Re: [lace] Book Review for Left-handed Stitchers
Whilst it may be possible with embroidery, provided one can tell where the starts and finishes were, to tell if the worker were left or right handed in some cases, (dependent on which way round the worker had worked of course I used to finish off sewing for my Mum... she was a 'rightie' and I'm a 'leftie') I would say that it would be impossible to tell on lace, the prickings are worked the same way by either a left or a right handed person. Agnes I are both working the same Bedfordshire piece, and if one gets stuck the other can sort it out if need be, and no-one could tell! After all, it's the manipulation of thread that makes the lace, not the fingers of the individual! Knitting would be virtually impossible to tell, however it would be possible with crochet or in some cases tatting, although the use of a knitting nancy could be the other way round What do others think? Sue in EY On 9 Aug 2010, at 23:57, Margery Allcock wrote: I'm intrigued. Will the lace or embroidery made by a left-handed worker be identifiable as such, once finished? And will this enable the maker to be more nearly identified? I'm imagining future textile experts saying well, this was made by a left-handed person in the early 21st century, and we know of only a few of those ... Margery. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Book Review for Left-handed Stitchers
Yes, I see what you're saying, and I agree, especially with bobbin lace and knitting. I was thinking of hemstitching, blanket stitching, buttonholing; and then needle lace. Where with each stitch you can see where it came from. In which direction it was worked, really. Margery. = margerybu...@o2.co.uk in North Hertfordshire, UK = -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Sue Duckles Sent: Tuesday 10 August 2010 08:02 To: Margery Allcock Cc: jeria...@aol.com; lace@arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] Book Review for Left-handed Stitchers Whilst it may be possible with embroidery, provided one can tell where the starts and finishes were, to tell if the worker were left or right handed in some cases, (dependent on which way round the worker had worked of course I used to finish off sewing for my Mum... she was a 'rightie' and I'm a 'leftie') I would say that it would be impossible to tell on lace, the prickings are worked the same way by either a left or a right handed person. Agnes I are both working the same Bedfordshire piece, and if one gets stuck the other can sort it out if need be, and no-one could tell! After all, it's the manipulation of thread that makes the lace, not the fingers of the individual! Knitting would be virtually impossible to tell, however it would be possible with crochet or in some cases tatting, although the use of a knitting nancy could be the other way round What do others think? Sue in EY On 9 Aug 2010, at 23:57, Margery Allcock wrote: I'm intrigued. Will the lace or embroidery made by a left-handed worker be identifiable as such, once finished? And will this enable the maker to be more nearly identified? I'm imagining future textile experts saying well, this was made by a left-handed person in the early 21st century, and we know of only a few of those ... Margery. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Lamp ideas please
After two months of not making any lace (mostly due to the difficulty of getting lace stand close enough due to legs and having to get my DH to lift in and out of the cupboard, and find everything else I might need as well as all the other things he needed to do instead of me, or for me, g), but as I am now managing to get about with one of the crutches or none so was able to drag out my lightest pillow and put together things to take away with me this weekend. I spent an evening plus a couple of hours the next morning finishing winding bobbins and working one of my small pieces. Apart from the fact that I am not really happy with the dark dull thread I used, what I found incredibly difficult was working away from home where I use my angle poise lamp all the time. I need a lamp whatever colour I use, but certainly was needed for dark green, :-( We have limited space in our trailer caravan also often without mains electric so now I am on a quest to find a suitable lightweight lamp to use in future. I found an advert for a clamp on one which would do, but would prefer something I can maybe pin to my pillow, so wonder what others in the UK use? Sue T Dorset, UK Bobbin Lace and Glass engravings http://www.hurwitzend.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Re: knotting and tatting?
It so happens I have just been reading a book on Tatting: Technique and History by Elgiva Nicholls (a Dover reprint of a book first published in 1962). In the historical introduction she describes two portraits very similar to the one Yuko saw: It has been said that the employment of the shuttle shows off the worker's hands to greater advantage than any other instrument of needlework. In 1759 Sir Joshua Reynolds painted the Countess of Albermarle with a shuttle in her hand. The portrait is in the National Gallery. In the following year Anne Chambers, Countess Temple, was painted by Allan Ramsay. The sitter, who is wearing a tight, long-waisted dress profusely trimmed with lace, holds a rather large jewelled shuttle; her piece of work, to which the shuttle thread is attached, is concealed in the lace-trimmed 'pocket' suspended by a ribbon from the left wrist. Just such a pocket is visible in the French portrait. She confirms the earliest printed reference to tatting as 1843, but gives no convincing explanation as to where the word came from. Early in the 20th century, tatting enjoyed a revival spearheaded by Queen Marie of Roumania who, with her friend Lady Hoare, published The Art of Tatting in 1910. Full of original and inspiring designs, Nicholls calls it 'a milestone in tatting evolution'. So perhaps, as Hunting is referred to as 'the Sport of Kings', we should think of Tatting as 'the Craft of Queens' ! Bridget, from Pinner, UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Dragon
My copy arrived yesterday. What serendipitous timing! Hurray universe! Thank you, Lace! A happy camper, Sr. Claire On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 21:26, Jean Nathan j...@nathan54.freeserve.co.ukwrote: Sr. Claire was looking for a dragon. Got my copy of 'Lace' today and there are 2 lovely dragon patterns in it. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Lamp ideas please
