Re: [lace] exotic wood

2004-07-20 Thread Laceandbits
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 I would not recommend doing exotic wood sawdust either. Many a woodworker
 has found out that exotic woods can cause many allergies or illnesses

I'll second this one.  Doing the health and safety aspect of lace on a City  
Guilds many years ago, I phoned Richard Gravestock to ask him what he knew 
about the risk aspects of wood.  Although it's the fine dust particles in the 
air from turning that cause most of the problems rather than the bigger 
sawdust, some of the fine dust would get into the pillow and maybe more breakdown 
over the years.  And interestingly, he told me that one or more of the 
ordinary fruit woods like apple and plum are as bad - but I can't remember now which 
one(s) he said.

I'm not so sure about pet bedding but horse beddings are clean, pine 
shavings.  I would think that the finer stuff from the same process is bagged for 
hamsters etc.  It's not treated with any additions and I wouldn't think it has (or 
needs) any pre-sterilization.

Jacquie

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[lace] Exotic wood

2004-07-20 Thread Jean Nathan
Jacquie wrote:

I'm not so sure about pet bedding but horse beddings are clean, pine
shavings.  I would think that the finer stuff from the same process is
bagged for
hamsters etc.  It's not treated with any additions and I wouldn't think it
has (or
needs) any pre-sterilization.

Yes, it's pine specially made into shaving and sawdust for bedding pets and
horses, not a by-product from any other woodworking process. When I lived in
Essex many years ago we had the first factory producing shavings for horses
and used to buy bales of it direct from them as they came off the packing
machines. The machinery eating stripped pine tree trunks was in the same
huge shed. It was amazingly clean because the trunk went in one end and
bales of vacuum-packed shavings or sawdust, depending on which machine, came
out the other.

Jean in Poole

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[lace] pillows

2004-07-20 Thread Helene Gannac
 Ok..that is the second person who mentioned horsehair pillows...will
someone explain horse hair pillows to me??
 Cearbhael

Oh, Cearbhael, that sentence brought back regrets for me!!!We used to have
an old single horsehair mattress which came from my grandmother's house
when I was young. We took it to our country home as a spare, then I
decided I liked it (I like firm mattresses), and started using it. I used
to drag it on the terrace in front of my bedroom (French windows) in
summer to sleep on the terrace (no mosquitoes!!) It was heaven, with the
stars and the Milky Way above and not a noise around except for owls
hooting, as it was not a very populated place at that time. I wouldn't do
it now!
And my great regret is that my parents threw the mattress away after I
went to Australia, as it was getting really old, and no-one else was
enthused about sleeping on it :-) just think how many pillows I could have
made with that horsehair if we still had it!!!Weep, weep!

Instead, I use mostly polystyrene (or whatever it is :-) cookie pillows,
2 different sizes bought, including my original one which I still use 15
years or so later, but which is getting a big soggy on top (at $12.00, I
don't think it was a bad buy...). one has a copper bracelet on which needs
beading and finishing, the other one has a Xmas bookmark.

I have one fairly small(10-12 inch?) straw pillow which is very good, but
very heavy, so I don't like using it much, it's a sort of last resort
cookie pillow.

2 travelling pillows that I made, with a roller in the middle made with
the stuff you use to stuff soft toys. You just need to pack it hard, then
tease it out and repack it when it goes a bit soft, and I use removable
covers like Liz Ligeti, having also been to to dress all my pillows to
keep them clean. The shorter one has a fine edging on it for the small
angels appeal, the other one is packed up at present.

2 flat pillows, one just circular and fairly wide, the other with 3
removable blocks in the middle, which is useful to swap works when I go to
workshops. I've got an insertion on it at present which we are going to
use for a lace race next week when demonstrating at the Craft Fair in
Melbourne. that's been my favourite since I bought it.

