Re: [LU] Hull

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

Gruev was a much bigger miss.

Dan James’ goal… how long have I waited to see a keeper up for a corner, caught 
out.

Just keep ploughing on, it’s all we can do.

Nick

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> On 2 Apr 2024, at 13:16, John Boocock  wrote:
> 
> Dave,
> 
> You didn't mention Connor, do you think we missed him too? From the comfort 
> of the armchair I pondered this at length.
> 
> Betty
> 
>> On 02/04/2024 11:15, nattan--- via Leedslist wrote:
>> We were chasing shadows a bit, Kamara having a mare, Gray showing why he
>>  is not first choice midfield yet. Bamford got no service as the whole
>> team struggled.  Hull were very comfortable apart from one scramble when
>>  Georginio,  Summerville and Firpo all had shots blocked.
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Re: [LU] Hull

[John Boocock]

Dave,

You didn't mention Connor, do you think we missed him too? From the 
comfort of the armchair I pondered this at length.


Betty

On 02/04/2024 11:15, nattan--- via Leedslist wrote:

We were chasing shadows a bit, Kamara having a mare, Gray showing why he
  is not first choice midfield yet. Bamford got no service as the whole
team struggled.  Hull were very comfortable apart from one scramble when
  Georginio,  Summerville and Firpo all had shots blocked.

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Re: [LU] Hull

[Jonathan Wynne via Leedslist]

Great report - thanks Dave.
Jonathan in Dartford
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Subject: [LU] Hull


 Well that went from worry to relief to ecstasy very quickly.On 85 
minutes it looked like a pretty poor performance was going to end with 2 
points dropped,  then by 89 it was relief all round as 2-1 would be 
enough,  then total fun and laughter as James scored as great a goal to 
watch as you can get, the ball heading goalwards as the keeper was miles 
away, one bounce , is it on target? Yes as it nestled into the side of 
net , brilliant and cue MOT and i predict a riot as Georginio brought 
Matteo over to do the h ay ay ay celebrations. 




Pre game we knew Leicester had won,  Ipswich were 2 2 as we left the pub 
but had won before we got to the taxi,  so we had to win or risk falling 
a bit behind. 


We started well, an amazing run by Georginio led to him feeding 
Summerville whose shot was well saved but as the ball looped up Sam 
Byram leapt like a salmon at the far post and headed ( faced?)  it in. 


A bit later a lovely cross by James was met by Bamford sliding in to 
poke home - 2 0  and game as good as over,  except somehow Paddy caught 
it with his shin and it went miles over, a terrible miss.


After that we lost our way and Hull took complete control.  Luckily 
apart from their goal they did not really create any real chances.  The 
goal came as one lad skipped through a few half hearted challenges and 
crossed into the box, the forward got in ahead of Rodon (?) and finished 
well.


We were chasing shadows a bit, Kamara having a mare, Gray showing why he 
is not first choice midfield yet. Bamford got no service as the whole 
team struggled.  Hull were very comfortable apart from one scramble when 
Georginio,  Summerville and Firpo all had shots blocked. 


Second half was similar with us finding it hard to get or keep the ball 
and many players looking tired and below par. Then on 70 came the subs 
and we found some energy and a bit of impetus.  We started to create a 
few half chances,  Gray was denied what looked like a penalty,  Matteo 
hit the post, Firpo should have scored with a header. Then as the game 
was looking like a draw , Summerville ran down the wing  took on the 
full back  beating him with ease, but then being 'taken out' before he 
could cross. 100% a penalty but stupid defending.  


Cue a very odd moment- Firpo took the ball, we all thought it was just 
the modern way , one player pretends to take it then hands to the actual 
taker when everything has setlled down. Here Summerville took it off him 
as Piroe came to grab it ( double bluff?) . Then Summerville refused to 
give it up and Ampadu got involved - it looked bad and the pressure on 
Summerville was ramped up " he had better score " was said by many of 
us.  No need to worry - Summerville was as casual as you can be , 
sending  the keeper one way and rolling the ball down the middle. As 
much relief as celebration in the crowd.


Just see it out now - 7 minutes mainly added on due to their time 
wasting could still cost us, especially when Georginio instead of 
hammering the ball away gave it to a Hull player on the edge of the 
area.


 Their keeper was up for a corner and stayed up - big mistake as we 
cleared the ball to Piroe on the wing, instead of kicking it as far as 
he could he fed DJ , we hoped/ expected him to put his head down and run 
to their corner flag,  instead he knew the keeper was nowhere and shot 
from just inside their half, the rest is history, one bounce and 3 1. DJ 
rammed the " who let his country down " chants from the Hull fans down 
their throats 


So 3pts to us Leicester and Ipswich as Southampton are probably out of 
the race, so 2 from 3 and it is anyones guess who will do what.


A great result after a hard game, 5 or 6 days now to get Gruev ( who was 
badly missed ) fit and hopefully Rodon,  Kamara and Byram back to 100% - 
all had issues yesterday 


Six games to go, none will be easy but Coventry away next time up is 
perhaps the most difficult- (that and Boro-)  so a win by any means 
necessary will do


Come on Leeds 

Dave 

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Re: [LU] Hull

[nattan--- via Leedslist]

 I can confirm the brilliant treatment we ( me and my brothers went ) were 
given in Bilbao.  We were worried about the reception in Spain since our media 
we pushing the line that the Spanish were on the side of the Argies re 
Falklands,  and showed pictures of the " black whole of Bilbao "One journo ( 
Terry something) even wrote a story about someone "spitting on his shadow " a 
massive insult,  because he was English!  Met Terry later and he admitted it 
was main,y crap, some tramp had spat on floor as he walked past, just a 
coincidence,  but made a good story 
In the event we were treated like royalty,  lots of free drinks and food , the 
Basques loved the English because HMS Hood (???)  had beaten a blockade and 
saved them all from starvation in the war
We got our own 'guide's- Billy the Basque who showed us round and get us an 
invite to dinner at some head honchos house, where another guest was an ex 
Athletic Bilbao player
Still right up there with my favourite ever foreign trips 
Got lots of tales - they taught us to say "GORA EUSKADI" rather than viva 
Espana !!DaveHaving a real old reminice to myself !
On Sunday, 1 March 2020, 22:53:24 GMT, Tim Whelan via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
  He's already managed my favourite club in the Spanish league, in the shape of 
Athletic Bilbao. (Choosing my words carefully so I don't call them a 'Spanish 
club', in view of their Basque following). 
I've never been there, but I've 'supported' them in Spanish football since 
1982, when I read that during the World Cup of that year the England fans had 
got on well with the Basques when all 3 first round group games were played in 
Bilbao, but not with the Spaniards once England got through to the second round 
mini-group. So it was doubly glorious to see Bielsa's Athletic side outclass 
Man United in the 2012 Europa League, beating the red scum home and away.
https://thesefootballtimes.co/2019/07/09/how-marcelo-bielsa-turned-athletic-club-into-one-of-europes-most-exciting-machines/

    On Sunday, 1 March 2020, 16:21:51 GMT, Matt Anderson 
 wrote:  
 
 It’s not really but if I had a favourite Spanish club i’d want bielsa to 
manage it 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 1 Mar 2020, at 15:29, Scott1cairns1  wrote:
> 
> Well that’s cold frickin comfort 
> 
> Best regards,Scott. 
> 
>> On 1 Mar 2020, at 15:21, Matt Anderson  wrote:
>> 
>> I heard the betis thing too. Luckily my wife used to live in Seville and 
>> spend a fair bit of time there and Betis games are great! Proper old school 
>> atmosphere. Sevilla is like  watching arsenal at emirates, totally dull. If 
>> the worst happened that would give me a modicum of happiness 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 29 Feb 2020, at 17:22, John Lee via Leedslist  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Great result, and despite a pretty frantic first half, the result was what 
>>> we deserved ( and bizarrely what I’d tipped pre-match) - in fact 7 or 8 
>>> would have been a fairer result.
>>> 
>>> Harrison was excellent today, bar a couple of overhit crosses - he never, 
>>> ever, stops running! Ditto Klich - in the post match interview (he was 
>>> Sky’s MOTM) he did admit to being tired! 
>>> 
>>> As for Meslier - 4 botched passes out of goal, but no rash dashes out, 
>>> caught everything that came his way and was a calming influence, on me at 
>>> least! 
>>> 
>>> One slight irritation is Ayling’s new found ‘skill’ of falling over the 
>>> very microsecond anyone brushes him. I can’t say I like it, but it’s how 
>>> football is I suppose?
>>> 
>>> Felt very sorry for Bamford with Roberts’ 2 goals - maybe he’s more of a 
>>> finisher than Bamford, but Bamford does put in a proverbial shift. He 
>>> desperately needs a few goals though!
>>> 
>>> Fulham result aside, not a bad day!
>>> 
>>> One thing I hadn’t heard was if Leeds go up Marcello will stay, but if we 
>>> fail he’s going to Real Betis in Seville. Not heard that before.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
> On 29 Feb 2020, at 16:18, nattan--- via Leedslist  
> wrote:
 
 Just what the doctor orderedAnother clean sheet to give Meslier confidence 
  , I thought he mainly did well and looked very composed.  Also for once s 
 scoreline that reflected our overall dominance.  Ok we were very lucky 
 with the first goal but just as unlucky when Pablo hit the woodwork 
 minutes laterFirst half was poor but once we stepped up a few gears we 
 were unstoppable. Harrison dead unlucky twice and their keeper their man 
 of the match whilst conceding 4, says it all.However poor they were and 
 the fact it was a reserve team does not matter, we put them to the sword
 Big thing now is can Tyler stay fit ? With him and Big Kev on the bench we 
 can either rest Bamford or bring on someone to put the ball in the net if 
 it continues to not quite work for him
 Brilliant day and with a lot of bottom teams to play it is all in our own 
 hands
 Dave 
 
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Re: [LU] Hull

[tim]

I went to The Basque Derby a few years ago, Real Sociedad v Athletic 
Bilbao - 'The Friendly Derby', in San Sebastian. Brilliant atmosphere 
pre match, both sets of fans singing Basque songs in and around all the 
Pinxto (Basque Tapas) bars. Highly recommended if you like footy and 
food!!!


On 2020-03-01 22:53, Tim Whelan via Leedslist wrote:

He's already managed my favourite club in the Spanish league, in the
shape of Athletic Bilbao. (Choosing my words carefully so I don't call
them a 'Spanish club', in view of their Basque following). 
I've never been there, but I've 'supported' them in Spanish football
since 1982, when I read that during the World Cup of that year the
England fans had got on well with the Basques when all 3 first round
group games were played in Bilbao, but not with the Spaniards once
England got through to the second round mini-group. So it was doubly
glorious to see Bielsa's Athletic side outclass Man United in the 2012
Europa League, beating the red scum home and away.
https://thesefootballtimes.co/2019/07/09/how-marcelo-bielsa-turned-athletic-club-into-one-of-europes-most-exciting-machines/


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Re: [LU] Hull

[Tim Whelan via Leedslist]

 He's already managed my favourite club in the Spanish league, in the shape of 
Athletic Bilbao. (Choosing my words carefully so I don't call them a 'Spanish 
club', in view of their Basque following). 
I've never been there, but I've 'supported' them in Spanish football since 
1982, when I read that during the World Cup of that year the England fans had 
got on well with the Basques when all 3 first round group games were played in 
Bilbao, but not with the Spaniards once England got through to the second round 
mini-group. So it was doubly glorious to see Bielsa's Athletic side outclass 
Man United in the 2012 Europa League, beating the red scum home and away.
https://thesefootballtimes.co/2019/07/09/how-marcelo-bielsa-turned-athletic-club-into-one-of-europes-most-exciting-machines/

On Sunday, 1 March 2020, 16:21:51 GMT, Matt Anderson 
 wrote:  
 
 It’s not really but if I had a favourite Spanish club i’d want bielsa to 
manage it 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 1 Mar 2020, at 15:29, Scott1cairns1  wrote:
> 
> Well that’s cold frickin comfort 
> 
> Best regards,Scott. 
> 
>> On 1 Mar 2020, at 15:21, Matt Anderson  wrote:
>> 
>> I heard the betis thing too. Luckily my wife used to live in Seville and 
>> spend a fair bit of time there and Betis games are great! Proper old school 
>> atmosphere. Sevilla is like  watching arsenal at emirates, totally dull. If 
>> the worst happened that would give me a modicum of happiness 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 29 Feb 2020, at 17:22, John Lee via Leedslist  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Great result, and despite a pretty frantic first half, the result was what 
>>> we deserved ( and bizarrely what I’d tipped pre-match) - in fact 7 or 8 
>>> would have been a fairer result.
>>> 
>>> Harrison was excellent today, bar a couple of overhit crosses - he never, 
>>> ever, stops running! Ditto Klich - in the post match interview (he was 
>>> Sky’s MOTM) he did admit to being tired! 
>>> 
>>> As for Meslier - 4 botched passes out of goal, but no rash dashes out, 
>>> caught everything that came his way and was a calming influence, on me at 
>>> least! 
>>> 
>>> One slight irritation is Ayling’s new found ‘skill’ of falling over the 
>>> very microsecond anyone brushes him. I can’t say I like it, but it’s how 
>>> football is I suppose?
>>> 
>>> Felt very sorry for Bamford with Roberts’ 2 goals - maybe he’s more of a 
>>> finisher than Bamford, but Bamford does put in a proverbial shift. He 
>>> desperately needs a few goals though!
>>> 
>>> Fulham result aside, not a bad day!
>>> 
>>> One thing I hadn’t heard was if Leeds go up Marcello will stay, but if we 
>>> fail he’s going to Real Betis in Seville. Not heard that before.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
> On 29 Feb 2020, at 16:18, nattan--- via Leedslist  
> wrote:
 
 Just what the doctor orderedAnother clean sheet to give Meslier confidence 
  , I thought he mainly did well and looked very composed.  Also for once s 
 scoreline that reflected our overall dominance.  Ok we were very lucky 
 with the first goal but just as unlucky when Pablo hit the woodwork 
 minutes laterFirst half was poor but once we stepped up a few gears we 
 were unstoppable. Harrison dead unlucky twice and their keeper their man 
 of the match whilst conceding 4, says it all.However poor they were and 
 the fact it was a reserve team does not matter, we put them to the sword
 Big thing now is can Tyler stay fit ? With him and Big Kev on the bench we 
 can either rest Bamford or bring on someone to put the ball in the net if 
 it continues to not quite work for him
 Brilliant day and with a lot of bottom teams to play it is all in our own 
 hands
 Dave 
 
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[John Lee via Leedslist]

Matt - a few years back we went to watch Sevilla v Zaragoza - it seemed pretty 
lively that night :-) 

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> On 1 Mar 2020, at 18:28, Scott1cairns1  wrote:
> 
> Well hopefully it won’t come to that old chap 
> 
> Best regards,Scott. 
> 
>> On 1 Mar 2020, at 16:21, Matt Anderson  wrote:
>> 
>> It’s not really but if I had a favourite Spanish club i’d want bielsa to 
>> manage it 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 1 Mar 2020, at 15:29, Scott1cairns1  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well that’s cold frickin comfort 
>>> 
>>> Best regards,Scott. 
>>> 
> On 1 Mar 2020, at 15:21, Matt Anderson  wrote:
 
 I heard the betis thing too. Luckily my wife used to live in Seville and 
 spend a fair bit of time there and Betis games are great! Proper old 
 school atmosphere. Sevilla is like  watching arsenal at emirates, totally 
 dull. If the worst happened that would give me a modicum of happiness 
 
 
 
> On 29 Feb 2020, at 17:22, John Lee via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Great result, and despite a pretty frantic first half, the result was 
> what we deserved ( and bizarrely what I’d tipped pre-match) - in fact 7 
> or 8 would have been a fairer result.
> 
> Harrison was excellent today, bar a couple of overhit crosses - he never, 
> ever, stops running! Ditto Klich - in the post match interview (he was 
> Sky’s MOTM) he did admit to being tired! 
> 
> As for Meslier - 4 botched passes out of goal, but no rash dashes out, 
> caught everything that came his way and was a calming influence, on me at 
> least! 
> 
> One slight irritation is Ayling’s new found ‘skill’ of falling over the 
> very microsecond anyone brushes him. I can’t say I like it, but it’s how 
> football is I suppose?
> 
> Felt very sorry for Bamford with Roberts’ 2 goals - maybe he’s more of a 
> finisher than Bamford, but Bamford does put in a proverbial shift. He 
> desperately needs a few goals though!
> 
> Fulham result aside, not a bad day!
> 
> One thing I hadn’t heard was if Leeds go up Marcello will stay, but if we 
> fail he’s going to Real Betis in Seville. Not heard that before.
> 
> John
> 
>>> On 29 Feb 2020, at 16:18, nattan--- via Leedslist 
>>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Just what the doctor orderedAnother clean sheet to give Meslier 
>> confidence  , I thought he mainly did well and looked very composed.  
>> Also for once s scoreline that reflected our overall dominance.  Ok we 
>> were very lucky with the first goal but just as unlucky when Pablo hit 
>> the woodwork minutes laterFirst half was poor but once we stepped up a 
>> few gears we were unstoppable. Harrison dead unlucky twice and their 
>> keeper their man of the match whilst conceding 4, says it all.However 
>> poor they were and the fact it was a reserve team does not matter, we 
>> put them to the sword
>> Big thing now is can Tyler stay fit ? With him and Big Kev on the bench 
>> we can either rest Bamford or bring on someone to put the ball in the 
>> net if it continues to not quite work for him
>> Brilliant day and with a lot of bottom teams to play it is all in our 
>> own hands
>> Dave 
>> 
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Well hopefully it won’t come to that old chap 

Best regards,Scott. 

> On 1 Mar 2020, at 16:21, Matt Anderson  wrote:
> 
> It’s not really but if I had a favourite Spanish club i’d want bielsa to 
> manage it 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 1 Mar 2020, at 15:29, Scott1cairns1  wrote:
>> 
>> Well that’s cold frickin comfort 
>> 
>> Best regards,Scott. 
>> 
 On 1 Mar 2020, at 15:21, Matt Anderson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I heard the betis thing too. Luckily my wife used to live in Seville and 
>>> spend a fair bit of time there and Betis games are great! Proper old school 
>>> atmosphere. Sevilla is like  watching arsenal at emirates, totally dull. If 
>>> the worst happened that would give me a modicum of happiness 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 29 Feb 2020, at 17:22, John Lee via Leedslist  
 wrote:
 
 Great result, and despite a pretty frantic first half, the result was what 
 we deserved ( and bizarrely what I’d tipped pre-match) - in fact 7 or 8 
 would have been a fairer result.
 
 Harrison was excellent today, bar a couple of overhit crosses - he never, 
 ever, stops running! Ditto Klich - in the post match interview (he was 
 Sky’s MOTM) he did admit to being tired! 
 
 As for Meslier - 4 botched passes out of goal, but no rash dashes out, 
 caught everything that came his way and was a calming influence, on me at 
 least! 
 
 One slight irritation is Ayling’s new found ‘skill’ of falling over the 
 very microsecond anyone brushes him. I can’t say I like it, but it’s how 
 football is I suppose?
 
 Felt very sorry for Bamford with Roberts’ 2 goals - maybe he’s more of a 
 finisher than Bamford, but Bamford does put in a proverbial shift. He 
 desperately needs a few goals though!
 
 Fulham result aside, not a bad day!
 
 One thing I hadn’t heard was if Leeds go up Marcello will stay, but if we 
 fail he’s going to Real Betis in Seville. Not heard that before.
 
 John
 
>> On 29 Feb 2020, at 16:18, nattan--- via Leedslist  
>> wrote:
> 
> Just what the doctor orderedAnother clean sheet to give Meslier 
> confidence  , I thought he mainly did well and looked very composed.  
> Also for once s scoreline that reflected our overall dominance.  Ok we 
> were very lucky with the first goal but just as unlucky when Pablo hit 
> the woodwork minutes laterFirst half was poor but once we stepped up a 
> few gears we were unstoppable. Harrison dead unlucky twice and their 
> keeper their man of the match whilst conceding 4, says it all.However 
> poor they were and the fact it was a reserve team does not matter, we put 
> them to the sword
> Big thing now is can Tyler stay fit ? With him and Big Kev on the bench 
> we can either rest Bamford or bring on someone to put the ball in the net 
> if it continues to not quite work for him
> Brilliant day and with a lot of bottom teams to play it is all in our own 
> hands
> Dave 
> 
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Matt Anderson]

It’s not really but if I had a favourite Spanish club i’d want bielsa to manage 
it 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 1 Mar 2020, at 15:29, Scott1cairns1  wrote:
> 
> Well that’s cold frickin comfort 
> 
> Best regards,Scott. 
> 
>> On 1 Mar 2020, at 15:21, Matt Anderson  wrote:
>> 
>> I heard the betis thing too. Luckily my wife used to live in Seville and 
>> spend a fair bit of time there and Betis games are great! Proper old school 
>> atmosphere. Sevilla is like  watching arsenal at emirates, totally dull. If 
>> the worst happened that would give me a modicum of happiness 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 29 Feb 2020, at 17:22, John Lee via Leedslist  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Great result, and despite a pretty frantic first half, the result was what 
>>> we deserved ( and bizarrely what I’d tipped pre-match) - in fact 7 or 8 
>>> would have been a fairer result.
>>> 
>>> Harrison was excellent today, bar a couple of overhit crosses - he never, 
>>> ever, stops running! Ditto Klich - in the post match interview (he was 
>>> Sky’s MOTM) he did admit to being tired! 
>>> 
>>> As for Meslier - 4 botched passes out of goal, but no rash dashes out, 
>>> caught everything that came his way and was a calming influence, on me at 
>>> least! 
>>> 
>>> One slight irritation is Ayling’s new found ‘skill’ of falling over the 
>>> very microsecond anyone brushes him. I can’t say I like it, but it’s how 
>>> football is I suppose?
>>> 
>>> Felt very sorry for Bamford with Roberts’ 2 goals - maybe he’s more of a 
>>> finisher than Bamford, but Bamford does put in a proverbial shift. He 
>>> desperately needs a few goals though!
>>> 
>>> Fulham result aside, not a bad day!
>>> 
>>> One thing I hadn’t heard was if Leeds go up Marcello will stay, but if we 
>>> fail he’s going to Real Betis in Seville. Not heard that before.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
> On 29 Feb 2020, at 16:18, nattan--- via Leedslist  
> wrote:
 
 Just what the doctor orderedAnother clean sheet to give Meslier confidence 
  , I thought he mainly did well and looked very composed.  Also for once s 
 scoreline that reflected our overall dominance.  Ok we were very lucky 
 with the first goal but just as unlucky when Pablo hit the woodwork 
 minutes laterFirst half was poor but once we stepped up a few gears we 
 were unstoppable. Harrison dead unlucky twice and their keeper their man 
 of the match whilst conceding 4, says it all.However poor they were and 
 the fact it was a reserve team does not matter, we put them to the sword
 Big thing now is can Tyler stay fit ? With him and Big Kev on the bench we 
 can either rest Bamford or bring on someone to put the ball in the net if 
 it continues to not quite work for him
 Brilliant day and with a lot of bottom teams to play it is all in our own 
 hands
 Dave 
 
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Scott1cairns1]

Well that’s cold frickin comfort 

Best regards,Scott. 

