Re: [LegacyUG] Siteing sources for Griffiths Valuation ?

2007-08-20 Thread Dermot McGlone
Slightly OT, but just to add a little more to this, for those of you
not familiar with Griffith's Valuation, the following is copied from
http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php:

 Irelands Valuation office conducted it's first survey of property
ownership in Ireland from 1848  to 1864. This survey became known as
Griffiths Valuation after Richard Griffith who was the director of
the office at that time. The survey was used to determine the amount
of tax each person should pay towards the support of the poor within
their poor law union. This involved determining the value of  all
privately held lands and buildings in rural as well as urban areas to
figure the rate at which each unit of property could be rented year
after year. The resulting survey was arranged by barony and civil
parish with an index to the townlands appearing in each volume.
Griffith's Valuation can be used as an excellent census substitute for
the years after the Great Famine as censuses prior to 1901 were
destroyed.

Hope this helps,

Dermot.

On 19/08/07, Alice Hawrilenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip  For those not familiar eith
 it,  Griffith's Valuation can be used as an excellent census substitute for
 the years after the Great Famine as censuses prior to 1901 were destroyed.
/snip


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Re: [LegacyUG] sourcing SSDI (was lumper or splitter)

2007-08-20 Thread Dermot McGlone
Jim,

No firm date has been mentioned yet, although I seem to remember
Sherry saying it would be after the Legacy Cruise this year, which I
believe takes place 19 Sep to 01 Oct (I can be corrected on those
dates).

Hope that helps,

Dermot.

On 19/08/07, Jim Keener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip Has anyone been able to pin down an approximate date when version 7
 willbe released?


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Re: [LegacyUG] Favorite Legacy Tip

2007-08-20 Thread Dermot McGlone
Dave,

You the man!!  I knew Renee's tip, but not the distinction between
left- and right-click.  Looks like you even surprised Geoff too, which
is extra kudos to you ;)

Dermot.

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 You didn't mention that if it's a Left-Click it goes forward, whereas
 if it's a Right-Click it goes backward to the next individual.   :-)



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[LegacyUG] Vacation

2007-08-20 Thread myrna20
Hello Listers,

I have really enjoyed reading all the 'favorite Legacy tips.' 
Some I know and some I didn't - see, an older person can still 
learn new tricks.

I am trying to beat the hurricane out of Mexico (I am down south 
of Guadalajara).I am headed for Texas Wednesday morning. I will 
cancel my message board until I return since access to a computer 
will be iffy at best.

Please remember to change your subject line so when I do return I 
can quickly go through the archives.

Thanks all,
Myrna



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Re: [LegacyUG] Favorite Legacy Tip

2007-08-20 Thread myrna20
If there are no birth or death dates available for someone I 
ALWAYS add Est to my birth date. All other dates are as I 
receive them, i.e, about, cir, etc. This way I know it is plus or 
minus about 20 years and gives me something to look for. I know 
that anything with the Est is MY''' estimate and not someone 
else's.

My default is also set to Living = NO.

Myrna 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Name History

2007-08-20 Thread Jenny M Benson

Mike Fry wrote
Or, if they want a really good argument, try broaching the subject on 
soc.genealogy.britain :-)


Do you really want to unleash DM on the nice folks of LUG?!
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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7

2007-08-20 Thread Renee Zamora
I have no idea - it's not something that was discussed at the sneak peek of 
Legacy 7.Renee Zamorawww.harrisena.com

 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 05:16:10 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 
 LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7  
 Quoting Renee Zamora [EMAIL PROTECTED]:  Does anyone know if exporting 
 map coordinates into the gedcom file is covered  in the new Legacy 7?  I 
 saw here at some point a question about it and the response was that this is 
  not a standard gedcom feature. Things have progressed however since gedcom 
 came  along and what is the purpose of having a geodatabase with lat/long if 
 you are  not able to use them on your website?  Best regards, Johan 
 Lauwens www.family-maw.co.uk 


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[LegacyUG] county as a person

2007-08-20 Thread Janis Gilmore
In the same vein as a Surname persona, which collects surname-pertinent
data, I have a persona for each of the four counties in which I do the most
research. I enter events such as courthouse burnings, iconic moments in
history (the night the dance hall blew up, the Jesse James bank robbery,
etc) It makes a nice little county history, which comes in handy for
creating interesting family narratives.

 

I used to use TMG (The Master Genealogist), and someone on that list had
created a really inventive way of recording census, which involved creating
a person with the state surname, and county given name, etc.

 

I would be interested to know if others in Legacy are creating other kinds
of research individuals.

 

Janis




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Re: [LegacyUG] Error 76

2007-08-20 Thread Susan Daily
Bill,
It works fine for me, following your steps, in XP. Perhaps someone
with Vista can verify.

Susan
(Sorry about your Vista problems.)

