RE: [LegacyUG] order of names

2009-04-21 Thread Kirsten Bowman
Randolph:

I suspect your correspondent has misinterpreted something somewhere along
the line.  The sequence you describe would be extremely confusing and is not
at all common in the US.

Kirsten
  -Original Message-
  From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf
Of Randolph Clark
  Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 2:34 PM
  To: legacyusergroup
  Subject: [LegacyUG] order of names


  In what I viewed as trying to be helpful I fired off a quick note to an
Ancestry.com poster to let her know that she had reversed portions of my
cousins name. Below is part of her response:



  The order of the names has to do with the Ancestry suggestion that runs
throughout my extensive trees and is common in the US. The important for
genealogy reasons maiden name is placed at the end and any married last
names placed after the first name.


  Has anyone ever heard of this?




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RE: [LegacyUG] Transfer Legacy files to reformatted computer?

2009-04-21 Thread ronald ferguson

No problem Janet.
 
Not knowing something is not dumb btw. Remember the definition of a scientist 
being a person who knows a lot about a little :-)



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 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:19:01 -0500
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Transfer Legacy files to reformatted computer?
 From: jlee882...@gmail.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com

 Ron,



 Thank you for your help, I know you must think I am really dumb about this, 
 and actually, I am. It is late here also and I will be out of town all day 
 tomorrow. It will be Wednesday afternoon before I can do anything with 
 Legacy. I do thank you for being so tolerant, maybe we will get this done 
 eventually!




 Thank you,

 Janet


 On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:44 PM, ronald ferguson wrote:


 Janet,

 It's bed time here now, well, 2-15am.; I will be turning in after I send 
 this! So I will try and give you the options.


 You have a confusion between a Gedcom and .fdb file, nor have you said how 
 you got a Gedcom into the Laptop - if it is not on the DVD then how was it 
 done? If it was a Gedcom then this could well be how you lost the notes.


 There are two main ways you can get the files onto your Laptop, either via a 
 CD/DVD or USB stick. You say that the DVD only has zip files on it, but do 
 don't the file names mean anything to you ie Filename.zip? You should be able 
 to tell if they are your Legacy backup from the file name. If you have more 
 than one then can you tell which is the latest? Did you have more than one 
 family file?


 One way of telling the latest is to put the DVD into The Laptop drive and 
 right click on each file, select properties and look at the date. To see what 
 is in it you could right click on it and Extract to a convenient folder (just 
 creat one somewhere and delete it when you've finished)


 If you have only used Legacy to put the files onto the DVD then they must be 
 back up files. and you need to drag the latest into the Legacy Data Folder on 
 your laptop and use FileFile restore, as previously described to open it in 
 Legacy.


 If you still have Legacy running on your PC then as a last resort you could 
 create a backup(s) of your family files, giving it a name which is clear, 
 copy this .zip file to a CD/DVD/USB and drag that into the C:\Legacy\Data 
 folder on your laptop.


 I would not consider using a Gedcom.

 I hope that will get you going.






 Ron Ferguson

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 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:03:20 -0500

 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Transfer Legacy files to reformatted computer?
 From: jlee882...@gmail.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com


 Ron,




 I opened the DVD and there are compressed files there only, zip files. Now I 
 remember, I made a Gedcome of my Legacy 6 on the desktop and that is how I 
 got it into Legacy 7 on the laptop. Do you still want me to do what you 
 suggested below? I think the .fbd files are on the gedcom and the zip files 
 are on the DVD. Both are DVD's. I can insert one and then insert the other 
 one?





 Janet





 On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 5:36 PM, ronald ferguson wrote:


 OK Janet,

 You said that you have your original files on DVD. You need to insert the 
 DVD into the slot on the laptop and the content folders should be displayed. 
 Open the Data Folder



 Click the Windows key on your keyboard, then open Drive C, Legacy, and Data, 
 as before. Arrange the two screens so that they overlap horizontally and 
 hold down the ctrl key whilst selecting all the files in the DVD Data Folder 
 with a .fdb and .zip extension. Continue to hold down the cursor when the 
 last one has been selected and drag the selected files to the Data Folder in 
 the Vista Legacy Data File.



