Re: [LegacyUG] Census records: Master Source v. Detail Source

[Gail Nestor]

That was the whole reason I previously advocated having identical citation
details entered only once, and then creating multiple links to different
people (instead of having to create multiple entries of the same detail each
time it is needed).  Not only would the links leave less room for error and
make error correction much quicker, but it would also take up way less room
in the database.  The one drawback with the links is that they would not
translate correctly via gedcom for posting on a website.

For now, I'll just be really happy when get the gedcom export issues are
worked out so that the cool new source template features will translate to
my website.  I am so happy to know that project is in the works.

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, Georgia
www.roots2buds.net


On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 8:05 AM, Dick Nixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well said. I came to the same conclusion some time ago.  Lumping makes
> sense in theory but the editing problem you cite makes it much more
> difficult in practice.
>
> I think that there are other reasons for splitting as well but it was
> fixing mistakes or making additons in souce detail that convinced me.
>
> RJN
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 5:04 AM, music-line <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> >>
> > When Legacy 7 was released with the new sourcewriter tool, I made two
> > decisions.  Firstly, that I would convert my sources to the 'new system'
> and
> > secondly to try and lump my sources together, taking the advice in
> Evidence
> > Explained on page 259:
> >
> > "Most researchers find that the Source List is not the place to list
> census
> > entries by household or personal name. That level of detail in a Source
> List
> > soon makes the list unmanageable."
> >
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Re: [LegacyUG] Source detail craziness

[Gail Nestor]

Thanks for the update Geoff!  And thanks for all the hard work behind
the scenes that we don't see.  I know that when these issues are
resolved, Legacy will have *the only* genealogy software product out
there that offers EE-style templates AND the ability to create dynamic
webpages with the output formatted in the same way as viewed in the
Legacy program.  This will be a tremendous selling point to those on
the APG list and in the professional community (not that I am a
member, but I do care about my sources to an insane degree!).

Thanks again and best of luck in testing and a release when everything
is ready.  I remain confident that this is going to be great!!!
Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, Georgia
www.roots2buds.net


On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Geoff Rasmussen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Just an updatein our internal testing, it looks like Dave has resolved
> most of the SourceWriter and reporting issues. We'll be doing a test build
> this week for testers to flush anything else out. We've been working long
> hours these past few weeks to resolve the issues, and thank you for your
> patience.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Geoff Rasmussen
> Millennia Corporation
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirsten
> Bowman
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 4:00 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Source detail craziness
>
> Kate:
>
> Welcome to the Legacy7 Sourcing Nightmare.  If you'll check the List
> archives for June, July, August, and September, you'll see just a few posts
> about source-related bugs.
> There's no solution, although Geoff has promised a fix "Soon" (a month ago).
> If you have a client waiting for a report, I'd suggest you quickly backtrack
> to Legacy6 and stay there until the next update is issued and given a long
> vigorous test by users.  It's been impossible to produce any type of usable
> Legacy7 report containing sources for over 4 months although I believe some
> have been successful in printing reports direct from Legacy as long as they
> haven't included certain SourceWriter templates.  Of course, producing a
> hardcopy is probably not an option in your situation.
>
> Sorry to be the bearer of such bad news, so I won't compound things by
> mentioning the list posting rules.
>
> Kirsten
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Citations Free Form

[Gail Nestor]

Patti - please don't give up on Legacy!  I need you in here working wth me
as an APG member, a Legacy user, and a TNG web site designer!

I really think the sourcewriter is going to work out well and I'm so glad
that Geoff and the programmers are working on the export issue.  Geoff, I
truly believe that this program could also win over many in the professional
genealogy community if/when we can get the export working smoothly.  That
would be a great product endorsement!  I can just see the Eastman BLOG
write-up now...

No other known genealogy database product out there can currently offer
EE-style citations that can be exported to the web unless they are done
manually (at least none that anyone could come up with on the APG List).
Plus the Legacy templates really help with input standardization and ease of
use.  Elizabeth's book (in spite of its thorough coverage of topics) isn't
nearly as easy to understand as the Legacy templates are.  I find that
I first select the Legacy template and then just look up the EE book page to
make sure the output is how it needs to be.

Since I'm now homeschooling my two kids, my genealogy time is much
more limited than in the st.  Therefore, I'm just planning to wait patiently
and hope for this gedcom export solution to come sooner or later.  Geoff, I
remain very interested in this enhancement and would be more than happy to
test out exported citations offline as the need arises.

Thanks for the update and if anyone has or knows family with school-aged
kids, check out my eductional links page (all free resources) on my
genealogy website: http://www.roots2buds.net/educationalbookmarks.htm.
Enjoy!

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, Georgia
www.roots2buds.net


On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Geoff Rasmussen <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> We are also working on a special "web" export which will format your
> citations so they work perfectly with GEDCOM-submission sites such as TNG.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Geoff Rasmussen
> Millennia Corporation
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.LegacyFamilyTree.com 
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patti
> Hobbs
> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 7:31 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Citations Free Form
>
> Yes, thanks, Janis; helps perfectly.  I'll have to see how it exports
> to TNG now.  I thought I had seen that somewhere in Legacy, but I've
> just not been spending much time lately with the citations in it.
>
> Patti
> On Sep 16, 2008, at 8:57 AM, Janis L Gilmore wrote:
>
> > Patti, I have used the SourceWriter override boxes for some sources
> > that I
> > felt just weren't shaping up as I liked - particularly in one case
> > when the
> > source was so compound in nature that it really required more than I
> > could
> > squeeze out of the SourceWriter. You can use out the SourceWriter,
> > as usual,
> > to the best of your ability, and then completely rewrite the output,
> > if you
> > like.
> >
> > To me this is preferable because it also allows an override for the
> > subsequent citation, and bibliography etc. So you can catch all
> > three at the
> > same time. This is in the source detail rather than the master
> > source, if
> > that bothers you.
> >
> > Did that make sense?
> >
> > Janis
> >
> >
> > On 9/16/08 8:54 AM, "Patti Hobbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Some other programs provide options for just writing out one's own
> >> citation in a "free-form" box rather than using the individual entry
> >> pieces that I see in Legacy. Is there a way to bypass the normal
> >> source citation forms and just write it yourself?
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Re: [LegacyUG] V7 Sources: Nifty formatting lost in gedcom output

[Gail Nestor]

Hi Geoff, that sounds wonderful to me!!  I would be glad to be a
tester for this if you have need for that kind of help.  Also, there
is another guy who uses Legacy and TNG and who is also a good
programmer (better than I am anyway!).  He said he would work with me
on the TNG end to see if we could manipulate the gedcom data a bit.
However, I like it being on Legacy's end a lot better.

Thanks so much for hearing this request.  I remain fiercely loyal to
Legacy and I have really, really enjoyed the new source-writer so far!

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, Georgia
www.roots2buds.net



On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Geoff Rasmussen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dave and I met about this yesterday and have some ideas.
>
> First of all, one of our great challenges when developing the SourceWriter 
> was to ensure that no information is lost when sharing via GEDCOM. Because 
> the GEDCOM standard does not have specific fields for the specific 
> SourceWriter fields, Legacy has to "break apart" the nice EE-style citations 
> into the source fields as accepted by GEDCOM, namely title, author, 
> publication, etc. So, while no SourceWriter information is lost, the 
> formatting is not retained when exporting.
>
> But...the SourceWriter citations are so nice :) that it'd sure be great if 
> when publishing to the web, such as to TNG, WorldConnect, and other 
> GEDCOM-based publishing cites, that Legacy's SourceWriter citations were 
> preserved.
>
> Therefore, we have some ideas about adding a new GEDCOM Export option. When 
> you go to the GEDCOM Export screen, we could add new choice under the 
> "Produce File For" drop-down list called "The Web" or "GEDCOM-based 
> publishing" or something like that. With this option selected, when the 
> GEDCOM is uploaded to the site of choice, the entire citation will read as it 
> is displayed in the Footnote/Endnote Citation of the output preview. This new 
> export option would also set certain privacy defaults and others.
>
> If this makes sense to any of you, would this solution be adequate?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Geoff Rasmussen
> Millennia Corporation
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
> ===
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor
> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 8:41 AM
> To: Legacy User Group
> Subject: [LegacyUG] V7 Sources: Nifty formatting lost in gedcom output
>
> Do you happen to find yourself in the following three categories?
>
> 1) You use Legacy v7 sourcewriter and have converted some/all of your sources
> 2) You publish to the web using TNG
> 3) You strongly desire to have these sources formatted according to Evidence 
> Explained
>
> If so, please note that the gedcom output from Legacy does not lend itself to 
> formatting the same way the web site as it does in Legacy reports.  I was so 
> excited that Legacy came up with sourcewriter and that we could finally 
> format our sources the way that the professional genealogy field does.  The 
> sourcewriter tool is easy to use and I think it's going to help many people 
> get over a fear of sourcing.
>
> This is all great!  However, for those of us who publish to the web, all is 
> lost in the translation to gedcom.  This is a huge disappointment to me!  We 
> must either find a way to get TNG to re-format the gedcom data or find a way 
> to have Legacy export the sources in the same way they are presented on the 
> screen.
>
> I am at a loss on how to proceed.  I have converted 3/4 of my census data to 
> the new source format, but on my TNG website, these sources are still a mess. 
>  If you would like to respond off-line, I would sure love to have some fellow 
> collaborators on working out this issue.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gail Rich Nestor
> Smyrna, Georgia
> www.roots2buds.net
>
>
>



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Re: [LegacyUG] V7 Sources: Nifty formatting lost in gedcom output

[Gail Nestor]

I think Legacy's gedcom format is not the problem.  It's just that a
gedcom file strips away all the formatting that Legacy uses to create
the nice EE-style citations.  One example is that the US census
template asks for Jurisdiction State in one field and Jurisdiction
County in another.  In the gedcom tag, it shows up as "1 AUTH State,
County" whereas in the EE-style source output, these two components
would be presented in the reverse order.

This would be easy enough to fix on the back end.  However, other
gedcom components would take some serious programming changes to
re-arrange.  I am in the midst of asking TNG to consider implementing
some of these.  In the mean time, I still think Legacy's sourcewriter
is awesome.  I just wish the gedcom did not make such a mess of
things.  It would be nice if each of the template components could go
to its own gedcom line and tag and then the back-end programming would
not be so complicated.

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, Georgia
www.roots2buds.net



On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 2:26 PM, ronald ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Kirsten,
>
> I do not use WorldConnect and although I have trees on Ancestry I haven't 
> used them for a long time (now well out of date!), so I actually don't know, 
> but there is no reason to suppose that they will not produce good results.
>
> TNG uses a particular type of web coding and it is quite possible that it 
> does not know how to handle the current Legacy Gedom output. It does not 
> follow that this will apply to other types of coding. I recently transferred 
> a Gedcom from Legacy to another program and this transferred OK, so it would 
> seem that the basic Legacy Gedcom 5.5 is OK.
>
>
> Ron Ferguson
>
> _
>
> Update your British Prime Ministers Timeline - Blogs
> http://www.fergys.co.uk
> View the Grimshaw Family Tree at:
> http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/
> For The Fergusons of N.W. England See:
> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
> _
>
>
>
>
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
>> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] V7 Sources: Nifty formatting lost in gedcom output
>> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:17:56 -0700
>>
>> Gail:
>>
>> What a crushing disappointment! I don't have a website, but as I've worked 
>> away at converting sources I've also wondered how they will appear when 
>> posted at RootsWeb's WorldConnect via gedcom. (I haven't tried it yet 
>> because of the source repetition bug.) I wasn't expecting a perfect 
>> translation, but was hoping they wouldn't turn into unintelligible garbage. 
>> I'm curious about whether anyone else has tried updating a WorldConnect tree 
>> with SourceWriter-generated citations.
>>
>> Kirsten
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gail Nestor
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 8:41 AM
>> To: Legacy User Group
>> Subject: [LegacyUG] V7 Sources: Nifty formatting lost in gedcom output
>>
>>
>> Do you happen to find yourself in the following three categories?
>>
>> 1) You use Legacy v7 sourcewriter and have converted some/all of your sources
>> 2) You publish to the web using TNG
>> 3) You strongly desire to have these sources formatted according to Evidence 
>> Explained
>>
>> If so, please note that the gedcom output from Legacy does not lend itself 
>> to formatting the same way the web site as it does in Legacy reports. I was 
>> so excited that Legacy came up with sourcewriter and that we could finally 
>> format our sources the way that the professional genealogy field does. The 
>> sourcewriter tool is easy to use and I think it's going to help many people 
>> get over a fear of sourcing.
>>
>> This is all great! However, for those of us who publish to the web, all is 
>> lost in the translation to gedcom. This is a huge disappointment to me! We 
>> must either find a way to get TNG to re-format the gedcom data or find a way 
>> to have Legacy export the sources in the same way they are presented on the 
>> screen.
>>
>> I am at a loss on how to proceed. I have converted 3/4 of my census data to 
>> the new source format, but on my TNG website, these sources are still a 
>> mess. If you would like to respond off-line, I would sure love to have some 
>> fellow collaborators on working out this issue.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Gail Rich Nestor
>> Smyrna, Georgia
>> www.roots2buds.net
>>



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[LegacyUG] V7 Sources: Nifty formatting lost in gedcom output

[Gail Nestor]

Do you happen to find yourself in the following three categories?

1) You use Legacy v7 sourcewriter and have converted some/all of your
sources
2) You publish to the web using TNG
3) You strongly desire to have these sources formatted according to Evidence
Explained

If so, please note that the gedcom output from Legacy does not lend itself
to formatting the same way the web site as it does in Legacy reports.  I was
so excited that Legacy came up with sourcewriter and that we could finally
format our sources the way that the professional genealogy field does.  The
sourcewriter tool is easy to use and I think it's going to help many people
get over a fear of sourcing.

This is all great!  However, for those of us who publish to the web, all is
lost in the translation to gedcom.  This is a huge disappointment to me!  We
must either find a way to get TNG to re-format the gedcom data or find a way
to have Legacy export the sources in the same way they are presented on the
screen.

I am at a loss on how to proceed.  I have converted 3/4 of my census data to
the new source format, but on my TNG website, these sources are still a
mess.  If you would like to respond off-line, I would sure love to have some
fellow collaborators on working out this issue.

Thanks,

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, Georgia
www.roots2buds.net




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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Translation between Legacy v7 & TNG

[Gail Nestor]

Jennifer, I just checked a sample from my latest Legacy gedcom file
for a source using Sourcewriter and it shows:

0 @S1294@ SOUR
1 ABBR Census: Georgia, Decatur - 1860 U.S. Census [Ancestry.com images]
1 TITL 1860 U.S. census, \i Ancestry.com\i0
1 AUTH Georgia, Decatur County
1 PUBL http://www.ancestry.com: National Archives and Records Admi
2 CONC nistration, 2004

Notice the \i0 tag at the end of Ancestry.com?  On the assigned
sources screen in Legacy (v7.0.0.55), it does correctly show up in
italics.

Would you mind sharing your web site address so we can compare notes?

Legacy, can someone comment on this??


Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, Georgia
www.roots2buds.net


On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Jennifer Crockett
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gail, I will have to see if I have a back-up of when I had this problem. I do 
> remember it appeared in Legacy in the source and was not a transfer to TNG 
> problem. I have avoided using the new source writer since then. In the 
> meantime, if you go to Edit Source in Legacy can you not see the offending 
> tags? I removed them from there and no longer had them appear in TNG.
>
> Jennifer
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor
> Sent: Sunday, 20 July 2008 12:01 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Translation between Legacy v7 & TNG
>
> I am using 7.0.0.55 which seems to be the latest.  I noticed that on
> the Legacy output screen the italics are correct (without those pesky
> tags), but somewhere in the translation to the web, they are getting
> messed up again.  I have chosen to keep embedded codes and convert to
> html, but I must be missing something else.
>
> Is your source output order showing up like mine, or is it the same as
> on the Legacy screen?
>
> Gail Rich Nestor
> Smyrna, Georgia
> www.roots2buds.net
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Jennifer Crockett
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Gail,
>>
>> Are you using the latest version of Legacy? I notice you are still getting 
>> the odd "1860 U.S. census, \i 2004\i0". Have a look in your source in Legacy 
>> to see if it is there. That happened to me when Legacy 7 was first released, 
>> but after updating to the last release I can't duplicate it.
>>
>> Jennifer
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor
>> Sent: Saturday, 19 July 2008 4:58 AM
>> To: Legacy User Group
>> Subject: [LegacyUG] Source Translation between Legacy v7 & TNG
>>
>> I have a few questions for those of you using TNG v7 (The Next
>> Generation of Genealogy Sitebuilding) to create your website and using
>> Legacy v7 for your database.
>>
>> 1) Have you converted any/all of your sources using Legacy's new 
>> sourcewriter?
>> 2) Have you imported a gedcom file to your website?
>> 3) Did your sources appear on your website as you wished them to?
>>
>> An example of one of my census sources shows on my website as follows
>> (see http://www.roots2buds.net/getperson.php?personID=I6256&tree=nestor):
>>
>> Census: Alabama, Marshall - 1850 U.S. Census [Ancestry.com images],
>> Alabama, Marshall County, (http://www.ancestry.com: National Archives
>> and Records Administration, 2005), M432, roll 10, District 23, p. 272,
>> dwelling 123, family 124, David Rich household, accessed 16 Feb 2007,
>> 1 Jul 2008.
>>
>> This is how it appears on the screen in Legacy (and the way I would
>> like it to appear):
>> 1850 U.S. census, Marshall County, Alabama, population schedule,
>> District 23, p. 272, dwelling 123, family 124, David Rich household;
>> digital image, Ancestry.com (http://www.ancestry.com : accessed 16 Feb
>> 2007); citing National Archives and Records Administration microfilm
>> M432, roll 10.
>>
>> It seems that TNG is using the "Master Source List Name" (Census:
>> Alabama, Marshall - 1850 U.S. Census [Ancestry.com images]) of the
>> source in place of the master source template information from Legacy
>> (1850 U.S. census, Marshall County, Alabama, population schedule).
>>
>> Is this due to the way I am generating my gedcom?  I created the
>> gedcom in Legacy v7 using the following options:
>> Export To: GEDCOM File
>> Produce File For: Legacy
>> Keep embedded formatting codes within text: checked
>> Convert formatting codes to HTML style: checked
>>
>> I would very much appreciate help with this issue!
>>
>> Gail Rich Nestor
>> Smyrna, Georgia
&g

Re: [LegacyUG] Source Translation between Legacy v7 & TNG

[Gail Nestor]

I am using 7.0.0.55 which seems to be the latest.  I noticed that on
the Legacy output screen the italics are correct (without those pesky
tags), but somewhere in the translation to the web, they are getting
messed up again.  I have chosen to keep embedded codes and convert to
html, but I must be missing something else.