I use a head-lamp (a bit like the old miners' lamps). There are several on Amazon UK, all for under £10.00. There is even a wind-up one, but otherwise they work on batteries. It's quite comfortable and the one I have has two different light strengths and a couple of different positions. It means you can focus directly on your work and not light the surroundings up. Pauline D. Chiseldon, Wiltshire -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Sue Sent: 10 August 2010 12:12 To: Arachne; bobbinl...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [lace] Lamp ideas please - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] IOLI vs OIDFA
Hello Lauren, sorry to correct you a bit. OIDFA takes part every second year and the next, in 2012, will be held in France in Caen. But in 2014 it's the turn of Australia. OIDFa is a worldwide association therefore the congress is every time in another country or perhaps continent. There only needle- and bobbin lace makers are members. IOLI is mostly for the US, but has members from other countries as well, there knitting, tatting, needle- and bobbin lace are included. Their congress takes part every year like most other state-level-associations. For more details wait for an American members answer. I am a member but have visited the congress so far only once. Ilske from Hamburg in Germany - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Lamp ideas please
Good light is always critical especially for us sensible and mature ones who are frequently the lace makers. Susie Johnson, the excellent Withof teacher, spent some time with us showing the advantages of an incandescent light bulb as opposed to a florescent light bulb, the incandescent being far superior. However, incandescent is going the way of other things. My interest switched to LED lights, and I finally asked one of my engineering children, forget which one, about how light was created in an LED, and he/she told me that LED's light is not created by vibration, indicating that it would be as good as an incandescent light source. To that end, I have put on my Amazon wish list the following... http://www.amazon.com/Verilux-Travel-Natural-Spectrum-Rechargeable/dp/B001A0M32C/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8coliid=I3F4EGIX8FNOR9colid=2ED585KZHTBFE figuring it would do the job. Haven't bought it yet, so I cannot vouch for it, but it seems to fill the bill. You probably have something similar on Amazon.co.uk, or elsewhere. If it doesn't pin to a pillow, I bet small holes could be drilled in the base to hold the pins, my intention. Please let us know your choice, as this is the second discussion I recall, and I've only been with arachne since the fall. Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania where the high is going to be obscene today, but my cleaning lady is coming to work magic on the house, and peaches are in full swing, so it's time for peach ice cream, after the peach pie. Went to Market, (Central Market, historic, yada yada) for the cream before 6 a.m. -Original Message- From: Sue hurwitz...@talktalk.net Sent: Aug 10, 2010 7:11 AM To: Arachne lace@arachne.com, bobbinl...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [lace] Lamp ideas please After two months of not making any lace (mostly due to the difficulty of getting lace stand close enough due to legs and having to get my DH to lift in and out of the cupboard, and find everything else I might need as well as all the other things he needed to do instead of me, or for me, g), but as I am now managing to get about with one of the crutches or none so was able to drag out my lightest pillow and put together things to take away with me this weekend. I spent an evening plus a couple of hours the next morning finishing winding bobbins and working one of my small pieces. Apart from the fact that I am not really happy with the dark dull thread I used, what I found incredibly difficult was working away from home where I use my angle poise lamp all the time. I need a lamp whatever colour I use, but certainly was needed for dark green, :-( We have limited space in our trailer caravan also often without mains electric so now I am on a quest to find a suitable lightweight lamp to use in future. I found an advert for a clamp on one which would do, but would prefer something I can maybe pin to my pillow, so wonder what others in the UK use? Sue T Dorset, UK Bobbin Lace and Glass engravings http://www.hurwitzend.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Lamp ideas please
Sue wrote: I found an advert for a clamp on one which would do, but would prefer something I can maybe pin to my pillow, so wonder what others in the UK use? I have a couple of booklights which work very well and aren't too large or heavy. One was from my sister, Jacquie, and came from the UK. It has a clip on the base so I put a piece of card through the clip and then pin the card to the pillow. I have a second one, which is smaller, but works just as well. The advantage is that you can bend them to exactly where you want. Malvary in Ottawa where the weather has moderated a little and it is only 28c today - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] knotting shuttles, Josephine knots
Hello All! Finally caught up with my tatting friend by phone last night. She lives in eastern Ohio teaches tatting in both Ohio Pennsylvania. She commented that not only were knotting shuttles highly decorative (jeweled, inlaid, carved etc), they were often given by gentlemen as a token of endearment. Her collection of vintage shuttles includes carved/etched mother-of-pearl, bone, tortoise shell etc. but none for knotting, so we wondered whether they might be rather expensive? We hope to meet for lunch this fall so I will take the 18th C Embr. Techn. book give it a try using a Tatsy (??) if I haven't found a knotting shuttle by then. As to the Josephine knots, she finishes tatted bookmarks with them. The twining cord makes for a charming, vintage look. Although she is not a member of arachne, she was very complimentary as she had met Mark somewhere. She mentioned a gentleman from Holland who tats designs as well. In the meantime, let's see if the library can find The Art of Tatting, circa 1910! Sincerely, Susan in Erie, PA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Fw: Re: [lace] Fiber familiarity
