subject:"RE\: \[LegacyUG\] Which file is best for a 1\-page written document\?"

Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

2008-08-06 Thread Kris

Ah!  I see it now!  Don't know how I could have missed that, with the 
small traffic on this list and all.  LOL!


Thank you!

(And thanks to Sherry, too!)

Cathy Vallevieni wrote:

Kris:

It was Sherry but the below message was her final message.

To see the whole thread, including Sherry's comment, click at the bottom 
of this e-mail on Archived messages: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ then 
find the thread with the subject line above and follow it.  Look at 
Sherry's first message for what you are referring to.


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA


At 08:14 PM 8/5/2008, you wrote:
Did I read here that you have to limit the size of your photos, source 
documents, etc., because the database can only hold so much?  (That's 
an elegant sentence, isn't it?)  Or did I make that up?  I don't know 
where I would get that -- those things are linked, not stored in the 
actual database, yes?  Media files are backed up separately -- is 
there a limit on how large that backup can be?


Kris
(I know, I know -- but y'all will figure out what I was trying to 
say.  I have faith!)




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RE: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

2008-08-06 Thread Sherry/Support

Some interesting JPG facts and myths can be found at
http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/formatsjpeg/a/jpegmythsfacts.htm

You don't lose quality when you open and view a jpg.  You do when you open,
edit, save and close the file.


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Original Message-

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barrie
Smart
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 12:17 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

Isn't that what I said? If you open and save .jpg files you lose data,
albeit only a small amount.
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:19 PM, JLB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Opening jpg's does not cause a loss in picture quality.  Only if they're
repeatedly edited.
JL
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html

Barrie Smart wrote:
Depends on what the file will be doing. JPG files are "lossy" files, so they
lose some detail every time they're opened and then saved. Their benefit is
small file sizes (hence why they're almost the standard in digital cameras).
TIFF are "lossless" files, which retain their total information even after
multiple openings. With a scanned printed page I would think the lossy
factor wouldn't be of great concern, and if you use TIFF a save a lot of
files in this format, your overall data files will grow appreciably.

Of course, anyone getting a JPG file from you can open it and then save it
in TIFF format if they're concerned about data loss.
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RE: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

2008-08-06 Thread Sherry/Support

No.  The multimedia files are only *linked* to the Family File - they're not
embedded (stored in) the Family File.  Theoretically, you can have an
unlimited number of pictures, sounds, videos and files linked to the Family
File in Legacy.

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kris
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 8:15 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

Did I read here that you have to limit the size of your photos, source 
documents, etc., because the database can only hold so much?  (That's 
an elegant sentence, isn't it?)  Or did I make that up?  I don't know 
where I would get that -- those things are linked, not stored in the 
actual database, yes?  Media files are backed up separately -- is 
there a limit on how large that backup can be?

Kris
(I know, I know -- but y'all will figure out what I was trying to say. 
  I have faith!)

Sherry/Support wrote:
> I've been chatting with Geoff on this he sticks with using the larger
> file size pictures because if you create charts in Legacy Charting and the
> resolution isn't high enough, the pictures will be pixilated.
> 
> However if you have too many large pictures linked in the Picture Gallery,
> you'll find strange things in the Picture Center when linking or viewing
> pictures.
> 
> So I guess it's going to be up to the user's needs - speed or wall charts
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for using Legacy.
> 
> Sherry
> Customer Support
> Millennia Corporation
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

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Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

2008-08-06 Thread JLB

Yes, and very well too.  Sorry, with a couple hundred emails going by 
here every day I can read things wrong.

JL
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html

Barrie Smart wrote:
Isn't that what I said? If you open and save .jpg files you lose data, 
albeit only a small amount.

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:19 PM, JLB <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:

Opening jpg's does not cause a loss in picture quality.  Only if
they're repeatedly edited.
JL
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html

Barrie Smart wrote:

Depends on what the file will be doing. JPG files are "lossy"
files, so they lose some detail every time they're opened and
then saved. Their benefit is small file sizes (hence why
they're almost the standard in digital cameras). TIFF are
"lossless" files, which retain their total information even
after multiple openings. With a scanned printed page I would
think the lossy factor wouldn't be of great concern, and if
you use TIFF a save a lot of files in this format, your
overall data files will grow appreciably.

Of course, anyone getting a JPG file from you can open it and
then save it in TIFF format if they're concerned about data loss.

HTH

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Cathy Vallevieni
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> wrote:

   Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is
   best for attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a
Source?
I know these will open in any photo program so most people
will
   be able to view them just like they can a photo.

   Thanks.

   Cathy Vallevieni
   Orange County, CA

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Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

2008-08-06 Thread Barrie Smart

Isn't that what I said? If you open and save .jpg files you lose data,
albeit only a small amount.

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:19 PM, JLB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Opening jpg's does not cause a loss in picture quality.  Only if they're
> repeatedly edited.
> JL
> JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
> http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html
>
> Barrie Smart wrote:
>
>> Depends on what the file will be doing. JPG files are "lossy" files, so
>> they lose some detail every time they're opened and then saved. Their
>> benefit is small file sizes (hence why they're almost the standard in
>> digital cameras). TIFF are "lossless" files, which retain their total
>> information even after multiple openings. With a scanned printed page I
>> would think the lossy factor wouldn't be of great concern, and if you use
>> TIFF a save a lot of files in this format, your overall data files will grow
>> appreciably.
>>
>> Of course, anyone getting a JPG file from you can open it and then save it
>> in TIFF format if they're concerned about data loss.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Cathy Vallevieni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>>
>>Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is
>>best for attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a Source?
>> I know these will open in any photo program so most people will
>>be able to view them just like they can a photo.
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>Cathy Vallevieni
>>Orange County, CA
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

2008-08-05 Thread Cathy Vallevieni


Kris:

It was Sherry but the below message was her final message.