Is your source output order showing up like mine, or is it the same as
on the Legacy screen?

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, Georgia
www.roots2buds.net


On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Jennifer Crockett
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gail,
>
> Are you using the latest version of Legacy? I notice you are still getting 
> the odd "1860 U.S. census, \i 2004\i0". Have a look in your source in Legacy 
> to see if it is there. That happened to me when Legacy 7 was first released, 
> but after updating to the last release I can't duplicate it.
>
> Jennifer
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor
> Sent: Saturday, 19 July 2008 4:58 AM
> To: Legacy User Group
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Source Translation between Legacy v7 & TNG
>
> I have a few questions for those of you using TNG v7 (The Next
> Generation of Genealogy Sitebuilding) to create your website and using
> Legacy v7 for your database.
>
> 1) Have you converted any/all of your sources using Legacy's new sourcewriter?
> 2) Have you imported a gedcom file to your website?
> 3) Did your sources appear on your website as you wished them to?
>
> An example of one of my census sources shows on my website as follows
> (see http://www.roots2buds.net/getperson.php?personID=I6256&tree=nestor):
>
> Census: Alabama, Marshall - 1850 U.S. Census [Ancestry.com images],
> Alabama, Marshall County, (http://www.ancestry.com: National Archives
> and Records Administration, 2005), M432, roll 10, District 23, p. 272,
> dwelling 123, family 124, David Rich household, accessed 16 Feb 2007,
> 1 Jul 2008.
>
> This is how it appears on the screen in Legacy (and the way I would
> like it to appear):
> 1850 U.S. census, Marshall County, Alabama, population schedule,
> District 23, p. 272, dwelling 123, family 124, David Rich household;
> digital image, Ancestry.com (http://www.ancestry.com : accessed 16 Feb
> 2007); citing National Archives and Records Administration microfilm
> M432, roll 10.
>
> It seems that TNG is using the "Master Source List Name" (Census:
> Alabama, Marshall - 1850 U.S. Census [Ancestry.com images]) of the
> source in place of the master source template information from Legacy
> (1850 U.S. census, Marshall County, Alabama, population schedule).
>
> Is this due to the way I am generating my gedcom?  I created the
> gedcom in Legacy v7 using the following options:
> Export To: GEDCOM File
> Produce File For: Legacy
> Keep embedded formatting codes within text: checked
> Convert formatting codes to HTML style: checked
>
> I would very much appreciate help with this issue!
>
> Gail Rich Nestor
> Smyrna, Georgia
> www.roots2buds.net
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Translation between Legacy v7 & TNG

[Gail Nestor]

Hi Jennifer and Patti, I'm so glad you guys are chiming in on this
issue!  OK, I removed the ABBR tag (I had already removed the others
you had mentioned), and re-exported the new gedcom file.

Take a look at the source output for Eva G. Baker at
http://www.roots2buds.net/getperson.php?personID=I6142&tree=nestor.
The 1900 census is in the old format, but the 1910-1930 censuses were
converted in the new sourcewriter.

Here are the issues:
1) Ancestry.com is still surrounded by the /i tags and should not be
2nd in the sequence
2) The recorded date is tagged on at the end of the citation
3) the rest of the components are all out of order


In Legacy:
1910 U.S. census, Wilkes County, North Carolina, population schedule,
Brushy Mountain Township, enumeration district (ED) 163, sheet 1B,
dwelling 10, family 10, Nath Frank Baker household; digital image,
Ancestry.com (http://www.ancestry.com : accessed 3 Feb 2007); citing
National Archives and Records Administration microfilm T624, roll
1134.

On web site:
1910 U.S. census, \i Ancestry.com\i0, North Carolina, Wilkes County,
(http://www.ancestry.com: National Archives and Records
Administration, 2006), T624, roll 1134, Brushy Mountain Township,
enumeration district (ED) 163, sheet 1B, dwelling 10, family 10, Nath
Frank Baker household, accessed 3 Feb 2007, 18 Jul 2008.

Is there another trick I am missing?

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, Georgia
www.roots2buds.net


On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Jennifer Crockett
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes Mary, that is what I do.
>
> File
> Export to
> GEDCOM file
> Produce file for: Legacy
>
> Record selection
> Customise: Export these items: Remove ABBR (I also remove NICK – nicknames 
> and QUAY – surety level)
> Any items you want to EXCLUDE (I tick Research notes and To-Do and also 
> Marriage status as if I have a divorce event I do not want it to show up 
> twice)
>
> Select file name and start export
>
> Jennifer
>
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Fowler 
> Leek
> Sent: Saturday, 19 July 2008 10:38 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Translation between Legacy v7 & TNG
>
> Jennifer,
>
> In my gedcoms created in Legacy and using 5.5, they don't include the ABBR 
> tag.
>
> Are you creating a gedcom for Legacy rather than the 5.5, and then removing 
> the ABBR tags before importing into TNG?
>
> Mary
> - Original Message -
> From: Jennifer Crockett
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 8:05 PM
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Source Translation between Legacy v7 & TNG
>
> Gail,
>
> The same thing happens to me. I overcame it by removing the ABBR tag from my 
> Legacy gedcom export. I initially did this because I didn't want both the 
> Source Name and Source Title displayed because in many cases it is the same. 
> Removing the tag stops the Source Name being exported. In TNG this populates 
> the Long Title with Legacy's Source Title and leaves the Short Title blank. I 
> ignore TNGs "required" after the Short Title.
>
> Jennifer
> http://colston-wenck.com
>
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Fowler 
> Leek
> Sent: Saturday, 19 July 2008 6:58 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Translation between Legacy v7 & TNG
>
> Gail,
>
> My sources are displayed the same way. TNG appears to use the Source Name 
> list field, rather than the source title field. I create my gedcoms using 5.5 
> and the sources are still identified as yours are in my TNG site. I don't 
> think it's anything you're doing or could do differently, unless you want to 
> change over all of your source names in the list. I use it to help me group 
> sources, so I won't change anything in Legacy. Perhaps one day Darrin will 
> change the way TNG reads the sources in Legacy.
>
>
> Mary
>
> From: Gail Nestor
>
> I have a few questions for those of you using TNG v7 (The Next
> Generation of Genealogy Sitebuilding) to create your website and using
> Legacy v7 for your database.
>
> 1) Have you converted any/all of your sources using Legacy's new sourcewriter?
> 2) Have you imported a gedcom file to your website?
> 3) Did your sources appear on your website as you wished them to?
>
> An example of one of my census sources shows on my website as follows
> (see http://www.roots2buds.net/getperson.php?personID=I6256&tree=nestor):
>
> Census: Alabama, Marshall - 1850 U.S. Census [Ancestry.com images],
> Alabama, Marshall County, (http://www.ancestry.com: National Archives
> and Records Administration, 2005), M432, roll 10, District 

[LegacyUG] Source Translation between Legacy v7 & TNG

[Gail Nestor]

I have a few questions for those of you using TNG v7 (The Next
Generation of Genealogy Sitebuilding) to create your website and using
Legacy v7 for your database.

1) Have you converted any/all of your sources using Legacy's new sourcewriter?
2) Have you imported a gedcom file to your website?
3) Did your sources appear on your website as you wished them to?

An example of one of my census sources shows on my website as follows
(see http://www.roots2buds.net/getperson.php?personID=I6256&tree=nestor):

Census: Alabama, Marshall - 1850 U.S. Census [Ancestry.com images],
Alabama, Marshall County, (http://www.ancestry.com: National Archives
and Records Administration, 2005), M432, roll 10, District 23, p. 272,
dwelling 123, family 124, David Rich household, accessed 16 Feb 2007,
1 Jul 2008.

This is how it appears on the screen in Legacy (and the way I would
like it to appear):
1850 U.S. census, Marshall County, Alabama, population schedule,
District 23, p. 272, dwelling 123, family 124, David Rich household;
digital image, Ancestry.com (http://www.ancestry.com : accessed 16 Feb
2007); citing National Archives and Records Administration microfilm
M432, roll 10.

It seems that TNG is using the "Master Source List Name" (Census:
Alabama, Marshall - 1850 U.S. Census [Ancestry.com images]) of the
source in place of the master source template information from Legacy
(1850 U.S. census, Marshall County, Alabama, population schedule).

Is this due to the way I am generating my gedcom?  I created the
gedcom in Legacy v7 using the following options:
Export To: GEDCOM File
Produce File For: Legacy
Keep embedded formatting codes within text: checked
Convert formatting codes to HTML style: checked

I would very much appreciate help with this issue!

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, Georgia
www.roots2buds.net



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Re: [LegacyUG] Census - To split or not to split, that is the question!

[Gail Nestor]

One reason I like lumping census sources at the county level is that I can
click on a county and see all the people who live in that county all
together.  This is handy when I am studying migration patterns and when I'm
searching for a widow or orphan family to merge into the fold.

Lumping becomes more and more desirable the larger the database (and the
source list) one has.

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, Georgia
www.roots2buds.net

On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Jenny M Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>
> music-line wrote
>
>> I may be wrong, but I think he might even use '1901, England' as a Master
>> Source with everything else as Detail.
>>
>
> I certainly do!
>
> I positively quail at the thought of having a separate Master Source for
> every location for every Census - it would run into hundreds. Good database
> practice is not to have repeated information but I think there is a good
> case for not taking this rule to the extreme when it comes to Sourcing.
>
> With regard to your point about searching, Legacy 7 is *hot* when it comes
> to searching and you can search for any element of a Master Source or Source
> Citation, as well as numerous other fields.
> --
> Jenny M Benson
>
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[LegacyUG] Personal E-mail Master Source Template (lumping vs. splitting)

[Gail Nestor]

Hi Geoff, I agree with others that it would be nice to have the option
to enter the sender, recipient, and subject matter information within
the source detail rather than in the master source.  I would much
rather lump all e-mails under a single master source like "Nestor
Research Files" rather than having a separate source for each note I
receive.

I realize that I can type the details into the Text/Comments field of
the Source Detail screen to sort of get around this, but then I lose
the order of the components.  Maybe we could provide a button on the
master source screen that would allow the user to access the same
template at the source detail level instead of the master source
level.

Also, I noticed there is an extra comma right after e-address as
follows: (E-ADDRESS), & STREET ADDRESS FOR PRIVATE USE,] in the
output.  I'm going to wait on converting these sources for now.  It
sounds like others would find this useful as well.

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Smyrna, Georgia
www.roots2buds.net



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Re: [LegacyUG] Old Source Detail associated with newly Merged Master Sources

[Gail Nestor]

I think what Janis and I were talking about has to do with what
happens to the source detail.  When you merge an old master source
(which has one or more details attached to it) into a new sourcewriter
source, the new source does replace the old one as expected.  The
source details associated with the old source also do seem to go along
and become part of the the newly merged source.

*However*, when you look at the assigned sources screen, you cannot
see the old source details in the source output tab at the bottom of
the screen, even when you select "show entire source" (at least I
can't).  You *can* still see part of the source details in the upper
part of the assigned sources screen, but unless your entry is short
(which mine aren't for my census sources), you will have to stretch
the field width to the max to (hopefully) see it all.  Even then, I
don't believe you can do a copy/paste of this data, but maybe I am
wrong.

I have been feverishly working on source conversion for the last
couple of days and I think I have a few good tips to share.  When I
get the kids off to camp, I'll try to write something up.  It is still
a tedious process, but I don't think it's going to be as bad as I
first thought.  I have 800 master sources in my database and tens of
thousands of source details associated with them.  Whew!


Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, Georgia
www.roots2buds.net


On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 4:41 AM, Jenny M Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Dede Holden wrote
>>
>> Based on what Geoff and Dave B have said, I think my source and details
>> were pretty clear cut - no conflicts so everything combined like it was
>> supposed to.
>
> If you did indeed do exactly what you described in your original post, you
> merged the *new* Source into the *old* one.   This does retain the old
> Source Detail.  Presumably what you intended to do is the opposite - old
> into new - and everyone is finding that Source Details are *not* retained in
> the new, merged Source.
>
> Has your newly combined Source got the bullet next to it when you look at
> the Source List?  If not, then you definitely merged new into old.
> --
> Jenny M Benson
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[LegacyUG] Old Source Detail associated with newly Merged Master Sources

[Gail Nestor]

I decided to start a new topic here for this question.  I created a
new master source for a census.  Then I merged an existing master
source used by 5 individuals into the new master source.  The master
source looked good and the source detail does seem to have stayed
attached to the new master.

The problem is that, while I can see the beginning of the "old" detail
on the assigned sources screen, I cannot access it to update it.  When
I click "Edit Detail," the new Source Detail template pops up with
empty fields.  I need a way to get to my old data to show up somewhere
so that I can use it to update the new fields.

Am I missing something else obvious?  Geoff, is this how you are
merging sources or are you creating all the new masters with out
merging the old ones in and then re-creating and attaching all the
detail separately?

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Smyrna, Georgia
www.roots2buds.net



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Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff

[Gail Nestor]

I do feel really silly now for not noticing the scroll bar with the
extra fields, but yes, I think many others might also be fooled by
this.  When I first started to enter a census listing, I did notice
there was no place to type in the family number or the ID of the
person, but I just thought maybe the template wasn't complete somehow.
 I should have had more faith in the Legacy team's attention to
detail!

Somehow my eyes did just glaze over this side scroll bar, so I think
some sort of pop-up would help.  On the other hand, maybe you could
even have the label "Additional Fields Below" underneath the last
field label to help the reader's eyes.  It could be in a different
color or in bold and that should definitely do the trick without
having to create a pop-up box.

Thanks again for these ideas.  I am SO glad you are working on this
part of the new version, Geoff, because I think your work is truly
going to revolutionize the way we do sources.  There will be much more
user interest and uniformity of output because the templates are so
easy to use.  This will inevitably help the whole field of genealogy.

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, Georgia
www.roots2buds.net


On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Geoff Rasmussen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Your experience below has given me what I think could be a good idea. You,
> and others have not noticed that there were more fields to be filled in. In
> our Merging feature, when comparing two individuals, if there are more
> events than will fit on the screen, you can scroll to view them. If you
> attempt to merge the two people without scrolling to see all of the events,
> Legacy pops up a statement saying "You haven't looked at all of the events
> yet. Would you still like to merge the people anyway?"
>
> What do you think about this idea - if you click on the Save button in the
> SourceWriter, but there are more fields that you haven't scrolled down to
> see, Legacy could pop up a statement/question about the additional fields.
> This may prevent us from not noticing the additional fields.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Geoff Rasmussen
> Millennia Corporation
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor
> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 8:01 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for
> Geoff
>
> Thanks Dave!  Man, I know it's getting pretty late bacause I just
> totally missed the scroll bar on my detail screen!  Now it works
> perfectly!!  It's really too bad the fields can't all fit on one page
> because I'll bet you that more people than just me are going to
> overlook this too.  It might be worth it to try to reformat this a
> little in a future update.
>
> Geoff, I apologize for taking up so much of your time on this because
> I know you are very busy with other stuff right now.  I think we will
> all really appreciate the hard work you have put into this source
> writer once we get used to using the input fields.
>
> I still would love it if you could share with us some of the practices
> you have used in converting your sources over.  Do you update a single
> census master source for a single county and then convert all the
> detail associated with that new source, or do you work through all the
> master sources first and then work through the myriad details attached
> to them?  This is just something that I'm sure would benefit many of
> us.  You could sort of bring us along on your learning curve.
>
> Anyway, I can now go to sleep and dream about tomorrow's task ahead of
> me in converting at least some of my census sources.  The output looks
> good to me now!
>
>
> Gail Rich Nestor
> Smyrna, Georgia
> www.roots2buds.net
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff

[Gail Nestor]

Thanks Dave!  Man, I know it's getting pretty late bacause I just
totally missed the scroll bar on my detail screen!  Now it works
perfectly!!  It's really too bad the fields can't all fit on one page
because I'll bet you that more people than just me are going to
overlook this too.  It might be worth it to try to reformat this a
little in a future update.

