RE: [JOYnet] SUICIDE
Dear JYs I have been following some of the mails on Suicide and I wish to share my views as under: I remember the time when my aunt (mom's sister) had committed suicide when I was very small. I didnt know then what Suicide was. I remember when I asked around why a person commits suicide I was given to understand that 'suicide' was another form of 'being a coward', a person unable to stand up to the challenges of life. For me the word 'coward' was very strong. Because no one likes being called a 'coward' or a 'darpok'. It was only later as I grew up did I realise what actually facing life and it challenges meant. That how easy it was to think of suicide when things didnt go ur way as Welchy had mentioned in her mail. For me I guess Committing a sin is like betraying Jesus. And we do read in the gospels there were two Apostles who betrayed Jesus. Both were aware that what they did was wrong. One repented and the other committed Suicide. The one who repented became a great apostle and the other we know his fate when he committed suicide. There is still hope in repentance and I guess if we commit suicide we lose out on this this hope. Now I have read the other mails and I do agree that in light of some facts we should share it with our spiritual fathers. I also do agree that we should not misinterpret the Holy Scripture. However I totally disagree that this should prevent us from sharing any such topics out here. It may deter some. But on the flip side we can gain valuable knowledge and experience from those whose faith are strong in Christ and have gone through such experience as Father Thomas has mentioned. I remember my brother telling me how useful the discussion of "taking prasad" which was shared out here was. On quoting scriptures. I do personally disagree with the fact that we should not quote them at all. How would we know what we are quoting is in the wrong context if we dont quote them at all. And I do see that we have so many wonderful Word ministers here that should we falter they are there to correct us. Right Ravi :) in prayers, Jefferson Mumbai "Bonny Thomas" wrote: I'm giving my full support to Baiju on his note.now its time to close this chapter as this is getting out of focusmoreover i would repeat as Baiju advised that we should get advise before we come to conclusions on topics like this and putting it over joynet. regards, bonny -Original Message- From: Baiju.T.F. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 23 July 2002 08:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [JOYnet] SUICIDE Dear Friends in Christ Jesus, I have been privileged to go through most of the mails posted on Joynet about suicide. I have a strong feeling, now that, the time has come to put an end to that particular. The reason being, the subject has gone out of our hands as I could see mis-interpretation of the Sacred Scripture. God has a particular reason for writing all those words in the Holy Bible and if we are trying to give our own explanations, we are trying to conquer the wisdom and intelligence of God the Father, which is quite impossible. By human mis-interpretations we are also sending wrong signals to certain class of people who are very much vulnerable to what they read in Joynet. Our dear friend Ravi has already written about it. Forgive me if I am questioning your liberty to write your comments on joynet. At the same time, I have a suggestions to make; before we put our comments with Scripture quotes on highly explosive subjects like suicide, murder, rape, abortion, homosexuality, etc. on Joynet let us seek the advice of our Spiritual Fathers as we are not sure in what context the readers will take as they will not be that much Spirit filled as the authors. Let us pray to the Holy Spirit to enlighten our wisdom & understanding, With Love & Prayers, Baiju.T.F. This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] o Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in *
RE: [JOYnet] SUICIDE
I'm giving my full support to Baiju on his note.now its time to close this chapter as this is getting out of focusmoreover i would repeat as Baiju advised that we should get advise before we come to conclusions on topics like this and putting it over joynet. regards, bonny -Original Message- From: Baiju.T.F. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 23 July 2002 08:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [JOYnet] SUICIDE Dear Friends in Christ Jesus, I have been privileged to go through most of the mails posted on Joynet about suicide. I have a strong feeling, now that, the time has come to put an end to that particular. The reason being, the subject has gone out of our hands as I could see mis-interpretation of the Sacred Scripture. God has a particular reason for writing all those words in the Holy Bible and if we are trying to give our own explanations, we are trying to conquer the wisdom and intelligence of God the Father, which is quite impossible. By human mis-interpretations we are also sending wrong signals to certain class of people who are very much vulnerable to what they read in Joynet. Our dear friend Ravi has already written about it. Forgive me if I am questioning your liberty to write your comments on joynet. At the same time, I have a suggestions to make; before we put our comments with Scripture quotes on highly explosive subjects like suicide, murder, rape, abortion, homosexuality, etc. on Joynet let us seek the advice of our Spiritual Fathers as we are not sure in what context the readers will take as they will not be that much Spirit filled as the authors. Let us pray to the Holy Spirit to enlighten our wisdom & understanding, With Love & Prayers, Baiju.T.F. This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOYnet] Suicide closely linked Unpleasant Sufferings
Dear friends.., Somehow I was reluctent to use the word 'suicide'. Simply b`cos it is a 'revenge' of hopeless against God. But 'Life is the reward of hopefull from God... Jesus welcomes all towards Him so the "All may have Life" Not simple life but "Life in its fullness" As Welchy said,once I thought about that..., but now I realise by His grace the value of sufferings Nothing can make me now to think about that 'phase'that I `ve to quit from this Abundant Life,But I wish to Die really... So that I can be with my Lord always ...Its my real Joy to be in Heaven (Free from all sufferings and enter the Eternal rest) [IMAGE]keep in touch[IMAGE] Love from Jesus & Dexon. Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOYnet] Suicide : A Query
Dear Friends, The following verse indicates that Our Lord went to the imprisoned spirits who lived before Jesus came to earth, so that, by the word preached to them, they too might have the chance to live. Just think, how could God be impartial, and let only those souls after Christ cameto earth, be saved ? The people who lived before Christ came on earth did not know him or that belief in Christ was salvation itself. So Our good God, who is impartail, went up to the imprisoned spirts after the work of salvation was done, so that they too would have a chance to know the saving grace. And so that during judgement, no one could say that they did not know Christ, and so be judged as per their belief or unbelief. 1 Peter 3:18 to 4:6 ..stated that God preaches to those who are already dead so that they might live in obedience to God in their lives as spirits. In short they are given another chance to be in God's fold. In Christ,seena Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOYnet] Suicide : A Query
ask for forgiveness... 2. Suicide is a question that must be left to God to judge. Medical scientists tell us that the brain lives for perhaps four or five minutes after the body dies; you can do a LOT of praying in that time. However, only God will judge anyone anyway. We can 'settle the question' for ourselves by believing in Jesus, but it is presumptious to attempt to condemn OR excuse anyone else. God alone knows their heart. 3. The question ask about suicide is a very good one. Some time ago I was called to the psyco ward at a local hospital. A young man had attempted to take his own life.I ask him if he had ever given his life to God, and he said he had.I told him that he would have had to take his life back from God's hands in order to destroy it. A few days later his mother came to see me at the church. She thanked me, and She told me that because of what I had said to her son, he would never again attempt suicide. Sometime later he died in an automobile accident. urs in faith Jason Mumbai If you don't want the fruits of sin, stay out of the devil's orchard. - Original Message - From: Alfred Samji To: Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 6:44 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: Re: [JOYnet] Suicide : A Query (My comments) > Hi friends, > Just wanted to put up my comments on this subject. We all know that suicide > is a sin. Killing whether it be of self or of another person of course is > condemned in the 10 commandments. The point now is whether praying for a > dead sinner makes any difference to the salvation of that person. In Matt > 12:32 Jesus Himself tells of an afterlife where sins will be forgiven. He > talks of two worlds where sins will be forgiven i.e. 