To see the whole thread, including Sherry's comment, click at the 
bottom of this e-mail on Archived 
messages: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ 
then find the thread with the subject line above and follow it.  Look 
at Sherry's first message for what you are referring to.


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA


At 08:14 PM 8/5/2008, you wrote:
Did I read here that you have to limit the size of your photos, 
source documents, etc., because the database can only hold so 
much?  (That's an elegant sentence, isn't it?)  Or did I make that 
up?  I don't know where I would get that -- those things are linked, 
not stored in the actual database, yes?  Media files are backed up 
separately -- is there a limit on how large that backup can be?


Kris
(I know, I know -- but y'all will figure out what I was trying to 
say.  I have faith!)


Sherry/Support wrote:

I've been chatting with Geoff on this he sticks with using the larger
file size pictures because if you create charts in Legacy Charting and the
resolution isn't high enough, the pictures will be pixilated.
However if you have too many large pictures linked in the Picture Gallery,
you'll find strange things in the Picture Center when linking or viewing
pictures.
So I guess it's going to be up to the user's needs - speed or wall charts


Thanks for using Legacy.
Sherry
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com




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Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

2008-08-05 Thread Kris

Did I read here that you have to limit the size of your photos, source 
documents, etc., because the database can only hold so much?  (That's 
an elegant sentence, isn't it?)  Or did I make that up?  I don't know 
where I would get that -- those things are linked, not stored in the 
actual database, yes?  Media files are backed up separately -- is 
there a limit on how large that backup can be?


Kris
(I know, I know -- but y'all will figure out what I was trying to say. 
 I have faith!)


Sherry/Support wrote:

I've been chatting with Geoff on this he sticks with using the larger
file size pictures because if you create charts in Legacy Charting and the
resolution isn't high enough, the pictures will be pixilated.

However if you have too many large pictures linked in the Picture Gallery,
you'll find strange things in the Picture Center when linking or viewing
pictures.

So I guess it's going to be up to the user's needs - speed or wall charts



Thanks for using Legacy.

Sherry
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com




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Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

2008-08-05 Thread Cathy Vallevieni


JL:

Cool tool!

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA


At 04:12 PM 8/5/2008, you wrote:
Magnifying images in Windows Picture and Fax Viewer (and Legacy at 
times) is a nuisance, so I never use it.  There's a tool called 
Virtual Magnifying Glass that works much better on any screen.  And it's free.

http://magnifier.sourceforge.net/
JL
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html

Cathy Vallevieni wrote:


JL:

Good point, especially for 1-page documents where you can see the 
actual document at the bottom of the Source screen and in other 
reports without having to open it in Adobe.  PDF probably still 
makes more sense for multiple page documents, however.


Now I'll have to decide whether I want to see the document directly 
or whether I want to view it more clearly and easily in Adobe.


What a great group with all the ideas and various viewpoints.  No 
one can say you don't get an all-encompassing viewpoint of a subject.


To everyone that has suggested alternative programs to view and 
create PDF files, thank you and I'm sure they've been helpful to 
many LUG members.  I actually own a copy of Adobe Acrobat that I 
use for my business so I'm covered for both creation and reading.


Mike & Tim, thanks for the info on converting a web page to a 
PDF.  I use Firefox and will keep that in mind.


Way to come through, again, group!

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 12:15 PM 8/5/2008, you wrote:
At one time I put all my jpg images (such as census records and 
scanned marriage certificates) into pdf because I thought it was 
so neat and nifty.  I later changed them all back to jpg's for two 
reasons.  One, I can see them directly when they're linked into 
Legacy and two, for IPTC-embedded info.  Just to give you the 
opposite perspective.

JL
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html

Cathy Vallevieni wrote:

Mary:

Thank you for the reply.  I converted a jpg to a pdf to see the 
results myself but thank you for the offer to send a copy.


I like the results.  Much easier to read on the screen in pdf 
than in a picture browser as a jpg.  I think I may go back and 
get all the Census and similar documents that I can from 
Ancestry, etc. and resave all of them as originals to a pdf file 
which should make them the clearest they can be (which can be 
important with the quality of some Census').  I'll compare the 
difference between an original scan to pdf vs. converting a jpg 
to pdf then make the final decision.  I was surprised to see they 
are about the same size file (would have expected a pdf to be much bigger).


Thanks for the idea!

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 10:44 AM 8/5/2008, you wrote:
I like to save jpg or tiff scans of one page documents to a pdf 
file. That format is known and used in many countries and almost 
every computer has Adobe Reader software on it, as most software 
manuals and US gov forms are offered in this format.


The utility, FastStone Image viewer, is free when used in non 
commercial settings (free for home use) and will save a jpg or 
tiff file to pdf format. When opening this pdf file in Adobe 
Reader, it can be printed or read easily. I save almost all of 
my Legacy source documents to pdf format.


If interested in taking a look, this image viewer can be found 
at www.faststone.org <http://www.faststone.org> and it's the 
first offering on the right hand side on their opening screen.


Mary

I can send an example of a jpg file and same converted to pdf 
file via FastStone, if you'd like to compare. Just send your 
request to mleek at sbcglobal dot net



- Original Message -

From: Trippsibs5 <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com>
    Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written
document?

Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is best
for attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a Source?  I know
these will open in any photo program so most people will be able to
view them just like they can a photo.

Thanks.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA


Cathy,
Another tip.
I haven't added scans to my program and I haven't read about the
complexities of resolution & compression & whatever on an image.
With that
wealth of knowlwdge, I'll pass along a suggestion from an earlier
post on
LUG.
Someone (I apologize for not remembering their name) suggested
saving black
& white documents as greyscale, a smaller file than a save as
color. I
assume .bmp or .tiff allows this. as .jpg works fine. As
suggested in this
thread, check to see if the detail is acceptable.
Regards, Jane Tripp

Le

Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

2008-08-05 Thread Jackie King


I'll just make a quick comment here.

