Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
Am Donnerstag 30 Juni 2005 00:08 schrieb Adam Niedzwiedzki: Hi Eric, Thanks for that, but (now don't laugh at me) that's the problem I have is not even knowing where to begin with compiling it. I know my way around a leaf machine with my eyes shut, installing modules,setting up just about anything, I've rolled out around 8 leaf box's on various networks, but for the life of me learning to setup a box to compile/build packages has me lost :( I know there is documentation on it, but because I'm not a fluent *nix user I'm lost with it... Adam; You need a Linux workstation; then you have to checkout buildtool from cvs, running buildtool build buildenv and patience . That way you get a complete setup to compile and build packages for Bering-uClibc or just to modify the current setups (like ulogd). I agree the buildtool* files, something you can think about as meta-files to control the process of compiling and packaging, aren't easy to read and understand for non-programmers - but I've made the experience, once you got it, it is more or less just cut'n'paste to create new setups for lrp. For your purpose getting a working buildtool environment and following Eric's hint's below should allow you to build an ulogd fitting your needs... (short recipe: buildtool.pl build ulogd change buildtool.mk for ulogd as noted by Eric buildtool.pl buildclean ulogd buildtool.pl build ulogd fakeroot buildpackage.pl --package=ulogd scp to your route the new ulogd.lrp) Don't hesitate to ask, if you're running into pb's - it will only help to improve common knowledge (and if necessary) the documentation. kp Cheers Ad - Original Message - From: Eric Spakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Ad, If you use Bering-uClibc and buildtool, you will see that ulogd's buildtool.mk file already has the lines to compile the mysql plugin: (cd $(ULOGD_DIR) ; CC=$(TARGET_CC) LD=$(TARGET_LD) CFLAGS=$(BT_COPT_FLAGS) ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc ) # (cd $(ULOGD_DIR) ; CC=$(TARGET_CC) LD=$(TARGET_LD) CFLAGS=$(BT_COPT_FLAGS) \ # ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --with-mysql=$(BT_STAGING_DIR)/usr If you comment the first line and uncomment the next two lines, the plugin will be compiled. The only thing you have to do is add the plugin to the ulogd package and configure it. Eric Spakman Hmm let me rephrase that.. Not knowing what to do with ulogd *grin*, I know my way round php/mysql just fine. So I'm just after ulogd compiled with the mysql plugin working. (something about static linking but I have no idea what that means). Then I can build my own php/mysql interface LOL.. *ugh* it's been a long day... Ad - Original Message - From: Adam Niedzwiedzki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Hmm how about someone compiling a ulogd module for bering-uclibc that has mysql support so I can have shorewall log packets to mysql :) Could make some very nice php web graphing to go with it.. *grin* I have tried but not being a programmer, really have no idea what I'm doing Cheers Ad --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing
Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
Hi KP, Yup I've just started going over what information I can find, my first question (I know this is going to sound soo lame) but you say Linux workstation, is there any specific one, do I HAVE to use debian? and if so can I use the latest version or do I have to track down slink? I do know my way around linux and have no issues compiling build other apps on linux, so far the docco seems straight forward although it reads as there is a fair bit of assumed knowledge. (just missing the assumed stuff of grab X version of linux and install, etc). I'll have a play and see how I go :) Cheers Ad - Original Message - From: KP Kirchdoerfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Am Donnerstag 30 Juni 2005 00:08 schrieb Adam Niedzwiedzki: Hi Eric, Thanks for that, but (now don't laugh at me) that's the problem I have is not even knowing where to begin with compiling it. I know my way around a leaf machine with my eyes shut, installing modules,setting up just about anything, I've rolled out around 8 leaf box's on various networks, but for the life of me learning to setup a box to compile/build packages has me lost :( I know there is documentation on it, but because I'm not a fluent *nix user I'm lost with it... Adam; You need a Linux workstation; then you have to checkout buildtool from cvs, running buildtool build buildenv and patience . That way you get a complete setup to compile and build packages for Bering-uClibc or just to modify the current setups (like ulogd). I agree the buildtool* files, something you can think about as meta-files to control the process of compiling and packaging, aren't easy to read and understand for non-programmers - but I've made the experience, once you got it, it is more or less just cut'n'paste to create new setups for lrp. For your purpose getting a working buildtool environment and