Re: [lace] Bedfordshire lace
Tanne/cotona is designed as a machine embroidery thread and like all machine threads it has a Z twist to suit the way sewing machines work. If it causes problems with the way you personally work BL the solution is to try and find S twisted thread; most linens, cotton perle, cotton a broder etc. Winding your bobbins in the opposite direction, and thus lengthening them in the opposite direction as you work might help or you might find it even worse than constantly retwisting the thread! Cordonnet Special is OK for BL if you want a a hard, crisp finish; ie table mats etc. Itâs not good if you want the lace to drape softly, or for anything that might be in contact with your skin! Brenda > Madeira Cotona 30âI own too many spoolsânone whiteâbut it seems to un-ply itself while working. It made my lace (a different pattern) look scraggly & itâs too fiddly to keep spinning all the bobbins because it comes un-plied every other stitch. The only solution that came to mind is to wind anti-clockwise. Are there any other suggestions to tame Cotona? While I hate to give up on pretty thread, thereâs no ! > reason to be miserable! And of course my big questionâwhat to do with so many balls of Cordonnet Special, in multiple sizes? Egad, I donât tat & I rarely crochet! Is cordonnet suitable for any bobbin lace? Brenda in Allhallows paternos...@appleshack.com www.brendapaternoster.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Bedfordshire lace
Thank you all—Arachne is a wonderful forum & today it is Thread University! They say bought lessons are better than taught lessons & I bought a doozy. I noticed early on that I didn’t like the texture but plowed ahead anyway. Oh well, lesson learned & unlikely to be forgotten. This was particularly painful because I wanted to—wash my mouth out with soap—work in white. Brenda, thanks for suggesting King Tut! I do own that thread—none white—but l like it, know where to get more & presumably they stock white. I will also look around for coton a broder. Madeira Cotona 30—I own too many spools—none white—but it seems to un-ply itself while working. It made my lace (a different pattern) look scraggly & it’s too fiddly to keep spinning all the bobbins because it comes un-plied every other stitch. The only solution that came to mind is to wind anti-clockwise. Are there any other suggestions to tame Cotona? While I hate to give up on pretty thread, there’s no ! reason to be miserable! And of course my big question—what to do with so many balls of Cordonnet Special, in multiple sizes? Egad, I don’t tat & I rarely crochet! Is cordonnet suitable for any bobbin lace? In the meantime, my Beds will be a gift for my little friend Enzo who lives across the street. His pic is now on Flickr & I don’t think he will mind my mistakes! Now that I’ve finished my piece, should I flip it over? The sewing in & darning is very neat but, to me, it implies that this is the back side. When I return to Beds, I will be switching to Underwood’s Traditional Beds 20 Lessons for a few patterns. In her book, she says that Beds is worked right side up. If so, how would that be finished? What am I missing here? Many thanks! Sincerely, Susan Hottle FL, USA Sent from my iPad - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire lace
> On 25 Jan 2019, at 23:43, hottl...@neo.rr.com wrote: > > After finishing pattern #3 in Intro to Bedfordshire Lace by Jean Leader, I > wasn't as thrilled as I had hoped to be. I've posted a pic to Arachne Flickr > & would appreciate some constructive comments. Susan, Looks like you’ve discovered the hard way that threads with the same number of wraps per cm/inch don’t all work up the same. Although they have similar wraps Cordonnet Special 70 is a hard 6-ply thread designed for crochet, while Tanne/Cotona 30 is a soft 2-ply thread which ‘squashes’ and ‘beds together’ well which is what’s best for bobbin lace. How lace #3 looks in the illustration in my book is how it should look. I have worked #3 with Special Dentelles 80 (also a hard 6-ply thread like the 70) because I wanted to use colour but enlarged the pricking 125% for that. If you want to stick to Cordonnet Special 70 you could use an enlarged pricking or you could try Egyptian cotton 36/2, Mettler 30, DMC broder machine 30, all a bit finer that Tanne/Cotona 30, or single strands of 6-strand embroidery floss which is a bit thicker, and see how they worked with the pricking you have. Jean in wet, grey Glasgow --- Jean Leader www.jeanleader.net - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire lace
Hi Susan 'Tatting thread' is DMC Special Dentelles 80 which is identical to Cordonnet 80 which is only a tiny smidgin finer than Cordonnet 70 - so in effect you did use tatting thread. The gimp thread in traditional Bedfordshire lace is a softer but round thread, the difference in thickness to the main thread is less than in point ground or torchon, but to keep the roundness of the thread you need a three ply, or even a 4 ply. Tanne, which is only 2 ply would not have been a particularly good choice either. A regular cotton sewing machine thread such as Sylko 50/3 (slightly finer) or King Tut 40/3 (slightly thicker) would be good, or if you can find a cotton a broder as fine as size 45 or 50 even better. Brenda > > The pattern calls for Tanne 30--I don't own any--so I substituted Cordonnet Special 70. The lace is very textural with the cordonnet, not the smooth, crisp appearance that I was anticipating. Did I use the wrong thread? Will mangling help? Am I misinformed about how it should look when finished? I elected not to use tatting cotton because I wanted traditional white. Brenda in Allhallows paternos...@appleshack.com www.brendapaternoster.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire lace
Dear Susan. The main difference between Tanne 30 and Cordonnet 70 is that the Tanne is a 'sewing thread' and the Cordonnet is a 6 ply crochet thread which is much harder and gives a textured effect. I suggest that when you get back to your Bedfordshire lace, get some Tanne 30 (now called Madeira Cotona 30) or find another 'sewing cotton' of the same thickness, possibly using Brenda Paternoster's charts in her book on Threads. Janis Savage in South Africa, where it has been almost too hot to make lace recently (up to 36 C), but today seems to be a little cooler. From: owner-l...@arachne.com on behalf of hottl...@neo.rr.com Sent: Saturday, 26 January 2019 1:43 AM To: lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] Bedfordshire lace Before I can start on my point ground samples, I needed to clear my pillow. After finishing pattern #3 in Intro to Bedfordshire Lace by Jean Leader, I wasn't as thrilled as I had hoped to be. I've posted a pic to Arachne Flickr & would appreciate some constructive comments. The pattern calls for Tanne 30--I don't own any--so I substituted Cordonnet Special 70. The lace is very textural with the cordonnet, not the smooth, crisp appearance that I was anticipating. Did I use the wrong thread? Will mangling help? Am I misinformed about how it should look when finished? I elected not to use tatting cotton because I wanted traditional white. Many thanks for any suggestions. Sincerely, Susan Hottle FL, USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Bedfordshire lace