 They should stick - if not repeat until they do :-)

 Open Legacy and try and open as previously described.


 Ron Ferguson

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[LegacyUG] Relationship

2009-04-21 Thread Ruth Nerud
If someone in my Legacy file is related to me, I manually add the 
relationship designation as an Event. My father's adopted sister is married 
to his cousin. Do I use the relationship designation to me through the 
adopted sister or do I unlink her from my Dad's family and use the 
relationship to my Dad's cousin. Thanks for any suggestions.


Ruth Nerud
baber...@worldnet.att.net 





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RE: [LegacyUG] Relationship

2009-04-21 Thread ronald ferguson

Ruth,
 
There is no way that I would unlink her from her family ie. as your father's 
sister, as that is her legal, if not biological status. I might be tempted if 
she never regarded herself as your father's sister, but nevertheless I do not 
think I would make the change.



Ron Ferguson

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 From: baber...@worldnet.att.net
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationship
 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:31:24 -0500

 If someone in my Legacy file is related to me, I manually add the
 relationship designation as an Event. My father's adopted sister is married
 to his cousin. Do I use the relationship designation to me through the
 adopted sister or do I unlink her from my Dad's family and use the
 relationship to my Dad's cousin. Thanks for any suggestions.

 Ruth Nerud
 baber...@worldnet.att.net

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[LegacyUG] Can Genealogy Web Sites Make it Easier to Cite Sources?

2009-04-21 Thread Cathy

Dear Fellow LUG readers,

I read  this interesting article this morning and realized that I 
would love to have this feature as described in the article and the 
video.   However, I wonder how conceivable it would be to get web 
sites like Ancestry, FamilySearch and others to agree to standardize 
their source citations. Of course, how this would work on personal 
web sites or USGenWeb sites was not mentioned.  Only some commercial 
web sites were discussed.


Article:  Can Genealogy Web Sites Make it Easier to Cite Sources?
http://blog.familytreemagazine.com/insider/Can+Genealogy+Web+Sites+Make+It+Easier+To+Cite+Sources.aspx

Right now, I spend time on including detailed source citations every 
time I place a piece of data into my Legacy databases.  My main rule 
of thumb is one that I had leaned some years ago as an internal 
auditor, namely, be sure that whoever reads your source citation can 
use it alone to lead them back to the original 
documentation.  Because I have trained myself to do this, I don't 
consider citing sources to be difficult but I know other genealogists who do.


Of course, Legacy has two ways to cite sources which might be an 
issue if web sites were ever to adopt this premise of Mark 
Tucker.  However, Tucker doesn't seem to think this would be a 
problem as he mentioned that Legacy v7 would be able to accept a 
download of a standard source citation today, if this feature were 
available on web sites.


As I found this such an interesting idea,  I thought that I would 
pass the web link along to you LUG readers. What do you think?


Cathy





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RE: [LegacyUG] Can Genealogy Web Sites Make it Easier to Cite Sources?

2009-04-21 Thread Brian Beddor
Hi Cathy,
I saw Mark Tucker's video yesterday at
http://www.thinkgenealogy.com/better-online-citations/ and was very
impressed.
As a pretty new person to genealogy and to Legacy I must admit that I've
been surprised that we cannot easily download both sources and source
citations from the common web sites such as Family Search or Ancestry or
Footnote.

Maybe the next version of Legacy will include those features!

Brian

-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On
Behalf Of Cathy
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:11 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Can Genealogy Web Sites Make it Easier to Cite
Sources?

Dear Fellow LUG readers,

I read  this interesting article this morning and realized that I 
would love to have this feature as described in the article and the 
video.   However, I wonder how conceivable it would be to get web 
sites like Ancestry, FamilySearch and others to agree to standardize 
their source citations. Of course, how this would work on personal 
web sites or USGenWeb sites was not mentioned.  Only some commercial 
web sites were discussed.