On 8/20/07, William Haines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 When I go to Reports and then Publishing center and
 add a Descendant Narrative book to the Chapter and
 then to preview, everything seems fine. If I click on
 edit settings for current chapter, another window
 appears and the the preview, print and printer setup
 are greyed out. I select my options and close the
 window and this error report appears;

 Error opening Report user file
 C:\LegacyV6\Books\CurrentBook.000.
 Error 76: Path not found
 Would you like to TRY IT AGAIN?

 If I click on no I can procede, but none of the
 selected option takes hold. If I click on quit,
 Legacy closes. If I click on yes the error just
 keeps popping up.

 I have the latest build and using Vista. I checked the
 archives and error 76 and found no solution to the
 problem. I also have administration rights on this
 computer.

 What am I or Vista, or the program doing wrong?

 By the way, if I could get Windows XP back I would be
 a most happy camper.

 Bill


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Re: [LegacyUG] Error 76

2007-08-20 Thread Anne Picketts
Bill - I have just generated exactly what you did.  If you choose which ever 
way 
you want your file - I chose *.pdf, and then click save, it all comes back to 
'normal' and those preview and print areas are not greyed out.

Vista is fine - we just have to except that it behaves differently and find a 
way 
around those behavourial problems.

Regards

Anne


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Researching:  LEADBEATER, SMITH, WASHINGTON, BARKER, SHEPHERD, 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Please truncate your mail

2007-08-20 Thread Kirstin Martinez
I use Thunderbird. Is there a way to automatically add the hyphen hyphen 
space in thunderbird?


--
Kirstin

Mike Fry wrote:

Mike Fry wrote:

Wayne Martell wrote:
Millenia could do its part by minimizing the amount they tack on at 
the end of each message. I see no reason why it has to be more than 
1 line, 2 at the most.


If it was formatted to proper signature standards, most 'real' email 
readers would automatically truncate the Millennia 'signature'. I 
still don't see why the Millennia-added lines can't be preceded by 
the standard 'hyphen hyphen space' line.




Then again... if all users had a 'standard' signature beginning with 
the 'hyphen hyphen space' line, then things would solve themselves. 
Probably too much to hope for :-)






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Re: [LegacyUG] Please truncate your mail

2007-08-20 Thread Gene Young

Kirstin Martinez wrote:
I use Thunderbird. Is there a way to automatically add the hyphen hyphen 
space in thunderbird?


There is an add on for Thunderbird called Signature which can be installed from 
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/578.


Just create a custom signature with the hyphens inserted as the first line.


--
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Researching Young, Zies, Harer  Cox.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Please truncate your mail

2007-08-20 Thread Wendy Howard
I use Thunderbird. Is there a way to automatically add the hyphen 
hyphen space in thunderbird?


I don't know about automatically, but what I do is keep a draft email 
(subject: signatures) in the Templates folder with the various 
signatures I use at times, along with some URLs that I use almost every 
day.  In it, I include the hyphen hyphen space line in the signatures 
where I want it to appear.  When I need that signature or URL, I go to 
that template email (which is open already 'cos I use it so much) and 
copy  paste the required lines.


I keep the draft email in the Templates folder rather than the Drafts 
folder 'cos it's harder to accidentally delete it there (especially with 
the changes that came with the new update recently).


Thunderbird has excellent support, so if you want to pursue this 
further, I suggest going to their forums and asking about it there.  
I've always gotten good help there when I've asked for assistance.  :-)


Kind Regards,
Wendy Howard
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Re: [LegacyUG] Please truncate your mail

2007-08-20 Thread Ed Lawler

Kirsten,

You can add a signature without using an extension. Use the following steps:

1. Create a text file to contain your signature in an appropriate place 
(My Documents, etc.).


2. In the signature file, add --  on a line by itself as the *first* 
line. Add any other lines that you want to appear in the signature. 
There used to be an informal convention that sigs be no more than four 
lines (but that was in the times of the 300 baud teletype 
printer/terminals). I don't think anyone would complain if it were 
longer than four lines now, but, people being people, you never can 
tell. From my own personal opinion, though, please refrain from 
including political or religious proclamations.


3. In Thunderbird:
   Select Tools - Account Settings
   Select the appropriate mail account. This is the title line for the 
account, the one that contains the account name, usually just above the 
line that says Server Settings. (If you have more than one mail 
account, you can have different signatures for each).

   Check the Add this signature box and select Choose.
   Navigate to the appropriate signature file.
   Select the file and then Open.
   Select OK.

That's it. Thunderbird will now use that signature for all outgoing 
email for that particular account. As long as you don't change the name 
of the sig file, you won't have to touch Thunderbird again. If you ever 
want to change the signature, you only have to change the contents of 
the signature file.


Ed Lawler


Gene Young  spoke thusly:

Kirstin Martinez wrote:
I use Thunderbird. Is there a way to automatically add the hyphen hyphen 
space in thunderbird?


There is an add on for Thunderbird called Signature which can be installed from 
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/578.


Just create a custom signature with the hyphens inserted as the first line.