-Forwarded Message- From: lynrbai...@desupernet.net Sent: Aug 10, 2010 11:33 AM To: Tatman tat...@tat-man.net Subject: Re: [lace] Fiber familiarity Mark, what a discerning observation. I looked you up on facebook, and you're in Illinois? Doesn't matter what you're known for, if Americans see bobbin lace, they think it's tatting, but they don't necessarily know what tatting is, just that Grandma, or Great Aunt Gracie did it. I love the Chesapeake Region Lace Guild, who have a tatter demonstrating the difference between what she's doing, and what everyone else is doing when they demonstrate at the Smithsonian. Good for you for getting out there and exposing the American public to fiberarts of all sorts, especially bobbin lace. I got into making bobbin lace from one demonstration at a craft fair, and never looked back. Who knows whom you will inspire. I believe I saw it as a child in Brussels when we were vacationing, but I have no recollection of it, although I remember my mother buying lace doilies in Brussels for the living room. I think most Americans have come across spinning, we learned about it with the lifestyle of the Pilgrims and all that, so kids might be more attuned to that craft. Not sure why the dichotomy between onlookers and questioners, but it's a fascinating observation. Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, where we're expecting a high of 95F, 31C? Anyway, really hot. -Original Message- From: Tatman tat...@tat-man.net Sent: Aug 10, 2010 10:06 AM To: Lace list lace@arachne.com, bobbinl...@yahoogroups.com bobbinl...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [lace] Fiber familiarity These past two evenings my wife and I do our annual sitting at the Community Building at the county fair watching over the building. While we sit we can¹t be idle. So we bring projects. Sunday afternoon I brought my bobbin lace. I brought my big bolster with a tape lace project that is half done. I am most known for my tatting in my area. So I would get the usual comments of ³Is that tatting??² then I go into my usual dialog explaining what I am doing and how it works. Not too many kids stopped by to ask questions. Mostly adults asking questions. Last night I decided to bring my spinning wheel and work out my ongoing roving. This time the adults just watched me or just passed by with a glance. I concluded they either knew what I was doing and didn¹t ask questions or decided to just pass by. The kids(of all ages) however came right up to me asking me all types of questions about my wheel, they liked to handle the wool. I don¹t know if it is the apparatus that I am working with(ie. Pillow and bobbins, or massive wheel that looks like a machine) or could it be the project that I am working on, or the tedium of the task. Most adults say about my bobbin lace, ³that is too tedious, I could never do that² or ³you have to have good eyesight to do that². Kids don¹t say that. No convictions. But when I am at my wheel, I am just sitting in a relaxed position a good distance from the machine. Less stressful looking??? Less inhibiting?? Not that I am stressed or inhibited by all means when working my bobbin lace. I find both lacemaking and spinning relaxing. Sometimes to the point of almost falling asleep LOL! Spinning I assume is most recognizable in most areas and bobbin lace is not. And the machine you work on can also play a role in that. Most adults know what a spinning wheel is, but I find that kids may not if not exposed to that part of life history. Harder is it to find the familiarity in bobbin lace and its tools. I get the same wonder from passer-bys but the clientelle is different. Tonight is our last night for bringing our projects to work on while we sit at the building demonstrating. I plan on bringing my bobbin lace and see if I can finish that project. Doubt it, but I will see what more questions are asked and from whom and what will happen ;) -- Mark, aka Tatman website: http://www.tat-man.net blog: http://tat-man.net/blog Magic Thread Shop: http://www.tat-man.net/tatterville/tatshop/tatshop.html email: tat...@tat-man.net Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/tatmantats - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Fiber familiarity
I find it rather discouraging that the children are not interested in bobbin lace and the adults say it is too tedious. Is there some way we could demonstrate bobbin lace that would not provoke the tedious response? Mind you, these people are attending a county fair, not a rave, or a convention for people with short attention spans. The IOLI has professed a desire to recruit more members, especially youngish ones. I suggest that we adopt the slogan, Lace, it's not tedious. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] lamp ideas
The one I use is a portable one which uses batteries. Found it here on Amazon but I got mine at Hobby Lobby. It also has a little 2X magnifier which I use more than the light. The light has two LED and can be used with just one on, or both. It can clip onto things once removed from the base. The weighted base has a magnet but can just sit on the back of your pillow. The arms are bendy so will go in any position and it is light enough to go in a suitcase. JoAnne's in the US may also sell them. I got mine with a 40% off coupon at HL well over a year ago and have not needed to replace the batteries yet. I think LED uses less power and the box is about 6 x 3 x 2. http://www.amazon.com/Mighty-Bright-Vusion-Craft-Purple/dp/B001PSMNI8 Janice Blair Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA www.jblace.com http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Re: Fiber familiarity
I get the tedious comment no matter what handwork I am demonstrating(tatting, embroidery, etc.) General public want quick, fast, no fuss type of projects that somehow just get done by themselves and only require just a glance. Have you seen such a project??? LOL! Short attentions spans for sure. Such is this world where it is so fast you don't give time to slow down between life's episodes. As to this instance of kids not interested in bobbin lace, I think it is just the venue. Normally I demonstrate in period costume at our tent and it is a learning environment. But interesting to find the comments and interests in different venues out of the norm. Good slogan, Devon. Tatting does have a sloganTatting is KNOT a Lost Art ;) -- Mark, aka Tatman website: http://www.tat-man.net blog: http://tat-man.net/blog Magic Thread Shop: http://www.tat-man.net/tatterville/tatshop/tatshop.html email: tat...@tat-man.net Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/tatmantats On 8/10/10 11:46 AM, dmt11h...@aol.com dmt11h...@aol.com wrote: I find it rather discouraging that the children are not interested in bobbin lace and the adults say it is too tedious. Is there some way we could demonstrate bobbin lace that would not provoke the tedious response? Mind you, these people are attending a county fair, not a rave, or a convention for people with short attention spans. The IOLI has professed a desire to recruit more members, especially youngish ones. I suggest that we adopt the slogan, Lace, it's not tedious. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] lamp ideas