Article:  Can Genealogy Web Sites Make it Easier to Cite Sources?
http://blog.familytreemagazine.com/insider/Can+Genealogy+Web+Sites+Make+
It+Easier+To+Cite+Sources.aspx

Right now, I spend time on including detailed source citations every 
time I place a piece of data into my Legacy databases.  My main rule 
of thumb is one that I had leaned some years ago as an internal 
auditor, namely, be sure that whoever reads your source citation can 
use it alone to lead them back to the original 
documentation.  Because I have trained myself to do this, I don't 
consider citing sources to be difficult but I know other genealogists
who do.

Of course, Legacy has two ways to cite sources which might be an 
issue if web sites were ever to adopt this premise of Mark 
Tucker.  However, Tucker doesn't seem to think this would be a 
problem as he mentioned that Legacy v7 would be able to accept a 
download of a standard source citation today, if this feature were 
available on web sites.

As I found this such an interesting idea,  I thought that I would 
pass the web link along to you LUG readers. What do you think?

Cathy





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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship

2009-04-21 Thread Ruth Nerud

Thanks, Ron. That's what I'd prefer, too. My Dad thought a lot of her.

Ruth

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Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:50 AM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Relationship



Ruth,

There is no way that I would unlink her from her family ie. as your father's 
sister, as that is her legal, if not biological status. I might be tempted 
if she never regarded herself as your father's sister, but nevertheless I do 
not think I would make the change.




Ron Ferguson

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http://www.fergys.co.uk/
View the Grimshaw Family Tree at:
http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/
For The Fergusons of N.W. England See:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
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From: baber...@worldnet.att.net
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationship
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:31:24 -0500

If someone in my Legacy file is related to me, I manually add the
relationship designation as an Event. My father's adopted sister is 
married

to his cousin. Do I use the relationship designation to me through the
adopted sister or do I unlink her from my Dad's family and use the
relationship to my Dad's cousin. Thanks for any suggestions.

Ruth Nerud
baber...@worldnet.att.net


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Re: [LegacyUG] Can Genealogy Web Sites Make it Easier to Cite Sources? (off-topic?)

2009-04-21 Thread Bob Bashford


I realize that the Legacy people may feel this is an off-topic 
discussion, but I'll make this one posting and leave it at that.


Of course, it would be wonderful to have this feature ...

But in the meantime, take a look at the browser addon at www.zotero.org 
... this is a mechanism for citing references automatically ... it's 
university and library and foundation sponsored and addresses the 
citation problem over a broad range of sources ... I'm only beginning to 
understand its power and usefulness ... you can add notes and tags and 
snapshots and search your collected data ... it works with the Ancestry 
and FamilySearch and FootNotes websites, even if somewhat minimally.


Worth a try.

Regards

Bob

Brian Beddor wrote:

Hi Cathy,
I saw Mark Tucker's video yesterday at
http://www.thinkgenealogy.com/better-online-citations/ and was very
impressed.
As a pretty new person to genealogy and to Legacy I must admit that I've
been surprised that we cannot easily download both sources and source
citations from the common web sites such as Family Search or Ancestry or
Footnote.

Maybe the next version of Legacy will include those features!

  





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[LegacyUG] Master source list - 1930 census - published date - Footnote.com

2009-04-21 Thread Brian Beddor
Hi,
I'm trying to cite a 1930 census from Footnote.com and have a question
or two.  In Legacy 7, using the Source Writer, I select the appropriate
census and it asks to fill in several blanks -- one of which is Publish
Date and it says something along the lines of date posted, updated, or
copyrighted.  Now, when I've gotten a census from Ancestry.com, in the
source information gives a date of when it was uploaded.  I didn't see
the date in Footnote.com when they uploaded the 1930 census.  Does
anyone know where I'd find that?

Thanks,
Brian  


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[LegacyUG] Legacy 7.0 user's guide

2009-04-21 Thread Lavern Hall
Hello.

In the last Legacy News, it says there is a Legacy 7 download
available for $9.95.
Is this download the same as the softcover guide that is mailed with
Legacy 7 program cd,
or has it be updated?  TIA

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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

2009-04-21 Thread SgtBob
Rich - I wanted to know what the various data in the columns represent.  I can 
figure out most of them, but what do the first 3-4 columns of  data in the 
tblSX and tblSR mean?  I.e., what do the numbers in those columns represent?  
It might help me to work in Access on some errors I am trying to correct if I 
could figure out their meaning and connection to the Legacy data.