> On 1 Mar 2020, at 15:21, Matt Anderson  wrote:
> 
> I heard the betis thing too. Luckily my wife used to live in Seville and 
> spend a fair bit of time there and Betis games are great! Proper old school 
> atmosphere. Sevilla is like  watching arsenal at emirates, totally dull. If 
> the worst happened that would give me a modicum of happiness 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 29 Feb 2020, at 17:22, John Lee via Leedslist  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Great result, and despite a pretty frantic first half, the result was what 
>> we deserved ( and bizarrely what I’d tipped pre-match) - in fact 7 or 8 
>> would have been a fairer result.
>> 
>> Harrison was excellent today, bar a couple of overhit crosses - he never, 
>> ever, stops running! Ditto Klich - in the post match interview (he was Sky’s 
>> MOTM) he did admit to being tired! 
>> 
>> As for Meslier - 4 botched passes out of goal, but no rash dashes out, 
>> caught everything that came his way and was a calming influence, on me at 
>> least! 
>> 
>> One slight irritation is Ayling’s new found ‘skill’ of falling over the very 
>> microsecond anyone brushes him. I can’t say I like it, but it’s how football 
>> is I suppose?
>> 
>> Felt very sorry for Bamford with Roberts’ 2 goals - maybe he’s more of a 
>> finisher than Bamford, but Bamford does put in a proverbial shift. He 
>> desperately needs a few goals though!
>> 
>> Fulham result aside, not a bad day!
>> 
>> One thing I hadn’t heard was if Leeds go up Marcello will stay, but if we 
>> fail he’s going to Real Betis in Seville. Not heard that before.
>> 
>> John
>> 
 On 29 Feb 2020, at 16:18, nattan--- via Leedslist  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just what the doctor orderedAnother clean sheet to give Meslier confidence  
>>> , I thought he mainly did well and looked very composed.  Also for once s 
>>> scoreline that reflected our overall dominance.  Ok we were very lucky with 
>>> the first goal but just as unlucky when Pablo hit the woodwork minutes 
>>> laterFirst half was poor but once we stepped up a few gears we were 
>>> unstoppable. Harrison dead unlucky twice and their keeper their man of the 
>>> match whilst conceding 4, says it all.However poor they were and the fact 
>>> it was a reserve team does not matter, we put them to the sword
>>> Big thing now is can Tyler stay fit ? With him and Big Kev on the bench we 
>>> can either rest Bamford or bring on someone to put the ball in the net if 
>>> it continues to not quite work for him
>>> Brilliant day and with a lot of bottom teams to play it is all in our own 
>>> hands
>>> Dave 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Sky Yahoo Mail on Android
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Matt Anderson]

I heard the betis thing too. Luckily my wife used to live in Seville and spend 
a fair bit of time there and Betis games are great! Proper old school 
atmosphere. Sevilla is like  watching arsenal at emirates, totally dull. If the 
worst happened that would give me a modicum of happiness 



> On 29 Feb 2020, at 17:22, John Lee via Leedslist  wrote:
> 
> Great result, and despite a pretty frantic first half, the result was what we 
> deserved ( and bizarrely what I’d tipped pre-match) - in fact 7 or 8 would 
> have been a fairer result.
> 
> Harrison was excellent today, bar a couple of overhit crosses - he never, 
> ever, stops running! Ditto Klich - in the post match interview (he was Sky’s 
> MOTM) he did admit to being tired! 
> 
> As for Meslier - 4 botched passes out of goal, but no rash dashes out, caught 
> everything that came his way and was a calming influence, on me at least! 
> 
> One slight irritation is Ayling’s new found ‘skill’ of falling over the very 
> microsecond anyone brushes him. I can’t say I like it, but it’s how football 
> is I suppose?
> 
> Felt very sorry for Bamford with Roberts’ 2 goals - maybe he’s more of a 
> finisher than Bamford, but Bamford does put in a proverbial shift. He 
> desperately needs a few goals though!
> 
> Fulham result aside, not a bad day!
> 
> One thing I hadn’t heard was if Leeds go up Marcello will stay, but if we 
> fail he’s going to Real Betis in Seville. Not heard that before.
> 
> John
> 
>> On 29 Feb 2020, at 16:18, nattan--- via Leedslist  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Just what the doctor orderedAnother clean sheet to give Meslier confidence  
>> , I thought he mainly did well and looked very composed.  Also for once s 
>> scoreline that reflected our overall dominance.  Ok we were very lucky with 
>> the first goal but just as unlucky when Pablo hit the woodwork minutes 
>> laterFirst half was poor but once we stepped up a few gears we were 
>> unstoppable. Harrison dead unlucky twice and their keeper their man of the 
>> match whilst conceding 4, says it all.However poor they were and the fact it 
>> was a reserve team does not matter, we put them to the sword
>> Big thing now is can Tyler stay fit ? With him and Big Kev on the bench we 
>> can either rest Bamford or bring on someone to put the ball in the net if it 
>> continues to not quite work for him
>> Brilliant day and with a lot of bottom teams to play it is all in our own 
>> hands
>> Dave 
>> 
>> Sent from Sky Yahoo Mail on Android
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Re: [LU] Hull

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Great result, and despite a pretty frantic first half, the result was what we 
deserved ( and bizarrely what I’d tipped pre-match) - in fact 7 or 8 would have 
been a fairer result.

Harrison was excellent today, bar a couple of overhit crosses - he never, ever, 
stops running! Ditto Klich - in the post match interview (he was Sky’s MOTM) he 
did admit to being tired! 

As for Meslier - 4 botched passes out of goal, but no rash dashes out, caught 
everything that came his way and was a calming influence, on me at least! 

One slight irritation is Ayling’s new found ‘skill’ of falling over the very 
microsecond anyone brushes him. I can’t say I like it, but it’s how football is 
I suppose?

Felt very sorry for Bamford with Roberts’ 2 goals - maybe he’s more of a 
finisher than Bamford, but Bamford does put in a proverbial shift. He 
desperately needs a few goals though!

Fulham result aside, not a bad day!

One thing I hadn’t heard was if Leeds go up Marcello will stay, but if we fail 
he’s going to Real Betis in Seville. Not heard that before.

John

> On 29 Feb 2020, at 16:18, nattan--- via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Just what the doctor orderedAnother clean sheet to give Meslier confidence  , 
> I thought he mainly did well and looked very composed.  Also for once s 
> scoreline that reflected our overall dominance.  Ok we were very lucky with 
> the first goal but just as unlucky when Pablo hit the woodwork minutes 
> laterFirst half was poor but once we stepped up a few gears we were 
> unstoppable. Harrison dead unlucky twice and their keeper their man of the 
> match whilst conceding 4, says it all.However poor they were and the fact it 
> was a reserve team does not matter, we put them to the sword
> Big thing now is can Tyler stay fit ? With him and Big Kev on the bench we 
> can either rest Bamford or bring on someone to put the ball in the net if it 
> continues to not quite work for him
> Brilliant day and with a lot of bottom teams to play it is all in our own 
> hands
> Dave 
> 
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Tim Greenwood]

Agreed, and let’s hope to hell that Meslier does not get injured or sent
off in the next six games


On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 11:19 AM nattan--- via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

> Just what the doctor orderedAnother clean sheet to give Meslier
> confidence  , I thought he mainly did well and looked very composed.  Also
> for once s scoreline that reflected our overall dominance.  Ok we were very
> lucky with the first goal but just as unlucky when Pablo hit the woodwork
> minutes laterFirst half was poor but once we stepped up a few gears we were
> unstoppable. Harrison dead unlucky twice and their keeper their man of the
> match whilst conceding 4, says it all.However poor they were and the fact
> it was a reserve team does not matter, we put them to the sword
> Big thing now is can Tyler stay fit ? With him and Big Kev on the bench we
> can either rest Bamford or bring on someone to put the ball in the net if
> it continues to not quite work for him
> Brilliant day and with a lot of bottom teams to play it is all in our own
> hands
> Dave
>
> Sent from Sky Yahoo Mail on Android
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

He did but it was deflected into Costas path - he hit the first man as usual 
On Wednesday, December 11, 2019, 6:15 pm, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist 
 wrote:
 Harrison's pass to Hernandez against Huddersfield; Couple from Alioski 
recently too.
Nick
    On Wednesday, December 11, 2019, 11:17:54 AM EST, Robert Heath 
 wrote:  
 
 A propos of our passing, I have seen two passes in particular this season
that were so beautiful I would have asked them to marry me if I wasn't
already married.

1. The ball Klich played through to Bamford in the game v QPR (I
think.when he went round the keeper then got tackled brilliantly by
a defender arriving on his blindside.)
2. Pablo's pass last night to Costa.

Each one was played with delicious and perfect weight but also a fabulous
amount of curve and fade so the ball just arrived immaculately in front of
the runner.

On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 2:55 PM Richard Naef <
rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote:

> I don't know what game you were watching if what you took away for the
> performance was this report, particularly that we "hoof it!!!"
>
> 592 passes 81% completion.  I think you have to take into account the type
> of passes we are attempting, to feet or onto runners out out from the back
> under pressure, doesn't always work, but almost always it’s a positive
> pass, rather than just to get rid.
>
> And when we do mis pass, we are onto it immediately and as often as not
> recover the ball.  I just can't understand how people can slate our passing
> (terrible/shocking/woeful), but it's probably down to my misfortune of not
> being born in Yorkshire.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joe Skinner 
> Sent: 11 December 2019 11:46
> To: Richard Naef ; leeds list (
> leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
> Subject: RE: [LU] Hull
>
> The thing that seems different this season - as it's gone on - is that it
> doesn’t really matter who plays where, everyone else knows what to do and
> how.
>
> The passing was pretty terrible at times but it tires the opposition out
> mentally and physically and also I'd rather see us attempt passing than
> hoof it, although there is a time and a place. I like that they try little
> flicks and lay offs.
>
> Even when we come under pressure - last 2-3 games, say - everyone seems
> relatively comfortable, there's none of that panic we saw last season at
> times
>
> Probably uncoincidentally, the 'Keeper has improved his catching a little
> but his saves a lot more. His kicking has gone to shite but so what?
>
> Maybe no more White in midfield...
>
> Corners are terrible, stick to the short ones.
>
>
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Harrison's pass to Hernandez against Huddersfield; Couple from Alioski 
recently too.
Nick
On Wednesday, December 11, 2019, 11:17:54 AM EST, Robert Heath 
 wrote:  
 
 A propos of our passing, I have seen two passes in particular this season
that were so beautiful I would have asked them to marry me if I wasn't
already married.

1. The ball Klich played through to Bamford in the game v QPR (I
think.when he went round the keeper then got tackled brilliantly by
a defender arriving on his blindside.)
2. Pablo's pass last night to Costa.

Each one was played with delicious and perfect weight but also a fabulous
amount of curve and fade so the ball just arrived immaculately in front of
the runner.

On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 2:55 PM Richard Naef <
rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote:

> I don't know what game you were watching if what you took away for the
> performance was this report, particularly that we "hoof it!!!"
>
> 592 passes 81% completion.  I think you have to take into account the type
> of passes we are attempting, to feet or onto runners out out from the back
> under pressure, doesn't always work, but almost always it’s a positive
> pass, rather than just to get rid.
>
> And when we do mis pass, we are onto it immediately and as often as not
> recover the ball.  I just can't understand how people can slate our passing
> (terrible/shocking/woeful), but it's probably down to my misfortune of not
> being born in Yorkshire.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joe Skinner 
> Sent: 11 December 2019 11:46
> To: Richard Naef ; leeds list (
> leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
> Subject: RE: [LU] Hull
>
> The thing that seems different this season - as it's gone on - is that it
> doesn’t really matter who plays where, everyone else knows what to do and
> how.
>
> The passing was pretty terrible at times but it tires the opposition out
> mentally and physically and also I'd rather see us attempt passing than
> hoof it, although there is a time and a place. I like that they try little
> flicks and lay offs.
>
> Even when we come under pressure - last 2-3 games, say - everyone seems
> relatively comfortable, there's none of that panic we saw last season at
> times
>
> Probably uncoincidentally, the 'Keeper has improved his catching a little
> but his saves a lot more. His kicking has gone to shite but so what?
>
> Maybe no more White in midfield...
>
> Corners are terrible, stick to the short ones.
>
>
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Big thumbs up. Some of the stuff is amazing. 
Nick
On Wednesday, December 11, 2019, 11:03:33 AM EST, Richard Walker via 
Leedslist  wrote:  
 
  I get both opinions on this. 
I find myself shaking my head at times at the final pass and how we give the 
ball away cheaply but then there's other times it's breathtaking how we can 
break with pace and accuracy through crisp, quick pass and move football. 
Sometimes it's the best I've seen at Leeds for a very long time. 
and on a general note, I look forward to every Leeds game and this season more 
than any before I firmly believe we are the best team with the best style of 
play and we will get promotion. 


    On Wednesday, 11 December 2019, 15:14:19 GMT, Joe Skinner 
 wrote:  
 
 I'm not suggesting we hoof it in the slightest. In fact, the total opposite. 

The final pass is often poor and a lot of the short smaller ones go astray but 
I don't really care. I like that we play football and, more often than not, 
play it forward. I think the passes are quicker than some of the players 
physically and we are sometimes over elaborate. Again, I don't really care. It 
works. 

There's a time for long passing, in fact a few recent goals have come from 
that. It's part of the fast counter-attack.

I hate possession for possession's sake. Like the Barca of old, or Spain. We 
don’t do that. It's more of a possession with purpose. 

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Naef
Sent: 11 December 2019 13:55
To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: Re: [LU] Hull

I don't know what game you were watching if what you took away for the 
performance was this report, particularly that we "hoof it!!!" 

592 passes 81% completion.  I think you have to take into account the type of 
passes we are attempting, to feet or onto runners out out from the back under 
pressure, doesn't always work, but almost always it’s a positive pass, rather 
than just to get rid.  

And when we do mis pass, we are onto it immediately and as often as not recover 
the ball.  I just can't understand how people can slate our passing 
(terrible/shocking/woeful), but it's probably down to my misfortune of not 
being born in Yorkshire.


-Original Message-
From: Joe Skinner  
Sent: 11 December 2019 11:46
To: Richard Naef ; leeds list 
(leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: RE: [LU] Hull

The thing that seems different this season - as it's gone on - is that it 
doesn’t really matter who plays where, everyone else knows what to do and how. 

The passing was pretty terrible at times but it tires the opposition out 
mentally and physically and also I'd rather see us attempt passing than hoof 
it, although there is a time and a place. I like that they try little flicks 
and lay offs. 

Even when we come under pressure - last 2-3 games, say - everyone seems 
relatively comfortable, there's none of that panic we saw last season at times

Probably uncoincidentally, the 'Keeper has improved his catching a little but 
his saves a lot more. His kicking has gone to shite but so what?

Maybe no more White in midfield... 

Corners are terrible, stick to the short ones. 


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Re: [LU] Hull

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 I think the main issue for me is the penchant of Hernandez to try the 
hollywood pass nearly every time. Last year they were coming off, this year 
they are not and this makes him look a wasteful player or at least one who 
makes me shout at the tv. I wish he would simplify it in certain situations and 
keep possession. But his work-rate cannot be faulted. last night he was closing 
people down after 89 minutes and he is 35 years old.
Nick
On Wednesday, December 11, 2019, 08:55:22 AM EST, Richard Naef 
 wrote:  
 
 I don't know what game you were watching if what you took away for the 
performance was this report, particularly that we "hoof it!!!" 

592 passes 81% completion.  I think you have to take into account the type of 
passes we are attempting, to feet or onto runners out out from the back under 
pressure, doesn't always work, but almost always it’s a positive pass, rather 
than just to get rid.  

And when we do mis pass, we are onto it immediately and as often as not recover 
the ball.  I just can't understand how people can slate our passing 
(terrible/shocking/woeful), but it's probably down to my misfortune of not 
being born in Yorkshire.


-Original Message-
From: Joe Skinner  
Sent: 11 December 2019 11:46
To: Richard Naef ; leeds list 
(leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: RE: [LU] Hull

The thing that seems different this season - as it's gone on - is that it 
doesn’t really matter who plays where, everyone else knows what to do and how. 

The passing was pretty terrible at times but it tires the opposition out 
mentally and physically and also I'd rather see us attempt passing than hoof 
it, although there is a time and a place. I like that they try little flicks 
and lay offs. 

Even when we come under pressure - last 2-3 games, say - everyone seems 
relatively comfortable, there's none of that panic we saw last season at times

Probably uncoincidentally, the 'Keeper has improved his catching a little but 
his saves a lot more. His kicking has gone to shite but so what?

Maybe no more White in midfield... 

Corners are terrible, stick to the short ones. 


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Re: [LU] Hull

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Richard,
Harrison has been directly involved in 9 goals this season. Plus he has laid on 
at least three I think that have been ruled offside. Clearly an effective 
player at the moment.
Nick
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On Wednesday, December 11, 2019, 07:31:51 AM EST, Richard Walker via 
Leedslist  wrote:  
 
  Pablo has been poor by his own standards for a while and I have slated him in 
just about every match report for the last 12 months for his poor passing. 
However, there's one thing you can never level at Pablo is his energy levels 
and his willingness to get on the ball and try things. Despite many poor 
touches and passes last night he played the pass of the game to play Costa in 
for the goal and played some good crosses which caused them probelms. 
Yes Harrison has done ok and he's got skill and control a ball but playing on 
the left wing when 9 out of 10 of your crosses hit the first man and 90% of 
your attempts to skin the defender end in failure is just not good enough in my 
opinion. 
Klich - he's a runner, no doubt about that and crucial to the team. Maybe he 
should have had a 7. 
Allioski should be playing in my opinion. 
    On Wednesday, 11 December 2019, 11:31:38 GMT, Peter Castlehouse 
 wrote:  
 
 I think Richard has spent too much time on the Beaujolais pre-match to 
effectively rationalise the game.  
Pablo had his worst game all season, was second last in the running for all 
available balls, and should have been subbed off at half time!    
As for Harrison, he's provided the assist for many of our goals this season and 
he didn't get any feed from Pablo - Coincidence?
Klich - "Lots of running, but little end product". apart from sprinting 80 
yards down the field, putting in a superlative pass into the penalty area, 
which whilst not ending in a direct goal, the ball managed to hobble to Gianni 
Peppa Pig Alioski who buried it!

OzPete
T'original one


-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Walker via 
Leedslist
Sent: Wednesday, 11 December 2019 10:20 PM
To: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: [LU] Hull

This match took a similar pattern to a lot of recent matches in that we had all 
the possession but failed to convert due to terrible final balls particularly 
on the right side. I thought Hull liked lively especially for 15 minutes in the 
2nd half when I think they took control but we managed to limit them to a few 
chances. Here's my scores:
Kiko - 8. You've got to hand it to the lad he's put last season behind him and 
now looks the part. Point blank saves to keep us in front in the last two 
games. Ayling - 7. Having suggesting dropping him in place of Dallas on the 
right, I have to admit he's played really soldidly recently and actually looked 
good going forward. Berardi -9. I thought that was possibly his best game for 
Leeds. First to every ball and didn't give their guys a kick at times.
White - 8. Solid as usual against tricky Hull attackers. Dallas - 8. 
Defensively did well. Philips - 7. Some good work. Got caught in possession 
once first half but got away with it. Hernandez - 7. Great pass to Costa for 
the goal and he was busy as usual. There was also a fair number of passes that 
went astray as usual. I like his corners better than Philips. Costa - 7. Looks 
lively and I like the way he moves across the grass and creates space. Needs an 
end product though and by that I don't mean a deflected OG Harrison - 5. Ok, 
I'm going to be slightly controversial here and say I don't think this lad is 
good enough. His final ball nearly always disappoints (ok not always e.g. 
Huddersfield) but he usually fails to find a white shirt. He also rarely beats 
his man. Bamford - 6. Worked hard but should have scored. Klich - 6. Lots of 
running but little end product.
Subs:
Allioski -9. Superb. I think he's a great little player and his crossing is so 
much better than Harrisons. 
 


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Re: [LU] Hull

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Harrison set up the mistakenly and biased offside decision.
On Wednesday, December 11, 2019, 06:38:05 AM EST, Richard Naef 
 wrote:  
 
 > Klich - 6. Lots of running but little end product.  

Apart for the 80 yrd run for the 2nd goal.

>  Berardi -9. I thought that was possibly his best game for Leeds. First to 
>every ball and didn't give their guys a > kick at times.

Obvs agree, the thing is he's a little lad, but can out jump someone 6 inches 
taller. 100% committent, 100% Leeds, 100% improved.

> Harrison - 5. Ok, I'm going to be slightly controversial here and say I don't 
> think this lad is good enough. His final >ball nearly always disappoints (ok 
> not always e.g. Huddersfield) but he usually fails to find a white shirt. He 
> also >rarely beats his man.

Very harsh, I think he's a very good trapper of the ball and a decent crosser 
and dribbler, again he's improved this season and it's a toss up between him 
and Alioski.

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Walker via 
Leedslist
Sent: 11 December 2019 11:20
To: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: [LU] Hull

This match took a similar pattern to a lot of recent matches in that we had all 
the possession but failed to convert due to terrible final balls particularly 
on the right side. I thought Hull liked lively especially for 15 minutes in the 
2nd half when I think they took control but we managed to limit them to a few 
chances. Here's my scores:
Kiko - 8. You've got to hand it to the lad he's put last season behind him and 
now looks the part. Point blank saves to keep us in front in the last two 
games. Ayling - 7. Having suggesting dropping him in place of Dallas on the 
right, I have to admit he's played really soldidly recently and actually looked 
good going forward. Berardi -9. I thought that was possibly his best game for 
Leeds. First to every ball and didn't give their guys a kick at times.
White - 8. Solid as usual against tricky Hull attackers. Dallas - 8. 
Defensively did well. Philips - 7. Some good work. Got caught in possession 
once first half but got away with it. Hernandez - 7. Great pass to Costa for 
the goal and he was busy as usual. There was also a fair number of passes that 
went astray as usual. I like his corners better than Philips. Costa - 7. Looks 
lively and I like the way he moves across the grass and creates space. Needs an 
end product though and by that I don't mean a deflected OG Harrison - 5. Ok, 
I'm going to be slightly controversial here and say I don't think this lad is 
good enough. His final ball nearly always disappoints (ok not always e.g. 
Huddersfield) but he usually fails to find a white shirt. He also rarely beats 
his man. Bamford - 6. Worked hard but should have scored. Klich - 6. Lots of 
running but little end product.
Subs:
Allioski -9. Superb. I think he's a great little player and his crossing is so 
much better than Harrisons. 
 


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Re: [LU] Hull

[Robert Heath]

A propos of our passing, I have seen two passes in particular this season
that were so beautiful I would have asked them to marry me if I wasn't
already married.

1. The ball Klich played through to Bamford in the game v QPR (I
think.when he went round the keeper then got tackled brilliantly by
a defender arriving on his blindside.)
2. Pablo's pass last night to Costa.

Each one was played with delicious and perfect weight but also a fabulous
amount of curve and fade so the ball just arrived immaculately in front of
the runner.

On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 2:55 PM Richard Naef <
rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote:

> I don't know what game you were watching if what you took away for the
> performance was this report, particularly that we "hoof it!!!"
>
> 592 passes 81% completion.  I think you have to take into account the type
> of passes we are attempting, to feet or onto runners out out from the back
> under pressure, doesn't always work, but almost always it’s a positive
> pass, rather than just to get rid.
>
> And when we do mis pass, we are onto it immediately and as often as not
> recover the ball.  I just can't understand how people can slate our passing
> (terrible/shocking/woeful), but it's probably down to my misfortune of not
> being born in Yorkshire.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joe Skinner 
> Sent: 11 December 2019 11:46
> To: Richard Naef ; leeds list (
> leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
> Subject: RE: [LU] Hull
>
> The thing that seems different this season - as it's gone on - is that it
> doesn’t really matter who plays where, everyone else knows what to do and
> how.
>
> The passing was pretty terrible at times but it tires the opposition out
> mentally and physically and also I'd rather see us attempt passing than
> hoof it, although there is a time and a place. I like that they try little
> flicks and lay offs.
>
> Even when we come under pressure - last 2-3 games, say - everyone seems
> relatively comfortable, there's none of that panic we saw last season at
> times
>
> Probably uncoincidentally, the 'Keeper has improved his catching a little
> but his saves a lot more. His kicking has gone to shite but so what?
>
> Maybe no more White in midfield...
>
> Corners are terrible, stick to the short ones.
>
>
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 I get both opinions on this. 
I find myself shaking my head at times at the final pass and how we give the 
ball away cheaply but then there's other times it's breathtaking how we can 
break with pace and accuracy through crisp, quick pass and move football. 
Sometimes it's the best I've seen at Leeds for a very long time. 
and on a general note, I look forward to every Leeds game and this season more 
than any before I firmly believe we are the best team with the best style of 
play and we will get promotion. 


On Wednesday, 11 December 2019, 15:14:19 GMT, Joe Skinner 
 wrote:  
 
 I'm not suggesting we hoof it in the slightest. In fact, the total opposite. 

The final pass is often poor and a lot of the short smaller ones go astray but 
I don't really care. I like that we play football and, more often than not, 
play it forward. I think the passes are quicker than some of the players 
physically and we are sometimes over elaborate. Again, I don't really care. It 
works. 

There's a time for long passing, in fact a few recent goals have come from 
that. It's part of the fast counter-attack.

I hate possession for possession's sake. Like the Barca of old, or Spain. We 
don’t do that. It's more of a possession with purpose. 

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Naef
Sent: 11 December 2019 13:55
To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: Re: [LU] Hull

I don't know what game you were watching if what you took away for the 
performance was this report, particularly that we "hoof it!!!" 

592 passes 81% completion.  I think you have to take into account the type of 
passes we are attempting, to feet or onto runners out out from the back under 
pressure, doesn't always work, but almost always it’s a positive pass, rather 
than just to get rid.  

And when we do mis pass, we are onto it immediately and as often as not recover 
the ball.  I just can't understand how people can slate our passing 
(terrible/shocking/woeful), but it's probably down to my misfortune of not 
being born in Yorkshire.


-Original Message-
From: Joe Skinner  
Sent: 11 December 2019 11:46
To: Richard Naef ; leeds list 
(leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: RE: [LU] Hull

The thing that seems different this season - as it's gone on - is that it 
doesn’t really matter who plays where, everyone else knows what to do and how. 

The passing was pretty terrible at times but it tires the opposition out 
mentally and physically and also I'd rather see us attempt passing than hoof 
it, although there is a time and a place. I like that they try little flicks 
and lay offs. 

Even when we come under pressure - last 2-3 games, say - everyone seems 
relatively comfortable, there's none of that panic we saw last season at times

Probably uncoincidentally, the 'Keeper has improved his catching a little but 
his saves a lot more. His kicking has gone to shite but so what?

Maybe no more White in midfield... 

Corners are terrible, stick to the short ones. 


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Re: [LU] Hull

[Richard Naef]

OK, I was confused by you saying

"The passing was pretty terrible at times but it tires the opposition out 
mentally and physically and also I'd rather see us attempt passing than hoof "

Which I read to mean  our passing is terrible at times and you'd rather we 
passed than hoofed.

-Original Message-
From: Joe Skinner  
Sent: 11 December 2019 15:14
To: Richard Naef ; leeds list 
(leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: RE: [LU] Hull

I'm not suggesting we hoof it in the slightest. In fact, the total opposite. 

