[LegacyUG] Reset Autonumber

[M. Brenzel]

This is an Access question as I am trying to manipulate my Legacy database 
using Access.  Yes, I am working with a backup copy of my database.

Is there a way to reset the value to be used as the next ID in a table?  The 
field type is AutoNumber.  I know that I can't change the value of the ID in a 
table.  I would like to force a new record to use the ID (autonumber) of one 
that no longer exists in the table.

I know Access quite well but I haven't been able to find this out.  I'm hoping 
that Access doesn't look at the highest number and add one to it for the next 
new record.

Thanks much!

Mary






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RE: [LegacyUG] Reset Autonumber

[M. Brenzel]

Because I wanted to use Paul's Census Finder program which currently uses ID = 
12 for Census Event.  I deleted quite a few of the events provided with Legacy, 
including the Census event.  I have found a workaround using a copy of my 
database and updating the IDET in tblER for those census records.

Mary

-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 5:02 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Reset Autonumber

M. Brenzel wrote:
> This is an Access question as I am trying to manipulate my Legacy
> database using Access.  Yes, I am working with a backup copy of my
> database.
>
> Is there a way to reset the value to be used as the next ID in a
> table?  The field type is AutoNumber.  I know that I can't change the
> value of the ID in a table.  I would like to force a new record to
> use the ID (autonumber) of one that no longer exists in the table.
>
> I know Access quite well but I haven't been able to find this out.
> I'm hoping that Access doesn't look at the highest number and add one
> to it for the next new record.
>
> Thanks much!
>
> Mary

Mary,

It is not possible to do what you are requesting as this is a Primary Field
and is used with the SQL to link fields together. If you did you would end
in a disaster. What is more puzzling is why you should wish to do this as
they are not relevant to anything which you can change in Legacy.

Ron Ferguson
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RE: [LegacyUG] List of names with hyperlinks to relevant documentation for each person

[M. Brenzel]

Bill,



Actually, you don’t have to rename the file.  Go to the folder list where your 
database is.  Right-click on the .fdb file, go to Open With and select 
Microsoft Access.



Mary



From: Bill Wood [mailto:steamingb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 8:50 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] List of names with hyperlinks to relevant documentation 
for each person



Yeeeha !



  >> It's already in an Access database :-) The file extension may not be what
 >>  you're used to, but it *is* an Access database.





Thankyou for that good news.



I am quite chuffed - all I have to do is copy the fdb and rename it to mdb. 
Great stuff.



Thanks again



Bill

On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Mike Fry  wrote:

On 2010/01/10 13:24, Bill Wood expressed the following opinion:

> I have been using Legacy for approx 12 months.
> There are times when I wish I could simply dump my data and pour it into
> an access database and do some basic queries and reports and some
> customisation.

It's already in an Access database :-) The file extension may not be what
you're used to, but it *is* an Access database.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg




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RE: [LegacyUG] Squished Popup Box Pictures

[M. Brenzel]

You don't have to hover over a name in the Pedigree screen and get the data to 
pop up before going back to the Family View.  Just opening the Pedigree view 
and going back to Family View will result in the pop up being normal size.

Mary


-Original Message-
From: Brian L. Lightfoot [mailto:br...@the-lightfoots.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 12:31 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Squished Popup Box Pictures

I have established a single web page which shows the problem with Legacy
v7.4 and squished popup boxes. Much thanks to Jennifer Crockett in the land
down-under who sent me a screen capture showing the anomaly.

Go here:
http://legacy.the-lightfoots.com/


Brian in CA
Rain, again?





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RE: [LegacyUG] Analyze Data/Sources

[M. Brenzel]

Paul,

Yes, I also got an error message.  I am running on Windows Vista Home Premium.

I will be happy to send a screenshot directly to you if you want.

Mary


-Original Message-
From: PDR [mailto:pd...@stny.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 5:56 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Analyze Data/Sources

Gene said:

> I downloaded the program, however it does not work.  It appears to be
> missing some files.  I suggest waiting until Paul addresses this problem
> and re-posts.  I have emailed him the error message off list.  It sounds
> as if it will be a useful addition if he can get it running smoothly.

He had the problem on an XP SP3 system.  I have downloaded the program on my
XP SP3 laptop and it works fine.  Is anyone else having a problem?

Paul




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RE: [LegacyUG] Analyze Data/Sources

[M. Brenzel]

Works now!  Thanks, Paul!

Mary

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Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 6:54 PM
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Gene wrote:

> But do you have the same development programs on your laptop?  If you do
> then you would also have the files that the program needs.  The
> references to the missing files point to a location on your hard drive.

That is exactly the problem.  Somehow a feature was included into the
program that I did not intend and it was not used.  It required a dll to be
installed.  I have removed the feature and placed a new version of Legacy
Sources on the website.  It should work now.

http://sites.google.com/site/promanowiczsite/legacy-sources

Sorry for the inconvience.

Paul




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RE: [LegacyUG] Changed Email Address Twice--Not getting mail

[M. Brenzel]

Bill,

Just a couple of ideas/comments/suggestions -

First, please try to remember to send your messages in Plain Text as indicated 
in the user list guidelines.

Second, you have successfully sent this message to the email list.  Obviously, 
you are subscribed.  I have seen many messages on this list pertaining to gmail 
accounts.  It is my understanding that you will not see messages that you send. 
 If you are not seeing any messages from anyone else on this list (this is a 
very active list), then I suggest you contact:

1.  Legacy Technical Support - http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp 
or at supp...@legacyfamilytree.com

2.  Your Internet Service Provider

3.  Google for gmail support

Mary


From: William H. Boswell [mailto:whbosw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 8:53 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Changed Email Address Twice--Not getting mail

I changed my email address twice now since last night, and once a few weeks ago 
and I'm not receiving any messages.  It only does this with Gmail accounts.  I 
had to change my email because I was worried about receiving too many messages 
with my web hosting service because they have a tendency to block or cancel 
accounts if we receive too much email.

Confirming the subscription by clicking the link doesn't seem to make any 
difference either.  Would this have anything to do with unsubscribing then 
subscribing again with the same account?

Bill Boswell


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RE: [LegacyUG] Merging using Intellishare

[M. Brenzel]

Ron,

SSDI is the Social Security Death Index.  This is a US-only source of data.

Mary

-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 12:04 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Merging using Intellishare

Angela,

It might be because I have my head tied up in another problem that I don't
understand, but what is ssdi?

You might be able to minimise you problem by first copying the amended files
from B ie. the ones which you have changed since abstracting B from A, using
Search>Find>Detailed Search and on the first row: Individual; Modified Date;
After; insert the date you split the files in the last box. Click "Create"
and on the new screen Options>Advanced Tagging; select a convenient tag
number and then "Everyone in Search List". Copy the tagged file into a new
Legacy file and then merge with A

Ron Ferguson
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- Original Message -
From: Joe Smith
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: 03 March 2010 15:25
Subject: [LegacyUG] Merging using Intellishare



Hi,

I have one family file with 15,000 people (file A).  I created a new file
(with all the same individuals) (file B)  to do a special project but then
forgot to return to my original file A.

In the meantime I have imput about 700 new individuals into file B.

I want to merge file B back into file A.   I did this and then did
intellishare and then did automerge.  The automerge began running and it had
2,994,340 possible files to review.  I let it run and it took in excess of
12 hours and then it returned to the files for me to go through to find all
of the individuals that still need to be reviewed.  (I saved the merge file
and compared the file sizes.  There were over 17,000 people that in the new
file)

Thinking this is nuts and would take all week.  I undid the merge and
started again with file A and B.Is there anyway to merge these files
that wont take a huge amount of time?

Yes, the files are the same other than adding the new individuals and adding
some ssdi info to some of the existing files.   The reason I want to revert
to file A is that in file A I have extensively used the tags and do not want
to lose them (months of work).  In file B I deleted all of the tags to do my
project.

Any advice would be welcome,

Thanks,
Angela






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RE: [LegacyUG] Source List Name

[M. Brenzel]

Because it looks like B00K – B-zero-zero-K, not B-O-O-K.  Numbers come before 
letters, therefore, B-zero comes before B-O.



From: Pat Hickin [mailto:pph...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 10:49 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Source List Name



Can someone explain to me why these three entries appear in the following order 
in the Master Source List -- or has the alphabet changed?  :-(



INET - B00K - ORAL HIST - PRICKETT-Charles

INET - B00K - ORAL HIST - PRICKETT-MaudieF fam  UCLA

INET - BIO - BOGARDUS_Anneke_JansBerne



Thanks.

Pat



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RE: [LegacyUG] Same sex Marriages

[M. Brenzel]

As a software tester by profession, I wouldn't categorize this as a bug.  It is 
an enhancement to add this functionality to the program.  And as Jim stated, it 
will affect most of the program.

Mary

> You summarise what the problem is so far as the end user is concerned.
> We
have no information as to when bugs will be fixed. 2 years is far too long!
We don't understand the process for prioritisation of bugs. From looking at 
version fix lists some of the things fixed are very obscure and at the same 
time obvious problems as this are ignored or appear to be. I believe I have 
reported 5 bugs and I believe only one is fixed and that was one that was 
previously known about. Why all the secrecy about bug fixes and anticipated 
fixes.
>
> Regards
>
> Adrian







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RE: [LegacyUG] Families app and iOS9

[M. Brenzel]

A co-worker of mine asked me this morning if I had installed iOS9 on my iPad.  
I told him no because I like to wait.  This is why…



From: Malcolm Green [mailto:malc...@telgen.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 2:50 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Families app and iOS9



We're aware of problems running the Families app on some devices which have 
been upgraded to iOS 9.  We're working to resolve this and would recommend that 
you delay the upgrade until we’re able to release a new version to fix the 
problem.  We're sorry for the inconvenience.



Malcolm Green

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Re: [LegacyUG] Entering a Location on a Military Base

[M. Brenzel]

Maybe with the address you can find the county.

Ireland Army Community Hospital
289 Ireland Avenue
Building 851
Fort Knox, KY

Mary


On Jul 22, 2014, at 10:57 AM, Susan Swindell  wrote:

> I was born in a military hospital.  For years I had listed the wrong county 
> until I took a good look at my birth certificate.  The base was in a 
> different county than the city it was named after.  Perhaps you could find a 
> genealogical society or historical society in the area and query them as to 
> the county in which the hospital is located.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Jim  wrote:
> Anyone have any ideas for entering a location for Fort Knox, Kentucky? A 
> relative was born on the base which straddles two different counties. Nothing 
> shows up in the GEO location list. I'm sure if I knew the base - the hospital 
> would be the exact location, but I don't even know which county its in.
>
> Jim Adkins



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RE: [LegacyUG] Obituary Event

[M. Brenzel]

But you can also look at it as a fact in the person's life.  An obituary was 
published for the individual.

-Original Message-
From: Doug Laidlaw [mailto:laidl...@hotkey.net.au]
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 4:03 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Obituary Event

I would think of it as a source.  It is not something that happened in the 
history of the individual in question, but an entirely separate piece of 
documentary evidence.

Doug.

On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:04:45 -0800 (PST) Marg Strong  wrote:

> Speaking of obituary event (someone recently used it as an
> illustration) I didn't think of it as being an event, but as a source,
> with the transcription in the detail.
>
>
> If it were listed as an event, then it would be seen in the body of
> the report, but as a source, it would be found in the
> footnotes/endnotes so the event seems an advantage, having relatives
> who will be sent my "book" after I am happier with my entries. (I'm
> cleaning them up a bit every day) I'm fairly sure that most will skim
> over the footnotes/endnotes or not read them. Do you use it as a
> source or event or both, when you have few or no other sources for the
> death?
>
> Thanks for you ideas on this,
> Peggy
>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy problems

[M. Brenzel]

Are you backing up the tree to the thumb drive or is the file there a .fdb 
file?  If you are backing it up there, it is a .zip file and you can't open 
that directly from Legacy.  Legacy will only open .fdb files.

If, however, the file on your thumb drive is the database itself (.fdb file), 
then go to the General tab on Options->Customize menu.  In the 2nd block on the 
left is "Starting Family File".  This setting will determine which file is 
opened when you launch Legacy.

Mary

-Original Message-
From: MJ SA [mailto:michs...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 12:14 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy problems

I am so over this program!  I have set Legacy to open up with my family tree. 
Now I am spending the little time I have (I am disabled) trying to find where 
Legacy put my family tree.  Last night when I opened Legacy, my family tree 
opened automatically. this is happening too many times. How can I find my 
family tree, the one that opened last night when I opened Legacy?

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Mike Fry  wrote:
> On 2012/11/22 19:03, MJ SA wrote:
>
>> Why is it every time I back up my family tree onto a thumb drive, the
>> next day when I open legacy, my family tree is not there?  This
>> happens all the time.   How do I find the family tree that I set to
>> open every time I open legacy.







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[LegacyUG] Unused Surnames

[M. Brenzel]

I am trying to find surnames in my database that are not being used.



If I don't know the maiden name of a woman, I enter her surname as [[Smith,
wife of John]].  Once I find her maiden name, I update her record
accordingly but I know that I may not have gone back to the Master Surname
List and deleted the temporary name.  I would like to clean them up now.



If I run the Surname Summary list, these surnames don't show up in the list
and I suspect that they might be included in "No Surname".



If I open the database in Access and look at tblNR, I see that there is a
column for "Used".  I thought that those not used would have Used = 0 but
this is not the case.  Some of the ones that are used also have Used = 0.



Can anyone provide some insight into this?



Thank you!

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RE: [LegacyUG] Unused Surnames

[M. Brenzel]

Thanks, Jenny!  I didn't look far enough down in the Options list to see that 
command.

I'd still like to know why the Used flag in tblNR is 0 when the surname is in 
fact used.  This is contrary to the Y/N bit (1=true, 0=false).

-Original Message-
From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk]
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 5:33 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unused Surnames

On 06/01/2013 10:26, M. Brenzel wrote:
> I am trying to find surnames in my database that are not being used.
>
>
>
> If I don't know the maiden name of a woman, I enter her surname as
> [[Smith, wife of John]].  Once I find her maiden name, I update her
> record accordingly but I know that I may not have gone back to the
> Master Surname List and deleted the temporary name.  I would like to clean 
> them up now.
>

View>Master Lists>Surname...>Options>Purge Unused...