Janice Blair wrote: http://www.amazon.com/Mighty-Bright-Vusion-Craft-Purple/dp/B001PSMNI8 This is the one I use too. I can either clip it onto the table I use or, as Janice says, it can sit on the back of the pillow. I find the magnifier really useful and the light is sufficient most of the time. Lesley Marple UK where the weather has improved this afternoon. Pah to the hosepipe ban. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Re: Fiber familiarity
In a message dated 8/10/2010 1:04:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tat...@tat-man.net writes: I get the tedious comment no matter what handwork I am demonstrating(tatting, embroidery, etc.) General public want quick, fast, no fuss type of projects that somehow just get done by themselves and only require just a glance. Have you seen such a project??? LOL! Short attentions spans for sure. Such is this world where it is so fast you don't give time to slow down between life's episodes. But, then, why do we like it? There is something in the pleasure of it that we are not conveying. When I was the publicity director of the Secaucus convention, the reporter asked me again and again if we made lace because our grandmothers made lace. It was clearly the story she wanted to write, but I don't think that is the primary reason anyone makes it. I think I make lace because I like solving puzzles, just as my mother who never held a needle or bobbin in her hand was a dynamite crossword puzzle worker. In one lace class I attended, it seemed that everyone was a compulsive puzzle solver, even attending puzzle conferences. A friend of mine calls it The Mensa of the craft world, not a bad slogan in itself. I also like bobbin lace because it is like weaving, but you don't need a loom and the warp isn't fixed. Unlike embroidery, you actually make the fabric, creating it out of nothing. I like it because of the interesting fibers you can use, and the limitless shapes you can make. I like the feel of the bobbins swinging like pendulums So, what is it that we like about lacemaking and how do we convey it to other people? I think one massive barrier is that the word lace does not bring in the people who would be interested in a quick, portable, loomless weaving with endless possibilities for color, shape, weave structure and three dimensionality. Instead, the people who are attracted to lace lessons are imagining that they will make yards and yards of beautiful white lace of the refinement of the 18th century, or even yards and yards of lace like they see mass produced, only somehow nicer. Often, it is only a massive change in expectations that allows them to continue after they see what it is really like, and how unlikely the making of yardage is. Many, of course, quit as soon as they realize what they have really signed up for. Meanwhile, there must be people who would be attracted to the activity of making modern bobbin lace, but are not interested in making yards of white stuff, so they are not responding to advertisements for bobbin lace lessons. More and more, people are opting for contemporary looking lace, such that old stereotypes about what a person will be doing with their lace making hobby are not valid. Perhaps we should go with, Bobbin lace, the quick, versatile, weaving alternative that does not require a separate room in your house for a loom. Or Bobbin Lace, Weaving without the hassle. Or even, Bobbin Lace: Weaving set free! Or, Bobbin lace: Weaving on steroids. Why do other people on the list enjoy bobbin lace? We all live in the 21st century, after all. I can't believe we are that different than the rest of the population. My daughter, for instance, is spending massive amounts of time and patience learning how to make jewelry. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Re: Fiber familiarity
Anything I don't want to do is tedious. That includes housework and my job (some days). I make lace to have something productive to do with my hands. I make lace to carry on a beautiful tradition. I make lace to watch as the finished product appears from what started as mere pieces of thread. I can't draw and I don't paint very well. My other hobbies are also creative in the same kinds of ways. I make quilts, knit and crochet, and do working on both a lathe and a scrollsaw. All of these crafts end up with something completely different looking that the mere parts with which they started. I find sitting in a waiting room somewhere with a tatting shuttle in my hand is nearly an instant conversation starter. On 8/10/2010 1:50 PM, dmt11h...@aol.com wrote: So, what is it that we like about lacemaking and how do we convey it to other people? I love the steroids comment :D Perhaps we should go with, Bobbin lace, the quick, versatile, weaving alternative that does not require a separate room in your house for a loom. Or Bobbin Lace, Weaving without the hassle. Or even, Bobbin Lace: Weaving set free! Or, Bobbin lace: Weaving on steroids. Why do other people on the list enjoy bobbin lace? We all live in the 21st century, after all. I can't believe we are that different than the rest of the population. My daughter, for instance, is spending massive amounts of time and patience learning how to make jewelry. Devon -- Ruth R. in OH roxw...@krafters.net - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] lamp ideas
I have had some really good emails about the lamp ideas and although I also remember the thread of conversations recently I asked again because I wanted peoples experience of them, good, bad, or indifferent as well as me just looking at things on the internet. The feedback from you all about how they work in practise is always good, loved the ideas to hold it onto the pillow instead of or as well as the normal clamp on to table. My internet access for days has been rubbish, so I hope you will all accept this thanks via one email, I do appreciate it, but might manage to answer more tomorrow, if! it gets better. Again, many thanks. Sue T Dorset, UK Bobbin Lace and Glass engravings http://www.hurwitzend.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Fiber familiarity
