Re: First LOM twist

[Tim Ziegler]

o add this to the REVO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is what I did to mine. The first couple pix are before I
>>>>>> polished the
>>>>>> acme thread, and as you can see the after looks a lot better. A
>>>>>> little suggestion
>>>>>> from Bill about a Wire brush on mandrel worked way better then how I
>>>>>> had been
>>>>>> cleaning them up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 4:05 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you guys.  I can easily make what I need now for adapters and
>>>>>>> such.
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>> Here are the Y-axis stops that replace the flimsy stock ones.  These
>>>>>>> will not bend
>>>>>>> without destroying the rail!  1 1/2" x 1 1/2" x 1/4" angle iron
>>>>>>> machined to fit. Someday
>>>>>>> get inspired to paint them black.
>>>>>>> [image: REVOStops.JPG]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, on to some creative woodwork.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DanK
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 3:06:25 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sounds good Dan, keep the fires  burning for sure.
>>>>>>>> Its just nice to have that 1-8 to 5/8 adapter so you can use more
>>>>>>>> lom stuff if you can get it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>>>>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 12:01 PM Dan Krager 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I do not currently have a Shopsmith.  But it does seem that a 3"
>>>>>>>>> faceplate with four screw holes and a couple worm screw options would 
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> reasonable.  I can easily make that to fit the 5/8" REVO shaft and a 
>>>>>>>>> 5/8"
>>>>>>>>> stub in the Supershop R-8 collet. So there's that. I'll wait to have 
>>>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>>>> some creative work first. Just finishing up the beefy Y-axis stops, 
>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>> are modified 1/4" angle iron to get the "hand over head" stop wing 
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> makes more sense up there. Pictures when done.
>>>>>>>>> DanK
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 6:49:18 AM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> thanks Dan,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>>>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>>>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>>>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>>>>>>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 1

Re: First LOM twist

[Dan Krager]

guys.  I can easily make what I need now for adapters and 
>>>>>> such. 
>>>>>> .  
>>>>>> Here are the Y-axis stops that replace the flimsy stock ones.  These 
>>>>>> will not bend
>>>>>> without destroying the rail!  1 1/2" x 1 1/2" x 1/4" angle iron 
>>>>>> machined to fit. Someday
>>>>>> get inspired to paint them black.
>>>>>> [image: REVOStops.JPG]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, on to some creative woodwork. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DanK
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 3:06:25 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sounds good Dan, keep the fires  burning for sure. 
>>>>>>> Its just nice to have that 1-8 to 5/8 adapter so you can use more 
>>>>>>> lom stuff if you can get it. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>>>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 12:01 PM Dan Krager  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do not currently have a Shopsmith.  But it does seem that a 3" 
>>>>>>>> faceplate with four screw holes and a couple worm screw options would 
>>>>>>>> be 
>>>>>>>> reasonable.  I can easily make that to fit the 5/8" REVO shaft and a 
>>>>>>>> 5/8" 
>>>>>>>> stub in the Supershop R-8 collet. So there's that. I'll wait to have 
>>>>>>>> done 
>>>>>>>> some creative work first. Just finishing up the beefy Y-axis stops, 
>>>>>>>> which 
>>>>>>>> are modified 1/4" angle iron to get the "hand over head" stop wing 
>>>>>>>> that 
>>>>>>>> makes more sense up there. Pictures when done.  
>>>>>>>> DanK
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 6:49:18 AM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> thanks Dan,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>>>>>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 10:18 PM Dan Krager  
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> One of the first things I did was go to my collection of small 3 
>>>>>>>>>> jaw chucks and found 
>>>>>>>>>> a 3/8" capacity (and i stopped there, but I'm sure there's a 
>>>>>>>>>> bigger one in there somewhere)
>>>>>>>>>> that just screwed on the REVO.  I've considered putting a bigger 
>>>>>>>>>> chuck on the REVO, 
>>>>>>>>>> but for now and for me, why?  Not yet. For one thing I need to 
>>>>>>>>>> do  more woodwork with 
>>>>>>>>>> it to see, but my gut tells me the primitive "headstock" they put 
>>>>>>>>>> on this just isn't sturdy 
>>>>>>>>>> enough. So for interchangeability, I put on a small square drive 
>>>>>>>>>> pointed "chuck" (pictures 
>>>>>>>>>> in history) that grips well enough for the pressure put on it.  
>>>>>>>&g

Re: First LOM twist

[Tim Ziegler]

>>>>>> .
>>>>>>> Here are the Y-axis stops that replace the flimsy stock ones.  These
>>>>>>> will not bend
>>>>>>> without destroying the rail!  1 1/2" x 1 1/2" x 1/4" angle iron
>>>>>>> machined to fit. Someday
>>>>>>> get inspired to paint them black.
>>>>>>> [image: REVOStops.JPG]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, on to some creative woodwork.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DanK
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 3:06:25 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sounds good Dan, keep the fires  burning for sure.
>>>>>>>> Its just nice to have that 1-8 to 5/8 adapter so you can use more
>>>>>>>> lom stuff if you can get it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>>>>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 12:01 PM Dan Krager 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I do not currently have a Shopsmith.  But it does seem that a 3"
>>>>>>>>> faceplate with four screw holes and a couple worm screw options would 
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> reasonable.  I can easily make that to fit the 5/8" REVO shaft and a 
>>>>>>>>> 5/8"
>>>>>>>>> stub in the Supershop R-8 collet. So there's that. I'll wait to have 
>>>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>>>> some creative work first. Just finishing up the beefy Y-axis stops, 
>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>> are modified 1/4" angle iron to get the "hand over head" stop wing 
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> makes more sense up there. Pictures when done.
>>>>>>>>> DanK
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 6:49:18 AM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> thanks Dan,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>>>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>>>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>>>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>>>>>>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 10:18 PM Dan Krager 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> One of the first things I did was go to my collection of small 3
>>>>>>>>>>> jaw chucks and found
>>>>>>>>>>> a 3/8" capacity (and i stopped there, but I'm sure there's a
>>>>>>>>>>> bigger one in there somewhere)
>>>>>>>>>>> that just screwed on the REVO.  I've considered putting a bigger
>>>>>>>>>>> chuck on the REVO,
>>>>>>>>>>> but for now and for me, why?  Not yet. For one thing I need to
>>>>>>>>>>> do  more woodwork with
>>>>>>>>>>> it to see, but my gut tells me the primitive "headstock" they
>>>>>>>>>>> put on this just isn't sturdy
>>>>>>>>>>> enough. So for interchangeability, I put on a small square drive
>>>>>>>&g

Re: First LOM twist

[Dan Krager]

>
>>>>>>> Sounds good Dan, keep the fires  burning for sure. 
>>>>>>> Its just nice to have that 1-8 to 5/8 adapter so you can use more 
>>>>>>> lom stuff if you can get it. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>>>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 12:01 PM Dan Krager  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do not currently have a Shopsmith.  But it does seem that a 3" 
>>>>>>>> faceplate with four screw holes and a couple worm screw options would 
>>>>>>>> be 
>>>>>>>> reasonable.  I can easily make that to fit the 5/8" REVO shaft and a 
>>>>>>>> 5/8" 
>>>>>>>> stub in the Supershop R-8 collet. So there's that. I'll wait to have 
>>>>>>>> done 
>>>>>>>> some creative work first. Just finishing up the beefy Y-axis stops, 
>>>>>>>> which 
>>>>>>>> are modified 1/4" angle iron to get the "hand over head" stop wing 
>>>>>>>> that 
>>>>>>>> makes more sense up there. Pictures when done.  
>>>>>>>> DanK
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 6:49:18 AM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> thanks Dan,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>>>>>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 10:18 PM Dan Krager  
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> One of the first things I did was go to my collection of small 3 
>>>>>>>>>> jaw chucks and found 
>>>>>>>>>> a 3/8" capacity (and i stopped there, but I'm sure there's a 
>>>>>>>>>> bigger one in there somewhere)
>>>>>>>>>> that just screwed on the REVO.  I've considered putting a bigger 
>>>>>>>>>> chuck on the REVO, 
>>>>>>>>>> but for now and for me, why?  Not yet. For one thing I need to 
>>>>>>>>>> do  more woodwork with 
>>>>>>>>>> it to see, but my gut tells me the primitive "headstock" they put 
>>>>>>>>>> on this just isn't sturdy 
>>>>>>>>>> enough. So for interchangeability, I put on a small square drive 
>>>>>>>>>> pointed "chuck" (pictures 
>>>>>>>>>> in history) that grips well enough for the pressure put on it.  
>>>>>>>>>> And I modified one of my 
>>>>>>>>>> many Supershop lathe face plates to accept the REVO drive 
>>>>>>>>>> squares. I apply the REVO 
>>>>>>>>>> drive square to the workpiece, turn it on the lathe if I want, 
>>>>>>>>>> and then just move it to the 
>>>>>>>>>> REVO for further work. The lathe is SO much faster for round 
>>>>>>>>>> stuff.  Consistency in 
>>>>>>>>>> "production" is another matter, so there's options to address 
>>>>>>>>>> that at the REVO. I work 
>>>>>>>>>> mostly in one off pieces with only occasional multiples. 
>>>>&

Re: First LOM twist

[Tim Ziegler]

in there somewhere)
>>>>>>> that just screwed on the REVO.  I've considered putting a bigger
>>>>>>> chuck on the REVO,
>>>>>>> but for now and for me, why?  Not yet. For one thing I need to do
>>>>>>> more woodwork with
>>>>>>> it to see, but my gut tells me the primitive "headstock" they put on
>>>>>>> this just isn't sturdy
>>>>>>> enough. So for interchangeability, I put on a small square drive
>>>>>>> pointed "chuck" (pictures
>>>>>>> in history) that grips well enough for the pressure put on it.  And
>>>>>>> I modified one of my
>>>>>>> many Supershop lathe face plates to accept the REVO drive squares. I
>>>>>>> apply the REVO
>>>>>>> drive square to the workpiece, turn it on the lathe if I want, and
>>>>>>> then just move it to the
>>>>>>> REVO for further work. The lathe is SO much faster for round stuff.
>>>>>>> Consistency in
>>>>>>> "production" is another matter, so there's options to address that
>>>>>>> at the REVO. I work
>>>>>>> mostly in one off pieces with only occasional multiples.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Those large gripping chucks have a place, but not yet here. I have a
>>>>>>> small 4 jaw chuck
>>>>>>> that just screws on, but again, not yet. We'll see.
>>>>>>> DanK
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 10:54:56 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yea I bought one of those a few weeks  to fit my sc1 mini chuck to
>>>>>>>> my revo
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <
>>>>>>>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, 1 August 2022 12:17 PM
>>>>>>>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey Dan,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> More is better right lol!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  I have attached something else you may want to consider.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> These are sold through Penn State, very well made too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I actually am ordering a couple more so I actually can add one to
>>>>>>>> my Shopsmith,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And then I need one for a new secret I'm working on. Stay tuned.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.pennstateind.com/store/spindle-adapters.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>&

Re: First LOM twist

[Dan Krager]

Already did that before I used it because it was rusty.  I used these things 
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001F527SW?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details> 
and will not buy another wire wheel. 
 Worked beautifully and very fast with no wire bits flying around. Looks 
better than new.

I'm a long ways from putting a Y-axis screw on the carriage. Until I get 
some woodwork done and see a need,
"improvements" will wait. Need to see how the things I've done work 
together.

DanK

On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 9:51:37 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Dan,
>
> Now you need to add this to the REVO.
>
> This is what I did to mine. The first couple pix are before I polished the 
> acme thread, and as you can see the after looks a lot better. A little 
> suggestion 
> from Bill about a Wire brush on mandrel worked way better then how I had 
> been 
> cleaning them up. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 4:05 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
>> Thank you guys.  I can easily make what I need now for adapters and such. 
>> .  
>> Here are the Y-axis stops that replace the flimsy stock ones.  These will 
>> not bend
>> without destroying the rail!  1 1/2" x 1 1/2" x 1/4" angle iron machined 
>> to fit. Someday
>> get inspired to paint them black.
>> [image: REVOStops.JPG]
>>
>> Now, on to some creative woodwork. 
>>
>> DanK
>>
>>
>> On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 3:06:25 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds good Dan, keep the fires  burning for sure. 
>>> Its just nice to have that 1-8 to 5/8 adapter so you can use more lom 
>>> stuff if you can get it. 
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 12:01 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I do not currently have a Shopsmith.  But it does seem that a 3" 
>>>> faceplate with four screw holes and a couple worm screw options would be 
>>>> reasonable.  I can easily make that to fit the 5/8" REVO shaft and a 5/8" 
>>>> stub in the Supershop R-8 collet. So there's that. I'll wait to have done 
>>>> some creative work first. Just finishing up the beefy Y-axis stops, which 
>>>> are modified 1/4" angle iron to get the "hand over head" stop wing that 
>>>> makes more sense up there. Pictures when done.  
>>>> DanK
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 6:49:18 AM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> thanks Dan,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>
>>>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 10:18 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the first things I did was go to my collection of small 3 jaw 
>>>>>> chucks and found 
>>>>>> a 3/8" capacity (and i stopped there, but I'm sure there's a bigger 
>>>>>> one in there somewhere)
>>>>>> that just screwed on the REVO.  I've considered putting a bigger 
>>>>>> chuck on the REVO, 
>>>>>> but for now and for me, why?  Not yet. For one thing I need to do  
>>>>>> more woodwork with 
>>>>>> it to see, but my gut tells me the primitive "headstock" they put on 
>>>>>> this just isn't sturdy 
>>>>>> enough. So for interchangeability, I put on a small square drive 
>>>>>> pointed "chuck" (pictures 
>>>>>> in history) that grips well enough for the pressure put on it.  And I 
>>>>>> modified one of my 
>>>>>> many Supershop lathe face plates to accept the REVO drive squares. I 
>>>>>> apply the REVO 
>>>>>> drive squar

Re: First LOM twist

[Tim Ziegler]

yes for sure.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 5:43 PM  wrote:

> Yes I agree always good to have lots of options for your revo and loms
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 August 2022 5:06 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>
>
>
> Sounds good Dan, keep the fires  burning for sure.
>
> Its just nice to have that 1-8 to 5/8 adapter so you can use more lom
> stuff if you can get it.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 12:01 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
> I do not currently have a Shopsmith.  But it does seem that a 3" faceplate
> with four screw holes and a couple worm screw options would be reasonable.
> I can easily make that to fit the 5/8" REVO shaft and a 5/8" stub in the
> Supershop R-8 collet. So there's that. I'll wait to have done some creative
> work first. Just finishing up the beefy Y-axis stops, which are modified
> 1/4" angle iron to get the "hand over head" stop wing that makes more sense
> up there. Pictures when done.
>
> DanK
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 6:49:18 AM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> thanks Dan,
>
>
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 10:18 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
> One of the first things I did was go to my collection of small 3 jaw
> chucks and found
>
> a 3/8" capacity (and i stopped there, but I'm sure there's a bigger one in
> there somewhere)
>
> that just screwed on the REVO.  I've considered putting a bigger chuck on
> the REVO,
>
> but for now and for me, why?  Not yet. For one thing I need to do  more
> woodwork with
>
> it to see, but my gut tells me the primitive "headstock" they put on this
> just isn't sturdy
>
> enough. So for interchangeability, I put on a small square drive pointed
> "chuck" (pictures
>
> in history) that grips well enough for the pressure put on it.  And I
> modified one of my
>
> many Supershop lathe face plates to accept the REVO drive squares. I apply
> the REVO
>
> drive square to the workpiece, turn it on the lathe if I want, and then
> just move it to the
>
> REVO for further work. The lathe is SO much faster for round stuff.
> Consistency in
>
> "production" is another matter, so there's options to address that at the
> REVO. I work
>
> mostly in one off pieces with only occasional multiples.
>
>
>
> Those large gripping chucks have a place, but not yet here. I have a small
> 4 jaw chuck
>
> that just screws on, but again, not yet. We'll see.
>
> DanK
>
>
>
> On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 10:54:56 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>
> Yea I bought one of those a few weeks  to fit my sc1 mini chuck to my revo
>
>
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Monday, 1 August 2022 12:17 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>
>
>
> Hey Dan,
>
>
>
> More is better right lol!
>
>  I have attached something else you may want to consider.
>
> These are sold through Penn State, very well made too.
>
> I actually am ordering a couple more so I actually can add one to my
> Shopsmith,
>
> And then I need one for a new secret I'm working on. Stay tuned.
>
>
>
> https://www.pennstateind.com/store/spindle-adapters.html
>
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 30, 2022 at 10:07 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
> OH SNAP!  Tim, you're an enabler, yes?  LOL!
>
> After looking at your indexing head, I re

RE: First LOM twist

[bulkeley]

Yes I agree always good to have lots of options for your revo and loms 

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Tuesday, 2 August 2022 5:06 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: First LOM twist

 

Sounds good Dan, keep the fires  burning for sure. 

