[ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame ?
Can a internal website become part of Hall of Shame - web list ? In IIT Delhi , the internal registration website is only accessible via IE and not Firefox. We have made good enough voice for this but still no progress. Can we include the internal registration website 10.80.23.78 in the same ? Thanks -- Best Regards -- Narendra Sisodiya MTech, IIT Delhi mob : 98931-19531 skype : narendra_sisodiya webpage : http://narendra.sisodiya.googlepages.com/aboutme [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.lug-iitd.org - Jai Hind -- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 10:54 PM, Manish wrote: On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Raj Mathur wrote: On Tuesday 13 May 2008, Manish wrote: I am going to remove their name from the Hall of Shame. Hmm, instead of removing it, why not make a section that prominently displays the names of organisations who have listened to the community and made their sites FOSS-friendly? That might encourage more organisations to follow suit: ``See? If IDBI and ICICI can do it, so can you!''. You might also consider adding a short history of the correspondence you had with them, which can be used by people trying to get other sites to be more open. And once again, nice work! Excellent idea! Will do it as soon as I find sufficient free time to summarize. Finally done! Made an entry to Successes section and full story here: http://wiki.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/HowIDBIWasWonBack -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Manish wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Manish wrote: I have been following up with IDBI bank on the same issue for past few weeks (they move slower than frozen molasses going uphill). They were told about Hall of Shame and their entry there. I am getting nowhere with them and am considering moving to AXIS bank. Here's the latest correspondance. An encouraging update from IDBI on the above issue: We wish to inform you that the necessary rectification is under process and you can log in to your Internet Banking account using Linux and Firfox within 10 days. Kindly bear with us. A small win. I am glad to inform that IDBI have finally come through on their promise. Login tested successfully from Firefox 2 on Windows and Firefox 3 on Ubuntu. :) I am going to remove their name from the Hall of Shame. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
On Tuesday 13 May 2008, Manish wrote: [snip] A small win. I am glad to inform that IDBI have finally come through on their promise. Login tested successfully from Firefox 2 on Windows and Firefox 3 on Ubuntu. :) Congratulations! This would be a success story in itself :) I am going to remove their name from the Hall of Shame. Hmm, instead of removing it, why not make a section that prominently displays the names of organisations who have listened to the community and made their sites FOSS-friendly? That might encourage more organisations to follow suit: ``See? If IDBI and ICICI can do it, so can you!''. You might also consider adding a short history of the correspondence you had with them, which can be used by people trying to get other sites to be more open. And once again, nice work! Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Raj Mathur wrote: On Tuesday 13 May 2008, Manish wrote: [snip] A small win. I am glad to inform that IDBI have finally come through on their promise. Login tested successfully from Firefox 2 on Windows and Firefox 3 on Ubuntu. :) Congratulations! This would be a success story in itself :) Thank you. Will also try to have them change the notice on the page that declares that it works best with IE. Let's see how that goes. I am going to remove their name from the Hall of Shame. Hmm, instead of removing it, why not make a section that prominently displays the names of organisations who have listened to the community and made their sites FOSS-friendly? That might encourage more organisations to follow suit: ``See? If IDBI and ICICI can do it, so can you!''. You might also consider adding a short history of the correspondence you had with them, which can be used by people trying to get other sites to be more open. And once again, nice work! Excellent idea! Will do it as soon as I find sufficient free time to summarize. I also owe IDBI helpdesk and management a thank you note to let them know that their efforts and understanding is appreciated (may be also a small 2 cm ad in a newspaper.. how much will it cost anyway, right?) -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
From: Ravi Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keep hinting your pressure, and they will come out from cover to talk,.. Hi, This appears to be the final nail in the ABN-Amro coffin:- We thank you for sharing your feedback withus. However we wish to inform you that currently Net Banking can be bestaccessed in Windows, Windows 95 (or a later version) or windows NTA browser(preferably Microsoft internet explorer Version 5 or a later version) On another note, there seems to be no easy way of accessing the Hall of Shame. I forgot how I got there the first time, and now I can't seem to get back!! This link returned by google is broken -- http://lug-delhi.org/wiki/HallOfShame/ This link on Wikipedia seems broken -- http://www.lug-delhi.org/wiki/HallOfShame/Websites With Warm Regards, Shivkumar linux user no: 450769 blog: outbackwifi.blogspot.com profile: www.linkedin.com/in/shivjags Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Go to http://in.promos.yahoo..com/groups/bestofyahoo/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