following Eric's hint's below should allow you to build an ulogd fitting your needs... (short recipe: buildtool.pl build ulogd change buildtool.mk for ulogd as noted by Eric buildtool.pl buildclean ulogd buildtool.pl build ulogd fakeroot buildpackage.pl --package=ulogd scp to your route the new ulogd.lrp) Don't hesitate to ask, if you're running into pb's - it will only help to improve common knowledge (and if necessary) the documentation. kp Cheers Ad - Original Message - From: Eric Spakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Ad, If you use Bering-uClibc and buildtool, you will see that ulogd's buildtool.mk file already has the lines to compile the mysql plugin: (cd $(ULOGD_DIR) ; CC=$(TARGET_CC) LD=$(TARGET_LD) CFLAGS=$(BT_COPT_FLAGS) ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc ) # (cd $(ULOGD_DIR) ; CC=$(TARGET_CC) LD=$(TARGET_LD) CFLAGS=$(BT_COPT_FLAGS) \ # ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --with-mysql=$(BT_STAGING_DIR)/usr If you comment the first line and uncomment the next two lines, the plugin will be compiled. The only thing you have to do is add the plugin to the ulogd package and configure it. Eric Spakman Hmm let me rephrase that.. Not knowing what to do with ulogd *grin*, I know my way round php/mysql just fine. So I'm just after ulogd compiled with the mysql plugin working. (something about static linking but I have no idea what that means). Then I can build my own php/mysql interface LOL.. *ugh* it's been a long day... Ad - Original Message - From: Adam Niedzwiedzki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Hmm how about someone compiling a ulogd module for bering-uclibc that has mysql support so I can have shorewall log packets to mysql :) Could make some very nice php web graphing to go with it.. *grin* I have tried but not being a programmer, really have no idea what I'm doing Cheers Ad --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get
Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
Hi Adam; Am Donnerstag 30 Juni 2005 09:28 schrieb Adam Niedzwiedzki: Hi KP, Yup I've just started going over what information I can find, my first question (I know this is going to sound soo lame) but you say Linux workstation, is there any specific one, do I HAVE to use debian? and if so can I use the latest version or do I have to track down slink? I used buildtool with Suse 9.x and Ubuntu, other team members run Debian and RedHat/Fedora - choose what you like. There may be issues with 2.6 kernel based distributions, but they can/should be solved. For shure you do not have to go with slink - that was a must-have of a Debian glibc 2.0.7 based version to build glibc-based LEAF versions. Bering-uClibc is based on uClibc, and the concept of buildtool is to provide an environment allowing you to compile and package for Bering-uClibc regardless the Linux OS you run it on. kp --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
RE: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
Hi, One tricky thing I've found as a Windows LEAF user is the wall of choice when it comes to picking which Linux distro to add to my WinXP machine for the purpose of building for LEAF. I've tried Mandrake, one for non technical users, and I was baffled, it was vast! With LEAF I know where everything is! Is there not a nice, simple, Linux distro like LEAF but for desktop machines about? All I want to do is run the buildtool. Would it be feasible to create another LEAF branch but one for running buildtool and creating the disk image, not for actually being a firewall/router device? A bootable CD perhaps. Or a USB mass storage device. That would be perfect. A Bering-uClibc compile environment on a USB data key. And speaking of idiot images for CF/HDDs. If it's not possible to have a generic image because of the many different hardware configurations out there, would it not be possible to create an installer? Full blown distros have them. Maybe we then just hit the problem of if you need that sort of support why not just buy a home cable/DSL router and be done. :\ ...I'll go back in my cupboard shall I? Ta, Jim. -Original Message- From: KP Kirchdoerfer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 June 2005 08:57 To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Hi Adam; Am Donnerstag 30 Juni 2005 09:28 schrieb Adam Niedzwiedzki: Hi KP, Yup I've just started going over what information I can find, my first question (I know this is going to sound soo lame) but you say Linux workstation, is there any specific one, do I HAVE to use debian? and if so can I use the latest version or do I have to track down slink? I used buildtool with Suse 9.x and Ubuntu, other team members run Debian and RedHat/Fedora - choose what you like. There may be issues with 2.6 kernel based distributions, but they can/should be solved. For shure you do not have to go with slink - that was a must-have of a Debian glibc 2.0.7 based version to build glibc-based LEAF versions. Bering-uClibc is based on uClibc, and the concept of buildtool is to provide an environment allowing you to compile and package for Bering-uClibc regardless the Linux OS you run it on. kp The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The contents of an attachment to this email may contain software viruses that could damage your own computer systems. Whilst The Spur Group of Companies has taken every precaution to minimise the risk, we cannot accept liability for any damage that you sustain as a result of software viruses. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idt77alloc_id492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
