[lace] Spangled and Bobbins!
Hi Friends, Still asking myself questions as to when spangling began! I decided that the OED might have the answers. Well no, there does not seem to have any special reference to spangling (and all the other words) a bobbin. It does refer to decorating an object. I also looked up Gingle, Jingle and any other words that came to mind related to decorating a bobbin, but nothing turned up. I need to say that my interest in the OED was sparked by reading the book that has a title similar to The Dictionary of Lost Words, Pip Williams. Its a great book and entertaining, but its key message is that "women's words" were not collected. Not that they would not collect them but the process of adding a word was (briefly and in general) a person would write to the authors with an example of the word , the date and the context of its use. It would then be put on a piece of paper and filed when they got to that letter. It was included after learned discussion. The whole point of this is that it was basically a male group of editors and men were mostly the ones who sent in word examples and who made the decisions to include the word. My best guess at the moment is that spangling bobbins started after 1750 and probably quite closer to 1800. No proofs offered, just that feeling I have having been writing about bobbins for a lot of years. -- Brian Cooranbong Australia. If you are a bit bored, then spend a bit of time looking at my Hobbies below. Patchwork Activities: My modern Quilt journey Part 1. https://modernquiltjourney.wordpress.com/ Slap-dash Art quilts (Follow on from the above.i.e. part 2.) https://slapdashartquilts.weebly.com/ Lace Bobbin activities My Antique Lace Bobbin Dictionary:http://www.brianlemin.com/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Brian and Bobbins
Dear all, I am afraid that age and less than good health has pursued me and caught up! Along with the decreased health and abilities of my wife who is 91, I have decided that (at least officially) I have dropped the bobbin baton and would love for another to take it up! I need to put on record that none of would have not been possible but for the friendship and very practical help of my sometimes "secret" bobbin partner, Diana Smith. She, along with so many Arachne members are the source of my motivation and grateful generous, help from so many of you. I/we, leave the dictionary as something of a record of our work together, which BTW is a creative commons record and can be used by anyone with a suitable credit except if personal financial gain is involved. I am not saying that i will never get worked up over an issue that will drive me back to the keyboard, just that I will not seek out issues, just that I will read instead of write. I love reading and i have taken up the gentle (?) hobby of archery as exercise and a social outlook. You have such a lovely and historical hobby, and you are all keeping it alive. I hope you all weave beautiful dreams and enjoy your lace and bobbins. With love to you all (and a sudden choke on my behalf. (boo hoo!) Brian -- Brian Cooranbong Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Possibly a fake bobbin on ebay?
Hi Guys, Diana and i have been in correspondence about this Hanging bobbin that is currently being offered on ebay. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/394149673364?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=wi1rxdxmrg-&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=cfz4mPKOSJK&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=EMAIL <https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/394149673364?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=wi1rxdxmrg-&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=cfz4mPKOSJK&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=EMAIL> It seems to us that it does not match up with what we would expect from a genuine hanging bobbin. Clearly it has been scrubbed (!) but those of you who have Springetts book should also look at his description of an incident of fake bobbins (page 85) I think I should offer the "buyer beware" advice. Of course there may well be a collector who is interested in having it as an example of what could, allegedly, be a fake! smile. Thanks to Dianas sharp eye and access to the UK Ebay. Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Odd things that are interesting me (quiet list contribution!)
Hi All. As I have said there are a number of outstanding gaps in my bobbin knowledge and the one that stands out to me is the issue of glass bobbins. I have no idea how to categorize them, date them, recognize the manufacturer. I often seen them advertised as vintage or antique and I am clueless as to how to judge them. Does anyone know of a book that might cover these topics... not necessarily about bobbins but glass collecting? Because my friend has a special interesting hand carved bobbins i have managed to get a book on knitting sheathes, as these are mainly hand carved and covered by the overall heading of treen. I am only a couple chapters into it yet and what has struck me is the in the areas where these tools are in general use, there appears to be quite a plethora of "everyday" types of comments recorded; it appears that there was a lot more recorded conversation/ business transaction etc, which has made my reading of this book quite interesting. As to my reading of Alan Coles work in and around lace and the social aspects of the industry, I am beginning to doubt my ability to make any useful comments, or at least comments of significance that are not already on record. Where you may say? Well perhaps that is one area that i may be able to offer a short, perhaps annotated bibliography in a few months time. OFF TOPIC I will keep it short. You know i love making things well I have made a sundial from aluminium and after ALL the study i made and thought i had the southern hemisphere sorted I made the fundamental mistake and made a Northern hemisphere one. Easily corrected though. (My brain must be more addled than i thought!)My next thing is a steel marble run (wire not wood. Just starting today.) Happy Easter.. It s Good Friday here! (So my sun dial does*not* tell me) smile Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] cataract surgery
Just a note to say that my wife, a prolific hand sewer, is very happy with her implanted lenses after many years. -- Brian. (Who lives in Awabakal Country) Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] English paintings of lace makers? Oh yes and a bobbin thing too!
Hi All, I am always amazed at the knowledge and various collections and interests of members of arachne. This time I am asking if anyone has a collection of paintings (Presumably photos of!) antique lace makers. The continentals seems to have a number of excellent paintings but my searches have found very few paintings of English lace makers. If this happens to be your thing can you please drop me a line and I can share my aims for this request with you. One other thing... (of course a bobbin thing!) I have volunteered to help a friend who has a special interest in hand carved lace making bobbins (Excluding the Honiton variety) and together we are looking for hand carved bobbins that have a DATE carved in them? We are are not looking for the oldest, just old hand carved bobbins with a date in the carving! Can you help us please? -- Brian. (Who lives in Awabakal Country) Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Tiny spangled bobbins... does anyone collect these?
Hi All, I have been doing this bobbin things for many years and until I saw a small collection of the wooden bobbins with just two or perhaps three beads on the spangles in Gertrude Whitings collection, they went "over my head". They look lovely, they are well turned ( Probably Joseph Haskins) and in my various conversations with those who know better than me (Quite a few people actually!!) I am inspired to follow them up. They appear to be made and used during the transition of from unspangled to spangled. At the moment I only have the dozen or so from GWs collection so I am asking of any of you collectors my have examples of these in your collections that you would be willing to share (digitally) with me please? Thanks again -- Brian. (Who lives in Awabakal Country) Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] History of Lacemaking Coming to America
In terms of Britain's "3Rd world" colonies it was taken there by the missionaries as the main exporters of the skills. USA? I have no idea. I am a fan of Marian Powys, her skills and knowledge are to be wondered at. Brian. (Who lives in Awabakal Country) Cooranbong. Australia On 5/01/2022 7:41 am, Lorri Ferguson wrote: Does anyone have information on lacemaking coming to America? I know some about the lacers in Ipswitch, but when and how did lacemakers first come to the Colonies? Lorri Ferguson Renton, Washington - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Help with a list of laces that came with the initial migration to England... Please
As you know I am ignorant about lace!! However I am trying to identify the style of bobbins the two waves of immigration of lace makers may well have brought to England. We know that the main arrivals were Flemish Protestants and they arrived around 1572 (St Bartholomew Massacre and again about 20 years later during another purge of protestants (Not sure of the dates) Whilst the vast majority of migrants came from Flanders we are also under the impression that they came for other places in France also (I read of Paris being one of them) Assuming that they made various types of lace, I believe they would have brought a variety of bobbin styles with them as it appears they used used different bobbins for different style of lace (?) Now I full admit to you all that I am swimming in treacle regarding the lists below that I have culled from Bullocks, Lace and Lace Making and Lams, Kant wereldwijd. (for a start I do not know a word of Dutch.) I.e. books on my "bobbin history" shelf. I have many questions about this list so may I start by asking: 1 Is there a list of the types of laces that the migrants did bring with them at that time? (Like complied by a person who knows what they are talking about instead of me!!!) 2 Would someone please Anglicise the list for me please? 3 Does the list contain Modern laces I.e. post say 1700. (I use that longish date as there is a great deal of evidence that the lace dealers of England had quite a lot of contact with the continental dealers over many many years.) if so would some kind person point them out to me please? I am sure that I will have more questions to ask but this will do for starters remembering that though I do have to mention the lace, I will be writing about the bobbins as the main topic. OK Here is the list, please remember I am simple soul when it comes to lace!!! I would like to just end up with a reasonable list that only the academic big wigs will challenge me about!! smile (I do appreciate your academics, really I do, but this ends up as a bobbin article and I am happy to be challenged on them! but not on lace!)) *Lace (French)* Alencon Argenton en Alencon Arras Chantilly, Cluny Cluny en Dentelle du puy Lille Lille en Point de Paris Valenciennes ** *Lace*Flemish/Brussels (English point ?) Applique Binche Brabantse Brugs Brussels rose point Drochel Duchesse Florence Guipure de Binche Guipuure de Flandres Lille Mechelse/Mechelin Pillow Guipure Point dâAngleterre a Brides Point de Brussles Point de Gaze Point de Paris Rocco Rosaline Torchon Trolle Vlaanderse Many many thanks, but enjoy your New Year celebrations first Happy New Year to all my spider friends -- Brian. (Who lives in Awabakal Country) Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] In the footsteps of Alan Summerly Cole Webdocs
John Cropper the Webdocs guru has posted the article. Here is the URL for the PDF. How wrong can I be telling you it takes about two weeks!! Sorry John. [ https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/webdocs/lb_2021_02.pdf ] I have taken the opportunity of adding an inadequate bio of Alan Cole. He is a giant of the arts and lace in particular. Doing this puts research findings on the net for future scholars to work with. In fact quite a few of my articles come under this motive as future researchers can build upon that work (or criticise it!!) Have fun imagining me tearing around East Devon on my bicycle. BTW I was a competitive cyclist in my younger days, so those miles were chicken feed for me. - - Brian. (Who lives in Awabakal Country) Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] In search of information and the report of Mr White?