On Saturday 03 May 2008, Shiv wrote: From: Ravi Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keep hinting your pressure, and they will come out from cover to talk,.. Hi, This appears to be the final nail in the ABN-Amro coffin:- We thank you for sharing your feedback withus. However we wish to inform you that currently Net Banking can be bestaccessed in Windows, Windows 95 (or a later version) or windows NTA browser(preferably Microsoft internet explorer Version 5 or a later version) On another note, there seems to be no easy way of accessing the Hall of Shame. I forgot how I got there the first time, and now I can't seem to get back!! This link returned by google is broken -- http://lug-delhi.org/wiki/HallOfShame/ This link on Wikipedia seems broken -- http://www.lug-delhi.org/wiki/HallOfShame/Websites http://wiki.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/HallOfShame is the location. Please make an entry for ABN Amro there. You may want to put the relevant excerpts from their letter there too, just to drive the point home, you know? :) Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Anand Shankar wrote: I believe most of these banks/institutions would be outsourcing this work. Could we suggest certain clauses in RFPs which can take care of this situation? Should we suggest a community standardised Acceptance Testing Framework so as to resolve this issue more decently? At least then we can ask these organisations to adhere to this framework. Very sensible. +1 If it can right amount of technical details wrapped in right kind of legalese then most outsourcers should be able to plug it in their RFPs quite easily. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
2008/4/29 Yashpal Nagar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: An encouraging update from IDBI on the above issue: We wish to inform you that the necessary rectification is under process and you can log in to your Internet Banking account using Linux and Firfox within 10 days. Kindly bear with us. Sometimes showing the stick has better results than using it. -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Manish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Manish wrote: I have been following up with IDBI bank on the same issue for past few weeks (they move slower than frozen molasses going uphill). They were told about Hall of Shame and their entry there. I am getting nowhere with them and am considering moving to AXIS bank. Here's the latest correspondance. An encouraging update from IDBI on the above issue: We wish to inform you that the necessary rectification is under process and you can log in to your Internet Banking account using Linux and Firfox within 10 days. Kindly bear with us. :) Goes to show good intentions on the part of the bank, they actually want to retain customers and are open to feedback. Assuming this is the case with most organisations, I wish more Linux users would complain when things don't work with free software. Complaining really does work! gyan Reminds me of my college days when instead of using Matlab, I made it a point to do all my assignments in Octave and explicitly print *Generated using Octave* on every single graph I submitted. I'm not sure if I brought about a big change but atleast I had fun explaining what Octave is to people :) Passive Resistance is the key to all problems. It is not possible to bring about change by compromising (using Wine/ie4Linux/Dual-booting etc.). Make the effort on behalf of all Linux users and keep fighting the good fight. /gyan :) -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
--- Anupam Jain wrote: On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Manish wrote: An encouraging update from IDBI on the above issue: We wish to inform you that the necessary rectification is under process and you can log in to your Internet Banking account using Linux and Firfox within 10 days. Kindly bear with us. Hope, they'll slowly learn to spell Firefox correctly (note the typo: Firfox). Actually, they need not make changes for a browser, but, for ensuring that their websites and web-apps adhere to web standards. gyan Reminds me of my college days when instead of using Matlab, I made it a point to do all my assignments in Octave and explicitly print *Generated using Octave* on every single graph I submitted. I'm not sure if I brought about a big change but atleast I had fun explaining what Octave is to people :) Much Appreciated! I'm curious to know if it was on Windows or under some Linux distro. [snip]... /gyan -- http://www.gnu.org.in http://www.somaiya.edu/sksasc Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. To know how, go to http://help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Roshan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Anupam Jain wrote: On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Manish wrote: An encouraging update from IDBI on the above issue: We