Geoff, I apologize for taking up so much of your time on this because
I know you are very busy with other stuff right now.  I think we will
all really appreciate the hard work you have put into this source
writer once we get used to using the input fields.

I still would love it if you could share with us some of the practices
you have used in converting your sources over.  Do you update a single
census master source for a single county and then convert all the
detail associated with that new source, or do you work through all the
master sources first and then work through the myriad details attached
to them?  This is just something that I'm sure would benefit many of
us.  You could sort of bring us along on your learning curve.

Anyway, I can now go to sleep and dream about tomorrow's task ahead of
me in converting at least some of my census sources.  The output looks
good to me now!


Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, Georgia
www.roots2buds.net


On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:42 PM, david <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Scroll down and it's there.  See Geoff's right hand red arrow in the
> screenshot
>
>  Regards,
>   Dave (NZ).
>
>
> 
> From: Janis Gilmore
> Sent: Tue 17/06/2008 14:34
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for
> Geoff
>
> Gail,
> You are not going crazy.
> I have had so little time to play with this - just got v7 before going to
> IGHR, and am now on a family trip. When I saw your earlier message, I did
> remember that some other source that I entered DID have an "accessed" date,
> but I had to scroll down to it. I thought perhaps I had missed something in
> the census entry.
> But no. There is not an "accessed" date available for census entry (Federal,
> at any rate).
> I'm sure this is an oversight which will be corrected. In the meantime, I am
> using the usual work-arounds.
> Janis Walker Gilmore
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor
> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 10:23 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for
> Geoff
> OK, now I think I see the issue here.  Either you are selecting a
> different master source type or somehow you are in possession of a
> different/better version of this same template.  My template (when I
> select census records as the source type, followed by > 1) United
> States > 2) Federal Census Records > 3) 1850 population schedule > 4)
> online images) for the master source pops up and I fill it in.
> Then, my Step 3: Add Source Detail screen reads:
> Jurisdiction City
> Roll
> Page
> Dwelling No.
> Family No.
> ID of Person
> Surety Level
> Recorded Date
> File ID
> Am I going crazy here or am I missing something obvious?
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Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff

[Gail Nestor]

OK, now I think I see the issue here.  Either you are selecting a
different master source type or somehow you are in possession of a
different/better version of this same template.  My template (when I
select census records as the source type, followed by > 1) United
States > 2) Federal Census Records > 3) 1850 population schedule > 4)
online images) for the master source pops up and I fill it in.

Then, my Step 3: Add Source Detail screen reads:
Jurisdiction City
Roll
Page
Dwelling No.
Family No.
ID of Person
Surety Level
Recorded Date
File ID

Am I going crazy here or am I missing something obvious?


Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, Georgia
www.roots2buds.net


On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Geoff Rasmussen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gail,
>
> I've created a screenshot for you to review. Look at the image at
> http://www.millenniacorp.com/Geoff/1850.jpg. Note that this is part of the
> source detail, meaning, the screen after you enter the information for the
> Master Source.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Geoff Rasmussen
> Millennia Corporation
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
>
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor
> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 6:45 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for
> Geoff
>
> Well, if I found the 1850 census *online* at Ancestry.com, wouldn't I
> want/need to provide an accessed date for when I found it online?
> There is no place in Legacy within the 1850 US Census (found online)
> template to provide the accessed date.
>
> The EE template for the 1850 US census found online is found on page
> 240 of EE.  The fields shown are as follows:
>
> Census ID: 1850 U. S. Census
> Jurisdiction: Marion County, Iowa
> Schedule: population schedule
> Civil Division: Lake Prairie
> Page ID: p. 290 (stamped)
> Household ID: dwelling 151, family 156
> Person(s): Virgil W. and Wyatt B. Earp
> Item Type or Format: digital image
> Website Title: Ancestry.com [in italics]
> URL (Digital Location): http://www.ancestry.com
> Accessed Date: accessed 16 January 2006
> Credit Line: citing NARA microfilm publication M432, roll 187
>
> Legacy's template for an online census does not contain an "accessed
> date" field as required above.  It only provides a "publish date"
> field, which, unfortunately, does not appear on Legacy's output
> preview for the footnote.
>
> Maybe I am misunderstanding what you mean when you say that you have
> to scroll down for it.  Are you talking about scrolling down through
> the source type list to select a different template than the one I
> have described?
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff

[Gail Nestor]

Well, if I found the 1850 census *online* at Ancestry.com, wouldn't I
want/need to provide an accessed date for when I found it online?
There is no place in Legacy within the 1850 US Census (found online)
template to provide the accessed date.

The EE template for the 1850 US census found online is found on page
240 of EE.  The fields shown are as follows:

Census ID: 1850 U. S. Census
Jurisdiction: Marion County, Iowa
Schedule: population schedule
Civil Division: Lake Prairie
Page ID: p. 290 (stamped)
Household ID: dwelling 151, family 156
Person(s): Virgil W. and Wyatt B. Earp
Item Type or Format: digital image
Website Title: Ancestry.com [in italics]
URL (Digital Location): http://www.ancestry.com
Accessed Date: accessed 16 January 2006
Credit Line: citing NARA microfilm publication M432, roll 187

Legacy's template for an online census does not contain an "accessed
date" field as required above.  It only provides a "publish date"
field, which, unfortunately, does not appear on Legacy's output
preview for the footnote.

Maybe I am misunderstanding what you mean when you say that you have
to scroll down for it.  Are you talking about scrolling down through
the source type list to select a different template than the one I
have described?

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, Georgia
www.roots2buds.net


On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Geoff Rasmussen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gail,
>
> The Recorded Date field is just a field where some people will type in the
> date that they either added the source. I've never used it. The Date
> Accessed field is in the templates for the online sources. To see it you
> might have to scroll down in the list a bit.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Geoff Rasmussen
> Millennia Corporation
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor
> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 12:56 PM
> To: Legacy User Group
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for
> Geoff
>
> Hi Geoff, now I'm a little confused.  On the Master Source Definition
> tab for a census, I see a "publish date" field and I see a "recorded
> date" field down at the botton of the screen in the gray part.
>
> I see that when I type something in the "publish date" field, it shows
> up in the bibliography output (and not beside the accessed date in the
> footnote).  When I type something into the "recorded date" on this
> same screen, it does not seem to affect the output in either place.
>
>
> Now moving on to the source detail screen...
> When I click to edit the source detail, I see a place to enter a
> "recorded" date there as well.  However, this too, seems to have no
> effect on the footnote or bibliography output.
>
> I do not see a "date accessed" field at all on any of the screens.  I
> am specifically looking at a 1920 US Census template.  Maybe it is on
> the others?
>
> Thanks for any explanations to help clear this up for me!
>
> Gail Rich Nestor
> Smyrna, Georgia
> www.roots2buds.net
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Geoff Rasmussen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Gail,
>>
>> The Date Accessed field is actually in the Source Detail screen. You may
> be
>> confusing this with the Publish Date, which is in the master source. The
>> publish date should be the date when the database was published.
>>
>> I actually used to split my census sources at the city level, but am now
>> doing it at the county level because of EE's guidelines.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Geoff Rasmussen
>> Millennia Corporation
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail
> Nestor
>> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:49 PM
>> To: Legacy User Group
>> Subject: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for
>> Geoff
>>
>> Hi, well I've finally had a chance to play around with the source
>> writer a bit and I am very pleased with the overall results!  With my
>> EE book in hand, I have been wading through the templates and starting
>> to make some source conversions.  I'm kind of surprised, though, at
>> one aspect of the US census template.  I know this has been mentioned
>> before in our *very* active list, but I want to revisit the issue to
>> see what the future plans might be.
>>
>> It seems that the formatting for the "accessed date" is set to be
>> input at the master source level, rather t

Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff

[Gail Nestor]

Hi Geoff, now I'm a little confused.  On the Master Source Definition
tab for a census, I see a "publish date" field and I see a "recorded
date" field down at the botton of the screen in the gray part.

I see that when I type something in the "publish date" field, it shows
up in the bibliography output (and not beside the accessed date in the
footnote).  When I type something into the "recorded date" on this
same screen, it does not seem to affect the output in either place.


Now moving on to the source detail screen...
When I click to edit the source detail, I see a place to enter a
"recorded" date there as well.  However, this too, seems to have no
effect on the footnote or bibliography output.

I do not see a "date accessed" field at all on any of the screens.  I
am specifically looking at a 1920 US Census template.  Maybe it is on
the others?

Thanks for any explanations to help clear this up for me!

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, Georgia
www.roots2buds.net


On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Geoff Rasmussen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gail,
>
> The Date Accessed field is actually in the Source Detail screen. You may be
> confusing this with the Publish Date, which is in the master source. The
> publish date should be the date when the database was published.
>
> I actually used to split my census sources at the city level, but am now
> doing it at the county level because of EE's guidelines.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Geoff Rasmussen
> Millennia Corporation
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor
> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:49 PM
> To: Legacy User Group
> Subject: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for
> Geoff
>
> Hi, well I've finally had a chance to play around with the source
> writer a bit and I am very pleased with the overall results!  With my
> EE book in hand, I have been wading through the templates and starting
> to make some source conversions.  I'm kind of surprised, though, at
> one aspect of the US census template.  I know this has been mentioned
> before in our *very* active list, but I want to revisit the issue to
> see what the future plans might be.
>
> It seems that the formatting for the "accessed date" is set to be
> input at the master source level, rather than the citation detail
> level.  For users who lump their census entries by county or by year
> (like myself), then the date will not be applicable for subsequent
> census findings for different families.  If no date is entered in this
> spot, though, the result is an empty space before the closing
> parentheses.
>
> The order of the source output seems to allow for the blending of the
> order of master source components and detail components, so I am not
> sure why we could not give the user the choice of where to include the
> accessed date.
>
> Geoff, how have you been handling this issue with your own data so
> far??  I believe you had stated that you lump master census sources by
> county as well, right?
>
> I am hesitant to convert too many of my census master sources before I
> know how this issue may be addressed.  If I have somehow missed a note
> saying that issue is on a list to be fixed in an upcoming update, I
> apologize for the duplication of notes.
>
> I truly believe this tool is going to help thousands of genealogists
> improve their desire and ability to cite sources more accurately and
> completely!  Kudos to the Legacy team!!
>
> Gail Rich Nestor
> Smyrna, Georgia
> www.roots2buds.net
>
> P.S.  Hi there to all my LUG friends who just got back from IGHR
> (Institute of Genealogy and Historical Research) in Birmingham,
> Alabama!
>
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[LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff

[Gail Nestor]

Hi, well I've finally had a chance to play around with the source
writer a bit and I am very pleased with the overall results!  With my
EE book in hand, I have been wading through the templates and starting
to make some source conversions.  I'm kind of surprised, though, at
one aspect of the US census template.  I know this has been mentioned
before in our *very* active list, but I want to revisit the issue to
see what the future plans might be.

It seems that the formatting for the "accessed date" is set to be
input at the master source level, rather than the citation detail
level.  For users who lump their census entries by county or by year
(like myself), then the date will not be applicable for subsequent
census findings for different families.  If no date is entered in this
spot, though, the result is an empty space before the closing
parentheses.

The order of the source output seems to allow for the blending of the
order of master source components and detail components, so I am not
sure why we could not give the user the choice of where to include the
accessed date.

Geoff, how have you been handling this issue with your own data so
far??  I believe you had stated that you lump master census sources by
county as well, right?

I am hesitant to convert too many of my census master sources before I
know how this issue may be addressed.  If I have somehow missed a note
saying that issue is on a list to be fixed in an upcoming update, I
apologize for the duplication of notes.

I truly believe this tool is going to help thousands of genealogists
improve their desire and ability to cite sources more accurately and
completely!  Kudos to the Legacy team!!

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, Georgia
www.roots2buds.net

P.S.  Hi there to all my LUG friends who just got back from IGHR
(Institute of Genealogy and Historical Research) in Birmingham,
Alabama!



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[LegacyUG] Kudos to Geoff!

[Gail Nestor]

Hi everyone, I couldn't help but copy this message from Elizabeth Shown
Mills to the APG (Associated Professional Genealogists) list last night.  It
sounds like her latest book, _Evidence Explained_ (EE for short), had some
great input and influence from Legacy's own Geoff Rasmussen!

I have renewed confidence that the new sourcing capabilities will be exactly
what the customers need: something easy to use for beginners and something
with as much sophistication as needed by professionals and other serious
genealogists.

Thanks Legacy for taking the time needed to ensure v7 will be something
truly wonderful.  I can't wait to take another serious look at my sources
with a new eye!

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


Elizabeth's message (intermingled with the comments from another APG
member):

>BRAVA Elizabeth.

Thanks, Kathy--and Betty, for posting the GPC announcement. One sentence in
that announcement is important--or at least the last four words of this
snippet from the sentence:

>Mrs. Mills' 2007 publication, the distillation of years of her own and her
colleagues' research experience 

EE would not have been possible without the contributions of *many* from
this list--many who shared their resources, many others who pushed me
outside my comfort zone to learn new materials I did not daily use, and
others who helped with more technical aspects. In addition to all those
mentioned in the acknowledgments, I should add one more--Geoff Rasmussen of
Legacy--who, post-publication, combed the volume with a fresh and
wonderfully critical eye, finding passages to polish before the new printing
went to press last month. No work is ever perfect, but thanks to Geoff's
meticulous effort, the new printing should be--in the words of the late,
great genealogist, Ge Lee Corley Hendrix, CG, FASG--"more better" :).

Thanks, *everybody.*
Elizabeth



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Re: [LegacyUG] Version 7

[Gail Nestor]

This enhancement would be helpful to me too.  I would also like to
have the ability to see "orphan" people (those people not yet
connected to any others) highlighted in a different color than the
blues and reds for men and women.

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On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 6:35 AM, Valerie Garton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am wondering if it will be possible to sort the name list by the
> columns.
>
> For example I would like to be able to sort the birth column so see who
> does not have a birth entry and then who was born in which year.
>
> Then when you have found some inforamtion that interests you sort on the
> place of birth to see who else was born in the same place and then sort
> on other columns to see who else was in the same place.
>
> Yes I know you can create lists by the search method but these are
> static lists.
>
> If this is not going to be possible could others suggest how they cope
> with this now.
>
> Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney.
> Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Belfast, Dublin, Wicklow
> & Wexford
> Guild of One-Name Studies No: 4825 for CULLODEN & HIGGINSON
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Re: [LegacyUG] Location File - US County Verifier

[Gail Nestor]

A great site for all the US counties, their locations, their dates of
formation, and many other facts (such as courthouse fires, etc.) can
be found at http://www.familyhistory101.com/states.html.

All you have to do is click on a state and then click a county name or
hover over an area to see what counties are nearby.  Once you click on
the county of choice, you will have oodles of facts at your
fingertips.  Have fun!

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On Feb 20, 2008 8:09 AM, Jan Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi
> Wonder if someone can help.  It's a little 'off topic' but I've got a
> few relatives in my database from the USA.  I've entered the locations
> but the county verifier states the county didn't exist in a particular
> year i.e. Harvey County, Kansas didn't exist before 1872.  My question
> is this, is there anywhere where I would be able to find what county a
> particular town was in before the 'modern' county was created.  In
> this instance I'm looking for the county for Halstead pre 1872
> Any help would be appreciated
> Jan
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Multiple Sources - same event

[Gail Nestor]

Hi Tim, if I have a copy of an original marriage record or marriage
bond (or one recorded by the court), I usually don't cite a more
derivative source for the same thing (e.g. an Ancestry database).
However, if I also have a pension record which shows the marriage date
and helps to (somewhat) independently corroborate my first source, I
show that one too.  Then there are the cases where the two sources
show different information!  That's where I use an "alternate date"
event and explain my analysis.

The only other derivative sources I really like to use is to cite a
person who is more closely related to a particular line.  If the
individual is not in my direct family line, but is known well by
another researcher, I show them as a source so that other people can
contact them directly for more information on that line.  This shows
up on my web site.  If they cite an original record as support, I
mention that in my citation as well.

These are just a few ideas.  There are no right or wrong answers!

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
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On Jan 21, 2008 12:51 PM, Tim Willis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello Listers,

I just wanted to get an opinion on something.  This afternoon, I hold
in my hand, a computer marriage report print out from a cousin who is
doing much of the same research I am.  For some people in my database,
it will be the only source (not yet verified, but it is a source never
the less), and for others, it is just one more confirmation that
others have the same dates I do.

So, does a good family historian cite the marriage report on top of
all the other (in some cases primary) sources?  It seems if I did this
for every piece of paper I receive from both sides of the family, I
would end up with a confusing mound of sources for.. say.. my parents
marriage!  Or am I being too.. what's the word?

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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Gail Nestor]

Hi John, you're right that microfilm is what holds the paper.
However, I like to consider the microfilm of a record as a separate
source from its original.  There may be subtle differences in the
readability, etc. and I like to differentiate these at the master
source level.