Bob

 RICHARD SCHULTHIES fourpa...@verizon.net wrote: 
 
 When I used to use Access at work, I printed a partial list of field names 
 and the 'long' versions for them. It is in the bottom of my file cabinet, 
 since the computer I created it on is long gone to the dump, I will try to 
 find it. I am curious about the reasons for 'explains the columnar headings 
 and their uses within the various Access reports.' 
 Rich in LA CA
 
 
 
 --- On Mon, 4/20/09, Dennis M. Kowallek kowal...@iglou.com wrote:
 
  From: Dennis M. Kowallek kowal...@iglou.com
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 5:02 AM
  On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 6:48:42 -0400, SgtBob
  s...@cox.net wrote:
  
  is there any data written out that explains the
  columnar headings and their uses within the various Access
  reports.
  
  I don't know of anything public that goes into this
  detail.
  
  I created a list of the various Legacy tables and published
  it at:
  
  http://zippersoftware.com/ltools/help/v1/tables.htm
  
  But I did not write up anything on the columns and how they
  were used.
  That would take a lot of time.
  
  You can figure these things out easily enough by doing a
  little
  experimenting. Create a test database and play around.
   
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

2009-04-21 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:35:47 -0400, SgtBob s...@cox.net wrote:

what do the first 3-4 columns of  data in the tblSX and tblSR mean?

If you open the database in Design View, some of the columns have
annotations (not always up-to-date).

It might help me to work in Access on some errors I am trying to correct if I 
could figure out their meaning and connection to the Legacy data.

What problems are you having?
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship

2009-04-21 Thread Jenny M Benson

Ruth Nerud wrote
If someone in my Legacy file is related to me, I manually add the 
relationship designation as an Event. My father's adopted sister is 
married to his cousin. Do I use the relationship designation to me 
through the adopted sister or do I unlink her from my Dad's family and 
use the relationship to my Dad's cousin. Thanks for any suggestions.


I don't know *why* you feel the need to have a Relationship Event, but 
obviously you do and of course you are quite free to do so and if you 
are doing so I don't see any reason why you shouldn't have two 
Relationship Events, one for Aunt (by adoption) and one for 1st 
Cousin once removed (by marriage).  Or, have one Relationship Event 
which specifies both relationships.


I can't see any need to unlink this person from your father's family and 
I can't see any point in doing so.  She *is* related to you, albeit both 
by adoption and by marriage.  Granted there can be no *blood* 
relationship between you, but it would be misrepresenting your family's 
Family History (as distinct from their Genealogy) if you do not show her 
relationship to your father.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

2009-04-21 Thread Jenny M Benson

SgtBob wrote
Rich - I wanted to know what the various data in the columns represent. 
I can figure out most of them, but what do the first 3-4 columns of 
data in the tblSX and tblSR mean?  I.e., what do the numbers in those 
columns represent?


IDSX is an ID number for each entry in tblSX and IDSR is an ID number 
for each entry in tblSR.


IDSR then appears in tblSX to link each Source Detail to the relevant 
Master Source.


IDIME is the Individual's RIN which allows the Source Detail to be 
linked to the correct Individual.


If I remember correctly, TYPE refers to the Event which is being Sourced 
- 1 being Birth, for example.


Which fields in tblSR are you referring to.  When I look at it that 
table the 2nd to 4th fields are SrcName, SrcTitle and SrcAuthor which I 
would have thought are fairly self-explanatory.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

2009-04-21 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:04:39 +0100, Jenny M Benson
ge...@cedarbank.me.uk wrote:

IDIME is the Individual's RIN which allows the Source Detail to be 
linked to the correct Individual.

It can be ... but it can be other things also. If it was always a
pointer to a RIN, the programmers would have named it IDIR. ;-)

I wonder if there is a better place to discuss these issues. We are
probably boring 99% of the LUGgers.
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.0 user's guide

2009-04-21 Thread Robert Carneal USA
It is easier to update of course, but I don't know that it has been. 
I have the PDF version which I start and display on my monitor while 
running Legacy on another monitor. It makes looking up things easy, 
faster, and simplier for me.