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RE: [LegacyUG] More Lumping and Splitting

2007-08-20 Thread Kirsten Bowman
Ron:

Actually I wouldn't consider your BMD example lumping at all, but simply
efficient use of the Master Source feature, since probably several GRO
details remain consistent from one record to the next.  In the US, however,
maintaining these records is a state or county function.  Lumping these
together under something like Vitals would lose details at the Master
Source level.  Those details would still be included in source citations
when producing most reports, of course, but it seems a Master Source
report/list would have little usefulness.

I'm not lobbying for either the lumping or splitting approach, but looking
for a middle ground that would produce a sort of bibliography from the
master source list without making the list unwieldy.

As a Lumper, how do you handle published books or census records?  Do you
group all books together under a single master source or list them
individually?  At what level do you split census citations?  (This is key
since they could feasibly all be lumped under Census, or they could be
divided at any one of many different levels.)

Kirsten


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Kirsten,

I do not really use the Sources for the purposes which you indicate but as a
lumper I would say that your supposition is not really accurate. For example
all BMD certificates in the UK are issued by the GRO (Government Record
Office) and I lump all these together under Certificates published by the
GRO. However, in the Details I specify the type of certificate and where
appropriate the date (although usually the latter would be in the event).

Similarly for newspapers the name of the newspaper and date, page etc would
go in the Detail.

Ron Ferguson







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[LegacyUG] Adding pictures problem

2007-08-20 Thread Jeff Golden
Can someone please tell me what causes the Load Picture window not to 
recognize certain photos in standard formats?  I use 4.0 Deluxe.  When I 
navigate to these photos in the Load Picture window, the preview box stays 
empty.  If I click OK anyway, the Display Picture window is empty, too, 
and the Picture Gallery adds a blank photo.  Slow loading is not the 
problem; they are not loading at all.

A specific example.  I have a folder of land deed scans on my hard 
drive.  My non-Legacy image viewers can display every scan just fine.  But 
the Load Picture window only recognizes about half of them, even after I 
copy them into my Legacy Pictures folder.  All of these scans are the same 
format (tif), and all were originally copied from microfilm with the same 
machine at the same time.  All are under 1 MB in size, and file size is not 
the determining factor between what Legacy loads and what it doesn't.

I've successfully added many, many pictures, but what am I missing here? 
Thank you.

Jeff 




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RE: [LegacyUG] Adding pictures problem

2007-08-20 Thread Sherry/Support
Jeff,

It sounds like you have TIF files with LZW compression. Legacy v4 won't
recognize those (patent issues) but v6 will.

Thanks for using Legacy.

Sherry
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Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 2:56 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Adding pictures problem

Can someone please tell me what causes the Load Picture window not to 
recognize certain photos in standard formats?  I use 4.0 Deluxe.  When I 
navigate to these photos in the Load Picture window, the preview box stays 
empty.  If I click OK anyway, the Display Picture window is empty, too, 
and the Picture Gallery adds a blank photo.  Slow loading is not the 
problem; they are not loading at all.

A specific example.  I have a folder of land deed scans on my hard 
drive.  My non-Legacy image viewers can display every scan just fine.  But 
the Load Picture window only recognizes about half of them, even after I 
copy them into my Legacy Pictures folder.  All of these scans are the same 
format (tif), and all were originally copied from microfilm with the same 
machine at the same time.  All are under 1 MB in size, and file size is not 
the determining factor between what Legacy loads and what it doesn't.

I've successfully added many, many pictures, but what am I missing here?

Thank you.

Jeff 




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Re: [LegacyUG] Adding pictures problem

2007-08-20 Thread Susan Daily
Jeff,
I did a search in Help for TIF and came up with this possibility:
Legacy recognizes all TIFFs, except those employing LZW compression,
which should be avoided.

Not sure how you can tell which is which. Hope this helps. (There are
more TIF items in Help which I did not read.)
Susan

On 8/20/07, Jeff Golden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can someone please tell me what causes the Load Picture window not to
 recognize certain photos in standard formats?  I use 4.0 Deluxe.  When I
 navigate to these photos in the Load Picture window, the preview box stays
 empty.  If I click OK anyway, the Display Picture window is empty, too,
 and the Picture Gallery adds a blank photo.  Slow loading is not the
 problem; they are not loading at all.

A specific example.  I have a folder of land deed scans on my hard
 drive.  My non-Legacy image viewers can display every scan just fine.  But
 the Load Picture window only recognizes about half of them, even after I
 copy them into my Legacy Pictures folder.  All of these scans are the same
 format (tif), and all were originally copied from microfilm with the same
 machine at the same time.  All are under 1 MB in size, and file size is not
 the determining factor between what Legacy loads and what it doesn't.