Its just nice to have that 1-8 to 5/8 adapter so you can use more lom stuff if 
you can get it. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 12:01 PM Dan Krager mailto:cdkra...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I do not currently have a Shopsmith.  But it does seem that a 3" faceplate with 
four screw holes and a couple worm screw options would be reasonable.  I can 
easily make that to fit the 5/8" REVO shaft and a 5/8" stub in the Supershop 
R-8 collet. So there's that. I'll wait to have done some creative work first. 
Just finishing up the beefy Y-axis stops, which are modified 1/4" angle iron to 
get the "hand over head" stop wing that makes more sense up there. Pictures 
when done.  

DanK

 

 

On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 6:49:18 AM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com 
<mailto:timjz...@gmail.com>  wrote:

thanks Dan,

 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798   shop

320-630-2243   cell

 

On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 10:18 PM Dan Krager mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com> > wrote:

One of the first things I did was go to my collection of small 3 jaw chucks and 
found 

a 3/8" capacity (and i stopped there, but I'm sure there's a bigger one in 
there somewhere)

that just screwed on the REVO.  I've considered putting a bigger chuck on the 
REVO, 

but for now and for me, why?  Not yet. For one thing I need to do  more 
woodwork with 

it to see, but my gut tells me the primitive "headstock" they put on this just 
isn't sturdy 

enough. So for interchangeability, I put on a small square drive pointed 
"chuck" (pictures 

in history) that grips well enough for the pressure put on it.  And I modified 
one of my 

many Supershop lathe face plates to accept the REVO drive squares. I apply the 
REVO 

drive square to the workpiece, turn it on the lathe if I want, and then just 
move it to the 

REVO for further work. The lathe is SO much faster for round stuff.  
Consistency in 

"production" is another matter, so there's options to address that at the REVO. 
I work 

mostly in one off pieces with only occasional multiples. 

 

Those large gripping chucks have a place, but not yet here. I have a small 4 
jaw chuck

that just screws on, but again, not yet. We'll see.  

DanK

 

On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 10:54:56 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

Yea I bought one of those a few weeks  to fit my sc1 mini chuck to my revo 

 

  
<https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/attach/28748ac7a245a/image001.png?part=0.1>
   
<https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/attach/28748ac7a245a/image002.png?part=0.2>
 

 

Bill

 

 

 

 

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, 1 August 2022 12:17 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: First LOM twist

 

Hey Dan, 

 

More is better right lol!

 I have attached something else you may want to consider. 

These are sold through Penn State, very well made too. 

I actually am ordering a couple more so I actually can add one to my Shopsmith, 

And then I need one for a new secret I'm working on. Stay tuned. 

 

https://www.pennstateind.com/store/spindle-adapters.html

 

Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798   shop

320-630-2243   cell

 

 

On Sat, Jul 30, 2022 at 10:07 PM Dan Krager mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com> > wrote:

OH SNAP!  Tim, you're an enabler, yes?  LOL!  

After looking at your indexing head, I realized that any indexing system

worth its salt has more than one set of holes and the indexing arm holds 

the means to move the pin into another ring.  

 

Now I have the dividing heads that can put any number of holes in the SIC

and I should have thought of how they work, but hindsight is 20-20.  Oh dear!

Another project.  For another day.  Or year maybe. Slippery slope. Somebody 
stop me!

 

Help?  (he says faintly)

 

DanK

 P.S. 24 is enough.24 is enough.24 is enough. 24 is enough.24 is enough.24 is 
enough. 

On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 10:54:04 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

Well the Dan Krager indexer is finished congratulations Dan I guess we will see 
some magic happen

>From you from 

Re: First LOM twist

[Tim Ziegler]

Sounds good Dan, keep the fires  burning for sure.
Its just nice to have that 1-8 to 5/8 adapter so you can use more lom
stuff if you can get it.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 12:01 PM Dan Krager  wrote:

> I do not currently have a Shopsmith.  But it does seem that a 3" faceplate
> with four screw holes and a couple worm screw options would be reasonable.
> I can easily make that to fit the 5/8" REVO shaft and a 5/8" stub in the
> Supershop R-8 collet. So there's that. I'll wait to have done some creative
> work first. Just finishing up the beefy Y-axis stops, which are modified
> 1/4" angle iron to get the "hand over head" stop wing that makes more sense
> up there. Pictures when done.
> DanK
>
>
> On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 6:49:18 AM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> thanks Dan,
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 10:18 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>>
>>> One of the first things I did was go to my collection of small 3 jaw
>>> chucks and found
>>> a 3/8" capacity (and i stopped there, but I'm sure there's a bigger one
>>> in there somewhere)
>>> that just screwed on the REVO.  I've considered putting a bigger chuck
>>> on the REVO,
>>> but for now and for me, why?  Not yet. For one thing I need to do  more
>>> woodwork with
>>> it to see, but my gut tells me the primitive "headstock" they put on
>>> this just isn't sturdy
>>> enough. So for interchangeability, I put on a small square drive pointed
>>> "chuck" (pictures
>>> in history) that grips well enough for the pressure put on it.  And I
>>> modified one of my
>>> many Supershop lathe face plates to accept the REVO drive squares. I
>>> apply the REVO
>>> drive square to the workpiece, turn it on the lathe if I want, and then
>>> just move it to the
>>> REVO for further work. The lathe is SO much faster for round stuff.
>>> Consistency in
>>> "production" is another matter, so there's options to address that at
>>> the REVO. I work
>>> mostly in one off pieces with only occasional multiples.
>>>
>>> Those large gripping chucks have a place, but not yet here. I have a
>>> small 4 jaw chuck
>>> that just screws on, but again, not yet. We'll see.
>>> DanK
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 10:54:56 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yea I bought one of those a few weeks  to fit my sc1 mini chuck to my
>>>> revo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <
>>>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, 1 August 2022 12:17 PM
>>>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey Dan,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> More is better right lol!
>>>>
>>>>  I have attached something else you may want to consider.
>>>>
>>>> These are sold through Penn State, very well made too.
>>>>
>>>> I actually am ordering a couple more so I actually can add one to my
>>>> Shopsmith,
>>>>
>>>> And then I need one for a new secret I'm working on. Stay tuned.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.pennstateind.com/store/spindle-adapters.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>
>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>
>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>
>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>>
>>>> 320-630-2243 <(

Re: First LOM twist

[Dan Krager]

I do not currently have a Shopsmith.  But it does seem that a 3" faceplate 
with four screw holes and a couple worm screw options would be reasonable.  
I can easily make that to fit the 5/8" REVO shaft and a 5/8" stub in the 
Supershop R-8 collet. So there's that. I'll wait to have done some creative 
work first. Just finishing up the beefy Y-axis stops, which are modified 
1/4" angle iron to get the "hand over head" stop wing that makes more sense 
up there. Pictures when done.  
DanK


On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 6:49:18 AM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> thanks Dan,
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 10:18 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
>> One of the first things I did was go to my collection of small 3 jaw 
>> chucks and found 
>> a 3/8" capacity (and i stopped there, but I'm sure there's a bigger one 
>> in there somewhere)
>> that just screwed on the REVO.  I've considered putting a bigger chuck on 
>> the REVO, 
>> but for now and for me, why?  Not yet. For one thing I need to do  more 
>> woodwork with 
>> it to see, but my gut tells me the primitive "headstock" they put on this 
>> just isn't sturdy 
>> enough. So for interchangeability, I put on a small square drive pointed 
>> "chuck" (pictures 
>> in history) that grips well enough for the pressure put on it.  And I 
>> modified one of my 
>> many Supershop lathe face plates to accept the REVO drive squares. I 
>> apply the REVO 
>> drive square to the workpiece, turn it on the lathe if I want, and then 
>> just move it to the 
>> REVO for further work. The lathe is SO much faster for round stuff.  
>> Consistency in 
>> "production" is another matter, so there's options to address that at the 
>> REVO. I work 
>> mostly in one off pieces with only occasional multiples. 
>>
>> Those large gripping chucks have a place, but not yet here. I have a 
>> small 4 jaw chuck
>> that just screws on, but again, not yet. We'll see.  
>> DanK
>>
>> On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 10:54:56 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>>
>>> Yea I bought one of those a few weeks  to fit my sc1 mini chuck to my 
>>> revo 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>>> *Sent:* Monday, 1 August 2022 12:17 PM
>>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Hey Dan, 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> More is better right lol!
>>>
>>>  I have attached something else you may want to consider. 
>>>
>>> These are sold through Penn State, very well made too. 
>>>
>>> I actually am ordering a couple more so I actually can add one to my 
>>> Shopsmith, 
>>>
>>> And then I need one for a new secret I'm working on. Stay tuned. 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> https://www.pennstateind.com/store/spindle-adapters.html
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>
>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 30, 2022 at 10:07 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>>>
>>> OH SNAP!  Tim, you're an enabler, yes?  LOL!  
>>>
>>> After looking at your indexing head, I realized that any indexing system
>>>
>>> worth its salt has more than one set of holes and the indexing arm holds 
>>>
>>> the means to move the pin into another ring.  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Now I have the dividing heads that can put any number of holes in the SIC
>>>
>>> and I should have thought of how they work, but hindsight is 20-20.  Oh 
>>> dear!
>>>
>>> Another project.  For another

Re: First LOM twist

[Tim Ziegler]

thanks Dan,


Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 10:18 PM Dan Krager  wrote:

> One of the first things I did was go to my collection of small 3 jaw
> chucks and found
> a 3/8" capacity (and i stopped there, but I'm sure there's a bigger one in
> there somewhere)
> that just screwed on the REVO.  I've considered putting a bigger chuck on
> the REVO,
> but for now and for me, why?  Not yet. For one thing I need to do  more
> woodwork with
> it to see, but my gut tells me the primitive "headstock" they put on this
> just isn't sturdy
> enough. So for interchangeability, I put on a small square drive pointed
> "chuck" (pictures
> in history) that grips well enough for the pressure put on it.  And I
> modified one of my
> many Supershop lathe face plates to accept the REVO drive squares. I apply
> the REVO
> drive square to the workpiece, turn it on the lathe if I want, and then
> just move it to the
> REVO for further work. The lathe is SO much faster for round stuff.
> Consistency in
> "production" is another matter, so there's options to address that at the
> REVO. I work
> mostly in one off pieces with only occasional multiples.
>
> Those large gripping chucks have a place, but not yet here. I have a small
> 4 jaw chuck
> that just screws on, but again, not yet. We'll see.
> DanK
>
> On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 10:54:56 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>
>> Yea I bought one of those a few weeks  to fit my sc1 mini chuck to my
>> revo
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Monday, 1 August 2022 12:17 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey Dan,
>>
>>
>>
>> More is better right lol!
>>
>>  I have attached something else you may want to consider.
>>
>> These are sold through Penn State, very well made too.
>>
>> I actually am ordering a couple more so I actually can add one to my
>> Shopsmith,
>>
>> And then I need one for a new secret I'm working on. Stay tuned.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.pennstateind.com/store/spindle-adapters.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 30, 2022 at 10:07 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>>
>> OH SNAP!  Tim, you're an enabler, yes?  LOL!
>>
>> After looking at your indexing head, I realized that any indexing system
>>
>> worth its salt has more than one set of holes and the indexing arm holds
>>
>> the means to move the pin into another ring.
>>
>>
>>
>> Now I have the dividing heads that can put any number of holes in the SIC
>>
>> and I should have thought of how they work, but hindsight is 20-20.  Oh
>> dear!
>>
>> Another project.  For another day.  Or year maybe. Slippery slope.
>> Somebody stop me!
>>
>>
>>
>> Help?  (he says faintly)
>>
>>
>>
>> DanK
>>
>>  P.S. 24 is enough.24 is enough.24 is enough. 24 is enough.24 is
>> enough.24 is enough.
>>
>> On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 10:54:04 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>>
>> Well the Dan Krager indexer is finished congratulations Dan I guess we
>> will see some magic happen
>>
>> From you from now on
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
>> *On Behalf Of *Dan Krager
>> *Sent:* Sunday, 31 July 2022 7:06 AM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm happy to report that this arrangement works flawlesslyso far.  I
>> was able to
>>
>>  bring the little 8 start spoon handle to nearly salvageable state.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is the new index arm awaiting the spring plunger that will thread
>> into
>>
>> where the pointed threaded rod is temporarily. I tweaked the bushing for
>>
>> tolerance 

RE: First LOM twist

[bulkeley]

I hear you dan the dome jaws that go on the sc1 can grip down to 1/8 inch small 
enough for anything I need to mill

On the revo, some jobs the legacy drive hubs are just too big when doing little 
work pen mandrels for one

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Dan Krager
Sent: Monday, 1 August 2022 1:18 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: First LOM twist

 

One of the first things I did was go to my collection of small 3 jaw chucks and 
found 

a 3/8" capacity (and i stopped there, but I'm sure there's a bigger one in 
there somewhere)

that just screwed on the REVO.  I've considered putting a bigger chuck on the 
REVO, 

but for now and for me, why?  Not yet. For one thing I need to do  more 
woodwork with 

it to see, but my gut tells me the primitive "headstock" they put on this just 
isn't sturdy 

enough. So for interchangeability, I put on a small square drive pointed 
"chuck" (pictures 

in history) that grips well enough for the pressure put on it.  And I modified 
one of my 

many Supershop lathe face plates to accept the REVO drive squares. I apply the 
REVO 

drive square to the workpiece, turn it on the lathe if I want, and then just 
move it to the 

REVO for further work. The lathe is SO much faster for round stuff.  
Consistency in 

"production" is another matter, so there's options to address that at the REVO. 
I work 

mostly in one off pieces with only occasional multiples. 

 

Those large gripping chucks have a place, but not yet here. I have a small 4 
jaw chuck

that just screws on, but again, not yet. We'll see.  

DanK

 

On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 10:54:56 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

Yea I bought one of those a few weeks  to fit my sc1 mini chuck to my revo 

 

  
<https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/attach/28748ac7a245a/image001.png?part=0.1>
   
<https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/attach/28748ac7a245a/image002.png?part=0.2>
 

 

Bill

 

 

 

 

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, 1 August 2022 12:17 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: First LOM twist

 

Hey Dan, 

 

More is better right lol!

 I have attached something else you may want to consider. 

These are sold through Penn State, very well made too. 

I actually am ordering a couple more so I actually can add one to my Shopsmith, 

And then I need one for a new secret I'm working on. Stay tuned. 

 

https://www.pennstateind.com/store/spindle-adapters.html

 

Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798   shop

320-630-2243   cell

 

 

On Sat, Jul 30, 2022 at 10:07 PM Dan Krager mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com> > wrote:

OH SNAP!  Tim, you're an enabler, yes?  LOL!  

After looking at your indexing head, I realized that any indexing system

worth its salt has more than one set of holes and the indexing arm holds 

the means to move the pin into another ring.  

 

Now I have the dividing heads that can put any number of holes in the SIC

and I should have thought of how they work, but hindsight is 20-20.  Oh dear!

Another project.  For another day.  Or year maybe. Slippery slope. Somebody 
stop me!

 

Help?  (he says faintly)

 

DanK

 P.S. 24 is enough.24 is enough.24 is enough. 24 is enough.24 is enough.24 is 
enough. 

On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 10:54:04 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

Well the Dan Krager indexer is finished congratulations Dan I guess we will see 
some magic happen

>From you from now on

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Dan Krager
Sent: Sunday, 31 July 2022 7:06 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: First LOM twist

 

I'm happy to report that this arrangement works flawlesslyso far.  I was 
able to

 bring the little 8 start spoon handle to nearly salvageable state.  

  
<https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/attach/238a7ed8aceb7/image001.jpg?part=0.1>
 

 

Here is the new index arm awaiting the spring plunger that will thread into

where the pointed threaded rod is temporarily. I tweaked the bushing for 

tolerance and got a good bind on the index arm firmly to the spindle axis. 

I didn't push the limits of the cleanup spins at the ends, so they will be 

cleaned up by hand. Maybe the whole handle will be replaced.

  
<https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/attach/238a7ed8aceb7/image002.jpg?part=0.2>
 

 

And last but not least, two of the four stops have been replaced with these

unbe

Re: First LOM twist

[Dan Krager]

One of the first things I did was go to my collection of small 3 jaw chucks 
and found 
a 3/8" capacity (and i stopped there, but I'm sure there's a bigger one in 
there somewhere)
that just screwed on the REVO.  I've considered putting a bigger chuck on 
the REVO, 
but for now and for me, why?  Not yet. For one thing I need to do  more 
woodwork with 
it to see, but my gut tells me the primitive "headstock" they put on this 
just isn't sturdy 
enough. So for interchangeability, I put on a small square drive pointed 
"chuck" (pictures 
in history) that grips well enough for the pressure put on it.  And I 
modified one of my 
many Supershop lathe face plates to accept the REVO drive squares. I apply 
the REVO 
drive square to the workpiece, turn it on the lathe if I want, and then 
just move it to the 
REVO for further work. The lathe is SO much faster for round stuff.  
Consistency in 
"production" is another matter, so there's options to address that at the 
REVO. I work 
mostly in one off pieces with only occasional multiples. 

