Re: [ilugd] vivekagrawal83 wants to keep up with you on Twitter

2008-01-09 Thread Priya Kumar
Hey Raj  others...

Right now I need to go for a meeting, but I will answer each point if and
when I get the chance... meanwhile, here's a rejoinder from me...

Apps like twitter arose because the very character of the internet changed
because of ubiquitious server centric computing-- away from the days when
servers were the preserve of sun, silicon graphics and dec amongst others...
and folks could not even think of using network based computing for
something as trivial as sharing information about presence.

Twitter, Joiku, facebook are today what these lists were 10 years back-- in
1997... and in those days administrators were similarly kicking out people
for misusing internet ?

Why dont you instead try to explore this new world... who says one cant
reach out to thousands one doesnt know ? if the medium allows it... then why
not ?

Maybe you are all good-- but Raj, this mail-- along with your discourse
about backwardness-- and how it connects with freed-- made it sound
suspiciously like a dictator knows what's best-- to control resources and
authority- while citing a higher purpose.

Also, I think your mail is totally political-- intended to establish
dominance without alienating your own constituency-- and that stinks--
you sound like a communist advocating the rule of the intelligentsia--
before running a massacre.

Lingam; Sriram-- what I am saying abt groupism-- is based on my own
experiences as a professional and not on any political arguments.

Personally if Raj is some sort of authority figure-- I feel you should have
asked the fellows who insisted of making fun of Rizwan to shut up or be
kicked-- or atleast directed RIzwan to some linux learning resource page--
instead of letting people make a joke out of him.

Also, it is disgusting how people like Kenneth pick on individuals who are
new or out of their domain.

And instead of stamping out such bullying--- folks like Raj and Gora abet
it.

That folks is not leadership... that's mobocracy... where you quote some
higher religion (like list etiquette) while letting riots run amok on the
ground... modi for pm anyone ? I'd rather die first.

Even if someone is different-- like that Rizwanur fellow--- or the guy with
bad spellings who Kenneth made fun of--- you leader types need to think
about how to make them part of it---
rather than quote some story... and why people should be killed for
spamming...

-Pri



On 1/9/08, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Wednesday 09 Jan 2008, Linux Lingam wrote:
  [snip]
 
  may i recommend:
 
  a. a temporary suspend of the account with a transparent reason
  worded politely.
 
  b. three counts of such suspension are followed by a ban.
 
  c. three counts of a ban.. oh wait!
 
  [decides to abstain from...]

 Thanks for volunteering to write the application that will keep track of
 each user's misdemeanours, his/her suspension period, his/her
 suspension revocation time, count of number of bans/suspensions, etc!

 I'm sure the list admin (Kishore) doesn't have time for keeping track of
 all this.

 Regards,

 -- Raju
 --
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Re: [ilugd] vivekagrawal83 wants to keep up with you on Twitter

2008-01-09 Thread Nalin Savara
/
/Apps like twitter arose because the very character of the internet changed
/because of ubiquitious server centric computing-- away from the days when
/servers were the preserve of sun, silicon graphics and dec amongst
others...
/and folks could not even think of using network based computing for
/something as trivial as sharing information about presence.
/
/Twitter, Joiku, facebook are today what these lists were 10 years back-- in
/1997... and in those days administrators were similarly kicking out people
/for misusing internet ?
/
/Why dont you instead try to explore this new world... who says one cant
/reach out to thousands one doesnt know ? if the medium allows it... then
why
/not ?
/

Ma'am,

I totally agree with you.

RAS (regn, authentication, status) was a domain of high-end VOIP protocol
stacks... costing millions and tens of millions of dollars- today these
things encapsulated in the concept of presence have changed the way the
younger generation works and thinks.

Your observations are very good-- Also, what do you do professionally ? if
on orkut, linkedin or facebook, use my email ID to add me.

Nalin



On 1/9/08, Priya Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey Raj  others...

 Right now I need to go for a meeting, but I will answer each point if and
 when I get the chance... meanwhile, here's a rejoinder from me...

 Apps like twitter arose because the very character of the internet changed
 because of ubiquitious server centric computing-- away from the days when
 servers were the preserve of sun, silicon graphics and dec amongst
 others...
 and folks could not even think of using network based computing for
 something as trivial as sharing information about presence.

 Twitter, Joiku, facebook are today what these lists were 10 years back--
 in
 1997... and in those days administrators were similarly kicking out people
 for misusing internet ?

 Why dont you instead try to explore this new world... who says one cant
 reach out to thousands one doesnt know ? if the medium allows it... then
 why
 not ?

 Maybe you are all good-- but Raj, this mail-- along with your discourse
 about backwardness-- and how it connects with freed-- made it sound
 suspiciously like a dictator knows what's best-- to control resources
 and
 authority- while citing a higher purpose.

 Also, I think your mail is totally political-- intended to establish
 dominance without alienating your own constituency-- and that stinks--
 you sound like a communist advocating the rule of the intelligentsia--
 before running a massacre.

 Lingam; Sriram-- what I am saying abt groupism-- is based on my own
 experiences as a professional and not on any political arguments.

 Personally if Raj is some sort of authority figure-- I feel you should
 have
 asked the fellows who insisted of making fun of Rizwan to shut up or be
 kicked-- or atleast directed RIzwan to some linux learning resource
 page--
 instead of letting people make a joke out of him.

