RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 uninstall fails

[Lee Bruch]

I had always understood, for years, that it’s always best to uninstall any 
application using it’s innate un-installation feature (many programs don’t have 
that) … and to use the control panel to un-install only as a secondary resort.



From: Stanley Mitchell [mailto:llehctim...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2014 9:42 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 uninstall fails



Thanks for some of your suggestions.

Here is what worked for me, in case anyone else might need a similar remedy. 
Apparently, my mistake was using Control Panel to remove Legacy8, on two 
different machines that failed (Win7 & Win8). To recover, go to "\Program Files 
(x86)\Legacy8\Backup" and copy Install.log to "\Program Files (x86)\Legacy8" 
(you will need admin privileges). Then, run the Uninstall command from the 
Legacy folder in program manager.

We each have certain expectations of the software which we install on our 
computers. My minimal expectation is that the program can be seamlessly 
installed, updated, and removed. Those are the very basics of software product 
development. To me, Legacy doesn't cut it.

The Wise Installer which Legacy uses for its installer, was discontinued by 
Symantec in 2011 (Wikipedia  
). There are many Windows installation tools available which have kept up with 
the evolution of the Windows platform (XP->Vista->Win7->Win8). Even Microsoft 
has had a free open-source installer called WIX 
  available for the last 10 years. It seems 
rather short-sighted to limp along with an obsolete tool.

-Stan





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RE: [LegacyUG] Clicking and/or right clicking is getting "MORE" than annoying

[Lee Bruch]

Question: are you having similar problems with any other programs? This is 
probably totally unrelated, but a bit like a problem I’m experiencing with 
another program, so may (or probably not) contain a clue.

After using Internet Explorer as my preferred browser for many years, a few 
months ago clicking buttons (and sometimes on links) on many websites stopped 
working. I’ve had to resort to using Google’s chrome until I figure out and 
resolve the issue.



From: Vivian Gullickson White [mailto:vwhit...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:06 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Clicking and/or right clicking is getting "MORE" than 
annoying



No, that is not the case. I have been a Legacy user since the very beginning 
and I am very familiar with the way the program works. If you look back a few 
days ago when I first wrote about it, others are having the same problem. I 
cannot click to add a child, but must use the down menu, I cannot disconnect a 
child by clicking, I must use the little icon. Now I cannot add a source by 
clicking on a source icon. There is a problem with the new version of Legacy. I 
have no trouble with Legacy 7, so I do know how to click. Also with a database 
of over 55,000 people I am definitely sure I learned how to click along the way.


I guess I sound crabby, sorry

Vivian Gullickson White






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RE: [LegacyUG] Ahnentafel report example

[Lee Bruch]

Yes, that would be a very useful type of report.
However, that has nothing to do with what ahnentafel is, and to call it an 
ahnentafel report is misleading.

Some good explanations of ahnentafel are at 
http://www.familychronicle.com/Ahnentafel.html and 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahnentafel


> -Original Message-
> From: Jane Sarles [mailto:sarlesinsi...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 11:23 AM
> To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Ahnentafel report example
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> Here is the type of report that I should like to suggest.  It would be
> nice if we could control which facts we would include in the text.
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> It is just one direct line between a person and his/her ancestor and
> the creator should be able to specify which person and which ancestor.
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> Jane Sarles
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>Direct Line Ahnentafel between Jane Marilyn Wells
> (1) and James H. Hutslar (485)
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> 1.  Jane Marilyn Wells (1) was born on 29 May 1932 at Campbellsburg,
> Brown Township, Washington County, Indiana. She was the daughter of
> Hayward William
>   Wells and Elizabeth Coulter  She married Robert Frank Fitzpatrick
> (2), son of Claude Ray Fitzpatrick (314) and Ruth Hennen (315), on 1
> Aug 1950 at Holy Trinity Church, New Albany, Floyd County, Indiana.
> She married Jerrell Lee Sarles (1680), son of William Cecil Sarles
> (501) and Elsie Irene Stephenson (502), on 31 Aug 1962 at
> Jeffersonville, Clark County, Indiana.
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> He married
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> Minnie Cleveland Tarr (9),
>   on 27 Jul 1927 at Jeffersonville, Clark County, Indiana; They were
> married at the old Clark County Court House.  He died on 11 Oct 1969 at
> Galesburg, Knox County, Illinois, at age 65;
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>  Jane Marilyn
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> County, Indiana. She was the daughter of Joseph Hustlar and Mary Jane
> Blackburn.
> She married Jesse Frederick Wells (248), son of John Austin Wells (245)
> and Nancy Jane Cook (207), on 12 Dec 1902 at Orange County, Indiana.
> She died on 6 Jan 1948 at New Albany, Floyd County, Indiana, at age 65.
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> the son of James H. Hutslar and Susannah Mayo.  He married Mariam
> (Myram) Love (476) on 29 Jul 1856.  He married Julia Overbee (483)on 22
> Oct 1874.  He married Mary Jane Blackburn (421), daughter of Robert
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> is everywhere found, it seems.  He was born on 10 Jan 1805 at Virginia.
> He married Susannah E. Mayo (486), daughter of Mr. Mayo (1692) and
> Unknown Wife (1701), on 17 May 1835 at Orange County, Indiana; Married
> by Reverend Henley from Bluff Spring Church of Chirst.  He married
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RE: [LegacyUG] confirmation dates and error checking

[Lee Bruch]

Wouldn't it be more effective to look up the actual date of Quasi in the 
effective year and enter that date? Many calculations will depend on a date and 
will not calculate a word.

Nevertheless,
I agree that if one accepts the resulting loss of functionality, one should be 
able to mark "not a problem" and have the problem report thereafter go away.

> -Original Message-
> From: sa...@attglobal.net [mailto:sa...@attglobal.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 4:11 PM
> To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] confirmation dates and error checking
>
> Thank you, ALL!! As stated before, the problem is with the error
> checking, not the use of Quasi., etc. While I appreciate all the
> attempts at helping, the answers given do not address the issue.
>
> If I "Mark as Not an Error" the error checking of that item should be
> ignored. It still appears on the Family View. I would like it to
> disappear from at least the family view so I don't have to check the
> problem over and over again. I thought that was the purpose of marking
> it as not an error.
> What am I missing?
>
> Elsie
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Still using 7,5 for some files

[Lee Bruch]

Anne:

Are you trying to use v7.5 to open the 7.5 files? It should work.

Are you trying to use v8.0 to open the 7.5 files? I’m not sure, but don’t think 
that will work.

Have you converted your files from 7.7 to 8.0 and then trying to open them in 
7.5? That won’t work



From: Michele/Support [mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 7:29 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Still using 7,5 for some files



Anne, I am a little confused.



If you have Legacy 7.5 on your computer you can open your 7.5 files no problem.





Michele

Technical Support

mich...@legacyfamilytree.com

www.LegacyFamilyTree.com



From: Anne Hollingshead [mailto:holl...@melbpc.org.au]
Sent: Sunday, March 9, 2014 10:22 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Still using 7,5 for some files




I have many family files in 75


I seem to have no option to open a family file in 7.5



If you don't opt to convert the file to Legacy 8 is there no alternative.





Anne




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RE: [LegacyUG] Re: Verify your subscription to legacyusergroup mailing list

[Lee Bruch]

Carol:  If you’ve read the almost weekly posts while you were subscribed, you 
probably know about this on-going problem and what you should do.  If not, I 
remind you: many people can not successfully subscribe or resubscribe on their 
own.  It’s been an unsolved on-going problem for years.  What you must do:  
Contact supp...@legacyfamilytree.com and ask them to reset your Legacy Users 
Group Account



From: Carolyn [mailto:carog...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 1:24 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Re: Verify your subscription to legacyusergroup mailing list



Hi there



I have clicked on the link to confirm my sub to the LUG, I am a returning LUG 
er after a short holiday, but I am not receiving any of the messages. Can you 
please fix this for me.



Cheers

Carolyn Williams





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RE: [LegacyUG] End of Days - Windows XP - 14 April

[Lee Bruch]

I disagree … I think it is relevant to this list … it is something that WILL 
affect many Legacy users, and many of them may not be aware of it.



From: Ron Bernier [mailto:ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 6:42 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] End of Days - Windows XP - 14 April



Support,



Once again, I ask, can we please put an end to this off topic ramble.  Since 
when it is the responsibility of a software developer to remind folks that an 
OS will no longer be supported by the OS developer.  These comments belong on a 
computer user forum, not the LUG.



Support, thank you in advance for your intervention.



Ron Bernier






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RE: [LegacyUG] Gmail Problems

[Lee Bruch]

I haven’t received phishing warnings on Fry’s emails, nor any others from the 
list (though do receive them periodically re other emails).

Since only some on the email list are receiving the warnings, I suspect its not 
related to Legacy’s email server.



First, those receiving the warnings: can you tell if the warning is being 
generated by your security application or by your email service?



The many different algorithms used by email providers and by security programs 
to sniff our questionable email can be incredibly complex and can result in 
false positives.  They can look for aberrations in many things including who is 
sending it, where it is being sent from, country it is coming from, what 
services its coming through, etc. – as well as various aberrations in the email 
itself.  And along the line it can be filtered by various and sorted  
blacklists.



My independent email provider optionally provides yet another level of security 
and filters some email.  When I began corresponding with some in Germany we 
noticed some of their emails weren’t getting through.  My email provider very 
easily solved that (I’m not sure quite how – whether they just added the 
sources to their own whitelist or subtracted them from a blacklist or whether 
they did it universally or just to my own account.)




On Thursday, December 19, 2013, Mike Fry wrote:

On 2013/12/19 13:06, Michael Fry wrote:
> Clicking on the little 'via' brings up some interesting information. Part of
> which suggests that even though I don't normally email with a browser, I have 
> to
> add me and the LUG as contacts. That's just part of the problem.
>
> The other part of the problem appears is a question of 3rd-party email 
> services:
> i.e. the Legacy mail server, not having verified my name against  my email 
> address.

This time, a reply via Tbird/gmail/legacyusers.com etc.

--
Regards,
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RE: [LegacyUG] Spacation Problem [was Re: LEGACY Digest, Vol 8, Issue 65]

[Lee Bruch]

After looking at your example, I agree that it could well be a problem with 
double spaces.
Explanation:
Words and characters wrap differently with different fonts, views, etc.
What’s at the end of one line in one view or font could be in the middle of a 
following line in another view or font.
Hence,
It you have double spaces at the end of a row in one view or font it would not 
be apparent, but in another view or font that might shift to the middle of a 
word … leaving a strange space in the middle of a word.



On 14 December 2013 15:04, Jay 1FamilyTree <1familytree@gmail.com> wrote:

My problem is not double spaces, but broken words





Here is an example with the broken words in bold



Myra H. Thielen, age 92, of 1619 Armstrong St., Marinette, passed aw ay on 
Saturday, June 3, 2006, after a short battle with cancer. She was bo rn on 
November 29, 1913 to the late  Benjamin A. and Sophia (Bauknecht) Ha nsen in 
Manitowoc. She graduated from Manitowoc High School and from the M anitowoc 
County Teacher College. She married Lester F. Thielen on  Februa ry 9, 1937 in 
Manitowoc. He preceded her in death on May 30, 2000.

She was an active member of St. James Lutheran Church and served as Financ ial 
Secretary for 10 years, and was a member of the Lydia Circle and the c hurch 
choir She was also a  member of the Marinette County Historical Soc iety, the 
Marinette Mental Health Assoc., a Past President of the Marinet te Woman's Club 
and Easter Seal Society, and a charter  member of the Chap ter BK P.E.O. 
Sisterhood and a member of the Sons of Norway. She was a mem ber of the walking 
club and many bridge clubs.

Myra is survived by six children: Mark (Ruth) Thielen, Peter (Mary) Thiel en 
both of Marinette; Paul (Mary Ann) Thielen of Greendale, WI; Jean (Will iam) 
Everson of Fond du Lac;  Anne Thielen of Hortonville, WI and Karn (Pa ul) 
Gregoire of Rhodes, IA; two brothers, Ben (Florence) Hansen of Everet t, WA and 
Philip (Sue) Hansen of Merritt Island, FL; many  grandchildren a nd 
great-grandchildren, who loved her dearly.

In addition to her husband, Lester, three brothers, and a sister preced ed her 
in death.

Friends may call at the Thielen Funeral Home 1403 Newberry Ave. Marinet te on 
Tuesday, June 6 from 4-7 p.m. Funeral Services will be held on Wedne sday, June 
7 at 11a.m. at St  James Lutheran Church with Pastor Darrel Die rs officiating. 
Burial will be in Forest Home Cemetery







It wouldn't be a problem if it were a couple of hundred, but in reality its 
probably well over 20,000



But thanks for taking the time to help.





Jay















On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Kathy Thompson  wrote:

Try a "Search Replace" from the Search menu

Find where > General Notes

Find what > (press the space bar twice to indicate a double space)

Replacement text > (press the space bar once for a single space)



How to find

Tick "Find whole word only"

Tick "Anywhere in the field"

How to replace

Tick "Replace only found text with replacement text"

At bottom of pop-up tick

Come back to this screen after the Search and Replace

Repeat process until no more Double spaces remain





On 13 December 2013 15:27, Jay 1FamilyTree <1familytree@gmail.com> wrote:





Since the recent mention of the 'spacation' errors, I thought, lets at least 
ask to see if maybe some thing had passed me by in the way of a solution.



I have a large database with over 215,000 persons

At least  18,000  have general notes

and there are over 150,000   event records with notes as well.



So, it's a huge job to some day spell check all of those records



The built in spell checker almost works, if it only had a variable to check if 
a space were removed would that solve the error.



I'll look around some other places and maybe there is a solution out there some 
where for me.







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RE: [LegacyUG] sourcing questions

[Lee Bruch]

Don: Good rigorous protocol.

What you are recommending is much like establishing the provenance for artwork. 
You always source the last known source. Then you trace it back each step of 
the way to its origin. Tedious? Yes. But much more accurate than the sloppiness 
found in some genealogy.  And one of the delights of genealogy is being a 
careful and accurate sleuth.



From: Don Hanson [mailto:terra...@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:25 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] sourcing questions



It depends upon who you want to convince. If you are doing the tree for 
yourself, you are the judge of what proof (source) you want to accept. If you 
are creating the tree for a book publisher, they will have their standards of 
proof needed. Remember, sources are like a bibliography that supports 
conclusions made in a research paper. The intended audience dictates how 
thorough you need to be. Facts can be remembered incorrectly, transcripts may 
contain typos, documents can (and are) faked. I enjoy watching shows about 
antiques and art and how they are valued. I marvel at how often things are 
faked. A photocopy of a faked document doesn’t prove that the original wasn’t 
faked. There is no way to validate it. But, for your own personal use, a 
photocopy may be perfectly acceptable. But, I have a short memory, so my source 
would be the person who supplied me with the photocopy, I would link an image 
of the photocopy and I would include a note with as many specifics as I could. 
Things that would help stimulate my memory Unless you are researching for 
another, don’t worry about getting the sourcing to conform to anyone’s 
standards. It’s all changeable if you decide to change your methods later.