RE: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
Hi, Yeah, I kinda guessed that would be the problem. :) And I wasn't suggesting a replacement to developing on full-blown linux, just an alternative for poor Windows bound fools! Wish I could help, but I just seem to find *nix as impenetrable as lead. My HDD blew on Sunday, so I guess it's time for my annual attempt-to-get-to-grips-with-linux session when the replacement turns up. Maybe I'll save up for a separate PC for it, I hate dual-boot. Thanks, Jim. -Original Message- From: Martin Hejl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 June 2005 11:46 To: James Neave Cc: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Hi James, Would it be feasible to create another LEAF branch but one for running buildtool and creating the disk image, not for actually being a firewall/router device? A bootable CD perhaps. Or a USB mass storage device. That would be perfect. A Bering-uClibc compile environment on a USB data key. That would surely be possible (it has actually been discussed a long time ago to use knoppix or something like that as a base). But it mainly comes down to the fact that there's no way that we could do that without having significantly more manpower. And speaking for myself, I very much like to be able to work on leaf on my Linux desktop, without having to boot some special build distro (but this obviously only applies if one already has a Linux desktop to begin with). And speaking of idiot images for CF/HDDs. If it's not possible to have a generic image because of the many different hardware configurations out there, would it not be possible to create an installer? If somebody wrote one, indeed it would be possible. Remember, we're all doing this in our spare time, and there's only so much one can do in a given amount of time. Full blown distros have them. Indeed they do - but they're also maintained by more than a handful of people. If I (or the others from the Bering uClibc crew) could work on LEAF during my day job, a lot of things would be possible that aren't possible right now, due to the lack of manpower. I hope that clarifies a bit. Martin The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The contents of an attachment to this email may contain software viruses that could damage your own computer systems. Whilst The Spur Group of Companies has taken every precaution to minimise the risk, we cannot accept liability for any damage that you sustain as a result of software viruses. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idt77alloc_id492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, Martin Hejl wrote: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:45:32 +0200 From: Martin Hejl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: James Neave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Hi James, Would it be feasible to create another LEAF branch but one for running buildtool and creating the disk image, not for actually being a firewall/router device? A bootable CD perhaps. Or a USB mass storage device. That would be perfect. A Bering-uClibc compile environment on a USB data key. That would surely be possible (it has actually been discussed a long time ago to use knoppix or something like that as a base). But it mainly comes down to the fact that there's no way that we could do that without having significantly more manpower. And speaking for myself, I very much like to be able to work on leaf on my Linux desktop, without having to boot some special build distro (but this obviously only applies if one already has a Linux desktop to begin with). And speaking of idiot images for CF/HDDs. If it's not possible to have a generic image because of the many different hardware configurations out there, would it not be possible to create an installer? If somebody wrote one, indeed it would be possible. Remember, we're all doing this in our spare time, and there's only so much one can do in a given amount of time. Full blown distros have them. Indeed they do - but they're also maintained by more than a handful of people. If I (or the others from the Bering uClibc crew) could work on LEAF during my day job, a lot of things would be possible that aren't possible right now, due to the lack of manpower. I hope that clarifies a bit. Martin --- Hi Martin For those who are running linux how about a UML or Xen image? Still at this point manpower shortage is a big problem! http://xen.sf.net/ redirects to home in Cambridge England. http://www.xensource.com/ Provides comercial support for Xen. Larry Platzek [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