'in this world' and > 'the world to come'. > > [M't:12:32: And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall > be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not > be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.] > > This clearly depicts of another world after the death of a person, where > sins can be forgiven i.e 'the world to come'. > > We also have proof in 1 Peter 3:18 to 4:6 where Peter from 3:18 goes on to > 4:6 and tells of how Christ after being killed on the cross visited the > 'spirits in prison' i.e the spirits of those who were disobedient in the > days of Noah. It is said that Christ went to them and preached the gospel to > them so that in their life as spirits they might 'live according to God in > the spirit'. > > [1Pe:3:18: For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the > unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but > quickened by the Spirit:19: By which also he went and preached unto the > spirits in prison;20: Which sometime were disobedient, when once the > longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a > preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. > 1Pe:4:6: For for this cause was the gospel preached also > to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the > flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.] > > This again depicts a world where God preaches to those who are already dead > so that they might live in obedience to God in their lives as spirits. In > short they are given another chance to be in God's fold. > We read in Genesis of how big the sins of those people spoken of here were. > > In the context of the Rich man who came to Jesus we see Jesus first telling > of how difficult it is for the rich to enter the kingdom and later goes on > to say 'With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.' > (M't:19:23 to 26). Our God is a loving God. His likeness is that of love. He > is full of mercy and compassion and it is solely because that He loves us > that He sacrificed His only Son on the cross to save us, to make us part of > His family. > > Our loving Father will not turn down an appeal for mercy by one of His own > children for another. Praise the Lord. > > > > Regards in Christ, > > Samji / Dubai If you don't want the fruits of sin, stay out of the devil's orchard. - Original Message - From: Jason Herbert To: Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 9:40 PM Subject: [JOYnet] Suicide : A Query > Dear JYs > > We have recently read the 2 Part mails of Father Thomas on whether Sucide is > a Sin or not. It was really a wonderful sharing. I had recently been for a > Retreat. There the Priest had mentioned that a Person committing Suicide is > as good as Handing over ur Soul to the Satan. > > My Question is : Considering that a person commits Suicid
Re: [JOYnet] Suicide : A Query (My comments)
Dear Alfred Samji and Dear JYs Reading Alfred's mail to my query was really inspiring. However I find some of these points relatively new to me. Maybe cause I have never come across any teaching on them. Take for example Alfred quoting 1 Peter 3:18 to 4:6 stated that God preaches to those who are already dead so that they might live in obedience to God in their lives as spirits. In short they are given another chance to be in God's fold. This is really new to me. Also quoting Mt:12:32 There is a reference to a World to Come. Now I do know that some denom like the Jehovahs really quote this part fluently. So what is this Comin World that Jesus Speaks about. Now when I had queried about Suicide in another list, these are some of the replies I got. 1. Suicide is murder and since your dead when you commit the sin you can't ask for forgiveness... 2. Suicide is a question that must be left to God to judge. Medical scientists tell us that the brain lives for perhaps four or five minutes after the body dies; you can do a LOT of praying in that time. However, only God will judge anyone anyway. We can 'settle the question' for ourselves by believing in Jesus, but it is presumptious to attempt to condemn OR excuse anyone else. God alone knows their heart. 3. The question ask about suicide is a very good one. Some time ago I was called to the psyco ward at a local hospital. A young man had attempted to take his own life.I ask him if he had ever given his life to God, and he said he had.I told him that he would have had to take his life back from God's hands in order to destroy it. A few days later his mother came to see me at the church. She thanked me, and She told me that because of what I had said to her son, he would never again attempt suicide. Sometime later he died in an automobile accident. urs in faith Jason Mumbai If you don't want the fruits of sin, stay out of the devil's orchard. - Original Message - From: Alfred Samji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 6:44 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: Re: [JOYnet] Suicide : A Query (My comments) > Hi friends, > Just wanted to put up my comments on this subject. We all know that suicide > is a sin. Killing whether it be of self or of another person of course is > condemned in the 10 commandments. The point now is whether praying for a > dead sinner makes any difference to the salvation of that person. In Matt > 12:32 Jesus Himself tells of an afterlife where sins will be forgiven. He > talks of two worlds where sins will be forgiven i.e. 