 Also, it is disgusting how people like Kenneth pick on individuals who are
 new or out of their domain.

 And instead of stamping out such bullying--- folks like Raj and Gora abet
 it.

 That folks is not leadership... that's mobocracy... where you quote some
 higher religion (like list etiquette) while letting riots run amok on the
 ground... modi for pm anyone ? I'd rather die first.

 Even if someone is different-- like that Rizwanur fellow--- or the guy
 with
 bad spellings who Kenneth made fun of--- you leader types need to think
 about how to make them part of it---
 rather than quote some story... and why people should be killed for
 spamming...

 -Pri



 On 1/9/08, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Wednesday 09 Jan 2008, Linux Lingam wrote:
   [snip]
  
   may i recommend:
  
   a. a temporary suspend of the account with a transparent reason
   worded politely.
  
   b. three counts of such suspension are followed by a ban.
  
   c. three counts of a ban.. oh wait!
  
   [decides to abstain from...]
 
  Thanks for volunteering to write the application that will keep track of
  each user's misdemeanours, his/her suspension period, his/her
  suspension revocation time, count of number of bans/suspensions, etc!
 
  I'm sure the list admin (Kishore) doesn't have time for keeping track of
  all this.
 
  Regards,
 
  -- Raju
  --
  Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://kandalaya.org/
  Freedom in Technology  Software || February 2008 || http://freed.in/
 GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5  0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F
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Re: [ilugd] (no subject)

2008-01-09 Thread Gora Mohanty
On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 12:17 +0530, Priya Kumar wrote:
 Dont you people realize you are being total hippocrites ?

Pot.kettle.black

 At one end, you kick out a lurker who wants to reach out and contact
 one-to-one with the group-- for sending a single off-topic message.
 
 At the other end, you yourselves create traffic of 5-10 messages-- for
 nothing ?

Please point to one message I have sent in the past month
that was off-topic, and then we can talk about hypocrisy.

[...]
 Gora ? if you are a 20-something youngster from some small town- then
 stop being a frog who even after being released in the ocean tries to
 carry his vision of his well with him-- in time you'll realize it's
 not healthy

I see. By that logic, if you are 20-something, you can go
be an ass in public forums without repercussions. Mailing
lists have rules for very good reasons.

 - and believe me you, I am professionally qualified to judge what
 constitutes mental health and what doesnt.

Oh, really? In that case, physician, please heal thyself.

Regards,
Gora


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Re: [ilugd] Linux graphic PC!

2008-01-09 Thread Linux Lingam
dear all,

karunakar had actually raised this question to me in a personal email,
so i wished this to move to the mailing list where all may enrich the
discussion and also find a public archive for future reference and
evolution.
thanks everyone so far, for adding details especially on RAID, as the
real bottleneck with media-editing is storage of binary large objects
(blobs).
some comments inline:

On Jan 2, 2008 7:20 PM, G Karunakar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,
   I have been looking to assemble up a PC - primarily to be used for
 1) Graphics, Photo editing, printing , management, Blender etc.
 2) Running multiple distro's in Xen (or other virtualization).

tangential recommendation: triple-boot a macbook with macOS, win,
linux, and run cross-pollinated virtualizations under it as well. good
fun.


 So whats a recommended hardware -for motherboard, graphics card,
 Monitor, photo printer etc which are better compatible..

 Intel Core 2 Duo or Quad Core / AMD Athlon X2

either. don't worry too much about the marketing talk. the critical
performance required for desktop graphics workstations is
well-surpassed here.

[snip]
  the box would run Debian testing/unstable with other distros
 configured through Xen.

hmm.. my two shillongs (!) on distros:
use debian testing in one partition, unstable in another, and also add
ubuntustudio 7.10. you'll soon discover how this ecosystem gives you
the best of all worlds.

 with ATI/nVidia graphics card (I guess as of now only binary
 propreitry drivers work well).

have played with nVidia on this 5-year old machine. the opinion of a
lot of people these days i interact with, points towards ATI.

 if i take a nVidia GForce 7200 etc card, would blender utilise it
 well? (i wonder so on linux!)

i doubt it. not blender's fault. the underlying OS support is the key.
so far i've noticed that all the wonderful, top-end features available
in high-end graphics cards are hardly supported under linux. all that
may be changing with the announcements in 2007 from ati and nvidia. as
a pragmatic approach, i'd recommend don't pick up the latest blatest
graphics card with high-end features, until you're sure it is fully
supported.
the key operative word is 'fully'.
otoh, if you get your basic support from it, and wish to risk full
support within a few months/years downstream, go ahead. waste of money
though.


 2-4GB RAM

4GB is the minimum. see if you can touch 8GB. this is where the real
bottleneck arises.
 Na MAYA3D milegee na RAM.


 2x320 GB HDD.

watch it fill up within weeks or a month or two.
hence RAID.

 Good LCD/TFT 17/19 monitor? which can do good color.. (preferably
 non-wide screen), can these be color-calibrated well or using CRT is
 better?

