Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?
Kris: It was Sherry but the below message was her final message. To see the whole thread, including Sherry's comment, click at the bottom of this e-mail on Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ then find the thread with the subject line above and follow it. Look at Sherry's first message for what you are referring to. Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA At 08:14 PM 8/5/2008, you wrote: Did I read here that you have to limit the size of your photos, source documents, etc., because the database can only hold so much? (That's an elegant sentence, isn't it?) Or did I make that up? I don't know where I would get that -- those things are linked, not stored in the actual database, yes? Media files are backed up separately -- is there a limit on how large that backup can be? Kris (I know, I know -- but y'all will figure out what I was trying to say. I have faith!) Sherry/Support wrote: I've been chatting with Geoff on this he sticks with using the larger file size pictures because if you create charts in Legacy Charting and the resolution isn't high enough, the pictures will be pixilated. However if you have too many large pictures linked in the Picture Gallery, you'll find strange things in the Picture Center when linking or viewing pictures. So I guess it's going to be up to the user's needs - speed or wall charts g Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?
Isn't that what I said? If you open and save .jpg files you lose data, albeit only a small amount. On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:19 PM, JLB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Opening jpg's does not cause a loss in picture quality. Only if they're repeatedly edited. JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html Barrie Smart wrote: Depends on what the file will be doing. JPG files are lossy files, so they lose some detail every time they're opened and then saved. Their benefit is small file sizes (hence why they're almost the standard in digital cameras). TIFF are lossless files, which retain their total information even after multiple openings. With a scanned printed page I would think the lossy factor wouldn't be of great concern, and if you use TIFF a save a lot of files in this format, your overall data files will grow appreciably. Of course, anyone getting a JPG file from you can open it and then save it in TIFF format if they're concerned about data loss. HTH On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Cathy Vallevieni [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is best for attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a Source? I know these will open in any photo program so most people will be able to view them just like they can a photo. Thanks. Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- Regards Barrie Smart Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- Regards Barrie Smart Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?
Yes, and very well too. Sorry, with a couple hundred emails going by here every day I can read things wrong. JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html Barrie Smart wrote: Isn't that what I said? If you open and save .jpg files you lose data, albeit only a small amount. On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:19 PM, JLB [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Opening jpg's does not cause a loss in picture quality. Only if they're repeatedly edited. JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html Barrie Smart wrote: Depends on what the file will be doing. JPG files are lossy files, so they lose some detail every time they're opened and then saved. Their benefit is small file sizes (hence why they're almost the standard in digital cameras). TIFF are lossless files, which retain their total information even after multiple openings. With a scanned printed page I would think the lossy factor wouldn't be of great concern, and if you use TIFF a save a lot of files in this format, your overall data files will grow appreciably. Of course, anyone getting a JPG file from you can open it and then save it in TIFF format if they're concerned about data loss. HTH On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Cathy Vallevieni [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is best for attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a Source? I know these will open in any photo program so most people will be able to view them just like they can a photo. Thanks. Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- Regards Barrie Smart Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- Regards Barrie Smart Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?
No. The multimedia files are only *linked* to the Family File - they're not embedded (stored in) the Family File. Theoretically, you can have an unlimited number of pictures, sounds, videos and files linked to the Family File in Legacy. Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kris Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 8:15 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document? Did I read here that you have to limit the size of your photos, source documents, etc., because the database can only hold so much? (That's an elegant sentence, isn't it?) Or did I make that up? I don't know where I would get that -- those things are linked, not stored in the actual database, yes? Media files are backed up separately -- is there a limit on how large that backup can be? Kris (I know, I know -- but y'all will figure out what I was trying to say. I have faith!) Sherry/Support wrote: I've been chatting with Geoff on this he sticks with using the larger file size pictures because if you create charts in Legacy Charting and the resolution isn't high enough, the pictures will be pixilated. However if you have too many large pictures linked in the Picture Gallery, you'll find strange things in the Picture Center when linking or viewing pictures. So I guess it's going to be up to the user's needs - speed or wall charts g Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?
Some interesting JPG facts and myths can be found at http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/formatsjpeg/a/jpegmythsfacts.htm You don't lose quality when you open and view a jpg. You do when you open, edit, save and close the file. Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barrie Smart Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 12:17 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document? Isn't that what I said? If you open and save .jpg files you lose data, albeit only a small amount. On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:19 PM, JLB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Opening jpg's does not cause a loss in picture quality. Only if they're repeatedly edited. JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html Barrie Smart wrote: Depends on what the file will be doing. JPG files are lossy files, so they lose some detail every time they're opened and then saved. Their benefit is small file sizes (hence why they're almost the standard in digital cameras). TIFF are lossless files, which retain their total information even after multiple openings. With a scanned printed page I would think the lossy factor wouldn't be of great concern, and if you use TIFF a save a lot of files in this format, your overall data files will grow appreciably. Of course, anyone getting a JPG file from you can open it and then save it in TIFF format if they're concerned about data loss. .asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?