I would also consider an online transcription of a cemetery as a
different source than a photograph I had personally taken during a
personal visit there as I would a photograph of a stone I found online
vs. my own photo.  These differences may all be denoted in the
citation detail instead of the master source, but that was not the
point I was trying to make about sourcing.  It was more of a
computer/data issue.

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On Dec 30, 2007 12:34 PM, John Clare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It would seem to me that the Master source is the Journal-Patriot,
> Wilkesboro, North Carolina, US of A. Microfilm is not a source but a method
> of holding and Wilkes County Community Library is a place not a source. In
> other words, the same Journal will hold the same information if it is held
> on paper  and if it is held in a different place.
> In the reference to the source, you can then hold the specific reference for
> that record. I use it for the Census for instance, giving the Reference in
> the Reference record. They all appear happily when the report is printed. I
> also use it for the Cemetery reference where I have a lot of people buried
> in the same cemetery.
> John Clare
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Re: [LegacyUG] Correcting Source Detail was [Sources]

[Gail Nestor]

Hi Rich, I think you are mistaken, but maybe the Legacy programmers
could set us straight.  I have been known to be wrong a time or two!
:-)

Let's say I have a census master source with detail for a specific
family.  I attach the whole source (master plus detail) to 5 people in
that family.  I still only have that one master source in Legacy, but
I do have 5 separate copies of that citation detail in Legacy's
database.  If I go to John Doe and click on the list of his assigned
sources and then "edit detail" to change "Page" to "page," I still
have to do the same steps to separately fix this detail in the source
entries for the wife and each of the kids.

Doesn't that indicate the "citation detail" is in Legacy separately
for each time it is attached along with the master source?  Legacy
staff - can you please confirm?

Thanks,
Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On Dec 30, 2007 12:51 PM, RICHARD SCHULTHIES <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There seems to be some confusion about how a database
> functions. My example may clear it up. If you add the
> same photo to ten people, you do not now have ten
> photos, but one photo with ten places to be seen. The
> same with the Master Source. It exists only once, no
> matter how many places it is 'attached'. The 'details'
> each exist in only one place, but the Master Source
> may have as many details attached, one for each time
> it is used.  As a splitter by nature, former lumper, I
> found the more specific the type/location combination,
> the easier to avoid duplicating the research
> (Birth/Chicago). And it shows what I am missing
> faster. I am not trying to convince anyone, just
> mentioning the other side. Good luck in all your
> searches, no brick walls.
> Rich in LA CA
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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Gail Nestor]

If only I had a copy of Access!  I used it a long time ago quite
extensively, but I only had it at work.  I would buy a copy now, but
can't justify the cost for just this when I want so purchase so many
other genealogy resources.

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On Dec 30, 2007 3:47 PM, M. Brenzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I had a situation that I found where in some source details I had "page"
> and in others "Page".  I wanted to make them consistent.  Doing it
> through Legacy would have been quite a task.  I opened the database in
> Access, found the correct table, created a query of the source detail
> field, sorted it and was able to make all of my entries consistent.
> Search and Replace was very easy.
>
> I know that this is not something that everyone using Legacy can do,
> whether it is because they don't have Access or don't know really how to
> use it.  But this was a quick fix for me and I am very happy making
> these changes so easily.
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Correcting Source Detail was [Sources]

[Gail Nestor]

Hi Henry, I do totally agree with your last statement!  ;-)  There are
plenty of features I do not use in Legacy, but plenty more that I do
use and love!

Gail


On Dec 30, 2007 8:13 AM, Henry T. Peterson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gail
>
> I have been silent...but, I have a large database with over 108,000
> master sources and growing daily (I am NOT a lumper).  But, I find it
> still less confusing to do it my way.
>
> This is why I think that Legeacy is so great. So everyone can choose
> what is working the best.
>
> Regards
> Henry
>
>
>
> Gail Nestor wrote:
> > Cathy and Ron, I do respect your opinions and you two are my heroes in
> > terms of being very kind and helpful to this list!  You both have made
> > huge contributions to the knowledge contained in this LUG.
> >
> > One last example might help explain my specific dilemma and I know
> > this tool won't help everyone.  It sure would help me though,
> > especially when I go to do massive edits to my sources so I can get
> > them to mirror Mills' _Evidence Explained_ (again, not something
> > everyone wants) once v7 comes out.
> >
> > Let's say I have a census master source with detail for one household
> > containing 10 people.  If I attach the source only to the census event
> > for each person, I already have 10 identical (master plus detail)
> > source combos floating around in Legacy.  Now let's say I decide to
> > attach that same (master plus detail) source to each person's name,
> > birth information, and occupation.  That would be 30 additional copies
> > of the same (master plus detail) source.
> >
> > A while back, I decided to leave all census entries attached only to
> > the census event for each person and that has saved me tons of
> > repetition.  Keep in mind I have literally thousands of census entries
> > for families in my file of almost 7,000.  Each person might have 1-8
> > census entries throughout time (e.g. 1810, 1820, 1830, etc.) depending
> > of his lifespan.
> >
> > A some point, based on Mills' books, I decided not to include the
> > image number from Ancestry.  My master source would include the NARA
> > microfilm series number, the roll number, and then the image number.
> > Because the image number is unique for every census page, it does not
> > lend itself well to the handy search and replace feature.  I could
> > search for "image_" but then I had to manually delete the numbers
> > following this search string.  It took many hours just to amend this
> > part of the citation with only one copy of each census to one
> > individual.  Imagine if each one were multiplied by three additional
> > facts/events!
> >
> > I know we all do sourcing a bit differently, so in some cases this
> > will not help users at all.  However, I do think it will help those
> > who:
> > 1) have medium to large databases,
> > 2) care about sourcing and plan to make citation adjustments as time
> > and experience dictate,
> > 3) lump sources more than split, and
> > 4) want their (master plus detail) sources attached to multiple places
> > frequently.
> >
> > Sorry for the long posts!
> >
> > Gail Rich Nestor
> > Smyrna, GA
> > www.roots2buds.net
> >
> >
> > On Dec 30, 2007 3:24 AM, Cathy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Although I have sympathy with Gail in wanting the source Detail to be
> >> relational as well so there is only one copy of the specific detail
> >> and every use links to that, I have learnt to live with the database as it 
> >> is.
> >>
> >> You can correct typos etc in a specific source detail by using the
> >> Search and Replace on just the right part of the Source/Citation
> >> Detail or Text.
> >>
> >> So long as you carefully enter as the search phrase a unique section
> >> of detail that includes the error and choose to just replace the
> >> found text, all sorts of errors are quickly corrected. No need to
> >> find each individual person. I do it all too often.
> >>
> >> It is harder when the error is less easily uniquely identified in the
> >> search phrase.
> >>
> >> Cathy
> >>
> >> At 02:59 PM 30/12/2007, you wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Gail:
> >>>
> >>> My sourcing method is very similar to yours and I agree that it is a major
> >>> pain when you find a typo in the Source Detail that's been used for 
> >>> perhaps
> >>> 

Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Gail Nestor]

Hi Wynthner, in my specific case, if I split every single obit I found
into its own separate master source, I would have tens of thousands
(if not hundreds of thousands) of individual sources in my files!
That's the "downside" of sourcing everything AND having a
medium-to-large database.

Now let's say I found a typo in the word "Journal" below.  I would
have to go back for every single obit and correct it.  On the other
hand, by "lumping" all articles found in this newspaper into one
master source, I would only have to make one change to the master and
all the individual sources would instantly be fixed.  That's the
beauty of what people refer to as source "lumping."

Also, I can search a specific newspaper (or cemetery, or census year
and county) and very quickly know who all I've found in that paper (or
other master source).  That's, to me, what makes using a database so
powerful!

Hope that all makes sense...

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On Dec 30, 2007 7:52 AM, Wynthner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But.. but... but...
> Can't this exact thing be accomplished by making the master source:
>
> The Journal-Patriot [microfilm], Wilkesboro, North Carolina
> (Wilkes County Community College Library);obituary for John Doe, vol. XXVI, 
> no. 103, Monday, 20 Nov 1933, page 5
>
> and then adding that to his wife and children?
>
> I really fail to see where the number of Master Sources is important to 
> anything as long as I can find them on some sort of list.
>
> Guess I suffer from a very advanced case of spliteritis!
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Gail Nestor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 2:18:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources
>
>
> Hi Ron and others, I know this is a complicated situation to try to
> explain and I think it would mainly benefit those with medium to large
> databases and those who lump (who have a master source with lots of
> details and apply those same details to multiple people, facts, and
> events).  Let me see if an example might help.
>
> I find an obituary for John Doe:
>
> I first create a master source like"
> The Journal-Patriot [microfilm], Wilkesboro, North Carolina
> (Wilkes County Community College Library)
>
> This master source could be the source for several different peoples'
> obits, each of which can apply to many people and/or events.
>
> Now let's say I create a citation detail for one specific article I
> find in this newspaper:
> obituary for John Doe, vol. XXVI, no. 103, Monday, 20 Nov 1933, page 5
>
> I might want to apply this master source and the source detail to John
> Doe's name, birth date, death date, religion, and occupation.  I might
> also want to apply this same "master plus detail" to John Does' wife,
> parents, and children.
>
> I could use Legacy's source template to copy and paste the master plus
> detail combo to all the people and facts.  That would be fine except
> that there would be muliple copies of this exact same master plus
> detail floating around in Legacy's database.  If I needed to make a
> correction to the detail, I would have to "search and replace" the
> erroneous portion in every individual copy of this in Legacy.
>
> If the source plus detail were only entered once in Legacy, I envision this:
> 1) I first select a (previously entered) master source from Legacy
> (like I already would now)
> 2) I then see a drop down box with each previously entered citation
> detail choice:
>
> i.e. obituary for John Doe, vol. XXVI, no. 103, Monday, 20 Nov 1933, page 5
> obituary for Jane Doe, vol. XXVII, no. 112, Monday, 5 May 1942, page 1
> obituary for Baby Doe, vol XXII, no. 74, Monday, 12 February 1921, page 3
>
> 3) I would click the one I wanted or I could add a new one
> 4) I would then click the place to apply the master plus detail (John
> Doe's name, Jane Doe's name, John Doe's place of birth, etc.)
>
>
> The benefit is that you would select the detail to associate with the
> master source and then Legacy would create a link to the entire source
> set (master plus detail).  You would not have identical copies of
> master plus detail like the example below floating around in Legacy
> attached to multiple people and/or events.
>
> The Journal-Patriot [microfilm], Wilkesboro, North Carolina
> (Wilkes County Community College Library), obituary for John Doe, vol.
> XXVI, no. 103, Monday, 20 Nov 1933, page 5
>
> Let's say I have 1 newspaper (one master source) with obituaries for
> 10 different people, each with his own separate citation detail

Re: [LegacyUG] Correcting Source Detail was [Sources]

[Gail Nestor]

Cathy and Ron, I do respect your opinions and you two are my heroes in
terms of being very kind and helpful to this list!  You both have made
huge contributions to the knowledge contained in this LUG.

One last example might help explain my specific dilemma and I know
this tool won't help everyone.  It sure would help me though,
especially when I go to do massive edits to my sources so I can get
them to mirror Mills' _Evidence Explained_ (again, not something
everyone wants) once v7 comes out.

Let's say I have a census master source with detail for one household
containing 10 people.  If I attach the source only to the census event
for each person, I already have 10 identical (master plus detail)
source combos floating around in Legacy.  Now let's say I decide to
attach that same (master plus detail) source to each person's name,
birth information, and occupation.  That would be 30 additional copies
of the same (master plus detail) source.

A while back, I decided to leave all census entries attached only to
the census event for each person and that has saved me tons of
repetition.  Keep in mind I have literally thousands of census entries
for families in my file of almost 7,000.  Each person might have 1-8
census entries throughout time (e.g. 1810, 1820, 1830, etc.) depending
of his lifespan.

A some point, based on Mills' books, I decided not to include the
image number from Ancestry.  My master source would include the NARA
microfilm series number, the roll number, and then the image number.
Because the image number is unique for every census page, it does not
lend itself well to the handy search and replace feature.  I could
search for "image_" but then I had to manually delete the numbers
following this search string.  It took many hours just to amend this
part of the citation with only one copy of each census to one
individual.  Imagine if each one were multiplied by three additional
facts/events!

I know we all do sourcing a bit differently, so in some cases this
will not help users at all.  However, I do think it will help those
who:
1) have medium to large databases,
2) care about sourcing and plan to make citation adjustments as time
and experience dictate,
3) lump sources more than split, and
4) want their (master plus detail) sources attached to multiple places
frequently.

Sorry for the long posts!

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On Dec 30, 2007 3:24 AM, Cathy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Although I have sympathy with Gail in wanting the source Detail to be
> relational as well so there is only one copy of the specific detail
> and every use links to that, I have learnt to live with the database as it is.
>
> You can correct typos etc in a specific source detail by using the
> Search and Replace on just the right part of the Source/Citation
> Detail or Text.
>
> So long as you carefully enter as the search phrase a unique section
> of detail that includes the error and choose to just replace the
> found text, all sorts of errors are quickly corrected. No need to
> find each individual person. I do it all too often.
>
> It is harder when the error is less easily uniquely identified in the
> search phrase.
>
> Cathy
>
> At 02:59 PM 30/12/2007, you wrote:
>
> >Gail:
> >
> >My sourcing method is very similar to yours and I agree that it is a major
> >pain when you find a typo in the Source Detail that's been used for perhaps
> >a dozen different people and in several fields for each person.  It's
> >necessary then to locate and correct every individual instance or you can
> >end up with two versions of the citation in the Source Notes in reports, so
> >if I'm understanding your suggestion correctly it would be a tremendous
> >convenience.
> >
> >What I don't understand is your statement that a given Master Source/Source
> >Detail combination used multiple times results in multiple copies in the
> >database.  If the "combo" is identical, but applied to several different
> >fields and/or individuals, would it not be in the database only once?
> >
> >Either way, being able to make a global change to any given Master
> >Source/Source Detail combination would be absolutely wonderful.  If this is
> >what you're advocating, then I'll certainly add my vote and hope that
> >Millennia is listening!
> >
> >Kirsten
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gail
> >Nestor
> >Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 8:11 AM
> >To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources
> >
> >
> >Hi Michele, you have hit upon a scenario that is exactly why I hope
> >Legacy will conside

Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Gail Nestor]

Hi Ron and others, I know this is a complicated situation to try to
explain and I think it would mainly benefit those with medium to large
databases and those who lump (who have a master source with lots of
details and apply those same details to multiple people, facts, and
events).  Let me see if an example might help.

I find an obituary for John Doe:

I first create a master source like"
The Journal-Patriot [microfilm], Wilkesboro, North Carolina
(Wilkes County Community College Library)

This master source could be the source for several different peoples'
obits, each of which can apply to many people and/or events.

Now let's say I create a citation detail for one specific article I
find in this newspaper:
obituary for John Doe, vol. XXVI, no. 103, Monday, 20 Nov 1933, page 5

I might want to apply this master source and the source detail to John
Doe's name, birth date, death date, religion, and occupation.  I might
also want to apply this same "master plus detail" to John Does' wife,
parents, and children.

I could use Legacy's source template to copy and paste the master plus
detail combo to all the people and facts.  That would be fine except
that there would be muliple copies of this exact same master plus
detail floating around in Legacy's database.  If I needed to make a
correction to the detail, I would have to "search and replace" the
erroneous portion in every individual copy of this in Legacy.

If the source plus detail were only entered once in Legacy, I envision this:
1) I first select a (previously entered) master source from Legacy
(like I already would now)
2) I then see a drop down box with each previously entered citation
detail choice:

i.e. obituary for John Doe, vol. XXVI, no. 103, Monday, 20 Nov 1933, page 5
obituary for Jane Doe, vol. XXVII, no. 112, Monday, 5 May 1942, page 1
obituary for Baby Doe, vol XXII, no. 74, Monday, 12 February 1921, page 3

3) I would click the one I wanted or I could add a new one
4) I would then click the place to apply the master plus detail (John
Doe's name, Jane Doe's name, John Doe's place of birth, etc.)


The benefit is that you would select the detail to associate with the
master source and then Legacy would create a link to the entire source
set (master plus detail).   You would not have identical copies of
master plus detail like the example below floating around in Legacy
attached to multiple people and/or events.

The Journal-Patriot [microfilm], Wilkesboro, North Carolina
(Wilkes County Community College Library), obituary for John Doe, vol.
XXVI, no. 103, Monday, 20 Nov 1933, page 5

Let's say I have 1 newspaper (one master source) with obituaries for
10 different people, each with his own separate citation detail.  That
would lead to 10 different "master plus detail" combos.  Then let's
say I paste one of these 10 souce combos to 5 people and/or events.
That equates to 5 separate source listings in Legacy.  If each "master
plus detail" combos (that is - one newspaper plus one person's
individual obit detail) could be formed so that a link could be
established between it and a person/fact/event, there would only be 1
source listings instead of 5 as above.

I know this sounds convoluted, but I just feel that if I could talk
with a programmer, I could get this to make more sense.  I once had a
project working with electronic invoicing at a prior job and everyone
thought I was crazy until I finally caught the programmers interest
and we ended up saving a ton of time, money, data storage space, and
many less errors.  It's just very complicated to describe in words!

Anyway, sorry for going on about this as I know it doesn't have any
chance of being included with v7.  However, I do think this idea is
worthy of consideration and hope it makes a tiny bit of sense.