'in this world' and > 'the world to come'. > > [M't:12:32: And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall > be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not > be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.] > > This clearly depicts of another world after the death of a person, where > sins can be forgiven i.e 'the world to come'. > > We also have proof in 1 Peter 3:18 to 4:6 where Peter from 3:18 goes on to > 4:6 and tells of how Christ after being killed on the cross visited the > 'spirits in prison' i.e the spirits of those who were disobedient in the > days of Noah. It is said that Christ went to them and preached the gospel to > them so that in their life as spirits they might 'live according to God in > the spirit'. > > [1Pe:3:18: For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the > unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but > quickened by the Spirit:19: By which also he went and preached unto the > spirits in prison;20: Which sometime were disobedient, when once the > longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a > preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. > 1Pe:4:6: For for this cause was the gospel preached also > to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the > flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.] > > This again depicts a world where God preaches to those who are already dead > so that they might live in obedience to God in their lives as spirits. In > short they are given another chance to be in God's fold. > We read in Genesis of how big the sins of those people spoken of here were. > > In the context of the Rich man who came to Jesus we see Jesus first telling > of how difficult it is for the rich to enter the kingdom and later goes on > to say 'With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.' > (M't:19:23 to 26). Our God is a loving God. His likeness is that of love. He > is full of mercy and compassion and it is solely because that He l
Re: [JOYnet] Suicide : A Query
Dear Alfred Samji and Dear JYs Reading Alfred's mail to my query was really inspiring. However I find some of these points relatively new to me. Maybe cause I have never come across any teaching on them. Take for example Alfred quoting 1 Peter 3:18 to 4:6 stated that God preaches to those who are already dead so that they might live in obedience to God in their lives as spirits. In short they are given another chance to be in God's fold. This is really new to me. Also quoting Mt:12:32 There is a reference to a World to Come. Now I do know that some denom like the Jehovahs really quote this part fluently. So what is this Comin World that Jesus Speaks about. Now when I had queried about Suicide in another list, these are some of the replies I got. 1. Suicide is murder and since your dead when you commit the sin you can't ask for forgiveness... 2. Suicide is a question that must be left to God to judge. Medical scientists tell us that the brain lives for perhaps four or five minutes after the body dies; you can do a LOT of praying in that time. However, only God will judge anyone anyway. We can 'settle the question' for ourselves by believing in Jesus, but it is presumptious to attempt to condemn OR excuse anyone else. God alone knows their heart. 3. The question ask about suicide is a very good one. Some time ago I was called to the psyco ward at a local hospital. A young man had attempted to take his own life.I ask him if he had ever given his life to God, and he said he had.I told him that he would have had to take his life back from God's hands in order to destroy it. A few days later his mother came to see me at the church. She thanked me, and She told me that because of what I had said to her son, he would never again attempt suicide. Sometime later he died in an automobile accident. urs in faith Jason Mumbai If you don't want the fruits of sin, stay out of the devil's orchard. - Original Message - From: Alfred Samji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 6:44 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: Re: [JOYnet] Suicide : A Query (My comments) > Hi friends, > Just wanted to put up my comments on this subject. We all know that suicide > is a sin. Killing whether it be of self or of another person of course is > condemned in the 10 commandments. The point now is whether praying for a > dead sinner makes any difference to the salvation of that person. In Matt > 12:32 Jesus Himself tells of an afterlife where sins will be forgiven. He > talks of two worlds where sins will be forgiven i.e. 