wish to inform you that the necessary rectification is under process and you can log in to your Internet Banking account using Linux and Firfox within 10 days. Kindly bear with us. Hope, they'll slowly learn to spell Firefox correctly (note the typo: Firfox). Actually, they need not make changes for a browser, but, for ensuring that their websites and web-apps adhere to web standards. I read this a lot, should adhere to web standards. What are and where are these standards?The simplest case, take the XMLHttpRquest object in javascript. There isnt a standard way of obtaining it. Layout related things have issues between open source browsers itself. Ofcourse there are toolkits such as dojo which make it easier for you, but they are also just acknowledging the lack of standards in the web browser world, and doing the hardpart for you. Hence as of now, all websites have to understand what browsers theyl support. gyan Reminds me of my college days when instead of using Matlab, I made it a point to do all my assignments in Octave and explicitly print *Generated using Octave* on every single graph I submitted. I'm not sure if I brought about a big change but atleast I had fun explaining what Octave is to people :) Much Appreciated! I'm curious to know if it was on Windows or under some Linux distro. [snip]... /gyan -- http://www.gnu.org.in http://www.somaiya.edu/sksasc Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. To know how, go to http://help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- Puneet http://sahyog.blogspot.com/ Latest Post: javac -g ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 7:42 AM, Sudev Barar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/4/29 Yashpal Nagar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: An encouraging update from IDBI on the above issue: We wish to inform you that the necessary rectification is under process and you can log in to your Internet Banking account using Linux and Firfox within 10 days. Kindly bear with us. Sometimes showing the stick has better results than using it. I guess. Let's wait and watch for 10 days. :) -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 8:14 AM, Anupam Jain wrote: On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Manish wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Manish wrote: I have been following up with IDBI bank on the same issue for past few weeks (they move slower than frozen molasses going uphill). They were told about Hall of Shame and their entry there. I am getting nowhere with them and am considering moving to AXIS bank. Here's the latest correspondance. An encouraging update from IDBI on the above issue: We wish to inform you that the necessary rectification is under process and you can log in to your Internet Banking account using Linux and Firfox within 10 days. Kindly bear with us. :) Goes to show good intentions on the part of the bank, they actually want to retain customers and are open to feedback. Assuming this is the case with most organisations, I wish more Linux users would complain when things don't work with free software. Complaining really does work! Possibly. But they sent this response only after I had had enough (approx. 3 months) and my language and tone showed that I was at the end of the line and told them that I will kill my account within next week. gyan Reminds me of my college days when instead of using Matlab, I made it a point to do all my assignments in Octave and explicitly print *Generated using Octave* on every single graph I submitted. I'm not sure if I brought about a big change but atleast I had fun explaining what Octave is to people :) :) I am making lots of official reports using PDFLatex now, not (just) because it's cool but also because MS Word was sucking life out of me. Emacs and LaTeX have really made it lots of things easy for me. Passive Resistance is the key to all problems. It is not possible to bring about change by compromising (using Wine/ie4Linux/Dual-booting etc.). Make the effort on behalf of all Linux users and keep fighting the good fight. /gyan :) Absolutely. I have started discussions/debate with Lenovo starting this afternoon to see if I can reclaim M$ tax (Vista Business). I am not against their installing the OS but not giving me a choice to buy the computer with an alternate or no OS. It's not for them to decide what software I am going to run on my computer. I'm writing this email from the same laptop using Ubuntu 8.04. Let's see how it goes. I hope I have enough patience. -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
On 4/25/08, Shiv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ABN Amro story gets more interesting. Here is a transcript: Here is what they responded: Dear Customer, This is with reference to your email dated April 23, 2008. At the outset we would like to thank you for the time taken and effort made by you in sharing your concerns with us. We wish to inform you that we have forwarded your concern to our customer service manager in Delhi, who shall be glad to discuss the same with you, post evaluating the same. Please quote reference number R283200804244076 in case any further clarification / assistance is required regarding this query. This is an autogenerated mail response sent to you. So whenever you send the mails there, it completely depends how they did implemented the system. Keep hinting your pressure, and they will come out from cover to talk,.. Good Work -- -=Ravi=- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