My most cumbersome pillow is one which I bought years ago, before I knew
better.It's flat on top, with 3 and 1/2 blocks, with slopes on both sides
of the top, and it's built into a boxlike base which lifts up at one end
to reveal compartments where you can store your spare bobbins, threads and
probably lunch as well :-) I wouldn't know as it is much too heavy to take
anywhere, so I use it at home, where I don't really need the space for
bobbins, threads, etc...Still, it's a good pillow, and I've got a wide
torchon border on it at present, which only needs one and a half sides
done to be finished. Thenm I will have to stitch it on to material, which
will probably take another ten years :-(
My dream is to buy a new Le Puy pillow next time I go to France. I might
get it next year as a birthday and 25th wedding anniversary present, we'll
be in France when they happen, and I'm sure I can throw enough hints for
DH to trip over!!

I tried to make my own straw pillow years ago, but no-one had told me that
the straw had to be cut very fine, so it wasn't a success...It never even
got to the dressing stage :-)

Helene from Melbourne, who just realized she's got a few things to finish...

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[lace] needlelace

2004-07-20 Thread Helen Crews
Sorry, Linda, I did not see the note about learning needlelace, but seems you
got someone to give you ideas about books.  That is indeed a great book.  If
you have done the old button-hole stitch, you are in like Flynn!  All you need
now is to see how to couch the threads down on the material and pattern, and
just start in.  Your first will not be your best, aas in all needlework, but
you will learn so much with the simple patterns.  then just start in on your
own.  Any pattern will do.  It is the easiest lace to learn, and so much fun.
I may have to start another soon, I have to go to the car repair place, and
need something to keep my mind out of the pool hall!  It is easy to carry, I
use one of those nice carriers for makeup, they have zippered pouches, clear
plastic over them so you can see your materials, and easy to get things out
of.  If you have any questions, pleas feel free to ask.  I paint anyway, and
use my garden for inspiration.  I use tracing paper to paint on, it crinkles
up, and makes nice differences in t he paint.  It makes it more fun when you
go to buy threads, and easier to do the matching.  Then you can go crazy with
the pattern stitches!  Have fun, Helen, Virginia Beach

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Re: [lace] Lace Pillow Survey

2004-07-20 Thread Malvary Cole
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   I wonderhas anyone else who owns his pillows had any
dusty experiences?

I have a Simon Toustou pillow and so have many of our group.  I have never seen or 
heard of
any problem of his pillows leaking dust or sawdust.

Malvary in Ottawa

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[lace] Lace Pillow Survey

2004-07-20 Thread Tregellas Family
Hi Spiders,

I've been following the thread of the survey and replied privately
to Ruth Budge about the sawdust pillow queries.

Shirely, do you have trouble with dust coming from the sawdust
pillow?? 

Nope, never had any trouble whatsoever with dust coming from the
pillow.  When Jim made it he and Dad actually used the blow part of the
hoover constellation vacuum cleaner to blow in the sawdust so its rock hard
-  but I love it.  The sawdust came from a hardware store who sold indoor
(therefore not treated with arsenic or anything else) wood and had a
commercial saw for cutting to size  I can tension away till my hearts
content without the pillow ever moving.  :-)  When I've removed a finished
piece of lace I just lay a covercloth (upside down) on the floor, place the
pillow on it (upside down), take of my shoes and do a dance on the pillow
(it has an MDF base) and all the sawdust falls back into place, never a hole
in the middle at all.  Sure its heavy but it works for me.

Now, how many pillows do I have.h  two sawdust
pillows (I inherited Mum's smaller sawdust pillow), two foam cookies (don't
really like them at all) one styrofoam honiton pillow which I tie down to my
pillow stand as its very light, one travel pillow and one square (soon to be
made round) block ethafoam pillow.   Somebody mentioned that they had 500
bobbins  -  I'm not even going to go there!  Jim made so many bobbins for me
I daren't count them just in case I talk in my sleep.  :-)

Bye for now,
Shirley T. - Adelaide, South Australia where we will probably have a frost
tonight, only get about 5 frosty nights a year.