'in this world' and > 'the world to come'. > > [M't:12:32: And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall > be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not > be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.] > > This clearly depicts of another world after the death of a person, where > sins can be forgiven i.e 'the world to come'. > > We also have proof in 1 Peter 3:18 to 4:6 where Peter from 3:18 goes on to > 4:6 and tells of how Christ after being killed on the cross visited the > 'spirits in prison' i.e the spirits of those who were disobedient in the > days of Noah. It is said that Christ went to them and preached the gospel to > them so that in their life as spirits they might 'live according to God in > the spirit'. > > [1Pe:3:18: For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the > unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but > quickened by the Spirit:19: By which also he went and preached unto the > spirits in prison;20: Which sometime were disobedient, when once the > longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a > preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. > 1Pe:4:6: For for this cause was the gospel preached also > to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the > flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.] > > This again depicts a world where God preaches to those who are already dead > so that they might live in obedience to God in their lives as spirits. In > short they are given another chance to be in God's fold. > We read in Genesis of how big the sins of those people spoken of here were. > > In the context of the Rich man who came to Jesus we see Jesus first telling > of how difficult it is for the rich to enter the kingdom and later goes on > to say 'With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.' > (M't:19:23 to 26). Our God is a loving God. His likeness is that of love. He > is full of mercy and compassion and it is solely because that He l
Re: [JOYnet] Suicide : A Query
Hi Joynetters, Again i would like to state that let us be cautious when we quote scripture.. Let us not quote for quoting sake.. and let us not quote with out understanding the meaning and context of the text.. Since it leads to confusion and fear among those who read ur mails.. Suicide is a sin against God because God has given us the stewardship of this body and our lives and not the ownership of it. It is Mortal Sin. Sin is commited against God and God is the final authority to decide whether he has to forgive or not forgive..Let us not try to limit or quantify the mercy of God. The Passage from 1Peter 3:18-4:6 has a specific context. It is meant as an exhortation to Christians especially those who are persecuted to keep the faith and remember that christ has triumphed over death and that in baptism they have been cleansed from sin just as during the flood it is shown that the earth was cleansed of all sinful people.. With God all things are possible..Let us assume the fact that god shows them his mercy in a way we dont know.. So let us keep Suicide victims in our prayers.. So that they may keep usin their prayers at out time of death.. Love and Prayers Ravi "JASON:)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear Alfred Samji and Dear JYs Reading Alfred's mail to my query was really inspiring. However I find some of these points relatively new to me. Maybe cause I have never come across any teaching on them. Take for example Alfred quoting 1 Peter 3:18 to 4:6 stated that God preaches to those who are already dead so that they might live in obedience to God in their lives as spirits. In short they are given another chance to be in God's fold. This is really new to me. Also quoting Mt:12:32 There is a reference to a World to Come. Now I do know that some denom like the Jehovahs really quote this part fluently. So what is this Comin World that Jesus Speaks about. Now when I had queried about Suicide in another list, these are some of the replies I got. 1. Suicide is murder and since your dead when you commit the sin you can't ask for forgiveness... 2. Suicide is a question that must be left to God to judge. Medical scientists tell us that the brain lives for perhaps four or five minutes after the body dies; you can do a LOT of praying in that time. However, only God will judge anyone anyway. We can 'settle the question' for ourselves by believing in Jesus, but it is presumptious to attempt to condemn OR excuse anyone else. God alone knows their heart. 