After going through the thread, I have an observation: Do some of us realise that these institutions may not be delivering what we expect, not because that they do not want to do it, but because, perhaps that they have no clue how to do it. It has some thing to do with the developer / manager education and training. What does the average programmer in most shops use to develop these sites - do they hard code or they use some toolkit? Suppose some one uses a toolkit which is popular on Windows - he has been doing it and thats the only thing he knows, he will produce what we call Hall of shame sites. His manager is not bothered either, as he needs to get the job done at the earliest. The manager uses the easiest and cheapest resource available to him. His problems start when the FOSS community start bombarding that the site does not work. His programmer simply puts a blank face: I do'nt know what these guys want / how to do so as to make it run on Firefox/ Opera. Other programmers are still plain lazy - why should I do it: In any case 90%+ visitors to my site don't have a problem, and in the balance only less than 0.1% may ever register a complaint. So the situations just keeps sailing. Most managers in such situations also have an ignore attitude, bcoz it doesnt affect their targets / KPAs. Do we have pointers to resources for such guys: Both programmers and managers to be able to do it in toolkit of their choice? anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Ashish Shukla आशीष शुक्ल
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Puneet I read this a lot, should adhere to web standards. What are
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Puneet these standards?
W3C[1] does web standards.
Puneet The simplest case, take the XMLHttpRquest object in
Puneet javascript. There isnt a standard way of obtaining
Puneet it.
W3C has a working draft on XMLHttpRequest[2].
[1] - http://www.w3.org/
[2] - http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-XMLHttpRequest-20070618/
HTH
The thing in browser world is, the innovation comes from the browser
companies which is then replicated in other browsers in different ways.
Hence a lot of code gets written(habits get built), before the standard
document comes around. So the average web developer always has to write
something like this for completeness.
if(firefox) {
//do firefoxy way
}else if(IE6) {
//do IE6 way
}
..and so on
You can say M$ flouts standards but it does do good stuff also like the
XMLHttpRequest object itself. Moreover even if IE isnt standards compliant,
it is the browser of 90% of your visitors. So ignoring it for standards isnt
an option any web dev has.
These references are good, but as long as the compliance isnt consistent, ul
see code like above, and a hall of shame.
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Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
On 01-May-08, at 12:00 AM, Anand Shankar wrote: Do some of us realise that these institutions may not be delivering what we expect, not because that they do not want to do it, but because, perhaps that they have no clue how to do it. it is quite simple: for css, js and html, IE follows a different 'standard' from the accepted standards. All M$ tools are designed to follow this standard, and hence, by default products of these tools may not be compatible with other browsers. So it is not evil on the part of the managers and 'programmers' - sheer ignorance. The problem is that it is not easy to make something compatible with both IE and other browsers. It is expensive - so unless the expense is worth it, they will not do it. Note that it is easier to write a standards compliant page and then tweak for IE than to the reverse. And it requires a good knowledge of css, js and html - which eliminates 95% of all web programmers. A long, uphill task. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So it is not evil on the part of the managers and 'programmers' - sheer ignorance. The problem is that it is not easy to make something compatible with both IE and other browsers. It is expensive - so unless the expense is worth it, they will not do it. Note that it is easier to write a standards compliant page and then tweak for IE than to the reverse. And it requires a good knowledge of css, js and html - which eliminates 95% of all web programmers. A long, uphill task. So, is an activist Hall of Shame on So it is not evil on the part of the managers and 'programmers' - sheer ignorance. an answer? I believe most of these banks/institutions would be outsourcing this work. Could we suggest certain clauses in RFPs which can take care of this situation? Should we suggest a community standardised Acceptance Testing Framework so as to resolve this issue more decently? At least then we can ask these organisations to adhere to this framework. anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