RE: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
At 05:54 AM 6/30/2005, you wrote: Maybe I'll save up for a separate PC for it, I hate dual-boot. I have had success with Cooperative Linux (coLinux) on my Win2K workstation. Ends up being a console window on the desktop. From that I've launched VNC server and the used a WinVNC client into an X Windows Session. Used the Gentoo distribution and just had a ball. Take a look here http://www.colinux.org/ if you're M$ bound. As Always... Dennis S --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
RE: [leaf-user] 3C905CX Network Card
Did you allow ICMP traffic to originate from your firewall? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James F Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 12:00 PM To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [leaf-user] 3C905CX Network Card Using these cards with the 3c90 module, the cards are being detected and come up with no errors. The problem is that no traffic is coming back across these cards. When I ping from the LEAF machine and sniff the traffic, I see arp request being sent by the leaf box and answered by the other machine. But no icmp packets are being sent. Any ideas Thanks Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
Hi Larry, If you're already running Linux there is no need for something like UML or XEN. Buildtool will run natively on the distro. Why would you run buildtool in a linux UML environment which runs on linux ;-) Eric Hi Martin For those who are running linux how about a UML or Xen image? Still at this point manpower shortage is a big problem! http://xen.sf.net/ redirects to home in Cambridge England. http://www.xensource.com/ Provides comercial support for Xen. Larry Platzek [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
Hi Larry, For those who are running linux how about a UML or Xen image? Well, those who are already running linux don't rally have a problem, since buildtool already runs on linux. So UML of Xen would not really solve the problem that people want to have a build environment for leaf despite running only windows - at least that was my understanding of the problem at hand. Still at this point manpower shortage is a big problem! Indeed - to me, it's actually the only real problem. Everyting else are technical problems (or simply code that still needs to be written), which could most likely be worked out, if the right people had time to work on them. Martin --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
RE: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
Hi James and others, One tricky thing I've found as a Windows LEAF user is the wall of choice when it comes to picking which Linux distro to add to my WinXP machine for the purpose of building for LEAF. Well, we are developing a new branch for Lince based on GNAP (Gentoo Network Appliances) They provide pretty much info regarding a build environment (of course not just a Live CD :)) Would it be feasible to create another LEAF branch but one for running buildtool and creating the disk image, not for actually being a firewall/router device? A bootable CD perhaps. Or a USB mass storage device. That would be perfect. A Bering-uClibc compile environment on a USB data key. Sure, as others have commented, the main problem is lack of time. In our case we have decided to departure completelly from debian as all our systems run Gentoo and we need to have a virtual machine just to keep compiling for Lince :) And speaking of idiot images for CF/HDDs. If it's not possible to have a generic image because of the many different hardware configurations out there, would it not be possible to create an installer? Full blown distros have them. Maybe we then just hit the problem of if you need that sort of support why not just buy a home cable/DSL router and be done. :\ Well, the first Lince version was more or less that without the installer. You had all in an iso image and was quite easy to install (we even made it bootable, you just needed to choose where to write the image :)) In our case, we didnt invest any time on hardware detection as all our boxes are pretty much the same. So we are about to release the new version of Lince, but before we have to solve a problem we have encountered with NAPI suppor on realtek chipsets. It seems realtek doesnt use NAPI on 2.4 but we have found a patch that includes that functionality. The problem is, after some testing we dont see any difference with / without NAPI and we dont know if the patch is wrong or we are doing something wrong and are not activating this feature. Any help on that will accelerate the public day :) Questions: * How do we know if NAPI is being used? * Is this patch working for anybody? * Will upgrading to kernel 2.6 solve this NAPI problem on realteks? Very thankful in advance. Regards PS.- Realtek NAPI Patch ftp://ftp.ovh.net/made-in-ovh/kernel/ -- Jaime Nebrera - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Consultor TI - ENEO Tecnologia SL Telf.- 95 455 40 62 - 619 04 55 18 --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