Firstly thank you to all who have been of such great help in getting Alan Browns documents to me. "This time I am looking for the original report to 1862 Royal Commissions the life of the Lace girls in the Honiton and East Midlands district by Mr John Edward White MA." Alan Brown has based his article on "Take the Children" on this evidence. I am certain that Brown has elaborated with evidential research and has added to Whites report very effectively, but I would just like to compare White and Cole on their visits to in Devon. I note elsewhere the Sawbridge Lace makers have an archive of documents. They may be a source (are you one of them?) Thanks again I have submitted my East Devon document to webdocs (It takes at least a couple of weeks for it to be uploaded.) I will keep you informed. -- Brian. (Who lives in Awabakal Country) Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] A Rough lot
https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/books/ba_3_2001.pdf - Arizona also has this Brown book archived. Re the Nottingham lace industry (Machine lace) Quite startling in places but reflects the position of women and children at that time. Thank you for sharing with me quite a good search session this morning! smile. But I must stop as I have to edit an article about Alan Coles investigation into the lace industry of Devon 1888. As I lived in the middle of that area in the 1950s I have personalised it with my (non lace) memories I will put it up on Arizona webdocs but it will take a couple of weeks before it goes up. Not very exciting, but a bit different for me ...in style and substance. - Brian. (Who lives in Awabakal Country) Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Take the Children
Whilst not the report I was looking for, I have found a PDF "Take the Children". By Brown It is well worth a read if you are interested in the social History of lace https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwitoYqUz4L1AhVMTGwGHVCxBvgQFnoECAIQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww2.cs.arizona.edu%2Fpatterns%2Fweaving%2Fbooks%2Fba_2_2000.pdf&usg=AOvVaw13zCBtt6ARucpcpQAkGdZB <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwitoYqUz4L1AhVMTGwGHVCxBvgQFnoECAIQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww2.cs.arizona.edu%2Fpatterns%2Fweaving%2Fbooks%2Fba_2_2000.pdf&usg=AOvVaw13zCBtt6ARucpcpQAkGdZB> - I Hope this link works for you. It is On the Arizona webdocs site.https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/books/ba_2_2000.pdf This link Might be easier? Fingers crossed! - Brian. (Who lives in Awabakal Country) Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re Alan Brown reports. (Sheila)
I have a name "Sheila" and an out of date email address, but the notes I have referenced her tells me that she offers copies of the Alan Coles reports on lace. I am particularly looking for the Nottingham Report, but he wrote another too which I do not have. Are any of you that Lady above? If not can anyone help me get a copy of the Nottingham report please. It appears to be a very difficult document to to pull out of the net! Many thanks -- Brian. (Who lives in Awabakal Country) Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Acknowledgement I left off my correction
I must also thank Margaret of All Hallows museum for helping me with my thinking about the Devon Laces. Brain addled Brian! -- Brian. (Who lives in Awabakal Country) Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Correction and update on Devon Laces (Brian Lemin)
Dear All, Whilst the topic of Devon lace is described by some as being complicated, I have, with the help of Carol MacFadzean of the Devon Lace Teachers Group, compiled a list that could be of help to the casual reader.The information has also cleared up the story of the Honiton stage coach origin of the term âHoniton Laceâ Detailed information of Devon Laces can be found on Carols web page⦠http://www.devonlaceteachers.co.uk/devon-laces.html [Laces Made in Devon and their History] Firstly let us clear up the various interpretations of what âHoniton Laceâ is. Honiton lace is not a generic term for all the 7 Devon Laces, but for the style of lace made at Honiton and all over the region, including the major players such as Woodbury, Ottery St Mary, Sidmouth/Sidbury, Exmouth, Beer etc. The lace made in these villages/towns is known as Honiton lace. The Exeter lace, that has appeared in my previous lists, is a style invented by Mrs Treadwin, but is within the Honiton lace area; it is not a style on its own account. This still leaves my list with Devon being the source of seven identifiable varieties of lace, these being: Branscombe Point, Devon Trolly, Honiton lace, Devonia, ColytonChromatic, Woodbury Greek and Kerswell lace. I Hope this clarifies matters and warns you that a non lace maker is not to be trusted with his interpretations of "lace Matters"!! smile. Phew, I hope I have got it right this time! Happy Christmas and New Year (Gotta new (well old) car so I am a happy "Vegemite") See your local Australian for and interpretation of this term "Happy Vegemite" ps Marmite is best! For sure I will lose my Citizenship for that PS! -- Brian. (Who lives in Awabakal Country) Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] A preliminary biography of Alan S Cole. Many thanks to members. LONG
I am not sure how the layout of this will turn out as an email, Forgive me. Special thanks to all of you who have helped get such a good start on this bio. Brian A preliminary biography outline of*Alan Summerly Cole, 1846-1934 */(Gleaned from many web sources academic works etc. with the help of members of Arachne (lace list)/ /Collated by Brian Lemin Dec2021/ *Nationality*: English *Date of Birth*: 1846.08.19 *Place of Birth*: Bayswater. London Middlesex *Date of Death*: 1934.03.24 *Place of Death*: May 30, 1934 (86-87) London, Greater London, England, United Kingdom *Identity: * Alan Summerley Cole was the son of Sir Henry Cole, K.C.B, a pioneer in design reform and the first director of the South Kensington Museum. *Marriage:* A. S. Cole ( aged 32)married Margaret Elizabeth Clark (aged 19) (1859 â 1933)in March 1879 ,( or possibly on 7 January 1879 )in the parish of Taunton St Mary) They had four children, Hilda (b. ca 1880, m. Jack Bennet), Muriel (b. ca 1882), Jack (b. ca 1884) and Doreen (1901-1903). *Life: * Cole attended the Government Design Schools at South Kensington, and later became the Assistant Secretary at the South Kensington Museum. He was an expert in textiles, especially lace, and was the author of a number of catalogues on the subject. He wrote reports on the working conditions of lace makers in Britain. He was the son of the museumâs first director, Sir Henry Cole (1808-1882), and also served as Assistant Secretary at the museum. He published âA Descriptive Catalogue of the Collection of Lace in the South Kensington Museumâ in 1881, and in 1891 produced a supplement for specimens of lace acquired between 1880 and 1890. He was commissioned by Parliament to investigate the Irish lacemaking industry; He also wrote a report on the Devon lace industry and many important works on the subject and on lace in general. Cole knew many turn of the century Arts & Crafts leaders, and was one of the only people advocating lace in the movement. He entered Charterhouse for a brief periods despite his father's reservations. As has been recorded, he spent his working life in the Department, as Private Secretary to his father from 1867 to 1873, and later in a variety of capacities. He continued to serve in the Board of Education to 1908. He was made C. B. in 1902, and he was a Member of the Council of the Royal Society of Arts from 1914 to 1918. The science and art department were part of the government, and was based on the South Kensington site next to the museum that became the V&A. He was widely regarded as a textile expert, publishing monographs of textiles, silks, embroidery and of course lace. As a commissioner for the department, he went out to the lace counties and Ireland to report on the state of the lace industries there, and for the Children employment commission on children working and schooling in the lace industry in 1862. He was a friend of Whistler. In 1849, when Whistler was living with the Hadens at Sloane Street, he met Cole and his elder sisters at a children's party given by the Dilkes. Cole and Whistler remained life-long friends and correspondents. In the spring of 1876 Whistler began a portrait of Cole's father which was taken up again in February 1882 but never finished as Henry Cole died on 18 April 1882. The picture appears to have been destroyed. Later in 1876 Whistler and Cole played together in /Under the Umbrella/, an amateur theatrical in Kensington Town Hall. In this year Whistler also gave Cole an number of spontaneous sketches he had made of /The Blue Girl: Portrait of Connie Gilchrist/ (YMSM 207) and /Arrangement in Brown and Black: Portrait of Miss Rosa Corder/ (YMSM 203). In 1879 Cole helped Whistler plan a trip to Venice. Cole's diary records many dinners and breakfasts at Whistler's house during the 1870s in the company of such persons as Frank Dicey, Cyril Flower, Louis Huth, Richard Monckton Milnes, Oscar Wilde, Jacques Joseph Tissot, Frances Leyland, Janey Sevilla Campbell, George Adolphus Storey and Theodore Watts, when they had discussed such subjects as Japanese art, Velasquez, Balzac, Sarah Bernhardt and spiritualism. In his diary Cole also followed the progress of Whistler's decoration of the Peacock Room at Leyland's home in Prince's Gate in the autumn and winter of 1876, and made records of the exhibitions of Whistler's pictures, eg. Fine Art Society in 1881. Alan Summerley Cole's Timeline <https://www.geni.com/timeline/view_all?profile_id=600173411252238> Showing 7 events 1847 Birth of Alan Summerley Cole <https://www.geni.com/profile/600173411252238/events/600173411252239> London, Middlesex DEC 31 1879 Birth of Hilda Margaret Summerley Bennett <https://www.geni.com/profile/600173411252238/events/600173410434076> 1879
[lace] Thieving Rascals or Desperately Poor?
Just to let you know that I have published the above document on Arizona Web docs [ https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/webdocs.html ] as usual you have to scroll down to my name to find it, but there is some sort of search engine too. It is a topic way out of my field but very interesting to me, but I suspect I have failed to do it justice and would welcome additional information around this topic from more knowledgeable members. Whilst on about the social history of lace I was looking for a biography (mini) about a Mr Alan Cole who wrote papers to Parliament about Lace in Ireland and Devon. I would have thought that he was pretty important (his father was!) Anyone know where to find one? Many thanks -- Brian. (Who lives in Awabakal Country) Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Lace as Toilet paper!
I have just read a pop circular on the "History of Toilet Paper". In it it said that, historical French royalty used lace to wipe their bums!! smile I was brought up on squares of newspaper hung on a string! I also won a cancer health education award by writing about this theme! Oh dear, what life brings us! Brian (who has graduated to one crutch.) -- Brian. (Who lives in Awabakal Country) Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] An East Devon (Honiton) Bobbin make. Initial communication
Your weird mate writing again, this time to record the name of a bobbin maker of East Devon bobbins (Implied) This is the first record of a Maker of Bobbins in and around Honiton. Gertrude Whiting mentions two names that I have never been unable to correlate with a recorded maker tag on them. This comes from a Google book search Finding: "The Law Times Vol 10 Page 436. 1848." It records the name of SILLIFANT as a wood turner and Bobbin and broach maker (Feb) Honiton. If I am honest we really have "No" idea about the making of East Devon bobbins and even less about their decoration. Some of the thinking is that they were decorated by the seller of the bobbin (to value add ?) Another thought is that they were decorated by various groups of decorators working together. Perhaps the turner also decorated them? Who knows? Most of the above relates to The Wiltshire Bobbins (Downtons) also. Mr Sillifant adds something to this knowledge but there is a very long journey to go before we can ID makers of East Devon bobbins like the Springetts did for East Midland bobbins. (Good for them, the best thing the did for bobbin collectors plus their book of course) Now of Course with Heathcote doing his bit in 1808 Mr Sillifant might make big machine bobbins for his factory? (Depressed at the thought, but possible) I saw the "broach maker" and that aligns him to more delicate work in my mind. Perhaps as a researcher I should not clutch at straws! Anyway there you are... Sillifant for starters!! Happy collecting -- Brian. (Who lives in Awabakal Country) Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Helps, re pictures of spangled bobbins that are very (very) old?