CRT is better. besides you do have a laptop, so you can always compare
the differences in LCD and CRT with the same image.

expect a lot of new technologies over the next few years that will
make LCDs and plasma and even newer technologies (laser projection
monitors) surge far ahead of CRTs. alas i have yet to see stuff
trickle down for commodity desktop monitors.

if you're interested in real color-calibrated monitors, and have the
moolah for it, consider either buying a professional CRT monitor with
calibration hardware built-in,
or better yet, buy yourself a handy spectrophotometer and
color-calibration device. with this, you can calibrate monitors,
printers, scanners, et al.

think of a spectrophotometer as a device that takes photos of colors,
not of images.
i've played around with a few, and love them.

okay, almost all CRT monitors for desktops are more-or-less of the
same quality. so don't bug yourself too much with which to buy. the
real insight is no matter what you buy, color tends to drift with
time.

most professional color calibration references tend to recommend
calibrating monitors once a month or at best, fortnightly. my
experience over 15 years shows that this is incorrect, especially for
india with our extreme power conditions, extreme weather, and other
factors.

therefore, i tend to calibrate once a day, first thing in the morning,
after 30 minutes of switch-on. am always surprised at how much
drifting happens.

secondly, after three years, replace the monitor with a new one. you
won't notice the difference since your mind tends to attenuate the
subtle and gradual degradation over a daily basis. a body under
constant observation never changes. :-)

finally, the art and science of color calibration and color-management
has very little dependency on devices and workflows. it is far more
important for you to develop specific skills regarding color. as part
of my professional consulting over these 15 years in digital color,
have often come across professionals working in jobs to do with color,
who tend to soley rely on their purchasing power and their devices to
'automagically' color calibrate and color manage.

alas! the most critical component of digital color and professional
color, is the human.
an uncalibrated 

Re: [ilugd] [COMMERCIAL] MySQL session at OSIW; let's design the programme together

2008-01-09 Thread Linux Lingam
[snip]


 Is participation in the sessions free?  If not, will the people who make
 suggestions be paid for improving the quality of the course? :)

 -- Raju


heheheee. one cup of your favourite coffee from me for that killer-question!



:-)
regards
niyam

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Re: [ilugd] vivekagrawal83 wants to keep up with you on Twitter

2008-01-09 Thread Linux Lingam
[snip]

some excellent points made by priya.
is it possible to set up an ilug-d presence of twitter? facebook?
other more contemporary media?: let's surely go ahead and do it?

can anyone set up (fund?) a group sms subscriber service as well,
which sends one sms tip a day or something?

ilug-d on youtube?
ilug-d podcasts?
ilug-d myspace?
ilug-d placeholder


let's go for it!

regards
niyam

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[ilugd] muft and mukt youtube equivalent?

2008-01-09 Thread Linux Lingam
dear all,


since my system's finally resurrected, wish to quickly edit and
publish some short videos.
youtube with its flash and other properties may be avoided
if you could recommend video-sharing websites that take open
fileformats (which do you recommend?)
with open licenses, and data portability...?

thanks in advance for your responses.

regards
niyam


-- 
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Re: [ilugd] vivekagrawal83 wants to keep up with you on Twitter

2008-01-09 Thread Raj Mathur
I might even have bothered to respond to the rest of th message, until I 
came across...

On Wednesday 09 Jan 2008, Priya Kumar wrote:
 [snip]
 Maybe you are all good-- but Raj, this mail-- along with your
 discourse about backwardness-- and how it connects with freed-- made
 it sound suspiciously like a dictator knows what's best-- to
 control resources and authority- while citing a higher purpose.

 Also, I think your mail is totally political-- intended to establish
 dominance without alienating your own constituency-- and that
 stinks-- you sound like a communist advocating the rule of the
 intelligentsia-- before running a massacre.

I'd like a hit from your crack pipe too, Priya!

The coders that crack together, hack together!

-- Raju
-- 
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[ilugd] Please unsubscribe me from the mailing list

2008-01-09 Thread Arjun Ghosh
Hi,
Please unsubscribe me from the mailing list
Thanks and regards
Arjun



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Re: [ilugd] Please unsubscribe me from the mailing list

2008-01-09 Thread Sriram J
On 1/9/08, Arjun Ghosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,
 Please unsubscribe me from the mailing list
 Thanks and regards
 Arjun


Help yourselves with this link.
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Re: [ilugd] vivekagrawal83 wants to keep up with you on Twitter

2008-01-09 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves

On 09-Jan-08, at 1:38 PM, Priya Kumar wrote:

 Why dont you instead try to explore this new world... who says one  
 cant
 reach out to thousands one doesnt know ? if the medium allows it...  
 then why
 not ?

you have missed the point - we are not advocating kicking  
vivekagrawal83 for inviting us to Twitter. I do not think he intended  
to invite us. We want to kick him for exposing his address book to a  
spam site. Handing over one's address book to any site is to say the  
least, stupid - and in my opinion an act of criminal negligence. A  
lot of us are members of some of these sites - I even heard a rumour  
that Raj was a member of orkut (hope it's not true and apologise for  
spreading it if not true).


 Also, it is disgusting how people like Kenneth pick on individuals  
 who are
 new or out of their domain.

I have specifically answered this - if you want, please refute the  
answer and do not repeat the same thing again and again. As for the  
guy who doesnt know how to unsubcribe - that's his problem. He  
shouldnt join lists without knowing how to leave them. I did not  
notice you advising him on how to unsubsribe, btw.