I find people think we just make edgings and doilies and they aren't interested in them - they're old fashioned. I point out that I've only made an edging a couple of times and the same for doilies (mats). They then say, well what do you make then? I answer with examples such as Christmas decorations, wedding garters, hand fans, pictures, photo frames, 3D fantasy flowers, earrings and pendants, cake frills. That usually gets a raised eyebrow and Really? I didn't realise that. But it looks so complicated with all those bobbins. Doesn't matter how many bobbins you have on the pillow, you usually only work with 4 at a time, weaving one pair through the next pair, through the next pair, and so on. But it still doesn't often make them want to spend hours actually doing it. I like the process rather than the finished items. I too am a puzzle solver. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Fiber familiarity
Bobbin Lace: The Fiber Art for Puzzle solvers Bobbin Lace: Puzzles in thread Bobbin Lace: Fiber Art for the Active Mind. Bobbin Lace: The Fiber Art that tests your ingenuity. You don't know where it will take you. In a message dated 8/10/2010 2:45:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, j...@nathan54.freeserve.co.uk writes: I like the process rather than the finished items. I too am a puzzle solver. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Re: Fiber familiarity
In a message dated 8/10/2010 3:02:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lynrbai...@supernet.com writes: We live in a time when people want to do 'crafts' that are quick, frequently with glue guns. And that's fine. But there are people who are not interested in the quick and easy. Those who make those Fair Isle sweaters, or knitted lace shawls on size zero needles. They are few and far between now, possibly because there is more instant gratification, from TV, from the internet, from the way our culture functions, so the quick satisfaction becomes the standard. While there are certainly people who are actually attracted to projects that take a long time and are very picky, it is that characterization that has limited the growth of bobbin lace to a very small portion of the population. The question is, if that is not the kind of thing that appeals to you (and I can't say that doing things the hard way appeals to me) what is it that lace has to offer you? What is the gratification, if not instant? I actually find that when I am making lace, I often find myself in a zone, almost a hynotic trance where I have pleasant thoughts. I find that, for instance, I do not feel as great a need to eat compulsively when I am in this zone. The focus of hands and mind, especially in very difficult patterns, gives me a bit of a buzz. Bobbin Lace: Yoga with Thread Bobbin Lace: Where Fiber Art and Meditation Meet Bobbin Lace: Threaditation Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Re: Fiber familiarity
Vis a vis your observations about what appeals to children. When my daughter was an adolescent, I found myself winding embroidery floss onto card bobbins for easy access while she made elaborate Friendship Bracelets. Each one was more complicated than the last. Those Friendship bracelets were not that quick and easy, pinned to a background pad, and requiring a lot of knotting along a diagonal. I kept thinking, how is this really different than lacemaking? Every girl in her class had a box of embroidery floss and they even worked them while pinned to their back packs. Also, of course, there is the adolescent practice of elaborate lanyard weaving with plastic cord, something I had to relearn along with her I think most of us simply follow directions in this area That is puzzle solving behavior And, Devon, what was that enormous and complex piece of lace you were making at Betty's that time, in her entry hall? The Leicester Eagle or something? Using a shadow pricking or something? Definitely not a project for instant gratification. At the least, threaditation. That was a project that failed to deliver sufficient gratification. I cut it off. It was a Chantilly piece I had started ten years ago, but was unable to work without Ulrike standing over me. Finally, I faced reality, and I set the pillow free for other impossible projects. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] clarification
I had tried to include Lyn's comment that most of us follow directions and don't design, with the comment that following the directions is a problem solving activity. But, for some reason her comment didn't appear in my post. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Re: knotting and tatting?
WOW I stand corrected!! What a great websight, Lots to read, I have to rethink and alter my own thinking and also alter my demonstrations. From what I have read so far I am not sure when tatting was developed?? I am goint to have to take an evening and just read more.. Thanks for the heads up!! I will not assume from now on.. or I will try not to assume... LOL I will no longer put tatting and knotting in the same sentence... Faye Hegener, in Drumore, PA, it is a hot and muggy day again... of course it is August - Original Message - From: Tatman tat...@tat-man.net To: Lace list lace@arachne.com Sent: Monday, August 9, 2010 11:15:50 AM Subject: [lace] Re: knotting and tatting? For those that want to know more, from what my sources tell me, the first recorded statement of tatting is in 1834. And with most handiwork you can assume that it had a beginning of many years before that with teachings and word of mouth. If you want detailed research on the history and recorded history of tatting, go to Dan Rusch-Fisher's website. He documented the majority of sources that will debunk some of the myths about tatting and confirm its origins. Click here: http://www.tribbler.com/tatman/ Then scroll down and click on the MISC link. On the left sidebar you will see the HISTORY, IN PRINT, MYTHS, and ORIGINS of TATTING links to read more about it. Just an FYI, -- - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Fiber familiarity
Yoga with thread is a good description. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Fiber Familiarity
In a message dated 8/10/2010 4:04:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lhal...@bytemeusa.com writes: As for me, not only is it the puzzle solving aspect, but I find the actual working has an effect on my emotions. It is soothing and satisfying in a way that is hard to describe. The movements are hypnotic. So, we are really finding altered consciousness when we do this. Like zen, or using mind altering substances. Bobbin Lace: Tripping out, but legal Bobbin Lace: Better than Glue Sniffing Bobbin Lace: The Fiber Art that Blows your Mind - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Fiber familiarity