The final pass is often poor and a lot of the short smaller ones go astray but 
I don't really care. I like that we play football and, more often than not, 
play it forward. I think the passes are quicker than some of the players 
physically and we are sometimes over elaborate. Again, I don't really care. It 
works. 

There's a time for long passing, in fact a few recent goals have come from 
that. It's part of the fast counter-attack.

I hate possession for possession's sake. Like the Barca of old, or Spain. We 
don’t do that. It's more of a possession with purpose. 

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Naef
Sent: 11 December 2019 13:55
To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: Re: [LU] Hull

I don't know what game you were watching if what you took away for the 
performance was this report, particularly that we "hoof it!!!" 

592 passes 81% completion.  I think you have to take into account the type of 
passes we are attempting, to feet or onto runners out out from the back under 
pressure, doesn't always work, but almost always it’s a positive pass, rather 
than just to get rid.  

And when we do mis pass, we are onto it immediately and as often as not recover 
the ball.  I just can't understand how people can slate our passing 
(terrible/shocking/woeful), but it's probably down to my misfortune of not 
being born in Yorkshire.


-Original Message-
From: Joe Skinner  
Sent: 11 December 2019 11:46
To: Richard Naef ; leeds list 
(leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: RE: [LU] Hull

The thing that seems different this season - as it's gone on - is that it 
doesn’t really matter who plays where, everyone else knows what to do and how. 

The passing was pretty terrible at times but it tires the opposition out 
mentally and physically and also I'd rather see us attempt passing than hoof 
it, although there is a time and a place. I like that they try little flicks 
and lay offs. 

Even when we come under pressure - last 2-3 games, say - everyone seems 
relatively comfortable, there's none of that panic we saw last season at times

Probably uncoincidentally, the 'Keeper has improved his catching a little but 
his saves a lot more. His kicking has gone to shite but so what?

Maybe no more White in midfield... 

Corners are terrible, stick to the short ones. 


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Re: [LU] Hull

[Joe Skinner]

I'm not suggesting we hoof it in the slightest. In fact, the total opposite. 

The final pass is often poor and a lot of the short smaller ones go astray but 
I don't really care. I like that we play football and, more often than not, 
play it forward. I think the passes are quicker than some of the players 
physically and we are sometimes over elaborate. Again, I don't really care. It 
works. 

There's a time for long passing, in fact a few recent goals have come from 
that. It's part of the fast counter-attack.

I hate possession for possession's sake. Like the Barca of old, or Spain. We 
don’t do that. It's more of a possession with purpose. 

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Naef
Sent: 11 December 2019 13:55
To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: Re: [LU] Hull

I don't know what game you were watching if what you took away for the 
performance was this report, particularly that we "hoof it!!!" 

592 passes 81% completion.  I think you have to take into account the type of 
passes we are attempting, to feet or onto runners out out from the back under 
pressure, doesn't always work, but almost always it’s a positive pass, rather 
than just to get rid.  

And when we do mis pass, we are onto it immediately and as often as not recover 
the ball.  I just can't understand how people can slate our passing 
(terrible/shocking/woeful), but it's probably down to my misfortune of not 
being born in Yorkshire.


-Original Message-
From: Joe Skinner  
Sent: 11 December 2019 11:46
To: Richard Naef ; leeds list 
(leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: RE: [LU] Hull

The thing that seems different this season - as it's gone on - is that it 
doesn’t really matter who plays where, everyone else knows what to do and how. 

The passing was pretty terrible at times but it tires the opposition out 
mentally and physically and also I'd rather see us attempt passing than hoof 
it, although there is a time and a place. I like that they try little flicks 
and lay offs. 

Even when we come under pressure - last 2-3 games, say - everyone seems 
relatively comfortable, there's none of that panic we saw last season at times

Probably uncoincidentally, the 'Keeper has improved his catching a little but 
his saves a lot more. His kicking has gone to shite but so what?

Maybe no more White in midfield... 

Corners are terrible, stick to the short ones. 


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Re: [LU] Hull

[Richard Naef]

Pete,

You've been away from t'gods own country too long mate, your starting to look 
on the positive side of things, get thee back lad!

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Peter Castlehouse
Sent: 11 December 2019 11:31
To: 'Richard Walker' ; leedslist 
Subject: Re: [LU] Hull

I think Richard has spent too much time on the Beaujolais pre-match to 
effectively rationalise the game.   
Pablo had his worst game all season, was second last in the running for all 
available balls, and should have been subbed off at half time!
As for Harrison, he's provided the assist for many of our goals this season and 
he didn't get any feed from Pablo - Coincidence?
Klich - "Lots of running, but little end product". apart from sprinting 80 
yards down the field, putting in a superlative pass into the penalty area, 
which whilst not ending in a direct goal, the ball managed to hobble to Gianni 
Peppa Pig Alioski who buried it!

OzPete
T'original one



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Re: [LU] Hull

[Richard Naef]

I don't know what game you were watching if what you took away for the 
performance was this report, particularly that we "hoof it!!!" 

592 passes 81% completion.  I think you have to take into account the type of 
passes we are attempting, to feet or onto runners out out from the back under 
pressure, doesn't always work, but almost always it’s a positive pass, rather 
than just to get rid.  

And when we do mis pass, we are onto it immediately and as often as not recover 
the ball.  I just can't understand how people can slate our passing 
(terrible/shocking/woeful), but it's probably down to my misfortune of not 
being born in Yorkshire.


-Original Message-
From: Joe Skinner  
Sent: 11 December 2019 11:46
To: Richard Naef ; leeds list 
(leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: RE: [LU] Hull

The thing that seems different this season - as it's gone on - is that it 
doesn’t really matter who plays where, everyone else knows what to do and how. 

The passing was pretty terrible at times but it tires the opposition out 
mentally and physically and also I'd rather see us attempt passing than hoof 
it, although there is a time and a place. I like that they try little flicks 
and lay offs. 

Even when we come under pressure - last 2-3 games, say - everyone seems 
relatively comfortable, there's none of that panic we saw last season at times

Probably uncoincidentally, the 'Keeper has improved his catching a little but 
his saves a lot more. His kicking has gone to shite but so what?

Maybe no more White in midfield... 

Corners are terrible, stick to the short ones. 


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Re: [LU] Hull

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 Pablo has been poor by his own standards for a while and I have slated him in 
just about every match report for the last 12 months for his poor passing. 
However, there's one thing you can never level at Pablo is his energy levels 
and his willingness to get on the ball and try things. Despite many poor 
touches and passes last night he played the pass of the game to play Costa in 
for the goal and played some good crosses which caused them probelms. 
Yes Harrison has done ok and he's got skill and control a ball but playing on 
the left wing when 9 out of 10 of your crosses hit the first man and 90% of 
your attempts to skin the defender end in failure is just not good enough in my 
opinion. 
Klich - he's a runner, no doubt about that and crucial to the team. Maybe he 
should have had a 7. 
Allioski should be playing in my opinion. 
On Wednesday, 11 December 2019, 11:31:38 GMT, Peter Castlehouse 
 wrote:  
 
 I think Richard has spent too much time on the Beaujolais pre-match to 
effectively rationalise the game.  
Pablo had his worst game all season, was second last in the running for all 
available balls, and should have been subbed off at half time!    
As for Harrison, he's provided the assist for many of our goals this season and 
he didn't get any feed from Pablo - Coincidence?
Klich - "Lots of running, but little end product". apart from sprinting 80 
yards down the field, putting in a superlative pass into the penalty area, 
which whilst not ending in a direct goal, the ball managed to hobble to Gianni 
Peppa Pig Alioski who buried it!

OzPete
T'original one


-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Walker via 
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Sent: Wednesday, 11 December 2019 10:20 PM
To: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: [LU] Hull

This match took a similar pattern to a lot of recent matches in that we had all 
the possession but failed to convert due to terrible final balls particularly 
on the right side. I thought Hull liked lively especially for 15 minutes in the 
2nd half when I think they took control but we managed to limit them to a few 
chances. Here's my scores:
Kiko - 8. You've got to hand it to the lad he's put last season behind him and 
now looks the part. Point blank saves to keep us in front in the last two 
games. Ayling - 7. Having suggesting dropping him in place of Dallas on the 
right, I have to admit he's played really soldidly recently and actually looked 
good going forward. Berardi -9. I thought that was possibly his best game for 
Leeds. First to every ball and didn't give their guys a kick at times.
White - 8. Solid as usual against tricky Hull attackers. Dallas - 8. 
Defensively did well. Philips - 7. Some good work. Got caught in possession 
once first half but got away with it. Hernandez - 7. Great pass to Costa for 
the goal and he was busy as usual. There was also a fair number of passes that 
went astray as usual. I like his corners better than Philips. Costa - 7. Looks 
lively and I like the way he moves across the grass and creates space. Needs an 
end product though and by that I don't mean a deflected OG Harrison - 5. Ok, 
I'm going to be slightly controversial here and say I don't think this lad is 
good enough. His final ball nearly always disappoints (ok not always e.g. 
Huddersfield) but he usually fails to find a white shirt. He also rarely beats 
his man. Bamford - 6. Worked hard but should have scored. Klich - 6. Lots of 
running but little end product.
Subs:
Allioski -9. Superb. I think he's a great little player and his crossing is so 
much better than Harrisons. 
 


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Re: [LU] Hull

[Joe Skinner]

The thing that seems different this season - as it's gone on - is that it 
doesn’t really matter who plays where, everyone else knows what to do and how. 

The passing was pretty terrible at times but it tires the opposition out 
mentally and physically and also I'd rather see us attempt passing than hoof 
it, although there is a time and a place. I like that they try little flicks 
and lay offs. 

Even when we come under pressure - last 2-3 games, say - everyone seems 
relatively comfortable, there's none of that panic we saw last season at times

Probably uncoincidentally, the 'Keeper has improved his catching a little but 
his saves a lot more. His kicking has gone to shite but so what?

Maybe no more White in midfield... 

Corners are terrible, stick to the short ones. 

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Naef
Sent: 11 December 2019 11:38
To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: Re: [LU] Hull

> Klich - 6. Lots of running but little end product.  

Apart for the 80 yrd run for the 2nd goal.

>  Berardi -9. I thought that was possibly his best game for Leeds. First to 
> every ball and didn't give their guys a > kick at times.

Obvs agree, the thing is he's a little lad, but can out jump someone 6 inches 
taller. 100% committent, 100% Leeds, 100% improved.

> Harrison - 5. Ok, I'm going to be slightly controversial here and say I don't 
> think this lad is good enough. His final >ball nearly always disappoints (ok 
> not always e.g. Huddersfield) but he usually fails to find a white shirt. He 
> also >rarely beats his man.

Very harsh, I think he's a very good trapper of the ball and a decent crosser 
and dribbler, again he's improved this season and it's a toss up between him 
and Alioski.

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Walker via 
Leedslist
Sent: 11 December 2019 11:20
To: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: [LU] Hull

This match took a similar pattern to a lot of recent matches in that we had all 
the possession but failed to convert due to terrible final balls particularly 
on the right side. I thought Hull liked lively especially for 15 minutes in the 
2nd half when I think they took control but we managed to limit them to a few 
chances. Here's my scores:
Kiko - 8. You've got to hand it to the lad he's put last season behind him and 
now looks the part. Point blank saves to keep us in front in the last two 
games. Ayling - 7. Having suggesting dropping him in place of Dallas on the 
right, I have to admit he's played really soldidly recently and actually looked 
good going forward. Berardi -9. I thought that was possibly his best game for 
Leeds. First to every ball and didn't give their guys a kick at times.
White - 8. Solid as usual against tricky Hull attackers. Dallas - 8. 
Defensively did well. Philips - 7. Some good work. Got caught in possession 
once first half but got away with it. Hernandez - 7. Great pass to Costa for 
the goal and he was busy as usual. There was also a fair number of passes that 
went astray as usual. I like his corners better than Philips. Costa - 7. Looks 
lively and I like the way he moves across the grass and creates space. Needs an 
end product though and by that I don't mean a deflected OG Harrison - 5. Ok, 
I'm going to be slightly controversial here and say I don't think this lad is 
good enough. His final ball nearly always disappoints (ok not always e.g. 
Huddersfield) but he usually fails to find a white shirt. He also rarely beats 
his man. Bamford - 6. Worked hard but should have scored. Klich - 6. Lots of 
running but little end product.
Subs:
Allioski -9. Superb. I think he's a great little player and his crossing is so 
much better than Harrisons. 
 


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Re: [LU] Hull

[Richard Naef]

> Klich - 6. Lots of running but little end product.  

Apart for the 80 yrd run for the 2nd goal.

>  Berardi -9. I thought that was possibly his best game for Leeds. First to 
> every ball and didn't give their guys a > kick at times.

Obvs agree, the thing is he's a little lad, but can out jump someone 6 inches 
taller. 100% committent, 100% Leeds, 100% improved.

> Harrison - 5. Ok, I'm going to be slightly controversial here and say I don't 
> think this lad is good enough. His final >ball nearly always disappoints (ok 
> not always e.g. Huddersfield) but he usually fails to find a white shirt. He 
> also >rarely beats his man.

Very harsh, I think he's a very good trapper of the ball and a decent crosser 
and dribbler, again he's improved this season and it's a toss up between him 
and Alioski.

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Walker via 
Leedslist
Sent: 11 December 2019 11:20
To: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: [LU] Hull

This match took a similar pattern to a lot of recent matches in that we had all 
the possession but failed to convert due to terrible final balls particularly 
on the right side. I thought Hull liked lively especially for 15 minutes in the 
2nd half when I think they took control but we managed to limit them to a few 
chances. Here's my scores:
Kiko - 8. You've got to hand it to the lad he's put last season behind him and 
now looks the part. Point blank saves to keep us in front in the last two 
games. Ayling - 7. Having suggesting dropping him in place of Dallas on the 
right, I have to admit he's played really soldidly recently and actually looked 
good going forward. Berardi -9. I thought that was possibly his best game for 
Leeds. First to every ball and didn't give their guys a kick at times.
White - 8. Solid as usual against tricky Hull attackers. Dallas - 8. 
Defensively did well. Philips - 7. Some good work. Got caught in possession 
once first half but got away with it. Hernandez - 7. Great pass to Costa for 
the goal and he was busy as usual. There was also a fair number of passes that 
went astray as usual. I like his corners better than Philips. Costa - 7. Looks 
lively and I like the way he moves across the grass and creates space. Needs an 
end product though and by that I don't mean a deflected OG Harrison - 5. Ok, 
I'm going to be slightly controversial here and say I don't think this lad is 
good enough. His final ball nearly always disappoints (ok not always e.g. 
Huddersfield) but he usually fails to find a white shirt. He also rarely beats 
his man. Bamford - 6. Worked hard but should have scored. Klich - 6. Lots of 
running but little end product.
Subs:
Allioski -9. Superb. I think he's a great little player and his crossing is so 
much better than Harrisons. 
 


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Re: [LU] Hull

[Peter Castlehouse]

I think Richard has spent too much time on the Beaujolais pre-match to 
effectively rationalise the game.   
Pablo had his worst game all season, was second last in the running for all 
available balls, and should have been subbed off at half time!
As for Harrison, he's provided the assist for many of our goals this season and 
he didn't get any feed from Pablo - Coincidence?
Klich - "Lots of running, but little end product". apart from sprinting 80 
yards down the field, putting in a superlative pass into the penalty area, 
which whilst not ending in a direct goal, the ball managed to hobble to Gianni 
Peppa Pig Alioski who buried it!

OzPete
T'original one


-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Walker via 
Leedslist
Sent: Wednesday, 11 December 2019 10:20 PM
To: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: [LU] Hull

This match took a similar pattern to a lot of recent matches in that we had all 
the possession but failed to convert due to terrible final balls particularly 
on the right side. I thought Hull liked lively especially for 15 minutes in the 
2nd half when I think they took control but we managed to limit them to a few 
chances. Here's my scores:
Kiko - 8. You've got to hand it to the lad he's put last season behind him and 
now looks the part. Point blank saves to keep us in front in the last two 
games. Ayling - 7. Having suggesting dropping him in place of Dallas on the 
right, I have to admit he's played really soldidly recently and actually looked 
good going forward. Berardi -9. I thought that was possibly his best game for 
Leeds. First to every ball and didn't give their guys a kick at times.
White - 8. Solid as usual against tricky Hull attackers. Dallas - 8. 
Defensively did well. Philips - 7. Some good work. Got caught in possession 
once first half but got away with it. Hernandez - 7. Great pass to Costa for 
the goal and he was busy as usual. There was also a fair number of passes that 
went astray as usual. I like his corners better than Philips. Costa - 7. Looks 
lively and I like the way he moves across the grass and creates space. Needs an 
end product though and by that I don't mean a deflected OG Harrison - 5. Ok, 
I'm going to be slightly controversial here and say I don't think this lad is 
good enough. His final ball nearly always disappoints (ok not always e.g. 
Huddersfield) but he usually fails to find a white shirt. He also rarely beats 
his man. Bamford - 6. Worked hard but should have scored. Klich - 6. Lots of 
running but little end product.
Subs:
Allioski -9. Superb. I think he's a great little player and his crossing is so 
much better than Harrisons. 
 


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Re: [LU] Hull

[Michael Benjamin]

Fabulous report
Thanks

Dr. Michael Benjamin


From: Leedslist  on behalf of nat...@sky.com 

Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 9:51:03 AM
To: leeds list 
Subject: [LU] Hull

Well if you thought the breakaway goal v huddersfield was fast wait till you 
see our 2nd today - pure footballing magic.
Despite leaving Moot Hall (ex Prince of Wales) at 7.15 the traffic managed to 
conspire to make me 1p minutes late - the latest I can ever remember me being 
in 40 plus seasons .According to my mate hull had started brightly and were 
going for it. By the time i got in we were starting to take a measure of 
control and without looking dangerous we played some lovely pass and move 
football.  There is am  air of confidence flowing through this team. No better 
shown than when Ayling made a lovely interception inside our box but rather 
than hoof it clear he controlled it and played a little one two inside our area 
- great stuff. Yes some of our passing was poor but for the most part we looked 
a good side
The only  real chance  of the half was a curler by Pablo that failed to curl 
quite enough and went past the post.So an fairly uneventful but enjoyable half 
ended 0 0.
Second half started in the same vein but suddenly Hull decided to give it a go 
and caused us a few problems with kiko twice being called into action.
Then came the first of 3 moves, very similar in style , the first unlucky, the 
second  lucky and the red just sublime.
First Kiko caught a cross ( something he is doing a lot of) he rolled it out 
and pablo, Costa and Ayling all had a touch before the ball was played across 
field to Harrison , his cross was turned into the net by Costa but the flag was 
up for a (dubious looking) offside
2nd - Kiko caught a cross rolled it to Ayling who p,ayed it forward to Pablo 
who played an equisite ball beyond the defender to the onrushing Costa, he 
crossed towards Bamford but the full back threw himself at the ball to block 
the cross and deflected it in. A good move by us but a lucky result
The 3rd and most magical  - they had a corner, the Hull player met the cross 
well and did everything right heading it down and with power. Kiko made a 
brilliant save on the line with Bamford almost getting in his way , kiko held 
the ball and Bamfords feet. The ball was pushed to White ?  who fed Klich who 
ran from the edge of our box to the edge of theirs , and I mean ran. He then 
picked out a lovely cross that Costa left for Bamford who had also run the 
length of the pitch and met it well  how great it would have been
If that had gone in, instead it hit the I side of the post and came out to 
Alioski who fired ho e from a very tight angle.  Absolutely  brilliant stuff, 
talk about end to end
We then basically saw out the rest of the game including  6 extra minutes and a 
debut for Struik
Another 3 points, another wonderful breakaway goal  , another clean sheet and 
results elsewhere went kur way. What a night
Special mentions to Bamford fir his work rate,  Costa for how dangerous he is 
now looking and kiko who now looks like a Real Madrid keeper. When the second d 
went in it was kiko whose name the crowd chanted and Dallas ( who also did 
well) ran back from their half to celebrate with him and praise him for his 
amazing save
If you watch one minute of football this season make it the minute from where  
they take the corner ! It was that good
Finally well done again to Berra , lots of fans worry about him but he was part 
of another clean sheet
Too soon  to count chickens but this is are looking good, let's con9our run and 
beat Cardiff on Saturday
DaveSent from Sky Yahoo Mail on Android
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Richard Naef]

Back at yer ;)

Sent from my mobile


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Walker via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 8:43:08 PM
To: nat...@sky.com
Cc: Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Hull

I am had pissed but I'd say this result has been coming and whilst late time 
winners are very exciting and welcome we are conceding goals for fun and the 
main reAson for that is we've got an average midfielder playing centre back and 
a young keeper who is doing ok but is not yet worthy of a promotion winning 
team ( think Mervyn Day).

Why the fuck do with think Harrison is worth a start? Must be in his contract , 
there can be no other explanation

Roofe - 13 goals, fu king great, performed beyond all expectation but nobody 
can convince me that he can be a lone striker in a championship promotion team. 
It ain't gonna happen

Happy new year to you all, you cunts,


> On 29 Dec 2018, at 20:21, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
>
> Got to keep it short cos I am off on hols later on
> All good things come to an end and so our 7 match winning streak was finished 
> today at the hands of Hull
> Having said that we had enough chances etc to have added this one to our 
> winning run - they cleared 2 shots off the line and their keeper made one 
> great save, but it was one of those days when things just would not fall our 
> way and things were just that bit off
> Hull had a game plan that worked well for them - sit back and defend and then 
> hit us on the break and they got that bit of luck that they deserved - a 
> scramble in our goal mouth led to the first, the second a good save by BPF 
> fell to their lad who fired home, That apart Hull did nothing in our half bar 
> one cross that went dangerously across our box
> For those who dont get to watch the games, no cause for panic we will play 
> worse than this and win in the future
> Onwards and upwards - 4 defeats now (Wolves lost 7 and won the league at a 
> canter last season) Norwich also lost at home and WBA only got a point so not 
> much damage doneDave(Back for Derby game)
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

I am had pissed but I'd say this result has been coming and whilst late time 
winners are very exciting and welcome we are conceding goals for fun and the 
main reAson for that is we've got an average midfielder playing centre back and 
a young keeper who is doing ok but is not yet worthy of a promotion winning 
team ( think Mervyn Day). 

Why the fuck do with think Harrison is worth a start? Must be in his contract , 
there can be no other explanation 

Roofe - 13 goals, fu king great, performed beyond all expectation but nobody 
can convince me that he can be a lone striker in a championship promotion team. 
It ain't gonna happen 

Happy new year to you all, you cunts,


> On 29 Dec 2018, at 20:21, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> Got to keep it short cos I am off on hols later on
> All good things come to an end and so our 7 match winning streak was finished 
> today at the hands of Hull
> Having said that we had enough chances etc to have added this one to our 
> winning run - they cleared 2 shots off the line and their keeper made one 
> great save, but it was one of those days when things just would not fall our 
> way and things were just that bit off
> Hull had a game plan that worked well for them - sit back and defend and then 
> hit us on the break and they got that bit of luck that they deserved - a 
> scramble in our goal mouth led to the first, the second a good save by BPF 
> fell to their lad who fired home, That apart Hull did nothing in our half bar 
> one cross that went dangerously across our box
> For those who dont get to watch the games, no cause for panic we will play 
> worse than this and win in the future
> Onwards and upwards - 4 defeats now (Wolves lost 7 and won the league at a 
> canter last season) Norwich also lost at home and WBA only got a point so not 
> much damage doneDave(Back for Derby game)
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Re: [LU] Hull

[{broken-address}]

Funny what we see, as I thought Phillips had a decent>good game. Ayling’s 
passing, particularly early in games, is shocking though. I thought it was a 6 
out of 10 watch - started ok but so many misplaced passes and poor finishing 
meant it had that frustrating feel about it from very early on, and aside from 
Roberts’ shot we were very poor in front of goal/final third.