Dear Arachnids, I have spent a glorious afternoon of semi shut down looking for pictures of lace bobbins on paintings or pictures. The time went quickly but less than fruitful because of my objective. I am looking to see if there is any "identifiable time" when English bobbins became spangled./_ _/ /_I_/t seems to me that all the paintings/ pictures that I have seen of English pillows/__/are not of English makers (?) or show (what we already know), that the English used continental style bobbins until spangling became fashionable. This week I have been scouring/__//_t_/he V and A collection of bobbins,. [ https://collections.vam.ac.uk/search/?q=bobbin&page=1&page_size=50&id_collection=THES48601&id_category=THES49006 <https://collections.vam.ac.uk/search/?q=bobbin&page=1&page_size=50&id_collection=THES48601&id_category=THES49006> ] and by the dates donation I cant get back much further than say 1900 and bobbins will have been spangled for 100 years at least before then. I am always amazed at the collections and information you good folks have or are engaged in. So my question is .. do any of you have a picture that can be dated where the bobbins have spangles on them? The best (but unverified) thinking is that they started spangling in the late 1800s, but who knows? Perhaps one of you has the answer? smile PS. I have discovered that they Queen Mary collection of bobbins are displayed in the V and A (?) boardroom. Does anyone have a picture of that display please? (I am sure one of you will be a Board Member of the V and A! smile.) I will be happy to have that smile knocked off my face! Finally, my new hip operation has been cancelled because of covid! gr (accompanied by an ouch!) Regards Brian (Who lives in Awabakal Country) Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Cowper Newton Mueseum
I understand that the above museum is redesigning their lace making rooms. Dare i say it.. "about time too", but i do hope they will take the opportunity of showing their unique collection of a bobbins in a better manner, perhaps along with some educational text. Their collection is possibly unique amongst museums, in that it contains examples of the bobbins collected by such collectors as Wright, Knight and Huetson. I hope that in any redesigning of the exhibition they will retain their original naming of so many of the bobbin whose names have change somewhat in our modern times. I never managed to get permission to photograph and use their bobbins, (probably my fault due to circumstances) though to give the museum credit they have published some interesting articles on Lace bobbins that are extremely well written but IMHO missed the essence of their special connection. I have written a short un-illustrated article about their bobbin names on Web Docs. https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/webdocs/lb_2010_18.pdf <https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/webdocs/lb_2010_18.pdf> I would like to make it clear that whilst I am totally infatuated with lace bobbins I have no problems in of accepting that they take a second place to the skills and history of the lace-makers who creatively manipulate these wonderful tools. I truly wish the Cowper Newton museum well with their redesigning. It is probably my favourite bobbin museum. Please excuse me for nattering on, but I also want to say that there appears to be a good start for any study of lace bobbins that is interested in the use of and type of bobbins used during the pre and post spangling era in the UK. It is the one project that I feel is impossible for me to study being anchored (age and abilities, let alone Covid} in Australia. There is a lot of work in that project. OK, I will stop there. Take care BTW, My very supportive wife is 90 today! She is out with her patch-working "girls" celebrating. I will make beans on toast for her "dinner" smile. You see! I will talk all day! -- Brian Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Hanging Bobbins
I probably see one or occasionally a so called set, say 2 or three times a year. They are probably the most expensive bobbins and indeed if we are looking at quality... overpriced. However they are a significant social history bobbin and understandably well sought after. I have some problems about recommending certain sites and newsletters to enable you keep your eyes open for them coming up in auctions. Most appear to be sold by a couple of the bigger auction houses and not so much on sites like eBay. My problem is that people who already subscribe to the said auction house newsletters often give me a serve as my recommendation tends to "put prices up"!! They are nice about it and do not "flame me" I suggest that if you are a potential buyer then do a bit of research and you will find the best potential sources. Re ..Rare, Would need to put these in a rare category. There are quite number in existence but owners tend to want to keep them Sorry Brian Cooranbong. Australia On 2/03/2021 6:44 am, thelace...@btinternet.com wrote: I think that Brian Lemin would be the best person to say how often they come up. I can't think of any in recent years. Liz In Dreary Northants -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com On Behalf Of Elena Kanagy-Loux Sent: 01 March 2021 16:01 To: Arachne Subject: [lace] Hanging Bobbins I know they don't come up on the market very often, so I thought I'd put out feelers on Arachne and register my interest! Please let me know if you hear of any for sale, it doesn't need to be any particular bobbin or an especially rare one. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Continental lace bobbins
Dear Arachnids, With all this confession about being a lazy writer and researcher my conscience began to burn a little You all know that the many thousands (probably) of bobbins that I have on my DB none of them are real. I my have say 30 real EM bobbins in my collection! the rest pretty well all came as digital objects from you as my supporters. [thanks] BUT I have a big shoe box full of "real" continental bobbins! Yes, you good people have sent them to me over the years. Without being rude, my studies have not included these wonderful tools and I know very little about them. There is no way that i can study them and write about them like i have the English bobbins. I think i have examples from about 30 countries? Whether or not I can ID them to countries correctly is another matter (probably not) The other thing is that if I did something with them i would want only to concentrate on the "traditional" bobbins of that country. I say this as I see on Pinterest the most beautiful, intricate and well turned/carved bobbins, but i can not think they were the traditional bobbins of that particular country. Yep, I need help! Who is the continental bobbin expert who is silly enough to drop me a note and volunteer? !! smile. I have in mind a simple web site that people can access, to look at and be able to compare what they might have in their possession, with a traditional bobbin from a particular country, and make an educated guess as to what they have! MY CV says that I am a frustrating person to work with, I forget, I promise and it takes me ages to fulfill it. I cant spell and i certainly get things wrong! I am full of crazy ideas that are totally impractical. Oh yes, Jean says I am the worst "procrastinator" she has ever known (well, perhaps married?) Oh I lose things! Oh yes, I have arranged for my new hip to be a "carved spangle" style! [yes a continental bobbin] -- Brian Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Lace articles.. Brian
<https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/webdocs.html> Articles https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/webdocs.html <https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/webdocs.html> Scroll down to my name (longish way down!) or type Lemin in search, This gives a google response and seems to work OK but i usually scroll down. Dictionary and collectors guide (EM) http://www.brianlemin.com/ <http://www.brianlemin.com/> Arizona is a such a broad and informative site. If you are idle at any time just explore it. There is all sorts there. -- Brian Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Update from Brian
Hi All, I think its confession time. I have been so slack with research and writing during Covid even though (comparably Australia has done well). The truth of the matter is that i pretty well have a Collectors Guide to "Honiton" bobbins ready. Covid has really held up the Downton Guide, but a fare amount of work has been done on that too. The trouble is that after those two projects are on the net the majority of topics on bobbins we have covered. A few more articles will come out from time to time I am sure as it is a topic that really has "No end"? Meantime i am making and flying RC model gliders (Slopesoarers) What is of importance is that IOLI has accepted the Lace Biography of Marian Powys I wrote and part one "could" be out in the next issue. Then part two an issue in the future. She was English, a brother to the literary Powys brothers, went to America and became a world expert on lace.( Particularly Devon lace) An amazing lady whose individual abilities and success was overshadowed by her brothers achievements. Hers are just as good and she was as successful as they were. Please look after yourselves, you have been good friends of mine for many years, Your help, support and generosity in donating me images has made my contribution possible. Re articles. I/we (she who remains in the background of all my work) have no objection to articles published on the Arizona site being used as long as you attribute it and do not make any changes to them. You must be warned that those articles reflect my journey of learning about bobbins and my early writing was based on quite sparse knowledge and research. We hope we are getting better. -- Brian Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Crazy ideas about how old bobbins are?
Yep, I have got Covid Stir crazy syndrome. You may remember that after all my (our, I include Diana of course)) years of bobbin study I only recently was told that all early Downton bobbins were hand carved. From this I want to ask you all two questions please. 1. If you have any Downton bobbins can you look critically at them a see if there may be any carving signs on them. Mostly you will see this evidence in the neck area, but you might see them elsewhere. 2. When we think of bobbins being used from say (not being pedantic) 1500 onward s and the very few lathes available at that time[They gradually became more available until about 1750 ish, from then on all bobbins appear to have been turned] Do you think that all our early English used (East Midland) bobbin were hand carved? Are all hand carved bobbins "old" [i.e. pre 1750?] I think when i am asking these questions i am thinking that I am assuming "copies" of the bobbins being used as opposed to ornate hand carved bobbins. Its a huge subject and for sure i do not have any formed ideas about this topic, but perhaps you may have, so please share them with us. I am aware of a collector who is currently specializing in hand carved bobbins (EM) I wonder what she thinks. I am probably crazy! Please take care of yourself and family. -- Brian Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Lace Fairy archived web site.
I know i have only been looking at the "bobbins" section but out of frustration I tried something stupid. I wanted one of my articles on hanging bobbins desperately but it kept coming up with a whole page of bookmarks for the archived software. I discovered that I could "select all" then "copy", and when i pasted it into Word the watermarking had gone!! Then it was dinner time and food comes before bobbins, but i will explore again tomorrow! -- Brian Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re Jerri Aimes... contact
I think this is the way i get a message to Jerri. I would like to email her re "glass Lace bobbins" and another topic also. brid...@bigpond.com Thanks -- Brian Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Met copyright update
I am in discussion with the Met. So far i have established that they do not charge for use of the images, the usual acknowledgement required. That is fine. We will see what else will emerge -- Brian Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Metrpolitan musem bobbins link
https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search#!/search?material=Beads&perPage=20&searchField=All&sortBy=Relevance&offset=0&pageSize=0&department=12 <https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search#!/search?material=Beads&perPage=20&searchField=All&sortBy=Relevance&offset=0&pageSize=0&department=12> I hope this works for you. It certainly works if you copy and paste it into your browsers search box. There are few non-bobbin images on this series, but some of the bobbins are pretty good. No description just the accession number. (well the odd words) They are all "copyright now" but i have (many years ago) studied and written about them (all on nice postcards) but cant publish. Pity, as whilst they are nice pictures there is no education with them. The other things is that i thought the Met had removed "all" copyright except for special items a few years ago. I must have been wrong or they think they will make a pile of money from selling these images? smile BTW I do accept that museums are expensive to run a need money to run them. enjoy -- Brian Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Lace fairy archived web site
I do not know why i have not realized that the Lace Fairy web site was archived and is available. http://web.archive.org/web/20130630115244/http://lace.lacefairy.com/Lace/ It lacks a lot of pictures but is still a great "browse". Is there a "modern" equivalent site that is as generic as was Lori's? -- Brian Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] The article is up on webdocs
Dear Arachnids, *NB* I always have difficulty in making my links live in Thunderbird. I usually paste the webdocs URL in the search box, and the scroll till i get the article.!! Here is the webdocs URL: https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/webdocs.html Here is the document up i was teasing about. Have a look and see what you think. I have tackled the subject before on a couple of the webdocs articles (Spangling) *Lemin*, Brian. /How Was it that Bobbins Became Interesting? /, 5 pages. Posted July, 2020. *FIRST PAGE*. File size 1,600KB PDF Have fun Here are my other articles from 10 years ago!! These are more about spangling, the article above is a /general deduction/ about the available equipment for bobbin makers *Lemin*, Brian. /When did East Midland Bobbins Become Spangled/, 4 pages. Posted December 20, 2010. *FIRST PAGE* <https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/webdocs/SAMPLES/lb_2010_19.gif>. File size 160KB PDF <https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/webdocs/lb_2010_19.pdf> *Lemin*, Brian. /East Midland Spangled Bobbins some Speculations/, 10 pages. Posted December 20, 2010. *FIRST PAGE* <https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/webdocs/SAMPLES/lb_2010_06.gif>. File size 192KB PDF <https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/webdocs/lb_2010_06.pdf> - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Why bobbins became interesting!
I have been dooming and dreaming about bobbins this last few days. It started when (after all these years of study) I discovered that almost all Downton bobbins were hand whittled until more modern times. I had noticed hand whittled necks, but because my collection is digital and thus i only handle a few of the bobbins I write about I had not noticed the bobbin shanks. I then got a lovely lecture from an expert, and promptly started to dream! I have recorded my idle thoughts and dreaming in an article soon to be published on webdocs (I will tell you when it is up) I hope to answer "all" (smile) the many questions we have about English bobbins, when did they become spangled, the arrival of bone bobbins, and the whole gamut of your "beautiful flitting bobbins" (Whiting) The answer is all in one sentence. Mind you it takes me 800 words before i write that sentence! The point is, am I right? Will that article start a revolution? Sharpen your quills because I really am "flying kite". Your friend who is always ready to learn from his betters ... This letter to the list is what all bobbin makers do, it is called "marketing". This is an advert hoping to sell my new idea to you. Smile -- Brian Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Waddesdon bobbins.