No, dear Devon, though your sentiments are admirable, your slogan is not. Of the four words in the slogan, tedious is by far the most immediately conspicuous, and that is what would be remembered. Try again, and maybe we can all try with you. Aurelia -Original Message- From: dmt11h...@aol.com Sent: Aug 10, 2010 12:46 PM To: lace@arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] Fiber familiarity I find it rather discouraging that the children are not interested in bobbin lace and the adults say it is too tedious. Is there some way we could demonstrate bobbin lace that would not provoke the tedious response? Mind you, these people are attending a county fair, not a rave, or a convention for people with short attention spans. The IOLI has professed a desire to recruit more members, especially youngish ones. I suggest that we adopt the slogan, Lace, it's not tedious. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Getting there, getting there
Yoga in thread! Now that's a big step forward. Until we think of something that's even better, Yoga in Thread sounds good. Let's try it and see what responses we get. Aurelia Cc: lace@arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] Re: Fiber familiarity In a message dated 8/10/2010 3:02:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lynrbai...@supernet.com writes: We live in a time when people want to do 'crafts' that are quick, frequently with glue guns. And that's fine. But there are people who are not interested in the quick and easy. Those who make those Fair Isle sweaters, or knitted lace shawls on size zero needles. They are few and far between now, possibly because there is more instant gratification, from TV, from the internet, from the way our culture functions, so the quick satisfaction becomes the standard. While there are certainly people who are actually attracted to projects that take a long time and are very picky, it is that characterization that has limited the growth of bobbin lace to a very small portion of the population. The question is, if that is not the kind of thing that appeals to you (and I can't say that doing things the hard way appeals to me) what is it that lace has to offer you? What is the gratification, if not instant? I actually find that when I am making lace, I often find myself in a zone, almost a hynotic trance where I have pleasant thoughts. I find that, for instance, I do not feel as great a need to eat compulsively when I am in this zone. The focus of hands and mind, especially in very difficult patterns, gives me a bit of a buzz. Bobbin Lace: Yoga with Thread Bobbin Lace: Where Fiber Art and Meditation Meet Bobbin Lace: Threaditation Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Fiber familiarity
Jean's I too am a puzzle solver took me back to the first time I spoke to the lady who was to become my lace tutor for many years, she asked me do you like jigsaw puzzles? I said that I did, she said then you will enjoy lacemaking, sadly now she has Alzheimer's and all the lovely lace she made is a thing long gone from her, sometimes life is just not fair is it? Sue M Harvey Norfolk UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Fiber familiarity
I get the same exact reactions and comments. I do the same crafts. I find that kids love the wheel and get the same comments from the adults regarding the bobbinlace. And of course the usual question Oh is that tatting! LOL Faye Hegener, Drumore, PA - Original Message - From: Tatman tat...@tat-man.net To: Lace list lace@arachne.com, bobbinl...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 10:06:19 AM Subject: [lace] Fiber familiarity These past two evenings my wife and I do our annual sitting at the Community Building at the county fair watching over the building. While we sit we can¹t be idle. So we bring projects. Sunday afternoon I brought my bobbin lace. I brought my big bolster with a tape lace project that is half done. I am most known for my tatting in my area. So I would get the usual comments of ³Is that tatting??² then I go into my usual dialog explaining what I am doing and how it works. Not too many kids stopped by to ask questions. Mostly adults asking questions. Last night I decided to bring my spinning wheel and work out my ongoing roving. This time the adults just watched me or just passed by with a glance. I concluded they either knew what I was doing and didn¹t ask questions or decided to just pass by. The kids(of all ages) however came right up to me asking me all types of questions about my wheel, they liked to handle the wool. I don¹t know if it is the apparatus that I am working with(ie. Pillow and bobbins, or massive wheel that looks like a machine) or could it be the project that I am working on, or the tedium of the task. Most adults say about my bobbin lace, ³that is too tedious, I could never do that² or ³you have to have good eyesight to do that². Kids don¹t say that. No convictions. But when I am at my wheel, I am just sitting in a relaxed position a good distance from the machine. Less stressful looking??? Less inhibiting?? Not that I am stressed or inhibited by all means when working my bobbin lace. I find both lacemaking and spinning relaxing. Sometimes to the point of almost falling asleep LOL! Spinning I assume is most recognizable in most areas and bobbin lace is not. And the machine you work on can also play a role in that. Most adults know what a spinning wheel is, but I find that kids may not if not exposed to that part of life history. Harder is it to find the familiarity in bobbin lace and its tools. I get the same wonder from passer-bys but the clientelle is different. Tonight is our last night for bringing our projects to work on while we sit at the building demonstrating. I plan on bringing my bobbin lace and see if I can finish that project. Doubt it, but I will see what more questions are asked and from whom and what will happen ;) -- - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] knotting shuttles, Josephine knots
I will have to try to end a bookmark with the josephine knots... It would look pretty Faye - Original Message - From: hottl...@neo.rr.com To: lace@arachne.com Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 9:38:17 AM Subject: [lace] knotting shuttles, Josephine knots Hello All! Finally caught up with my tatting friend by phone last night. She lives in eastern Ohio teaches tatting in both Ohio Pennsylvania. She commented that not only were knotting shuttles highly decorative (jeweled, inlaid, carved etc), they were often given by gentlemen as a token of endearment. Her collection of vintage shuttles includes carved/etched mother-of-pearl, bone, tortoise shell etc. but none for knotting, so we wondered whether they might be rather expensive? We hope to meet for lunch this fall so I will take the 18th C Embr. Techn. book give it a try using a Tatsy (??) if I haven't found a knotting shuttle by then. As to the Josephine knots, she finishes tatted bookmarks with them. The twining cord makes for a charming, vintage look. Although she is not a member of arachne, she was very complimentary as she had met Mark somewhere. She mentioned a gentleman from Holland who tats designs as well. In the meantime, let's see if the library can find The Art of Tatting, circa 1910! Sincerely, Susan in Erie, PA - - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Lamp ideas please