Don



From: Kirsty M. Haining [mailto:khain...@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 3:02 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] sourcing questions



Don, I’m confused a bit.  If you’re looking at an image file of a document, are 
you saying that this image could be bogus because it’s not the actual paper 
document? Maybe I didn’t go to the courthouse, but I have a digital photocopy 
of the document that I am looking at.  Why is this not sufficient for “what I, 
myself, know”?



Thanks,

Kirsty

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RE: [LegacyUG] keyboard shortcuts again

[Lee Bruch]

Robert: excellent idea … Legacy: could such be added?



Dee: Keyboard shortcuts in newer MS products, incl. Office, are now limited to 
those w/ Alt-, Ctrl-, and F- Keys.  Legacy has the choice of not following MS 
standards and having unintended consequences / conflicts, or following them.



From: Robert57P_gmail [mailto:robert...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 10:35 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] keyboard shortcuts again



Even better, a list that shows OLD SHORTCUTÂ  and NEW SHORTCUT (with "n/a" in 
the NEW SHORTCUT column for ones that no longer work) and what they do.Â

This should actually also be included in the HELP so it is available for us 
long-term.  I'm sure there will be some old non-working shortcuts that I will 
stumble upon weeks or months from now that I wonder "why isn't this working".  
Having the old and new (and "gone") all included in the list would allow me to 
explain the non-functioning shortcut (and would avoid me thinking I was going 
crazy!)

Thanks,
Bob



On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 8:52 PM, Dee Whiting   
 wrote:

I have read the thread and must add that the removal of the keyboard
shortcuts has killed my desire to buy the new version. I had it in my cart,
along with all the new CDs, but backed off when I tried the free version and
experienced this loss.  I use keyboard shortcuts all the time and would
encourage Legacy to add them back, whether the same or different. I am a
genealogy teacher and have always encouraged my students to buy Legacy. I
can’t count how many have done so. I cannot endorse the new version.

We all know that the Office ribbon has two- and three-letter keyboard
shortcuts. Please do the same for Legacy power users! A ribbon is not modern
if it has the look but not the features.

Hoping for an update,

Dee









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[LegacyUG] Beta testing

[Lee Bruch]

At one time, after the formalized Beta testing by professionals, often software 
was released to the general public still labeled as “Beta” for the first while.

This had several benefits:

1.   The wider “public” group, using a much wider assortment of software, 
hardware, and personal configurations,  would discover the needs for additional 
tweaks to be included in updates prior to removing the “Beta” designation.

2.   It would establish expectations of the users.  The users would realize 
that they are utilizing a very early version and that some glitches are bound 
to be discovered and corrected.

3.   It would serve as a warning to less-experienced users that they may 
want to wait awhile until the remaining kinks were ironed out.



On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 12:48 PM, John B. Lisle  wrote:

C G,

Let me say something at the outset what may be uncomfortable to hear, L8 was 
released with fewer known bugs than L7.0 had when it was released and that L7.5 
has now. This is just a numerical fact from the bug tracking system. We are 
just accustomed to the bugs in L7.5...

That does not say that L8 is perfect... that never happens... L8 testing and 
development had gotten to the point that among the testers, we were not seeing 
new data destroying bugs.

As a retired long time test manager, I knew the product was ready to be exposed 
to a wider audience. Millennia made that decision that the time was right, and, 
if you look back at this list from when L7.0 was released, you will see many 
more birthing pains then than we are having with L8.

When support got swamped with new orders, myself, and several of the other 
testers, have chosen to fill in here to help the user base with the birth of 
L8. It has been a full time, unpaid job for the past several days. ;-)






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RE: [LegacyUG] Not happy with v8

[Lee Bruch]

Maybe its because you didn’t install v.8 in the default location … that’s the 
location that Microsoft’s windows now uses as a recommended standard



From: C.G. Ouimet [mailto:c.g.oui...@outlook.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 2:50 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Not happy with v8



I’m glad you’re happy but in my opinion, v8 is the worse Legacy update to date 
… More broken things than in any other release … Have fun …







C.G. Ouimet

Kingston ON



From: Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com]
Sent: December 01, 2013 05:40 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not happy with v8



Well, I for one think that the additional features and improvements are WELL 
worth the upgrade!



We all no that not everyone will be pleased, so a few unhappy soles are to be 
expected.



I think they did the right thing in that the location of installation was 
previously causing them much time and expense

and that by falling in line with other 'Windows' security and operating 
guidelines they can now spend more time devoted to solving genealogy problems 
and not Operating system problems!!



And since we are not 'privy' to the numbers, who is to say the few issues 
reported here are probably a very small percentage in relationship to the total 
sales



There are still improvements to be made, but this was a good step forward!!!



Kudos,

Jay









On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Lloyd Hite  wrote:

On 12/1/2013 4:56 PM, C.G. Ouimet wrote:

But I may also move to RootsMagic and, since there’s no Legacy ability to 
import from RootsMagic, that would be a one-way move …

Â

As far as I’m concerned, I wasted $39 to downgrade to v8

I have already made the move.

Lloyd



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RE: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts

[Lee Bruch]

I suspect the difference will be the general public who uses computers & 
tablets to ACCESS things will use touchscreens, those of us who actually 
PRODUCE things on the computer, be it developers or writers or genealogists or  
for business will continue to use keyboards



From: Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 6:39 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts







(And in reference to the future of keyboards, I would not ever dare to suggest 
that that is for everyone, especially programmers, but the general public will 
surely be keyboard-less depending on the acceptance curve along with the 
decrease in costs for touch screens,)










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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 Installation - Avast Antivirus - file prevalence/reputation is low msdev.exe

[Lee Bruch]

What is this comment about?

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> prevalence/reputation is low msdev.exe
>
> You have not had Legacy 8.0 for the past.5 yrs.
>
> Ron Ferguson
> http://www.fergys.co.uk/
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RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event

[Lee Bruch]

Would be nice if there were a matrix showing most of the ways to enter each 
kind of data, and constraints and attributes of each, including which allowed 
searching, produced various types of reports, etc.

> -Original Message-
> From: Michele/Support [mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com]
> Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 11:04 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
>
> Legacy allows you the flexibility to enter information in different
> ways.  It all depends on how you want the information displayed on your
> screen and in your reports.  It depends on how you want to be able to
> sort and search for things.   If there was only one way to do something
> then people would complain that they can’t do it a different way :)
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Search for all people in one county

[Lee Bruch]

Kathy:

Any database, or any search tool that might be invented for use with a database 
that I can imagine, would depend on your entering things in an accurate and 
consistent manner.

“Brechinn angus” will be understood by a database as one specific entry. 
“Angus”  will be understood by a database as an entirely unrelated entry. And 
“Angus Scotland” will be understood as yet a third completely unrelated entry.

That’s just the way most all databases work. No database can read your mind – 
it will search for identical things that you tell it to search.

If you want to use search and global features, I believe you may have to redo 
each entry into a consistent format.





From: Kathy Thompson [mailto:kmthoms...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 8:17 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Search for all people in one county



I do understand that Bruce, but when I first started I would simply put in (as 
examples)

Angus

Brechin angus (complete with no capital and no comma)
Angus Scotland (again, complete with no comma)

so you see, I can't very well sort like the program can do because Angus isn't 
going to come up in the first position if there are no commas there

Hence I need a search feature to help me find all of these stray locations so 
that I can actually get things organised and standardised.





On 11 November 2013 14:06, Bruce Jones  wrote:

Kathy,

When they say to "standardize" your location, it doesn't mean they have to have 
a specific number of positions, just that they need to be entered in a 
consistent manner; i.e. either from smallest to largest or from largest to 
smallest, regardless of the number of positions. So,

If you have locations entered as follows:

Sublimity, Marion, Oregon, USA

Marion, Oregon, USA

Oregon, USA

Salem, Marion, Oregon, USA

123 Anystreet, Sublimity, Marion, Oregon, USA


they are consistently entered from smallest to largest.
Then, go to "View", "Master Lists", "Location"

Click on "Sort"

Click on "Right to Left" on Direction of Sort

Then they will be listed as


USA, Oregon

USA, Oregon, Marion

USA, Oregon, Marion, Salem

USA, Oregon, Marion, Sublimity

USA, Oregon, Marion, Sublimity, 123 Anystreet


So, all the Oregons will be together, all the Marions will be together, all the 
Sublimitys will be together etc.

This may or may not help you, but I wanted to make sure you understood what is 
being said








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RE: [LegacyUG] Subscription

[Lee Bruch]

How have you managed to see the replies?  Are you able to receive from the user 
group but not Legacy News?

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> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 10:33 AM
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>
> Thanks for all the replies and for trying to help.
> I know I am subscribed to the User Group, but the point is I am not
> receiving emails from either the Legacy News or the User Group.
> Emails are definitely not going into the Spam or Deleted folder.
> Anne
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RE: [LegacyUG] Â Â Â

[Lee Bruch]

PS to below

The web is full of discussions about these weird characters.  I’ve never seen a 
comprehensive discussion of this .. there are a wide variety of encoding 
issues: the  discussions I’ve found focus on a few each, but none very 
comprehensively.  So I’ve gotten used to “reading between the lines” when 
needed.

A few of the discussions are listed below – the first 2 particular to G-Mail:

http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/gmail/X4Df0tTvs7I


https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.support.thunderbird/vK33BnPhouc


http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/office/forum/office_2007-outlook/strange-characterssymbols-in-returned-emails/be19f983-27cc-4d61-99d1-f94a372ef31c


http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook-help/turn-formatting-marks-on-or-off-HA010274555.aspx



http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-networking/strange-alphabet-characters-show-up-in-sent-and/3594fc53-097a-4add-b923-84db73315156





From: Lee Bruch [mailto:lbr...@nwlink.com]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 5:53 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Â Â Â



There are different ways of setting up how a computer and/or email program 
reads and displays characters.  This, and many other strange characters, appear 
because of an incompatibility between email or computer settings on either 
your, the original poster’s, or one of the other posters settings. It is 
particularly a problem that occurs when the various computers are set up to 
work in various countries and various languages.



I correspond w/ people in various languages and from various countries and am 
on many mail lists from various countries; I’ve  have played around with many 
settings but have never found a setting that works with all (though some 
settings are better than others).



From: Douglas Tighe [mailto:littlehand...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 5:35 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Â Â Â



Can someone please explain the uses of this letter "Â ". which quite often is 
used. I live in Australia and its not something we use, am I missing out on 
something.

Cheers

Doug Tighe







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RE: [LegacyUG] Â Â Â

[Lee Bruch]

There are different ways of setting up how a computer and/or email program 
reads and displays characters.  This, and many other strange characters, appear 
because of an incompatibility between email or computer settings on either 
your, the original poster’s, or one of the other posters settings. It is 
particularly a problem that occurs when the various computers are set up to 
work in various countries and various languages.



I correspond w/ people in various languages and from various countries and am 
on many mail lists from various countries; I’ve  have played around with many 
settings but have never found a setting that works with all (though some 
settings are better than others).



From: Douglas Tighe [mailto:littlehand...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 5:35 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Â Â Â



Can someone please explain the uses of this letter "Â ". which quite often is 
used. I live in Australia and its not something we use, am I missing out on 
something.

Cheers

Doug Tighe









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RE: [LegacyUG] Words

[Lee Bruch]

Fraktur is old germanic script
See http://www.omniglot.com/writing/german.htm or better, but its all in 
German: http://www.mikrolisk.de/show.php/101/chapter_5
You are faced with trying to decipher fraktur if you research old German 
records.
It was superseded by Sutterlin script in the early 1900's, which disappeared in 
1940's to the current script.

> -Original Message-
> From: Henry [mailto:henr...@verizon.net]
> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:57 PM
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> Subject: [LegacyUG] Words
>
> Good Evening to All
> Creating a Master Source I came across some words that I am not sure of
> the Meaning.
> 1. Fraktur
> 2. Certified Transcriptions
> Google was no help.
> Can anyone help.
> Thanks in advance and good night to all.
> Henry
>
> ---
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RE: [LegacyUG] Font size for sources

[Lee Bruch]

A critical clue???  The OP is having the sources display as endnotes.

Is it perhaps an issue that endnotes don’t adjust with, and size like, the rest 
of the report?



From: Barbara [mailto:brc...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 6:36 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Font size for sources



Paula:  Yes, I'm running the latest version.  The PDF also comes out with a 
small font size for the sources.  I'm having the sources display as endnotes. 
 I don't know if that makes a difference.  Thank you again!
Barbara

On 9/27/2013 6:11 PM, Paula Ryburn wrote:

Are you running the latest version? Â 7.5.0.270 Â (August 20th)



I understand completely about not resetting report options. Â I think that's 
not a good "solution" to any problem.



Does this happen no matter what type of output you are generating? Â For 
example, the HTML output doesn't appear to use the font size parameter when I 
test that. Â The PDF did use the font size setting. Â It worked for the .BMP 
output, too. Â I don't see an RTF option for the Individual Report.



I have exhausted my ideas. Â I hope someone else chimes in for you.Â

--PaulaÂ






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RE: [LegacyUG] Missing Media

[Lee Bruch]

L-tools has posted on their website (zippersoftware.com) a matrix of their 
potential compatibility and non-compatibility with Legacy V8.

Lee



From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 7:51 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Missing Media



Ron,

Really? Since no details of the construction of V8 and its tables have been 
published,may I ask how you know?

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

Ron Walter  wrote:

Have you reviewed what will no longer be supported by LTools when Legacy V8 
comes out?  The list is significant.  Would you still recommend it for the same 
price?

Thanks

Ron








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RE: [LegacyUG] Last modified date reset on update - NEW INFO

[Lee Bruch]

Did you visit and link with Family Search on computer where the dates were NOT 
modified?

If not, then Dave’s message perhaps explains why.

And if not, if you are willing to experiment (after backing up) try visiting 
and linking with Family Search on that computer, then tell us the result.



From: 2marion wimps [mailto:2wi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 6:26 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Last modified date reset on update - NEW INFO



That still doesn't answer why all of my dates have been modified on one 
computer - but not on the other!





On 20 September 2013 06:25, David Dearth  wrote:

These odd changes to the Modified Date do seem to be related to using Family 
Search from within Legacy.  Many thanks to Bob who discovered this.  I know 
that Jim from tech support said that this was not reversible, however, that 
would seem to not be the case.  Since I have been still holding off entering 
new information, I tried to restore from my last backup before August 29 - and 
it worked!  No errors, and best of all, my old modified dates have returned!  
The only thing I need to re-enter is the info that I was working on the day I 
updated and visited Family Search.  So the latest version does indeed seem to 
work when restoring an older backup from previous version.  I will not be 
visiting Family Search again from within Legacy unless I know this has been 
fixed.



Everything in my data appears to be ok, unless there is something else I don't 
see that is not right about the database.



Dave





From: Ronald Bernier 

Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 9:03 AM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Cc: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Last modified date reset on update



This is yet another example of why I will not use FS.  Overall, linking to FS 
seems to be creating problems that far outweigh any benefits.  I will stick 
with manually searching FS and/or Ancestry.  If any changes are made or data 
added to my database, it will be by my choice only.