If you are sharing a lot of documents etc with someone on dialup or who 
is using an older system, you might want to chat with them before 
totally switching to pdf. They can be a real problem for those on very 
slow speed dialup (which for some is all that is available. PDF files of 
one or two pages tend to be much larger than sending an image of the 
document) or for someone on older systems.


In my case I have one other problem to consider. I share information 
with someone who uses assistive technologies on their computers. PDF's 
are, for the most part, incompatible with many of those technologies.


And one other thing - when making a pdf from a web page, you may lose 
some of the structure of the page. Each web page provider needs to be 
judged individually. (Having said that many provide pdf downloads. Again 
check them as you get them. I find that some from HQ will not open.)


Just something to consider when considering your usage.  

Jackie  


Tim Rosenlof wrote:

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike
Fry
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 2:13 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written
document?


Cathy Vallevieni wrote:

  
I like the results.  Much easier to read on the screen in pdf than in 
a

picture browser as a jpg.  I think I may go back and get all the

Census 
  

and similar documents that I can from Ancestry, etc. and resave all of



  

them as originals to a pdf file which should make them the clearest

they 
  

can be (which can be important with the quality of some Census').

I'll 
  

compare the difference between an original scan to pdf vs. converting

a 
  
jpg to pdf then make the final decision.  I was surprised to see they 
are about the same size file (would have expected a pdf to be much


bigger).

If you're interested in PDF, then FireFox with the PDF Download add-on 
is a good way of creating a single PDF page document from a web-page.


Windows - Cuteftp
Small foot print
http://www.cutepdf.com/
Tim

  




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Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

2008-08-05 Thread JLB

Magnifying images in Windows Picture and Fax Viewer (and Legacy at 
times) is a nuisance, so I never use it.  There's a tool called Virtual 
Magnifying Glass that works much better on any screen.  And it's free.

http://magnifier.sourceforge.net/
JL
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html

Cathy Vallevieni wrote:


JL:

Good point, especially for 1-page documents where you can see the 
actual document at the bottom of the Source screen and in other 
reports without having to open it in Adobe.  PDF probably still makes 
more sense for multiple page documents, however.


Now I'll have to decide whether I want to see the document directly or 
whether I want to view it more clearly and easily in Adobe.


What a great group with all the ideas and various viewpoints.  No one 
can say you don't get an all-encompassing viewpoint of a subject.


To everyone that has suggested alternative programs to view and create 
PDF files, thank you and I'm sure they've been helpful to many LUG 
members.  I actually own a copy of Adobe Acrobat that I use for my 
business so I'm covered for both creation and reading.


Mike & Tim, thanks for the info on converting a web page to a PDF.  I 
use Firefox and will keep that in mind.


Way to come through, again, group!

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 12:15 PM 8/5/2008, you wrote:
At one time I put all my jpg images (such as census records and 
scanned marriage certificates) into pdf because I thought it was so 
neat and nifty.  I later changed them all back to jpg's for two 
reasons.  One, I can see them directly when they're linked into 
Legacy and two, for IPTC-embedded info.  Just to give you the 
opposite perspective.

JL
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html

Cathy Vallevieni wrote:

Mary:

Thank you for the reply.  I converted a jpg to a pdf to see the 
results myself but thank you for the offer to send a copy.


I like the results.  Much easier to read on the screen in pdf than 
in a picture browser as a jpg.  I think I may go back and get all 
the Census and similar documents that I can from Ancestry, etc. and 
resave all of them as originals to a pdf file which should make them 
the clearest they can be (which can be important with the quality of 
some Census').  I'll compare the difference between an original scan 
to pdf vs. converting a jpg to pdf then make the final decision.  I 
was surprised to see they are about the same size file (would have 
expected a pdf to be much bigger).


Thanks for the idea!

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 10:44 AM 8/5/2008, you wrote:
I like to save jpg or tiff scans of one page documents to a pdf 
file. That format is known and used in many countries and almost 
every computer has Adobe Reader software on it, as most software 
manuals and US gov forms are offered in this format.


The utility, FastStone Image viewer, is free when used in non 
commercial settings (free for home use) and will save a jpg or tiff 
file to pdf format. When opening this pdf file in Adobe Reader, it 
can be printed or read easily. I save almost all of my Legacy 
source documents to pdf format.


If interested in taking a look, this image viewer can be found at 
www.faststone.org <http://www.faststone.org> and it's the first 
offering on the right hand side on their opening screen.


Mary

I can send an example of a jpg file and same converted to pdf file 
via FastStone, if you'd like to compare. Just send your request to 
mleek at sbcglobal dot net



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From: Trippsibs5 <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
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    Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written
document?

Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is 
best
for attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a Source?  I 
know
these will open in any photo program so most people will be 
able to

view them just like they can a photo.

Thanks.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA


Cathy,
Another tip.
I haven't added scans to my program and I haven't read about the
complexities of resolution & compression & whatever on an image.
With that
wealth of knowlwdge, I'll pass along a suggestion from an earlier
post on
LUG.
Someone (I apologize for not remembering their name) suggested
saving black
& white documents as greyscale, a smaller file than a save as
color. I
assume .bmp or .tiff allows this. as .jpg works fine. As
suggested in this
thread, check to see if the detail is acceptable.
Regards, Jane Tripp

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RE: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

2008-08-05 Thread Sherry/Support

I've been chatting with Geoff on this he sticks with using the larger
file size pictures because if you create charts in Legacy Charting and the
resolution isn't high enough, the pictures will be pixilated.

However if you have too many large pictures linked in the Picture Gallery,
you'll find strange things in the Picture Center when linking or viewing
pictures.