--
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RE: [LegacyUG] still have a duplicate

[M. Brenzel]

MJ SA (not sure what your name is since you don't sign your messages),

I have read and re-read the message below from Jenny that I believe you have 
referred to as rude.  There are a handful of users on this list who will do 
almost anything to help others on this list.  Jenny is one of them!  She was 
merely asking you to keep your questions to one at a time.  And I might add 
that it is best if all users on this list change the subject of the email to 
match what the question/issue is.  You went from one problem to another, mixing 
them together, all under "Still have a duplicate" as the subject line.

To quote you, I was "SHOCKED to see your comment" as it was more rude and 
filled with more nastiness than I have ever seen on this list.  Only once 
before have I decided to delete all emails from a particular user on this list 
immediately without reading them.  You have successfully joined that list.  
Have you ever heard the phrase that you should never "bite the hand that feeds 
you"?  I suspect that you have now alienated yourself from all of the good 
people on this list who would otherwise be willing to help you.

Mary

-Original Message-
From: MJ SA [mailto:michs...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 6:14 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] still have a duplicate

Jenny M Benson

I had a problem with the Legacy program, last summer. I called legacy support, 
I was on the phone for close to 2 hours with support. The person could NOT, do 
you understand what NOT means, the support person could NOT help me. I never 
said a word on this thread about this, he knows who he is. When I got off the 
phone with this support person, I uninstalled and reinstalled the program, 
problem was solved!!!

So my comment about Support jumping in, I was being sarcastic!!!
Someone else posted a comparison to another family tree program the same days 
these emails were going on, and support JUMPED onto that thread to say how 
Legacy is better.

I was also SHOCKED to see your comment, what part of I AM DISABLED do you NOT 
GET  Yes, I know people are helping me, especially Ron Ferguson, but if you 
look at the date of your "response" unlike YOU, most of the world was in shock 
of Newtown, which is right near me and where I grew up. SO I was doing 26 acts 
of RANDOM kindness!!

Also, if I choose to ask many questions, that is MY Choice, and those who help 
me, it is THEIR choice to help me, I do not need to focus on one problem at a 
time, ignore the emails.

Clearly, you have not fully read my emails, you are evil, so evil.  In the 
future, I suggest you keep your nastiness to yourself.

On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 7:41 PM, 2marion wimps <2wi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 16 December 2012 20:31, Jenny M Benson  wrote:
>> On 14/12/2012 02:36, MJ SA wrote:
>>> maybe I should just call Legacy Support.  I need to focus on
>>> learning how to cite my sources. I am disabled, I really thought
>>> legacy support would have jumped in by now to offer a solution.
>>
>> This really is a group for Users to support other Users.  We are very
>> lucky that Legacy staff do participate and often give assistance with
>> people's problems - this doesn't happen with a lot of User Groups.
>> However, if you feel that upui have a specific problem which other
>> Users aren't able to assist you with (although I know several have
>> been
>> trying) you would be much better off contacting Support directly.
>>
>> I suggest that you concentrate on one specific issue and give as much
>> detail as possible to explain what you are doing and what result you
>> are getting.  Your Subject line references a problem with duplicates
>> in a Report but now you say you need to focus on learning to cite Sources.
>> One problem at a time, I advise!
>>
>> --
>> Jenny M Benson




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Re: [LegacyUG] My Sad News !!! Bob Cunningham

[M. Brenzel]

This is SPAM!  His email account has been hacked!


On Jul 25, 2013, at 8:07 AM, BOB CUNNINGHAM  wrote:

> I am writing this with tears in my eye, sorry i did not inform you about our 
> trip, few days back my family and I made an unannounced vacation trip to 
> Philippine and unfortunately we got attacked and mugged at gun point on our 
> way to the hotel where we stayed, all cash,credit card and cell were stolen 
> off but luckily we still have our passports left with us.
>
> We have been to the embassy and the Police but they're not helping issues at 
> all and our return flight leaves in few hours from now but we're having 
> problems settling the hotel bills and the hotel manager won't let us leave 
> until we settle the bills.
>
> I need your urgent help.
>
> Regards
> Bob Cunningham
>
>
> I am Researching:-
> Cunningham...Prestonpans, East Lothian
> Marr.Prestonpans, East Lothian
> Ritchie..Prestonpans, East Lothian
> Thomson..Prestonpans, East Lothian
> Taylor...Dunbar, East Lothian
> Catleugh.Haddington, East Lothian
> SharpTorryburn/Cowdenbeath, Fife
> Simpson..Torryburn/Cowdenbeath, Fife
> Stuart...Inverallan, Moray
> Dooley...Midlothian
> Garriock.Midlothian/Orkney
> BrassMidlothian/Orkney
> Nelson/Ward..New Zealand
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Index View - Options - Include Married Names

[M. Brenzel]

What version of Legacy do you have?  And what does Tony have?  Maybe that's the 
difference.

Mary

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On Aug 25, 2013, at 6:21 AM, Kathy Thompson  wrote:

> I wonder what the differences between your settings (Tony) and mine are then 
> for yours to appear and mine to not appear.
>
>
> On 25 August 2013 20:17, Tony Slunka  wrote:
> The married name option works on my computer. The married names are shown 
> with a § in front of them. They appear as soon as I select the option (no 
> regenerating).
>
> Tony
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kathy Thompson [mailto:kmthoms...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 12:47 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Index View - Options - Include Married Names
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by "regenerate" the list of names.
> If you mean by simply pressing RIN, Given or Surname, or entering data into 
> one of those fields, I do that about a dozen times every day I use the 
> program depending on my search needs.
>
> The thing is, the Alternate names are marked with a ~ in front of them, I 
> guess I'm expecting a similar kind of mark for the married names, and I'm not 
> seeing anything of that kind.
>
> Any other ideas?
>
> Kathy
>
> On 25/08/2013, at 5:30 PM, Mike Fry  wrote:
>
> > On 2013/08/25 07:11, Kathy Thompson wrote:
> >> I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong, or have something not
> >> ticked etc, but when I go to Index View and view the Options button
> >> on the same level as the RIN, Given & Surname buttons, and I tick
> >> "Include Married Names", nothing happens on my screen, at least nothing 
> >> that I can see happening.
> >
> >> The view does change if I tick the "Include Alternate Names" and that
> >> is helpful, but I could do with the Include Married Names working as well.
> >
> >> Can anyone please advise what I should be looking for, or what I
> >> should check to see why it's apparently not working?
> >
> > You probably need to "regenerate" the list of names. The list is
> > sequenced according to which button had been pressed prior to showing
> > the list - this may have been so long in the past, you don't remember
> > doing it. Or it can be sequenced by typing in one or other of the 3
> > corresponding fields. Resequencing the list also causes the list to be
> > regenerated according to what options are currently selected.
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Mike Fry
> > Johannesburg (g)
> >
> >
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[LegacyUG] Heritage Collector Suite

[M. Brenzel]

I just purchased and installed Heritage Collector Suite v7.5.



I stared looking at the Digital Family History Guidebook and now I'm a
little confused with the overall interface.  I saw the Family Information
Manager in the webinar but I don't see it.



Any users of HCS on this list?



Thanks!

Mary




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Re: [LegacyUG] Beta testing

[M. Brenzel]

David,

I purchased the download-only versions of Legacy 8 and the manual.  The email 
containing my customer number contained not only the instructions for 
downloading and unlocking the deluxe version but the manual as well.  Look down 
towards the bottom of the email for those instructions.  There should be a 
password for the manual.

Mary

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 4, 2013, at 11:07 AM, "David Abernathy"  
wrote:

> Lee Bruch,
> I think you are referring to the Microsoft “Public Beta’s”.
> Microsoft is the only software OEM that I am aware that has done this.
>
> I have done Beta testing for several OEM’s and it is not unusual to go 
> through 3-5 versions. On one beta we had 9 versions to test, before it was 
> sent out to be Released.
> You will also find that these Public Betas are time bombed, and have to be 
> “uninstalled” before the “production” release is installed. And ALL of these 
> “Public Beta” would be forced to buy the new version as their data would be 
> in the new format as there is NO going back.
>
> I do not think a Public Beta of Legacy would be any more beneficial than what 
> is happen now. We have had 3 or 4 updates since it was released. That is 
> almost one every day, I have never seen any other OEM respond with updates 
> this soon and fast.
>
> I installed Legacy 8 Standard the day it was released. Then on morning Dec 2, 
> I ordered the CD and download of the manual. That afternoon I received my 
> legacy Customer Number, and was able to then have the Deluxe version. I have 
> yet to receive instructions on downloading the manual, but I know that takes 
> time, the help files are enough at this time.
> I am running Legacy 8 on 2 Windows 7 machines, one 32 and one 64 bit. I will 
> be working them pretty hard in the next few days. But I have a couple of 
> Family Research SIG’s to go to today
>
> Thanks,
> David C Abernathy



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RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

[M. Brenzel]

Submit a suggestion!

-Original Message-
From: Bjørn K Nilssen [mailto:b...@bknilssen.no]
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 9:36 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

I prefer that second school too. What I'm interested in is where that location 
is, and who shared it. Adding 10 or more differently spelled versions isn't 
really that useful IMO. It would be nice to have an AKA for locations too 
though, with date and text fields.




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RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

[M. Brenzel]

Submit a suggestion!

-Original Message-
From: Tony Rolfe [mailto:geneal...@gillandtony.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:41 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Event Locations


On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 18:32:15 -0800 Bj�rn K Nilssen

 > I prefer that second school too. What I'm interested in is where that
 > location is, and who shared it. Adding 10 or more differently spelled
 > versions isn't really that useful IMO. It would be nice to have an
 > AKA for locations too though, with date and text fields.

What would be really nice would be to have date-linked short names for a
given location.  Something like

Long Name:  Sometown, someplace, Somecountry
Short name: to 31 mar 1837: An original short name
Short Name: to 1 Jan 1951: a different short name here
Short Name: to: current short name for the place

One problem I have is that Census enumerators described the same
location differently on different censuses.  It would be nice to record
what they actually wrote, without having to make a different location
entry for each census.  Now the program would pick the short name
according to the date for the display.

Actually, it might be useful to have both short and long names varying
by date with a "Location name" to identify it, but which isn't used in
reports.




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RE: [LegacyUG] V7.5.0.142 Web Page Creation

[M. Brenzel]

Ken,



I didn’t hear back from you but I thought I would send one of my files to you 
anyways.



Mary Brenzel



From: KenMcGinnis [mailto:kenmcgin...@legacyusers.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:17 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7.5.0.142 Web Page Creation



Can someone email me one of the original web page settings file for me to test 
with.

Thanks,



Ken McGinnis

Millennia Corporation

kenmcgin...@legacyfamilytree.com

http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

We are changing the world of genealogy!





  _

From: "Ron Ferguson" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 6:01 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7.5.0.142 Web Page Creation

Eric,

Thanks for copying Mark's post, however, as it was sent to the list I had
seen it. Like Mark I also am a Beta Tester, and first reported the problem
to the others. You can rest assured we will not let this one drop, Legacy
has no right to change our data :-)

Ron Ferguson
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RE: [LegacyUG] V7.5.0.142 Web Page Creation

[M. Brenzel]

My apologies to the group!  That message was to Ken only and I hit “send” too 
quickly.



Please delete!



Mary



From: M. Brenzel [mailto:brenze...@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 7:03 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] V7.5.0.142 Web Page Creation



Ken,



I didn’t hear back from you but I thought I would send one of my files to you 
anyways.



Mary Brenzel



From: KenMcGinnis [mailto:kenmcgin...@legacyusers.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:17 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7.5.0.142 Web Page Creation



Can someone email me one of the original web page settings file for me to test 
with.

Thanks,



Ken McGinnis

Millennia Corporation

kenmcgin...@legacyfamilytree.com

http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

We are changing the world of genealogy!





  _

From: "Ron Ferguson" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 6:01 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7.5.0.142 Web Page Creation

Eric,

Thanks for copying Mark's post, however, as it was sent to the list I had
seen it. Like Mark I also am a Beta Tester, and first reported the problem
to the others. You can rest assured we will not let this one drop, Legacy
has no right to change our data :-)

Ron Ferguson
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Re: [LegacyUG] OCCUPATIONS LIST

[M. Brenzel]

There is no need to change the extension of the file to mdb.  I just 
right-click on the fdb file, select "Open with" and "Microsoft Access" .

Of course, before doing anything with your database outside of Legacy, make a 
backup copy!

Mary

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On Feb 10, 2012, at 5:37 AM, "Alan Pereira"  wrote:

> There is another way if you know how to use MSACCESS
> Change the fdb extension to mdb
> open in MSAccess
> Create the following query in sql view
>
> SELECT distinct tblER.Description FROM tblER WHERE (((tblER.IDET)=47));
>
> Display the results and copy paste into Excel as your master Occupations List
> Do not save the query
> close MSAccess
> Rename back from mdb to fdb
>
> Alan Pereira
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk]
> Sent: 09 February 2012 16:26
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] OCCUPATIONS LIST
>
> On 09/02/2012 13:21, cr brassfield wrote:
>> Is there some way I can create an 'Occupations' list.
>
> Try this, it works but the result might not be exactly how you'd like it.
>
> First, open the Event Definitions Master List, select Occupation and click 
> Show List.  Now click the Create Search List button and click Create New 
> List.  Click Close, then Close again and a message will appear asking if you 
> want to show the results.  Click OK and the list will appear as a Name List.
>
> Now click print and select the fields to appear on your Report.  You will 
> want at least Surname, Given names so check the box next to that and click 
> the Options button next to Optional Fields.  On the next screen, click one of 
> the buttons with 3 dots on next to a field you
> *don't* want and select Event from the resulting list.  Select Occupation 
> from the next list.  Click Close and then check the box next to Event: 
> Occupation.
>
> Nearly there!
>
> No click Preview and see if you are happy with the results.  You can make 
> some small alterations to the layout before printing if you want.
>
> --
> Jenny M Benson
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Trying to enter information that will result in readable reports

[M. Brenzel]

Once again, some of you are forgetting that the section on the Individual's 
form is Events/Facts.  The census itself wasn't an event for the person, but 
the person's being recorded on the census is a FACT.  Likewise, being mentioned 
in a newspaper article is a FACT, having an obituary published is a FACT.

Whether you choose to record a Census in that section or not is a personal 
choice.