3. The question ask about suicide is a very good one. Some time ago I was called to the psyco ward at a local hospital. A young man had attempted to take his own life.I ask him if he had ever given his life to God, and he said he had.I told him that he would have had to take his life back from God's hands in order to destroy it. A few days later his mother came to see me at the church. She thanked me, and She told me that because of what I had said to her son, he would never again attempt suicide. Sometime later he died in an automobile accident. urs in faith Jason Mumbai If you don't want the fruits of sin, stay out of the devil's orchard. - Original Message - From: Alfred Samji To: Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 6:44 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: Re: [JOYnet] Suicide : A Query (My comments) > Hi friends, > Just wanted to put up my comments on this subject. We all know that suicide > is a sin. Killing whether it be of self or of another person of course is > condemned in the 10 commandments. The point now is whether praying for a > dead sinner makes any difference to the salvation of that person. In Matt > 12:32 Jesus Himself tells of an afterlife where sins will be forgiven. He > talks of two worlds where sins will be forgiven i.e. 'in this world' and > 'the world to come'. > > [M't:12:32: And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall > be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not > be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.] > > This clearly depicts of another world after the death of a person, where > sins can be forgiven i.e 'the world to come'. > > We also have proof in 1 Peter 3:18 to 4:6 where Peter from 3:18 goes on to > 4:6 and tells of how Christ after being killed on the cross visited the > 'spirits in prison' i.e the spirits of those who were disobedient in the > days of Noah. It is said that Christ went to them and preached the gospel to > them so that in their life as spirits they might 'live according to God in > the spirit'. > > [1Pe:3:18: For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the > unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but > quickened by the Spirit:19: By which
Fwd: Re: Re: [JOYnet] Suicide : A Query (My comments)
Hi friends, Just wanted to put up my comments on this subject. We all know that suicide is a sin. Killing whether it be of self or of another person of course is condemned in the 10 commandments. The point now is whether praying for a dead sinner makes any difference to the salvation of that person. In Matt 12:32 Jesus Himself tells of an afterlife where sins will be forgiven. He talks of two worlds where sins will be forgiven i.e. 'in this world' and 'the world to come'. [M't:12:32: And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.] This clearly depicts of another world after the death of a person, where sins can be forgiven i.e 'the world to come'. We also have proof in 1 Peter 3:18 to 4:6 where Peter from 3:18 goes on to 4:6 and tells of how Christ after being killed on the cross visited the 'spirits in prison' i.e the spirits of those who were disobedient in the days of Noah. It is said that Christ went to them and preached the gospel to them so that in their life as spirits they might 'live according to God in the spirit'. [1Pe:3:18: For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:19: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;20: Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 1Pe:4:6: For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.] This again depicts a world where God preaches to those who are already dead so that they might live in obedience to God in their lives as spirits. In short they are given another chance to be in God's fold. We read in Genesis of how big the sins of those people spoken of here were. In the context of the Rich man who came to Jesus we see Jesus first telling of how difficult it is for the rich to enter the kingdom and later goes on to say 'With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.' (M't:19:23 to 26). Our God is a loving God. His likeness is that of love. He is full of mercy and compassion and it is solely because that He loves us that He sacrificed His only Son on the cross to save us, to make us part of His family. Our loving Father will not turn down an appeal for mercy by one of His own children for another. Praise the Lord. Regards in Christ, Samji / Dubai >From: "Paul M Mathew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Paul M Mathew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Re: [JOYnet] Suicide : A Query (My comments) >Date: 11 Jul 2002 05:35:36 - > >Hi Jennifer, Jason & JY's, >Interesting discussion ! >What if a person disobeys the very first law (i.e. prays to an idol) and >dies with his faith in the idol. Is there forgiveness still ? >Concerning this, there is this interesting chapter in the Bible: Maccabees >Chapter 12: v32-50. > >In short, Judas offered prayers and sacrifices (like 12000 drachmas of >silver to Jerusalem) for the sins of the dead. >and verse 49 says: It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for >the dead, that they may be loosed from sins. > >Praise be to our Merciful God, >Paul Mathew. > >On Mon, 08 Jul 2002 