That is a great idea!!! I may try that... it is small and bendable... wonderful.. I am learning so much... Faye Hegener Hot Drumore, PA sitting in my AC with one of my cats laying in front of my monitor...(she is just home from spending the night at the Vets.. we are not sure if she is going to recover or.worried a little here... she is sleeping and looks compfy...that is a good sign... - Original Message - From: Malvary J Cole malva...@sympatico.ca To: Arachne lace@arachne.com, bobbinl...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 9:10:59 AM Subject: Re: [lace] Lamp ideas please Sue wrote: I found an advert for a clamp on one which would do, but would prefer something I can maybe pin to my pillow, so wonder what others in the UK use? I have a couple of booklights which work very well and aren't too large or heavy. One was from my sister, Jacquie, and came from the UK. It has a clip on the base so I put a piece of card through the clip and then pin the card to the pillow. I have a second one, which is smaller, but works just as well. The advantage is that you can bend them to exactly where you want. Malvary in Ottawa where the weather has moderated a little and it is only 28c today - - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Fiber familiarity
I think when we demo we should have a pillow with us that has a very small piece on with as little bobbins as we can get away with. Also have a pillow with a larger piece, one that we normally do while doing demos. Maybe let them have a try at the small one and see how really simple it can be. Faye Hegener - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Re: Fiber familiarity
I am a reenactor too!! I have done my lace in front of my tent at Rev War events. and I concur with what you say. Also this world is too much into instant gratification.. I love your slogan !!! Faye Hegener - Original Message - From: Tatman tat...@tat-man.net To: Lace list lace@arachne.com Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 1:03:33 PM Subject: [lace] Re: Fiber familiarity I get the tedious comment no matter what handwork I am demonstrating(tatting, embroidery, etc.) General public want quick, fast, no fuss type of projects that somehow just get done by themselves and only require just a glance. Have you seen such a project??? LOL! Short attentions spans for sure. Such is this world where it is so fast you don't give time to slow down between life's episodes. As to this instance of kids not interested in bobbin lace, I think it is just the venue. Normally I demonstrate in period costume at our tent and it is a learning environment. But interesting to find the comments and interests in different venues out of the norm. Good slogan, Devon. Tatting does have a sloganTatting is KNOT a Lost Art ;) -- - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Getting there, getting there
how about Yoga to you is Thread to me Faye - Original Message - From: Aurelia Loveman aurel...@earthlink.net To: dmt11h...@aol.com, lynrbai...@supernet.com Cc: lace@arachne.com Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 4:49:42 PM Subject: [lace] Getting there, getting there Yoga in thread! Now that's a big step forward. Until we think of something that's even better, Yoga in Thread sounds good. Let's try it and see what responses we get. Aurelia Cc: lace@arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] Re: Fiber familiarity In a message dated 8/10/2010 3:02:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lynrbai...@supernet.com writes: We live in a time when people want to do 'crafts' that are quick, frequently with glue guns. And that's fine. But there are people who are not interested in the quick and easy. Those who make those Fair Isle sweaters, or knitted lace shawls on size zero needles. They are few and far between now, possibly because there is more instant gratification, from TV, from the internet, from the way our culture functions, so the quick satisfaction becomes the standard. While there are certainly people who are actually attracted to projects that take a long time and are very picky, it is that characterization that has limited the growth of bobbin lace to a very small portion of the population. The question is, if that is not the kind of thing that appeals to you (and I can't say that doing things the hard way appeals to me) what is it that lace has to offer you? What is the gratification, if not instant? I actually find that when I am making lace, I often find myself in a zone, almost a hynotic trance where I have pleasant thoughts. I find that, for instance, I do not feel as great a need to eat compulsively when I am in this zone. The focus of hands and mind, especially in very difficult patterns, gives me a bit of a buzz. Bobbin Lace: Yoga with Thread Bobbin Lace: Where Fiber Art and Meditation Meet Bobbin Lace: Threaditation Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Re: Fiber familiarity
that is a great idea. It is a form of weaving and we should demo modern, colorful bookmarks or motifs or jewelry something that will be used and worn everyday. And the jewelry will catch the eye of the younger generations... Faye Hegener - Original Message - From: dmt11h...@aol.com To: tat...@tat-man.net, lace@arachne.com Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 1:50:27 PM Subject: Re: [lace] Re: Fiber familiarity In a message dated 8/10/2010 1:04:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tat...