Mary

On Feb 22, 2012, at 11:09 PM, Jerry  wrote:

> I think Ron is in the UK and it is about 5 in the morning there, I
> think, so you can probably expect him to answer later.  But I almost
> find it hysterical that a census is considered an event in someone's
> life, despite the fact that many professionals advocate for that.
> That's sort of like saying a newspaper is an event in someone's life
> because they might be mentioned in the newspaper, or an obituary is an
> event in someone's life because, certainly, they are mentioned in the
> obituary.  Clearly, they are sources, not events, and I prefer to use my
> Merriam-Webster roots to provide the correct definition.  LOL!
>
> But the other side is, that most users will definitely not want to wade
> through lots of information about their ancestors that most of us
> "genealogists" might even have some difficulty deciphering.  They want a
> brief synopsis that tells them the story and most of them, even me,
> detest wading through endless, not needed, information.  So, keep it
> simple, comes to mind, but I realize most of the ones who disagree on
> this issue are very smart people, just mis-informed about the dictionary
> definitions on this subject.
>
> Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org




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Re: [LegacyUG] Trying to enter information that will result in readable reports

[M. Brenzel]

Funny, but my response, so much like Jenny's below, was written and sent before 
I saw hers.

Mary

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On Feb 23, 2012, at 5:41 AM, Jenny M Benson  wrote:

> On 23/02/2012 04:09, Jerry wrote:
>>  But I almost
>> find it hysterical that a census is considered an event in someone's
>> life, despite the fact that many professionals advocate for that.
>> That's sort of like saying a newspaper is an event in someone's life
>> because they might be mentioned in the newspaper, or an obituary is an
>> event in someone's life because, certainly, they are mentioned in the
>> obituary.
>
> Let us not forget that the lower section of an Individual's Information
> screen is labelled Events/Facts.  The FACT that someone appeared on a
> Census or in a newspaper article or had an obituary written about them
> may perfectly reasonably be entered there *if anyone chooses to do so*.
>
> --
> Jenny M Benson



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RE: [LegacyUG] MRIN filing

[M. Brenzel]

I tried the MRIN filing system and found that I had too many empty folders 
taking up valuable filing space, waiting for me to fill them.  It wasn't long 
before I changed.

I do something very similar to Jenny except that I use file boxes instead of 
binders.  Each document is in an archival sheet protector with a label of my 
special code placed in the upper right.  This code is then added to the Source 
Citation as the File ID.

My digital copies are named with the File ID and stored in folders under 
D:\Genealogy\Documents, such as Census, Birth Records, Newspaper Articles, 
Obituaries, etc.

Mary

-Original Message-
From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk]
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 5:38 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MRIN filing

All the inconsistencies you point out are the very reason why I don't use the 
MRIN filing system.  There are so many reasons for a person not being married 
or not connected to their parents' marriage/partnership that it just seems a 
nonsense to me.

I keep all my paper records in binders according to the nature of the document 
- eg correspondence, press, certificates, web pages.  Within the binders each 
sheet (or set of pages) has a reference which is recorded in the appropriate 
field in the Source Citation.  Within each document each mention of the name of 
an individual in my family file is annotated in the margin with the UserID 
(which happens to be my family
code+RIN.)

I don't need to keep multiple copies of any document, I don't need ever to move 
documents from one binder to another and I can easily and swiftly track a 
document from Source Citation to binder or from binder to individual in Legacy.

--
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RE: [LegacyUG] Mendeley; Zotero? Using with Legacy?

[M. Brenzel]

Do you mean Genota 4 and Genota Forms 2, not Genforms?



Mary



From: Ken Veitch [mailto:mistyblu...@bigpond.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 2:48 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Mendeley; Zotero? Using with Legacy?



I have been using Genota 4 and Genforms 2 as two research tools for a while 
now.  Both programs will link to your Legacy data files which is very handy.



Genforms 2 allows you to enter data from your Birth, Death & Marriage records 
as well as many other types of official sources in a structured database that 
can be searched.  Very handy to see how often the same person (e.g. witnesses) 
are noted on statutory documents.



Genota 4 allows you to enter your research notes for a specific person or even 
a subject.  You can also link repository details where sources are held, link 
to scanned documents that are held on your computer and also establish links 
other members of your Legacy family tree.



Recommend you take a look – trial versions are available.



Ken






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[LegacyUG] Dates in CSV file

[M. Brenzel]

I have created a CSV file from the Name List containing Surname/Given Name,
Living Indicator, Birth Date, and Death Date.  When I look at the file in
Notepad, the dates look good.  But when I open it in Excel, some of the
dates are formatted differently than most of the others.

For example, the date 1 Sep 1913 in Legacy looks the same in Notepad but in
Excel, it is displayed as 1-Sep-13.  When I look at the table in Access
(tblIR), the dates look different than those that are correct.

Does anyone have an idea why the dates are "messed up" for some people but
not others?  And is there an easy way to fix them?

Thanks,
Mary








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RE: [LegacyUG] Dates in CSV file

[M. Brenzel]

I have Excel 2007.  Re-formatting the entire column is not an option, as dates 
that are year only (for example, 1965) get messed up.

Mary

-Original Message-
From: Jerry [mailto:jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 10:00 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Dates in CSV file

What version of Excel are you using?  The newest versions will alow you to 
format dates with 4 digits for the year.  Highlight or select the entire 
column, go to Format cells, select the number tab, select Date and then select 
the specific format you want.  I hope this helps.  Jerry

"M. Brenzel"  wrote:

>I have created a CSV file from the Name List containing Surname/Given
>Name, Living Indicator, Birth Date, and Death Date.  When I look at the
>file in Notepad, the dates look good.  But when I open it in Excel,
>some of the dates are formatted differently than most of the others.
>
>For example, the date 1 Sep 1913 in Legacy looks the same in Notepad
>but in Excel, it is displayed as 1-Sep-13.  When I look at the table in
>Access (tblIR), the dates look different than those that are correct.
>
>Does anyone have an idea why the dates are "messed up" for some people
>but not others?  And is there an easy way to fix them?
>
>Thanks,
>Mary
>





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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates in CSV file

[M. Brenzel]

I won't be able to try it until later tonight.  But I can tell you that it 
appears to only affect full dates after 1 Dec 1900.  Dates in the 20th and 21st 
centuries seem to be affected if the full date has been entered.  Any dates 
prior to that are captured correctly in the CSV file and therefore, open 
correctly in Excel.

For example, 19 Jul 1905 is displayed in Legacy with the BirthD field in tblIR 
=  0019071905 and BirthSD = 19050719.  The CSV file shows it as 
19-Jul-05 and when opened in Excel, the fx displays it as 7/19/2005.

Mary

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On Feb 28, 2012, at 2:02 PM, Jenny M Benson  wrote:

> On 28/02/2012 17:28, brenze...@roadrunner.com wrote:
>> I'm hoping that someone can tell me why some of the dates in Legacy
>> are coming into the CSV file in format "dd-mmm-yy" (1-Sep-13) while
>> others are "dd mmm " (1 Sep 1913).  It is from there that they
>> are displayed incorrectly in Excel.
>>
>> All of the dates in Legacy look to be formatted the same.
>
> I may be quite wrong about this, but I have an idea that Legacy will
> accept dates input in any of several formats, but displays them in the
> format chosen by the user.
>
> If this is the case, I think dates will be exported to the CSV file in
> the format they were entered, not in the format they were displayed.
>
> You could test this by entering a couple of dates in different formats
> and then export them and seeing how they look in Excel.  I haven't time
> to do that myself at the moment.
>
> --
> Jenny M Benson



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RE: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 Fields

[M. Brenzel]

If you sort your location list right to left, they will sort properly, even 
with different numbers of fields.



Mary



From: John Magyari [mailto:jmagy...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 8:08 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 Fields



Thanks for everyone's ideas.
Some of my Polish time periods use 4 some 5 positions

I decided to force all 5 location positions into 4.  Having same number of 
fields helps with sorting.

Ideally if would be nice to specify Number of locations field MAX.  Then if 
entered with less fields specify which fields to become null.
ie. MaxPositions = 5,  LessPositionOrder if less 2,3if less than MAX
ie For Me for Poland
city, administration, county, state, country (1,2,3,4,5)
If less fields entered enter Nulls
city, county, state, country (Null 1 field - admin)
city, state, country (Null other 2 fields -admin, county)
city, state (Null other 3 fields)
state (Null other 4 fields)


I will use 4 fields, and in the process converted all locations with fewer 
positions to 4 position system.

john







On 3/11/2012 4:04 AM, Ron Ferguson wrote:

John,

Â

By all means use the American four field standard for American locations, but 
for other countries use their own formats, normally the way in which they are 
written.

Â

Ron Ferguson

http://www.fergys.co.uk/

Â

Â

From: John Magyari 

Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 7:35 PM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 Fields

Â

Typically for US locations i have 4 FIELDS
City, County, State, Country

How do others handle European Countries?

For example I have a village in Poland Area

1900's part of Austria Hungary

Village, District, Province, Country 4 FIELDS
Lipowiec, Sanok District, Galicia Province, Austria-Hungary

Same place in 1940's 4 FIELDS
Lipowiec, Sanok District, Krosno Voivodeship, Poland

Almost all places in Current Day Poland 1950's through today *5 FIELDS
City, Gmina, County, Voivodeship, COUNTRY
Lipowiec, Dukla Gmina, Krosno County  , 
Subcarpathian Voivodeship  , Poland

and since 2012 *5 Fields
Lipowiec, Jasliska Gmina, Krosno County  , 
Subcarpathian Voivodeship  , Poland

When some locations ideally be 5 FIELDS, do you go back and update those with 4 
Fields?

With some having 4 some having 5 it's also harder sorting and then viewing 
similar towns over time periods.

thanks,
john magyari



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RE: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 Fields

[M. Brenzel]

It doesn't matter how many fields you have in your locations.  Sorting right to 
left puts the largest entity first, whatever that may be.

I believe that your location examples below somehow got messed up in your 
message.  You have multiple occurrences of Michigan and United States in your 
locations.

Sorting what I believe you have below from right to left would be as follows:

England, London, 195 Sunset Blvd., Roosevelt Cemetery
United States, Michigan, Detroit
United States, Michigan, Wayne County, Detroit
United States, Michigan, Wayne County, Detroit, 123 Apple Street

I don't know why you would have Detroit listed twice, once with Wayne County 
and once without it.

But sorting this way, all of the locations in Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan, 
United States (with or without street numbers and names, cemetery names, or 
anything else) will appear together in the Location List.

It's really a very easy concept.  Try it!  You might like it!  You can always 
change it back if you don't like it.  Keep in mind, this sorting is just for 
the display of the Master Location List, not how the locations are displayed in 
context.

Mary

-Original Message-
From: Jerry [mailto:jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 5:57 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 Fields

I'm trying to understand that thinking, Mary.  But how could that work if, for 
example, you had the following?

Detroit, Michigan, United States
Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan, United States Michigan, United States
123 Apple Street, Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan, United States Wayne County, 
Michigan, United States Roosevelt Cemetery, 195 Sunset Blvd, London, England

You would be ok with United States and England as COUNTRIES, but then moving 
left, it looks like you would have dissimilar entities together like:

SECOND DIVISION FROM RIGHT:
Michigan
Michigan
Michigan
Michigan
Michigan
London

THIRD DIVISION FROM RIGHT:
Detroit
Wayne County
(blank)
Wayne County
Wayne County
195 Sunset Blvd

FOURTH DIVISION FROM RIGHT:
(blank)
Detroit
(blank)
Detroit
Roosevelt Cemetery

FIFTH DIVISION FROM RIGHT:
(blank)
(blank)
(blank)
123 Apple Street
(blank)

So, what part of this am I not understanding, if so?

Thanks,
Jerry Boor - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org

On 03/11/2012 11:56 AM, M. Brenzel wrote:
> If you sort your location list right to left, they will sort properly,
> even with different numbers of fields.
>
> Mary
>
> *From:*John Magyari [mailto:jmagy...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 11, 2012 8:08 AM
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields
> vs 4 Fields
>
> Thanks for everyone's ideas.
> Some of my Polish time periods use 4 some 5 positions
>
> I decided to force all 5 location positions into 4. Having same
> number of fields helps with sorting.
>
> Ideally if would be nice to specify Number of locations field MAX.Â
> Then if entered with less fields specify which fields to become null.
> ie. MaxPositions = 5, LessPositionOrder if less 2,3if less than MAX
> ie For Me for Poland city, administration, county, state, country
> (1,2,3,4,5) If less fields entered enter Nulls city, county, state,
> country (Null 1 field - admin) city, state, country (Null other 2
> fields -admin, county) city, state (Null other 3 fields) state (Null
> other 4 fields)
>
>
> I will use 4 fields, and in the process converted all locations with
> fewer positions to 4 position system.
>
> john
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 3/11/2012 4:04 AM, Ron Ferguson wrote:
>
> John,
>
> Â
>
> By all means use the American four field standard for American
> locations, but for other countries use their own formats, normally the
> way in which they are written.
>
> Â
>
> Ron Ferguson
>
> http://www.fergys.co.uk/
>
> Â
>
> Â
>
> *From:*John Magyari <mailto:jmagy...@gmail.com>
>
> *Sent:*Thursday, March 08, 2012 7:35 PM
>
> *To:*LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com>
>
> *Subject:*[LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4
> Fields
>
> Â
>
> Typically for US locations i have 4 FIELDS City, County, State,
> Country
>
> How do others handle European Countries?
>
> For example I have a village in Poland Area
>
> 1900's part of Austria Hungary
>
> Village, District, Province, Country 4 FIELDS Lipowiec, Sanok
> District, Galicia Province, Austria-Hungary
>
> Same place in 1940's 4 FIELDS
> Lipowiec, Sanok District, Krosno Voivodeship, Poland
>
> Almost all places in Current Day Poland 1950's through today *5
> FIELDS City, Gmina, County, Voi

RE: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 Fields

[M. Brenzel]

Jerry,

There is NO "standard" that would work for all of us for all locations.  It is 
a Master Location List for all locations to be listed together.  Perhaps you 
would like Millennia to provide a "3-field Master Location List", a "4-field 
Master Location List", a "5-field Master Location List", etc.  What would you 
do then if you have a location that is only the county, state, and country (if 
in the United States) and then you find out the town?  Delete the 3-field 
location and create a new 4-field location?  With one Master Location List, you 
would modify the existing one to now include a 4th field for the town.

I don't believe that it is necessary to force any location into 4 fields or any 
specific number of fields.  Using the Master Location List for all locations in 
any country as it is works.  Perhaps it would serve every one of us better if 
there was no more reference to 4 fields in the Location List.  If it is in the 
Help file or online tutorials, I would suggest that it be removed.  This topic 
has been the subject of more discussions on this list than any other.  Jerry, 
you and I have had similar discussions about locations before.

