Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing parent - child relationship
Yes, except that there are some relationships that I want to see. I mean, I've used these fields for all the exceptional conditions in my file and don't want to hide them. I'm still working on this one... haven't given up yet! Thanks, --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams - Original Message From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk snip In Report Options, on the Include tab, untick the option for Child-Parent Relationships. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing parent - child relationship
Glenn, Wanted to thank you again for your response. I think I may have misread it the first time, but now it makes more sense. As a start, I had tried citing a death certificate on a child's Child-Father Relationship and Child-Mother Relationship fields (as someone on the LUG list had suggested)... fields blank, but sourced. (I previously didn't know you could source a blank field.) Well, now these will print on all the reports, blank but sourced. Not what I was expecting, and I'm not sure it's what I want. I either need to set these to Proven or uncheck the box to print them... but then I won't see ANY of them. I will now look into using these specific Events, as well as the suggestion Jenny made here earlier. (Thanks, Jenny!) --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams From: Glenn Kinkade legacydal...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:31:18 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing parent - child relationship Paula, Legacy has two events you can use for this purpose: Parentage-Maternal and Parentage-Paternal. You can use this event, assign a source, and in your notes you can indicate this is a proven relationship (you have a birth certificate with child and parent listed), this is your hypotheses and explain why it is highly probable based on indirect evidence or this is your guess based on family folklore or some other information. If this information is for your research only you may want to mark the event as Private. If the parentage is not proven you can use the event to establish a ToDo item to record your research and hopefully prove the parentage of the child. Hope this helps. Glenn Kinkade Dalals, TX Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing parent - child relationship
Paula Ryburn wrote As a start, I had tried citing a death certificate on a child's Child-Father Relationship and Child-Mother Relationship fields (as someone on the LUG list had suggested)... fields blank, but sourced. (I previously didn't know you could source a blank field.) Well, now these will print on all the reports, blank but sourced. Not what I was expecting, and I'm not sure it's what I want. I either need to set these to Proven or uncheck the box to print them... but then I won't see ANY of them. In Report Options, on the Include tab, untick the option for Child-Parent Relationships. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing parent - child relationship
Paula Ryburn wrote How do you cite the source for knowing these are the parents of this child? I mean, there is not a field to attach a source citation TO. Maybe this is a silly question, but I have often wondered how to indicate that I know these are his parents because they are listed on his birth certificate, for example. Or I found his parents' names by looking at his birth certificate... Worded that way, do I cite the birth certificate on THEIR name fields? I use the child's Birth Certificate or IGI entry as a Source for the names of the parents, just as I use a Marriage Certificate or IGI entry as a Source for the name of the other partner in a marriage, where the first person already exists in my file. When using an IGI Birth or Baptism record as a Source I always put parents Joe Bloggs Fanny in the Source Detail Text (and tick to include in Reports) as this shows how I made the link between the child and its parents. Similarly, when using a Death Index as a Source I always put died aged nn in the Source Detail Text as this is often a confirmation that this is the correct record, if the place of death *and* age tally with known information. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing parent - child relationship
There is a place to record your source for knowing how you know who the parents are. On the individual screen, hit the source button, scroll down and your will see Father Rel: Mother Rel: That is where you can record a source for knowing how you know these are the right parents. michele - Original Message - From: RICHARD SCHULTHIES fourpa...@verizon.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing parent - child relationship Yes, but having a bitrh certifcate or bible record, unless there is evidence of error/fraud we do not do more than state the document exists, and allow others to decide the veracity of it. Rich in LA CA - Original Message From: Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:36:24 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing parent - child relationship First off, I am not talking about the child's relationship-to-father and relathionship-to-mother fields. How do you cite the source for knowing these are the parents of this child? I mean, there is not a field to attach a source citation TO. Maybe this is a silly question, but I have often wondered how to indicate that I know these are his parents because they are listed on his birth certificate, for example. Or I found his parents' names by looking at his birth certificate... Worded that way, do I cite the birth certificate on THEIR name fields? Am I way out in left field here? But that relationship is a key item that has to be proven / documented for a DAR application, for example. Thanks, --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.100/2375 - Release Date: 09/16/09 05:51:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing parent - child relationship
Paula, Legacy has two events you can use for this purpose: Parentage-Maternal and Parentage-Paternal. You can use this event, assign a source, and in your notes you can indicate this is a proven relationship (you have a birth certificate with child and parent listed), this is your hypotheses and explain why it is highly probable based on indirect evidence or this is your guess based on family folklore or some other information. If this information is for your research only you may want to mark the event as Private. If the parentage is not proven you can use the event to establish a ToDo item to record your research and hopefully prove the parentage of the child. Hope this helps. Glenn Kinkade Dalals, TX On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.netwrote: First off, I am not talking about the child's relationship-to-father and relathionship-to-mother fields. How do you cite the source for knowing these are the parents of this child? I mean, there is not a field to attach a source citation TO. Maybe this is a silly question, but I have often wondered how to indicate that I know these are his parents because they are listed on his birth certificate, for example. Or I found his parents' names by looking at his birth certificate... Worded that way, do I cite the birth certificate on THEIR name fields? Am I way out in left field here? But that relationship is a key item that has to be proven / documented for a DAR application, for example. Thanks, --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing parent - child relationship
Thank you everyone for sharing your thoughts and suggestions on this topic. Going back and adding the source for the parental relationship (and that's two fields per person) sound daunting today... over 2000 individuals in my DB (which I know is small compared to some of yours but...). I am in the process of really getting my files organized, so I will probably do this as I work through my direct lines as a first step. This would've been a good one to think of and ask back when I was getting started! Thanks again. --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams From: Glenn Kinkade legacydal...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:31:18 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing parent - child relationship Paula, Legacy has two events you can use for this purpose: Parentage-Maternal and Parentage-Paternal. You can use this event, assign a source, and in your notes you can indicate this is a proven relationship (you have a birth certificate with child and parent listed), this is your hypotheses and explain why it is highly probable based on indirect evidence or this is your guess based on family folklore or some other information. If this information is for your research only you may want to mark the event as Private. If the parentage is not proven you can use the event to establish a ToDo item to record your research and hopefully prove the parentage of the child. Hope this helps. Glenn Kinkade Dalals, TX On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net wrote: First off, I am not talking about the child's relationship-to-father and relathionship-to-mother fields. How do you cite the source for knowing these are the parents of this child? I mean, there is not a field to attach a source citation TO. Maybe this is a silly question, but I have often wondered how to indicate that I know these are his parents because they are listed on his birth certificate, for example. Or I found his parents' names by looking at his birth certificate... Worded that way, do I cite the birth certificate on THEIR name fields? Am I way out in left field here? But that relationship is a key item that has to be proven / documented for a DAR application, for example. Thanks, --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing an almanac
I would use David H. Brown as the compiler of record. Notes on the SW would explain why you did it. Then if more details are found later, you can change all you want. Rich in LA CA - Original Message From: Arnold Sprague aspra...@chicagobooth.edu To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 1:28:53 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing an almanac I found the death date and place of my 4th great-grandfather in the almanac described at the bottom of this message. To see the almanac, go to the link immediately below: http://books.google.com/books?id=_ZQVYAAJprintsec=frontcoversource=gbs_navlinks_s#v=onepageq=f=false. The issue for me is that there is neither an author nor an editor for the almanac and thus there is not, I think, a SourceWriter template for it. Even taking the non-SourceWriter alternative, an author is still required. I need some help on how to source the almanac. The only information I have from the front of the almanac is what I include below the plus signs. Thank you. Arnold +++ The American Almanac and Repository of Useful Knowledge for the Year 1841 Published by David H. Williams Boston Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing an almanac
Arnold, An almanac is actually a serial publication (or periodical). It is usually published yearly. Or at least - that was usually the intention. I looked this title up in WorldCat (www.worldcat.org) to see how it is usually cataloged. (You can do the same by simply going back to your web page, look under Get this Book and clicking Find in a Library). It is, indeed, generally entered as a periodical. I'm not saying you need to follow cataloging rules and practices; every discipline has its own citation needs. But it can give you a hint about how to proceed. (Many library catalog entries have to skip the author/editor, by the way. If it's not on the title page, it usually cannot be entered.) Many periodicals, like this one, can be cataloged as monographic books instead. However, in using SourceWriter it might work better to call it a periodical. This way you can skip the author/editor problem. Select periodical, and then either journal or magazine (since there is no option that really fits annual publication). Select online images and then proceed to fill in the rest. You probably use the repository to cite the URL. If you really want to stick with calling it a book, then select one that is edited. Try editor unidentified but known to see how the result looks. Of course, don't fill in a name for the editor. This does not give you the option for saying you viewed an online image, and an online book is not the same. If you use the book template, try the basic style. You can probably cite the URL where you found it in the repository area. I use Find in a Library quite a bit when I have citation problems. But then again, I'm a librarian! --Thena -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Arnold Sprague Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 4:29 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing an almanac I found the death date and place of my 4th great-grandfather in the almanac described at the bottom of this message. To see the almanac, go to the link immediately below: http://books.google.com/books?id=_ZQVYAAJprintsec=frontcoversource=gb s_navlinks_s#v=onepageq=f=false. The issue for me is that there is neither an author nor an editor for the almanac and thus there is not, I think, a SourceWriter template for it. Even taking the non-SourceWriter alternative, an author is still required. I need some help on how to source the almanac. The only information I have from the front of the almanac is what I include below the plus signs. Thank you. Arnold +++ The American Almanac and Repository of Useful Knowledge for the Year 1841 Published by David H. Williams Boston Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing an almanac
Arnold Sprague wrote The issue for me is that there is neither an author nor an editor for the almanac and thus there is not, I think, a SourceWriter template for it. Even taking the non-SourceWriter alternative, an author is still required. Just because Legacy provides a field in which you *may* input information, you don't necessarily have to use it. I think I would use the SW Template BooksBook, editedEdited by an agency and just leave the Agency/Creator blank or possibly enter something like various. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing an old wedding invitation
In my view, I think it is an artifact. Cheers Frances NZ --- On Tue, 1/9/09, Brian Beddor bbed...@japsolson.com wrote: From: Brian Beddor bbed...@japsolson.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing an old wedding invitation To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Received: Tuesday, 1 September, 2009, 12:41 AM I have an old wedding invitation that I'd like to use as a source. It has the name of the couple, the names of their parents, the date of the wedding and the location of the wedding. What would be the best way to source this using SourceWriter? The options under Marriage Records don't seem to fit. The closest that I see is Artifacts -- but I don't think of a wedding invitation as an artifact. Any suggestions? Thanks, Brian The information contained in this message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, dissemination or copying of this information is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and delete the message from your system. Thank you. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing an old wedding invitation
Brian Beddor wrote I have an old wedding invitation that I'd like to use as a source. It has the name of the couple, the names of their parents, the date of the wedding and the location of the wedding. What would be the best way to source this using SourceWriter? The options under Marriage Records don't seem to fit. The closest that I see is Artifacts -- but I don't think of a wedding invitation as an artifact. I don't think I would have normally used the word Artifact in that context either, but Legacy does and as one of the dictionary definitions of the word is Hand-made object, or other result of human activity such as a design or document I think they actually correct to do so. So go ahead and use the Artifacts template. I have done so for invitations and the like. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing an old wedding invitation
Scan a copy and put it in Legacy as a picture. Have a good day. On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 5:41 AM, Brian Beddor bbed...@japsolson.com wrote: I have an old wedding invitation that I'd like to use as a source. It has the name of the couple, the names of their parents, the date of the wedding and the location of the wedding. What would be the best way to source this using SourceWriter? The options under Marriage Records don't seem to fit. The closest that I see is Artifacts -- but I don't think of a wedding invitation as an artifact. Any suggestions? Thanks, Brian The information contained in this message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, dissemination or copying of this information is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and delete the message from your system. Thank you. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- Sharon L. Johnson grandmasharon1...@gmail.com Researching Ward/Parry/Goodsell/Hoopes/Chase/Gifford
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing
michael barberi wrote I find the source field very limiting. You can put in the source and some details. However, if you have multiple sources, some conflicting evidence, information that you believe you correctly analyzed and have reached a solid conclusion about, the Events/Facts is easier to use. You can always use the Comment field in Source Details to give as much information about the Source as you wish and to specify which particular part of the Event that Source relates to. I often put something like relates to place of Birth only in the Comment field. However, I am now somewhat at a loss as to the reason for your original post. You asked Should I be using the Master Source or New Source capability to document all information such as birth, marriage, death, regardless if I have the actual record or not? and a couple of us have replied yes, you should but you now seem to be saying you are determined to carry on using Events! Well, that's fine - you can carry on using Legacy any way you wish, many of us have lots of different ways of adapting the software to our own needs/preferences, but it does appear to mean we have rather wasted our time trying to answer your question. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing
Mike, You are free to use the Legacy fields in any way you wish. I was, however, describing what I would do based on the principle that I believe Sources and Events should be separated. I would not get duplication because I would not have the source details in the Event Notes. I emphasise, though that your choice is your own. Ron Ferguson _ Tutorials: Programme of adding videos commenced http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:32:01 -0700 From: michaelbarb...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Ron: I could simply use the Master Source/New Source for any event regardless if I have a copy of the actual record. For example, I still know the source and the details of the record. However, I have not used the Master Source/New Source capability for those sources that I don't have a copy of the record. I just put the information in the Event/Facts notes. If I also put the same information in the Master Source/New Source for the Event, it is like duplicating information. The advantage I see for putting record information in the Event/Facts is because you can see all such important information about the individual at-a-glance when you open the individual's file. Does this make sense to you? Mike In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus autem caritas. In essentials unity, in doubtful things liberty, but in all things love. St. Augustine (A.D. 354 - 430) From: ronald ferguson To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 2:42:13 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Mike, I think I see what you are getting at. If I am right, you are saying that when you have a copy of the record you then include the details in the Master Source linked to that event. This would be the correct procedure. With the other Events you must have received the information from somewhere and it is that detail which should be included in the appropriate source for that somewhere, eg. a website, email etc. When/if you manage to obtain the original record this can be added as another Source. It is quite acceptable to have more than one Source for an Event. It is unfortunate that at present one cannot link each Source to a particular field in the Event, although a note can be added with that detail should you so wish. Ron Ferguson _ Tutorials: Programme of adding videos commenced http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:36:51 -0700 From: michaelbarb...@yahoo.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com I am new to the Legacy User Group. I have over 3000 records dating back to the late 1500s. For many of these records, I have a photograph of the record. When I have a copy of such records, I use the Master Source List or New Source to document this information. However, for many records and other information where I don't have the actual document, I use the Events/Facts capability in Legacy. Read on. ISSUE: I always use the Events/Facts capability regardless if I have the actual record or just a recording of the information. When I use the Events/Facts for information, I describe the source and details of the record exactly. In other words, I document the information appropriately using genealogy guidelines. I like using the Facts/Events capability because a lot of important information can be seen at-a-glance when you open up an individual's record in Legacy. I have Event/Facts for: birth, baptism, marriage, occupation, residence history, death and cause of death, immigration, naturalization, etc. While all records and information has been documented using the Events/Facts capability, many records have not been documented using the Master Source/New Source capability (e.g., those records where I don't have the actual record). QUESTION: Am I using the Events/Facts capability correctly. Should I be using the Master Source or New Source capability to document all information such as birth, marriage, death, regardless if I have the actual record or not? If I should use both Legacy capabilities, does this not duplicate information? Regards, Mike In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus autem caritas
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing
Michael, I agree with both of Jenny's posts and would like to point out a couple more things. What you see 'at a glance' while running Legacy is not the only consideration. If you want to send a report (that includes events) to a relative about some part of the family, I think that your approach would look rather bloated with details. I find that relatives with a casual interest have little patient for plowing through long reports. To me, the event details should concisely summarize the gist of the event (unless telling a good story). Then the report can (optionally) contain footnotes or endnotes which describe the sources. The interested reader can follow up with you if they really care about exactly which facts were in a particular source. Within Legacy, you can see the answer to such questions with very few clicks, especially by using methods such as Jenny suggested. A picture of a source document is usually only of interest to the researcher(s) as a backup to the textual source information. If it is a special document of general interest, then you could add it to an event, but it usually won't display at a readable scale in reports. For conflicting evidence that calls into question a fact that appears in a report (or on the main Family view), I suggest bringing that up front by adding a note -- either in the Research Notes for the individual, the Marriage Notes, or an event note. For example, a research note could state something like the various censuses disagree on Jane Doe's place of birth, some placing it in NY, PA, or OH. In the actual birth place field, you could leave it blank or you could put the location that you sense is most likely. (I agree that if you choose to create a residence event for every census, then this would be redundant for the _careful_ reader.) Ward - Original Message - From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 5:26 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing michael barberi wrote I find the source field very limiting. You can put in the source and some details. However, if you have multiple sources, some conflicting evidence, information that you believe you correctly analyzed and have reached a solid conclusion about, the Events/Facts is easier to use. You can always use the Comment field in Source Details to give as much information about the Source as you wish and to specify which particular part of the Event that Source relates to. I often put something like relates to place of Birth only in the Comment field. However, I am now somewhat at a loss as to the reason for your original post. You asked Should I be using the Master Source or New Source capability to document all information such as birth, marriage, death, regardless if I have the actual record or not? and a couple of us have replied yes, you should but you now seem to be saying you are determined to carry on using Events! Well, that's fine - you can carry on using Legacy any way you wish, many of us have lots of different ways of adapting the software to our own needs/preferences, but it does appear to mean we have rather wasted our time trying to answer your question. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Thank you Jenny and Ward for you suggestions. My apologies if any of you felt that your suggestions were a waste of time. Far from it. I very much appreciated them and look forward to further advice and correspondence. By no means did I want to imply that my use of Legacy was correct or better than any suggestion offered. My comments were only to point out some issues I am aware of and my opinion. Please don't mistake my strong opinion for arrogance or dis-respectfulness. My opinion is not necessarily correct. However, I do like to argue my rationale. I am open-minded, regardless of how I may have come across. I probably have not been using Legacy's capabilities and guidelines correctly and mistakenly have emphasized some capabilities over others. Thanks to Jenny's and Ward's suggestions, I do intend to use the Master Source and now understand that it not as limiting as I thought. I have not used the other note fields within Legacy or footnotes as each of you have pointed out. I probably should have joined the Legacy User Group much earlier. I agree with Ward's comment that relatives are not interested in detail. To be honest, most don't even want a GENCOM FILE or a printout of the family file. Hence, the detail is mostly for me. I try to be concise with the detail. Hence, I will summarize all the residential history in one event, not an event for every US Census or City Directory. I am very interested if any of you have collected a lot of records and plan on writing a book. I have collected almost every Barbieri record available in the town of my ancestors from 1579-1900. Hence, these Barbieri's are close cousins, semi-close cousins, distant cousins and very very distant cousins. My collection includes notary records, Civil and Church records, the 1743 Catasto Onciario and Italian census records, etc. I have also traced almost every Barbieri from this town to the US. It has taken me 10 years and a lot of money. So, my family genealogy objectives have changed over time. It now has become almost a one place study. I continue to research today and it seems never-ending since there are always a few records and brick walls to scale. I will be writing a book, starting later this year, about the Barbieri's from Cerreto Sannita, Italy. This book will combine social history and family history. It will read more like a narrative but include charts, graphs, trees etc. This is a big under-taking. It will become my Legacy (no pun intended). Lol. Any suggestions or questions are welcomed. Thank you again Jenny and Ward for your suggestions. Regards, Mike Barberi In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus autem caritas. In essentials unity, in doubtful things liberty, but in all things love. St. Augustine (A.D. 354 - 430) From: Ward Walker wnkwal...@rogers.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 8:46:03 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Michael, I agree with both of Jenny's posts and would like to point out a couple more things. What you see 'at a glance' while running Legacy is not the only consideration. If you want to send a report (that includes events) to a relative about some part of the family, I think that your approach would look rather bloated with details. I find that relatives with a casual interest have little patient for plowing through long reports. To me, the event details should concisely summarize the gist of the event (unless telling a good story). Then the report can (optionally) contain footnotes or endnotes which describe the sources. The interested reader can follow up with you if they really care about exactly which facts were in a particular source. Within Legacy, you can see the answer to such questions with very few clicks, especially by using methods such as Jenny suggested. A picture of a source document is usually only of interest to the researcher(s) as a backup to the textual source information. If it is a special document of general interest, then you could add it to an event, but it usually won't display at a readable scale in reports. For conflicting evidence that calls into question a fact that appears in a report (or on the main Family view), I suggest bringing that up front by adding a note -- either in the Research Notes for the individual, the Marriage Notes, or an event note. For example, a research note could state something like the various censuses disagree on Jane Doe's place of birth, some placing it in NY, PA, or OH. In the actual birth place field, you could leave it blank or you could put the location that you sense is most likely. (I agree that if you choose to create a residence event for every census, then this would be redundant for the _careful_ reader.) Ward - Original Message - From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
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Mike, I think I see what you are getting at. If I am right, you are saying that when you have a copy of the record you then include the details in the Master Source linked to that event. This would be the correct procedure. With the other Events you must have received the information from somewhere and it is that detail which should be included in the appropriate source for that somewhere, eg. a website, email etc. When/if you manage to obtain the original record this can be added as another Source. It is quite acceptable to have more than one Source for an Event. It is unfortunate that at present one cannot link each Source to a particular field in the Event, although a note can be added with that detail should you so wish. Ron Ferguson _ Tutorials: Programme of adding videos commenced http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:36:51 -0700 From: michaelbarb...@yahoo.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com I am new to the Legacy User Group. I have over 3000 records dating back to the late 1500s. For many of these records, I have a photograph of the record. When I have a copy of such records, I use the Master Source List or New Source to document this information. However, for many records and other information where I don't have the actual document, I use the Events/Facts capability in Legacy. Read on. ISSUE: I always use the Events/Facts capability regardless if I have the actual record or just a recording of the information. When I use the Events/Facts for information, I describe the source and details of the record exactly. In other words, I document the information appropriately using genealogy guidelines. I like using the Facts/Events capability because a lot of important information can be seen at-a-glance when you open up an individual's record in Legacy. I have Event/Facts for: birth, baptism, marriage, occupation, residence history, death and cause of death, immigration, naturalization, etc. While all records and information has been documented using the Events/Facts capability, many records have not been documented using the Master Source/New Source capability (e.g., those records where I don't have the actual record). QUESTION: Am I using the Events/Facts capability correctly. Should I be using the Master Source or New Source capability to document all information such as birth, marriage, death, regardless if I have the actual record or not? If I should use both Legacy capabilities, does this not duplicate information? Regards, Mike In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus autem caritas. In essentials unity, in doubtful things liberty, but in all things love. St. Augustine (A.D. 354 - 430) _ Windows Live Messenger: Celebrate 10 amazing years with free winks and emoticons. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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michael barberi wrote Am I using the Events/Facts capability correctly. I would say that you are not. Should I be using the Master Source or New Source capability to document all information such as birth, marriage, death, regardless if I have the actual record or not? The Events/Facts fields of Legacy are for recording events in an individual's life and information about the individual. The Source fields are for recording how you came by the information that you have enter in Events/Facts. Where you have an original piece of evidence or a photograph of it, your Source is more reliable than those where you don't have direct evidence. You can use the Surety Level field to record how valid you think the evidence is. Someone being born in Anytown in 1800 is fact. If you know that because you have a photocopy of the Parish Register, the Parish Register is the Source and you can attach your photocopy to the Source Detail. If you have seen the Parish Register or a photocopy of it, it is still a Source and just as reliable but you have no picture to attach; you could, though, enter the wording in the Text field of the Source Detail. If you have only see a transcription of that Parish Register, the transcription is your Source but is somewhat less reliable. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Ron: I could simply use the Master Source/New Source for any event regardless if I have a copy of the actual record. For example, I still know the source and the details of the record. However, I have not used the Master Source/New Source capability for those sources that I don't have a copy of the record. I just put the information in the Event/Facts notes. If I also put the same information in the Master Source/New Source for the Event, it is like duplicating information. The advantage I see for putting record information in the Event/Facts is because you can see all such important information about the individual at-a-glance when you open the individual's file. Does this make sense to you? Mike In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus autem caritas. In essentials unity, in doubtful things liberty, but in all things love. St. Augustine (A.D. 354 - 430) From: ronald ferguson ronfe...@msn.com To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 2:42:13 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Mike, I think I see what you are getting at. If I am right, you are saying that when you have a copy of the record you then include the details in the Master Source linked to that event. This would be the correct procedure. With the other Events you must have received the information from somewhere and it is that detail which should be included in the appropriate source for that somewhere, eg. a website, email etc. When/if you manage to obtain the original record this can be added as another Source. It is quite acceptable to have more than one Source for an Event. It is unfortunate that at present one cannot link each Source to a particular field in the Event, although a note can be added with that detail should you so wish. Ron Ferguson _ Tutorials: Programme of adding videos commenced http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:36:51 -0700 From: michaelbarb...@yahoo.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com I am new to the Legacy User Group. I have over 3000 records dating back to the late 1500s. For many of these records, I have a photograph of the record. When I have a copy of such records, I use the Master Source List or New Source to document this information. However, for many records and other information where I don't have the actual document, I use the Events/Facts capability in Legacy. Read on. ISSUE: I always use the Events/Facts capability regardless if I have the actual record or just a recording of the information. When I use the Events/Facts for information, I describe the source and details of the record exactly. In other words, I document the information appropriately using genealogy guidelines. I like using the Facts/Events capability because a lot of important information can be seen at-a-glance when you open up an individual's record in Legacy. I have Event/Facts for: birth, baptism, marriage, occupation, residence history, death and cause of death, immigration, naturalization, etc. While all records and information has been documented using the Events/Facts capability, many records have not been documented using the Master Source/New Source capability (e.g., those records where I don't have the actual record). QUESTION: Am I using the Events/Facts capability correctly. Should I be using the Master Source or New Source capability to document all information such as birth, marriage, death, regardless if I have the actual record or not? If I should use both Legacy capabilities, does this not duplicate information? Regards, Mike In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus autem caritas. In essentials unity, in doubtful things liberty, but in all things love. St. Augustine (A.D. 354 - 430) _ Windows Live Messenger: Celebrate 10 amazing years with free winks and emoticons. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Jenny: You are probably right. However, I find the source field very limiting. You can put in the source and some details. However, if you have multiple sources, some conflicting evidence, information that you believe you correctly analyzed and have reached a solid conclusion about, the Events/Facts is easier to use. Additionally, when you pull up an individuals' file, you can see all important information about the person at-a-glance. If I did not put the source of the information in the Events/Facts notes, it would be incomplete and not clear where, how or why certains facts were determined or where I got them from. Of course, you can click on the source icon linked to the Event/Facts note, but all you get is the source information and the detail, not anything else to explain things. If you have multiple sources for each Event/Facts, it become highly complex. Hence, the information contained in all my Event/Fact notes for each individual is the same as what you would put in the Master Source, but much more information that can be understood and readily seen without searching though all the formal Master Sources. Perhaps I should use both, but it seems like I am duplicating information. I could be confused as to how to use Legacy, but this is an issue I recognize at the present time. I welcome your valuable experience and additional insight. Mike In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus autem caritas. In essentials unity, in doubtful things liberty, but in all things love. St. Augustine (A.D. 354 - 430) From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 3:08:51 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing michael barberi wrote Am I using the Events/Facts capability correctly. I would say that you are not. Should I be using the Master Source or New Source capability to document all information such as birth, marriage, death, regardless if I have the actual record or not? The Events/Facts fields of Legacy are for recording events in an individual's life and information about the individual. The Source fields are for recording how you came by the information that you have enter in Events/Facts. Where you have an original piece of evidence or a photograph of it, your Source is more reliable than those where you don't have direct evidence. You can use the Surety Level field to record how valid you think the evidence is. Someone being born in Anytown in 1800 is fact. If you know that because you have a photocopy of the Parish Register, the Parish Register is the Source and you can attach your photocopy to the Source Detail. If you have seen the Parish Register or a photocopy of it, it is still a Source and just as reliable but you have no picture to attach; you could, though, enter the wording in the Text field of the Source Detail. If you have only see a transcription of that Parish Register, the transcription is your Source but is somewhat less reliable. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Melanie, I am in England and am not sure what you mean. I do not know what a Marriage application is, unless you are referring to a marriage request from someone in the Armed Forces - if so can you say what year, when and which branch of the Services. You could also mean an application for a license, or the calling of the Banns (unlikely). You say and application *from* a soldiers Sailors Home. This is likely to be a Services Charity - do you mean an application for admission by someone? More detail would be appreciated. Ron Ferguson _ Tutorials: Programme of adding videos commenced http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:31:19 -0700 From: frances...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing question To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com I looked in the archives and couldn't find an answer for this. I have a marriage application from the GRO in England and an application from a Soldiers and Sailors Home. I'm using the Sourcewriter and am not sure where to look. Is there a Sourcewriter template for these types of sources? Thanks for any help with this. Melanie Armstrong _ Get the best of MSN on your mobile http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/147991039/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Ron, I have some sort of marriage application from the GRO. It has the individuals information and says certified copy of an entry of marriage the only other information on it is an application number and the date the copy was made so that's why I wasn't sure how to source it. The marriage was in 1858. the date the copy was given is March 28, 2006. Part of the document is cut off so I'm not sure what else is on it. The other paper is an application to be admitted into a Soldier and Sailors Home. Sorry for not beig specific enough. I hope this is enough information. --- On Fri, 7/10/09, ronald ferguson ronfe...@msn.com wrote: From: ronald ferguson ronfe...@msn.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing question To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 11:37 AM Melanie, I am in England and am not sure what you mean. I do not know what a Marriage application is, unless you are referring to a marriage request from someone in the Armed Forces - if so can you say what year, when and which branch of the Services. You could also mean an application for a license, or the calling of the Banns (unlikely). You say and application *from* a soldiers Sailors Home. This is likely to be a Services Charity - do you mean an application for admission by someone? More detail would be appreciated. Ron Ferguson _ Tutorials: Programme of adding videos commenced http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:31:19 -0700 From: frances...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing question To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com I looked in the archives and couldn't find an answer for this. I have a marriage application from the GRO in England and an application from a Soldiers and Sailors Home. I'm using the Sourcewriter and am not sure where to look. Is there a Sourcewriter template for these types of sources? Thanks for any help with this. Melanie Armstrong _ Get the best of MSN on your mobile http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/147991039/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Melanie, If this appears twice I apologise - I did send a reply but I don't think it went! OK, I will reply to the second part later except to say that there is not a template for it - artifacts is probably as close as you can get. I hope to get you sonme further information on the charity - I do know of it btw. The marrige paper which you have should be coloured green and is part of a copy issued by the GRO (General Records Office) of an original marriage certificate. The original is obviously with the married couple, so the GRO only issues copies. In full it contains where and when it took place, the names of the couple their ages (might just say full) occupations, addresses, names of their fathers and names of witnesses and who officiated. For the template Add a new Source Writer template by entering in the Search box marriage England. Ron Ferguson _ Tutorials: Programme of adding videos commenced http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:05:22 -0700 From: frances...@sbcglobal.net Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing question To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Ron, I have some sort of marriage application from the GRO. It has the individuals information and says certified copy of an entry of marriage the only other information on it is an application number and the date the copy was made so that's why I wasn't sure how to source it. The marriage was in 1858. the date the copy was given is March 28, 2006. Part of the document is cut off so I'm not sure what else is on it. The other paper is an application to be admitted into a Soldier and Sailors Home. Sorry for not beig specific enough. I hope this is enough information. --- On Fri, 7/10/09, ronald ferguson wrote: From: ronald ferguson Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing question To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 11:37 AM Melanie, I am in England and am not sure what you mean. I do not know what a Marriage application is, unless you are referring to a marriage request from someone in the Armed Forces - if so can you say what year, when and which branch of the Services. You could also mean an application for a license, or the calling of the Banns (unlikely). You say and application *from* a soldiers Sailors Home. This is likely to be a Services Charity - do you mean an application for admission by someone? More detail would be appreciated. Ron Ferguson _ Tutorials: Programme of adding videos commenced http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:31:19 -0700 From: frances...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing question To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com I looked in the archives and couldn't find an answer for this. I have a marriage application from the GRO in England and an application from a Soldiers and Sailors Home. I'm using the Sourcewriter and am not sure where to look. Is there a Sourcewriter template for these types of sources? Thanks for any help with this. Melanie Armstrong _ Get the best of MSN on your mobile http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/147991039/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp _ MSN straight to your mobile - news, entertainment, videos and more. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/147991039/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing question