Before I can start on my point ground samples, I needed to clear my pillow. After finishing pattern #3 in Intro to Bedfordshire Lace by Jean Leader, I wasn't as thrilled as I had hoped to be. I've posted a pic to Arachne Flickr & would appreciate some constructive comments. The pattern calls for Tanne 30--I don't own any--so I substituted Cordonnet Special 70. The lace is very textural with the cordonnet, not the smooth, crisp appearance that I was anticipating. Did I use the wrong thread? Will mangling help? Am I misinformed about how it should look when finished? I elected not to use tatting cotton because I wanted traditional white. Many thanks for any suggestions. Sincerely, Susan Hottle FL, USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire lace
when I learned to make Beds. after the book from Barbara M. Underwood I read in her book: Bedfordshire Lace is an East Midlands guipure lace; i.e. it has no net ground, the design being supported and connected by plaits and brides. It was derived indirectly from Italian bobbin laces, but more directly from the Maltese lace which was seen in this country ( she means England) at the Great Exhibition in 1851. and so on A bit later in a class how to recognize laces I heard Maltese lace was brought to Malta in 1833 from Lady Hamilton Chichester. Lace makers from Genua give lessons to the Maltese people. The lace came from the rural part of North Italy but was made from silk which was imported from Barcelona. In the book from Ernst Erich Pfannschmidt „Spitzen“ He writes Beds a lace very similar as Lille lace. Katharina von Aragon brought lace making from Spain to Bedfordshire. She was married with the later Henry VIII!! I guess this was another sort of „lace" And to round this up. In „Die Spitze“ from Gisela Graff-Höfgen we could read: Bedfordshire where this lace is made since the 16. century….. 1.) Beds-Maltese…. 2.) Cluny lace like the one in France Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Bedfordshire vs Early lace
When I first came across Bedfordshire I knew it as Beds-Maltese and I have never had a reason to consider it as anything other than a guipure lace with its origins in the 19th century. The extensive use of plaits does give it a superficial resemblance to the 16th century bobbin laces which mimicked early needlelace - cutwork and reticella (which came before punto in aria) - however there are considerable differences in working methods. Over more than a decade of active research into early bobbin lace I have yet to determine a satisfactory definition for 16th and early 17th century lace - it is often called plaited lace, but in reality long plaits are rare. It is an open lace with spaces crossed by twisted pairs and short plaits often consisting of no more than a lockstitch (ctc tc), there are more solid areas consisting of plaits of 3, 4 or more pairs, or of one group of threads working through another in cloth-stitch (ctc). Like Bedfordshire it is a continuous lace, but there is no half-stitch and pairs are not added or taken out in the course of the work (as they are in some of the more complex Beds patterns). Relatively few pins are used in working the early lace, and those that are used are usually placed below or to the side of a stitch to provide tension - this means there is never a pin-hole in the centre of a stitch - as there would be for example in the centre of a windmill crossing in Bedfordshire (or many 19th century reproduction of an early lace). Overall the working method is much more like Freehand lace where pins are used only on the outside edges and no pricked pattern is needed - this allows considerable freedom for the lacemakers. Great fun to do and almost certainly made in England in the 16th century. Gil Dye - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Bedfordshire lace
Thank you Nancy, Jane & Lorelei for setting me straight! And for keeping me from making a major error at the library. Unless there is some scholarly objection, I think "early plaited lace" could work when referring to English lace made in the 1500's. The object here is to make a brief statement that illustrates the long history of lace in Britain. Opus Anglicanum was a specialty there a bit earlier & it seems like a natural progression for lace to have developed a similar relationship with the church in Britain, Bedfordshire area or not, in that period. I see that the IOLI library has the Levey book so I will try before I buy! Thanks again for your expert input. Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] Bedfordshire lace
Susan The story we are told is that the style called Bedfordshire was a result of an international fair in the mid 19th century, which exhibited Maltese lace. Supposedly, Bedfordshire-Maltese was an attempt to design laces using similar techniques and ideas, and supposedly it would be faster to make than Bucks point. So it is definitely 19th century in origin. Even if the story is not quite right, I see no reason to think it is older. Cluny was also a supposedly 19 th c invention, based on Genoese laces in the Cluny museum. I have seen many Genoese laces at the Art Institute of Chicago. If I recall they date from the 1600s, mostly. One huge problem with English laces is that we don't have a clear picture of what was being made before 1800 -- what the style was, what the techniques were. There are some museum examples of LePompe type laces on clothing (a jacket particularly), but I don't remember the exact piece, museum or date. Whether there is a straight line between LePompe braided/plaited laces In England and Bedfordshire lace of the 19th century, I don't know. I have never seen any intermediate style, or anything showing gradual development. This is one of those points where somebody could figure this out and write a PhD thesis in art history. (Not me. I have had enough of academe.) Lorelei From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Susan Subject: [lace] Bedfordshire lace I ran into a disagreement among lace resources regarding Bedfordshire. To my eye, all resources are equally credible but there is a three century difference of opinion. Should Bedfordshire be considered 16th or 19th century? Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire lace
Hi Susan, That's an interesting question! especially given the similarities between Beds and the early mimics of Punto in Aria, as in LePompe. I personally have not handled a piece of lace that seemed to be older than the mid-19th C that I would call Beds, but "Beds" is a name based on a geographical area. Lace in paintings from the 16th C through the 18th C that is Beds-like was obviously made in Italy, and a little later in England and Germany--can it be reasonably called Beds even though it wasn't produced by a tradition in or starting from Bedfordshire, England? Just out of curiosity, I checked what would come up on the Web and found these statements: 1) "Lace-makers from Flanders settled in Bedfordshire as early as the 16th century. By the mid-18th century, Newport Pagnell was a centre of Bedfordshire lace production. The highpoint of lacemaking was from the late 17th century through the 18th century." (from Wikipedia "Bedfordshire lace", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedfordshire_lace) 2) "A new style of lace, Bedfordshire, lace emerged, flourished and died within 50 years [the last half of the 19th C]." (from Steph Peters' A Brief History of Bedfordshire Lace, http://www.sandbenders.demon. co.uk/bobbinlace/history.htm) I agree with Steph: Beds strictly speaking is a style of lace that originated in and around Bedfordshire