-- 
regards

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Associate, NRC-FOSS
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [ilugd] vivekagrawal83 wants to keep up with you on Twitter

2008-01-09 Thread Viksit Gaur
Niyam, 

As per ILUG-D's long standing rule, you're nominated
for the following:

- Set up ilugd presence on all the sites mentioned
below :)


Go forth and sign up!

--- Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 is it possible to set up an ilug-d presence of
 twitter? facebook?
 other more contemporary media?: let's surely go
 ahead and do it?


 
 can anyone set up (fund?) a group sms subscriber
 service as well,
 which sends one sms tip a day or something?
 
 ilug-d on youtube?
 ilug-d podcasts?
 ilug-d myspace?
 ilug-d placeholder
 
 
 let's go for it!

-- Viksit

--
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viksit at aya dot yale dot edu
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Re: [ilugd] muft and mukt youtube equivalent?

2008-01-09 Thread Linux Lingam
dear all,

[snip]
 youtube with its flash and other properties may be avoided

been researching. found a highly-interesting article that explains it all.
found this paragraph the *most* interesting:

[excerpt]
But there are other reasons besides to consider including Free
Software formats in your video publishing activities. Chief among them
is the fact that large corporate video sharing websites like YouTube
feature often unpleasant, ambiguous terms of service for those
uploading files to their servers.
Among others, Boing Boing's Xeni Jardin reported on the troubling
issues surrounding sharing your video through YouTube. She notes that:

''YouTube's new Terms  Conditions allow them to sell whatever
you uploaded however they want:

…by submitting the User Submissions to YouTube, you hereby grant
YouTube a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicenseable and
transferable license to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative
works of, display, and perform the User Submissions in connection with
the YouTube Website and YouTube's (and its successor's) business… in
any media formats and through any media channels.

Among other things, this means they could strip the audio portion
of any track and sell it on a CD. Or, they could sell your video to an
ad firm looking to get edgy; suddenly your indie reggae tune could
be the soundtrack to a new ad for SUVs. The sky's still the limit,
when it comes to the rights you surrender to YouTube when you upload
your video.''

With terms of service like these it really is worth thinking twice
before uploading your video to this proprietary, mega-corporate
hosting service. Sure, they have more videos and viewers than anyone
else, but the price could be your freedom, and control over your
content.

[/excerpt]

reference here:
http://www.masternewmedia.org/online-video/video-sharing-and-publishing/how-to-watch-online-video-with-free-software-20070301.htm


the above reference also clearly mentions some alternatives that help
encode, publish, and distribute using muft and mukt values,
fileformats, engines, and more.

which ones do you recommend?

i also feel this topic must be raised at freed.in 2008


regards
niyam


 if you could recommend video-sharing websites that take open
 fileformats (which do you recommend?)
 with open licenses, and data portability...?

 thanks in advance for your responses.

 regards
 niyam


 --
 niyam bhushan




-- 
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Re: [ilugd] vivekagrawal83 wants to keep up with you on Twitter

2008-01-09 Thread Sriram J
How does backwardness connect with freed.
i wonder if by the same logic progress and modernity connect with vista
can i also get some gyan on it.
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Re: [ilugd] muft and mukt youtube equivalent?

2008-01-09 Thread Sandip Bhattacharya
Linux Lingam wrote:
 dear all,
 
 
 since my system's finally resurrected, wish to quickly edit and
 publish some short videos.
 youtube with its flash and other properties may be avoided
 if you could recommend video-sharing websites that take open
 fileformats (which do you recommend?)
 with open licenses, and data portability...?

I am not sure about the licences, but have you seen this amazing site?

http://www.humblevoice.com/
Their tagline is Humble Voice is a community of artists and those who
appreciate them.


Some amazing artwork apart from video out here.

- Sandip


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Re: [ilugd] [COMMERCIAL] MySQL session at OSIW; let's design the programme together

2008-01-09 Thread Atanu Datta
On Wednesday 09 Jan 2008 1:11:27 pm Raj Mathur wrote:
 On Wednesday 09 Jan 2008, Atanu Datta wrote:
  Hi all!
 
  MySQL will conduct a session in Bangalore and Delhi during the OSIW
  (Open Source India Week) where they want feedback on the topics the
  attendees will be interested in knowing more about. Following are a
  few topics that came forth when we were cooking the programme with
  MySQL's David Axmark and Brian Aker.
 
  1. Zero hassles transition from MS Access/Oracle to MySQL
  2. How to do Stored Procedures, Triggers  Views in MySQL
  3. How to write storage engines for MySQL
 
  Those are some of the things that our DBA wants to know more about.
  Obviously, there should be many more topics that you all want covered
  or wanna discuss. Please throw your ideas, we'll put all of 'em in
  the melting pot, and hand it over to the Brian so that he can design
  the final programme.
 
 Is participation in the sessions free?  If not, will the people who make
 suggestions be paid for improving the quality of the course? :)

 -- Raju

The question was bang on target. ;-)

People whose suggested topic(s) are included in the workshop will be invited 
to attend the workshop for free. Some of the early registrants from iLUG-D 
will also be registered for free. Rest of the participants will be charged a 
nominal fee. And people like me are not invited at all, cuz I don't even 
understand the basics of an RDBMS. The workshop is only targeted to the 
techies. :-(

Best,
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Re: [ilugd] [COMMERCIAL] MySQL session at OSIW; let's design the programme together

2008-01-09 Thread Dhiraj Gaur
I would be intrested for sure

On Jan 9, 2008 1:30 PM, Atanu Datta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Wednesday 09 Jan 2008 1:11:27 pm Raj Mathur wrote:
  On Wednesday 09 Jan 2008, Atanu Datta wrote:
   Hi all!
  