Those large gripping chucks have a place, but not yet here. I have a small 
4 jaw chuck
that just screws on, but again, not yet. We'll see.  
DanK

On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 10:54:56 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> Yea I bought one of those a few weeks  to fit my sc1 mini chuck to my revo 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Monday, 1 August 2022 12:17 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>
>  
>
> Hey Dan, 
>
>  
>
> More is better right lol!
>
>  I have attached something else you may want to consider. 
>
> These are sold through Penn State, very well made too. 
>
> I actually am ordering a couple more so I actually can add one to my 
> Shopsmith, 
>
> And then I need one for a new secret I'm working on. Stay tuned. 
>
>  
>
> https://www.pennstateind.com/store/spindle-adapters.html
>
>  
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Sat, Jul 30, 2022 at 10:07 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
> OH SNAP!  Tim, you're an enabler, yes?  LOL!  
>
> After looking at your indexing head, I realized that any indexing system
>
> worth its salt has more than one set of holes and the indexing arm holds 
>
> the means to move the pin into another ring.  
>
>  
>
> Now I have the dividing heads that can put any number of holes in the SIC
>
> and I should have thought of how they work, but hindsight is 20-20.  Oh 
> dear!
>
> Another project.  For another day.  Or year maybe. Slippery slope. 
> Somebody stop me!
>
>  
>
> Help?  (he says faintly)
>
>  
>
> DanK
>
>  P.S. 24 is enough.24 is enough.24 is enough. 24 is enough.24 is enough.24 
> is enough. 
>
> On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 10:54:04 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>
> Well the Dan Krager indexer is finished congratulations Dan I guess we 
> will see some magic happen
>
> From you from now on
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Dan Krager
> *Sent:* Sunday, 31 July 2022 7:06 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>
>  
>
> I'm happy to report that this arrangement works flawlesslyso far.  I 
> was able to
>
>  bring the little 8 start spoon handle to nearly salvageable state.  
>
>  
>
> Here is the new index arm awaiting the spring plunger that will thread into
>
> where the pointed threaded rod is temporarily. I tweaked the bushing for 
>
> tolerance and got a good bind on the index arm firmly to the spindle axis. 
>
> I didn't push the limits of the cleanup spins at the ends, so they will be 
>
> cleaned up by hand. Maybe the whole handle will be replaced.
>
>  
>
> And last but not least, two of the four stops have been replaced with these
>
> unbendable ones.
>
>  
>
> I'm really happy with how this now works.  Any number of reliably 
> repeatable indexable starts.. 
>
> No more math or stop blocks.Can spin cut just by releasing the lateral 
> screw and locking the X axis.
>
> Mission accomplished.
>
> DanK
>
>   
>
>  
>
> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:59:44 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>
> Well done Dan the spoon looks great looks like you’re getting there
&g

Re: First LOM twist

[Tim Ziegler]

Dan I meant to mention this will work on your REVO to use a chuck or many
of our LOM attachments.
Also if you have a shopsmith the Drill press chuck from the Shopsmith with
work on your REVO
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Sat, Jul 30, 2022 at 10:07 PM Dan Krager  wrote:

> OH SNAP!  Tim, you're an enabler, yes?  LOL!
> After looking at your indexing head, I realized that any indexing system
> worth its salt has more than one set of holes and the indexing arm holds
> the means to move the pin into another ring.
>
> Now I have the dividing heads that can put any number of holes in the SIC
> and I should have thought of how they work, but hindsight is 20-20.  Oh
> dear!
> Another project.  For another day.  Or year maybe. Slippery slope.
> Somebody stop me!
>
> Help?  (he says faintly)
>
> DanK
>  P.S. 24 is enough.24 is enough.24 is enough. 24 is enough.24 is enough.24
> is enough.
> On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 10:54:04 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>
>> Well the Dan Krager indexer is finished congratulations Dan I guess we
>> will see some magic happen
>>
>> From you from now on
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
>> *On Behalf Of *Dan Krager
>> *Sent:* Sunday, 31 July 2022 7:06 AM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm happy to report that this arrangement works flawlesslyso far.  I
>> was able to
>>
>>  bring the little 8 start spoon handle to nearly salvageable state.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is the new index arm awaiting the spring plunger that will thread
>> into
>>
>> where the pointed threaded rod is temporarily. I tweaked the bushing for
>>
>> tolerance and got a good bind on the index arm firmly to the spindle
>> axis.
>>
>> I didn't push the limits of the cleanup spins at the ends, so they will
>> be
>>
>> cleaned up by hand. Maybe the whole handle will be replaced.
>>
>>
>>
>> And last but not least, two of the four stops have been replaced with
>> these
>>
>> unbendable ones.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm really happy with how this now works.  Any number of reliably
>> repeatable indexable starts..
>>
>> No more math or stop blocks.Can spin cut just by releasing the lateral
>> screw and locking the X axis.
>>
>> Mission accomplished.
>>
>> DanK
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:59:44 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>>
>> Well done Dan the spoon looks great looks like you’re getting there
>>
>> Don’t ever worry about things looking a little rough prototypes always
>> are till you get all the bugs ironed out just keep moving forward
>>
>> Neat can come later when everything is working well . fun isn’t it 😊
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
>> *On Behalf Of *Dan Krager
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 30 July 2022 11:55 AM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill, you're "preaching to the choir" about irreversible mods!
>> Absolutely correct you are.
>>
>> And none of my efforts have permanently changed anything but the process
>> of using it.
>>
>> I am convinced now after today's efforts that this definitely (at least
>> in my world) will
>>
>> change how twists are done. Here's the latest. But first, the spoon.
>>
>>
>>
>> Today I sorted out how to get the gears arranged so the SIG is outside
>> giving me space to to
>>
>> install a proper spring loaded index pin on the outside. First order of
>> business was to flip the
>>
>> gears as described above. Then replace the SIG plug with a spacer
>> bushing. My poor machining
>>
>> shows boldly here, but it works OK in spite. I hate it when mistakes like
>> this occur and to
>>
>> satisfy my OCD, I might remake it!  Still getting used to DRO positioning.
>>
>> Back side of SiG with the previous bushing modified to accommodate the
>> SIG bushing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is the view showing the flipped gears with SIG on the outside and
>> installed on
>>
>> the bushings. I will have to remake the index arm and thanks to your
>> prompting ordered
>>
>> an appropriate size spring load

Re: First LOM twist

[Tim Ziegler]

Hey Dan,

More is better right lol!
 I have attached something else you may want to consider.
These are sold through Penn State, very well made too.
I actually am ordering a couple more so I actually can add one to my
Shopsmith,
And then I need one for a new secret I'm working on. Stay tuned.

https://www.pennstateind.com/store/spindle-adapters.html

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Sat, Jul 30, 2022 at 10:07 PM Dan Krager  wrote:

> OH SNAP!  Tim, you're an enabler, yes?  LOL!
> After looking at your indexing head, I realized that any indexing system
> worth its salt has more than one set of holes and the indexing arm holds
> the means to move the pin into another ring.
>
> Now I have the dividing heads that can put any number of holes in the SIC
> and I should have thought of how they work, but hindsight is 20-20.  Oh
> dear!
> Another project.  For another day.  Or year maybe. Slippery slope.
> Somebody stop me!
>
> Help?  (he says faintly)
>
> DanK
>  P.S. 24 is enough.24 is enough.24 is enough. 24 is enough.24 is enough.24
> is enough.
> On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 10:54:04 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>
>> Well the Dan Krager indexer is finished congratulations Dan I guess we
>> will see some magic happen
>>
>> From you from now on
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
>> *On Behalf Of *Dan Krager
>> *Sent:* Sunday, 31 July 2022 7:06 AM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm happy to report that this arrangement works flawlesslyso far.  I
>> was able to
>>
>>  bring the little 8 start spoon handle to nearly salvageable state.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is the new index arm awaiting the spring plunger that will thread
>> into
>>
>> where the pointed threaded rod is temporarily. I tweaked the bushing for
>>
>> tolerance and got a good bind on the index arm firmly to the spindle
>> axis.
>>
>> I didn't push the limits of the cleanup spins at the ends, so they will
>> be
>>
>> cleaned up by hand. Maybe the whole handle will be replaced.
>>
>>
>>
>> And last but not least, two of the four stops have been replaced with
>> these
>>
>> unbendable ones.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm really happy with how this now works.  Any number of reliably
>> repeatable indexable starts..
>>
>> No more math or stop blocks.Can spin cut just by releasing the lateral
>> screw and locking the X axis.
>>
>> Mission accomplished.
>>
>> DanK
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:59:44 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>>
>> Well done Dan the spoon looks great looks like you’re getting there
>>
>> Don’t ever worry about things looking a little rough prototypes always
>> are till you get all the bugs ironed out just keep moving forward
>>
>> Neat can come later when everything is working well . fun isn’t it 😊
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
>> *On Behalf Of *Dan Krager
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 30 July 2022 11:55 AM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill, you're "preaching to the choir" about irreversible mods!
>> Absolutely correct you are.
>>
>> And none of my efforts have permanently changed anything but the process
>> of using it.
>>
>> I am convinced now after today's efforts that this definitely (at least
>> in my world) will
>>
>> change how twists are done. Here's the latest. But first, the spoon.
>>
>>
>>
>> Today I sorted out how to get the gears arranged so the SIG is outside
>> giving me space to to
>>
>> install a proper spring loaded index pin on the outside. First order of
>> business was to flip the
>>
>> gears as described above. Then replace the SIG plug with a spacer
>> bushing. My poor machining
>>
>> shows boldly here, but it works OK in spite. I hate it when mistakes like
>> this occur and to
>>
>> satisfy my OCD, I might remake it!  Still getting used to DRO positioning.
>>
>> Back side of SiG with the previous bushing modified to accommodate the
>> SIG bushing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is the view showing the flipped gears with SIG on the outside and
>> installe

Re: First LOM twist

[Tim Ziegler]

Hey Dan
Just something to keep the wheels turning lol.
I should have thought about it earlier.
Have a great Sunday.

Kind regards Tim

On Sat, Jul 30, 2022, 10:07 PM Dan Krager  wrote:

> OH SNAP!  Tim, you're an enabler, yes?  LOL!
> After looking at your indexing head, I realized that any indexing system
> worth its salt has more than one set of holes and the indexing arm holds
> the means to move the pin into another ring.
>
> Now I have the dividing heads that can put any number of holes in the SIC
> and I should have thought of how they work, but hindsight is 20-20.  Oh
> dear!
> Another project.  For another day.  Or year maybe. Slippery slope.
> Somebody stop me!
>
> Help?  (he says faintly)
>
> DanK
>  P.S. 24 is enough.24 is enough.24 is enough. 24 is enough.24 is enough.24
> is enough.
> On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 10:54:04 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>
>> Well the Dan Krager indexer is finished congratulations Dan I guess we
>> will see some magic happen
>>
>> From you from now on
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
>> *On Behalf Of *Dan Krager
>> *Sent:* Sunday, 31 July 2022 7:06 AM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm happy to report that this arrangement works flawlesslyso far.  I
>> was able to
>>
>>  bring the little 8 start spoon handle to nearly salvageable state.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is the new index arm awaiting the spring plunger that will thread
>> into
>>
>> where the pointed threaded rod is temporarily. I tweaked the bushing for
>>
>> tolerance and got a good bind on the index arm firmly to the spindle
>> axis.
>>
>> I didn't push the limits of the cleanup spins at the ends, so they will
>> be
>>
>> cleaned up by hand. Maybe the whole handle will be replaced.
>>
>>
>>
>> And last but not least, two of the four stops have been replaced with
>> these
>>
>> unbendable ones.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm really happy with how this now works.  Any number of reliably
>> repeatable indexable starts..
>>
>> No more math or stop blocks.Can spin cut just by releasing the lateral
>> screw and locking the X axis.
>>
>> Mission accomplished.
>>
>> DanK
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:59:44 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>>
>> Well done Dan the spoon looks great looks like you’re getting there
>>
>> Don’t ever worry about things looking a little rough prototypes always
>> are till you get all the bugs ironed out just keep moving forward
>>
>> Neat can come later when everything is working well . fun isn’t it 😊
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
>> *On Behalf Of *Dan Krager
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 30 July 2022 11:55 AM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill, you're "preaching to the choir" about irreversible mods!
>> Absolutely correct you are.
>>
>> And none of my efforts have permanently changed anything but the process
>> of using it.
>>
>> I am convinced now after today's efforts that this definitely (at least
>> in my world) will
>>
>> change how twists are done. Here's the latest. But first, the spoon.
>>
>>
>>
>> Today I sorted out how to get the gears arranged so the SIG is outside
>> giving me space to to
>>
>> install a proper spring loaded index pin on the outside. First order of
>> business was to flip the
>>
>> gears as described above. Then replace the SIG plug with a spacer
>> bushing. My poor machining
>>
>> shows boldly here, but it works OK in spite. I hate it when mistakes like
>> this occur and to
>>
>> satisfy my OCD, I might remake it!  Still getting used to DRO positioning.
>>
>> Back side of SiG with the previous bushing modified to accommodate the
>> SIG bushing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is the view showing the flipped gears with SIG on the outside and
>> installed on
>>
>> the bushings. I will have to remake the index arm and thanks to your
>> prompting ordered
>>
>> an appropriate size spring loaded index pin with ring for it. But you can
>> see how this
>>
>> "improvement" gives space for it on the outside. The weak point in the
>> security of the
>>

RE: First LOM twist

[bulkeley]

I see that screw is a difficult one to solve no room to mount a coil spring 
loaded pin perhaps one like this might fit 

If there is enough room.

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Dan Krager
Sent: Friday, 29 July 2022 11:37 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: First LOM twist

 

Bill, I put the screw in from the outside to be able to use a screw driver 
better.  I hate slotted screws, so it will be replaced by a flat head hex 
machine screw.  I couldn't think of how to hold this tiny thing, so I threaded 
the hole in the axis arm and pass the screw through the SIG to thread into the 
arm. This keeps the clearance acceptable and the connection tight.  I've just 
considered the case of moving the carriage on a straight, non-spiral cut and 
how to hold the index with the axis.  With the gears disengaged, the original 
indexing pin can be used as normal as long as the arm remains pinned to the 
SiG.  It's in the middle of some test runs and the first three passes of 8 
worked just fine. It really doesn't take much time to move the pin (screw) to 
the next index, but it is not as fast as a tapered pin like the original. It 
will get better with the socket head screw.  I'm open to ideas.

 

I have completed the spoon bowl and put the first coat of oil on it today.  
It's a looker alright. A couple more coats and a polish (wax) will be the 
makeup for a photo in a couple days.

The test run is trying to salvage the little spoon spiral that I buggered up 
using the "old" methods. 

 

DanK

 

On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 8:27:23 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

  
<https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/attach/1937dc9e10d53/image001.png?part=0.1>
 Dan I thought you might have put your indexing screw in from the back instead 
of from the front, having a point on the end of the screw might help speed up 
your indexing time . I can see how your idea works without a video, it is a 
different way of indexing the starts on a spiral the idea is very similar to 
curts design I can see how it will make indexing easier  and more simple for 
you as curts one did for him.

I have done the gauge block method for so long and so many times now I find it 
more easy for me, but in the end what ever method each user uses as long as 
they are comfortable with it is the important thing  as curt says there a many 
ways to skin a cat and when the end result is a perfect spiral each way is all 
good

Keep those good inventive ideas coming Dan I love legacy mill mods.

 

Bill

 

 

 

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Dan Krager
Sent: Friday, 29 July 2022 8:50 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: First LOM twist

 

I did post a link to a very short video 
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/15pIQani7juLUeyE8zVCWRzfkDm47Uou3/view?usp=sharing>
  about the index arm movement.  I'm not set up for video making.  The pictures 
tell the whole story pretty well, but I'll see about getting enough to show a 
couple starts.  I'm salvaging the buggered up small spoon so that might be a 
good candidate tomorrow.

DanK

 

On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 1:16:10 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com 
<mailto:timjz...@gmail.com>  wrote:

Hey Dan,

 

Thats super cool when a plan comes together. Can you do a short video and post 
it as well so we

can all get a little better hand on how it all works and come together?





Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798   shop

320-630-2243   cell

 

On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 10:36 AM Dan Krager mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The final piece has been made and installed.  I am thrilled that FINALLY, one 
of my ideas has worked out!  And it does work reliably.  The weak part of the 
design is the time consumed to change the pin because it threads into the bar 
on the other side of the SIG, though it is not bad. I used a slotted machine 
screw because that is what I had with a taper, but I am planning to replace 
that with a flat head socket screw for easier wrench work and easier to insert 
into next hole.  

 

  
<https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/attach/4aa3e98c9a6bc/temp5.JPG?part=0.1&view=1>
 

DanK

On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 12:02:51 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

Hello Dan

 

Very nice work On your spoon!

 

I am very happy for you.  

 

Keep up the good work, 

I too, am looking

forward to seeing your bowl.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 05:03:23 PM EDT, bulk...@mmnet.com.au 
<mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au>  mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

On the contrary its very much to look at very nice work Dan cant wait to see 
the bowl

 

Bill

 

Fr

Re: First LOM twist

[Dan Krager]

OH SNAP!  Tim, you're an enabler, yes?  LOL!  
After looking at your indexing head, I realized that any indexing system
worth its salt has more than one set of holes and the indexing arm holds 
the means to move the pin into another ring.  

Now I have the dividing heads that can put any number of holes in the SIC
and I should have thought of how they work, but hindsight is 20-20.  Oh 
dear!
Another project.  For another day.  Or year maybe. Slippery slope. Somebody 
stop me!

Help?  (he says faintly)

DanK
 P.S. 24 is enough.24 is enough.24 is enough. 24 is enough.24 is enough.24 
is enough. 
On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 10:54:04 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> Well the Dan Krager indexer is finished congratulations Dan I guess we 
> will see some magic happen
>
> From you from now on
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Dan Krager
> *Sent:* Sunday, 31 July 2022 7:06 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>
>  
>
> I'm happy to report that this arrangement works flawlesslyso far.  I 
> was able to
>
>  bring the little 8 start spoon handle to nearly salvageable state.  
>
>  
>
> Here is the new index arm awaiting the spring plunger that will thread into
>
> where the pointed threaded rod is temporarily. I tweaked the bushing for 
>
> tolerance and got a good bind on the index arm firmly to the spindle axis. 
>
> I didn't push the limits of the cleanup spins at the ends, so they will be 
>
> cleaned up by hand. Maybe the whole handle will be replaced.
>
>  
>
> And last but not least, two of the four stops have been replaced with these
>
> unbendable ones.
>
>  
>
> I'm really happy with how this now works.  Any number of reliably 
> repeatable indexable starts.. 
>
> No more math or stop blocks.Can spin cut just by releasing the lateral 
> screw and locking the X axis.
>
> Mission accomplished.
>
> DanK
>
>   
>
>  
>
> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:59:44 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>
> Well done Dan the spoon looks great looks like you’re getting there
>
> Don’t ever worry about things looking a little rough prototypes always are 
> till you get all the bugs ironed out just keep moving forward 
>
> Neat can come later when everything is working well . fun isn’t it 😊
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Dan Krager
> *Sent:* Saturday, 30 July 2022 11:55 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>
>  
>
> Bill, you're "preaching to the choir" about irreversible mods!  Absolutely 
> correct you are.  
>
> And none of my efforts have permanently changed anything but the process 
> of using it. 
>
> I am convinced now after today's efforts that this definitely (at least in 
> my world) will 
>
> change how twists are done. Here's the latest. But first, the spoon.
>
>  
>
> Today I sorted out how to get the gears arranged so the SIG is outside 
> giving me space to to 
>
> install a proper spring loaded index pin on the outside. First order of 
> business was to flip the
>
> gears as described above. Then replace the SIG plug with a spacer bushing. 
> My poor machining
>
> shows boldly here, but it works OK in spite. I hate it when mistakes like 
> this occur and to
>
> satisfy my OCD, I might remake it!  Still getting used to DRO positioning.
>
> Back side of SiG with the previous bushing modified to accommodate the SIG 
> bushing. 
>
>  
>
> Here is the view showing the flipped gears with SIG on the outside and 
> installed on 
>
> the bushings. I will have to remake the index arm and thanks to your 
> prompting ordered 
>
> an appropriate size spring loaded index pin with ring for it. But you can 
> see how this
>
> "improvement" gives space for it on the outside. The weak point in the 
> security of the
>
> sync is  the friction holding the index arm to the spindle. Moving the arm 
> outboard, I lost 
>
> use of the registration flats. 
>
> The good news here is that the SIG can be put back into original position 
> so the original 
>
> indexing pin and crank arrangement can be used for straight machining. 
>
>  
>
> This is where the new index arm will be mounted. As you can see it's wide 
> open.  If you look real
>
> closely, you will notice that the SIG bushing is too thick and pinches 
> it's free wheel motion. The
>
> inner bushing should be the one protruding. Easily fixed, just another 
> accumulated error thing. I
>
> was too anxious to share pic

RE: First LOM twist

[bulkeley]

A word of advice Dan from someone who has tried a few legacy mods in the past 
always make sure you don’t alter things too much  beyond the point 

Where you can’t change it all back to a stock standard mill where you started 
in case something unforeseen happens that you didn’t see coming and the mod 
doesn’t work as planned,

Now after saying that I cant wait to see your mod in action oh and one last 
thing the longer the legacy indexing pin becomes the more slop and movement 
there will be when indexing for doing reeds, flutes and flats you may need to 
make a break clamp for the index gear. Good luck buddy

 

Bill

 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Dan Krager
Sent: Saturday, 30 July 2022 1:54 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: First LOM twist

 

The gears flipped easily with a tiny (about 1/16") adjustment in the feed screw 
shaft.  

Now the SIG runs on the outside opening up spring pin possibilities on the now 
outboard index arm.  

I have made a shouldered bushing to space the SIG about 1/2" outward, the 
shoulder for the gear

to run on freely and to be able to tighten the axis bolt enough to hold the 
index arm in secure sync..

I lose the otherwise secure index arm lock on the flats of the axis and have to 
make a new index arm.

It looks like the stock index pin will barely reach the SIG in its new position 
for use with non-spiral

indexed cuts, untested yet. There may be some adjustments available if needed. 

 

When It's all put back together, I'll get some more pictures. It looks possible 
now and I'm excited (again).

This is as much fun as making the wood stuff!  

DanK

On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:30:10 AM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com 
<mailto:timjz...@gmail.com>  wrote:

Will be interesting to see what happens. Anything to make improvements right. 

Easier is better as long as its accurate. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798   shop

320-630-2243   cell

 

On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 9:08 AM Dan Krager mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Well, that threaded spring post got me thinking.  If I enlarge the hole in the 
SIG plug to max without getting into the gear plate (1/2" would be max) and 
make a 1/2" bushing with integral index arm on the outside of the SIG, then by 
flipping all the gears in the train, the SIG would end up on the outside of its 
driver.  This would eliminate the clearance issue and a spring post could be 
used on the index arm. I don't know yet if flipping the gears is possible yet, 
but imma find out. 

 

When I adjust screen size the margins automatically adjust and wrap the text 
shorter.  But this is a desktop so it probably behaves differently.

DanK

 

On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 9:50:56 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

I usually make the email full screen that’s seems to fix the screen having to 
be moved

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Friday, 29 July 2022 11:21 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: First LOM twist

 

Hey Dan,

 

Not sure what is going on for the sizing. I typically do not type the full 
width of the screen for that very reason. 

It gets to be a long way across the screen. I just type so far across and hit 
enter and start a new line. 

this does happen sometimes when we have an email that gets responded to many 
times but these 

are starting out that way. 

Anyway keep us in the loop with your process and excited to see more. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798   shop

320-630-2243   cell

 

 

On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 6:46 AM Dan Krager mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Those look like a good solution and I would jump on it in a heartbeat if only 
that head and ring assembly would clear. One other issue is that the arm is not 
secured tightly to the axis so there is slight lateral movement that is 
eliminated when my screw tightens.  Yes, the fit on the flats is almost 
interference fit, but that doesn't eliminate lateral movement that can 
disengage a loose pin. This screw pin is only 10-24 x 7/16" long OA and it 
barely clears.  Those spring loaded things are monstrous by comparison. If I 
were willing to modify original equipment permanently, things could be 
different.  I could make another spindle...

 

Re: margins.  I'm using the default margins on desktop, so I have assumed 
automatic margin controls on other devices.  If not, how does one limit the 
margins on desktop?  For this post I shrank the window to 1/3 width, but I 
doubt it will make a difference.

 

DanK

 

On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 10:55:55 PM UTC-4 timjz

Re: First LOM twist

[Tim Ziegler]

Yes indeed Dan,
I am as excited as you are and truly look forward to your progress pix.
And I agree making mods and changes is as much fun as running material with
them.
Your email was perfect and stayed within the parameters and was perfect.
Thanks for that.
I really like your attention to detail and motivation on your project and
could become a turning
point for some of these machines.
Keep up the good work Dan.



Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 10:54 AM Dan Krager  wrote:

> The gears flipped easily with a tiny (about 1/16") adjustment in the feed
> screw shaft.
> Now the SIG runs on the outside opening up spring pin possibilities on the
> now outboard index arm.
> I have made a shouldered bushing to space the SIG about 1/2" outward, the
> shoulder for the gear
> to run on freely and to be able to tighten the axis bolt enough to hold
> the index arm in secure sync..
> I lose the otherwise secure index arm lock on the flats of the axis and
> have to make a new index arm.
> It looks like the stock index pin will barely reach the SIG in its new
> position for use with non-spiral
> indexed cuts, untested yet. There may be some adjustments available if
> needed.
>
> When It's all put back together, I'll get some more pictures. It looks
> possible now and I'm excited (again).
> This is as much fun as making the wood stuff!
> DanK
> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:30:10 AM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Will be interesting to see what happens. Anything to make improvements
>> right.
>> Easier is better as long as its accurate.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 9:08 AM Dan Krager  wrote:
>>
>>> Well, that threaded spring post got me thinking.  If I enlarge the hole
>>> in the SIG plug to max without getting into the gear plate (1/2" would be
>>> max) and make a 1/2" bushing with integral index arm on the outside of the
>>> SIG, then by flipping all the gears in the train, the SIG would end up on
>>> the outside of its driver.  This would eliminate the clearance issue and a
>>> spring post could be used on the index arm. I don't know yet if flipping
>>> the gears is possible yet, but imma find out.
>>>
>>> When I adjust screen size the margins automatically adjust and wrap the
>>> text shorter.  But this is a desktop so it probably behaves differently.
>>> DanK
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 9:50:56 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>>>
>>>> I usually make the email full screen that’s seems to fix the screen
>>>> having to be moved
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <
>>>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, 29 July 2022 11:21 PM
>>>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey Dan,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not sure what is going on for the sizing. I typically do not type the
>>>> full width of the screen for that very reason.
>>>>
>>>> It gets to be a long way across the screen. I just type so far across
>>>> and hit enter and start a new line.
>>>>
>>>> this does happen sometimes when we have an email that gets responded to
>>>> many times but these
>>>>
>>>> are starting out that way.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway keep us in the loop with your process and excited to see more.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>
>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>
>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>
>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>>
>>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 6:46 AM Dan Krager  wrot

Re: First LOM twist

[Dan Krager]

The gears flipped easily with a tiny (about 1/16") adjustment in the feed 
screw shaft.  
Now the SIG runs on the outside opening up spring pin possibilities on the 
now outboard index arm.  
I have made a shouldered bushing to space the SIG about 1/2" outward, the 
shoulder for the gear
to run on freely and to be able to tighten the axis bolt enough to hold the 
index arm in secure sync..
I lose the otherwise secure index arm lock on the flats of the axis and 
have to make a new index arm.
It looks like the stock index pin will barely reach the SIG in its new 
position for use with non-spiral
indexed cuts, untested yet. There may be some adjustments available if 
needed. 

When It's all put back together, I'll get some more pictures. It looks 
possible now and I'm excited (again).
This is as much fun as making the wood stuff!  
DanK
On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:30:10 AM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Will be interesting to see what happens. Anything to make improvements 
> right. 
> Easier is better as long as its accurate. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 9:08 AM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
>> Well, that threaded spring post got me thinking.  If I enlarge the hole 
>> in the SIG plug to max without getting into the gear plate (1/2" would be 
>> max) and make a 1/2" bushing with integral index arm on the outside of the 
>> SIG, then by flipping all the gears in the train, the SIG would end up on 
>> the outside of its driver.  This would eliminate the clearance issue and a 
>> spring post could be used on the index arm. I don't know yet if flipping 
>> the gears is possible yet, but imma find out. 
>>
>> When I adjust screen size the margins automatically adjust and wrap the 
>> text shorter.  But this is a desktop so it probably behaves differently.
>> DanK
>>
>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 9:50:56 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>>
>>> I usually make the email full screen that’s seems to fix the screen 
>>> having to be moved
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>>> *Sent:* Friday, 29 July 2022 11:21 PM
>>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Hey Dan,
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Not sure what is going on for the sizing. I typically do not type the 
>>> full width of the screen for that very reason. 
>>>
>>> It gets to be a long way across the screen. I just type so far across 
>>> and hit enter and start a new line. 
>>>
>>> this does happen sometimes when we have an email that gets responded to 
>>> many times but these 
>>>
>>> are starting out that way. 
>>>
>>> Anyway keep us in the loop with your process and excited to see more. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>
>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 6:46 AM Dan Krager  wrote:
>>>
>>> Those look like a good solution and I would jump on it in a heartbeat if 
>>> only that head and ring assembly would clear. One other issue is that the 
>>> arm is not secured tightly to the axis so there is slight lateral movement 
>>> that is eliminated when my screw tightens.  Yes, the fit on the flats is 
>>> almost interference fit, but that doesn't eliminate lateral movement that 
>>> can disengage a loose pin. This screw pin is only 10-24 x 7/16" long OA and 
>>> it barely clears.  Those spring loaded things are monstrous by comparison. 
>>> If I were willing to modify original equipment permanently, things could be 
>>> different.  I could make another spindle...
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Re: margins.  I'm using the default margins on desktop, so I have 
>>> assumed automatic margin controls on other devices.  If not, how does one 
>>> limit the margins on desktop?  For 

Re: First LOM twist

[Tim Ziegler]

Will be interesting to see what happens. Anything to make improvements
right.
Easier is better as long as its accurate.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 9:08 AM Dan Krager  wrote:

> Well, that threaded spring post got me thinking.  If I enlarge the hole in
> the SIG plug to max without getting into the gear plate (1/2" would be max)
> and make a 1/2" bushing with integral index arm on the outside of the SIG,
> then by flipping all the gears in the train, the SIG would end up on the
> outside of its driver.  This would eliminate the clearance issue and a
> spring post could be used on the index arm. I don't know yet if flipping
> the gears is possible yet, but imma find out.
>
> When I adjust screen size the margins automatically adjust and wrap the
> text shorter.  But this is a desktop so it probably behaves differently.
> DanK
>
> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 9:50:56 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>
>> I usually make the email full screen that’s seems to fix the screen
>> having to be moved
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Friday, 29 July 2022 11:21 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey Dan,
>>
>>
>>
>> Not sure what is going on for the sizing. I typically do not type the
>> full width of the screen for that very reason.
>>
>> It gets to be a long way across the screen. I just type so far across and
>> hit enter and start a new line.
>>
>> this does happen sometimes when we have an email that gets responded to
>> many times but these
>>
>> are starting out that way.
>>
>> Anyway keep us in the loop with your process and excited to see more.
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 6:46 AM Dan Krager  wrote:
>>
>> Those look like a good solution and I would jump on it in a heartbeat if
>> only that head and ring assembly would clear. One other issue is that the
>> arm is not secured tightly to the axis so there is slight lateral movement
>> that is eliminated when my screw tightens.  Yes, the fit on the flats is
>> almost interference fit, but that doesn't eliminate lateral movement that
>> can disengage a loose pin. This screw pin is only 10-24 x 7/16" long OA and
>> it barely clears.  Those spring loaded things are monstrous by comparison.
>> If I were willing to modify original equipment permanently, things could be
>> different.  I could make another spindle...
>>
>>
>>
>> Re: margins.  I'm using the default margins on desktop, so I have assumed
>> automatic margin controls on other devices.  If not, how does one limit the
>> margins on desktop?  For this post I shrank the window to 1/3 width, but I
>> doubt it will make a difference.
>>
>>
>>
>> DanK
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 10:55:55 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Hey Dan,
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is what Curt showed me to use. They work excellent but you need
>> space to make it work.
>>
>> Way faster than screws or cap screws.
>>
>> When you respond or email can you keep it narrower? It's tough to read
>> when you have to scroll left to right or vise versa.
>>
>> Anyway check out these and let me know what you think.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Spring-Plunger-Stainless-Non-Locking-Hand-Retractable/dp/B09G37QQ27/ref=asc_df_B09G37QQ27/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=569762016156&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16569521696965764528&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9020090&hvtargid=pla-1652281026128&th=1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%2

Re: First LOM twist

[Dan Krager]

Well, that threaded spring post got me thinking.  If I enlarge the hole in 
the SIG plug to max without getting into the gear plate (1/2" would be max) 
and make a 1/2" bushing with integral index arm on the outside of the SIG, 
then by flipping all the gears in the train, the SIG would end up on the 
outside of its driver.  This would eliminate the clearance issue and a 
spring post could be used on the index arm. I don't know yet if flipping 
the gears is possible yet, but imma find out. 