England in the 19th C. It has similarities to the early Genoese braided lace, and generally Italian laces that developed to imitate Punto in Aria (needle-lace), but one wouldn't reasonably call lace developed and made in Italy "Bedfordshire lace", even if the needle-lace mimics eventually came to be made in England in the 16th and 17th C. "Beds" as a style of lace is still made today throughout England and North America, but that is a carry-over from the 19th C English Beds, not the older braided laces originally from Italy. Even the Wikipedia article on Bedfordshire lace differentiates between lace that originated elsewhere but happens to have come to be made in Bedfordshire, as in quote 1 above, versus the style of lace that originated in Bedfordshire: "Bedfordshire lace is a style of bobbin lace originating from Bedfordshire in the 19th century, and made in the English Midlands lacemaking area." If I were living in Bedfordshire and made a lace today based on a design from LePompe, I would not call it Beds, because of the origin of the design. But if I made a piece of lace from a Thomas Lester pricking, even though I am sitting in Connecticut USA, I would call it Beds--again because of the origin of the style. As a side note, I don't think all references should be considered equal. In my opinion, one should avoid the less scholarly references (e.g., Pallister's History of Lace) and concentrate on the more scholarly, and in general more recent, ones--the best being Santina Levey's Lace: A History (still available new on Amazon.com, for less than I paid for it when it first came out...). I'll be interested in what others think about this question. Also are there any suggestions about what to call the early plaited laces that originated in Genoa in the 15th C but spread rapidly. Based on my argument above, I guess they should be "Genoese plaited lace" or something like that. My copy of Levey is out in the car--I'd better go get it! Nancy Nancy A. Neff Connecticut, USA On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Susan <hottl...@neo.rr.com> wrote: > ... there is a three century difference of opinion. Should Bedfordshire > be considered 16th or 19th century? - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Bedfordshire lace
Hello All! While working on signage for an upcoming lace exhibit at the library, I ran into a disagreement among lace resources regarding Bedfordshire. To my eye, all resources are equally credible but there is a three century difference of opinion. Should Bedfordshire be considered 16th or 19th century? This is not meant to be argumentative! To my untrained eye, I can see similarities to some LePompe patterns. On the other hand, the 19th century reference mentions a relationship to Cluny. Is this a prime example of lace evolution, i.e. modern Bedfordshire has more in common with 19thC lace than earlier examples? Early lace was certainly made in Britain, so what to call it if it isn't Bedfordshire? Many thanks for any suggestions/opinions. Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA Sent from my iPad - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Bedfordshire
Hi Arachnids Re: Pam Nottinghamâs Bedfordshire book. Yes Noelene, I am sure you are right. The leaf starts with a cloth stitch which starts 2 over 3 and the diagram shows 3 over 2. Publishers sometimes invert or mirror image pictures so they âbalanceâ on the page, with no regard for accuracy. Itâs quite a job for the author to check every one and, no matter how hard and how many times you proof read, something always gets past you. I agree about the bobbins also, spangled Midlands are best for Bedfordshire. My thanks Noelene for your poems for my wedding hanky/christening bonnet booklets. They are just right. If anyone who purchased one of my booklets before I included the poems would like a copy of them, please contact me. Happy lacemaking Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Bedfordshire
I think I've found a printing error in Pamela Nottingham's Bedfordshire Lace Making. My edition is a hard cover, 1992. On page 11 is a diagram of how to do a leaf. She says make a cloth stitch and Take the third thread to the right under and over the outside thread. But in the diagram, this looks like the third thread to the left being taken to the left. In other words, I think the diagram has been printed as a mirror image. I've looked in her book which covers all three types of lace, and in the Beds section, the diagram is printed the other way round (correctly, IMHO). Heather, have fun with your attempt at Beds. I cannot cope with light continental bobbins, I'm working my foray into Beds with my spangled Midlands. I do love the squared off bobbins too, but keep these aside for doing tape laces (where the spangles on my Midlands would be a nuisance when doing sewings). Noelene at The Angle I used to be in Cooma, but have recently moved to live with my son and DIL on 9 hectares of Australian bush about 20 minutes south of Canberra. I've written no new lace poetry recently, except for some little ones to go with Alex Stillwell's lovely pamphlets on baby bonnets / wedding hankies. But my book of poetry will be on sale at the weekend at the OIDFA conference in Adelaide. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Bedfordshire butterflies
Hi, I found in an old Lace Magazine number 122 from April 2006 three lovely butterflies designed by Ann Shadbolt. The Procking is there but there is no mention as to what size of thread to use. Did any of you make these butterflies and what thread size did you use. Miriam in Arad, Israel - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire oval finished
It's a beautiful piece, Agnes. Well done! And happy choosing what to do next! Sue sueba...@comcast.net - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Bedfordshire oval finished
Finally got the Bedfordshire oval finished and uploaded photo on Flickr. Started this in May on a course with Christine Springett. Now trying to work out what to do next, though in the meantime I am making some snake bookmarks. Agnes Boddington Elloughton - UK (have a dusting of snow here) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Bedfordshire Lace Book
Hello fellow arachnids My copy of Reiko Tamura's Beds book has arrived this morning!! (Thanks Pat!!!) I will say it's got 30 beautiful Beds yardage prickings in it, along with black and white photos and a 'flow chart' of what's happening with the threads!Reiko does state that she drew the diagrams following the original photos from the Lace Guilds CD, she has added some small changes and is sure there are alternative ways to work! The prickings are all enlarged from the originals to give students some comfort in working them (I would also imagine it could be difficult to get hold of the finer threads), however all are worked in Egyptian 36/2 with Perle 8 for the gimps! So girls boys, if you like lace books, making lace, helping charities, and, like me, adore the 'crunchiness' of Bedfordshire laces... then it's definitely the book for you!! Now I'll have to take it to lace class tonight, so that Maureen, Agnes the rest of the crew can see it!!! VBG Sue in East Yorkshire - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire Lace Book