Hi, as you will know I am expecting to slow down on my bobbin research, mainly because i have or will have, covered all the regional types of bobbins. Today i have been cogitating as to whether or not Waddesdon is a geographical lace area that used a special bobbin. The reason is that it was the Saunders bros that had a bobbin making business in that area and we are told that most used those bobbins (Inferred) In Devon, Malmesbury, "Downton" there are traditional styles of lace making, that to some extent required a different type of bobbin. Wadddesdon seems to be involved in the standard types of East Midland lace, it just happens to have a somewhat distinctive style of bobbin making. I have not managed to say this very well, so could I ask if you think that I should treat Waddesdon bobbins as a traditional geographical "bobbin" area of the UK, in the same was a Honiton, Downton etc.? Oh dear, now I am getting concerned about how i categorize S Bucks bobbins? What do you guys think? -- Brian Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] (progress report) and Malmsbury bobbins (Long)
Covid has a lot to answer for and this letter is one of them. I am often asked about where my bobbin interest came from etc. The simple answer is I started to make bobbins as result of seeing a church member's pillow at tea one week end. Now here the rest of it. I hope the arachne editor will be Covid-like lenient on me for this mostly off topic post. When i started all this bobbin stuff, some 25 years ago after i retired, I had no idea this is where it would take me. I was just asking questions about antique bobbins that few people could answer, so i started to research the answers myself. Arachne has always been my greatest source of interest and help, and we (as a group ) did 3 or 4 little bits of research ourselves which I wrote up and put on my Angel-fire web page (now more or less defunct). I then started to find books on bobbins or lace, that were very helpful. The of course then there was the Springetts revolution and that seemed to change everything. More people began collecting, their work revealed the importance of local history contained in or around bobbins. More importantly it opened my eyes to what appeared to me was a whole field of investigation of bobbins. I had a few mentors and one special bobbin friend, without whose help and access to her wonderful collection of bobbins, very little of what is published under my name could have been achieved. Even today she remains reluctant for her name to be mentioned, however I have tried very hard to acknowledge her help as a knowledgeable collector, restorer and curator. She is also a valued writer of local history on bobbins and her work has appeared in many magazines local to her area of living. However i am certain that her collection is the most complete and best quality bobbin collection in private hands that is current in the UK. I think it is fair to say that for different reasons, we are both slowing down, but what a huge amount we have achieved. (and we are both fabulously rich as the result of it! smile.) East midland bobbins took a long time for me (us) to get our heads around, but that has culminated in the web publication of a bobbin dictionary (shorthand title) ( www.brianlemin.com) together with a collectors guide for East Midland bobbins which was an excellent showcase for her bobbins. It would be wrong for me to say that we then went our separate ways, far from it, she is still trying to help me get my head around S Bucks bobbins, but it is true that my East Devon and Downton project was a bit left field from her collection. The East Devon part of that project has resulted in a Collectors Guide that is in the hands of a volunteer arachne person editor. I feel desperate for her! She told me of a typo in one of my webdocs publications and said that she was an editor in her other life, "then" she received from me a 100 page manuscript to edit! (Beware of what you write to me about!) The Downton part of that project is of necessity a long range project. Those genres are hard to come by and a kind volunteer and museum curator are working hard on my behalf to extend my Downton Bobbin database and "teach me" about them. That is now a slow project because of Covid, but I hope there will eventually be a "Collectors Guide to Downton lace-making bobbins" They are fascinating, just you wait and see. [if you know why a number of then are sequentially numbered please tell me!) I do not intend to "do" 20th century bobbins (see Springett) But there remains the Malmsbury bobbins, plain bobbins to almost boredom. Then the "job" I started all that time ago will be complete. Sure there are still pockets of research and sharing to do but I aim to slow down. Do a bit more art patch-working, become a better guitar player (I am a wanna-be jazz guitarist( which will never happen, I don't do the practice!) I am making a clavichord and that will make me relearn to art of reading music. ( Love classical music and Jazz and very little in between!)So I have plenty to do. My heath is pretty good but i have few struggles resulting from cancer, but I enjoy life with those minor handicaps. Help please? I am always asking you for something, this is to ask you if any of you can tell me anything about Malmsbury bobbins that will help me fill up a couple of paragraphs or it will be a very short "Collectors Guide". My apologies to the Malmsbury lace makers and their museum staff who were very nice to me about 20 years ago but i will cover their bobbins in three paras and a picture and that is not fair. Thanks to you all take care, stay indoors, write long letters to arachne Bye Brian Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] I would like to contact Pam Nottingham
Can anyone help please? The address below does NOT work -- Brian Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Rare 8 gingle South Bucks. Picture wanted... p l e a s e! A possible (but not recommended prize!)
Hello all, This is a begging letter. No, no money involved just a kind gift to my digital collection (and permission to use it in an article please.) I really need (desperately? not quite but close to it) a South Buck bobbin that had 8 (Eight) gingles (metal rings) on it. If you have such a bobbin would you be good enough to send me a sharp picture of it. Even a good phone picture works if it is sharp. I have an East Midland that i have photo-shopped to look like the real thing.. but my conscience says i should not do that! [I must be getting honest in my old age! smile] I suspect that it is quite a rare bobbin but I need it for an article I have half-written about South Bucks bobbins. Quietly I am betting that there is not one out there? But you guys always surprise me. IF you really want a prize, Jean took a dreadful picture of me ready to go to bed on a cold night. At least you can laugh at me! -- Brian Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Pam Nottinghams article on Thumpers.. Keeping the Record Straight. Lace #77 Jan 1995. P 31
Thanks to those who have sent me the the article. I think I need to look at the S Bucks genre. I think I have got a thing about unspangled bobbins! Brian Cooranbong. Australia On 6/07/2020 6:39 pm, Jane Partridge wrote: Hi Brian, I've forwarded your email to Sara Shakespeare, the Lace Guild's Librarian, who should be able to help. The office is closed on Mondays, so it won't be today. Jane Partridge From: owner-l...@arachne.com on behalf of Brian Lemin Sent: 06 July 2020 06:28 To: lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] Pam Nottinghams article on Thumpers.. Keeping the Record Straight. Lace #77 Jan 1995. P 31 I would love to see a copy of this article, Can anyone help please? Thanks -- Brian Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Flacemaker%2Fsets%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce8dd88f4a29f46c6f72d08d8216f60ef%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637296109533738463&sdata=8T42%2BAQmHGUMKq6gM0CVdCZ7GHoMr2ROWeEPFZIXd0M%3D&reserved=0 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Pam Nottinghams article on Thumpers.. Keeping the Record Straight. Lace #77 Jan 1995. P 31
I would love to see a copy of this article, Can anyone help please? Thanks -- Brian Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Acheological findings in Sydney.. Australia
Whilst idly combing the net (like you do in COVID!) I have discovered that they found bobbin fragments at a digging in Sydney rock (probably years ago. Here is the thing.. all i know about UK bobbins and I do not have clue about Oz bobbins! Findings: The Material Culture of Needlework And Sewing A Google book Page 159. Yep i have sent the an email to find out more. They claim a piece of an Honiton was found..they have a pic of probably a south bucks, but more likely a continental bobbin. We will see what comes of this. BTW American readers, they have also uncovered bobbin stuff at "Five Points" excavation. Anyone know about their findings? -- Brian Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] A new article on Webdocs
Hello friends I have put up an article on ships on East Devon (Honiton bobbins) on webdocs. https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/webdocs.html *Lemin*, Brian. /A Collection of Sea Going Vessels Depicted on East Devon Bobbins. (an album)/, 23 pages. Posted July, 2020. *FIRST PAGE* <https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/webdocs/SAMPLES/lb_2020_08.gif>. File size 876KB PDF <https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/webdocs/lb_2020_08.pdf> I apologize for the boring entries that I cant show you because of the policies of the Exeter (Devon) RAMM museum. Yes I am peeved with them, but i doubt as if i will embarrass them. There are still quite a lot of ships both photos and drawings. The Guide for Collectors of East Devon Bobbins is in first draft and out to a few for comments. I will be placing it on my web page with the Dictionary etc. ( www.brianlemin.com ) I will drop arachne a note when it is up there. Thanks for your support -- Brian Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Bobbin Collectors notes and presentation ( Longish)
I rarely comment on auctions as I am often "chastised" by keen buyers who argue that publicity about an auction puts the prices up. In some ways they are right especially if i happen to highlight as special bobbin, but i doubt they need worry if i am just mentioning an auction, after all the keen buyers all know about what auctions are current. However there is a current auction (and few before it) that have presented a collectors presentation and notes about the bobbins in this collection.. as is! i.e. on a page, on a card, whatever the the collector used. The auctioneers have chosen not to remove the bobbins from their "environment" and sell them as is. I like this idea especially as we are now going through an age when the appears to be a changing of the guard of collectors as they get older, other things in their life take priority, or they just think "been there and done that"! (I am sure there are many more reasons) Their notes and thoughts are valuable to historians. I have recently written an article that i hope to get published about an older member of our community who had some interesting bobbins that she wanted to share with me (digitally) that were of special interest. She has no internet but went to the trouble of photographing the bobbins (many many times until she got them right!.. such patience) got them printed and sent them to an intermediary who passed them on to me. What an effort, what a love for her beloved occupation of lace teaching for more years than many of you have lived. The notes that she included were so interesting, they gave insight to years gone by and in one case opened up a genre that I had not come across and thus never thought of putting in my data base. I would like to offer encouragement to you collectors not to lose the personal notes on the bobbins you purchase for you collection. They are informative and in my case "emotional" (my male, stiff upper lip has disappeared!! smile) Often families do not know what to do with collection and rightly try to recoup some money from the collection for the family. Some decide to offer their collection to a local or a specialist museum in lace/bobbins whatever. I like this idea except that in my experience a few of such collections often never see the light of day, just kept in a box in the museum. Worse than that some museums refuse to entertain giving free academic access to these collections placing their need for money (museums do cost a lot to run) but to put their financial needs before public education strikes me as being unbalanced for what i believe to be a museums charter. (I admit it is an ethical question) If you offer a collection to a museum, do ascertain where their values lie, is it in education or financial gain? How do they balance these two needs and do they offer free academic access to their collections for educational purposes? Yes, I do have a bee in my bonnet about this that gifts, often (especially for bobbins) well older than the date for the non-copyright-fee, that contain interesting even valuable local history happenings and events stuck in a few pencil boxes unless you pay to see them. Forgive me for getting worked up again. I am sure you all know that without Arachne and few special collectors none of our research a writings about lace bobbins could never have been done (that includes a few museums too) PS I have started to write up the East Devon/ Downtown project. When it is finished it will be a companion publication along with the Dictionary ( www.brianlemin.com ) Oh yes I am still short of decorated Downtons and Inscribed Honitons Hope you are all keeping well. Take care Brian -- Brian Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Lorri Ferguson... can you email me please? Re Bookmark!
Just to say that I am sorry for not contacting you and whole page of excuses!! smile Brian:-[ -- Brian Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Napolionic PoW bobbin?