   MySQL will conduct a session in Bangalore and Delhi during the OSIW
   (Open Source India Week) where they want feedback on the topics the
   attendees will be interested in knowing more about. Following are a
   few topics that came forth when we were cooking the programme with
   MySQL's David Axmark and Brian Aker.
  
   1. Zero hassles transition from MS Access/Oracle to MySQL
   2. How to do Stored Procedures, Triggers  Views in MySQL
   3. How to write storage engines for MySQL
  
   Those are some of the things that our DBA wants to know more about.
   Obviously, there should be many more topics that you all want covered
   or wanna discuss. Please throw your ideas, we'll put all of 'em in
   the melting pot, and hand it over to the Brian so that he can design
   the final programme.
 
  Is participation in the sessions free?  If not, will the people who make
  suggestions be paid for improving the quality of the course? :)
 
  -- Raju

 The question was bang on target. ;-)

 People whose suggested topic(s) are included in the workshop will be
 invited
 to attend the workshop for free. Some of the early registrants from iLUG-D
 will also be registered for free. Rest of the participants will be charged
 a
 nominal fee. And people like me are not invited at all, cuz I don't even
 understand the basics of an RDBMS. The workshop is only targeted to the
 techies. :-(

 Best,
 Atanu



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Re: [ilugd] Please unsubscribe me from the mailing list

2008-01-09 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves

On 09-Jan-08, at 2:52 PM, Arjun Ghosh wrote:

 Please unsubscribe me from the mailing list

this is a self service list - you have to unsubscribe yourself


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Re: [ilugd] vivekagrawal83 wants to keep up with you on Twitter

2008-01-09 Thread pj
Priya Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
 Hey Raj  others...
 
 Right now I need to go for a meeting, but I will answer each point if and
 when I get the chance... meanwhile, here's a rejoinder from me...

[snip amazing and disjointed rant, tying in Modi, communism, religion in one
breath with ILUG-D]

Is this a troll?

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Re: [ilugd] [COMMERCIAL] MySQL session at OSIW; let's design the programme together

2008-01-09 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves

On 09-Jan-08, at 1:30 PM, Atanu Datta wrote:

 nominal fee. And people like me are not invited at all, cuz I don't  
 even
 understand the basics of an RDBMS.

you dont need to understand the basics of an RDBMS to use mysql - in  
fact it is better if you dont understand the basics or you may get  
confused wondering why you attended


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Re: [ilugd] Please unsubscribe me from the mailing list

2008-01-09 Thread Pawan Sood
On 1/9/08, Arjun Ghosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,
 Please unsubscribe me from the mailing list
 Thanks and regards
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Re: [ilugd] [COMMERCIAL] MySQL session at OSIW; let's design the programme together

2008-01-09 Thread Raj Shekhar
in infinite wisdom Kenneth Gonsalves spoke thus  On 01/09/2008 05:41 PM:

 in  
 fact it is better if you dont understand the basics or you may get  
 confused wondering why you attended

mysql is a rdbms.  If you are talking about ACID compliance, innodb  
falcon table engines are ACID complaint.

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Re: [ilugd] [COMMERCIAL] MySQL session at OSIW; let's design the programme together

2008-01-09 Thread Atanu Datta
On Wednesday 09 Jan 2008 1:11:27 pm Raj Mathur wrote:
 On Wednesday 09 Jan 2008, Atanu Datta wrote:
  Hi all!
 
  MySQL will conduct a session in Bangalore and Delhi during the OSIW
  (Open Source India Week) where they want feedback on the topics the
  attendees will be interested in knowing more about. Following are a
  few topics that came forth when we were cooking the programme with
  MySQL's David Axmark and Brian Aker.
 
  1. Zero hassles transition from MS Access/Oracle to MySQL
  2. How to do Stored Procedures, Triggers  Views in MySQL
  3. How to write storage engines for MySQL
 
  Those are some of the things that our DBA wants to know more about.
  Obviously, there should be many more topics that you all want covered
  or wanna discuss. Please throw your ideas, we'll put all of 'em in
  the melting pot, and hand it over to the Brian so that he can design
  the final programme.

 Is participation in the sessions free?  If not, will the people who make
 suggestions be paid for improving the quality of the course? :)

 -- Raju

The question was bang on target. ;-)

People whose suggested topic(s) are included in the workshop will be invited 
to attend the workshop for free. Some of the early registrants from iLUG-D 
will also be registered for free. Rest of the participants will be charged a 
nominal fee. And people like me are not invited at all, cuz I don't even 
understand the basics of an RDBMS. The workshop is only targeted to the 
techies. :-(

Best,
Atanu




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Re: [ilugd] Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!