Oops... I forgot to say that didn't I?? The postage was less than expected as well! BTW Jacqui, we may come and bop you if you don't think about coming to our Lace Day a week on Saturday!!! LOL Sue in East Yorkshire On 3 Nov 2011, at 12:53, laceandb...@aol.com wrote: I would add that especially *as it's for charity* (a very good cause) and it's not that expensive anyway, I hope that anyone who sees it and falls in love with it as Sue has done, will buy their own copy, and not be mean and ask their friend for a copy of just that one pattern. (By the way, I am not implying that any of the Yorkshire ladies would do that; they might drive south one county and bop me on the nose!! But we all know it does happen in other places.) Jacquie in Lincolnshire - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Bedfordshire lace
Hello all Very manny thanks for all your help regarding my picots and leaves, I shall keep going! What a very helpful group this is. Have a good weekend. Paula - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] lace - Bedfordshire lace
Hello all Your help would be much appreciated: I have only made Torchon lace and decided to have a go at Bedfordshire. My first problem is that all my right hand picots split, the left ones are great what is causing this please? Secondly my leaves are turning out like holly leaves, is it just practice that will turn then into something wonderful, perhaps I should go back to my Torchon??? Kind regards Paula In sunny windy Suffolk. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] lace - Bedfordshire lace
Vis a vis leaves, I have found that the single greatest few moments of video ever shot are those showing Christine Springett demonstrating a leaf on one of her Bedfordshire lace videos. In fact, I worked through all her Bedfordshire videos and it was the single greatest learning experience of my life. She shows you something, you can watch it over a few times. When you try to do it, and you do it wrong, you replay the video to see how you should have done it. I worked them one summer before taking a class with Christine at the convention, entirely during periods when my husband took my then young daughter to the public pool. In her video she shows you a skill, then tells you to work to a certain point and then proceed to the next video segment. It is like a 40 hour course that you don't have to leave home to take, hence no hotel bills. I am certain that she covers picots as well. Devon In a message dated 5/25/2011 11:27:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, fitz@tinyworld.co.uk writes: Hello all Your help would be much appreciated: I have only made Torchon lace and decided to have a go at Bedfordshire. My first problem is that all my right hand picots split, the left ones are great what is causing this please? Secondly my leaves are turning out like holly leaves, is it just practice that will turn then into something wonderful, perhaps I should go back to my Torchon??? Kind regards Paula In sunny windy Suffolk. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] lace - Bedfordshire lace
Don't give up on the leaves. I had terrible problems with them and would do anything to avoid them. Now I'm happy, even if they aren't perfect thanks to the very helpful friends here. There are several different ways of working them, and it's a case of finding the method that works for you. We discussed it at the beginning of last year, and Sue Babbs posted an email summarising advice and websites that had been posted, including videos on the web. It's dated 01 January 2010 and can be found on the Arachne lace archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lace@arachne.com/msg31225.html There's a wealth of knowledge and people willing to share on this list. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] lace - Bedfordshire lace
Hello Paula, My first problem is that all my right hand picots split, the left ones are great what is causing this please? Right hand picots need to be worked as mirror images of left hand ones, I'll send you some diagrams in a separate email. Secondly my leaves are turning out like holly leaves, is it just practice that will turn then into something wonderful, perhaps I should go back to my Torchon??? Leaves do get better with practice - keep going! Jean in cool, wet and windy Glasgow --- Jean Leader Glasgow, Scotland lacema...@q7design.demon.co.uk http://www.jeanleader.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Bedfordshire Clanger - Recipes, Food Drink - The Independent
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/recipes/bedfordshire-clanger-422669.html Dear Spiders , Here is one recipe for the Clanger from The Independent newspaper. Would have sat very heavy in the tummy, but full of energy. Sheila in sunny, cold Sawbridgeworth waiting for lacemakers to arrive for a lace-in - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Bedfordshire Clanger
Sorry for the late reply, Janice, but I just found this Chat Digest in the Spam folder, - for some Strange reason. All the other digests - both Lace, and Lace-Chat, have come through correctly!! Gran's Clanger was boiled - lovely suet pudding-type wrapping!! I have no idea how it was made - recipe etc., and I don't think I ever ate one, but she used to tell stories of how, as a child, she would walk miles to take her father his lunch. I remember seeing his knife and fork set, that he tied around his lower leg to carry it - wooden handles, and the knife blade slipped into a slot in the fork handle, and the fork tines fitted into a slot in the knife handle!! Goodness, - how can I remember all that - but not what I did yesterday?!! (No- don't lets go down That track!!! :)) ) Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 5.6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 261 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Bedfordshire Help
Thank you everybody who gave me hints and tips on my Beds lace. I do appreciate it, and am even more convinced of what a great group this is! Thank you all so much again. Dee Palin Warwickshire - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Bedfordshire help
I do it this way too - with a slight modification because I found the resulting, joined trail too thick. I gradually throw out every second bobbin in each trail. That way, when you 'pull the loop' there's space for each thread and you end up with trails of the original thickness. On 17 Nov 2007, at 21:13, Cindy Rusak wrote: At a point about 15-20 passes (of the worker) before the end of the lace, unwind the passive bobbins either on one side of the work or alternate from side to side (in your case 10 bobbins), and fold the thread back on itself to create a loop which will end beyond where the piece of lace will join. You need a long enough loop to get to where the lace is being joined plus enough to wind on the bobbin and the leash. Wind the loop onto your bobbin as you would a single thread, leaving the end of the thread above the work to be pulled later. Continue to work the lace to the join. When the workers from either side meet, undo the loops on your passive bobbins, pass the passive bobbin coming from the other side through the loop and gently pull the loop (using the thread end left earlier) back into the work to about halfway back to where the thread end comes out of the work. You can then snip both thread ends very close to the work. The join will be less bulky if you alternate from side to side the looped passive threads . You can use the same method with the workers as well, though you can loop them much closer to the end of the work (one or two passes might be enough). Margot Walker in Halifax on the east coast of Canada Visit the Seaspray Guild of Lacemakers web site: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/quinbot - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Bedfordshire