Now I'm off to a movie with Mom and sis while hubby watches the kids!...

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On Dec 29, 2007 2:09 PM, ronald ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Gail,
>
> Please forgive me but I do not understand what you are saying. There is one 
> Master Source which (hopefully) does not need changing and then source 
> details which are related to the individual and, therefore, must be changed 
> for each. So , what is the probem? Or is it a problem that only splitters 
> have?
>
> Ron Ferguson
>
>
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>
> > Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:11:27 -0500
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources
> >
> > Hi Michele, you have hit upon a scenario that is exactly why I hope
> > Legacy will consider a change in i

Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Gail Nestor]

Hi Michele, you have hit upon a scenario that is exactly why I hope
Legacy will consider a change in its source formatting.  Your method
is the same as mine for attaching sources to different people and
different facts or events.  Unfortunately, every time we attach a
single source to all these different places, it adds an extra
identical copy of that exact same source in the database.

I wish so much that the source could just be in the database once and
then that same source could be attached as a *link* to all the various
places it needs to go.  It would save so much space and would help
immensely when I find an error I want to correct.  I wouldn't have to
correct 10 duplicate copies.  Instead I would just have the one linked
copy to correct.

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On Dec 29, 2007 9:30 AM, Michele Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here is what I did (and am still doing).  Everything NEW that goes in my
> file gets a source like it is supposed to.  Then, over time, I have been
> going back SLOWLY and adding the sources for everything else.
>
> I started with my paper files.  I have my filing system set up like the
> Family History Library recommends.  I pull one folder at a time and enter
> all the info for that couple.  For example, if I had a death cerificate I
> would add the death certificate info as a source for
> the person's name
> the person's date of birth
> the person's place of birth
> the person's parent's names
> the person's date of death
> the person's date of burial
> the person's place of burial
> the person's last residence
> the person's spouse info
> the person's cause of death
> and anything other info I can glean
>
> It takes a long time but it is worth the effort.  As long as you are adding
> sources for all the NEW info going in your file you can take all the time
> you need to get the rest of your file corrected.  Start with your direct
> line and then go back and work on collateral lines.
>
> Legacy has some built in shortcuts to help with sourcing.  The source
> clipboard is a lifesaver as is the event clipboard.
>
> michele
> - Original Message -
> From: "Hope Bagot Bees" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 5:54 PM
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Sources
>
>
> > Here is a question that I have put-off asking but all this talk of sources
> > makes me ask it.  I have been interested in family history for about 45
> > years and a lot of information is on bits of paper, charts inherited, etc.
> > I have used a number of family history programmes on computer but now use
> > Legacy, having previously used Reunion.  And I now have to admit that
> > virtually nothing is sourced on Legacy!!
> >
> > How can I realistically begin to address this problem with over 3000
> > people in the file?  I have tried to append sources but find it tedious
> > and confusing to fill in the source data and usually just give up.  I do
> > realise that this makes my work sadly inadequate as serious information.
> >
> > Would it be a start to try to get my head around sourcing the non-standard
> > information.  In other words, if the data comes from a standard birth,
> > marriage or death certificate or parish register then leave it un-sourced
> > and concentrate on those bits of information found in other places - for
> > example a local trade directory or Will or Army record?
> >
> > Any advice please?
> >
> > Elizabeth



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Re: [LegacyUG] LEGACY 7

[Gail Nestor]

Just a mention that is does say, "NOTE: Should the release of Legacy
7.0 be delayed, this workshop will be re-scheduled."

Also, is Rick Roberts either a programmer for Legacy or a beta tester?
 (I haven't noticed his name on the JUG postings.)  If not, how is he
going to be able to teach a class on this not-yet-out software?


Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


> Also... http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Calendar2008.asp
>
> "12 January – Provo, Utah. Utah Valley PAF User's Group. After Barry
> Ewell's main presentation of "Digital Photography for Genealogists",
> Millennia's Geoff Rasmussen will teach the following workshop: "The
> New Legacy 7.0".
>
> On Nov 24, 2007 9:36 AM, gen_quest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > It looks as if we will have Legacy 7 before February
> > as there is a course being offered by Global
> > Genealogy!!
> > http://globalgenealogy.com/workshops/index.htm
> >
> > 16 February, 2008 10:00 AM - 4:00 PM (Saturday)
> > LEGACY 7.0 Family Tree Workshop (software), Beginner
> > to advanced
> > Campbellville, Ontario
> > Workshop Leader: Rick Roberts.
> > Enjoy an informative day learning how to get the most
> > out of the time that you spend recording and sharing
> > your family history using Legacy Family Tree 7.0.
> > 35.00 + tax. This workshop contains a significant
> > segment covering introductory and advanced source
> > recording.
> >
> > Christine
>



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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Dropdown Box Idea

[Gail Nestor]

Yes!  This sounds *exactly* like what I want - thanks for the
description Lisa!  This would make the database and analysis SO much
more efficient and effective.  Now, let's cross fingers and toes that
the programmers can do something with it to make it happen.  V7
testers, is it in v7 already??

Thanks,
Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On Dec 7, 2007 2:31 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think what you are asking for is something like Genbox does. IIRC
> (it's been a while) they have a tab in the master source that lets you
> see all the citation details attached to it. Effectively, this means you
> have Master Sources *and* Master Citations - which may add some
> complexity, but accomplishes some really neat things. You can edit
> Citations all in one place (instead of finding and correcting, one by
> one, all the family members using, say, the same census citation
> detail). Using the Find & Replace doesn't always work well for this. It
> also makes it possible to use the "Show List" function on a citation
> detail. This just makes finding and analyzing your work much easier.
>
> Many sources really lend themselves to this two-tiered (Source &
> Citation) master structure in terms of reducing redundancy. The Master
> Source lets you put the general info (XYZ County Wills, for example) in
> only one place, and then put the Citation (Joe Smith Will) in only one
> place. Citations like a person's will are one that may get attached to
> many persons and many events.
>
> Lisa



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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Dropdown Box Idea

[Gail Nestor]

You all have some great ideas, but this is totally not what I am
proposing with sources.  Can we start a separate thread that discusses
the source clipboard and then let this one be for my source linking
idea?

My idea would be sort of like creating a hyperlink for each "total
source output" and then that one hyperlink would connect to whatever
it needs to.  Otherwise, I have the following citation pasted
separately 6 times in my files:

1870 U.S. census, Pike County, Alabama, population schedule, digital
image by subscription, Ancestry.com, (www.ancestry.com), Andrew S.
Riche household, Beat 6, dwelling & family 123, page 14, from National
Archives microfilm M593, roll 37, 17 Mar 2007.

This takes up a lot of space and makes it exponentially more difficult
to correct errors in the source detail.

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On Dec 7, 2007 5:18 AM, Jenny M Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Paul Brown wrote
> >The source clipboard is one of the best 'labour-saving' devices in Legacy.
>
> It is indeed, but it lacks one option which I would find really useful.
> That is the option to add several sources to the clipboard and then
> select which one(s) will actually be pasted.
>
> When I find a new person/family on a Census I will follow up by tracing
> the relevant entries in the Marriage and Birth indexes and will then
> want to cite one or more of these Sources as I add the new information
> to my database.  If I find a man has now married and has a child I will
> be wanting to Source a Census Event for all 3 of them, a Marriage for
> the man, Births for the wife and the child and I also cite the Census as
> a source for the name/age information for the wife and child.  (This is
> to show how I knew who to look for in the Indexes.
>
> I usually find it quicker to add all the Sources to the clipboard, paste
> them all and delete the ones which aren't relevant, but it would be nice
> to be able to select just the ones I want to paste each time.
> --
> Jenny M Benson
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Dropdown Box Idea

[Gail Nestor]

Hi Ron and others,

Ron, I actually do agree with you that we don't need to include the
person's name in the source detail if the source is about that person.
 That is the way _Evidence Explains_ does it in fact.  I just worry
that someone might one day take a source out of context and then not
know who it belonged to.  This is redundant, but it doesn't really
hurt (as long as I am willing to do the keystrokes for it!)

That being said, though, I think we all may have gotten off what I had
hoped was my main point.  We all put different data in the master
source vs. the source detail (i.e. some are lumpers and some are
splitters, etc.).  However, the combination of the master source plus
the source detail is what becomes the eventual *source output*
sentence - the one we would see on a web site or in a printed book.
It is this "total source output" unit that I would like to address
(not what goes into one portion or the other).

Yes, the clipboard is wonderful and I use it religiously.  However, I
would like to *not* have multiple instances of the same "total source
output" all over the database.  I would like to have *one* instance of
it in the file and then link that instance to multiple people.  This
may be similar to what we on this list have previously referred to as
an application of a "witness feature."

Now Ron, it sounds like we have different opinions of what to attach
the "total source output" to.  It sounds like you like to attach it to
one event and not also to birth, death, name, etc. fields.  That is
fine, but you still sometimes attach the same source to multiple
people, right?  For example, a birth certificate could be a source for
the child and for the mother and father.  I find this very useful for
linking the different generations when one source names two or more
generations and their exact relationships.

Yes, the source clipboard really helps in getting the "total source
output" easily copied and pasted to the other people like someone else
mentioned on this thread, but then if I later determine that I have a
typo in my source detail, it is not as easy to correct it.  Yes, I can
usually just do a simple search and replace (believe me - I have
seriously used this great feature!).  However, when I literally have
thousands of census citations where I have later decided to not
include the roll number, it is WAY time-consuming to delete "roll X"
(where X varies for each census page) from these thousands of exact
duplicate sources.  Therefore, a search and replace only works for all
the copies of that one roll number.

With the "linked sources," we would still have to correct every
instance of each roll number.  However, we would also not have to edit
*five to ten* duplicate copies of that one roll number!  This mainly
applies to those who, like me, have fairly large databases.  Mine has
approximately 7,000 individuals and the vast majority have census data
for them.  For a census, I copy the same "total source output" to
everyone in the whole family.  Not everyone may do this, but I feel
that it presents better on my web site when someone looks up their own
great grandma, they don't want to have to look around on other pages
to see all the details of her life.  It's most helpful to have it all
right there on her own page (in my opinion).

I'm not sure if this helps explain, but I wanted to try!  V7 may
already have this, but I somehow am skeptical.  Renee or someone who
saw the sneak peek - can you give me a little hope?

Thanks for reading...

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On Dec 6, 2007 5:21 PM, ronald ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Gail,
>
> I gave never managed to work out why one might wish to put the name of a 
> person in the Source Details.
>
> As I see it the source is attached to an event, the event is attached to an 
> individual, so I have the individuals name. When I wish to see a source for 
> that individual I go to that event and bring up the source.
>
> I cannot see what I am missing so would be grateful for an explanation. The 
> only thing I put in Source Details are details relating to a source eg 
> cemetery name, address, grave number and possibly where I got the information 
> from if it's not in the Master Source (I'm a lumper)
>
> Ron Ferguson
>


> > Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:14:04 -0500
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> > Subject: [LegacyUG] Source Dropdown Box Idea
>
> >
> > Hi Legacy Users and Support Team,
> >
> > I have an idea for sourcing that would make my life a whole lot easier
> > if we could implement it. I'll try to explain it using an example.
> >
> > Let's say you have an existing master source and you want to add
> > source detail to it. It would be great if you could access a dropdown
> > box that showed you all the other source detail entries already
> > connected to that master source.
> >
> > Master Source: Cemetery A (along with all the relevant master source
> > details: the 

[LegacyUG] Source Dropdown Box Idea

[Gail Nestor]

Hi Legacy Users and Support Team,

I have an idea for sourcing that would make my life a whole lot easier
if we could implement it.  I'll try to explain it using an example.

Let's say you have an existing master source and you want to add
source detail to it.  It would be great if you could access a dropdown
box that showed you all the other source detail entries already
connected to that master source.

Master Source: Cemetery A (along with all the relevant master source
details: the URL, city and state, etc)

When you click on the master source, you would be presented with any
existing source details already used elsewhere.  For example:
Source detail options:
tombstone entry for John Doe (with all other details such as accessed
date, transcription, etc.)
tombstone entry for Jane Doe
tombstone photograph for Ralph Doe

You could then just click one of the available choices and finally
attach that where it needs to be (to a person, fact, or event).

Often, a tombstone transcription needs to be attached in three places
(name, birth date, death date) for each person.  It is so wasteful to
have the exact same master source and source detail combination in the
database as three separate entries for a single person.  It would be
much more efficient (and easier to find and correct mistakes) to have
a single source (master plus detail) linked in three (or more places)
to various people and/or facts and/or events.

For example, there would be one instance of "Cemetery A, tombstone
entry for John Doe" and it would be linked three times to various
places.  This is especially important for those millions of census
entries that have to be linked to every member of the household.  I
finally stopped linking them to several places and instead just linked
them to the one census event for each person.  That has saved a lot of
space considering I have literally thousands on individual census
entries.

I may be asking for the impossible, but this linking concept could
sure prove handy!

-- 
Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, Georgia
www.roots2buds.net



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Re: [LegacyUG] How would you source this in Legacy?

[Gail Nestor]

Hi Michele, I have several cemetery entries from interment.net.  I do
create a separate source for each cemetery I use.  It just makes
searches within a cemetery easier for me.  Here is the link to one
page of my source lists:
http://www.roots2buds.net/browsesources.php?sourcesearch=&offset=100&tree=&page=3.

If you click on a person linked to one of these sources (choose one
from ID S819, for example), you can then scroll down on the
individual's page and see what the source output looks like.  Here's
one example from the S819 source:

"Greenwood Cemetery [Panama City, Bay County, Florida]," database,
Interment.net, (http://www.interment.net/data/us/fl/bay/greenwood/),
grave marker listing for Forrest Elijah Rich, Sr., contributed 4 Jun
2001 by Janet and Dan Steadham.

This is not completely compliant with _Evidence Explained_, but I am
hoping v7 will help with this.  If it were compliant, I would need to
have a colon after the URL, followed by "accessed 6 December 2007."

I do list the repository as the main web site and include a link.
This is just one example of how to cite this source.  I may do things
a little differently after v7 comes out.

Hope this helps a little!

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On Dec 6, 2007 12:14 PM, Michele Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I want to source a cemetery survey.  I am not sure what all I need to
> include in the source window.  Since I am a lumper :) I am thinking my
> source will be Cemetery Survey and then put the rest in the details.
>
> I have the name, email address and the date the cemetery was surveyed.  Do
> you think I need to also include the URL?  (it is posted on Interment.com)
>
> michele



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Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Discussion Group?

[Gail Nestor]

I would really like the link to this group too, if one exists.  This
would be a great group to have.  Maybe ES Mills would even join it!
:-)

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net

P.S.  I've been holding off on additional sourcing discussions and
work in anticipation of v7.  It may make many of our
questions/suggestions obsolete (and/or open up whole new cans of
worms).


On 9/5/07, Rob Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Someone recently mentioned that there was a discussion group about sourcing.
> I've tried searching the Archives, but I'm obviously not coming up with the
> right key words.
>
> Could you please privately send me the URL or name of the group?
>
> Many thanks!
>
> Rob
>
>
> Rob Miller
> Toronto, Ontario



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Re: [LegacyUG] Bibliography Leg v 6.0.0.155

[Gail Nestor]

Hi Pat, I think (and hope) the full/formal bibliography feature will
be coming with v7, so help will be on the way.  With v6, though, there
is no way I have found to do a formal bibliography other than
exporting the data to an external program and working on it there.

It would be great if the new sourcing templates allowed you to sort
first by "source type."  For now, I use the Source List Name field
(the one not printed in the output) to list a source type first and
then give a name for it.  However, the source lists still prints with
comma as separators instead of periods and does not sort the way a
standard bibliography would.

The term "source type" can also be confusing.  Would that be book vs.
media, original court record vs. microfilm at archives, etc?  We
almost need two fields, one for media type and another for source
type.  Sometimes I have two distinct sources in Legacy for a single
cemetery: one for the photo I took while visiting and another for the
entries I found in an online database at the same cemetery (when I
forgot to take the photo during the visit).  To me, they are the same
source type (i.e. cemetery), but different media types (visit or photo
vs. database).

This whole discussion may not be needed for long, though, with v7
coming out some time this year.

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On 9/11/07, Pat Hickin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is a pretty elementary question, but I don't seem to be able to find
> the answer.
>
> In Legacy 6.0.0.155, in our list of sources, the present format begins with
> a sort of nickname for the source. (no prescribed format)
>
> The sources are grouped in alphabetical order by this "nickname."
>
> That is, the sources are not grouped by type; and then alphabetized by
> author's last name (to grossly over-simplify), as would typically be the
> case.
>
> So my question is how DO I get to a view of sources in a standard form -- in
> other words, how do I see what the bibliography will look like (I
> assuming entries WILL be in a standard form) if I do a Legacy "book"?
>
> Does this make sense?  I'm afraid I'm overlooking something that is VERY
> obvious to everybody else!!
> --
> Pat
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources that are non event specific

[Gail Nestor]

Tim, for any general sources that just give a name or are very general
(like a mention of an ancestor's name in a book), I just attach that
source to their name field.  Then, I type the relevant text of the
book into the source notes so I can re-read it later if needed.

If I have something longer, like a mini-biography or a long letter, I
may split it off into its own event.  I might call the event
"mini-biography" or "letter" and type the text into the event notes.
Then I create the source and attach it to this event.