Still top though :-)

Sent from my iPad

> On 3 Oct 2018, at 09:25, Richard Naef  wrote:
> 
> Agree Hull were poor and it was one of our least impressive performances, BUT 
> We were a million times better than the same fixture last season and our pass 
> completion was still 82%.  Players got in great positions let down a by their 
> last touch.  The passing that failed was generally adventurous.  22 points 
> from 11 games, top of the league, proper manager at last. Excited? Not much!
> 
> Sent from my mobile
> 
> 
> From: Richard Walker 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 9:56:24 PM
> To: Richard Naef; Leeds List
> Subject: Re: [LU] Hull
> 
> No I think some of the passing and play was bloody awful. We were by far the 
> better side throughout in a poor game but it took a great strike from Tyler 
> Roberts to win it.
> 
> Hull were the worst team we've played this season.
> 
> My Scores:
> 
> Peacock - 7 didn't have much to do. Collected a cross confidently late on 
> plus got his legs in the way in a late scramble as we panicked Milwall style 
> late on.
> 
> Ayling - 5. First half was his worst of the season and he's getting a rep for 
> starting very slowly. His passing was off and he should have had a goal.
> 
> Douglas - 7. I thought he was solid throughout. Hope his injury isn't bad.
> 
> Cooper - 7. Nearly one fuck up with Peacock first half but in general not 
> troubled apart from a couple of crosses.
> 
> Jansson - 8. Our best defender. I wish he wouldn't feign injury though.
> 
> Siaz - 7. Did ok but again a yard short to really hurt them.
> 
> Kilch - 8. I thought he was consistent throughout and was still chasing down 
> the ball in injury time.
> 
> Philips - 5. On the occassions Hull broke from midfield they left him for 
> dead. He's just playing as a luxury, additional defender.
> 
> Allioski - 2. Apart from run round and cause a bit of chaos I thought he was 
> incredibly poor. He's not a left winger. Should have scored first half.
> 
> Harrison - 4. Didn't really contribute first half. Second half a couple of 
> decent crosses and link up play but overall disappointing.
> 
> Roberts - 7. I like Roberts, he runs around a lot, he closes down, he's got 
> good control and can link up well (see his deft lay off for Allioski's chance 
> first half). His goal was a great strike and I get the impression that goals 
> like this will be more common than the 2 yard tap-ins. My only criticism is 
> that he looks a little casual at times and he gave the ball away cheaply at 
> times.
> 
> Subs:
> 
> Dallas - came on at right wing but then had to go to left back when Douglas 
> got injured. Did ok.
> 
> Forshaw - tidy with a few mistakes. Rather than look at Forshaw as a 
> replacement for Siaz I'd play him instead of Philips. Offers much more.
> 
> It's a good win and we're top but I don't think this starting 11 will get 
> promotion. With Hernandez back and a decent winger I think we're top 6.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Richard Naef 
> To: Richard Walker ; Leeds List 
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2018, 21:05
> Subject: RE: [LU] Hull
> 
> I think bloody awful is a bit harsh, even when it doesn't come off they are 
> still trying, surely an improvement over pretty much any team we've in the 
> last 10 years.  Player tracking back, looking for a forward attacking pass 
> rather than just lumping it.
> 
> ttfn
> 
> Richard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist 
> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On Behalf 
> Of {broken-address} Richard Walker
> Sent: 02 October 2018 20:37
> To: Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Subject: [LU] Hull
> 
> Watching on LUTV - when the passing game comes off it looks great (Sheffield 
> Wed) when it doesn’t it’s bloody awful.
> 
> Tonight so far has been pretty awful. The passing from Ayling and Allioski 
> has been nothing short of shocking. Allioski for me has turned in the worst 
> 45 mins I've seen for a long time. Miscontrol, overhit passes and crosses and 
> when put in brilliantly by Roberts he put the ball across the box when it was 
> easier to score.
> 
> The Leeds fans were shouting t

Re: [LU] Hull

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

 Alioski infuriates me too sometimes but as Dave said he is continuously 
involved (and I do not think his missed chance was that easy with the angle he 
had. People just say stuff because it is him. Some of the social media comments 
are just ludicrous.) last night he made three great challenges near our own box 
that stopped them making headway.
Nick
On Wednesday, October 3, 2018, 2:36:09 AM EDT, Einar S. 
 wrote:  
 
 Allioski has an intensity to his game that almost makes him undroppable.  As a 
defender, I would much rather be facing Harrison than Alioski.


> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018, 3:37:33 PM EDT, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Watching on LUTV - when the passing game comes off it looks great (Sheffield 
> Wed) when it doesn’t it’s bloody awful.
> 
> Tonight so far has been pretty awful. The passing from Ayling and Allioski 
> has been nothing short of shocking. Allioski for me has turned in the worst 
> 45 mins I've seen for a long time. Miscontrol, overhit passes and crosses and 
> when put in brilliantly by Roberts he put the ball across the box when it was 
> easier to score. 
> 
> The Leeds fans were shouting the ground down in the first 10 minutes and 
> deathly silent for the last 10 mins. Very frustrating.
> 
> I don’t think this team is promotion material. Yes we are playing better and 
> more confident but the basics are missing at times. 
> I'm wondering whether Harrison is any better than Dallas ?
> Having said that Hull are shite and I fully expect us to win. 

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Re: [LU] Hull

[Simon McNally]

I can understand why coaches like Alioski. He works hard defensively and puts 
his full back under a lot of pressure. He’s incredibly frustrating though - his 
final ball is awful and missed a sitter yesterday. I’d have subbed him at half 
time.
Regarding Phillips I thought he was good. He never hides from the ball and 
constantly accepts it when under pressure. His pass to Klich in the build up to 
the goal was superb - I don’t see many in the squad who can hit passes like 
that. LUFC data on twitter posted these stats for him yesterday :
Kalvin Phillips vs. Hull City:

94 touches (2nd-most on pitch) 👏
91.5% pass accuracy 🔥
75 completed passes (most on pitch) 👌
7 ball recoveries 👊
4 aerials duels won
2 shots 
2 clearances
1 block

I know you can prove anything with stats but I think they show the influence he 
has over our play and the work he puts in.

Overall I thought we did ok in a game that we controlled against a very poor 
Hull team.
They were adopting a low block, like Birmingham did and showed little intention 
of scoring. Sometimes I think we rush our passes a bit against teams sat deep 
and try things that aren’t quite on out of frustration. If Alioski takes that 
chance though, I think we win by 3.

S

Sent from my iPhone

> On 3 Oct 2018, at 07:35, Einar S.  wrote:
> 
> Allioski has an intensity to his game that almost makes him undroppable.  As 
> a defender, I would much rather be facing Harrison than Alioski.
> 
> 
>> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018, 3:37:33 PM EDT, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>>  wrote:  
>> 
>> Watching on LUTV - when the passing game comes off it looks great (Sheffield 
>> Wed) when it doesn’t it’s bloody awful.
>> 
>> Tonight so far has been pretty awful. The passing from Ayling and Allioski 
>> has been nothing short of shocking. Allioski for me has turned in the worst 
>> 45 mins I've seen for a long time. Miscontrol, overhit passes and crosses 
>> and when put in brilliantly by Roberts he put the ball across the box when 
>> it was easier to score. 
>> 
>> The Leeds fans were shouting the ground down in the first 10 minutes and 
>> deathly silent for the last 10 mins. Very frustrating.
>> 
>> I don’t think this team is promotion material. Yes we are playing better and 
>> more confident but the basics are missing at times. 
>> I'm wondering whether Harrison is any better than Dallas ?
>> Having said that Hull are shite and I fully expect us to win. 
> 
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Jeremy Adams]

I only saw the game from about the 30th till the 60th minute. I've also not 
seen much of us play live all this season other than the season opener so don't 
have much to compare it to. However compared to last season, if that was us 
playing below our best last night and not really getting into gear we are light 
years ahead of where we were last season. What Bielsa has done since coming to 
the club surpasses what Guardiola did at Man City in his first season there as 
far as I'm concerned.


Jeremy



From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Naef 

Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 4:25:57 AM
To: Leeds List; Richard Walker
Subject: Re: [LU] Hull

Agree Hull were poor and it was one of our least impressive performances, BUT 
We were a million times better than the same fixture last season and our pass 
completion was still 82%.  Players got in great positions let down a by their 
last touch.  The passing that failed was generally adventurous.  22 points from 
11 games, top of the league, proper manager at last. Excited? Not much!

Sent from my mobile


From: Richard Walker 
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 9:56:24 PM
To: Richard Naef; Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Hull

No I think some of the passing and play was bloody awful. We were by far the 
better side throughout in a poor game but it took a great strike from Tyler 
Roberts to win it.

Hull were the worst team we've played this season.

My Scores:

Peacock - 7 didn't have much to do. Collected a cross confidently late on plus 
got his legs in the way in a late scramble as we panicked Milwall style late on.

Ayling - 5. First half was his worst of the season and he's getting a rep for 
starting very slowly. His passing was off and he should have had a goal.

Douglas - 7. I thought he was solid throughout. Hope his injury isn't bad.

Cooper - 7. Nearly one fuck up with Peacock first half but in general not 
troubled apart from a couple of crosses.

Jansson - 8. Our best defender. I wish he wouldn't feign injury though.

Siaz - 7. Did ok but again a yard short to really hurt them.

Kilch - 8. I thought he was consistent throughout and was still chasing down 
the ball in injury time.

Philips - 5. On the occassions Hull broke from midfield they left him for dead. 
He's just playing as a luxury, additional defender.

Allioski - 2. Apart from run round and cause a bit of chaos I thought he was 
incredibly poor. He's not a left winger. Should have scored first half.

Harrison - 4. Didn't really contribute first half. Second half a couple of 
decent crosses and link up play but overall disappointing.

Roberts - 7. I like Roberts, he runs around a lot, he closes down, he's got 
good control and can link up well (see his deft lay off for Allioski's chance 
first half). His goal was a great strike and I get the impression that goals 
like this will be more common than the 2 yard tap-ins. My only criticism is 
that he looks a little casual at times and he gave the ball away cheaply at 
times.

Subs:

Dallas - came on at right wing but then had to go to left back when Douglas got 
injured. Did ok.

Forshaw - tidy with a few mistakes. Rather than look at Forshaw as a 
replacement for Siaz I'd play him instead of Philips. Offers much more.

It's a good win and we're top but I don't think this starting 11 will get 
promotion. With Hernandez back and a decent winger I think we're top 6.





From: Richard Naef 
To: Richard Walker ; Leeds List 
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2018, 21:05
Subject: RE: [LU] Hull

I think bloody awful is a bit harsh, even when it doesn't come off they are 
still trying, surely an improvement over pretty much any team we've in the last 
10 years.  Player tracking back, looking for a forward attacking pass rather 
than just lumping it.

ttfn

Richard

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On Behalf 
Of {broken-address} Richard Walker
Sent: 02 October 2018 20:37
To: Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Subject: [LU] Hull

Watching on LUTV - when the passing game comes off it looks great (Sheffield 
Wed) when it doesn’t it’s bloody awful.

Tonight so far has been pretty awful. The passing from Ayling and Allioski has 
been nothing short of shocking. Allioski for me has turned in the worst 45 mins 
I've seen for a long time. Miscontrol, overhit passes and crosses and when put 
in brilliantly by Roberts he put the ball across the box when it was easier to 
score.

The Leeds fans were shouting the ground down in the first 10 minutes and 
deathly silent for the last 10 mins. Very frustrating.

I don’t think this team is promotion material. Yes we are playing better and 
more confident but the basics are missing at times. I'm wondering whether 
Harrison is any better than Dallas ?
Having said

Re: [LU] Hull

[Richard Naef]

Agree Hull were poor and it was one of our least impressive performances, BUT 
We were a million times better than the same fixture last season and our pass 
completion was still 82%.  Players got in great positions let down a by their 
last touch.  The passing that failed was generally adventurous.  22 points from 
11 games, top of the league, proper manager at last. Excited? Not much!

Sent from my mobile


From: Richard Walker 
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 9:56:24 PM
To: Richard Naef; Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Hull

No I think some of the passing and play was bloody awful. We were by far the 
better side throughout in a poor game but it took a great strike from Tyler 
Roberts to win it.

Hull were the worst team we've played this season.

My Scores:

Peacock - 7 didn't have much to do. Collected a cross confidently late on plus 
got his legs in the way in a late scramble as we panicked Milwall style late on.

Ayling - 5. First half was his worst of the season and he's getting a rep for 
starting very slowly. His passing was off and he should have had a goal.

Douglas - 7. I thought he was solid throughout. Hope his injury isn't bad.

Cooper - 7. Nearly one fuck up with Peacock first half but in general not 
troubled apart from a couple of crosses.

Jansson - 8. Our best defender. I wish he wouldn't feign injury though.

Siaz - 7. Did ok but again a yard short to really hurt them.

Kilch - 8. I thought he was consistent throughout and was still chasing down 
the ball in injury time.

Philips - 5. On the occassions Hull broke from midfield they left him for dead. 
He's just playing as a luxury, additional defender.

Allioski - 2. Apart from run round and cause a bit of chaos I thought he was 
incredibly poor. He's not a left winger. Should have scored first half.

Harrison - 4. Didn't really contribute first half. Second half a couple of 
decent crosses and link up play but overall disappointing.

Roberts - 7. I like Roberts, he runs around a lot, he closes down, he's got 
good control and can link up well (see his deft lay off for Allioski's chance 
first half). His goal was a great strike and I get the impression that goals 
like this will be more common than the 2 yard tap-ins. My only criticism is 
that he looks a little casual at times and he gave the ball away cheaply at 
times.

Subs:

Dallas - came on at right wing but then had to go to left back when Douglas got 
injured. Did ok.

Forshaw - tidy with a few mistakes. Rather than look at Forshaw as a 
replacement for Siaz I'd play him instead of Philips. Offers much more.

It's a good win and we're top but I don't think this starting 11 will get 
promotion. With Hernandez back and a decent winger I think we're top 6.





From: Richard Naef 
To: Richard Walker ; Leeds List 
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2018, 21:05
Subject: RE: [LU] Hull

I think bloody awful is a bit harsh, even when it doesn't come off they are 
still trying, surely an improvement over pretty much any team we've in the last 
10 years.  Player tracking back, looking for a forward attacking pass rather 
than just lumping it.

ttfn

Richard

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On Behalf 
Of {broken-address} Richard Walker
Sent: 02 October 2018 20:37
To: Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Subject: [LU] Hull

Watching on LUTV - when the passing game comes off it looks great (Sheffield 
Wed) when it doesn’t it’s bloody awful.

Tonight so far has been pretty awful. The passing from Ayling and Allioski has 
been nothing short of shocking. Allioski for me has turned in the worst 45 mins 
I've seen for a long time. Miscontrol, overhit passes and crosses and when put 
in brilliantly by Roberts he put the ball across the box when it was easier to 
score.

The Leeds fans were shouting the ground down in the first 10 minutes and 
deathly silent for the last 10 mins. Very frustrating.

I don’t think this team is promotion material. Yes we are playing better and 
more confident but the basics are missing at times. I'm wondering whether 
Harrison is any better than Dallas ?
Having said that Hull are shite and I fully expect us to win. 
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Re: [LU] Hull

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

edibly poor. He's not a left winger. Should have scored first half. 
> Harrison - 4. Didn't really contribute first half. Second half a couple of 
> decent crosses and link up play but overall disappointing. 
> Roberts - 7. I like Roberts, he runs around a lot, he closes down, he's got 
> good control and can link up well (see his deft lay off for Allioski's chance 
> first half). His goal was a great strike and I get the impression that goals 
> like this will be more common than the 2 yard tap-ins. My only criticism is 
> that he looks a little casual at times and he gave the ball away cheaply at 
> times. 
> Subs:
> Dallas - came on at right wing but then had to go to left back when Douglas 
> got injured. Did ok. 
> Forshaw - tidy with a few mistakes. Rather than look at Forshaw as a 
> replacement for Siaz I'd play him instead of Philips. Offers much more.
> It's a good win and we're top but I don't think this starting 11 will get 
> promotion. With Hernandez back and a decent winger I think we're top 6. 
> 
> 
> 
>   From: Richard Naef 
> To: Richard Walker ; Leeds List 
>  
> Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2018, 21:05
> Subject: RE: [LU] Hull
>   
> I think bloody awful is a bit harsh, even when it doesn't come off they are 
> still trying, surely an improvement over pretty much any team we've in the 
> last 10 years.  Player tracking back, looking for a forward attacking pass 
> rather than just lumping it. 
> 
> ttfn
> 
> Richard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of {broken-address} 
> Richard Walker
> Sent: 02 October 2018 20:37
> To: Leeds List 
> Subject: [LU] Hull
> 
> Watching on LUTV - when the passing game comes off it looks great (Sheffield 
> Wed) when it doesn’t it’s bloody awful.
> 
> Tonight so far has been pretty awful. The passing from Ayling and Allioski 
> has been nothing short of shocking. Allioski for me has turned in the worst 
> 45 mins I've seen for a long time. Miscontrol, overhit passes and crosses and 
> when put in brilliantly by Roberts he put the ball across the box when it was 
> easier to score. 
> 
> The Leeds fans were shouting the ground down in the first 10 minutes and 
> deathly silent for the last 10 mins. Very frustrating.
> 
> I don’t think this team is promotion material. Yes we are playing better and 
> more confident but the basics are missing at times. I'm wondering whether 
> Harrison is any better than Dallas ?
> Having said that Hull are shite and I fully expect us to win. 
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Einar S.]

Allioski has an intensity to his game that almost makes him undroppable.  As a 
defender, I would much rather be facing Harrison than Alioski.


> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018, 3:37:33 PM EDT, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Watching on LUTV - when the passing game comes off it looks great (Sheffield 
> Wed) when it doesn’t it’s bloody awful.
> 
> Tonight so far has been pretty awful. The passing from Ayling and Allioski 
> has been nothing short of shocking. Allioski for me has turned in the worst 
> 45 mins I've seen for a long time. Miscontrol, overhit passes and crosses and 
> when put in brilliantly by Roberts he put the ball across the box when it was 
> easier to score. 
> 
> The Leeds fans were shouting the ground down in the first 10 minutes and 
> deathly silent for the last 10 mins. Very frustrating.
> 
> I don’t think this team is promotion material. Yes we are playing better and 
> more confident but the basics are missing at times. 
> I'm wondering whether Harrison is any better than Dallas ?
> Having said that Hull are shite and I fully expect us to win. 

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Re: [LU] Hull

[nat...@sky.com]

hen had to go to left back when Douglas got 
injured. Did ok. 
Forshaw - tidy with a few mistakes. Rather than look at Forshaw as a 
replacement for Siaz I'd play him instead of Philips. Offers much more.
It's a good win and we're top but I don't think this starting 11 will get 
promotion. With Hernandez back and a decent winger I think we're top 6. 



      From: Richard Naef 
 To: Richard Walker ; Leeds List 
 
 Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2018, 21:05
 Subject: RE: [LU] Hull
  
I think bloody awful is a bit harsh, even when it doesn't come off they are 
still trying, surely an improvement over pretty much any team we've in the last 
10 years.  Player tracking back, looking for a forward attacking pass rather 
than just lumping it. 

ttfn

Richard

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of {broken-address} 
Richard Walker
Sent: 02 October 2018 20:37
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] Hull

Watching on LUTV - when the passing game comes off it looks great (Sheffield 
Wed) when it doesn’t it’s bloody awful.

Tonight so far has been pretty awful. The passing from Ayling and Allioski has 
been nothing short of shocking. Allioski for me has turned in the worst 45 mins 
I've seen for a long time. Miscontrol, overhit passes and crosses and when put 
in brilliantly by Roberts he put the ball across the box when it was easier to 
score. 

The Leeds fans were shouting the ground down in the first 10 minutes and 
deathly silent for the last 10 mins. Very frustrating.

I don’t think this team is promotion material. Yes we are playing better and 
more confident but the basics are missing at times. I'm wondering whether 
Harrison is any better than Dallas ?
Having said that Hull are shite and I fully expect us to win. 
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Re: [LU] Hull

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

 I don't really know what to say. We are playing the best football from a Leeds 
team in 20 years.
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018, 3:37:33 PM EDT, {broken-address} Richard 
Walker  wrote:  
 
 Watching on LUTV - when the passing game comes off it looks great (Sheffield 
Wed) when it doesn’t it’s bloody awful.

Tonight so far has been pretty awful. The passing from Ayling and Allioski has 
been nothing short of shocking. Allioski for me has turned in the worst 45 mins 
I've seen for a long time. Miscontrol, overhit passes and crosses and when put 
in brilliantly by Roberts he put the ball across the box when it was easier to 
score. 

The Leeds fans were shouting the ground down in the first 10 minutes and 
deathly silent for the last 10 mins. Very frustrating.

I don’t think this team is promotion material. Yes we are playing better and 
more confident but the basics are missing at times. 
I'm wondering whether Harrison is any better than Dallas ?
Having said that Hull are shite and I fully expect us to win. 
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Re: [LU] Hull

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

No I think some of the passing and play was bloody awful. We were by far the 
better side throughout in a poor game but it took a great strike from Tyler 
Roberts to win it.
Hull were the worst team we've played this season.
My Scores:
Peacock - 7 didn't have much to do. Collected a cross confidently late on plus 
got his legs in the way in a late scramble as we panicked Milwall style late 
on. 
Ayling - 5. First half was his worst of the season and he's getting a rep for 
starting very slowly. His passing was off and he should have had a goal. 
Douglas - 7. I thought he was solid throughout. Hope his injury isn't bad.
Cooper - 7. Nearly one fuck up with Peacock first half but in general not 
troubled apart from a couple of crosses. 
Jansson - 8. Our best defender. I wish he wouldn't feign injury though. 
Siaz - 7. Did ok but again a yard short to really hurt them.
Kilch - 8. I thought he was consistent throughout and was still chasing down 
the ball in injury time. 
Philips - 5. On the occassions Hull broke from midfield they left him for dead. 
He's just playing as a luxury, additional defender. 
Allioski - 2. Apart from run round and cause a bit of chaos I thought he was 
incredibly poor. He's not a left winger. Should have scored first half. 
Harrison - 4. Didn't really contribute first half. Second half a couple of 
decent crosses and link up play but overall disappointing. 
Roberts - 7. I like Roberts, he runs around a lot, he closes down, he's got 
good control and can link up well (see his deft lay off for Allioski's chance 
first half). His goal was a great strike and I get the impression that goals 
like this will be more common than the 2 yard tap-ins. My only criticism is 
that he looks a little casual at times and he gave the ball away cheaply at 
times. 
Subs:
Dallas - came on at right wing but then had to go to left back when Douglas got 
injured. Did ok. 
Forshaw - tidy with a few mistakes. Rather than look at Forshaw as a 
replacement for Siaz I'd play him instead of Philips. Offers much more.
It's a good win and we're top but I don't think this starting 11 will get 
promotion. With Hernandez back and a decent winger I think we're top 6. 



  From: Richard Naef 
 To: Richard Walker ; Leeds List 
 
 Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2018, 21:05
 Subject: RE: [LU] Hull
   
I think bloody awful is a bit harsh, even when it doesn't come off they are 
still trying, surely an improvement over pretty much any team we've in the last 
10 years.  Player tracking back, looking for a forward attacking pass rather 
than just lumping it. 

ttfn

Richard

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of {broken-address} 
Richard Walker
Sent: 02 October 2018 20:37
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] Hull

Watching on LUTV - when the passing game comes off it looks great (Sheffield 
Wed) when it doesn’t it’s bloody awful.

Tonight so far has been pretty awful. The passing from Ayling and Allioski has 
been nothing short of shocking. Allioski for me has turned in the worst 45 mins 
I've seen for a long time. Miscontrol, overhit passes and crosses and when put 
in brilliantly by Roberts he put the ball across the box when it was easier to 
score. 

The Leeds fans were shouting the ground down in the first 10 minutes and 
deathly silent for the last 10 mins. Very frustrating.

I don’t think this team is promotion material. Yes we are playing better and 
more confident but the basics are missing at times. I'm wondering whether 
Harrison is any better than Dallas ?
Having said that Hull are shite and I fully expect us to win. 
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Richard Naef]

I think bloody awful is a bit harsh, even when it doesn't come off they are 
still trying, surely an improvement over pretty much any team we've in the last 
10 years.  Player tracking back, looking for a forward attacking pass rather 
than just lumping it. 

ttfn

Richard

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of {broken-address} 
Richard Walker
Sent: 02 October 2018 20:37
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] Hull

Watching on LUTV - when the passing game comes off it looks great (Sheffield 
Wed) when it doesn’t it’s bloody awful.

Tonight so far has been pretty awful. The passing from Ayling and Allioski has 
been nothing short of shocking. Allioski for me has turned in the worst 45 mins 
I've seen for a long time. Miscontrol, overhit passes and crosses and when put 
in brilliantly by Roberts he put the ball across the box when it was easier to 
score. 

The Leeds fans were shouting the ground down in the first 10 minutes and 
deathly silent for the last 10 mins. Very frustrating.

I don’t think this team is promotion material. Yes we are playing better and 
more confident but the basics are missing at times. I'm wondering whether 
Harrison is any better than Dallas ?
Having said that Hull are shite and I fully expect us to win. 
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Re: [LU] Hull

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

 OK maybe I am the only one who thinks Cibicki did ok. Also Alisoski worked his 
bollocks off. But you lot know best (didn't someone else say that? :-) )
Nick
On Saturday, December 23, 2017, 3:42:43 PM EST, nat...@sky.com 
 wrote:  
 
 Well for the second home game on the trot we have got the three points and 
kept a clean sheet, but as in the last game (v Norwich) this was a game that 
will soon be forgotten
Against Norwich we did at least deserve the points, today that was no way near 
the case. If i was a Hull fan I would have left ER thinking that we had been 
robbed
From first to last they were the better team - they were sharper, more 
committed and better on the ball. I have not see the statistics but I reckon 
they had much more possession, were in our half for most of the game and had 
more shots (not hard since apart from the goal I can only remember one decent 
shot (Alioski) and one awful wayward one (Cibiscki) when Lassogga was well 
placed for a cross.
The defining moment of the game was the goal - for some reason as Roofe ran at 
him, their keeper kicked it out straight to one of our players  just outside 
the box . Unluckily for them and thankfully for us, that player was Hernandez, 
perhaps the one player on the pitch (with Saiz missing) who was capable of 
capitalising on the error. He played a glorious chip back over the keeper head 
and into the net (albeit for a while we all thought it was going over) and so 
totally against the run of play we went one up on the half hour
Before the goal we had been well outplayed and only two good saves from 
Wieldwald and some poor finishing and some poor final ball had kept us in it
Second half - with O'Kane replacing Phillips - we did look a bit more composed 
and at least looked solid at the back. Having said that we spent most of the 
second half watching the clock tick down hoping that by the time they scored 
what we thought was the inevitable equaliser , there would not be time for them 
to get a winner.
Instead they seemed to run out of steam and ideas and we did manage to see out 
the half without letting them have any real chances
Pontus is back to his best and Cooper had one of his good games (as he has so 
often this year to be fair) and so, although their number 9 caused us massive 
problems and looked a real handful, we kept them at bay. The keeper and back 
four all had good games, Vieirra had a good game, but in front of them everyone 
was average at best and poor at worst. Hernandez, goal apart, was invisible, 
Alioski was back to his falling over worst, Roofe showed that unless he gets 
good service he is a waste of a shirt, and Cibicki showed why it has taken him 
so long to get into the team. Phillips and later O'Kane were both off the pace.
So, all in all, a forgettable game and three points stolen but it is three more 
points towards what we need and it means we will spend Christmas in the top 
six. Can we stay there? Who knows but with 2 easyish away games we should still 
be in a play off position when we host Forest on New Years Day to start 2018
All the best to all on here and Leeds fans everywhere = Merry Christmas and 
Happy New Year
Dave
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Ted]

Yes Rich - Leeds fans were on great form, probably best away atmosphere
I've been to for a while.
Best bit was a 15-20 minute "we all love Leeds" chant, culminating in us
scoring the equaliser 2 mins from time.