2008-01-09 Thread Karanbir Singh
Jasbir Khehra wrote:
 The Alternate and Server Install cd use the debian installer. And
 these are also official builds from Ubuntu. Yup the 'livecd' doesnt
 have a GUI lvm/md installer.

you might want to keep in mind that most people these days have given up 
on text based installs in business / enterprise setups. I am quite sure 
most home users dont want to have the hangup of going through a text 
installer either. Besides, you are mistaken - there is no integrated 
lvm/raid on d-i either. if there is one, point it out to me.

 Google comes up with these hints :
 http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=enq=ubuntu+install+lvm

 If thats the process you need to follow, perhaps in 1994 or in 1996 it
 would have been acceptable. however, things have sort of moved on these
 days.
 I presume you mean 2004/2006, frankly would like to know more where
 things have moved on these days.

Integrated install setup and even things like install to remote storage 
are features that most people *need* these days, not the sort of things 
that are nice. And these sort of things have been available for a long 
time at various places, I know that Redhat-7.3 had proper raid setup at 
installtime - and this is what ? 1999 - 2000.

Ever tried installing ubuntu to an iscsi target running over infiband ? 
give it a shot sometime. Let me know how many days it takes you get the 
code integrated into an automated install process.


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Re: [ilugd] Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!

2008-01-09 Thread Karanbir Singh
Anoop John wrote:
 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3962140postcount=11
 Also check this other link i got from google search on ubuntu
 software raid during installation
 http://knowledge76.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Server_Install_With_Software_RAID
 I am not sure about Raid-6 though

Not quite the same thing as clicking on two buttons and moving on huh :D
ref: http://www.go2linux.org/pics/centos-base/Screenshot-6.png

And CentOS isnt even a bleeding edge distro!

w.r.t your urls, neither of those two even talk about lvm :D Anyway, i 
think we've had a point made. Time to move on.


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[ilugd] niyam.blip.tv

2008-01-09 Thread Linux Lingam
dear all,

01. transferred this footage from my miniDV camcoder over a firewire
card straight into kino running on ubuntu feisty.
a few years ago configuring firewire was a real pain under gnulinux.
now it's transparant. have card, will travel.

kino is a gpl video-edit software.
http://kinodv.org


02. video trimmed directly in kino, which is sensible enough to
understand segments from the tape automatically.

03. created the simple title and credits using kino's built-in titler
effects filter.
for subsequent video-submissions, have figured out how to author more
sophisticated titling sequences.

03a. transition effects such as fade in and out rendered through kino.

04. downloaded and installed ffmpeg2theora.

05. joined three segments into one in kino. one-click stuff.

06. exported ogg theora file, from the 720 x 560, to 640x480, directly.
the original raw dv is 540mb. the final ogg file a mere 23mb.


07. created an account on blip.tv after recoiling away from youtube's
draconian terms--and-conditions.

http://niyam.blip.tv


08. blip.tv automatically transcodes ogg theora to flv, and also
allows me to offer the option of the original source ogg theora to
visitors. cool!

08a. extracted a still image from kino to use as the thumbnail for the
video gallery.

09. blip.tv allows choices of creative commons licenses to be applied
to the video.

10. automatically links it to my flickr account, and once i start a
blog, to it as well. also allows other rather interesting features,
such as link to myspace, etc.

11. optionally, also adds to archive.org if i have an account there.

12. rss feeds to miro, even itunes, available.

13. direct upload from mobile phones to blip.tv possible.

14. option to allow your videos to be suitable for mobile viewers as
well. all the way till HDTV.  w o w !
in fact, blip.tv encourages you to publish at broadcast quality while
using high-compression.

15. lots more to this stuff. am specifically excited and fascinated by
the paradigms and workflows available under a 100% foss value-system
and while using gnulinux.

suddenly, video is just becoming the coolest thing to do under foss.
discovered kino outputs flash format files directly too. thse are
*.flv, and also *.swf with some xhtml wrappers.


interestingly, blip.tv asked for a java runtime edition (JRE) to be
installed under firefox for me to view the video.
was hesitant to do this due to the problems i faced last month with my system.
however, braved it and installed the JRE. fortunately, everything
worked flawlessly.

next step, take the videos that prof andrew handed me of freed.in sep
2007 and pull out some segments.
those interested to pitch in, we could meet next week and collaborate
on doing this.

recommend we create a separate group id for this on blip.tv,
either ilug-d, linux-delhi, or freed.in.
let the discussions begin.


regards
niyam

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[ilugd] Possible Package

2008-01-09 Thread Mani A
There is this interesting OSS SAGE
(http://sage.math.washington.edu/sage/)... and a recent release.

Users need to learn Python to use it as opposed to a Scheme/Lisp like
language. Mathematical expression is closer to a functional
programming like Scheme/Lisp and lots of people will benefit if a
version of SAGE that uses R or a LISP instead of python. It should
accommodate  HOL and ISABELLE as well.

That is something for development.

Best

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Re: [ilugd] [COMMERCIAL] MySQL session at OSIW; let's design the programme together

2008-01-09 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves

On 09-Jan-08, at 10:24 PM, Raj Shekhar wrote:

 in
 fact it is better if you dont understand the basics or you may get
 confused wondering why you attended

 mysql is a rdbms.

good to hear - when did it become an rdbms?

 If you are talking about ACID compliance, innodb 
 falcon table engines are ACID complaint.

an the rest of it is not?