Melanie, I think what you are looking for is SSAFA, this grew out of the Soldiers and Sailors Association, and you will find them at http://www.ssafa.org.uk/ . I would imagine that should you contact them, they may well be able to help with your relative, and may even give you any details they have, providing that it is not too recent. (As they are a charity the offer of a donation would not go amiss ;-) ) Good luck, Ron Ferguson _ Tutorials: Programme of adding videos commenced http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:05:22 -0700 From: frances...@sbcglobal.net Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing question To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Ron, I have some sort of marriage application from the GRO. It has the individuals information and says certified copy of an entry of marriage the only other information on it is an application number and the date the copy was made so that's why I wasn't sure how to source it. The marriage was in 1858. the date the copy was given is March 28, 2006. Part of the document is cut off so I'm not sure what else is on it. The other paper is an application to be admitted into a Soldier and Sailors Home. Sorry for not beig specific enough. I hope this is enough information. --- On Fri, 7/10/09, ronald ferguson wrote: From: ronald ferguson Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing question To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 11:37 AM Melanie, I am in England and am not sure what you mean. I do not know what a Marriage application is, unless you are referring to a marriage request from someone in the Armed Forces - if so can you say what year, when and which branch of the Services. You could also mean an application for a license, or the calling of the Banns (unlikely). You say and application *from* a soldiers Sailors Home. This is likely to be a Services Charity - do you mean an application for admission by someone? More detail would be appreciated. Ron Ferguson _ Tutorials: Programme of adding videos commenced http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:31:19 -0700 From: frances...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing question To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com I looked in the archives and couldn't find an answer for this. I have a marriage application from the GRO in England and an application from a Soldiers and Sailors Home. I'm using the Sourcewriter and am not sure where to look. Is there a Sourcewriter template for these types of sources? Thanks for any help with this. Melanie Armstrong _ With Windows Live, you can organise, edit, and share your photos. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing question
Ron, Thanks. Melanie Armstrong --- On Fri, 7/10/09, ronald ferguson ronfe...@msn.com wrote: From: ronald ferguson ronfe...@msn.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing question To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 1:02 PM Melanie, If this appears twice I apologise - I did send a reply but I don't think it went! OK, I will reply to the second part later except to say that there is not a template for it - artifacts is probably as close as you can get. I hope to get you sonme further information on the charity - I do know of it btw. The marrige paper which you have should be coloured green and is part of a copy issued by the GRO (General Records Office) of an original marriage certificate. The original is obviously with the married couple, so the GRO only issues copies. In full it contains where and when it took place, the names of the couple their ages (might just say full) occupations, addresses, names of their fathers and names of witnesses and who officiated. For the template Add a new Source Writer template by entering in the Search box marriage England. Ron Ferguson _ Tutorials: Programme of adding videos commenced http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:05:22 -0700 From: frances...@sbcglobal.net Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing question To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Ron, I have some sort of marriage application from the GRO. It has the individuals information and says certified copy of an entry of marriage the only other information on it is an application number and the date the copy was made so that's why I wasn't sure how to source it. The marriage was in 1858. the date the copy was given is March 28, 2006. Part of the document is cut off so I'm not sure what else is on it. The other paper is an application to be admitted into a Soldier and Sailors Home. Sorry for not beig specific enough. I hope this is enough information. --- On Fri, 7/10/09, ronald ferguson wrote: From: ronald ferguson Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing question To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 11:37 AM Melanie, I am in England and am not sure what you mean. I do not know what a Marriage application is, unless you are referring to a marriage request from someone in the Armed Forces - if so can you say what year, when and which branch of the Services. You could also mean an application for a license, or the calling of the Banns (unlikely). You say and application *from* a soldiers Sailors Home. This is likely to be a Services Charity - do you mean an application for admission by someone? More detail would be appreciated. Ron Ferguson _ Tutorials: Programme of adding videos commenced http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:31:19 -0700 From: frances...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing question To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com I looked in the archives and couldn't find an answer for this. I have a marriage application from the GRO in England and an application from a Soldiers and Sailors Home. I'm using the Sourcewriter and am not sure where to look. Is there a Sourcewriter template for these types of sources? Thanks for any help with this. Melanie Armstrong _ Get the best of MSN on your mobile http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/147991039/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp _ MSN straight to your mobile - news, entertainment, videos
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Ron, Thanks again. Melanie Armstrong --- On Fri, 7/10/09, ronald ferguson ronfe...@msn.com wrote: From: ronald ferguson ronfe...@msn.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing question To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 1:13 PM Melanie, I think what you are looking for is SSAFA, this grew out of the Soldiers and Sailors Association, and you will find them at http://www.ssafa.org.uk/ . I would imagine that should you contact them, they may well be able to help with your relative, and may even give you any details they have, providing that it is not too recent. (As they are a charity the offer of a donation would not go amiss ;-) ) Good luck, Ron Ferguson _ Tutorials: Programme of adding videos commenced http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:05:22 -0700 From: frances...@sbcglobal.net Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing question To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Ron, I have some sort of marriage application from the GRO. It has the individuals information and says certified copy of an entry of marriage the only other information on it is an application number and the date the copy was made so that's why I wasn't sure how to source it. The marriage was in 1858. the date the copy was given is March 28, 2006. Part of the document is cut off so I'm not sure what else is on it. The other paper is an application to be admitted into a Soldier and Sailors Home. Sorry for not beig specific enough. I hope this is enough information. --- On Fri, 7/10/09, ronald ferguson wrote: From: ronald ferguson Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing question To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 11:37 AM Melanie, I am in England and am not sure what you mean. I do not know what a Marriage application is, unless you are referring to a marriage request from someone in the Armed Forces - if so can you say what year, when and which branch of the Services. You could also mean an application for a license, or the calling of the Banns (unlikely). You say and application *from* a soldiers Sailors Home. This is likely to be a Services Charity - do you mean an application for admission by someone? More detail would be appreciated. Ron Ferguson _ Tutorials: Programme of adding videos commenced http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:31:19 -0700 From: frances...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing question To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com I looked in the archives and couldn't find an answer for this. I have a marriage application from the GRO in England and an application from a Soldiers and Sailors Home. I'm using the Sourcewriter and am not sure where to look. Is there a Sourcewriter template for these types of sources? Thanks for any help with this. Melanie Armstrong _ With Windows Live, you can organise, edit, and share your photos. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a Name Found in Obituary
On rare occasions, I have been able to put some of the text from the obit in a
search engine like Google, and find the newspaper online archives. Not saying
it would work, but it's a remote possibility.
Roxanne Baird
Chattanooga, TN
--- On Tue, 5/19/09, Pam O'Dell pamodel...@hotmail.com wrote:
From: Pam O'Dell pamodel...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a Name Found in Obituary
To: Legacy legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com
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Matt,
What if you only have a newpaper clipping with no dates or
name of paper?
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To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a Name Found in Obituary
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 20:58:13 -0500
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Actually the
obituary is not the source. The newspaper is the Source. The
Obituary is an Event and the text can go in the event
notes.
Matt
From:
k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]
On Behalf Of Frances
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:09 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a Name Found in
Obituary
The master source is the
obituary for Jane Smith I would think.
Regards
Frances
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I have a woman's obituary,
Jane Smith. In the article it list survivors as
daughter
Karen and husband Ray Jones. This obit is the only
place I have found Ray's name
and since it his mother in laws's obit I can't
figure out how to source his name.
Any help would be appreciated.
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RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a Name Found in Obituary
I agree that the source is the newspaper, so you would use the Newspaper SourceWriter template. To answer the question below, we actually wrote about this in a LegacyNews article. Read it at http://tinyurl.com/q8vjkg. Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation ge...@legacyfamilytree.com www.LegacyFamilyTree.com == From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Pam O'Dell Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:13 PM To: Legacy Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a Name Found in Obituary Matt, What if you only have a newpaper clipping with no dates or name of paper? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a Name Found in Obituary
The master source is the obituary for Jane Smith I would think. Regards Frances - Original Message - From: Pam O'Dell To: Legacy Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:51 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a Name Found in Obituary I have a woman's obituary, Jane Smith. In the article it list survivors as daughter Karen and husband Ray Jones. This obit is the only place I have found Ray's name and since it his mother in laws's obit I can't figure out how to source his name. Any help would be appreciated. Pam -- Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don’t worry about storage limits. Check it out. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a Name Found in Obituary
I would just source it to his mother-in-laws obituary. If it shows up in Jane Smith's obit, my guess is that you have sourced that obit. The reference to his name should be given the same source. Jackie Pam O'Dell wrote: I have a woman's obituary, Jane Smith. In the article it list survivors as daughter Karen and husband Ray Jones. This obit is the only place I have found Ray's name and since it his mother in laws's obit I can't figure out how to source his name. Any help would be appreciated. Pam Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don’t worry about storage limits. Check it out. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage1_052009 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a Name Found in Obituary
Pam: I would cite it the same as any other obituary. In the field for Text Comments you would either type the entire obituary or, if it's long you can extract and list the pertinent facts, including the daughter's husband's name. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Pam O'Dell Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 4:51 PM To: Legacy Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a Name Found in Obituary I have a woman's obituary, Jane Smith. In the article it list survivors as daughter Karen and husband Ray Jones. This obit is the only place I have found Ray's name and since it his mother in laws's obit I can't figure out how to source his name. Any help would be appreciated. Pam Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a Name Found in Obituary
While I have an event labeled Obituary where I would place the entire Obit into the Notes section, for the source citation I use the newspaper in which the obituary was posted as the source citation. That's how I handle them. At 04:51 PM 5/19/2009 -0700, you wrote: I have a woman's obituary, Jane Smith. In the article it list survivors as daughter Karen and husband Ray Jones. This obit is the only place I have found Ray's name and since it his mother in laws's obit I can't figure out how to source his name. Any help would be appreciated. Pam -- Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Dont worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage1_052009Check it out. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asphttp://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asphttp://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asphttp://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a Name Found in Obituary
Actually the obituary is not the source. The newspaper is the Source. The Obituary is an Event and the text can go in the event notes. Matt From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Frances Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:09 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a Name Found in Obituary The master source is the obituary for Jane Smith I would think. Regards Frances - Original Message - From: Pam O'Dell mailto:pamodel...@hotmail.com To: Legacy mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:51 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a Name Found in Obituary I have a woman's obituary, Jane Smith. In the article it list survivors as daughter Karen and husband Ray Jones. This obit is the only place I have found Ray's name and since it his mother in laws's obit I can't figure out how to source his name. Any help would be appreciated. Pam _ HotmailR has ever-growing storage! Don't worry about storage limits. Check it out. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutori al_Storage1_052009 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a Name Found in Obituary
Matt, What if you only have a newpaper clipping with no dates or name of paper? From: ehenders...@austin.rr.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a Name Found in Obituary Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 20:58:13 -0500 Actually the obituary is not the source. The newspaper is the Source. The Obituary is an Event and the text can go in the event notes. Matt From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Frances Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:09 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a Name Found in Obituary The master source is the obituary for Jane Smith I would think. Regards Frances - Original Message - From: Pam O'Dell To: Legacy Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:51 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a Name Found in Obituary I have a woman's obituary, Jane Smith. In the article it list survivors as daughter Karen and husband Ray Jones. This obit is the only place I have found Ray's name and since it his mother in laws's obit I can't figure out how to source his name. Any help would be appreciated. Pam Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don’t worry about storage limits. Check it out. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp _ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd1_052009 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing an estimated date
Pam O'Dell pamodel...@hotmail.com wrote: Does anyone know how to properly source and estimated date? What sources are you using to estimate the date? You would cite those sources, just as you cite a source (or several sources) for a specific date. For example, if you've found your person on the 1850 census, where he is listed as age 67, and you can't find him in 1860, then you might estimate his death date as 1850-1860. The sources would be the 1850 and 1860 census with a narrative explanation as to why you think he died during this time frame and what else you've done to try to pin down a more specific date. (Not finding him on the census alone would not be enough to be certain he died during that time frame). If this doesn't answer your question, please ask again with more detail. Connie Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Info From Someone That Is Deceased
Pam O'Dell pamodel...@hotmail.com wrote: I have photocopies of about 100 family sheets that my great uncle prepared back in the 50's (before I was born). Is there a particular way this type of info should be sourced? I would use the Family Group Sheet or ArtifactsPrivately Held template; I have found I have to leave some data fields blank or override the output to get them to read like I want. What about verbal info received from someone that is now deceased? I would probably use the InterviewsTranscriptsPrivately held template. (If you haven't written the verbal info down yet, do it now so that you have something resembling a transcript, and if you don't know the exact date of the interview give your best estimate). Hope this helps. Connie Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing an estimated date
Thanks Connie, your reply did help me. I am estimating a marriage date based on the birth year of the oldest child. I need to do this to submit the couple for temple work. I have sourced the date to me. Should I just add a note as to how and why I did that or should I do it another way? Thanks, Pam Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 20:56:41 -0700 From: clshee...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing an estimated date To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Pam O'Dell pamodel...@hotmail.com wrote: Does anyone know how to properly source and estimated date? What sources are you using to estimate the date? You would cite those sources, just as you cite a source (or several sources) for a specific date. For example, if you've found your person on the 1850 census, where he is listed as age 67, and you can't find him in 1860, then you might estimate his death date as 1850-1860. The sources would be the 1850 and 1860 census with a narrative explanation as to why you think he died during this time frame and what else you've done to try to pin down a more specific date. (Not finding him on the census alone would not be enough to be certain he died during that time frame). If this doesn't answer your question, please ask again with more detail. Connie Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp _ Rediscover Hotmail®: Get quick friend updates right in your inbox. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Updates2_042009 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Info From Someone That Is Deceased
Connie, this helped a lot. Thanks Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 21:06:21 -0700 From: clshee...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Info From Someone That Is Deceased To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Pam O'Dell pamodel...@hotmail.com wrote: I have photocopies of about 100 family sheets that my great uncle prepared back in the 50's (before I was born). Is there a particular way this type of info should be sourced? I would use the Family Group Sheet or ArtifactsPrivately Held template; I have found I have to leave some data fields blank or override the output to get them to read like I want. What about verbal info received from someone that is now deceased? I would probably use the InterviewsTranscriptsPrivately held template. (If you haven't written the verbal info down yet, do it now so that you have something resembling a transcript, and if you don't know the exact date of the interview give your best estimate). Hope this helps. Connie Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp _ Windows Live™ SkyDrive™: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_042009 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Info From Someone That Is Deceased
Or you could try the Traditions template; I didn't even realize that one existed until I just looked more closely at the drop down list! So you have at least 3 choices (not counting the Basic source format)...try them all out and see which works best for your needs. --- On Sun, 4/26/09, Connie Sheets clshee...@yahoo.com wrote: Pam O'Dell pamodel...@hotmail.com wrote: I have photocopies of about 100 family sheets that my great uncle prepared back in the 50's (before I was born). Is there a particular way this type of info should be sourced? I would use the Family Group Sheet or ArtifactsPrivately Held template; I have found I have to leave some data fields blank or override the output to get them to read like I want. What about verbal info received from someone that is now deceased? I would probably use the InterviewsTranscriptsPrivately held template. (If you haven't written the verbal info down yet, do it now so that you have something resembling a transcript, and if you don't know the exact date of the interview give your best estimate). Hope this helps. Connie Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Weather events
On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:20:46 -0500, Rochelle Coslow-Robinson mety...@gmail.com wrote: Secondly, is there a way to mass link 300+ photos to people without creating links to each person, especially group pictures? Or an Ltool that helps with this? No LTool right now. But it's been added to the suggestion list. I'd appreciate hearing feedback from others on this (off-list please). -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools/index.htm Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing information from individuals
Arnold, I think you will find what you are looking for in Chapter 3 of EE; with particular emphasis on the Quick Check Models 105 to 115. Chapter 3 does contain examples of how to handle e-mail and other forms of correspondence, though I don't particularly like the way the e-mail templates end up in Legacy. I used the Artifacts, privately held template to create the following source which I think is similar to what you are asking for: Jane Doe, Sheets Family Charts and Group Sheets, 1994; privately held by Connie Sheets, 2008. Ms. Doe, the great-granddaughter of William C. Sheets b. 1850, did not cite any sources for her information. [I've changed name and removed address info for privacy purposes for this post]. Hope this helps. Connie --- On Thu, 2/12/09, Arnold Sprague aspra...@chicagobooth.edu wrote: In the early years of my gathering genealogical information, it would come by mail with hand written notes, FGSs, census information, and on. Today, the same type info comes in, but mostly by e-mail. Either way, I have no real idea as to the validity of the information; all I have is the person's name, address, phone number, and, today, an e-mail address. I have not been able to find something in SourceWriter to cover unsourced information provided by a stranger. Nor in Mills' EE. The closest I can come up with is Personal Knowledge in SourceWriter and the same on pages 49, 155 in Mills' EE. Mills, however, requires that Personal Knowledge be first-hand knowledge. SourceWriter has its own caveat by stating that this person is a Researcher. The instances I am referring to are certainly *not* first-hand knowledge and the person providing the information is generally *not* a Researcher by any stretch. The word Gatherer is a far better descriptor. Is there something in Legacy's SourceWriter I am missing that is appropriate? If not, are there others on LUG who would like to see a source added for people who send us information? Thanks, Arnold P.S. Please do not flame me yet again for *wanting to use* and for *being dependent* on Legacy's SourceWriter. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing information from individuals