Maybe with 2400 there it's more likely to be "hard core" fans as opposed to
day trippers?

A good repertoire of songs from start to finish with maybe a 10 mins lull
at start of 2nd half.

Couple of negatives, Hull fans chucking stuff at Beradi as he was carried
off and an over zealous copper spraying pepper spray at Leeds fans in the
concourse under the stand at half time.

Police were a bit over the top, they'd drafted a load in from County Durham.

Had a good laugh in the "Hull" pubs after match, all good natured.

So, a decent performance and nearly a win. I had a couple of bets on, if
Wood had scored the pen and we'd gone on to win it would have been an even
better day, had Leeds to win at 8/1 and Hull winning at half time with
Leeds winning at full time at 66/1. Oh well.

And I think I'm an Evans in! He's got his faults and given the chance I
wouldn't have picked him but I think he's done enough to warrant a chance
next season. At least he knows this league as opposed to some inexperienced
Italian.

Ted H
On 26 Apr 2016 12:37 p.m., "Richard Naef" 
wrote:

> Just watched the highlights on LUTV, if they'd had their shooting boots on
> we might have got a drubbing, but then again if we'd scored the penalty we
> might have go on to win.  Botaka looks like he's worth a few starts, not so
> sure about Erwin though, maybe he needs to go on loan and get some games at
> a lower level, Scottish premier perhaps :)
>
>
>
> Once again the Leeds fans were the clear winners, out sung the Hull fans as
> far as I could hear/see - perhaps a TedH could confirm?
>
>
>
> ttfn
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LU] Hull

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

>From the first moment I saw Bokata you could tell he had something to offer. 
>Can't understand why he's not been given a chance.


> On 26 Apr 2016, at 12:37, Richard Naef  
> wrote:
> 
> Just watched the highlights on LUTV, if they'd had their shooting boots on
> we might have got a drubbing, but then again if we'd scored the penalty we
> might have go on to win.  Botaka looks like he's worth a few starts, not so
> sure about Erwin though, maybe he needs to go on loan and get some games at
> a lower level, Scottish premier perhaps :)
> 
> 
> 
> Once again the Leeds fans were the clear winners, out sung the Hull fans as
> far as I could hear/see - perhaps a TedH could confirm?
> 
> 
> 
> ttfn
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] Hull City Odds

[leedspore]

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. Original message From: 
Ted  Date: 22/04/2016  16:44  (GMT+08:00) To: leedslist 
 Subject: [LU] Hull City Odds 
I'm going to the game tomorrow along with some Hull City supporting mates
(I live in Hull) - I thought I'd have a couple of bets so was looking at
the odds.

Although we haven't had the best of seasons (), we have won 7 awayj
games and for this league I don't think that's too bad.

I was shocked that on BetVictor we were offered at 8/1 for a win!  For a 2
horse race that seems pretty ridiculous?  (Admittedly, Hull have only lost
one home game!)

So, have I thrown my money away?  Hope not!

(I've also gone for us to be losing at half-time but winning the match,
66/1!)

Just hope I can be gloating to my (Hull) friends after the game - after
recent years I'm due!

Ted H
(Who was thinking of jacking it in for next year but the Season Ticket
offer has swayed me back in!)
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Robinson, Mick]

Absolutely, oppose it vehemently, as they should,  but as I have paid for my 
pie I am having my pie and what better time than before the queues start.



-Original Message-
From: Matt [mailto:matthew.gayn...@btopenworld.com] 
Sent: 06 December 2015 13:49
To: Robinson, Mick 
Cc: nat...@sky.com; Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Hull

It did occur to me that if you leave your seat and can't leave the ground there 
is little else to do in the South Stand except have a pie and a pint. 

> On 6 Dec 2015, at 10:57, Robinson, Mick  wrote:
> 
> So when they left after 17 mins do you think they were really going to redeem 
> their Pie Voucher ???
> 
> :-)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On 
> Behalf Of nat...@sky.com
> Sent: 05 December 2015 20:17
> To: Leeds List 
> Subject: [LU] Hull
> 
> Wow - we were not expecting that result. Pre match I had said to a mate in 
> the   pub that even if, by some miracle we won today, and we agreed it would 
> take a minor miracle, that it would not mean anything and all our problems , 
> on and off the pitch would remain. Having said that we won and it was great. 
> The first victory my son has seen this season (he missed Cardiff)  and 
> overall we deserved it and  we LOVED it.
> Yes, we lived dangerously at times and they missed a sitter (from a Snoddy 
> cross) at the end that would have gained them a point, but from start to 
> finish we gave it everything and all the players gave it their best, and, all 
> things considered that is all we can ask for.
> In the  pub (and we were there very early so bear that in mind) I did say I 
> would like to see both Adeyemi and Bridcutt in front of the back four with 
> Wood up top on his own supported by Cook, Mowatt and Dallas  (OK i wanted 
> Byram in place of Wooton from the start) so when we took our places I had to 
> admit that if it did not work I had no suggestions to make things better 
> given that it was the team I wanted.
> From the off,and for the full 90 really, Hull showed how much better than us 
> they are, and showed us how much we need to improve to get to that level. 
> Luckily for us football is not just about being the better players etc, and 
> today the strong blustery wind made it hard for both teams. They passed it 
> around and cut us apart a few times, either the wind , a poor final ball or 
> the attacker not quite being there meant that we had a few narrow escapes as 
> the ball flashed across our 6 yard box with no-one getting the needed touch.
> We had a couple of good moves of our own and this game was won in a 15minute 
> spell just before half time. a brilliant through ball by Cook, showing why he 
> is such a good prospect, fed Dallas who had to run onto it and he put a great 
> cross in that Wood met well and hammered home. A great goal (similar to 
> Huddersfield with Antenuccis goal) I had tried to defend Wood pre game but 
> his overall play in recent games makes that hard. Today  he took his goal 
> well and was a threat throughout and held the ball up and won his flick-ons. 
> There is still hope for him despite some fans being on his back. Then a 
> moment that we thought would be the defining one but in the end counted for 
> nothing - Mowatt won the ball and fired a shot that their keeper just stood 
> and watched, unlike Cardiff and Hudds this one hit the woodwork and bounced 
> to safety. Oh how we could have done with a second we thought. Then a corner 
> was played, in a practised move, to Cook at the edge of the box and his shot 
> was
  parried straight to Adeyemi who slotted home - 2 up at time. Off to rapturous 
, if slightly disbelieving applause. 
> 
> The off for 17 on 17 protest had been a real damp squib with only a dozen or 
> so fans leaving their seats - pointless waste of time (when they returned 
> there was some argy bargy with the stewards) If we are going to protest 
> things it needs to be better organised and better supported than this 
> 
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Matt]

It did occur to me that if you leave your seat and can't leave the ground there 
is little else to do in the South Stand except have a pie and a pint. 

> On 6 Dec 2015, at 10:57, Robinson, Mick  wrote:
> 
> So when they left after 17 mins do you think they were really going to redeem 
> their Pie Voucher ???
> 
> :-)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On 
> Behalf Of nat...@sky.com
> Sent: 05 December 2015 20:17
> To: Leeds List 
> Subject: [LU] Hull
> 
> Wow - we were not expecting that result. Pre match I had said to a mate in 
> the   pub that even if, by some miracle we won today, and we agreed it would 
> take a minor miracle, that it would not mean anything and all our problems , 
> on and off the pitch would remain. Having said that we won and it was great. 
> The first victory my son has seen this season (he missed Cardiff)  and 
> overall we deserved it and  we LOVED it.
> Yes, we lived dangerously at times and they missed a sitter (from a Snoddy 
> cross) at the end that would have gained them a point, but from start to 
> finish we gave it everything and all the players gave it their best, and, all 
> things considered that is all we can ask for.
> In the  pub (and we were there very early so bear that in mind) I did say I 
> would like to see both Adeyemi and Bridcutt in front of the back four with 
> Wood up top on his own supported by Cook, Mowatt and Dallas  (OK i wanted 
> Byram in place of Wooton from the start) so when we took our places I had to 
> admit that if it did not work I had no suggestions to make things better 
> given that it was the team I wanted.
> From the off,and for the full 90 really, Hull showed how much better than us 
> they are, and showed us how much we need to improve to get to that level. 
> Luckily for us football is not just about being the better players etc, and 
> today the strong blustery wind made it hard for both teams. They passed it 
> around and cut us apart a few times, either the wind , a poor final ball or 
> the attacker not quite being there meant that we had a few narrow escapes as 
> the ball flashed across our 6 yard box with no-one getting the needed touch.
> We had a couple of good moves of our own and this game was won in a 15minute 
> spell just before half time. a brilliant through ball by Cook, showing why he 
> is such a good prospect, fed Dallas who had to run onto it and he put a great 
> cross in that Wood met well and hammered home. A great goal (similar to 
> Huddersfield with Antenuccis goal) I had tried to defend Wood pre game but 
> his overall play in recent games makes that hard. Today  he took his goal 
> well and was a threat throughout and held the ball up and won his flick-ons. 
> There is still hope for him despite some fans being on his back. Then a 
> moment that we thought would be the defining one but in the end counted for 
> nothing - Mowatt won the ball and fired a shot that their keeper just stood 
> and watched, unlike Cardiff and Hudds this one hit the woodwork and bounced 
> to safety. Oh how we could have done with a second we thought. Then a corner 
> was played, in a practised move, to Cook at the edge of the box and his shot 
> was
  parried straight to Adeyemi who slotted home - 2 up at time. Off to rapturous 
, if slightly disbelieving applause. 
> 
> The off for 17 on 17 protest had been a real damp squib with only a dozen or 
> so fans leaving their seats - pointless waste of time (when they returned 
> there was some argy bargy with the stewards) If we are going to protest 
> things it needs to be better organised and better supported than this 
> 
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Robinson, Mick]

☺ Oh and thanks for the reports, always appreciated.



From: nat...@sky.com [mailto:nat...@sky.com]
Sent: 06 December 2015 12:58
To: Robinson, Mick ; Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Hull

Who knows - I am in Gelderd / Kop / Revie  North Stand (whatever you choose to 
call it) and the 'protest' such as it was , was in the South Stand. No-on near 
me left their seats. If I did not know in advance that this protest was taking 
place I doubt if I would have noticed. As it was there was a bit of 
'excitement' as the clock ticked onto 17 but then nothing - I was expecting the 
SS Upper to be empty and the bottom 50/50 but on 18mins there were no visible 
empty seats. Like I say a total damp squib a non event. There were chants later 
on aimed at the pie fiasco 'South Stand show us your pies' and 'get your pies 
out for the lads' which made a few smile
To me it just shows how out of touch Waccoe is compared to match going fans - 
66% of voters on there claimed they were going to leave their seats and I think 
more voted to leave on there than actually did!


Dave


From: "Robinson, Mick" mailto:mick.robin...@miq.com>>
To: "nat...@sky.com<mailto:nat...@sky.com>" 
mailto:nat...@sky.com>>; Leeds List 
mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Sent: Sunday, 6 December 2015, 10:57
Subject: RE: [LU] Hull

So when they left after 17 mins do you think they were really going to redeem 
their Pie Voucher ???

:-)

-Original Message-
From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org<mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> 
[mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org<mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>] On 
Behalf Of nat...@sky.com<mailto:nat...@sky.com>
Sent: 05 December 2015 20:17
To: Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Subject: [LU] Hull

Wow - we were not expecting that result. Pre match I had said to a mate in the  
 pub that even if, by some miracle we won today, and we agreed it would take a 
minor miracle, that it would not mean anything and all our problems , on and 
off the pitch would remain. Having said that we won and it was great. The first 
victory my son has seen this season (he missed Cardiff)  and overall we 
deserved it and  we LOVED it.
Yes, we lived dangerously at times and they missed a sitter (from a Snoddy 
cross) at the end that would have gained them a point, but from start to finish 
we gave it everything and all the players gave it their best, and, all things 
considered that is all we can ask for.
In the  pub (and we were there very early so bear that in mind) I did say I 
would like to see both Adeyemi and Bridcutt in front of the back four with Wood 
up top on his own supported by Cook, Mowatt and Dallas  (OK i wanted Byram in 
place of Wooton from the start) so when we took our places I had to admit that 
if it did not work I had no suggestions to make things better given that it was 
the team I wanted.
From the off,and for the full 90 really, Hull showed how much better than us 
they are, and showed us how much we need to improve to get to that level. 
Luckily for us football is not just about being the better players etc, and 
today the strong blustery wind made it hard for both teams. They passed it 
around and cut us apart a few times, either the wind , a poor final ball or the 
attacker not quite being there meant that we had a few narrow escapes as the 
ball flashed across our 6 yard box with no-one getting the needed touch.
We had a couple of good moves of our own and this game was won in a 15minute 
spell just before half time. a brilliant through ball by Cook, showing why he 
is such a good prospect, fed Dallas who had to run onto it and he put a great 
cross in that Wood met well and hammered home. A great goal (similar to 
Huddersfield with Antenuccis goal) I had tried to defend Wood pre game but his 
overall play in recent games makes that hard. Today  he took his goal well and 
was a threat throughout and held the ball up and won his flick-ons. There is 
still hope for him despite some fans being on his back. Then a moment that we 
thought would be the defining one but in the end counted for nothing - Mowatt 
won the ball and fired a shot that their keeper just stood and watched, unlike 
Cardiff and Hudds this one hit the woodwork and bounced to safety. Oh how we 
could have done with a second we thought. Then a corner was played, in a 
practised move, to Cook at the edge of the box and his shot was parried 
straight to Adeyemi who slotted home - 2 up at time. Off to rapturous , if 
slightly disbelieving applause.

The off for 17 on 17 protest had been a real damp squib with only a dozen or so 
fans leaving their seats - pointless waste of time (when they returned there 
was some argy bargy with the stewards) If we are going to protest things it 
needs to be better organised and better supported than this Second half we 
started and stayed on the back foot and when 

Re: [LU] Hull

[Nick]

In our bit of the N Stand we enjoyed the 17 minute pie-protest mainly because 
it meant this loud mouth fuck-wit know nothing gobshite behind us - who blames 
everything from George Osborne’s haircut to the rise of Daesh, on Silvestri - 
fucked off (even though he was in the wrong stand) and missed our first goal 
and then when he came back and people started taking the piss, he missed the 
second cos he was too busy arguing…wanker.

As to the game - quite unexpected but showed a decent spirit…saying Wood had a 
decent game just shows how low our expectations have sunk, he was 
mediocre…which I agree is better than of late. New chap in the middle put 
himself about handily and looked like that gave Adeyemi, Cook and Mowatt some 
more time…the move for the first goal was a little peach…Cook to Dallas to 
Wood…Wootton was shocking - how Byram is not getting picked…we will know next 
week whether Wootton has pictures of Evans coming out of a slimmers world 
meeting, if Berardi isn’t right back and Charlie Taylor Left back then 
something is severely amiss.

Take the 3 points…






> On 6 Dec 2015, at 13:06, davidwool...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I wouldn't necessarily say it shows WACCOE people are out of touch - any 
> Leeds fan with a brain cell thinks Cellino is criminal scum who should be 
> driven out of our club - the issue is more of coordination and raising the 
> lazy comfortable masses out of their reverie into action. 
> 
> 
>   Original Message  
> From: nat...@sky.com
> Sent: Sunday, 6 December 2015 13:57
> To: Robinson, Mick; Leeds List
> Reply To: nat...@sky.com
> Subject: Re: [LU] Hull
> 
> Who knows - I am in Gelderd / Kop / Revie  North Stand (whatever you choose 
> to call it) and the 'protest' such as it was , was in the South Stand. No-on 
> near me left their seats. If I did not know in advance that this protest was 
> taking place I doubt if I would have noticed. As it was there was a bit of 
> 'excitement' as the clock ticked onto 17 but then nothing - I was expecting 
> the SS Upper to be empty and the bottom 50/50 but on 18mins there were no 
> visible empty seats. Like I say a total damp squib a non event. There were 
> chants later on aimed at the pie fiasco 'South Stand show us your pies' and 
> 'get your pies out for the lads' which made a few smileTo me it just shows 
> how out of touch Waccoe is compared to match going fans - 66% of voters on 
> there claimed they were going to leave their seats and I think more voted to 
> leave on there than actually did!
> Dave
> From: "Robinson, Mick" 
> To: "nat...@sky.com" ; Leeds List  
> Sent: Sunday, 6 December 2015, 10:57
> Subject: RE: [LU] Hull
> 
> So when they left after 17 mins do you think they were really going to redeem 
> their Pie Voucher ???
> 
> :-)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On 
> Behalf Of nat...@sky.com
> Sent: 05 December 2015 20:17
> To: Leeds List 
> Subject: [LU] Hull
> 
> Wow - we were not expecting that result. Pre match I had said to a mate in 
> the   pub that even if, by some miracle we won today, and we agreed it would 
> take a minor miracle, that it would not mean anything and all our problems , 
> on and off the pitch would remain. Having said that we won and it was great. 
> The first victory my son has seen this season (he missed Cardiff)  and 
> overall we deserved it and  we LOVED it.
> Yes, we lived dangerously at times and they missed a sitter (from a Snoddy 
> cross) at the end that would have gained them a point, but from start to 
> finish we gave it everything and all the players gave it their best, and, all 
> things considered that is all we can ask for.
> In the  pub (and we were there very early so bear that in mind) I did say I 
> would like to see both Adeyemi and Bridcutt in front of the back four with 
> Wood up top on his own supported by Cook, Mowatt and Dallas  (OK i wanted 
> Byram in place of Wooton from the start) so when we took our places I had to 
> admit that if it did not work I had no suggestions to make things better 
> given that it was the team I wanted.
> From the off,and for the full 90 really, Hull showed how much better than us 
> they are, and showed us how much we need to improve to get to that level. 
> Luckily for us football is not just about being the better players etc, and 
> today the strong blustery wind made it hard for both teams. They passed it 
> around and cut us apart a few times, either the wind , a poor final ball or 
> the attacker not quite being there meant that we had a few narrow escapes as 
> the ball flashed across our 6 yard box with no-one getting the needed touch.
> We had a couple of good moves

Re: [LU] Hull

[davidwoolmer]

I wouldn't necessarily say it shows WACCOE people are out of touch - any Leeds 
fan with a brain cell thinks Cellino is criminal scum who should be driven out 
of our club - the issue is more of coordination and raising the lazy 
comfortable masses out of their reverie into action. 


  Original Message  
From: nat...@sky.com
Sent: Sunday, 6 December 2015 13:57
To: Robinson, Mick; Leeds List
Reply To: nat...@sky.com
Subject: Re: [LU] Hull

Who knows - I am in Gelderd / Kop / Revie  North Stand (whatever you choose to 
call it) and the 'protest' such as it was , was in the South Stand. No-on near 
me left their seats. If I did not know in advance that this protest was taking 
place I doubt if I would have noticed. As it was there was a bit of 
'excitement' as the clock ticked onto 17 but then nothing - I was expecting the 
SS Upper to be empty and the bottom 50/50 but on 18mins there were no visible 
empty seats. Like I say a total damp squib a non event. There were chants later 
on aimed at the pie fiasco 'South Stand show us your pies' and 'get your pies 
out for the lads' which made a few smileTo me it just shows how out of touch 
Waccoe is compared to match going fans - 66% of voters on there claimed they 
were going to leave their seats and I think more voted to leave on there than 
actually did!
Dave
From: "Robinson, Mick" 
To: "nat...@sky.com" ; Leeds List  
Sent: Sunday, 6 December 2015, 10:57
Subject: RE: [LU] Hull

So when they left after 17 mins do you think they were really going to redeem 
their Pie Voucher ???

:-)

-Original Message-
From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On 
Behalf Of nat...@sky.com
Sent: 05 December 2015 20:17
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] Hull

Wow - we were not expecting that result. Pre match I had said to a mate in the  
 pub that even if, by some miracle we won today, and we agreed it would take a 
minor miracle, that it would not mean anything and all our problems , on and 
off the pitch would remain. Having said that we won and it was great. The first 
victory my son has seen this season (he missed Cardiff)  and overall we 
deserved it and  we LOVED it.
Yes, we lived dangerously at times and they missed a sitter (from a Snoddy 
cross) at the end that would have gained them a point, but from start to finish 
we gave it everything and all the players gave it their best, and, all things 
considered that is all we can ask for.
In the  pub (and we were there very early so bear that in mind) I did say I 
would like to see both Adeyemi and Bridcutt in front of the back four with Wood 
up top on his own supported by Cook, Mowatt and Dallas  (OK i wanted Byram in 
place of Wooton from the start) so when we took our places I had to admit that 
if it did not work I had no suggestions to make things better given that it was 
the team I wanted.
>From the off,and for the full 90 really, Hull showed how much better than us 
>they are, and showed us how much we need to improve to get to that level. 
>Luckily for us football is not just about being the better players etc, and 
>today the strong blustery wind made it hard for both teams. They passed it 
>around and cut us apart a few times, either the wind , a poor final ball or 
>the attacker not quite being there meant that we had a few narrow escapes as 
>the ball flashed across our 6 yard box with no-one getting the needed touch.
We had a couple of good moves of our own and this game was won in a 15minute 
spell just before half time. a brilliant through ball by Cook, showing why he 
is such a good prospect, fed Dallas who had to run onto it and he put a great 
cross in that Wood met well and hammered home. A great goal (similar to 
Huddersfield with Antenuccis goal) I had tried to defend Wood pre game but his 
overall play in recent games makes that hard. Today  he took his goal well and 
was a threat throughout and held the ball up and won his flick-ons. There is 
still hope for him despite some fans being on his back. Then a moment that we 
thought would be the defining one but in the end counted for nothing - Mowatt 
won the ball and fired a shot that their keeper just stood and watched, unlike 
Cardiff and Hudds this one hit the woodwork and bounced to safety. Oh how we 
could have done with a second we thought. Then a corner was played, in a 
practised move, to Cook at the edge of the box and his shot was parried 
straight to Adeyemi who slotted home - 2 up at time. Off to rapturous , if 
slightly disbelieving applause. 

The off for 17 on 17 protest had been a real damp squib with only a dozen or so 
fans leaving their seats - pointless waste of time (when they returned there 
was some argy bargy with the stewards) If we are going to protest things it 
needs to be better organised and better supported than this Second half we 
started and stayed on the back foot and when they got one back afte

Re: [LU] Hull

[nat...@sky.com]

Who knows - I am in Gelderd / Kop / Revie  North Stand (whatever you choose to 
call it) and the 'protest' such as it was , was in the South Stand. No-on near 
me left their seats. If I did not know in advance that this protest was taking 
place I doubt if I would have noticed. As it was there was a bit of 
'excitement' as the clock ticked onto 17 but then nothing - I was expecting the 
SS Upper to be empty and the bottom 50/50 but on 18mins there were no visible 
empty seats. Like I say a total damp squib a non event. There were chants later 
on aimed at the pie fiasco 'South Stand show us your pies' and 'get your pies 
out for the lads' which made a few smileTo me it just shows how out of touch 
Waccoe is compared to match going fans - 66% of voters on there claimed they 
were going to leave their seats and I think more voted to leave on there than 
actually did!
Dave
  From: "Robinson, Mick" 
 To: "nat...@sky.com" ; Leeds List  
 Sent: Sunday, 6 December 2015, 10:57
 Subject: RE: [LU] Hull
   
So when they left after 17 mins do you think they were really going to redeem 
their Pie Voucher ???