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Re: [LegacyUG] how to set living indicator default to NO

2007-08-20 Thread marilyn cebrowski


How do i set the indicator to NO as you mentioned.  I also have a lot of 
people in my file without dates.  I tryed to do it using tools but it 
would not let me do it when there are no dates in the birth or death fields.



from marilyn






From: Renee Zamora [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Favorite Legacy Tip
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:51:37 -0600

I also like to set the Living Indicator default to NO. This will set 
everyone I enter in my database as deceased automatically.  Since I deal 
with more dead people than alive it is easier for me to remember to change 
the living status to Living than to remember to change it to deceased. I 
just hate it when you have someone living in the 1500s without dates and 
they show up as living when you upload them to Rootsweb. Changing this 
option has been a life saver for me.


It's on the Options  Customise - Data Defaults

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Re: [LegacyUG] Favorite Legacy Tip

2007-08-20 Thread marilyn cebrowski

OOPs,  I found it, needed to re-read the email, DUH !! sorry



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I also like to set the Living Indicator default to NO. This will set 
everyone I enter in my database as deceased automatically.  Since I deal 
with more dead people than alive it is easier for me to remember to change 
the living status to Living than to remember to change it to deceased. I 
just hate it when you have someone living in the 1500s without dates and 
they show up as living when you upload them to Rootsweb. Changing this 
option has been a life saver for me.


It's on the Options  Customise - Data Defaults

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[LegacyUG] New Bundle Pricing - Legacy 6.0 Deluxe AND the PDF manual

2007-08-20 Thread Geoff Rasmussen
Starting today, you can now download Legacy 6.0 Deluxe AND the manual for
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[LegacyUG] Chronology Report issues

2007-08-20 Thread Leon Chapman
Hi folks!

I am having problems with Chronology report with date errors.

I am using Legacy 6.0.0.155, the latest version and have Windows XP, SP2.

When I select the Chronology tab for a given person, it works fine.
When I then select Report, I get a date error window message that says:

=
Unrecognized Date
   -99-99
Accept  continue
Accept or turn off Date Validation
==

Can anyone repeat this??
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[LegacyUG] Re: Chronology Report issues

2007-08-20 Thread Leon Chapman
Ok, I fixed it.
I delete the file:   Chron.usr

Thanks.

On 8/20/07, Leon Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi folks!

 I am having problems with Chronology report with date errors.

 I am using Legacy 6.0.0.155, the latest version and have Windows XP, SP2.

 When I select the Chronology tab for a given person, it works fine.
 When I then select Report, I get a date error window message that says:

 =
 Unrecognized Date
   -99-99
 Accept  continue
 Accept or turn off Date Validation
 ==

 Can anyone repeat this??
 --
 Leon Chapman
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RE: [LegacyUG] More Lumping and Splitting

2007-08-20 Thread ronald ferguson


Jack,

Thank you. You are, of course, correct and it was a sloppy example to give. 
I obtain my certificates from the GRO hence that is generally the repository 
which I use rather than the local office at which the event was first 
registered.


The point I was making still remains valid, that is, even when lumping the 
Detail section of the Source can be used to contain the individual 
information relating to a specific event.


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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:17:43 +0100

Ron

I normally agree 100% with your comments and assistance, but in this case
you are slightly incorrect.

ALL certificates are NOT issued by the GRO. Pre 1983 this is how it was -
not totally sure how the post 1984 computerised system operates. When a
birth or death event occurred the informant registered that with a local
registrar. At the end of each quarter the registrar sent a copy to the GRO.
It was therefore possible for an error to be made in the transcription that
went to the GRO. Register office marriages were dealt with similarly -
except that the informant was the registrar who performed the marriage. 
In

C of E marriages there were three different certificates - the one held by
the church, the one sent to the registrar and the one that eventually found
its way to the GRO.

It is important to recognise that these were different documents - that
should be the same, but sometimes differed.

If you get a certificate from the GRO it will normally be a photocopy of
entry they have onto a modern blank certificate. If that isn't clear enough
to copy they send you a newly written certificate - fraught with problems 
as

it may introduce new errors into what was already a transcription.

You may also buy a certificate from the local registrar. In most cases this
is also a modern transcription of the original entry, but a few register
offices are now using the same photocopying technique as the GRO.

Lastly, for marriages, you can also obtain a copy of the church register - 
a

lot cheaper of course as it need only cost the price of a photocopy.

But the main point I am making is that there are up to 3 different sources
for a single certificate - GRO, Local registrar, church (marriages only).
And, most importantly, the three can have different information on them. 
The
number of sources in some ways can be 5 - transcript of GRO entry, 
photocopy

of GRO entry, transcript of local entry, photocopy of local entry, copy of
church marriage entry.

I have two specific examples
- GRO sent me a death certificate that was newly written. The informant was
Mary REW. It was over 12 months later that I discovered that this had been
rewritten wrongly and that her name was ROW.

- my gt grandfather (Joseph Henry THORNE) married twice. I obtained a copy
of the GRO certificate for his 2nd marriage and found that he was also one
of the witnesses! When I looked at the parish church copy it had a 
different

name for the witness (his son William Henry THORNE).

I happen to use the lumper method, but would differentiate between these 
3

distinct sources of the information. I believe that, strictly, the local
registrar's information is the true master and that the GRO is a secondary
source.