On 01-May-08, at 10:02 AM, Anand Shankar wrote: So, is an activist Hall of Shame on So it is not evil on the part of the managers and 'programmers' - sheer ignorance. an answer? unless you believe that the boards of directors of banks are issuing specific instructions only to support IE I believe most of these banks/institutions would be outsourcing this work. Could we suggest certain clauses in RFPs which can take care of this situation? Should we suggest a community standardised Acceptance Testing Framework so as to resolve this issue more decently? At least then we can ask these organisations to adhere to this framework. this is the best suggestion I have ever seen on the subject - if you could set the ball rolling with a framework for this we could start a wiki page on the subject -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
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On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Manish wrote: I have been following up with IDBI bank on the same issue for past few weeks (they move slower than frozen molasses going uphill). They were told about Hall of Shame and their entry there. I am getting nowhere with them and am considering moving to AXIS bank. Here's the latest correspondance. An encouraging update from IDBI on the above issue: We wish to inform you that the necessary rectification is under process and you can log in to your Internet Banking account using Linux and Firfox within 10 days. Kindly bear with us. :) -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
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On 29-Apr-08, at 4:38 PM, Manish wrote: I have been following up with IDBI bank on the same issue for past few weeks (they move slower than frozen molasses going uphill). They were told about Hall of Shame and their entry there. I am getting nowhere with them and am considering moving to AXIS bank. Here's the latest correspondance. An encouraging update from IDBI on the above issue: We wish to inform you that the necessary rectification is under process and you can log in to your Internet Banking account using Linux and Firfox within 10 days. Kindly bear with us. w00t- keep the pressure on -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
Manish wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Manish wrote: I have been following up with IDBI bank on the same issue for past few weeks (they move slower than frozen molasses going uphill). They were told about Hall of Shame and their entry there. I am getting nowhere with them and am considering moving to AXIS bank. Here's the latest correspondance. An encouraging update from IDBI on the above issue: We wish to inform you that the necessary rectification is under process and you can log in to your Internet Banking account using Linux and Firfox within 10 days. Kindly bear with us. Nice to see some effect; ICICI, HSBC found works well no problem :) Regards Yash ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 06:05:29 +0530 From: Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame? To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On 24-Apr-08, at 8:23 PM, Anil Seth wrote: Incidentally, I had an unfortunate irritant with HDFC as well - for credit card security code. But they were much more sympathetic though I had to use Opera with Mask as IE option to actually register the security code. all HDFC stuff works for me with firefox without any tweaking. Things keep crashing, but that is because the coding is crappy -nothing to do with firefox. For example, I was booking a bus ticket which sent me to the HDFC portal. Entered everything and clicked 'pay', then clicked confirm, then I get a form asking me to join verisign secure or something like that. There is a link saying that I can do this later and can proceed with my transaction. I click that and it says 'transaction cancelled' and times out. Second time round, i click register for the verisign thing. A form appears and i click on 'help'. A popup appears with the help message. I click 'close' on the popup and everything closes and I am returned to the bus company site. However, the transaction has gone through and I have my ticket. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/ Here is the problem: On HDFC's home page,under Login to your account, Selecting NetSafe/Verified by Visa/MasterCard SecureCode and choosing to Register, pops up a window warning that Cookies are Disabled. Clicking on 'Click here' works with Opera (masked as IE) however with Firefox 2 on Fedora 8, it gives the error: Only Internet Explorer with version 5.0 or above and Firefox with Version 1.5 or above are Supported. Once I have registered, I have been able to use my credit card with the SecureCode using Firefox on Fedora. Incidentally, SecureCode should make online use of Credit Card safer. Regards Anil ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
On 25-Apr-08, at 6:28 PM, Anil Seth wrote: Once I have registered, I have been able to use my credit card with the SecureCode using Firefox on Fedora. Incidentally, SecureCode should make online use of Credit Card safer. nothing is safe in HDFC. I applied to open an account there and received my first phishing mail with all my details - email address, full name etc, *before* my account was officially opened - they even knew the branch in which I had opened it. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