Just to let you know my thoughts on this bobbin are on Webdocs *Lemin*, Brian. /Napoleonic Prisoners of War and Lace Bobbins/, 12 pages. Posted June 2020. *FIRST PAGE* <https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/webdocs/SAMPLES/lb_2020_07.gif>. File size 344KB PDF <https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/webdocs/lb_2020_07.pdf> (the Webdocs URL is https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/webdocs.html. ) -- Brian Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Heart or head? Napolionic PoW bobbins?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254607849251 Recently my bobbin partner alerted me to the above bobbin sale on eBay. Her heart was asking the question if this could be a bobbin made by the Napoleonic PoWs? I looked at it and entertained similar thoughts, but then i retrieved some articles from my research db and my head began to takeover. Though i have not found any writings "of the time" telling us that the PoWs made bobbins, we do have references to them making lace at a level which challenged our English lace makers and they had to be stopped as the competition was affecting the income of the English lace makers working in the areas of their camps. It makes good sense to me that, though I have not yet found a reference to it, that they did make bobbins for their fellow prisoners to use and it follows that they sold their excess to local lace makers. Since the "Springett" revolution we have become so absorbed with trying to identify the maker that I suspect we miss what our hearts tell us. The other possible Napoleonic bobbin, that i tend to call the Nelson bobbin, i have written about on Webdocs ( *Lemin*, Brian. and Smith, D./A Most Unusual Lace Bobbin from a Surprising Source/, 18 pages. Posted May 3, 2014. *FIRST PAGE* <https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/webdocs/SAMPLES/lb_2014_01a.gif>. File size 1,000KB PDF <https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/webdocs/lb_2014_01a.pdf> ) https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/webdocs.html . <https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/webdocs.html> When we compare the two bobbins we are discussing, they have some natural affinities. It is only when we dig deeper that that the "feelings of our heart" are challenged. I have written an article about this "Victoria" bobbin that i will offer to webdocs and let you know when it is up on the web. What i really want to say is that feelings and emotions that we have to certain bobbins in our collections are very valid. There is a place for scholarship, but though I am perhaps the leading writer in that genre, I still think that heart and feelings are important and if you like a bobbin, have feelings for a bobbin, your knowledge tells you that you should challenge the scholarship, that is fine by me. Most of my thinking starts from the heart because i love bobbins and often i prove myself wrong, but those "heart feelings" never really leave me and it is only when "money" or "bobbin values" come into the equation that we need to fall back to scholarship. Enjoy your bobbins from your heart. Never mind what this hard hearted "head" writer thinks. smile. -- Brian Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Bobbin photo album... Google
Just to remind people that you can browse my bobbin post cards at https://photos.app.goo.gl/vstK8ADx3qo3KtRc6 Might pass away the time during lock-down. Even I resorted to them today!! -- Brian Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] Bucks ornament & questions about false picots & Wiltshire area bobbins
As the so called bobbin guy on this list I thought that at least I should reply and say here here to you plea for English bobbins. I do not make any more. I never made much any rate as I got hooked on the academic/history side of them instead. I have something of a private theory that the Bucks bobbins were amongst the earliest used and were in use for the longest period of time. I cant prove it but people like yourself who re discover them, loves them; gives me a bit of a boost. Brian -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com On Behalf Of Angel Sent: Wednesday, 27 March 2019 9:40 AM To: Susan Cc: lace@arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] Bucks ornament & questions about false picots & Wiltshire area bobbins Sue, I feel the same about Bucks bobbins. I would gladly replace my bobbins with nothing but Bucks bobbins. It is not that people don’t find them a good weight or uncomfortable in the hands. Problem is very few people bother to turn the bobbins you and I like! There is little demand, caused by “ignorance”, and bobbin makers prefer to make what is in demand. Of course, not making the more “obscure” or should I say “specialised” Bobbins, only helps keeps the majority of lace makers ignorant of what is available. (Or should be available) I spend a lot of energy searching for Bucks Bobbins but can only find 1 Bobbin maker who makes them, and he lately “isn’t” making them available for sale. Antiques are expensive if they are in decent shape, and lately they are also hard to find! It is no wonder that I settle for “midlands” bobbins to fill the majority of my collection. Basically, Midlands and Continental bobbins are all that’s available! Lace bobbin makers, pay attention here! I can’t be the only lace maker going crazy wanting Bucks bobbins, and Sue can’t be the only lacemaker delighting in the Downton and Trolley bobbins! We need more of these English bobbins coming off your laths! Making them available would probably increase interest and thus increase demand! Just my opinion! Cearbhael (Angel) Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 25, 2019, at 4:57 PM, Susan wrote: > For a new experiment, I want to test drive my Downtons using palms up > & a bolster as I found them hard to grasp on my flat cookie pillow. > But The Malmesbury & Devon were divine! My question is, why not use > those bobbins instead of spangled Midlands or Continentals? They are a > wonderful size & weight & except for being “plain”—think Amish—they > were great. Am I missing something here? Many thanks for any > suggestions & advice. Sincerely, Susan Hottle in sunny & breezy South > Florida, USA > - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] Bobbin question ( a ?maker? responds)
Hi, I suppose I need to chime in here on the bobbin question. Certainly fruit woods are great for bobbins as the early makers found and also those woods were plentiful at that time. Almost every home had an apple tree at least! Basically they are fine grained woods and polish very well. The wood does need to have been properly dried properly or some bending (even splitting in an extreme case) In recent years a wide range of woods have been available to bobbin makers, some very decorative and make excellent bobbins. Modern sanding and polishing materials in the hands of an experienced turner should basically eliminate any roughness, and depending on the finish the bobbins in exotic/modern(?) woods can have a very nice attractive finish. Bobbin makers are variously motivated. Some just make them for family and friends, other endeavour to glean some sort of income from their efforts. Some are well known for a particular style and sell them quite well. Others demonstrate some extremely skilled turning and variation in their output. There are some truly fantastic wood turning skills demonstrated in some modern bobbins I see. I doubt if the makers get a good return on this demonstration of their skills; but this is true of most dobby crafts, you rarely get true value from your efforts if you sell. With the , initial completion of my English Antique lace bobbin dictionary (and collecting) [www.brianlemin.com] I am turning my mind to other aspects of lace bobbins. There is a whole field of study in antique hand carved bobbins that Diana Smith has an interest in. They are in an area of difficult study, but this genre has a life of its own, sometimes in historical and social history, but I love speculating as to why, perhaps a husband, son or boyfriend would have made them for his special lace maker friend. Just think all the time they whittled away at that piece of wood to make a bobbin they were thinking of someone special. For that reason alone, hand carved bobbins should be cherished. Not that I am in any position to study them, being a very feeble artist, but the hand painting of bobbins (Particularly the East Devon Bobbins (Honiton)) are totally amazing and have brought a whole new area of artistic bobbins to be enjoyed, used and collected. I do need to say that in a general sense, the antique BONE English bobbins that we collect and use are probably "favourite" amongst collectors. I suggest that this is still true of modern bone bobbin makers. Collectors and users of these should not underestimate the amount of preliminary work that has to be done to prepare bone for turning is extensive (and perhaps smelly!!) It is a most satisfying material to turn and lends itself to great decorative turning. The material and work put into bone bobbins must reflect in their price; and in my opinion it reflects in the enjoyment we get from lace bobbins. I know you all enjoy these wonderful tools and may that enjoyment continue for you Brian -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com On Behalf Of Lorri Ferguson Sent: Sunday, 17 February 2019 5:27 AM To: Arachne list ; Adele Shaak Subject: Re: [lace] Bobbin question Even a home hobbyist can produce very fine bobbins. It is all in the sanding and polishing. I have made bobbins from various woods, one just has to take some time with the finishing. Yes, some woods are better than others - fruit woods are probably the best. I made some from the wood of the apple tree in the yard of the house I grew up in. It is super to work. But I have also used much coarser grained woods and with the proper finishing they can be just as good. Lorri Ferguson Renton, WA From: owner-l...@arachne.com on behalf of Adele Shaak Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 9:15 AM To: Arachne list Subject: Re: [lace] Bobbin question I think we need a woodworker to chime in here, but I believe that bobbins that are not professionally made may also be rough because of the type of wood used. A coarse-grained splintery softwood is never going to give you the finish of a dense hardwood. Or so I understand. Adele West Vancouver, BC (west coast of Canada, home of the splintery softwood > Sue wrote: > I felt that most of these bobbins were hand made and often a bit rough > and ready so not necessarily a style but maybe as a result of inexperience and not made by a skilled craftsman perhaps. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@add
[lace] New Web site devoted to Lace Bobbins.
Hello all, I suspect that this effort has taken me some 20 years to come to fruition, and it would not have ever happened if it were not for some very generous collectors, knowledgeable people and of course all you arachnids who helped me along. Particularly in the early days when we did more than a few team efforts to learn the practicalities around this subject. Of course I do not make lace, so I relied heavily upon you all and you came to the party every time. You will see by the introduction to the new web site my poor admin skills have been very much in evidence when it has come to individual recognition of many of your contributions to the document. Please accept my humble apologies to some of my helpers who are sadly anonymous! The web site was done by volunteers, with our son probably the lead person, but this sort of work to him, is a bit foreign, he deals in databases, patients and money! Any way, it has happened and is a bucket list achievement that I can now cross off. The correct representation of images gave a lot of difficulty, so I need to say that there may be a few of the images that you wished were better, but as I look at them they should be meaningful to you, if not perfect in my eyes. I can not finish this announcement without acknowledging the immense debt of gratitude that I have to Diana Smith, for he superb expertise, observations, social history knowledge and indeed owner and curator of what is probably the best Lace bobbin collection in the UK: THE DIANA SMITH COLLECTION. Thank you Diana, you are a very special person. I am not sure if the term "Power behind the Throne" is totally appropriate, but that is about how I feel. Smile. OK, so the main document is: "A DICTIONARY OF ANTIQUE ENGLISH LACE BOBBINS", this includes a separate section on what is probably my speciality "ENGLISH EAST DEVON (HONITON) LACE BOBBINS". There is a second paper that Diana and I worked on which is "A COLLECTORS GUIDE TO LACE BOBBINS"; all the bobbins in this document are illustrated by bobbins from the "THE DIANA SMITH COLLECTION". I have included and extensive bibliography on Lace Bobbins and also my current collection of articles on various aspects of lace bobbins. I am slowing down on this type of writing as I seem to addressed most of the differences and difficulties that a study of lace bobbins often raise. Not that I have all the answers! BTW there are couple of purely fictional tales in this list! I pretty sure I will be adding the odd article and as is my want I usually let the list know when it is up on "Arizona". Finally I have to acknowledge the work of the Springetts who really awakened lace makers interests in the tools which they use. There is little doubt that the Dictionary has been built, at least to some degree, on their excellent work. Thank you Here is the URL and it worked a few moments ago I hope it works for you and will be a valuable reference tool for you. brianlemin.com the pages load in small groups as the document is so long as you would wait a very long time before it all loaded up, so be a bit patient as you scroll down. Happy Christmas and New Year to you all. I am now of an age when my excitement is anticipating an operation in January!!! What old people do for kicks!! Smile. (oh yes, younger people too) Fondest "strings of my heart" to you all, weave them into your work! smile Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] Turning Lace Bobbins
I have replied to H M Clarke telling him it is the only book for him. Best ever for bobbin making styles. Abes books has it for about $30 which is about the cost price if I remember. The other prices I saw were ridiculous. I could sell my copy and retire!! Smile I forgot to ask him if he has approached David direct as I believe he self publishes sometimes?? Brian -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com On Behalf Of H M Clarke Sent: Wednesday, 10 October 2018 10:06 AM To: Lace Subject: [lace] Turning Lace Bobbins Greetings, oh wise lacemakers. I am interested in David Springett’s book “Turning Lace Bobbins”. Since it is long out of print, I am unable to look at a copy first. I am looking for the ‘tricks of the trade’ for doing the different decorative styles rather than topics such as ‘how to turn a basic bobbin’ or ‘choosing or setting up your lathe’ or even ‘how to turn bone’. Therefore I am looking to you for more information. Do you have this book? Is it any good? What topics does it cover? How do you think it compares with my ‘wish list’ above? If anyone knows of a cheap copy then I would be delighted to hear that as well ;-) Thank you in advance, Helen in the sunny west coast of mainland Canada, where most people are recovering from Thanksgiving - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Franz Muller Hanging bobbin. Buyer beware
http://www.keysauctions.co.uk/ This auctioneer is offering a Franz Muller hanging bobbin for sale in a few days time.. I suggest that would be buyers first read C and D Springetts evaluation of another Franz Muller bobbin on page 85 of their book "Success to the Lace Pillow" Many of their observations regarding the authenticity of the bobbin they are talking about applies to this bobbin. I offer this advice without personally judging the bobbin as I would probably need to see and handle it to make a proper judgement. These bobbins often make large sums of money at auctions. Like the Springetts say. "Caveat Emptor" Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Modern vs Tradtional
Hi all, You will know that I am not a lace maker, but in my patchwork hobby life, we are experiencing the same slow evolution away from traditional patchworking. When it first started happening I "blamed" artists taking over our hobby, but now I see that it is a generational trait. We are living in a modern world where change is happening all around us, and our hobbies are part of that change. Not because of technology but new people entering the craft look at things differently. I just recommend enjoying what you do and like, and have fun. Don't waste time on moaning about the inevitable. I do know that there will always be a traditional stream in our crafts, because without it people will have nowhere to go to be "different!! Smile. I have to confess that in Patchwork , whilst I do make some traditional quilts, I am considered as being "modern" (sorry) Brian Blog: https://modernquiltjourney.wordpress.com/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] Arachne Anniversary
HI, I have no idea when I joined or how I joined, but I do know this that my early effort to study bobbins were a very collegiate approach with Arachne members. I have always remembered your willing help and contributions. There is no doubt as to the value I put on my membership of this enthusiastic group. Thank you all very much. Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Ipswich Lace bobbin
Hello again after a long time! Smile. I just would like to let you good folks know that despite many efforts via the USA over the years I do not have a genuine "antique" Ipswich bobbin. A few pictures of such a bobbin would suffice for my purposes, especially showing the "hollow" nature of it, together with your permission to use it in any of my academic articles. Can anyone help please? With special thanks to the Diana Smith collection of Antique Lace Bobbins I have finally completed "A Dictionary of English Antique Lace Bobbins and Lace Making Paraphernalia" and a "Collectors Guide to English Antique Lace Bobbins". I have a few feelers out there to get help to publish these documents on the Internet. I will let you know when , (if) they get published. Have a happy time over the celebrations of this time of the year. Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] "Continental Lace Bobbins" (Lace Bobbins of the world?)
