Re: [LU] O'Leary

2012-02-08 Thread Dr Michael Benjamin
No I am not. Just have a good memory unclouded by bullshit!
O'Leary built a team from nothing.
We touched glory  were truly glorious.
He loves the place and has unfinished business with himself and us.
He went off the tracks when he was given money to spend that was daft money
 he got that twerp in from Manchester.
He'll sort the defense out.
We know what we're getting  he's nowhere as obnoxious as Davis or a
ticking bomb as with Warnock.
He's more experienced than the rest barring Jones maybe.
Yes I like the choice.
In fact I think he'd be less of a risk than anyone else [bar Jones] for MS.
Lets face it MS wants: experience to bring success, work with kids in a
budget  not aggressive or abrasive with MS.
O'Leary has a v in most if not all boxes.
Michael


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On 8 February 2012 09:57, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Are you mad?

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Re: [LU] O'Leary

2012-02-08 Thread Alec McQueen
On 8 February 2012 18:57, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Are you mad?


Yes
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Re: [LU] O'Leary

2012-02-08 Thread Dr Michael Benjamin
Ahh
That solves it all then.
Seriously why not O'Leary?
Got anyone better?
Michael

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 On 8 February 2012 18:57, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote:

  Are you mad?
 
 
 Yes
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Re: [LU] O'Leary

2012-02-08 Thread Alec McQueen
Simon Grayson

On 8 February 2012 19:59, Dr Michael Benjamin m...@myray.com wrote:

 Ahh
 That solves it all then.
 Seriously why not O'Leary?
 Got anyone better?
 Michael

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Re: [LU] O'Leary

2012-02-08 Thread Kneale, Andy
My overriding memory of O'Deary is him sitting on the bench, chin in hands, 
looking out at his team of expensive misfits (being played out of position), 
and watching it all go wrong, but doing nothing about it - despite a bench full 
of players.  Added to that, his horribly arrogant attitude - never again.  He 
was lucky with that first team - one of those times when a great bunch of young 
players appeared together. He didn't have a clue how to coach them, or how to 
play tactically - second season every team had them figured out, and he had no 
answers.  And once he started to spend big bucks, his lack of managerial 
ability became even more apparent.

Gaffer

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Re: [LU] O'Leary

2012-02-08 Thread Dr Michael Benjamin
LOL


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 Simon Grayson

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  Ahh
  That solves it all then.
  Seriously why not O'Leary?
  Got anyone better?
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Re: [LU] O'Leary

2012-02-08 Thread Kitching, Mark
Let's not get too misty eyed about O'Leary. 

Yes, he did really well but don't forget that he had a lot of money to spend 
and the youngsters that were coming out of the youth team at the time were a 
one off compared to the talent we have available now, none of the current 
youngsters (Howson included) could hold a light to how good players like 
Kewell, Smith and Woodgate were at the time.

Also, people forget that other young players such as Ferdinand, Bowyer and 
Bridges were bought with good money, they didn't come up through the ranks.

On top of all that he inherited a rock solid back four from George Graham.

Having said  that, I'd take him back in a heartbeat over Davies, Ince, Warnock 
or Bruce!

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Re: [LU] O'Leary

2012-02-08 Thread Eric B
My memory of DOL was my feeling when he got the job, I thought: WTF!!!
hes never coached anyone and hes X arsenal. This is NOT GOOD.
I then remember that the lesson I learnt is: never judge a change
until its occurred and been given time. You might get surprised.

I rate DOL very high as he gave me my best LUFC memories. I d take him
back to see if he could surprise me again.

DOL BACK!

Eric

PS: I suspect DOL wouldnt cut the mustard given the financial situation..

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 9:09 AM, Kneale, Andy andy.kne...@jpmchase.com wrote:
 My overriding memory of O'Deary is him sitting on the bench, chin in hands, 
 looking out at his team of expensive misfits (being played out of position), 
 and watching it all go wrong, but doing nothing about it - despite a bench 
 full of players.  Added to that, his horribly arrogant attitude - never 
 again.  He was lucky with that first team - one of those times when a great 
 bunch of young players appeared together. He didn't have a clue how to coach 
 them, or how to play tactically - second season every team had them figured 
 out, and he had no answers.  And once he started to spend big bucks, his lack 
 of managerial ability became even more apparent.

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Re: [LU] O'Leary

2012-02-08 Thread SinisterPicturesDB
As Dr Mike knows, madness is a matter of opinion as to whoever decides what the 
norm is! 
Whoever comes in will have to be able to work under the constrains of master 
bates, so effectively with one hand tied behind their back  with their jaw 
wired to prevent anything being said that may upset captain birdseye.
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Re: [LU] O'Leary

2012-02-08 Thread Richard Walker
Misty eyed - I thought it was widespread knowledge that O'Leary didn't have a 
clue. He had a good set of youngsters who picked themselves and then when he 
had to delve into the transfer market he didn't have a clue. He never knew how 
to use substitutions and in general showed he was really lacking. He then went 
on the Villa and demonstrated this again by dragging a decent team down to near 
relegation. 
 