Hi Eric and Martin, Sorry I was not thinking clearly when sent email! I am glad that buildtool works from current linux distros. I went to bed just after sending the email. Hope you day went well! On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, Eric Spakman wrote: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:25:11 +0200 From: Eric Spakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Hi Larry, If you're already running Linux there is no need for something like UML or XEN. Buildtool will run natively on the distro. Why would you run buildtool in a linux UML environment which runs on linux ;-) Eric Hi Martin For those who are running linux how about a UML or Xen image? Still at this point manpower shortage is a big problem! http://xen.sf.net/ redirects to home in Cambridge England. http://www.xensource.com/ Provides comercial support for Xen. Larry Platzek [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ Larry Platzek [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
i had some time to retry, and found that was (at first) a mbr/partition_id problem, had some bsd on that flash, and i did not recreate the partition_id (o option in fdisk), now he boot, but hangs with: can't open /var/lib/lrpkg/root.dev.own, kernel panic he do that after loading the packages specified in syslinux.cfg, also i get unresolved symbol last ones are ide-detect.o, isofs.o also at loading the syslinux.cfg modules he say linuxrc: installing ... root: root(nf!) , the nf means not found? also i don't understand the logic in having syslinux.cfg and leaf.cfg, i presume that leaf.cfg loads after the root remount. i do use the initrd-ide-cd... lrp, i have hdc1 in syslinux and leaf any ideea, other than follow the scripts/lrps and see where it gets stuck? a doc of how its organized those packages would be usefful, detailed i mean, is the developer doc? and in the end i use Bering-uClibc 2.3.3..beta (or something) looks nice, but its just me that have always problems :)) c giovanni wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I use Bering 1.0 stable on that machine. There are some issues: read carefully the manual that explains how to boot from the ide (it is on the second IDE iface but at boot time it is viewed as the first) This affects ALL booting from IDE disks/flash on that machine: luckily this may be the default setting. On syslinux.cfg you must address as: boot=/dev/hdc1:msdos PKGPATH=/dev/hdc1 Remember that you need ide modules into initd.lrp (to make this you must uncompress initrd.lrp then mount as loop the uncompressed image ancd then put ide-mod.o ide-disk.o ide-probe-mod.o into the directory mountpoint/boot/lib/modules and their names into the file mountpoint/boot/etc/modules then umount and recompress) This for bering 1.0-stable: it is so stable that I'm not planning to use a newer one for the moment. Hope this can help Giovanni ciprian niculescu wrote: i dont find the reference, but the chipset is via vt8601A with a via c3 eden cpu http://www.silink.fr/produits/docs/stc_net.pdf i tried to boot from the flash disk, when i have time i said ill try with a standard ide drive, and/or put another linux on it debian/rh as i boot on pxe so i can do a standard linux install any help on why the flash don't boot, or at least how to check more deeplly, would be nice C cpu memhd wrote: Hello Cirian, which lex system do you have? Sorry it didn’t work out. I must admit, getting leaf to boot of an ide device was a pain for me. Honestly, it took several days, lots of hours. Of course, once you figure it out, it is much too easy. -cpu ciprian niculescu wrote: i coulndt get it to work, the only answer that i got was to RTFM, i did i reask still nothing, so ill put debian :P but leaf sounded nice c P.S. with this small amount of mails i forgot to unsubscribe :) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idt77alloc_id492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCwSwH8hC8JHP3DDQRAr//AKCYGu10jB1GhabozB6glQHpzhxMPwCgodoX TXBXPoGmAjrhSiBcoFSbvVM= =MOYg -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idt77alloc_id492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