Arnold, I am sure there are as many ways to handle information that comes to us via e-mail, snail mail, or verbally as there are Legacy users. I can only tell you what works for me. I have two methods for handling information from individuals: 1. For information received from persons whose research methods are unknown to me or I know they are a gatherer, I put a summary of the information in Research Notes along with the person's contact information. I also note whether I have ever received information from that person before and my feelings as to their reliability. I do not add their information to my file until I have verified it. 2. For information received from persons who have proven to be good researchers and who almost always share their source of information whether it be a published record or contact with family members, I add the information to the appropriate person and source it as E-Mail, Family Group Sheet, Letters, etc. using SourceWriter. If the person has shared their source, I make a note of that in the details section. Sherry Fry - Original Message - From: Arnold Sprague aspra...@chicagobooth.edu To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:32 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing information from individuals In the early years of my gathering genealogical information, it would come by mail with hand written notes, FGSs, census information, and on. Today, the same type info comes in, but mostly by e-mail. Either way, I have no real idea as to the validity of the information; all I have is the person's name, address, phone number, and, today, an e-mail address. I have not been able to find something in SourceWriter to cover unsourced information provided by a stranger. Nor in Mills' EE. The closest I can come up with is Personal Knowledge in SourceWriter and the same on pages 49, 155 in Mills' EE. Mills, however, requires that Personal Knowledge be first-hand knowledge. SourceWriter has its own caveat by stating that this person is a Researcher. The instances I am referring to are certainly *not* first-hand knowledge and the person providing the information is generally *not* a Researcher by any stretch. The word Gatherer is a far better descriptor. Is there something in Legacy's SourceWriter I am missing that is appropriate? If not, are there others on LUG who would like to see a source added for people who send us information? Thanks, Arnold P.S. Please do not flame me yet again for *wanting to use* and for *being dependent* on Legacy's SourceWriter. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing information from individuals
In the old Basic Source I created a source named 'My official guesses' with this note in the title 'Based on dates recieved from various sources. I 'guestimate' dates from any documented ones, and locations from patterns of living at the time. DO NOT TREAT ANY OF THESE AS ACCURATE.' and the publication facts 'DO NOT TREAT ANY OF THESE AS ACCURATE'. I then put the details of my 'guestimate' in the source details. I currently have about 300 people who use this 'source', so when I find a fact, can confidently delete that use of the source. I suppose someone could fill in all the fields in the Sourcewriter with similar vaguenesses using your own name as 'creator'. Rich in LA CA --- On Thu, 2/12/09, Arnold Sprague aspra...@chicagobooth.edu wrote: From: Arnold Sprague aspra...@chicagobooth.edu Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing information from individuals To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Thursday, February 12, 2009, 11:32 AM In the early years of my gathering genealogical information, it would come by mail with hand written notes, FGSs, census information, and on. Today, the same type info comes in, but mostly by e-mail. Either way, I have no real idea as to the validity of the information; all I have is the person's name, address, phone number, and, today, an e-mail address. I have not been able to find something in SourceWriter to cover unsourced information provided by a stranger. Nor in Mills' EE. The closest I can come up with is Personal Knowledge in SourceWriter and the same on pages 49, 155 in Mills' EE. Mills, however, requires that Personal Knowledge be first-hand knowledge. SourceWriter has its own caveat by stating that this person is a Researcher. The instances I am referring to are certainly *not* first-hand knowledge and the person providing the information is generally *not* a Researcher by any stretch. The word Gatherer is a far better descriptor. Is there something in Legacy's SourceWriter I am missing that is appropriate? If not, are there others on LUG who would like to see a source added for people who send us information? Thanks, Arnold P.S. Please do not flame me yet again for *wanting to use* and for *being dependent* on Legacy's SourceWriter. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing information from individuals
The best thing, of course, is to find other documentation of the same items, so that you don't have to maintain such bits and pieces as real sources. For instance, if someone sent you a birthdate and place for someone - go get the certificate of birth or death to support her statement. Sometimes, of course, that is not possible. I often source that sort of thing as email or letter and transcribe the full text into the source notes. Then I tick the little box which prevents it from printing as a source. Janis On 2/12/09 2:32 PM, Arnold Sprague aspra...@chicagobooth.edu wrote: In the early years of my gathering genealogical information, it would come by mail with hand written notes, FGSs, census information, and on. Today, the same type info comes in, but mostly by e-mail. Either way, I have no real idea as to the validity of the information; all I have is the person's name, address, phone number, and, today, an e-mail address. I have not been able to find something in SourceWriter to cover unsourced information provided by a stranger. Nor in Mills' EE. The closest I can come up with is Personal Knowledge in SourceWriter and the same on pages 49, 155 in Mills' EE. Mills, however, requires that Personal Knowledge be first-hand knowledge. SourceWriter has its own caveat by stating that this person is a Researcher. The instances I am referring to are certainly *not* first-hand knowledge and the person providing the information is generally *not* a Researcher by any stretch. The word Gatherer is a far better descriptor. Is there something in Legacy's SourceWriter I am missing that is appropriate? If not, are there others on LUG who would like to see a source added for people who send us information? Thanks, Arnold P.S. Please do not flame me yet again for *wanting to use* and for *being dependent* on Legacy's SourceWriter. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] sourcing familysearch labs
I would consider FSL to be the repository, and the individual databases should be sourced based on what they actually are. For instance, Texas Death Certificates would be sourced under Death Records Death Certificates All countries except... Created at a state/provincial level online images. Obviously the usual caveats about referencing any of their text-only indexes apply, but since most of FSL's indexes are linked to scans of the original images, there's a good degree of confidence in most of their data. -Steve On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Bernard Doddema doddema...@gmail.com wrote: I've checked the archives and didn't see anything that really fit what I'm about to ask. How do you source FamilySearch Labs? Would I just be using online databases? Would someone be willing to share how they filled out the source info? Thanks -- Bernard Doddema, Jr. DoddemaGen http://doddemagen.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] sourcing familysearch labs
Some examples are: Netherlands Death Burials Netherlands Births Baptisms 1900 United States Census So for clarification, the above should be the source and only use FSL as the repository? Thanks for your time. On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Steve Voght stevevo...@gmail.com wrote: I would consider FSL to be the repository, and the individual databases should be sourced based on what they actually are. For instance, Texas Death Certificates would be sourced under Death Records Death Certificates All countries except... Created at a state/provincial level online images. Obviously the usual caveats about referencing any of their text-only indexes apply, but since most of FSL's indexes are linked to scans of the original images, there's a good degree of confidence in most of their data. -Steve On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Bernard Doddema doddema...@gmail.com wrote: I've checked the archives and didn't see anything that really fit what I'm about to ask. How do you source FamilySearch Labs? Would I just be using online databases? Would someone be willing to share how they filled out the source info? Thanks -- Bernard Doddema, Jr. DoddemaGen http://doddemagen.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- Bernard Doddema, Jr. DoddemaGen http://doddemagen.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a Birth Announcement
Alan Jones wrote: Sourcing a Birth Announcement I was wondering how one would source a Birth Announcement card one gets in the mail from the parents announcing a child's birth? They usually I create a source with: Source List Name - Birth Announcement - [person's name here] Type - Written Announcement Author - The person who wrote/sent it. Title - Birth Announcement of [person's name here]. Publication Facts - The date it was mailed/received (whichever you prefer) Text of source - The contents or the announcement transcribed completely. Source detail - Use the Source title. Works for me and gives all the information in a readable, coherent and understandable manner. -- Gene Y. n2kvs Researching Young, Zies, Harer Cox with Legacy Family Tree http://h1.ripway.com/egptech/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a Birth Announcement
Alan Jones wrote I was wondering how one would source a Birth Announcement card one gets in the mail from the parents announcing a child's birth? I would use Artifacts - Privately held. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a Birth Announcement
Gene Young wrote: Alan Jones wrote: Sourcing a Birth Announcement I was wondering how one would source a Birth Announcement card one gets in the mail from the parents announcing a child's birth? They usually I create a source with: Source List Name - Birth Announcement - [person's name here] Type - Written Announcement Author - The person who wrote/sent it. Title - Birth Announcement of [person's name here]. Publication Facts - The date it was mailed/received (whichever you prefer) Text of source - The contents or the announcement transcribed completely. Source detail - Use the Source title. Works for me and gives all the information in a readable, coherent and understandable manner. I really like your idea. It seems like they would already have that as a type... My wife was going though some stuff and showed me all the birth and marriage announcements she had collected... some current as a month ago some dating back several years. I figure they are as good a source as anything else and even started scanning them in to have on hand. thanks Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] sourcing a War Department Certificate
esh...@comcast.net wrote: If this certificate was passed down in the family, then it's cited like a privately held artifact. (EE 3.24-3.25, Basic Format, Family Artifacts, pp. 138-39; or QuickCheck Model, p. 105). Essentially, you give the basic who/what/when/where that describes the document, cite the current or last-known whereabouts of the certificate, and then cite the provenance of the artifact (the chain of title that would justify trust in its validity). Now that's the sort of information that I thought the check-box labelled 'Show Evidence Explained page and section numbers' would provide! But, it only seems to work when you serach using a section number from EE :-) -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] sourcing a War Department Certificate
I have a certificate from the US War Department, Army Service Forces, Corps of Engineers regarding a family member, who was most likely a civilian, participating in the Manhattan District, Tennessee Eastman Corporation, production of the Atomic Bomb in WWII. It's dated 1945. Would you show this event as a military event or what? Which source template would you use to cite this? Sheri, if he was a civilian, then this would not represent military service for him. It would be a job, handled the same way you'd handle any other job. If this certificate was passed down in the family, then it's cited like a privately held artifact. (EE 3.24-3.25, Basic Format, Family Artifacts, pp. 138-39; or QuickCheck Model, p. 105). Essentially, you give the basic who/what/when/where that describes the document, cite the current or last-known whereabouts of the certificate, and then cite the provenance of the artifact (the chain of title that would justify trust in its validity). Elizabeth --- Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Wedding Announcements
I would use the artifacts template. Seem to fit the bill nicely - don't fill in the boxes that don't seem to fit:-) -- Kind Regards Margaret On Behalf Of Bruce Jones Sent: Tuesday, 16 December 2008 10:09 a.m. Which template would you use to source a wedding announcement card? *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing emails
I am weighing in a little late on this topic. I use the new e-mail template exactly as it is, and am delighted with it. I do source each e-mail separately, cutting and pasting the content into the text tab. I have made an exception in a case where I have had ongoing e-mail discussion with someone on a particular aspect of research. In this case, I do cut and paste multiple e-mails into the same source, dating it something like Jan-Feb 2008. In the source list, I generally classify e-mails under the subject surname or subject geographical area, rather than by the author's name. When used as it has been written, the template creates the citation as recommended by Mills. I would not like to see it changed. I should add that I agree with someone's earlier comment that I don't often use an e-mail as a source, but there are certainly exceptions. I had some wonderful e-mail correspondence not long ago with a small museum curator, regarding a relative who was the fire chief of his small town around the turn of the century - complete with the photo of him sitting in the fire wagon, holding the reins of the team of horses. It required sourcing, and for my purposes, a source called e-mail would not be appropriate, regardless of the source detail. Janis Walker Gilmore On 11/24/08 5:57 AM, music-line [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for your responses. It appears that, from these responses that no-one is using the email template in the way it is designed. Although the responses represent a relatively small sample of those using the programme, the experience of people using the LUG leads me to believe that the programmers ought to be looking at a different format for this. I wonder if one option might be to group a collection of emails between two people of which each is both the writer and recipient. Best wishes David * David S Brookes Musical Director, The Brewood Singers www.brewoodsingers.co.uk Organist Choirmaster, Polesworth Abbey www.polesworthabbey.co.uk * Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing emails
Thank you for your responses. It appears that, from these responses that no-one is using the email template in the way it is designed. Although the responses represent a relatively small sample of those using the programme, the experience of people using the LUG leads me to believe that the programmers ought to be looking at a different format for this. I wonder if one option might be to group a collection of emails between two people of which each is both the writer and recipient. Best wishes David * David S Brookes Musical Director, The Brewood Singers www.brewoodsingers.co.uk Organist Choirmaster, Polesworth Abbey www.polesworthabbey.co.uk * Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing emails
I also never use the Legacy SourceWriter templates. It is certainly an option to group a collection of emails between two people of which each is both the writer and recipient. I do this myself, and I have also seen this sort of thing done in books where a collection of correspondence between two people is published with letters arranged chronologically. Pauline Seattle music-line wrote: Thank you for your responses. It appears that, from these responses that no-one is using the email template in the way it is designed. Although the responses represent a relatively small sample of those using the programme, the experience of people using the LUG leads me to believe that the programmers ought to be looking at a different format for this. I wonder if one option might be to group a collection of emails between two people of which each is both the writer and recipient. Best wishes David * David S Brookes Musical Director, The Brewood Singers www.brewoodsingers.co.uk Organist Choirmaster, Polesworth Abbey www.polesworthabbey.co.uk * Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing emails
Wynthner wrote Wouldn't the easiest way be to just create another Master Source Correspondence, Joe Bloggs-Fanny Adams I could do that, and almost certainly would if I had several instances of correspondence between 2 particular other people. Being a dedicated lumper, it goes against my grain to do that if it means numerous Master Sources each relating to just 1 item! So far, that's mostly the case. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a family association using SourceWriter template
Arnold, Personally I wouldn't consider the Strong Family Association to be the source, but rather to be the repository from which you obtained new sources. The actual source(s) would the data that they cite on the website (e.g. US census records, baptismal records, family histories submitted by other genealogists, etc.) Hopefully they list their sources, because otherwise I wouldn't lend much credence to what's listed there until I verified it myself with primary sources. Hope that helps, Steve Voght On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:04 AM, Arnold Sprague [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I gathered some new information on my Strong ancestors from the website of The Strong Family Association of America, Inc. http://www.strongfamilyofamerica.org/ejstrongne.html. I scrolled through Legacy's Source Template Index and am not sure that any of the entries will work for the association. I would like to source the Strong information I gather to this group, but do not know where to start. Help and thank you in advance. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a family association using SourceWriter template
(Re-sent in plain text because I forgot about this group's boneheaded no-HTML policy. Apologies since I'm sure someone will complain.) Arnold, Personally I wouldn't consider the Strong Family Association to be the source, but rather to be the repository from which you obtained new sources. The actual source(s) would the data that they cite on the website (e.g. US census records, baptismal records, family histories submitted by other genealogists, etc.) Hopefully they list their sources, because otherwise I wouldn't lend much credence to what's listed there until I verified it myself with primary sources. Hope that helps, Steve Voght On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:04 AM, Arnold Sprague [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I gathered some new information on my Strong ancestors from the website of The Strong Family Association of America, Inc. http://www.strongfamilyofamerica.org/ejstrongne.html. I scrolled through Legacy's Source Template Index and am not sure that any of the entries will work for the association. I would like to source the Strong information I gather to this group, but do not know where to start. Help and thank you in advance. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a family association using SourceWriter template
Steve, The Asscociation is a secondary source and the confidence should be recorded as such. BTW it is far from boneheaded to not accept HTML on a users site: 1) Read up on virus transmission in html emails 2) Some people have their email program set to refuse html 3) They are much larger than text files, so think of those how are not able to get broadband and must use dial-up - and pay on the size of the file. The latter point is also why the Legacy information at the end of every email should be trimmed. See Etiquette - that address is in the stuff at the end. Ron Ferguson _ *New Tutorial* Publish your Web Pages - Blogs http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:04:01 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a family association using SourceWriter template (Re-sent in plain text because I forgot about this group's boneheaded no-HTML policy. Apologies since I'm sure someone will complain.) Arnold, Personally I wouldn't consider the Strong Family Association to be the source, but rather to be the repository from which you obtained new sources. The actual source(s) would the data that they cite on the website (e.g. US census records, baptismal records, family histories submitted by other genealogists, etc.) Hopefully they list their sources, because otherwise I wouldn't lend much credence to what's listed there until I verified it myself with primary sources. Hope that helps, Steve Voght On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:04 AM, Arnold Sprague wrote: I gathered some new information on my Strong ancestors from the website of The Strong Family Association of America, Inc. . I scrolled through Legacy's Source Template Index and am not sure that any of the entries will work for the association. I would like to source the Strong information I gather to this group, but do not know where to start. Help and thank you in advance. _ Win £1000 John Lewis shopping sprees with BigSnapSearch.com http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/117442309/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a family association using SourceWriter template
Steve and Ron, Please do NOT hijack my thread. Start your own. Too often everyone goes crazy over posts like these and then those with helpful answers to me soon lose interest in the underlying post. Everyone, Please no one reply to *this* post. Thank you. At 10:26 AM 11/22/2008, you wrote: Steve, The Asscociation is a secondary source and the confidence should be recorded as such. BTW it is far from boneheaded to not accept HTML on a users site: 1) Read up on virus transmission in html emails 2) Some people have their email program set to refuse html 3) They are much larger than text files, so think of those how are not able to get broadband and must use dial-up - and pay on the size of the file. The latter point is also why the Legacy information at the end of every email should be trimmed. See Etiquette - that address is in the stuff at the end. Ron Ferguson Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:04:01 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a family association using SourceWriter template (Re-sent in plain text because I forgot about this group's boneheaded no-HTML policy. Apologies since I'm sure someone will complain.) Arnold, Personally I wouldn't consider the Strong Family Association to be the source, but rather to be the repository from which you obtained new sources. The actual source(s) would the data that they cite on the website (e.g. US census records, baptismal records, family histories submitted by other genealogists, etc.) Hopefully they list their sources, because otherwise I wouldn't lend much credence to what's listed there until I verified it myself with primary sources. Hope that helps, Steve Voght On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:04 AM, Arnold Sprague wrote: I gathered some new information on my Strong ancestors from the website of The Strong Family Association of America, Inc. . I scrolled through Legacy's Source Template Index and am not sure that any of the entries will work for the association. I would like to source the Strong information I gather to this group, but do not know where to start. Help and thank you in advance. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing emails