When I adjust screen size the margins automatically adjust and wrap the 
text shorter.  But this is a desktop so it probably behaves differently.
DanK

On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 9:50:56 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> I usually make the email full screen that’s seems to fix the screen having 
> to be moved
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Friday, 29 July 2022 11:21 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>
>  
>
> Hey Dan,
>
>  
>
> Not sure what is going on for the sizing. I typically do not type the full 
> width of the screen for that very reason. 
>
> It gets to be a long way across the screen. I just type so far across and 
> hit enter and start a new line. 
>
> this does happen sometimes when we have an email that gets responded to 
> many times but these 
>
> are starting out that way. 
>
> Anyway keep us in the loop with your process and excited to see more. 
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 6:46 AM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
> Those look like a good solution and I would jump on it in a heartbeat if 
> only that head and ring assembly would clear. One other issue is that the 
> arm is not secured tightly to the axis so there is slight lateral movement 
> that is eliminated when my screw tightens.  Yes, the fit on the flats is 
> almost interference fit, but that doesn't eliminate lateral movement that 
> can disengage a loose pin. This screw pin is only 10-24 x 7/16" long OA and 
> it barely clears.  Those spring loaded things are monstrous by comparison. 
> If I were willing to modify original equipment permanently, things could be 
> different.  I could make another spindle...
>
>  
>
> Re: margins.  I'm using the default margins on desktop, so I have assumed 
> automatic margin controls on other devices.  If not, how does one limit the 
> margins on desktop?  For this post I shrank the window to 1/3 width, but I 
> doubt it will make a difference.
>
>  
>
> DanK
>
>  
>
> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 10:55:55 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hey Dan,
>
>  
>
> Here is what Curt showed me to use. They work excellent but you need space 
> to make it work.
>
> Way faster than screws or cap screws. 
>
> When you respond or email can you keep it narrower? It's tough to read 
> when you have to scroll left to right or vise versa. 
>
> Anyway check out these and let me know what you think. 
>
>  
>
>  
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Spring-Plunger-Stainless-Non-Locking-Hand-Retractable/dp/B09G37QQ27/ref=asc_df_B09G37QQ27/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=569762016156&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16569521696965764528&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9020090&hvtargid=pla-1652281026128&th=1
>
>
>  
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 8:37 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
> Bill, I put the screw in from the outside to be able to use a screw driver 
> better.  I hate slotted screws, so it will be replaced by a flat head hex 
> machine screw.  I couldn't think of how to hold this tiny thing, so I 
> threaded the hole in the axis arm and pass the screw through the SIG to 
> thread into the arm. This keeps the clearance acceptable and the connection 
> tight.  I've just considered the case of moving the carriage on a straight, 
> non-spiral cut and how to hold the index with the axis.  With the gears 
> disengaged, the original indexing pin can be used as normal as long as the 
> arm remains pinned to the SiG.  It's in the middle of som

RE: First LOM twist

[bulkeley]

I usually make the email full screen that’s seems to fix the screen having to 
be moved

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Friday, 29 July 2022 11:21 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: First LOM twist

 

Hey Dan,

 

Not sure what is going on for the sizing. I typically do not type the full 
width of the screen for that very reason. 

It gets to be a long way across the screen. I just type so far across and hit 
enter and start a new line. 

this does happen sometimes when we have an email that gets responded to many 
times but these 

are starting out that way. 

Anyway keep us in the loop with your process and excited to see more. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 6:46 AM Dan Krager mailto:cdkra...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Those look like a good solution and I would jump on it in a heartbeat if only 
that head and ring assembly would clear. One other issue is that the arm is not 
secured tightly to the axis so there is slight lateral movement that is 
eliminated when my screw tightens.  Yes, the fit on the flats is almost 
interference fit, but that doesn't eliminate lateral movement that can 
disengage a loose pin. This screw pin is only 10-24 x 7/16" long OA and it 
barely clears.  Those spring loaded things are monstrous by comparison. If I 
were willing to modify original equipment permanently, things could be 
different.  I could make another spindle...

 

Re: margins.  I'm using the default margins on desktop, so I have assumed 
automatic margin controls on other devices.  If not, how does one limit the 
margins on desktop?  For this post I shrank the window to 1/3 width, but I 
doubt it will make a difference.

 

DanK

 

On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 10:55:55 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com 
<mailto:timjz...@gmail.com>  wrote:

Hey Dan,

 

Here is what Curt showed me to use. They work excellent but you need space to 
make it work.

Way faster than screws or cap screws. 

When you respond or email can you keep it narrower? It's tough to read when you 
have to scroll left to right or vise versa. 

Anyway check out these and let me know what you think. 

 

 

https://www.amazon.com/Spring-Plunger-Stainless-Non-Locking-Hand-Retractable/dp/B09G37QQ27/ref=asc_df_B09G37QQ27/?tag=hyprod-20
 
<https://www.amazon.com/Spring-Plunger-Stainless-Non-Locking-Hand-Retractable/dp/B09G37QQ27/ref=asc_df_B09G37QQ27/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=569762016156&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16569521696965764528&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9020090&hvtargid=pla-1652281026128&th=1>
 
&linkCode=df0&hvadid=569762016156&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16569521696965764528&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9020090&hvtargid=pla-1652281026128&th=1




 

Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798   shop

320-630-2243   cell

 

On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 8:37 PM Dan Krager mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Bill, I put the screw in from the outside to be able to use a screw driver 
better.  I hate slotted screws, so it will be replaced by a flat head hex 
machine screw.  I couldn't think of how to hold this tiny thing, so I threaded 
the hole in the axis arm and pass the screw through the SIG to thread into the 
arm. This keeps the clearance acceptable and the connection tight.  I've just 
considered the case of moving the carriage on a straight, non-spiral cut and 
how to hold the index with the axis.  With the gears disengaged, the original 
indexing pin can be used as normal as long as the arm remains pinned to the 
SiG.  It's in the middle of some test runs and the first three passes of 8 
worked just fine. It really doesn't take much time to move the pin (screw) to 
the next index, but it is not as fast as a tapered pin like the original. It 
will get better with the socket head screw.  I'm open to ideas.

 

I have completed the spoon bowl and put the first coat of oil on it today.  
It's a looker alright. A couple more coats and a polish (wax) will be the 
makeup for a photo in a couple days.

The test run is trying to salvage the little spoon spiral that I buggered up 
using the "old" methods. 

 

DanK

 

On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 8:27:23 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

  
<https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/attach/1937dc9e10d53/image001.png?part=0.1>
 Dan I thought you might have put your indexing screw in from the back instead 
of from the front, having a point on the end of the screw might help speed up 
your indexing time . I can see how your

Re: First LOM twist

[Tim Ziegler]

.
>>>>
>>>> I have done the gauge block method for so long and so many times now I
>>>> find it more easy for me, but in the end what ever method each user uses as
>>>> long as they are comfortable with it is the important thing  as curt says
>>>> there a many ways to skin a cat and when the end result is a perfect spiral
>>>> each way is all good
>>>>
>>>> Keep those good inventive ideas coming Dan I love legacy mill mods.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <
>>>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Dan Krager
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, 29 July 2022 8:50 AM
>>>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>>>> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I did post a link to a very short video
>>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/15pIQani7juLUeyE8zVCWRzfkDm47Uou3/view?usp=sharing>
>>>> about the index arm movement.  I'm not set up for video making.  The
>>>> pictures tell the whole story pretty well, but I'll see about getting
>>>> enough to show a couple starts.  I'm salvaging the buggered up small spoon
>>>> so that might be a good candidate tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>> DanK
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 1:16:10 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey Dan,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thats super cool when a plan comes together. Can you do a short video
>>>> and post it as well so we
>>>>
>>>> can all get a little better hand on how it all works and come together?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>
>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>
>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>
>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>>
>>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 10:36 AM Dan Krager  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The final piece has been made and installed.  I am thrilled that
>>>> FINALLY, one of my ideas has worked out!  And it does work reliably.  The
>>>> weak part of the design is the time consumed to change the pin because it
>>>> threads into the bar on the other side of the SIG, though it is not bad. I
>>>> used a slotted machine screw because that is what I had with a taper, but I
>>>> am planning to replace that with a flat head socket screw for easier wrench
>>>> work and easier to insert into next hole.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> DanK
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 12:02:51 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Dan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Very nice work On your spoon!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am very happy for you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Keep up the good work,
>>>>
>>>> I too, am looking
>>>>
>>>> forward to seeing your bowl.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> C.A.G.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 05:03:23 PM EDT, bulk...@mmnet.com.au <
>>>> bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On the contrary its very much to look at very nice work Dan cant wait
>>>> to see the bowl
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <
>>>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Dan Krager
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 26 July 2022 2:49 AM
>>>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>>>> *Subject:* First LOM twist
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi guys.  I'm still riding a high of s

Re: First LOM twist

[Dan Krager]

Those look like a good solution and I would jump on it in a heartbeat if 
only that head and ring assembly would clear. One other issue is that the 
arm is not secured tightly to the axis so there is slight lateral movement 
that is eliminated when my screw tightens.  Yes, the fit on the flats is 
almost interference fit, but that doesn't eliminate lateral movement that 
can disengage a loose pin. This screw pin is only 10-24 x 7/16" long OA and 
it barely clears.  Those spring loaded things are monstrous by comparison. 
If I were willing to modify original equipment permanently, things could be 
different.  I could make another spindle...

Re: margins.  I'm using the default margins on desktop, so I have assumed 
automatic margin controls on other devices.  If not, how does one limit the 
margins on desktop?  For this post I shrank the window to 1/3 width, but I 
doubt it will make a difference.

DanK

On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 10:55:55 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Dan,
>
> Here is what Curt showed me to use. They work excellent but you need space 
> to make it work.
> Way faster than screws or cap screws. 
> When you respond or email can you keep it narrower? It's tough to read 
> when you have to scroll left to right or vise versa. 
> Anyway check out these and let me know what you think. 
>
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Spring-Plunger-Stainless-Non-Locking-Hand-Retractable/dp/B09G37QQ27/ref=asc_df_B09G37QQ27/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=569762016156&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16569521696965764528&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9020090&hvtargid=pla-1652281026128&th=1
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 8:37 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
>> Bill, I put the screw in from the outside to be able to use a screw 
>> driver better.  I hate slotted screws, so it will be replaced by a flat 
>> head hex machine screw.  I couldn't think of how to hold this tiny thing, 
>> so I threaded the hole in the axis arm and pass the screw through the SIG 
>> to thread into the arm. This keeps the clearance acceptable and the 
>> connection tight.  I've just considered the case of moving the carriage on 
>> a straight, non-spiral cut and how to hold the index with the axis.  With 
>> the gears disengaged, the original indexing pin can be used as normal as 
>> long as the arm remains pinned to the SiG.  It's in the middle of some test 
>> runs and the first three passes of 8 worked just fine. It really doesn't 
>> take much time to move the pin (screw) to the next index, but it is not as 
>> fast as a tapered pin like the original. It will get better with the socket 
>> head screw.  I'm open to ideas.
>>
>> I have completed the spoon bowl and put the first coat of oil on it 
>> today.  It's a looker alright. A couple more coats and a polish (wax) will 
>> be the makeup for a photo in a couple days.
>> The test run is trying to salvage the little spoon spiral that I buggered 
>> up using the "old" methods. 
>>
>> DanK
>>
>> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 8:27:23 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>>
>>> Dan I thought you might have put your indexing screw in from the back 
>>> instead of from the front, having a point on the end of the screw might 
>>> help speed up your indexing time . I can see how your idea works without a 
>>> video, it is a different way of indexing the starts on a spiral the idea is 
>>> very similar to curts design I can see how it will make indexing easier 
>>>  and more simple for you as curts one did for him.
>>>
>>> I have done the gauge block method for so long and so many times now I 
>>> find it more easy for me, but in the end what ever method each user uses as 
>>> long as they are comfortable with it is the important thing  as curt says 
>>> there a many ways to skin a cat and when the end result is a perfect spiral 
>>> each way is all good
>>>
>>> Keep those good inventive ideas coming Dan I love legacy mill mods.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>>> *On Behalf Of *Dan Krager
>>> *Sent:* Friday, 29 July 2022 8:50 AM
>>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>>> *Subject:* Re: F

Re: First LOM twist

[Tim Ziegler]

Hey Dan,

Here is what Curt showed me to use. They work excellent but you need space
to make it work.
Way faster than screws or cap screws.
When you respond or email can you keep it narrower? It's tough to read when
you have to scroll left to right or vise versa.
Anyway check out these and let me know what you think.


https://www.amazon.com/Spring-Plunger-Stainless-Non-Locking-Hand-Retractable/dp/B09G37QQ27/ref=asc_df_B09G37QQ27/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=569762016156&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16569521696965764528&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9020090&hvtargid=pla-1652281026128&th=1

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 8:37 PM Dan Krager  wrote:

> Bill, I put the screw in from the outside to be able to use a screw driver
> better.  I hate slotted screws, so it will be replaced by a flat head hex
> machine screw.  I couldn't think of how to hold this tiny thing, so I
> threaded the hole in the axis arm and pass the screw through the SIG to
> thread into the arm. This keeps the clearance acceptable and the connection
> tight.  I've just considered the case of moving the carriage on a straight,
> non-spiral cut and how to hold the index with the axis.  With the gears
> disengaged, the original indexing pin can be used as normal as long as the
> arm remains pinned to the SiG.  It's in the middle of some test runs and
> the first three passes of 8 worked just fine. It really doesn't take much
> time to move the pin (screw) to the next index, but it is not as fast as a
> tapered pin like the original. It will get better with the socket head
> screw.  I'm open to ideas.
>
> I have completed the spoon bowl and put the first coat of oil on it
> today.  It's a looker alright. A couple more coats and a polish (wax) will
> be the makeup for a photo in a couple days.
> The test run is trying to salvage the little spoon spiral that I buggered
> up using the "old" methods.
>
> DanK
>
> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 8:27:23 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>
>> Dan I thought you might have put your indexing screw in from the back
>> instead of from the front, having a point on the end of the screw might
>> help speed up your indexing time . I can see how your idea works without a
>> video, it is a different way of indexing the starts on a spiral the idea is
>> very similar to curts design I can see how it will make indexing easier
>>  and more simple for you as curts one did for him.
>>
>> I have done the gauge block method for so long and so many times now I
>> find it more easy for me, but in the end what ever method each user uses as
>> long as they are comfortable with it is the important thing  as curt says
>> there a many ways to skin a cat and when the end result is a perfect spiral
>> each way is all good
>>
>> Keep those good inventive ideas coming Dan I love legacy mill mods.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
>> *On Behalf Of *Dan Krager
>> *Sent:* Friday, 29 July 2022 8:50 AM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>>
>>
>>
>> I did post a link to a very short video
>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/15pIQani7juLUeyE8zVCWRzfkDm47Uou3/view?usp=sharing>
>> about the index arm movement.  I'm not set up for video making.  The
>> pictures tell the whole story pretty well, but I'll see about getting
>> enough to show a couple starts.  I'm salvaging the buggered up small spoon
>> so that might be a good candidate tomorrow.
>>
>> DanK
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 1:16:10 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Hey Dan,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thats super cool when a plan comes together. Can you do a short video and
>> post it as well so we
>>
>> can all get a little better hand on how it all works and come together?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 10:36 AM Dan Krager  wrote:
>>
>> The final piece has been made and installed.  I am thrilled that FINALL

Re: First LOM twist

[Dan Krager]

Bill, I put the screw in from the outside to be able to use a screw driver 
better.  I hate slotted screws, so it will be replaced by a flat head hex 
machine screw.  I couldn't think of how to hold this tiny thing, so I 
threaded the hole in the axis arm and pass the screw through the SIG to 
thread into the arm. This keeps the clearance acceptable and the connection 
tight.  I've just considered the case of moving the carriage on a straight, 
non-spiral cut and how to hold the index with the axis.  With the gears 
disengaged, the original indexing pin can be used as normal as long as the 
arm remains pinned to the SiG.  It's in the middle of some test runs and 
the first three passes of 8 worked just fine. It really doesn't take much 
time to move the pin (screw) to the next index, but it is not as fast as a 
tapered pin like the original. It will get better with the socket head 
screw.  I'm open to ideas.