Hello again spiders, At the time of the preparation for writing the Guide and Dictionary, I also mentioned my digital (and actual) collection of what I am calling my "Continental Bobbin Collection". As I am poorly educated in this area of bobbins I asked for a volunteer who may sort or classify them into countries, then we could put them on the net (hopefully) In fact I have them already sorted into countries to my level of knowledge, but I am sure there are E and O. There was one person who did volunteer, but because of the volume of work that the above web publications involved, I must clearly have ignored them (for which I apologise) If someone is interested in this project, I will happily send them my current resources on a USB and if a worthwhile collection for sharing; knowledge/education comes about, then I will happily try and get it up on the web. Frankly I do not want my name on any such outcome, so it will be all "yours" ! BTW Arachne members have indeed contributed over the years to this collection. Many thanks to them. I would like their generosity acknowledged by a web publication if we can. With special apologies to the original volunteer. Brian brid...@bigpond.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Honiton (East Devon) antique Bobbins ? Downton's and Malmesbury Bobbins. I am "after them" !!! smile
Hi Spiders, I hope to get the East Midland Collectors Guide and Antique English Lace Bobbin Dictionary up on line soon. Meanwhile I have been looking at my digital East Devon (Honiton) bobbin collection and it is a bit "lacking"! Come to that, so too are my examples of Downton and Malmesbury bobbins. I wonder if any of you who may have Antique examples of these groups would be kind enough to send me pics or scans of them. Please. Malmesbury are essentially plain bobbins, but regarding Honiton's and Downton's I really would only like decorated examples of them please. They do need to be antique / vintage please. I just love the modern painted versions, just beautiful, but they do not fit into my field of study and collecting. Sorry. Any initials and dates on bobbins are very useful to their study. Re Honitons, ships, household items (social history) and inscriptions are very welcome (With text of inscription please.) Everyone points me to All Hallows when I make this type of appeal; suffice to say they are good friends of mine. Some museums like Exeter have good Honiton collections if you are keen photographers? No , I am not running out of areas of study, but would like to have the whole of England represented as well as I can. Thanks a lot Brian brid...@bigpond.com <mailto:brid...@bigpond.com> - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] A Collectors Guide to Lace Bobbins. Now ready! and Question for you!!!
Hello all, Many will be aware that I have compiled (at the editing stage) A Dictionary of English Antique Lace Bobbins appropriate for web publication. I have also written "A Collectors Guide to Antique English Lace Bobbins" which is complete and ready for web publication. I need to say that this guide could not have been created without my being given total access to the Diana Smith Collection, (Lace bobbins) and her advice and guidance so freely and expertly given. I acknowledge her help with deep gratitude as it is the pre-eminent lace bobbin collection in private hands that I am aware of. This document is based on a classification first published by Charles Freeman in a booklet published by the Borough of Luton Museum and Art Gallery (1958 and reprinted until 1980) Its title is "Pillow Lace in the East Midlands" and possibly the book that started my education and building of knowledge on Lace Bobbins. I am biased, but it is a great starter for collectors, it is totally and beautifully illustrated in colour and covers all the genres a beginner or even an average collector would need. It has excellent examples from the Diana Smith Collection illustrated in each genre. I am really looking for a suitable and willing web site to host this document. "Proudly" (all authors have big egos about their work! Smile) I would like it on a site of significance to Lace and one which the webmaster keeps a reasonable eye on the content and presentation of their site. Perhaps you would be kind enough to share your suggestions on this list please. I need to say that this document is not suitable for one such lace archive lace web site that is in preparation. I am not guaranteeing I will follow your advice, but I will consider all suggestions as I believe in the process of consultation as two heads are better than one. I have considered hosting my own page, but I am erratic, up and down, procrastinate and not madly interested in running a web site [a bit bipolar I think] So that is out of the question. I am not at all interested in commercial print publication, besides I think it is difficult, expensive and not necessarily "profitable" in the end; besides which this is my hobby not my job. Summary. I am looking for a reputable "lace" based web site that would care for "my" publication (Please remember the generosity of the Diana Smith Collection) and be available for all web users and bobbin collectors to consult. What do you think? Thanks a lot Brian BTW, You might like to see my "other" hobby blog!! Beware, you might get a surprise! .smile https://modernquiltjourney.wordpress.com/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Whoops.. something went wrong with my email.
Here it is again and in full. So sorry Hi All, I have just downloaded the latest win 10 update that is lauding their 3D programme. I was excited as many of you will know that, thanks to generous donors of images, I have a collection of âcylindrical bobbinsâ that can be seen on a flat picture. I.e I have pictures of it from all horizontal positions. I happily thought that I would pop one of these in this magic programmes and get a 3D image. No, it does not seem to work like that! It is set up to get 3D object printing. I do not wat that. I would love to have a 3D image that I can scroll around with my mouse and look at it all over. I see there are various âphoto to 3D imageâ programmes out there (Free). Does there happen to be an âexpertâ amongst us that can recommend a simple (beginners) approach to what I am trying to achieve please? Yes, I have had a few goes, but if there is anyone who might be willing to âhold my handâ (Jean will be OK with that!!) I would be so delighted. It seems to be a very specialist area, but who knows, we are a big community. To summarize: I would like to convert say 3 or 4 images that, put together, cover the whole circumference of the bobbin; into a 3D image that I can manipulate in every direction with my mouse or cursor. Perhaps I have the wrong idea and I need to be put right! More than possible. If you can help it would be great. I seem to be asking for a lot of help on this list lately. Many thanks Brian (3D image makerâ¦.. failed!) â¹ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] 3D lace bobbin pictures. I really need help
Hi All, I have just downloaded the latest win 10 update that is lauding their 3D programme. I was excited as many of you will know that, thanks to generous donors of images, I have a collection of âcylindrical bobbinsâ that can be seen on a flat picture. I.e I have pictures of it from all horizontal positions. I happily thought that I would pop one of these in this magic programmes and get a 3D image. No, it does not seem to work like that! It is set up to get 3D object printing. I do not wat that. I would love to have a 3D image that I can scroll around with my mouse and look at it all over. I see there are various âphoto to 3D imageâ programmes out there (Free). Does there happen to be an âexpertâ amongst us that can recommend a simple (beginners) approach to what I am trying to achieve please? Yes, I have had a few goes, but if there is anyone who might be willing to âhold my handâ (Jean will be OK with that!!) I would be so delighted. It seems to be a very specialist area, but who knows, we are a big community. To summarize: I would like to convert say 3 or 4 images that, put together, cover the whole circumference of the bobbin; into a 3D image that I can manipulate in every direction with my mouse or cursor. Perhaps I have the wrong idea and I need to be put right! More than possible. If you can help it would be great. I seem to be asking for a lot of help on this list lately. Many thanks Brian (3D image makerâ¦.. failed!) â¹ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Off topic. Help with Japanese language
Hello All, I collect "traditional" Kokeshi dolls. I have one with Japanese writing on it. I can photograph it and send a kind person a jpg of it if they would kindly translate it for me. Many thanks spiders for letting me hi-jack you today. Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Jeriames, help with contact
I am trying to contact Jeriames, but I keep getting rejected by AOL. Can someone help me contact her please? I can pass a message via "your" good services. Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] David Collyer.. please
Sorry about barge in in on the list.. David, could you drop me a line please, particularly about your Tassie bobbins. The Richard Dillingham research has led me to the Female Convict Factories in van Diemen's Land, and lace makers have been mentioned by one researcher. It had dawned on me that the parlous state of the lace making industry at that time, and the moral attitudes of magistrates in Britain, might well have led to a number of female lace makers being deported. I am willing to bet you have done the research already! Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Luton Museum Volunteers. Wardown Park. Can you help please?
Many years ago I was in contact with a few of you. are you still around? You may remember I studied bobbins there for a week. can't remember when! I understand that Wardown Park is closed for refurbishing and I presume that the collection is in store or other disarray. I have a written (email) to the Museum a couple of times enquiring about the "Richard Dillingham - Transported bobbin", a picture of which appears in Alice-May Bullocks book (Page 95. name spelt incorrectly). Lace and Lace Making . If in fact any of you volunteers do have a personal contact that might be able by: 1. Confirming its existence, possibly from the accession register? And 2. Personally chat to someone about my request for back and front photographs (so we can see "all" the inscription) for academic publication. I have written the article on him now and only used the Bedford Museum (Higgins) photograph in it, but I think it would be great if I could include the Wardown Park picture too, especially as they have been so kind to me over the years. A voice from the past. It will be nice to hello to you again. Smile. Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re Richard Dillingham... some good news
Hello all, I have had a stroke of luck. I have found a "local" genealogist who has actually done some work on him and he has shared it with me (or will do(!)) Just 100 kms from me. He has offered me all the help I need. I can't imagine my luck! Watch this space to be bored with my fanaticism. Just think, if I was a lace maker how I would be hassling you all!! So do not encourage me to take it up! Smile. Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Genealogist?
Because one of the flaws in my aging process is forgetting people's names, I ashamedly put out a call to the member whom I know quite well through the list and our correspondence. The member is also a genealogist of some expertise and I am in great need of help as I try and unravel the English life of "Richard Dillingham" a Bedfordshire man sentenced to Transportation in Australia. I have been given permission to use this rare bobbin by the Higgins Museum Bedford and I want to do them justice by writing a good article about the bobbin and the man as a convict "down-under". I am blessed to have a booklet of his 7 letters written to his family which, as yet (it arrived yesterday) I have not read, let alone studied. My problem is his family and life in England before he was transported. I have accessed some Bedford sites, that paint a very confusing picture of the man, was he married or not? Did he have children (illegitimate or not?) I think this member may be able to help me if she is not too busy. Fingers crossed! smile Your forgetful friend Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] The Lace Makers of Narsapur
http://www.spinifexpress.com.au/Bookstore/book/id=231/ The above link may be of interests to a few readers. It includes a podcast interview. Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] "Radicalism" amongst Lace makers in the 1800s! H E L P
Hello all, I tried to write an article on the above topic, based on some pertinent inscriptions on lace bobbins and the social status of lace makers during the 1800s. To be honest, I feel I am totally out of my depth even though I did take "The Social and Economic History of England" a long (long-long) time ago. It does not set out to be a highly academic article, that is not how I write, but one that perhaps demonstrates the times in which they lived, the implications of their occupation on their social and economic welfare and how they fitted into the general social thinking of their time, and the possibility that they did harbor radical thoughts and ideals.. I am sure that amongst our members there will be someone who is much more knowledgeable than me on this topic. If there is, and they would like to put their hand up, I will happily: A. Handover my MS for the volunteer to use totally as they wish B. Send it to them so they can re-write it!!! C. Offer me much needed help and guidance. even pan it and consign it to the round file.. It happens! I just thought I would ask around in case something much better than what I have written might emerge (It is bound to, you good folks know pretty well everything!) Thanks Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Help.....A practice bobbin I sold years ago... lost????????