Jack





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Kirsten,

I do not really use the Sources for the purposes which you indicate but as 
a


lumper I would say that your supposition is not really accurate. For 
example


all BMD certificates in the UK are issued by the GRO (Government Record
Office) and I lump all these together under Certificates published by the
GRO. However, in the Details I specify the type of certificate and where
appropriate the date (although usually the latter would be in the event).

Similarly for newspapers the name of the newspaper and date, page etc would
go in the Detail.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Error 76

2007-08-20 Thread William Haines



 Bill - I have just generated exactly what you did. 
 If you choose which ever way 
 you want your file - I chose *.pdf, and then click
 save, it all comes back to 
 'normal' and those preview and print areas are not
 greyed out.

1 Every chapter I try, to add in the publishing
center, does the same thing, errot 76
2  The only setting that will work is screen/printer.
The rest have the preview greyed out, also the printer
showing the pages being formed does not show either.
3 If I go to reports and click on Descendant narrative
everything works as it should. It's just the
publishing center that gives me trouble.
4 Anne if you can duplicate this, then there must be a
conflict with Legacy and Vista. I never had this
problem with XP.

 Vista is fine - we just have to except that it
 behaves differently and find a way 
 around those behavourial problems.

Anne, I have found that Vista requires a lot more
finger strokes to get the same thing done then in XP.
If I thought I could install XP on this machine and
have it work as good as my other machine, I would do
it in a heart beat. I still have the XP installation
disks from my Gateway but I don't think it would work
unless I could leave Vista on the disk.

Thanks for the reply, I really appreciate it.

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[LegacyUG] Tag Living

2007-08-20 Thread aseddon.com
Is there a way to tag all living individuals?

Art Seddon
Everrett. WA



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Re: [LegacyUG] Please truncate your mail

2007-08-20 Thread Phil Hawkins

Ed Lawler wrote:

Thanks Ed for putting me straight
I had looked for that information a coouple of days ago and read the 
website wrong - obviously!

(Now let's see if it works grin


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RE: [LegacyUG] Tag Living

2007-08-20 Thread C.G. Ouimet
How about ...
 
Search - Find
 
Individual - Living - Equal To - Yes
 
Create List
 
When the List comes up ... 
 
Options - Advanced Tagging - Everyone in Search List (with your tag number)
 
...


C.G. Ouimet 
Kingston, ON 

 

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Is there a way to tag all living individuals?
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Favorite Legacy Tip

2007-08-20 Thread TaylorResearch4u
Myrna...
But... isn't est. the same as writing abt./about, ca./circa??? My  
preference is abt.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Favorite Legacy Tip

2007-08-20 Thread Sara Binkley Tarpley
I'm not Myrna, and I don't use estimated dates; but I see them as
different from about or circa.  For example, I use about when I
read in the 1850 census that John Jones was 25.  I enter his birth
date as about 1825, knowing full well that in ten years he may
report his age as 33  and that his tombstone may show his birth year
as 1828.  [I enter the various other dates as Alt. Birth.]  If I were
to use an estimated date of birth, it might be in a case where I have
only a marriage date of 1840 and no other records.  If I used
estimates, I might estimate his date of birth as  est. 1819-1824.
[I am sure many of you are better at making estimates than I am.]

I also use about when a couple reports in the later censuses how
many years they have been married.  I know that if I eventually find a
marriage record, it may vary from what they reported.  I also know
that in another census they might show a different length of marriage.

Sara Binkley Tarpley

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 Myrna...
 But... isn't est. the same as writing abt./about, ca./circa??? My
 preference is abt.
 Happy hunting...
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Re: [LegacyUG] Favorite Legacy Tip

2007-08-20 Thread Heather Stovold
no, to me they are all different.

cal - means I was given an age and a time  so he was 34 in 1834, so his
birth is: cal 1800

abt - means that someone gave me an about time, like in an interview so
I ask someone when their parent was born and they say oh, it was about 1910,
then I put abt 1910.   I also use abt when I'm given a database with abt
used in it.(ok, I don't differentiate between ca and abt)

est - means that I guessed the date based on the dates of other events, or
dates of the events of relatives.  (The whole, children are born about 2
years apart, women are about 21 when they marry, men are about 25.)  So
basically, I don't have any basis for the date except my guess based on the
norms of society (which vary...)

each of these are entirely different to me.   I admit that many people
wouldn't understand the nuances, but to me, they are huge.


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  Myrna...
 But... isn't est. the same as writing abt./about, ca./circa??? My
 preference is abt.
 Happy hunting...
 Pami




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Re: [LegacyUG] abt / c / est - was: Favorite Legacy Tip

2007-08-20 Thread Susie Zada
Hi Pami,

I use abt (about) and est (estimated) quite different and I believe they mean 
very different things.

If I know that someone was x years old when they married and I have the year of 
marriage, then their year of birth is abt  because they may have been 
born early in the year, late in the year etc. etc.  Similarly if I have 
immigration or census details, I am reasonably confident of being close to the 
year of birth +/- a year or two - hence abt.