Ron Bernier
Woonsocket, RI
Sent from iCloud


On Sep 13, 2013, at 08:55 AM, singhals  wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that FS changed the
last-modified date in one's desktop data. I know for a fact
that merely /looking/ at the details at FS creates a
change-record and stamps you as the maker of the last change.

Cheryl

Bob Janice wrote:



Since it appears that my dates have changed also, I did a little bit of

playing around tonight trying to pinpoint the problem. What made me

curious was the fact that some people said their dates did change while

others said they didn't.

I noticed that the last modified date would change if I logged into

Family Search from within Legacy and simply looked at the possible

matches for an individual. I simply looked - didn't update any of the

information either from or to Family Search.

If someone else could take a look at this it MAY explain why some

peoples dates changed and others did not. Perhaps those that did had

accessed Family Search and those that didn't did not access it. Just a

thought . . .



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[LegacyUG] RE: [LegacyFS] Need info about "Families"

[Lee Bruch]

All:

see message below to the Legacy Family Search list , given her problems with 
this list, please respond to her directly



Legacy:

there is absolutely no excuse for you to have the well-known problems with list 
subscriptions … they date back at least 3 years when I had innumerable problems 
subscribing and I’ve seen pleas after pleas by others since. Again: there’s no 
excuse. FIX IT!!!



Lee Bruch



From: Barbara Lewis [mailto:lewisro...@comcast.net]
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 3:28 PM
To: legac...@legacyusers.com
Subject: [LegacyFS] Need info about "Families"



Forgive me for this question on this list, but I keep trying to get on the 
Users list and have asked for support help and it just doesn't happen.



I have to make a decision about buying an iPad by tomorrow and have to know if 
the software" Families" is what Legacy users use.  I don't know how it works, 
but I need the ipad to take out of town and wondered if I can use that to take 
my Legacy filesand...and if so, will having to purchase the new 8 in the 
hopefully near future,  will that change "Families?"..I really appreciate 
help on this from someone who had used “Families.”

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RE: [LegacyUG] Census event question

[Lee Bruch]

Hmmm ... strange ... Google Maps may be different from Google Earth (???)
Google, at https://support.google.com/maps/answer/2533464?hl=en, says that 
"Google Maps coordinates are expressed in decimal degrees to comply with the 
most common Geographic Information Systems."
But I, too, am on Google Earth and it is reporting in degrees, minutes, seconds

> -Original Message-
> From: Brian/Support [mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 10:37 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census event question
>
> Interesting that you say Google Mapping uses Decimal degrees but I am
> on Google earth right now and it is using dms for my location display.
>
> Brian
> Customer Support
> Millennia Corporation
> br...@legacyfamilytree.com
> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
> --
>
> On 15/08/2013 12:41 PM, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote:
> > Legacy uses a standard, but the reality is that all the better online
> > mapping systems (Including Google ) all use the Decimal system, I
> wish
> > Legacy would change.
> >
> > Jay
> >




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RE: [LegacyUG] Odd situation with individual report

[Lee Bruch]

Aarrgghh!!

Somehow my email, when I opened it, had lots of extremely bold fonts … I didn’t 
send it that way..

I hope that appeared only on my computer and not all of yours.

If so, I apologize. I don’t know what went wrong.



From: Lee Bruch [mailto:lbr...@nwlink.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 4:07 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Odd situation with individual report



Leslie:

It seems you may have presumed you were responding directly to Ron and Brian.  
However, you responded to the entire list (which doesn’t like attachments.




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RE: [LegacyUG] Odd situation with individual report

[Lee Bruch]

Leslie:

It seems you may have presumed you were responding directly to Ron and Brian.  
However, you responded to the entire list (which doesn’t like attachments.

When responding directly to a person, respond to their own email address – 
don’t just hit “reply” – “reply” goes back to the entire list.



From: Leslie Jackson [mailto:l...@provide.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 3:42 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Odd situation with individual report



Thanks Ron,

Yes, I have viewed the marriage list and there is nothing for these children. I 
have attached a sample file for your review. The Alleged spouse on the 
individual report was born Cir 1954. See the Birth, Death dates of the person 
Dan Alexander. I also sent this to Brian who has responded to my request. All 
the children have the notation "never married and had no children". Also note 
the name index and how Kathy has an additional page.

Thanks, Again,

Les




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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy Family Tree 8 Revealed - SORTING

[Lee Bruch]

I suspect that version 8 is much too close to release to add new ideas at this 
time. Hopefully some of these ideas already  have been included. But hopefully  
no-one will be disappointed if any of these last-minute ideas aren’t included.



As with any new release, an outpouring of ideas usually accompanies the 
release. Perfect!!! This is the very best time to start gathering thoughts for 
a future version.  I hope Millennia is noting these ideas … and we should all 
make sure to post our ideas to Millennia on their “Suggest a new feature” form 
mentioned below.



From: C. DeLay [mailto:casta...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 5:23 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Family Tree 8 Revealed - SORTING



Sorting by birth date or death date would be awesome (I have several books of 
transcribed wills and it would be great to see all the possible tree members 
who may be in each book instead of just plodding through person by person and 
having to go back to each book multiple times).



On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Larry Lee  wrote:

Roland,



Interesting idea. It also be useful to sort on some of the other available 
fields as well.





You can submit a suggestion to Millennia by selecting "Suggest a new feature" 
from the Support box in the lower right side of the Legacy Home page.




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ldlee...@gmail.com






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RE: [LegacyUG] Log of Changes

[Lee Bruch]

In access could you not create a field that records the date of each change for 
every record, which would then be searchable by date ranges?

> -Original Message-
> From: Mike Fry [mailto:emjay...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 12:21 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Log of Changes
>
> On 2013/07/25 03:01, Brian/Support wrote:
>
> > There is no separate log file. Legacy only records the date changed
> > for individual and marriage records. You can search of people whose
> > individual or marriage change date is on a certain date, after a date
> > or before a date using Search > Find > Detailed Search.
>
> To accomplish what the OP asked, you first need a database that
> produces a journal. This is a file that when applied to a previous
> backup, allows you to come forward in time towards when the current
> file lost its' integrity. I don't think Access possesses such an
> animal.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mike Fry
> Johannesburg (g)
>





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RE: [LegacyUG] Apostrophe in Filenames

[Lee Bruch]

You forgot one of the other “standard” characters: the hyphen “-“



Unfortunately, long ago I started my filename syntax .. which I still use .. 
including spaces, limited punctuation, capitals, & lower case.  Works for me.  
But I have to adjust them whenever putting something together for websites (no 
spaces, limited punctuation) and in some cases, sharing files with others.  I 
wish I had started out using the standard characters only, but am to date I’ve 
been too lazy to change my *many* existing documents.



MS’s list of “reserved” characters does not apply in many filename situations, 
especially naming files for use on websites. And I vaguely think I remember 
coming across my use of characters which were not on their reserved list but 
still didn’t work with some MS applications.



Lee



From: Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 10:47 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Apostrophe in Filenames



As both Ron and Cheryl have mentioned, their own personal feelings are that for 
overall safety, it is better to avoid using some characters that potentially 
could be misinterpreted.

What some may not understand, is to step back and realize that MAYBE, SOMEDAY 
your data MAYBE processed thru some program / software
that POSSIBLY may have it's own little quirk (That's not a bug,  but 
intentional by that software programmers)

There are a lot of IF's and Maybe's, but don't blame the software or the 
resulting data.

Like Cheryl,  My own PERSONAL feeling is that
I am going to stick to using only  abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz1234567890_

whenever I create any file name

so that, if, by chance, I run my data thru, a software that may misinterpret 
that data.

My own pet peeve is the data where a first name has somehow gotten moved from 
the given name field into the surname field. I don't know whose software/ 
gedcom process did that, but there sure was a lot of it years ago.
Thank G, I don't see it as often any more.

Other listers here should not see this as an argument or attack on the way YOU 
manage YOUR data, but just as advice to consider.

Thanks

Jay













On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 8:10 AM, Ron Ferguson  
wrote:

Bobby,

I never said that it was. What I did say was "that for absolute safety
...". One should always take into consideration that programmers may use
codes, other than the ones which I quoted, in other ways, but using only the
ones which I quoted is safe.

"IMO" In My Opinion

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.couk/ 

-Original Message-
From: Bobby Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 3:39 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Apostrophe in Filenames

Ron and Cheryl,
The apostrophe is NOT one of the reserved characters listed on Microsoft's
list of reserved characters.  It works well in all parts of Legacy except in
this one place and it works well with all other programs.  It even sorts
properly.  It SHOULD work in picture center as well but it doesn't  I think
it is a bug.

Bobby

-Original Message-
From: singhals [mailto:singhals@erolscom  ]
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 10:01 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Apostrophe in Filenames

Bobby Johnson wrote:
> I recently decided to clean up my multimedia filenames so that my
> picture files and document files were consistent.  I, like most, use
> names of people in pictures and most documents as part of the
> filename.  I was using the Picture Center to accomplish this task
> The problem I ran into was using an apostrophe in names like
> O'Donnell.  If I had a group photo, I would attach the photo to each
> of the individuals in the photo after editing the filename using the
> rename button.  I would then use the blue navigation arrows near the
> bottom of the right panel(next/previous person using picture) to check
> my work.  It worked great until I had a filename that contained
> O'Donnell.  In this case when I clicked on either arrow the program
> would not react.  I got no error message and no change in the highlighted
> individual.  If I deleted the apostrophe the arrows functioned properly.
> I have submitted this as a bug.

It's not a bug, though.

If you want to be sure your file-name survives a move from one computer to
another or from you to me, never use anything in the file name other than
abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz1234567890_

And IMO it's safest to put the unique info in the first 7 spaces.

NOT that I follow that these days, but I'm sure I'll regret not doing it
sooner or later.

Cheryl




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RE: [LegacyUG] Pauper ancestor

[Lee Bruch]

Public relief and public assistance for the poor dates as far back as the 
1500's in England. In the US, it dates back to the 1700's - and in some cases 
before. In 1642 the Plymouth Colony decreed that all towns were to "make 
competent puision (sic - provision) for the mayntenance of their poore..."   
Public relief throughout most of history into the late 1800's was usually at 
the town level. Interestingly, in what is now Germany, many towns, to rid 
themselves of the expense of maintaining their poor, paid the entire cost for 
the family to emigrate to America.  The form of assistance varied considerably, 
from place to place and from time to time. In some cases it was a monetary 
allowance, in other cases almshouses and poor houses were established. After 
the revolutionary war in the states there were a number of meager assistance 
programs established for families and widows of soldiers. But it was only in 
the late 1800's, and more commonly in the early to mid 1900's that some central 
governments began to take on some of the responsibility.

Churches too played an very important role. But it is a misconception that the 
only assistance was from churches.

> -Original Message-
> From: Erin [mailto:eb_pa...@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 2:36 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Pauper ancestor
>
> 10 children will do that to you.  Some how I am not sure that in the
> 1700's there was much government assistance (IMHO), but it could have
> been church assistance.
>






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RE: [LegacyUG] DNA results

[Lee Bruch]

It's there as evidence along with other important evidence (evidence such as 
photos, records of birth, christening, marriage, immigration, death, family 
bibles, property records, etc.)
It's part of the total picture that genealogy attempts to provide.

> -Original Message-
> From: Bobby Johnson [mailto:b...@brmemc.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 2:48 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] DNA results
>
> Certainly DNA is a good research tool, but recording it in Legacy does
> not give you any additional tools.  It is just there and serves no
> other purpose.
> Bobby
>




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RE: [LegacyUG] Register for Webinar Wednesday: How Knowing the Law Makes Us Better Genealogists by Judy Russell

[Lee Bruch]

His messages format just fine on my ‘puter



From: Eliz Hanebury [mailto:elizhg...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 3:35 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Register for Webinar Wednesday: How Knowing the Law 
Makes Us Better Genealogists by Judy Russell



No, his messages are fine with my mail program




Eliz
Not Today and Not without a Fight
(Anon)

For all that has been, thanks.
For all that will be, yes.
(Dag Hammarskjold)



On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Shirley Richardson  
wrote:

Do others have a problem with Geoff's messages in this Users Group? The spacing 
between the lines are so close together it is difficult to read. And sometimes 
two lines on top of each other making it impossible to read.



Regards

Shirley

NZ

- Original Message -

From: Geoff Rasmussen 

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 7:03 AM

Subject: [LegacyUG] Register for Webinar Wednesday: How Knowing the Law Makes 
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RE: [LegacyUG] marriages

[Lee Bruch]

It's unfortunate that the linking occurs via the marriage record.
Many children both throughout history and currently are born without a marriage.
But it sounds like it may be imbedded deep in the coding.

I can live with it, realizing that what Legacy calls a "marriage" really isn't 
what is usually called a marriage. Legacy's use of the word "marriage" appears 
to just mean the linking of people, and it may or may not signify a formal 
marriage.

Lee

> -Original Message-
> From: Ron Taylor [mailto:doit4...@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 9:40 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] marriages
>
> Pat (and others),
>
> It is quite obvious that you have not carefully read my postings on
> this topic.  Please re-read them.  The database operates with 2 main
> tables.  One for individuals and another for marriages.  There are many
> other tables that also come into play to store various things.  If a
> person is linked to another person it is done with the marriage record.
> That record can link spouses and children of the marriage.  Without a
> marriage record there are no connections to other individuals.  It's
> that simple.
>

>

> Ron Taylor
>




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RE: [LegacyUG] New FamilySearch

[Lee Bruch]

And it appears that after June 30 (old) new family search (yeah, ignore the 
“new”, it is now the old version) will be unavailable for changes. Family Tree 
is the replacement site.  It’s a new product, but the information (all? some? 
Most? Of the information) contained in (old) new Family search has been ported 
into Family Tree.



And fortunately, Legacy announced today that the LDS has approved their linking 
to Family Tree and will shortly (before June 30) issue an update that will make 
that link available to Legacy users.





From: Michele Lewis [mailto:ancestor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 2:23 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Cc: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] New FamilySearch



New FamilySearch is being replaced by Family Tree.

Michele

Robert57P_gmail  wrote:

I think I missed something.  I keep seeing conflicting references:
* Some say New Family Search is/was shut down
* Some say the program can/will still interface with it

Is this just semantics (just a new name for same thing)?  Or is "NEW Family 
Search" shutting down and being replaced by "Family Search" (no "NEW" in 
name).  Or is it being replaced by "FamilyTree" (first time I've heard this 
name is in the below e-mail.  Geez - do ya think they could have come up with 
any more of a generic term for a product name!?!?).Â

Is the new one (by whatever the name) just a renamed/re-branded version of "NEW 
Family Search"?  Or is it a totally different product (new company, new 
interface, new log-in, etc, etc)?

Thanks,
Bob

On 06/21/2013 13:08, Luc Comeau wrote:

Hi,



We will be making a more formal announcement soon/today. Â Legacy just received 
certification for Tree Share for FamilyTree. Â We will releasing an update for 
Legacy with the FamilyTree access next week before the 30th.





Thanks,
Luc Comeau
Legacy Family Tree



On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 5:42 AM, Michele Lewis  wrote:

The official switchover date from New FamilySearch to FamilyTree is June 30th. 
  On that date you will no longer be able to make changes in nFS.  Will 
Legacy have FamilyTree interface ready by then so that we can access FamilyTree 
directly from Legacy?