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Re: [lace] Lace Pillow Survey

2004-07-20 Thread Pat Frese
Second the motion...I ride at a show hunter barn where manes are pulled
regularly so we can braid for shows. It wouldn't take long to get enough to
stuff a small pillow.
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  Ok..that is the second person who mentioned horsehair pillows...will
 someone
  explain horse hair pillows to me??
 
  Cearbhael
 
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   I have 2 large Straw-filled cookie pillows - 24inch diameter. (A
couple
 of
   hours of blood, sweat, and tears to make each one, but they will
last
   forever!).
   I also have a beaut 18inch Horsehair cookie pillow, a single sided
 Honiton
   pillow, a small Travel pillow, a larger roller pillow ( thick felt on
a
   rolling pin, and mounted in a box, with a foam cushion cut to make the
   rest.), and a 10 inch square pillow, that fits into a polystyrene
  rest.
   This pillow is made from 2 thick felt pads, each about an inch deep,
so
 it
   is a 2 inch deep pillow. The felt pads were from underneath old manual
   typewriters. - Remember them???!!!  They make beaut pillows, and pins
 sit
   well in them, as the felt is so dense.  My big roller is made from the
 the
   same felt.
   I have a couple of Polystyrene foam squares made into pillows for
   demonstrations. - Good enough for the bandage in coloured threads,
and
  for
   folks to have a few minutes trial.
   They are kept stacked against the wall in the sewing room between
the
  wall
   and the sewing table.
  
   To Helen in Denver - perhaps you should lend your empty pillow to
your
   darling little daughter, and keep her interested in the craft!  The
  pricking
   could be offset towards the front, if the pillow is a bit big for her.
 ( I
   may have to think about buying her a pillow of her own for Xmas!!)
   And Yes, I Know - one of the Straw pillows was made for you, many
years
   ago! :))  You will have to come and get it, if you
  want
   it!! :))   :))
  
   from Liz in Melbourne, Oz,
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[lace] Re: lace pillow survey

2004-07-20 Thread PTobey
Coming out of lurk mode:
All my pillows are ethafoam so far:
I have one large cookie pillow, probably 22 or 24 inches,
3 smaller cookies of around 15 or 16 inches
One large square pillow (with three sloped sides) with two block inserts and 
some extras so I can keep moving the work up
One travel pillow that has a block and can take a roller
And one big block pillow, made from ethafoam blocks, 16 in all that fit in a 
square, that I made in a workshop, covering them myself. They can also be put 
in different configurations and held together by pinning ribbon around them 
and keeping them flat on a portabel drawing board. (I still have to make them 
some kind of frame)
So I guess the total is 7 so far. No 8, there is an antique roller that seems 
to be of packed wool that I have for display. (Forgot that one!)

And three of them have UFOs on them, one is for class, and the other two 
haven't been finished. They manage to get moved to the new house just fine, not a 
bobbin out of place, but still unfinished. LOL. And the large square pillow 
with inserts made it through a flood in the basement of the old house without 
any major damage. After the flood, I was glad I don't have any straw or sawdust 
pillows, even though my new and only mine craft room is on the second floor.

Pam in Virginia

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[lace] Midlands on flat pillows

2004-07-20 Thread J.Falkink-Pol
Robin P wrote:  Foam is too
light by itself, it needs a wood base to make the pillow sit still.  I don't
like it for Midlands bobbins because they lay flat on the flat surface and
are hard to grab, but Continentals have a narrow waist that sits above the
flat surface and so are easier to grab. 

I once solved that by padding my gatlap like a quilt. Well... as I'm not a
quilter I only stitched the edges. A gatlap is Dutch for a cover sheet
whit a hole in the center. The lace under the sheet, the bobbins through the
hole above the sheet prevents the threads catching earlier pushed pins. Now
I'm working hands up, folding the padded sheet into a half circle gives a
nice extension for my sometimes too small travel cookie (32cm 12 1/2).

Jo Falkink
http://www.xs4all.nl/~falkink/lace/hang-EN.html

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[lace] Pillow Stuffing

2004-07-20 Thread Judy
Dear Lacers,

I have read, with great interest, all the different types of materials used to
stuff lace pillows, both traditional and not.and thought I would
contribute my two cents.