Ah! I see it now! Don't know how I could have missed that, with the small traffic on this list and all. LOL! Thank you! (And thanks to Sherry, too!) Cathy Vallevieni wrote: Kris: It was Sherry but the below message was her final message. To see the whole thread, including Sherry's comment, click at the bottom of this e-mail on Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ then find the thread with the subject line above and follow it. Look at Sherry's first message for what you are referring to. Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA At 08:14 PM 8/5/2008, you wrote: Did I read here that you have to limit the size of your photos, source documents, etc., because the database can only hold so much? (That's an elegant sentence, isn't it?) Or did I make that up? I don't know where I would get that -- those things are linked, not stored in the actual database, yes? Media files are backed up separately -- is there a limit on how large that backup can be? Kris (I know, I know -- but y'all will figure out what I was trying to say. I have faith!) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?
Depends on what the file will be doing. JPG files are lossy files, so they lose some detail every time they're opened and then saved. Their benefit is small file sizes (hence why they're almost the standard in digital cameras). TIFF are lossless files, which retain their total information even after multiple openings. With a scanned printed page I would think the lossy factor wouldn't be of great concern, and if you use TIFF a save a lot of files in this format, your overall data files will grow appreciably. Of course, anyone getting a JPG file from you can open it and then save it in TIFF format if they're concerned about data loss. HTH On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Cathy Vallevieni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is best for attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a Source? I know these will open in any photo program so most people will be able to view them just like they can a photo. Thanks. Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- Regards Barrie Smart Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?
Opening jpg's does not cause a loss in picture quality. Only if they're repeatedly edited. JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html Barrie Smart wrote: Depends on what the file will be doing. JPG files are lossy files, so they lose some detail every time they're opened and then saved. Their benefit is small file sizes (hence why they're almost the standard in digital cameras). TIFF are lossless files, which retain their total information even after multiple openings. With a scanned printed page I would think the lossy factor wouldn't be of great concern, and if you use TIFF a save a lot of files in this format, your overall data files will grow appreciably. Of course, anyone getting a JPG file from you can open it and then save it in TIFF format if they're concerned about data loss. HTH On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Cathy Vallevieni [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is best for attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a Source? I know these will open in any photo program so most people will be able to view them just like they can a photo. Thanks. Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- Regards Barrie Smart Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?
Small correction, TIFF is actually a container file (basically like a filing cabinet). The images containted within the file can actually be lossless _OR_ lossy. Please reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tagged_Image_File_Format#Flexible_options If you use TIFF (I do) and want lossless TIFF, be certain to check your options as you save the first time. ~Ben Barrie Smart wrote: Depends on what the file will be doing. JPG files are lossy files, so they lose some detail every time they're opened and then saved. Their benefit is small file sizes (hence why they're almost the standard in digital cameras). TIFF are lossless files, which retain their total information even after multiple openings. With a scanned printed page I would think the lossy factor wouldn't be of great concern, and if you use TIFF a save a lot of files in this format, your overall data files will grow appreciably. Of course, anyone getting a JPG file from you can open it and then save it in TIFF format if they're concerned about data loss. HTH On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Cathy Vallevieni [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is best for attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a Source? I know these will open in any photo program so most people will be able to view them just like they can a photo. Thanks. Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- Regards Barrie Smart Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?
I would think the important thing is check the saved copy to see that you have not lost any detail. You can usually reduce the size of a JPG file dramatically without losing anything important, you can always archive a higher resolution copy if you think you might need to edit it at some time in the future. If a 50K file is perfectly readable then why use a 50MB file? Just don't overwrite the original high resolution copy of the file with a lower resolution copy. Martin Briscoe Fort William MLFHS | Gwynedd FHS _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barrie Smart Sent: 05 August 2008 08:01 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document? Of course, anyone getting a JPG file from you can open it and then save it in TIFF format if they're concerned about data loss. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?
According to one of the training videos you should use either .bmp or .tiff files. The reasosn is that .jpg files loose data and quality if you edit them. - Original Message - From: Cathy Vallevieni [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 1:45 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document? Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is best for attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a Source? I know these will open in any photo program so most people will be able to view them just like they can a photo. Thanks. Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?