Â

Michele









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RE: [LegacyUG] Never married option in Legacy 8

[Lee Bruch]

It’s not just an issue with 21st century.

In the 17th and 18th century (maybe at other times too) in some areas of what 
is now called Germany there were various sanctioned traditions of having 
children outside of marriage. (Some of these were called “farm marriages”).

In some locations (especially if a proposed marriage involved either a man and 
woman relocating from a different governing jurisdiction) the couple had to 
prove they were capable of having a child (by having one) prior to a decision 
on whether relocation to the other jurisdiction was or was not allowed to 
occur, and prior to a “marriage” being approved to occur (either by either the 
church or the civil jurisdictions or both).



From: Larry Lee [mailto:ldlee...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:24 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Never married option in Legacy 8



John, etal,



I have seen this discussion several times in the past and presented my thoughts 
to the compendium. I favor being able to assign the proper titles in the labels 
in Family View.



I dislike having to make my data 'fit' the software! I also prefer not to put 
minutiae in my notes for things the program should accommodate.



So, I agree. Relationship window is more correct. Allowing the use of 
relationship titles, as a marriage option, would enable the user to keep their 
data as they prefer.



Although I am 'old school' I realize we have moved into the 21st century and 
need to be able to use today's terminology within Legacy.




Larry Lee

ldlee...@gmail.com





On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 9:10 AM, John Zimmerman  wrote:

Why not simply rename the "Marriage Indormation Window" to call it the 
"Relationship Information Window"?

John Zimmerman
Mesa, AZ

Sent from my iPhone 5


On Jun 18, 2013, at 8:32 AM, Ronald Bernier  wrote:

> Just curious - how is Millennia confusing newbies?  Maybe Millennia could 
> take a cue from Heredis and call the term to partner.  Of course, this would 
> satisfy some and have others up in arms.
>
> The only other option is for those who are not happy with the program to 
> consider writing their own program.  Then, they could have the exact 
> terminology they want and not try to force a change for those who are 
> satisfied with the status quo.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 18, 2013, at 11:25 AM, "Mike Fry"  wrote:
>
>> On 2013/06/18 16:33, Sherry/Support wrote:
>>
>>> It's incorrect to separate "never married" and "had no children"
>>>
>>> When a person has a child, a relationship is established with another 
>>> person - a
>>> "marriage" is created whether or not the couple was actually married. It 
>>> takes
>>> two to make a child (even if one of them is an anonymous sperm donor!) and 
>>> both
>>> parents need to be shown.
>>>
>>> On the "marriage" screen, you can indicate that the couple never married 
>>> and set
>>> the Status to "Unmarried" or another choice.
>>>
>>> But there must be a relationship with another person to create a child.
>>>
>>> Therefore it would be incorrect to say "this person never married" if there 
>>> was
>>> a child because a relationship has to be established in Legacy to create 
>>> that
>>> child.
>>>
>>> There is no 100% certain way to know if a person never had any children 
>>> unless
>>> he or she died before puberty I'm sure all of us have at least one 
>>> "hidden"
>>> marriage or child that was never acknowledged
>>
>> Ain't English a funny language :-) Methinks it's time for Millennium to sort
>> their terminology out and stop confusing newbies.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Mike Fry
>> Johannesburg (g)
>>
>>
>>




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RE: [LegacyUG] Appropriate ancestral town location

[Lee Bruch]

Or to have two sets of fields: location at time of event and current location

> -Original Message-
> From: Bernd Hornung [mailto:ber@telus.net]
> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 10:53 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Appropriate ancestral town location
>
> I have similar issues with German locations before the unification.
> Documentation is based on the locations used at the time so States such
> as Prussia now do not exist.  I also have issues with locations in the
> Baltic States where the documentation refers to the German name for the
> location but in order to find the place, the program needs the current
> identification to find it on the map.  It is nice to be able to locate
> the place to see where they may have moved to or what other places are
> nearby.
>
> It would be nice to have and option to add an alternative name (as used
> in the person options) and have it linked to the current geo location.
>
> Bernie




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[LegacyUG] Digital Preservation Link

[Lee Bruch]

Here's a great link to info re digital preservation that I received from 
another listserv


>
> The following link from the Library of Congress in Washington, DC, will
> provide you an informative document that deals with all the issues of
> preserving your family history research digitally.
>
> http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/documents/ebookpdf_march18.pdf
>
> A tip of the hat goes to the SGGEE Listserv where I first saw this
> link.
>
> Best Wishes
> Allyn
>
>





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RE: [LegacyUG] Historic Surnames

[Lee Bruch]

Exactly … that’s the point IO was making



From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 10:35 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Historic Surnames



I think that we should be careful of confusing nick names with real names “The 
Lionheart” and “The Terrible” are nick names. We have two English Prime 
Ministers William Pitt the Elder and William Pitt the Younger they were both 
named “William Pitt”; “the Elder” and “the younger” were nick names used to 
specifically identify them.



You could, I suppose, put them as suffixes in the Alt Name, if you so wish.



Ron Ferguson

http://www.fergys.co.uk/





From: Bernd Hornung <mailto:ber@telus.net>

Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 5:42 PM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUserscom <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com>

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Historic Surnames



I was thinking of opening this line of discussion at some time as I have also 
pondered how to best handled the "vons, van ders, etc" in Legacy.  Putting the 
von in the surname comes out OK in reports (as far as I can tell) but it 
appears as the surname when you do an Internet search of FamilySearch, either 
site.  But, if you put the von as prefix or suffix it just doesn't look right 
in the Family View.

I have several "the Elder", "the Younger" or even "I-II-III" and use the suffix 
for this.  I do use the prefix for "Doctor, Professor, or noble title".

Lee - I was thinking of Ivan the Terrible as an example, but yours is better.

There is so much to learn in switching to Legacy that it is sometimes 
overwhelming, but these discussions have been helpful.  Thanks to all.

Bernie



On 29/05/2013 10:08 AM, Lee Bruch wrote:

I totally agree with other posters … I’d use “of Cleves” or “von 
Cleve” as the last name since there is no standard family “last name” in 
many German or English aristocracy.

Incidentally, you may want to verify the “der Freiliche” part … I think 
that’s an error.  In many sources, including Wikipedia, it’s “der 
Friedfertige” or “der Friedlich” … it’s a descriptor meaning “the 
peaceful”, much like the descriptor “Richard the Lionhearted”

Â

From: lee zuker [mailto:lee...@msn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 7:16 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Historic Surnames

Â

ItI have been unable to find a standard for handling surnames, and I am 
wondering if some have a good solution to this problem:

Â

I have many ancestors, like most of use, back in the 14th century and older.

And I don't know what to do with the pieces of their names that where basically 
their "surname" is "from somewhere".

take a simple one…

Anne of Cleves, daughter of John III, Duke of Cleves

Since there is no family surname, i am using "of Cleves" as a surname.

But if there were a known family surname, as sometimes there is, would "of 
Cleves" become a suffix?

and for her father, would his surname be "Duke of Cleves"?

Â

With Legacy, since there is a separate prefix, Duke could be a prefix, but then 
the order of is changed.

Â

and then there is the nagging "Sir"…...  that could also be the prefix.


or the surname "of Cleves", and the suffix then be "Duke", or some other way.

Â

Â

According to Wikipedia his real name is"

  "Herzog Johann III der Freiliche Von Kleve herzog von Juelich 
und von Berg" [Herzog is Duke in German]

  personally I tend to put all this in AKA

Â


would be interested in any standard or approach that anyone might be interested 
in sharing

Â

Lee Zuker

Shelton, WA







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RE: [LegacyUG] Historic Surnames

[Lee Bruch]

I totally agree with other posters … I’d use “of Cleves” or “von Cleve” as the 
last name since there is no standard family “last name” in many German or 
English aristocracy.

Incidentally, you may want to verify the “der Freiliche” part … I think that’s 
an error.  In many sources, including Wikipedia, it’s “der Friedfertige” or 
“der Friedlich” … it’s a descriptor meaning “the peaceful”, much like the 
descriptor “Richard the Lionhearted”



From: lee zuker [mailto:lee...@msn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 7:16 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Historic Surnames



ItI have been unable to find a standard for handling surnames, and I am 
wondering if some have a good solution to this problem:



I have many ancestors, like most of use, back in the 14th century and older.

And I don't know what to do with the pieces of their names that where basically 
their "surname" is "from somewhere".

take a simple one…

Anne of Cleves, daughter of John III, Duke of Cleves

Since there is no family surname, i am using "of Cleves" as a surname.

But if there were a known family surname, as sometimes there is, would "of 
Cleves" become a suffix?

and for her father, would his surname be "Duke of Cleves"?



With Legacy, since there is a separate prefix, Duke could be a prefix, but then 
the order of is changed.



and then there is the nagging "Sir"…...  that could also be the prefix.


or the surname "of Cleves", and the suffix then be "Duke", or some other way.





According to Wikipedia his real name is"

  "Herzog Johann III der Freiliche Von Kleve herzog von Juelich 
und von Berg" [Herzog is Duke in German]

  personally I tend to put all this in AKA




would be interested in any standard or approach that anyone might be interested 
in sharing



Lee Zuker

Shelton, WA



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RE: [LegacyUG] Android app?

[Lee Bruch]

Look in the archives for “Families”
There has been lots of discussion on here about using Families in conjunction 
with Legacy



From: Jeff [mailto:malka...@orthohelp.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 1:37 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Android app?



Thank you. It only works if your family tree is on Ancestry, so it does not 
suit me. I need an app that will work fully on android. Legacy's upcoming app 
is apparently only a reader too. So I will keep looking.

Someone mentioned "Families" which lets you modify the data on your android 
device and is compatible with Legacy. Will try it and see.

Jeff

On 5/25/2013 1:00 PM, Deanna Weymuth wrote:


Ancestry has one. I hav e not5 used it much as I have not been with relatives 
for a while.
Deanna
--- On Sat, 5/25/13, Jeff   
 wrote:




From: Jeff   
Subject: [LegacyUG] Android app?
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Date: Saturday, May 25, 2013, 11:29 AM

I am searching for an android genealogy app and have not found one yet. There 
are several gedcom readers like Gedstar pro, but these do not allow you to 
modify the data itself when in android and that markedly reduces their appeal 
and use.

Is there a fully functional android program that not only imports a gedcom but 
also allows the user to add to and modify the data right on the android device? 
Essentially legacy for Android?

Thanks, Jeff
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RE: [LegacyUG] Duplicate search

[Lee Bruch]

Conversely Anna could be a short name for Joanna.
Part of the reason it's always bad to assume .. look for evidence.
(Also, its one of the reasons I wouldn't synch to Ancestry ... so many of the 
entries on there are just assumed or from hearsay without evidence and a 
surprising number just downright wrong.

> -Original Message-
> From: Roland Rhoades [mailto:see...@maine.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 1:24 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Duplicate search
>
> Looks like Twins to me, with possibly a death-date mis-entered.
>
> Roland Rhoades
> Maine Families Genealogist
> www.RolandRhoades.com
> see...@maine.rr.com
> 2010: 30 Years as a Genealogist
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David Abernathy [mailto:da...@schmeckabernathy.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 4:19 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Duplicate search
>
> How can you say these two entries are the same?
> Johanna Maria Schampers  born 2/8/1884 died 12/23/1974
> Anna   Schampers  born 2/8/1884 died 12/23/1974
>
> With two different first and middle names I would even say that they
> were two different people.
> Just because they both were born and died on the same dates, does NOT
> make them the same person.
>
>
> Thanks,
> David C Abernathy
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> -Original Message-
> From: Gene Young [mailto:n2...@cfl.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 12:38 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Duplicate search
>
> On 4/24/2013 2:19 PM, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote:
> > YET again today I found a duplicate that did not show up in my
> regular
> > search for duplicates.
> >
> > WHY can't Legacy show me simple easy potential duplicates like this:
> >
> > Johanna Maria Schampers  born 2/8/1884 died 12/23/1974
> > Anna   Schampers  born 2/8/1884 died 12/23/1974
> >
> > The surname AND birth and death dates are exactly the same, yet this
> > potential duplicate does not show in my duplicate search 
> >
> > This is one area Legacy gets an F in my book.
> >
> > Jay
> >
>
> Under Merge > Find Duplicates > on the "Normal Duplicate Search" Tab,
> if you have "Given names for a length of" checked, then "Johanna Maria"
> and "Anna" are in no way, shape or form remotely close to the same
> name, therefor they are NOT a match.  Give yourself an "F" for not
> checking the help files and learning to use the program before you
> blame it for your own mistakes.  Remember, the help files are always
> your friend.
> --
>
> Gene Young
> Researching Young, Harer, Cox & Sallada
> With Legacy Family Tree
> http://myyoungs.atspace.com/index.htm
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RE: [LegacyUG] Tombstones

[Lee Bruch]

My speculation is that the instances of MJM in the comments column of each of 
those webpages is the initial of the person who supplied the info.  There is, 
on Find A Grave, a person w/ initials MJM who usually puts their MJM initials 
in the comments column of all the entries they submit.

> -Original Message-
> From: Bruce Uttley [mailto:b...@uwaterloo.ca]
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 3:15 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Tombstones
>
> There is a website about the 'Freese' family name that documents
> burials in St Charles County, Missouri.  Many of the 'Comments' on
> these headstones includes "MJM".
>
> Richards Cemetery, Cuivre Township, St. Charles Co., MO (Missouri)
>   http://heritage.freese.net/Cemetery/StCharles/Richards/index.htm
> - Several are marked 'infant' -- noted by MJM as 'infant children
> of
>   Lewis & Fannie Bondurant'; she also notes one grave marked
> onlywith
>   rough stones, which are still there.
>
> Gillette Cemetery, Dardenne Township, St. Charles Co., MO (Missouri)
>   http://heritage.freese.net/Cemetery/StCharles/Gillette/index.htm
> - Information found then [mid 1920s] is noted here as 'MJM' in
> comment
>   column.
>
> Humphrey Kline Cemetery, Cuivre Township, MO (Missouri)
>   http://heritage.freese.net/Cemetery/StCharles/HumpKile/index.htm
> - Eleven names are listed by MJM, and only 7 were found in 1987.
> "MJM"
>   marks those not found in 1987.
>
> McRoberts Logan Cemetery, Cuivre Township, St Charles Co., MO
> (Missouri)
>
> http://heritage.freese.net/Cemetery/StCharles/McRobertsLogan/index.htm
> - The stones noted 'MJM" at the beginning of the comments column
> are
>   those not there today.
>
> The 'Freese' website also mentions St. Francis Cemetery, but there are
> no burials given.
>
> It appears that "MJM" are the initials of a woman who created
> transcripts for cemeteries in St Charles and Warren Counties in the
> 1920s.  I've no idea who she was.
>
> On Fri, 19 Apr 2013, Bill LaBarge wrote:
>
> > To All
> > Interesting comments all. The cemetery that started this all is the
> St.
> > Francis Cemetery, St. Francis Catholic Church, Portage des Sioux,
> > Missouri. I have not personally seen any of the tombstones but my
> wife
> > and will be visiting the cemetery in a couple of months and will
> check
> > out the site. My father's side of the family are Catholic from way
> > back. The MJM letters seem to appear on both male and female stones
> > and the referenced publication also lists their baptisms so I would
> doubt that any are Jewish.
> > Thanks again
> > Bill LaBarge
> >
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Tombstones

[Lee Bruch]

What is the context? (where on the tombstone is it? And what is the approximate 
date of the tombstone? And where is the tombstone? Or is it in a database about 
tombstones?)