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Re: [ilugd] vivekagrawal83 wants to keep up with you on Twitter

2008-01-09 Thread Sriram J

 [snip amazing and disjointed rant, tying in Modi, communism, religion in
 one
 breath with ILUG-D]

 Is this a troll?

 PJ

Yes it is .
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[ilugd] Fwd: KDE 4.0 Release Event @ India

2008-01-09 Thread Pradeepto Bhattacharya
-- Forwarded message --
From: Pradeepto Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Jan 9, 2008 9:42 AM
Subject: KDE 4.0 Release Event @ India
To: KDE-India List [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Hi,

We all have been hearing about KDE4 since a long time now.
Time has come now. KDE 4.0.0 will be release 11th and there will be a
release event held in many parts of the globe. The main event [1] will
be held at GOOGPLEX between 17-19th January. But not all can go there
for various reasons. So many smaller events will happen in various
parts of the world [2].

Some of us are planning to do one such event in Mumbai. We
have narrowed down on 20th January, Sunday, easier for most people
here in Mumbai and we get to avoid the traffic. If you have any plans
to do such an event in your town/city you live in, please go ahead and
do it. If you are in Mumbai, stay tuned.

 [1]http://www.kde.org/kde-4.0-release-event/
 [2]http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Events/KDE4ReleaseParties

Cheers!

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[ilugd] Linux webcam

2008-01-09 Thread Raj Mathur
Bought a webcam yesterday, thought I'd share the experience...

I'd given a long list of supported webcam models to my friendly 
neighbourhood hardware pusher, Amit Kalra.  Unfortunately the webcams 
that seem to work well with Linux (at least according to Google) seem 
to be pretty high priced -- Rs 4000+.  So Amit suggested that I try out 
the 2 el cheapo webcams has he had lying around in his office, and 
promptly turned up with them.

One was a Quantum QHM500LM, which reportedly supports up to 4 megapixels 
with their proprietary drivers.  The other was an HP VGA webcam for 
notebooks.

Tried the Quantum webcam first with the gspca drivers.  The cam got 
identified, and device /dev/video1 (video0 is my TV tuner card) 
created.  Unfortunately all apps I tried just gave me a black screen on 
capture.  Switch to the HP cam.  That was even worse -- I couldn't find 
drivers for it at all.

Back to Quantum.  Being in a fix, I decided to do some RD.  Fiddling 
about with the Quantum cam, I noticed a small black rubber cap on the 
lens.  With the intuition and logical powers of a Sherlock Holmes, I 
deduced that this could have been the cause of the black picture.  To 
those of you who have closely studied and applied my methods the next 
step may be obvious, but let me state it for the record:

You webcam will NOT allow you to view anything until you remove the lens 
cap.

Woah!  Remove the cap and I actually see some sort of picture in the 
XawTV screen!  Of course, it looks like some sort of ghostly figure 
right out of a badly-made Ramsay Brothers movie, but WTH, at least it 
works.  Now to fixing the problem.

The kernel gspca module has about 20 parameters that control its 
behaviour.  I tried each of them in turn, varying the values to 
extremes and back to means.  Unfortunately nothing worked -- the 
picture only got messier.  Since I wasn't in the mood for trying out 
all possible combinations of options (at least 20 factorial), I put on 
my thinking hat and decided, if the first problem (black screen) was 
physical, why not this one too?

Ah, the lens of the camera screws in and out.  Oh my $deity, if you 
screw the lens in, you actually get a clear picture too!  Now I can see 
myself clearly in the XawTV window... I immediately got down to the 
most important use of a webcam, setting my hair ;)

Picture quality is adequate.  I get 640x480 with the kernel gspca 
drivers, which is quite enough for my needs (now I have to figure out a 
use for the cam), and the cam does some automatic adjustment of 
exposure depending on what sort of light you are in.  Haven't tried any 
advanced applications (streaming, etc.) with it yet, will report 
if/when that works.

The command I use for viewing:

xawtv -n -noxv -device /dev/video1

(or video0 if this is the first capture device).  You can also test the 
cam in mplayer and ekiga.  Haven't actually tried a video conference 
yet, I probably need mode bandwidth for that.

To summarise:

Camera model:   Quantum QHM500LM
Driver: Linux gspca (available as a package in the Debian 
repository)
USB:Bus 001 Device 008: ID 0ac8:303b Z-Star 
Microelectronics Corp. 
ZC0303 WebCam
Kernel messages:
/home/user/linux-modules-extra-2.6/debian/build/build_i386_none_686_gspca/gspca_core.c:
 
USB GSPCA camera found.(ZC3XX)
/home/user/linux-modules-extra-2.6/debian/build/build_i386_none_686_gspca/gspca_core.c:
 
[spca5xx_probe:4098] Camera type JPEG
/home/user/linux-modules-extra-2.6/debian/build/build_i386_none_686_gspca/Vimicro/zc3xx.h:
 
[zc3xx_config:515] Sensor ID:11
/home/user/linux-modules-extra-2.6/debian/build/build_i386_none_686_gspca/Vimicro/zc3xx.h:
 
[zc3xx_config:607] Find Sensor MI0360
/home/user/linux-modules-extra-2.6/debian/build/build_i386_none_686_gspca/gspca_core.c:
 
[spca5xx_getcapability:1215] maxw 640 maxh 480 minw 176 minh 144
Cost:   Rs 650
Ease of use:Easy (once you install the driver package and take the 
lens cap off :)
Issues: Video is a bit slow, and lags a bit.
Recommended:So far, yes.