My pillows are stuffed with excelsior.  That wood straw  that used to be used
to pack china.  It is fine enough to allow pins, less dusty to work with,
clean and holds pins as well as traditional straw without the effort of
chopping the straw.   I made my first pillow nearly 24 years ago and it is
still going strong.

If you are interested in making pillows with excelsior you might be able to
find it through an upholstery supply.  A couple of lacers in my group went
together and bought a bale which provided enough to make several pillows.

Happy lacing,

Judy Aycock in very hot and humid Houston, TX
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[lace] IOLI convention

2004-07-20 Thread Janice Blair
Adele asked if anyone was organising a meeting this year at convention.  I will 
hopefully be arriving on Tuesday afternoon (driving) and I have meetings on Wednesday 
evening and Thursday lunch as well as classes Wednesday morning, Thurs., Fri. and Sat. 
 If anyone locally is arranging for the room that is offered by the hosts please make 
sure there is a notice posted on the notice board (if any) so that we might be able to 
get together.  Does anyone know what the Taste of PA is on Thursday?  Does it mean 
we can count on not eating dinner?
Janice


Janice Blair
Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA

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[lace] OT, sawdust

2004-07-20 Thread Lynn Carpenter
I do know that one type of sawdust that is bad to use -- as horse bedding!
-- is walnut shavings.  I just read this in the county fair entry book.
The little explanation said it caused horses' hooves to delaminate.  Sounds
painful!

Lynn Carpenter in SW Michigan, USA
alwen at i2k dot com

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[lace] LePuy pillows

2004-07-20 Thread adelem . ward
Hi,
A couple of years ago I bought 3 'traditional' pillows from a fellow in 
LePuy. He has a web site. The pillows have rollers. The pillows are 
pretty but toxic to pins! The rollers are made with carpet scraps. 
Indoor-outdoor carpet with rubberized backing. No matter what kind of 
pins you use, they rust and actually disintegrate. It only takes 3 days 
to rust the pins and one month for them to disintegrate entirely. When 
I took the roller apart I found that the staples and nails used to keep 
the roll together had become pure rust.  I remade the roller. Buyer 
beware!
As for stuffing pillows with sawdust or animal bedding. The only kind 
that would not be a problem is called Aspen Bedding and Litter by 
Kaytee. Dust and oil are removed. My hamster, Martha, likes it.  I 
can't see using it for a pillow, but it might work. It comes in a 
compressed form. Any other animal bedding has oils which are trouble 
for Hamsters and other small animals and people, like me, with 
allergies.
See some of you in Harrisburg at the IOLI convention?
Adele Ward
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[lace-chat] Secret Pal ThanK you

2004-07-20 Thread Faye Owers
Dear Secret Pal,

Thank you very much for the lovely parcel that arrived today.

I love the bobbins they feel so nice in my hands, and I have all tried the
sweets and enjoyed then, the little fold up bag will come in very handy when I
go shopping as will the mini address book.  The postcard of all the regions in
France bought some fond memories of my visit in 2002, (after the last OIDFA
conference) and made my desire to go to Europe again next year stronger.

Thank you again
Regards
Faye Owers
Shearwater
Tasmania
Australia

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[lace-chat] Arthritis in thumbs

2004-07-20 Thread Sue Babbs
I'm sure this has been discussed before, but I haven't kept any of the
messages. My mum has developed arthritis in her thumbs which is stopping her
from safely lifting pans etc and of course means she can't do any craft
work.