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On 9/10/07, Tim Willis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thanks to all who responded.  Ron, your response brings up an interesting
> question.  In some of these letters, a person refers to my gr gr grandmother
> as 'cousin'.  As of yet, I do not know how this person is a cousin, I just
> have his name, and the letter.  But even if I really did know how he fit in,
> how would I source that sort of relationship?  Hmmm, would this be a
> candidate for a witness feature??
>
> I was thinking the only thing I could do is refer to the letter in my
> research notes.  Any other ideas?
>
> Tim
> - Original Message 
> From: ronald ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 5:27:02 AM
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sources that are non event specific
>
> Tim,
>
> If they don't give any other information they do confirm the relationship,
> so could be a source for the relationship event.
>
> Ron Ferguson
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy v7 - Sources based on _Evidence_ by Mills

[Gail Nestor]

I sort of think that some might be missing part of my point.  I made
not have made it very clear in my earlier note and if so, I apologize.
 I'm actually asking for much *more* flexibility with source citation
than we currently have.   Right now, the output order, format, etc. is
totally set and you cannot change it to suit your needs.  The author
goes in one spot, the title in another, and the publication facts in
their own.  There can be no blending of master source fields with
citation detail fields in the output from v6.  I'm asking for and
hoping for much more flexibility in v7 to create whatever output order
I want (Mills style or not).

Although Geoff's interview highlighted the templates as a way to take
out the guesswork with sources and make them standardized, I do
believe the new source templates (and ability to create one's own
custom template) will give this much-needed flexibility, yet not force
everyone to start with a blank piece of paper if they don't want to.

I do respect everyone's desire to do sources their own way and don't
want to push one method over another.

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net



On 8/27/07, Don Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ron
> I have to agree with you. I do not want Ms. Mills or anyone telling me how
> and what I must have in my sources and citations. Legacy has always allowed
> us to enter and format everything that is needed to properly state where
> your information comes from.
>
> Don Brown
> Orangeville, Ontario, Canada
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ronald
> ferguson
> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 3:46 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy v7 - Sources based on _Evidence_ by Mills
>
>
> Gail,
>
> Whilst have no feeling one way or the other about Legacy accomodating a
> format compatible with Mills's latest output, I would hope that it will
> maintain the flexibility that has characterised the program.
>
> One of the strengths of Legacy is the way in which it can be used to suit
> different countries, cultures and individual ways of working and in my
> opinion it would be most regrettable if this is sacrificed on the altar of
> standardisation. In particular I have no wish whatsoever to have to redo all
>
> my web pages because of a change in the format of sources, or anything else
> for that matter.
>
> Ron Ferguson
>
>
>
> _
>
> For Genealogy, Software and Social visit:
> http://www.fergys.co.uk
> *Over 650 Surnames from 11 Countries*
> View the Grimshaw Family Tree at:
> http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/
> For The Fergusons of N.W. England See:
> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
> _
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Gail Nestor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> >To: "Legacy User Group" 
> >Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy v7 - Sources based on _Evidence_ by Mills
> >Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:30:01 -0400
> >
> >Hi user group and Legacy staff, I listened to Geoff's interview with
> >Dear Myrt and carefully read Renee Zamora's blog entries about the v7
> >Sneak Peek.  All the information on sources and bibliography creation
> >sound very promising!
> >
> >I know that _Evidence Explained_ just came out this month, but I truly
> >hope that the powers that be will make sure the v7 source template
> >incorporates as much of this second book as possible.  There is so
> >much more information here and the source components are carefully
> >described and laid out.  Mills' first book certainly still stands on
> >its own merit, but the new book expands to many other types of sources
> >and does justice to all the online resources people use more often
> >these days.
> >
> >Renees' post said that there will be bibliography output capability
> >and I really look forward to this.  The formatting is different
> >between a footnote and a bibliography.  While v6 will provide a master
> >source list, it does not put the components in bibliography format,
> >which has periods instead of commas and does not include the citation
> >detail.
> >
> >I'm seeing the need to break the author field into first and last name
> >so that the bibliography can sort by author's last name.  I'm sure
> >this is all part of migrating one's sources over to the v7 format.  I
> >just want to make sure every effort is made to pull as much from
>

Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy v7 - Sources based on _Evidence_ by Mills

[Gail Nestor]

Hi Ron, don't get me wrong - I'm all for flexibility!  I would
definitely not want that sacrificed either.  As much as Ms. Mills has
tried to bring a bit of standardization to sourcing, she even freely
admits that it is an art as much as a science.

I still grapple with sources and all of mine seem to still be
different than the ones in 885 pages of her book!!  My main goal,
before having "the perfect format," truly is to just ensure I and
others can find/retrace my research steps.

I also grapple with the sometimes competing needs of database
efficiencies vs. formatting for possible later written publication.
I'm still aiming to do both, but it's a hard road.

My hopes for Legacy v7 are just things like needing to split the
author name input into two fields so that a report could print first
name first (for footnotes) or last name first (for bibliographies).  I
definitely do not want to be limited with the templates and am hopeful
that Renee was right when she said we could create our own templates.
I'm sure I'll be hand-crafting a few.

My final thought is that I don't want to come across as a sourcing
snob - a sourcing nerd maybe! - but not a snob.  As long as I can
follow someone's footnote to its source, I will never be the one to
say the format is not good!  I still feel like a total novice with all
of this and I'm just striving to do a good job for my two little
descendants and their future descendants.

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On 8/27/07, ronald ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Gail,
>
> Whilst have no feeling one way or the other about Legacy accomodating a
> format compatible with Mills's latest output, I would hope that it will
> maintain the flexibility that has characterised the program.
>
> One of the strengths of Legacy is the way in which it can be used to suit
> different countries, cultures and individual ways of working and in my
> opinion it would be most regrettable if this is sacrificed on the altar of
> standardisation. In particular I have no wish whatsoever to have to redo all
> my web pages because of a change in the format of sources, or anything else
> for that matter.
>
> Ron Ferguson
>
>
>
> _
>
> For Genealogy, Software and Social visit:
> http://www.fergys.co.uk
> *Over 650 Surnames from 11 Countries*
> View the Grimshaw Family Tree at:
> http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/
> For The Fergusons of N.W. England See:
> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
> _
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Gail Nestor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> >To: "Legacy User Group" 
> >Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy v7 - Sources based on _Evidence_ by Mills
> >Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:30:01 -0400
> >
> >Hi user group and Legacy staff, I listened to Geoff's interview with
> >Dear Myrt and carefully read Renee Zamora's blog entries about the v7
> >Sneak Peek.  All the information on sources and bibliography creation
> >sound very promising!
> >
> >I know that _Evidence Explained_ just came out this month, but I truly
> >hope that the powers that be will make sure the v7 source template
> >incorporates as much of this second book as possible.  There is so
> >much more information here and the source components are carefully
> >described and laid out.  Mills' first book certainly still stands on
> >its own merit, but the new book expands to many other types of sources
> >and does justice to all the online resources people use more often
> >these days.
> >
> >Renees' post said that there will be bibliography output capability
> >and I really look forward to this.  The formatting is different
> >between a footnote and a bibliography.  While v6 will provide a master
> >source list, it does not put the components in bibliography format,
> >which has periods instead of commas and does not include the citation
> >detail.
> >
> >I'm seeing the need to break the author field into first and last name
> >so that the bibliography can sort by author's last name.  I'm sure
> >this is all part of migrating one's sources over to the v7 format.  I
> >just want to make sure every effort is made to pull as much from
> >_Evidence Explained_ as possible because it is such a great resource.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >--
> >Gail Rich Nestor
> >Smyrna, Georgia
> >www.roots2buds.net
>
> _
> The next generation of 

[LegacyUG] Legacy v7 - Sources based on _Evidence_ by Mills

[Gail Nestor]

Hi user group and Legacy staff, I listened to Geoff's interview with
Dear Myrt and carefully read Renee Zamora's blog entries about the v7
Sneak Peek.  All the information on sources and bibliography creation
sound very promising!

I know that _Evidence Explained_ just came out this month, but I truly
hope that the powers that be will make sure the v7 source template
incorporates as much of this second book as possible.  There is so
much more information here and the source components are carefully
described and laid out.  Mills' first book certainly still stands on
its own merit, but the new book expands to many other types of sources
and does justice to all the online resources people use more often
these days.

Renees' post said that there will be bibliography output capability
and I really look forward to this.  The formatting is different
between a footnote and a bibliography.  While v6 will provide a master
source list, it does not put the components in bibliography format,
which has periods instead of commas and does not include the citation
detail.

I'm seeing the need to break the author field into first and last name
so that the bibliography can sort by author's last name.  I'm sure
this is all part of migrating one's sources over to the v7 format.  I
just want to make sure every effort is made to pull as much from
_Evidence Explained_ as possible because it is such a great resource.

Thanks,
-- 
Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, Georgia
www.roots2buds.net


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Re: [LegacyUG] More Lumping and Splitting (for Gail)

[Gail Nestor]

Hi Mitch, I'm so glad you liked the site!  It really works well with Legacy!

I think you should be able to handle the basic installation and one of
the web hosts will even set it up for you.  Customization of colors
and menu items takes a little more skill, but 1) the programmer is
excellent with providing help, 2) the TNG user list is comprised of
skilled and helpful individuals, and 3) it sounds like your son can
help as needed.

Give it a try and I think you'll be pleased.  Good luck!

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On 8/22/07, Mitch Mackrory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gail,
>
> I want to create a web page and believe TNG is the best way to go.  I
> have a son who creates web pages for a living and he is happy to help,
> but I'd rather do it myself.  Do I need his help?  I know a little
> more than zero (or zero) about web page creation.
>
> BTW, your web site was the one that finally made me move on this - it
> is VERY good. Congratulations!
>
> Thanks, Mitch
>
> On 8/22/07, Gail Nestor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi Anne, isn't that cool?  I can't take credit though.  My TNG web
> > site creation software does all that source linking for me.  The
> > Google Maps are also a new feature of TNG.  I had to code all my
> > locations and then the maps just appeared on each person's page.  The
> > google maps tool is so useful!
> >
> > Gail Rich Nestor
> > Smyrna, GA
> > www.roots2buds.net
> >
> >
> > On 8/21/07, The Eccles Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Wow Gail, I have just checked out your website and it is amazing.
> > > I like how everything links up. Firstly I looked at how you have your
> > > sources and randomly clicked on a person who was linked to the source. 
> > > Then
> > > when looking at the events again clicked on the little green number and 
> > > was
> > > taken back to the source.
> > > Also how did you include the map from google that shows user defined 
> > > makers?
> > > That was most interesting.
> > > Regards
> > > Anne
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 10:01 AM
> > > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> > > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] More Lumping and Splitting (for Gail)
> > >
> > > Hi Denise, my paper system pretty much follows the same pattern.  I
> > > have eight 2-inch 3-ring binders so far: 4 for each of my grandparents
> > > and 4 for my husband's.  Each binder starts with a grandparent and
> > > goes upward to each of their known ancestors.  I start off with their
> > > family tree and then I have an index page which lists each ancestor in
> > > the binder and all the documents I have for that ancestor in date
> > > order.  There is a divider tab for each ancestor.  Then I have each
> > > document in an archival sheet protector and labelled with its source.
> > >
> > > I don't fill in my FileID numbers in Legacy at all.  The numbers you
> > > see on the web site are the numbers Legacy assigns each source
> > > automatically and I don't use them for anything.
> > >
> > > As for help with the scanner, I recommend calling the manufacturer.  I
> > > had a problem a while back and they walked me right through it.  I
> > > have a 4-year old Epson Perfection scanner and have put it to very
> > > good use!
> > >
> > > Hope this helps!
> > >
> > > Gail Rich Nestor
> > > Smyrna, GA
> > > www.roots2buds.net
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/21/07, Denise Levenick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Thanks Gail for describing your filing system. Your electronic system
> > > sounds
> > > > pretty logical; does your paper system follow the same format? Do you
> > > > include the Legacy FileID for another purpose or is it just "there"?
> > > >
> > > > I am having a lot of trouble scanning documents. I don't know if my
> > > scanner
> > > > is dying or I don't have the settings correct. Letters are illegible and
> > > > very faint and color or b/w photos come out with little lines across 
> > > > them.
> > > > Maybe some LUG user can offer an idea.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, Denise
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
>

Re: [LegacyUG] More Lumping and Splitting

[Gail Nestor]

Oops, sorry - I meant to say, "that's a clever little trick!"  I hate
to see my own typos!

Gail

On 8/22/07, Gail Nestor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Hi Lisa, that a clever little trick! 


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Re: [LegacyUG] More Lumping and Splitting

[Gail Nestor]

Hi Lisa, that a clever little trick!  However, you're right about
effect on the sort order.  I think I'm just going to leave these as is
until v7 comes out and then make a final decision once I see if the
templates are going to allow the Source List Name to be suppressed.
Maybe there will be some other way to get around this.

I am a little hesitant about the Legacy source templates unless they
follow the newest Evidence book because the new one has a lot more
information and templates for electronic and other non-book sources.
Allowing the user to create their own templates in v7 will be good as
long as components of master and detail can be intermixed for the
final output.  I keep harping on this point because this is the whole
key to the sourcing issue.

Thanks again for this suggestion and I will keep it in mind!

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net



On 8/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> One bandaid you can try is to put the Source List Name, Author, and
> Title, etc. in [[double brackets]]. That seems to get the effect you
> want, although it changes the sort order of your master sources (the
> double brackets sort first). I tried just double bracketing the
> Author/Title, but then the Source List Name printed, even though in
> Customize and deselected the checkbox to include Source List Names.
>
> Lisa
>
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:42:29 -0400, "Gail Nestor"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > Again, in v7 I hope we will be able to mix components of the master
> > source with the citation detail in printing our source output - or -
> > that we will be able to suppress the printing of the Source List Name
> > when there is no master source title.  Here's an example of when this
> > applies...
> >
> > For all personal correspondence (i.e. interview, phone conversation,
> > e-mail, letter), I create a single master source called Personal
> > Correspondence.  I could create a separate master source for each
> > person who has supplied information, but decided to stick with my
> > lumping methods.
> >
> > The citation details really contain all the information that I would
> > include in the output, so there is no need to pull any data from the
> > master source.  The master source serves only as an umbrella to keep
> > all such correspondence together.  I can view a report on this source
> > to ensure each citation under it is formatted consistently.
> >
> > I may have to rethink this source and resort to having them all split
> > out.  However, I will wait to see what v7 offers that might help with
> > this.
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] More Lumping and Splitting (for Gail)

[Gail Nestor]

Hi Anne, isn't that cool?  I can't take credit though.  My TNG web
site creation software does all that source linking for me.  The
Google Maps are also a new feature of TNG.  I had to code all my
locations and then the maps just appeared on each person's page.  The
google maps tool is so useful!

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On 8/21/07, The Eccles Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Wow Gail, I have just checked out your website and it is amazing.
> I like how everything links up. Firstly I looked at how you have your
> sources and randomly clicked on a person who was linked to the source. Then
> when looking at the events again clicked on the little green number and was
> taken back to the source.
> Also how did you include the map from google that shows user defined makers?
> That was most interesting.
> Regards
> Anne
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 10:01 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] More Lumping and Splitting (for Gail)
>
> Hi Denise, my paper system pretty much follows the same pattern.  I
> have eight 2-inch 3-ring binders so far: 4 for each of my grandparents
> and 4 for my husband's.  Each binder starts with a grandparent and
> goes upward to each of their known ancestors.  I start off with their
> family tree and then I have an index page which lists each ancestor in
> the binder and all the documents I have for that ancestor in date
> order.  There is a divider tab for each ancestor.  Then I have each
> document in an archival sheet protector and labelled with its source.
>
> I don't fill in my FileID numbers in Legacy at all.  The numbers you
> see on the web site are the numbers Legacy assigns each source
> automatically and I don't use them for anything.
>
> As for help with the scanner, I recommend calling the manufacturer.  I
> had a problem a while back and they walked me right through it.  I
> have a 4-year old Epson Perfection scanner and have put it to very
> good use!
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Gail Rich Nestor
> Smyrna, GA
> www.roots2buds.net
>
>
> On 8/21/07, Denise Levenick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Thanks Gail for describing your filing system. Your electronic system
> sounds
> > pretty logical; does your paper system follow the same format? Do you
> > include the Legacy FileID for another purpose or is it just "there"?
> >
> > I am having a lot of trouble scanning documents. I don't know if my
> scanner
> > is dying or I don't have the settings correct. Letters are illegible and
> > very faint and color or b/w photos come out with little lines across them.
> > Maybe some LUG user can offer an idea.
> >
> > Thanks, Denise
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail
> Nestor
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 8:01 AM
> > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] More Lumping and Splitting (for Gail)
> >
> > Hi Denise, I'm glad the source list was helpful!  I kind of enjoyed
> > seeing the breakout too.  Believe it or not I don't even use those
> > fileID numbers in Legacy.  My electronic filing system is a bit odd,
> > but it really works for me.
> >
> > Everything I have in hard copy is scanned in and many items that I
> > photographed with a digital camera (like deed book pages and such) are
> > already in my computer upon upload.
> >
> > I use my computer's file management system (AKA Windows Explorer to
> > those familiar with that term) to organize.  For sources related to my
> > direct lines, I have an electronic folder for each surname, and a
> > folder within that one for each ancestor's name.  Then, for each
> > source, I name them starting with a date (-MM-DD), followed by the
> > last and first name (in case the file is used outside of the folder
> > for anything), and then the item description (i.e. will-a144, will
> > a145 - for pages from a will book).
> >
> > For census records and others that affect more than one family, I
> > always file these with head of household (or person if they are living
> > in a boarding house or something).  For marriage records, I file them
> > in a separate folder with the husband-wife last names hyphenated.  I
> > also use this folder for family photos and such.  I only keep
> > electronic copies of my direct line census findings.  For the rest, I
> > can easily look them up

Re: [LegacyUG] More Lumping and Splitting (for Gail)

[Gail Nestor]

Hi Denise, my paper system pretty much follows the same pattern.  I
have eight 2-inch 3-ring binders so far: 4 for each of my grandparents
and 4 for my husband's.  Each binder starts with a grandparent and
goes upward to each of their known ancestors.  I start off with their
family tree and then I have an index page which lists each ancestor in
the binder and all the documents I have for that ancestor in date
order.  There is a divider tab for each ancestor.  Then I have each
document in an archival sheet protector and labelled with its source.