:-)

-Original Message-
From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On 
Behalf Of nat...@sky.com
Sent: 05 December 2015 20:17
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] Hull

Wow - we were not expecting that result. Pre match I had said to a mate in the  
 pub that even if, by some miracle we won today, and we agreed it would take a 
minor miracle, that it would not mean anything and all our problems , on and 
off the pitch would remain. Having said that we won and it was great. The first 
victory my son has seen this season (he missed Cardiff)  and overall we 
deserved it and  we LOVED it.
Yes, we lived dangerously at times and they missed a sitter (from a Snoddy 
cross) at the end that would have gained them a point, but from start to finish 
we gave it everything and all the players gave it their best, and, all things 
considered that is all we can ask for.
In the  pub (and we were there very early so bear that in mind) I did say I 
would like to see both Adeyemi and Bridcutt in front of the back four with Wood 
up top on his own supported by Cook, Mowatt and Dallas  (OK i wanted Byram in 
place of Wooton from the start) so when we took our places I had to admit that 
if it did not work I had no suggestions to make things better given that it was 
the team I wanted.
From the off,and for the full 90 really, Hull showed how much better than us 
they are, and showed us how much we need to improve to get to that level. 
Luckily for us football is not just about being the better players etc, and 
today the strong blustery wind made it hard for both teams. They passed it 
around and cut us apart a few times, either the wind , a poor final ball or the 
attacker not quite being there meant that we had a few narrow escapes as the 
ball flashed across our 6 yard box with no-one getting the needed touch.
We had a couple of good moves of our own and this game was won in a 15minute 
spell just before half time. a brilliant through ball by Cook, showing why he 
is such a good prospect, fed Dallas who had to run onto it and he put a great 
cross in that Wood met well and hammered home. A great goal (similar to 
Huddersfield with Antenuccis goal) I had tried to defend Wood pre game but his 
overall play in recent games makes that hard. Today  he took his goal well and 
was a threat throughout and held the ball up and won his flick-ons. There is 
still hope for him despite some fans being on his back. Then a moment that we 
thought would be the defining one but in the end counted for nothing - Mowatt 
won the ball and fired a shot that their keeper just stood and watched, unlike 
Cardiff and Hudds this one hit the woodwork and bounced to safety. Oh how we 
could have done with a second we thought. Then a corner was played, in a 
practised move, to Cook at the edge of the box and his shot was parried 
straight to Adeyemi who slotted home - 2 up at time. Off to rapturous , if 
slightly disbelieving applause. 

The off for 17 on 17 protest had been a real damp squib with only a dozen or so 
fans leaving their seats - pointless waste of time (when they returned there 
was some argy bargy with the stewards) If we are going to protest things it 
needs to be better organised and better supported than this Second half we 
started and stayed on the back foot and when they got one back after only 
10minutes we feared the worse (I predicted 2 -4 at that stage) but we stuck to 
our task. Bridcutt looking like the real deal (he is very small - same height 
as Cook) and made Evans prediction of him ' being the best midfielder in the 
Division' a genuine  belief rather than total hyperbole.
They had a couple of chances that Silvestri saved well - he really is a good 
shot stopper but needs to command his area much much better- and Cooper and 

Re: [LU] Hull

[Robinson, Mick]

So when they left after 17 mins do you think they were really going to redeem 
their Pie Voucher ???

:-)

-Original Message-
From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On 
Behalf Of nat...@sky.com
Sent: 05 December 2015 20:17
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] Hull

Wow - we were not expecting that result. Pre match I had said to a mate in the  
 pub that even if, by some miracle we won today, and we agreed it would take a 
minor miracle, that it would not mean anything and all our problems , on and 
off the pitch would remain. Having said that we won and it was great. The first 
victory my son has seen this season (he missed Cardiff)  and overall we 
deserved it and  we LOVED it.
Yes, we lived dangerously at times and they missed a sitter (from a Snoddy 
cross) at the end that would have gained them a point, but from start to finish 
we gave it everything and all the players gave it their best, and, all things 
considered that is all we can ask for.
In the  pub (and we were there very early so bear that in mind) I did say I 
would like to see both Adeyemi and Bridcutt in front of the back four with Wood 
up top on his own supported by Cook, Mowatt and Dallas  (OK i wanted Byram in 
place of Wooton from the start) so when we took our places I had to admit that 
if it did not work I had no suggestions to make things better given that it was 
the team I wanted.
From the off,and for the full 90 really, Hull showed how much better than us 
they are, and showed us how much we need to improve to get to that level. 
Luckily for us football is not just about being the better players etc, and 
today the strong blustery wind made it hard for both teams. They passed it 
around and cut us apart a few times, either the wind , a poor final ball or the 
attacker not quite being there meant that we had a few narrow escapes as the 
ball flashed across our 6 yard box with no-one getting the needed touch.
We had a couple of good moves of our own and this game was won in a 15minute 
spell just before half time. a brilliant through ball by Cook, showing why he 
is such a good prospect, fed Dallas who had to run onto it and he put a great 
cross in that Wood met well and hammered home. A great goal (similar to 
Huddersfield with Antenuccis goal) I had tried to defend Wood pre game but his 
overall play in recent games makes that hard. Today  he took his goal well and 
was a threat throughout and held the ball up and won his flick-ons. There is 
still hope for him despite some fans being on his back. Then a moment that we 
thought would be the defining one but in the end counted for nothing - Mowatt 
won the ball and fired a shot that their keeper just stood and watched, unlike 
Cardiff and Hudds this one hit the woodwork and bounced to safety. Oh how we 
could have done with a second we thought. Then a corner was played, in a 
practised move, to Cook at the edge of the box and his shot was parried 
straight to Adeyemi who slotted home - 2 up at time. Off to rapturous , if 
slightly disbelieving applause. 

The off for 17 on 17 protest had been a real damp squib with only a dozen or so 
fans leaving their seats - pointless waste of time (when they returned there 
was some argy bargy with the stewards) If we are going to protest things it 
needs to be better organised and better supported than this Second half we 
started and stayed on the back foot and when they got one back after only 
10minutes we feared the worse (I predicted 2 -4 at that stage) but we stuck to 
our task. Bridcutt looking like the real deal (he is very small - same height 
as Cook) and made Evans prediction of him ' being the best midfielder in the 
Division' a genuine  belief rather than total hyperbole.
They had a couple of chances that Silvestri saved well - he really is a good 
shot stopper but needs to command his area much much better- and Cooper and 
Bellusci put in last ditch tackles to save the points. We continued to threaten 
a bit, albeit on the back foot, and Adeyemi had a chance to wrap it all up  but 
basically bottled it when put through. Murphy, Byram and Doukara all came on, 
mainly to waste time (Silvestri got booked for taking too long) as we watched 
the clock tick down slower and slower. Snoddy came on for them to good applause 
an put in one cross that should have brought the equaliser but the Hull player 
headed wide and we breathed again.
The final whistle was met with cheers of delight, relief and disbelief. The 
whole ground rising to greet our heroes.
Yes they are better than us but we won and that is all that counts tonight - a 
hard fought and hard won but deserved victory, one that papers over the cracks 
but who cares, let us all enjoy tonight
11 heroes out there today (plus the subs)  - especially pleased to see Wood 
have a good game and get a goal and Bridcutt was probably our MOM but they all 
gave it everything and they (and we) got the rewards today. Great stuff Dave 

Re: [LU] Hull

[rhys hodge]

Thanks for another great report Dave. Us overseas listers really appreciate 
these. As a Kiwi I am especially pleased that Wood had a better game today

MOT

Rhys

On Sun, 6/12/15, nat...@sky.com  wrote:

 Subject: [LU] Hull
 To: "Leeds List" 
 Date: Sunday, 6, December, 2015, 9:17 AM
 
 Wow - we were not expecting that
 result. Pre match I had said to a mate in the   pub that
 even if, by some miracle we won today, and we agreed it
 would take a minor miracle, that it would not mean anything
 and all our problems , on and off the pitch would remain.
 Having said that we won and it was great. The first victory
 my son has seen this season (he missed Cardiff)  and
 overall we deserved it and  we LOVED it.
 Yes, we lived dangerously at times and they missed a sitter
 (from a Snoddy cross) at the end that would have gained them
 a point, but from start to finish we gave it everything and
 all the players gave it their best, and, all things
 considered that is all we can ask for.
 In the  pub (and we were there very early so bear that in
 mind) I did say I would like to see both Adeyemi and
 Bridcutt in front of the back four with Wood up top on his
 own supported by Cook, Mowatt and Dallas  (OK i wanted
 Byram in place of Wooton from the start) so when we took our
 places I had to admit that if it did not work I had no
 suggestions to make things better given that it was the team
 I wanted.
 From the off,and for the full 90 really, Hull showed how
 much better than us they are, and showed us how much we need
 to improve to get to that level. Luckily for us football is
 not just about being the better players etc, and today the
 strong blustery wind made it hard for both teams. They
 passed it around and cut us apart a few times, either the
 wind , a poor final ball or the attacker not quite being
 there meant that we had a few narrow escapes as the ball
 flashed across our 6 yard box with no-one getting the needed
 touch.
 We had a couple of good moves of our own and this game was
 won in a 15minute spell just before half time. a brilliant
 through ball by Cook, showing why he is such a good
 prospect, fed Dallas who had to run onto it and he put a
 great cross in that Wood met well and hammered home. A great
 goal (similar to Huddersfield with Antenuccis goal) I had
 tried to defend Wood pre game but his overall play in recent
 games makes that hard. Today  he took his goal well and was
 a threat throughout and held the ball up and won his
 flick-ons. There is still hope for him despite some fans
 being on his back. Then a moment that we thought would be
 the defining one but in the end counted for nothing - Mowatt
 won the ball and fired a shot that their keeper just stood
 and watched, unlike Cardiff and Hudds this one hit the
 woodwork and bounced to safety. Oh how we could have done
 with a second we thought. Then a corner was played, in a
 practised move, to Cook at the edge of the box and his shot
 was parried straight to Adeyemi who slotted home - 2 up at
 time. Off to rapturous , if slightly disbelieving applause.
 
 
 The off for 17 on 17 protest had been a real damp squib with
 only a dozen or so fans leaving their seats - pointless
 waste of time (when they returned there was some argy bargy
 with the stewards) If we are going to protest things it
 needs to be better organised and better supported than this
 Second half we started and stayed on the back foot and when
 they got one back after only 10minutes we feared the worse
 (I predicted 2 -4 at that stage) but we stuck to our task.
 Bridcutt looking like the real deal (he is very small - same
 height as Cook) and made Evans prediction of him ' being the
 best midfielder in the Division' a genuine  belief rather
 than total hyperbole.
 They had a couple of chances that Silvestri saved well - he
 really is a good shot stopper but needs to command his area
 much much better- and Cooper and Bellusci put in last ditch
 tackles to save the points. We continued to threaten a bit,
 albeit on the back foot, and Adeyemi had a chance to wrap it
 all up  but basically bottled it when put through. Murphy,
 Byram and Doukara all came on, mainly to waste time
 (Silvestri got booked for taking too long) as we watched the
 clock tick down slower and slower. Snoddy came on for them
 to good applause an put in one cross that should have
 brought the equaliser but the Hull player headed wide and we
 breathed again.
 The final whistle was met with cheers of delight, relief and
 disbelief. The whole ground rising to greet our heroes.
 Yes they are better than us but we won and that is all that
 counts tonight - a hard fought and hard won but deserved
 victory, one that papers over the cracks but who cares, let
 us all enjoy tonight
 11 heroes out there today (plus the subs)  - especially
 pleased to see Wood have a good game and get a goal and
 Bridcutt was probably our MOM but they all gave it
 everything and they (and we

Re: [LU] Hull

[Rob Heath]

Great report as alwayshugely appreciated.

Perfectly fleshed out the details from the nerve-wracking basics i had
received via livescore on the bus from HK airport into the city.

On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 4:17 AM, nat...@sky.com  wrote:

> Wow - we were not expecting that result. Pre match I had said to a mate in
> the   pub that even if, by some miracle we won today, and we agreed it
> would take a minor miracle, that it would not mean anything and all our
> problems , on and off the pitch would remain. Having said that we won and
> it was great. The first victory my son has seen this season (he missed
> Cardiff)  and overall we deserved it and  we LOVED it.
> Yes, we lived dangerously at times and they missed a sitter (from a Snoddy
> cross) at the end that would have gained them a point, but from start to
> finish we gave it everything and all the players gave it their best, and,
> all things considered that is all we can ask for.
> In the  pub (and we were there very early so bear that in mind) I did say
> I would like to see both Adeyemi and Bridcutt in front of the back four
> with Wood up top on his own supported by Cook, Mowatt and Dallas  (OK i
> wanted Byram in place of Wooton from the start) so when we took our places
> I had to admit that if it did not work I had no suggestions to make things
> better given that it was the team I wanted.
> From the off,and for the full 90 really, Hull showed how much better than
> us they are, and showed us how much we need to improve to get to that
> level. Luckily for us football is not just about being the better players
> etc, and today the strong blustery wind made it hard for both teams. They
> passed it around and cut us apart a few times, either the wind , a poor
> final ball or the attacker not quite being there meant that we had a few
> narrow escapes as the ball flashed across our 6 yard box with no-one
> getting the needed touch.
> We had a couple of good moves of our own and this game was won in a
> 15minute spell just before half time. a brilliant through ball by Cook,
> showing why he is such a good prospect, fed Dallas who had to run onto it
> and he put a great cross in that Wood met well and hammered home. A great
> goal (similar to Huddersfield with Antenuccis goal) I had tried to defend
> Wood pre game but his overall play in recent games makes that hard. Today
> he took his goal well and was a threat throughout and held the ball up and
> won his flick-ons. There is still hope for him despite some fans being on
> his back. Then a moment that we thought would be the defining one but in
> the end counted for nothing - Mowatt won the ball and fired a shot that
> their keeper just stood and watched, unlike Cardiff and Hudds this one hit
> the woodwork and bounced to safety. Oh how we could have done with a second
> we thought. Then a corner was played, in a practised move, to Cook at the
> edge of the box and his shot was parried straight to Adeyemi who slotted
> home - 2 up at time. Off to rapturous , if slightly disbelieving applause.
>
> The off for 17 on 17 protest had been a real damp squib with only a dozen
> or so fans leaving their seats - pointless waste of time (when they
> returned there was some argy bargy with the stewards) If we are going to
> protest things it needs to be better organised and better supported than
> this
> Second half we started and stayed on the back foot and when they got one
> back after only 10minutes we feared the worse (I predicted 2 -4 at that
> stage) but we stuck to our task. Bridcutt looking like the real deal (he is
> very small - same height as Cook) and made Evans prediction of him ' being
> the best midfielder in the Division' a genuine  belief rather than total
> hyperbole.
> They had a couple of chances that Silvestri saved well - he really is a
> good shot stopper but needs to command his area much much better- and
> Cooper and Bellusci put in last ditch tackles to save the points. We
> continued to threaten a bit, albeit on the back foot, and Adeyemi had a
> chance to wrap it all up  but basically bottled it when put through.
> Murphy, Byram and Doukara all came on, mainly to waste time (Silvestri got
> booked for taking too long) as we watched the clock tick down slower and
> slower. Snoddy came on for them to good applause an put in one cross that
> should have brought the equaliser but the Hull player headed wide and we
> breathed again.
> The final whistle was met with cheers of delight, relief and disbelief.
> The whole ground rising to greet our heroes.
> Yes they are better than us but we won and that is all that counts tonight
> - a hard fought and hard won but deserved victory, one that papers over the
> cracks but who cares, let us all enjoy tonight
> 11 heroes out there today (plus the subs)  - especially pleased to see
> Wood have a good game and get a goal and Bridcutt was probably our MOM but
> they all gave it everything and they (and we) got the rewards today. Great

Re: [LU] Hull or arsenal??

[Mike Alcock]

Tricky. I live and work in London and am surrounded by plastic Arsenal fans, 
but on the other hand...the thought of Hull winning the FA cup as many times as 
us is pretty horrific.

Can it just stay as a draw?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 17 May 2014, at 19:11, "Verner Hanna (Jnr)"  
> wrote:
> 
> 2
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Ian Murray" 
> Sent: ‎17/‎05/‎2014 18:58
> To: "Ed Morrish" 
> Cc: "Leeds List" 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Hull or arsenal??
> 
> 2!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 18 May 2014, at 1:24, "Ed Morrish"  wrote:
>> 
>> 2. They provide more entertainment, for one thing; also, it's one thing for 
>> Leeds to fail, but for smaller clubs to actually win stuff really rubs that 
>> in.
>> 
>>> On 17 May 2014, at 18:09, Matt Anderson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Straw poll 
>>> 
>>> 1 hull
>>> 2 arsenal 
>>> 3 don't care
>>> 
>>> I lived in hull so...
>>> 
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Re: [LU] Hull or arsenal??

[Verner Hanna (Jnr)]

2

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From: "Ian Murray" 
Sent: ‎17/‎05/‎2014 18:58
To: "Ed Morrish" 
Cc: "Leeds List" 
Subject: Re: [LU] Hull or arsenal??

2!

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> On 18 May 2014, at 1:24, "Ed Morrish"  wrote:
> 
> 2. They provide more entertainment, for one thing; also, it's one thing for 
> Leeds to fail, but for smaller clubs to actually win stuff really rubs that 
> in.
> 
>> On 17 May 2014, at 18:09, Matt Anderson  wrote:
>> 
>> Straw poll 
>> 
>> 1 hull
>> 2 arsenal 
>> 3 don't care
>> 
>> I lived in hull so...
>> 
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Re: [LU] Hull or arsenal??

[Ian Murray]

2!

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> On 18 May 2014, at 1:24, "Ed Morrish"  wrote:
> 
> 2. They provide more entertainment, for one thing; also, it's one thing for 
> Leeds to fail, but for smaller clubs to actually win stuff really rubs that 
> in.
> 
>> On 17 May 2014, at 18:09, Matt Anderson  wrote:
>> 
>> Straw poll 
>> 
>> 1 hull
>> 2 arsenal 
>> 3 don't care
>> 
>> I lived in hull so...
>> 
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Re: [LU] Hull or arsenal??

[Ed Morrish]

2. They provide more entertainment, for one thing; also, it's one thing for 
Leeds to fail, but for smaller clubs to actually win stuff really rubs that in.

> On 17 May 2014, at 18:09, Matt Anderson  wrote:
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> Straw poll 
> 
> 1 hull
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> 
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Re: [LU] Hull or arsenal??

[Andy Clayton]

1= Yorkshire

And what a cracking game the first half was!

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Re: [LU] Hull

[Dr Michael Benjamin]

IMO it's all over bar the shooting.
Yesterday's notes were 'yes but not now'. Even Bates would not neglect the
team so badly if he were staying. He may try squeeze his last hurrah out of
the Everton gate money.
So I cannot see Colin walking now. I am sure he is disgusted and fed up.
But he were to do a walk about it would have been a long time ago and not
now.
Even I am amazed at Bates's complete lack of morals and scruples. Whoever
gave this Malicious Stoat the 'fit & proper' attestation should be publicly
discredited.
Hillsborough showed that there is a hell of a lot of responsibility in
running a club. Much more than gouging and working round every rule in the
book. His latest escapade with WY plods shows just how little he cares and
to what lengths he'll go to get some more money and bugger everything else.
That and screwing the ambulance service in his Houdini miraculous
bankruptcy.
An out and out piece of malignant shit who should never have been allowed
near ER. Especially after that stinking bankruptcy.
Michael
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On 19 September 2012 19:24, Phill Shields  wrote:

>
> Dave,
>
> sorry to bring you back down to earth.
>
> Bates clearly wants to sell the club for as much possible with a minimum
> of input from him. It is the loyalty of our supporters that have made him
> look like he is managing us well because we continue to turn up in our
> numbers paying inflated prices for what has been a v poor product. LUST has
> shown that he has basically diverted money made on players to invest in
> bricks & mortar which he continues to insist are not owned by him. Just
> like if you or I were renting a property we would invest lots of money in
> it to increase the value for the owner.
>
> The bottom line is that Bates will not pay big money transfers and our
> wages are not attractive to the better players. If Pompey hadnt gone tits
> up do you really think Colin would have got players of that quality from
> anywhere else?
>
> Speaking of which I thought Pearce was excellent last night, Diouf is
> class and Austin always puts in a shift. Kenny is the best keeper outside
> the PL.
>
> If Colin is not allowed to bring in cover for McCormack I think he will go
> and I don't think any of us can blame him. Bates knew he wasnt a yes man
> when he appointed him so he should back him with whatever resources he
> needs.
>
> God help us on Saturday.
>
> Phill
>
> MOT
>
> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:44:08 +0100
> From: david.nat...@btinternet.com
> Subject: Re: [LU] Hull
> To: phillshie...@hotmail.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org
>
> To be honest I was quite drunk last night but I did enjoy it -maybe my
> expectations are just so low these days!
> I agree re Warnock, his comments about not being allowed to bring in
>  anyone on even a short team loan to cover for Ross does have an element of
> the 'final straw'
> I think he was promised backing from Bates /new owners and it has not been
> forthcoming. He really wants to get that one last promotion for his cv and
> wants it to be with us but it looking less and less likely now.
> I really cannot understand why we can't seem to compete with anyone in
> this league givne that we are allegedly debt free and must bring in more
> money than an yone else with our crowds and the prices we pay.I know some
> have sugar daddy owners a la Cardiff or Prem parachute payments but the
> latter also have palyers on massive (for Championship ) wages. The only
> reason I can think of is Bates - surely he must go and go soon.
> I think Colin also expected to be playing to almost full houses not the
> 19k we had last night (yes I know that it was one of the biggest crowds of
> the night but not good for Leeds United) and that is another thing that
> will be upsetting him - he absolutely (and quite rightly) raves over our
> unparalled away support.
> Dodgy times indeed down in LS11 with no light at the end of the tunnel in
> sight.
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> From: Phill Shields 
> To: "david.nat...@btinternet.com" ; "
> leedslist@gn.apc.org" 
> Sent: Wednesday, 19 September 2012, 15:18
> Subject: RE: [LU] Hull
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dave,
>
> I always enjoy your match reports but I think you may have had your beer
> goggles on last night mate.
>
>
>
> More worrying was Colin's behaviour 

Re: [LU] Hull

[Phill Shields]

Dave,

sorry to bring you back down to earth. 

Bates clearly wants to sell the club for as much possible with a minimum of 
input from him. It is the loyalty of our supporters that have made him look 
like he is managing us well because we continue to turn up in our numbers 
paying inflated prices for what has been a v poor product. LUST has shown that 
he has basically diverted money made on players to invest in bricks & mortar 
which he continues to insist are not owned by him. Just like if you or I were 
renting a property we would invest lots of money in it to increase the value 
for the owner.

The bottom line is that Bates will not pay big money transfers and our wages 
are not attractive to the better players. If Pompey hadnt gone tits up do you 
really think Colin would have got players of that quality from anywhere else?

Speaking of which I thought Pearce was excellent last night, Diouf is class and 
Austin always puts in a shift. Kenny is the best keeper outside the PL.

If Colin is not allowed to bring in cover for McCormack I think he will go and 
I don't think any of us can blame him. Bates knew he wasnt a yes man when he 
appointed him so he should back him with whatever resources he needs.

God help us on Saturday.

Phill

MOT

Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:44:08 +0100
From: david.nat...@btinternet.com
Subject: Re: [LU] Hull
To: phillshie...@hotmail.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org

To be honest I was quite drunk last night but I did enjoy it -maybe my 
expectations are just so low these days!
I agree re Warnock, his comments about not being allowed to bring in  anyone on 
even a short team loan to cover for Ross does have an element of the 'final 
straw'
I think he was promised backing from Bates /new owners and it has not been 
forthcoming. He really wants to get that one last promotion for his cv and 
wants it to be with us but it looking less and less likely now.
I really cannot understand why we can't seem to compete with anyone in this 
league givne that we are allegedly debt free and must bring in more money than 
an yone else with our crowds and the prices we pay.I know some have sugar daddy 
owners a la Cardiff or Prem parachute payments but the latter also have palyers 
on massive (for Championship ) wages. The only reason I can think of is Bates - 
surely he must go and go soon.
I think Colin also expected to be playing to almost full houses not the 19k we 
had last night (yes I know that it was one of the biggest crowds of the night 
but not good for Leeds United) and that is another thing that will be upsetting 
him - he absolutely (and quite rightly) raves over our unparalled away support.
Dodgy times indeed down in LS11 with no light at the end of the tunnel in sight.
Dave




From: Phill Shields 
To: "david.nat...@btinternet.com" ; 
"leedslist@gn.apc.org"  
Sent: Wednesday, 19 September 2012, 15:18
Subject: RE: [LU] Hull






Dave,

I always enjoy your match reports but I think you may have had your beer 
goggles on last night mate. 

 

More worrying was Colin's behaviour last night. He was very subdued on the the 
touchline and looked thoroughly pissed off. Me thinks he might be off.

  
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Re: [LU] Hull

[DAVID NATTAN]

To be honest I was quite drunk last night but I did enjoy it -maybe my 
expectations are just so low these days!
I agree re Warnock, his comments about not being allowed to bring in  anyone on 
even a short team loan to cover for Ross does have an element of the 'final 
straw'
I think he was promised backing from Bates /new owners and it has not been 
forthcoming. He really wants to get that one last promotion for his cv and 
wants it to be with us but it looking less and less likely now.
I really cannot understand why we can't seem to compete with anyone in this 
league givne that we are allegedly debt free and must bring in more money than 
an yone else with our crowds and the prices we pay.I know some have sugar daddy 
owners a la Cardiff or Prem parachute payments but the latter also have palyers 
on massive (for Championship ) wages. The only reason I can think of is Bates - 
surely he must go and go soon.
I think Colin also expected to be playing to almost full houses not the 19k we 
had last night (yes I know that it was one of the biggest crowds of the night 
but not good for Leeds United) and that is another thing that will be upsetting 
him - he absolutely (and quite rightly) raves over our unparalled away support.
Dodgy times indeed down in LS11 with no light at the end of the tunnel in sight.
Dave



From: Phill Shields 
To: "david.nat...@btinternet.com" ; 
"leedslist@gn.apc.org"  
Sent: Wednesday, 19 September 2012, 15:18
Subject: RE: [LU] Hull


Dave,

I always enjoy your match reports but I think you may have had your beer 
goggles on last night mate. 