I have completed the spoon bowl and put the first coat of oil on it today.  
It's a looker alright. A couple more coats and a polish (wax) will be the 
makeup for a photo in a couple days.
The test run is trying to salvage the little spoon spiral that I buggered 
up using the "old" methods. 

DanK

On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 8:27:23 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> Dan I thought you might have put your indexing screw in from the back 
> instead of from the front, having a point on the end of the screw might 
> help speed up your indexing time . I can see how your idea works without a 
> video, it is a different way of indexing the starts on a spiral the idea is 
> very similar to curts design I can see how it will make indexing easier 
>  and more simple for you as curts one did for him.
>
> I have done the gauge block method for so long and so many times now I 
> find it more easy for me, but in the end what ever method each user uses as 
> long as they are comfortable with it is the important thing  as curt says 
> there a many ways to skin a cat and when the end result is a perfect spiral 
> each way is all good
>
> Keep those good inventive ideas coming Dan I love legacy mill mods.
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Dan Krager
> *Sent:* Friday, 29 July 2022 8:50 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>
>  
>
> I did post a link to a very short video 
> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/15pIQani7juLUeyE8zVCWRzfkDm47Uou3/view?usp=sharing>
>  
> about the index arm movement.  I'm not set up for video making.  The 
> pictures tell the whole story pretty well, but I'll see about getting 
> enough to show a couple starts.  I'm salvaging the buggered up small spoon 
> so that might be a good candidate tomorrow.
>
> DanK
>
>  
>
> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 1:16:10 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hey Dan,
>
>  
>
> Thats super cool when a plan comes together. Can you do a short video and 
> post it as well so we
>
> can all get a little better hand on how it all works and come together?
>
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 10:36 AM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
> The final piece has been made and installed.  I am thrilled that FINALLY, 
> one of my ideas has worked out!  And it does work reliably.  The weak part 
> of the design is the time consumed to change the pin because it threads 
> into the bar on the other side of the SIG, though it is not bad. I used a 
> slotted machine screw because that is what I had with a taper, but I am 
> planning to replace that with a flat head socket screw for easier wrench 
> work and easier to insert into next hole.  
>
>  
>
> DanK
>
> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 12:02:51 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
>
> Hello Dan
>
>  
>
> Very nice work On your spoon!
>
>  
>
> I am very happy for you.  
>
>  
>
> Keep up the good work, 
>
> I too, am looking
>
> forward to seeing your bowl.
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
>
>  
>
> On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 05:03:23 PM EDT, bulk...@mmnet.com.au <
> bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote: 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On the contrary its very much to look at very nice work Dan cant wait to 
> see the bowl
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Dan Krager
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 26 July 2022 2:49 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills

Re: First LOM twist

[Tim Ziegler]

Thanks Dan,

Yeah I don't do many videos either and I did watch your short vid you did
prior.
Its great its working the way you want it too.
Did you send another pic of the spoon or only the one so far?

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 5:50 PM Dan Krager  wrote:

> I did post a link to a very short video
> 
> about the index arm movement.  I'm not set up for video making.  The
> pictures tell the whole story pretty well, but I'll see about getting
> enough to show a couple starts.  I'm salvaging the buggered up small spoon
> so that might be a good candidate tomorrow.
> DanK
>
> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 1:16:10 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey Dan,
>>
>> Thats super cool when a plan comes together. Can you do a short video and
>> post it as well so we
>> can all get a little better hand on how it all works and come together?
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 10:36 AM Dan Krager  wrote:
>>
>>> The final piece has been made and installed.  I am thrilled that
>>> FINALLY, one of my ideas has worked out!  And it does work reliably.  The
>>> weak part of the design is the time consumed to change the pin because it
>>> threads into the bar on the other side of the SIG, though it is not bad. I
>>> used a slotted machine screw because that is what I had with a taper, but I
>>> am planning to replace that with a flat head socket screw for easier wrench
>>> work and easier to insert into next hole.
>>>
>>> [image: temp5.JPG]
>>> DanK
>>> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 12:02:51 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
>>>
 Hello Dan

 Very nice work On your spoon!

 I am very happy for you.

 Keep up the good work,
 I too, am looking
 forward to seeing your bowl.

 C.A.G.

 On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 05:03:23 PM EDT, bulk...@mmnet.com.au <
 bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:


 On the contrary its very much to look at very nice work Dan cant wait
 to see the bowl



 Bill



 *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <
 legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Dan Krager
 *Sent:* Tuesday, 26 July 2022 2:49 AM
 *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 *Subject:* First LOM twist



 Hi guys.  I'm still riding a high of successfully cutting my first
 involute spur gear for one of my machines.



 So, riding that high, I decided to do some wood turnng. Utensils came
 to mind, so very soon a couple of spoon blanks were on the LOM for another
 first...the first twists cut on the REVO.  Used a straight 1/2" up cut
 spiral bit against the side. Six starts.  Not much to look at for design
 and the handle is much to large, but the pear wood cuts beautifully.
 Another smaller spoon is on its way.



 Now to carve the bowl.  This stuff is HARD.

 DanK

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Re: First LOM twist

[Dan Krager]

I did post a link to a very short video 

 
about the index arm movement.  I'm not set up for video making.  The 
pictures tell the whole story pretty well, but I'll see about getting 
enough to show a couple starts.  I'm salvaging the buggered up small spoon 
so that might be a good candidate tomorrow.
DanK

On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 1:16:10 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Dan,
>
> Thats super cool when a plan comes together. Can you do a short video and 
> post it as well so we
> can all get a little better hand on how it all works and come together?
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 10:36 AM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
>> The final piece has been made and installed.  I am thrilled that FINALLY, 
>> one of my ideas has worked out!  And it does work reliably.  The weak part 
>> of the design is the time consumed to change the pin because it threads 
>> into the bar on the other side of the SIG, though it is not bad. I used a 
>> slotted machine screw because that is what I had with a taper, but I am 
>> planning to replace that with a flat head socket screw for easier wrench 
>> work and easier to insert into next hole.  
>>
>> [image: temp5.JPG]
>> DanK
>> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 12:02:51 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Dan
>>>
>>> Very nice work On your spoon!
>>>
>>> I am very happy for you.  
>>>
>>> Keep up the good work, 
>>> I too, am looking
>>> forward to seeing your bowl.
>>>
>>> C.A.G.
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 05:03:23 PM EDT, bulk...@mmnet.com.au <
>>> bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> On the contrary its very much to look at very nice work Dan cant wait to 
>>> see the bowl
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>>> *On Behalf Of *Dan Krager
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 26 July 2022 2:49 AM
>>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>>> *Subject:* First LOM twist
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Hi guys.  I'm still riding a high of successfully cutting my first 
>>> involute spur gear for one of my machines.  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> So, riding that high, I decided to do some wood turnng. Utensils came to 
>>> mind, so very soon a couple of spoon blanks were on the LOM for another 
>>> first...the first twists cut on the REVO.  Used a straight 1/2" up cut 
>>> spiral bit against the side. Six starts.  Not much to look at for design 
>>> and the handle is much to large, but the pear wood cuts beautifully.  
>>> Another smaller spoon is on its way.  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Now to carve the bowl.  This stuff is HARD.  
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Re: First LOM twist

[Tim Ziegler]

Hey Dan,

Thats super cool when a plan comes together. Can you do a short video and
post it as well so we
can all get a little better hand on how it all works and come together?

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 10:36 AM Dan Krager  wrote:

> The final piece has been made and installed.  I am thrilled that FINALLY,
> one of my ideas has worked out!  And it does work reliably.  The weak part
> of the design is the time consumed to change the pin because it threads
> into the bar on the other side of the SIG, though it is not bad. I used a
> slotted machine screw because that is what I had with a taper, but I am
> planning to replace that with a flat head socket screw for easier wrench
> work and easier to insert into next hole.
>
> [image: temp5.JPG]
> DanK
> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 12:02:51 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
>
>> Hello Dan
>>
>> Very nice work On your spoon!
>>
>> I am very happy for you.
>>
>> Keep up the good work,
>> I too, am looking
>> forward to seeing your bowl.
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 05:03:23 PM EDT, bulk...@mmnet.com.au <
>> bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On the contrary its very much to look at very nice work Dan cant wait to
>> see the bowl
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
>> *On Behalf Of *Dan Krager
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 26 July 2022 2:49 AM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> *Subject:* First LOM twist
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi guys.  I'm still riding a high of successfully cutting my first
>> involute spur gear for one of my machines.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, riding that high, I decided to do some wood turnng. Utensils came to
>> mind, so very soon a couple of spoon blanks were on the LOM for another
>> first...the first twists cut on the REVO.  Used a straight 1/2" up cut
>> spiral bit against the side. Six starts.  Not much to look at for design
>> and the handle is much to large, but the pear wood cuts beautifully.
>> Another smaller spoon is on its way.
>>
>>
>>
>> Now to carve the bowl.  This stuff is HARD.
>>
>> DanK
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RE: First LOM twist

[bulkeley]

Glad it worked cant tell very much from the pic but I’m sure it works well

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Dan Krager
Sent: Friday, 29 July 2022 1:36 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: First LOM twist

 

The final piece has been made and installed.  I am thrilled that FINALLY, one 
of my ideas has worked out!  And it does work reliably.  The weak part of the 
design is the time consumed to change the pin because it threads into the bar 
on the other side of the SIG, though it is not bad. I used a slotted machine 
screw because that is what I had with a taper, but I am planning to replace 
that with a flat head socket screw for easier wrench work and easier to insert 
into next hole.  

 



DanK

On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 12:02:51 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

Hello Dan

 

Very nice work On your spoon!

 

I am very happy for you.  

 

Keep up the good work, 

I too, am looking

forward to seeing your bowl.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 05:03:23 PM EDT, bulk...@mmnet.com.au 
<mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au>  mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

On the contrary its very much to look at very nice work Dan cant wait to see 
the bowl

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Dan Krager
Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2022 2:49 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: First LOM twist

 

Hi guys.  I'm still riding a high of successfully cutting my first involute 
spur gear for one of my machines.  

 

So, riding that high, I decided to do some wood turnng. Utensils came to mind, 
so very soon a couple of spoon blanks were on the LOM for another first...the 
first twists cut on the REVO.  Used a straight 1/2" up cut spiral bit against 
the side. Six starts.  Not much to look at for design and the handle is much to 
large, but the pear wood cuts beautifully.  Another smaller spoon is on its 
way.  

 

Now to carve the bowl.  This stuff is HARD.  

  
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Re: First LOM twist

[Dan Krager]

The final piece has been made and installed.  I am thrilled that FINALLY, 
one of my ideas has worked out!  And it does work reliably.  The weak part 
of the design is the time consumed to change the pin because it threads 
into the bar on the other side of the SIG, though it is not bad. I used a 
slotted machine screw because that is what I had with a taper, but I am 
planning to replace that with a flat head socket screw for easier wrench 
work and easier to insert into next hole.  

[image: temp5.JPG]
DanK
On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 12:02:51 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> Hello Dan
>
> Very nice work On your spoon!
>
> I am very happy for you.  
>
> Keep up the good work, 
> I too, am looking
> forward to seeing your bowl.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 05:03:23 PM EDT, bulk...@mmnet.com.au <
> bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote: 
>
>
> On the contrary its very much to look at very nice work Dan cant wait to 
> see the bowl
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Dan Krager
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 26 July 2022 2:49 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* First LOM twist
>
>  
>
> Hi guys.  I'm still riding a high of successfully cutting my first 
> involute spur gear for one of my machines.  
>
>  
>
> So, riding that high, I decided to do some wood turnng. Utensils came to 
> mind, so very soon a couple of spoon blanks were on the LOM for another 
> first...the first twists cut on the REVO.  Used a straight 1/2" up cut 
> spiral bit against the side. Six starts.  Not much to look at for design 
> and the handle is much to large, but the pear wood cuts beautifully.  
> Another smaller spoon is on its way.  
>
>  
>
> Now to carve the bowl.  This stuff is HARD.  
>
> DanK
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Re: First LOM twist

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

 Hello Dan
Very nice work On your spoon!
I am very happy for you.  
Keep up the good work, I too, am lookingforward to seeing your bowl.
C.A.G.
On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 05:03:23 PM EDT, bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
 wrote:  
 
 
On the contrary its very much to look at very nice work Dan cant wait to see 
the bowl

  

Bill

  

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Dan Krager
Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2022 2:49 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: First LOM twist

  

Hi guys.  I'm still riding a high of successfully cutting my first involute 
spur gear for one of my machines.  

  

So, riding that high, I decided to do some wood turnng. Utensils came to mind, 
so very soon a couple of spoon blanks were on the LOM for another first...the 
first twists cut on the REVO.  Used a straight 1/2" up cut spiral bit against 
the side. Six starts.  Not much to look at for design and the handle is much to 
large, but the pear wood cuts beautifully.  Another smaller spoon is on its 
way.  

  

Now to carve the bowl.  This stuff is HARD.  



DanK

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RE: First LOM twist

[bulkeley]

The only problem with this idea I can see is it will only work on revo mills 
the legacy mills the headstock is hollow so bottoming out the screw to hold the 
index gear up won’t be possible

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Thursday, 28 July 2022 12:52 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: First LOM twist

 

Sure excited to see the completed process Dan. Keep the creative ideas flowing. 

It does look like it may work similar to Curts Indexing system. 


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 9:07 PM Dan Krager mailto:cdkra...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Here is a link to the very short video 
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/15pIQani7juLUeyE8zVCWRzfkDm47Uou3/view?usp=sharing>
  showing the freedom of movement when not indexed.
DanK

On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 9:51:06 PM UTC-4 Dan Krager wrote:

Thanks for the helpful links and suggestions.  I'm trying to eliminate the need 
for spacer blocks or unlatching the screw, calculating starts using 
circumference and cutter width etc.. IMHO those are all irrelevant to a 
"proper" setup that doesn't need them. 

 

As explained before, there has to be a break in the sync between rotation and 
the travel to move to the next cut.  I contend that should be a mechanically 
controlled move at a direct index plate.  And here is how I am doing it.

 

I removed the standard gear, plugged the hole and drilled it 5/16 smooth and 
centered, and replaced it with an arm that extends over the ring of index 
holes. I don't have the pin arrangement yet.

  
<https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/attach/477c39c455799/temp1.JPG?part=0.1&view=1>
 

Then I found a bolt just the right length that bottoms out in the hole before 
the head gets tight on the assembly.  Some washers helped out with that. 

  
<https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/attach/477c39c455799/temp2.JPG?part=0.2&view=1>
 

Then applied the standard index gear so that it freewheels on the bolt while 
engaging the rest of the train. 

  
<https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/attach/477c39c455799/temp3.JPG?part=0.4&view=1>
 

The clearance is very tight so a clever pin arrangement will somehow be 
forthcoming.

  
<https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/attach/477c39c455799/temp4.JPG?part=0.3&view=1>
 

Now, you might determine that the "lathe" spindle (the axis of the turning) is 
independent of the gear until a pin through the new arm locks it to the index 
ring. I have a video but don't know how to show it here.  You're not missing 
much

 

So as described before, any division supported by a 24 hole index can be 
applied to determine the number of starts regardless of spindle diameter or 
cutter size. After the first cut, the arm is moved to the next start index and 
the cut resumed. No need to disengage the threads. The same cuts as before and 
many more can easily be made with no restrictions or math. No mods were made to 
the original equipment (the SIG plug can be pressed out) and the only new piece 
is the arm, not counting the washers or 1 1/4" standard socket head cap screw. 
A proper machinist would have made a bushing for the SiG to spin upon, but hey, 
with low speed and light use this will last a lifetime. 

 

DanK

On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 12:01:17 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

Hello Dan

 

If you having problems there are a number of different ways to rope on the 
Legacy.

Like Bill said you can use spacer blocks to make your spacing between ropes. 
that method worked very

well for me for a number of years.

 

Mike Pung made two video's on gear indexing and carriage travel indexing, Both 
works very well.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw&t=7s> &t=7s Roping/Carriage travel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o&t=4s> &t=4s Crank handle indexing.

 

Wish you luck.

 

Enjoy!

 

C.A.G.

 

 

 

 

On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 05:37:07 AM EDT, Dan Krager mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Thanks for all the encouraging tips, ideas, and warnings!  I had some 
beginner's luck on the first twist. I'm convinced that my simple idea will 
work, so I'll document the result here.  Might not be today.  Got some loose 
end projects to wrap up, i.e. carve the bowl.  