Robert


At 2009-04-21  11:49 AM, you wrote:

Hello.

In the last Legacy News, it says there is a Legacy 7 download
available for $9.95.
Is this download the same as the softcover guide that is mailed with
Legacy 7 program cd,
or has it be updated?  TIA

Lavern Hall




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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

2009-04-21 Thread Kris

Dennis M. Kowallek wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:04:39 +0100, Jenny M Benson
ge...@cedarbank.me.uk wrote:

IDIME is the Individual's RIN which allows the Source Detail to be 
linked to the correct Individual.


It can be ... but it can be other things also. If it was always a
pointer to a RIN, the programmers would have named it IDIR. ;-)

I wonder if there is a better place to discuss these issues. We are
probably boring 99% of the LUGgers.


So conversations have to not only be on topic, they have to be 
exciting, too?  If that's the case, I'm afraid 99% of the messages 
here don't measure up.  ;-)


Two years from now someone who is ignoring this conversation will have 
an inkling about it and want to be looking for it.  It would be a 
shame if only half of it were archived.  :-)




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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

2009-04-21 Thread Jenny M Benson

Dennis M. Kowallek wrote
I wonder if there is a better place to discuss these issues. We are 
probably boring 99% of the LUGgers.


LUGgers who are not interested in this topic don't have to read this 
thread.  Apart from those for whom it has an interest now, there may be 
others in future who find the thread in the Archive and still others who 
pick up a little bit of information that may just come in handy some 
time.


As long as threads are on-topic, I don't think it's a good idea to start 
hiving them off to other places.

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[LegacyUG] Source citation for a telephone call

2009-04-21 Thread Brian Beddor
Hi,
What is the best way to do a source citation for information gotten from
a telephone call?  In this case I called the Church where my grandfather
was married and someone read to me his baptismal date and where he was
baptized.  I looked at using Interview as a source but the options
were for audio/video or transcript.  I don't have a transcript or
anything -- just a couple of notes. I have the person's name, the name
of the Church and phone number. 

Thanks for the help,
Brian


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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

2009-04-21 Thread jeffma...@orthohelp.com

Dennis M. Kowallek wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:04:39 +0100, Jenny M Benson
ge...@cedarbank.me.uk wrote:


IDIME is the Individual's RIN which allows the Source Detail to be
linked to the correct Individual.


It can be ... but it can be other things also. If it was always a
pointer to a RIN, the programmers would have named it IDIR. ;-)

I wonder if there is a better place to discuss these issues. We are
probably boring 99% of the LUGgers.


No you are not. Keep it here.





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RE: [LegacyUG] Source citation for a telephone call

2009-04-21 Thread ronald ferguson

Brian,
 
Surely, that would be a church baptismal record. You have all the details of 
the church, the details of the baptism, and the name of the person, telephone 
is the means of transmission and can be included in the notes.
 
You may have to use some lateral thinking to make it clear - I haven't looked.



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 Subject: [LegacyUG] Source citation for a telephone call
 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:34:00 -0500
 From: bbed...@japsolson.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com

 Hi,
 What is the best way to do a source citation for information gotten from
 a telephone call? In this case I called the Church where my grandfather
 was married and someone read to me his baptismal date and where he was
 baptized. I looked at using Interview as a source but the options
 were for audio/video or transcript. I don't have a transcript or
 anything -- just a couple of notes. I have the person's name, the name
 of the Church and phone number.

 Thanks for the help,
 Brian
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

2009-04-21 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:28:58 +0100, Jenny M Benson
ge...@cedarbank.me.uk wrote:

LUGgers who are not interested in this topic don't have to read this 
thread.