BTW, note that all webcams reporting USB ID 0ac8:303b aren't the same.  
Some will work, some may not, so be sure to test your cam before you 
buy for use with Linux.

Feel free to mail any questions you may have to the list.

Regards,

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Re: [ilugd] [COMMERCIAL] MySQL session at OSIW; let's design the programme together

2008-01-09 Thread Raj Shekhar
in infinite wisdom Kenneth Gonsalves spoke thus  On 01/10/2008 06:01 AM:


troll bait- ignored

 
 If you are talking about ACID compliance, innodb 
 falcon table engines are ACID complaint.
 
 an the rest of it is not?

Quite a few of the mysql engines are not ACID - MyISAM being most 
notable of them.  Unluckily, myisam comes as the default table engine 
with almost all mysql distributions that I have seen. Since mysql 
supports table engines as plugins, there are some commercial as well as 
free ACID compliant table engines other than innodb and falcon.

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Re: [ilugd] Linux webcam

2008-01-09 Thread Vikas Rawal

 Cost: Rs 650


Just for the record, last week I bought it from Nehru Place for
Rs. 475. 

It works pretty much straight out of the box. Works fine with
skype. With Ekiga, there was some lag in the video but I have not
tested it much.

In fact the driver CD provided with the camera has a penguin printed
on it and mentioned that linux is supported. I did not see what is
inside that CD because the camera seemed to work fine without it.

Vikas



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Re: [ilugd] Linux webcam

2008-01-09 Thread Raj Mathur
On Thursday 10 Jan 2008, Vikas Rawal wrote:
  Cost:   Rs 650

 Just for the record, last week I bought it from Nehru Place for
 Rs. 475.

OK, if I'd bought it from anyone except Amit I'd be screaming at him 
now.  However I haven't had to spend a single paisa maintaining my 
system for the past 3 years thanks to him, so I don't grudge him the 
extra cash :)

 It works pretty much straight out of the box. Works fine with
 skype. With Ekiga, there was some lag in the video but I have not
 tested it much.

 In fact the driver CD provided with the camera has a penguin printed
 on it and mentioned that linux is supported. I did not see what is
 inside that CD because the camera seemed to work fine without it.

Hmm, I haven't even looked at the CD yet :)  No Skype here, will test 
out Ekiga when someone offers a video chat.

Regards,

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[ilugd] postfix with courier-imap or dovecot

2008-01-09 Thread rajnish kumar
I have decided to  configured postfix with dovecot or courier-imap, but a little
confusion about both imap servers I've heard of both and I already tested and
installed both, but I'm not sure which one is better, since both just
seem to work
and I can't see a difference, except from the point how it's set up
and configured. Where
are the drawbacks of each one, where are the benefits? . As i read
about courier-imap
has limitations in I/O and NETWORK might be some one has tested. I'm not that
into detail of both projects, may be you can explain a bit.
Thanks in advance for every answer!

with regds
rajnish gupta

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[ilugd] Revised invitation for participation in Freed.in 2008

2008-01-09 Thread Gora Mohanty
Hi,
  Taking note of the points raised by various people,
we have simplified the invitation to participate in
Freed.in 2008. The revised document is at
http://wiki.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/twiki/Freed2008/ParticipationInvite
As always, comments, and constructive criticism are
appreciated, but please follow up on the freed mailing
list, and not the ilugd one.

Regards,
Gora


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Re: [ilugd] Please unsubscribe me from the mailing list

2008-01-09 Thread rajnish kumar
On Jan 9, 2008 8:52 PM, Pawan Sood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 1/9/08, Arjun Ghosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi,
  Please unsubscribe me from the mailing list
  Thanks and regards
  Arjun
 

 Arjun,

 To unsubscribe, please send a blank email to following address:-
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 and write unsubscribe in the subject line.

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I think when you have register your self in ilugd you also has the
info about how unsubscribe form mailing list but still you have posted
this mails in ilug is any other reason you want to show in ilugd or
you want to say something us.

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Re: [ilugd] vivekagrawal83 wants to keep up with you on Twitter

2008-01-09 Thread Puneet Lakhina
On Jan 9, 2008 2:07 PM, Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 can anyone set up (fund?) a group sms subscriber service as well,
 which sends one sms tip a day or something?
I could try sending SMS tips from say an RSS feed if there is some
interest. But it would be difficult to keep the sending SMS part free
for long.


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Re: [ilugd] Please unsubscribe me from the mailing list

2008-01-09 Thread Sandip Bhattacharya
rajnish kumar wrote:
 I think when you have register your self in ilugd you also has the
 info about how unsubscribe form mailing list but still you have posted
 this mails in ilug is any other reason you want to show in ilugd or
 you want to say something us.

I understand where you are coming from. I understand the irritation that
Raj mentioned people would have when they get irrelevant emails.

But is it only me here who thinks I cant tolerate when some people  from
time to time doesn't match up to the high standards of mailing list
behavior expected by this list? We are an user support group targeting
the common man/woman after all.

Also, take a look at a mailman listinfo page -
http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd

Can you at a first glance make out the unsubscribing path? Think about
people who are not familiar with mailing lists in the first place.


- Sandip


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