My first impression would be it’s a roman numeral, but there is no “J” in 
standard roman numerals. Could the “J” actually be a fancy “I” - If an “I”, 
then the date would be 1999.

Alternatively, if small and located inconspicuously it could be a mark of the 
tombstone maker.

If you are finding it in the comment section of a database (such as 
find-a-grave), it could be the initials of the commenter



From: Bill LaBarge [mailto:swt...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 3:08 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Tombstones



Does anyone know what the letters ":MJM" mean on a tombstone?

Bill



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RE: [LegacyUG] Panic!-UPDATE

[Lee Bruch]

Re windows updates:

There are several options:

1.   Never automatically check

2.   Automatically check but alert before downloading and installing

3.   Automatically check, download, and install

I always have it set to 2 - alert me that a new update is available but don’t 
download or install it without my telling it to.

It’s well documented that some windows updates create problems, so this way I 
know what’s happening. And I usually don’t install the update ‘til its been 
around a week or two. I subscribe to some windows  sites which alert me to 
updates which may be critical (install immediately) or problematic (avoid or 
use caution).



From: BK Ford [mailto:pastors...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 2:26 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Panic!-UPDATE






Okay, here's the report on the resolution of my Legacy error, for those who 
wanted to know the "end of the story."





After turning off Auto Updates and completing that process (took me almost all 
day today), another scan revealed some remaining corruption. However, for the 
first time since all this mess started, my Legacy program is now running. I 
could not believe it when it actually did NOT return the error. I'm trying not 
to worry too much about the remaining corruption that shows up during a scan, 
because everything seems to be working beautifully right now. Anything else is 
going to be dumped in the lap of Dell. (And I did remember to turn back on the 
Windows updates, and so I'm all updated with good files now.)



So, thanks so much for all the wonderful help. And thanks for all the mentions 
of sympathy regarding my mother's final days. I have been making many trips to 
my sister's home, and will be on the road again tomorrow. We know she has days 
at most, maybe only hours now. She is prepared and is ready to go, though it is 
always difficult to say goodbye, of course.



I can now answer genealogy questions from family members whom I will see in the 
next few days.



Thanks again, all,

Barbara








Sent from my iPad








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RE: [LegacyUG] Panic!

[Lee Bruch]

Yes! Excellent idea!

> -Original Message-
> From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 5:13 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Panic!
>
> Thank you.
>
> One thought has just come to mind. You say that the problem is very
> recent, the past few days in fact. I would suggest that you pick a day
> or two before then and use System Restore to get back to that date.
>
> Ron Ferguson
> http://www.fergys.co.uk/
>
> -Original Message-
> From: BK Ford
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 12:34 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Panic!
>
> I did the manual memory test, and it did the two passes and detected no
> problems.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
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RE: [LegacyUG] Panic!

[Lee Bruch]

Try to open your Legacy database with FTM



From: BK Ford [mailto:pastors...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:21 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Panic!



I do have family tree maker 2011 on hand. But when I was looking at some 
forums, it sounded like to bring a fdb file in to FTM 2011 could bring it in 
with a lot of errors. Is that not the case?



Sent from iPhone


On Apr 10, 2013, at 5:12 PM, Vivian Gullickson White  wrote:

I mean it will convert a Legacy file *WITHOUT* converting to a gedcom.



On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Vivian Gullickson White  
wrote:

Barbara, FTM  will convert a Legacy database with a gedcom.

Vivian



On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Ron Ferguson  
wrote:

Barbara,

I saw this post after I had sent my last one, it is interesting that Legacy
tech. have the same thoughts as I re a possibly defective PC., and seem to
have dealt with the questions which I posed.


Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.couk/ <http://www.fergys.co.uk/>

-Original Message-
From: BK Ford

Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 10:08 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Panic!



I am now desperate. I spent some time with the tech support people at
Milennia looking around on my computer. He could not solve the problem. He
did try 7.5, and it returned the same error. He said there must be some sort
of conflict on my computer, but he did not have a clue what it might be. He
was very apologetic. He set my BitDefender antivirus software to Game Mode
and thought that might do it, but no. The program actually opens, but the
second I try to open a file, like the Sample file (and he also created a
test file, but same thing), it returns the error. I used the program on this
same Windows 7 computer not very long ago. The only programs I have
installed since that time, according to my Control Panel, are Turbo Tax and
Java and something called Microsoft Silverlight (I didn't actually install
that--don't know what it is or where it came from). I uninstalled Java. No
change.

He suggested that as long as I use this computer, I probably can't use
Legacy. That doesn't make sense to me, as I used it on this very computer
not long ago.

He said the incompatibility issue is not that uncommon, and yet there is no
"list" of known incompatible software.

I feel totally stranded. Is there any way I can send my data file and have
someone convert it to a gedcom so that I can open it in another family tree
software program (like FTM or something)? Right now, I don't even think I
can create a gedcom, can I? The tech support guy said he didn't think I
could.

Please help
Barbara





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On Apr 10, 2013, at 12:43 PM, "Lee Bruch"  wrote:

> Have you contacted Legacy support and had them look at your computer and
> assist you working on it via the web?
> Even though I understand quite a bit about technology I have found other
> support services like that very helpful.
>

>> -Original Message-
>> From: BK Ford [mailto:pastors...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 10:33 AM
>> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Panic!
>>

>> Virginia, in order to use the MS Fixit program, do I uninstall
>> everything first, delete the Legacy Folder on C, or at what point do I
>> use this program?
>>
>>




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RE: [LegacyUG] Panic!

[Lee Bruch]

Have you contacted Legacy support and had them look at your computer and assist 
you working on it via the web?
Even though I understand quite a bit about technology I have found other 
support services like that very helpful.

> -Original Message-
> From: BK Ford [mailto:pastors...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 10:33 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Panic!
>
> Virginia, in order to use the MS Fixit program, do I uninstall
> everything first, delete the Legacy Folder on C, or at what point do I
> use this program?
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
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RE: [LegacyUG] Panic!

[Lee Bruch]

It may be wise for the OP contact Legacy support and try to work through the 
problem on the phone. Many software companies support have ability to take 
control of the computer via the web and try to research and solve the problem 
by seeing and working on the computer. I do not know whether Legacy has this 
capability.

> -Original Message-
> From: BK Ford [mailto:pastors...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 12:16 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Panic!
>
> Actually, I installed v6 from the Legacy web site.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 8, 2013, at 12:35 PM, "Brian L. Lightfoot"  lightfoots.com> wrote:
>
> > This is true but I think the OP said she was (re)installing the
> Legacy program from a v6 CD that she had. I don't think she moved the
> .FDB from the CD to the hard drive. Even still, the .FDB should
> openjust incapable of being edited or changed.
> >
> > Brian in California
> > The land of milk and honey (and boy, are they out to milk you, honey)
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Don Hendershot [mailto:donald.henders...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 9:29 AM
> > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> > Cc: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Panic!
> >
> > Your .fdb or other files be set to Read Only if you moved software
> using a CD.
> >
> > ~Don
> >
> >
> > On Apr 8, 2013, at 9:21 AM, BK Ford  wrote:
> >
> >> Responding to this while traveling, so not at my computer. But I
> tried two installs, both from the actual web site, so I'm confident
> it's the latest version. The first time I tried while the "problem
> child" was still on the computer. The second time I tried was after I
> had done an uninstall from the Control Panel Remove Programs. Still
> have not had a chance to try all the suggestions from Ron.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >> On Apr 8, 2013, at 8:31 AM, Freuler  wrote:
> >>
> >>> It is possibly a versioning thing. Maybe you aren't installing the
> "latest" V6. There might be confusion in the registry because you are
> installing a previous version over a later one.
> >>>
> >>> On Apr 8, 2013, at 6:22 AM, Virginia Blakelock
>  wrote:
> >>>
>  Barbara -
> 
>  The Legacy Help site has detailed instructions for handling
>  Installation problems.  Perhaps you will find some suggestions
> there:
> 
>  http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/helpWindows87andVista.asp
> 
>  Virginia
> 
> 
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RE: [LegacyUG] Exporting a Family Group Record

[Lee Bruch]

I can print anything that my printer can print as a pdf. All I do is go to 
"print" and there select the printer ... pdf is one of the choices.  I have 
acrobat professional, that might be what allows me to do this.

> -Original Message-
> From: John Gregson [mailto:jfgreg...@shaw.ca]
> Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 10:44 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Exporting a Family Group Record
>
> I am using Legacy 7.5; deluxe.
>
> Is there any way to export a Family Group Record to a .PDF file;
> instead of to a printer?
> Not everybody has Legacy, buy many folks can look at a PDF file.
> Just a thought; or a suggestion.
>
> John.
>
> --
> John. jfgreg...@shaw.ca
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RE: [LegacyUG] Mac and Windows

[Lee Bruch]

IMHO it is related to Legacy.
I use Legacy in a PC environment, but am considering shifting to an Apple 
computer and this would be helpful to me, too. Legacy is one of the few things 
tying me to PC.

> -Original Message-
> From: Robert57P_gmail [mailto:robert...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 4:22 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Mac and Windows
>
> Probably best if you reply off-list to robert...@gmail.com
>
> I consider myself pretty good at PC technology, but I am a MAC newbie.
> I'm interested in how I get a Windows program like Legacy to run on a
> MAC.
>
> I've heard of "Parallels" and "boot-camp" - how do they compare (price,
> ease of install, functionality once installed)?
>
> Do they allow me to be in "MAC mode" and run Legacy, or do I need to
> boot direct into a Windows environment?
>
> Do they come with a Windows emulator?  Or is there a free (or cheap)
> emulator I can download?  Or do I need a regular Windows license?
>
> Once I have either Parallels or boot-camp installed, how do I install
> Windows (or a Windows emulator)?
>
> Once Windows is running, are their any tricks to installing a Windows
> program (like Legacy)?
>
> Do I need to install/run a separate instance of Parallels (or boot-
> camp) for each Windows program?  Or once Parallels (or boot-camp) is
> installed, I can then install multiple Windows programs with that
> product?
>
> Are there any other products I should consider besides Boot-camp and
> parallels?  For example, does Sun/Oracle offer a "VM box" for Mac that
> will then run Windows programs?  (yes, I know, I can find that specific
> question on Sun's sight, just using that as an example since I've used
> Sun's VM box under Windows).
>
> I appreciate any advice you can give.
>
> And, again, since this is not directly Legacy related, please reply to
> me directly, off-list.
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
>




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RE: [LegacyUG] Re: [251-18954C73-033D] Program Freezes (Legacy)

[Lee Bruch]

Just 2 unknowing questions here.
She seems to have Kaspersky installed on her system. Kaspersky is listed as one 
of the AV programs that sometimes creates conflicts w/ Legacy.
1. Has she verified that she has Legacy listed as "safe" with her Kaspersky?
2. Has she tried to temporarily disable Kaspersky and see if when she does that 
the problem goes away or continues?


> -Original Message-
> From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:11 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Cc: samsa...@hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Re: [251-18954C73-033D] Program Freezes
> (Legacy)
>
> I'm sorry we've been unable to help you. I am the second tech you've
> worked with on this issue and you have been irate with both of us
> despite how hard we've worked to try to resolve your issue. Jim even
> connected to your computer to try to resolve the problem, which he was
> unable to do.
>
> We've exhausted all of our possibilities. Reinstalling Windows has
> helped in many weird situations but you refuse to do that so there's
> nothing more we can do to help.
>
> Sincerely,
> Sherry
> Technical Support
> Legacy Family Tree
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 4:28 PM,   wrote:
> > And what I'm taking about is that the screen shots ARE accurate
> > representations  of what I do (or, rather, do NOT) see.  When I try
> to
> > search I GET blanks.
> >
> > This interesting go-round of escalating issues has been going on
> since
> > December (actually, it was more like November).  It's just getting
> > worse and worse as more and more things come to light.
> >
> > As to what you've suggested, I've done EACH of those things SEVERAL
> > times and yes, your other tech, poked in all the fun places himself.
> > He's the one who originally told me that although it was a known
> > issue, there simply weren't enough customers involved to make it
> worth
> > the IT guys' time and effort to try and troubleshoot something they
> weren't able to duplicate.
> > (Just how many of us "no worthy" customers are ther?)
> >
> > Ah well, I suppose that's neither here nor there ...
> >
> > While I may not be a tech-savvy guru, I'm not a complete dunce.  I
> > teach online, have a masters in instructional technology, and am
> > nearly as stubborn and single minded at the recalcitrant computer.  I
> > don't care who's at fault, but I would like to use Legacy as it was
> > intended -- or at the VERY least, with the search feature capable of
> > working in the matter that is worked before.
> >
> > Just to reassure you ... I've even taken my computer in to two
> > different "we fix computers" agencies -- all of whom give my computer
> > a clean bill of health and say there is NO need to do a complete wipe
> > of my hard drive which was the next promised guarantee on the "well,
> if A, doesn't work, try B"
> > list (except by then is was reading more like "well, if X doesn't
> > work, try Y" -- I'm assuming that if a complete wiping of the hard
> > drive doesn't work I'll be told to buy a new computer).
> >
> > To date:
> >
> > Kaspersky says it's NOT the problem and I should NOT wipe my hard
> > drive (not to mention that I've been using Kaspersky longer than I've
> > been using Legacy and NEVER had a problem with the two of them not
> > "playing nice" in the same sandbox before.
> >
> > Toshiba says I don't HAVE a problem and I should NOT wipe my hard
> drive.
> > GeekSquad says I don't have a problem and I should NOT wipe my hard
> drive.
> > Office Max says I don't have a problem and I should NOT wipe my hard
> drive.
> >
> > SpyBot says I don't HAVE a problem.
> > CCleans says I don't HAVE a problem.
> >
> > I even (and wish I NEVER had) tried PC Tools -- which said I had
> > thousands of problems, but this wasn't one of them -- and even they
> > didn't suggest wiping the hard drive although they did have me turn
> > off absolutely EVERY single option so that their program sits there
> > and does ABSOLUTELY nothing (which doesn't strike me as very useful,
> > under normal circumstances, but given the wonderful luck I'm having
> > with them ... which is about the same level of luck I'm having with
> > Legacy, may not be all that bad in this particular instance).
> >
> > My drivers (graphic & otherwise) are all updated and current.
> >
> > I've cleaned my windows and used all the built in "we promise to fix
> > anything" programs that are already installed in the computer.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Alysse Suzanne Rasmussen, Ph.D.
> > ASLTA Certification: Qualified
> > TeachASL www.teachasl.org
> > IDI Administrator, RID Sponsor
> > President, Florida ASLTA, www.faslta.org
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 1/30/2013 4:05:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > supp...@legacyfamilytree.com writes:
> >
> > What I was referring to was the outlines of windows when I'm
> > alt-tabbing through the open programs, not the missing data when you
> open Legacy.
> >
> > What we were discussing wasn't the Search function b

RE: [LegacyUG] jpeg and pdf pictures

[Lee Bruch]

It depends on the compression … that is, how much digital information is 
omitted from the original file to create a smaller digital file (the jpeg).