We shouldn't go near him. 

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Subject: Re: [LU] O'Leary

Let's not get too misty eyed about O'Leary. 

Yes, he did really well but don't forget that he had a lot of money to spend 
and the youngsters that were coming out of the youth team at the time were a 
one off compared to the talent we have available now, none of the current 
youngsters (Howson included) could hold a light to how good players like 
Kewell, Smith and Woodgate were at the time.

Also, people forget that other young players such as Ferdinand, Bowyer and 
Bridges were bought with good money, they didn't come up through the ranks.

On top of all that he inherited a rock solid back four from George Graham.

Having said  that, I'd take him back in a heartbeat over Davies, Ince, Warnock 
or Bruce!

Mark K.

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Re: [LU] O'Leary

2012-02-08 Thread Robert Heath
On 8 February 2012 11:18, Dr Michael Benjamin m...@myray.com wrote:

 No I am not.


Yes you are!
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Re: [LU] O'Leary

2012-02-08 Thread einar
Again - Richard is spot on :)  I've never been as
frustrated as watching O'Leary cluless when things were not
going our way.  I honestly don't think we have had a more
cluless manager in the post-Wilkinson era.  And there are a
few bad ones there mind!  I always felt that when DO stood
up and started pointing around, he did it more to look like
a manager than really contributing to what was going on on
the pitch.

I understand Raddy Antic handed in his application.  Why
isn't he hired yet?

Einar

On Wed, 8 Feb 2012 09:40:34 + (GMT)
 Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 Misty eyed - I thought it was widespread knowledge that
 O'Leary didn't have a clue. He had a good set of
 youngsters who picked themselves and then when he had to
 delve into the transfer market he didn't have a clue. He
 never knew how to use substitutions and in general showed
 he was really lacking. He then went on the Villa and
 demonstrated this again by dragging a decent team down to
 near relegation. 
  
 We shouldn't go near him. 
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Re: [LU] O'Leary

2012-02-08 Thread McWilliams, Brendan, VF-Group (bmcwill)
Richard W is spot on x 2.

My reasons: 

- He sanctioned Seth Johnson, Robbie Keane AND Robbie Fowler, neither of which 
were required at the time. 
- whether it was the book or his babies = their fault transition it seems 
players don't take to him.
- Plus, in the now near 12 years since he left, he's had 2+ seasons at Villa 
and a spell in one of the (Saudi?) Arab leagues. Nuff said. 

Again, they're not popular but I would still be happy with Dave Jones or 
Warnockthen show them the door the day after promotion. 


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Again - Richard is spot on :)  I've never been as

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[LU] Grayson's record

2012-02-08 Thread Kitching, Mark
Wikipedia, the all knowing oracle says that Grayson is officially the 2rd most 
successful Leeds Manager behind Revie on win/draw/loss ratio!

Actually he's 3rd as Redfearn has a 100% record.

You can prove anything with stats though, O'Leary is 3rd :)

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Re: [LU] O'Leary

2012-02-08 Thread Ciarán Diver
Agreed Richard, O'Leary would be a bad move. I still think McCarthy is the man 
for us but given the Wolves win at the weekend (they were getting tonked until 
the sending off) we may need to wait until the end of the season for him, so 
the choices are to stick with Redfearn until the end of the season (and 
possibly write off this season as a result) and wait until the summer, or take 
someone else now. None of the other names mentioned to date fill me with hope.



 From: Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk

 Subject: Re: [LU] O'Leary



 Misty eyed - I thought it was widespread knowledge that O'Leary didn't have a 
 clue. He had a good set of youngsters who picked themselves and then when he 
 had to delve into the transfer market he didn't  have a clue. He never knew 
 how to use substitutions and in general showed he was really lacking. He then 
 went on the Villa and demonstrated this again by dragging a decent team down 
 to near relegation.

?

 We shouldn't go near him.


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Re: [LU] O'Leary

2012-02-08 Thread John Lee
My God, are you lot suffering from Altzheimers? The ONLY reason O'Weary was 
successful is that he inherited a youth team who carried him. He had not a clue 
tactically, had no idea in the transfer market and had a very inflated view of 
his own worth. Clearly not many other clubs buy/bought into his hype, given his 
regular unemployment since. 
 
If he'd not scored that penalty against Rumania I doubt anyone would even 
remember that Terry Wogan sound-alike!!

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Cc: Leeds leedslist leedslist@gn.apc.org 
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Subject: Re: [LU] O'Leary

My memory of DOL was my feeling when he got the job, I thought: WTF!!!
hes never coached anyone and hes X arsenal. This is NOT GOOD.
I then remember that the lesson I learnt is: never judge a change
until its occurred and been given time. You might get surprised.

I rate DOL very high as he gave me my best LUFC memories. I d take him
back to see if he could surprise me again.
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Re: [LU] O'Leary

2012-02-08 Thread Eric B
No I suffer from seeing things in more than black or white. I think
its too simplistic to say DOL was lucky cause he inherited it a good
squad and squads run themselves.. If that was the case why would
anybody hire a manager?

Also, the fact that he had good raw material means nothing. I can go
out and buy the best piece of meat and cook it to shits. I d still
need to apply knowledge to get the best result of that raw material.

having said that I think DOL is more a good weather manager than one
than can turn things around, ie no money, no nothing..

Eric

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:52 AM, John Lee bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 My God, are you lot suffering from Altzheimers? The ONLY reason O'Weary was
 successful is that he inherited a youth team who carried him. He had not a
 clue tactically, had no idea in the transfer market and had a very inflated
 view of his own worth. Clearly not many other clubs buy/bought into his
 hype, given his regular unemployment since.

 If he'd not scored that penalty against Rumania I doubt anyone would even
 remember that Terry Wogan sound-alike!!

 From: Eric B barl...@gmail.com
 To: Kneale, Andy andy.kne...@jpmchase.com
 Cc: Leeds leedslist leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 9:34
 Subject: Re: [LU] O'Leary

 My memory of DOL was my feeling when he got the job, I thought: WTF!!!
 hes never coached anyone and hes X arsenal. This is NOT GOOD.
 I then remember that the lesson I learnt is: never judge a change
 until its occurred and been given time. You might get surprised.

 I rate DOL very high as he gave me my best LUFC memories. I d take him
 back to see if he could surprise me again.
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Re: [LU] O'Leary

2012-02-08 Thread Richard Walker
I wouldn't be surprised to hear that DOL's cv is on Bates's desk. He's making 
noises ever since he left that there's unfinished business. 
 
The only good thing I could say about DOL is that he did go with the youngsters 
whereas someone like George Graham might not have done that. Having said that , 
what a set of youngsters he had. The problem with DOL came when he started to 
bring in some big names - he couldn't make them blend and he was obviously out 
of his depth. Which striker ? Fowler, Keane, Viduka, Smith ??? Which defender 
?? Radebe, Woodgate, Rio, Matteo ? 

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Subject: Re: [LU] O'Leary

No I suffer from seeing things in more than black or white. I think
its too simplistic to say DOL was lucky cause he inherited it a good
squad and squads run themselves.. If that was the case why would
anybody hire a manager?

Also, the fact that he had good raw material means nothing. I can go
out and buy the best piece of meat and cook it to shits. I d still
need to apply knowledge to get the best result of that raw material.

having said that I think DOL is more a good weather manager than one
than can turn things around, ie no money, no nothing..

Eric

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:52 AM, John Lee bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 My God, are you lot suffering from Altzheimers? The ONLY reason O'Weary was
 successful is that he inherited a youth team who carried him. He had not a
 clue tactically, had no idea in the transfer market and had a very inflated
 view of his own worth. Clearly not many other clubs buy/bought into his
 hype, given his regular unemployment since.

 If he'd not scored that penalty against Rumania I doubt anyone would even
 remember that Terry Wogan sound-alike!!

 From: Eric B barl...@gmail.com
 To: Kneale, Andy andy.kne...@jpmchase.com
 Cc: Leeds leedslist leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 9:34
 Subject: Re: [LU] O'Leary

 My memory of DOL was my feeling when he got the job, I thought: WTF!!!
 hes never coached anyone and hes X arsenal. This is NOT GOOD.
 I then remember that the lesson I learnt is: never judge a change
 until its occurred and been given time. You might get surprised.

 I rate DOL very high as he gave me my best LUFC memories. I d take him
 back to see if he could surprise me again.
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[LU] managers

2012-02-08 Thread Richard Naef
HA, gotta laugh at everyone claiming DOL was Lucky and clueless, doubt a
single one of you has ever managed to get toilet trained let alone managed a
football team ;)

 

how could someone who was merely lucky and had no clue, last 4 years as
manager, 50% win ratio, champs league SF etc etc.  He was exactly what we
needed at the time.  As Trotsky said as he gasped his last Damn
Revisionists

 

Would I have him back?  no,  because he wrote THAT book and that showed a
lack of loyalty and judgement and he isn't what we need now.

 

ttfn


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Re: [LU] managers

2012-02-08 Thread Tim Leslie
He inherited a solid platform from GG at the back, his ONE stroke of
genius (and luck, they don't come along in their numbers very often) was
to give the youngsters a chance and had a great plan, attack attack
attack. Use your youthful, carefree attitudes to frighten other teams and
have a go, because GG has left us pretty solid at the back and I can
maintain that. He then employed Brian Kidd, who planted seeds of doubt in
the players minds. The rest, as they say, is history.
StigOfTheDump
5 Seasons manager from U13-U17. One title, Two promotions, two cup finals.
Can pee on any toilet seat in the land with ease! ;-)

 HA, gotta laugh at everyone claiming DOL was Lucky and clueless, doubt a
 single one of you has ever managed to get toilet trained let alone managed
 a
 football team ;)



 how could someone who was merely lucky and had no clue, last 4 years as
 manager, 50% win ratio, champs league SF etc etc.  He was exactly what we
 needed at the time.  As Trotsky said as he gasped his last Damn
 Revisionists



 Would I have him back?  no,  because he wrote THAT book and that showed a
 lack of loyalty and judgement and he isn't what we need now.



 ttfn


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Re: [LU] managers

2012-02-08 Thread Richard Walker
Brilliant. Same old folk that haven't got a clue.
 
Where's Humphries.  Surely he must be a DOL fan. 

From: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 12:38
Subject: [LU] managers

HA, gotta laugh at everyone claiming DOL was Lucky and clueless, doubt a
single one of you has ever managed to get toilet trained let alone managed a
football team ;)



how could someone who was merely lucky and had no clue, last 4 years as
manager, 50% win ratio, champs league SF etc etc.  He was exactly what we
needed at the time.  As Trotsky said as he gasped his last Damn
Revisionists



Would I have him back?  no,  because he wrote THAT book and that showed a
lack of loyalty and judgement and he isn't what we need now.



ttfn


Richard





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[LU] LU: Redfearn it is then....

2012-02-08 Thread Andy Clayton
*Leeds United chairman Ken Bates says the club are in no rush to appoint a
new manager and caretaker boss Neil Redfearn will be in charge for the next
three games. *

Bates says Redfearn since taking over from Simon Grayson last week has
impressed him and he will be given his opportunity to show his credentials
whilst giving Leeds time to consider their options.

Speaking on Yorkshire Radio, Bates said, *We have decided that Neil will
be in charge of the team for at least the next three games against
Brighton, Coventry and Doncaster.

Those three games are all very winnable. We are only two points of the
play-offs. Win those three games and we are back in the play-offs, then who
knows.

We have decided after the impressive start Neil has made, not just with
the win but his presence and his attitude around Thorp Arch that he will be
given his chance to demonstrate, a longer opportunity to demonstrate his
abilities whilst we consider the matter carefully.*

Read more:
http://www.leeds.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=272122#ixzz1lnZMevsV
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Re: [LU] managers

2012-02-08 Thread Eric B
Is that really ALL you can do? state that others that have different
views on things than you are clueless?

Isnt it so that those who start debating others attending the debate
rather than the subject at matter have
lost the debate? Stick to discussing the subject. Or if you feel you
ve got nothing to contribute with we wont
hold it against you.

Eric

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 Brilliant. Same old folk that haven't got a clue.

 Where's Humphries.  Surely he must be a DOL fan.

 From: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 12:38
 Subject: [LU] managers

 HA, gotta laugh at everyone claiming DOL was Lucky and clueless, doubt a
 single one of you has ever managed to get toilet trained let alone managed a
 football team ;)



 how could someone who was merely lucky and had no clue, last 4 years as
 manager, 50% win ratio, champs league SF etc etc.  He was exactly what we
 needed at the time.  As Trotsky said as he gasped his last Damn
 Revisionists



 Would I have him back?  no,  because he wrote THAT book and that showed a
 lack of loyalty and judgement and he isn't what we need now.



 ttfn


 Richard





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Re: [LU] managers

2012-02-08 Thread Richard Walker
Clueless as always. 
 
When did Bates come into the argument. It was all about DOL as a manager and he 
just wasn't up to it. 

From: Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk
To: 'Richard Walker' richleed...@yahoo.co.uk; 'Richard Naef' 
rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 13:42
Subject: RE: [LU] managers

I know you like to moan about everything and everyone so I'm not surprised
you moan about DOL, I am a little surprised by two ironies that seem to have
whizzed over your head (and your groupies of course).

1. You criticise DOL for being lucky and profligate, and yet blame bates for
not bankrolling transfers for SG.  Err hello.
2. You criticise DOL for buying lots of unneeded players, how many defenders
and strikers did SG have on the books?

And seeing as you won't sleep without my opinion, here it is;

DOL was lucky in inheriting a great youth team, however he was brave to
give those kids a break and a run in the side.  Yes, even total donkeys/pub
players like McPhail and Harte.

His management of that team was brilliant.

His downfall (EVERYONE has them in time) was to get a bit cocky, and to
fixate over players he always wanted to sign (like Keane and Fowler).  The
main manifestation of his cockiness was to release that book and ruin team
spirit.  Duberry had a role in that too of course.

On balance, he was a good manager for us, as the results clearly show even
to miserable gits like you.  I don’t think he would work for us now, but
having said that it would be interesting to see how he does - there is no
doubt he is a manager who wants to prove a point (to miserable gits like
you).

There, now you can sleep.

-Original Message-
From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
Behalf Of Richard Walker
Sent: 08 February 2012 13:31
To: Richard Naef; leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] managers

Brilliant. Same old folk that haven't got a clue.
 
Where's Humphries.  Surely he must be a DOL fan. 
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Re: [LU] LU: Redfearn it is then....

2012-02-08 Thread John Boocock IFA

On 08/02/2012 13:56, Andy Clayton wrote:

*Leeds United chairman Ken Bates says the club are in no rush to appoint a
new manager and caretaker boss Neil Redfearn will be in charge for the next
three games. *


Excellent, and with the money he's saving he can build some more hotels 
or whatever on a car park!


Ken Bates saviour of leeds united and all round good guy.  I want to 
have his babies.


Betty
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Re: [LU] managers

2012-02-08 Thread Richard Walker
Yep pretty much. 
 
and by the way ... you are clueless. 

From: Eric B barl...@gmail.com
To: Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk 
Cc: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org 
leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 13:56
Subject: Re: [LU] managers

Is that really ALL you can do? state that others that have different
views on things than you are clueless?

Isnt it so that those who start debating others attending the debate
rather than the subject at matter have
lost the debate? Stick to discussing the subject. Or if you feel you
ve got nothing to contribute with we wont
hold it against you.

Eric

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 Brilliant. Same old folk that haven't got a clue.

 Where's Humphries.  Surely he must be a DOL fan.

 From: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 12:38
 Subject: [LU] managers

 HA, gotta laugh at everyone claiming DOL was Lucky and clueless, doubt a
 single one of you has ever managed to get toilet trained let alone managed a
 football team ;)



 how could someone who was merely lucky and had no clue, last 4 years as
 manager, 50% win ratio, champs league SF etc etc.  He was exactly what we
 needed at the time.  As Trotsky said as he gasped his last Damn
 Revisionists



 Would I have him back?  no,  because he wrote THAT book and that showed a
 lack of loyalty and judgement and he isn't what we need now.



 ttfn


 Richard





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Re: [LU] LU: Redfearn it is then....

2012-02-08 Thread Richard Walker
Bates is a complete joke. 
 
 
and anyone who can't see it is clueless :) 

From: John Boocock IFA john.booc...@internetfootball.org.uk
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 14:05
Subject: Re: [LU] LU: Redfearn it is then

On 08/02/2012 13:56, Andy Clayton wrote:
 *Leeds United chairman Ken Bates says the club are in no rush to appoint a
 new manager and caretaker boss Neil Redfearn will be in charge for the next
 three games. *

Excellent, and with the money he's saving he can build some more hotels or 
whatever on a car park!

Ken Bates saviour of leeds united and all round good guy.  I want to have his 
babies.

Betty
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Re: [LU] LU: Redfearn it is then....

2012-02-08 Thread Jeremy Adams
Anyone who thought Bates wasn't going to give Redfearn a stab at the job 
definitely is clueless. One thing does seem to come through is he appears to be 
popular with the players, remains to be seen if he can manage. He's got three 
winnable games with Brighton being the hardest.

 Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 14:05:38 +
 From: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
 To: john.booc...@internetfootball.org.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] LU: Redfearn it is then
 
 Bates is a complete joke. 
  
  
 and anyone who can't see it is clueless :) 
 
 From: John Boocock IFA john.booc...@internetfootball.org.uk
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
 Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 14:05
 Subject: Re: [LU] LU: Redfearn it is then
 
 On 08/02/2012 13:56, Andy Clayton wrote:
  *Leeds United chairman Ken Bates says the club are in no rush to appoint a
  new manager and caretaker boss Neil Redfearn will be in charge for the next
  three games. *
 
 Excellent, and with the money he's saving he can build some more hotels or 
 whatever on a car park!
 
 Ken Bates saviour of leeds united and all round good guy.  I want to have his 
 babies.
 
 Betty
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Re: [LU] managers

2012-02-08 Thread Dr. Michael Benjamin.
Given the unrest in the dressing room and the players rallying around Redfearn 
MSs decision for three games is wise. ( I hated saying that). 
Let's see. 
Gardiola came through the ranks. 
Michael

Sent from my iPhone. 
Dr Michael Benjamin. 
Community  Psychiatrist. 

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Re: [LU] LU: Redfearn it is then....

2012-02-08 Thread Mark Smith
Redfern favourite now
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/leeds-specials/next-pe
rmanent-manager


-Original Message-
From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremy Adams
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 6:53 AM
To: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk; john.booc...@internetfootball.org.uk;
leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] LU: Redfearn it is then

Anyone who thought Bates wasn't going to give Redfearn a stab at the job
definitely is clueless. One thing does seem to come through is he appears to
be popular with the players, remains to be seen if he can manage. He's got
three winnable games with Brighton being the hardest.

 Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 14:05:38 +
 From: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
 To: john.booc...@internetfootball.org.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] LU: Redfearn it is then
 
 Bates is a complete joke. 
  
  
 and anyone who can't see it is clueless :)
 
 From: John Boocock IFA john.booc...@internetfootball.org.uk
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 14:05
 Subject: Re: [LU] LU: Redfearn it is then
 
 On 08/02/2012 13:56, Andy Clayton wrote:
  *Leeds United chairman Ken Bates says the club are in no rush to 
  appoint a new manager and caretaker boss Neil Redfearn will be in 
  charge for the next three games. *
 
 Excellent, and with the money he's saving he can build some more hotels or
whatever on a car park!
 
 Ken Bates saviour of leeds united and all round good guy.  I want to have
his babies.
 
 Betty
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Re: [LU] LU: Redfearn it is then....

2012-02-08 Thread Richard Walker
can't argue with that - very predicatable 


From: Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com
To: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk; john.booc...@internetfootball.org.uk; 
leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 14:52
Subject: RE: [LU] LU: Redfearn it is then


Anyone who thought Bates wasn't going to give Redfearn a stab at the job 
definitely is clueless. One thing does seem to come through is he appears to be 
popular with the players, remains to be seen if he can manage. He's got three 
winnable games with Brighton being the hardest.

 Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 14:05:38 +
 From: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
 To: john.booc...@internetfootball.org.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] LU: Redfearn it is then
 
 Bates is a complete joke. 
  
  
 and anyone who can't see it is clueless :) 
 
 From: John Boocock IFA john.booc...@internetfootball.org.uk
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
 Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 14:05
 Subject: Re: [LU] LU: Redfearn it is then
 
 On 08/02/2012 13:56, Andy Clayton wrote:
  *Leeds United chairman Ken Bates says the club are in no rush to appoint a
  new manager and caretaker boss Neil Redfearn will be in charge for the next
  three games. *
 
 Excellent, and with the money he's saving he can build some more hotels or 
 whatever on a car park!
 
 Ken Bates saviour of leeds united and all round good guy.  I want to have his 
 babies.
 
 Betty
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Re: [LU] managers

2012-02-08 Thread Richard Walker
Eric don't do that mate - just think all those beautiful match reports slagging 
off Becchio 


From: Eric B barl...@gmail.com
To: Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk 
Cc: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org 
leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 14:57
Subject: Re: [LU] managers

I wont drop to your level. What I ll do though if filter your ass out
of my emails. You re repeating yourself all the time.

and thats how I stay on the list, filters! :-)

Bye now.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 Yep pretty much.

 and by the way ... you are clueless.

 From: Eric B barl...@gmail.com
 To: Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
 Cc: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org
 leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 13:56
 Subject: Re: [LU] managers

 Is that really ALL you can do? state that others that have different
 views on things than you are clueless?

 Isnt it so that those who start debating others attending the debate
 rather than the subject at matter have
 lost the debate? Stick to discussing the subject. Or if you feel you
 ve got nothing to contribute with we wont
 hold it against you.

 Eric

 On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
 wrote:
 Brilliant. Same old folk that haven't got a clue.

 Where's Humphries.  Surely he must be a DOL fan.

 From: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 12:38
 Subject: [LU] managers

 HA, gotta laugh at everyone claiming DOL was Lucky and clueless, doubt a
 single one of you has ever managed to get toilet trained let alone managed
 a
 football team ;)



 how could someone who was merely lucky and had no clue, last 4 years as
 manager, 50% win ratio, champs league SF etc etc.  He was exactly what we
 needed at the time.  As Trotsky said as he gasped his last Damn
 Revisionists



 Would I have him back?  no,  because he wrote THAT book and that showed a
 lack of loyalty and judgement and he isn't what we need now.



 ttfn


 Richard





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Re: [LU] LU: Redfearn it is then....

2012-02-08 Thread Nicholas Armit
Certainly not a clueless observation.



 From: Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
To: Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com; 
john.booc...@internetfootball.org.uk john.booc...@internetfootball.org.uk; 
leedslist@gn.apc.org leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [LU] LU: Redfearn it is then
 
can't argue with that - very predicatable 


From: Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com
To: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk; john.booc...@internetfootball.org.uk; 
leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 14:52
Subject: RE: [LU] LU: Redfearn it is then


Anyone who thought Bates wasn't going to give Redfearn a stab at the job 
definitely is clueless. One thing does seem to come through is he appears to be 
popular with the players, remains to be seen if he can manage. He's got three 
winnable games with Brighton being the hardest.

 Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 14:05:38 +
 From: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
 To: john.booc...@internetfootball.org.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] LU: Redfearn it is then
 
 Bates is a complete joke. 
  
  
 and anyone who can't see it is clueless :) 
 
 From: John Boocock IFA john.booc...@internetfootball.org.uk
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
 Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 14:05
 Subject: Re: [LU] LU: Redfearn it is then
 
 On 08/02/2012 13:56, Andy Clayton wrote:
  *Leeds United chairman Ken Bates says the club are in no rush to appoint a
  new manager and caretaker boss Neil Redfearn will be in charge for the next
  three games. *
 
 Excellent, and with the money he's saving he can build some more hotels or 
 whatever on a car park!
 
 Ken Bates saviour of leeds united and all round good guy.  I want to have his 
 babies.
 
 Betty
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Re: [LU] managers

2012-02-08 Thread McWilliams, Brendan, VF-Group (bmcwill)
Exactly! I actively look forward to the descriptions of Becchio every week!  

(and that's not just because I share the opinion that there are more able 
donkeys on Blackpool beach than Lucky Lucciano).

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Sent: miércoles, 08 de febrero de 2012 17:02
To: Eric B
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] managers

Eric don't do that mate - just think all those beautiful match reports slagging 
off Becchio 

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Re: [LU] managers

2012-02-08 Thread Eric B
its just a small email rule/filter. no biggie. Its ON but I reckon
this gmail subject threading might breaks it.. dam it!

Eric

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:05 PM, McWilliams, Brendan, VF-Group
(bmcwill) brendan.mcwilli...@vodafone.com wrote:
 Exactly! I actively look forward to the descriptions of Becchio every week!

 (and that's not just because I share the opinion that there are more able 
 donkeys on Blackpool beach than Lucky Lucciano).

 -Original Message-
 From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On 
 Behalf Of Richard Walker
 Sent: miércoles, 08 de febrero de 2012 17:02
 To: Eric B
 Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] managers

 Eric don't do that mate - just think all those beautiful match reports 
 slagging off Becchio

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[LU] Sorry to break the bad news to Richard Walker

2012-02-08 Thread Richard Naef
Sorry Richard, looks like Ken has snubbed you as well;

 

Speaking on Yorkshire Radio, the Leeds United chairman said the club has
been inundated with applications but won't be rushed into making a decision.

Applicants ranging from the cheeky to outlandish was how Bates described
some of the list, referring to an 11-year-old boy who thinks he has what it
takes because he's very good at 2010 Playstation Manager Of The Year.

 

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Re: [LU] Sorry to break the bad news to Richard Walker

2012-02-08 Thread Richard Walker
fantastic that Rich - are you here all week ? 


From: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 16:59
Subject: [LU] Sorry to break the bad news to Richard Walker

Sorry Richard, looks like Ken has snubbed you as well;



Speaking on Yorkshire Radio, the Leeds United chairman said the club has
been inundated with applications but won't be rushed into making a decision.

Applicants ranging from the cheeky to outlandish was how Bates described
some of the list, referring to an 11-year-old boy who thinks he has what it
takes because he's very good at 2010 Playstation Manager Of The Year.



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Re: [LU] Sorry to break the bad news to Richard Walker

2012-02-08 Thread Mark Humphries
I honestly had the same thought when I read that.

Aren't I CLUELESS.

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Behalf Of Richard Walker
Sent: 08 February 2012 17:11
To: Richard Naef; leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Sorry to break the bad news to Richard Walker

fantastic that Rich - are you here all week ? 


From: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 16:59
Subject: [LU] Sorry to break the bad news to Richard Walker

Sorry Richard, looks like Ken has snubbed you as well;



Speaking on Yorkshire Radio, the Leeds United chairman said the club has
been inundated with applications but won't be rushed into making a decision.

Applicants ranging from the cheeky to outlandish was how Bates described
some of the list, referring to an 11-year-old boy who thinks he has what it
takes because he's very good at 2010 Playstation Manager Of The Year.



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Re: [LU] LU: Redfearn it is then....

2012-02-08 Thread Jeremy Adams

I honestly think he'll come undone against Brighton. From what I've heard and 
read he didn't really do anything interesting tactically last Saturday. Same 
bunch of cloggers with Pugh in at left back and White on the wing, dunno about 
Pugh at left back but I do prefer White in midfield. No room for Townsend. What 
I thought odd was he made no substitutions when we were 2-0 up against 9 men, 
surely Townsend and Rogers could have come on and run at them while they were 
knackered, maybe built some confidence up.If he's been coaching the young 'uns 
then maybe he knows of a good youngster who could move up the ranks.

Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 08:04:01 -0800
From: arm...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [LU] LU: Redfearn it is then
To: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk; jeremyadam...@hotmail.com; 
john.booc...@internetfootball.org.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org

Certainly not a clueless observation.
From: Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
 To: Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com; 
john.booc...@internetfootball.org.uk john.booc...@internetfootball.org.uk; 
leedslist@gn.apc.org leedslist@gn.apc.org 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 11:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [LU] LU: Redfearn it is
 then
   

can't argue with that - very predicatable 


From: Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com
To: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk; john.booc...@internetfootball.org.uk; 
leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 14:52
Subject: RE: [LU] LU: Redfearn it is then


Anyone who thought Bates wasn't going to give Redfearn a stab at the job 
definitely is clueless. One thing does seem to come through is he appears to be 
popular with the players, remains to be seen if he can manage. He's got three 
winnable games with Brighton being the hardest.

 Date:
 Wed, 8 Feb 2012 14:05:38 +
 From: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
 To: john.booc...@internetfootball.org.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] LU: Redfearn it is then
 
 Bates is a complete joke. 
  
  
 and anyone who can't see it is clueless :) 
 
 From: John Boocock IFA john.booc...@internetfootball.org.uk
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
 Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 14:05

 Subject: Re: [LU] LU: Redfearn it is then
 
 On 08/02/2012 13:56, Andy Clayton wrote:
  *Leeds United chairman Ken Bates says the club are in no rush to appoint a
  new manager and caretaker boss Neil Redfearn will be in charge for the next
  three games. *
 
 Excellent, and with the money he's saving he can build some more hotels or 
 whatever on a car park!
 
 Ken Bates saviour of leeds united and all round good guy.  I want to have his 
 babies.
 
 Betty
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Re: [LU] managers

2012-02-08 Thread Ian Murray
Ha ha - classic!!

Sent from my iPhone

On 8 Feb 2012, at 14:04, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Yep pretty much. 
  
 and by the way ... you are clueless. 
 
 From: Eric B barl...@gmail.com
 To: Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk 
 Cc: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org 
 leedslist@gn.apc.org 
 Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 13:56
 Subject: Re: [LU] managers
 
 Is that really ALL you can do? state that others that have different
 views on things than you are clueless?
 
 Isnt it so that those who start debating others attending the debate
 rather than the subject at matter have
 lost the debate? Stick to discussing the subject. Or if you feel you
 ve got nothing to contribute with we wont
 hold it against you.
 
 Eric
 
 On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk 
 wrote:
 Brilliant. Same old folk that haven't got a clue.
 
 Where's Humphries.  Surely he must be a DOL fan.
 
 From: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 12:38
 Subject: [LU] managers
 
 HA, gotta laugh at everyone claiming DOL was Lucky and clueless, doubt a
 single one of you has ever managed to get toilet trained let alone managed a
 football team ;)
 
 
 
 how could someone who was merely lucky and had no clue, last 4 years as
 manager, 50% win ratio, champs league SF etc etc.  He was exactly what we
 needed at the time.  As Trotsky said as he gasped his last Damn
 Revisionists
 
 
 
 Would I have him back?  no,  because he wrote THAT book and that showed a
 lack of loyalty and judgement and he isn't what we need now.
 
 
 
 ttfn
 
 
 Richard
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [LU] Sorry to break the bad news to Richard Walker

2012-02-08 Thread Ian Murray
YES! :-)

Sent from my iPhone

On 8 Feb 2012, at 18:20, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk 
wrote:

 I honestly had the same thought when I read that.
 
 Aren't I CLUELESS.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
 Behalf Of Richard Walker
 Sent: 08 February 2012 17:11
 To: Richard Naef; leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] Sorry to break the bad news to Richard Walker
 
 fantastic that Rich - are you here all week ? 
 
 
 From: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 16:59
 Subject: [LU] Sorry to break the bad news to Richard Walker
 
 Sorry Richard, looks like Ken has snubbed you as well;
 
 
 
 Speaking on Yorkshire Radio, the Leeds United chairman said the club has
 been inundated with applications but won't be rushed into making a decision.
 
 Applicants ranging from the cheeky to outlandish was how Bates described
 some of the list, referring to an 11-year-old boy who thinks he has what it
 takes because he's very good at 2010 Playstation Manager Of The Year.
 
 
 
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[LU] OPen letter ~~ To the MS

2012-02-08 Thread Dr Michael Benjamin
Sir
Could we please trade in our war chest for a casket in Monaco?
From one of your many adoring morons.
MOTITWD

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