For people that I don't have a specific year and age to calculate the abt 
date of birth, I'll use the c.25 years generation estimate and hence use est 
.  For example if my gg-grandmother was born abt 1820 and I have her 
parents names then their dates of birth with be est 1795 until such time as I 
find something that narrows it down more specifically.  If my gg-grandmother is 
the 5th or 10th child then her parents dates of birth might be est 1790 or 
est 1785.

To me, abt means I have some sort of reference year / age for the calculation,
est means I've done a generational estimate.

Hope that makes sense - this process works great for me as can at least see 
what generation ancestors might belong to - particularly those with identical 
names.

Oh - c (circa) would equate to abt in my approach but from memory that 
wasn't a valid date prefix in Legacy (and some other genie programs) - I could 
be wrong on that or it may have changed, but I've stuck to abt for those type 
of dates.

Regards ... Susie Z


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Myrna...
But... isn't est. the same as writing abt./about, ca./circa??? My 
preference is abt.
Happy hunting...
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RE: [LegacyUG] Favorite Legacy Tip

2007-08-20 Thread Paul A.
Heather,

 

I am interested where you get the years that women marry at about 21 and men
at about 25.  Are you basing the past on today's estimates?  Men and women
used to get married at much earlier ages than they do now. It was nothing
for men and women to marry at 14 and 16.  It was probably more common than
not.  

 

If you look into many lines of nobility, men were many times married as
early or earlier than commoners.  At a time when over 50% of the population
of the United States lived on farms, a woman was an old maid by the time she
was 21 and if she wasn't married by then, she was less likely to be able to
marry.   

 

So, I don't use those ages in estimating dates, because they would be
absolutely unrealistic in most of my data file.  

I'm not bashing by any means.  I was just curious how you arrived at those
ages of 21 and 25.  I am curious.

 

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no, to me they are all different.  

 

cal - means I was given an age and a time  so he was 34 in 1834, so his
birth is: cal 1800

 

abt - means that someone gave me an about time, like in an interview so
I ask someone when their parent was born and they say oh, it was about 1910,
then I put abt 1910.   I also use abt when I'm given a database with abt
used in it.(ok, I don't differentiate between ca and abt)  

 

est - means that I guessed the date based on the dates of other events, or
dates of the events of relatives.  (The whole, children are born about 2
years apart, women are about 21 when they marry, men are about 25.)  So
basically, I don't have any basis for the date except my guess based on the
norms of society (which vary...) 

 

each of these are entirely different to me.   I admit that many people
wouldn't understand the nuances, but to me, they are huge.

 

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Myrna...

But... isn't est. the same as writing abt./about, ca./circa??? My
preference is abt.

Happy hunting...

Pami 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Favorite Legacy Tip

2007-08-20 Thread Cathy

Hi Heather,

That's precisely how I use them as well - though I rarely actually 
enter the Est dates but do it when I'm researching that person and if 
I make a To Do to find that birth or marriage I put the Estimated 
dates in the To do.


Cathy

At 09:04 AM 21/08/2007, you wrote:


no, to me they are all different.

cal - means I was given an age and a time  so he was 34 in 1834, 
so his birth is: cal 1800


abt - means that someone gave me an about time, like in an 
interview so I ask someone when their parent was born and they 
say oh, it was about 1910, then I put abt 1910.   I also use abt 
when I'm given a database with abt used in it.(ok, I don't 
differentiate between ca and abt)


est - means that I guessed the date based on the dates of other 
events, or dates of the events of relatives.  (The whole, children 
are born about 2 years apart, women are about 21 when they marry, 
men are about 25.)  So basically, I don't have any basis for the 
date except my guess based on the norms of society (which vary...)


each of these are entirely different to me.   I admit that many 
people wouldn't understand the nuances, but to me, they are huge.




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RE: [LegacyUG] Favorite Legacy Tip

2007-08-20 Thread Cathy

Hi Paul,

I'm not Heather but you are right that different countries, different 
times and different families have different norms for marriage age 
(can I get another different in there? ;-))  You need to get a feel 
from your research.


In my family very few people marry in the 18th and 19th century 
before they are at least 18 and most over 21, many, including the 
women, well over. I was surprised by this. Perhaps it was economics 
that kept them single. This is in England and Australia.

21 and 25 as estimates work for me in this time period.

Cathy

At 09:52 AM 21/08/2007, you wrote:


Heather,

I am interested where you get the years that women marry at about 21 
and men at about 25.  Are you basing the past on today's 
estimates?  Men and women used to get married at much earlier ages 
than they do now. It was nothing for men and women to marry at 14 
and 16.  It was probably more common than not.


If you look into many lines of nobility, men were many times married 
as early or earlier than commoners.  At a time when over 50% of the 
population of the United States lived on farms, a woman was an old 
maid by the time she was 21 and if she wasn't married by then, she 
was less likely to be able to marry.