I have locations ranging from 1 field (Canada) up to 7 fields (Saint Clement 
Church, 8155, Ritter Avenue, Center Line, Macomb County, Michigan, United 
States).  Now, I'm sure that some people will ask about the "8155" as a 
separate field.  We've already gone down that road before and that discussion 
can be found in the archives.

But as I have said many times before, if you want to force locations in Europe 
or anywhere else in the world into the so-called "standard" of 4 fields, by all 
means, go right ahead.  With Legacy's flexibility, you can do whatever you want 
with your location list.

Mary

-Original Message-
From: Jerry [mailto:jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 6:55 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 Fields

Hi Ron.  I guess it will never be settled unless they come up with some kind of 
standard that works for all of us.  To me it is ugly to have dis-similar 
entities sort with each other, but I was hopeful that someone who uses the 
right to left method would tell me how I could still sort correctly and use the 
varied system.  As far as I can tell, it is not possible, so I can very easily 
live with the extra commas to create the kind of "like" sorting that I am 
committed to seeing.

Forcing Europe into the "standard" four positions - simply works and works 
well.  I'm sorry you are offended by it.  For Europe, for example, I never have 
a division immediately next to England, for example, because I know you never 
use STATES or PROVINCES and I have reserved the THIRD division from the left 
for STATES or PROVINCES.

Like I say, it simply works and I haven't seen anything that works better, but 
if you could show me how, I would change.  Sorry, I'm just going to let it rest 
unless a new person asks the question again and then I'll try to contact them 
off-line.

Jerry Boor - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org

On 03/11/2012 06:20 PM, Ron Ferguson wrote:
> Jerry,
>
> If a blank between two commas doesn't signify that something is
> missing, then it signifies nothing at all. In which case, as you say,
> it is simply there to force a correct location into an incorrect
> location just to make something look pretty. Frankly I find such
> constructs both confusing to those unfamiliar with the location, and
> anything but pretty - I think that they are ugly.
>
> Ron Ferguson
> http://www.fergys.co.uk/
>
> Ron Ferguson
> http://www.fergys.co.uk/
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jerry
> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 9:31 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields
> vs 4 Fields
>
> I don't agree that just because you have a space between two commas,
> it has to imply that something is missing.  Sure it can be, but for
> those of us who want a very organized approach, it just makes sense
> because it does allow one to sort by the various divisions, whenever they 
> apply.
>
> If you can truly do that with a right to left sort without regard to
> how many divisions are used, can someone provide some concrete
> examples on a website or a snippet of your Legacy code off-line or
> something?  I really don't mean to be hard-headed on this, but I've so
> far not seen sorting work so well without the standard divisions.
>
> Jerry Boor - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org
>
> On 03/11/2012 08:52 AM, Jenny M Benson wrote:
>> On 11/03/2012 12:07, John Magyari wrote:
>>> Thanks for everyone's ideas.
>>> Some of my Polish time periods use 4 some 5 positions
>>>
>>> I decided to force all 5 location positions into 4.Â
>>> Having same number of fields helps with sorting.
>>>
>>> Ideally if would be nice to specify Number of locations field
>>> MAX. Then if entered

RE: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 Fields

[M. Brenzel]

Very impressive site.  Please don't take my question/comment as an insult to 
your research or website.

I have one question.  Not all places in your lists have 4 fields with commas in 
place of missing fields.  Why is that?

I also have one comment.  I don't think there is anything odder than to see 
multiple commas next to each other in your list of places.  Seeing "Adams, , 
New York, USA" instead of "Adams, Jefferson County, New York, USA" is an 
indication of incomplete research.  It is so easy to find which county a 
town/village/city is in, especially with the Internet.

Mary

-Original Message-
From: Jerry [mailto:jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 7:57 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 Fields

Hi again Mary.  I think you are misunderstanding the whole sorting system in 
terms of how most websites do the sorting.  It is not simply a matter of 
whether you go from the left to right or right to left, it is how the sorting 
schemes deal with each division.  If you want to see where I'm coming from, I 
welcome you to go to our website at http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org (enter 
FullGuest as username and merriam as password).  Then go to the Places menu 
where you will that when you click on COUNTRY, then you next can see all the 
STATES and PROVINCES together in a list, then drill down to COUNTIES, and then 
to CITIES.  This is the way most websites are set up to do sorting and you 
can't do that without regard to how many divisions you use.  I hope you will go 
take a look and then I think you will know exactly where I'm coming from, even 
if you don't think it is necessary.

Regards,
Jerry Boor - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org

On 03/11/2012 07:31 PM, M. Brenzel wrote:
> It doesn't matter how many fields you have in your locations.  Sorting right 
> to left puts the largest entity first, whatever that may be.
>
> I believe that your location examples below somehow got messed up in your 
> message.  You have multiple occurrences of Michigan and United States in your 
> locations.
>
> Sorting what I believe you have below from right to left would be as follows:
>
> England, London, 195 Sunset Blvd., Roosevelt Cemetery United States,
> Michigan, Detroit United States, Michigan, Wayne County, Detroit
> United States, Michigan, Wayne County, Detroit, 123 Apple Street
>
> I don't know why you would have Detroit listed twice, once with Wayne County 
> and once without it.
>
> But sorting this way, all of the locations in Detroit, Wayne County, 
> Michigan, United States (with or without street numbers and names, cemetery 
> names, or anything else) will appear together in the Location List.
>
> It's really a very easy concept.  Try it!  You might like it!  You can always 
> change it back if you don't like it.  Keep in mind, this sorting is just for 
> the display of the Master Location List, not how the locations are displayed 
> in context.
>
> Mary
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jerry [mailto:jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 5:57 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields
> vs 4 Fields
>
> I'm trying to understand that thinking, Mary.  But how could that work if, 
> for example, you had the following?
>
> Detroit, Michigan, United States
> Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan, United States Michigan, United States
> 123 Apple Street, Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan, United States Wayne
> County, Michigan, United States Roosevelt Cemetery, 195 Sunset Blvd,
> London, England
>
> You would be ok with United States and England as COUNTRIES, but then moving 
> left, it looks like you would have dissimilar entities together like:
>
> SECOND DIVISION FROM RIGHT:
> Michigan
> Michigan
> Michigan
> Michigan
> Michigan
> London
>
> THIRD DIVISION FROM RIGHT:
> Detroit
> Wayne County
> (blank)
> Wayne County
> Wayne County
> 195 Sunset Blvd
>
> FOURTH DIVISION FROM RIGHT:
> (blank)
> Detroit
> (blank)
> Detroit
> Roosevelt Cemetery
>
> FIFTH DIVISION FROM RIGHT:
> (blank)
> (blank)
> (blank)
> 123 Apple Street
> (blank)
>
> So, what part of this am I not understanding, if so?
>
> Thanks,
> Jerry Boor - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org
>
> On 03/11/2012 11:56 AM, M. Brenzel wrote:
>> If you sort your location list right to left, they will sort
>> properly, even with different numbers of fields.
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> *From:*John Magyari [mailto:jmagy...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 11, 2012 8:08 AM
>> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>

Re: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed

[M. Brenzel]

According to the release notes from 12 Feb 2012, this happens when using Geo 
Location database when creating a new location.  With the way the complaints 
were flying in here, you'd think that all of the existing locations were being 
changed.

Mary

On Mar 13, 2012, at 8:37 AM, "Paul Gray"  wrote:

> But, did Millennia change anybody's master locations? From what I hear, they 
> changed a system default used when you are adding a new location!
>
> And, back then did you have any choice between USA and United States, or is 
> it that you who are complaining just liked the old default better?
>
> To suggest that changing a default used when adding a NEW location is 
> changing your data seems to be overstating the case. A system default is not 
> anyone's data.
>
> Paul
>>
>> On 2012/03/13 02:31, Vivian Gullickson White wrote:
>>
>>> Well, if you read the Revision History for 12 Feb 2012 before you
>>> upgraded it tells you:
>>> http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/RevisionHistory7.asp
>>>
>>>
>>> Changed Items
>>>
>>> Geo Location Database - It will now return "United States" instead of
>>> "USA" when selecting a location from the USA.




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RE: [LegacyUG] Problem with Families app and iOS 5.1

[M. Brenzel]

So upgrade your Families App (no charge for updates from Android Market or 
Apple Store) and you'll be fine!


-Original Message-
From: PM [mailto:dign...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 12:46 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Problem with Families app and iOS 5.1

This has happened to me, too!
So now I have a$15. Family App that won't do anything! The trimming is awful as 
my uncle is visiting and This was going to help us discuss ourfamilyhistory.

PM

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> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Problem with Families app and iOS 5.1
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
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> user group when you are able to resolve this problem?
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at
> 9:14 AM, Malcolm Green 
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>
>
> A couple of users have reported that, after updating their iPad or
> iPhone to the latest version, iOS 5.1, Families exits when attempting
> to access a family file.  We are investigating this, but recommend
> that you postpone updating your device until this problem is resolved.
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RE: [LegacyUG] Examples of marriage events?

[M. Brenzel]

I add a Marriage event for the official witnesses to the marriage.

Mary

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Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 3:46 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Examples of marriage events?

Anything related to the marriage and/or couple. Honeymoon would be a good one 
. Until the programmers can add the Marriage Picture to reports, you could 
create an event for the wedding picture you wnat to include on reports or web 
pages.

Also, you can use the Marriage Events to record Marriage Banns, license, 
notice, pre-nups or other contract, residences of the couple, alt. marriage 
dates or locations (when you find a conflict - don't forget to create a To-Do 
to search for the correct info)

You could also include any separation information if the marriage fails - 
divorce, etc.



Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree







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RE: [LegacyUG] Examples of marriage events?

[M. Brenzel]

It’s just what I have decided to do.  There are probably no advantages or 
disadvantages to doing either one.



From: Paula Ryburn [mailto:paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 11:55 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Examples of marriage events?



I had been adding that in the Marriage Notes -- what are the advantages to 
having Witnesses in an Event instead?


--Paula





  _

From: M. Brenzel 
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Tue, March 20, 2012 8:15:00 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Examples of marriage events?

I add a Marriage event for the official witnesses to the marriage.

Mary









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RE: [LegacyUG] Examples of marriage events?

[M. Brenzel]

I also create a Witness Event if the individuals are in my family file.  
Likewise, I do the same for godparents.

Mary

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Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 1:13 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Examples of marriage events?


Paula Ryburn wrote:
> I had been adding that in the Marriage Notes -- what are the
> advantages to having Witnesses in an Event instead?

I mention the Witnesses in Marriage Notes, but if they are Individuals in my 
family file I create a Witness Event in their own record.

--
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RE: [LegacyUG] subscribe issue

[M. Brenzel]

Cheryl,

Your email address was hacked.  A spam message was sent to LUG.

Mary

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I was unsubscribed -- don't know why?




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RE: [LegacyUG] Family GS & Indiv report come up blank after adding source to event

[M. Brenzel]

I had saved report settings which no longer work.  The Individual and FG 
reports only look right if I use the Reset.  I haven’t tried re-doing my 
settings to see if they work again.



Mary



From: Paula Ryburn [mailto:paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 6:55 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Family GS & Indiv report come up blank after adding 
source to event



Sherry,

Just so someone there knows, although clicking Reset often fixes the problem, 
it is time-consuming to then put everything back the way you had finally had it 
set "perfectly" - if you know what I mean.  At some point, the answer "click 
Reset" is not going to result in customer satisfaction - especially after a 
comment like "several of the reports in this build have formatting problems."  
Yikes!  After all, we are not doing anything differently; Legacy is.  Just 
sayin'.



Don't get me wrong:  I love the product!!!


--Paula






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RE: [LegacyUG] Entering Canadian Locations - Changing boundaries?

[M. Brenzel]

Brian,

Canada locations are the next ones for me to straighten out and name properly 
as they were when the events happened.  What a confusing history that area has!

I believe that the 2 colonies before 1841 that you referred to were Upper 
Canada and Lower Canada.

Mary

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Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 6:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering Canadian Locations - Changing boundaries?

Peggy,

Canada West and Canada East were the names used in Colonial Canada from about 
1841 until Confederation in 1867 when the separate Colonies of Canada, Nova 
Scotia, New Brunswick and Prince Edward Island combined into modern Canada. 
Before 1841 there were two separate colonies (do not remember what they were 
called). In 1841 the French and English colonies were combined into one colony 
called Canada. Canada West was the name given to the English colony in what is 
now the province of Ontario, Canada East was the former French Colony in what 
is now the Province of Quebec.

The province of Ontario is divided into counties for local government purposes 
and the Grey you mention is one of the counties. It has now been combined and 
the present county is called Grey and Simcoe. The area is North of the City of 
Toronto. Not sure when Grey North existed, if it ever did as a separate county. 
Within the counties are smaller subdivisions called townships perhaps Grey 
North is a township name.

Brian
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RE: [LegacyUG] Entering Canadian Locations - Changing boundaries?

[M. Brenzel]

I believe that Ancestry.com uses locations as they are in the present.



From: Marg Strong [mailto:tiny...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 7:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering Canadian Locations - Changing boundaries?



I am wondering from your note, Mary, if the location in the source and source 
detail on ancestry.com use the place it would have been or is now? If they 
haven't used the original location it will make it all that much more difficult.




  _


From: M. Brenzel 
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 6:56 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Entering Canadian Locations - Changing boundaries?


Brian,

Canada locations are the next ones for me to straighten out and name properly 
as they were when the events happened.  What a confusing history that area has!

I believe that the 2 colonies before 1841 that you referred to were Upper 
Canada and Lower Canada.

Mary

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Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 6:09 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering Canadian Locations - Changing boundaries?

Peggy,

Canada West and Canada East were the names used in Colonial Canada from about 
1841 until Confederation in 1867 when the separate Colonies of Canada, Nova 
Scotia, New Brunswick and Prince Edward Island combined into modern Canada. 
Before 1841 there were two separate colonies (do not remember what they were 
called). In 1841 the French and English colonies were combined into one colony 
called Canada. Canada West was the name given to the English colony in what is 
now the province of Ontario, Canada East was the former French Colony in what 
is now the Province of Quebec.

The province of Ontario is divided into counties for local government purposes 
and the Grey you mention is one of the counties. It has now been combined and 
the present county is called Grey and Simcoe. The area is North of the City of 
Toronto. Not sure when Grey North existed, if it ever did as a separate county. 
Within the counties are smaller subdivisions called townships perhaps Grey 
North is a township name.

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
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Re: [LegacyUG] To-Do Tasks

[M. Brenzel]

Perhaps what are showing for the Individual To-Do's are just the open ones but 
closed ones are also showing for All.

Mary

Sent from my iPad

On May 25, 2012, at 12:38 AM, "Jan Roberts"  wrote:

> I can see exactly what you are getting at – so explained very clearly – sadly 
> I can’t help you with an answer.
>
> Cheers
> Jan
> From: unique64 Riley [mailto:uniqu...@msn.com]
> Sent: Friday, 25 May 2012 14:04
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] To-Do Tasks
>
> Yes, I understand that, but how are the other 6 tasks categorized?  It seems 
> there are only 2 sub-categories of "All To-Do's"; the General (5) and the 
> Individual (5), which I would think that the sum of these should equal the 
> "All" (16), but 5 + 5 obviously doesn't equal 16.
>
> I don't know if I am explaining myself well.
>
> Monique



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RE: [LegacyUG] Photo Naming Tip

[M. Brenzel]

What do you do when the photo has more than 1 person in it?

Mary

-Original Message-
From: James Cook [mailto:jc1...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 2:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Photo Naming Tip

I like my file names to include both who and what.
JohnJones1879_Death.jpg
JohnJones1879_Obit.jpg
JohnJones1879_WWII.jpg
JohnJones1879_SusieSmith1883_Marriage.jpg
JohnJones1879_SusieSmith1883_Marriage_02.jpg
JohnJones1879_MaryMoore1880_Marriage.jpg

I also use folders to help with organization, so last name first isn't a need 
for me.  I don't always include the birth year, but find it helpful when I have 
several people with the same name.

--
James Cook
GED Utils,  Ancestry Utils
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RE: [LegacyUG] Race

[M. Brenzel]

Michele,

As Jenny said, create a custom Fact/Event.  Please open the Individual's 
Information screen.  The heading for the section under Birth, Death, etc. is 
titled "Events/Facts".  You are right, Race and Etnicity are not Events but 
they are FACTS.

Mary

-Original Message-
From: Michele Lewis [mailto:ancestor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 3:12 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Race

I could make an event but that would be weird.  Your race isn't an event in 
your life.  For now I am just writing it in the notes so that I know to take 
race into consideration when I am searching for records.  Since census records 
always contain race I am surprised Legacy hasn't added a field for that.

Michele


-Original Message-
From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk]
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 2:38 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Race

On 05/07/2012 19:28, Michele Lewis wrote:
> I just realized there is no place in Legacy to record a person’s race
> (or is there?)  I just received a marriage license in the mail from
> Forrest County, MS on one of my relatives.  The marriage came from one
> of the “Colored” marriage books.  When I requested the marriage I had
> no idea that the man she married was black.  Lucky for me the clerk in
> Forrest County was smart enough to check the “Colored” books when she
> didn’t find the marriage in the white marriage book.  I looked for
> this man right away in the WWI draft cards and I did find him (listed
> as black). However, if I hadn’t done any more research on his for
> months I might have forgotten he was black and missed records
> discounted certain records because of race.
> If there isn’t a place to record race (if there is I couldn’t find it) it 
> would be nice if there was.

You could create a custom Fact/Event to cover this.

--
Jenny M Benson





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RE: [LegacyUG] creating passport pictures for Legacy

[M. Brenzel]

Bernhard,

Please - no attachments in emails to LUG.  And also, please trim your messages. 
 There are 5 copies of the Legacy links automatically added to each email.

Thanks much!
Mary

-Original Message-
From: Bernhard Scholz [mailto:scholz-c...@gmx.de]
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:20 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] creating passport pictures for Legacy

JL,

I have found what I was looking.

First I searched using the well known 'G' search engine in English using
'create passport picture'

The result poor.

Then I did a search in German using first
'passbild'
and then selected the suggested
'passbild generator'

Here I found the www.passbild-generator.de/

It's a pitty as it's at the moment only available in German.

Wow that's what I was looking for.

I tested it with the picture I talked about.
A size of 70mm x 115mm with 10 individuals.

Using a Canon LiDE 50 with grey-scale and 1200dpi.
The result was 6.5MB file. To reduce the size I resanned it with only 150dpi.

I can open eg '.jpg' or '.tif' files up to a size of over 8MB.
I can move around to search the pearson I want panning using my mouse.
I can magnify just using the scroll wheel.

The result can be seen in the 'test_01_Passbild.jpg'.
I needed less than 60 seconds to get the result I wanted and am aware of the 
quality but better a picture with a low quality than none at all.
Using other tools the quality could be improved a little bit but missing 
information can't be added.

I will donate a small fee, over 20 EUR, and recieved the lisence for the 
Pro-Version and that's even better.

Bernhard





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RE: [LegacyUG] Immigration vs Emigration events, clarification please

[M. Brenzel]

I would consider those to simply be “Travel”.  They weren’t emigrating back to 
their mother country to live, right?  They were just traveling to visit, 
probably family still there.  Emigration is what they did to the United States 
to begin with.



Mary



From: Lavern Hall [mailto:lavernh...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 1:48 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Immigration vs Emigration events, clarification please



Hello everyone,

I have a family where the husband and wife were both born in Europe,
immigrated to the US (at different times), married in the US and had
their family here. Over a 10 year period, this couple took their family back
and forth to Europe three times, so I have Passenger Lists for each
arrival back in the US.

I have entered an individual Immigration event for the husband and
for the wife that marking their first arrival.  What I am not clear on
is how the three other Passenger Lists should be entered. Are these
arrivals considered Immigration events also, or would they be classified

as Emigration Events? What is the difference?

Thanks,

Lavern Hall

Aurora, Ohio




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RE: [LegacyUG] unable to receive emails

[M. Brenzel]

John,

Please contact Support directly via the link provided at the bottom of every 
LUG email.  You should see it at the bottom of this one.

Mary

-Original Message-
From: Gen Searcher [mailto:gensearc...@sky.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 7:30 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] unable to receive emails

Hello Listers

I am subscribed to this list but do not get any emails from it
I have tried many times in the last month and failed

The only way that I can read the emails is in the archives

Is it possible that Ken is on the list and could help me with this problem
John
in Stockport
England










































































































































































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RE: [LegacyUG] passwords

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Unless you've got a copy of your database from version 4, you'll get nowhere 
trying to open a current copy of your family file in an earlier version.

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RE: [LegacyUG] Master Sourcing Question

[M. Brenzel]

I never looked at Advanced Sourcing.  This sounds like a wonderful tool.  Thank 
you, Geoff!

Mary

-Original Message-
From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk]
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 7:56 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Sourcing Question

Genealogy wrote
>Why not use Advanced Sourcing... in the Tools menu? Make a tag list
>then it's easy to assign a source from the Source Clipboard to
>whichever field you like.

*Yet again* a LUGger introduces me to a facility I never before realised
was there!  Thanks, Geoff, I'm sure this one will be very useful.
--
Jenny M Benson



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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy terminology

[M. Brenzel]

Helen,

Just to add my two cents on the subject of location fields and Legacy
"terminology".  I live in the U.S. and I have chosen not to use the 4-field
format.  So you may think that it's a U.S. thing but it doesn't fit into
what I do with Legacy either.  Like Ron, I found that I can put the full
address into any location field to fully describe the location.  Sorting to
read from right to left is the trick!

Mary

-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 11:57 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy terminology

Helen,

No thank you! Legacy is already translated into different languages,
although by no means all, but they do include the UK and Australia. The
problems with locations in Legacy are actually nothing to do with the way in
which the Location field works, it is fine with all English address formats
when set to read from right to left. No the problem is with users, who
insist on using and advocating the 4 field format, and, if you like, the
Geo-location databases, which wrongly assume that all the world uses it.

Legacy produces an excellent manual on the use of the program, and there is
a book "The Legacy Family" written by Mike Lang and available from Legacy at
http://www.legacyfamilytreestore.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=5

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
--
From: 
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 3:38 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy terminology

> Connie, Two ideas for generating more $$ for Legacy.
>
> How about a Legacy UK, or Legacy Canada, or Legacy Australia & New
> Zealand (if the two can be lumped together), Legacy Latin America
> flavour? There could be differences in the methods of entering addresses
> and in the way of entering sources/citations, whatever.
>
> Legacy is far from alone in its American attitude toward writing
> software. In fact it's typical of most (PC) software today. But if it
> went "international", it would certainly set a great precedent and bring
> kudos to Legacy.
>
> Second idea is a hard cover manual. We don't have a television and
> videos, even if I could hear and watch them, aren't my learning style.
> Even a Legacy for Dummies would be a good start and I'd certainly buy
> one. Or "Best of LUG Archives" hard cover, grouped by general subject?
> I'd buy that one too.
>
> Helen
>
>
>





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RE: [LegacyUG] * Next to Name

[M. Brenzel]

The * indicated the preferred child.

Mary

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Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 6:28 PM
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Subject: [LegacyUG] * Next to Name

Can someone tell me what it means when there is an * preceding a child's
name in the family view? So far, I couldn't readily find it in the
help files.   Thanks,  --Jerry



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[LegacyUG] Windows PC with Legacy and iPad with Families

[M. Brenzel]

I am looking for someone who is using Legacy on a Windows PC and is syncing
it with Families on an iPad.  I'm using Legacy 7.4.0.45 on an HP laptop with
Vista and trying to decide whether I should get an iPad to assist with
remote work.  Is it worth it?

Please contact me directly at brenzelmf_at_roadrunner_dot_com.


Thanks much!
Mary




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RE: [LegacyUG] Windows PC with Legacy and iPad with Families

[M. Brenzel]

Thank you!  I will look into the user forum.

Mary


-Original Message-
From: Evert van Dijken [mailto:evandij...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 5:24 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Windows PC with Legacy and iPad with Families

There is a user Forum for Families: http://www.telgen.co.uk/families/forum/
Evert

2010/11/19 M. Brenzel :
> I am looking for someone who is using Legacy on a Windows PC and is syncing
> it with Families on an iPad. �I'm using Legacy 7.4.0.45 on an HP laptop with
> Vista and trying to decide whether I should get an iPad to assist with
> remote work. �Is it worth it?
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> Please contact me directly at brenzelmf_at_roadrunner_dot_com.
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> Thanks much!
> Mary
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Re: [LegacyUG] Problems changing to Windows 7

[M. Brenzel]

What do you do when you have a photo of multiple people?  Do you store multiple 
copies in multiple folders, one for each person?

In my opinion, that's is a waste of disk space.

Mary

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 30, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Wes  wrote:

>> Easy for you to say, Dennis, with all your multimedia in 1 or 2
>> directories. Mike, I believe has a multi-branching directory tree like
>> mine.
>> Also Mike has multimedia in a relative path through My Compuer which
>> is definitely not advisable. When he converted to Win 7 it changed the
>> relative path. He should move the true path using ltools.
>>
> I have been following this discussion with some interest.  I do not have
> as large a collection of images as some do, but have similar storage issues.
> I would like to be able to store images related to an individual within
> a directory for that person.  I have just started to move in this direction.
>
> My plan to use the LegacyPhotos directory as the main branch and then
> have each individual as a directory under that.
>
> In your opinion, is this a viable methodology going forward?  It would
> shure save disk space not have things copied in two or more places. Not
> to mention the ease of backup and retrieval.
>
> Thank in advance
>
> Wes
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Re: [LegacyUG] Timelines Problem--

[M. Brenzel]

You should submit this as an issue through the Legacy website.

Mary



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On Jan 9, 2011, at 9:45 AM, runolf...@aol.com wrote:

> I have a glitch in Timelines
>
> I open Legacy (7.4.0.45) >>> View >>> Timelines  >>> New >>> If I click on
> the red X at the top right  corner to close it the program freezes every
> time. If I click close it is fine.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill Runolfson
>
> In a message dated 1/9/2011 1:49:58 A.M. Pacific  Standard Time,
> evandij...@gmail.com writes:
> If you have the Deluxe edtition  you can go to View > Timelines and add New
> timelines.
> Evert
>
>
> 2011/1/9 Perk Bingham  
>
> Thanks Ellen,
>
> I guess what I'm looking  for are additional timeline files, some that
> would be a bit more specific such  as the wars that Finland fought against the
> Soviet Union (and lost all of them  (:>)) and the various battles in our own
> Revolutionary War.
>
> As I see  it the one in Finnish (Soumi) is only a listing of the leaders
> and presidents.  Failing finding a download, could one do the research as to
> the dates and make  and install their own?   I think it's only a text (.txt)
> file.
>
> Thanks again for the quick response,
>
> Perk  (:>)
> Washington State, USA
>
> Family History: Where every little step  backward means progress (:>)
>
> Researching:
> Clawson, Kibby, Ford,  Starek & Rohrer (in Ohio)
> And
> Black, Webb, Millar, & Nichol (in  Ontario & UK)
>
>
>
>
> On 1/8/2011 8:57 PM, kramer...@comcast.net  wrote:
> Perk, go to the Chronology View, click on Options.  At the  bottom of the
> first menu, click on the box for Select Background  Timelines.  You will
> probably find more timelines than you could think  of.
>
> God bless,
> Ellen
>
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> - Original Message -
> From:  "Perk Bingham" 
> To:  LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 8, 2011 11:38:55 PM
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Timelines to download
>
> Hello,
>
> Just  curious as to whether it is possible to add more timelines to Legasy
> and how it  is done.
>
> Also wondering if anyone knows of a site that has more of them  compiled
> for downloading?
>
> I'm particularly interested in ones from  Finnish, Swedish, (general & war
> history) and the various events in all of  the UK and the American
> Revolution.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Perk (:>)
> --
> Family History: Where every little step backward means progress  (:>)
>
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> Clawson, Kibby, Ford, Starek & Rohrer (in  Ohio)
> And
> Black, Webb, Millar, & Nichol (in Ontario & UK)
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RE: [LegacyUG] Picture Center

[M. Brenzel]

I tried this and it says that there are no matches, in either direction.  But 
it doesn't work for other JPG documents (images of censuses, etc.) either.  
Only for JPG files that are actually photos.  I don't know if this makes a 
difference or not but they are in different folders.

Mary

-Original Message-
From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 12:46 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Center

Mary,

See down toward the bottom right, the buttons "Next/Prev person using
this picture"?