I don't fill in my FileID numbers in Legacy at all.  The numbers you
see on the web site are the numbers Legacy assigns each source
automatically and I don't use them for anything.

As for help with the scanner, I recommend calling the manufacturer.  I
had a problem a while back and they walked me right through it.  I
have a 4-year old Epson Perfection scanner and have put it to very
good use!

Hope this helps!

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On 8/21/07, Denise Levenick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks Gail for describing your filing system. Your electronic system sounds
> pretty logical; does your paper system follow the same format? Do you
> include the Legacy FileID for another purpose or is it just "there"?
>
> I am having a lot of trouble scanning documents. I don't know if my scanner
> is dying or I don't have the settings correct. Letters are illegible and
> very faint and color or b/w photos come out with little lines across them.
> Maybe some LUG user can offer an idea.
>
> Thanks, Denise
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor
> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 8:01 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] More Lumping and Splitting (for Gail)
>
> Hi Denise, I'm glad the source list was helpful!  I kind of enjoyed
> seeing the breakout too.  Believe it or not I don't even use those
> fileID numbers in Legacy.  My electronic filing system is a bit odd,
> but it really works for me.
>
> Everything I have in hard copy is scanned in and many items that I
> photographed with a digital camera (like deed book pages and such) are
> already in my computer upon upload.
>
> I use my computer's file management system (AKA Windows Explorer to
> those familiar with that term) to organize.  For sources related to my
> direct lines, I have an electronic folder for each surname, and a
> folder within that one for each ancestor's name.  Then, for each
> source, I name them starting with a date (-MM-DD), followed by the
> last and first name (in case the file is used outside of the folder
> for anything), and then the item description (i.e. will-a144, will
> a145 - for pages from a will book).
>
> For census records and others that affect more than one family, I
> always file these with head of household (or person if they are living
> in a boarding house or something).  For marriage records, I file them
> in a separate folder with the husband-wife last names hyphenated.  I
> also use this folder for family photos and such.  I only keep
> electronic copies of my direct line census findings.  For the rest, I
> can easily look them up again in Ancestry (as long as I keep my
> subscription!).  Plus all are abstracted in Legacy events.
>
> Then, I have an indirect lines folder which has three sub-folders:
> photos, documents, obituaries, and cemeteries.  In these folders, I
> have them filed by surname.  In the cemeteries main folder I have
> subfolders for state, sub-subs for county and for cemetery.  The
> individual stone shots are in these.
>
> This probably sounds very convoluted, but I have never lost anything
> and it's very easy to get what I need.  My paper filing system is a
> little different, but it works well for me too without the fileID
> numbers.  Everyone has different filing needs.  I just worked out this
> one to suit my purposes and have liked it.
>
> Sorry for all the many lengthy posts today!  I am now caught up with
> my LUG notes (for the moment!!).
>
> Gail Rich Nestor
> Smyrna, GA
> www.roots2buds.net
>
>
> On 8/21/07, Denise Levenick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Gail, I too found your source list very helpful. Thanks for sharing the
> > link. How do you use the FileID number? Is this where you file a photocopy
> > of the original?
> >
> > I have mostly original documents and an old photocopier. Do you feel it
> > might be risky to just file originals (archived and safe) and refer to
> them
> > in my FileID?
> >
> > Denise Levenick
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL P

Re: [LegacyUG] More Lumping and Splitting (for Gail)

[Gail Nestor]

Hi Denise, I'm glad the source list was helpful!  I kind of enjoyed
seeing the breakout too.  Believe it or not I don't even use those
fileID numbers in Legacy.  My electronic filing system is a bit odd,
but it really works for me.

Everything I have in hard copy is scanned in and many items that I
photographed with a digital camera (like deed book pages and such) are
already in my computer upon upload.

I use my computer's file management system (AKA Windows Explorer to
those familiar with that term) to organize.  For sources related to my
direct lines, I have an electronic folder for each surname, and a
folder within that one for each ancestor's name.  Then, for each
source, I name them starting with a date (-MM-DD), followed by the
last and first name (in case the file is used outside of the folder
for anything), and then the item description (i.e. will-a144, will
a145 - for pages from a will book).

For census records and others that affect more than one family, I
always file these with head of household (or person if they are living
in a boarding house or something).  For marriage records, I file them
in a separate folder with the husband-wife last names hyphenated.  I
also use this folder for family photos and such.  I only keep
electronic copies of my direct line census findings.  For the rest, I
can easily look them up again in Ancestry (as long as I keep my
subscription!).  Plus all are abstracted in Legacy events.

Then, I have an indirect lines folder which has three sub-folders:
photos, documents, obituaries, and cemeteries.  In these folders, I
have them filed by surname.  In the cemeteries main folder I have
subfolders for state, sub-subs for county and for cemetery.  The
individual stone shots are in these.

This probably sounds very convoluted, but I have never lost anything
and it's very easy to get what I need.  My paper filing system is a
little different, but it works well for me too without the fileID
numbers.  Everyone has different filing needs.  I just worked out this
one to suit my purposes and have liked it.

Sorry for all the many lengthy posts today!  I am now caught up with
my LUG notes (for the moment!!).

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On 8/21/07, Denise Levenick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gail, I too found your source list very helpful. Thanks for sharing the
> link. How do you use the FileID number? Is this where you file a photocopy
> of the original?
>
> I have mostly original documents and an old photocopier. Do you feel it
> might be risky to just file originals (archived and safe) and refer to them
> in my FileID?
>
> Denise Levenick
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor
> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 4:10 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] More Lumping and Splitting (for Gail)
>
> Hi Kirsten, you can see my whole source list at
> http://www.roots2buds.net/browsesources.php.  As Cathy says, I make
> good use of the Source List Names so that like items sort together.
> For example, for a book on the history of Decatur County, Georgia, I
> call it "Book: Georgia-Decatur The History of Decatur County,
> Georgia."  Within the item type, I generally sort next by state, then
> by county, then by other modifier such as date.  I never have any
> problem finding things!
>
> Gail Rich Nestor
> Smyrna, GA
> www.roots2buds.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Question about entering a source citation in Legacy for odd sources...

[Gail Nestor]

I just checked pages 619 and 620 of _Evidence Explained_ and there is
a pretty good write-up on sourcing passports, along with some
examples.  It's too long to write up in this note, but you can, as
Linda mentions, write a note to the APG list and get some good
responses or you can buy the download version of the book at
footnote.com to see the advice.  This will probably help a lot if you
are going to be revamping all your sources.  It has already helped my
greatly!

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On 7/17/07, Linda Altman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> You can post the inquiry out to the APG List, see http://www.apgen.org and
> possibly get a respone from Ms. Mills herself.
>
>
> Linda Altman
> http://www.southerngenealogy.com
> 
>
>
> From: Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 9:06 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Question about entering a source citation in Legacy for
> odd sources...
>
>
>
> After ten years of researching my genealogy I am starting from scratch to
> ensure I get every scrap of information cited in my database.  I have run
> across several types of sources that I can't figure out how to cite in
> Legacy.  One is my passport from when I was a very young child and the other
> is a Report of a Birth Abroad of an American Citizen.  (I was born on a
> military base.)  I have the book Evidence by Elizabeth Shown Mills but
> neither of these sources are touched upon.  I am hoping there are other
> Legacy users out there who have come across these sources.  Thank you.  P.
> Smith
>
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www.roots2buds.net


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Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Question...

[Gail Nestor]

Hi Sara, I wanted to respond to your question earlier, but was busy
with the start of school for my kids.  Because I am a source "lumper,"
I have a much easier time editing master sources (only 857 vs.
thousands of individual citations).  Then, for the source detail, I am
usually able to utilize the search and replace tools to help me make
changes.  Of course, there are some that have to be handled
individually, but it hasn't been too bad and it's worth the costs to
get it right in my opinion.

I'm sure there will be a need to tweak sources once again once v7 is
out, but I'm eager for this because I think it's going to help me get
sources into a Mills style format which is what I want.

Now there are many earlier sources where I failed to enter the
accessed date.  Oh well, if I look any of these up again I can use a
current accessed date.  However, some of them will probably not get
updated until I come upon them again.  The closer I am to my direct
lines, the more care I give to formatting and completeness.

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On 8/16/07, Sara Binkley Tarpley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have been meticulous about sourcing everything in my database, which
> I began in 1996 and which has thousands of names.  However, I feel
> certain that many of you might take issue with my form. If you are
> going to adopt Mills' methods or make any other changes to your
> sourcing practices in a large database, how do you plan to do that
> with a large database?
>
> Sara
>
>
> > >
> > > Everyone likes to say that it's more of an art, but when it gets down
> > > to it, many people on that list will step in and (kindly) say that
> > > there's a better or more correct way than the one I'm currently using.
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] More Lumping and Splitting

[Gail Nestor]

Again, in v7 I hope we will be able to mix components of the master
source with the citation detail in printing our source output - or -
that we will be able to suppress the printing of the Source List Name
when there is no master source title.  Here's an example of when this
applies...

For all personal correspondence (i.e. interview, phone conversation,
e-mail, letter), I create a single master source called Personal
Correspondence.  I could create a separate master source for each
person who has supplied information, but decided to stick with my
lumping methods.

The citation details really contain all the information that I would
include in the output, so there is no need to pull any data from the
master source.  The master source serves only as an umbrella to keep
all such correspondence together.  I can view a report on this source
to ensure each citation under it is formatted consistently.

I may have to rethink this source and resort to having them all split
out.  However, I will wait to see what v7 offers that might help with
this.

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On 8/21/07, Cathy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Kirsten,
>
> I guess it is confusing.
> There is a setting in Options > Customise that sets whether the
> Source list name prints.
> It usually only prints if you haven't entered a Title.
> It's really just for your use.
>
> Cathy
>
> At 02:03 PM 21/08/2007, you wrote:
>
> >Hello Cathy:
> >
> >That's very good to know.  From what you say and a couple of little
> >experiments of my own, I gather that the list sorts by one name but prints
> >another.  Seems a little confusing, but now that I know how it works I'll
> >have to think about how to make best use of it.  Thanks!
> >
> >Kirsten
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Cathy
> >Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 9:33 PM
> >To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> >Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] More Lumping and Splitting (for Gail)
> >
> >
> >Hi Kirsten,
> >You need to use the Source List Name to keep things together and
> >findable on the Master Source list.
> >It sorts (currently) only by Source List Name.
> >How you do it depends on how you think about sources. I do it by
> >type. Some people put location first so that all sources for a
> >particular State are found together.
> >
> >Cathy
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [LegacyUG] More Lumping and Splitting (for Gail)

[Gail Nestor]

Hi Kirsten, you can see my whole source list at
http://www.roots2buds.net/browsesources.php.  As Cathy says, I make
good use of the Source List Names so that like items sort together.
For example, for a book on the history of Decatur County, Georgia, I
call it "Book: Georgia-Decatur The History of Decatur County,
Georgia."  Within the item type, I generally sort next by state, then
by county, then by other modifier such as date.  I never have any
problem finding things!

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On 8/21/07, Kirsten Bowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello Gail:
>
> Your list was extremely informative.  Thanks for doing that tabulation.
> Your breakdown appears to pretty closely follow Elizabeth Shown Mills'
> recommendations.  Now, of course, it generates a few additional questions:
>
> 1)  Does a list of 800+ Master Sources become cumbersome to manage?  (Is it
> difficult to find things?)
> 2)  Do you use Legacy's Source List Name field (short name) to cause like
> items such as books, church or cemetery records to sort together on the
> Master Source List or does that happen automatically because of the title of
> the citation?  (I can see that census listings would sort together, but
> church records and some of the others probably would not.)
> 3)  If you do use a "short name," how do you keep track of what you called
> things?
>
> Thanks again for your response; it's been very helpful.
>
> Kirsten
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gail
> Nestor
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 4:46 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] More Lumping and Splitting
>
>
> Hi Kirsten, yours is another good and thought-provoking question.  I
> decided to do a little survey of my sources.  In my database of almost
> 7,000 names, I have 857 Master Sources, grouped/lumped as follows:
>
> <>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] More Lumping and Splitting

[Gail Nestor]

Hi Kirsten, yours is another good and thought-provoking question.  I
decided to do a little survey of my sources.  In my database of almost
7,000 names, I have 857 Master Sources, grouped/lumped as follows:

8 Bible - 1 source for each Bible found
104 Book - 1 source for each book
3 Booklet - 1 source for each booklet
101 Cemetery - 1 source for each cemetery or cemetery database
(Sometimes I have two sources for a cemetery - 1 for a stone I took a
photo of and 1 for a stone I found in a database.  Since the detail
vary, I create a separate source for each one.)
429 Census - 1 source for each county for each census year (I like to
see who lived in a county at a certain time.)
1 Certificate - a membership certificate of my own
1 Chart - family group chart
20 Church - 1 source for each church (records involve membership
rolls, baptismal certificates, etc.)
3 Directory - 1 source for each directory for an individual year
1 Funeral Home
62 County Sources - each one is different, may be an actual will book
or deed book, or a microfilm of one of these
2 Immigration
21 Marriage - each state's records as 1 source (sort of clumped by repository)
26 Military - hodgepodge of stuff from databases to DAR files to pension files
35 Newspaper - 1 source for each paper title
1 Personal Correspondence - used for all e-mails, phone calls, and letters
1 Social Security Death Index
17 Vital - typically birth or death; clumped by state (e.g.
Pennsylvania Vital Records, 1906-Present)
4 Website - used for websites of a surname; other web sites, like
Ancestry or FindaGrave are split by each database or cemetery

That being said, I not sure how many total citation details are
associated with these master sources.  I'm sure it's in the thousands.
 I can get a count for an individual source, but I don't know how to
obtain the total over all sources.

In my web-based software, TNG (The Next Generation of Genealogy
Sitebuilding), I can get sort of a Bibliography (Source List as Mills
would call it), but I have not yet figured out if it can be formatted
to look like a Source List.

It would be so nice if the user could select a master source which
would take them to a drop down box to create or select the appropriate
detail, and then attach that to one or more events or facts.  I just
hate having to copy and paste a cemetery source + detail to the name,
the birth, and the death facts.  Then, if I catch a mistake, I have to
correct each one separately.

Sorry for getting off on a tangent, but I spent lots and lots of time
thinking about sources!

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On 8/20/07, Kirsten Bowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm not experienced in the various options within Legacy for printing books
> so I may have a wrong impression, but wouldn't the Master Source List equate
> to a bibliography at the end of a book?  And if so, wouldn't "lumping" say,
> all bmd records under a Master Source perhaps called "Vitals," defeat that
> function?
>
> Also, couldn't the Master Source List serve as a checklist of the resources
> you had used in research?  In that case, wouldn't lumping say, various
> newspapers together under "Newspapers," also defeat that function?
>
> Or are there better ways to get a bibliography-type report rather than using
> the Master Source List?  (I know the "To-Do" list is supposed to be good for
> tracking research; unfortunately I'm just not very religious about using it
> that way.)
>
> Kirsten
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] sourcing SSDI (was lumper or splitter)

[Gail Nestor]

This is where the lumping/splitting issue drives me crazy.  I
currently "lump" all findings in the Social Secuity Death Index
database into one master source in Legacy by filling in the Master
Source fields as follows:

Source List Name: Social Security Death Index [Ancestry.com database]
Author: Social Security Administration
Title: "Social Security Death Index," database, «i»Ancestry.com«/i»
Publication Facts: «a href="http://www.ancestry.com"»www.ancestry.com«/a»


For one particular finding, this was the data in my citation detail:

Detail Information: entry for Joseph Nestor, 1987, SS no. 135-12-8709

Recorded Date: 19 August 2007 [does not show up on output]

Detail Text [copied straight from Ancestry]:
Name: Joseph Nestor
SSN: 135-12-8709
Last Residence: 22041 Falls Church, Fairfax, Virginia, United States of America
Born: 9 Sep 1920
Died: Jul 1987
State (Year) SSN issued: New Jersey (Before 1951)

The output from Legacy shows as follows:
 Social Security Administration, "Social Security Death Index,"
database, Ancestry.com («a
href="http://www.ancestry.com"»www.ancestry.com«/a»), entry for Joseph
Nestor, 1987, SS no. 135-12-8709.