So, I don't use those ages in estimating dates, because they would 
be absolutely unrealistic in most of my data file.
I'm not bashing by any means.  I was just curious how you arrived at 
those ages of 21 and 25.  I am curious.


--
Paul




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Re: [LegacyUG] Favorite Legacy Tip

2007-08-20 Thread Sara Binkley Tarpley
Heather,

I certainly understand the nuances, but I have to admit that in eleven
years of genealogical research, I have never seen anyone use cal.
Good idea though.  Am I just exchanging data with the wrong people?

Sara



On 8/20/07, Heather Stovold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 no, to me they are all different.

 cal - means I was given an age and a time  so he was 34 in 1834, so his
 birth is: cal 1800

 abt - means that someone gave me an about time, like in an interview so
 I ask someone when their parent was born and they say oh, it was about 1910,
 then I put abt 1910.   I also use abt when I'm given a database with abt
 used in it.(ok, I don't differentiate between ca and abt)

 est - means that I guessed the date based on the dates of other events, or
 dates of the events of relatives.  (The whole, children are born about 2
 years apart, women are about 21 when they marry, men are about 25.)  So
 basically, I don't have any basis for the date except my guess based on the
 norms of society (which vary...)

 each of these are entirely different to me.   I admit that many people
 wouldn't understand the nuances, but to me, they are huge.


 On 8/20/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
 
 
  Myrna...
  But... isn't est. the same as writing abt./about, ca./circa??? My
 preference is abt.
  Happy hunting...
  Pami


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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7

2007-08-20 Thread RICHARD SCHULTHIES
IMHO, I do think that the current Gedcom program, has
not been changed, and probably won't, so Legacy 7 has
no control over it. When the committee that monitors
and edits/upgrades Gedcom does this, it will be
mentioned. L7 may create a tool to send data into an
'Event' type field, but Gedcom won't recognize what it
is. Years ago, I had info on that group (committee)
but I lost it. Wish I could be more positive. I
welcome comments from those who kow more of this.
Rich in LA CA
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Quoting Renee Zamora [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
 Does anyone know if exporting map coordinates into
 the gedcom file is covered 
 in the new Legacy 7?


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Re: [LegacyUG] county as a person

2007-08-20 Thread RICHARD SCHULTHIES
I have added those types of things into my Chronology
lists. It is much easier to check/uncheck the many
lines, than to retype them again.
Rich in LA CA
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Re: [LegacyUG] Adding pictures problem

2007-08-20 Thread RICHARD SCHULTHIES
IMHO, some of the current types of photos, (jpg, bmp,
etc.) may not be recognized by the program L4 which
came out a few years ago. (date unknown).  I know that
in the past I had problems with new photos and old
programs. You should go to the L4 book for a 'list' of
what existed then, and the year.
Rich in LA CA
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 Can someone please tell me what causes the Load
 Picture window not to 
 recognize certain photos in standard formats?  I use
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 navigate to these photos in the Load Picture window,
 the preview box stays 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Adding pictures problem

2007-08-20 Thread Brian/Support

Rich,

Legacy 4 was the current version from 6 mar 2002 to Nov 2003 when the 
last update for 4.0 was issued. These dates were taken from the revision 
history for Legacy 4.0 here: 
http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/RevisionHistory4.asp


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RICHARD SCHULTHIES wrote:

IMHO, some of the current types of photos, (jpg, bmp,
etc.) may not be recognized by the program L4 which
came out a few years ago. (date unknown).  I know that
in the past I had problems with new photos and old
programs. You should go to the L4 book for a 'list' of
what existed then, and the year.
Rich in LA CA
--- Jeff Golden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Can someone please tell me what causes the Load
Picture window not to 
recognize certain photos in standard formats?  I use
4.0 Deluxe.  When I 
navigate to these photos in the Load Picture window,
the preview box stays 
empty.  



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RE: [LegacyUG] More Lumping and Splitting

2007-08-20 Thread Kirsten Bowman
Ron:

Then I would classify you as a True Blue Lumper.  Thanks for the explanation
of your system; it does help to have these specifics to define general
terms.

Kirsten

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Kirsten,

Again, we are different to the USA in that we have censuses for England and
Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. I just have one Master Source called
Census and in the Details I have Country and year. Where I have Census
information from other countries I have a Master Source for that Country and
all the other information goes into the detail.

Ron Ferguson






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Re: [LegacyUG] Favorite Legacy Tip

2007-08-20 Thread Mitch Mackrory
I use the same three terms as Heather for the same reasons.

I also use the exact same calculations and have done since the mid
1980s.  I was given them by a friend in the LDS church (I am LDS) and
I understood them to be the recommended method within the church.
They have always worked reasonably well for me although I have some
significant exceptions (see below).

Here is an excellent example (and some humor/humour) ...My great
grandfather married three times (and he wasn't LDS; he had them one at
a time :) ).  The last marriage was when he was 72 and his new wife
was only 21.  They subsequently produced my Half Granduncle (the same
generation as my grandfather and he is only 10 years older than me.
Nobody's system could have predicted that marriage or child's birth!