DanK

 

On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 10:27:07 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

Curts jig he made does that I haven’t got one to see if it will work on the 
revo 

I index by undoing the leadscew nut and moving the saddle along in multiples of 
¼ inch which is the threads per i

Re: First LOM twist

[Tim Ziegler]

;>
>>>
>>> Be warned too don’t trust the index drive centre of the revo the nut
>>> that holds it can come slightly loose and it can be sloppy on the square
>>>
>>> And you wont notice till your spirals or reeds and flutes are not all
>>> the same I welded a leadscrew locking collar to the back of the drive
>>> centre
>>>
>>> So I can clamp it to the headstock shaft as well as use the nut now it
>>> never ever moves. You will rack your brain trying to work out what is wrong
>>> with your spirals and indexes when this happens it drove me insane till I
>>> worked it out, it was more noticeable on larger dia work I worked it out
>>> when I was doing my big bolts and nuts on the revo , same as on the legacy
>>> you need to clamp the index gear from moving when doing heavy indexed cuts
>>> . the legacys all legacys have slop problems in some way once you know them
>>> you can overcome the problems,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
>>> *On Behalf Of *Dan Krager
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 26 July 2022 11:17 AM
>>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>>> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I got side tracked from spoon bowl cutting (with Austrian spoon knives)
>>> by going on to do the next twist on a smaller spoon (used up the stick).  I
>>> guess I didn't get the math right and buggered it up.  It was too small to
>>> use the regular drives on the spindle, so I used my little square drive
>>> that threads on.  It came loose on a reverse movement, further buggering up
>>> the twist.  So I will fix that by milling wrench flats on it so I can
>>> wrench tighten it.  Now that brings me to a BIG question.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> WHY IN BLUE BLAZES DIDN'T THE PHANTOM ENGINEERS USE THE INDEXING FEATURE
>>> to do twists? Couldn't they figure this out?  Instead, it appears that you
>>> must go through this Rube Goldberg procedure,  do some math to get the
>>> right number of starts taking into consideration the size of the cutter and
>>> the diameter of the work.Then one must break the sync by moving the
>>> carriage. This risky uncontrolled procedure severely limits the diameters,
>>> cutters, and patterns in most cases. The only use for the index is to do
>>> lateral cuts without syncing to the drive spur. The solution appears to be
>>> so simple that even I will figure it out and do it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The basic principle of LOM is that the sync between rotation and lateral
>>> travel is maintained by the gear train. To move to the next start requires
>>> breaking that sync somehow.  And I want to move to the next start in a
>>> mechanically controlled manner using an index (dividing) plate to keep it
>>> simple. It would also seem reasonable to have different plates available or
>>> a plate with all the  commonly used factors like 2,3,4,5,6,8,9,10,12.
>>> Putting fine divisions on approximates checkering and that many sync breaks
>>> leads to trouble.  Unless mechanically controlled. Using a direct index
>>> plate eliminates the math and other limitations.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So I'm looking for the simplest, cheapest and most reliable solution.
>>> Me thinks such a solution will focus on the connection between the
>>> "standard index gear" and the drive spur shaft.  Right now the SIG is
>>> screwed onto the outboard end of the drive spur shaft and locked to it by a
>>> square on the shaft penetrating the SIG. If the SIG were moved outboard
>>> onto a free wheeling arrangement essentially extending the shaft a bit,
>>> then a flat finger placed onto the drive square, and that assembly secured
>>> to the outboard end, one could break and re-establish the sync at will
>>> mechanically. The SIG would have moved leftward 1/8" displaced by the 1/8"
>>> thick finger that is locked onto the drive spur shaft where the gear used
>>> to be. The SiG would be fitted with a bushing to allow it to freewheel to
>>> the immediate left of the drive square.  Now the finger is pointed and the
>>> point bent 90° to engage the holes in the SIG with its 24 holes (until a
>>> better deal is reached).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So the setup starts out the same, but one notes which hole the finger is
>>> in.  Make the cut.  Spring the fing

Re: First LOM twist

[Dan Krager]

Here is a link to the very short video 
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/15pIQani7juLUeyE8zVCWRzfkDm47Uou3/view?usp=sharing>
 
showing the freedom of movement when not indexed.
DanK
On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 9:51:06 PM UTC-4 Dan Krager wrote:

> Thanks for the helpful links and suggestions.  I'm trying to eliminate the 
> need for spacer blocks or unlatching the screw, calculating starts using 
> circumference and cutter width etc.. IMHO those are all irrelevant to a 
> "proper" setup that doesn't need them. 
>
> As explained before, there has to be a break in the sync between rotation 
> and the travel to move to the next cut.  I contend that should be a 
> mechanically controlled move at a direct index plate.  And here is how I am 
> doing it.
>
> I removed the standard gear, plugged the hole and drilled it 5/16 smooth 
> and centered, and replaced it with an arm that extends over the ring of 
> index holes. I don't have the pin arrangement yet.
> [image: temp1.JPG]
> Then I found a bolt just the right length that bottoms out in the hole 
> before the head gets tight on the assembly.  Some washers helped out with 
> that. 
> [image: temp2.JPG]
> Then applied the standard index gear so that it freewheels on the bolt 
> while engaging the rest of the train. 
> [image: temp3.JPG]
> The clearance is very tight so a clever pin arrangement will somehow be 
> forthcoming.
> [image: temp4.JPG]
> Now, you might determine that the "lathe" spindle (the axis of the 
> turning) is independent of the gear until a pin through the new arm locks 
> it to the index ring. I have a video but don't know how to show it here.  
> You're not missing much
>
> So as described before, any division supported by a 24 hole index can be 
> applied to determine the number of starts regardless of spindle diameter or 
> cutter size. After the first cut, the arm is moved to the next start index 
> and the cut resumed. No need to disengage the threads. The same cuts as 
> before and many more can easily be made with no restrictions or math. No 
> mods were made to the original equipment (the SIG plug can be pressed out) 
> and the only new piece is the arm, not counting the washers or 1 1/4" 
> standard socket head cap screw. A proper machinist would have made a 
> bushing for the SiG to spin upon, but hey, with low speed and light use 
> this will last a lifetime. 
>
> DanK
> On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 12:01:17 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
>
>> Hello Dan
>>
>> If you having problems there are a number of different ways to rope on 
>> the Legacy.
>> Like Bill said you can use spacer blocks to make your spacing between 
>> ropes. that method worked very
>> well for me for a number of years.
>>
>> Mike Pung made two video's on gear indexing and carriage travel indexing, 
>> Both works very well.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw&t=7s Roping/Carriage travel.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o&t=4s Crank handle indexing.
>>
>> Wish you luck.
>>
>> Enjoy!
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 05:37:07 AM EDT, Dan Krager <
>> cdkr...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Thanks for all the encouraging tips, ideas, and warnings!  I had some 
>> beginner's luck on the first twist. I'm convinced that my simple idea will 
>> work, so I'll document the result here.  Might not be today.  Got some 
>> loose end projects to wrap up, i.e. carve the bowl.  
>> DanK
>>
>> On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 10:27:07 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>>
>> Curts jig he made does that I haven’t got one to see if it will work on 
>> the revo 
>>
>> I index by undoing the leadscew nut and moving the saddle along in 
>> multiples of ¼ inch which is the threads per inch of the leadscrew
>>
>> I use set up blocks for this so I don’t have to count threads then 
>> re-engage the nut again.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Be warned too don’t trust the index drive centre of the revo the nut that 
>> holds it can come slightly loose and it can be sloppy on the square 
>>
>> And you wont notice till your spirals or reeds and flutes are not all the 
>> same I welded a leadscrew locking collar to the back of the drive centre 
>>
>> So I can clamp it to the headstock shaft as well as use the nut now it 
>> never ever moves. You will rack your brain trying to work out what is wrong 
>> with your spirals and indexes when this happens it drove me insane till I 
>> worked it out, it was more noticeable on larger 

Re: First LOM twist

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

 Hello Dan
If you having problems there are a number of different ways to rope on the 
Legacy.Like Bill said you can use spacer blocks to make your spacing between 
ropes. that method worked verywell for me for a number of years.
Mike Pung made two video's on gear indexing and carriage travel indexing, Both 
works very well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw&t=7s Roping/Carriage 
travel.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o&t=4s Crank handle indexing.

Wish you luck.
Enjoy!
C.A.G.



On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 05:37:07 AM EDT, Dan Krager 
 wrote:  
 
 Thanks for all the encouraging tips, ideas, and warnings!  I had some 
beginner's luck on the first twist. I'm convinced that my simple idea will 
work, so I'll document the result here.  Might not be today.  Got some loose 
end projects to wrap up, i.e. carve the bowl.  
DanK

On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 10:27:07 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:


Curts jig he made does that I haven’t got one to see if it will work on the 
revo 

I index by undoing the leadscew nut and moving the saddle along in multiples of 
¼ inch which is the threads per inch of the leadscrew

I use set up blocks for this so I don’t have to count threads then re-engage 
the nut again.

 

Be warned too don’t trust the index drive centre of the revo the nut that holds 
it can come slightly loose and it can be sloppy on the square 

And you wont notice till your spirals or reeds and flutes are not all the same 
I welded a leadscrew locking collar to the back of the drive centre 

So I can clamp it to the headstock shaft as well as use the nut now it never 
ever moves. You will rack your brain trying to work out what is wrong with your 
spirals and indexes when this happens it drove me insane till I worked it out, 
it was more noticeable on larger dia work I worked it out when I was doing my 
big bolts and nuts on the revo , same as on the legacy you need to clamp the 
index gear from moving when doing heavy indexed cuts . the legacys all legacys 
have slop problems in some way once you know them you can overcome the problems,

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Dan Krager
Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2022 11:17 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: First LOM twist

 

I got side tracked from spoon bowl cutting (with Austrian spoon knives) by 
going on to do the next twist on a smaller spoon (used up the stick).  I guess 
I didn't get the math right and buggered it up.  It was too small to use the 
regular drives on the spindle, so I used my little square drive that threads 
on.  It came loose on a reverse movement, further buggering up the twist.  So I 
will fix that by milling wrench flats on it so I can wrench tighten it.  Now 
that brings me to a BIG question.

 

WHY IN BLUE BLAZES DIDN'T THE PHANTOM ENGINEERS USE THE INDEXING FEATURE to do 
twists? Couldn't they figure this out?  Instead, it appears that you must go 
through this Rube Goldberg procedure,  do some math to get the right number of 
starts taking into consideration the size of the cutter and the diameter of the 
work.Then one must break the sync by moving the carriage. This risky 
uncontrolled procedure severely limits the diameters, cutters, and patterns in 
most cases. The only use for the index is to do lateral cuts without syncing to 
the drive spur. The solution appears to be so simple that even I will figure it 
out and do it.  

 

The basic principle of LOM is that the sync between rotation and lateral travel 
is maintained by the gear train. To move to the next start requires breaking 
that sync somehow.  And I want to move to the next start in a mechanically 
controlled manner using an index (dividing) plate to keep it simple. It would 
also seem reasonable to have different plates available or a plate with all the 
 commonly used factors like 2,3,4,5,6,8,9,10,12. Putting fine divisions on 
approximates checkering and that many sync breaks leads to trouble.  Unless 
mechanically controlled. Using a direct index plate eliminates the math and 
other limitations.  

 

So I'm looking for the simplest, cheapest and most reliable solution.  Me 
thinks such a solution will focus on the connection between the "standard index 
gear" and the drive spur shaft.  Right now the SIG is screwed onto the outboard 
end of the drive spur shaft and locked to it by a square on the shaft 
penetrating the SIG. If the SIG were moved outboard onto a free wheeling 
arrangement essentially extending the shaft a bit, then a flat finger placed 
onto the drive square, and that assembly secured to the outboard end, one could 
break and re-establish the sync at will mechanically. The SIG would have moved 
leftward 1/8" displaced by the 1/8" thick finger that is locked onto the drive 
spur shaft where the gear used to be. The SiG would be fitted with a bushing to 
allow it to freewheel to the immediate left of the drive square.  N

Re: First LOM twist

[Tim Ziegler]

Thanks Dan,

Yes, documentation is great, especially trying something new and it takes
off for you and becomes
a new way to do something. We all would want to learn it. I have a project
I will be posting to the
group here shortly too, but I have to get a part made so I most of my plan
in place but still waiting
for the part so I can do some mods.
Yes changes and trying new things is what makes this so fun. Lots of ways
to do things and each
of us has our own little idea's.
Looking forward to hearing about your results for sure.
Keep the gears turning my friend.
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 4:37 AM Dan Krager  wrote:

> Thanks for all the encouraging tips, ideas, and warnings!  I had some
> beginner's luck on the first twist. I'm convinced that my simple idea will
> work, so I'll document the result here.  Might not be today.  Got some
> loose end projects to wrap up, i.e. carve the bowl.
> DanK
>
> On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 10:27:07 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>
>> Curts jig he made does that I haven’t got one to see if it will work on
>> the revo
>>
>> I index by undoing the leadscew nut and moving the saddle along in
>> multiples of ¼ inch which is the threads per inch of the leadscrew
>>
>> I use set up blocks for this so I don’t have to count threads then
>> re-engage the nut again.
>>
>>
>>
>> Be warned too don’t trust the index drive centre of the revo the nut that
>> holds it can come slightly loose and it can be sloppy on the square
>>
>> And you wont notice till your spirals or reeds and flutes are not all the
>> same I welded a leadscrew locking collar to the back of the drive centre
>>
>> So I can clamp it to the headstock shaft as well as use the nut now it
>> never ever moves. You will rack your brain trying to work out what is wrong
>> with your spirals and indexes when this happens it drove me insane till I
>> worked it out, it was more noticeable on larger dia work I worked it out
>> when I was doing my big bolts and nuts on the revo , same as on the legacy
>> you need to clamp the index gear from moving when doing heavy indexed cuts
>> . the legacys all legacys have slop problems in some way once you know them
>> you can overcome the problems,
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
>> *On Behalf Of *Dan Krager
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 26 July 2022 11:17 AM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>>
>>
>>
>> I got side tracked from spoon bowl cutting (with Austrian spoon knives)
>> by going on to do the next twist on a smaller spoon (used up the stick).  I
>> guess I didn't get the math right and buggered it up.  It was too small to
>> use the regular drives on the spindle, so I used my little square drive
>> that threads on.  It came loose on a reverse movement, further buggering up
>> the twist.  So I will fix that by milling wrench flats on it so I can
>> wrench tighten it.  Now that brings me to a BIG question.
>>
>>
>>
>> WHY IN BLUE BLAZES DIDN'T THE PHANTOM ENGINEERS USE THE INDEXING FEATURE
>> to do twists? Couldn't they figure this out?  Instead, it appears that you
>> must go through this Rube Goldberg procedure,  do some math to get the
>> right number of starts taking into consideration the size of the cutter and
>> the diameter of the work.Then one must break the sync by moving the
>> carriage. This risky uncontrolled procedure severely limits the diameters,
>> cutters, and patterns in most cases. The only use for the index is to do
>> lateral cuts without syncing to the drive spur. The solution appears to be
>> so simple that even I will figure it out and do it.
>>
>>
>>
>> The basic principle of LOM is that the sync between rotation and lateral
>> travel is maintained by the gear train. To move to the next start requires
>> breaking that sync somehow.  And I want to move to the next start in a
>> mechanically controlled manner using an index (dividing) plate to keep it
>> simple. It would also seem reasonable to have different plates available or
>> a plate with all the  commonly used factors like 2,3,4,5,6,8,9,10,12.
>> Putting fine divisions on approximates checkering and that many sync breaks
>> leads to trouble.  Unless mechanically controlled. Using a direct index
>> plate eliminates the math and other limitations.
>>
>>
>>
>> So I'm looking for the simplest, cheapest and mos

Re: First LOM twist

[Dan Krager]

Thanks for all the encouraging tips, ideas, and warnings!  I had some 
beginner's luck on the first twist. I'm convinced that my simple idea will 
work, so I'll document the result here.  Might not be today.  Got some 
loose end projects to wrap up, i.e. carve the bowl.  
DanK