I want to comment on a few things in the statements below. You can open a JPG file as many times as you like and close it with no change. The word save is problematic because people use it in more than one context. You can send a file to someone and they can save it to any place on their computer with no loss. Saving is an issue if you are in an editing program, but you can move files around or email them with no concern for any loss. If you edit it in any way and re-save it there will be additional quality loss. However, if you open it and do some editing and select Save As and use a different file name, you end up with the original file unchanged and an edited (and slightly degraded) copy. Whether the changes from any single save are visible or not depends on a lot of factors, but the effect is cumulative. So the general recommendation is to always keep an archive copy of whatever image file you have and do all editing on copies. If you have the storage space, then a lossless TIFF is appropriate for storage of original images and scans. There is less benefit in converting an existing JPG to a TIFF *as long as* you work on a copy (or be sure to save as), and the two JPGs will usually take up much less space than the single TIFF. Converting to a TIFF does not gain back the previously lost data, it only increases the file size. Because degradation is cumulative, whenever possible when working with a lossy image, make ALL the desired changes (cropping, resizing, contrast, etc) in one session. As has been stated elsewhere, TIFF files are not always lossless either. Gary Templeman - Original Message - From: Barrie Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document? Depends on what the file will be doing. JPG files are lossy files, so they lose some detail every time they're opened and then saved. Their benefit is small file sizes (hence why they're almost the standard in digital cameras). TIFF are lossless files, which retain their total information even after multiple openings. With a scanned printed page I would think the lossy factor wouldn't be of great concern, and if you use TIFF a save a lot of files in this format, your overall data files will grow appreciably. Of course, anyone getting a JPG file from you can open it and then save it in TIFF format if they're concerned about data loss. HTH On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Cathy Vallevieni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is best for attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a Source? I know these will open in any photo program so most people will be able to view them just like they can a photo. Thanks. Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- Regards Barrie Smart Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?
The difference between one generation and the next is not always visible, but if you compare generation one with generation eight it probably will be. Also, what you see on screen (equivalent to about 72 dpi) vs. a printed image may be different. You can't always rely on visual interpretation to decide if you are degrading the image (it will be if you edit and save), only if the result is acceptable to you. Gary Templeman - Original Message - From: Martin Briscoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 3:54 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document? I would think the important thing is check the saved copy to see that you have not lost any detail. You can usually reduce the size of a JPG file dramatically without losing anything important, you can always archive a higher resolution copy if you think you might need to edit it at some time in the future. If a 50K file is perfectly readable then why use a 50MB file? Just don't overwrite the original high resolution copy of the file with a lower resolution copy. Martin Briscoe Fort William MLFHS | Gwynedd FHS _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barrie Smart Sent: 05 August 2008 08:01 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document? Of course, anyone getting a JPG file from you can open it and then save it in TIFF format if they're concerned about data loss. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?
Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is best for attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a Source? I know these will open in any photo program so most people will be able to view them just like they can a photo. Thanks. Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA Cathy, Another tip. I haven't added scans to my program and I haven't read about the complexities of resolution compression whatever on an image. With that wealth of knowlwdge, I'll pass along a suggestion from an earlier post on LUG. Someone (I apologize for not remembering their name) suggested saving black white documents as greyscale, a smaller file than a save as color. I assume .bmp or .tiff allows this. as .jpg works fine. As suggested in this thread, check to see if the detail is acceptable. Regards, Jane Tripp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?
I like to save jpg or tiff scans of one page documents to a pdf file. That format is known and used in many countries and almost every computer has Adobe Reader software on it, as most software manuals and US gov forms are offered in this format. The utility, FastStone Image viewer, is free when used in non commercial settings (free for home use) and will save a jpg or tiff file to pdf format. When opening this pdf file in Adobe Reader, it can be printed or read easily. I save almost all of my Legacy source documents to pdf format. If interested in taking a look, this image viewer can be found at www.faststone.org and it's the first offering on the right hand side on their opening screen. Mary I can send an example of a jpg file and same converted to pdf file via FastStone, if you'd like to compare. Just send your request to mleek at sbcglobal dot net - Original Message - From: Trippsibs5 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document? Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is best for attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a Source? I know these will open in any photo program so most people will be able to view them just like they can a photo. Thanks. Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA Cathy, Another tip. I haven't added scans to my program and I haven't read about the complexities of resolution compression whatever on an image. With that wealth of knowlwdge, I'll pass along a suggestion from an earlier post on LUG. Someone (I apologize for not remembering their name) suggested saving black white documents as greyscale, a smaller file than a save as color. I assume .bmp or .tiff allows this. as .jpg works fine. As suggested in this thread, check to see if the detail is acceptable. Regards, Jane Tripp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?
