in/contents.do?topic=Python
>
>
I am unable to view the lectures and get the following message -- "The
presentation requires Internet Explorer 5.0 or later, Netscape Navigator 7.0
or later, or Internet Explorer 5.2.2 or later for Mac. To download the
latest version of Internet Explorer from the Microsoft Web site, click OK."

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