On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 10:27:07 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> Curts jig he made does that I haven’t got one to see if it will work on 
> the revo 
>
> I index by undoing the leadscew nut and moving the saddle along in 
> multiples of ¼ inch which is the threads per inch of the leadscrew
>
> I use set up blocks for this so I don’t have to count threads then 
> re-engage the nut again.
>
>  
>
> Be warned too don’t trust the index drive centre of the revo the nut that 
> holds it can come slightly loose and it can be sloppy on the square 
>
> And you wont notice till your spirals or reeds and flutes are not all the 
> same I welded a leadscrew locking collar to the back of the drive centre 
>
> So I can clamp it to the headstock shaft as well as use the nut now it 
> never ever moves. You will rack your brain trying to work out what is wrong 
> with your spirals and indexes when this happens it drove me insane till I 
> worked it out, it was more noticeable on larger dia work I worked it out 
> when I was doing my big bolts and nuts on the revo , same as on the legacy 
> you need to clamp the index gear from moving when doing heavy indexed cuts 
> . the legacys all legacys have slop problems in some way once you know them 
> you can overcome the problems,
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Dan Krager
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 26 July 2022 11:17 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>
>  
>
> I got side tracked from spoon bowl cutting (with Austrian spoon knives) by 
> going on to do the next twist on a smaller spoon (used up the stick).  I 
> guess I didn't get the math right and buggered it up.  It was too small to 
> use the regular drives on the spindle, so I used my little square drive 
> that threads on.  It came loose on a reverse movement, further buggering up 
> the twist.  So I will fix that by milling wrench flats on it so I can 
> wrench tighten it.  Now that brings me to a BIG question.
>
>  
>
> WHY IN BLUE BLAZES DIDN'T THE PHANTOM ENGINEERS USE THE INDEXING FEATURE 
> to do twists? Couldn't they figure this out?  Instead, it appears that you 
> must go through this Rube Goldberg procedure,  do some math to get the 
> right number of starts taking into consideration the size of the cutter and 
> the diameter of the work.Then one must break the sync by moving the 
> carriage. This risky uncontrolled procedure severely limits the diameters, 
> cutters, and patterns in most cases. The only use for the index is to do 
> lateral cuts without syncing to the drive spur. The solution appears to be 
> so simple that even I will figure it out and do it.  
>
>  
>
> The basic principle of LOM is that the sync between rotation and lateral 
> travel is maintained by the gear train. To move to the next start requires 
> breaking that sync somehow.  And I want to move to the next start in a 
> mechanically controlled manner using an index (dividing) plate to keep it 
> simple. It would also seem reasonable to have different plates available or 
> a plate with all the  commonly used factors like 2,3,4,5,6,8,9,10,12. 
> Putting fine divisions on approximates checkering and that many sync breaks 
> leads to trouble.  Unless mechanically controlled. Using a direct index 
> plate eliminates the math and other limitations.  
>
>  
>
> So I'm looking for the simplest, cheapest and most reliable solution.  Me 
> thinks such a solution will focus on the connection between the "standard 
> index gear" and the drive spur shaft.  Right now the SIG is screwed onto 
> the outboard end of the drive spur shaft and locked to it by a square on 
> the shaft penetrating the SIG. If the SIG were moved outboard onto a free 
> wheeling arrangement essentially extending the shaft a bit, then a flat 
> finger placed onto the drive square, and that assembly secured to the 
> outboard end, one could break and re-establish the sync at will 
> mechanically. The SIG would have moved leftward 1/8" displaced by the 1/8" 
> thick finger that is locked onto the drive spur shaft where the gear used 
> to be. The SiG would be fitted with a bushing to allow it to freewheel to 
> the immediate left of the drive square.  Now the finger is pointed and the 
> point bent 90° to engage the holes in the SIG with its 24 holes (until a 
> better deal is reached).  
>
>  
>
> 

RE: First LOM twist

[bulkeley]

Curts jig he made does that I haven’t got one to see if it will work on the 
revo 

I index by undoing the leadscew nut and moving the saddle along in multiples of 
¼ inch which is the threads per inch of the leadscrew

I use set up blocks for this so I don’t have to count threads then re-engage 
the nut again.

 

Be warned too don’t trust the index drive centre of the revo the nut that holds 
it can come slightly loose and it can be sloppy on the square 

And you wont notice till your spirals or reeds and flutes are not all the same 
I welded a leadscrew locking collar to the back of the drive centre 

So I can clamp it to the headstock shaft as well as use the nut now it never 
ever moves. You will rack your brain trying to work out what is wrong with your 
spirals and indexes when this happens it drove me insane till I worked it out, 
it was more noticeable on larger dia work I worked it out when I was doing my 
big bolts and nuts on the revo , same as on the legacy you need to clamp the 
index gear from moving when doing heavy indexed cuts . the legacys all legacys 
have slop problems in some way once you know them you can overcome the problems,

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Dan Krager
Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2022 11:17 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: First LOM twist

 

I got side tracked from spoon bowl cutting (with Austrian spoon knives) by 
going on to do the next twist on a smaller spoon (used up the stick).  I guess 
I didn't get the math right and buggered it up.  It was too small to use the 
regular drives on the spindle, so I used my little square drive that threads 
on.  It came loose on a reverse movement, further buggering up the twist.  So I 
will fix that by milling wrench flats on it so I can wrench tighten it.  Now 
that brings me to a BIG question.

 

WHY IN BLUE BLAZES DIDN'T THE PHANTOM ENGINEERS USE THE INDEXING FEATURE to do 
twists? Couldn't they figure this out?  Instead, it appears that you must go 
through this Rube Goldberg procedure,  do some math to get the right number of 
starts taking into consideration the size of the cutter and the diameter of the 
work.Then one must break the sync by moving the carriage. This risky 
uncontrolled procedure severely limits the diameters, cutters, and patterns in 
most cases. The only use for the index is to do lateral cuts without syncing to 
the drive spur. The solution appears to be so simple that even I will figure it 
out and do it.  

 

The basic principle of LOM is that the sync between rotation and lateral travel 
is maintained by the gear train. To move to the next start requires breaking 
that sync somehow.  And I want to move to the next start in a mechanically 
controlled manner using an index (dividing) plate to keep it simple. It would 
also seem reasonable to have different plates available or a plate with all the 
 commonly used factors like 2,3,4,5,6,8,9,10,12. Putting fine divisions on 
approximates checkering and that many sync breaks leads to trouble.  Unless 
mechanically controlled. Using a direct index plate eliminates the math and 
other limitations.  

 

So I'm looking for the simplest, cheapest and most reliable solution.  Me 
thinks such a solution will focus on the connection between the "standard index 
gear" and the drive spur shaft.  Right now the SIG is screwed onto the outboard 
end of the drive spur shaft and locked to it by a square on the shaft 
penetrating the SIG. If the SIG were moved outboard onto a free wheeling 
arrangement essentially extending the shaft a bit, then a flat finger placed 
onto the drive square, and that assembly secured to the outboard end, one could 
break and re-establish the sync at will mechanically. The SIG would have moved 
leftward 1/8" displaced by the 1/8" thick finger that is locked onto the drive 
spur shaft where the gear used to be. The SiG would be fitted with a bushing to 
allow it to freewheel to the immediate left of the drive square.  Now the 
finger is pointed and the point bent 90° to engage the holes in the SIG with 
its 24 holes (until a better deal is reached).  

 

So the setup starts out the same, but one notes which hole the finger is in.  
Make the cut.  Spring the finger out of the hole and rotate the spur (and work) 
to the next index location. The SIG remains stationary while the spur shaft 
turns controlled by the finger moving to the next index, thus breaking the sync 
for a moment and re-establishing sync at the next index. Next cut.  Rinse and 
repeat.

 

No further changes need be made because there is enough "slop" in the gear 
alignment to allow a 1/8" shift of the SiG without any trouble. This totally 
eliminates any math and allows a predictable number of starts on any diameter. 
One might adjust depth of cut, size of cutter, or make other adjustments at 
will without affecting the basic index positioning. This also works f

Re: First LOM twist

[Tim Ziegler]

Hey Dan,

Yes you have very good points, most of us use a spacer block to make the
change for indexing and it works very well. legacy of course has
you following the ruler. I did that when I first started and had all kinds
of challenges. so now a stop block and spacers that match the width of
my bit and not more challenges.
The other thing that works great but restricts you from getting close to
the end is Curts indexing plate. Look back in the archives or maybe
someone else will dig them up and show you what I mean.
Mostly I use the spacer system for getting in close to the work.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 8:17 PM Dan Krager  wrote:

> I got side tracked from spoon bowl cutting (with Austrian spoon knives) by
> going on to do the next twist on a smaller spoon (used up the stick).  I
> guess I didn't get the math right and buggered it up.  It was too small to
> use the regular drives on the spindle, so I used my little square drive
> that threads on.  It came loose on a reverse movement, further buggering up
> the twist.  So I will fix that by milling wrench flats on it so I can
> wrench tighten it.  Now that brings me to a BIG question.
>
> WHY IN BLUE BLAZES DIDN'T THE PHANTOM ENGINEERS USE THE INDEXING FEATURE
> to do twists? Couldn't they figure this out?  Instead, it appears that you
> must go through this Rube Goldberg procedure,  do some math to get the
> right number of starts taking into consideration the size of the cutter and
> the diameter of the work.Then one must break the sync by moving the
> carriage. This risky uncontrolled procedure severely limits the diameters,
> cutters, and patterns in most cases. The only use for the index is to do
> lateral cuts without syncing to the drive spur. The solution appears to be
> so simple that even I will figure it out and do it.
>
> The basic principle of LOM is that the sync between rotation and lateral
> travel is maintained by the gear train. To move to the next start requires
> breaking that sync somehow.  And I want to move to the next start in a
> mechanically controlled manner using an index (dividing) plate to keep it
> simple. It would also seem reasonable to have different plates available or
> a plate with all the  commonly used factors like 2,3,4,5,6,8,9,10,12.
> Putting fine divisions on approximates checkering and that many sync breaks
> leads to trouble.  Unless mechanically controlled. Using a direct index
> plate eliminates the math and other limitations.
>
> So I'm looking for the simplest, cheapest and most reliable solution.  Me
> thinks such a solution will focus on the connection between the "standard
> index gear" and the drive spur shaft.  Right now the SIG is screwed onto
> the outboard end of the drive spur shaft and locked to it by a square on
> the shaft penetrating the SIG. If the SIG were moved outboard onto a free
> wheeling arrangement essentially extending the shaft a bit, then a flat
> finger placed onto the drive square, and that assembly secured to the
> outboard end, one could break and re-establish the sync at will
> mechanically. The SIG would have moved leftward 1/8" displaced by the 1/8"
> thick finger that is locked onto the drive spur shaft where the gear used
> to be. The SiG would be fitted with a bushing to allow it to freewheel to
> the immediate left of the drive square.  Now the finger is pointed and the
> point bent 90° to engage the holes in the SIG with its 24 holes (until a
> better deal is reached).
>
> So the setup starts out the same, but one notes which hole the finger is
> in.  Make the cut.  Spring the finger out of the hole and rotate the spur
> (and work) to the next index location. The SIG remains stationary while the
> spur shaft turns controlled by the finger moving to the next index, thus
> breaking the sync for a moment and re-establishing sync at the next index.
> Next cut.  Rinse and repeat.
>
> No further changes need be made because there is enough "slop" in the gear
> alignment to allow a 1/8" shift of the SiG without any trouble. This
> totally eliminates any math and allows a predictable number of starts on
> any diameter. One might adjust depth of cut, size of cutter, or make other
> adjustments at will without affecting the basic index positioning. This
> also works for the rotary table. Changing out the SIG to different ratios
> will have to be considered, too. Perhaps instead of a finger, another 24
> hole plate that is small enough to fit within the smallest gear is used.
> Still ...
>
> How simple is that?
>
> DanK
> P.S. YOU BET IMMA DO IT.
> On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 5:03:22 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>
>> On the contrary its very much to look at very nice work Dan cant wait to
>> see the bowl
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
>> *On Behalf Of *Dan Krager
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 26 July 2022 2:49 AM
>> *To:* 

Re: First LOM twist

[Dan Krager]

I got side tracked from spoon bowl cutting (with Austrian spoon knives) by 
going on to do the next twist on a smaller spoon (used up the stick).  I 
guess I didn't get the math right and buggered it up.  It was too small to 
use the regular drives on the spindle, so I used my little square drive 
that threads on.  It came loose on a reverse movement, further buggering up 
the twist.  So I will fix that by milling wrench flats on it so I can 
wrench tighten it.  Now that brings me to a BIG question.

WHY IN BLUE BLAZES DIDN'T THE PHANTOM ENGINEERS USE THE INDEXING FEATURE to 
do twists? Couldn't they figure this out?  Instead, it appears that you 
must go through this Rube Goldberg procedure,  do some math to get the 
right number of starts taking into consideration the size of the cutter and 
the diameter of the work.Then one must break the sync by moving the 
carriage. This risky uncontrolled procedure severely limits the diameters, 
cutters, and patterns in most cases. The only use for the index is to do 
lateral cuts without syncing to the drive spur. The solution appears to be 
so simple that even I will figure it out and do it.  

The basic principle of LOM is that the sync between rotation and lateral 
travel is maintained by the gear train. To move to the next start requires 
breaking that sync somehow.  And I want to move to the next start in a 
mechanically controlled manner using an index (dividing) plate to keep it 
simple. It would also seem reasonable to have different plates available or 
a plate with all the  commonly used factors like 2,3,4,5,6,8,9,10,12. 
Putting fine divisions on approximates checkering and that many sync breaks 
leads to trouble.  Unless mechanically controlled. Using a direct index 
plate eliminates the math and other limitations.  

So I'm looking for the simplest, cheapest and most reliable solution.  Me 
thinks such a solution will focus on the connection between the "standard 
index gear" and the drive spur shaft.  Right now the SIG is screwed onto 
the outboard end of the drive spur shaft and locked to it by a square on 
the shaft penetrating the SIG. If the SIG were moved outboard onto a free 
wheeling arrangement essentially extending the shaft a bit, then a flat 
finger placed onto the drive square, and that assembly secured to the 
outboard end, one could break and re-establish the sync at will 
mechanically. The SIG would have moved leftward 1/8" displaced by the 1/8" 
thick finger that is locked onto the drive spur shaft where the gear used 
to be. The SiG would be fitted with a bushing to allow it to freewheel to 
the immediate left of the drive square.  Now the finger is pointed and the 
point bent 90° to engage the holes in the SIG with its 24 holes (until a 
better deal is reached).  

So the setup starts out the same, but one notes which hole the finger is 
in.  Make the cut.  Spring the finger out of the hole and rotate the spur 
(and work) to the next index location. The SIG remains stationary while the 
spur shaft turns controlled by the finger moving to the next index, thus 
breaking the sync for a moment and re-establishing sync at the next index. 
Next cut.  Rinse and repeat.

No further changes need be made because there is enough "slop" in the gear 
alignment to allow a 1/8" shift of the SiG without any trouble. This 
totally eliminates any math and allows a predictable number of starts on 
any diameter. One might adjust depth of cut, size of cutter, or make other 
adjustments at will without affecting the basic index positioning. This 
also works for the rotary table. Changing out the SIG to different ratios 
will have to be considered, too. Perhaps instead of a finger, another 24 
hole plate that is small enough to fit within the smallest gear is used. 
Still ...

How simple is that?

DanK 
P.S. YOU BET IMMA DO IT.
On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 5:03:22 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> On the contrary its very much to look at very nice work Dan cant wait to 
> see the bowl
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Dan Krager
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 26 July 2022 2:49 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* First LOM twist
>
>  
>
> Hi guys.  I'm still riding a high of successfully cutting my first 
> involute spur gear for one of my machines.  
>
>  
>
> So, riding that high, I decided to do some wood turnng. Utensils came to 
> mind, so very soon a couple of spoon blanks were on the LOM for another 
> first...the first twists cut on the REVO.  Used a straight 1/2" up cut 
> spiral bit against the side. Six starts.  Not much to look at for design 
> and the handle is much to large, but the pear wood cuts beautifully.  
> Another smaller spoon is on its way.  
>
>  
>
> Now to carve the bowl.  This stuff is HARD.  
>
> DanK
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RE: First LOM twist

[bulkeley]

On the contrary its very much to look at very nice work Dan cant wait to see 
the bowl

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Dan Krager
Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2022 2:49 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: First LOM twist

 

Hi guys.  I'm still riding a high of successfully cutting my first involute 
spur gear for one of my machines.  

 

So, riding that high, I decided to do some wood turnng. Utensils came to mind, 
so very soon a couple of spoon blanks were on the LOM for another first...the 
first twists cut on the REVO.  Used a straight 1/2" up cut spiral bit against 
the side. Six starts.  Not much to look at for design and the handle is much to 
large, but the pear wood cuts beautifully.  Another smaller spoon is on its 
way.  

 

Now to carve the bowl.  This stuff is HARD.  



DanK

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Re: First LOM twist

[Tim Ziegler]

Hey Dan,

Very impressed for sure. hats off to you getting an actual project done. I
do a lot of tinkering and changing things and testing,
but need to make more finished projects too.
What are you using for scooping out the spoon?
I'm assuming your putting on some sort of finish???
Thanks for sharing and can't wait to see the outcome.
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 11:48 AM Dan Krager  wrote:

> Hi guys.  I'm still riding a high of successfully cutting my first
> involute spur gear for one of my machines.
>
> So, riding that high, I decided to do some wood turnng. Utensils came to
> mind, so very soon a couple of spoon blanks were on the LOM for another
> first...the first twists cut on the REVO.  Used a straight 1/2" up cut
> spiral bit against the side. Six starts.  Not much to look at for design
> and the handle is much to large, but the pear wood cuts beautifully.
> Another smaller spoon is on its way.
>
> Now to carve the bowl.  This stuff is HARD.
> [image: SpoonTwist.JPG]
> DanK
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