Did an Arachne member buy one of the bobbins that made as practice? It was highly ornamental, lose rings and one missing, after Joseph Haskins. I want to check a picture that I am using in the dictionary to illustrate "fake bobbins". I thought the picture I was using was that bobbin that I had made, but I am being challenged that the picture I am using is not made by me. They could be right as I was not good at filing my collection in those days, but does anyone remember buying it off eBay from me? If so can they take a pic of it for me. Please. Many thanks Brian PS It was a long long time ago perhaps ten years? - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Royal Mistresses?
Still on about the possible Royal Bobbins article. I was looking to see if bobbins had any fringe associations with royalty. Kitty Fisher, does not seem to have strayed into the royal mistress role. I do not know a Nell Gwyn bobbin. The son of Queen Victoria, the Prince of Wales was associated with Mrs. Keppel, but I do not know of a Keppel bobbin? So what "juicy" associations might you have on your bobbins? Please share with me. I am doubtful of a response. but if it comes it would be amazing. Smile I am beginning to think it is going to be a "dull" article. Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re King George bobbin
Sorry guys it was George iii. George showed his gratitude by giving him the lucrative post of warden of the Cinque ports. During the spring he made visits of inspection to Chatham and Portsmouth; on 28 September he made a tour for the purpose of holding reviews at Winchester, Salisbury, and Warley in Essex, and on 22 November reviewed the troops encamped on Coxheath, near Maidstone. This visit is the one which I believe to have been recorded on a Downton Bobbin. The owner told me a great story about it many years ago. Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Kings and Queens of England
Hello all, Following some correspondence with a member I am encouraged to write something about "ROYAL" bobbins. I have a reasonable collection or access to royal bobbins before say 1700. Do any of you have a collection of royal bobbins say from 1800 onwards? If you have nice collection of same, why not write the article yourself rather than a scavenger like me? I think it could be interesting as it would include modern bobbins as well as antique bobbins which I specialize in. Just beware of "King Richard", I am totally convinced that this bobbin should be read "Richard King". Get out your collection and wow us with what you have. Give it a go. Smiles Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re article Classification etc.
Sorry, but I failed to include the "Folder List" I mention as part of creating the folders for such a classification on you PC. I will send it to you individually as I doubt that many will want to create this on their PC. Sorry for that omission. Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] The articles are posted in two sections of Arizona uni
Once on web docs (the link I have given you), the other on the Lace section Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Two new articles on "Webdocs" Arizona Uni
I like writing, and sharing my thoughts and ideas. They are far from perfect, but they are published at least as a starter (for 10!). Lemin, Brian. A Classification of Antique East Midland Lace Bobbins for Collectors., 25 pages. Posted October 19, 2016. <https://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/webdocs/SAMPLES/lb_2016_02.gif> FIRST PAGE. File size 385KB PDF <https://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/webdocs/lb_2016_02.pdf> This is something I have long promised to do. I have done it (!) and share it with anyone interested, however when I started to actually use it on my PC I remembered other things. So whilst, from my point of view it is say 98% complete, the process allows users to add as they go. If folk want to know what I have added they can drop me a note. The last part of the article is only for those who perhaps want to implement it on a "PC", so no need to read it all. Lemin, Brian. AUCTION HARVESTING: Two unique bobbins found., 4 pages. Posted October 19, 2016. <https://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/webdocs/SAMPLES/lb_2016_01.gif> FIRST PAGE. File size 385KB PDF <https://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/webdocs/lb_2016_01.pdf> I love doing this sort of thing. You would be amazed what I find! In fact I have a very special find that I still have not written up. For bobbin collector these two bobbins are interesting. If any of you have any like this I would be so pleased to hear from you Sort of PS! To my amazement, in my email programme (Microsoft Outlook) If you "control click" on the "PDF" it will download on your Internet server. Well it does for me. Much better than searching for it on Arizona! Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re Rannsom Dilligham.. transported. Botany Bay .......Inscription wrong?
I am doing research on this bobbin as the Higgins has granted approval to use their image in the Dictionary. I seem to remember that when I first raised this a member wrote and gave me some information on the inscription being wrong. Can you drop me those corrections again please, as I can only find a RICHARD DILLINGHAM VAN DIEMAN"S LAND in the convict records. Sorry about that, at the time I should have recorded it but I did not. Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] New member ..welcome
Hi Joseph, I just thought that you should get a welcome from one of the men on the list. There are few of us, and all of them know a lot more about lace than I do, but if you happen to have a great collection of antique lace bobbins I will promise to mither you regularly! (Now I am wondering if "mither" is an Australian word? Perhaps "hassle" is an equivalent?) Enjoy the list, great people and most willing to share knowledge skills, and antique lace bobbins. Happy to have you on-board Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Contact please: Pompi Parry
Hi, could you drop me a personal email please? Many thanks Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Modern bobbin makers
Hi All, Not that I have any particular reason for writing this note to you, but I just thought that you should know that though I am very fond of antique bobbins, I am not totally one eyed about them. Our modern bobbin makers are innovative and skilled turners and frankly (with some exceptions) produce better bobbins that the antique makers. I could be nasty and say -I should think so too- considering the modern lathes and tools they have! but they show great turning skills. [much better than mine!!!] I have seen some really amazing modern bobbins, and in say, 50 years' time, there will be someone like me writing a monograph about their achievements. I also need to mention particularly those artists who paint the bobbins. They are exquisite. Here is to your beautiful pillows -smiles Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Bobbin restoration
On the whole folks seem to be OK with basic restoration. Most seem to expect that the spangle wire has been replaced at some time in the past. It seems the bobbin needs to be useable, and therefore look nice. Just before I decided to drop this note I went on ebay and this item number attracted me regarding restoration possibilities. : eBay item number: 322277029649. The middle one has pretty well had it, but the other two would be nice when restored. David Springett's book, Making Lace Bobbins has good section on "decorating" [restoring!!!] It is quite easy, needs patience (I lack a dollop of that) Collect wire, tinsel and tiny (yes, tiny please) beads, then for the item above, you are away. Think about it if you are that way inclined. Drop me a note and pic if you are not sure what would go where. Now the ethics of this issue. I certainly think a restored bobbin, if offered for sale, should state that it has been restored. That museums struggle with this does not surprise me, antique bobbins are really a specialization. You users who handle antique bobbins day after day are the experts. You absorb the detail, the feel, the patina and to be very unscientific, the authenticity of the tool. Regarding the comment on the wooden neck being pushed into the shank of a bone bobbin; yes it could well be a restoration, but believe me when such a neck is pushed into one of the fat, heavily inscribed bobbins, there could well be the issue of the bobbin maker being able to use nice piece of bone instead of leaving it in a box ( I have a pile of so called "useable" bone in a box!) There are quite of lot of these possible examples you can see. Oh, that reminds me I have an interesting article soon to go up on Webdocs that has some application to that topic. I will let you know when it is up on the web site. The act of restoring is not for everyone, but a horrible dirty bone bobbin devoid of its original glory seem such a sorry right. Brian PS now the price of every restorable bobbin will go up! Grrr. I remember once pointing out a lovely bobbin up for auction and all the would be buyers "flamed me" [quite nicely I assure you]. so I do not do it anymore! - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] restoration of antique lace bobbins?
Hi Folks, I am always peering at auctions and bobbins sales and sometimes I see a bobbin or a group of bobbin in a terrible state, dirty, wire missing, beads missing, but basically the bobbin is ok. Every occasionally (very occasionally) I see a bobbin that to me has been restored. It looks good, its functional, sure it does not look 100 years old, but who really knows, especially if the spangle looks pretty original. What do you guys think about restoring bobbins? We do not give a second thought to restoring furniture, but do we think a bobbin in poor condition should stay that way? Certainly some types of antiques lose some of their value because of restoration, and perhaps bobbins should too. I don't know. What do you think? I am writing this because I am about to submit an article on "repaired" bobbins I found at an auction site, to web docs. A bit different to what I am talking about now, but similar enough for me to raise this with you. Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Looking for a book?
Does anyone happen to have a copy of the book, "Fuseaux Normands" I have no more information that that. no author, no publisher. nothing. sorry. I do have an excellent photograph of bobbins from the book and I was wondering if the book has more pictures? Once I had about 7 year old French, now I only remember the rude words! Typical! I say that as I will use a translator if you write to me in French, but I also have a French "near" neighbor that might be able to help me. Keeping my fingers crossed. Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Hard disk failure... trying to remember my "Continental bobbin Member helper/Volunteer!"
Hello all, I should have used the heading "heart failure". Yes my HD went bung and I lost a lot of stuff, but, more by luck that judgement, pretty well all of the collectors guide that Diana and I are working on, I had luckily saved I think the day before, on my second disk. It has caused a bit of confusion between us, but I think it is on track now. The Dictionary is away being edited. phew!! What I have lost are all my old emails (and email addresses) Amongst them was a member who had volunteered to help organize my digital collection of Continental Lace Bobbins. Being a mere male, I am totally unable to do two things at once and left the matter of the Continentals until after the Dictionary and Collectors guide were done (well sort-of, at least) Would the kind volunteer who offered her help to me, and to whom I would have said "yes" (moons ago) kindly contact me again, IF she forgives me; because I am pretty close to be able to get that project started. Sorry good friend L. Just one bit of news, we have managed to find a "Transported to Botany Bay" bobbin. It is on Display at the Higgins, Bedford museum. There is a B and W pic of it in a book, but this is the real bobbin. I am currently negotiating with the Higgins, to use it in the dictionary. I found it after I had the HD failure and was trawling through the cd backups I made over the years to collect as much of the stuff I lost as I could. To my surprise I saw that I had taken a video of my visit to the Higgins (long Long ago) so I thought I would watch it. and. there it was. I think the word is "Serendipity" . Now I need to find the "Suicide" bobbin that seems to have disappeared from our collectors community. No doubt there are others too that are lost over the years. BTW I am bit short of Cryptic or Puzzle bobbins, if anyone would like to offer one for my archives. please. I have a couple, but would like examples of more. Do you remember the fun we had de-crypting the puzzle bobbins within Arachne all those years ago. I did write it up and it is on webdocs (Arizona uni). We did a few projects together, then I started to get too big for my boots and thought that I knew everything (write dictionary and discover how much you DO NOT know!!!) OK, that is about it for the time being, Apologies to my Continental volunteer friend! Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Combined thanks.
Hi, At heart I am a lazy guy, but "all" the kind remarks that so many of you have sent me really demands a heart-felt thank you and appreciation, but my lazy nature demands that I thank you all in one email :( I am guessing it started 10 years ago and I have built on it from time to time over the years (I go "in and out" of bobbin collecting and writing from time to time!) I have probably almost 2000 annotated "6"X4", postcards" of bobbins, (remember them?) almost 50 articles, at least 10 donated digital collections, many individual gifts and a number of scavenged collections that I think should be recorded for history. They are nearly all in albums and I use them for study, but mostly for a sort of coffee table relaxation, because those bobbins are both beautiful and interesting. It has been most enjoyable, but now folks like the Springetts, Hopewell, and in a different category, Freeman, Yallop and Wright have made their enormous contribution, I am just a big fish in a little pond. However you Arachnids, continue to feed me in that bowl on your side board, so I keep going. My special bobbin friend Diana, will put a flea-in-my-ear for bringing her contribution to my work to the fore, she is so knowledgeable but very private; however she has been so willing to share all that she knows with me. Thank you Though I have published professionally from time to time in my life, I am one of those who believes that the internet should be "free" (I have lost that battle) I have always been happy to tell my donors that I will not make any personal financial gain from their generous digital donations, and this web based project brings that promise to an exciting end. I am honoured to be one of your number. who has only once wound a bobbin, then it was to see how the machine worked!! (Boo, very Hoo) I remain, a relapsed bobbin turner. Oh, I do turn the odd bobbin from time to time but the modern makers (and painters) are streets ahead of me. They are doing amazing work. When their work becomes vintage, the study of their skills and designs will be outstrip what I have done. Those who can do. "do", those who can't "do" write about it! Brian. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Potted bio... got one!