.

To the casual eye, the degradation will probably not be observable.  But when 
you magnify portions (such as to be able to read handwriting) the degradation 
becomes somewhat more apparent and problematic.

Subsequently, if you copy the jpeg, the degradation increases each time you 
make a copy or a jpeg copy.  Eventually, after a number of copies, details such 
as handwriting become more difficult to see.



All of this occurs because each jpeg omits visual data from the previous file.



From: gcr...@juno.com [mailto:gcr...@juno.com]
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 2:05 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] jpeg and pdf pictures



Just how much does a JPG 'degrade' when you edit it? Isn't recommended that 
photo's in Legacy be in JPG format? Does just viewing them in Legacy, or any 
other app for that matter, degrade them?

gc


-- Original Message --
From: JLB 
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] jpeg and pdf pictures
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 13:56:12 -0800

And no, you shouldn't be editing JPG's. It's a compressed format and
every time you edit and re-save you'll lose picture quality. Your photos
should be in TIFF to begin with but that's not always possible.

JL Beeken
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
http://jlog.jgen.ws/




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RE: [LegacyUG] My emails to LUG appear twice -- but not with other mail groups. Why?

[Lee Bruch]

>From your description it appears that what you describe as the second email is 
>the email that you sent to the user group (which the user group is forwarding 
>to all members, including you).



What you describe as your first email is a copy of your email generated by 
gmail and sent to your gmail inbox. Why gmail does this is a mystery to me … it 
may be the result of your gmail settings (I don’t know). I’ve had the same 
thing happen to me on my gmail account with a few other listserves. That’s one 
of several reasons why I tend not to use my gamail account as much. I never 
figured out if it was an oddity in gmail, or an oddity between how gmail and 
legacy’s listserve interact at the gmail end.



From: Pat Hickin [mailto:pph...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 6:42 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] My emails to LUG appear twice -- but not with other 
mail groups. Why?



Hi, Wendy,



I really appreciate your interest!



I am seeing the double messages on the web:

  https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox [. . . etc.]





There are these differences in the two emails:



1st difference:

The initial one begins like this:



Pat Hickin 

2:18 PM (7 hours ago)



to LegacyUserGroup



whereas the 2nd email one begins like this:



Pat Hickin via legacyusers.com

2:18 PM (7 hours ago)



to LegacyUserGroup





The body of the email, of course, is the same in both.



2nd difference:



The initial email ends after my name (Pat).



The 2nd email has the usual Legacy add-ons:



 (Legacy User Group guidelines:

 http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp

 . . . .[etc.]

 To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp)



Does that tell you everything you need to know??



Thanks so much!



Pat









On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Wendy Howard  wrote:

Hi Pat,

WHERE are you seeing the double messages?  At Gmail on the web
(www.gmail.com), or in an email program on your computer where you've
downloaded your mail (such as Outlook or Thunderbird)?

Is it all LUG mail, or only your own posts?

Are the two copies identical?  Or are there slight differences?

I'd hazard a guess that the duplicates are only when you post yourself,
and there are slight differences, such as [LegacyUG} and the footer with
links being added to the second copy.

If that's the case, then you're looking at the situation that others
have already mentioned - the first copy is the "Sent" copy, the second
is the list copy.  Nothing wrong with that, it's just how Gmail
processes this particular mailing list.  Some other lists behave
differently, using different software to run the lists.

If my guess isn't right, would you answer my questions please, so we can
perhaps help you find the answers you seek?

Kind Regards,
Wendy








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RE: [LegacyUG] Obituary Event

[Lee Bruch]

And to further explain: For my use, a source is the where I heard about, or 
others can find out about, either the event or record.
Thus, a death is an EVENT, an obituary is a RECORD, and the newspaper that ran 
the obituary, or where that obituary can be currently found, is a SOURCE

-Original Message-
From: Lee Bruch [mailto:lbr...@nwlink.com]
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 1:35 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Obituary Event

Everyone has their own needs and preferences. (It must be hard for genealogy 
programmers to fulfill all those needs!!!).

But I try to simplify things in my own mind. So for me, an event is simply what 
happened (born, lived at, moved to, died, etc.) and a record is a record of 
those events. So for me, an obituary would be a record.





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RE: [LegacyUG] Obituary Event

[Lee Bruch]

Everyone has their own needs and preferences. (It must be hard for genealogy 
programmers to fulfill all those needs!!!).

But I try to simplify things in my own mind. So for me, an event is simply what 
happened (born, lived at, moved to, died, etc.) and a record is a record of 
those events. So for me, an obituary would be a record.

-Original Message-
From: M. Brenzel [mailto:brenze...@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 1:27 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Obituary Event

But you can also look at it as a fact in the person's life.  An obituary was 
published for the individual.

-Original Message-
From: Doug Laidlaw [mailto:laidl...@hotkey.net.au]
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 4:03 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Obituary Event

I would think of it as a source.  It is not something that happened in the 
history of the individual in question, but an entirely separate piece of 
documentary evidence.

Doug.

On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:04:45 -0800 (PST) Marg Strong  wrote:

> Speaking of obituary event (someone recently used it as an
> illustration) I didn't think of it as being an event, but as a source,
> with the transcription in the detail.
>
>
> If it were listed as an event, then it would be seen in the body of
> the report, but as a source, it would be found in the
> footnotes/endnotes so the event seems an advantage, having relatives
> who will be sent my "book" after I am happier with my entries. (I'm
> cleaning them up a bit every day) I'm fairly sure that most will skim
> over the footnotes/endnotes or not read them. Do you use it as a
> source or event or both, when you have few or no other sources for the
> death?
>
> Thanks for you ideas on this,
> Peggy
>




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RE: [LegacyUG] Webinar test

[Lee Bruch]

In other cases, we don't read the list chronologically, and in other cases just 
skim a few of the posts. So sometimes its inadvertent. Anyway, it doesn't 
bother me.

-Original Message-
From: Ronald Bernier [mailto:ronaldbern...@bernfrin.org]
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 2:38 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Webinar test

Mike,
Not whispering, just a matter that the Legacy User Group list participants 
don't care what they are told.  They have demonstrated repeatedly they will do 
what they please and no one will tell them otherwise - regardless of who the 
instructions came from.

Ron Bernier
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RE: [LegacyUG] Question regarding website building

[Lee Bruch]

Further, a practical and safety matter:
In an ideal world there would not be identity theft. But it is getting 
relatively common. To have names associated with the family background is one 
of the strong tools a identity thief could use. Genealogy sites are known as 
one of the potential easy sources of private information. A thief could, of 
course, amass the info in other ways, but ... if one were to follow that logic, 
everything about a person, would be public because "if might be gotten 
elsewhere so why bother safeguarding it".

And further, an ethical matter:
Does not an individual deserve the right of privacy, especially regarding their 
identity? It seems to me as if the minimum one could do is to at least ask 
their permission before exposing their name on a public family tree.

And even further, a legal matter:
I don't know the law in all states nor nations. But it wouldn't surprise me if 
some nations, such as some countries in Western Europe had restrictions on 
that. Though again, I don't know

-Original Message-
From: JLB [mailto:j...@jgen.ws]
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 10:32 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Question regarding website building

The information is only publicly available if someone already knows a name. Why 
make it easier for the snoops by giving out the names? Anyone born after about 
1900 can still have living children. My grandmother born in 1899 does.
---
JL Beeken
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

On 10/28/2012 9:57 PM, Brian L. Lightfoot wrote:
> I think this bottle has been passed around many times before. As many
> of the other replies may so indicate, the choice of “Living” over
> the actual name seems to be the politically correct answer. But as
> what little hair I have left grows more grey and my eyes get dimmer, I
> find myself pondering this over and over myself. I can certainly
> understand omitting just about all details about a living person but
> why is it not prudent to just show their names?
>
> Before you answer, consider that their birth is a matter of public
> record, there was probably a newspaper publication naming their
> parents when they were born, probably a wedding announcement giving
> names of parents, siblings, and other relatives published in their
> local city and elsewhere. Their names are easily found by looking in
> the white pages of a phone book which not only gives the phone number
> but their residential address. Even if you’re not sure of the exact
> names of children then a quick click and visit to Spokeo.com reveals
> quite a bit about the parents including the names of their children.
>
> My point is that all this information is readily available and open to
> the public but for some reason the direction that genealogy has taken
> in the past 20 years is to hide even their names. Someone tell me why
> and please do it without using the word “privacy” because their
> lives have all been public so far. Just wondering.
>
> Brian in CA
>
> *From:*Richard Falzini [mailto:rfalz...@yahoo.com]




> *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Question regarding website building
>
> Hello,
>
> I have been up dating my web site I have made with Legacy, and at the
> current moment I do not list names, birth dates, marriage dates, etc.
>
> of any living individuals.
>
> when the name of a living person should be displayed it says LIVING.
>
> I wanted to ask should I keep my site like that, or would it be ok to
> show the name such as Richard Falzini but suppress all personal data
> from the viewers of my site?
>
> I look forward to all input regarding my question
>
> Thanks
>
> Rich








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RE: [LegacyUG] Email with Symbols

[Lee Bruch]

I've always been puzzled by the strange characters too.
I *almost* never get them on personal emails and I exchange emails a lot within 
the US and to/from Canada, UK, Germany - even umlauts translate correctly.
My email is set up to both send and receive in Unicode UTF-8 using Outlook 2007 
using HTML.
However...
I subscribe to a number of list-servs ... I don't have that problem with most, 
but I do have that pop up with some of the listservs, especially this and a 
couple of listservs from Germany.
I've never figured it out and just resigned to accept it. I've passively 
wondered whether it has something to do with email settings from emails 
originating in different countries, or if something to do w/ translating back 
and forth to/from plain text, or some strange interaction between the apple and 
PC worlds, or some other of many potential reasons. But I just accept it.

-Original Message-
From: Paul Gray [mailto:grayp...@telus.net]
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 3:58 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Email with Symbols

I checked out the encoding on Pat Hickin's original post, and it was indeed 
UTF-8. It appeared fine (no weird characters) in Outlook 2007, so I guess my 
reader handles UTF-8.

Despite that, like Ron, I still get the weird characters. For me, it appears 
that it is in the original text quoted in replies where the person replying had 
a newsreader that mangled the character set. I.E. once mangled, that text will 
continue to be mangled on all future replies to the group quoting it.

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RE: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up messages

[Lee Bruch]

Which lines would they cut? ALL are helpful

-Original Message-
From: Nut [mailto:wasbornconfu...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 9:44 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up messages


Legacy could cut down on their 10 line tag ?

--
//Nut








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RE: [LegacyUG] Dropbox

[Lee Bruch]

Look in archives for a recent very lengthy discussion re Dropbox



From: Walt DeWaele [mailto:wjdewa...@comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 4:16 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Dropbox



I currently use Dropbox to sync my desktop and my laptop computers with Legacy. 
 Now I am wanting to add copies of documents and photos to Legacy.  Should I 
put these documents in a Dropbox folder or store them on each of the computers 
hard drives or maybe on an external hard drive?  I would appreciate your 
comments and recommendations?  Thanks.



Walt



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RE: [LegacyUG] What to do with genealogical files after death of compi ler

[Lee Bruch]

Ron: could you explain why?
I have always used blank spaces in filenames since Windows 95 and have never 
had problems with saving or opening them on websites. But maybe there are 
problems that I'm not aware of on other computers.
For actually "naming" webpages, well, that's a different matter.
Lee

-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 5:16 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] What to do with genealogical files after death of compi 
ler

Bob,

Just a quick piece of advice for those who may at some time consider creating a 
website - do not have spaces in your file names, use an underscore or hyphen 
instead, otherwise they may well not work.

In fact it is best only to use alpha-numeric characters in addition to the 
above two.
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
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RE: [LegacyUG] Need help with a search

[Lee Bruch]

Are you sure all of your entries are spelled the same way?
The city in German is Münzesheim (that's Munzesheim with an umlaut on the u for 
those whose computers put in ? instead of umlauts). Usually in English an 
umlauted u is spelled Muenzesheim, but sometimes just plain ole Munzesheim.
If various of your entries are spelled differently, I speculate that some 
search engines would recognize each of the 3 possibilities as different.

Lee


-Original Message-
From: Brian Lehman [mailto:blr...@optonline.net]
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 5:01 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Need help with a search

Hello,
I've been trying to search my data base for individuals who were living, in a 
town called Munzesheim,Germany, in a particular year...18xx.
All the individuals I am looking for have birth, death and marriage dates 
entered and Munzesheim entered for most events.
I have tried using the search window, with varying parameters, concerning  
birth, death dates and places, but the count seems off, some are counted when 
they shouldn't be and vice a versa.
I'm hoping someone would advise me.
Thank you for any assistance offered,
Brian Lehman








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RE: [LegacyUG] Flip-Pal

[Lee Bruch]

Thanks ... very good info
I'm trying to make up my mind between the two for a research trip to Europe in 
2013. Most of the documents will be less than 8.5" wide, but a significant 
number will be closer to 12" wide, and there are some charts and maps that will 
be up to apx. 20" in their narrowest dimension. Last time I was there I managed 
to take photos with my hand-held camera with varying results and some 
photocopies using machines that were there; I am looking forward to scanning 
them. Unfortunately, some are in locations where photos and scanners are not 
allowed, but most of the locations were much more amenable to them.


Lee Bruch & Ginny Weisse
Seattle, WA
lbr...@nwlink.com

Researching:
Bruch, Sellers/Zeller, & Hiatt/Hyatt, Irey; & Lockwood, Belknap, Goodheart, & 
Keller, Strasser; & Weisse, Christoff; & Woelfle, Esslinger

-Original Message-
From: Laura Johnson [mailto:rngad...@madisontelco.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 3:36 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Flip-Pal

so far, I haven't had any documents that were wider than the wand. I did try an 
experiment in which I scanned a wall chart that was 3 times wider than the 
wand's width.  Scanned it in 3 sections and used my photo program to put the 
three scans together.  Using a friend's Flip-Pal, it took 21 scans to get the 
whole chart scanned and the stitching didn't work - you could see where every 
scan was stitched to the others.

think of it this way - with the flip-pal, you can only scan about 1/3 to
1/2 of a regular 8x11 paper at the most.  I can do that same 8x11 in one scan.  
No need to keep stitching images together to get the whole thing.





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RE: [LegacyUG] Flip-Pal

[Lee Bruch]

But what if the width of the document is wider than the wand?

-Original Message-
From: Laura Johnson [mailto:rngad...@madisontelco.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 2:43 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Flip-Pal

you don't need to stitch them together.  You scan the length of the document 
without taking it in separate images.  Mine can scan up to 50 inches in length 
in one scan.