And that's as it should be. I just know that, in the past, discussions
that got quite technical have generated complaints from uninterested
parties. I have been at the receiving end of some of those complaints,
which is why I posed the question.
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship

2009-04-21 Thread Ruth Nerud
Jenny, to answer your comment you don't know why I need a Relationship 
Event, the reason is when I create a report, such as a Descendent Report, 
and there are many persons in the book, it is nice to show how I or anyone 
I'm creating the report for is related to each person, be they grandparents, 
great uncles, cousins, etc. Just to show names and not how they are related 
to the person the Report is created for doesn't mean anything, at least not 
to me. Thank you for the response and suggestion, though.

Ruth
- Original Message - 
From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk

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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship



Ruth Nerud wrote
If someone in my Legacy file is related to me, I manually add the 
relationship designation as an Event. My father's adopted sister is 
married to his cousin. Do I use the relationship designation to me through 
the adopted sister or do I unlink her from my Dad's family and use the 
relationship to my Dad's cousin. Thanks for any suggestions.


I don't know *why* you feel the need to have a Relationship Event, but 
obviously you do and of course you are quite free to do so and if you are 
doing so I don't see any reason why you shouldn't have two Relationship 
Events, one for Aunt (by adoption) and one for 1st Cousin once removed 
(by marriage).  Or, have one Relationship Event which specifies both 
relationships.


I can't see any need to unlink this person from your father's family and I 
can't see any point in doing so.  She *is* related to you, albeit both by 
adoption and by marriage.  Granted there can be no *blood* relationship 
between you, but it would be misrepresenting your family's Family History 
(as distinct from their Genealogy) if you do not show her relationship to 
your father.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

2009-04-21 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:04:39 +0100, Jenny M Benson
ge...@cedarbank.me.uk wrote:

IDIME is the Individual's RIN which allows the Source Detail to be 
linked to the correct Individual.

If I remember correctly, TYPE refers to the Event which is being Sourced 
- 1 being Birth, for example.

If you insist on getting technical...

IDIME (a foreign key) can point to a variety of tables, based on the
value in the Type column. It must have been originally used for
Individual, Marriage, and Event records (hence the IME). But later
versions of Legacy added sourcing of Child Relationship and To-Do
records (off the top of my head).
 
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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

2009-04-21 Thread M. Brenzel
We are not all at the same level of experience with Legacy, with computers,
or with other software.  We all need to be tolerant of the questions and
answers on this list, as long as they are polite in nature.  I am a software
tester by profession and can write my own database query statements.
Information about the inner workings of the database are of interest to me
as I've done updates in my family database in Access.  Some of the questions
posed by people don't interest me and as long as there is a meaningful
subject on the email, I can quickly delete the messages.

As long as they are on topic, let's keep these discussions going.  If the
discussion is too technical for you, just delete the messages.

Mary 

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Of Dennis M. Kowallek
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 5:00 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:28:58 +0100, Jenny M Benson
ge...@cedarbank.me.uk wrote:

LUGgers who are not interested in this topic don't have to read this 
thread.

And that's as it should be. I just know that, in the past, discussions
that got quite technical have generated complaints from uninterested
parties. I have been at the receiving end of some of those complaints,
which is why I posed the question.
 
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RE: [LegacyUG] Source citation for a telephone call

2009-04-21 Thread Brian Beddor
Hi Ron,
Actually it was from the wedding register.  Apparently part of the
information they collect before marriage is when and where the couple
was baptized.  But... you are right... using Church Records seems to
work.  I added the information in the Notes section about the phone
call.

Thanks for getting me to look for the type of record rather than the
mode of transmission of the information.

Brian

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Behalf Of ronald ferguson
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 3:55 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Source citation for a telephone call


Brian,
 
Surely, that would be a church baptismal record. You have all the
details of the church, the details of the baptism, and the name of the
person, telephone is the means of transmission and can be included in
the notes.
 
You may have to use some lateral thinking to make it clear - I haven't
looked.



Ron Ferguson

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 Subject: [LegacyUG] Source citation for a telephone call
 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:34:00 -0500
 From: bbed...@japsolson.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com

 Hi,
 What is the best way to do a source citation for information gotten
from
 a telephone call? In this case I called the Church where my
grandfather
 was married and someone read to me his baptismal date and where he was
 baptized. I looked at using Interview as a source but the options
 were for audio/video or transcript. I don't have a transcript or
 anything -- just a couple of notes. I have the person's name, the name
 of the Church and phone number.