She is wearing copper bracelets, but I was wonder if there were any other
ideas I could pass on to her

Sue

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[lace-chat] Humour

2004-07-20 Thread David Collyer
As the airliner pushed back from the gate, the flight attendant gave the 
passengers the usual information regarding seat belts, exits, etc. Finally, 
she said, Now sit back and enjoy your trip while Captain Judith Campbell 
and crew take you safely to your destination.
Joe sitting in the eighth row thought to himself, Did I hear her right? Is 
the captain a woman?
When the attendants came by with the drink cart, he said, Did I understand 
you right? Is the captain a woman?
Yes, said the attendant, In fact, this entire crew is female.
My God, said Joe, I'd better have two scotch and sodas. I don't know 
what to think of all those women up there in the cockpit.
That's another thing sir, said the attendant, We no longer call it the 
Cock-pit, it's now the Box-office.

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[lace-chat] Arthritis in thumbs

2004-07-20 Thread Jean Nathan
Sue, I sympathise with your mum. I didn't realise that RA doesn't affect the
topmost finger joints, and, what I thought was a flare up in some of them
that would settle, is developing osteoarthritis. I've also been told that I
must come off steroids, which I've been taking for the past 5 years, so
while my joints are starting to complain during the reduction and eventual
replacement with an increase in one of my other drugs, I'm having a bit of
difficulty gripping things because my thumbs are particularly painful.

What I've always been told is to get pain under control by taking the
maximum dose of painkillers to begin with. It's like coming downstairs with
pain at the top. You take a dose of painkillers and the pain comes down two
steps, as that dose wears off, the pain goes up one step. The next dose
bring you down two more steps and gradually up one as it wears off. So
eventually the pain will reach the bottom of the stairs, and you can start
taking a maintenance dose, or stop altogether if the cause of the pain has
been eased.

Transferring load to a larger joint is wise, so, for instance, instead of
trying to hold a cup and saucer with fingers, put it on a tray and rest the
tray across your lower arms so your elbows are taking the weight. Put
potatoes and other vegetables in the type of wire basket that you find in
chip pan, and put that in your saucepan of water. When the vegetables are
cooked lift out the vegetables in the basket, and then lift the saucepan and
water - lighter than vegetables, water and saucepan.

I don't believe in 'old wives tales' and alternative therapies - done't see
how they can work, but the physio' who treated me after my knee replacement
said that magnetic bracelets can work if you're sensitive to them, and not
everyone is. She said that all cells have a positive and a negative end, and
if they become misaligned you can experience pain. If you're sensitive to
magnets, then a magnetic bracelet can realign them and ease the pain. I had
a rigid open-ended one with a magnet at each end, and it worked. But I react
to some metals, and the bracelet caused intense irritation so I stopped
wearing it. However last week I found one made completely of magnetic beads
on memory wire so there's no metal to irritate. That too is giving me
relief.

Crafts gloves can help some people - like tight fitting mittens. I have soft
splints to wear during the day if I need to - they can be bought at disabled
living shops - and rigid ones for night time, but I don't wear them because
they make my hands more painful not less.

There's no way I'd give up my crafts unless they were impossibe.  I had to
give up knitting and learned bobbin lacemaking instead.  I pick the bobbins
up by the spangles - that's most comfortable for me. My rheumatologist said
last week It's your illness. How you manage it is entirely up to you. You
know what you can do and what you can't. You know what you're prepared to
sacrifice and what you're not, while still maintaining the quality of life
you want. You also know that if something cause you pain, it's proably not
doing you a lot of good, but again it's your choice.

Hope your mum finds something to give her relief.

Jean in Poole

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[lace-chat] Re: Weather

2004-07-20 Thread Lynn Carpenter
I have to say, I'm another who loves hearing about the weather in other
places.

Where I live in Michigan, we had a very wet spring, and the Grand River
near where my parents and brother live reached its highest level since the
1960's.  Lake Michigan recovered several inches of depth --we've been
having low water levels, and some people who bought waterfront property on
rivers that feed the lake found themselves looking out at mud flats these
last 5 years or so.  I forget how many millions or billions of gallons they
said it took to add an inch to the level of Lake Michigan.

This affects Lake Michigan shipping, and the ore and cargo freighters have
been loaded less heavily to avoid scraping bottom in the harbors and
channels.  Lots of money has been spent on dredging the channels deeper.