So I guess it's going to be up to the user's needs - speed or wall charts



Thanks for using Legacy.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cathy
Vallevieni
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:42 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

Sherry:

Thanks for the detailed explanation.  It was extremely helpful and I 
will follow your advice.  I'm sure others will benefit from it as well.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 10:54 AM 8/5/2008, you wrote:
>I don't know which training video you're referring to but my recommendation
>has always been to make sure that the file size of pictures you link to in
>Legacy is no larger than 150-200 KB in size.
>
>That resolution is fine for documents and web pages. To publish, you don't
>need a high resolution picture. Those are only necessary if you're doing
>editing or making big enlargements.
>
>If you link a lot of pictures with larger file sizes to a Picture Gallery,
>it can really bog down the Picture Gallery when it's opened.
>
>Save the TIF or BMP as archive copies for storage and editing and make a
>smaller jpg for linking to in Legacy - those pictures could be stored in
the
>c:\Legacy\Pictures folder or can reside next to the TIF or BMP formats in
>the same folder.
>
>Since Sound, Video and Files attachments don't redraw thumbnails, there's
>not a problem with larger file sizes of those attachments.
>
>Thanks for using Legacy.
>
>Sherry
>Customer Support
>Millennia Corporation
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
>
>We are changing the world of genealogy!
>
>When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence.
>Thanks.
>





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Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

2008-08-05 Thread Cathy Vallevieni


JL:

Good point, especially for 1-page documents where you can see the 
actual document at the bottom of the Source screen and in other 
reports without having to open it in Adobe.  PDF probably still makes 
more sense for multiple page documents, however.


Now I'll have to decide whether I want to see the document directly 
or whether I want to view it more clearly and easily in Adobe.


What a great group with all the ideas and various viewpoints.  No one 
can say you don't get an all-encompassing viewpoint of a subject.


To everyone that has suggested alternative programs to view and 
create PDF files, thank you and I'm sure they've been helpful to many 
LUG members.  I actually own a copy of Adobe Acrobat that I use for 
my business so I'm covered for both creation and reading.


Mike & Tim, thanks for the info on converting a web page to a PDF.  I 
use Firefox and will keep that in mind.


Way to come through, again, group!

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 12:15 PM 8/5/2008, you wrote:
At one time I put all my jpg images (such as census records and 
scanned marriage certificates) into pdf because I thought it was so 
neat and nifty.  I later changed them all back to jpg's for two 
reasons.  One, I can see them directly when they're linked into 
Legacy and two, for IPTC-embedded info.  Just to give you the 
opposite perspective.

JL
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html

Cathy Vallevieni wrote:

Mary:

Thank you for the reply.  I converted a jpg to a pdf to see the 
results myself but thank you for the offer to send a copy.


I like the results.  Much easier to read on the screen in pdf than 
in a picture browser as a jpg.  I think I may go back and get all 
the Census and similar documents that I can from Ancestry, etc. and 
resave all of them as originals to a pdf file which should make 
them the clearest they can be (which can be important with the 
quality of some Census').  I'll compare the difference between an 
original scan to pdf vs. converting a jpg to pdf then make the 
final decision.  I was surprised to see they are about the same 
size file (would have expected a pdf to be much bigger).


Thanks for the idea!

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 10:44 AM 8/5/2008, you wrote:
I like to save jpg or tiff scans of one page documents to a pdf 
file. That format is known and used in many countries and almost 
every computer has Adobe Reader software on it, as most software 
manuals and US gov forms are offered in this format.


The utility, FastStone Image viewer, is free when used in non 
commercial settings (free for home use) and will save a jpg or 
tiff file to pdf format. When opening this pdf file in Adobe 
Reader, it can be printed or read easily. I save almost all of my 
Legacy source documents to pdf format.


If interested in taking a look, this image viewer can be found at 
www.faststone.org <http://www.faststone.org> and it's the first 
offering on the right hand side on their opening screen.


Mary

I can send an example of a jpg file and same converted to pdf file 
via FastStone, if you'd like to compare. Just send your request to 
mleek at sbcglobal dot net



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From: Trippsibs5 <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com>
    Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:53 AM
    Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written
document?

Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is best
for attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a Source?  I know
these will open in any photo program so most people will be able to
view them just like they can a photo.

Thanks.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA


Cathy,
Another tip.
I haven't added scans to my program and I haven't read about the
complexities of resolution & compression & whatever on an image.
With that
wealth of knowlwdge, I'll pass along a suggestion from an earlier
post on
LUG.
Someone (I apologize for not remembering their name) suggested
saving black
& white documents as greyscale, a smaller file than a save as
color. I
assume .bmp or .tiff allows this. as .jpg works fine. As
suggested in this
thread, check to see if the detail is acceptable.
Regards, Jane Tripp

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RE: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

2008-08-05 Thread Tim Rosenlof



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike
Fry
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 2:13 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written
document?


Cathy Vallevieni wrote:

> I like the results.  Much easier to read on the screen in pdf than in 
> a
> picture browser as a jpg.  I think I may go back and get all the
Census 
> and similar documents that I can from Ancestry, etc. and resave all of

> them as originals to a pdf file which should make them the clearest
they 
> can be (which can be important with the quality of some Census').
I'll 
> compare the difference between an original scan to pdf vs. converting
a 
> jpg to pdf then make the final decision.  I was surprised to see they 
> are about the same size file (would have expected a pdf to be much
bigger).

If you're interested in PDF, then FireFox with the PDF Download add-on 
is a good way of creating a single PDF page document from a web-page.

Windows - Cuteftp
Small foot print
http://www.cutepdf.com/
Tim

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Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

2008-08-05 Thread JLB

Yes, I know you can see the icon for attached files.  But I like to see 
the pictures themselves when I'm in the Assigned Sources window.  Just 
personal taste.  I also have pdf's linked for some of the Master Sources. 

IPTC is embedded info which can include many things: caption, caption 
writer, keywords, copyright, etc.  Not all of it imports into Legacy 
though.  Just the captions I think.  And only on jpg's and uncompressed 
tiff's.  I use IPTC for everything as it shows up in many programs and 
can also be printed out with pictures in other uses.

JL
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html

Mary Fowler Leek wrote:

JL,

You can see attached sources in pdf format from within Legacy when 
they're linked to a source. You just click on the photo icon to get 
them to open in Adobe reader, just as the jpg's open in an image 
viewer when clicked.