Mary: Thank you for the reply. I converted a jpg to a pdf to see the results myself but thank you for the offer to send a copy. I like the results. Much easier to read on the screen in pdf than in a picture browser as a jpg. I think I may go back and get all the Census and similar documents that I can from Ancestry, etc. and resave all of them as originals to a pdf file which should make them the clearest they can be (which can be important with the quality of some Census'). I'll compare the difference between an original scan to pdf vs. converting a jpg to pdf then make the final decision. I was surprised to see they are about the same size file (would have expected a pdf to be much bigger). Thanks for the idea! Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA At 10:44 AM 8/5/2008, you wrote: I like to save jpg or tiff scans of one page documents to a pdf file. That format is known and used in many countries and almost every computer has Adobe Reader software on it, as most software manuals and US gov forms are offered in this format. The utility, FastStone Image viewer, is free when used in non commercial settings (free for home use) and will save a jpg or tiff file to pdf format. When opening this pdf file in Adobe Reader, it can be printed or read easily. I save almost all of my Legacy source documents to pdf format. If interested in taking a look, this image viewer can be found at http://www.faststone.orgwww.faststone.org and it's the first offering on the right hand side on their opening screen. Mary I can send an example of a jpg file and same converted to pdf file via FastStone, if you'd like to compare. Just send your request to mleek at sbcglobal dot net - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Trippsibs5 To: mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.comLegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document? Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is best for attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a Source? I know these will open in any photo program so most people will be able to view them just like they can a photo. Thanks. Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA Cathy, Another tip. I haven't added scans to my program and I haven't read about the complexities of resolution compression whatever on an image. With that wealth of knowlwdge, I'll pass along a suggestion from an earlier post on LUG. Someone (I apologize for not remembering their name) suggested saving black white documents as greyscale, a smaller file than a save as color. I assume .bmp or .tiff allows this. as .jpg works fine. As suggested in this thread, check to see if the detail is acceptable. Regards, Jane Tripp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asphttp://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asphttp://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asphttp://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Sherry: Thanks for the detailed explanation. It was extremely helpful and I will follow your advice. I'm sure others will benefit from it as well. Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA At 10:54 AM 8/5/2008, you wrote: I don't know which training video you're referring to but my recommendation has always been to make sure that the file size of pictures you link to in Legacy is no larger than 150-200 KB in size. That resolution is fine for documents and web pages. To publish, you don't need a high resolution picture. Those are only necessary if you're doing editing or making big enlargements. If you link a lot of pictures with larger file sizes to a Picture Gallery, it can really bog down the Picture Gallery when it's opened. Save the TIF or BMP as archive copies for storage and editing and make a smaller jpg for linking to in Legacy - those pictures could be stored in the c:\Legacy\Pictures folder or can reside next to the TIF or BMP formats in the same folder. Since Sound, Video and Files attachments don't redraw thumbnails, there's not a problem with larger file sizes of those attachments. Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Berry Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 3:01 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document? According to one of the training videos you should use either .bmp or .tiff files. The reasosn is that .jpg files loose data and quality if you edit them. - Original Message - From: Cathy Vallevieni [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 1:45 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document? Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is best for attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a Source? I know these will open in any photo program so most people will be able to view them just like they can a photo. Thanks. Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?
At one time I put all my jpg images (such as census records and scanned marriage certificates) into pdf because I thought it was so neat and nifty. I later changed them all back to jpg's for two reasons. One, I can see them directly when they're linked into Legacy and two, for IPTC-embedded info. Just to give you the opposite perspective. JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html Cathy Vallevieni wrote: Mary: Thank you for the reply. I converted a jpg to a pdf to see the results myself but thank you for the offer to send a copy. I like the results. Much easier to read on the screen in pdf than in a picture browser as a jpg. I think I may go back and get all the Census and similar documents that I can from Ancestry, etc. and resave all of them as originals to a pdf file which should make them the clearest they can be (which can be important with the quality of some Census'). I'll compare the difference between an original scan to pdf vs. converting a jpg to pdf then make the final decision. I was surprised to see they are about the same size file (would have expected a pdf to be much bigger). Thanks for the idea! Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA At 10:44 AM 8/5/2008, you wrote: I like to save jpg or tiff scans of one page documents to a pdf file. That format is known and used in many countries and almost every computer has Adobe Reader software on it, as most software manuals and US gov forms are offered in this format. The utility, FastStone Image viewer, is free when used in non commercial settings (free for home use) and will save a jpg or tiff file to pdf format. When opening this pdf file in Adobe Reader, it can be printed or read easily. I save almost all of my Legacy source documents to pdf format. If interested in taking a look, this image viewer can be found at www.faststone.org http://www.faststone.org and it's the first offering on the right hand side on their opening screen. Mary I can send an example of a jpg file and same converted to pdf file via FastStone, if you'd like to compare. Just send your request to mleek at sbcglobal dot net - Original Message - From: Trippsibs5 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document? Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is best for attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a Source? I know these will open in any photo program so most people will be able to view them just like they can a photo. Thanks. Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA Cathy, Another tip. I haven't added scans to my program and I haven't read about the complexities of resolution compression whatever on an image. With that wealth of knowlwdge, I'll pass along a suggestion from an earlier post on LUG. Someone (I apologize for not remembering their name) suggested saving black white documents as greyscale, a smaller file than a save as color. I assume .bmp or .tiff allows this. as .jpg works fine. As suggested in this thread, check to see if the detail is acceptable. Regards, Jane Tripp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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JL, You can see attached sources in pdf format from within Legacy when they're linked to a source. You just click on the photo icon to get them to open in Adobe reader, just as the jpg's open in an image viewer when clicked. This works in Legacy v6, too, not just in Legacy v7. You just need to change the video file option to ALL in order to attach them as pdf files. I don't know what the IPTC embedded information is so I guess I haven't missed that. :-) I assume it might contain image source data for the original digital image file? Mary From: JLB ... and he wrote: At one time I put all my jpg images (such as census records and scanned marriage certificates) into pdf because I thought it was so neat and nifty. I later changed them all back to jpg's for two reasons. One, I can see them directly when they're linked into Legacy and two, for IPTC-embedded info. Just to give you the opposite perspective. JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html Cathy Vallevieni wrote: Mary: Thank you for the reply. I converted a jpg to a pdf to see the results myself but thank you for the offer to send a copy. I like the results. Much easier to read on the screen in pdf than in a picture browser as a jpg. I think I may go back and get all the Census and similar documents that I can from Ancestry, etc. and resave all of them as originals to a pdf file which should make them the clearest they can be (which can be important with the quality of some Census'). I'll compare the difference between an original scan to pdf vs. converting a jpg to pdf then make the final decision. I was surprised to see they are about the same size file (would have expected a pdf to be much bigger). Thanks for the idea! Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA At 10:44 AM 8/5/2008, you wrote: I like to save jpg or tiff scans of one page documents to a pdf file. That format is known and used in many countries and almost every computer has Adobe Reader software on it, as most software manuals and US gov forms are offered in this format. The utility, FastStone Image viewer, is free when used in non commercial settings (free for home use) and will save a jpg or tiff file to pdf format. When opening this pdf file in Adobe Reader, it can be printed or read easily. I save almost all of my Legacy source documents to pdf format. If interested in taking a look, this image viewer can be found at www.faststone.org http://www.faststone.org and it's the first offering on the right hand side on their opening screen. Mary I can send an example of a jpg file and same converted to pdf file via FastStone, if you'd like to compare. Just send your request to mleek at sbcglobal dot net - Original Message - From: Trippsibs5 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document? Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is best for attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a Source? I know these will open in any photo program so most people will be able to view them just like they can a photo. Thanks. Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA Cathy, Another tip. I haven't added scans to my program and I haven't read about the complexities of resolution compression whatever on an image. With that wealth of knowlwdge, I'll pass along a suggestion from an earlier post on LUG. Someone (I apologize for not remembering their name) suggested saving black white documents as greyscale, a smaller file than a save as color. I assume .bmp or .tiff allows this. as .jpg works fine. As suggested in this thread, check to see if the detail is acceptable. Regards, Jane Tripp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Cathy Vallevieni wrote: I like the results. Much easier to read on the screen in pdf than in a picture browser as a jpg. I think I may go back and get all the Census and similar documents that I can from Ancestry, etc. and resave all of them as originals to a pdf file which should make them the clearest they can be (which can be important with the quality of some Census'). I'll compare the difference between an original scan to pdf vs. converting a jpg to pdf then make the final decision. I was surprised to see they are about the same size file (would have expected a pdf to be much bigger). If you're interested in PDF, then FireFox with the PDF Download add-on is a good way of creating a single PDF page document from a web-page. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Yes, I know you can see the icon for attached files. But I like to see the pictures themselves when I'm in the Assigned Sources window. Just personal taste. I also have pdf's linked for some of the Master Sources. IPTC is embedded info which can include many things: caption, caption writer, keywords, copyright, etc. Not all of it imports into Legacy though. Just the captions I think. And only on jpg's and uncompressed tiff's. I use IPTC for everything as it shows up in many programs and can also be printed out with pictures in other uses. JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html Mary Fowler Leek wrote: JL, You can see attached sources in pdf format from within Legacy when they're linked to a source. You just click on the photo icon to get them to open in Adobe reader, just as the jpg's open in an image viewer when clicked. This works in Legacy v6, too, not just in Legacy v7. You just need to change the video file option to ALL in order to attach them as pdf files. I don't know what the IPTC embedded information is so I guess I haven't missed that. :-) I assume it might contain image source data for the original digital image file? Mary *From:* JLB mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *... and he wrote:* At one time I put all my jpg images (such as census records and scanned marriage certificates) into pdf because I thought it was so neat and nifty. I later changed them all back to jpg's for two reasons. One, I can see them directly when they're linked into Legacy and two, for IPTC-embedded info. Just to give you the opposite perspective. JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html Cathy Vallevieni wrote: Mary: Thank you for the reply. I converted a jpg to a pdf to see the results myself but thank you for the offer to send a copy. I like the results. Much easier to read on the screen in pdf than in a picture browser as a jpg. I think I may go back and get all the Census and similar documents that I can from Ancestry, etc. and resave all of them as originals to a pdf file which should make them the clearest they can be (which can be important with the quality of some Census'). I'll compare the difference between an original scan to pdf vs. converting a jpg to pdf then make the final decision. I was surprised to see they are about the same size file (would have expected a pdf to be much bigger). Thanks for the idea! Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA At 10:44 AM 8/5/2008, you wrote: I like to save jpg or tiff scans of one page documents to a pdf file. That format is known and used in many countries and almost every computer has Adobe Reader software on it, as most software manuals and US gov forms are offered in this format. The utility, FastStone Image viewer, is free when used in non commercial settings (free for home use) and will save a jpg or tiff file to pdf format. When opening this pdf file in Adobe Reader, it can be printed or read easily. I save almost all of my Legacy source documents to pdf format. If interested in taking a look, this image viewer can be found at www.faststone.org http://www.faststone.org http://www.faststone.org and it's the first offering on the right hand side on their opening screen. Mary I can send an example of a jpg file and same converted to pdf file via FastStone, if you'd like to compare. Just send your request to mleek at sbcglobal dot net - Original Message - From: Trippsibs5 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document? Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is best for attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a Source? I know these will open in any photo program so most people will be able to view them just like they can a photo. Thanks. Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA Cathy, Another tip. I haven't added scans to my program and I haven't read about the complexities of resolution compression whatever on an image. With that wealth of knowlwdge, I'll pass along a suggestion from an earlier post on LUG. Someone (I apologize for not remembering their name) suggested saving black white documents as greyscale
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Fry Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 2:13 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document? Cathy Vallevieni wrote: I like the results. Much easier to read on the screen in pdf than in a picture browser as a jpg. I think I may go back and get all the Census and similar documents that I can from Ancestry, etc. and resave all of them as originals to a pdf file which should make them the clearest they can be (which can be important with the quality of some Census'). I'll compare the difference between an original scan to pdf vs. converting a jpg to pdf then make the final decision. I was surprised to see they are about the same size file (would have expected a pdf to be much bigger). If you're interested in PDF, then FireFox with the PDF Download add-on is a good way of creating a single PDF page document from a web-page. Windows - Cuteftp Small foot print http://www.cutepdf.com/ Tim -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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JL: Good point, especially for 1-page documents where you can see the actual document at the bottom of the Source screen and in other reports without having to open it in Adobe. PDF probably still makes more sense for multiple page documents, however. Now I'll have to decide whether I want to see the document directly or whether I want to view it more clearly and easily in Adobe. What a great group with all the ideas and various viewpoints. No one can say you don't get an all-encompassing viewpoint of a subject. To everyone that has suggested alternative programs to view and create PDF files, thank you and I'm sure they've been helpful to many LUG members. I actually own a copy of Adobe Acrobat that I use for my business so I'm covered for both creation and reading. Mike Tim, thanks for the info on converting a web page to a PDF. I use Firefox and will keep that in mind. Way to come through, again, group! Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA At 12:15 PM 8/5/2008, you wrote: At one time I put all my jpg images (such as census records and scanned marriage certificates) into pdf because I thought it was so neat and nifty. I later changed them all back to jpg's for two reasons. One, I can see them directly when they're linked into Legacy and two, for IPTC-embedded info. Just to give you the opposite perspective. JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html Cathy Vallevieni wrote: Mary: Thank you for the reply. I converted a jpg to a pdf to see the results myself but thank you for the offer to send a copy. I like the results. Much easier to read on the screen in pdf than in a picture browser as a jpg. I think I may go back and get all the Census and similar documents that I can from Ancestry, etc. and resave all of them as originals to a pdf file which should make them the clearest they can be (which can be important with the quality of some Census'). I'll compare the difference between an original scan to pdf vs. converting a jpg to pdf then make the final decision. I was surprised to see they are about the same size file (would have expected a pdf to be much bigger). Thanks for the idea! Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA At 10:44 AM 8/5/2008, you wrote: I like to save jpg or tiff scans of one page documents to a pdf file. That format is known and used in many countries and almost every computer has Adobe Reader software on it, as most software manuals and US gov forms are offered in this format. The utility, FastStone Image viewer, is free when used in non commercial settings (free for home use) and will save a jpg or tiff file to pdf format. When opening this pdf file in Adobe Reader, it can be printed or read easily. I save almost all of my Legacy source documents to pdf format. If interested in taking a look, this image viewer can be found at www.faststone.org http://www.faststone.org and it's the first offering on the right hand side on their opening screen. Mary I can send an example of a jpg file and same converted to pdf file via FastStone, if you'd like to compare. Just send your request to mleek at sbcglobal dot net - Original Message - From: Trippsibs5 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document? Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is best for attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a Source? I know these will open in any photo program so most people will be able to view them just like they can a photo. Thanks. Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA Cathy, Another tip. I haven't added scans to my program and I haven't read about the complexities of resolution compression whatever on an image. With that wealth of knowlwdge, I'll pass along a suggestion from an earlier post on LUG. Someone (I apologize for not remembering their name) suggested saving black white documents as greyscale, a smaller file than a save as color. I assume .bmp or .tiff allows this. as .jpg works fine. As suggested in this thread, check to see if the detail is acceptable. Regards, Jane Tripp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
RE: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?