Jennifer wrote : >>Hi Jason & JY's, >> >>A very good question I must say. >> >>I was just pondering over this question after the death of one of my >>parishioner >>last week. Since I was praying for his soul...and I wondered >>whether my >>prayers wud really help him??? >> >>And as I pondered over this question, a thought came to meour God >>is an >>awesome God.He is very loving and forgiving. When we as human >>beings, >>we pray for the souls & feel that all souls shud be save..how much >>more >>will God the Creator must be wanting that all Souls shud be saved. We >>don't >>know what happens when a person faces death.I believe that in a >>fraction >>of time before the person breathes his last... God, most merciful >>gives the >>soul yet another chance to repent...and if the soul in those brief >>moments does repent ..will he still deserve hell Nothe >>soul >>will defintely be saved. And if the soul is in purgatory, then our >>prayers will &g
Re: Re: [JOYnet] Suicide : A Query (My comments)
Hi Jennifer, Jason & JY's, Interesting discussion ! What if a person disobeys the very first law (i.e. prays to an idol) and dies with his faith in the idol. Is there forgiveness still ? Concerning this, there is this interesting chapter in the Bible: Maccabees Chapter 12: v32-50. In short, Judas offered prayers and sacrifices (like 12000 drachmas of silver to Jerusalem) for the sins of the dead. and verse 49 says: It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins. Praise be to our Merciful God, Paul Mathew. On Mon, 08 Jul 2002 Jennifer wrote : >Hi Jason & JY's, > >A very good question I must say. > >I was just pondering over this question after the death of one of >my parishioner >last week. Since I was praying for his soul...and I >wondered whether my >prayers wud really help him??? > >And as I pondered over this question, a thought came to >meour God is an >awesome God.He is very loving and forgiving. When we as >human beings, >we pray for the souls & feel that all souls shud be >save..how much more >will God the Creator must be wanting that all Souls shud be >saved. We don't >know what happens when a person faces death.I believe >that in a fraction >of time before the person breathes his last... God, most >merciful gives the >soul yet another chance to repent...and if the soul in >those brief >moments does repent ..will he still deserve hell >Nothe soul >will defintely be saved. And if the soul is in purgatory, then >our prayers will >hel _ There is always a better job for you at Monsterindia.com. Go now http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOYnet] Suicide : A Query (My comments)
Hi Jason & JY's, A very good question I must say. I was just pondering over this question after the death of one of my parishioner last week. Since I was praying for his soul...and I wondered whether my prayers wud really help him??? And as I pondered over this question, a thought came to meour God is an awesome God.He is very loving and forgiving. When we as human beings, we pray for the souls & feel that all souls shud be save..how much more will God the Creator must be wanting that all Souls shud be saved. We don't know what happens when a person faces death.I believe that in a fraction of time before the person breathes his last... God, most merciful gives the soul yet another chance to repent...and if the soul in those brief moments does repent ..will he still deserve hell Nothe soul will defintely be saved. And if the soul is in purgatory, then our prayers will help the soul to receive Heavenly glory & so I feel that we should believe in the merciful Love of God which can never be comprehended by our human minds and keep praying for people who have died after commmitting suicide. Love & Prayers Jennifer. Fernandes Mumbai Jason Herbert wrote: > Dear JYs > > We have recently read the 2 Part mails of Father Thomas on whether Sucide is > a Sin or not. It was really a wonderful sharing. I had recently been for a > Retreat. There the Priest had mentioned that a Person committing Suicide is > as good as Handing over ur Soul to the Satan. > > My Question is : Considering that a person commits Suicide and knowing that > his Soul is as good as lost. Is then fruitful then praying for his Soul or > would it be waste to do so > > Please note i am not saying that it is waste to pray for any1. But > considering in this case of suicide or like euthanasia whatever the case may > be would it be fruitful then to pray for that soul. > > I would really love ur views on this. > > urs in faith > > Jason > Mumbai > > _ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. > To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To subscribe to this mailing list, visit > http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet > For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [JOYnet] Suicide is a fashion?