I do it this way too - with a slight modification because I found the resulting, joined trail too thick. I gradually throw out every second bobbin in each trail. That way, when you 'pull the loop' there's space for each thread and you end up with trails of the original thickness. On 17 Nov 2007, at 21:13, Cindy Rusak wrote: At a point about 15-20 passes (of the worker) before the end of the lace, unwind the passive bobbins either on one side of the work or alternate from side to side (in your case 10 bobbins), and fold the thread back on itself to create a loop which will end beyond where the piece of lace will join. You need a long enough loop to get to where the lace is being joined plus enough to wind on the bobbin and the leash. Wind the loop onto your bobbin as you would a single thread, leaving the end of the thread above the work to be pulled later. Continue to work the lace to the join. When the workers from either side meet, undo the loops on your passive bobbins, pass the passive bobbin coming from the other side through the loop and gently pull the loop (using the thread end left earlier) back into the work to about halfway back to where the thread end comes out of the work. You can then snip both thread ends very close to the work. The join will be less bulky if you alternate from side to side the looped passive threads . You can use the same method with the workers as well, though you can loop them much closer to the end of the work (one or two passes might be enough). Margot Walker in Halifax on the east coast of Canada Visit the Seaspray Guild of Lacemakers web site: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/quinbot - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Bedfordshire Lace
Could anyone please pass on any tips they may have when making Bedfordshire lace? I have begun teaching myself, with the help of some friends and some excellent books, but I am having a bit of a problem with plaits and picots, in that when I do a single picot, I sometimes get a little hole under the pin. I think I may be pulling a thread or two too tightly, as it does not always happen. Is there a simple way of avoiding this, please? Thank you in advance! Dee Palin Warwickshire - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire Lace
Hello Dee, After making the picot and making the first CTC, try pulling from one bobbin, then from the other... and you will see what happens. When you pull the correct one the little hole disappears, but when you pull the wrong one, the hole appears. So, it is a matter of tensioning, and you get this with practice. But first try to understand from what bobbin you have to pull to close the hole. Plaits look easy to make, but tension is very important to get a good looking plait (straight, and not twisted): the four bobbins have to be at the same length so that you can pull from the four of them with the same strength. Hope this explanation can help you.. Greetings from Antje, in Guadalajara, Spain. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire Lace
I haven't done a lot of Beds, and not for a while, but I seem to recall that the picot is wound around the pin differently, depending on which side of the braid it is on. If you have the little hole sometimes, it may be because you're winding it around the pin in the wrong direction. Clay -- Clay Blackwell Lynchburg, VA USA -- Original message -- From: Dee Palin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Could anyone please pass on any tips they may have when making Bedfordshire lace? I have begun teaching myself, with the help of some friends and some excellent books, but I am having a bit of a problem with plaits and picots, in that when I do a single picot, I sometimes get a little hole under the pin. I think I may be pulling a thread or two too tightly, as it does not always happen. Is there a simple way of avoiding this, please? Thank you in advance! Dee Palin Warwickshire - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire Lace
Christine Springett teaches picots as follows: - picot on the left: twist pair 5x - lay outer bobbin loosely around pin in a clockwise direction and put back in outer position - lay inner bobbin clockwise around the pin and return to inner position - twist 2x - now gently pull up both threads at the same time and they should twist inside each other - picot on right side - do everything the same, but lay bobbins around pin in anti-clockwise direction - double picot (i.e. one on either side of plait): do either the left or right picot first - cross then twist all threads - do the second picot Works a treat. Agnes Boddington - Elloughton UK Could anyone please pass on any tips they may have when making Bedfordshire lace? I have begun teaching myself, with the help of some friends and some excellent books, but I am having a bit of a problem with plaits and picots, in that when I do a single picot, I sometimes get a little hole under the pin. I think I may be pulling a thread or two too tightly, as it does not always happen. Is there a simple way of avoiding this, please? Thank you in advance! Dee Palin Warwickshire - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire help
My first question is, how did you come to be working in both directions? I realize this is not critical to the answer to your question, but it does make me wonder! One way to deal with the situation is to work beyond the joining point with both sets of threads. After you have lifted the lace from the pillow and overlapped the matching pieces of lace, you join the two layers together with the Lassen technique. The only other option I see for you is to tie off and weave all those threads back through... but you'll definitely see the join because it will be thicker on both sides. I think Lassen would be the best option. But you'd have to find a path that does not include leaves!! Clay -- Clay Blackwell Lynchburg, VA USA -- Original message -- From: Janice Blair [EMAIL PROTECTED] I need to ask a question about finishing a piece of Bedfordshire lace. I am coming around a circle from both directions and have the two ends to join together. At that point I will have 10 passive pairs and two sets of workers to deal with. That makes 28 threads all coming together. I decided that the front of the work is down to the pillow so I will be dealing with the ends on the back. I don't fancy trying to weave in all these ends into the cloth stitch, or just tying knots. What do you all do? Janice Janice Blair Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA http://jblace.wordpress.com/ http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire help