 Thanks for the help,
 Brian
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[LegacyUG] Fw: Merging two files

2009-04-21 Thread Ron And June Weeks

Subject: Merging two files


Hi,
I wonder if somebody can assist me with my minor problem.

I have two reasonably large data files (in excess of 17,000 individuals).  My 
latest file that I am presently working on has about 400 persons less than an 
earlier file that is on a cd. (I had a computer crash, ending up losing some 
data entries)

What I would like to do is compare the two files so that I can find the missing 
400 entries.  I know how to merge and use the split screen methods but would 
like to know what tool I can use to produce these entries.

I don't want to use the earlier version as I have added heaps of info into the 
latest version.

Regards
Ron Weeks in Melbourne, Oz




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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

2009-04-21 Thread Mike Fry

M. Brenzel wrote:

We are not all at the same level of experience with Legacy, with computers,
or with other software.  We all need to be tolerant of the questions and
answers on this list, as long as they are polite in nature.  I am a software
tester by profession and can write my own database query statements.
Information about the inner workings of the database are of interest to me
as I've done updates in my family database in Access.  Some of the questions
posed by people don't interest me and as long as there is a meaningful
subject on the email, I can quickly delete the messages.


Like you, I'm interested - but only because I'm a developer. I have the 
ability at home, to develop VB.NET code that can read the files. So, 
knowing which table contains which data and what each of the columns are 
is of extreme interest to me. You never know, one day I might release a 
utility package that produces all of these 'missing' reports that people 
are looking for :-)


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RE: [LegacyUG] Fw: Merging two files

2009-04-21 Thread ronald ferguson

Ron,
 
Thinking about it, the problem is not so minor - I wouldn't like it! Would you 
tell us whether the two files would still have the same RINs for the same 
Individuals please?



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 From: rdwe...@alphalink.com.au
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Fw: Merging two files
 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:24:07 +1000













 Subject: Merging two files



 Hi,

 I wonder if somebody can assist me with my minor
 problem.



 I have two reasonably large data files (in excess
 of 17,000 individuals). My latest file that I am presently working on has
 about 400 persons less than an earlier file that is on a cd. (I had a
 computer crash, ending up losing some data entries)



 What I would like to do is compare the
 two files so that I can find the missing 400 entries. I know how to merge
 and use the split screen methods but would like to know what tool I can use to
 produce these entries.



 I don't want to use the earlier version as I have
 added heaps of info into the latest version.



 Regards

 Ron Weeks in Melbourne,
 Oz
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Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Merging two files

2009-04-21 Thread Ron Taylor
Your task is quite easy if the second file was originally a Legacy copy of the 
first file meaning that both files have individuals in them with the same 
intellishare values.  If this is not the case then the merge will not be as 
simple but will still work.

1) Merge the new file into the old file and allow the RINs to be re-numbered to 
a range above what is already in the old file.  If the highest RIN in the old 
file is 17,540 then you might make the new file start with 20,000 or something 
higher.  Also make the MRINs start with a high value as they are merged.

2) Execute the intellishare merge and any other merges to combine the records.  
Note as you work that the old file RIN numbers are from 1 to 17540 while the 
new records will be 20,000 and above.  That makes it easy to identify which 
file each record is coming from.

3) After completing all merges, then look at the name list sorted by RIN to see 
those records which were in the new file because they will still be numbered 
above 20,000.  You could search for them by RIN number as well and produce 
whatever printouts might prove useful.

I recently helped a woman who had worked on several different copies of her 
file and lost track of which was the most recent.  We dumped all the files into 
one database and merged the entire lot.  Then, it was obvious by the RIN 
numbers which had been assigned during the merge which records had come from 
which contributing file.