Dear friends, Dexon and Anitha commented very well. Jesus is the real answer for the problem. Let us think what we can do 1) Is it possible Jesus Youth to organize all Kerala campaign against Suicides? 2) We have lot of computer professionals. Is it good for think about a web site-- fighting against suicides: Through the site we can give counseling, advises etc, We can catch our Thomas Achan also.. Our dear Pope recently said: use the possibilities of the internet Eddy chettan, Joseph uncle, Mathew, CC, Chackochan chettan please come forward with your valuable comments. Another point is Prayer Cell. Considering the family problems lack of communication and sharing is a main factor. Few months back I read in Sunday Shalom. Fr.George Panackal (Divine Retreat Center) commented about family prayer cell. Due to some kind of mispractices KCBC had stopped the prayer cells in the initial stage. Instead of giving proper guidance and control we gave up the beautiful Christian practice. It was our big mistake. Are we ready to realize and re start the family prayer cells? (We have family units in some parishes. It is entirely different from family prayer cells) I came Bahrain in 1995. Since that time onwards I am actively involved in our prayer group. In addition, Last 2 year I am a member of a prayer cell including 6 families. I am experiencing the differences very well. Through the prayer cell we know each other as a family member (more than a family member). Sharing the problems. encouraging each other. praying together. eating togeher.. Rejoicing in the Lord abundantly. Through the prayer cells we will grow deep in the Christian fellowship and definitely it will attract other communities. Let us pray for the Holy Spirit to strengthen us in the faith and love so that we may be like early Christians. Prayers & love Jose Kuraikose-- Bahrain -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jose Kuriakose Sent: 04 June 2002 22:28 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [JOYnet] Suicide is a fashion? Suicide is a fashion? Or a Solution? Dear friends last 25 days I was just observing suicide cases reported on one of the malayalam daily news paper. As per that newspaper 126 cases reported. Within 25 days 126 persons suicides .The main reasons I found out from the cases are family problems, financial crisis. . etc etc I don't want to analysis the route reasons. Many of us know its impacts on our society. Share your thoughts about this social evil. How we can fight against this sin? What are the steps we can take? Is it possible Jesus Youth can take any vital steps? Pray over this topic and share your opinions in order to minimize the suicide ratio. Send your thoughts. It is our responsibility to react with current challenges of the society Prayers & love Jose Kuriakose -- Bahrain This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOYnet] Suicide is a fashion?
Dear friends, Suicide, whether a fashion or not is definetely a way of the cowards. I remember once a patient(around16 year old boy) i came across in mangalore It was the case mof tablet consumption. He had swallowed around 50 tablets(He did not know the names of those tablets) After the initial first aid, and a good stomach wash when he finally began improving, I took it u[pon my self to rehabilitate him back to health-health, physical, emotional and spiritual. One day after much prayer, when i approached this person and listened to the story of his broken heart(which was indeed broken by a girl), I asked him to plac his trust and faith in Jesus, because Jesus has said in the bible"... Well before i could continue, he , just in one breadth, told me various verses from the bible(along with chapter and verse number) where it speaks about the infinite love of God. And finally he added, "whats the use of all those words sister, they are good for preaching, but they dont solve our problems" (I learnt later that he was a guitarist in one of the reputed retreat centres and of course had spent his life hearing the word of God) Here, was indeed a young teenager who knew the bible word to word byheart but perhaps those soothing words of the bible, had only reached his mind and never his heart. Well, psycologists and psychiatrists may adequately provide the explanation that suicide is a result of decreased dopamine in the brain which leads to increased depression. But, the only cause of suicide, that i have ever known is " suicide is a result of decreased jesus in the heart which eventually leads to inferiorituy complexes, depressions and lack of ability to cope. The best 2 examples for this in the Bible are the story of Peter and of Judas Ischariot. The one with Jesus in his heart (PETER) after having betrayed Jesus, seeked his forgiveness and became the rock on which the entire church was built; but the one without Jesus(Judas) in his heart commited suicide by hanging himself , overcome with shame and guilt, after having betrayed Jesus. love, anita, kuwait. Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOYnet] Suicide is a fashion?
Hi friends.., Why people tends to do suicide.? They did for simple to complex reasons In my life also I thought about this onceit was due to the peaceless situation in my family due to financial crisis... Desperite due to hundreds of reasons...they tend to do so Jesus is only answer as I found in Him an answer for everything in my life. He would go for many solutions and never raise his eyes to the CreatorAs the psalmist says My help comes from the Lord who created heaven and earth.. But I saw people who trust God also desperite... and also see them rise again.B`cos God is their help... "Hope never dissappoint us" Reading this mail by hundreds of joynetters itself is a prayer smashed to heavenLord Altogether we pray for our brethrens who `ve desperite in this world now... show them the way of light and hope so that they find this earth a beutifull place to live.Amen Thanks Jose for raising them in prayer [IMAGE]keep in touch[IMAGE] Love from Jesus & Dexon.(S`pore) Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