The moral of this story - don't get too hung up on estimates but they
can be useful if you have nothing better.

Cheers, Mitch

On 8/20/07, Sara Binkley Tarpley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Heather,

 I certainly understand the nuances, but I have to admit that in eleven
 years of genealogical research, I have never seen anyone use cal.
 Good idea though.  Am I just exchanging data with the wrong people?

 Sara



 On 8/20/07, Heather Stovold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  no, to me they are all different.
 
  cal - means I was given an age and a time  so he was 34 in 1834, so his
  birth is: cal 1800
 
  abt - means that someone gave me an about time, like in an interview so
  I ask someone when their parent was born and they say oh, it was about 1910,
  then I put abt 1910.   I also use abt when I'm given a database with abt
  used in it.(ok, I don't differentiate between ca and abt)
 
  est - means that I guessed the date based on the dates of other events, or
  dates of the events of relatives.  (The whole, children are born about 2
  years apart, women are about 21 when they marry, men are about 25.)  So
  basically, I don't have any basis for the date except my guess based on the
  norms of society (which vary...)
 
  each of these are entirely different to me.   I admit that many people
  wouldn't understand the nuances, but to me, they are huge.
 
 
  On 8/20/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
  
  
   Myrna...
   But... isn't est. the same as writing abt./about, ca./circa??? My
  preference is abt.
   Happy hunting...
   Pami
 
 
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RE: [LegacyUG] More Lumping and Splitting (for Gail)

2007-08-20 Thread Kirsten Bowman
Hello Gail:

Your list was extremely informative.  Thanks for doing that tabulation.
Your breakdown appears to pretty closely follow Elizabeth Shown Mills'
recommendations.  Now, of course, it generates a few additional questions:

1)  Does a list of 800+ Master Sources become cumbersome to manage?  (Is it
difficult to find things?)
2)  Do you use Legacy's Source List Name field (short name) to cause like
items such as books, church or cemetery records to sort together on the
Master Source List or does that happen automatically because of the title of
the citation?  (I can see that census listings would sort together, but
church records and some of the others probably would not.)
3)  If you do use a short name, how do you keep track of what you called
things?

Thanks again for your response; it's been very helpful.

Kirsten

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Nestor
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Hi Kirsten, yours is another good and thought-provoking question.  I
decided to do a little survey of my sources.  In my database of almost
7,000 names, I have 857 Master Sources, grouped/lumped as follows:

snip




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Re: [LegacyUG] Tag Living

2007-08-20 Thread aseddon.com
Thanks C.G.,

Fast and very good. And I find people with spouses in the 1500's, even though I 
had run the advance set living tool yesterday.

Art Seddon

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Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Tag Living

How about ...

Search - Find

Individual - Living - Equal To - Yes

Create List

When the List comes up ... 

Options - Advanced Tagging - Everyone in Search List (with your tag number)

C.G. Ouimet 
Kingston, ON



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Re: [LegacyUG] how to set living indicator default to NO

2007-08-20 Thread Cathy

Options  Customise - Data Default tab
top of screen - Living Indicator Default

Cathy
At 06:38 AM 21/08/2007, you wrote:


How do i set the indicator to NO as you mentioned.  I also have a 
lot of people in my file without dates.  I tryed to do it using 
tools but it would not let me do it when there are no dates in the 
birth or death fields.



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RE: [LegacyUG] More Lumping and Splitting (for Gail)

2007-08-20 Thread Cathy

Hi Kirsten,
You need to use the Source List Name to keep things together and 
findable on the Master Source list.

It sorts (currently) only by Source List Name.
How you do it depends on how you think about sources. I do it by 
type. Some people put location first so that all sources for a 
particular State are found together.


Cathy

At 12:03 PM 21/08/2007, you wrote:


Hello Gail:

Your list was extremely informative.  Thanks for doing that tabulation.
Your breakdown appears to pretty closely follow Elizabeth Shown Mills'
recommendations.  Now, of course, it generates a few additional questions:

1)  Does a list of 800+ Master Sources become cumbersome to manage?  (Is it
difficult to find things?)
2)  Do you use Legacy's Source List Name field (short name) to cause like
items such as books, church or cemetery records to sort together on the
Master Source List or does that happen automatically because of the title of
the citation?  (I can see that census listings would sort together, but
church records and some of the others probably would not.)
3)  If you do use a short name, how do you keep track of what you called
things?

Thanks again for your response; it's been very helpful.

Kirsten




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[LegacyUG] Sourcing a directory

2007-08-20 Thread Valeris Garton
I have the following and I would like some help as to how to enter this
information with sources the correct way please:

Dublin Directory 1814
DYAS Robert tailer 22 Castle Street
DYAS George pharmacist Mill Street
DYAS Richard Warburg  Co druggist 26 Bridge Street

Dublin Directory 1848
CULLODEN Peter tanner Mill Street
DYAS John 13 Canal Street

Thanking you in advance

Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. 
Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow 
Wexford 




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