This works in Legacy v6, too, not just in Legacy v7. You just need to 
change the video file option to ALL in order to attach them as pdf files.

I don't know what the IPTC embedded information is so I guess I 
haven't missed that. :-) I assume it might contain image source data 
for the original digital image file?

Mary

*From:* JLB <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *... and he wrote:*

At one time I put all my jpg images (such as census records and
scanned
marriage certificates) into pdf because I thought it was so neat and
nifty.  I later changed them all back to jpg's for two reasons. 
One, I

can see them directly when they're linked into Legacy and two, for
IPTC-embedded info.  Just to give you the opposite perspective.
JL
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html

Cathy Vallevieni wrote:
> Mary:
>
> Thank you for the reply.  I converted a jpg to a pdf to see the
> results myself but thank you for the offer to send a copy.
>
> I like the results.  Much easier to read on the screen in pdf
than in
> a picture browser as a jpg.  I think I may go back and get all the
> Census and similar documents that I can from Ancestry, etc. and
resave
> all of them as originals to a pdf file which should make them the
> clearest they can be (which can be important with the quality of
some
> Census').  I'll compare the difference between an original scan
to pdf
> vs. converting a jpg to pdf then make the final decision.  I was
> surprised to see they are about the same size file (would have
> expected a pdf to be much bigger).
>
> Thanks for the idea!
>
> Cathy Vallevieni
> Orange County, CA
>
> At 10:44 AM 8/5/2008, you wrote:
>> I like to save jpg or tiff scans of one page documents to a pdf
file.
>> That format is known and used in many countries and almost every
>> computer has Adobe Reader software on it, as most software manuals
>> and US gov forms are offered in this format.
>> 
>> The utility, FastStone Image viewer, is free when used in non

>> commercial settings (free for home use) and will save a jpg or
tiff
>> file to pdf format. When opening this pdf file in Adobe Reader, it
>> can be printed or read easily. I save almost all of my Legacy
source
>> documents to pdf format.
>> 
>> If interested in taking a look, this image viewer can be found at

>> www.faststone.org <http://www.faststone.org>
<http://www.faststone.org> and it's the first
>> offering on the right hand side on their opening screen.
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> I can send an example of a jpg file and same converted to pdf file

>> via FastStone, if you'd like to compare. Just send your request to
>> mleek at sbcglobal dot net
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -

    >>
    >>     From: Trippsibs5 <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com>
>> <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:53 AM
>> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written
>> document?
>>
>> Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format
is best
>> for attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a
Source?  I know
>> these will open in any photo program so most people will be
able to
>> view them just like they can a photo.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>

Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

2008-08-05 Thread Mike Fry


Cathy Vallevieni wrote:

I like the results.  Much easier to read on the screen in pdf than in a 
picture browser as a jpg.  I think I may go back and get all the Census 
and similar documents that I can from Ancestry, etc. and resave all of 
them as originals to a pdf file which should make them the clearest they 
can be (which can be important with the quality of some Census').  I'll 
compare the difference between an original scan to pdf vs. converting a 
jpg to pdf then make the final decision.  I was surprised to see they 
are about the same size file (would have expected a pdf to be much bigger).


If you're interested in PDF, then FireFox with the PDF Download add-on 
is a good way of creating a single PDF page document from a web-page.


--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg.



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Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

2008-08-05 Thread Mary Fowler Leek

JL,

You can see attached sources in pdf format from within Legacy when they're 
linked to a source. You just click on the photo icon to get them to open in 
Adobe reader, just as the jpg's open in an image viewer when clicked. 

This works in Legacy v6, too, not just in Legacy v7. You just need to change 
the video file option to ALL in order to attach them as pdf files. 

I don't know what the IPTC embedded information is so I guess I haven't missed 
that. :-) I assume it might contain image source data for the original digital 
image file?

Mary

  From: JLB ... and he wrote:


  At one time I put all my jpg images (such as census records and scanned 
  marriage certificates) into pdf because I thought it was so neat and 
  nifty.  I later changed them all back to jpg's for two reasons.  One, I 
  can see them directly when they're linked into Legacy and two, for 
  IPTC-embedded info.  Just to give you the opposite perspective.
  JL
  JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
  http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html


  Cathy Vallevieni wrote:
  > Mary:
  >
  > Thank you for the reply.  I converted a jpg to a pdf to see the 
  > results myself but thank you for the offer to send a copy.
  >
  > I like the results.  Much easier to read on the screen in pdf than in 
  > a picture browser as a jpg.  I think I may go back and get all the 
  > Census and similar documents that I can from Ancestry, etc. and resave 
  > all of them as originals to a pdf file which should make them the 
  > clearest they can be (which can be important with the quality of some 
  > Census').  I'll compare the difference between an original scan to pdf 
  > vs. converting a jpg to pdf then make the final decision.  I was 
  > surprised to see they are about the same size file (would have 
  > expected a pdf to be much bigger).
  >
  > Thanks for the idea!
  >
  > Cathy Vallevieni
  > Orange County, CA
  >
  > At 10:44 AM 8/5/2008, you wrote:
  >> I like to save jpg or tiff scans of one page documents to a pdf file. 
  >> That format is known and used in many countries and almost every 
  >> computer has Adobe Reader software on it, as most software manuals 
  >> and US gov forms are offered in this format.
  >>  
  >> The utility, FastStone Image viewer, is free when used in non 
  >> commercial settings (free for home use) and will save a jpg or tiff 
  >> file to pdf format. When opening this pdf file in Adobe Reader, it 
  >> can be printed or read easily. I save almost all of my Legacy source 
  >> documents to pdf format.
  >>  
  >> If interested in taking a look, this image viewer can be found at 
  >> www.faststone.org <http://www.faststone.org> and it's the first 
  >> offering on the right hand side on their opening screen.
  >>  
  >> Mary
  >>  
  >> I can send an example of a jpg file and same converted to pdf file 
  >> via FastStone, if you'd like to compare. Just send your request to 
  >> mleek at sbcglobal dot net
  >>  
  >>  
  >> ----- Original Message -
  >>
  >> From: Trippsibs5 <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  >> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  >> <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com>
  >> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:53 AM
  >> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written
  >> document?
  >>
  >> Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is best
  >> for attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a Source?  I know
  >> these will open in any photo program so most people will be able to
  >> view them just like they can a photo.
  >>
  >> Thanks.
  >>
  >> Cathy Vallevieni
  >> Orange County, CA
  >>
  >>
  >> Cathy,
  >> Another tip.
  >> I haven't added scans to my program and I haven't read about the
  >> complexities of resolution & compression & whatever on an image.
  >> With that
  >> wealth of knowlwdge, I'll pass along a suggestion from an earlier
  >> post on
  >> LUG.
  >> Someone (I apologize for not remembering their name) suggested
  >> saving black
  >> & white documents as greyscale, a smaller file than a save as
  >> color. I
  >> assume .bmp or .tiff allows this. as .jpg works fine. As
  >> suggested in this
  >> thread, check to see if the detail is acceptable.
  >> Regards, Jane Tripp