Hi Janice, There is a way to do it without tying knots or weaving back in. I have a hard time describing things as I am more of a visual learner, but I will try. I was taught this by a lace teacher from Quebec and I think she got it from one of Ulrike Lohr's books. At a point about 15-20 passes (of the worker) before the end of the lace, unwind the passive bobbins either on one side of the work or alternate from side to side (in your case 10 bobbins), and fold the thread back on itself to create a loop which will end beyond where the piece of lace will join. You need a long enough loop to get to where the lace is being joined plus enough to wind on the bobbin and the leash. Wind the loop onto your bobbin as you would a single thread, leaving the end of the thread above the work to be pulled later. Continue to work the lace to the join. When the workers from either side meet, undo the loops on your passive bobbins, pass the passive bobbin coming from the other side through the loop and gently pull the loop (using the thread end left earlier) back into the work to about halfway back to where the thread end comes out of the work. You can then snip both thread ends very close to the work. The join will be less bulky if you alternate from side to side the looped passive threads . You can use the same method with the workers as well, though you can loop them much closer to the end of the work (one or two passes might be enough). I hope this is clear enough and I haven't left anything out. It has been quite a while since I did it myself. If you are having trouble picturing this and need more help, email me privately, and I can telephone you (I'm in Wisconsin) and talk you through it. Good luck if you chose to try this, Cindy At 04:08 PM 11/17/2007, you wrote: I need to ask a question about finishing a piece of Bedfordshire lace. I am coming around a circle from both directions and have the two ends to join together. At that point I will have 10 passive pairs and two sets of workers to deal with. Janice - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Bedfordshire Lace teachers/classes
Hello! I'm just now getting back into lacemaking after taking a ten year childrearing break. My favorite style of lace is Bedfordshire. I've got all the books and a few lovely pieces under my belt (before child) I want to figure out a way to take an in-person workshop or class, but since I live in Arizona, it will certainly require some planning and travel. In the meantime, can you make some recommendations of good teachers of Bedfordshire lace at the intermediate to advanced level so that I can begin to research and figure out how I might be able to catch one of their future workshops/classes? Thanks! Lisa McClure - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire Lace teachers/classes
Mark your calendar for the 2008 IOLI Convention. Yvonne Scheele will be teaching a Beds class--and she has a new book coming out the first of the year. Carole Dublin, OH - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire Lace teachers/classes
Hi. You're not very far from The Lace Museum in Sunnyvale, California. They sometimes hold Beds classes and may have more than one person in their files who teaches it. Or they may have a contact with a nearby group who is having a class. The other thing you might check out is the Winter Retreat in Southern California, in February, I think. Their classes might include Beds. Happy lacing, Alice in Oregon -- where winter rains have started --- Lisa McClure [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello! I'm just now getting back into lacemaking after taking a ten year childrearing break. My favorite style of lace is Bedfordshire. I've got all the books and a few lovely pieces under my belt (before child) I want to figure out a way to take an in-person workshop or class, but since I live in Arizona, it will certainly require some planning and travel. In the meantime, can you make some recommendations of good teachers of Bedfordshire lace at the intermediate to advanced level so that I can begin to research and figure out how I might be able to catch one of their future workshops/classes? Thanks! Lisa McClure - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Bedfordshire Lace teachers/classes
There is an event in Costa Mesa, California in January. I have not yet been, but know a few people that have gone. They both raved about it being very well put together. Holly Van Sciver is teaching all levels of Beds at the event. Here is a link to the flyer: http://www.hedgehoglacers.org/events/WinterLace_2008.pdf If it does not work, you can go in through the Hedgehog lacers website, click on events, and select the Winter Lace Conference. Here is a link to their page: http://www.hedgehoglacers.org/home.html Kim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alice Howell Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:14 PM To: Lisa McClure; lace@arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] Bedfordshire Lace teachers/classes Hi. You're not very far from The Lace Museum in Sunnyvale, California. They sometimes hold Beds classes and may have more than one person in their files who teaches it. Or they may have a contact with a nearby group who is having a class. The other thing you might check out is the Winter Retreat in Southern California, in February, I think. Their classes might include Beds. Happy lacing, Alice in Oregon -- where winter rains have started --- Lisa McClure [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello! I'm just now getting back into lacemaking after taking a ten year childrearing break. My favorite style of lace is Bedfordshire. I've got all the books and a few lovely pieces under my belt (before child) I want to figure out a way to take an in-person workshop or class, but since I live in Arizona, it will certainly require some planning and travel. In the meantime, can you make some recommendations of good teachers of Bedfordshire lace at the intermediate to advanced level so that I can begin to research and figure out how I might be able to catch one of their future workshops/classes? Thanks! Lisa McClure - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire Lace teachers/classes
Dear Lisa, The Winter Lace Conference in Costa Mesa, CA will have Holly VanSciver giving a course in Beds - all levels. She is a marvelous teacher and you will be well-served by making the trip to CA. Get in touch with Betty Ward at 1-714-522-8118 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Another contact is Belinda Belisle at 1-562-596-7882 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had Holly for a Beds class in Ithaca last year and it was so good. You won't be disappointed; I think the cost is very reasonable for this conference. Happy Lacemaking, Betty Ann Rice in Roanoke, Virginia USA = From: Lisa McClure [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello! (snip) In the meantime, can you make some recommendations of good teachers of Bedfordshire lace at the intermediate to advanced level so that I can begin to research and figure out how I might be able to catch one of their future workshops/classes? - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Bedfordshire lace corners
There are some Bedfordshire lace samples for sale on ebay, supposedly from the 1900s (which I suppose could mean any time until 1999), two of those shown having corners. I was under the impression that corners were a relatively new development and that lace was gathered prior to their development. Can anyone say when corners were first made? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1900s-BEDFORDSHIRE-BOBBIN-LACE-SAMPLES-LACEMAKING-CRAFT_W0QQitemZ330086377352QQihZ014QQcategoryZ57203QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem tinied: http://tinyurl.com/36sqmj or search for item number 330086377352 Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire lace corners