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The ABN Amro story gets more interesting. Here is a transcript: Here is what they responded: Dear Customer, This is with reference to your email dated April 23, 2008. At the outset we would like to thank you for the time taken and effort made by you in sharing your concerns with us. We wish to inform you that we have forwarded your concern to our customer service manager in Delhi, who shall be glad to discuss the same with you, post evaluating the same. Please quote reference number R283200804244076 in case any further clarification / assistance is required regarding this query. Here is what I had written in response to their email: Dear Sir/Madam, Thank you for your unsatisfactory response. I would like to inform you that I am submitting ABN Amro's website to the Linux Hall Of Shame as you have deliberately prevented a large population of Linux users from accessing your site. I would also request you to forward me the contact details of your Corporate Communications Head since I would like to forward the listing of ABN Amro on the Hall of Shame to that person. With Warm Regards, Shivkumar linux user no: 450769 blog: outbackwifi.blogspot.com profile: www.linkedin.com/in/shivjags Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:27:01 +0530 (IST) From: Shiv [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I was not able to access netbanking on ABN Amro Bank's website using Firefox on Ubuntu. When I wrote to them, this is the reply I got:- Dear Mr. Jagannath, I got the same stupid response. However, the site works if you give the following url(at least till now): https://netbanking.abnamro.co.in/BANKAWAY?Action.RetUser.Init.001=YAppSignonBankId=ABNAppType=corporate This has finally motivated me into closing this account - online if possible otherwise the next time I am in Delhi. Incidentally, I had an unfortunate irritant with HDFC as well - for credit card security code. But they were much more sympathetic though I had to use Opera with Mask as IE option to actually register the security code. Opera in Mask as IE has worked for several other banks but not for Bank of India and it did not work for the ABN AMRO's home page either. I am worried about the security practices of our financial institutions. I registered for online access to a mutual fund. They asked for a password, security question, etc... and warned me to to keep it confidential. The idiots emailed my password to me! Which seems to imply that they are probably storing the password in clear text! I am waiting for their feedback to my concern. Regards Anil ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
On 24-Apr-08, at 8:23 PM, Anil Seth wrote: Incidentally, I had an unfortunate irritant with HDFC as well - for credit card security code. But they were much more sympathetic though I had to use Opera with Mask as IE option to actually register the security code. all HDFC stuff works for me with firefox without any tweaking. Things keep crashing, but that is because the coding is crappy -nothing to do with firefox. For example, I was booking a bus ticket which sent me to the HDFC portal. Entered everything and clicked 'pay', then clicked confirm, then I get a form asking me to join verisign secure or something like that. There is a link saying that I can do this later and can proceed with my transaction. I click that and it says 'transaction cancelled' and times out. Second time round, i click register for the verisign thing. A form appears and i click on 'help'. A popup appears with the help message. I click 'close' on the popup and everything closes and I am returned to the bus company site. However, the transaction has gone through and I have my ticket. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
- Original Message From: Sudev Barar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Try with Konqueror. It further has a feature of reporting itself a IE. Try if this works. Hi, I don't have Konqueror (am using Gnome), but I get the same results with Epiphany. I also have a copy of IE6 running thro wine and that works fine with ABN Amro!! I have written to them saying that they are being included into the Hall of Shame. Let's see what they say. I read somewhere that Infosys is responsible for the ABN Amro portal.. With Warm Regards, Shivkumar linux user no: 450769 blog: outbackwifi.blogspot.com profile: www.linkedin.com/in/shivjags Best Jokes, Best Friends, Best Food and more. Go to http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/bestofyahoo/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
Hi, I was not able to access netbanking on ABN Amro Bank's website using Firefox on Ubuntu. When I wrote to them, this is the reply I got:- Dear Mr. Jagannath, This is with reference to your email dated April 20, 2008. At the outset we would like to thank you for the time taken and effort made by you in sharing your concerns with us. We wish to inform you that currently you will not be able to access our Net banking service through Mozilla and Linux browser. However to access our Net banking services we recommend Internet explorer browser version to be 5.5 and 6 and we would also request you to kindly check if your Internet Explorer browser is configured for JAVA applet. Are they ideal candidates for inclusion into the Hall Of Shame? Also how do we ensure that they comply with other browsers? With Warm Regards, Shivkumar linux user no: 450769 blog: outbackwifi.blogspot.com profile: www.linkedin.com/in/shivjags Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Go to http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