I source my emails individually, but I rarely use emails as sources. In the case of a long email exchange you could create one source for the entire exchange. I don't see anything wrong with that. So long as you, and anyone else, can find the sources later there should be no problem. Or use the Basic Source feature to create one master email source for the entire exchange. Terri - Original Message From: music-line [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 12:40:50 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing emails Hi everyone, I would value your advice on how to source emails. Is it the intention of the programme writers for us to source each email individually? Does anyone do this? In the source writer template for emails it gives the impression that this should be the case, giving fields for the writer, the recipient, and the date of each email. As a 'splitter', even I would find this somewhat over the top. I have a case when I have conversed with someone over a period of time. This includes mail backwards and forwards between the same two people. Even as a 'splitter' it makes sense to me to keep this 'extended conversation' as one master source, so that a discussion/cpnverstion can be followed. I can imagine many 'lumpers' putting all their emails to and from a variety of different people into one source called 'email' (and a variety of variations in between). I suppose the answer is to ignore the fields (or fill them in in a different way) or use the override feature for citations in the detailed source. I have to be honest and say that I have vowed to use the 'detailed source' as little as possible because of problems with editing later - I do wish detailed sources were attached and not copied - it would make editing easier. Does anyone use this template in the way it is intended by filling in all the fields? I can't understand the logic of 'encouraging' people to source individual emails on the one hand, and on the other hand lumping census information together according to year and county (as it is for the U.K. templates). I know individuals do source things in many different ways but I can't see the logic or consistency here of the programmers. Best wishes David * David S Brookes Musical Director, The Brewood Singers www.brewoodsingers.co.uk Organist Choirmaster, Polesworth Abbey www.polesworthabbey.co.uk * Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a family association using SourceWriter template
Arnold, I agree with Jennifer. I would use the Generic Website template for this. The Strong family association would be the owner of the website and probably the repository. If possible I would note the where they found the information that is posted so I can check those sources myself. Terri - Original Message From: Arnold Sprague [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 9:04:31 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a family association using SourceWriter template I gathered some new information on my Strong ancestors from the website of The Strong Family Association of America, Inc. http://www.strongfamilyofamerica.org/ejstrongne.html. I scrolled through Legacy's Source Template Index and am not sure that any of the entries will work for the association. I would like to source the Strong information I gather to this group, but do not know where to start. Help and thank you in advance. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing emails
David, I shouldn't think anybody uses that template as it was intended, I know I don't and never will. Apart from the Source name, believe it not, E-Mail the Master Source bit contains only my name as the repository. But it's in the detail that I really go to town, because here, in the Item Title box I write Email from x, set a surety level and enter the recorded date. To round off, I attach a copy to the multimedia file.Ron Ferguson _ *New Tutorial* Publish your Web Pages - Blogshttp://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing emails Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:40:50 + Hi everyone, I would value your advice on how to source emails. Is it the intention of the programme writers for us to source each email individually? Does anyone do this? In the source writer template for emails it gives the impression that this should be the case, giving fields for the writer, the recipient, and the date of each email. As a 'splitter', even I would find this somewhat over the top. I have a case when I have conversed with someone over a period of time. This includes mail backwards and forwards between the same two people. Even as a 'splitter' it makes sense to me to keep this 'extended conversation' as one master source, so that a discussion/cpnverstion can be followed. I can imagine many 'lumpers' putting all their emails to and from a variety of different people into one source called 'email' (and a variety of variations in between). I suppose the answer is to ignore the fields (or fill them in in a different way) or use the override feature for citations in the detailed source. I have to be honest and say that I have vowed to use the 'detailed source' as little as possible because of problems with editing later - I do wish detailed sources were attached and not copied - it would make editing easier. Does anyone use this template in the way it is intended by filling in all the fields? I can't understand the logic of 'encouraging' people to source individual emails on the one hand, and on the other hand lumping census information together according to year and county (as it is for the U.K. templates). I know individuals do source things in many different ways but I can't see the logic or consistency here of the programmers. Best wishes David * David S Brookes Musical Director, The Brewood Singers www.brewoodsingers.co.uk Organist Choirmaster, Polesworth Abbey www.polesworthabbey.co.uk * _ See the most popular videos on the web http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454061/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing emails
I don't use the Source Writer Templates at all, so far. But in my sources I put a Master Source for each person whose email I keep. All their individual emails are printed out in one continuous pdf. (To back up: I send any email I'm keeping to EverNote using the EverNote clipper button, toss a category name on it, so it's all lined up chronologically without any other fuss. Every few months, I print out entire categories as pdf's, and append to the end of others, if they exist, using my pdf editor.) I haven't gotten so far yet as to enter specific page numbers to reference particular uses of a compilation but I really could/should do that. - JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog music-line wrote: Hi everyone, I would value your advice on how to source emails. Is it the intention of the programme writers for us to source each email individually? Does anyone do this? In the source writer template for emails it gives the impression that this should be the case, giving fields for the writer, the recipient, and the date of each email. As a 'splitter', even I would find this somewhat over the top. I have a case when I have conversed with someone over a period of time. This includes mail backwards and forwards between the same two people. Even as a 'splitter' it makes sense to me to keep this 'extended conversation' as one master source, so that a discussion/cpnverstion can be followed. I can imagine many 'lumpers' putting all their emails to and from a variety of different people into one source called 'email' (and a variety of variations in between). I suppose the answer is to ignore the fields (or fill them in in a different way) or use the override feature for citations in the detailed source. I have to be honest and say that I have vowed to use the 'detailed source' as little as possible because of problems with editing later - I do wish detailed sources were attached and not copied - it would make editing easier. Does anyone use this template in the way it is intended by filling in all the fields? I can't understand the logic of 'encouraging' people to source individual emails on the one hand, and on the other hand lumping census information together according to year and county (as it is for the U.K. templates). I know individuals do source things in many different ways but I can't see the logic or consistency here of the programmers. Best wishes David * David S Brookes Musical Director, The Brewood Singers www.brewoodsingers.co.uk Organist Choirmaster, Polesworth Abbey www.polesworthabbey.co.uk * Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a family association using SourceWriter template
Imho, for what it is worth... The Website is the repository and the particular webpage is the source (and hopefully cites its source). --- On Sat, 11/22/08, Jennifer Trahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jennifer Trahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a family association using SourceWriter template To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 5:45 PM Steve: I would not say that the census records, baptismal records, etc. are the sources that Arnold should cite unless there are actual images on the website. Simply b/c he did not consult those if there are no images. The website can be the source. It's the same thing as having family histories submitted by other genealogists as your source. They are both secondary sources. Arnold: I used the InternetWebsite, generic source as my template for a website source. Here is an example of the output. Danny Lee Chatterson, Descendants of Leo A. Chatterson (http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/c/h/a/Danny-L-Chatterson/GENE1-0001.html : accessed 13 May 2007). You should probably put the association as the name of the website and just leave out the author, since they seem to be one and the same. From: Steve Voght [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 11:02:26 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a family association using SourceWriter template Arnold, Personally I wouldn't consider the Strong Family Association to be the source, but rather to be the repository from which you obtained new sources. The actual source(s) would the data that they cite on the website (e.g. US census records, baptismal records, family histories submitted by other genealogists, etc.) Hopefully they list their sources, because otherwise I wouldn't lend much credence to what's listed there until I verified it myself with primary sources. Hope that helps, Steve Voght On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:04 AM, Arnold Sprague [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I gathered some new information on my Strong ancestors from the website of The Strong Family Association of America, Inc. http://www.strongfamilyofamerica.org/ejstrongne.html. I scrolled through Legacy's Source Template Index and am not sure that any of the entries will work for the association. I would like to source the Strong information I gather to this group, but do not know where to start. Help and thank you in advance. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a family association using SourceWriter template
Arnold, Whilst refuting the allegation the I hijacked your thread, I will try and bring it back to the point, by saying that I would probably use Internet Website, Generic. Ron Ferguson _ *New Tutorial* Publish your Web Pages - Blogs http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:01:27 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a family association using SourceWriter template To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Steve and Ron, Please do NOT hijack my thread. Start your own. Too often everyone goes crazy over posts like these and then those with helpful answers to me soon lose interest in the underlying post. Everyone, Please no one reply to *this* post. Thank you. At 10:26 AM 11/22/2008, you wrote: Steve, The Asscociation is a secondary source and the confidence should be recorded as such. BTW it is far from boneheaded to not accept HTML on a users site: 1) Read up on virus transmission in html emails 2) Some people have their email program set to refuse html 3) They are much larger than text files, so think of those how are not able to get broadband and must use dial-up - and pay on the size of the file. The latter point is also why the Legacy information at the end of every email should be trimmed. See Etiquette - that address is in the stuff at the end. Ron Ferguson Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:04:01 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a family association using SourceWriter template (Re-sent in plain text because I forgot about this group's boneheaded no-HTML policy. Apologies since I'm sure someone will complain.) Arnold, Personally I wouldn't consider the Strong Family Association to be the source, but rather to be the repository from which you obtained new sources. The actual source(s) would the data that they cite on the website (e.g. US census records, baptismal records, family histories submitted by other genealogists, etc.) Hopefully they list their sources, because otherwise I wouldn't lend much credence to what's listed there until I verified it myself with primary sources. Hope that helps, Steve Voght On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:04 AM, Arnold Sprague wrote: I gathered some new information on my Strong ancestors from the website of The Strong Family Association of America, Inc. . I scrolled through Legacy's Source Template Index and am not sure that any of the entries will work for the association. I would like to source the Strong information I gather to this group, but do not know where to start. Help and thank you in advance. _ Win £1000 John Lewis shopping sprees with BigSnapSearch.com http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/117442309/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a family association using SourceWriter template
Terri Brown wrote I would use the Generic Website template for this. The Strong family association would be the owner of the website and probably the repository. If possible I would note the where they found the information that is posted so I can check those sources myself. I would use the same - and do so for several websites which pass on information from primary sources. There is a Source Detail field for citing ... and that is where one names the primary source. Unless and until one has seen the primary source, the website *is* the source one is quoting and the source *they* are quoting is an important pointer to the validity of the data. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing emails
music-line wrote I would value your advice on how to source emails. Is it the intention of the programme writers for us to source each email individually? Does anyone do this? In the source writer template for emails it gives the impression that this should be the case, giving fields for the writer, the recipient, and the date of each email. I hadn't yet looked at converting any of my existing correspondence sources and I am horrified to see the SourceWriter templates that are provided. There is no way I am going to create a new Master Source for every item of correspondence. Up to now my system has been to have Master Sources named Correspondence - Joe Bloggs, Correspondence - Fanny Adams etc. because all the correspondence I have cited has been between me and the person named in the Source Title. Now I realise that this won't work for Correspondence between 2 people neither of whom is me! I do have some letters like that which I shall be wanting to cite, so I need to think about how best to do so: perhaps by having a Correspondence - Miscellaneous and naming both sender and recipient in the Detail. Currently, in the Detail I specify whether letter or e-mail, the subject if e-mail and the date it was written -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing emails
Wouldn't the easiest way be to just create another Master Source Correspondence, Joe Bloggs-Fanny Adams --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Jenny M Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jenny M Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing emails To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 12:47 AM music-line wrote I would value your advice on how to source emails. Is it the intention of the programme writers for us to source each email individually? Does anyone do this? In the source writer template for emails it gives the impression that this should be the case, giving fields for the writer, the recipient, and the date of each email. I hadn't yet looked at converting any of my existing correspondence sources and I am horrified to see the SourceWriter templates that are provided. There is no way I am going to create a new Master Source for every item of correspondence. Up to now my system has been to have Master Sources named Correspondence - Joe Bloggs, Correspondence - Fanny Adams etc. because all the correspondence I have cited has been between me and the person named in the Source Title. Now I realise that this won't work for Correspondence between 2 people neither of whom is me! I do have some letters like that which I shall be wanting to cite, so I need to think about how best to do so: perhaps by having a Correspondence - Miscellaneous and naming both sender and recipient in the Detail. Currently, in the Detail I specify whether letter or e-mail, the subject if e-mail and the date it was written -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing emails
That would rather depend on how many hundreds of Master Sources one is prepared to tolerate. Ron Ferguson _ *New Tutorial* Publish your Web Pages - Blogs http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:10:27 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing emails To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Wouldn't the easiest way be to just create another Master Source Correspondence, Joe Bloggs-Fanny Adams --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Jenny M Benson wrote: From: Jenny M Benson Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing emails To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 12:47 AM music-line wrote I would value your advice on how to source emails. Is it the intention of the programme writers for us to source each email individually? Does anyone do this? In the source writer template for emails it gives the impression that this should be the case, giving fields for the writer, the recipient, and the date of each email. I hadn't yet looked at converting any of my existing correspondence sources and I am horrified to see the SourceWriter templates that are provided. There is no way I am going to create a new Master Source for every item of correspondence. Up to now my system has been to have Master Sources named Correspondence - Joe Bloggs, Correspondence - Fanny Adams etc. because all the correspondence I have cited has been between me and the person named in the Source Title. Now I realise that this won't work for Correspondence between 2 people neither of whom is me! I do have some letters like that which I shall be wanting to cite, so I need to think about how best to do so: perhaps by having a Correspondence - Miscellaneous and naming both sender and recipient in the Detail. Currently, in the Detail I specify whether letter or e-mail, the subject if e-mail and the date it was written -- Jenny M Benson _ See the most popular videos on the web http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454061/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing emails
I create a new Master Source for each sender and put the receiver and date in the Source Detail. Just my thoughts. Bruce On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Wynthner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wouldn't the easiest way be to just create another Master Source Correspondence, Joe Bloggs-Fanny Adams --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Jenny M Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jenny M Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing emails To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 12:47 AM music-line wrote I would value your advice on how to source emails. Is it the intention of the programme writers for us to source each email individually? Does anyone do this? In the source writer template for emails it gives the impression that this should be the case, giving fields for the writer, the recipient, and the date of each email. I hadn't yet looked at converting any of my existing correspondence sources and I am horrified to see the SourceWriter templates that are provided. There is no way I am going to create a new Master Source for every item of correspondence. Up to now my system has been to have Master Sources named Correspondence - Joe Bloggs, Correspondence - Fanny Adams etc. because all the correspondence I have cited has been between me and the person named in the Source Title. Now I realise that this won't work for Correspondence between 2 people neither of whom is me! I do have some letters like that which I shall be wanting to cite, so I need to think about how best to do so: perhaps by having a Correspondence - Miscellaneous and naming both sender and recipient in the Detail. Currently, in the Detail I specify whether letter or e-mail, the subject if e-mail and the date it was written -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] sourcing an edited work with many authors?
Dede, You are right, it is a lumping versus splitting debate and I am the former.It is, however, your choice. I use sources for what they are: a source for something which I have in an event - no event then no source. Hence my Master Source would be the Book details eg author, publisher etc. and the detail would be the page. I very much doubt if I would include any details as to what is on the page, but there is always the Text/Comments! Ron Ferguson _ *New Tutorial* Publish your Web Pages - Blogs http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 05:11:25 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] sourcing an edited work with many authors? I have recently acquired two books with lots of information about several of my family lines. These books are Heritage books, published by Heritage Publishing Consultants in Alabama. The books contain many stories, genealogies, and pictures from Alabama. They have published one for each county. The stories are submitted by different individuals and most of them have referenced the sources they used. I want to include the specific submitter as the author of the material, but I want to use the book as my Master Source. This will probably turn out to be a lumping vs. splitting question, but I don't want to get too far into this and have to redo all my source entries. Here are my options as I see them so far: 1. Have one master source - the book itself. Use the page number and name of the story as the source detail and put the submitter's name in the comments section with the detail. 2. Have a master source for each story that I am citing - sort of like EE 12.64 Edited Works: Citing Chapter Author I started out using option 1, but now I'm leaning toward option 2 because some of these stories have so much info that it might be easier to enter the detail, as well as find the master source I want to use from the list, if the story names are given. However, I can't find a source template that really works for this. I know I can create my own using the basic source writer, but I do LOVE the templates! I value the opinion of this group, since I've learned so much from all of you. Let me know what you think. (BTW - I know these are all secondary sources and not to be trusted, especially since I've found errors regarding my own gg grandmother, so I'll do the appropriate verifying. I just want to get this part right.) Thanks, Dede Holden _ See the most popular videos on the web http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454061/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] sourcing an edited work with many authors?