Since lacemaking has been around for 500 years, 'relatively new' could be a couple hundred years. More to the point, the book Les Dentelles Aux Fuseaux by Dillmont has many corner patterns, and the author died in 1890. I can't give an earler reference, but I think corners came in during the first half of the 1800's. Anyone have a more precise date? Alice in Oregon -- mild but damp this week --- Jean Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are some Bedfordshire lace samples for sale on ebay, supposedly from the 1900s (which I suppose could mean any time until 1999), two of those shown having corners. I was under the impression that corners were a relatively new development and that lace was gathered prior to their development. Can anyone say when corners were first made? - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire lace corners
I'm at work, and have class tonight so can't get more specific until the weekend. But as I recall there are examples of BL worked corners in Santina Levey's Lace, a History dating from the 1500-1600s Beth McCasland in the 'burbs of New Orleans where we have spring like weather. -Original Message- From: Jean Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Feb 8, 2007 4:39 AM To: Lace lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] Bedfordshire lace corners There are some Bedfordshire lace samples for sale on ebay, supposedly from the 1900s (which I suppose could mean any time until 1999), two of those shown having corners. I was under the impression that corners were a relatively new development and that lace was gathered prior to their development. Can anyone say when corners were first made? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1900s-BEDFORDSHIRE-BOBBIN-LACE-SAMPLES-LACEMAKING-CRAFT_W0QQitemZ330086377352QQihZ014QQcategoryZ57203QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem tinied: http://tinyurl.com/36sqmj or search for item number 330086377352 Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire lace term
Hello Noelene In my research I have an instance of a 'Straw plaiter' who later became a 'lacemaker'. Maybe the person you found was a worker of both if they are both recorded. There is a very distant bell ringing in my head of seeing somewhere a sample of lace made from straw. Another bell !! I recall reading recently that some lacemakers did straw plaiting in the winter when the light was too poor to make lace, which sounds very logical. Diana in Northamptonshire - Original Message - From: Noelene Lafferty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 1:16 AM Subject: [lace] Bedfordshire lace term While doing some Google searches recently, I came across the name of the wife of a migrant to Australia in the early 1800's. She and her husband, and several children, migrated from Bedfordshire, and her occupation was given as Str--ais Plattes, (lacemaker). The missing characters would be caused by difficult in reading the hand writing. I assume the plattes could be Bedfordshire lace plaits, but can anyone fill in the blanks? Noelene in Cooma [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~nlafferty/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire lace term
Hello Diana Some of the plaited straw work is delicate enough to be called lace anyway. On a couple of occasions Lace Guild Conventions have included straw plaiting displays and IIRC as a taster workshop also. But you are right, straw plaiting (mostly for hats) went alongside BL in Bedfordshire. Brenda On 5 Feb 2007, at 08:20, Diana Smith wrote: Hello Noelene In my research I have an instance of a 'Straw plaiter' who later became a 'lacemaker'. Maybe the person you found was a worker of both if they are both recorded. There is a very distant bell ringing in my head of seeing somewhere a sample of lace made from straw. Another bell !! I recall reading recently that some lacemakers did straw plaiting in the winter when the light was too poor to make lace, which sounds very logical. Diana in Northamptonshire - Original Message - From: Noelene Lafferty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 1:16 AM Subject: [lace] Bedfordshire lace term While doing some Google searches recently, I came across the name of the wife of a migrant to Australia in the early 1800's. She and her husband, and several children, migrated from Bedfordshire, and her occupation was given as Str--ais Plattes, (lacemaker). The missing characters would be caused by difficult in reading the hand writing. I assume the plattes could be Bedfordshire lace plaits, but can anyone fill in the blanks? Noelene in Cooma [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~nlafferty/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brenda in Allhallows, Kent http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Bedfordshire LaceTerm
Noelene, Could it be that the woman was a Straw Plaiter? Bedfordshire was a centre for Straw Plaiting as well as Lace Making. The Plaited straw I imagine would then be used to make straw hats and baskets that sort of thing. Maybe the person concerned did both things, plaited straw and made lace. Straw plaiting might have been more seasonal work, I don't know, but if it was then she may have made lace in between times. I was in a museum at Wardown Park Luton Beds., a few years ago where they had a display of lace and bobbins but also had a display of straw plaiting and hat making. Luton in Bedfordshire was a centre for hat making and Luton Town football team are known as the Hatters, as in mad hatters because the mercury used in making felt for hats caused people to go mad and eventually killed them. Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. While doing some Google searches recently, I came across the name of the wife of a migrant to Australia in the early 1800's. She and her husband, and several children, migrated from Bedfordshire, and her occupation was given as Str--ais Plattes, (lacemaker). The missing characters would be caused by difficult in reading the hand writing. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire LaceTerm
Luton Football club also have the straw boater hat, one of which was presented to him when he got married. He was a big supporter of the club at that time. Sue T, Dorset UK Noelene, Could it be that the woman was a Straw Plaiter? Bedfordshire was a centre for Straw Plaiting as well as Lace Making. The Plaited straw I imagine would then be used to make straw hats and baskets that sort of thing. Maybe the person concerned did both things, plaited straw and made lace. Straw plaiting might have been more seasonal work, I don't know, but if it was then she may have made lace in between times. I was in a museum at Wardown Park Luton Beds., a few years ago where they had a display of lace and bobbins but also had a display of straw plaiting and hat making. Luton in Bedfordshire was a centre for hat making and Luton Town football team are known as the Hatters, as in mad hatters because the mercury used in making felt for hats caused people to go mad and eventually killed them. Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. While doing some Google searches recently, I came across the name of the wife of a migrant to Australia in the early 1800's. She and her husband, and several children, migrated from Bedfordshire, and her occupation was given as Str--ais Plattes, (lacemaker). The missing characters would be caused by difficult in reading the hand writing. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Bedfordshire lacemakers