Highlight the picture you want to search and click the arrows.  The
Name List and Attached Pictures list will jump to the instance where
that picture is being used.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree








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RE: [LegacyUG] Picture Center

[M. Brenzel]

Ah, I never knew that!  Just goes to show how much I use the Picture Center.  
Just thought I'd give it a try!.

Thanks much!

Mary

-Original Message-
From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk]
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 5:43 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Center

On 14/01/2011 01:51, M. Brenzel wrote:
> I tried this and it says that there are no matches, in either
> direction.  But it doesn't work for other JPG documents (images of
> censuses, etc.) either.  Only for JPG files that are actually photos.
> I don't know if this makes a difference or not but they are in
> different folders.

It's not the different folders that make a difference, but the fact that
they (the ones which are not showing the individual) are attached to
Sources and not to Individuals.

I'm not sure that there is an easy way to discover who a Source Picture
attached to other than to look at the picture itself if the filename
doesn't help.

--
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RE: [LegacyUG] Picture Center

[M. Brenzel]

Sherry,

Thanks for the added tip of using the Scrapbook.

Mary


-Original Message-
From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:00 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Center

Picture Center only links and locates pictures linked to the
individual and his or her events, not sources, locations, etc.

It also works only for pictures and not sound, video or document files.

It *will* show documents - census scans, etc - if they are saved in a
graphic format.

To find a full list of all pictures, sounds, videos and documents
linked anywhere in Legacy, go to View > Scrapbook and Select Print
Multimedia List.


Sincerely,
Sherry
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RE: [LegacyUG] Picture Center

[M. Brenzel]

Discontinue what service?  Are you looking to unsubscribe from this email list?

If so, please follow the link at the bottom of every one of the emails.

Mary


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Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 9:36 AM
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Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Picture Center

please discontune this service





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RE: [LegacyUG] Scrapbook Skipped Pictures

[M. Brenzel]

Jenny,

I had already tried that prior to using the Print Scrapbook function.  There 
are no issues with attached files.  They were all verified by the test.

Any other ideas?

Mary

-Original Message-
From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk]
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 9:57 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Scrapbook Skipped Pictures

On 15/01/2011 14:03, M. Brenzel wrote:
> I have looked in the Archives and Legacy Help but can’t find mention of
> a message I received when Printing a Scrapbook:
>
> There were xxx pictures skipped because they could not be found.
>
> Can someone clarify what this means?  How can I find these pictures and
> how can I correct this?
>
Go to Options>Locations>Test all multimedia paths.  Make sure the first
box is unticked (Unlink ...) and the second is ticked (Make a list ...).
Click Proceed.

The resulting list will tell you which pictures were missing, where
Legacy expected to find them and which individual they were originally
attached to.  (Sometimes they may have been attached to Sources linked
to an individual.)

You may have moved the pictures, renamed them or deleted them.


--
Jenny M Benson





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Re: [LegacyUG] Obituary as Event?

[M. Brenzel]

I think that if you look at "events" as really Event/Fact as they are labelled, 
you can see that an obituary can be a fact.  I have an Obituary fact, as well 
as a Newspaper Article fact.  Full text is transcribed with the source being 
the newspaper from which it was published.  Then I use the same source for 
other facts or events, such as the person's birth, marriage or death.

But as Ron said and many others before, Legacy is so flexible that it allows us 
to use it as it best works for each of us.

Mary

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 21, 2011, at 2:32 PM, Tim Rosenlof  wrote:

> Kathy,
>
> I think the 'Death' to be the 'Event', not the Obit. I'm thinking that
> is what you may have thought ? I include the Obit with the 'Death
> Event', as well as the funeral programs, mortuary...
>
> Criticism welcome,
> Tim R.
>
> On 2/21/2011 11:38 AM, Kathy Meyer wrote:
>> Just my personal process - I would treat an obituary like I do a
>> census because of the information included in it.  I create an event
>> and add all of the details from it, i.e., I would transcribe the
>> entire obituary. Then I would use the copy/paste event feature to add
>> it to everyone else it mentioned. Kathy
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Jerry > > wrote:
>>
>>Hello everyone.  I have a question about the use of obituaries.  Would
>>you ever use an obituary as an event, or would it always be a
>>source to
>>events?   I have a friend who wants to put information contained on
>>obituaries on our website, but it seems to me that historical notes,
>>citing the obituaries as sources, not events, would be better
>>procedure.   What is your take on this?   An example might be
>>something
>>simple like the obituary stated the person was an accountant.
>>I'm just
>>supposing because I haven't seen what she has yet.Thanks,  --Jerry
>>Boor / http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[LegacyUG] Master To-Do Locality List

[M. Brenzel]

I am re-thinking the way I've used the Locality List for To-Do items so I'm
attempting to clean it up.

I am unable to delete one of the locations in the list.  When I click on
"Show List", I am told that there are no records using that location.
However, when I attempt to delete it, I get a message with a Title of
"Category is Being Used" and the message says "Cannot delete this Category,
it is being used.  Would you like to view records that use it?"  Answering
yes to that message results in the same message that "No records were found
that used that locality."

I ran Check/Repair after this failed and tried it again with the same
results.

I am running Legacy 7.4.0.45.

Thanks!
Mary






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RE: [LegacyUG] Master To-Do Locality List

[M. Brenzel]

I just upgraded to the latest version.  That made no difference.

Mary

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Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 4:36 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master To-Do Locality List

On Sat, 5 Mar 2011 16:09:48 -0500, "M. Brenzel"
 wrote:

>I am running Legacy 7.4.0.45.

You might want to update to the latest version. Then let us know if the
problem is still there.










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RE: [LegacyUG] Master To-Do Locality List

[M. Brenzel]

I believe that I may have found a bug so I am doing further research using 
Access.  I have found that the To-Do Locality in question is actually in use 
but when I try to "Show List", it says that it is not.  In addition, the 
message displayed when I try to delete it refers to To-Do Category and not 
Locality.

I am gathering screenshots to send to Support.

Mary


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Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 11:27 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Master To-Do Locality List

I just upgraded to the latest version.  That made no difference.

Mary





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RE: [LegacyUG] Master To-Do Locality List

[M. Brenzel]

What I have are 2 separate bugs.  Each has been reported separately to Legacy 
online.

1.  I am unable to show the list of To-Do items using a particular Locality 
that is clearly being used (message says "No records").

2.  When attempting to delete this same Locality, the message pertaining to 
"Category in use" instead of "Locality in use" is displayed.

Thanks for your help, Dennis!

Mary


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From: Dennis M. Kowallek [mailto:kowal...@iglou.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 7:31 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master To-Do Locality List

On Sat, 5 Mar 2011 16:09:48 -0500, "M. Brenzel"
 wrote:

>I am unable to delete one of the locations in the list.  When I click on
>"Show List", I am told that there are no records using that location.
>However, when I attempt to delete it, I get a message with a Title of
>"Category is Being Used" and the message says "Cannot delete this Category,
>it is being used.  Would you like to view records that use it?"  Answering
>yes to that message results in the same message that "No records were found
>that used that locality."

Getting a window with Category in the title when you are attempting to
delete a Location does not make sense. Can you list each step in detail
so we can attempt to duplicate the problem?

--

Dennis Kowallek (LTools)
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools

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RE: [LegacyUG] All-In-One Family Tree

[M. Brenzel]

As someone who is employed in a software development team, I can tell you that 
in the real world, selection of programming priorities isn't always done "by 
popular demand".  Sometimes it is best to work on like-things together in order 
to have less of an impact on the finished product.

Mary

-Original Message-
From: James Cook [mailto:jc1...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 3:12 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] All-In-One Family Tree

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Sherry/Support
 wrote:
> Just send in an Enhancement Request from - link found on the Legacy
> Home tab in the Support section ("Suggest a new feature") or on our
> website www.LegacyFamilyTree.com > Help Center > Make a Suggestion.

Of course, it the only option we have.  But misses the entire point I
was making.


> "Priority" based on popular demand isn't always workable. Programming
> issues have to be taken into account by the programmers when
> evaluating new features.

If by "popular demand" you mean "our clients' top priority items" as I
did, then I disagree completely.  This is the #1 goal of agile
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RE: [LegacyUG] 2-way Events

[M. Brenzel]

I use the following events with sentences defined appropriately.  As always, 
this is what I have decided to do.  With Legacy's flexibility, you can do 
almost anything you want to fit your style of research and reporting.

Each of these is used to record if a person was someone's Godmother or 
Godfather.  This would be an Individual Event.
GODMOTHER
GODFATHER

Each of these is used to record a person's Godmother or Godfather.  This would 
be an Individual Event.
HER GODMOTHER
HER GODFATHER
HIS GODMOTHER
HIS GODFATHER

This is used to record a couple's Marriage Witnesses.  This would be a Marriage 
Event.
MARRIAGE WITNESSES

This is used to record if a person is the Marriage Witness at someone's 
wedding.  This would be an Individual Event.
MARRIAGE WITNESS

Mary

-Original Message-
From: Brett McL Robinson [mailto:b...@vodafone.co.nz]
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 7:57 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Cc: Jenny M Benson
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] 2-way Events

Hi Jenny

I create two "matching" events, with the event name indicating in
brackets if they are "done to" or "done by", and edit the wording so
that it is correct for each - in effect I have two separate events.

Cheers, Brett

B McL Robinson, Hamilton, New Zealand


On 11/06/2011 5:48 a.m., Jenny M Benson wrote:
> There are quite a few Events one might want to add to a person's record
> which can be either "done to" or "done by" and of course it makes a big
> difference in the Sentence structure.
>
> One example:  Godparents.  One might want to record that somebody's
> Godparents were Joe Bloggs and Fanny Adams, or one might want to record
> that Joe Bloggs was a Godparent of Jane Doe.
>
> Another example:  One might want to record that Joe Bloggs was granted
> Probate of Fanny Adams's Will, or one might to record that Fanny Adams's
> Will was Probated by Joe Bloggs.  (Sometimes the only Source I have is
> the National Probate Calendar, not details of the actual Will.)
>
> I'd be interested to know how other Luggers deal with this situation.
> Failing coming up with another Event Name which makes sense (which I
> haven't had much success with) it seems to me that the best way is to
> ignore Description (which I usually use for most Events) and put all the
> relevant information in the Event Notes so the wording can be varied
> according to circumstance.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Webinar today

[M. Brenzel]

Does anyone know if these webinars can be watched live on an iPad?

Mary

Sent from my iPad

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> Family's Story" by Lisa Alzo will begin at 2PM Eastern U.S. time. If you
> haven't yet registered, it is still open at
> www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/webinars.asp. We're giving away 5 door prizes
> today, should be exciting. Hope to see you all there,
>
> Geoff Rasmussen
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Re: [LegacyUG] Webinar today

[M. Brenzel]

iPad users can only access GoToMeeting sessions, not GoToWebinar or 
GoToTraining sessions.  I guess I'm out of luck.

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 29, 2011, at 12:03 PM, "Geoff Rasmussen"  wrote:

> Once at that site, you'll have to do a search for iPad (upper left), and 
> select the first result for the explanation.
>
> Geoff
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Geoff Rasmussen [mailto:ge...@legacyusers.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 8:42 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Webinar today
>
> Yes, see http://support.gotomeeting.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=5641 
> for more information. I think you download the "GoToMeeting" app from the 
> Apple App Store.
>
> Geoff
>
> -Original Message-
> From: M. Brenzel [mailto:brenze...@roadrunner.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 8:33 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Webinar today
>
> Does anyone know if these webinars can be watched live on an iPad?
>
> Mary
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 29, 2011, at 10:33 AM, "Geoff Rasmussen"  wrote:
>
>> Just a reminder that today's webinar, "Ready, Set, Write! Share Your
>> Family's Story" by Lisa Alzo will begin at 2PM Eastern U.S. time. If
>> you haven't yet registered, it is still open at
>> www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/webinars.asp. We're giving away 5 door prizes
>> today, should be exciting. Hope to see you all there,
>>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy Help files that are not very helpful!

[M. Brenzel]

All right, enough programmer bashing.



From: CE WOOD [mailto:wood...@msn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 6:39 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Help files that are not very helpful!



Then Technical Writers need to write the Help files, that is, if they are 
supposed to be helpful rather than frustrating!



Odd, though.  When beginning the study of programming, we are taught to begin 
at the beginning and give the precise steps needed to accomplish the task 
because computers know nothing they have not been told.  One would assume that 
programmers would be able to do this. if they are writing the Help files..



If Technical Writers compose the Help files, they need to imagine they are not 
familiar with the lingo and procedures.





CE

- Original Message -

From: Mike Fry 

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 3:13 PM

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Help files that are not very helpful!



On 2011/07/05 19:39, Cathy-0 wrote:

> I've got a major problem with how programmers write the (un)-Help files.  And
> the Legacy programmers are no exception.  I came across this example today.

That's because we're Programmers and not Technical Writers!

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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy Help files that are nt very helpful!

[M. Brenzel]

As an IT professional (quality assurance analyst), I can tell you that most 
programmers can't write material for the general user community.  They think on 
a different level and are too technical for the normal user.  For that reason, 
the QA team at my place of employment write all release notes and user 
documentation.  We also present all enhancements and new products to the user 
community.

So on that note, let's get back to Legacy and how it works!

Mary

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 1:03 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy Help files that are nt very helpful!

And you're correct about the need to read the entire topic.  The point I was 
trying to make is that the average user simply doesn't, and the writers need to 
take that reality into account.  When analysts and programmers design menus and 
screens and then write documentation and help files, they need to think like 
users.  Legacy is actually better than most applications when it comes to 
usability, and I'm impressed that at least some of the tech support people such 
as yourself actually use the program.

You mention consistency.  There should be consistency not only in help files, 
but throughout an application in the way functions and menus work.  There 
should be design standards.  This is one of my problems with Legacy.  But 
that's another discussion and I think we've beaten this poor dead horse enough.

Bob


-Original Message-
From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 11:35 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Help files that are nt very helpful!

All of the translation teams have translated the Help files into their
languages and frequently respond with comments about something that
doesn't sound right.  None of them have made mention of the location
of the feature being listed at the bottom as being inappropriate.  Nor
have any of the beta testers.

I reviewed Help files in other programs and there was no consistency
in how they presented where to find a feature.

I don't pretend to know the logic of the programmer who writes the
Help file, but I did let him know that there's a discussion on the LUG
list about this.

Sometimes "knowing how" entails reading the entire Help topic to learn
about the feature.

Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree



On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Cathy-0  wrote:
> Sherry,
>
> the information SHOULD be at the top of the page. There is a saying that
> "it's always easy when you know who."  Well, this is definitelty a case in
> point.
>
> Why isn't the information at the top of help page were it would be helpful?
> If I can't find how to locate the "Advanced Tagging window" why would I read
> through to the end of the instructions for using it to eventually --
> maybe -- find out how to locate it?
>
> Help files should be helpful.  They shouldn't be hiding information in
> places where the user isn't like to find it.
>
> When one programs a web site, there are useability tests which can be used
> to see if the objective for the web site is met and if readers can navigate
> the web pages easily.  Why can't there be some useability testing for help
> pages of software?  It wouldn't require any major expense.  All that is
> needed is to have someone follow verbatim  the instructionsof a help page to
> see if the help pages were truly helpful.
>
> Just my two cents.
>
> Cathy-0


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RE: [LegacyUG] I am stumped

[M. Brenzel]

Did you update to the latest version today and that's when this started?  If 
so, submit a problem report.  If not, submit a problem report. :)

Mary


-Original Message-
From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv [mailto:cranberryf...@cobridge.tv]
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 2:42 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] I am stumped

I am getting this potential problem:
Birth date after a Parent�s death date

I have looked at this so many times now until I am cross eyed.  I don�t know
if it is a glitch or what.

Bazzle Fountain
Born between 1895 and 16 Apr 1910
Died between 1895 and 16 Apr 1910

So he died BEFORE 16 Apr 1910


His parents...
William Nathaniel Fountain
Born 06 Sep 1875
Died 18 Nov 1922

Sarah Elizabeth Griffin
Born 18 May 1874
Died 30 Jul 1947

Why is Legacy telling me that Bazzle was born after one of his parents died?
I don�t get it.  I deleted Bazzle�s birth and death dates, ran a file
maintenance, ran the potential problems (and of course it was no longer
there).  Then I put his birth and death dates back in and now I have the
same potential problem again.

Now here is where it gets really weird.  Yesterday I had no potential
problems.  Today it shows up.  I haven�t manipulated any of the Fountain
data in at least a year before this.  That was why I was so surprised to see
a Fountain on the potential problems in the first place!

Michele



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RE: [LegacyUG] Name Variations

[M. Brenzel]

The Legacy Help Topic for Alternate Names begins as follows:

Many times you will find that a person's name is represented in more 
than one way.  Either the spelling of the name will differ in various sources 
or the name will be  completely different.  Sometimes names were changed when a 
person immigrated to a new country.  Sometimes names were recorded wrong 
because of misunderstandings or bad transcription.  Many people go by 
different names as they grow up, going from nickname to nickname.  All of these 
names should be recorded because you never know when  a variation will be used 
in a new source.

Legacy is flexible enough that people can use it in many different ways.  How 
we choose to use the features is up to each one of us.  I would never say to 
another user "you should NOT" do something unless what they plan to do would 
break something in the program.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Using "x" to exit/cancel - bug?

[M. Brenzel]

To all,

That is how Access has always worked.  It is a database app in which you can 
make updates or adds via a form or within a grid.  Once you leave the "field", 
the change has been saved.

Please everyone, clicking on the X will not cancel a change in an Access 
database unless it is to the view (layout).  This is expected and normal 
behavior for MS Access.

This is NOT a bug!

Mary

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:14 PM, "Sherry/Support"  
wrote:

> No - please double check this.
>
> Word, Excel, Powerpoint, etc gives you the "save" question when you exit.
>
> But in Access, when you make an edit and go to the next cell, then the
> change is saved and there's no need to click on save to retain that
> edit.
>
> Make an edit in Access without changing anything else - column width, sort, 
> etc.
>
> You will get *no* warning when you click on the "X" in the upper right
> corner to exit.
>
> But if you make changes to the *layout*, you'll get a prompt
>
> "Do you want to save changes to the layout of the table?"
>
> At least this is how Access 2010 worked for me when I tested this.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Sherry
> Technical Support
> Legacy Family Tree
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 9:49 AM, CE WOOD  wrote:
>
>> There are many places in Legacy where an edit or change is saved even if you
>> click Cancel before you exit the page on which you made the changes.
>>
>> But, more to the point:
>>  Legacy is based on Access;
>>  Access is an Microsoft Office program;
>>  Microsoft Office programs ALWAYS ask if you want to save your changes
>> whenever you click on the "x".
>>
>> That includes changes to any cells, columns, rows, etc.
>>
>>
>> CE
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RE: [LegacyUG] Using Source Clipboard

[M. Brenzel]

I believe that we've only heard from a handful of users who don't like this 
feature.  It clearly states in the pop-up Tool Tip which items the source will 
be added to.  Likewise, the Help topic also says "all events in the event list".

Let's not make changes to a feature just because a few people have struggled 
with understanding what it does.

Mary

-Original Message-
From: Jerry [mailto:jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 7:10 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using Source Clipboard

Since that 3-bar icon is not liked and not intuitive, why wouldn't the 
programmers consider changing it for a future update?  Sounds like other people 
will continue to have the same issue, whether new to Legacy or not.  Jerry  
/http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org

Sherry/Support  wrote:

>Note the information in the parentheses."(This also includes all
>events in the event list.)"
>
>That's not something I added to clarify the Help topic. This what's
>written *in* the Help topic.
>
>
>Sincerely,
>Sherry
>Technical Support
>Legacy Family Tree
>
>
>
>On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Jan Roberts  wrote:
>> I think the problem is the words "every field on the Information form" - 
>> what you can 'see' on that form are the primary, or vital, event fields of 
>> name, birth date and location, baptism date and location, death date and 
>> location and burial date and location (unless one has customised this view). 
>> �The additional events don't actually show the fields which can include 
>> description, date, location and notes - in fact in the case of multiple 
>> events you can't even see all of the events without scrolling. �They aren't 
>> "on the Information form" as such. �Other hidden fields are in the notes 
>> areas of the vital events - does the use of the three bar icon also add the 
>> source to the notes?
>> I have read the Help files to learn the difference between the single bar 
>> and three bars - just misunderstood the implications.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Jan
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, 27 July 2011 1:16
>> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using Source Clipboard
>>
>> The Help file states:
>>
>> "Or, you can click <3-bar icon pictured here> �to have Legacy
>> automatically assign the source to every field on the Information form
>> that is not blank. �(This also includes all events in the event
>> list.)"
>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Biological vs Natural

[M. Brenzel]

Was Biological a recent addition to the list?  I’ve used Natural but don’t 
recall seeing Biological until this morning.



Mary



From: Marc Scott [mailto:scottmw...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 8:44 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Biological vs Natural




M. Benzel

By definition biological and natural parents are the same. Legacy does provide 
at times  as many socio- and religious group lingo options as possible, such as 
Christening vs. Baptizing. Just depends on you're flavor which one you use.

Marc

--- On Sun, 8/28/11, M. Brenzel  wrote:


From: M. Brenzel 
Subject: [LegacyUG] Biological vs Natural
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Date: Sunday, August 28, 2011, 6:35 AM

All of this talk about relationships to parents got me looking at the list of 
choices.



First, can someone confirm what the list of choices are by default in Legacy?  
I don’t recall adding any to this list.



Second, can someone explain to me what the difference is between “Natural” and 
“Biological”?  In my mind, they are the same.



Thanks!

Mary





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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Name Filing System

[M. Brenzel]

Filing by document type eliminates the need for duplicate copies of both paper 
and digital documents. Using a generic file name also helps in that regard.  In 
other words, don't put any surnames or other specific details in the file name.

I have been doing that for years and have had no problems with my system.

Mary

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 31, 2011, at 10:56 AM, Paula Ryburn  wrote:

> Just re-read many posts in the archives, but still have one issue pertaining 
> to how to organize files in folders (digital or hard-copy).
>
> This question is for those of you who organize your folders by surname, not 
> by document type.
>
> How have you "filed" your census images/transcriptions/data?  I have cases 
> where not only do two brothers (same surname) live near enough to be on the 
> same page, but also where several families that are related (if not at the 
> time of that census, then later when one's son married another's daughter) 
> are on the same page (different surnames).
>
>
> Do you keep a copy of each in each family's folder?
>
>
>
> I'm about to start an "organization" project and would welcome your quick 
> input on this question.
>
>
> --Paula in Texas
> Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman 
> Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field 
> Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes 
> Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts 
> Roche Ryburn Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams
>
>
> From: "andersons...@comcast.net" 
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Cc: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Sent: Fri, July 22, 2011 10:32:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Name Filing System
>
> I use a combination of Alan's and Jacki's systems, but I add the date.  My 
> electronic file cabinet (Windows Explorer) has a folder for each surname and 
> under that a separate folder for each couple (think MRIN, but without using 
> the actual #, since I want to keep the family info together even with a 
> second marriage), such as folder for Joe and Jane (Jones) Smith, and a 
> separate folder for Steve and Sally (Brown)Smith, with maiden names in ( ).
>
> The files in each folder are listed by date ( mo dy),then name the 
> document pertains to, and what the document is, such as, 1879 04 01 Joe and 
> Jane (Jones) Smith-Marriage, or 1880 05 15 John Smith-Birth.
>
> When I open the folder for Joe and Jane (Jones) Smith I see, at a glance, the 
> history of the family.  No, this doesn't group the documents by person (all 
> of John's documents together, then all Sally's documents), but I can see: 
> (comments in ( ) are my narrative, not part of file name)
> 1885 01 01 Judith Smith-Birth
> 1885 03 01 Judith Smith-Death (daughter dies at 2 months of age)
> 1886 07 04 Steven Smith-Birth
> 1888 09 01 Judith Smith-Birth (birth of another daughter named Judith)
> 1890 12 15 Samuel Smith-Birth
> 1890 12 16 Samuel Smith-Death (child dies at 1 day old)
> 1890 12 20 Jane (Jones) Smith-Death (mother died after childbirth)
> 1892 01 12 Joe and Bertha (Johnson) Smith-MARRIAGE (father remarries, CAPS 
> bring your eye to a new marriage)
> 1892 12 02 Andrew Smith-Birth (child of Joe & Bertha, step-brother to Steven 
> and Judith)
>
> Opening this family's folder gives a quick look at what has happened and 
> where something I find might fit in the overall scope of things. I haven't 
> yet found where a father died and the mother remarried and had children with 
> the new husband - in my families the mother dies and father remarries.  If 
> the husband dies and wife remarries and has children with the new husband I 
> probably will add a new FOLDER for the new couple under the existing folder 
> in order to keep the family relationship intact, (and not make myself crazy).
>
> Perfect, maybe not.  However, after many different tries this is the approach 
> that works best for me.until I find something that works better!
>
> Faith
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jacki Richey" 
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 9:27:37 PM
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Source Name Filing System
>
>
> Alan, I use a similar system, but I put the person's last name first, then 
> first name, then middle initial, then the type of document.  That way all the 
> documents and photographs for the same person are together.  I find that more 
> useful than having documents of the same type together, such as all 
> obituaries together.
>
> When the document or photograph has a whole family, I use the name of the 
> head of household & add FAMILY.
>
> I scan as jpg files, but I see that you convert to pdf files.  Why is that?
>
> Thanks,
> Jacki
>
>
> > From: a...@ajsquared.us
> > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Name Filing System
> > Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 21:45:42 -0500
> >
> > Jerry,
> >
> > Please forgive me as I am a little 

Re: [LegacyUG] Source Name Filing System

[M. Brenzel]

When I attach a document to the source detail, I add a FileID that matches the 
file name without the file extension.

My system was presented a few years ago by Geoff. It should be in the Legacy 
News archives.

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 31, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Paula Ryburn  wrote:

> Thanks, Mary.  I've been wrestling with how to sort/file things, and I really 
> like doing it by surname, so I can see everything for each family (and it 
> matches the 'color' approach).  It seems my census data is the only thing 
> that doesn't always fall neatly into a particular family.  So, I'm not (yet) 
> willing to abandon a surname approach.
>
> Do you use a file ID or something to help you find it when you need it? Or do 
> you just look at things from within Legacy?
>
> (There is a very real possibility I am over-analyzing this! lol)
>
> --Paula in Texas
> Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman 
> Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field 
> Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes 
> Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts 
> Roche Ryburn Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams
>
>
> From: M. Brenzel 
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Sent: Wed, August 31, 2011 10:04:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Name Filing System
>
> Filing by document type eliminates the need for duplicate copies of both 
> paper and digital documents. Using a generic file name also helps in that 
> regard.  In other words, don't put any surnames or other specific details in 
> the file name.
>
> I have been doing that for years and have had no problems with my system.
>
> Mary
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 31, 2011, at 10:56 AM, Paula Ryburn  wrote:
>
>> Just re-read many posts in the archives, but still have one issue pertaining 
>> to how to organize files in folders (digital or hard-copy).
>>
>> This question is for those of you who organize your folders by surname, not 
>> by document type.
>>
>> How have you "filed" your census images/transcriptions/data?  I have cases 
>> where not only do two brothers (same surname) live near enough to be on the 
>> same page, but also where several families that are related (if not at the 
>> time of that census, then later when one's son married another's daughter) 
>> are on the same page (different surnames).
>>
>>
>> Do you keep a copy of each in each family's folder?
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm about to start an "organization" project and would welcome your quick 
>> input on this question.
>>
>>
>> --Paula in Texas
>> Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman 
>> Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field 
>> Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes 
>> Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts 
>> Roche Ryburn Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams
>>
>>
>>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Source Name Filing System

[M. Brenzel]

I do the same with photos, grouping digital images into folders based upon 
whether the subject is people, buildings, cemeteries, etc.  When the photo is 
attached, I add a FileID that matches the file name.  Doing this with photos 
allows me to have only 1 copy of a group photo that I can attach to each person 
in the photo.



Geoff may not have been recommending any one system over another that was 
presented by Legacy users but he did make them known to everyone else.



Mary



From: Paula Ryburn [mailto:paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 12:03 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Name Filing System



What about files (mainly photos) that are not sources?

Will look in News archives, thx.  Tho I suspect Geoff will not be recommending 
any filing structure that is outside of C:\Legacy   ;)


--Paula in Texas
Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman 
Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field 
Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle 
Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche 
Ryburn Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams





  _

From: M. Brenzel 
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Wed, August 31, 2011 10:19:23 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Name Filing System

When I attach a document to the source detail, I add a FileID that matches the 
file name without the file extension.