On 10/13/2012 4:37 PM, Lee Bruch wrote:
> Can the scans from the VuPoint Wand be stitched together?
> Lee
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nancy Porter [mailto:nport...@twcny.rr.com]
> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 2:28 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Flip-Pal
>
> I also use the VuPoint Wand. Its a great scanner.
> Nancy
>
> On 10/13/2012 7:45 AM, Laura Johnson wrote:
>> I use the VuPoint Magic Wand for scanning.  I didn't care for the
>> Flip-Pal
>>
>> http://www.vupoint-magic-wand.com/
>>
>> On 10/13/2012 1:41 AM, Garry F Bell wrote:
>>> 'evening
>>>
>>> I am considering purchasing a Flip-Pal to enable me to scan  A4 size
>>> documents.  Having made enquiries amongst fellow Genealogists I get
>>> the impression it is "not the best".
>>>
>>> I know that Flip-Pal is ideal for photographs and small newspaper
>>> items but how do others overcome it's size limitations?
>>>
>>> With thanks
>>> Garry
>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Flip-Pal

[Lee Bruch]

Can the scans from the VuPoint Wand be stitched together?
Lee

-Original Message-
From: Nancy Porter [mailto:nport...@twcny.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 2:28 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Flip-Pal

I also use the VuPoint Wand. Its a great scanner.
Nancy

On 10/13/2012 7:45 AM, Laura Johnson wrote:
> I use the VuPoint Magic Wand for scanning.  I didn't care for the
> Flip-Pal
>
> http://www.vupoint-magic-wand.com/
>
> On 10/13/2012 1:41 AM, Garry F Bell wrote:
>> 'evening
>>
>> I am considering purchasing a Flip-Pal to enable me to scan  A4 size
>> documents.  Having made enquiries amongst fellow Genealogists I get
>> the impression it is "not the best".
>>
>> I know that Flip-Pal is ideal for photographs and small newspaper
>> items but how do others overcome it's size limitations?
>>
>> With thanks
>> Garry




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RE: [LegacyUG] What to do with genealogical files after death of compi ler

[Lee Bruch]

I respectfully submit that, as with most lists I subscribe to, its common 
practice to respond to such  on-list

However, since it bothers some, in the future I’ll respond directly off list.

And if I ever post an open invitation, I’ll specifically ask people to respond 
directly to me … it’ll also make it easier for me to reply back to them.

Lee



From: Ron Bernier [mailto:ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net]
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 11:37 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] What to do with genealogical files after death of compi 
ler



Support, I respectfully request that you put an end to these requests for Mr. 
Zimmerman's information.  I am really getting tired of deleting all of these me 
too requests.  Mr Zimmerman's email was included in his original post, but 
unfortunately folks don't have enough common sense and consideration/courtesy 
for other list subscribers to send their request directly to Mr. Zimmerman.



Ron Bernier

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RE: [LegacyUG] What to do with genealogical files after death of compi ler

[Lee Bruch]

I too would be interested in receiving copies.
Thanks
Lee Bruch

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Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 11:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] What to do with genealogical files after death of compi 
ler

JLB and Robert Austen,

Thank you both for your kind remarks.

On the further subject of archiving images in Legacy and elsewhere,



If anyone is interested I will be happy to send them a five-page rationale and 
a one-page quick reference sheet, both in MS Word format, or to publish that 
rationale here if there is sufficient demand.

John Zimmerman
Mesa, AZ







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RE: [LegacyUG] Subscription

[Lee Bruch]

I'm sending this both to the user group and directly to you.
I also had troubles signing up ... I finally got signed up by contacting 
support and they did it.  Potentially Sherry/Support 
[she...@legacyfamilytree.com] may help


-Original Message-
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Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 8:25 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Subscription

Ya know...
The subscription process really stinks. I have clicked on the link and it tells 
me I have been added to the LegacyUsersGroup list. That was yesterday about 
noon, and have done it three more times with the same result. According to the 
archives there have been posts, yet I get nothing. I hope this at least comes 
through for suggestions

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RE: [LegacyUG] Location Name Changes

[Lee Bruch]

It would be helpful in my case too, where many forefathers come from what is 
now Germany, but areas that have undergone significant changes in 
rulers/duchies/nations many times throughout history.
It would also help with locales in the US that have undergone many county and 
some state/colony boundary revisions over time.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 6:02 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Location Name Changes

Mike

What I suggested was a master location record and a chain of location name 
records which are given a date range. (I don't know the Access terminology, but 
this should be clear, I hope)

The advantages of this are that it is easy to produce a report showing how the 
location name has changed over time and it has only one entry in the master 
location list.  Under the current scheme, there can be lots of entries for one 
physical location and they don't all sort together in the list.  This makes it 
confusing when trying to see who lived at a single location when that location 
can be all over the shop.

I'm probably more affected than many, because I like to put all address 
information into the location, but this would still make life easier for anyone 
who has a place name change over the years.

Cheers

Tony








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RE: [LegacyUG] Show me your printer

[Lee Bruch]

Jim:
Am I correct that you dislike "windoz" and are using linux?
Does Legacy work on Linux?
How does Linux decide how to create screen images if it doesn't reference to a 
default printer?

-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 10:27 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Show me your printer

Jim,

I am right in thinking that you are still using V5. If so do you really expect 
Legacy to amend such an outdated version?

This does not mean I agree with your comments, I don't.
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
GOONS #5307

J
"Karen and Jim"  wrote:

>Sherry,
>
>I'm assume that Legacy is using Windoz
>Print Preview for the report screen display.
>And I find no fault in that.  In fact it is a plus in that Legacy
>doesn't need to add it to its own large code baggage.
>
>I see I have Microsoft XPS Document Writer installed in Printers and
>Faxes.  Nothing else.
>That seems to satisfy Legacy's printer requirement.
>
>I've tried to duplicate this no-screen problem, but with no results.
>I've rebooted Windoz, a warm boot.  No luck.  Maybe I need to shutdown
>completely.  I'll try that later.
>
>Again I say you have a bug.
>When several of us,
>who have a printer driver installed,
>report no screen/printer in Reports
>and we can only get Reports working again after rebooting Legacy  ===>>
>That is a BUG, not a feature.
>
>JimS
>
>
>On 09/10/2012 11:35 AM, Sherry/Support wrote:
>> Legacy requires that at least a printer driver be installed, even if
>> you don't connect to a printer, in order to know how to format the
>> reports. Just pick a standard inkjet printer driver.  If you have a
>> printer connected to another computer, use the printer driver option
>> for that printer.
>> It is not a bug - it's a requirement of Legacy.
>> It's very easy to set a default printer driver - your Windows Help
>> screen should give you instructions.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Sherry
>> Technical Support
>> Legacy Family Tree
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 7:43 AM, Karen and Jim > > wrote:
>>
>> Bottom Line: I have no printers.
>> Whether I have a printer installed or not
>> should not affect viewing reports on screen.
>> But since it does affect screen view, then
>> it is a Legacy bug.
>> JimS
>>
>>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Show me your printer

[Lee Bruch]

On your printer choice, select one of your printers as the default printer.
It's not a Legacy problem. It's a problem with how your computer is set up.
Many programs render reports (even on the screen), etc. based on what works 
with your default printer.
At lease, that's how it works in the PC world ... don't know about the Linux 
world

-Original Message-
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Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 7:38 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Show me your printer

On 09/09/2012 08:49 PM, Gene Young wrote:
> On 9/9/2012 8:21 PM, Karen and Jim wrote:
>
>> Hi Listers,
>>
>> Sometimes, rarely, but sometimes
>> when I start up Legacy I get a msg
>> that I have no printer configured.
>> I say "so what?" and go on with
>> my business.  Later when I want
>> to see a report on screen, Legacy
>> won't let me.  Says "no printer".
>> Again I say to myself, "so what"
>> I didn't request a printout, I just
>> wanted to see it on screen.
>> Legacy won't let me!!
>>
>> To correct (temporily) fix this issue I reboot Legacy and usually get
>> no "no printer" msg and if I want I can see reports on screen.
>>
>> What is going on?  Why does Legacy
>> care if I have a printer installed or not.  Doesn't seem to be any of
>> Legacy's business, unless I try to print.
>>
>> Is this Micro$oft stickin its nose in where it doesn't belong??
>>
>>
> No, the program uses the default printers settings to format the report.
>
> If you are having the message that you have no printer installed, you
> should check that there is a DEFAULT printer set.  This is not a
> Legacy problem.
>
>
Gene,

Check what?

This is a Legacy problem,
since it only happens with Legacy.
That pc is a Legacy only pc.
I don't use that pc for anything else.

This email is on my Linux box.
And when I get around to it, I'll
install XP in Virtual Box and run
Legacy inside it.

How I wish Linux had a good
genealogy program.  Gramps
isn't bad, except when it crashes.
It is the only Linux program I've
ever had crash.
JimS








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RE: [LegacyUG] GenealogyBank ATTN: LEGACY SUPPORT

[Lee Bruch]

Sorry, but I don’t agree that my post was insulting.

I made it clear that I’m over 60 too (in fact, near 70).

Any yes, many of us elderly are quite sharp.

But its well documented that the best “marks” for scammers and con artists are 
elderly.



From: Ron Bernier [mailto:ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 6:30 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] GenealogyBank ATTN: LEGACY SUPPORT



Lee and JLB,

You are both very insulting with your comments that someone over 60 is ripe to 
fall for a telephone scam.  How about you give people credit for being a little 
smarter than both of you think they are.  I assure you that neither of you are 
smarter than the average user even though you both obviously give yourselves 
more credit than you deserve.



Ron Bernier,

An intelligent over 60 senior

On Wednesday, August 22, 2012, Lee Bruch wrote:

LEGACY SUPPORT:
Please chime in here about these phone calls.

Since many genealogists are over 60 (like me) and ripe to be conned, a word to 
the wise from you may help.

A reminder to all:

NEVER EVER give any private information, ESPECIALLY DON'T PURCHASE FROM, NOR 
GIVE ANY CREDIT CARD INFO WHATSOVEVER TO, TO, ANYONE who calls you out of the 
blue.
Scammers have MANY nefarious ways of getting your phone numbers and getting 
private info about you.

Don't get conned. Don't get scammed.

Lee

-Original Message-
From: JLB [mailto:j...@jgen.ws  ]
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 4:58 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] GenealogyBank

I'm glad you didn't. I'm betting someone over the age of 60 did Think about it. 
Genealogy is mostly a past-time of older people and having grown up in more 
innocent times we're ripe for the pickin'. Please report back; I'm curious how 
this turns out.
---
JL Beeken
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/





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Woonsocket, RI


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RE: [LegacyUG] GenealogyBank ATTN: LEGACY SUPPORT

[Lee Bruch]

LEGACY SUPPORT:
Please chime in here about these phone calls.

Since many genealogists are over 60 (like me) and ripe to be conned, a word to 
the wise from you may help.

A reminder to all:

NEVER EVER give any private information, ESPECIALLY DON'T PURCHASE FROM, NOR 
GIVE ANY CREDIT CARD INFO WHATSOVEVER TO, TO, ANYONE who calls you out of the 
blue.
Scammers have MANY nefarious ways of getting your phone numbers and getting 
private info about you.

Don't get conned. Don't get scammed.

Lee

-Original Message-
From: JLB [mailto:j...@jgen.ws]
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 4:58 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] GenealogyBank

I'm glad you didn't. I'm betting someone over the age of 60 did. Think about 
it. Genealogy is mostly a past-time of older people and having grown up in more 
innocent times we're ripe for the pickin'. Please report back; I'm curious how 
this turns out.
---
JL Beeken
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

On 8/22/2012 4:40 PM, Kathy Meyer wrote:
> I did not give out any information and I will send the number that
> called me (from my caller ID) to customer support. Thanks. Kathy
>
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Ron Ferguson
> mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk>> wrote:
>
> JL,
>
> I entirely agree. I have never, nor will I ever, give *any* personal
> information to an unsolicited phone call unless, they are calling from a
> number in my telephone address book and I know the name of the person
> calling. High on this list of personal details is bank account
> information.
>
> Incidentally, my land-line phone shows the caller number (and name
> if in the
> address book) - called "Caller Display" in the UK, so if the number is
> withheld, or a special number eg. free phone or local pricing then I
> will
> not normally answer as I assume the caller will either be wanting to
> sell
> something or are conducting an intrusive survey! If they really do
> wish to
> talk to me they can leave a message on my answerphone - 99% of the
> time they
> do not.
>
> Ron Ferguson
> http://www.fergys.co.uk/
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JLB
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:00 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] GenealogyBank
>
> Unless I initiated the call myself to a known reputable company to make
> a purchase, I would not be giving out my credit card number and other
> personal information to someone who 'just happened to call'.
>
> I'm not saying it's the case with this, because I just don't know, but I
> do know people have no end of ideas how to get their hands on people's
> personal information. Good idea; check with Legacy. If it's not them,
> someone is pretending to be.
> ---
> JL Beeken
> JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
> http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/
>
> On 8/22/2012 2:36 PM, Lavern Hall wrote:
>  > Hi Kathy,
>  > When I first subscribed to GenealogyBank, I received a couple of
> phone
>  > calls from them. The nature of their calls were to ask how I
> liked the
>  > program and how they could be of help.
>  > I have never received a call like the one you described from Legacy.
>  > Unless Legacy Family Tree is having some sort of a marketing
> campaign,
>  > it makes me wonder who actually called you. If you haven't done so
>  > already, it might be a good idea to contact Legacy.
>  > Best,
>  > Lavern Hall
>  > Aurora, Ohio, USA
>  > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:40 PM, JLB   >>
>  > wrote:
>  >
>  > Gee, it sounds like it could have been anyone. Not Legacy and not
>  > GenealogyBank. It seems like a weird thing for Legacy to be
> doing.
>  >
>  > Perhaps an enterprising marketer? All they would need is your
> credit
>  > card number to make a purchase through their affiliate account.
>  >
>  > Then, on the other hand, maybe it was an enterprising
> marketer who
>  > just
>  > wanted your credit card number and all your other personal
> information
>  > so they could go shopping elsewhere.
>  > ---
>  > JL Beeken
>  > JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
>  > http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/
>  >
>  > On 8/22/2012 1:26 PM, Kathy Meyer wrote:
>  > > Just got a call and they identified themselves as calling from
>  > Legacy
>  > > Family Tree and first thing wanted to know if I'd upgraded to
>  > version
>  > > 7.5 and I said that upgrade happened a really long time ago. He
>  > wasn't
>  > > talking about any of the version upgrades since then.  He
>  > proceeded to
>  > > ask about GenealogyBank and if I'd

RE: [LegacyUG] Adding IPTC information to scanned documents and images

[Lee Bruch]

Refer to
http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/glossary/f/metadata.htm


-Original Message-
From: Brenda Van Dyke [mailto:b...@columbus.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 4:38 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adding IPTC information to scanned documents and images

Ok, I'll bite - what is IPTC?


--Original Message--
From: Emily Moore
Sender: Emily Moore
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
ReplyTo: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Adding IPTC information to scanned documents and images
Sent: Aug 19, 2012 6:50 PM

Is there anything better than Adobe Photoshop Elements for adding IPTC 
information to scanned images that one wants to use within Legacy?  Can you add 
IPTC information with Heritage Collector or Legacy?  It is my understanding 
that if you enter the information via Adobe Elements, it will transfer Legacy.