More worrying was Colin's behaviour last night. He was very subdued on the the 
touchline and looked thoroughly pissed off. Me thinks he might be off.
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Phill Shields]

Dave,

I always enjoy your match reports but I think you may have had your beer 
goggles on last night mate. 

Apart from 1st 10-15 minutes we were out battled, out played and out thought. 
Their forwards and midfielders easily won their personal battles and though 
they did not create that many chances they took control as soon as they 
levelled the score.

Tonge was invisible and I have given up on Varney, did he miss that sitter when 
we were 1-0 up? Koran is simply in a different league to any of our midfielders.

Our defence last night was very much Grasyhonesque. Peltier, Lees and White had 
shockers. 

More worrying was Colin's behaviour last night. He was very subdued on the the 
touchline and looked thoroughly pissed off. Me thinks he might be off.

Forest will be a much tougher proposition on Saturday and I expect nothing 
based on our last 2 performances.

Regards

Phill

MOT

> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:21:34 +0100
> From: david.nat...@btinternet.com
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: [LU] Hull
> 
> Well the Tuesday night jinx has struck again and despite hopes that Colin 
> had, at least, sorted out the defence we conceded 3 goals at home for the 
> second game in succession. A look at the (albeit early) table shows that 
> after the game with Forest this coming Saturday we will have played 5 of the 
> top 6 teams. To date we have taken one point from the four games against the 
> top teams, and six from the other two games - Wolves (12th place) and rock 
> bottom pointless (in every sense of the word) Peterborough. Not a great start.
> Having said that we have been unlucky with injuries - Ross and Drury missing 
> out last night along with Green and Norris - and there is a general feeling 
> that we are only a couple of good players away from being a decent team.
> I know I am biased and very much watch game with rose tinted (beer and 
> prescription drug addled) glasses, but I thought we deserved at least a point 
> last night and were the better team for big patches of the game , being let 
> down once again by very poor defending. We began brightly cheered on by a 
> very sparse crowd - 19,000- and then Diouf who was involved in most of the 
> good things we did last night, went on a run and was tripped as he went into 
> the box. |The ref seemed to ignore it but the lino waved his flag furiously 
> and after a conflab between the two of them a penalty was given. Becchio 
> stepped up and confidently hit it home. We continued to dominate (the ref 
> stopping the game for an alleged injury to one of theirs who made a miracle 
> recovery and came straight back on)
> Then we failed to clear the ball in our area and as it bounced around 2 of 
> our players (one was White) both went for it at the same time and it broke 
> clear to the unmarked striker who smacked it home. Then 10minutes later a 
> straightforward cross into the box was misjudged by Pearce ,leaving the 
> forward with a free header that he tucked away. 2 soft goals - both 
> reminiscent of what went on under both McAllister and Grayson - so different 
> managers, different players but same old mistakes. The 2 goals rocked us and 
> the half ended with us making no real chances. After a slow start to the 
> second half Becchio went down and was subbed. Somewhat surprisingly Poleon 
> came on rather than Gray and to be fair he does look to have something about 
> him and is one for the future.The fact that he is in the squad now shows how 
> light we are. We then had our best spell of the game with Poleon causing them 
> problems. We were on top and an equaliser looked on the cards - a
>  great move down our right which looked very promising was brought to a 
> sudden halt as the ref blew because one of theirs was lying on the floor on 
> the half way line near the dug outs. Now I don't want to see another Foe or 
> Muamba etc but surely if the player was in real difficulty someone on the 
> bench would have seen it and run on to treat him ? The break took all the 
> momentum out of us and the fans with the game being restarted with us kicking 
> the ball out of touch for them. The dying player - well, surprise once he got 
> to the touchline he made a miraculous recovery and came straight back on. 
> Gamesmanship at its worst - have we learnt nothing from the Olympics ? We 
> were still moaning about the injustice of it when they had a flowing move 
> which caught us napping and the ball fell to their striker unmarked in the 6 
> yard box for a tap in.
> So instead of us possibly getting back on level terms it was 1 3 and game 
> over. Well not quite . Gray came on for the latest fans scapegoat , Varney, 
> and we pressed for the goals we needed. At least we showed spirit and it was 
> rewarded when a cross was well met by Gray who headed home - a good finish 
> but it was too little too late.
> Another home midweek defeat and worryingly an injury to the other half of our 
> preferred strike force - we will be in trouble if B

Re: [LU] Hull

[Ian Murray]

Wakey doesn't want him.

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On 17 Aug 2011, at 13:18, markbu...@aol.com wrote:

> Alan Smith was born in Wakefield. He does want to come, but Newcastle want  
> us to pay £1m of his wages. Ken won't pay. Stalemate, though the deal is 
> not  dead as I understand it.
> 
> 1 - David Stockdale, who we early signed.
> 6 - Richard Naylor!
> 9 - Caleb Folan?
> 
>>> 1: ?
> 2: Richards
> 3: White
> 4: Howson
> 5: Lees
> 6:  ?
> 7: Lennon
> 8: Cleverley
> 9: ?
> 10: Milner
> 11:  Sam
> 
> Bench
> Smith (he didn't want to come and he's no  goalscorer!)<<
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Matt Anderson]

The  80s early 90s,  drinking in Horsforth pubs,  going to the Warehouse
every Friday and Saturday night, listening to Cud, Bridewells, Wedding
Present, Nightmares on wax, LFO, guy called Gerald etc... watching the 90
world cup in the  faversham... passing my driving test and  hanging around
with girls from Otley and Ilkley  that was truly magical!

-Original Message-
From: Dr. Michael Benjamin. [mailto:beden...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 17 August 2011 10:21
To: Matt Anderson
Cc: Brendan Osborne; Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Hull

Story of my life Matt. Strange but the winds of spring in our area remind me
of that time. 
Let's hope that we go back. What a time it was. Leeds United in the Winter
and Yorkshire in the summer. Then the WC.  And the music   It was truly
magical. 

Sent from my iPhone. 
D"r Michael Benjamin. 
Community  Psychiatrist. 

On 17 Aug 2011, at 11:53, "Matt Anderson"  wrote:

> I like west ham's style of play too because it is sh1t and never won 
> them anything.
> 
> However the west ham way is a bit of a myth,  curbishley, Pardew, 
> grant didn't play exciting football.  You are thinking back to the 60s.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org 
> [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Dr. Michael Benjamin.
> Sent: 17 August 2011 09:46
> To: Brendan Osborne
> Cc: Leeds List
> Subject: Re: [LU] Hull
> 
> Actually I was very pleased. In a series of personal shit that was the 
> first good thing.
> Maybe things are changing. 
> I was simply wondering. There are a lot of Leeds people or Leeds linked. 
> Billy was from Scotland. 
> No grousing at all. 
> WHU should be interesting. I always liked their style of play. Hope 
> that Allardyce has wrecked all that.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone. 
> D"r Michael Benjamin. 
> Community  Psychiatrist. 
> 
> On 17 Aug 2011, at 11:26, Brendan Osborne  wrote:
> 
>> Sorry Mike, it's got to be said. WE WON LAST NIGHT. 4-1! Playing 
>> 4-4-2 it
> seems. 4 different goalscorers!!  Can't you celebrate that and change 
> the record for 24 hours?
>> 
>> Personally I don't need Leeds born or Leeds products on the field, if 
>> we
> had eleven Senegalese on the pitch I'd be delighted if we were winning!
>> 
>> I'm sure you recommend a little "perspective" from time to time eh?
> Physician, heal thyself!!!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ossie! 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Who's this donkey?
>>> I know of a malignant Stoat
>>> How many Leeds products including Keogh and Leeds born can we field
>>> 
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Re: [LU] Hull

[MarkBursa]

Alan Smith was born in Wakefield. He does want to come, but Newcastle want  
us to pay £1m of his wages. Ken won't pay. Stalemate, though the deal is 
not  dead as I understand it.
 
1 - David Stockdale, who we early signed.
6 - Richard Naylor!
9 - Caleb Folan?
 
>>1: ?
2: Richards
3: White
4: Howson
5: Lees
6:  ?
7: Lennon
8: Cleverley
9: ?
10: Milner
11:  Sam

Bench
Smith (he didn't want to come and he's no  goalscorer!)<<
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Tim Leslie]

Alan Smith, Aaron Lennon robbo's no good - Beverley! That's nearly abroad!!!

So

1: ?
2: Richards
3: White
4: Howson
5: Lees
6: ?
7: Lennon
8: Cleverley
9: ?
10: Milner
11: Sam

Bench
Smith (he didn't want to come and he's no goalscorer!)

Not a bad 'return to the Premiership team' for next season! :-)

On 17 Aug 2011, at 12:01, Tim Leslie  wrote:

> I was wondering the other day about one thing that Dr Mike mentions. A 
> currently playing, viable Leeds born Leeds team! Please feel free to add but:
> 
> Micah Richards
> Johnny howson
> Lloyd Sam
> James Milner
> Tom cleverley (I think)
> Tom lees
> Aidy White
> 
> Actually this team is starting to look decent! Can you imagine, in today's 
> money grabbing, self centric world a team of local lads running out ... Oh 
> man I've gone a bit misty eyed
> 
> StigoftheLocalDump
> 
> On 17 Aug 2011, at 09:26, Brendan Osborne  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Sorry Mike, it's got to be said. WE WON LAST NIGHT. 4-1! Playing 4-4-2 it 
>> seems. 4 different goalscorers!!  Can't you celebrate that and change the 
>> record for 24 hours? Personally I don't need Leeds born or Leeds products on 
>> the field, if we had eleven Senegalese on the pitch I'd be delighted if we 
>> were winning! I'm sure you recommend a little "perspective" from time to 
>> time eh? Physician, heal thyself!!!   Ossie! 
>>> 
>>> Who's this donkey?
>>> I know of a malignant Stoat
>>> How many Leeds products including Keogh  and Leeds born can we field
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone. 
>>> D"r Michael Benjamin. 
>>> Community  Psychiatrist. 
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Kitching, Mark]

Really? Oh, bizzare, could have sworn he was in the same Rothwell team as Smith?

From: Jim Moran [mailto:j...@jimmoran.co.uk]
Sent: 17 August 2011 12:37
To: Kitching, Mark
Cc: Tim Leslie; Brendan Osborne; Leeds List; 
Subject: Re: [LU] Hull

Robinson's from Beverley.
On 17 August 2011 12:34, Kitching, Mark 
mailto:mark.kitch...@bskyb.com>> wrote:
Alan Smith, Aaron Lennon, Paul Robinson.

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[mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org<mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>] On 
Behalf Of Tim Leslie
Sent: 17 August 2011 12:01
To: Brendan Osborne
Cc: Leeds List; mailto:beden...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: [LU] Hull
I was wondering the other day about one thing that Dr Mike mentions. A 
currently playing, viable Leeds born Leeds team! Please feel free to add but:

Micah Richards
Johnny howson
Lloyd Sam
James Milner
Tom cleverley (I think)
Tom lees
Aidy White

Actually this team is starting to look decent! Can you imagine, in today's 
money grabbing, self centric world a team of local lads running out ... Oh man 
I've gone a bit misty eyed

StigoftheLocalDump

On 17 Aug 2011, at 09:26, Brendan Osborne 
mailto:bosborn...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

>
> Sorry Mike, it's got to be said. WE WON LAST NIGHT. 4-1! Playing 4-4-2 it 
> seems. 4 different goalscorers!!  Can't you celebrate that and change the 
> record for 24 hours? Personally I don't need Leeds born or Leeds products on 
> the field, if we had eleven Senegalese on the pitch I'd be delighted if we 
> were winning! I'm sure you recommend a little "perspective" from time to time 
> eh? Physician, heal thyself!!!   Ossie!
>>
>> Who's this donkey?
>> I know of a malignant Stoat
>> How many Leeds products including Keogh  and Leeds born can we field
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone.
>> D"r Michael Benjamin.
>> Community  Psychiatrist.
>>
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Jim Moran]

Robinson's from Beverley.

On 17 August 2011 12:34, Kitching, Mark  wrote:

> Alan Smith, Aaron Lennon, Paul Robinson.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org]
> On Behalf Of Tim Leslie
> Sent: 17 August 2011 12:01
> To: Brendan Osborne
> Cc: Leeds List; 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Hull
>
> I was wondering the other day about one thing that Dr Mike mentions. A
> currently playing, viable Leeds born Leeds team! Please feel free to add
> but:
>
> Micah Richards
> Johnny howson
> Lloyd Sam
> James Milner
> Tom cleverley (I think)
> Tom lees
> Aidy White
>
> Actually this team is starting to look decent! Can you imagine, in today's
> money grabbing, self centric world a team of local lads running out ... Oh
> man I've gone a bit misty eyed
>
> StigoftheLocalDump
>
> On 17 Aug 2011, at 09:26, Brendan Osborne  wrote:
>
> >
> > Sorry Mike, it's got to be said. WE WON LAST NIGHT. 4-1! Playing 4-4-2 it
> seems. 4 different goalscorers!!  Can't you celebrate that and change the
> record for 24 hours? Personally I don't need Leeds born or Leeds products on
> the field, if we had eleven Senegalese on the pitch I'd be delighted if we
> were winning! I'm sure you recommend a little "perspective" from time to
> time eh? Physician, heal thyself!!!   Ossie!
> >>
> >> Who's this donkey?
> >> I know of a malignant Stoat
> >> How many Leeds products including Keogh  and Leeds born can we field
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone.
> >> D"r Michael Benjamin.
> >> Community  Psychiatrist.
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Kitching, Mark]

Alan Smith, Aaron Lennon, Paul Robinson.

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Tim Leslie
Sent: 17 August 2011 12:01
To: Brendan Osborne
Cc: Leeds List; 
Subject: Re: [LU] Hull

I was wondering the other day about one thing that Dr Mike mentions. A 
currently playing, viable Leeds born Leeds team! Please feel free to add but:

Micah Richards
Johnny howson
Lloyd Sam
James Milner
Tom cleverley (I think)
Tom lees
Aidy White

Actually this team is starting to look decent! Can you imagine, in today's 
money grabbing, self centric world a team of local lads running out ... Oh man 
I've gone a bit misty eyed

StigoftheLocalDump

On 17 Aug 2011, at 09:26, Brendan Osborne  wrote:

> 
> Sorry Mike, it's got to be said. WE WON LAST NIGHT. 4-1! Playing 4-4-2 it 
> seems. 4 different goalscorers!!  Can't you celebrate that and change the 
> record for 24 hours? Personally I don't need Leeds born or Leeds products on 
> the field, if we had eleven Senegalese on the pitch I'd be delighted if we 
> were winning! I'm sure you recommend a little "perspective" from time to time 
> eh? Physician, heal thyself!!!   Ossie! 
>> 
>> Who's this donkey?
>> I know of a malignant Stoat
>> How many Leeds products including Keogh  and Leeds born can we field
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone. 
>> D"r Michael Benjamin. 
>> Community  Psychiatrist. 
>> 
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Tim Leslie]

I was wondering the other day about one thing that Dr Mike mentions. A 
currently playing, viable Leeds born Leeds team! Please feel free to add but:

Micah Richards
Johnny howson
Lloyd Sam
James Milner
Tom cleverley (I think)
Tom lees
Aidy White

Actually this team is starting to look decent! Can you imagine, in today's 
money grabbing, self centric world a team of local lads running out ... Oh man 
I've gone a bit misty eyed

StigoftheLocalDump

On 17 Aug 2011, at 09:26, Brendan Osborne  wrote:

> 
> Sorry Mike, it's got to be said. WE WON LAST NIGHT. 4-1! Playing 4-4-2 it 
> seems. 4 different goalscorers!!  Can't you celebrate that and change the 
> record for 24 hours? Personally I don't need Leeds born or Leeds products on 
> the field, if we had eleven Senegalese on the pitch I'd be delighted if we 
> were winning! I'm sure you recommend a little "perspective" from time to time 
> eh? Physician, heal thyself!!!   Ossie! 
>> 
>> Who's this donkey?
>> I know of a malignant Stoat
>> How many Leeds products including Keogh  and Leeds born can we field
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone. 
>> D"r Michael Benjamin. 
>> Community  Psychiatrist. 
>> 
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Dr. Michael Benjamin.]

Story of my life Matt. Strange but the winds of spring in our area remind me of 
that time. 
Let's hope that we go back. What a time it was. Leeds United in the Winter and 
Yorkshire in the summer. Then the WC.  And the music   It was truly magical. 

Sent from my iPhone. 
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Community  Psychiatrist. 

On 17 Aug 2011, at 11:53, "Matt Anderson"  wrote:

> I like west ham's style of play too because it is sh1t and never won them
> anything.  
> 
> However the west ham way is a bit of a myth,  curbishley, Pardew, grant
> didn't play exciting football.  You are thinking back to the 60s.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
> Behalf Of Dr. Michael Benjamin. 
> Sent: 17 August 2011 09:46
> To: Brendan Osborne
> Cc: Leeds List
> Subject: Re: [LU] Hull
> 
> Actually I was very pleased. In a series of personal shit that was the first
> good thing. 
> Maybe things are changing. 
> I was simply wondering. There are a lot of Leeds people or Leeds linked. 
> Billy was from Scotland. 
> No grousing at all. 
> WHU should be interesting. I always liked their style of play. Hope that
> Allardyce has wrecked all that. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone. 
> D"r Michael Benjamin. 
> Community  Psychiatrist. 
> 
> On 17 Aug 2011, at 11:26, Brendan Osborne  wrote:
> 
>> Sorry Mike, it's got to be said. WE WON LAST NIGHT. 4-1! Playing 4-4-2 it
> seems. 4 different goalscorers!!  Can't you celebrate that and change the
> record for 24 hours?
>> 
>> Personally I don't need Leeds born or Leeds products on the field, if we
> had eleven Senegalese on the pitch I'd be delighted if we were winning!
>> 
>> I'm sure you recommend a little "perspective" from time to time eh?
> Physician, heal thyself!!!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ossie! 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Who's this donkey?
>>> I know of a malignant Stoat
>>> How many Leeds products including Keogh and Leeds born can we field
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone. 
>>> D"r Michael Benjamin. 
>>> Community Psychiatrist. 
>>> 
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Brendan Osborne]

GREAT! Good to hear it!! Just looked to me like you picked the one negative 
from Rich's mainly positive report (keep them coming, Rich) and ran with it to 
make a tenuous link to everyone's favourite Smurf!!! Did you see the publicity 
pic of Allardyce recently holding up a shirt with his name on the back - except 
they didn't get all the letters in so imagine BIG SAM holding up a shirt with 
the legend: "LARDY" on the back! :-)  MOT!! Ossie 
 > CC: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org
> From: beden...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [LU] Hull
> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 11:46:22 +0300
> To: bosborn...@hotmail.com
> 
> Actually I was very pleased. In a series of personal shit that was the first 
> good thing. 
> Maybe things are changing. 
> I was simply wondering. There are a lot of Leeds people or Leeds linked. 
> Billy was from Scotland. 
> No grousing at all. 
> WHU should be interesting. I always liked their style of play. Hope that 
> Allardyce has wrecked all that. 
> > > 
  
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Matt Anderson]

I like west ham's style of play too because it is sh1t and never won them
anything.  

However the west ham way is a bit of a myth,  curbishley, Pardew, grant
didn't play exciting football.  You are thinking back to the 60s.



-Original Message-
From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
Behalf Of Dr. Michael Benjamin. 
Sent: 17 August 2011 09:46
To: Brendan Osborne
Cc: Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Hull

Actually I was very pleased. In a series of personal shit that was the first
good thing. 
Maybe things are changing. 
I was simply wondering. There are a lot of Leeds people or Leeds linked. 
Billy was from Scotland. 
No grousing at all. 
WHU should be interesting. I always liked their style of play. Hope that
Allardyce has wrecked all that. 

Sent from my iPhone. 
D"r Michael Benjamin. 
Community  Psychiatrist. 

On 17 Aug 2011, at 11:26, Brendan Osborne  wrote:

> Sorry Mike, it's got to be said. WE WON LAST NIGHT. 4-1! Playing 4-4-2 it
seems. 4 different goalscorers!!  Can't you celebrate that and change the
record for 24 hours?
>  
> Personally I don't need Leeds born or Leeds products on the field, if we
had eleven Senegalese on the pitch I'd be delighted if we were winning!
>  
> I'm sure you recommend a little "perspective" from time to time eh?
Physician, heal thyself!!!
>  
>  
>  
> Ossie! 
>  
> > 
> > Who's this donkey?
> > I know of a malignant Stoat
> > How many Leeds products including Keogh and Leeds born can we field
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone. 
> > D"r Michael Benjamin. 
> > Community Psychiatrist. 
> > 
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Re: [LU] Hull

[einar]

I guess I am about the only one not bothered by the Bates
ownership. I am happy to know we have a club that is OK
financially and we have been progressing by the year. I
believe we have good players at the club and a good
manager. We have some young players I would love to see
progress: Lees, White, Gradel, Snodgrass, Howson, Clayton,
Nunez, Somma. We also have a few "older" players I think it
will be hard replacing (Lonergan, Kisnorbo). Getting in a
rich owner would mean higher profile transfers, benching or
selling one or more of the players I like to and want to
watch.

Yes - we still have areas to improve, but getting a
promotion is tricky. There are 10-15 teams that all believe
they have the opertunity and right to get promoted and we
are one contender in that group. Promotion may take a few
years, but with the current strategy and management we will
get there.

Einar.

On Wed, 17 Aug 2011 08:26:57 +
 Brendan Osborne  wrote:
> 
> Sorry Mike, it's got to be said. WE WON LAST NIGHT. 4-1!
> Playing 4-4-2 it seems. 4 different goalscorers!!  Can't
> you celebrate that and change the record for 24 hours?
> Personally I don't need Leeds born or Leeds products on
> the field, if we had eleven Senegalese on the pitch I'd
> be delighted if we were winning! I'm sure you recommend a
> little "perspective" from time to time eh? Physician,
> heal thyself!!!   Ossie! 
>  > 
> > Who's this donkey?
> > I know of a malignant Stoat
> > How many Leeds products including Keogh  and Leeds born
> can we field
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone. 
> > D"r Michael Benjamin. 
> > Community  Psychiatrist. 
> > 
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Dr. Michael Benjamin.]

Actually I was very pleased. In a series of personal shit that was the first 
good thing. 
Maybe things are changing. 
I was simply wondering. There are a lot of Leeds people or Leeds linked. 
Billy was from Scotland. 
No grousing at all. 
WHU should be interesting. I always liked their style of play. Hope that 
Allardyce has wrecked all that. 

Sent from my iPhone. 
D"r Michael Benjamin. 
Community  Psychiatrist. 

On 17 Aug 2011, at 11:26, Brendan Osborne  wrote:

> Sorry Mike, it's got to be said. WE WON LAST NIGHT. 4-1! Playing 4-4-2 it 
> seems. 4 different goalscorers!!  Can't you celebrate that and change the 
> record for 24 hours?
>  
> Personally I don't need Leeds born or Leeds products on the field, if we had 
> eleven Senegalese on the pitch I'd be delighted if we were winning!
>  
> I'm sure you recommend a little "perspective" from time to time eh? 
> Physician, heal thyself!!!
>  
>  
>  
> Ossie! 
>  
> > 
> > Who's this donkey?
> > I know of a malignant Stoat
> > How many Leeds products including Keogh and Leeds born can we field
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone. 
> > D"r Michael Benjamin. 
> > Community Psychiatrist. 
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Brendan Osborne]

Sorry Mike, it's got to be said. WE WON LAST NIGHT. 4-1! Playing 4-4-2 it 
seems. 4 different goalscorers!!  Can't you celebrate that and change the 
record for 24 hours? Personally I don't need Leeds born or Leeds products on 
the field, if we had eleven Senegalese on the pitch I'd be delighted if we were 
winning! I'm sure you recommend a little "perspective" from time to time eh? 
Physician, heal thyself!!!   Ossie! 
 > 
> Who's this donkey?
> I know of a malignant Stoat
> How many Leeds products including Keogh  and Leeds born can we field
> 
> Sent from my iPhone. 
> D"r Michael Benjamin. 
> Community  Psychiatrist. 
> 
  
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Dr. Michael Benjamin.]

Who's this donkey?
I know of a malignant Stoat
How many Leeds products including Keogh  and Leeds born can we field

Sent from my iPhone. 
D"r Michael Benjamin. 
Community  Psychiatrist. 