@tat-man.net writes: I get the tedious comment no matter what handwork I am demonstrating(tatting, embroidery, etc.) General public want quick, fast, no fuss type of projects that somehow just get done by themselves and only require just a glance. Have you seen such a project??? LOL! Short attentions spans for sure. Such is this world where it is so fast you don't give time to slow down between life's episodes. But, then, why do we like it? There is something in the pleasure of it that we are not conveying. When I was the publicity director of the Secaucus convention, the reporter asked me again and again if we made lace because our grandmothers made lace. It was clearly the story she wanted to write, but I don't think that is the primary reason anyone makes it. I think I make lace because I like solving puzzles, just as my mother who never held a needle or bobbin in her hand was a dynamite crossword puzzle worker. In one lace class I attended, it seemed that everyone was a compulsive puzzle solver, even attending puzzle conferences. A friend of mine calls it The Mensa of the craft world, not a bad slogan in itself. I also like bobbin lace because it is like weaving, but you don't need a loom and the warp isn't fixed. Unlike embroidery, you actually make the fabric, creating it out of nothing. I like it because of the interesting fibers you can use, and the limitless shapes you can make. I like the feel of the bobbins swinging like pendulums So, what is it that we like about lacemaking and how do we convey it to other people? I think one massive barrier is that the word lace does not bring in the people who would be interested in a quick, portable, loomless weaving with endless possibilities for color, shape, weave structure and three dimensionality. Instead, the people who are attracted to lace lessons are imagining that they will make yards and yards of beautiful white lace of the refinement of the 18th century, or even yards and yards of lace like they see mass produced, only somehow nicer. Often, it is only a massive change in expectations that allows them to continue after they see what it is really like, and how unlikely the making of yardage is. Many, of course, quit as soon as they realize what they have really signed up for. Meanwhile, there must be people who would be attracted to the activity of making modern bobbin lace, but are not interested in making yards of white stuff, so they are not responding to advertisements for bobbin lace lessons. More and more, people are opting for contemporary looking lace, such that old stereotypes about what a person will be doing with their lace making hobby are not valid. Perhaps we should go with, Bobbin lace, the quick, versatile, weaving alternative that does not require a separate room in your house for a loom. Or Bobbin Lace, Weaving without the hassle. Or even, Bobbin Lace: Weaving set free! Or, Bobbin lace: Weaving on steroids. Why do other people on the list enjoy bobbin lace? We all live in the 21st century, after all. I can't believe we are that different than the rest of the population. My daughter, for instance, is spending massive amounts of time and patience learning how to make jewelry. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] IOLI vs OIDFA
In response to Lauren's request for comparison of IOLI vs. OIDFA, I can give you my experience. Both have 4 days of classes (optional for OIDFA), sales room, lace exhibition, competition, and a dinner. In addition the OIDFA Congress has 3 days (Friday through Sunday) of 3 lectures, several tours, and a 4/5 day tour after the congress. The tour is always based on as much lace and textiles as possible in the area. Each country has four years to prepare for the congress and usually does an amazing job with hosting this large event. How OIDFA differs For us in the US it is always foreign travel and meeting people with different cultures since we have not hosted as yetf. I have been attending OIDFA since 2004 at Nottingham. I thoroughly enjoy travel, either in the States or abroad, and am always eager to see more, learn more and meet new people different than my own culture. Each country attending has a booth for the lace exhibition and this is really interesting to see what other lacemakers are about. The competition is in a separate area and usually has many entries, much larger than IOLI. I really enjoy the tours. You'll be in an English speaking bus and will be traveling with the same group each day and getting to know each other. Sometimes the tour will be based out of the same hotel -- sometimes a couple of hotels within the country. The days are usually very packed with events but when traveling from one venue to another, you'll see a fair amount of country side. Each trip deepens relationships, and that is the best part. The English bus includes most other countries other than France. I think taking the tour really helps getting to know others in the same bus since you spend 4 days together on pleasurable pursuits and can share experiences. Also this tour is very oriented to lace and textiles -- not a regular tour bus company. For personal experience, I attended the IOLI in Montreal but stayed a few days in a BB prior to the convention. My next door neighbor was from Japan and three weeks ago I visited her for a few days in Kitakyushu, Japan. I had the good fortune to stay in her home and get to know her and her family. To me -- that's was travel is all about -- making worldwide friends. Now, she and her daughter are making plans to visit me in Maine and we'll tour the Atlantic Maritimes. So do plan to try and attend the 2012 in Cane, France or 2014 in Adelaide, Australia. Let me know when, and we'll link up. Diane Z Lubec, Maine. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Lamp ideas please
I found an LED lamp at a computer fair here in Oz several months ago. It is a small rectangular base (10x4cm), folds out in a Z figure with a panel of LED lights which shine down onto your work. The base holds 6 AAA batteries, is quite stable, but it also runs off a USB port on a computer, and came with an adapter so it would run off electric power as well. All in a little black velvet bag. It was made by Otek, but no search on the internet has come up with anything similar. And it just sits on my pillow, with a couple of glass headed pins either side to keep it from sliding off. I use it on electric power at home, but the batteries last very well, and it is absolutely perfect to take to workshops etc.With the power supply, it was about $30 Australian. The light given by the LED lights is clear, bright, and perfect to work by, especially at such close range. And no heat from it. Noelene in Cooma nlaffe...@ozemail.com.au That is a great idea!!! I may try that... it is small and bendable... wonderful.. I am learning so much... Faye Hegener - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Fiber Familiarity
And cheaper than a psychiatrist. ...Noelene in Cooma nlaffe...@ozemail.com.au Bobbin Lace: Tripping out, but legal Bobbin Lace: Better than Glue Sniffing Bobbin Lace: The Fiber Art that Blows your Mind - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