If it followed Mills' book, it would be:
 1.  Social Security Administration, "Social Security Death
Index," database, Ancestry.com («a
href="http://www.ancestry.com"»www.ancestry.com«/a» : accessed 19
August 2007), entry for Joseph Nestor, 1987, SS no. 135-12-8709.

The only differences are the number "1." by the citation and the
accessed date behind a colon after the web site address.  The accessed
date is part of the detail (for me) and not part of the master source.
 Therefore, I can find no way to get it in the Mills format unless I
create a new Master Source for each entry found in this index.  That
would not be an efficient way to record the data in my opinion.

I'm just hoping Legacy 7's source templates will allow the output to
be configured the way we choose (i.e. blending master source elements
in with citation detail elements).  All the detailed elements have
been entered in Legacy, so it will just be a matter of having the
choice of where they go on output.

Keeping fingers crossed and waiting for v7 before making huge changes
in sources within Legacy...

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On 8/19/07, Janis Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It is important to record not only the creator of the original record
> (Social Security Administration), but where you viewed the record (rootsweb,
> Ancestry.com, FamilySearch.org).
>
> This is the form that Elizabeth Shown Mills suggests for sourcing SSDI (her
> example uses familysearch.org instead of rootsweb).
>
>Social Security Administration, "U.S. Social Security Death Index,"
> database, FamilySearch.org (http://www.familysearch.org : accessed
> 6 March 2007), entry for Theresa Sammarco, 1978, SS no. 116-05-4655.
>
> As you wrestle with these issues, you would probably find it most helpful to
> download her book in pdf form from the footnote.com site.
>
> And as someone else mentioned earlier, you may not want to do an extensive
> revamping of your sources until the new version of Legacy is released, with
> its expected improvements in that area.
>
> Janis
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christine
> Pearce
> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 3:43 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] lumper or splitter
>
> Thanks Anne and Janis. Well, I guess I have been a combination of both, but
> primarily a Splitter, because my old programme (RootsMagic) source wizard
> prompts first for an individual's name.
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Question...

[Gail Nestor]

Well, I sort of agree with you, but I'm the type who really like to
"color in the lines!"  Also, I subscribe to the APG list and have
already posed a few questions to Ms. Mills about a couple of the
cemetery citation models.  She really does respond quickly and with
much detail!

Everyone likes to say that it's more of an art, but when it gets down
to it, many people on that list will step in and (kindly) say that
there's a better or more correct way than the one I'm currently using.

There are times when I know I'm going to use poetic license on my
sources, but I do want to try to be as true Mills' templates as I know
how.  It's just my own perspective.  I never plan to criticize anyone
else's research as long as I can figure out how to find and review
their source myself.

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On 8/16/07, Lisa Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think the important things is the elements you include, and in a
> consistent way, not the exact order you put them in. The author has
> pretty much said that herself.
>
> Lisa
>
> Gail Nestor wrote:
> > I'd like to add a comment here too.  I also bought my copy of Mills'
> > _Evidence Explained_ and started to consider updating all my sources
> > in Legacy.  However, I quickly decided it's best to wait and see how
> > Legacy 7's sourcing templates pan out.  I have high hopes!
> >
> > One problem is that Mills' formulas often embed what I would consider
> > "citation detail" data in a citation within elements of "master
> > source" data.
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Creating events

[Gail Nestor]

Ahh, that's a very good point!  It's so nice to gain perspective from
other researchers and hear the pros and cons of each issue.  I'm glad
I decided not to change these in my files now.

Thanks,

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On 8/16/07, Lisa Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That is actually one of the reasons I *do* use the place of newspaper
> publication, even if it is maybe far way. That way the person will show
> up when I do a "Show List" for the place of the obit publication. If the
> obit got published there, there may be other ties or other news I should
> look for in a location that might otherwise not be attached to the
> individual. The same applies to the people mentioned in the obit.
>
> Lisa
>
> Gail Nestor wrote:
> > The city of the newspaper publication is also what I put in my event
> > places too.  However, one caveat is that if you have a web site which
> > produces geocoded maps, it might appear like the event itself occured
> > in that place.
> >
> > For example see the map down at the bottom of this page:
> > http://www.roots2buds.net/getperson.php?personID=I289&tree=nestor.
> >
> > This ancestor did not live in Atlanta, GA.  He lived many miles away
> > in Decatur County, GA.  However, his news made it to a regional paper.
> >  It could be misleading if someone didn't read carefully and thought
> > that he migrated.
> >
> > I still don't think I'll change the event location, but it's something
> > to consider...
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Question...

[Gail Nestor]

I'd like to add a comment here too.  I also bought my copy of Mills'
_Evidence Explained_ and started to consider updating all my sources
in Legacy.  However, I quickly decided it's best to wait and see how
Legacy 7's sourcing templates pan out.  I have high hopes!

One problem is that Mills' formulas often embed what I would consider
"citation detail" data in a citation within elements of "master
source" data.

For example, she recommends adding an "accessed date" to web site data
so the reader will know how long ago the site was viewed.  This makes
good sense.  However, she has data on either side of it that I would
want to include in my master source.  Legacy 6 does not allow for
mixing these components for the final output.

Another example which is tricky to implement is sourcing for e-mail
correspondence.  She suggests using the following components in a
first reference note (in this order, and as available): writer,
writer's location, writer's contact information, recipient, item type,
record date, subject line, file, research series, collection,
researcher and contact information.

Currently, I have created a master source called "Personal
Correspondence" and all of the above information is currently listed
in the citation detail for all e-mails I have received over the years.
 I tried to get Legacy 6 to suppress the words "Personal
Correspondence" in the source output so that just the above
information would print, but I couldn't get it to work the way I
wanted.

First I left the words "Personal Correspondence" in the Source List
Name field, but I blanked out the same words in the Title field of the
Master Source.  When I viewed the "Show Source using Print Options"
window, the words "Personal Correspondence" still showed up
(presumably pulling from the Source List Name field since the Title
field was not blank).

Then I typed the word "test" in the Title field and the "test" then
appeared in the "Show Source using Print Options" window in lieu of
"Personal Correspondence" from the Source List Name.

Therefore, it seems that the output for printing defaults to the
Source List Name if the Title field is blank.  I finally gave up and
decided that revamping my sources needed to wait in hopes that Legacy
7's templates will resolve some of these issues.

I realize that Mills wrote her book more with a person publishing on
paper in mind and not as much for the person using a database.
Frankly, I'm sure it's hard to accommodate the needs of both at the
same time!  However, I am trying my best to make it work for both
worlds.

I welcome any thoughts or suggestions on the above example.  In the
mean time, I am happy to wait a couple of months to see what sourcing
goodies Legacy 7 has in store!

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On 8/14/07, Kirsten Bowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dawn:
>
> Now *that's* a good reason.  When reading films ordered from the Canadian
> National Archives or the FHL I've often wondered if different copies of the
> same film could be better.  From what I've seen so far, though, there's
> nothing in Mills about recording the film copy number in the source
> citation.  Maybe that's something to consider.  Of course, I'm only on p. 50
> of 'Evidence Explained' and it's a big book so perhaps she's already thought
> of it.
>
> Very interesting comment.  Thanks.
>
> Kirsten
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dawn
> Crowley
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:27 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Question...
>
>
> Some years ago I ordered a census film from the FHL.  The names on the
> page I needed were obliterated.  On another occassion, I was at the
> Sacramento State Library where I looked at the same film.  The page I
> needed was beautiful and clear.  I not only record the repository, but
> also the line number, household number, and film details.
>
> Dawn
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Creating events

[Gail Nestor]

The city of the newspaper publication is also what I put in my event
places too.  However, one caveat is that if you have a web site which
produces geocoded maps, it might appear like the event itself occured
in that place.

For example see the map down at the bottom of this page:
http://www.roots2buds.net/getperson.php?personID=I289&tree=nestor.

This ancestor did not live in Atlanta, GA.  He lived many miles away
in Decatur County, GA.  However, his news made it to a regional paper.
 It could be misleading if someone didn't read carefully and thought
that he migrated.

I still don't think I'll change the event location, but it's something
to consider...

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On 8/16/07, Susan Daily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It is the location where the newspaper was published. If you fill in
> the blanks, look at how the sentence reads below, and you'll see
> something like:
>
> The obituary was published by the Globe on 4 May 1999 in Boston,
> Suffolk, Massachusetts, USA.
>
> Susan
>
> On 8/16/07, Dwight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > When creating an event for an obituary, what do you put in the location
> > entry? Do you use the place of death? tks
> >
> > Dwight
> >
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Re: [LegacyUG] Finding first names associated with a single surname in the index

[Gail Nestor]

Wow!  Thanks so much Jim!  I should have thought about trying that but
didn't.  I appreciate all the other suggestions and have tried them at
times, but the comma trick really works so well.

Legacy team: This would be a great tip to pass along in one of your spotlights!

Thanks again Jim!

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On 8/16/07, Jimquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When you open the "Name List", type the surname in the surname box, then a
> comma, and then start to type the first name that you desire.  That should
> go quickly...
>
> ----- Original Message -
> From: "Gail Nestor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Legacy User Group" 
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 2:18 PM
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Finding first names associated with a single surname in
> the index
>
>
> > I've been wondering about this for a while
> >
> > I have almost 1,000 individuals with a single surname in my database
> > and I would like to be able to find one at the end of the list without
> > having to scroll through all the first names associated with that
> > surname.  I know that I could sort by first name instead, but
> > sometimes I need to review several first names within a surname to
> > find the right one.
> >
> > Is there a way to selectively jump to a certain first name associated
> > with a single surname?
> >
> > Thanks for your advice on this!
> >
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[LegacyUG] Finding first names associated with a single surname in the index

[Gail Nestor]

I've been wondering about this for a while

I have almost 1,000 individuals with a single surname in my database
and I would like to be able to find one at the end of the list without
having to scroll through all the first names associated with that
surname.  I know that I could sort by first name instead, but
sometimes I need to review several first names within a surname to
find the right one.

Is there a way to selectively jump to a certain first name associated
with a single surname?

Thanks for your advice on this!

-- 
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Smyrna, Georgia
www.roots2buds.net


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Re: [LegacyUG] GMAIL moving LUG email into SPAM folder again

[Gail Nestor]

Hi Susan, I have noticed this too, so it must be system-wide.
Hopefully someone will figure out what's going on and fix it soon!

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On 8/11/07, Susan Daily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just a note, that I've noticed in the past week an email a day showing
> up in my Spam folder. Today there were five so it seems as if it is
> getting worse. They have stayed out of SPAM previously for many
> months. I don't know what has changed this week to cause this to
> happen.
>
> If you use GMAIL, be sure to check your SPAM folder for emails.
>
> Susan
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Cemetaries Being Relocated

[Gail Nestor]

Hi Jane, I use TNG (The Next Generation of Genealogy Sitebuilding).
Here's the link to their web site:
http://lythgoes.net/genealogy/software.php.  The support by the
programmer and the user group is superb!

Gail


On 8/9/07, Jane Fabiano-Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gail,
>
> Love your website.  What software do you use?
>
> Jane
>
> From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (please note my new email)
> Visit my websites:  www.wmwebmasters.com
> Visit my scrapbook blog at: http://janesscrapbook.blogspot.com/
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 10:52 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cemetaries Being Relocated
>
> Hi Marilyn, I have some ancestors in the same situation.  I currently
> have the original burial location in the "burial notes" section of
> Legacy (where there is a plus sign by the "buried" area of the
> individual's input screen).  Here's how it shows up on my web site:
> http://www.roots2buds.net/getperson.php?personID=I273&tree=nestor.
> Scroll down to the "Buried" area to see the notes.
>
> However, since I am now enjoying seeing all events on a map, I like
> Bill's suggestion of creating two separate events (buried, re-buried)
> with notes to give an explanation.  Each event will have its own
> "place," although the former place (i.e. the old cemetery) may or may
> not exist any more and may be under a new name if it does.  Genealogy
> can be so complicated - yet so fun!
>
> Gail Rich Nestor
> Smyrna, GA
> www.roots2buds.net
>
>
> On 8/9/07, marilyn E B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I have some family members who were buried in an early cemetery in
> > Kentucky. When
> > Dale Hollow Lake was created those buried there were moved to
> > different locations.
> > Would it be best to add the new location in burial notes or just list
> > burial place as the
> > new location. Sometimes this was a move from Kentucky to Tennessee.
> >
> > Any suggestions are appreciated.
> >
> > Smiles,
> > Marilyn
> >
> > --
> > What sunshine is to flowers, smiles are to humanity. These are but
> > trifles, to be sure; but, scattered along life's pathway, the good
> > they do is inconceivable.
> >~ Joseph Addison (1672-1719)
> >
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Re: [LegacyUG] Cemetaries Being Relocated

[Gail Nestor]

Hi Marilyn, I have some ancestors in the same situation.  I currently
have the original burial location in the "burial notes" section of
Legacy (where there is a plus sign by the "buried" area of the
individual's input screen).  Here's how it shows up on my web site:
http://www.roots2buds.net/getperson.php?personID=I273&tree=nestor.
Scroll down to the "Buried" area to see the notes.

However, since I am now enjoying seeing all events on a map, I like
Bill's suggestion of creating two separate events (buried, re-buried)
with notes to give an explanation.  Each event will have its own
"place," although the former place (i.e. the old cemetery) may or may
not exist any more and may be under a new name if it does.  Genealogy
can be so complicated - yet so fun!

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On 8/9/07, marilyn E B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have some family members who were buried in an early cemetery in
> Kentucky. When
> Dale Hollow Lake was created those buried there were moved to
> different locations.
> Would it be best to add the new location in burial notes or just list
> burial place as the
> new location. Sometimes this was a move from Kentucky to Tennessee.
>
> Any suggestions are appreciated.
>
> Smiles,
> Marilyn
>
> --
> What sunshine is to flowers, smiles are to humanity. These are but
> trifles, to be sure; but, scattered along life's pathway, the good
> they do is inconceivable.
>~ Joseph Addison (1672-1719)
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] County Didn't Exist Then

[Gail Nestor]

I agree that there is a benefit in knowing the original jurisdiction
for research purposes and in knowing the current (or at least a later)
jurisdiction for plotting and viewing on a map.

In Legacy, I list each location by its name at the time a specific
event occurred.  If a person, for example, was born 15 Nov 1755 in
"Granville County, North Carolina Province" and that county later had
changes which can reliably be traced forward, I list the location as:
, Granville (later Bute now Warren) County, North Carolina Province,
Colonial America.

This preserves the 4-digit placeholders, lets the reader know there
were boundary changes, and gives an accurate (if wordy) location
description at the time of the event.  I would not list it this way in
a book (way too unwieldy), but I publish (for now) solely to the web.

I then create an event called "County Formation" to show the boundary
changed.  For example, I show in 1764 "Granville County became Bute
County."  In 1776, I show a Move "from Bute County to Surry County"
and note "In 1779, Bute was dissolved and was replaced by Warren and
Franklin Counties."  Finally, in 1777 I note "Wilkes County was formed
out of Surry County."  This allows the reader to see exactly what
happened and which jurisdictions should be searched for evidence at
what time.

As a final touch, my web site software, TNG (The Next Generation of
Genealogy Sitebuilding) has given me the ability to create Google Maps
for all my imported locations.  Now, when I see:
, Granville (later Bute now Warren) County, North Carolina Province,
Colonial America,
I can map this location to current day Warren County, NC and know
fairly closely where my ancestor was.

Most of the county changes were not nearly as complex as the example
above, but if there is a smaller county carved out of a bigger one,
and I know that my ancestor was in the area of the bigger county that
later became a specific smaller county, I can list the location as:
, Big (later Small) County, Georgia, USA
and that will help me put my map pin in the right place.  Plus, by
creating an event to show the county change, I let the reader know
that the ancestor has not moved an inch, even though they were listed
in a different county.

This is still a bit clumsy and causes Legacy to tell me the county
never existed, but it has worked well for me in publishing to the web
and in keeping my geography straight.  For a list of all my locations,
please see: http://www.roots2buds.net/places.php.  You'll see the
Colonial America locations listed separately from "USA" locations.
Click on a specific person to see how the map pins work.  It's so
cool!

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On 8/7/07, Kirsten Bowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bill:
>
> If you search at RootsWeb WorldConnect for any of the Founding Fathers
> you'll see many examples of how others do it.  (Try Thomas Jefferson with
> wife Martha Wayles.)  Personally I think it looks a little silly to list
> someone born in the 1600's with a USA birthplace and/or a county that didn't
> exist.  Ani-Map is a big help in identifying the proper place names but the
> maps don't begin until 1643.  Another good source is Wikipedia.
>
> Kirsten
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of William
> Range
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 1:04 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] County Didn't Exist Then
>
>
> I agree, but I have never seen where someone uses the colonial place naming.
> All the place naming that I have seen for colonial times use town, county,
> state, USA.
> Can someone show me a website that use the colonial names for places?
>
> Bill Range
>
>
>
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Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, Georgia
www.roots2buds.net


Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features 
not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at 
http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp.

Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: 
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp

To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/

For online technical support, please visit 
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp

To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLis