Re: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained
Hello Alan, My apology, for where my mind was at, when I wrote you the below critique; as for some reason, I was lost in mental hurdles and I had Classic View on the mind, and Virtual Ribbons had me thinking of a different perspective of menus. Sorry for the mental flakiness. Respectfully, Dooie 100% Blind USN Vet - Original Message - From: "Alan Robbins" Mike had explained this in detail earlier today. Try it out, just run your setup wizard and select it Al -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of dooie13 Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 2:45 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained Hi Alan, Why did you not outline & provide all info about this Virtual method you are telling Mike about? Thanks for these Virtual details you may present. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Alan Robbins Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 09:52 To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained Mike, I have been using this since it came out in version 12. What I don't understand, and maybe you could comment, is why JAWS users that have difficulty with ribbons don't use the virtual option? Best, Al -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mike B. Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 10:52 AM To: Jaws-Users List Subject: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained Hi LeDon, I believe you wanted the Virtual Ribbons explained. Here you go, from Jaws training: The Virtual Ribbon Menu Feature - New in JAWS 12 Introduction The ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications being released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are now becoming more common in other applications tailored for the WindowsR 7 operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example, the lower ribbon contains groups of icons, sometimes arranged in several rows. When you press the ARROW keys to move between items in a group, you can skip items if there is a row above or below the one you are on. When pressing the ARROW keys or TAB, no indication is given when focus leaves one group and enters another. You cannot use first letter navigation in the ribbons, because pressing keys might activate ribbon key tips. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know if you should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item. The new virtual ribbon menu feature in JAWSR screen reading software provides predictable navigation, lets you see everything in the ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with the ARROW keys. For example, each group on the lower ribbon is treated as a submenu. Once you open the group submenu, you can press DOWN ARROW to move through all of the items within that group. When you reach the bottom of the items in that group, focus wraps back to the top item, and vice versa. You can also use first letter navigation in the virtual ribbon menu. Here are a few keystrokes to help you get started using the virtual ribbon menu: list of 6 items . Move from one ribbon tab to another, ALT to move to the first tab, then LEFT or RIGHT ARROW. JAWS reads the name of the tab as you move to it. . Move from an upper ribbon tab to the lower ribbon groups, DOWN ARROW or ENTER. JAWS announces and treats the lower ribbon groups as if they were submenus. . Open a ribbon group submenu, RIGHT ARROW or ENTER. . Navigate the items within each submenu, UP or DOWN ARROW, or first letter navigation. . Close a submenu, LEFT ARROW or ESC. . Move from the lower ribbon back to the upper ribbon, ESC. list end NOTE: One nice feature of the JAWS virtual ribbon menu is that when you activate an item and focus returns to the document or application you are working on, JAWS remembers where you just were on the ribbon. If you press ALT again, instead of having to go back to the upper ribbon and find your place again, JAWS goes right back to where it was previously, in the same group, and on the exact same control you were last on. I'll demonstrate all of these things to you, and you can practice along with me in just a few minutes. Also, just a reminder, whenever you want to pause the audio of this DAISY book, just press CTRL+P. When you are ready to resume, press CTRL+P again. Remember, you can leave the DAISY book in the background and use this keystroke to play or pause the audio while working on your practice documents in the foreground. When FSReader DAISY player is open, even in the background, use this keystroke to toggle the audio on and off. If you need to print something while FSReader is open, just go to the File menu and choos
Re: [JAWS-Users] Sounds In Word 07 & 10
Hi Flor, I do have Office 97 sounds installed but, I think I may have figured out what is happening, after spending time on my iBarstool deeply pondering the situation! Yeah right! LOL LOL The, process complete, task sound assigned only works when opening a document that's already been saved but, not when opening a new document. I don't know which sound task to assign to a new document but, I would assume that it would be , open program, in the list tree view but, I sure as hell don't want some sound going off whenever I open a program! LOL LOL I could try using the dictionary manager but, that ain't happening tonight! If you have a different idea I'm all ears. Thank you very much for your input & reply. Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Sounds In Word 07 & 10 I do think it's office97sounds.exe though. - Original Message - From: "Flor Lynch" To: Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 2:07 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Sounds In Word 07 & 10 > Mike, > > I found that the only Sounds pack that I could find, which worjks with > office 2010 (Home/Student Edition), is the Office97 Sounds.exe file. I > googled to ascertain this, and folk confirmed that later sounds packs > don't work with it. (Not sure if it's specifically Word97 Sounds.exe > or office 97Sounds.exe .) > Good luck. > - Original Message - >>From: "Mike B." > To: "Jaws-Users List" > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 12:23 AM > Subject: [JAWS-Users] Sounds In Word 07 & 10 > > >> Hi all, >> >> I'm running Office 07 on an XP system & Office 2010 on a Win7 64 bit >> system, >> with J13 thru 15. When I open a new Word document I want to assign a >> sound >> to it. In Word 2002 I used the ProcessComplete sound task in Control >> Panel >> / Sounds & Audio, to do this but, it isn't working in either Word >> 2007 or >> 2010. I do have sound & animation checked in Tools / options / >> Advanced in >> both computers. Does Word 07 / 2010 use a different sound task for >> this? >> If so, would y'all please inform me as to what task is used for >> assigning a >> sound when opening document1? All help will be greatly appreciated. >> Thanks >> much. >> Take care. >> Mike >> This email was sent from my, iBarstool. >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] vipre I'm lost
Hi Lenny, In Vipre you can tell the program to not block preferred websites but, you will need to put the whole URL into the edit field, you know, including the, HTTP://. To do this, open Vipre from the system tray, Press the letter, V, wait a couple of seconds for it to load, tab to settings, & press the spacebar to open. With Settings open, control + tab, to the Firewall tab, tab to, Bad Web Site Exceptions... button & press the spacebar to open. Tab to, Add, press the spacebar to open, paste the whole URL into this edit field, & tab / okay your way out. I can't be more specific with the dialogue boxes that will come up but, you'll figure it out. Then, tab to apply, spacebar, tab to okay, & spacebar. Here is a work around & this is what I do when I'm going to a website that I know is safe: Open Vipre settings, go to the Firewall tab, tab to, Enable Bad Web Site Blocking, uncheck this box, tab to okay, & press enter. Close out of Vipre but, don't forget to recheck that box if you feel that you need that added protection after you're done with the current website you're wanting to open. Personally I always keep this box unchecked because I'm not a big surfer of the Internet & usually only go to certain websites but, if I feel the need for the added protection I'll go in & check this box. Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. - Original Message - From: Lenny McHugh To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] vipre I'm lost I can not do that. I had my wife try and help. When I enter www.ultragroups.us it tells me to enter a valid url. Obviously it does not know the new extensions. -Original Message- From: Denny Huff Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:32 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] vipre I'm lost You should have also had an option to notify Vipre to check the site and they would unblock the site if it is safe. I once visited a web site that Vipre blocked and within 10 minutes after contacting Vipre the site was unblocked. * Have questions about that IPhone, IPad or IPod Touch? Join the IDevices list serve and get answers to your questions and find out tips and tricks about using those devices. To join send an email message to: idevices-j...@gatewayfortheblind.com -Original Message- From: Lenny McHugh Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:14 PM To: JFW List Subject: [JAWS-Users] vipre I'm lost Ok I purchased and installe vipre. The first site that I attempted to go to vipre blocked It is www.ultragroups.us where my guidedog list is hosted. I was instructed to add it to allowed sites in the firewall. I can not get there. Under view there is firewall. No where is a place for me to add the exception. Plus most of the buttons will not activate with the space bar or enter. --- Please visit my web page It’s motivational, inspirational with a touch of humor There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind http://www.LennyMcHugh.com International Brotherhood of Magicians member #43990R For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Sounds In Word 07 & 10
I do think it's office97sounds.exe though. - Original Message - From: "Flor Lynch" To: Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 2:07 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Sounds In Word 07 & 10 Mike, I found that the only Sounds pack that I could find, which worjks with office 2010 (Home/Student Edition), is the Office97 Sounds.exe file. I googled to ascertain this, and folk confirmed that later sounds packs don't work with it. (Not sure if it's specifically Word97 Sounds.exe or office 97Sounds.exe .) Good luck. - Original Message - From: "Mike B." To: "Jaws-Users List" Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 12:23 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Sounds In Word 07 & 10 Hi all, I'm running Office 07 on an XP system & Office 2010 on a Win7 64 bit system, with J13 thru 15. When I open a new Word document I want to assign a sound to it. In Word 2002 I used the ProcessComplete sound task in Control Panel / Sounds & Audio, to do this but, it isn't working in either Word 2007 or 2010. I do have sound & animation checked in Tools / options / Advanced in both computers. Does Word 07 / 2010 use a different sound task for this? If so, would y'all please inform me as to what task is used for assigning a sound when opening document1? All help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks much. Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Sounds In Word 07 & 10
Mike, I found that the only Sounds pack that I could find, which worjks with office 2010 (Home/Student Edition), is the Office97 Sounds.exe file. I googled to ascertain this, and folk confirmed that later sounds packs don't work with it. (Not sure if it's specifically Word97 Sounds.exe or office 97Sounds.exe .) Good luck. - Original Message - From: "Mike B." To: "Jaws-Users List" Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 12:23 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Sounds In Word 07 & 10 Hi all, I'm running Office 07 on an XP system & Office 2010 on a Win7 64 bit system, with J13 thru 15. When I open a new Word document I want to assign a sound to it. In Word 2002 I used the ProcessComplete sound task in Control Panel / Sounds & Audio, to do this but, it isn't working in either Word 2007 or 2010. I do have sound & animation checked in Tools / options / Advanced in both computers. Does Word 07 / 2010 use a different sound task for this? If so, would y'all please inform me as to what task is used for assigning a sound when opening document1? All help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks much. Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] vipre I'm lost
I can not do that. I had my wife try and help. When I enter www.ultragroups.us it tells me to enter a valid url. Obviously it does not know the new extensions. -Original Message- From: Denny Huff Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:32 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] vipre I'm lost You should have also had an option to notify Vipre to check the site and they would unblock the site if it is safe. I once visited a web site that Vipre blocked and within 10 minutes after contacting Vipre the site was unblocked. * Have questions about that IPhone, IPad or IPod Touch? Join the IDevices list serve and get answers to your questions and find out tips and tricks about using those devices. To join send an email message to: idevices-j...@gatewayfortheblind.com -Original Message- From: Lenny McHugh Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:14 PM To: JFW List Subject: [JAWS-Users] vipre I'm lost Ok I purchased and installe vipre. The first site that I attempted to go to vipre blocked It is www.ultragroups.us where my guidedog list is hosted. I was instructed to add it to allowed sites in the firewall. I can not get there. Under view there is firewall. No where is a place for me to add the exception. Plus most of the buttons will not activate with the space bar or enter. --- Please visit my web page It’s motivational, inspirational with a touch of humor There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind http://www.LennyMcHugh.com International Brotherhood of Magicians member #43990R For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] vipre I'm lost
You should have also had an option to notify Vipre to check the site and they would unblock the site if it is safe. I once visited a web site that Vipre blocked and within 10 minutes after contacting Vipre the site was unblocked. * Have questions about that IPhone, IPad or IPod Touch? Join the IDevices list serve and get answers to your questions and find out tips and tricks about using those devices. To join send an email message to: idevices-j...@gatewayfortheblind.com -Original Message- From: Lenny McHugh Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:14 PM To: JFW List Subject: [JAWS-Users] vipre I'm lost Ok I purchased and installe vipre. The first site that I attempted to go to vipre blocked It is www.ultragroups.us where my guidedog list is hosted. I was instructed to add it to allowed sites in the firewall. I can not get there. Under view there is firewall. No where is a place for me to add the exception. Plus most of the buttons will not activate with the space bar or enter. --- Please visit my web page It’s motivational, inspirational with a touch of humor There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind http://www.LennyMcHugh.com International Brotherhood of Magicians member #43990R For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] vipre I'm lost
Ok I purchased and installe vipre. The first site that I attempted to go to vipre blocked It is www.ultragroups.us where my guidedog list is hosted. I was instructed to add it to allowed sites in the firewall. I can not get there. Under view there is firewall. No where is a place for me to add the exception. Plus most of the buttons will not activate with the space bar or enter. --- Please visit my web page It’s motivational, inspirational with a touch of humor There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind http://www.LennyMcHugh.com International Brotherhood of Magicians member #43990R For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] Sounds In Word 07 & 10
Hi all, I'm running Office 07 on an XP system & Office 2010 on a Win7 64 bit system, with J13 thru 15. When I open a new Word document I want to assign a sound to it. In Word 2002 I used the ProcessComplete sound task in Control Panel / Sounds & Audio, to do this but, it isn't working in either Word 2007 or 2010. I do have sound & animation checked in Tools / options / Advanced in both computers. Does Word 07 / 2010 use a different sound task for this? If so, would y'all please inform me as to what task is used for assigning a sound when opening document1? All help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks much. Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] speak drop box program
It's kind of a cool deal working automatically in the background. When time permits I'll probably link the authors' web page since he makes so many changes. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained
Thanks for that. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mike B. Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:52 AM To: Jaws-Users List Subject: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained Hi LeDon, I believe you wanted the Virtual Ribbons explained. Here you go, from Jaws training: The Virtual Ribbon Menu Feature - New in JAWS 12 Introduction The ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications being released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are now becoming more common in other applications tailored for the WindowsR 7 operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example, the lower ribbon contains groups of icons, sometimes arranged in several rows. When you press the ARROW keys to move between items in a group, you can skip items if there is a row above or below the one you are on. When pressing the ARROW keys or TAB, no indication is given when focus leaves one group and enters another. You cannot use first letter navigation in the ribbons, because pressing keys might activate ribbon key tips. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know if you should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item. The new virtual ribbon menu feature in JAWSR screen reading software provides predictable navigation, lets you see everything in the ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with the ARROW keys. For example, each group on the lower ribbon is treated as a submenu. Once you open the group submenu, you can press DOWN ARROW to move through all of the items within that group. When you reach the bottom of the items in that group, focus wraps back to the top item, and vice versa. You can also use first letter navigation in the virtual ribbon menu. Here are a few keystrokes to help you get started using the virtual ribbon menu: list of 6 items . Move from one ribbon tab to another, ALT to move to the first tab, then LEFT or RIGHT ARROW. JAWS reads the name of the tab as you move to it. . Move from an upper ribbon tab to the lower ribbon groups, DOWN ARROW or ENTER. JAWS announces and treats the lower ribbon groups as if they were submenus. . Open a ribbon group submenu, RIGHT ARROW or ENTER. . Navigate the items within each submenu, UP or DOWN ARROW, or first letter navigation. . Close a submenu, LEFT ARROW or ESC. . Move from the lower ribbon back to the upper ribbon, ESC. list end NOTE: One nice feature of the JAWS virtual ribbon menu is that when you activate an item and focus returns to the document or application you are working on, JAWS remembers where you just were on the ribbon. If you press ALT again, instead of having to go back to the upper ribbon and find your place again, JAWS goes right back to where it was previously, in the same group, and on the exact same control you were last on. I'll demonstrate all of these things to you, and you can practice along with me in just a few minutes. Also, just a reminder, whenever you want to pause the audio of this DAISY book, just press CTRL+P. When you are ready to resume, press CTRL+P again. Remember, you can leave the DAISY book in the background and use this keystroke to play or pause the audio while working on your practice documents in the foreground. When FSReader DAISY player is open, even in the background, use this keystroke to toggle the audio on and off. If you need to print something while FSReader is open, just go to the File menu and choose Print. Using the JAWS Virtual Ribbon Menu as Opposed to the Microsoft Ribbon - Some Differences The virtual ribbon menus feature allows for ribbon navigation using standard menu type commands such as scrolling with the arrow keys and first letter navigation. While virtual ribbon menus are enabled with JAWS, the built-in key tips and accelerator keys that appear visually on the ribbon and on the buttons are disabled. For example, to insert a bookmark in MicrosoftR Word, here are the steps for both scenarios, one using the ribbon, and the second one using JAWS virtual ribbon menus: Using Microsoft Word Key Tips: list of 2 items . Using the built-in keyboard access in Microsoft Word, you would first press ALT+N to move to the Insert tab of the ribbon. . Next, you press the letter K, the Microsoft key tip to activate the bookmark button. list end Using JAWS Virtual Ribbon Menus: list of 4 items . In order to activate the button using the virtual ribbon menus you first press ALT+N to move to the Insert tab of the ribbon. . Next, you would press DOWN ARROW or ENTER to go to the lower ribbon. . Once on the lower ribbon, you would press L to move to the Links submenu, using first letter navigation. The submenu opens, and focus is on the Hyperlink button. . Finally, you press B for Bookmark. list end The nice thing about this is that these keystrokes are easy to remember, because it is first letter naviga
Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation
Hi Gerald, Okay, thank you very much for the clarification. Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. - Original Message - From: Gerald Levy To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation If I scroll to the Mailings tab in Word 2007 without hitting Enter, and then press tab once, I hear Microsoft Office Word Help Button. If I tab again, I hear Office submenu grid, and if I tab a third time, I hear Quick Access Tool Bar. To get to Envelopes and Labels, I have to pressEnter when I land on the Mailings tab. Gerald - Original Message - From: "Mike B." To: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > Hi Gerald, > > Do, not, press enter on the, Mailing tab!! Just right arrow to it & tab 1 > time, & see if that works. > Take care. > Mike > This email was sent from my, iBarstool. > > - Original Message - > From: Gerald Levy > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:06 PM > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > > > > Please don't misunderstand. I only used the Mailings tab as an example of > how navigating the ribbon menu can yield unpredictable results. I have > been > using the Alt-M, E shortcut keystroke ever since I began using Word 2007, > so > I am familiar with it. But if I use the alternate technique to get to the > Envelopes option and I press Tab after hitting Enter on the Mailings tab, > the first thing I hear is Labels, not Envelopes. If I then press > Shift-Tab, > I hear Envelopes. Maybe this is just an unusual quirk, but there are > probably others just like it that I am not aware of. > > Gerald > > > - Original Message - > From: "david" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 2:21 PM > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > > >> hello; >> what happens if; >> 1, you go to the ribbon menu, >> >> 2, right arrow to mailings tab, >> >> 3, now just use the tab key one time, what do you hear; >> >> also, have you tried the shortcut, >> alt+m+e >> so, alt+m=mailings, >> e=envelope. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On >> Behalf Of Gerald Levy >> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:18 PM >> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >> >> >> Your instructions don't work for me. When I Hit Enter on the Mailings >> tab >> in Word 2007 using JAWS 9, and then press tab, the first item I land on >> is >> Labels, not Envelopes. Intuitively, you would think that by continuing >> to >> press the tab key, I would eventually land on the Envelopes option. But >> this is not the case. The only way I can reach Envelopes is to press >> Shift-Tab from the Labels option. Of course, a sighted person could see >> the >> >> juxtaposition of the Labels and Envelopes options. But there is no easy >> way >> >> for a blind person to find it unless he is clever enough to experiment >> with >> various key combinations and finds it by accident, or is told how to find >> it. That's why the JAWS virtual menu feature was developed. By the way, >> did >> you know that the popular Envelope Wizard feature from earlier versions >> of >> Word is not located on any Word 2007 menus, but can be launched only >> with >> the "secret" key combination Alt-T, then E, Z? Does hiding a popular >> feature like this make any sense? >> >> Gerald >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "david" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:55 AM >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >> >> >>> hello; >>> >>> well; >>> if I were wanting to print out an envelope, >>> using word 2007, >>> >>> 1, menu right arrow until you hear mailing tab, >>> now, use the tab key, the first press of the tab key you will see/hear, >>> envelope. >>> now, press enter. >>> or, within the document, >>> press, >>> alt+m+e, >>> you don't press enter on the mailings tab, >>> however, if your using the jaws virtual ribbon feature, >>> >>> then after going to the menu, >>> right arrow to mailings tab, now press enter, >>> now right arrow one time, you will see envelope. >>> I don't use the jaws ribbon feature, so, I can use the shortcut keys. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On >>> Behalf Of Gerald Levy >>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:55 AM >>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>> >>> >>> It's not that simple. Here's a specific example of why the ribbon menus >>> are >>> >>> so maddening. Suppose I want to print an envelope using Word 2007, but >>> I >>> can't recall the quick tip keys to access the Envelopes option on the >>> Mailings tab. First, I press Alt to bring up the menu tabs, then use >>> right >>> arrow to scroll to the Mailings tab and select it by pressing Enter. >>> The >>> fir
Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation
If I scroll to the Mailings tab in Word 2007 without hitting Enter, and then press tab once, I hear Microsoft Office Word Help Button. If I tab again, I hear Office submenu grid, and if I tab a third time, I hear Quick Access Tool Bar. To get to Envelopes and Labels, I have to pressEnter when I land on the Mailings tab. Gerald - Original Message - From: "Mike B." To: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation Hi Gerald, Do, not, press enter on the, Mailing tab!! Just right arrow to it & tab 1 time, & see if that works. Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. - Original Message - From: Gerald Levy To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation Please don't misunderstand. I only used the Mailings tab as an example of how navigating the ribbon menu can yield unpredictable results. I have been using the Alt-M, E shortcut keystroke ever since I began using Word 2007, so I am familiar with it. But if I use the alternate technique to get to the Envelopes option and I press Tab after hitting Enter on the Mailings tab, the first thing I hear is Labels, not Envelopes. If I then press Shift-Tab, I hear Envelopes. Maybe this is just an unusual quirk, but there are probably others just like it that I am not aware of. Gerald - Original Message - From: "david" To: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation hello; what happens if; 1, you go to the ribbon menu, 2, right arrow to mailings tab, 3, now just use the tab key one time, what do you hear; also, have you tried the shortcut, alt+m+e so, alt+m=mailings, e=envelope. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:18 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation Your instructions don't work for me. When I Hit Enter on the Mailings tab in Word 2007 using JAWS 9, and then press tab, the first item I land on is Labels, not Envelopes. Intuitively, you would think that by continuing to press the tab key, I would eventually land on the Envelopes option. But this is not the case. The only way I can reach Envelopes is to press Shift-Tab from the Labels option. Of course, a sighted person could see the juxtaposition of the Labels and Envelopes options. But there is no easy way for a blind person to find it unless he is clever enough to experiment with various key combinations and finds it by accident, or is told how to find it. That's why the JAWS virtual menu feature was developed. By the way, did you know that the popular Envelope Wizard feature from earlier versions of Word is not located on any Word 2007 menus, but can be launched only with the "secret" key combination Alt-T, then E, Z? Does hiding a popular feature like this make any sense? Gerald - Original Message - From: "david" To: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation hello; well; if I were wanting to print out an envelope, using word 2007, 1, menu right arrow until you hear mailing tab, now, use the tab key, the first press of the tab key you will see/hear, envelope. now, press enter. or, within the document, press, alt+m+e, you don't press enter on the mailings tab, however, if your using the jaws virtual ribbon feature, then after going to the menu, right arrow to mailings tab, now press enter, now right arrow one time, you will see envelope. I don't use the jaws ribbon feature, so, I can use the shortcut keys. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:55 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation It's not that simple. Here's a specific example of why the ribbon menus are so maddening. Suppose I want to print an envelope using Word 2007, but I can't recall the quick tip keys to access the Envelopes option on the Mailings tab. First, I press Alt to bring up the menu tabs, then use right arrow to scroll to the Mailings tab and select it by pressing Enter. The first item I encounter after pressing Tab is Labels. If I continue to tab from this point, I will get dozens of options , but never encounter the Envelopes option. However, if I navigate back to the Labels option and then press Shift-Tab or Shift-left arrow, the Envelopes option magically appears. This behavior certainly doesn't make any sense to me. Why doesn't the Envelopes option appear when you keep pressing Tab? Why do you have to press Shift-Tab from the Labels option to find it? And navigating the ribbon menus in MS Office is one thing, but what about the ribbon menus for Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer which are used in
Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation
Hi Gerald, Do, not, press enter on the, Mailing tab!! Just right arrow to it & tab 1 time, & see if that works. Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. - Original Message - From: Gerald Levy To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation Please don't misunderstand. I only used the Mailings tab as an example of how navigating the ribbon menu can yield unpredictable results. I have been using the Alt-M, E shortcut keystroke ever since I began using Word 2007, so I am familiar with it. But if I use the alternate technique to get to the Envelopes option and I press Tab after hitting Enter on the Mailings tab, the first thing I hear is Labels, not Envelopes. If I then press Shift-Tab, I hear Envelopes. Maybe this is just an unusual quirk, but there are probably others just like it that I am not aware of. Gerald - Original Message - From: "david" To: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > hello; > what happens if; > 1, you go to the ribbon menu, > > 2, right arrow to mailings tab, > > 3, now just use the tab key one time, what do you hear; > > also, have you tried the shortcut, > alt+m+e > so, alt+m=mailings, > e=envelope. > > > > -Original Message- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of Gerald Levy > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:18 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > > > Your instructions don't work for me. When I Hit Enter on the Mailings tab > in Word 2007 using JAWS 9, and then press tab, the first item I land on is > Labels, not Envelopes. Intuitively, you would think that by continuing to > press the tab key, I would eventually land on the Envelopes option. But > this is not the case. The only way I can reach Envelopes is to press > Shift-Tab from the Labels option. Of course, a sighted person could see > the > > juxtaposition of the Labels and Envelopes options. But there is no easy > way > > for a blind person to find it unless he is clever enough to experiment > with > various key combinations and finds it by accident, or is told how to find > it. That's why the JAWS virtual menu feature was developed. By the way, > did > you know that the popular Envelope Wizard feature from earlier versions of > Word is not located on any Word 2007 menus, but can be launched only with > the "secret" key combination Alt-T, then E, Z? Does hiding a popular > feature like this make any sense? > > Gerald > > > - Original Message - > From: "david" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:55 AM > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > > >> hello; >> >> well; >> if I were wanting to print out an envelope, >> using word 2007, >> >> 1, menu right arrow until you hear mailing tab, >> now, use the tab key, the first press of the tab key you will see/hear, >> envelope. >> now, press enter. >> or, within the document, >> press, >> alt+m+e, >> you don't press enter on the mailings tab, >> however, if your using the jaws virtual ribbon feature, >> >> then after going to the menu, >> right arrow to mailings tab, now press enter, >> now right arrow one time, you will see envelope. >> I don't use the jaws ribbon feature, so, I can use the shortcut keys. >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On >> Behalf Of Gerald Levy >> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:55 AM >> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >> >> >> It's not that simple. Here's a specific example of why the ribbon menus >> are >> >> so maddening. Suppose I want to print an envelope using Word 2007, but I >> can't recall the quick tip keys to access the Envelopes option on the >> Mailings tab. First, I press Alt to bring up the menu tabs, then use >> right >> arrow to scroll to the Mailings tab and select it by pressing Enter. The >> first item I encounter after pressing Tab is Labels. If I continue to >> tab >> from this point, I will get dozens of options , but never encounter the >> Envelopes option. However, if I navigate back to the Labels option and >> then >> >> press Shift-Tab or Shift-left arrow, the Envelopes option magically >> appears. >> >> This behavior certainly doesn't make any sense to me. Why doesn't the >> Envelopes option appear when you keep pressing Tab? Why do you have to >> press Shift-Tab from the Labels option to find it? And navigating the >> ribbon menus in MS Office is one thing, but what about the ribbon menus >> for >> Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer which are used in Windows 8? This >> is >> a whole other ball game altogether. >> >> Gerald >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "david" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:42 AM >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >> >> >>> hello; >>> wel
Re: [JAWS-Users] vipre total security
Lenny, yes, it does. I have the total internet security package, but honestly either one would work fine in my opinion. The internet security was only ten dollars more than just the anti virus so I figured I'd get the whole thing. Judy & Tallie -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Lenny McHugh Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:16 PM To: JFW List Subject: [JAWS-Users] vipre total security Since vipre works with jaws and has one of the best ratings I plan to go with it. I have never used a total protection package. Is that worth it? I know that internet explorer stops phishing sites and both my isp and windows live mail checks for spam is the total package really needed? I would assume that if vipre antivirus works with jaws that the rest of the total package will also work. --- Please visit my web page It's motivational, inspirational with a touch of humor There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind http://www.LennyMcHugh.com International Brotherhood of Magicians member #43990R For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] vipre antivirus
Lenny, I installed Vipre as several people on list recommended it, and it does read me things that Norton never did. I like it and it works well. Judy & Tallie -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Lenny McHugh Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 10:17 PM To: JFW List Subject: [JAWS-Users] vipre antivirus Is this software jaws friendly? My subscription of nod32 will run out in a few days. I just saw that this has a very high rating with free support and virus removal, hope not needed. --- Please visit my web page It's motivational, inspirational with a touch of humor There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind http://www.LennyMcHugh.com International Brotherhood of Magicians member #43990R For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation
Please don't misunderstand. I only used the Mailings tab as an example of how navigating the ribbon menu can yield unpredictable results. I have been using the Alt-M, E shortcut keystroke ever since I began using Word 2007, so I am familiar with it. But if I use the alternate technique to get to the Envelopes option and I press Tab after hitting Enter on the Mailings tab, the first thing I hear is Labels, not Envelopes. If I then press Shift-Tab, I hear Envelopes. Maybe this is just an unusual quirk, but there are probably others just like it that I am not aware of. Gerald - Original Message - From: "david" To: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation hello; what happens if; 1, you go to the ribbon menu, 2, right arrow to mailings tab, 3, now just use the tab key one time, what do you hear; also, have you tried the shortcut, alt+m+e so, alt+m=mailings, e=envelope. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:18 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation Your instructions don't work for me. When I Hit Enter on the Mailings tab in Word 2007 using JAWS 9, and then press tab, the first item I land on is Labels, not Envelopes. Intuitively, you would think that by continuing to press the tab key, I would eventually land on the Envelopes option. But this is not the case. The only way I can reach Envelopes is to press Shift-Tab from the Labels option. Of course, a sighted person could see the juxtaposition of the Labels and Envelopes options. But there is no easy way for a blind person to find it unless he is clever enough to experiment with various key combinations and finds it by accident, or is told how to find it. That's why the JAWS virtual menu feature was developed. By the way, did you know that the popular Envelope Wizard feature from earlier versions of Word is not located on any Word 2007 menus, but can be launched only with the "secret" key combination Alt-T, then E, Z? Does hiding a popular feature like this make any sense? Gerald - Original Message - From: "david" To: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation hello; well; if I were wanting to print out an envelope, using word 2007, 1, menu right arrow until you hear mailing tab, now, use the tab key, the first press of the tab key you will see/hear, envelope. now, press enter. or, within the document, press, alt+m+e, you don't press enter on the mailings tab, however, if your using the jaws virtual ribbon feature, then after going to the menu, right arrow to mailings tab, now press enter, now right arrow one time, you will see envelope. I don't use the jaws ribbon feature, so, I can use the shortcut keys. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:55 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation It's not that simple. Here's a specific example of why the ribbon menus are so maddening. Suppose I want to print an envelope using Word 2007, but I can't recall the quick tip keys to access the Envelopes option on the Mailings tab. First, I press Alt to bring up the menu tabs, then use right arrow to scroll to the Mailings tab and select it by pressing Enter. The first item I encounter after pressing Tab is Labels. If I continue to tab from this point, I will get dozens of options , but never encounter the Envelopes option. However, if I navigate back to the Labels option and then press Shift-Tab or Shift-left arrow, the Envelopes option magically appears. This behavior certainly doesn't make any sense to me. Why doesn't the Envelopes option appear when you keep pressing Tab? Why do you have to press Shift-Tab from the Labels option to find it? And navigating the ribbon menus in MS Office is one thing, but what about the ribbon menus for Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer which are used in Windows 8? This is a whole other ball game altogether. Gerald - Original Message - From: "david" To: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation hello; well here's my take on the ribbons, obviously, you have an upper and lower part of the ribbon. the upper part is primarily the various tabs, example: home, insert, page layout, etc, the lower part of the ribbon provides the various setting for each of the tabs. to access the settings, use the tab key, now you may hear things such as, 1 of 4, one of 8, so, by using the tab key, you'll stay in the lower part of the ribbon, and stay focused on the particular tab title. if you go to the top of the ribbon, now do a ctrl+tab, you will hear such things as, page numbers button, use the right arrow,or the
Re: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained
Mike had explained this in detail earlier today. Try it out, just run your setup wizard and select it Al -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of dooie13 Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 2:45 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained Hi Alan, Why did you not outline & provide all info about this Virtual method you are telling Mike about? Thanks for these Virtual details you may present. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Alan Robbins Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 09:52 To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained Mike, I have been using this since it came out in version 12. What I don't understand, and maybe you could comment, is why JAWS users that have difficulty with ribbons don't use the virtual option? Best, Al -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mike B. Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 10:52 AM To: Jaws-Users List Subject: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained Hi LeDon, I believe you wanted the Virtual Ribbons explained. Here you go, from Jaws training: The Virtual Ribbon Menu Feature - New in JAWS 12 Introduction The ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications being released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are now becoming more common in other applications tailored for the WindowsR 7 operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example, the lower ribbon contains groups of icons, sometimes arranged in several rows. When you press the ARROW keys to move between items in a group, you can skip items if there is a row above or below the one you are on. When pressing the ARROW keys or TAB, no indication is given when focus leaves one group and enters another. You cannot use first letter navigation in the ribbons, because pressing keys might activate ribbon key tips. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know if you should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item. The new virtual ribbon menu feature in JAWSR screen reading software provides predictable navigation, lets you see everything in the ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with the ARROW keys. For example, each group on the lower ribbon is treated as a submenu. Once you open the group submenu, you can press DOWN ARROW to move through all of the items within that group. When you reach the bottom of the items in that group, focus wraps back to the top item, and vice versa. You can also use first letter navigation in the virtual ribbon menu. Here are a few keystrokes to help you get started using the virtual ribbon menu: list of 6 items . Move from one ribbon tab to another, ALT to move to the first tab, then LEFT or RIGHT ARROW. JAWS reads the name of the tab as you move to it. . Move from an upper ribbon tab to the lower ribbon groups, DOWN ARROW or ENTER. JAWS announces and treats the lower ribbon groups as if they were submenus. . Open a ribbon group submenu, RIGHT ARROW or ENTER. . Navigate the items within each submenu, UP or DOWN ARROW, or first letter navigation. . Close a submenu, LEFT ARROW or ESC. . Move from the lower ribbon back to the upper ribbon, ESC. list end NOTE: One nice feature of the JAWS virtual ribbon menu is that when you activate an item and focus returns to the document or application you are working on, JAWS remembers where you just were on the ribbon. If you press ALT again, instead of having to go back to the upper ribbon and find your place again, JAWS goes right back to where it was previously, in the same group, and on the exact same control you were last on. I'll demonstrate all of these things to you, and you can practice along with me in just a few minutes. Also, just a reminder, whenever you want to pause the audio of this DAISY book, just press CTRL+P. When you are ready to resume, press CTRL+P again. Remember, you can leave the DAISY book in the background and use this keystroke to play or pause the audio while working on your practice documents in the foreground. When FSReader DAISY player is open, even in the background, use this keystroke to toggle the audio on and off. If you need to print something while FSReader is open, just go to the File menu and choose Print. Using the JAWS Virtual Ribbon Menu as Opposed to the Microsoft Ribbon - Some Differences The virtual ribbon menus feature allows for ribbon navigation using standard menu type commands such as scrolling with the arrow keys and first letter navigation. While virtual ribbon menus are enabled with JAWS, the built-in key tips and accelerator keys that appear visually on the ribbon and on the buttons are disabled. For example, to insert a
Re: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained
Hi Rich, Try the link below. David Bailes has a tutorial for WLm on his website. http://vip.chowo.co.uk/jaws-guides/ HTH Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. - Original Message - From: Richard Hamel To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained This wouldn't help in WLM, would it? Rich -Original Message- From: Mike B. Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:20 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained Hi Alan, I really can't comment. I've played around with MS products that have ribbons but, never really got serious about learning to navigate them. i.e; I have MSOffice 2010 & when using Word it took me forever to do simple changes but, I saved notes whenever possible, from whomever possible to make using Word 2010 easier for my needs but, now I'm finally getting a little more serious about the ribbon structure. I found a little program / App called Ubit that makes using the ribbons a lot like using the old menues. The link is below: http://www.ubit.ch/software/ubitmenu-languages/ I'm in the process of writing up the steps for Office 2007 & Office 2010 right now. This gem of an App / program really makes navigating the ribbons much, much, easier! Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. - Original Message - From: Alan Robbins To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained Mike, I have been using this since it came out in version 12. What I don't understand, and maybe you could comment, is why JAWS users that have difficulty with ribbons don't use the virtual option? Best, Al -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mike B. Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 10:52 AM To: Jaws-Users List Subject: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained Hi LeDon, I believe you wanted the Virtual Ribbons explained. Here you go, from Jaws training: The Virtual Ribbon Menu Feature - New in JAWS 12 Introduction The ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications being released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are now becoming more common in other applications tailored for the WindowsR 7 operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example, the lower ribbon contains groups of icons, sometimes arranged in several rows. When you press the ARROW keys to move between items in a group, you can skip items if there is a row above or below the one you are on. When pressing the ARROW keys or TAB, no indication is given when focus leaves one group and enters another. You cannot use first letter navigation in the ribbons, because pressing keys might activate ribbon key tips. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know if you should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item. The new virtual ribbon menu feature in JAWSR screen reading software provides predictable navigation, lets you see everything in the ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with the ARROW keys. For example, each group on the lower ribbon is treated as a submenu. Once you open the group submenu, you can press DOWN ARROW to move through all of the items within that group. When you reach the bottom of the items in that group, focus wraps back to the top item, and vice versa. You can also use first letter navigation in the virtual ribbon menu. Here are a few keystrokes to help you get started using the virtual ribbon menu: list of 6 items . Move from one ribbon tab to another, ALT to move to the first tab, then LEFT or RIGHT ARROW. JAWS reads the name of the tab as you move to it. . Move from an upper ribbon tab to the lower ribbon groups, DOWN ARROW or ENTER. JAWS announces and treats the lower ribbon groups as if they were submenus. . Open a ribbon group submenu, RIGHT ARROW or ENTER. . Navigate the items within each submenu, UP or DOWN ARROW, or first letter navigation. . Close a submenu, LEFT ARROW or ESC. . Move from the lower ribbon back to the upper ribbon, ESC. list end NOTE: One nice feature of the JAWS virtual ribbon menu is that when you activate an item and focus returns to the document or application you are working on, JAWS remembers where you just were on the ribbon. If you press ALT again, instead of having to go back to the upper ribbon and find your place again, JAWS goes right back to where it was previously, in the same group, and on the exact same control you were last on. I'll demonstrate all of these things to you, and you can practice along with me in just a few minutes. Also, just a reminder, whenever you want to pause the audio of this DAISY book, just press CTRL+P. When you are ready to resume, press CTRL+P again. Remember, you can leave the DAISY bo
Re: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained
done earlier On 3/16/14, dooie13 wrote: > Hi Alan, > > Why did you not outline & provide all info about this Virtual method you > are > telling Mike about? > > Thanks for these Virtual details you may present. > > > > -Original Message- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of Alan Robbins > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 09:52 > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained > > Mike, > > I have been using this since it came out in version 12. What I don't > understand, and maybe you could comment, is why JAWS users that have > difficulty with ribbons don't use the virtual option? > > Best, > Al > > -Original Message- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] > On Behalf Of Mike B. > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 10:52 AM > To: Jaws-Users List > Subject: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained > > Hi LeDon, > > I believe you wanted the Virtual Ribbons explained. Here you go, from > Jaws > training: > > The Virtual Ribbon Menu Feature - New in JAWS 12 > Introduction > > The ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications > being > released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but > are now > becoming more common in other applications tailored for the WindowsR 7 > > operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to > inconsistent > navigation between various groups and items. For example, the lower > ribbon > contains groups of icons, sometimes arranged in several rows. When you > press > the ARROW keys to move between items in a group, you can skip items if > there > is a row above or below the one you are on. When pressing the ARROW > keys or > TAB, no indication is given when focus leaves one group and enters > another. > You cannot use first letter navigation in the ribbons, because > pressing keys > might activate ribbon key tips. Finally, because of a group's layout, > you do > not know if you should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an > item. > > > The new virtual ribbon menu feature in JAWSR screen reading software > provides predictable navigation, lets you see everything in the > ribbon, and > offers > consistency when navigating with the ARROW keys. For example, each > group on > the lower ribbon is treated as a submenu. Once you open the group > submenu, > you can press DOWN ARROW to move through all of the items within that > group. > When you reach the bottom of the items in that group, focus wraps back > to > the top item, and vice versa. You can also use first letter navigation > in > the virtual ribbon menu. Here are a few keystrokes to help you get > started > using > the virtual ribbon menu: > > list of 6 items > . Move from one ribbon tab to another, ALT to move to the first tab, > then > LEFT or RIGHT ARROW. JAWS reads the name of the tab as you move to it. > . Move from an upper ribbon tab to the lower ribbon groups, DOWN ARROW > or > ENTER. JAWS announces and treats the lower ribbon groups as if they > were > submenus. > > . Open a ribbon group submenu, RIGHT ARROW or ENTER. > . Navigate the items within each submenu, UP or DOWN ARROW, or first > letter > navigation. > . Close a submenu, LEFT ARROW or ESC. > . Move from the lower ribbon back to the upper ribbon, ESC. > list end > > NOTE: One nice feature of the JAWS virtual ribbon menu is that when > you > activate an item and focus returns to the document or application you > are > working > on, JAWS remembers where you just were on the ribbon. If you press ALT > > again, instead of having to go back to the upper ribbon and find your > place > again, > JAWS goes right back to where it was previously, in the same group, > and on > the exact same control you were last on. > > I'll demonstrate all of these things to you, and you can practice > along with > me in just a few minutes. > > Also, just a reminder, whenever you want to pause the audio of this > DAISY > book, just press CTRL+P. When you are ready to resume, press CTRL+P > again. > Remember, > you can leave the DAISY book in the background and use this keystroke > to > play or pause the audio while working on your practice documents in > the > foreground. > When FSReader DAISY player is open, even in the background, use this > keystroke to toggle the audio on and off. If you need to print > something > while FSReader > is open, just go to the File menu and choose Print. > > Using the JAWS Virtual Ribbon Menu as Opposed to the Microsoft Ribbon > - Some > Differences > > The virtual ribbon menus feature allows for ribbon navigation using > standard > menu type commands such as scrolling with the arrow keys and first > letter > navigation. While virtual ribbon menus are enabled with JAWS, the > built-in > key tips and accelerator keys that appear visually on the ribbon and > on the > buttons are disabled. > > For example, to insert a bookmark in MicrosoftR Word, here are the > steps for >
Re: [JAWS-Users] vipre antivirus
Over all yes it is jaws friendly. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Lenny McHugh Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 10:17 PM To: JFW List Subject: [JAWS-Users] vipre antivirus Is this software jaws friendly? My subscription of nod32 will run out in a few days. I just saw that this has a very high rating with free support and virus removal, hope not needed. --- Please visit my web page It’s motivational, inspirational with a touch of humor There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind http://www.LennyMcHugh.com International Brotherhood of Magicians member #43990R For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained
Hi Alan, Why did you not outline & provide all info about this Virtual method you are telling Mike about? Thanks for these Virtual details you may present. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Alan Robbins Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 09:52 To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained Mike, I have been using this since it came out in version 12. What I don't understand, and maybe you could comment, is why JAWS users that have difficulty with ribbons don't use the virtual option? Best, Al -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mike B. Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 10:52 AM To: Jaws-Users List Subject: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained Hi LeDon, I believe you wanted the Virtual Ribbons explained. Here you go, from Jaws training: The Virtual Ribbon Menu Feature - New in JAWS 12 Introduction The ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications being released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are now becoming more common in other applications tailored for the WindowsR 7 operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example, the lower ribbon contains groups of icons, sometimes arranged in several rows. When you press the ARROW keys to move between items in a group, you can skip items if there is a row above or below the one you are on. When pressing the ARROW keys or TAB, no indication is given when focus leaves one group and enters another. You cannot use first letter navigation in the ribbons, because pressing keys might activate ribbon key tips. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know if you should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item. The new virtual ribbon menu feature in JAWSR screen reading software provides predictable navigation, lets you see everything in the ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with the ARROW keys. For example, each group on the lower ribbon is treated as a submenu. Once you open the group submenu, you can press DOWN ARROW to move through all of the items within that group. When you reach the bottom of the items in that group, focus wraps back to the top item, and vice versa. You can also use first letter navigation in the virtual ribbon menu. Here are a few keystrokes to help you get started using the virtual ribbon menu: list of 6 items . Move from one ribbon tab to another, ALT to move to the first tab, then LEFT or RIGHT ARROW. JAWS reads the name of the tab as you move to it. . Move from an upper ribbon tab to the lower ribbon groups, DOWN ARROW or ENTER. JAWS announces and treats the lower ribbon groups as if they were submenus. . Open a ribbon group submenu, RIGHT ARROW or ENTER. . Navigate the items within each submenu, UP or DOWN ARROW, or first letter navigation. . Close a submenu, LEFT ARROW or ESC. . Move from the lower ribbon back to the upper ribbon, ESC. list end NOTE: One nice feature of the JAWS virtual ribbon menu is that when you activate an item and focus returns to the document or application you are working on, JAWS remembers where you just were on the ribbon. If you press ALT again, instead of having to go back to the upper ribbon and find your place again, JAWS goes right back to where it was previously, in the same group, and on the exact same control you were last on. I'll demonstrate all of these things to you, and you can practice along with me in just a few minutes. Also, just a reminder, whenever you want to pause the audio of this DAISY book, just press CTRL+P. When you are ready to resume, press CTRL+P again. Remember, you can leave the DAISY book in the background and use this keystroke to play or pause the audio while working on your practice documents in the foreground. When FSReader DAISY player is open, even in the background, use this keystroke to toggle the audio on and off. If you need to print something while FSReader is open, just go to the File menu and choose Print. Using the JAWS Virtual Ribbon Menu as Opposed to the Microsoft Ribbon - Some Differences The virtual ribbon menus feature allows for ribbon navigation using standard menu type commands such as scrolling with the arrow keys and first letter navigation. While virtual ribbon menus are enabled with JAWS, the built-in key tips and accelerator keys that appear visually on the ribbon and on the buttons are disabled. For example, to insert a bookmark in MicrosoftR Word, here are the steps for both scenarios, one using the ribbon, and the second one using JAWS virtual ribbon menus: Using Microsoft Word Key Tips: list of 2 items . Using the built-in keyboard access in Microsoft Word, you would first press ALT+N to move to the Insert tab of the ribbon. . Next, you press the letter K,
Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation
Hi Gerald, When you right arrow to the Mailing tab try not pressing enter but, just tab from the Mailing tab without pressing enter. Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. - Original Message - From: Gerald Levy To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation Your instructions don't work for me. When I Hit Enter on the Mailings tab in Word 2007 using JAWS 9, and then press tab, the first item I land on is Labels, not Envelopes. Intuitively, you would think that by continuing to press the tab key, I would eventually land on the Envelopes option. But this is not the case. The only way I can reach Envelopes is to press Shift-Tab from the Labels option. Of course, a sighted person could see the juxtaposition of the Labels and Envelopes options. But there is no easy way for a blind person to find it unless he is clever enough to experiment with various key combinations and finds it by accident, or is told how to find it. That's why the JAWS virtual menu feature was developed. By the way, did you know that the popular Envelope Wizard feature from earlier versions of Word is not located on any Word 2007 menus, but can be launched only with the "secret" key combination Alt-T, then E, Z? Does hiding a popular feature like this make any sense? Gerald - Original Message - From: "david" To: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > hello; > > well; > if I were wanting to print out an envelope, > using word 2007, > > 1, menu right arrow until you hear mailing tab, > now, use the tab key, the first press of the tab key you will see/hear, > envelope. > now, press enter. > or, within the document, > press, > alt+m+e, > you don't press enter on the mailings tab, > however, if your using the jaws virtual ribbon feature, > > then after going to the menu, > right arrow to mailings tab, now press enter, > now right arrow one time, you will see envelope. > I don't use the jaws ribbon feature, so, I can use the shortcut keys. > > > > > -Original Message- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of Gerald Levy > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:55 AM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > > > It's not that simple. Here's a specific example of why the ribbon menus > are > > so maddening. Suppose I want to print an envelope using Word 2007, but I > can't recall the quick tip keys to access the Envelopes option on the > Mailings tab. First, I press Alt to bring up the menu tabs, then use > right > arrow to scroll to the Mailings tab and select it by pressing Enter. The > first item I encounter after pressing Tab is Labels. If I continue to tab > from this point, I will get dozens of options , but never encounter the > Envelopes option. However, if I navigate back to the Labels option and > then > > press Shift-Tab or Shift-left arrow, the Envelopes option magically > appears. > > This behavior certainly doesn't make any sense to me. Why doesn't the > Envelopes option appear when you keep pressing Tab? Why do you have to > press Shift-Tab from the Labels option to find it? And navigating the > ribbon menus in MS Office is one thing, but what about the ribbon menus > for > Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer which are used in Windows 8? This > is > a whole other ball game altogether. > > Gerald > > > - Original Message - > From: "david" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:42 AM > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > > >> hello; >> well here's my take on the ribbons, >> obviously, you have an upper and lower part of the ribbon. >> the upper part is primarily the various tabs, example: >> home, insert, page layout, etc, >> the lower part of the ribbon provides the various setting for each of the >> tabs. >> to access the settings, use the tab key, >> now you may hear things such as, 1 of 4, one of 8, >> so, by using the tab key, you'll stay in the lower part of the ribbon, >> and >> stay focused on the particular tab title. >> if you go to the top of the ribbon, >> now do a ctrl+tab, you will hear such things as, >> page numbers button, use the right arrow,or the tab key, >> word count, >> spelling and grammar button, >> etc, >> also, >> keep in mind, you can find many settings, access, >> when you use the applications key in word. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On >> Behalf Of jim rawls >> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 11:24 PM >> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >> >> Mike, if the powers that be won't post it to the list, please send it to >> me. >> I just >> plain flunk out of the using ribbons class. I just don't know how to use >> it. >> Send >> it to: >> jazzpi...@ca.rr.com. >> Jim >> >> -Original Message
Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation
Hi David, Thank you very much for your explanation of the upper & lower ribbon structure. Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. - Original Message - From: david To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 5:42 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation hello; well here's my take on the ribbons, obviously, you have an upper and lower part of the ribbon. the upper part is primarily the various tabs, example: home, insert, page layout, etc, the lower part of the ribbon provides the various setting for each of the tabs. to access the settings, use the tab key, now you may hear things such as, 1 of 4, one of 8, so, by using the tab key, you'll stay in the lower part of the ribbon, and stay focused on the particular tab title. if you go to the top of the ribbon, now do a ctrl+tab, you will hear such things as, page numbers button, use the right arrow,or the tab key, word count, spelling and grammar button, etc, also, keep in mind, you can find many settings, access, when you use the applications key in word. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of jim rawls Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 11:24 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation Mike, if the powers that be won't post it to the list, please send it to me. I just plain flunk out of the using ribbons class. I just don't know how to use it. Send it to: jazzpi...@ca.rr.com. Jim -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mike B. Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 4:35 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation Hi Flor & All, I thank you very much for your input & ideas but, I found a little program called UBit that makes navigating the ribbons a much more simple endeavor! I'll send the information & steps I've typed up to the head honcho & let him make the decision on if it can be posted or not. Thank you all again. Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation Mike, I'll try this in general brief but rough summary, dealing with the idea of it. You're familiar with tab controls? The different pages (ctrl+tab) you get in multi-page dialog boxes? Well, ribbons are much the same as them. You can also right- or left-arrow between each of them. Now you have lower ribbons, or sub-ribbons, which will be accessed through their parent ribbons - often down-arrow from such if there's a sub-or lower-ribbon present on an option. The JAWS Virtual Ribbons are not the real Ribbons, and indeed, in some cases they rearrange many things in the structure and leave other things out. Another way to regard them is as if they were toobars activated with buttons. (You may recall Excel had plenty of those.) Now the good news is that there are many, many hot keys associated with the items in the Ribbons, that can be activated. However, it does take longer to accomplish a task i.e., more keystrokes, that formerly used to be a quite simple structural through the menu approach. Things are now more layered than they were, i.e. more vertical rather than linear. - Original Message - From: "Mike B." To: "Jaws-Users List" Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:09 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > Hi All, > > I'll get right to the point. The ribbons in Office 07 & up frustrate > the > hell out of me! I've been searching for a good tutorial that explains > the > ribbons, i.e, both upper & lower, & navigating the with without using > the > Jaws Virtual Ribbons option & I'm not having any luck. I just can't > get the > hang or get my head wrapped around on how to navigate ribbons & I > guess > it's high time I start living in the new world of Office! I would > really > like a tutorial that really breaks the ribbons & navigating them down > in > simple, easy to understand steps. I need something really simple > because > I'm certainly a knucklehead when it comes to this ribbons crap! LOL, > hahaha hahaha hahaha, LOL > > So folks, any help will be graciously accepted & greatly appreciated. > Thanks much. > Take care. > Mike > This email was sent from my, iBarstool. > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://
Re: [JAWS-Users] vipre total security
Hi Lenny, I run the Vipre Internet Security & it works great. Whether you want to run just the Anti Virus suite or the full Internet Security package will have to be a personal choice. Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. - Original Message - From: Lenny McHugh To: JFW List Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 10:16 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] vipre total security Since vipre works with jaws and has one of the best ratings I plan to go with it. I have never used a total protection package. Is that worth it? I know that internet explorer stops phishing sites and both my isp and windows live mail checks for spam is the total package really needed? I would assume that if vipre antivirus works with jaws that the rest of the total package will also work. --- Please visit my web page It’s motivational, inspirational with a touch of humor There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind http://www.LennyMcHugh.com International Brotherhood of Magicians member #43990R For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained
This wouldn't help in WLM, would it? Rich -Original Message- From: Mike B. Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:20 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained Hi Alan, I really can't comment. I've played around with MS products that have ribbons but, never really got serious about learning to navigate them. i.e; I have MSOffice 2010 & when using Word it took me forever to do simple changes but, I saved notes whenever possible, from whomever possible to make using Word 2010 easier for my needs but, now I'm finally getting a little more serious about the ribbon structure. I found a little program / App called Ubit that makes using the ribbons a lot like using the old menues. The link is below: http://www.ubit.ch/software/ubitmenu-languages/ I'm in the process of writing up the steps for Office 2007 & Office 2010 right now. This gem of an App / program really makes navigating the ribbons much, much, easier! Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. - Original Message - From: Alan Robbins To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained Mike, I have been using this since it came out in version 12. What I don't understand, and maybe you could comment, is why JAWS users that have difficulty with ribbons don't use the virtual option? Best, Al -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mike B. Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 10:52 AM To: Jaws-Users List Subject: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained Hi LeDon, I believe you wanted the Virtual Ribbons explained. Here you go, from Jaws training: The Virtual Ribbon Menu Feature - New in JAWS 12 Introduction The ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications being released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are now becoming more common in other applications tailored for the WindowsR 7 operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example, the lower ribbon contains groups of icons, sometimes arranged in several rows. When you press the ARROW keys to move between items in a group, you can skip items if there is a row above or below the one you are on. When pressing the ARROW keys or TAB, no indication is given when focus leaves one group and enters another. You cannot use first letter navigation in the ribbons, because pressing keys might activate ribbon key tips. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know if you should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item. The new virtual ribbon menu feature in JAWSR screen reading software provides predictable navigation, lets you see everything in the ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with the ARROW keys. For example, each group on the lower ribbon is treated as a submenu. Once you open the group submenu, you can press DOWN ARROW to move through all of the items within that group. When you reach the bottom of the items in that group, focus wraps back to the top item, and vice versa. You can also use first letter navigation in the virtual ribbon menu. Here are a few keystrokes to help you get started using the virtual ribbon menu: list of 6 items . Move from one ribbon tab to another, ALT to move to the first tab, then LEFT or RIGHT ARROW. JAWS reads the name of the tab as you move to it. . Move from an upper ribbon tab to the lower ribbon groups, DOWN ARROW or ENTER. JAWS announces and treats the lower ribbon groups as if they were submenus. . Open a ribbon group submenu, RIGHT ARROW or ENTER. . Navigate the items within each submenu, UP or DOWN ARROW, or first letter navigation. . Close a submenu, LEFT ARROW or ESC. . Move from the lower ribbon back to the upper ribbon, ESC. list end NOTE: One nice feature of the JAWS virtual ribbon menu is that when you activate an item and focus returns to the document or application you are working on, JAWS remembers where you just were on the ribbon. If you press ALT again, instead of having to go back to the upper ribbon and find your place again, JAWS goes right back to where it was previously, in the same group, and on the exact same control you were last on. I'll demonstrate all of these things to you, and you can practice along with me in just a few minutes. Also, just a reminder, whenever you want to pause the audio of this DAISY book, just press CTRL+P. When you are ready to resume, press CTRL+P again. Remember, you can leave the DAISY book in the background and use this keystroke to play or pause the audio while working on your practice documents in the foreground. When FSReader DAISY player is open, even in the background, use this keystroke to toggle the audio on and off. If you need to print something while FSReader is open, just go to the File menu and choose Print. Using the JAWS
Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation
hello; what happens if; 1, you go to the ribbon menu, 2, right arrow to mailings tab, 3, now just use the tab key one time, what do you hear; also, have you tried the shortcut, alt+m+e so, alt+m=mailings, e=envelope. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:18 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation Your instructions don't work for me. When I Hit Enter on the Mailings tab in Word 2007 using JAWS 9, and then press tab, the first item I land on is Labels, not Envelopes. Intuitively, you would think that by continuing to press the tab key, I would eventually land on the Envelopes option. But this is not the case. The only way I can reach Envelopes is to press Shift-Tab from the Labels option. Of course, a sighted person could see the juxtaposition of the Labels and Envelopes options. But there is no easy way for a blind person to find it unless he is clever enough to experiment with various key combinations and finds it by accident, or is told how to find it. That's why the JAWS virtual menu feature was developed. By the way, did you know that the popular Envelope Wizard feature from earlier versions of Word is not located on any Word 2007 menus, but can be launched only with the "secret" key combination Alt-T, then E, Z? Does hiding a popular feature like this make any sense? Gerald - Original Message - From: "david" To: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > hello; > > well; > if I were wanting to print out an envelope, > using word 2007, > > 1, menu right arrow until you hear mailing tab, > now, use the tab key, the first press of the tab key you will see/hear, > envelope. > now, press enter. > or, within the document, > press, > alt+m+e, > you don't press enter on the mailings tab, > however, if your using the jaws virtual ribbon feature, > > then after going to the menu, > right arrow to mailings tab, now press enter, > now right arrow one time, you will see envelope. > I don't use the jaws ribbon feature, so, I can use the shortcut keys. > > > > > -Original Message- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of Gerald Levy > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:55 AM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > > > It's not that simple. Here's a specific example of why the ribbon menus > are > > so maddening. Suppose I want to print an envelope using Word 2007, but I > can't recall the quick tip keys to access the Envelopes option on the > Mailings tab. First, I press Alt to bring up the menu tabs, then use > right > arrow to scroll to the Mailings tab and select it by pressing Enter. The > first item I encounter after pressing Tab is Labels. If I continue to tab > from this point, I will get dozens of options , but never encounter the > Envelopes option. However, if I navigate back to the Labels option and > then > > press Shift-Tab or Shift-left arrow, the Envelopes option magically > appears. > > This behavior certainly doesn't make any sense to me. Why doesn't the > Envelopes option appear when you keep pressing Tab? Why do you have to > press Shift-Tab from the Labels option to find it? And navigating the > ribbon menus in MS Office is one thing, but what about the ribbon menus > for > Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer which are used in Windows 8? This > is > a whole other ball game altogether. > > Gerald > > > - Original Message - > From: "david" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:42 AM > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > > >> hello; >> well here's my take on the ribbons, >> obviously, you have an upper and lower part of the ribbon. >> the upper part is primarily the various tabs, example: >> home, insert, page layout, etc, >> the lower part of the ribbon provides the various setting for each of the >> tabs. >> to access the settings, use the tab key, >> now you may hear things such as, 1 of 4, one of 8, >> so, by using the tab key, you'll stay in the lower part of the ribbon, >> and >> stay focused on the particular tab title. >> if you go to the top of the ribbon, >> now do a ctrl+tab, you will hear such things as, >> page numbers button, use the right arrow,or the tab key, >> word count, >> spelling and grammar button, >> etc, >> also, >> keep in mind, you can find many settings, access, >> when you use the applications key in word. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On >> Behalf Of jim rawls >> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 11:24 PM >> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >> >> Mike, if the powers that be won't post it to the list, please send it to >> me. >> I just >> plain flunk out of the using ribbons
Re: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained
Hi Alan, I really can't comment. I've played around with MS products that have ribbons but, never really got serious about learning to navigate them. i.e; I have MSOffice 2010 & when using Word it took me forever to do simple changes but, I saved notes whenever possible, from whomever possible to make using Word 2010 easier for my needs but, now I'm finally getting a little more serious about the ribbon structure. I found a little program / App called Ubit that makes using the ribbons a lot like using the old menues. The link is below: http://www.ubit.ch/software/ubitmenu-languages/ I'm in the process of writing up the steps for Office 2007 & Office 2010 right now. This gem of an App / program really makes navigating the ribbons much, much, easier! Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. - Original Message - From: Alan Robbins To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained Mike, I have been using this since it came out in version 12. What I don't understand, and maybe you could comment, is why JAWS users that have difficulty with ribbons don't use the virtual option? Best, Al -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mike B. Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 10:52 AM To: Jaws-Users List Subject: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained Hi LeDon, I believe you wanted the Virtual Ribbons explained. Here you go, from Jaws training: The Virtual Ribbon Menu Feature - New in JAWS 12 Introduction The ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications being released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are now becoming more common in other applications tailored for the WindowsR 7 operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example, the lower ribbon contains groups of icons, sometimes arranged in several rows. When you press the ARROW keys to move between items in a group, you can skip items if there is a row above or below the one you are on. When pressing the ARROW keys or TAB, no indication is given when focus leaves one group and enters another. You cannot use first letter navigation in the ribbons, because pressing keys might activate ribbon key tips. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know if you should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item. The new virtual ribbon menu feature in JAWSR screen reading software provides predictable navigation, lets you see everything in the ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with the ARROW keys. For example, each group on the lower ribbon is treated as a submenu. Once you open the group submenu, you can press DOWN ARROW to move through all of the items within that group. When you reach the bottom of the items in that group, focus wraps back to the top item, and vice versa. You can also use first letter navigation in the virtual ribbon menu. Here are a few keystrokes to help you get started using the virtual ribbon menu: list of 6 items . Move from one ribbon tab to another, ALT to move to the first tab, then LEFT or RIGHT ARROW. JAWS reads the name of the tab as you move to it. . Move from an upper ribbon tab to the lower ribbon groups, DOWN ARROW or ENTER. JAWS announces and treats the lower ribbon groups as if they were submenus. . Open a ribbon group submenu, RIGHT ARROW or ENTER. . Navigate the items within each submenu, UP or DOWN ARROW, or first letter navigation. . Close a submenu, LEFT ARROW or ESC. . Move from the lower ribbon back to the upper ribbon, ESC. list end NOTE: One nice feature of the JAWS virtual ribbon menu is that when you activate an item and focus returns to the document or application you are working on, JAWS remembers where you just were on the ribbon. If you press ALT again, instead of having to go back to the upper ribbon and find your place again, JAWS goes right back to where it was previously, in the same group, and on the exact same control you were last on. I'll demonstrate all of these things to you, and you can practice along with me in just a few minutes. Also, just a reminder, whenever you want to pause the audio of this DAISY book, just press CTRL+P. When you are ready to resume, press CTRL+P again. Remember, you can leave the DAISY book in the background and use this keystroke to play or pause the audio while working on your practice documents in the foreground. When FSReader DAISY player is open, even in the background, use this keystroke to toggle the audio on and off. If you need to print something while FSReader is open, just go to the File menu and choose Print. Using the JAWS Virtual Ribbon Menu as Opposed to the Microsoft Ribbon - Some Differences The virtual ribbon menus feature allows for ribbon navigation using standard menu type commands such as scrolling with the arrow k
Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation
Your instructions don't work for me. When I Hit Enter on the Mailings tab in Word 2007 using JAWS 9, and then press tab, the first item I land on is Labels, not Envelopes. Intuitively, you would think that by continuing to press the tab key, I would eventually land on the Envelopes option. But this is not the case. The only way I can reach Envelopes is to press Shift-Tab from the Labels option. Of course, a sighted person could see the juxtaposition of the Labels and Envelopes options. But there is no easy way for a blind person to find it unless he is clever enough to experiment with various key combinations and finds it by accident, or is told how to find it. That's why the JAWS virtual menu feature was developed. By the way, did you know that the popular Envelope Wizard feature from earlier versions of Word is not located on any Word 2007 menus, but can be launched only with the "secret" key combination Alt-T, then E, Z? Does hiding a popular feature like this make any sense? Gerald - Original Message - From: "david" To: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation hello; well; if I were wanting to print out an envelope, using word 2007, 1, menu right arrow until you hear mailing tab, now, use the tab key, the first press of the tab key you will see/hear, envelope. now, press enter. or, within the document, press, alt+m+e, you don't press enter on the mailings tab, however, if your using the jaws virtual ribbon feature, then after going to the menu, right arrow to mailings tab, now press enter, now right arrow one time, you will see envelope. I don't use the jaws ribbon feature, so, I can use the shortcut keys. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:55 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation It's not that simple. Here's a specific example of why the ribbon menus are so maddening. Suppose I want to print an envelope using Word 2007, but I can't recall the quick tip keys to access the Envelopes option on the Mailings tab. First, I press Alt to bring up the menu tabs, then use right arrow to scroll to the Mailings tab and select it by pressing Enter. The first item I encounter after pressing Tab is Labels. If I continue to tab from this point, I will get dozens of options , but never encounter the Envelopes option. However, if I navigate back to the Labels option and then press Shift-Tab or Shift-left arrow, the Envelopes option magically appears. This behavior certainly doesn't make any sense to me. Why doesn't the Envelopes option appear when you keep pressing Tab? Why do you have to press Shift-Tab from the Labels option to find it? And navigating the ribbon menus in MS Office is one thing, but what about the ribbon menus for Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer which are used in Windows 8? This is a whole other ball game altogether. Gerald - Original Message - From: "david" To: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation hello; well here's my take on the ribbons, obviously, you have an upper and lower part of the ribbon. the upper part is primarily the various tabs, example: home, insert, page layout, etc, the lower part of the ribbon provides the various setting for each of the tabs. to access the settings, use the tab key, now you may hear things such as, 1 of 4, one of 8, so, by using the tab key, you'll stay in the lower part of the ribbon, and stay focused on the particular tab title. if you go to the top of the ribbon, now do a ctrl+tab, you will hear such things as, page numbers button, use the right arrow,or the tab key, word count, spelling and grammar button, etc, also, keep in mind, you can find many settings, access, when you use the applications key in word. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of jim rawls Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 11:24 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation Mike, if the powers that be won't post it to the list, please send it to me. I just plain flunk out of the using ribbons class. I just don't know how to use it. Send it to: jazzpi...@ca.rr.com. Jim -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mike B. Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 4:35 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation Hi Flor & All, I thank you very much for your input & ideas but, I found a little program called UBit that makes navigating the ribbons a much more simple endeavor! I'll send the information & steps I've typed up to the head honcho & let him make the decision on if it can be posted or not. Thank you all again. Take care. Mike This email was
[JAWS-Users] vipre total security
Since vipre works with jaws and has one of the best ratings I plan to go with it. I have never used a total protection package. Is that worth it? I know that internet explorer stops phishing sites and both my isp and windows live mail checks for spam is the total package really needed? I would assume that if vipre antivirus works with jaws that the rest of the total package will also work. --- Please visit my web page It’s motivational, inspirational with a touch of humor There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind http://www.LennyMcHugh.com International Brotherhood of Magicians member #43990R For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained
ugh, thank you. I guess I need to listen to the entire reply before asking a question. thanks again -Original Message- From: Rick Justice Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:55 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained Hi Tom, The answer is in the message you replied to. HTH, Rick Justice Tomorrow's another day, another way! and if tomorrow never comes, problem solved! - Original Message - From: "Tom" To: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained how do I access the new virtual ribbon menu feature in JAWS? -Original Message- From: Mike B. Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:51 AM To: Jaws-Users List Subject: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained Hi LeDon, I believe you wanted the Virtual Ribbons explained. Here you go, from Jaws training: The Virtual Ribbon Menu Feature - New in JAWS 12 Introduction The ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications being released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are now becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows® 7 operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example, the lower ribbon contains groups of icons, sometimes arranged in several rows. When you press the ARROW keys to move between items in a group, you can skip items if there is a row above or below the one you are on. When pressing the ARROW keys or TAB, no indication is given when focus leaves one group and enters another. You cannot use first letter navigation in the ribbons, because pressing keys might activate ribbon key tips. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know if you should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item. The new virtual ribbon menu feature in JAWS® screen reading software provides predictable navigation, lets you see everything in the ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with the ARROW keys. For example, each group on the lower ribbon is treated as a submenu. Once you open the group submenu, you can press DOWN ARROW to move through all of the items within that group. When you reach the bottom of the items in that group, focus wraps back to the top item, and vice versa. You can also use first letter navigation in the virtual ribbon menu. Here are a few keystrokes to help you get started using the virtual ribbon menu: list of 6 items • Move from one ribbon tab to another, ALT to move to the first tab, then LEFT or RIGHT ARROW. JAWS reads the name of the tab as you move to it. • Move from an upper ribbon tab to the lower ribbon groups, DOWN ARROW or ENTER. JAWS announces and treats the lower ribbon groups as if they were submenus. • Open a ribbon group submenu, RIGHT ARROW or ENTER. • Navigate the items within each submenu, UP or DOWN ARROW, or first letter navigation. • Close a submenu, LEFT ARROW or ESC. • Move from the lower ribbon back to the upper ribbon, ESC. list end NOTE: One nice feature of the JAWS virtual ribbon menu is that when you activate an item and focus returns to the document or application you are working on, JAWS remembers where you just were on the ribbon. If you press ALT again, instead of having to go back to the upper ribbon and find your place again, JAWS goes right back to where it was previously, in the same group, and on the exact same control you were last on. I'll demonstrate all of these things to you, and you can practice along with me in just a few minutes. Also, just a reminder, whenever you want to pause the audio of this DAISY book, just press CTRL+P. When you are ready to resume, press CTRL+P again. Remember, you can leave the DAISY book in the background and use this keystroke to play or pause the audio while working on your practice documents in the foreground. When FSReader DAISY player is open, even in the background, use this keystroke to toggle the audio on and off. If you need to print something while FSReader is open, just go to the File menu and choose Print. Using the JAWS Virtual Ribbon Menu as Opposed to the Microsoft Ribbon - Some Differences The virtual ribbon menus feature allows for ribbon navigation using standard menu type commands such as scrolling with the arrow keys and first letter navigation. While virtual ribbon menus are enabled with JAWS, the built-in key tips and accelerator keys that appear visually on the ribbon and on the buttons are disabled. For example, to insert a bookmark in Microsoft® Word, here are the steps for both scenarios, one using the ribbon, and the second one using JAWS virtual ribbon menus: Using Microsoft Word Key Tips: list of 2 items • Using the built-in keyboard access in Microsoft Word, you would first press ALT+N to move to the Insert tab of the ribbon. • Next, you press the letter K, the Microsoft key tip to activate the bookmark button. list end Using JAWS Virtual Ribbon Me
Re: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained
How does virtual ribbons on/off apply in WLM? Rich -Original Message- From: Alan Robbins Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 12:52 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained Mike, I have been using this since it came out in version 12. What I don't understand, and maybe you could comment, is why JAWS users that have difficulty with ribbons don't use the virtual option? Best, Al -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mike B. Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 10:52 AM To: Jaws-Users List Subject: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained Hi LeDon, I believe you wanted the Virtual Ribbons explained. Here you go, from Jaws training: The Virtual Ribbon Menu Feature - New in JAWS 12 Introduction The ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications being released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are now becoming more common in other applications tailored for the WindowsR 7 operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example, the lower ribbon contains groups of icons, sometimes arranged in several rows. When you press the ARROW keys to move between items in a group, you can skip items if there is a row above or below the one you are on. When pressing the ARROW keys or TAB, no indication is given when focus leaves one group and enters another. You cannot use first letter navigation in the ribbons, because pressing keys might activate ribbon key tips. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know if you should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item. The new virtual ribbon menu feature in JAWSR screen reading software provides predictable navigation, lets you see everything in the ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with the ARROW keys. For example, each group on the lower ribbon is treated as a submenu. Once you open the group submenu, you can press DOWN ARROW to move through all of the items within that group. When you reach the bottom of the items in that group, focus wraps back to the top item, and vice versa. You can also use first letter navigation in the virtual ribbon menu. Here are a few keystrokes to help you get started using the virtual ribbon menu: list of 6 items . Move from one ribbon tab to another, ALT to move to the first tab, then LEFT or RIGHT ARROW. JAWS reads the name of the tab as you move to it. . Move from an upper ribbon tab to the lower ribbon groups, DOWN ARROW or ENTER. JAWS announces and treats the lower ribbon groups as if they were submenus. . Open a ribbon group submenu, RIGHT ARROW or ENTER. . Navigate the items within each submenu, UP or DOWN ARROW, or first letter navigation. . Close a submenu, LEFT ARROW or ESC. . Move from the lower ribbon back to the upper ribbon, ESC. list end NOTE: One nice feature of the JAWS virtual ribbon menu is that when you activate an item and focus returns to the document or application you are working on, JAWS remembers where you just were on the ribbon. If you press ALT again, instead of having to go back to the upper ribbon and find your place again, JAWS goes right back to where it was previously, in the same group, and on the exact same control you were last on. I'll demonstrate all of these things to you, and you can practice along with me in just a few minutes. Also, just a reminder, whenever you want to pause the audio of this DAISY book, just press CTRL+P. When you are ready to resume, press CTRL+P again. Remember, you can leave the DAISY book in the background and use this keystroke to play or pause the audio while working on your practice documents in the foreground. When FSReader DAISY player is open, even in the background, use this keystroke to toggle the audio on and off. If you need to print something while FSReader is open, just go to the File menu and choose Print. Using the JAWS Virtual Ribbon Menu as Opposed to the Microsoft Ribbon - Some Differences The virtual ribbon menus feature allows for ribbon navigation using standard menu type commands such as scrolling with the arrow keys and first letter navigation. While virtual ribbon menus are enabled with JAWS, the built-in key tips and accelerator keys that appear visually on the ribbon and on the buttons are disabled. For example, to insert a bookmark in MicrosoftR Word, here are the steps for both scenarios, one using the ribbon, and the second one using JAWS virtual ribbon menus: Using Microsoft Word Key Tips: list of 2 items . Using the built-in keyboard access in Microsoft Word, you would first press ALT+N to move to the Insert tab of the ribbon. . Next, you press the letter K, the Microsoft key tip to activate the bookmark button. list end Using JAWS Virtual Ribbon Menus: list of 4 items . In order to activate the button
Re: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained
Hi Tom, The answer is in the message you replied to. HTH, Rick Justice Tomorrow's another day, another way! and if tomorrow never comes, problem solved! - Original Message - From: "Tom" To: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained how do I access the new virtual ribbon menu feature in JAWS? -Original Message- From: Mike B. Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:51 AM To: Jaws-Users List Subject: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained Hi LeDon, I believe you wanted the Virtual Ribbons explained. Here you go, from Jaws training: The Virtual Ribbon Menu Feature - New in JAWS 12 Introduction The ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications being released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are now becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows® 7 operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example, the lower ribbon contains groups of icons, sometimes arranged in several rows. When you press the ARROW keys to move between items in a group, you can skip items if there is a row above or below the one you are on. When pressing the ARROW keys or TAB, no indication is given when focus leaves one group and enters another. You cannot use first letter navigation in the ribbons, because pressing keys might activate ribbon key tips. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know if you should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item. The new virtual ribbon menu feature in JAWS® screen reading software provides predictable navigation, lets you see everything in the ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with the ARROW keys. For example, each group on the lower ribbon is treated as a submenu. Once you open the group submenu, you can press DOWN ARROW to move through all of the items within that group. When you reach the bottom of the items in that group, focus wraps back to the top item, and vice versa. You can also use first letter navigation in the virtual ribbon menu. Here are a few keystrokes to help you get started using the virtual ribbon menu: list of 6 items • Move from one ribbon tab to another, ALT to move to the first tab, then LEFT or RIGHT ARROW. JAWS reads the name of the tab as you move to it. • Move from an upper ribbon tab to the lower ribbon groups, DOWN ARROW or ENTER. JAWS announces and treats the lower ribbon groups as if they were submenus. • Open a ribbon group submenu, RIGHT ARROW or ENTER. • Navigate the items within each submenu, UP or DOWN ARROW, or first letter navigation. • Close a submenu, LEFT ARROW or ESC. • Move from the lower ribbon back to the upper ribbon, ESC. list end NOTE: One nice feature of the JAWS virtual ribbon menu is that when you activate an item and focus returns to the document or application you are working on, JAWS remembers where you just were on the ribbon. If you press ALT again, instead of having to go back to the upper ribbon and find your place again, JAWS goes right back to where it was previously, in the same group, and on the exact same control you were last on. I'll demonstrate all of these things to you, and you can practice along with me in just a few minutes. Also, just a reminder, whenever you want to pause the audio of this DAISY book, just press CTRL+P. When you are ready to resume, press CTRL+P again. Remember, you can leave the DAISY book in the background and use this keystroke to play or pause the audio while working on your practice documents in the foreground. When FSReader DAISY player is open, even in the background, use this keystroke to toggle the audio on and off. If you need to print something while FSReader is open, just go to the File menu and choose Print. Using the JAWS Virtual Ribbon Menu as Opposed to the Microsoft Ribbon - Some Differences The virtual ribbon menus feature allows for ribbon navigation using standard menu type commands such as scrolling with the arrow keys and first letter navigation. While virtual ribbon menus are enabled with JAWS, the built-in key tips and accelerator keys that appear visually on the ribbon and on the buttons are disabled. For example, to insert a bookmark in Microsoft® Word, here are the steps for both scenarios, one using the ribbon, and the second one using JAWS virtual ribbon menus: Using Microsoft Word Key Tips: list of 2 items • Using the built-in keyboard access in Microsoft Word, you would first press ALT+N to move to the Insert tab of the ribbon. • Next, you press the letter K, the Microsoft key tip to activate the bookmark button. list end Using JAWS Virtual Ribbon Menus: list of 4 items • In order to activate the button using the virtual ribbon menus you first press ALT+N to move to the Insert tab of the ribbon. • Next, you would press DOWN ARROW or ENTER to go to the lower ribbon. • Once on the lower ribbon, you would press L to move to t
Re: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained
Mike, I have been using this since it came out in version 12. What I don't understand, and maybe you could comment, is why JAWS users that have difficulty with ribbons don't use the virtual option? Best, Al -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mike B. Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 10:52 AM To: Jaws-Users List Subject: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained Hi LeDon, I believe you wanted the Virtual Ribbons explained. Here you go, from Jaws training: The Virtual Ribbon Menu Feature - New in JAWS 12 Introduction The ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications being released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are now becoming more common in other applications tailored for the WindowsR 7 operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example, the lower ribbon contains groups of icons, sometimes arranged in several rows. When you press the ARROW keys to move between items in a group, you can skip items if there is a row above or below the one you are on. When pressing the ARROW keys or TAB, no indication is given when focus leaves one group and enters another. You cannot use first letter navigation in the ribbons, because pressing keys might activate ribbon key tips. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know if you should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item. The new virtual ribbon menu feature in JAWSR screen reading software provides predictable navigation, lets you see everything in the ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with the ARROW keys. For example, each group on the lower ribbon is treated as a submenu. Once you open the group submenu, you can press DOWN ARROW to move through all of the items within that group. When you reach the bottom of the items in that group, focus wraps back to the top item, and vice versa. You can also use first letter navigation in the virtual ribbon menu. Here are a few keystrokes to help you get started using the virtual ribbon menu: list of 6 items . Move from one ribbon tab to another, ALT to move to the first tab, then LEFT or RIGHT ARROW. JAWS reads the name of the tab as you move to it. . Move from an upper ribbon tab to the lower ribbon groups, DOWN ARROW or ENTER. JAWS announces and treats the lower ribbon groups as if they were submenus. . Open a ribbon group submenu, RIGHT ARROW or ENTER. . Navigate the items within each submenu, UP or DOWN ARROW, or first letter navigation. . Close a submenu, LEFT ARROW or ESC. . Move from the lower ribbon back to the upper ribbon, ESC. list end NOTE: One nice feature of the JAWS virtual ribbon menu is that when you activate an item and focus returns to the document or application you are working on, JAWS remembers where you just were on the ribbon. If you press ALT again, instead of having to go back to the upper ribbon and find your place again, JAWS goes right back to where it was previously, in the same group, and on the exact same control you were last on. I'll demonstrate all of these things to you, and you can practice along with me in just a few minutes. Also, just a reminder, whenever you want to pause the audio of this DAISY book, just press CTRL+P. When you are ready to resume, press CTRL+P again. Remember, you can leave the DAISY book in the background and use this keystroke to play or pause the audio while working on your practice documents in the foreground. When FSReader DAISY player is open, even in the background, use this keystroke to toggle the audio on and off. If you need to print something while FSReader is open, just go to the File menu and choose Print. Using the JAWS Virtual Ribbon Menu as Opposed to the Microsoft Ribbon - Some Differences The virtual ribbon menus feature allows for ribbon navigation using standard menu type commands such as scrolling with the arrow keys and first letter navigation. While virtual ribbon menus are enabled with JAWS, the built-in key tips and accelerator keys that appear visually on the ribbon and on the buttons are disabled. For example, to insert a bookmark in MicrosoftR Word, here are the steps for both scenarios, one using the ribbon, and the second one using JAWS virtual ribbon menus: Using Microsoft Word Key Tips: list of 2 items . Using the built-in keyboard access in Microsoft Word, you would first press ALT+N to move to the Insert tab of the ribbon. . Next, you press the letter K, the Microsoft key tip to activate the bookmark button. list end Using JAWS Virtual Ribbon Menus: list of 4 items . In order to activate the button using the virtual ribbon menus you first press ALT+N to move to the Insert tab of the ribbon. . Next, you would press DOWN ARROW or ENTER to go to the lower ribbon. . Once on the lower ribbon, you would press L to move to the Links submenu, using first le
Re: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained
While I appreciate what Freedom Scientific has done with jaws to make ribbon menus somewhat workable, if Microsoft had left things that weren't broken alone, none of this would have been necessary. The least they could have done, if they insist on forcing this navigation system on us, would to have made it logically laid out and navigable using standardization. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: "Mike B." To: "Jaws-Users List" Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:51 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained Hi LeDon, I believe you wanted the Virtual Ribbons explained. Here you go, from Jaws training: The Virtual Ribbon Menu Feature - New in JAWS 12 Introduction The ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications being released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are now becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows® 7 operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example, the lower ribbon contains groups of icons, sometimes arranged in several rows. When you press the ARROW keys to move between items in a group, you can skip items if there is a row above or below the one you are on. When pressing the ARROW keys or TAB, no indication is given when focus leaves one group and enters another. You cannot use first letter navigation in the ribbons, because pressing keys might activate ribbon key tips. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know if you should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item. The new virtual ribbon menu feature in JAWS® screen reading software provides predictable navigation, lets you see everything in the ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with the ARROW keys. For example, each group on the lower ribbon is treated as a submenu. Once you open the group submenu, you can press DOWN ARROW to move through all of the items within that group. When you reach the bottom of the items in that group, focus wraps back to the top item, and vice versa. You can also use first letter navigation in the virtual ribbon menu. Here are a few keystrokes to help you get started using the virtual ribbon menu: list of 6 items • Move from one ribbon tab to another, ALT to move to the first tab, then LEFT or RIGHT ARROW. JAWS reads the name of the tab as you move to it. • Move from an upper ribbon tab to the lower ribbon groups, DOWN ARROW or ENTER. JAWS announces and treats the lower ribbon groups as if they were submenus. • Open a ribbon group submenu, RIGHT ARROW or ENTER. • Navigate the items within each submenu, UP or DOWN ARROW, or first letter navigation. • Close a submenu, LEFT ARROW or ESC. • Move from the lower ribbon back to the upper ribbon, ESC. list end NOTE: One nice feature of the JAWS virtual ribbon menu is that when you activate an item and focus returns to the document or application you are working on, JAWS remembers where you just were on the ribbon. If you press ALT again, instead of having to go back to the upper ribbon and find your place again, JAWS goes right back to where it was previously, in the same group, and on the exact same control you were last on. I'll demonstrate all of these things to you, and you can practice along with me in just a few minutes. Also, just a reminder, whenever you want to pause the audio of this DAISY book, just press CTRL+P. When you are ready to resume, press CTRL+P again. Remember, you can leave the DAISY book in the background and use this keystroke to play or pause the audio while working on your practice documents in the foreground. When FSReader DAISY player is open, even in the background, use this keystroke to toggle the audio on and off. If you need to print something while FSReader is open, just go to the File menu and choose Print. Using the JAWS Virtual Ribbon Menu as Opposed to the Microsoft Ribbon - Some Differences The virtual ribbon menus feature allows for ribbon navigation using standard menu type commands such as scrolling with the arrow keys and first letter navigation. While virtual ribbon menus are enabled with JAWS, the built-in key tips and accelerator keys that appear visually on the ribbon and on the buttons are disabled. For example, to insert a bookmark in Microsoft® Word, here are the steps for both scenarios, one using the ribbon, and the second one using JAWS virtual ribbon menus: Using Microsoft Word Key Tips: list of 2 items • Using the built-in keyboard access in Microsoft Word, you would first press ALT+N to move to the Insert tab of the ribbon. • Next, you press the letter K, the Microsoft key tip to activate the bookmark button. list end Using JAWS Virtual Ribbon Menus: list of 4 items • In order to activate the button using the virtual ribbon menus you first press ALT+N to move to the Insert tab of the rib
Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation
hello; well; if I were wanting to print out an envelope, using word 2007, 1, menu right arrow until you hear mailing tab, now, use the tab key, the first press of the tab key you will see/hear, envelope. now, press enter. or, within the document, press, alt+m+e, you don't press enter on the mailings tab, however, if your using the jaws virtual ribbon feature, then after going to the menu, right arrow to mailings tab, now press enter, now right arrow one time, you will see envelope. I don't use the jaws ribbon feature, so, I can use the shortcut keys. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:55 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation It's not that simple. Here's a specific example of why the ribbon menus are so maddening. Suppose I want to print an envelope using Word 2007, but I can't recall the quick tip keys to access the Envelopes option on the Mailings tab. First, I press Alt to bring up the menu tabs, then use right arrow to scroll to the Mailings tab and select it by pressing Enter. The first item I encounter after pressing Tab is Labels. If I continue to tab from this point, I will get dozens of options , but never encounter the Envelopes option. However, if I navigate back to the Labels option and then press Shift-Tab or Shift-left arrow, the Envelopes option magically appears. This behavior certainly doesn't make any sense to me. Why doesn't the Envelopes option appear when you keep pressing Tab? Why do you have to press Shift-Tab from the Labels option to find it? And navigating the ribbon menus in MS Office is one thing, but what about the ribbon menus for Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer which are used in Windows 8? This is a whole other ball game altogether. Gerald - Original Message - From: "david" To: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > hello; > well here's my take on the ribbons, > obviously, you have an upper and lower part of the ribbon. > the upper part is primarily the various tabs, example: > home, insert, page layout, etc, > the lower part of the ribbon provides the various setting for each of the > tabs. > to access the settings, use the tab key, > now you may hear things such as, 1 of 4, one of 8, > so, by using the tab key, you'll stay in the lower part of the ribbon, and > stay focused on the particular tab title. > if you go to the top of the ribbon, > now do a ctrl+tab, you will hear such things as, > page numbers button, use the right arrow,or the tab key, > word count, > spelling and grammar button, > etc, > also, > keep in mind, you can find many settings, access, > when you use the applications key in word. > > -Original Message- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of jim rawls > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 11:24 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > > Mike, if the powers that be won't post it to the list, please send it to > me. > I just > plain flunk out of the using ribbons class. I just don't know how to use > it. > Send > it to: > jazzpi...@ca.rr.com. > Jim > > -Original Message- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of > Mike B. > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 4:35 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > > Hi Flor & All, > > I thank you very much for your input & ideas but, I found a little program > called UBit that makes navigating the ribbons a much more simple endeavor! > I'll send the information & steps I've typed up to the head honcho & let > him > > make the decision on if it can be posted or not. Thank you all again. > Take care. > Mike > This email was sent from my, iBarstool. > > - Original Message - > From: Flor Lynch > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 2:35 PM > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > > > Mike, > > I'll try this in general brief but rough summary, dealing with the idea > of it. You're familiar with tab controls? The different pages (ctrl+tab) > you get in multi-page dialog boxes? Well, ribbons are much the same as > them. You can also right- or left-arrow between each of them. Now you > have lower ribbons, or sub-ribbons, which will be accessed through their > parent ribbons - often down-arrow from such if there's a sub-or > lower-ribbon present on an option. The JAWS Virtual Ribbons are not the > real Ribbons, and indeed, in some cases they rearrange many things in > the structure and leave other things out. Another way to regard them is > as if they were toobars activated with buttons. (You may recall Excel > had plenty of those.) > > Now the good news is that there are many, many hot keys associated with > the items in th
Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation
Exactly. You would logically think that in order to get to something west of you, and you move east around the globe, you would eventually get there. But you cannot. Yet, move west from your origin, and you'll find it. It makes absolutely no sense at all. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: "Gerald Levy" To: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation It's not that simple. Here's a specific example of why the ribbon menus are so maddening. Suppose I want to print an envelope using Word 2007, but I can't recall the quick tip keys to access the Envelopes option on the Mailings tab. First, I press Alt to bring up the menu tabs, then use right arrow to scroll to the Mailings tab and select it by pressing Enter. The first item I encounter after pressing Tab is Labels. If I continue to tab from this point, I will get dozens of options , but never encounter the Envelopes option. However, if I navigate back to the Labels option and then press Shift-Tab or Shift-left arrow, the Envelopes option magically appears. This behavior certainly doesn't make any sense to me. Why doesn't the Envelopes option appear when you keep pressing Tab? Why do you have to press Shift-Tab from the Labels option to find it? And navigating the ribbon menus in MS Office is one thing, but what about the ribbon menus for Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer which are used in Windows 8? This is a whole other ball game altogether. Gerald - Original Message - From: "david" To: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation hello; well here's my take on the ribbons, obviously, you have an upper and lower part of the ribbon. the upper part is primarily the various tabs, example: home, insert, page layout, etc, the lower part of the ribbon provides the various setting for each of the tabs. to access the settings, use the tab key, now you may hear things such as, 1 of 4, one of 8, so, by using the tab key, you'll stay in the lower part of the ribbon, and stay focused on the particular tab title. if you go to the top of the ribbon, now do a ctrl+tab, you will hear such things as, page numbers button, use the right arrow,or the tab key, word count, spelling and grammar button, etc, also, keep in mind, you can find many settings, access, when you use the applications key in word. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of jim rawls Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 11:24 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation Mike, if the powers that be won't post it to the list, please send it to me. I just plain flunk out of the using ribbons class. I just don't know how to use it. Send it to: jazzpi...@ca.rr.com. Jim -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mike B. Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 4:35 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation Hi Flor & All, I thank you very much for your input & ideas but, I found a little program called UBit that makes navigating the ribbons a much more simple endeavor! I'll send the information & steps I've typed up to the head honcho & let him make the decision on if it can be posted or not. Thank you all again. Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation Mike, I'll try this in general brief but rough summary, dealing with the idea of it. You're familiar with tab controls? The different pages (ctrl+tab) you get in multi-page dialog boxes? Well, ribbons are much the same as them. You can also right- or left-arrow between each of them. Now you have lower ribbons, or sub-ribbons, which will be accessed through their parent ribbons - often down-arrow from such if there's a sub-or lower-ribbon present on an option. The JAWS Virtual Ribbons are not the real Ribbons, and indeed, in some cases they rearrange many things in the structure and leave other things out. Another way to regard them is as if they were toobars activated with buttons. (You may recall Excel had plenty of those.) Now the good news is that there are many, many hot keys associated with the items in the Ribbons, that can be activated. However, it does take longer to accomplish a task i.e., more keystrokes, that formerly used to be a quite simple structural through the menu approach. Things are now more layered than they were, i.e. more vertical rather than linear. - Original Message - From: "Mike B." To: "Jaws-Users List" Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:09 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation Hi All,
Re: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained
how do I access the new virtual ribbon menu feature in JAWS? -Original Message- From: Mike B. Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:51 AM To: Jaws-Users List Subject: [JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained Hi LeDon, I believe you wanted the Virtual Ribbons explained. Here you go, from Jaws training: The Virtual Ribbon Menu Feature - New in JAWS 12 Introduction The ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications being released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are now becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows® 7 operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example, the lower ribbon contains groups of icons, sometimes arranged in several rows. When you press the ARROW keys to move between items in a group, you can skip items if there is a row above or below the one you are on. When pressing the ARROW keys or TAB, no indication is given when focus leaves one group and enters another. You cannot use first letter navigation in the ribbons, because pressing keys might activate ribbon key tips. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know if you should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item. The new virtual ribbon menu feature in JAWS® screen reading software provides predictable navigation, lets you see everything in the ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with the ARROW keys. For example, each group on the lower ribbon is treated as a submenu. Once you open the group submenu, you can press DOWN ARROW to move through all of the items within that group. When you reach the bottom of the items in that group, focus wraps back to the top item, and vice versa. You can also use first letter navigation in the virtual ribbon menu. Here are a few keystrokes to help you get started using the virtual ribbon menu: list of 6 items • Move from one ribbon tab to another, ALT to move to the first tab, then LEFT or RIGHT ARROW. JAWS reads the name of the tab as you move to it. • Move from an upper ribbon tab to the lower ribbon groups, DOWN ARROW or ENTER. JAWS announces and treats the lower ribbon groups as if they were submenus. • Open a ribbon group submenu, RIGHT ARROW or ENTER. • Navigate the items within each submenu, UP or DOWN ARROW, or first letter navigation. • Close a submenu, LEFT ARROW or ESC. • Move from the lower ribbon back to the upper ribbon, ESC. list end NOTE: One nice feature of the JAWS virtual ribbon menu is that when you activate an item and focus returns to the document or application you are working on, JAWS remembers where you just were on the ribbon. If you press ALT again, instead of having to go back to the upper ribbon and find your place again, JAWS goes right back to where it was previously, in the same group, and on the exact same control you were last on. I'll demonstrate all of these things to you, and you can practice along with me in just a few minutes. Also, just a reminder, whenever you want to pause the audio of this DAISY book, just press CTRL+P. When you are ready to resume, press CTRL+P again. Remember, you can leave the DAISY book in the background and use this keystroke to play or pause the audio while working on your practice documents in the foreground. When FSReader DAISY player is open, even in the background, use this keystroke to toggle the audio on and off. If you need to print something while FSReader is open, just go to the File menu and choose Print. Using the JAWS Virtual Ribbon Menu as Opposed to the Microsoft Ribbon - Some Differences The virtual ribbon menus feature allows for ribbon navigation using standard menu type commands such as scrolling with the arrow keys and first letter navigation. While virtual ribbon menus are enabled with JAWS, the built-in key tips and accelerator keys that appear visually on the ribbon and on the buttons are disabled. For example, to insert a bookmark in Microsoft® Word, here are the steps for both scenarios, one using the ribbon, and the second one using JAWS virtual ribbon menus: Using Microsoft Word Key Tips: list of 2 items • Using the built-in keyboard access in Microsoft Word, you would first press ALT+N to move to the Insert tab of the ribbon. • Next, you press the letter K, the Microsoft key tip to activate the bookmark button. list end Using JAWS Virtual Ribbon Menus: list of 4 items • In order to activate the button using the virtual ribbon menus you first press ALT+N to move to the Insert tab of the ribbon. • Next, you would press DOWN ARROW or ENTER to go to the lower ribbon. • Once on the lower ribbon, you would press L to move to the Links submenu, using first letter navigation. The submenu opens, and focus is on the Hyperlink button. • Finally, you press B for Bookmark. list end The nice thing about this is that these keystrokes are easy to remember, because it is first letter navigation. If you are comfortable usin
[JAWS-Users] Virtual Ribbons Explained