Dede: Personally I'd do it exactly as in your first example, but you really have to decide this one yourself. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dede Holden Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:11 AM To: Legacy User Group Subject: [LegacyUG] sourcing an edited work with many authors? I have recently acquired two books with lots of information about several of my family lines. These books are Heritage books, published by Heritage Publishing Consultants in Alabama. The books contain many stories, genealogies, and pictures from Alabama. They have published one for each county. The stories are submitted by different individuals and most of them have referenced the sources they used. I want to include the specific submitter as the author of the material, but I want to use the book as my Master Source. This will probably turn out to be a lumping vs. splitting question, but I don't want to get too far into this and have to redo all my source entries. Here are my options as I see them so far: 1. Have one master source - the book itself. Use the page number and name of the story as the source detail and put the submitter's name in the comments section with the detail. 2. Have a master source for each story that I am citing - sort of like EE 12.64 Edited Works: Citing Chapter Author I started out using option 1, but now I'm leaning toward option 2 because some of these stories have so much info that it might be easier to enter the detail, as well as find the master source I want to use from the list, if the story names are given. However, I can't find a source template that really works for this. I know I can create my own using the basic source writer, but I do LOVE the templates! I value the opinion of this group, since I've learned so much from all of you. Let me know what you think. (BTW - I know these are all secondary sources and not to be trusted, especially since I've found errors regarding my own gg grandmother, so I'll do the appropriate verifying. I just want to get this part right.) Thanks, Dede Holden Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing after GEDCOM import and merge
Thanks for that. I had completely missed that option :(. Just given it a quick test and it looks like it is just what I wanted. Now of course I have to go and compare all my GEDCOM files and put in the sources :-( Thanks again everyone. Regards Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sherry/Support Sent: Wednesday, 17 September 2008 10:34 a.m. To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing after GEDCOM import and merge Roger, Legacy will compare two Legacy Family Files under Tools Compare Two Files for Duplicates. GedMatcher will compare two files of different origins, i.e., comparing a gedcom with a Family File. Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Jarrett Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 10:43 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing after GEDCOM import and merge Hi Richard Thank you for your input. I think I understand what you are trying to achieve and I believe it would work. What would be good is if Legacy could compare two databases and allow tagging of duplicates without doing an import. That way I could quickly add the sources without the hassle of merging. Regards Roger Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1667 - Release Date: 11/09/2008 6:55 p.m. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing after GEDCOM import and merge
Does anyone know of a utility that would compare two Legacy databases? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Jarrett Sent: Wednesday, 17 September 2008 5:43 a.m. To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing after GEDCOM import and merge Hi Richard Thank you for your input. I think I understand what you are trying to achieve and I believe it would work. What would be good is if Legacy could compare two databases and allow tagging of duplicates without doing an import. That way I could quickly add the sources without the hassle of merging. Regards Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RICHARD SCHULTHIES Sent: Tuesday, 16 September 2008 7:27 a.m. To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing after GEDCOM import and merge Here is a way to 'confuse' the computer into helping you. It is neither fast, nor easy. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1667 - Release Date: 11/09/2008 6:55 p.m. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing after GEDCOM import and merge
Hi Richard Thank you for your input. I think I understand what you are trying to achieve and I believe it would work. What would be good is if Legacy could compare two databases and allow tagging of duplicates without doing an import. That way I could quickly add the sources without the hassle of merging. Regards Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RICHARD SCHULTHIES Sent: Tuesday, 16 September 2008 7:27 a.m. To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing after GEDCOM import and merge Here is a way to 'confuse' the computer into helping you. It is neither fast, nor easy. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing after GEDCOM import and merge
I have gone to tools and chosen compare to Legacy files for duplicates and it has done just what you describe. I am finding that my husband's family is related to more people in our area than even he knows... and have started saving obituaries from our local paper in a separate file. If I ever have time that I don't know what to do with, I open that file and start hooking people together. Every few months, I compare those files and move the ones that have become relatives over to my main file. It still shows up under Legacy 7 deluxe, but don't know if it's available in the standard version. Hope this helps. Gail On 9/16/08, Roger Jarrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know of a utility that would compare two Legacy databases? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing after GEDCOM import and merge
Roger, Legacy will compare two Legacy Family Files under Tools Compare Two Files for Duplicates. GedMatcher will compare two files of different origins, i.e., comparing a gedcom with a Family File. Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Jarrett Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 10:43 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing after GEDCOM import and merge Hi Richard Thank you for your input. I think I understand what you are trying to achieve and I believe it would work. What would be good is if Legacy could compare two databases and allow tagging of duplicates without doing an import. That way I could quickly add the sources without the hassle of merging. Regards Roger Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem
Jennifer, Sorry about the delay in coming back to you. but I up-date my website at the end of the month so during the last week of the month I get pretty busy. You comprehensive report seems to confirm the observations which I made and your conclusion seems reasonable. If you haven't done so already I would submit the whole of your e-mail as a bug report. Ron Ferguson _ *New* Insert Pictures Into your Web Pages - Blogs http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:41:02 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Ron, Thanks for taking a look at it as well. I have come up with the following: Basic Source A used to cite only husband's relationship to father and mother: Husband relationships: Father and mother - correct Wife relationships: Father and mother - Not sourced - correct Child-Par. Rel. for husband - no line appears, correct Child-Par. Rel. for wife - line incorrectly appears with incorrect husband's Basic Source A cited (same as your outcome) Child-Par. Rel. line for children: None shows - correct, as they were not sourced Basic Source B used to cite only wife's relationship to father and mother: Husband relationships: Father and mother - Not sourced - correct Wife relationships: Father and mother - Cited correctly with Source B No Child-Par. Rel. line for husband, wife, or children - correct Basic Source C used to cite only son's relationship to father and mother: Husband relationships: Father and mother - Not sourced - correct Wife relationships: Father and mother - Not sourced - correct Son's relationships: Father and mother - Cited correctly with Source C on Child-Par. Rel. line No Child-Par Rel. line for husband or wife - correct SourceWriter Source D used to cite only husband's relationship to father and mother: Husband relationships: Father and mother - Cited correctly with Source D Wife relationships: Father and mother - Not sourced - correct No Child-Par. Rel. line for husband or children - correct Child-Par. Rel. line for wife incorrectly cites husband's Source D; there should not be a Child-Par. Rel. line for wife SourceWriter Source E used to cite only wife's relationship to father and mother: Husband relationships: Father and mother - Not sourced - correct Wife relationships: Father and mother - Cited correctly with Source E No Child-Par. Rel. lines for husband, wife, or children - correct SourceWriter Source F used to cite only son's relationship to father and mother: Husband relationships: Father and mother - Not sourced - correct Wife relationships: Father and mother - Not sourced - correct Son's relationships: Father and mother - Both sourced correctly on Child-Par. Rel. line with Source F. No Child-Par Rel. line for husband or wife - correct FYI, I've also figured out that if I use either SourceWriter or Basic to source the relationship for the youngest child's father and mother, the Child-Par. Rel. line shows up on the husband using the source for the youngest child's relationship to the mother and father. It only works for the youngest child. I've tried doing it on all others, and no Child-Par. Rel. line shows up for the husband. So, actually, the problem lies with A) Placing a either a Basic or SourceWriter source for father and mother on the the husband causes the wife to have a Child-Par Rel. line on the FGR. B) Placing either a Basic or SourceWriter source for father and mother on the youngest child causes the husband to have a Child-Par. Rel. line on the FGR. It's not the SourceWriter vs. Basic Source, but rather the husband and youngest child. Jennifer --- On Fri, 8/22/08, ronald ferguson wrote: From: ronald ferguson Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 5:53 AM Jennifer, Congrats on all the work which you have put in on this. I have now had a chance to study effects in my own files, so firstly let us agree on one thing - that there is not a problem with the old style sources (please exclude Child-Par Rel from this for the moment). From now one I only used the Source Writer created sources, all in newly created files. The initial one I did seemed to produce a load of rubbish regarding the sources. I closed Legacy and reopened and they then seemed OK, although with some entries which puzzled me. So I then entered the details for another new family. This again was OK - again, exclude Child-Par Rel. In the first I has used the wife as the main person and in the second
RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem
Jennifer, Congrats on all the work which you have put in on this. I have now had a chance to study effects in my own files, so firstly let us agree on one thing - that there is not a problem with the old style sources (please exclude Child-Par Rel from this for the moment). From now one I only used the Source Writer created sources, all in newly created files. The initial one I did seemed to produce a load of rubbish regarding the sources. I closed Legacy and reopened and they then seemed OK, although with some entries which puzzled me. So I then entered the details for another new family. This again was OK - again, exclude Child-Par Rel. In the first I has used the wife as the main person and in the second the husband, all references were different to enable recognition). Summary for the second (husband as main person), excluding Child-Par Rel. Husband Relationships: Father and Mother - correct Mother Relationships: Father and Mother - correct Son: Relationship to both Mother and Father not given. Child-Par Rel. Husband: not given Wife: used the sources for the husband's relationship to *his* parents Son: used the sources for his relationship to his parents. Other Children: I did not enter sources for these and no entries were made for any of the relationships. I am not sure what this means except that more work is required to establish exactly what is going on! It may be that different circumstances are producing varying outputs and if so it is going to be a heck of a job to track down. It is also not clear when the Child-Par Rel will be created and how it selects the source(s) to use. To anyone joining this thread, please leave previous emails attached to help check questions and answers. Many thanks. Ron Ferguson _ *New* Insert Pictures Into your Web Pages - Blogs http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:42:34 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Elizabeth et al: I think I am finally getting somewhere. My sources were all SourceWriter. I deleted all sources for Charles, Blanche, and all children for Mother and Father Relationship. I then used a Basic source to source Charles' relationships with his mother and father. When I did this, the Child-Par Rel. line disappears from underneath Charles and all is well with him. The relationship is sourced correctly on the lines showing his parents' names. However, the wife, Blanche, still has a line called Child-Par Rel. and the Basic Source I used for Charles is showing up here, though it is not attached to Blanche for Father Rel. or Mother Rel. Now, I also then went back and deleted this Basic Source from Charles for Father Rel. and Mother Rel. I then put it on Blanche for Father Rel. and Mother Rel. Now my family group sheet looks fine. So it appears to be a problem with SourceWriter and with the husband. Whew! Bug found! Now I will report it to Support. Thanks everyone for all your help! --- On Thu, 8/21/08, Elizabeth Richardson wrote: From: Elizabeth Richardson Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 6:18 PM In a FGS, the parents of both the husband and wife are shown, when known, whether or not the relationship is defined and/or sourced. If it is defined and sourced, the source shows. When the child/parent relationship is defined and sourced, and the person is a child on the FGS, there is a Child-Par. Rel. line, the relationship is defined and the source given. I use the Basic Source only. Elizabeth researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson - Original Message - From: Jennifer Trahan To: Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem Elizabeth, Yes, you are correct in understanding what I am saying. Do you have an extra line on your family group sheet called Child-Par. Rel. under the wife's name? This is where I am finding the problem. In the family group sheet with Charles as husband, the line containing Charles' father's name says Jeremiah Pemberton...(Relationship) and correctly sources the relationship here. I think this Child-Par. Rel. line is only supposed to show up on the children and not on the husband and wife. Please let me know if you have this line. Thanks! Jennifer --- On Thu, 8/21/08, Elizabeth Richardson wrote: From: Elizabeth Richardson Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem To: LegacyUserGroup
RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem
Ron, Thanks for taking a look at it as well. I have come up with the following: Basic Source A used to cite only husband's relationship to father and mother: Husband relationships: Father and mother - correct Wife relationships: Father and mother - Not sourced - correct Child-Par. Rel. for husband - no line appears, correct Child-Par. Rel. for wife - line incorrectly appears with incorrect husband's Basic Source A cited (same as your outcome) Child-Par. Rel. line for children: None shows - correct, as they were not sourced Basic Source B used to cite only wife's relationship to father and mother: Husband relationships: Father and mother - Not sourced - correct Wife relationships: Father and mother - Cited correctly with Source B No Child-Par. Rel. line for husband, wife, or children - correct Basic Source C used to cite only son's relationship to father and mother: Husband relationships: Father and mother - Not sourced - correct Wife relationships: Father and mother - Not sourced - correct Son's relationships: Father and mother - Cited correctly with Source C on Child-Par. Rel. line No Child-Par Rel. line for husband or wife - correct SourceWriter Source D used to cite only husband's relationship to father and mother: Husband relationships: Father and mother - Cited correctly with Source D Wife relationships: Father and mother - Not sourced - correct No Child-Par. Rel. line for husband or children - correct Child-Par. Rel. line for wife incorrectly cites husband's Source D; there should not be a Child-Par. Rel. line for wife SourceWriter Source E used to cite only wife's relationship to father and mother: Husband relationships: Father and mother - Not sourced - correct Wife relationships: Father and mother - Cited correctly with Source E No Child-Par. Rel. lines for husband, wife, or children - correct SourceWriter Source F used to cite only son's relationship to father and mother: Husband relationships: Father and mother - Not sourced - correct Wife relationships: Father and mother - Not sourced - correct Son's relationships: Father and mother - Both sourced correctly on Child-Par. Rel. line with Source F. No Child-Par Rel. line for husband or wife - correct FYI, I've also figured out that if I use either SourceWriter or Basic to source the relationship for the youngest child's father and mother, the Child-Par. Rel. line shows up on the husband using the source for the youngest child's relationship to the mother and father. It only works for the youngest child. I've tried doing it on all others, and no Child-Par. Rel. line shows up for the husband. So, actually, the problem lies with A) Placing a either a Basic or SourceWriter source for father and mother on the the husband causes the wife to have a Child-Par Rel. line on the FGR. B) Placing either a Basic or SourceWriter source for father and mother on the youngest child causes the husband to have a Child-Par. Rel. line on the FGR. It's not the SourceWriter vs. Basic Source, but rather the husband and youngest child. Jennifer --- On Fri, 8/22/08, ronald ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: ronald ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 5:53 AM Jennifer, Congrats on all the work which you have put in on this. I have now had a chance to study effects in my own files, so firstly let us agree on one thing - that there is not a problem with the old style sources (please exclude Child-Par Rel from this for the moment). From now one I only used the Source Writer created sources, all in newly created files. The initial one I did seemed to produce a load of rubbish regarding the sources. I closed Legacy and reopened and they then seemed OK, although with some entries which puzzled me. So I then entered the details for another new family. This again was OK - again, exclude Child-Par Rel. In the first I has used the wife as the main person and in the second the husband, all references were different to enable recognition). Summary for the second (husband as main person), excluding Child-Par Rel. Husband Relationships: Father and Mother - correct Mother Relationships: Father and Mother - correct Son: Relationship to both Mother and Father not given. Child-Par Rel. Husband: not given Wife: used the sources for the husband's relationship to *his* parents Son: used the sources for his relationship to his parents. Other Children: I did not enter sources for these and no entries were made for any of the relationships. I am not sure what this means except that more work is required to establish exactly what is going on! It may be that different circumstances are producing varying outputs and if so it is going to be a heck of a job to track down. It is also not clear when the Child-Par Rel will be created and how it selects the source(s) to use
RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem
Jennifer: Without doing extensive testing, I can see that the relationship sources are scrambled as you say. If you report this bug I'm sure it will be corrected, and the fix will be retroactive so any of those sources that you've already entered will then print correctly. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jennifer Trahan Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 6:50 PM To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem I recently began sourcing father and mother relationships since Legacy gives the option to do so. For example, Charles Pemberton is shown in the 1860 U.S. Census with his father and mother, Jeremiah and Susanna Pemberton. On the assigned sources screen for Charles, I have Father Rel: 1860 U.S. Census - Michigan, Wayne and the same thing for Mother Rel. When I create Charles' family group record (with him as husband), I go to report options and select Child-Parent Relationships on the Include tab. In the family group record, a new line for Charles shows up called Child-Par Rel. I would expect to see the 1860 U.S. Census source referenced here, but it is not. For Charles' youngest child, Nellie, on her assigned sources screen, I have referenced 3 of her marriage records to Father Rel. and Mother Rel. These 3 marriage records show up in the Child-Par. Rel. field for Charles. They also show up for Nellie under Child-Par. Rel. They are supposed to show up for Nellie in that field, but why are they showing up for Charles? Shouldn't this field be for sources showing Charles' relationship to his parents and not his children's relationship to him? To confuse matters, for Charles' other children (Susanna, Dewey, Whitfield, and Martha), I have sourced their individual marriage records to Father Rel. and Mother Rel. on their individual assigned sources screens. These do NOT show up in Charles' Child-Par Rel. field on the Family Group Record. I have no idea why Nellie's randomly shows up incorrectly and not the other childrens'. Why don't they all show up incorrectly? And, finally, to confuse matters again, in the Child-Par. Rel. field for Charles' wife, Blanche, the 1860 U.S. Census - Michigan, Wayne for the household of Jeremiah and Susanna Pemberton is referenced. However, Blanche was a child in 1860 and not yet married to Charles. She did not live in the household of Charles and his parents, and neither is this source accidentally attached to her anywhere in her assigned sources screen. I have double checked all source citations on all the individuals' assigned sources screen to make sure I did not attach a source incorrectly. Is this a bug of some sort? Has anyone else had this problem? I did a check/repair file just to make sure, and the same problem occurs. I've also noticed once before on my file ID report that for father rel. and mother rel. citations, the wrong name shows up for a particular file ID. I think I will quit sourcing father/mother relationships for now and not include them in my family group record. However, I would like to be able to do so in the future. Jennifer Trahan Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem
Kirsten, Without at least doing a File Maintenance/Check Repair on the files I would be very loath to say it's a bug, it could well be due to corrupted files or incorrect entries (and I have no time to check this today), and these are just two possibilities off the top of my head. It should be remembered that many of the problems initially described on LUG as a bug turn out to be an Oh! I thought I'd set that or a misunderstanding as to what the expected input/output should be. Ron Ferguson _ *New* Insert Pictures Into your Web Pages - Blogs http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:10:02 -0700 Jennifer: Without doing extensive testing, I can see that the relationship sources are scrambled as you say. If you report this bug I'm sure it will be corrected, and the fix will be retroactive so any of those sources that you've already entered will then print correctly. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jennifer Trahan Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 6:50 PM To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem I recently began sourcing father and mother relationships since Legacy gives the option to do so. For example, Charles Pemberton is shown in the 1860 U.S. Census with his father and mother, Jeremiah and Susanna Pemberton. On the assigned sources screen for Charles, I have Father Rel: 1860 U.S. Census - Michigan, Wayne and the same thing for Mother Rel. When I create Charles' family group record (with him as husband), I go to report options and select Child-Parent Relationships on the Include tab. In the family group record, a new line for Charles shows up called Child-Par Rel. I would expect to see the 1860 U.S. Census source referenced here, but it is not. For Charles' youngest child, Nellie, on her assigned sources screen, I have referenced 3 of her marriage records to Father Rel. and Mother Rel. These 3 marriage records show up in the Child-Par. Rel. field for Charles. They also show up for Nellie under Child-Par. Rel. They are supposed to show up for Nellie in that field, but why are they showing up for Charles? Shouldn't this field be for sources showing Charles' relationship to his parents and not his children's relationship to him? To confuse matters, for Charles' other children (Susanna, Dewey, Whitfield, and Martha), I have sourced their individual marriage records to Father Rel. and Mother Rel. on their individual assigned sources screens. These do NOT show up in Charles' Child-Par Rel. field on the Family Group Record. I have no idea why Nellie's randomly shows up incorrectly and not the other childrens'. Why don't they all show up incorrectly? And, finally, to confuse matters again, in the Child-Par. Rel. field for Charles' wife, Blanche, the 1860 U.S. Census - Michigan, Wayne for the household of Jeremiah and Susanna Pemberton is referenced. However, Blanche was a child in 1860 and not yet married to Charles. She did not live in the household of Charles and his parents, and neither is this source accidentally attached to her anywhere in her assigned sources screen. I have double checked all source citations on all the individuals' assigned sources screen to make sure I did not attach a source incorrectly. Is this a bug of some sort? Has anyone else had this problem? I did a check/repair file just to make sure, and the same problem occurs. I've also noticed once before on my file ID report that for father rel. and mother rel. citations, the wrong name shows up for a particular file ID. I think I will quit sourcing father/mother relationships for now and not include them in my family group record. However, I would like to be able to do so in the future. Jennifer Trahan _ Win New York holidays with Kellogg’s Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/107571440/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:51:35 +0100, ronald ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without at least doing a File Maintenance/Check Repair on the files I would be very loath to say it's a bug, it could well be due to corrupted files If something gets corrupted, I would be more inclined to lean toward a .usr file. Maybe closing Legacy and deleting FGS.usr might be in order. -- Dennis Kowallek [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.kowallekfamily.com www.leedna.com P.S. Emails not of Content-Type: text/plain are deleted before ever reaching my inbox. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem
Dennis, I do agree, but this morning I was on my way out and have only just returned. On a quick read through the email I was not convinced anything is wrong, or to be more accurate, if there is, it is somewhat less then supposed. It is still unlikely that I will be able to do a proper comparison this evening, but will be able to take a look tomorrow. Ron Ferguson _ *New* Insert Pictures Into your Web Pages - Blogs http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:34:59 -0400 On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:51:35 +0100, ronald ferguson wrote: Without at least doing a File Maintenance/Check Repair on the files I would be very loath to say it's a bug, it could well be due to corrupted files If something gets corrupted, I would be more inclined to lean toward a .usr file. Maybe closing Legacy and deleting FGS.usr might be in order. -- Dennis Kowallek [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.kowallekfamily.com www.leedna.com P.S. Emails not of Content-Type: text/plain are deleted before ever reaching my inbox. *** _ Win New York holidays with Kellogg’s Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/107571440/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem
Dennis: I have done a file maintenance/check repair. The same thing keeps occuring. I ran some other family group sheets on other families, and the same kinds of things also occurred. I have a second database. I will try it with that one tonight. Ron: Thanks in advance for taking a look at it when you get time. It's almost like Legacy is taking the youngest child's sources for Child-Parent Relationship and moving them to the husband and taking the husband's and moving them to the wife. What I didn't add earlier is that under the husband, Charles, on the line for his father, after his father's name, it shows (Relationship) with the 1860 U.S. Census properly cited here. This does the same thing for the wife, Blanche, with the sources for her properly cited. I am beginning to think this is what the Child-Parent Relatiosnhips is supposed to look like on the family group sheet for the husband and wife, so I'm not sure why it adds an extra line called Child-Par Rel. with the wrong sources attached. Maybe this extra line called Child-Par Rel. is only supposed to be added for the children of Charles and Blanche, since there would be no line under each child for Father and Mother. The children all seem to have the proper sources on this Child-Par Rel. line. Jennifer --- On Thu, 8/21/08, ronald ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: ronald ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 11:27 AM Dennis, I do agree, but this morning I was on my way out and have only just returned. On a quick read through the email I was not convinced anything is wrong, or to be more accurate, if there is, it is somewhat less then supposed. It is still unlikely that I will be able to do a proper comparison this evening, but will be able to take a look tomorrow. Ron Ferguson _ *New* Insert Pictures Into your Web Pages - Blogs http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:34:59 -0400 On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:51:35 +0100, ronald ferguson wrote: Without at least doing a File Maintenance/Check Repair on the files I would be very loath to say it's a bug, it could well be due to corrupted files If something gets corrupted, I would be more inclined to lean toward a .usr file. Maybe closing Legacy and deleting FGS.usr might be in order. -- Dennis Kowallek [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.kowallekfamily.com www.leedna.com P.S. Emails not of Content-Type: text/plain are deleted before ever reaching my inbox. *** _ Win New York holidays with Kellogg’s Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/107571440/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:59:48 -0700 (PDT), Jennifer Trahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dennis: I have done a file maintenance/check repair. The same thing keeps occuring. I ran some other family group sheets on other families, and the same kinds of things also occurred. I have a second database. I will try it with that one tonight. Ron: Thanks in advance for taking a look at it when you get time. It's almost like Legacy is taking the youngest child's sources for Child-Parent Relationship and moving them to the husband and taking the husband's and moving them to the wife. What I didn't add earlier is that under the husband, Charles, on the line for his father, after his father's name, it shows (Relationship) with the 1860 U.S. Census properly cited here. This does the same thing for the wife, Blanche, with the sources for her properly cited. I am beginning to think this is what the Child-Parent Relatiosnhips is supposed to look like on the family group sheet for the husband and wife, so I'm not sure why it adds an extra line called Child-Par Rel. with the wrong sources attached. Maybe this extra line called Child-Par Rel. is only supposed to be added for the children of Charles and Blanche, since there would be no line under each child for Father and Mother. The children all seem to have the proper sources on this Child-Par Rel. line. Did you mention what version of Legacy you are running? -- Dennis Kowallek [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.kowallekfamily.com www.leedna.com P.S. Emails not of Content-Type: text/plain are deleted before ever reaching my inbox. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem
Dennis: Sorry, forgot to mention that. It is 7.0.0.55. I never tried sourcing relationships in any previous version, so I couldn't say whether there was a problem or not in the past. Jennifer --- On Thu, 8/21/08, Dennis M. Kowallek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dennis M. Kowallek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 1:23 PM On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:59:48 -0700 (PDT), Jennifer Trahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dennis: I have done a file maintenance/check repair. The same thing keeps occuring. I ran some other family group sheets on other families, and the same kinds of things also occurred. I have a second database. I will try it with that one tonight. Ron: Thanks in advance for taking a look at it when you get time. It's almost like Legacy is taking the youngest child's sources for Child-Parent Relationship and moving them to the husband and taking the husband's and moving them to the wife. What I didn't add earlier is that under the husband, Charles, on the line for his father, after his father's name, it shows (Relationship) with the 1860 U.S. Census properly cited here. This does the same thing for the wife, Blanche, with the sources for her properly cited. I am beginning to think this is what the Child-Parent Relatiosnhips is supposed to look like on the family group sheet for the husband and wife, so I'm not sure why it adds an extra line called Child-Par Rel. with the wrong sources attached. Maybe this extra line called Child-Par Rel. is only supposed to be added for the children of Charles and Blanche, since there would be no line under each child for Father and Mother. The children all seem to have the proper sources on this Child-Par Rel. line. Did you mention what version of Legacy you are running? -- Dennis Kowallek [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.kowallekfamily.com www.leedna.com P.S. Emails not of Content-Type: text/plain are deleted before ever reaching my inbox. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:50:20 -0700 (PDT), Jennifer Trahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this a bug of some sort? I have just tried sourcing a few child-parent relationships and am getting very strange results on the Family Group Record in V6. I sourced mine with source A and my daughter's with source B (I did not source my wife). The FGS shows me and my daughter with source B, and my wife with source A. So something is fishy... If you are using V7, I suggest you report your findings to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as a bug along with the steps they need to take to reproduce the problem. -- Dennis Kowallek [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.kowallekfamily.com www.leedna.com P.S. Emails not of Content-Type: text/plain are deleted before ever reaching my inbox. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem
If I understand what you are doing: you have Charles relationship to his parents sourced, but when you choose that option when he is the parent, you are expecting to see the source of this relationship in a family group sheet. When I do this, I get the anticipated result. That is, I have a child whose relationship is biological and have sourced that information. This relationship with her father, biological, is stated on her family group record when she is a mother, and it is sourced correctly. I have 7.0.0.55, so I do not think this is a bug, at least in the Basic Source system. Elizabeth researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson - Original Message - From: Jennifer Trahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 5:50 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem I recently began sourcing father and mother relationships since Legacy gives the option to do so. For example, Charles Pemberton is shown in the 1860 U.S. Census with his father and mother, Jeremiah and Susanna Pemberton. On the assigned sources screen for Charles, I have Father Rel: 1860 U.S. Census - Michigan, Wayne and the same thing for Mother Rel. When I create Charles' family group record (with him as husband), I go to report options and select Child-Parent Relationships on the Include tab. In the family group record, a new line for Charles shows up called Child-Par Rel. I would expect to see the 1860 U.S. Census source referenced here, but it is not. For Charles' youngest child, Nellie, on her assigned sources screen, I have referenced 3 of her marriage records to Father Rel. and Mother Rel. These 3 marriage records show up in the Child-Par. Rel. field for Charles. They also show up for Nellie under Child-Par. Rel. They are supposed to show up for Nellie in that field, but why are they showing up for Charles? Shouldn't this field be for sources showing Charles' relationship to his parents and not his children's relationship to him? To confuse matters, for Charles' other children (Susanna, Dewey, Whitfield, and Martha), I have sourced their individual marriage records to Father Rel. and Mother Rel. on their individual assigned sources screens. These do NOT show up in Charles' Child-Par Rel. field on the Family Group Record. I have no idea why Nellie's randomly shows up incorrectly and not the other childrens'. Why don't they all show up incorrectly? And, finally, to confuse matters again, in the Child-Par. Rel. field for Charles' wife, Blanche, the 1860 U.S. Census - Michigan, Wayne for the household of Jeremiah and Susanna Pemberton is referenced. However, Blanche was a child in 1860 and not yet married to Charles. She did not live in the household of Charles and his parents, and neither is this source accidentally attached to her anywhere in her assigned sources screen. I have double checked all source citations on all the individuals' assigned sources screen to make sure I did not attach a source incorrectly. Is this a bug of some sort? Has anyone else had this problem? I did a check/repair file just to make sure, and the same problem occurs. I've also noticed once before on my file ID report that for father rel. and mother rel. citations, the wrong name shows up for a particular file ID. I think I will quit sourcing father/mother relationships for now and not include them in my family group record. However, I would like to be able to do so in the future. Jennifer Trahan Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem
I'm on V 7.0.0.55 and can also confirm something not quite right I tagged a set of about 20 people, half related, half not. About 17 of the 20 people are sourced to the same document - with original V6 sourcing, the rest are not. I then CREATED a BRAND NEW source using the Source Writer and attached it to ONE person's child-parent relationship. (Myself to my mother). I called this source Test and filled in most of the data as test1, test2, etc. to be absolutely certain of it's references. I then ran the family group sheet on Tag 3. All relationships were sourced correctly EXCEPT the Test source created with the source writer. It was linked to my child-parent relationship with both my mother and my father. Jess M On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 2:23 PM, Dennis M. Kowallek [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:50:20 -0700 (PDT), Jennifer Trahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this a bug of some sort? I have just tried sourcing a few child-parent relationships and am getting very strange results on the Family Group Record in V6. I sourced mine with source A and my daughter's with source B (I did not source my wife). The FGS shows me and my daughter with source B, and my wife with source A. So something is fishy... If you are using V7, I suggest you report your findings to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as a bug along with the steps they need to take to reproduce the problem. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem
Elizabeth, Yes, you are correct in understanding what I am saying. Do you have an extra line on your family group sheet called Child-Par. Rel. under the wife's name? This is where I am finding the problem. In the family group sheet with Charles as husband, the line containing Charles' father's name says Jeremiah Pemberton...(Relationship) and correctly sources the relationship here. I think this Child-Par. Rel. line is only supposed to show up on the children and not on the husband and wife. Please let me know if you have this line. Thanks! Jennifer --- On Thu, 8/21/08, Elizabeth Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Elizabeth Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 2:31 PM If I understand what you are doing: you have Charles relationship to his parents sourced, but when you choose that option when he is the parent, you are expecting to see the source of this relationship in a family group sheet. When I do this, I get the anticipated result. That is, I have a child whose relationship is biological and have sourced that information. This relationship with her father, biological, is stated on her family group record when she is a mother, and it is sourced correctly. I have 7.0.0.55, so I do not think this is a bug, at least in the Basic Source system. Elizabeth researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson - Original Message - From: Jennifer Trahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 5:50 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem I recently began sourcing father and mother relationships since Legacy gives the option to do so. For example, Charles Pemberton is shown in the 1860 U.S. Census with his father and mother, Jeremiah and Susanna Pemberton. On the assigned sources screen for Charles, I have Father Rel: 1860 U.S. Census - Michigan, Wayne and the same thing for Mother Rel. When I create Charles' family group record (with him as husband), I go to report options and select Child-Parent Relationships on the Include tab. In the family group record, a new line for Charles shows up called Child-Par Rel. I would expect to see the 1860 U.S. Census source referenced here, but it is not. For Charles' youngest child, Nellie, on her assigned sources screen, I have referenced 3 of her marriage records to Father Rel. and Mother Rel. These 3 marriage records show up in the Child-Par. Rel. field for Charles. They also show up for Nellie under Child-Par. Rel. They are supposed to show up for Nellie in that field, but why are they showing up for Charles? Shouldn't this field be for sources showing Charles' relationship to his parents and not his children's relationship to him? To confuse matters, for Charles' other children (Susanna, Dewey, Whitfield, and Martha), I have sourced their individual marriage records to Father Rel. and Mother Rel. on their individual assigned sources screens. These do NOT show up in Charles' Child-Par Rel. field on the Family Group Record. I have no idea why Nellie's randomly shows up incorrectly and not the other childrens'. Why don't they all show up incorrectly? And, finally, to confuse matters again, in the Child-Par. Rel. field for Charles' wife, Blanche, the 1860 U.S. Census - Michigan, Wayne for the household of Jeremiah and Susanna Pemberton is referenced. However, Blanche was a child in 1860 and not yet married to Charles. She did not live in the household of Charles and his parents, and neither is this source accidentally attached to her anywhere in her assigned sources screen. I have double checked all source citations on all the individuals' assigned sources screen to make sure I did not attach a source incorrectly. Is this a bug of some sort? Has anyone else had this problem? I did a check/repair file just to make sure, and the same problem occurs. I've also noticed once before on my file ID report that for father rel. and mother rel. citations, the wrong name shows up for a particular file ID. I think I will quit sourcing father/mother relationships for now and not include them in my family group record. However, I would like to be able to do so in the future. Jennifer Trahan Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem
In a FGS, the parents of both the husband and wife are shown, when known, whether or not the relationship is defined and/or sourced. If it is defined and sourced, the source shows. When the child/parent relationship is defined and sourced, and the person is a child on the FGS, there is a Child-Par. Rel. line, the relationship is defined and the source given. I use the Basic Source only. Elizabeth researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson - Original Message - From: Jennifer Trahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem Elizabeth, Yes, you are correct in understanding what I am saying. Do you have an extra line on your family group sheet called Child-Par. Rel. under the wife's name? This is where I am finding the problem. In the family group sheet with Charles as husband, the line containing Charles' father's name says Jeremiah Pemberton...(Relationship) and correctly sources the relationship here. I think this Child-Par. Rel. line is only supposed to show up on the children and not on the husband and wife. Please let me know if you have this line. Thanks! Jennifer --- On Thu, 8/21/08, Elizabeth Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Elizabeth Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 2:31 PM If I understand what you are doing: you have Charles relationship to his parents sourced, but when you choose that option when he is the parent, you are expecting to see the source of this relationship in a family group sheet. When I do this, I get the anticipated result. That is, I have a child whose relationship is biological and have sourced that information. This relationship with her father, biological, is stated on her family group record when she is a mother, and it is sourced correctly. I have 7.0.0.55, so I do not think this is a bug, at least in the Basic Source system. Elizabeth researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson - Original Message - From: Jennifer Trahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 5:50 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem I recently began sourcing father and mother relationships since Legacy gives the option to do so. For example, Charles Pemberton is shown in the 1860 U.S. Census with his father and mother, Jeremiah and Susanna Pemberton. On the assigned sources screen for Charles, I have Father Rel: 1860 U.S. Census - Michigan, Wayne and the same thing for Mother Rel. When I create Charles' family group record (with him as husband), I go to report options and select Child-Parent Relationships on the Include tab. In the family group record, a new line for Charles shows up called Child-Par Rel. I would expect to see the 1860 U.S. Census source referenced here, but it is not. For Charles' youngest child, Nellie, on her assigned sources screen, I have referenced 3 of her marriage records to Father Rel. and Mother Rel. These 3 marriage records show up in the Child-Par. Rel. field for Charles. They also show up for Nellie under Child-Par. Rel. They are supposed to show up for Nellie in that field, but why are they showing up for Charles? Shouldn't this field be for sources showing Charles' relationship to his parents and not his children's relationship to him? To confuse matters, for Charles' other children (Susanna, Dewey, Whitfield, and Martha), I have sourced their individual marriage records to Father Rel. and Mother Rel. on their individual assigned sources screens. These do NOT show up in Charles' Child-Par Rel. field on the Family Group Record. I have no idea why Nellie's randomly shows up incorrectly and not the other childrens'. Why don't they all show up incorrectly? And, finally, to confuse matters again, in the Child-Par. Rel. field for Charles' wife, Blanche, the 1860 U.S. Census - Michigan, Wayne for the household of Jeremiah and Susanna Pemberton is referenced. However, Blanche was a child in 1860 and not yet married to Charles. She did not live in the household of Charles and his parents, and neither is this source accidentally attached to her anywhere in her assigned sources screen. I have double checked all source citations on all the individuals' assigned sources screen to make sure I did not attach a source incorrectly. Is this a bug of some sort? Has anyone else had this problem? I did a check/repair file just to make sure, and the same problem occurs. I've also noticed once before on my file ID report that for father rel. and mother rel. citations, the wrong name shows up for a particular file ID. I think I will quit sourcing father/mother relationships for now and not include them in my family group
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem
Let me try answering this again. I have sourced Sallie Thompson as the biological daughter of Andrew Thompson. On the FGS where Sallie is the wife is: Father: Andrew Thompson (1780-abt1865) (Relationship: Biological[source#]) This is all on one line and there is not an additional line called Child-Par. Rel. on the FGS when Sallie is the wife. That line appears only when Sallie is the child. Elizabeth researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson - Original Message - From: Jennifer Trahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem Elizabeth, Yes, you are correct in understanding what I am saying. Do you have an extra line on your family group sheet called Child-Par. Rel. under the wife's name? This is where I am finding the problem. In the family group sheet with Charles as husband, the line containing Charles' father's name says Jeremiah Pemberton...(Relationship) and correctly sources the relationship here. I think this Child-Par. Rel. line is only supposed to show up on the children and not on the husband and wife. Please let me know if you have this line. Thanks! Jennifer --- On Thu, 8/21/08, Elizabeth Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Elizabeth Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 2:31 PM If I understand what you are doing: you have Charles relationship to his parents sourced, but when you choose that option when he is the parent, you are expecting to see the source of this relationship in a family group sheet. When I do this, I get the anticipated result. That is, I have a child whose relationship is biological and have sourced that information. This relationship with her father, biological, is stated on her family group record when she is a mother, and it is sourced correctly. I have 7.0.0.55, so I do not think this is a bug, at least in the Basic Source system. Elizabeth researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson - Original Message - From: Jennifer Trahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 5:50 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem I recently began sourcing father and mother relationships since Legacy gives the option to do so. For example, Charles Pemberton is shown in the 1860 U.S. Census with his father and mother, Jeremiah and Susanna Pemberton. On the assigned sources screen for Charles, I have Father Rel: 1860 U.S. Census - Michigan, Wayne and the same thing for Mother Rel. When I create Charles' family group record (with him as husband), I go to report options and select Child-Parent Relationships on the Include tab. In the family group record, a new line for Charles shows up called Child-Par Rel. I would expect to see the 1860 U.S. Census source referenced here, but it is not. For Charles' youngest child, Nellie, on her assigned sources screen, I have referenced 3 of her marriage records to Father Rel. and Mother Rel. These 3 marriage records show up in the Child-Par. Rel. field for Charles. They also show up for Nellie under Child-Par. Rel. They are supposed to show up for Nellie in that field, but why are they showing up for Charles? Shouldn't this field be for sources showing Charles' relationship to his parents and not his children's relationship to him? To confuse matters, for Charles' other children (Susanna, Dewey, Whitfield, and Martha), I have sourced their individual marriage records to Father Rel. and Mother Rel. on their individual assigned sources screens. These do NOT show up in Charles' Child-Par Rel. field on the Family Group Record. I have no idea why Nellie's randomly shows up incorrectly and not the other childrens'. Why don't they all show up incorrectly? And, finally, to confuse matters again, in the Child-Par. Rel. field for Charles' wife, Blanche, the 1860 U.S. Census - Michigan, Wayne for the household of Jeremiah and Susanna Pemberton is referenced. However, Blanche was a child in 1860 and not yet married to Charles. She did not live in the household of Charles and his parents, and neither is this source accidentally attached to her anywhere in her assigned sources screen. I have double checked all source citations on all the individuals' assigned sources screen to make sure I did not attach a source incorrectly. Is this a bug of some sort? Has anyone else had this problem? I did a check/repair file just to make sure, and the same problem occurs. I've also noticed once before on my file ID report that for father rel. and mother rel. citations, the wrong name shows up for a particular file ID. I think I will quit sourcing father/mother relationships for now and not include them in my family
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem
Elizabeth et al: I think I am finally getting somewhere. My sources were all SourceWriter. I deleted all sources for Charles, Blanche, and all children for Mother and Father Relationship. I then used a Basic source to source Charles' relationships with his mother and father. When I did this, the Child-Par Rel. line disappears from underneath Charles and all is well with him. The relationship is sourced correctly on the lines showing his parents' names. However, the wife, Blanche, still has a line called Child-Par Rel. and the Basic Source I used for Charles is showing up here, though it is not attached to Blanche for Father Rel. or Mother Rel. Now, I also then went back and deleted this Basic Source from Charles for Father Rel. and Mother Rel. I then put it on Blanche for Father Rel. and Mother Rel. Now my family group sheet looks fine. So it appears to be a problem with SourceWriter and with the husband. Whew! Bug found! Now I will report it to Support. Thanks everyone for all your help! --- On Thu, 8/21/08, Elizabeth Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Elizabeth Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 6:18 PM In a FGS, the parents of both the husband and wife are shown, when known, whether or not the relationship is defined and/or sourced. If it is defined and sourced, the source shows. When the child/parent relationship is defined and sourced, and the person is a child on the FGS, there is a Child-Par. Rel. line, the relationship is defined and the source given. I use the Basic Source only. Elizabeth researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson - Original Message - From: Jennifer Trahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem Elizabeth, Yes, you are correct in understanding what I am saying. Do you have an extra line on your family group sheet called Child-Par. Rel. under the wife's name? This is where I am finding the problem. In the family group sheet with Charles as husband, the line containing Charles' father's name says Jeremiah Pemberton...(Relationship) and correctly sources the relationship here. I think this Child-Par. Rel. line is only supposed to show up on the children and not on the husband and wife. Please let me know if you have this line. Thanks! Jennifer --- On Thu, 8/21/08, Elizabeth Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Elizabeth Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 2:31 PM If I understand what you are doing: you have Charles relationship to his parents sourced, but when you choose that option when he is the parent, you are expecting to see the source of this relationship in a family group sheet. When I do this, I get the anticipated result. That is, I have a child whose relationship is biological and have sourced that information. This relationship with her father, biological, is stated on her family group record when she is a mother, and it is sourced correctly. I have 7.0.0.55, so I do not think this is a bug, at least in the Basic Source system. Elizabeth researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson - Original Message - From: Jennifer Trahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 5:50 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Father/Mother Relationship Problem I recently began sourcing father and mother relationships since Legacy gives the option to do so. For example, Charles Pemberton is shown in the 1860 U.S. Census with his father and mother, Jeremiah and Susanna Pemberton. On the assigned sources screen for Charles, I have Father Rel: 1860 U.S. Census - Michigan, Wayne and the same thing for Mother Rel. When I create Charles' family group record (with him as husband), I go to report options and select Child-Parent Relationships on the Include tab. In the family group record, a new line for Charles shows up called Child-Par Rel. I would expect to see the 1860 U.S. Census source referenced here, but it is not. For Charles' youngest child, Nellie, on her assigned sources screen, I have referenced 3 of her marriage records to Father Rel. and Mother Rel. These 3 marriage records show up in the Child-Par. Rel. field for Charles. They also show up for Nellie under Child-Par. Rel. They are supposed to show up for Nellie in that field, but why are they showing up for Charles? Shouldn't this field be for sources showing
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing the IGI
The IGI is an index (International Genealogical Index). It is not any sort of real record - marriage, birth, or death.. You could create a Master Source, IGI if you like, or you could just use the IGI as a pointer to further research. I, myself, do not use the IGI as a source. Elizabeth researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson - Original Message - From: Gavin Nicholson [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am just after the best way to Source the IGI. When I select Internet there is a message in RED that says I should select the type of record I want. If I select a marriage record then the best thing to select to get an online option is Fraktur. I don't even know what a Fraktur is!! Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing the IGI
Gavin: The IGI contains several different types of records and the source citation format varies depending on where you found your particular record. The Pedigree Resource File and Ancestral file databases, for example, are basically online transcripts of family group sheets submitted by individuals and should be cited that way. The IGI also contains transcripts from original church records and other original records. Those would be cited as transcribed records online. And then, some of the listings in the IGI are simply indexes created from other records. You need to examine the information at the bottom of the screen for your record to identify the original source and then develop your citation accordingly. If you still have questions then, please re-post with the additional detail about specifically where the record was found. By the way, a fraktur is a hand-drawn and often illuminated certificate, usually done as a family keepsake. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gavin Nicholson Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:25 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing the IGI Hello again listers! Thanks for all the help so far and sorry if this has been asked before but I have scoured Google, looked at the examples on the Legacy website (which appear to refer to a previous edition) and looked at the sample file with Legacy 7.0 to no avail. I am just after the best way to Source the IGI. When I select Internet there is a message in RED that says I should select the type of record I want. If I select a marriage record then the best thing to select to get an online option is Fraktur. I don't even know what a Fraktur is!! Looking forward to your thoughts! Gavin... Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing the IGI
You are mixing terminology here. The IGI does NOT include the PRF and AF databases. When you do a search at familysearch.org all the databases are searched (unless you specify otherwise). The search result screen is broken into sections for the different databases. The records for the IGI, PRF, AF and other records have been merged together at newFamilySearch. But the IGI itself is a seperate and distinct database. It is essentially a record of temple work and does contain different types, such as extracted records and patron submissions. Your point about looking to see the original source is valid, as extracted records (although secondary) are more likely to be accurate. Gary Templeman -- Original message -- From: Kirsten Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gavin: The IGI contains several different types of records and the source citation format varies depending on where you found your particular record. The Pedigree Resource File and Ancestral file databases, for example, are basically online transcripts of family group sheets submitted by individuals and should be cited that way. The IGI also contains transcripts from original church records and other original records. Those would be cited as transcribed records online. And then, some of the listings in the IGI are simply indexes created from other records. You need to examine the information at the bottom of the screen for your record to identify the original source and then develop your citation accordingly. If you still have questions then, please re-post with the additional detail about specifically where the record was found. By the way, a fraktur is a hand-drawn and often illuminated certificate, usually done as a family keepsake. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gavin Nicholson Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:25 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing the IGI Hello again listers! Thanks for all the help so far and sorry if this has been asked before but I have scoured Google, looked at the examples on the Legacy website (which appear to refer to a previous edition) and looked at the sample file with Legacy 7.0 to no avail. I am just after the best way to Source the IGI. When I select Internet there is a message in RED that says I should select the type of record I want. If I select a marriage record then the best thing to select to get an online option is Fraktur. I don't even know what a Fraktur is!! Looking forward to your thoughts! Gavin... Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing the IGI
Gary: You are absolutely right. The problem is that many people refer to records at FamilySearch as IGI and don't distinguish between the different databases. New researchers, especially, often don't realize they need to look at the lower part of the screen to get the details. For that reason, when someone speaks of citing a record in the IGI, I ask for clarification. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:58 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sourcing the IGI You are mixing terminology here. The IGI does NOT include the PRF and AF databases. When you do a search at familysearch.org all the databases are searched (unless you specify otherwise). The search result screen is broken into sections for the different databases. The records for the IGI, PRF, AF and other records have been merged together at newFamilySearch. But the IGI itself is a seperate and distinct database. It is essentially a record of temple work and does contain different types, such as extracted records and patron submissions. Your point about looking to see the original source is valid, as extracted records (although secondary) are more likely to be accurate. Gary Templeman -- Original message -- From: Kirsten Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gavin: The IGI contains several different types of records and the source citation format varies depending on where you found your particular record. The Pedigree Resource File and Ancestral file databases, for example, are basically online transcripts of family group sheets submitted by individuals and should be cited that way. The IGI also contains transcripts from original church records and other original records. Those would be cited as transcribed records online. And then, some of the listings in the IGI are simply indexes created from other records. You need to examine the information at the bottom of the screen for your record to identify the original source and then develop your ci tation accordingly. If you still have questions then, please re-post with the additional detail about specifically where the record was found. By the way, a fraktur is a hand-drawn and often illuminated certificate, usually done as a family keepsake. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gavin Nicholson Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:25 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing the IGI Hello again listers! Thanks for all the help so far and sorry if this has been asked before but I have scoured Google, looked at the examples on the Legacy website (which appear to refer to a previous edition) and looked at the sample file with Legacy 7.0 to no avail. I am just after the best way to Source the IGI. When I select Internet there is a message in RED that says I should select the type of record I want. If I select a marriage record then the best thing to select to get an online option is Fraktur. I don't even know what a Fraktur is!! Looking forward to your thoughts! Gavin... Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