Happy merging.  Hope this will help.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Source citation for a telephone call

2009-04-21 Thread RICHARD SCHULTHIES

A phone conversation would be an audio interview?
Rich in LA CA


--- On Tue, 4/21/09, Brian Beddor bbed...@japsolson.com wrote:

 From: Brian Beddor bbed...@japsolson.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Source citation for a telephone call
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 1:34 PM
 Hi,
 What is the best way to do a source citation for
 information gotten from
 a telephone call?  In this case I called the Church where
 my grandfather
 was married and someone read to me his baptismal date and
 where he was
 baptized.  I looked at using Interview as a
 source but the options
 were for audio/video or transcript.  I don't have a
 transcript or
 anything -- just a couple of notes. I have the person's
 name, the name
 of the Church and phone number. 
 
 Thanks for the help,
 Brian
 
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Merging two files

2009-04-21 Thread RICHARD SCHULTHIES

Having had similar problems in the past. Merging the two would help but may 
take weeks to finish the not matchers. It could be better to run 2 name lists 
and save them each to your 'word' type program, so you need not print anything, 
and compare them against each other to see which RINS are missing. There may be 
as many as 800 missing from one or the other. OR, print both, take pencil to 
each list and cross off matches.
Hope this helps.
Rich in LA CA
Ask off-group if you need more help.


--- On Tue, 4/21/09, Ron And June Weeks rdwe...@alphalink.com.au wrote:

 From: Ron And June Weeks rdwe...@alphalink.com.au
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Fw: Merging two files
 To: Legacy User Group LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
 Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 3:24 PM
 Subject: Merging two files
 
 
 Hi,
 I wonder if somebody can assist me with my minor problem.
 
 I have two reasonably large data files (in excess of 17,000
 individuals).  My latest file that I am presently working on
 has about 400 persons less than an earlier file that is on a
 cd. (I had a computer crash, ending up losing some data
 entries)
 
 What I would like to do is compare the two files so that I
 can find the missing 400 entries.  I know how to merge and
 use the split screen methods but would like to know what
 tool I can use to produce these entries.
 
 I don't want to use the earlier version as I have added
 heaps of info into the latest version.
 
 Regards
 Ron Weeks in Melbourne, Oz
 
 
 
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Merging two files

2009-04-21 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:18:01 +0100, ronald ferguson ronfe...@msn.com
wrote:

Thinking about it, the problem is not so minor - I wouldn't like it! Would you 
tell us whether the two files would still have the same RINs for the same 
Individuals please?

Might an Intellishare merge work?
 
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RE: [LegacyUG] Fw: Merging two files

2009-04-21 Thread ronald ferguson

I think an Intellishare merge may well work, but suspect it may take ages.
 
I was thinking that it may be faster to see which RINs are in each, then 
compare the two lists to find which are only in the original. This of course, 
would only work if the RINs have not been changed. I note that Ron says that 
unspecified changes have been made to the new file.



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 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Merging two files
 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:23:43 -0400

 On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:18:01 +0100, ronald ferguson 
 wrote:

Thinking about it, the problem is not so minor - I wouldn't like it! Would 
you tell us whether the two files would still have the same RINs for the same 
Individuals please?

 Might an Intellishare merge work?

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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

2009-04-21 Thread SgtBob
Didn't mean to upset folks in asking about the Access data.  I will review the 
items under the design feature and see if I can figure out the data. I'm not 
that familiar with all the nuances of Access, so I will study it and refrain 
from asking more questions on this area. Obviously a sore point... sorry.


Bob

 
 Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk wrote: 
 SgtBob wrote
 Rich - I wanted to know what the various data in the columns represent. 
 I can figure out most of them, but what do the first 3-4 columns of 
 data in the tblSX and tblSR mean?  I.e., what do the numbers in those 
 columns represent?
 
 IDSX is an ID number for each entry in tblSX and IDSR is an ID number 
 for each entry in tblSR.
 
 IDSR then appears in tblSX to link each Source Detail to the relevant 
 Master Source.
 
 IDIME is the Individual's RIN which allows the Source Detail to be 
 linked to the correct Individual.
 
 If I remember correctly, TYPE refers to the Event which is being Sourced 
 - 1 being Birth, for example.
 
 Which fields in tblSR are you referring to.  When I look at it that 
 table the 2nd to 4th fields are SrcName, SrcTitle and SrcAuthor which I 
 would have thought are fairly self-explanatory.
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