Luis, I know I didn't mention it, but I'm referring to linux n00bs actually. There are plenty of knowlegdable windows and old school dos users who could easily get around a leaf box if they had the patients to set one up. I spent two days trying to get my leaf box to boot. The problem? CR+LFs in leaf.cfg. Not that I didn't know unix used LFs, I simply assumed that because syslinux.cfg didn't mind a CR+LF, why should leaf.cfg? -cpu Luis.F.Correia wrote: Hi! -Original Message- From: cpu memhd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: quarta-feira, 29 de Junho de 2005 5:26 To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Hello Eric, I know these packages exist and it is easy to setup. But there are still too many steps envolved for the average n00b. Consider for a moment, a prospective user: one must first decide which packages to use: dropbear/openssh? ipsec/openvpn? dhcpcd/dnsmasq? shorwall.lrp/iptables.lrp (confusing for those who don't [yet] know shorewall is a highlevel frontend to iptablets) I consider LEAF a professional grade router/firewall solution, not for the average Joe User. If all this is scary, use an hardware router, disable all logging on it (to avoid crashes) and you will be mostly fine. I have been looking at some of them lately and the quality of those products has improved a lot! Once this is determined, one has to shuffle disks and type all those strange/foreign unix commands (4.3. Create a bootable HD). Run syslinux, copy/modify syslinux.cfg and leaf.cfg. One simple typo and the system won't boot. Where to seek help; the leaf mailing list? I doubt it. This is too intimidating already. This mailing list is not intimidating, judging from the amount of docs we have, we should expect that people would read them. Sometimes not even README is read... Anyhow, I guess what I'm really suggesting is to have a standard (8-12MB?) CF/HD image with the package-equivalent of say a snapgear or m0n0wall. Enough to boot a feature rich leaf distro. -cpu Not practical to do. Even if you have a CF/HD image, most users will not be able to do anything with it. Their problem is with Linux in general, not LEAF in particular. I remember back in the LRP days, the complains we had about the 'idiot-images', they never seem to manage to make the users happy... The only thing I could possibly agree with you is the documentation, it is way too technical for most users BUT, the answers are all there. Again, if this does seem way too complex, buy an hardware router. Luis Correia Bering uClibc Team Member PGP Fingerprint: BC44 D7DA 5A17 F92A CA21 9ABE DFF0 3540 2322 21F6 Key Server: http://pgp.mit.edu Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
Eric, I understand, but a small installation script could solve these problems. -cpu Eric Spakman wrote: It would be nice if that was possible, but unfortuanatly like Luis told, it's not that easy. For example, we don't know which device is the bootdevice, hda1, hdb1, something else? In my case it's hdc1. So editing leaf.cfg and syslinux.cfg is still needed. An other problem is how to put the image on the CF, with 'dd'? That's really a strange UNIX command. I'm also not sure if the size of the image must be the same as the CF size. Eric __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
- Original Message - From: Erich Titl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: bino_oetomo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Bino bino_oetomo wrote: Here is my version. We (I and my staff) stat using LRP in 2000. At that time, we have 0 (zero) linux knowledge. we realized that there is to much (for us, totaly stupid linux newbie) configuration file that we need to open and edit to do the configuration. AFAIK you have deployed wireless access to extended areas. I would like to profit from your experience. Do you have some technical documentation of your network you can make public. Hi Erich and all. I really realy sorry that I have no docs left. I'm a damn lazzy in docs. All I can do for LEAF users is jut open for all kind of question, as long as it's about routing on wireless MAN. My staff do all the module porting .. if needed. Basically , my experience only about : 1. Wireless client router 2. OSPF (zebra) 3. Source-address-based routing, since this Wireless-MAN was used by 4 ISP as their distribution network. Please be advised that this network is no longer exist. Sincerely -bino- --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] 3C905CX Network Card
Your problem is that the 3c905C series cards use the 3c59x.o module, not the 3c90x.o one. I've no idea why the architecture was changed that drastically with only a single letter to mark the difference, but it does, and I used a 905C as a main ethernet card for 3 years on the 3c59x module so you shouldn't have any problems with a 3c905CX on that one either. George James F wrote: Yes, ICMP is allowed. When we put 3c905b-tx cards in, we are able to pass traffic. It's only on that model that we are having trouble. --- Robert K Coffman Jr - Info From Data Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you allow ICMP traffic to originate from your firewall? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James F Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 12:00 PM To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [leaf-user] 3C905CX Network Card Using these cards with the 3c90 module, the cards are being detected and come up with no errors. The problem is that no traffic is coming back across these cards. When I ping from the LEAF machine and sniff the traffic, I see arp request being sent by the leaf box and answered by the other machine. But no icmp packets are being sent. Any ideas Thanks Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