On 4 Apr 2006, at 05:47, Ina le Bas wrote: I have a similar story to you - my Great grandmother made lace but she was born in Kirkmabreck, Scotland about 1835 and at the time of the 1851 census she was listed as a scholar aged 16. I would dearly like to know if she made lace as a living or just indulged as we do. Please, is there a Lacemakers' Census for Scotland? The only Lacemakers' census, as such, that I know of was the one recently conducted by The Lace Guild (when all lacemakers were invited to submit a lace decorated luggage label). The names of the lacemakers on the Lace Fairy's website were extracted from the national UK census of 1881. Gt Britain (England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland until 1922, England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland after that) has had a national census every ten years from 1801, but in most cases only returns from 1841 survive and they are all subject to 100 years closure. Names, ages, occupations and relationship to head of household were recorded, though in many cases married women did not have occupations. 1841 - 1891 are available on microfilm in libraries and archives; 1881 is fully indexed now and so is most of 1851, so they are the ones most commonly used (in England). 1901 is on-line, the indexing is very iffy in places and it costs to view the digitized images, but is readily available. So the answer to your question is there a Lacemakers' Census for Scotland? is 'No' and 'Yes'. Re your gt grandmother in the censuses - have a look at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/Census.html for more info Brenda http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Bedfordshire lacemakers
Dear Brenda, Thank you for your reply about lacemakers in Scotland. I have just spent about three hours on the computer looking up the site and links you gave me. I haven't made a break-through but it has been most interesting - watch this space if I do! Ina From near Byron Bay, Australia - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Bedfordshire lacemakers
What an interesting list of Lacemakers names, dates, etc. However, I could not see my Great Grandmother's name there. Her surname was Parrott. Later she married into the Sanders family. She was born in the late 1850's I guess, as Grandma was 20 in 1899. I have a bobbin with her name on and the date 1864, which is too late for a birth bobbin, so may have been when she started School. Her Father was almost banned from the family, as he wasted hard earned money sending a girl to school to read and write! I believe some of her bobbins, and her Yard Stick are in the Bedford Museum. Wooton, Wilstead, and Cotton End, are 3 village names I remember from Grandma's stories. Great Grandma was the last family member to earn her living making lace. Oh Dear! Why did we not take more notice of our family histories while we still had those living who could remember it all?!! A pity, -- but I was not a Lacemaker in those days, so I suppose the interest was not there at the time.. Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Bedfordshire lacemakers
Dear Liz, I have a similar story to you - my Great grandmother made lace but she was born in Kirkmabreck, Scotland about 1835 and at the time of the 1851 census she was listed as a scholar aged 16. I would dearly like to know if she made lace as a living or just indulged as we do. Please, is there a Lacemakers' Census for Scotland? The two census lists of both Buckinghamshire and Bedfordshire lacemakers was a talking point when I took them along to a Family History Meeting last Saturday. Yes, we should have listened more to our elders and the stories they had to tell. Greetings from Ina who lives near the 'most easterly point in Australia - Byron Bay - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Bedfordshire
Gina I recommend Barbara Underwood INTRODUCING TRADITIONAL BEDFORDSHIRE LACE IN 20 LESSONS, 1993 Ruth Bean, Bedford. She begins with very simple Beds designs and explains the working in detail. Her book will carry you from the easy to an advanced level. Happy lacemaking! Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Bedfordshire workshop
For those who have reasonable access to The Lace Museum in Sunnyvale California, there are a couple of places still available for a 3 day workshop in Bedfordshire Lace taught by Christine Springett in February 2005. The hours are 10 a.m. to 5 p.m on Saturday and from 9:30 to 430 on Sunday and Monday. The price of the 3 day workshop is $140; two days, $110 and one day, if space is available, $75. There is also a possibility of individual instruction on Friday afternoon. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) for details. Elaine Merritt The Lace Museum 552 South. Murphy Avenue Sunnyvale, CA 94086 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Bedfordshire lace: another cry for help
Hi all, Many thanks to all who sent me contact information for Robin Lewis-Wild, it was very helpful! With a large dose of enthusiasm and a very miniscule amout of common sense, I recently plunged into a big project, the dress cap in Barbara Underwood's book Traditional Bedfordshire Lace book (Plate 4 and pages 38/39, in my edition). I started at the front peak of it and am working backwards towards the three tails. I've been adding pairs every time I turned around, and at the moment I'm down onto the shoulder above the third half-stitch bud from the center, in other words the half-stitch bud where the plait from the circle around the bud leads down to the first half-stitch leaf. So far at least, it doesn't seem like there's a lot of need/opportunity to throw out pairs, it seems like everything I've added I'm going to need still. However, at some point I'm going to have to throw out pairs because they're all headed for the center and it's going to be a mess if they're all still in there. Either throw out pairs, that is, or redirect them somehow. To me, it looks like some of the pairs work downwards through the half-stitch leaves that head toward the center triangle, for example the diagonal/zig-zag plaits between the second and third half-stitch leaf. It also looks like the third and fourth half-stitch leaves on each side may be worked out from the center, where the first and second are worked in towards the center. Am I (literally) headed in the right direction here, or have I let too much enthusiasm turn me around and mess with my head? I'd appreciate any help anyone can give me! Best regards, Elizabeth Leverkusen, Germany, where spring is on its way... slowly - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Bedfordshire
I have just come back from my holday camping on the Scout campsite and working on the Guide campsite at Bedford. I mention that because I know some of you take Brownie Guides or Girl Scouts or whatever. Going to Bedford for a holiday can only be exciting for a lacemaker and I enjoyed driving through all the villages and small towns that I have read and talked about. Alas though Cecil Higgins Museum is closed for August (which is really the point of this email), so I was unsuccessful in my effort to make a fourth visit while I was there. I did however take photos of the Methodist Chapel that John Sarjeant had been a very active member of in Beeston near Sandy. Ann Please note my new address, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please add it to your address book and delete the aol one - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]