Though I must be quick to add that the generous author has done more than just pot Gertrude! It is quite full and both interesting and absorbing. The "contract" with her is yet to be signed! :) What source this list is. Love you all. Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Gertrude Whiting - Potted Biography?
Good morning from down under! I have been looking for a potted biography of Gertrude Whiting to go as a preamble to the collection of pictures I have of her bobbin collection. I can get details of birth etc. but not a little "essay" about her life. Is there a source out there that anyone can point me to please? After years (and years) the first draft of my Antique English Lace Bobbin Dictionary is complete and gone for editing. It will NOT be published in hard copy, but hopefully on a web page in the public domain. It is quite close to 200 pages, but a lot of that is pictures. I am hoping that with the dictionary there will be an illustrated collectors guide too (not values) but illustrations of bobbins following the Freemans index. I plan to migrate all my articles to the same page (not sure yet if that will work) Do not get too excited. It will take time for it to appear on the net. (fair amount of time I think) I will be certain to let you know when it is up. Feeling good (!) as anyone who has finalized a long term project will know. Lots of thanks to lots of you good people. Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Help with research please? Possibly genealogical????????
Hello all, 1. There is an intimation in Whiting that the bobbins of East Devon (Honiton bobbins) were all decorated in "Workshops" dedicated to that function. 2. Theses could possibly be associated with lace dealers or shops dealing in lace making needs; but not necessarily so. 3. My studies show that clearly a number of designs can be associated with one person or a workshop. When I was studying East Midland bobbins I had access to a set of census disks for the UK and managed to find a few names of bobbin makers that have not featured in Springett. I did this by searching under occupations. Since I started concentrating on the East Devon (Honiton) bobbins I have struggled to ascertain if these bobbins were indeed decorated by specialists in workshops as "rumored". It dawned on me rather late, that I should search the Census records for bobbin decoration, painting, design, even turning/making (or other innovative searches, that might reveal this sort of information) I no longer have access to these census disks, and though I have tried very hard to do similar searches on the free genealogical data bases, I have failed to be able to search for these occupations in Devon/Somerset/Dorset/Hampshire. Is there a possibility that any of you have these disks or access to them and could do the searches for me? Please. I know it is a big ask, and is a lot of work, but it is an unanswered question relating to these bobbins, for which their decoration is pretty well, the only distinctive feature of the bobbins. If you are able to help I would be delighted. Drop me a note if you want, before you get searching or else, solve the problem I am trying to answer, then tell me about what you find before you write it up for publication. (Please) :) Many thanks. Brian PS I found a bobbin with FIVE sets of spangles on it! You may have seen it too. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Wearing lace
I just thought I would brighten up the list (as it appears that some members would appreciate it) I like ladies wearing lace!! :) Sometimes they pop up on my computer screen and I have to tell Jean I was Googling "lace bobbins"! Light heartedly.With no disrespect meant. Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] encouraging young lace makers/artists
Dear All, With "mock" fear and trepidation I dare to enter into a contribution regarding your beloved hobby. (I consider myself just a hanger on!) My contribution is to certainly encourage younger people into your lace making skill; but to limit it to what I would call "traditional" lace making rather than "artistic" lace making is missing a valuable and creative aspect to your hobby. The nearest I get to using thread is my comparative new entry into machine patchwork quilting. Jean (my wife) has been a traditional patch worker for many years and we have always supported each other in our hobby pursuits, but after I made 2 or 3 traditional quilts I said to her that I wanted to move into artistic creations. Her comment to me was "I think have created a monster!" :) The point I want to make is that my move in this direction has led me to creating patterns, learning and developing new methods to reach the "artistic" goal, spending hours on U Tube learning new skills. I doubt I would have done any of that had I stuck to the traditional path. Sure I have not reached a level of skill to be able to contribute possibly something new, time saving, creative to my fellow quilters. I hope I will. For all of the above, I am enjoying my new hobby and the direction I have chosen. That is the key to any pastime you may choose, are you having fun? I think the point I want to make is that there is room for both streams. The young (as you all will know) have minds of their own and if they are attracted to lace making because they can use their imaginative and artistic abilities, I suggest they should be welcomed and encouraged. All this uninformed opinion is from a non-lace maker who is considered a "monster" by his lovely wife! :) (I think she loves me really!) Your friendly Monster Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Looking for an antique/vintage bobbin with initials and a date?
Something like: cb 1828. I have plenty with initials only and indeed dates, but not initials and dates on the same bobbin (See Freeman page 35) Drop me a note if you can help. Many thanks. Dictionary is making good progress. Decided to make the Honiton/East Devon as part two of the Dictionary, might include other non-East Midland types.. Not sure yet. All this searching of my data Base for this dictionary has revealed that I have written 44 articles on lace bobbins/equipment topics over the years. That was a real surprise to me. Quite few of the early ones were in collaboration with this lists members. :) Those were the days! Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Do you have a "Transported" bobbin?
Hello all, I thought I had a bobbin that recorded the transportation of a man to Australia. I'm blowed if I can find it in my Db. Can any of you help please? Drop me a note if you have one.. Please. I am going through the 5th edit.. It is 140 pages at the moment! Still we are getting there. Thanks Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Have you a "Suicide" bobbin?
I am looking for a picture of a suicide bobbin. The recorded name is Joseph West. Cranfield I am not sure if the word suicide is on the bobbin, but I suspect it is. I have never seen one (or do not remember seeing one!) but it is clearly reported in the literature. If you can help drop me a note please. Also ask around of your bobbin collector friends.. Please:) Many thanks. Gee . I am relying on you all a lot.. Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Flickr.... success.
I am in and registered and enjoying the pictures. Had a great "most of an hour" on the site. You guys are so clever.. Please do not ask me to learn to make lace.. I love it, I love the tools but I sincerely doubt I will take it up. :) Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Need help to get on to Flickr please
I am sorry to trouble you but I do not know how to get on to "Arachne's Flickr" to view photos. I would be glad of a helping hand. Many thanks Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re bead illustrations.
Thank you for your help spiders. I now have even an expanded table of beads with illustrations that have been donated to me. Many thanks Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Lace Maker's Horse/ Pillow Horse Picture... OK
Thanks for the help. I now have a legit Pillow Horse Picture. :) Brian Beads to come _ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter <http://www.spamfighter.com/len> . SPAMfighter has removed 75 of my spam emails to date. Do you have a slow PC? <http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen> Try a free scan! - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Help again.....Stuck for special spangle beads? and perhaps a vintage pillow horse? For the Dictionary
Hi All, Firstly I need to say that I have been through all of the nearly 150 pages and sent them off to my editor (Nice lady, but I think Sargent major is a better name for her!! ) :) Yes she is an Arachne member. fancy being an Arachnid "and" a sergeant major!!! You are all so kind and nice. The issue of copyright is always with us when we are publishing things, even on the net and even when it is public domain. I am OK with that as with my bobbins, the kind people who have sent me or made their collections available for me to photograph have given me their permission (again thanks to you all) So bobbins I am OK for but peripheral things I am having difficulty with. I have spent hours trying to get pictures of beads that illustrate Christine and David Springetts "Spangles and Superstitions" booklet, I am pretty well square eyed looking at my bobbin spangles!. Christine has put drawings of them on that last two pages of her booklet. It is true I have pics of some of these on my spangle pics but they do not Photoshop out in a manner that will illustrate well in the Dictionary. Here is here list, but I warn you modern names for such beads differ a great deal from the Antique/vintage African Trade beads which the lace makers had easiest access to. This is the list of the beads I have not got legal access to a picture. Horned eye, Nut Marvered Rope or ribbon Confetti crumbed Decorated square crumbed Quarterns Faceted cane Wound spiral Serpents eye Evil eye The two latter would be lace makers colloquial names for them Pictures of beads would need to be from reasonably close up, with focus as always being the main feature. Re that latter two I would really need pics from a couple of angles to be able to tell the story correctly. The other thing I am looking for is an antique/vintage pillow horse picture please. Thanks again Brian _ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter <http://www.spamfighter.com/len> . SPAMfighter has removed 75 of my spam emails to date. Do you have a slow PC? <http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen> Try a free scan! - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] I am up to "L"!
Yes of course it is the first serious draft/edit. Does anyone have an antique lace stick. Used for measuring the lace that buyer would pay for? I have picture of one.. but when I print it just looks like a pencil line. I clearly need a better picture. Sometimes call a "yard stick" Can anyone help please? Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Pins... pretty well sorted! but...
Hi Arachnids (of the kindest types!) Thank you for all your help, references and "especially" for being reminded that I wrote an article on Arizona Webdocs about Pins and Lace Making. ( https://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/webdocs.html.. You will need to scroll down quite way to get to my list of articles) I have all the text that I need in that article (it is really good. I can't believe I wrote it!! :)I told you I was falling to bits! Grrr) I still lack illustrations for the "functionally named" pins if you can help. I have managed to illustrate all of Freemans pins which is very helpful. Anyway if you can help with any pics that will be good.. but I am now pressing on with the job and will review what I have when I have been through the first draft of the Dictionary. You are really good friends. Thank you Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Wright on Pins (Romance of the Lace Pillow) and sort of good news
After sending my last email I took to my books in desperation... I share this with you all. The divider pin in the cited plate is one similar to which a member has sent me an illustration of. Very nice example. Thanks 42. Pins. The early brass pins made in England had a globular head of fine twisted wire made separately and secured to the shank by compression from a falling block and die. Consequently the heads often came off. It was not until 1840 that the kind with solid heads now universally in use appeared on the market. The workers liked to use pins with red waxed or beaded heads for the Headside' (or Turnside) of the lace, and gold wax or green beaded pins for the Footside. Sometimes, however, for these purposes they used pins on which were threaded six or more tiny beads of blue and white or red and white placed alternately. In North Bucks these pins are called Limicks, in South Bucks Bugles, in Beds, King Pins, and like the other coloured pins they added greatly to the beauty of the pillow. In making limicks, after the beads had been 1 Also called Dykeside~ if the lace has dykes. threaded on a pin, the head of another pin (often removed, I am sorry to say, by the teeth) was threaded to prevent the beads from dropping off, so for every limick that was made one pin was wasted. As the heads of modern pins are not removable, limicks cannot now be made. Other pins were ornamented with the seeds of goosegrass- Burheads as they are called, which were put on over the head of the pin; not pushed up from the point. Mrs. F. Taylor of Huntspell Court, Bridgwater, has the great curiosity of two pins with bone heads, inscribed respectively, in the usual dotted fashion common to bobbins, with the names Ruth and Thomas. They were purchased twenty years ago near Brackley, Northants. (See Plate 21.) The Olney workers. in order to time themselves, used to stick in a specially ornamented pin called the Striver. and they would notice how long it took before that pin was worked out again. Hope I am not boring you. I am finding this fascinating!!! J Brian I have an eBook (PDF) of Wright.. the mistakes could well be the OCR difficulty Now Read ON!!! I have found a set of diagrams that cover most of the pins I need. Not the same as actual Pictures but if you look in "Pillow Lace in the East Midlands" (Luton Museum) Charles Freeman (quite my favourite "modern" book) Page 29 you will see them. They are probably under copyright! Some progress at least J Happy me!!J - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