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Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

2008-08-05 Thread JLB

At one time I put all my jpg images (such as census records and scanned 
marriage certificates) into pdf because I thought it was so neat and 
nifty.  I later changed them all back to jpg's for two reasons.  One, I 
can see them directly when they're linked into Legacy and two, for 
IPTC-embedded info.  Just to give you the opposite perspective.

JL
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html

Cathy Vallevieni wrote:

Mary:

Thank you for the reply.  I converted a jpg to a pdf to see the 
results myself but thank you for the offer to send a copy.


I like the results.  Much easier to read on the screen in pdf than in 
a picture browser as a jpg.  I think I may go back and get all the 
Census and similar documents that I can from Ancestry, etc. and resave 
all of them as originals to a pdf file which should make them the 
clearest they can be (which can be important with the quality of some 
Census').  I'll compare the difference between an original scan to pdf 
vs. converting a jpg to pdf then make the final decision.  I was 
surprised to see they are about the same size file (would have 
expected a pdf to be much bigger).


Thanks for the idea!

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 10:44 AM 8/5/2008, you wrote:
I like to save jpg or tiff scans of one page documents to a pdf file. 
That format is known and used in many countries and almost every 
computer has Adobe Reader software on it, as most software manuals 
and US gov forms are offered in this format.
 
The utility, FastStone Image viewer, is free when used in non 
commercial settings (free for home use) and will save a jpg or tiff 
file to pdf format. When opening this pdf file in Adobe Reader, it 
can be printed or read easily. I save almost all of my Legacy source 
documents to pdf format.
 
If interested in taking a look, this image viewer can be found at 
www.faststone.org <http://www.faststone.org> and it's the first 
offering on the right hand side on their opening screen.
 
Mary
 
I can send an example of a jpg file and same converted to pdf file 
via FastStone, if you'd like to compare. Just send your request to 
mleek at sbcglobal dot net
 
 
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To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:53 AM
    Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written
document?

Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is best
for attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a Source?  I know
these will open in any photo program so most people will be able to
view them just like they can a photo.

Thanks.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA


Cathy,
Another tip.
I haven't added scans to my program and I haven't read about the
complexities of resolution & compression & whatever on an image.
With that
wealth of knowlwdge, I'll pass along a suggestion from an earlier
post on
LUG.
Someone (I apologize for not remembering their name) suggested
saving black
& white documents as greyscale, a smaller file than a save as
color. I
assume .bmp or .tiff allows this. as .jpg works fine. As
suggested in this
thread, check to see if the detail is acceptable.
Regards, Jane Tripp

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RE: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

2008-08-05 Thread Cathy Vallevieni

Sherry:

Thanks for the detailed explanation.  It was extremely helpful and I 
will follow your advice.  I'm sure others will benefit from it as well.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 10:54 AM 8/5/2008, you wrote:

I don't know which training video you're referring to but my recommendation
has always been to make sure that the file size of pictures you link to in
Legacy is no larger than 150-200 KB in size.

That resolution is fine for documents and web pages. To publish, you don't
need a high resolution picture. Those are only necessary if you're doing
editing or making big enlargements.

If you link a lot of pictures with larger file sizes to a Picture Gallery,
it can really bog down the Picture Gallery when it's opened.

Save the TIF or BMP as archive copies for storage and editing and make a
smaller jpg for linking to in Legacy - those pictures could be stored in the
c:\Legacy\Pictures folder or can reside next to the TIF or BMP formats in
the same folder.

Since Sound, Video and Files attachments don't redraw thumbnails, there's
not a problem with larger file sizes of those attachments.

Thanks for using Legacy.

Sherry
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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We are changing the world of genealogy!

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Berry
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 3:01 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

According to one of the training videos you should use either .bmp or .tiff
files.  The reasosn is that .jpg files loose data and quality if you edit
them.

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Subject: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

> Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is best for
> attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a Source?  I know these
> will open in any photo program so most people will be able to view them
> just like they can a photo.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Cathy Vallevieni
> Orange County, CA
>

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Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

2008-08-05 Thread Cathy Vallevieni


Mary:

Thank you for the reply.  I converted a jpg to a pdf to see the 
results myself but thank you for the offer to send a copy.


I like the results.  Much easier to read on the screen in pdf than in 
a picture browser as a jpg.  I think I may go back and get all the 
Census and similar documents that I can from Ancestry, etc. and 
resave all of them as originals to a pdf file which should make them 
the clearest they can be (which can be important with the quality of 
some Census').  I'll compare the difference between an original scan 
to pdf vs. converting a jpg to pdf then make the final decision.  I 
was surprised to see they are about the same size file (would have 
expected a pdf to be much bigger).


Thanks for the idea!