I've been chatting with Geoff on this he sticks with using the larger file size pictures because if you create charts in Legacy Charting and the resolution isn't high enough, the pictures will be pixilated. However if you have too many large pictures linked in the Picture Gallery, you'll find strange things in the Picture Center when linking or viewing pictures. So I guess it's going to be up to the user's needs - speed or wall charts g Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cathy Vallevieni Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:42 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document? Sherry: Thanks for the detailed explanation. It was extremely helpful and I will follow your advice. I'm sure others will benefit from it as well. Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA At 10:54 AM 8/5/2008, you wrote: I don't know which training video you're referring to but my recommendation has always been to make sure that the file size of pictures you link to in Legacy is no larger than 150-200 KB in size. That resolution is fine for documents and web pages. To publish, you don't need a high resolution picture. Those are only necessary if you're doing editing or making big enlargements. If you link a lot of pictures with larger file sizes to a Picture Gallery, it can really bog down the Picture Gallery when it's opened. Save the TIF or BMP as archive copies for storage and editing and make a smaller jpg for linking to in Legacy - those pictures could be stored in the c:\Legacy\Pictures folder or can reside next to the TIF or BMP formats in the same folder. Since Sound, Video and Files attachments don't redraw thumbnails, there's not a problem with larger file sizes of those attachments. Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?
Magnifying images in Windows Picture and Fax Viewer (and Legacy at times) is a nuisance, so I never use it. There's a tool called Virtual Magnifying Glass that works much better on any screen. And it's free. http://magnifier.sourceforge.net/ JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html Cathy Vallevieni wrote: JL: Good point, especially for 1-page documents where you can see the actual document at the bottom of the Source screen and in other reports without having to open it in Adobe. PDF probably still makes more sense for multiple page documents, however. Now I'll have to decide whether I want to see the document directly or whether I want to view it more clearly and easily in Adobe. What a great group with all the ideas and various viewpoints. No one can say you don't get an all-encompassing viewpoint of a subject. To everyone that has suggested alternative programs to view and create PDF files, thank you and I'm sure they've been helpful to many LUG members. I actually own a copy of Adobe Acrobat that I use for my business so I'm covered for both creation and reading. Mike Tim, thanks for the info on converting a web page to a PDF. I use Firefox and will keep that in mind. Way to come through, again, group! Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA At 12:15 PM 8/5/2008, you wrote: At one time I put all my jpg images (such as census records and scanned marriage certificates) into pdf because I thought it was so neat and nifty. I later changed them all back to jpg's for two reasons. One, I can see them directly when they're linked into Legacy and two, for IPTC-embedded info. Just to give you the opposite perspective. JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html Cathy Vallevieni wrote: Mary: Thank you for the reply. I converted a jpg to a pdf to see the results myself but thank you for the offer to send a copy. I like the results. Much easier to read on the screen in pdf than in a picture browser as a jpg. I think I may go back and get all the Census and similar documents that I can from Ancestry, etc. and resave all of them as originals to a pdf file which should make them the clearest they can be (which can be important with the quality of some Census'). I'll compare the difference between an original scan to pdf vs. converting a jpg to pdf then make the final decision. I was surprised to see they are about the same size file (would have expected a pdf to be much bigger). Thanks for the idea! Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA At 10:44 AM 8/5/2008, you wrote: I like to save jpg or tiff scans of one page documents to a pdf file. That format is known and used in many countries and almost every computer has Adobe Reader software on it, as most software manuals and US gov forms are offered in this format. The utility, FastStone Image viewer, is free when used in non commercial settings (free for home use) and will save a jpg or tiff file to pdf format. When opening this pdf file in Adobe Reader, it can be printed or read easily. I save almost all of my Legacy source documents to pdf format. If interested in taking a look, this image viewer can be found at www.faststone.org http://www.faststone.org and it's the first offering on the right hand side on their opening screen. Mary I can send an example of a jpg file and same converted to pdf file via FastStone, if you'd like to compare. Just send your request to mleek at sbcglobal dot net - Original Message - From: Trippsibs5 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document? Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is best for attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a Source? I know these will open in any photo program so most people will be able to view them just like they can a photo. Thanks. Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA Cathy, Another tip. I haven't added scans to my program and I haven't read about the complexities of resolution compression whatever on an image. With that wealth of knowlwdge, I'll pass along a suggestion from an earlier post on LUG. Someone (I apologize for not remembering their name) suggested saving black white documents as greyscale, a smaller file than a save as color. I assume .bmp or .tiff allows this. as .jpg works fine. As suggested in this thread, check to see if the detail is acceptable. Regards, Jane Tripp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http
Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?