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RE: [LegacyUG] Ambiguous/Unisex Names

[Lee Bruch]

Ah, those ambiguous names.

I know a female Devin (in our extended family, born in the 1980’s)



From: Terri Brown [mailto:ridge...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 8:56 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ambiguous/Unisex Names



Devin tends to be a male name. I know several males named Devin but no females.



Jordan, unfortunately, can be either.



No clue on the others.



Terri Brown

From: Charani 
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 10:58 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Ambiguous/Unisex Names


I have several children who have been given names that are not
obviously male or female or could be either.  Asking the parents isn't
possible.  They are all North American and born in the late 1980s.

No surnames given.

Devin Spencer (b Michigan)
Heber Brynn (b British Columbia)
Jessen Shay (b Alberta)
Jordan Marinus (b Michigan)

I would appreciate possible enlightenment please :))

--
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Greinton and Clutton, SOM
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RE: Fwd: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy > Dropbox > Syncback

[Lee Bruch]

I suggest you read back in the recent archives. The discussion has been very 
concerning, but no need repeating it now when its available in the archives.

-Original Message-
From: Maryjo Harper [mailto:mjohar...@comcast.net]
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 6:37 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: Fwd: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy > Dropbox > Syncback


Hi, I'm newly back to the list after several years away. Am coming in on this 
conversation in the middle, so please forgive duplicate comments and such.

I use Dropbox for my immediately real time file saves, synching and reading 
from all my devices (also has mobile component), but I also use Carbonite for 
daily backup of everything onto their servers which hold my data in redundant 
copies on several servers at several physical sites. Have once had to backup 
from Carbonite. It went very well. Compared to Mozy, which didn't and drove me 
nuts. So Dropbox is my daily use cloud service and Carbonite is my "vault." 
Carbonite will also do a mirror image of your entire system, os, programs, 
settings and all, for some extra money, but so far I haven't done that. I know 
I should. Also well advised is one's own external local backup, but I haven't 
had much luck with that. Probably need to buy a larger capacity external drive.

Has this subject come up in relation to the epic hack experienced last week by 
Mat Honan? Where by way of iTunes and Amazon, his entire online, mobile and 
computer life, everything, even including pictures of his baby daughter, was 
erased within a matter of about 15 minutes? And unrecoverable? Whoa, what a 
story.

So I've been going back through all my sites eliminating, changing, resetting 
security in, etc., but it's a long slog. Also, advice is not to fail to 
establish Google Second Step Authentication, which is supposed to pretty much 
stop any hack attempts. Since I basically don't trust Google and don't use 
Google, I'm hesitant. But since my smartphone is Android, I guess I'd better.

Mat Honan's story, a cautionary tale if I ever heard one.



Moral of all these stories: multiple backups + intelligent, diligent privacy 
setting = happy computing & ancestor hunting.


Mary Jo




-Original Message-
From: Tim Rosenlof [mailto:spa...@xmission.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 5:52 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy > Dropbox > Syncback

On 8/12/2012 6:16 PM, Charani wrote:
> There's no reason why you shouldn't keep doing it the way you are BUT
> keep another copy on an external hard drive you can lodge with a
> trusted friend or a relative.  MJ SA's use of a flash drive is good
> because you can keep it in your purse so it's with you all the time -
> just in case.

If in your purse, I would encrypt it. Identity theft. If you loose that 
particular device, or purse .

I am fortunate, I have my bank with a safety box about two minutes from my 
home. I am just limited by their hours. For me, $28 dollars a year is worth it.

As I have mentioned in other posts, I use two portable hard drives that cycle 
back and forth from my bank.

On another note,
Anyone used the 'M' disk yet ? Comments if so.


--
Tim Rosenlof
Utah, USA
Swedish Research



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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy > Dropbox > Syncback

[Lee Bruch]

Could you cc me on that too?
Lee Bruch
lbr...@nwlink.com

-Original Message-
From: Charani [mailto:charan...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 2:33 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy > Dropbox > Syncback

Ian GARDENER wrote:
> This forum is probably not the place for it so if you want to email
> me, I’ll email you response.
>
> It’s not hard to set up though, in my opinion the trick is NOT to
> schedule backups but to use it’s own internal option to cycle the
> backups and/or syncs every x minutes. Also understand what you want,
> backup, sync, or both.

Can you cc me that as well, please?

--
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Greinton and Clutton, SOM
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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy > Dropbox > Syncback

[Lee Bruch]

Just be sure that if your files on SugarSynch get changed or deleted for any of 
many reasons that the following will not occur - there is a real danger that it 
could happen - check to make sure:
A possibility:
1. your files on SugarSynch get deleted or changed by any of many unexpected 
causes
2. you open your computer and it automatically synchs
3. all your files synch to the last action, that of the change or delection 
that happened at SugarSuynch
4. The, when you look at your files, since they synched to the latest changes, 
you find them gone or changed.
It's a possibility - just make da..ed sure that it can't happen


-Original Message-
From: JLB [mailto:j...@jgen.ws]
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 10:53 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy > Dropbox > Syncback

With SugarSync, on the other hand, you don't move files to a folder such as 'My 
SugarSync'. Right-click on Legacy in its default location and 'Add Folder to 
SugarSync'. If your SugarSync account disappears, Legacy will still be on your 
hard-drive.
---
JL Beeken
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

On 8/10/2012 1:13 AM, Mike Fry wrote:
> On 2012/08/10 00:51, JLB wrote:
>
>> The My Dropbox folder on your computer is synced to Dropbox on their
>> server. If you log into your account and delete a file/folder, as
>> would happen if they killed your account, it IS going to disappear
>> from the My
>
>> Dropbox folder on any of your computers. That's what syncing means.
>
> A *VERY* good reason to keep your main Legacy files away from the
> DropBox folder
> :-) I.e. only use the DropBox folder as a backup area and _copy_ your
> FDB file to it rather than pointing DropBox at the 'real' file folder.
>



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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy > Dropbox > Syncback

[Lee Bruch]

Actually, it would depend on how their servers and their system are configured 
I think.

If they deleted the files and afterwards your computer synched with them, your 
files on your computer might automatically delete themselves too as part of the 
synch.

On the other hand, if they've designed their system so that they don't delete 
the files until after making a synch impossible, then the files on your 
computer would be in no danger.

With anything important I'd definitely want to verify with the company.

-Original Message-
From: Gene Young [mailto:n2...@cfl.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 1:28 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy > Dropbox > Syncback

On 8/9/2012 3:22 PM, GeoPappas wrote:
> << These services do not have access to our computers. >>
>
> Actually, that is not totally correct. Â Any service that allows
> synchronization between computers does have access to your computer
> (otherwise it wouldn't be able to synchronize the files between
> computers). Â In other words, if I move my Legacy files to the
> SkyDrive directory, then SkyDrive does have access to those files. Â
> And if I delete those files on one computer, then those files will be
> deleted from all computers that are synchronized.
>

However, once they cancel the contract between them and you, they have lost 
permission and the right to access your computer and any further access and or 
file deletions would be computer trespass in MANY legal jurisdictions.  I doubt 
any cloud service would risk the many and serious repercussions from such a 
pointless action as deleting files from your computer with no valid reason or 
justification for doing so.


I do not think I will worry about it.  And it really is not a Legacy or Legacy 
add-on program.

--

Gene Young
Researching Young, Harer, Cox & Sallada
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RE: [LegacyUG] Dropped birth date

[Lee Bruch]

An interesting sidelight: February 30 actually existed in 2 officially used  
calendars:

The Swedish calendar in year 1712 only and the Soviet Revolutionary calendar 
from about 1930 to about 1940 (official but not widely used); and in a proposed 
calendar: the Symmetry454 calendar.

See http://www.timeanddate.com/date/february-30.html

And

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_30





From: RICHARD SCHULTHIES [mailto:fourpa...@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 10:03 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Dropped birth date



I have parish records dated Feb 30, 1846. The next few were dated Mar 1, so I 
can not ?correct? this error, but I put 'Feb 30, 1846' so it is referenced by 
notes.



From: Ron Taylor 
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2012 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Dropped birth date


I believe after re-checking those screen shots that Dave is correct about the 
date 29 Feb 1890.  Since that is an invalid date, it is not being sorted or 
shown correctly.  Change it to 28 Feb 1890 (with a possible explanation for 
doing so) and then see if things shake out as they should.
Ron Taylor




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RE: [LegacyUG] HELP Restoring backup

[Lee Bruch]

I believe that the original poster didn't suggest that the deletion of the info 
was a bug. He knew he had made a mistake. What he was upset with is that he 
couldn't restore the links by restoring from a prior backup copy.

This does seem to be a serious problem.

If something were to go awry on my system, and I had to reinstall from backup, 
I too would be most distressed if the backup omitted to restore links to my 
multimedia.

Lee Bruch

-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 3:32 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] HELP Restoring backup

Ian,

I am back on my PC now, so am able to check out the problem.

After my initial comment I thought that there must be a bug, as the picture 
file name and the path are contained in two separate files: tblBR contains the 
name of the picture and tblBP the path. From your description is seems that 
both tables have have the picture records removed - can you confirm this? As 
you say, I do not now think this is a bug as the bar clearly states that 
clicking will remove the record.

However, it does bring a thought to mind. I doubt if there will be many, if 
any, times when someone wishes to remove all the record, but I can envisage 
circumstances whereby one just wishes to remove the paths. Perhaps the button 
could enforce a choice, at least it would minimise accidental deletion of the 
lot!

I cannot think of a way round your problem, other than on my PC (HP WIN7
64bit) it routinely creates a backup of all the HD without prompting, I don't 
suppose that you have overlooked this possibility - if it exists on your PC.

Ron Ferguson
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RE: [LegacyUG] Search the IGI

[Lee Bruch]

There were a number of answers ...in short the church is changing IGI on their 
website
See https://familysearch.org/blog/igi-site/

I've copied some of the answers below:

"The IGI Search as it was is no longer available.  The church is incorporating 
it into their main website.
Please update to the latest build 7.5.0.201, which has notification of this 
when you go to the search.
Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree"

And

See "https://familysearch.org/blog/igi-site/
Tim Rosenlof
Beta Tester
Utah, USA"


-Original Message-
From: Tony Rolfe [mailto:geneal...@gillandtony.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 10:31 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Search the IGI

I sent this e-mail a couple of days ago and it hasn't appeared in the list, so 
I'm sending it again.  Apologies to anyone who has had it before.

--

Does anyone have any idea why the "Search > Search the IGI Website"
facility in Legacy is behaving peculiarly?

I used (several months ago) to be able to go there and then search for the 
current person, simply by clicking "search".

Now, it starts up and, after 2-3 seconds, goes into the "waiting for a family 
search imposed 33 second delay" countdown for 33 seconds, goes into search mode 
for less than 1 second, repeats the countdown etc.

Nothing is able to complete.

Any ideas?

Thanks

Tony








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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources for pictures

[Lee Bruch]

Yes, below seems workable. Or like I do, you could buy a small portable hard 
drive (they are now quite small physically but hold many GB) and carry that 
with you plugging it into ea of your computers as you work. You would use that 
as your own personal cloud, just like it were dropbox, etc. (Make sure each 
computer remembers the portable hard drive with the same name).
Whatever you do, make sure you have a safe backup.


-Original Message-
From: JLB [mailto:j...@jgen.ws]
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 5:24 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources for pictures

In regards to your photos it looked from your screenshot that you had your 
linked files on at least 6 different drives. You said 3 computers so I'm 
guessing the other 3 are external hard-drives or flash-drives. ??

I'm wondering if you have backups for any of these? Or are the files being used 
directly from this variety of locations with no backup? That would be a bad 
idea.

Are all the files in these different drive and folder locations linked into 
your Legacy database? With 3 computers, the ones linked to Legacy need to be in 
a location like a cloud service that's installed on each computer, OR an 
external drive that you plug into each computer.

What I would suggest is that you put all your genealogy folders in one 
location. For Legacy-linked files, will they fit into something like 2Gb free 
on Dropbox or 5Gb free on Google Drive? That way you can link to them all at 
that one location from your different computers.

Once you decide where they're going to be and put them there, you can go to 
Options/Customize/Locations/View Current List of Multimedia Locations and 
"Change" each file-path to point to where you've put the files. This will save 
you having to re-link every one of them.
---
JL Beeken
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/







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RE: [LegacyUG] No emails from group

[Lee Bruch]

Charani: Please explain in plain English the portion of your message remaining 
below.

Reason I ask: lots of international emails have characters like ? etc. inserted 
into the text in place of original characters. I had always presumed that was 
because my email reader could not understand umlauts, accents, etc. Is there a 
way to set it up for those characters to appear in their native format?

-Original Message-
From: Charani [mailto:charan...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 11:13 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] No emails from group

Ron Ferguson wrote:



Your message is showing:

Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The quoted printable is making the question marks appear as
=C3 =A2 =E2 =82 =AC =E2 =80 =9C when I look at the source and makes my email 
client ask to send in UTF-8 rather than Western ISO 8859-1 (I added the spaces 
or the coding may not show depending on the charset used.



--
Charani (UK)
OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick,
Greinton and Clutton, SOM
http://wsom-opc.org.uk









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RE: [LegacyUG] No emails from group

[Lee Bruch]

Contact support at supp...@legacyfamilytree.com and they can enroll you.

After a year of trying to connect using the website (including responding to 
the verification notices) I contacted support and they got it working for me.



Dozens of people (including myself) have complained about the problem to the 
LUG and to Family Search Legacy Users Group. Legacy seems to feel it’s all 
working as it should … maybe it is from their computers, but it sure isn’t from 
many computers.



From: Diane Sye [mailto:dnk...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:23 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] No emails from group



I have clicked the link verifying my subscription to the list but have received 
no emails.  Suggestions please
Diane



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RE: [LegacyUG] FamilySearch Interface

[Lee Bruch]

For these questions re interface of Legacy with Family Search and nFS:
I'd suggest you question and discuss on the LegacyFS (Legacy Family Search) 
user group.
Discussions there center of Legacy as it related to Family Search and nFS and 
people there are very knowledgeable.
You can find more about that user group at 
http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/legacylists.asp


-Original Message-
From: JLB [mailto:j...@jgen.ws]
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 11:05 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] FamilySearch Interface

I've been wondering the same thing. I've just opened FamilySearch inside Legacy 
and I can go to nFS as before. I thought there was a way to go from there to 
Family Tree but I guess not. It's the same login but not a connected location 
yet. I'm guessing when it's time Legacy will make the change to link up to 
Family Tree directly.

In the meantime, if I use Legacy to upload more information to nFS will it also 
show up in Family Tree? Everything I put up to nFS last year is also on 
FamilyTree. Just not sure how that would work right now.
---
JL Beeken
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

On 7/13/2012 10:20 PM, Kirsten Bowman wrote:
> I’ve been reading Helps and Tutorials at FamilySearch.org and
> *believe* I understand that trees now at new.FamilySearch are going to
> be moved to something called Family Tree with significantly improved
> tools/capabilities. Is this correct and, if so, how will it affect the
> current Legacy interface? Does anyone know more about this change?
> Kirsten
>
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