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 10:44 AM 8/5/2008, you wrote:
I like to save jpg or tiff scans of one page documents to a pdf 
file. That format is known and used in many countries and almost 
every computer has Adobe Reader software on it, as most software 
manuals and US gov forms are offered in this format.


The utility, FastStone Image viewer, is free when used in non 
commercial settings (free for home use) and will save a jpg or tiff 
file to pdf format. When opening this pdf file in Adobe Reader, it 
can be printed or read easily. I save almost all of my Legacy source 
documents to pdf format.


If interested in taking a look, this image viewer can be found at 
<http://www.faststone.org>www.faststone.org and it's the first 
offering on the right hand side on their opening screen.


Mary

I can send an example of a jpg file and same converted to pdf file 
via FastStone, if you'd like to compare. Just send your request to 
mleek at sbcglobal dot net



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Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is best
for attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a Source?  I know
these will open in any photo program so most people will be able to
view them just like they can a photo.

Thanks.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA


Cathy,
Another tip.
I haven't added scans to my program and I haven't read about the
complexities of resolution & compression & whatever on an image. With that
wealth of knowlwdge, I'll pass along a suggestion from an earlier post on
LUG.
Someone (I apologize for not remembering their name) suggested saving black
& white documents as greyscale, a smaller file than a save as color. I
assume .bmp or .tiff allows this. as .jpg works fine. As suggested in this
thread, check to see if the detail is acceptable.
Regards, Jane Tripp

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RE: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

2008-08-05 Thread Sherry/Support

I don't know which training video you're referring to but my recommendation
has always been to make sure that the file size of pictures you link to in
Legacy is no larger than 150-200 KB in size.

That resolution is fine for documents and web pages. To publish, you don't
need a high resolution picture. Those are only necessary if you're doing
editing or making big enlargements.

If you link a lot of pictures with larger file sizes to a Picture Gallery,
it can really bog down the Picture Gallery when it's opened.

Save the TIF or BMP as archive copies for storage and editing and make a
smaller jpg for linking to in Legacy - those pictures could be stored in the
c:\Legacy\Pictures folder or can reside next to the TIF or BMP formats in
the same folder.

Since Sound, Video and Files attachments don't redraw thumbnails, there's
not a problem with larger file sizes of those attachments.

Thanks for using Legacy.

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Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 3:01 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

According to one of the training videos you should use either .bmp or .tiff 
files.  The reasosn is that .jpg files loose data and quality if you edit 
them.

- Original Message - 
From: "Cathy Vallevieni" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 1:45 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?


> Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is best for 
> attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a Source?  I know these 
> will open in any photo program so most people will be able to view them 
> just like they can a photo.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Cathy Vallevieni
> Orange County, CA
>





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Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

2008-08-05 Thread Mary Fowler Leek

I like to save jpg or tiff scans of one page documents to a pdf file. That 
format is known and used in many countries and almost every computer has Adobe 
Reader software on it, as most software manuals and US gov forms are offered in 
this format.

The utility, FastStone Image viewer, is free when used in non commercial 
settings (free for home use) and will save a jpg or tiff file to pdf format. 
When opening this pdf file in Adobe Reader, it can be printed or read easily. I 
save almost all of my Legacy source documents to pdf format.

If interested in taking a look, this image viewer can be found at 
www.faststone.org and it's the first offering on the right hand side on their 
opening screen. 

Mary

I can send an example of a jpg file and same converted to pdf file via 
FastStone, if you'd like to compare. Just send your request to mleek at 
sbcglobal dot net 


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  From: Trippsibs5 
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:53 AM
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?


  Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is best
  for attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a Source?  I know
  these will open in any photo program so most people will be able to
  view them just like they can a photo.

  Thanks.

  Cathy Vallevieni
  Orange County, CA


  Cathy,
  Another tip.
  I haven't added scans to my program and I haven't read about the 
  complexities of resolution & compression & whatever on an image. With that 
  wealth of knowlwdge, I'll pass along a suggestion from an earlier post on 
  LUG.
  Someone (I apologize for not remembering their name) suggested saving black 
  & white documents as greyscale, a smaller file than a save as color. I 
  assume .bmp or .tiff allows this. as .jpg works fine. As suggested in this 
  thread, check to see if the detail is acceptable.
  Regards, Jane Tripp 






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Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

2008-08-05 Thread Trippsibs5

Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is best
for attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a Source?  I know
these will open in any photo program so most people will be able to
view them just like they can a photo.

Thanks.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA


Cathy,
Another tip.
I haven't added scans to my program and I haven't read about the 
complexities of resolution & compression & whatever on an image. With that 
wealth of knowlwdge, I'll pass along a suggestion from an earlier post on 
LUG.
Someone (I apologize for not remembering their name) suggested saving black 
& white documents as greyscale, a smaller file than a save as color. I 
assume .bmp or .tiff allows this. as .jpg works fine. As suggested in this 
thread, check to see if the detail is acceptable.
Regards, Jane Tripp 




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Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

2008-08-05 Thread Gary Templeman

The difference between one generation and the next is not always visible, 
but if you compare generation one with generation eight it probably will be. 
Also, what you see on screen (equivalent to about 72 dpi) vs. a printed 
image may be different. You can't always rely on visual interpretation to 
decide if you are degrading the image (it will be if you edit and save), 
only if the result is acceptable to you.


Gary Templeman

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From: "Martin Briscoe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 3:54 AM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?



I would think the important thing is check the saved copy to see that you
have not lost any detail.  You can usually reduce the size of a JPG file
dramatically without losing anything important, you can always archive a
higher resolution copy if you think you might need to edit it at some time
in the future.  If a 50K file is perfectly readable then why use a 50MB
file?

Just don't overwrite the original high resolution copy of the file with a
lower resolution copy.


Martin Briscoe
Fort William
M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS






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Sent: 05 August 2008 08:01
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?


Of course, anyone getting a JPG file from you can open it and then save it
in TIFF format if they're concerned about data loss.