I'll just make a quick comment here. If you are sharing a lot of documents etc with someone on dialup or who is using an older system, you might want to chat with them before totally switching to pdf. They can be a real problem for those on very slow speed dialup (which for some is all that is available. PDF files of one or two pages tend to be much larger than sending an image of the document) or for someone on older systems. In my case I have one other problem to consider. I share information with someone who uses assistive technologies on their computers. PDF's are, for the most part, incompatible with many of those technologies. And one other thing - when making a pdf from a web page, you may lose some of the structure of the page. Each web page provider needs to be judged individually. (Having said that many provide pdf downloads. Again check them as you get them. I find that some from HQ will not open.) Just something to consider when considering your usage. Jackie Tim Rosenlof wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Fry Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 2:13 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document? Cathy Vallevieni wrote: I like the results. Much easier to read on the screen in pdf than in a picture browser as a jpg. I think I may go back and get all the Census and similar documents that I can from Ancestry, etc. and resave all of them as originals to a pdf file which should make them the clearest they can be (which can be important with the quality of some Census'). I'll compare the difference between an original scan to pdf vs. converting a jpg to pdf then make the final decision. I was surprised to see they are about the same size file (would have expected a pdf to be much bigger). If you're interested in PDF, then FireFox with the PDF Download add-on is a good way of creating a single PDF page document from a web-page. Windows - Cuteftp Small foot print http://www.cutepdf.com/ Tim Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?
JL: Cool tool! Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA At 04:12 PM 8/5/2008, you wrote: Magnifying images in Windows Picture and Fax Viewer (and Legacy at times) is a nuisance, so I never use it. There's a tool called Virtual Magnifying Glass that works much better on any screen. And it's free. http://magnifier.sourceforge.net/ JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html Cathy Vallevieni wrote: JL: Good point, especially for 1-page documents where you can see the actual document at the bottom of the Source screen and in other reports without having to open it in Adobe. PDF probably still makes more sense for multiple page documents, however. Now I'll have to decide whether I want to see the document directly or whether I want to view it more clearly and easily in Adobe. What a great group with all the ideas and various viewpoints. No one can say you don't get an all-encompassing viewpoint of a subject. To everyone that has suggested alternative programs to view and create PDF files, thank you and I'm sure they've been helpful to many LUG members. I actually own a copy of Adobe Acrobat that I use for my business so I'm covered for both creation and reading. Mike Tim, thanks for the info on converting a web page to a PDF. I use Firefox and will keep that in mind. Way to come through, again, group! Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA At 12:15 PM 8/5/2008, you wrote: At one time I put all my jpg images (such as census records and scanned marriage certificates) into pdf because I thought it was so neat and nifty. I later changed them all back to jpg's for two reasons. One, I can see them directly when they're linked into Legacy and two, for IPTC-embedded info. Just to give you the opposite perspective. JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html Cathy Vallevieni wrote: Mary: Thank you for the reply. I converted a jpg to a pdf to see the results myself but thank you for the offer to send a copy. I like the results. Much easier to read on the screen in pdf than in a picture browser as a jpg. I think I may go back and get all the Census and similar documents that I can from Ancestry, etc. and resave all of them as originals to a pdf file which should make them the clearest they can be (which can be important with the quality of some Census'). I'll compare the difference between an original scan to pdf vs. converting a jpg to pdf then make the final decision. I was surprised to see they are about the same size file (would have expected a pdf to be much bigger). Thanks for the idea! Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA At 10:44 AM 8/5/2008, you wrote: I like to save jpg or tiff scans of one page documents to a pdf file. That format is known and used in many countries and almost every computer has Adobe Reader software on it, as most software manuals and US gov forms are offered in this format. The utility, FastStone Image viewer, is free when used in non commercial settings (free for home use) and will save a jpg or tiff file to pdf format. When opening this pdf file in Adobe Reader, it can be printed or read easily. I save almost all of my Legacy source documents to pdf format. If interested in taking a look, this image viewer can be found at www.faststone.org http://www.faststone.org and it's the first offering on the right hand side on their opening screen. Mary I can send an example of a jpg file and same converted to pdf file via FastStone, if you'd like to compare. Just send your request to mleek at sbcglobal dot net - Original Message - From: Trippsibs5 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document? Has anyone found that using .jpg or .tiff or another format is best for attaching a scanned 1-page written document to a Source? I know these will open in any photo program so most people will be able to view them just like they can a photo. Thanks. Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA Cathy, Another tip. I haven't added scans to my program and I haven't read about the complexities of resolution compression whatever on an image. With that wealth of knowlwdge, I'll pass along a suggestion from an earlier post on LUG. Someone (I apologize for not remembering their name) suggested saving black white documents as greyscale, a smaller file than a save as color. I assume .bmp or .tiff allows this. as .jpg works fine. As suggested in this thread, check to see if the detail is acceptable. Regards, Jane Tripp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com
Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?
Did I read here that you have to limit the size of your photos, source documents, etc., because the database can only hold so much? (That's an elegant sentence, isn't it?) Or did I make that up? I don't know where I would get that -- those things are linked, not stored in the actual database, yes? Media files are backed up separately -- is there a limit on how large that backup can be? Kris (I know, I know -- but y'all will figure out what I was trying to say. I have faith!) Sherry/Support wrote: I've been chatting with Geoff on this he sticks with using the larger file size pictures because if you create charts in Legacy Charting and the resolution isn't high enough, the pictures will be pixilated. However if you have too many large pictures linked in the Picture Gallery, you'll find strange things in the Picture Center when linking or viewing pictures. So I guess it's going to be up to the user's needs - speed or wall charts g Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