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On 22-Apr-08, at 5:27 PM, Shiv wrote: Are they ideal candidates for inclusion into the Hall Of Shame? yes Also how do we ensure that they comply with other browsers? shift to axis bank or hdfc bank and tell them you are shifting, blog it and send them the blog url -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
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On 22/04/2008, Shiv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: will not be able to access our Net banking service through Mozilla and Linux browser. However to access our Net banking services we recommend Internet explorer browser version to be 5.5 and 6 and we would also request you to kindly check if your Internet Explorer browser is configured for JAVA applet. Try with Konqueror. It further has a feature of reporting itself a IE. Try if this works. Many a times I am told that the site will not work with Linux simply because they have not tried it. Sometimes telling them that you are using firefox on windows will get you more inputs. However if they are actively allowing only IE browser you need to read their terms very carefully and then proceed to tell them that you are proposing their name for Hall Of Shame. See the response. -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Sudev Barar wrote: On 22/04/2008, Shiv wrote: will not be able to access our Net banking service through Mozilla and Linux browser. However to access our Net banking services we recommend Internet explorer browser version to be 5.5 and 6 and we would also request you to kindly check if your Internet Explorer browser is configured for JAVA applet. Try with Konqueror. It further has a feature of reporting itself a IE. Try if this works. Many a times I am told that the site will not work with Linux simply because they have not tried it. Sometimes telling them that you are using firefox on windows will get you more inputs. However if they are actively allowing only IE browser you need to read their terms very carefully and then proceed to tell them that you are proposing their name for Hall Of Shame. See the response. I have been following up with IDBI bank on the same issue for past few weeks (they move slower than frozen molasses going uphill). They were told about Hall of Shame and their entry there. I am getting nowhere with them and am considering moving to AXIS bank. Here's the latest correspondance. , | On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Vijaya Sonawane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | We request you to please use Internet Explorer version above 5.5 , | resolution 800*600 so that you can log successfully. | | Can you please suggest where can I get a copy of Internet Explorer | that runs on Linux? Or are you suggesting that I should buy MS | Windows just so that I can use IDBI bank website (Windows costs anywhere | from Rs. 4,495.00 to Rs. 11,500.00. Reference: | http://shopping.rediff.com/shop/subcategory.jsp?cgrfnbr=7498)! | | Does IDBI have a reimbursement or discount policy to assist | customers with this? Else why do you expect a customer to spend this | obscene amount of money (on an operating system that I do not otherwise | need) just to access your website? | | Your website used to function just fine earlier before the | `upgrade' like so many other banks'. | | I think now you may either: | | 1. Offer to reimburse me for the cost of the MS Windows operating | system. | 2. Let me know if/when your website will be free of this artificial | `requirement'. | or 3. escalate and include your management on this communication. | | Vijaya Assuring you the best of our services at all times. | Vijaya We look forward to a mutually rewarding relationship. | | Absolutely. I am counting on that. | | Thank you, | -- Manish ` -- Manish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Candidate for Hall Of Shame?
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Shiv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I was not able to access netbanking on ABN Amro Bank's website using Firefox on Ubuntu. When I wrote to them, this is the reply I got:- Dear Mr. Jagannath, This is with reference to your email dated April 20, 2008. At the outset we would like to thank you for the time taken and effort made by you in sharing your concerns with us. We wish to inform you that currently you will not be able to access our Net banking service through Mozilla and Linux browser. However to access our Net banking services we recommend Internet explorer browser version to be 5.5 and 6 and we would also request you to kindly check if your Internet Explorer browser is configured for JAVA applet. Are they ideal candidates for inclusion into the Hall Of Shame? Also how do we ensure that they comply with other browsers? I also faced the same problem with the ABN Amro Credit Card site. But, I found that the site worked with Opera browser in Fedora. Regards, Pawan Sood ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