Hi LeDon, I believe you wanted the Virtual Ribbons explained. Here you go, from Jaws training: The Virtual Ribbon Menu Feature - New in JAWS 12 Introduction The ribbon is a new style of menu available in many new applications being released today. Ribbons first appeared in Office 2007 programs, but are now becoming more common in other applications tailored for the Windows® 7 operating system. Ribbons create an accessibility challenge due to inconsistent navigation between various groups and items. For example, the lower ribbon contains groups of icons, sometimes arranged in several rows. When you press the ARROW keys to move between items in a group, you can skip items if there is a row above or below the one you are on. When pressing the ARROW keys or TAB, no indication is given when focus leaves one group and enters another. You cannot use first letter navigation in the ribbons, because pressing keys might activate ribbon key tips. Finally, because of a group's layout, you do not know if you should navigate up, down, left, or right to select an item. The new virtual ribbon menu feature in JAWS® screen reading software provides predictable navigation, lets you see everything in the ribbon, and offers consistency when navigating with the ARROW keys. For example, each group on the lower ribbon is treated as a submenu. Once you open the group submenu, you can press DOWN ARROW to move through all of the items within that group. When you reach the bottom of the items in that group, focus wraps back to the top item, and vice versa. You can also use first letter navigation in the virtual ribbon menu. Here are a few keystrokes to help you get started using the virtual ribbon menu: list of 6 items • Move from one ribbon tab to another, ALT to move to the first tab, then LEFT or RIGHT ARROW. JAWS reads the name of the tab as you move to it. • Move from an upper ribbon tab to the lower ribbon groups, DOWN ARROW or ENTER. JAWS announces and treats the lower ribbon groups as if they were submenus. • Open a ribbon group submenu, RIGHT ARROW or ENTER. • Navigate the items within each submenu, UP or DOWN ARROW, or first letter navigation. • Close a submenu, LEFT ARROW or ESC. • Move from the lower ribbon back to the upper ribbon, ESC. list end NOTE: One nice feature of the JAWS virtual ribbon menu is that when you activate an item and focus returns to the document or application you are working on, JAWS remembers where you just were on the ribbon. If you press ALT again, instead of having to go back to the upper ribbon and find your place again, JAWS goes right back to where it was previously, in the same group, and on the exact same control you were last on. I'll demonstrate all of these things to you, and you can practice along with me in just a few minutes. Also, just a reminder, whenever you want to pause the audio of this DAISY book, just press CTRL+P. When you are ready to resume, press CTRL+P again. Remember, you can leave the DAISY book in the background and use this keystroke to play or pause the audio while working on your practice documents in the foreground. When FSReader DAISY player is open, even in the background, use this keystroke to toggle the audio on and off. If you need to print something while FSReader is open, just go to the File menu and choose Print. Using the JAWS Virtual Ribbon Menu as Opposed to the Microsoft Ribbon - Some Differences The virtual ribbon menus feature allows for ribbon navigation using standard menu type commands such as scrolling with the arrow keys and first letter navigation. While virtual ribbon menus are enabled with JAWS, the built-in key tips and accelerator keys that appear visually on the ribbon and on the buttons are disabled. For example, to insert a bookmark in Microsoft® Word, here are the steps for both scenarios, one using the ribbon, and the second one using JAWS virtual ribbon menus: Using Microsoft Word Key Tips: list of 2 items • Using the built-in keyboard access in Microsoft Word, you would first press ALT+N to move to the Insert tab of the ribbon. • Next, you press the letter K, the Microsoft key tip to activate the bookmark button. list end Using JAWS Virtual Ribbon Menus: list of 4 items • In order to activate the button using the virtual ribbon menus you first press ALT+N to move to the Insert tab of the ribbon. • Next, you would press DOWN ARROW or ENTER to go to the lower ribbon. • Once on the lower ribbon, you would press L to move to the Links submenu, using first letter navigation. The submenu opens, and focus is on the Hyperlink button. • Finally, you press B for Bookmark. list end The nice thing about this is that these keystrokes are easy to remember, because it is first letter navigation. If you are comfortable using the Microsoft built-in keyboard commands, it may be best to leave the virtual ribbon menu feature off. The majority of people however have not memorized many of the Mic
Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation
Mike, I have office 20007. I would appreciate any help you can send. Jim -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mike B. Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 8:49 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation Hi Jim, What version of Office are you running? It seems that using Ubit in Office 2007 or Office 2010 may have slightly different steps. Also, the steps may vary just a touch when using the Ubit program in Power Point, Excel, or Word, & I need to work with the various programs to give Señor Ferrin the proper steps. I don't have Office 2013, as of yet, to work with but, possibly soon! I'm defintely a glutton for punishment! LOL, hahaha hahaha hahaha, LOL Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. - Original Message - From: jim rawls To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation Mike, if you gag help, send it along, because I don't get it either, as I said earlier. Jim -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mike B. Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 2:10 PM To: Jaws-Users List Subject: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation Hi All, I'll get right to the point. The ribbons in Office 07 & up frustrate the hell out of me! I've been searching for a good tutorial that explains the ribbons, i.e, both upper & lower, & navigating the with without using the Jaws Virtual Ribbons option & I'm not having any luck. I just can't get the hang or get my head wrapped around on how to navigate ribbons & I guess it's high time I start living in the new world of Office! I would really like a tutorial that really breaks the ribbons & navigating them down in simple, easy to understand steps. I need something really simple because I'm certainly a knucklehead when it comes to this ribbons crap! LOL, hahaha hahaha hahaha, LOL So folks, any help will be graciously accepted & greatly appreciated. Thanks much. Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation
It's not that simple. Here's a specific example of why the ribbon menus are so maddening. Suppose I want to print an envelope using Word 2007, but I can't recall the quick tip keys to access the Envelopes option on the Mailings tab. First, I press Alt to bring up the menu tabs, then use right arrow to scroll to the Mailings tab and select it by pressing Enter. The first item I encounter after pressing Tab is Labels. If I continue to tab from this point, I will get dozens of options , but never encounter the Envelopes option. However, if I navigate back to the Labels option and then press Shift-Tab or Shift-left arrow, the Envelopes option magically appears. This behavior certainly doesn't make any sense to me. Why doesn't the Envelopes option appear when you keep pressing Tab? Why do you have to press Shift-Tab from the Labels option to find it? And navigating the ribbon menus in MS Office is one thing, but what about the ribbon menus for Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer which are used in Windows 8? This is a whole other ball game altogether. Gerald - Original Message - From: "david" To: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation hello; well here's my take on the ribbons, obviously, you have an upper and lower part of the ribbon. the upper part is primarily the various tabs, example: home, insert, page layout, etc, the lower part of the ribbon provides the various setting for each of the tabs. to access the settings, use the tab key, now you may hear things such as, 1 of 4, one of 8, so, by using the tab key, you'll stay in the lower part of the ribbon, and stay focused on the particular tab title. if you go to the top of the ribbon, now do a ctrl+tab, you will hear such things as, page numbers button, use the right arrow,or the tab key, word count, spelling and grammar button, etc, also, keep in mind, you can find many settings, access, when you use the applications key in word. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of jim rawls Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 11:24 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation Mike, if the powers that be won't post it to the list, please send it to me. I just plain flunk out of the using ribbons class. I just don't know how to use it. Send it to: jazzpi...@ca.rr.com. Jim -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mike B. Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 4:35 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation Hi Flor & All, I thank you very much for your input & ideas but, I found a little program called UBit that makes navigating the ribbons a much more simple endeavor! I'll send the information & steps I've typed up to the head honcho & let him make the decision on if it can be posted or not. Thank you all again. Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation Mike, I'll try this in general brief but rough summary, dealing with the idea of it. You're familiar with tab controls? The different pages (ctrl+tab) you get in multi-page dialog boxes? Well, ribbons are much the same as them. You can also right- or left-arrow between each of them. Now you have lower ribbons, or sub-ribbons, which will be accessed through their parent ribbons - often down-arrow from such if there's a sub-or lower-ribbon present on an option. The JAWS Virtual Ribbons are not the real Ribbons, and indeed, in some cases they rearrange many things in the structure and leave other things out. Another way to regard them is as if they were toobars activated with buttons. (You may recall Excel had plenty of those.) Now the good news is that there are many, many hot keys associated with the items in the Ribbons, that can be activated. However, it does take longer to accomplish a task i.e., more keystrokes, that formerly used to be a quite simple structural through the menu approach. Things are now more layered than they were, i.e. more vertical rather than linear. - Original Message - From: "Mike B." To: "Jaws-Users List" Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:09 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation Hi All, I'll get right to the point. The ribbons in Office 07 & up frustrate the hell out of me! I've been searching for a good tutorial that explains the ribbons, i.e, both upper & lower, & navigating the with without using the Jaws Virtual Ribbons option & I'm not having any luck. I just can't get the hang or get my head wrapped around on how to navigate ribbons & I guess it's high time I start living in the new world of Office! I would really like a tutorial that really breaks the ribbons & navigating them dow
Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation
hello; well here's my take on the ribbons, obviously, you have an upper and lower part of the ribbon. the upper part is primarily the various tabs, example: home, insert, page layout, etc, the lower part of the ribbon provides the various setting for each of the tabs. to access the settings, use the tab key, now you may hear things such as, 1 of 4, one of 8, so, by using the tab key, you'll stay in the lower part of the ribbon, and stay focused on the particular tab title. if you go to the top of the ribbon, now do a ctrl+tab, you will hear such things as, page numbers button, use the right arrow,or the tab key, word count, spelling and grammar button, etc, also, keep in mind, you can find many settings, access, when you use the applications key in word. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of jim rawls Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 11:24 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation Mike, if the powers that be won't post it to the list, please send it to me. I just plain flunk out of the using ribbons class. I just don't know how to use it. Send it to: jazzpi...@ca.rr.com. Jim -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mike B. Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 4:35 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation Hi Flor & All, I thank you very much for your input & ideas but, I found a little program called UBit that makes navigating the ribbons a much more simple endeavor! I'll send the information & steps I've typed up to the head honcho & let him make the decision on if it can be posted or not. Thank you all again. Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation Mike, I'll try this in general brief but rough summary, dealing with the idea of it. You're familiar with tab controls? The different pages (ctrl+tab) you get in multi-page dialog boxes? Well, ribbons are much the same as them. You can also right- or left-arrow between each of them. Now you have lower ribbons, or sub-ribbons, which will be accessed through their parent ribbons - often down-arrow from such if there's a sub-or lower-ribbon present on an option. The JAWS Virtual Ribbons are not the real Ribbons, and indeed, in some cases they rearrange many things in the structure and leave other things out. Another way to regard them is as if they were toobars activated with buttons. (You may recall Excel had plenty of those.) Now the good news is that there are many, many hot keys associated with the items in the Ribbons, that can be activated. However, it does take longer to accomplish a task i.e., more keystrokes, that formerly used to be a quite simple structural through the menu approach. Things are now more layered than they were, i.e. more vertical rather than linear. - Original Message - From: "Mike B." To: "Jaws-Users List" Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:09 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > Hi All, > > I'll get right to the point. The ribbons in Office 07 & up frustrate > the > hell out of me! I've been searching for a good tutorial that explains > the > ribbons, i.e, both upper & lower, & navigating the with without using > the > Jaws Virtual Ribbons option & I'm not having any luck. I just can't > get the > hang or get my head wrapped around on how to navigate ribbons & I > guess > it's high time I start living in the new world of Office! I would > really > like a tutorial that really breaks the ribbons & navigating them down > in > simple, easy to understand steps. I need something really simple > because > I'm certainly a knucklehead when it comes to this ribbons crap! LOL, > hahaha hahaha hahaha, LOL > > So folks, any help will be graciously accepted & greatly appreciated. > Thanks much. > Take care. > Mike > This email was sent from my, iBarstool. > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] Jaws 15 SpeakingTwice in Emails
How can I stop jaws 15.056 on windows 7 using WM cclient and opening emails, if I don't quickly up arrow, jaws reads what is there 2 times, thiss is most annoying. Thanks for any help, Trish For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Unmuting with JAWS 14
oh, guess I misunderstood. - Original Message - From: "Flor Lynch" To: Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Unmuting with JAWS 14 No. I didn't say that really. Just that some systems have more than two speakers, and headphones used to be a separate category. (Maybe it still is.) you will learn a lot hby experimenting - your computer won't go extinct because of it! - Original Message - From: "Trish" To: Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Unmuting with JAWS 14 > Flor, > > On my laptop, I use external speakers, so are you saying, I would > still hear > sounds through them? > - Original Message - >>From: "Flor Lynch" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 3:58 PM > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Unmuting with JAWS 14 > > > On one theory, you would still had headphone sounds, if the speakers > referred to external speakers. Some systems do operaqe like that. > > - Original Message - >>From: "david" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 5:10 PM > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Unmuting with JAWS 14 > > >> hello there; >> >> the real give away in that dialog box is; >> mute speakers button, >> obviously, doing this, you will definitely have no sounds at all. >> I have never try the mute system sounds, so I don't know. >> >> >> -Original Message- >>>From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] >>>On >> Behalf Of Flor Lynch >> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 11:01 AM >> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Unmuting with JAWS 14 >> >> I have now answered my question, and David got it right. I'm not sure >> what the system sounds Mute really refers to, but it isn't the >> overall >> thing I had envisaged. (There are, of course, different tab controls >> in >> that dialogue.) >> >> - Original Message - >>>From: "Flor Lynch" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 12:51 PM >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Unmuting with JAWS 14 >> >> >>> But, which sounds was muted in the first place? Again. Anbd to >>> clarify. When I tab once into the volume dialogue after typing >>> sndvol >>> , on my Toshiba laptop using Windows7 there is the Mute Speakers >>> Button. The Mute System Sounds button is four tab key presses >>> further >>> on than that. >>> >>> - Original Message - From: "david" >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 12:00 PM >>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Unmuting with JAWS 14 >>> >>> Hello there; If your using windows 7, 1, after you've booted the computer, Wait a little bit for desktop to load. 2, now press, Windows+r=run, Type in: sndvol Press enter, Tab once, press the spacebar, This should unmute the sound. If you wish to put a shortcut to: Sndvol.exe, on your desktop try the following; 1, go to desktop, Windows key+m, 2, press the keystroke, Ctrl+spacebar, To unselect all icons. 3, press the applications key, and down arrow and enter on, New sub menu. 4, now arrow and enter on, New shortcut. 5, Now type the following in the edit box, sndvol.exe 6, tab next, press enter. You will see/hear; sndvol.exe your asked to give the shortcut a name, you can leave the sndvol.exe, or you could name it for example; volume. Tab finish press enter. Now, if you would like a hot-key, 1, desktop, Press the letter "s" until you hear, Sndvol.exe Or the letter "v" if you've named the shortcut volume, 2, now press alt+enter to bring up the properties, 3, tab until you hear; Shortcut key none, Here you could type s, or what ever letter you wish, Now press enter. Now you have a shortcut with a hot-key. -Original Message- >From: JAWS-Users-List >[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] >On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 10:03 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Unmuting with JAWS 14 That's the mute speakers button, by pressing the tab key once. The Mute System Sounds button is four tab further on than that, so you'd press the tab key five times to get to it. An easier command to type, is: from the Start (search box edit); sndvol . (You may remember sndvol32.exe on older Windows 32-bit systems.) You get straight to the dialogue box, typing less, that way. - Original Message - >From: "Ryan West" To: Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Unmuting with JAWS 14 > Hello Joni, > > If you are running windows seven you can: > 1. press start button > 2. type in adjust system volume and press ente
[JAWS-Users] problem with screen display
I am totally blind and have discovered I loaded a program and it messed up my screen display. How can I fix it a notification comes up and tells me I need to change the display but when I look at the display information I cannot see the numbers they mention. Is their any winds has a thing that will automize the display and get it corrected for me? I am using windows 7 and jaws 15. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