Last year we were adding on to our house (a geodesic dome-room with a
little bunker basement), and it seemed like every time the contractor put
his hand on the back hoe, it began to rain!

Today it's an overcast and steamy day, but we are still going to the beach
for our son's 5th birthday.

Lynn Carpenter in SW Michigan, USA
alwen at i2k dot com

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Re: [lace-chat] Weather

2004-07-20 Thread Steph Peters
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:34:50 +0100, Jean wrote:
Although he's 65 he's just bought his third
and most expensive mountain bike. Not that he rides on mountains, it's just
that it's got front fork suspension and suspension in the frame so it's vey
comfortable, and this one is very light (not on the pocket though) so he can
use his energy moving himself rather than the bike as well. Every fine day
that's fine throughout the year he's out in the morning and cycles about 25
miles with a break in the middle. He meets up with a group of similar aged
men at a coffee stall on the cliffs (must be a bit like Last of the Summer
Wine). 

Your husband is my nemesis - the cycling stealth pensioner.  They look quite
innocent, but there are us younger cyclists toiling up a hill puffing and
panting, while the cycling pensioner cheerily overtakes and chats with the
breath we don't have.  It's that doing it every day that gets them fit.  I'm
just hoping that when I retire I too can become one.  Jean might be pleased
to know that regular cycling adds about 10 years to normal life expectancy,
for men and women.
--
Jury - A group of 12 people, who, having lied to the judge about their health, 
hearing, and business engagements, have failed to fool him. 
Henry Louis Mencken
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[lace-chat] Cycling

2004-07-20 Thread Jean Nathan
Steph wrote:

It's that doing it every day that gets them fit. 

My husband had a heart attack in 1995, and since then has exercised for at
least 40 minutes a day for a minimum of 5 days a week. We have a motorised
treadmill, magnetic resistance exercise bike, and a continuous rowing
machine (he's finding that difficult now), which he uses if he can't get out
on his bike sufficiently. Strangely enough, he decided he wanted to live
after the heart attack, and has the discipline to keep exercising. I
haven't, even if arthritis would let me.

Jean in Poole

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Re: [lace-chat] Arthritis in thumbs

2004-07-20 Thread Alice Howell
At 10:44 AM 7/20/2004, you wrote:
Sue, I sympathise with your mum.

Me, too.  I have arthritis pains in my thumbs, off and on.  The initial 
attack was very painful.  I had to stop doing anything that put pressure on 
the thumb joints.
That was when I stopped knitting, crocheting, embroidery type 
crafts--anything that required constant tension by the thumb.  I could pick 
up the lace bobbins between my fingers if the thumb was too sore.  Lace has 
become my main hobby/interest in the past ten years.

With mine, I knew that it would eventually ease off some, though it never 
goes completely away.  If it hurts too much, I take an aspirin, but I don't 
like to do so if I can get away with it.  So far I only use aspirin and 
moaning.  For temporary relief, I have a spray-on pain relief that I put 
just on the joint that's hurting.  It will ease the pain for a couple 
hours.  Usually it has subsided by then so I don't have to reapply it.

My habits have been re-formed to use my fingers and palms to a greater extent.
Knobs can be turned with two palms if the thumb hurts.  Fingers can hold a 
pencil or mixing spoon.  Though I haven't figured out how to work my mouse 
without the thumb.  There must be a way, somehow.

Must get back to packing.  I'll be gone for 5 days.  My email will just 
stack up until I get back.  Probably DH will prune out the spam for me, but 
it will take a while to catch up then.

Happy lacing and less hurting,
Alice in Oregon -- in the middle of a heat wave.
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[lace-chat] Re: kangaroo meat

2004-07-20 Thread Barbara Stokes
Hello to all lacemakers, 
Jean could begin with kangaroo tail soup!
Barbara, Parkes Australia

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[lace-chat] show Tell

2004-07-20 Thread Elizabeth Ligeti
 Oh Jean!  That is priceless!! However did you refrain from
falling over laughing?!!

from Liz in Melbourne, Oz,
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