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Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

2008-08-05 Thread Gary Templeman

I want to comment on a few things in the statements below. You can open a 
JPG file as many times as you like and close it with no change. The word 
"save" is problematic because people use it in more than one context. You 
can send a file to someone and they can "save" it to any place on their 
computer with no loss. Saving is an issue if you are in an editing program, 
but you can move files around or email them with no concern for any loss. If 
you edit it in any way and re-save it there will be additional quality loss. 
However, if you open it and do some editing and select "Save As" and use a 
different file name, you end up with the original file unchanged and an 
edited (and slightly degraded) copy. Whether the changes from any single 
save are visible or not depends on a lot of factors, but the effect is 
cumulative. So the general recommendation is to always keep an archive copy 
of whatever image file you have and do all editing on copies. If you have 
the storage space, then a lossless TIFF is appropriate for storage of 
original images and scans. There is less benefit in converting an existing 
JPG to a TIFF *as long as* you work on a copy (or be sure to "save as"), and 
the two JPGs will usually take up much less space than the single TIFF. 
Converting to a TIFF does not gain back the previously lost data, it only 
increases the file size. Because degradation is cumulative, whenever 
possible when working with a lossy image, make ALL the desired changes 
(cropping, resizing, contrast, etc) in one session. As has been stated 
elsewhere, TIFF files are not always lossless either.


Gary Templeman


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From: "Barrie Smart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?


Depends on what the file will be doing. JPG files are "lossy" files, so 
they
lose some detail every time they're opened and then saved. Their benefit 
is
small file sizes (hence why they're almost the standard in digital 
cameras).

TIFF are "lossless" files, which retain their total information even after
multiple openings. With a scanned printed page I would think the lossy
factor wouldn't be of great concern, and if you use TIFF a save a lot of
files in this format, your overall data files will grow appreciably.

Of course, anyone getting a JPG file from you can open it and then save it
in TIFF format if they're concerned about data loss.

HTH

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Cathy Vallevieni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:



Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is best for
attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a Source?  I know these 
will
open in any photo program so most people will be able to view them just 
like

they can a photo.

Thanks.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA




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RE: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

2008-08-05 Thread Martin Briscoe

I would think the important thing is check the saved copy to see that you
have not lost any detail.  You can usually reduce the size of a JPG file
dramatically without losing anything important, you can always archive a
higher resolution copy if you think you might need to edit it at some time
in the future.  If a 50K file is perfectly readable then why use a 50MB
file?
 
Just don't overwrite the original high resolution copy of the file with a
lower resolution copy.
 
 
Martin Briscoe
Fort William
M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS 

 

 


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Sent: 05 August 2008 08:01
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?


Of course, anyone getting a JPG file from you can open it and then save it
in TIFF format if they're concerned about data loss.







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Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

2008-08-05 Thread Ben Wagner

Small correction, TIFF is actually a container file (basically like a 
filing cabinet).  The images "containted" within the file can actually 
be lossless _OR_  lossy.  Please reference:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tagged_Image_File_Format#Flexible_options

If you use TIFF (I do) and want lossless TIFF, be certain to check your 
options as you save the first time.


~Ben

Barrie Smart wrote:
Depends on what the file will be doing. JPG files are "lossy" files, 
so they lose some detail every time they're opened and then saved. 
Their benefit is small file sizes (hence why they're almost the 
standard in digital cameras). TIFF are "lossless" files, which retain 
their total information even after multiple openings. With a scanned 
printed page I would think the lossy factor wouldn't be of great 
concern, and if you use TIFF a save a lot of files in this format, 
your overall data files will grow appreciably.


Of course, anyone getting a JPG file from you can open it and then 
save it in TIFF format if they're concerned about data loss.


HTH

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Cathy Vallevieni <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is
best for attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a Source?
 I know these will open in any photo program so most people will
be able to view them just like they can a photo.

Thanks.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA




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Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

2008-08-05 Thread Michael Berry

According to one of the training videos you should use either .bmp or .tiff 
files.  The reasosn is that .jpg files loose data and quality if you edit 
them.

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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 1:45 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is best for 
attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a Source?  I know these 
will open in any photo program so most people will be able to view them 
just like they can a photo.

Thanks.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

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Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

2008-08-05 Thread JLB

Opening jpg's does not cause a loss in picture quality.  Only if they're 
repeatedly edited.

JL
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html

Barrie Smart wrote:
Depends on what the file will be doing. JPG files are "lossy" files, 
so they lose some detail every time they're opened and then saved. 
Their benefit is small file sizes (hence why they're almost the 
standard in digital cameras). TIFF are "lossless" files, which retain 
their total information even after multiple openings. With a scanned 
printed page I would think the lossy factor wouldn't be of great 
concern, and if you use TIFF a save a lot of files in this format, 
your overall data files will grow appreciably.


Of course, anyone getting a JPG file from you can open it and then 
save it in TIFF format if they're concerned about data loss.


HTH

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Cathy Vallevieni <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is
best for attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a Source?
 I know these will open in any photo program so most people will
be able to view them just like they can a photo.

Thanks.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA




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Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

2008-08-05 Thread Barrie Smart

Depends on what the file will be doing. JPG files are "lossy" files, so they
lose some detail every time they're opened and then saved. Their benefit is
small file sizes (hence why they're almost the standard in digital cameras).
TIFF are "lossless" files, which retain their total information even after
multiple openings. With a scanned printed page I would think the lossy
factor wouldn't be of great concern, and if you use TIFF a save a lot of
files in this format, your overall data files will grow appreciably.

Of course, anyone getting a JPG file from you can open it and then save it
in TIFF format if they're concerned about data loss.

HTH

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Cathy Vallevieni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is best for
> attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a Source?  I know these will
> open in any photo program so most people will be able to view them just like
> they can a photo.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Cathy Vallevieni
> Orange County, CA
>
>
>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

RE: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

RE: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?

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