On 17 Aug 2011, at 09:44, Richard Walker  wrote:

> A few thoughts before I go to work.
> 
> 4-4-2 -how refreshing. 
> 
> O'Dea is a centre back and did ok. I would still like to see Lees and 
> Kisnorbo as our no 1 pairing.
> 
> I thought we played with high energy and both Snodgrass and Nunez were on 
> their game.
> 
> Although we won comfortably this game really was closer than the scoreline 
> suggests. Our keeper made some great saves at 3-1 to ensure we protected the 
> 2 goal lead.
> 
> Really happy with Lees who was unlucky with the own goal but then made up the 
> other end. There were some things he did though that made me think that he is 
> uncomfortable at right back.
> 
> Brown was the only one who disappointed for me. I think he's lost his pace 
> and I'd bring in Howson for the weekend but leave Max on the bench.
> 
> McCormack had his best game in a Leeds shirt - helped by the hard working 
> Keogh, who didn't set the world on fire but gave good support and did well. 
> Both are better options than the donkey so long may it continue. We played 
> some good stuff last night and there was some great interchange play between 
> midfield and attack, none that could have happened with the static donkey up 
> front. This is a step forward from last season and the 4-5-1. Let's hope 
> Grayson learns from it.
> 
> I disagree about Aidy White - I thought he did really well against a tricky 
> Hull winger who eventually got dragged off because he was getting no change 
> out of White. You've also got to remember that was his first game for ages 
> for us.
> 
> WIsh I was going to London this weekend. Don't play it safe Simon, let's go 
> for em.
> 
> Ken Bates comments were a disgrace but completely expected. 
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] Hull

[DAVID NATTAN]

Just seen the incident on LUTV- it was 0 0 at the time. Becchio had a shot and 
keeper in middle of area tipped it up and over himself - ran back and caught it 
"on" the line. I have watched it a few times and paused it and it looks over 
the line. Keepers feet are well inside the goal and a defender in front if him 
also has his feet over the line goal sidebut both are anlging their bodies 
forward. Hard to tell and is very close but I reckon technology would have 
given it. 2 Leeds players do half claim it but no great appeal so yes I think 
we were robbed but was very hard to tell and so I suppose lino could not be 
sure and correctly gave them the benefit of the doubt.
 
Dave
--- On Wed, 2/2/11, Ted  wrote:


From: Ted 
Subject: Re: [LU] Hull
To: "Leeds List" 
Date: Wednesday, 2 February, 2011, 22:18


At work today (in Hull), I was talking (independently) to two Hull fans who
went and were sat in line with the goal line (at opposite sides to each
other) at the opposite end of the ground from us Leeds fans - they both said
that in the first half their goalie made a save but when he caught the ball
it was over the goal line.

Can't say I remember, or saw, the incident from my position near the front
of "our" end.  Might have made a difference if the ref saw it.

Did anyone else see it?

Ted H
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Ted]

At work today (in Hull), I was talking (independently) to two Hull fans who
went and were sat in line with the goal line (at opposite sides to each
other) at the opposite end of the ground from us Leeds fans - they both said
that in the first half their goalie made a save but when he caught the ball
it was over the goal line.

Can't say I remember, or saw, the incident from my position near the front
of "our" end.  Might have made a difference if the ref saw it.

Did anyone else see it?

Ted H
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Re: [LU] Hull result

[Kneale, Andy]

Overall, a point away is a fairly good result.  I think we may just get edged 
out of the playoffs, but before a ball was kicked this season, I was just 
hoping for survival.  Paper said it was Somma's 10th goal this season, which is 
pretty impressive, given the short amount of time he's actually been on the 
pitch.

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Re: [LU] Hull result

[Jeremy Adams]

I agree with whoever said they thought the outgoings were so we could get some 
decent loans in. The if we go up the loans could possibly become permanent, if 
we don't then we're not saddled with some higher salaried players.
All I know is I trust Grayson, sure he's made mistakes and he has his blind 
spots but all managers have them.
Best (just for Tim)
Jeremy 

> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 15:56:17 +0100
> From: brendan.mcwilli...@vodafone.com
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] Hull result
> 
> Unless you have visibility of the salaries, there's simply no way to judge 
> how KB is spending (or not) any monies that come in?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On 
> Behalf Of Dr. Michael Benjamin. 
> Sent: miércoles, 02 de febrero de 2011 15:51
> To: DAVID DOWDEN
> Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] Hull result
> 
> Saved it for…
> Nothing that well see. The guy has systematically lied and trousered the 
> money. 
> What was the latest song and dance about having made money from the cup. As 
> far as I see we are making money for three years and it has left not a trace. 
> For an example wheres the money from Delph? There are millions missing, not 
> to mention that Leeds is far worth more than the ten million he put in. 
> At least the ManU Yanks can show you where everything is. We haven't a clue 
> who does what with what to whom. 
> To progress we have to rid ourselves of this cynical cockney poison dwarf. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> D"r Michael Benjamin 
> Community  Psychiatry
> 
> On 2 Feb 2011, at 16:24, DAVID DOWDEN  wrote:
> 
> > sounded grim first 20 mins (managed to get yorkshire radio on new HTC 
> > phone) 
> > ,however a point is bloody good after 2 nil down.
> >  
> > Ken must have pulled in a few quid this year . lower wages , good crowds , 
> > maybe 
> > saving for re paint of bogs , or plans for new complex.
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Re: [LU] Hull result

[McWilliams, Brendan, VF-Group (bmcwill)]

Unless you have visibility of the salaries, there's simply no way to judge how 
KB is spending (or not) any monies that come in?


-Original Message-
From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On 
Behalf Of Dr. Michael Benjamin. 
Sent: miércoles, 02 de febrero de 2011 15:51
To: DAVID DOWDEN
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Hull result

Saved it for…
Nothing that well see. The guy has systematically lied and trousered the money. 
What was the latest song and dance about having made money from the cup. As far 
as I see we are making money for three years and it has left not a trace. For 
an example wheres the money from Delph? There are millions missing, not to 
mention that Leeds is far worth more than the ten million he put in. 
At least the ManU Yanks can show you where everything is. We haven't a clue who 
does what with what to whom. 
To progress we have to rid ourselves of this cynical cockney poison dwarf. 


Sent from my iPhone
D"r Michael Benjamin 
Community  Psychiatry

On 2 Feb 2011, at 16:24, DAVID DOWDEN  wrote:

> sounded grim first 20 mins (managed to get yorkshire radio on new HTC phone) 
> ,however a point is bloody good after 2 nil down.
>  
> Ken must have pulled in a few quid this year . lower wages , good crowds , 
> maybe 
> saving for re paint of bogs , or plans for new complex.
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Re: [LU] Hull result

[Dr. Michael Benjamin.]

Saved it for…
Nothing that well see. The guy has systematically lied and trousered the money. 
What was the latest song and dance about having made money from the cup. As far 
as I see we are making money for three years and it has left not a trace. For 
an example wheres the money from Delph? There are millions missing, not to 
mention that Leeds is far worth more than the ten million he put in. 
At least the ManU Yanks can show you where everything is. We haven't a clue who 
does what with what to whom. 
To progress we have to rid ourselves of this cynical cockney poison dwarf. 


Sent from my iPhone
D"r Michael Benjamin 
Community  Psychiatry

On 2 Feb 2011, at 16:24, DAVID DOWDEN  wrote:

> sounded grim first 20 mins (managed to get yorkshire radio on new HTC phone) 
> ,however a point is bloody good after 2 nil down.
>  
> Ken must have pulled in a few quid this year . lower wages , good crowds , 
> maybe 
> saving for re paint of bogs , or plans for new complex.
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Ian Murray]

Didn't think this was a bad performance - certainly a massive  
improvment on the dross home form we've had of late.


Gradel looked lively and Snodgrass is clearly finding some form. There  
were periods in which we passed the ball quickly and confidently -  
thanks in no small part to the inclusion of Kilkenny. We really  
noticed the difference when he was taken off.


Howson contributed little - he needs some consistency. Johnson - good  
strike for the goal but the OG was a bit of a joke. Can't really agree  
with Rich that he was at fault for their first goal. That was the best  
strike we've seen this season and you just can't legislate for that. I  
would have Kilkenny start ahead of him every time though.


Becchio - excellent piece of skill to set up Johnson for the  
equaliser!! He was pretty poor all told. Won nowt in the air and nowt  
stuck to him. Think Paynter deserves a shot playing his role.


Defensively we look more confident with O'Brien in there. Listeningto  
him interviewed before cov got the impression he is keen to stay as  
long as poss so extend please.


Hull were shit - I think they will struggle this year. Had the  
misfortune of getting caught up with their fans going in to the  
ground. Good job I've had my jabs is all I can say.


I

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Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 20:06:53 +
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Phill Shields]

As usual Richard I agree with most of your observations. I do think Hull are 
the worst team I have seen at ER this year. I didn rate any of their players 
and frankly they got away with robbery last night. from start to finish we were 
the better team and, again, SG's tactics come under scrutiny in my view.
 
The point has already been made about why we played with 1 striker against 
Hull. Ok he brought on Somma but their defence was sitting pretty deep and that 
doesnt suit Somma who likes a bit of grass in front of him. I thought he should 
have tried Paynter with Becchio and when they went down to 10 men, even at 2-1, 
he should have took off a defender and put on an extra striker. He let them off 
the hook last night.
 
He really should fuck Bradley Johnson off and let him rot in the reserves for 
the remainder of his contract. The gormless c*nt had time to take that corner 
down and walk it out of the area and yet he needlessly scores an O.G. He 
shouldnt play before Sam or Watt in my view because he simply isn good enough.
 
Notwithstanding the tactics I was very pleased with the peformance. For me the 
jury is still out on the defence because I could have done a shift last night 
against that lot. They were really shit.
 
Regards
 
Phill
MOT
 
> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 23:04:17 +
> From: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
> To: j...@jimmoran.co.uk; thecas...@bigpond.com
> CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: [LU] Hull
> 
> I thought this was a pretty entertaining game and a definite improvement on 
> recent home performances. I’ll start with the positives as this was a game of 
> many however for every good thing there was at least one mistake to match. I 
> thought the defence was better, more solid, certainly not perfect but I think 
> Grayson should stick with that back four now and stop changing things at the 
> back. You couldn’t really blame the back 4 for either of the goals. Their 
> first 
> was a stupid tackle from Johnson giving them a 30 yard free kick. I thought 
> Schmeichel was a bit lapse with his wall organisation , he seemed to be 
> peeping 
> round the other side when Bostock stuck it in the top corner, a great 
> free-kick. 
> The second in the last few minutes was from a corner. Again the brain dead 
> Bradley Johnson threw his trusty left boot at it, he completely missed it and 
> sliced it into the top of the net. Complete school boy error. 
> 
>  
> I thought we started the game really well with the midfield moving and 
> passing 
> very effectively however there wasn’t much end product. Hull were also lively 
> in 
> the first half and caused us a few problems on the break. I thought they were 
> a 
> decent team and have one or two very good players. We didn’t create that many 
> chances but the ones we did were squandered including Becchio obligatory free 
> header in the 6 yard box that he unbelievably put up into the air when it was 
> easier to score. Our equaliser when it came was deserved. Becchio pounced on 
> to 
> a ball , tried to control it but it hit is knee and bounced off into the path 
> of 
> Johnson who cracked it along the floor into the bottom corner. Good strike 
> and 
> good to see a Johnson strike that doesn’t end up in row z.  The main problem 
> with our first half performance was the formation / tactics. Why play with a 
> lone striker at home against a struggling Hull team ? Ok, we’ve won away with 
> the same system but come on Simon use your head ? Becchio is totally 
> ineffective 
> as a lone striker, he won nothing in the air tonight and they were completely 
> dominant against him (not hard to do !). To Grayson’s credit he realised this 
> and tried to change things second half by pushing the lively Gradel alongside 
> Becchio up front. I like Gradel, yes he can be inconsistent , yes he can be 
> frustrating but he works hard and really puts himself about a bit. He’s also 
> pretty decent in the air for a small lad – better than his strike partner. 
> 
>  
> I thought it was a strange decision to drag Gradel off after 70 minutes to be 
> replaced by Somma. Surely Becchio would have been the better bet. Grayson 
> eventually hauled Becchio off with 5 minutes to go to be replaced by Paynter 
> – 
> pointless. 
> 
>  
> Our second goal came from header from O’Brien after good work from Snodgrass. 
> We should have gone further ahead when Johnson was unmarked in the 6 yard box 
> but put his header wide, bad miss. 
> 
>  
> They then had a man sent off for 2 yellows and all of a sudden we decided to 
> play possession football in our own half. Just knew what would happen and it 
> did. 
> 
>  
> Scores:
>  
> Schmeicel – 5. Had little to do other than pick the ball out of the net twice 
> and some long range kicking. I think he needs to sort out his defensive walls 
> better. I watched a later freekicj by Bostock where the players had no idea 
> what 
> he was asking of them. 
> 
>  
> Connolly – 7. I thought he did well tonight. Looked solid. 
>  
> B

Re: [LU] Hull

[David Woolmer]

Well taking this year's results

Derby - Sat evening KO - lost
Millwall - traditional Sat KO - won
Swansea - traditional Sat KO - won
Sheff Utd - traditional Sat KO - won
Preston - Tues eve - lost
Leicester - Tues eve - lost
Cardiff - Mon eve - lost
Hull - Tues eve - drew (but felt like a loss)

So this season every traditional Sat KO we have won, and every
non-traditional Sat 3pm KO we have lost (plus last night's draw).

Augers well for Bristol on Saturday at least!




On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Robert Heath  wrote:
> I heard mention earlier of a Tuesday night hoodoo.
>
> Too lazy to figure it out for mesen...anybody know the facts? I
> know the Preston wreck was on a Tuewhat else is there?
>
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[Robert Heath]

I heard mention earlier of a Tuesday night hoodoo.

Too lazy to figure it out for mesen...anybody know the facts? I 
know the Preston wreck was on a Tuewhat else is there?
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Richard Walker]

It was a decent effort - side footed , floating effort , never going in. If it 
had been lower the keeper would have saved it. That was the sum total of his 
efforts for the night ... oh sorry, I forgot , he fell over about 10 times, 
moaned he was fouled 10 times and was offside about 5 times. Usual performance. 






From: Robert Heath 
To: Richard Walker ; Jim Moran ; 
Peter Cass 
Cc: LEEDSLIST 
Sent: Wed, 10 November, 2010 8:58:04
Subject: Re: [LU] Hull


Interesting perspectives:

Yorkshire Post: "and Becchio curled the ball against 
City's bar in the 55th minute, a clever effort from outside the area."

Walker:  One or two ineffective knock downs and a speculative sfloating side 

footer that hit the bar were his contributions. 
>


  
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Re: [LU] Hull

[David Woolmer]

Maybe it is partly that Becchio is more effective away from home, when
you have spells in a match where you just need that lump up front to
take the battering and give an outlet - it doesn't need to be pretty
just enough to occupy the opposing centre backs. He does slog away
ceaselessly.

At home, when the onus is on us to unlock teams and show more wit and
craft, and space can often be more cramped in the final third, his
lack of finesse and touch is exposed.

Or maybe he's just rubbish.

Agree the constant singing of the Becchio song is irritating. You'd
think given a home town boy has just scored a brilliant hat-trick we
could dream up a chant for Howson.

Agree the back 4 were solid, and I would also stick with them for a
good spell now. I just think it's difficult to say how good they were
as Hull were rubbish. The next 3 games will give us a better idea.




On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Richard Walker
 wrote:
> I agree with most you've written but I think when you consider Hull didn't
> really create a decent chance I think you have to give credit to the back 4. 
> The
> 2 goals were a bit freaky.
>
>
(Rich you are being a bit
churlish about that one, the keeper was beaten). It was screaming out
for us to get men bombing down the wings with fresh men in the middle.
>
> As I said it was a decent effort but the keeper was beaten because it hit the
> bar. Any lower and the keeper would have got it from my view. Anyway as you 
> say
> Becchio was labouring for most of the match and should have been replaced
> eariler .. in fact not picked at all. The crowd signing hisname every two
> minutes is right getting on my tits.
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: David Woolmer 
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Sent: Wed, 10 November, 2010 10:50:48
> Subject: [LU] Hull
>
> Not often I find Rich W being more optimistic than me in his match reports!
>
> I thought this was an absolutely diabolical result. Make no mistake
> Hull were rubbish. They didn't look capable of scoring a goal all
> night and yet we contrived to gift them 2. Schmeichel made a complete
> dogs dinner of organising his wall for the first (he hasn't looked at
> the races since he came back from injury) and god only knows what
> Johnson was doing for the 2nd.
>
> Too annoyed at the performance to say much more, other than complete
> astonishment at how bad Grayson's in match tactics were last night. He
> abandoned the 4-5-1 which had been so effective in our last 2 matches
> almost immediately when we went behind - you don't get the impression
> he likes the system at all, and he grabs the first chance he gets to
> go 4-4-2.
>
> But then sticking Gradel through the middle is a complete waste. The
> guy was on fire down the wing at Scunny and Cov. He is vastly less
> effective through he middle. Johnson seemed to be kept on solely
> because he scored - he was hopeless otherwise. Everyone around me was
> saying take off Johnson, put Gradel back out wide and bring on Somma.
> Yet no. And what the hell was the point in bringing Paynter on for
> Becchio after 89 minutes? Becchio was labouring all second half, other
> than one very good effort against the bar (Rich you are being a bit
> churlish about that one, the keeper was beaten). It was screaming out
> for us to get men bombing down the wings with fresh men in the middle.
>
> Ironically given my above rant we did actually look more solid as a
> back four, but I don't know whether we can read much intio that as
> Hull were so powder puff up front.
>
> Hull were completely there for the taking. A very bad 2 points
> dropped. Let's hope a return to a Saturday 3pm kick off can change our
> home form.
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Re: [LU] Hull

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

don't believe what you read in the papers...you should know that by now.
 
I enjoyed last night (mostly) but then I was pissed.
 
Kilkenny - what a joy to see a footballer in a white shirt.

 

On 10 November 2010 at 08:58 Robert Heath  wrote:

> Interesting perspectives:
>
> Yorkshire Post: "and Becchio curled the ball against
> City's bar in the 55th minute, a clever effort from outside the area."
>
> Walker:  One or two ineffective knock downs and a speculative sfloating side
>   footer that hit the bar were his contributions.
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Richard Walker]

I agree with most you've written but I think when you consider Hull didn't 
really create a decent chance I think you have to give credit to the back 4. 
The 
2 goals were a bit freaky. 


>>>(Rich you are being a bit
>>>churlish about that one, the keeper was beaten). It was screaming out
>>>for us to get men bombing down the wings with fresh men in the middle.

As I said it was a decent effort but the keeper was beaten because it hit the 
bar. Any lower and the keeper would have got it from my view. Anyway as you say 
Becchio was labouring for most of the match and should have been replaced 
eariler .. in fact not picked at all. The crowd signing hisname every two 
minutes is right getting on my tits.  





- Original Message 
From: David Woolmer 
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Sent: Wed, 10 November, 2010 10:50:48
Subject: [LU] Hull

Not often I find Rich W being more optimistic than me in his match reports!

I thought this was an absolutely diabolical result. Make no mistake
Hull were rubbish. They didn't look capable of scoring a goal all
night and yet we contrived to gift them 2. Schmeichel made a complete
dogs dinner of organising his wall for the first (he hasn't looked at
the races since he came back from injury) and god only knows what
Johnson was doing for the 2nd.

Too annoyed at the performance to say much more, other than complete
astonishment at how bad Grayson's in match tactics were last night. He
abandoned the 4-5-1 which had been so effective in our last 2 matches
almost immediately when we went behind - you don't get the impression
he likes the system at all, and he grabs the first chance he gets to
go 4-4-2.

But then sticking Gradel through the middle is a complete waste. The
guy was on fire down the wing at Scunny and Cov. He is vastly less
effective through he middle. Johnson seemed to be kept on solely
because he scored - he was hopeless otherwise. Everyone around me was
saying take off Johnson, put Gradel back out wide and bring on Somma.
Yet no. And what the hell was the point in bringing Paynter on for
Becchio after 89 minutes? Becchio was labouring all second half, other
than one very good effort against the bar (Rich you are being a bit
churlish about that one, the keeper was beaten). It was screaming out
for us to get men bombing down the wings with fresh men in the middle.

Ironically given my above rant we did actually look more solid as a
back four, but I don't know whether we can read much intio that as
Hull were so powder puff up front.

Hull were completely there for the taking. A very bad 2 points
dropped. Let's hope a return to a Saturday 3pm kick off can change our
home form.
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Robert Heath]

Interesting perspectives:

Yorkshire Post: "and Becchio curled the ball against 
City's bar in the 55th minute, a clever effort from outside the area."

Walker:  One or two ineffective knock downs and a speculative sfloating side 
  footer that hit the bar were his contributions. 

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Re: [LU] Hull

[Andy Pyzer]

Thanks for the match report fella, appreciate the effort for those of us 
abroad. Encouraged that the defence is looking better, concerned about an 
inconsistent midfield and ineffective strike force. I would still be happy if 
we stay in this division for this year and build a decent squad for the next 
season.
 
At least we are top 10, happy with that if not with the performances week in 
week out.


Andy Pyzer


 
> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 23:04:17 +
> From: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
> To: j...@jimmoran.co.uk; thecas...@bigpond.com
> CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: [LU] Hull
> 
> I thought this was a pretty entertaining game and a definite improvement on 
> recent home performances. I’ll start with the positives as this was a game of 
> many however for every good thing there was at least one mistake to match. I 
> thought the defence was better, more solid, certainly not perfect but I think 
> Grayson should stick with that back four now and stop changing things at the 
> back. You couldn’t really blame the back 4 for either of the goals. Their 
> first 
> was a stupid tackle from Johnson giving them a 30 yard free kick. I thought 
> Schmeichel was a bit lapse with his wall organisation , he seemed to be 
> peeping 
> round the other side when Bostock stuck it in the top corner, a great 
> free-kick. 
> The second in the last few minutes was from a corner. Again the brain dead 
> Bradley Johnson threw his trusty left boot at it, he completely missed it and 
> sliced it into the top of the net. Complete school boy error. 
> 
>  
> I thought we started the game really well with the midfield moving and 
> passing 
> very effectively however there wasn’t much end product. Hull were also lively 
> in 
> the first half and caused us a few problems on the break. I thought they were 
> a 
> decent team and have one or two very good players. We didn’t create that many 
> chances but the ones we did were squandered including Becchio obligatory free 
> header in the 6 yard box that he unbelievably put up into the air when it was 
> easier to score. Our equaliser when it came was deserved. Becchio pounced on 
> to 
> a ball , tried to control it but it hit is knee and bounced off into the path 
> of 
> Johnson who cracked it along the floor into the bottom corner. Good strike 
> and 
> good to see a Johnson strike that doesn’t end up in row z.  The main problem 
> with our first half performance was the formation / tactics. Why play with a 
> lone striker at home against a struggling Hull team ? Ok, we’ve won away with 
> the same system but come on Simon use your head ? Becchio is totally 
> ineffective 
> as a lone striker, he won nothing in the air tonight and they were completely 
> dominant against him (not hard to do !). To Grayson’s credit he realised this 
> and tried to change things second half by pushing the lively Gradel alongside 
> Becchio up front. I like Gradel, yes he can be inconsistent , yes he can be 
> frustrating but he works hard and really puts himself about a bit. He’s also 
> pretty decent in the air for a small lad – better than his strike partner. 
> 
>  
> I thought it was a strange decision to drag Gradel off after 70 minutes to be 
> replaced by Somma. Surely Becchio would have been the better bet. Grayson 
> eventually hauled Becchio off with 5 minutes to go to be replaced by Paynter 
> – 
> pointless. 
> 
>  
> Our second goal came from header from O’Brien after good work from Snodgrass. 
> We should have gone further ahead when Johnson was unmarked in the 6 yard box 
> but put his header wide, bad miss. 
> 
>  
> They then had a man sent off for 2 yellows and all of a sudden we decided to 
> play possession football in our own half. Just knew what would happen and it 
> did. 
> 
>  
> Scores:
>  
> Schmeicel – 5. Had little to do other than pick the ball out of the net twice 
> and some long range kicking. I think he needs to sort out his defensive walls 
> better. I watched a later freekicj by Bostock where the players had no idea 
> what 
> he was asking of them. 
> 
>  
> Connolly – 7. I thought he did well tonight. Looked solid. 
>  
> Bruce – 7. A few dodgy moments but also some good defending. 
>  
> O’Brien – 8. Calm under pressure, good solid defending. 
>  
> McCartney – 7. Decent game. 
>  
> Johnson – 5. Average footballer at best, brain dead, lacking in consistency 
> and 
> quality. Won’t sign his contract – thank God. 
> 
>  
> Snodgrass – 7. Better. Lively throughout especially at times in the first 
> half. 
> Still needs better fitness. 
> 
>  
> Howson – 6. A few good contributions but one bad miss first half and 
> generally 
> didn’t do enough. 
> 
>  
> Gradel – 7. Worked hard, effective first half. Tried hard when up front but 
> nothing really came off. 
> 
>  
> Becchio – 4. Totally ineffective as a target man. Won none of the 50:50 balls 
> in 
> the air. One or two ineffective knock downs and a speculative sfloating side 
> footer that hit the bar we

Re: [LU] Hull so far

[Dr. Michael Benjamin.]

1-1
Who?

Sent from my iPhone
D"r Michael Benjamin 
Community  Psychiatry

On 9 Nov 2010, at 22:15, Lee Jones  wrote:

> BBC reporting we've had  89% possession so far & they scored with 
> their only shot?
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Re: [LU] Hull so far

[Jim Moran]

1-1 Johnson




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