My system was presented a few years ago by Geoff. It should be in the Legacy 
News archives.



Sent from my iPad


On Aug 31, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Paula Ryburn  wrote:


Thanks, Mary.  I've been wrestling with how to sort/file things, and I really 
like doing it by surname, so I can see everything for each family (and it 
matches the 'color' approach).  It seems my census data is the only thing that 
doesn't always fall neatly into a particular family.  So, I'm not (yet) willing 
to abandon a surname approach.



Do you use a file ID or something to help you find it when you need it? Or do 
you just look at things from within Legacy?



(There is a very real possibility I am over-analyzing this! lol)



--Paula in Texas
Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman 
Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field 
Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle 
Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche 
Ryburn Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams






  _


From: M. Brenzel 
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Wed, August 31, 2011 10:04:18 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Name Filing System

Filing by document type eliminates the need for duplicate copies of both paper 
and digital documents. Using a generic file name also helps in that regard.  In 
other words, don't put any surnames or other specific details in the file name.



I have been doing that for years and have had no problems with my system.



Mary

Sent from my iPad


On Aug 31, 2011, at 10:56 AM, Paula Ryburn  wrote:

Just re-read many posts in the archives, but still have one issue pertaining to 
how to organize files in folders (digital or hard-copy).



This question is for those of you who organize your folders by surname, not by 
document type.



How have you "filed" your census images/transcriptions/data?  I have cases 
where not only do two brothers (same surname) live near enough to be on the 
same page, but also where several families that are related (if not at the time 
of that census, then later when one's son married another's daughter) are on 
the same page (different surnames).



Do you keep a copy of each in each family's folder?



I'm about to start an "organization" project and would welcome your quick input 
on this question.


--Paula in Texas
Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman 
Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field 
Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle 
Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche 
Ryburn Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams








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Re: [LegacyUG] Techie DOS question

[M. Brenzel]

Snagit is a wonderful tool which allows for capturing a scrolling window.

However, it's not free but well worth every penny.

Mary

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 1, 2011, at 8:31 AM, Mike Fry  wrote:

> On 2011/09/01 13:47, Gene Young wrote:
>> The simplest solution I have found is a free program called Greenshot.
>> It captures whatever area of the screen you desire and opens the image
>> in a built in editor which allows you to immediately annotate it then
>> save in jpeg, gif, png or bmp format.
>
> Yes. There are many tools like that. But they only capture the image of a 
> window
> or the screen. Information that has still to be scrolled into view is not 
> captured.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mike Fry
> Johannesburg
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[LegacyUG] Showing Short Location Names on Screens

[M. Brenzel]

I think that I have found a bug.  Either that or my interpretation of the 
effect is incorrect.

Has anyone else set the option for "Short Location Names on Screens" on the 
Customize View tab?  It isn't working the way that I thought it would.

As others do, I do not use the "4 field" format for locations.  My locations 
contain the full address including names of churches, cemeteries, etc.  Some 
users have suggested separating the number portion of a street address from the 
street name itself in order to improve sorting by keeping streets together.  I 
sort my location list right to left.

For example, I have the following set for 123 Main Street, City, County, State, 
Country:

Long name = 123, Main Street, City, County, State, Country
Short name = 123 Main Street, City, County, State, Country

I have done that but I don't like the way that it looks on the Legacy screens.

Family and Chronology views are good.  The short location name is displayed.

Individual's Information and Marriage Information screens show the long name in 
the vital info and events/facts sections.

I suspect that I still see the location long names because those screens allow 
for the selection of the location so it displays the long names, whereas the 
other screens are display only.




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RE: [LegacyUG] Showing Short Location Names on Screens

[M. Brenzel]

Ron,

Yes, that's how I have started to change them.  I wanted to experiment first so 
I updated only a handful of my locations.  Looking back in the Archives, I see 
a message from Jenny about this earlier today.  That’s what she said she is 
doing.

Can you provide an example of what you have for long and short names?

Thanks!
Mary

-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 5:23 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Showing Short Location Names on Screens

Mary,

Are you long name and short name examples correct? I only ask because it is
not the way I do it, not because there is anything particularly wrong with
it - just looks a bit strange to me!

The Help Files are clear that the long name will always be used on the
Information Screens - when you think about it, it has to be so, because that
is where the long name is entered.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: M. Brenzel
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 9:23 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Showing Short Location Names on Screens

I think that I have found a bug.  Either that or my interpretation of the
effect is incorrect.

Has anyone else set the option for "Short Location Names on Screens" on the
Customize View tab?  It isn't working the way that I thought it would.

As others do, I do not use the "4 field" format for locations.  My locations
contain the full address including names of churches, cemeteries, etc.  Some
users have suggested separating the number portion of a street address from
the street name itself in order to improve sorting by keeping streets
together.  I sort my location list right to left.

For example, I have the following set for 123 Main Street, City, County,
State, Country:

Long name = 123, Main Street, City, County, State, Country
Short name = 123 Main Street, City, County, State, Country

I have done that but I don't like the way that it looks on the Legacy
screens.

Family and Chronology views are good.  The short location name is displayed.

Individual's Information and Marriage Information screens show the long name
in the vital info and events/facts sections.

I suspect that I still see the location long names because those screens
allow for the selection of the location so it displays the long names,
whereas the other screens are display only.



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RE: [LegacyUG] Showing Short Location Names on Screens

[M. Brenzel]

Robert,

There is no need to remove the town/city or another parts for a cemetery or 
church.  You can have up to 9 "fields" in a location.

Mary


From: Robert E. Carneal [mailto:kentuckygenealog...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 9:14 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Showing Short Location Names on Screens

Two more examples:

For a cemetery, I will remove the town/city and do this:

Long:
Wrights Landing Cemetery, Johnson County, Kentucky, United States

Short:
Wrights Landing Cem., Ky

For a church, I follow the same thing:

Long:
Southland Methodist Church, Davidson County, Tennessee, United States

Short:
Southland Meth. Ch., Tenn.

And so on. If I sort in reverse (country, state, county, town/city), it keeps 
everything together.

Thanks.

Robert
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Robert E. Carneal 
 wrote:
Here are what I use for long and short names.

Long:
Miami, Miami-Dade County, Florida, United States

Short:
Miami, Fl.

Robert

On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 6:58 PM, M. Brenzel  wrote:
Ron,
Yes, that's how I have started to change them.  I wanted to experiment first so 
I updated only a handful of my locations.  Looking back in the Archives, I see 
a message from Jenny about this earlier today.  That’s what she said she is 
doing.




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RE: [LegacyUG] Showing Short Location Names on Screens

[M. Brenzel]

Ron,

I don’t understand how yours differs from mine.  I am going to assume that 
every house doesn’t have a house name.  What if you have a house number and 
street?  That’s my example.  How do you handle those?

Mary




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RE: [LegacyUG] Showing Short Location Names on Screens

[M. Brenzel]

Jenny,

Aren't you the one who said that you separate house number and street with a 
comma or am I confused?

Thanks!
Mary



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RE: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

[M. Brenzel]

Tony,

See below for my replies for each of your questions.

Mary


--If you record a birth location as "Smallville Hospital, 123, Small Street, 
Smallville, rest of location", what do you use the birth address field for?

I don't use the address fields for birth, death, burial, etc. as I don't like 
how they appear or don't appear in reports or webpages.  I do have about 60 
addresses in the master list set up for source repositories and to-do items.

--How do you handle a situation where ancestors living in the same house over 3 
censuses, are shown as "125 Cundy Street, Sheffield" on the first and third 
census, but "125 --Cundy Street, Nether Hallam" on the second one?

How could the location be the same for the 1st and 3rd censuses but not the 
2nd?  I can see it changing over time but not likely to change and then change 
back.

--Don't you have thousands of locations?  I have a small database (3300 
individuals and 850 marriages) but even just using town as my smallest entity I 
have almost 800  --locations.  If I split each location into individual 
addresses, it would probably triple the number of locations.

No, I don't have thousands of locations.  My database contains 2266 
individuals, 823 marriages and 711 locations.  Of those 711 locations, there 
are 59 in the city where I grew up.  Every address where someone lived, every 
church, every hospital, every cemetery is individually listed in my locations.

As Ron Ferguson (I think) stated, because this is a relational database, it can 
handle these locations quite easily.  Enter once and use many times if needed.

--Maybe I should revert to the old scheme again, but putting street addresses 
back into locations will take a Looong time.  What are the advantages?  Is 
it actually --worth worrying about?

It all depends upon what you want.  As has been said many times, Legacy is 
so flexible that we can all use it the way we want.  If you are happy using 
the address fields on the birth, death, etc. events, then go ahead.  That's 
your choice.  I prefer to have all of the address included in the locations so 
that they appear IN FULL in my web pages and reports.






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Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

[M. Brenzel]

Bernard,

As I have said many times, I do not see the value of using the Address field on 
the birth, death, etc. events.  I KNOW how to use it but I choose NOT to for 
the reasons I have given.  Legacy is very flexible and I don't like how those 
addresses appear in my reports and webpages.  Which ones I use is irrelevant.

I use the addresses as Ron Ferguson does and stated just a few messages ago - 
for the addresses of repositories.

BTW, I don't publish information about living people.

And the census case was not mine but Tony's.

One last point, I am an IT professional.  Please don't insult my intelligence 
by telling me that I shouldn't use terms that I don't understand.

Mary

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On Oct 24, 2011, at 8:03 AM, "Bernhard Scholz"  wrote:

> Mary,
>
> I only have about 26 000 individuals in my family file. I know of people 
> having
> over 800 000 individuals in their DB.
>
> In my case recording only 2 locations for each would mean to have 52 000
> locations and that for over 500 years.
>
> These individuals lived in less than 400 locations.
>
> To record an event eg. the location for the birth is very simple.
>
> 1.add the data of the birth
> 2.click on the "plus" sign on the right of the birth field
> 3.click on it and then click on the "Birth Addrress"
> 4.in this window you have all you need!!
>you can enter the address and the exact location without adding a new
> location for the birth.
>
> First of all you could have a great international legal problem ,eg. Europe, 
> if
> you publish data like the addresses and these are from living.
>
> You say you don'like the output of the reports using the present location
> outputs, but which ones as we have about 20 possibilies.
>
> For your Census case it could be that these persons where living somewhere 
> else
> at to the time between the 1. and 3. census.
>
> As you say Legacy is a relational database do you what it means entering
> Eg.
>"Smallville Hospital, 123, Small Street, Smallville, rest of location"
>
> I don't think so.
> If so, please describe it's function.
>
> If not, please don't use terms you can't describe but only heard about.
>
>
> Bernhard


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Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

[M. Brenzel]

Randy,

I wouldn't classify this as a personal vendetta.  I was merely clarifying my 
position on the use of the Address field and defending my knowledge and 
experience in the world of technology.

Consider this now dropped.

Mary

On Oct 24, 2011, at 8:28 AM, Randy Clark  wrote:

> How about we move on from this personal vendetta?


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Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

[M. Brenzel]

Bernhard,

Please don't tell someone that the way they are doing something is "the wrong 
way" just because it's not the way you have chosen to do it.

There is nothing wrong with putting all of the data for a location in the 
Location field!  It only is an issue if you use the Geo database.

Mary

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On Oct 24, 2011, at 10:29 AM, "Bernhard Scholz"  wrote:

> Tony,
>
> I don't care how old you are or where you live but about what you to think 
> about
> changes.
>
> But nobody is too old to learn somthing new.
>
> In some ways you're right.
>
> Back in prior 1999 with version 3.x it was much easier to use Legacy.
> Legacy had fewer options.
>
> Legacy as we all has grown up and thus having new features.
>
> Not staying uptodate has brought many problems for those not using every new
> versions in the past.
>
> You shouldn't get back to your old idea and enter all data in the locations.
> That's the wrong way.
>
> Perhaps I can help you directly and not on the list but per email with the 
> email
> address scholz-c...@gmx.de
>
>
> Bernhard
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tony Rolfe [mailto:geneal...@gillandtony.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:58 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.
>
> The more I think back about this issue, the more I think it was with a much
> earlier version of Legacy (Legacy 4?) and long before the mapping feature was
> invented.  I've done a few experiments with using street addresses in 
> locations
> and can't find anything which would cause any angst.  Maybe the problem I had
> was fixed in an upgrade or new version.
>
> I suspect it might have been with the GEO database which is pretty well
> redundant when using the mapping feature to get Lat and Long.
>
> Anyway, I think I'll be going back to the old idea of putting everything into
> locations.  But not all at once.
>
> Thanks to everyone for the help and advice.
>
> Cheers
>
> Tony
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

[M. Brenzel]

I agree, Dennis.  And in this case, that single field contains a string that 
describes the locations where every aspect of our ancestors' and descendants' 
lives took place and continue to take place.

Mary

-Original Message-
From: Dennis M. Kowallek [mailto:kowal...@iglou.com]
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 4:26 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:52:48 -0400, "BG Johnson"  wrote:

>1. It is my opinion that a single field in a database that uses a csv 
>format within the field is poor design.

Being a retired IT professional, I would not make a blanket statement
like that. It all depends on HOW the data is used.

I would agree that it raises red flags and might warrant further
examination, but I wouldn't rule it out as a possible solution for a
specific problem.

--

Dennis Kowallek (LTools/Custom Programming)
http://zippersoftware.com/ltools/index.htm
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools

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Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

[M. Brenzel]

I am not saying that there is anything wrong with expressing your opinion of 
how you use the location and address fields.  As has been stated many, many 
times, the Legacy developers have provided a tool that is very flexible and 
gives us different ways to use it.  How we use it is up to each individual.  
The question to be asked by each of us is "Does the way I enter data provide me 
with the end result I want, whether it be in reports, GEDCOM format, or web 
pages in order to share this data with others?"

What I take issue with is someone saying that putting the full location name in 
the location field is WRONG.  I have never and will never tell someone who has 
chosen to use the 4-field convention for the location fields and puts the full 
address in the address field (for vital fields) that his or her procedure is 
wrong.  We have all chosen the way we enter data.  There also is nothing wrong 
with taking a step back and looking at this periodically to see if perhaps we 
as individuals need to re-think the way that we do it because the end-result 
needs have changed.  If the decision to change is made, it is not wrong.

I don't know if I am in the minority in regards to how I use location and 
address fields.  I would suspect that this group of users has been vocal in 
that we are sharing our experiences and why we chose to use the method that we 
do but we also will state that neither method is wrong.  We also just happen to 
be the people who share the most with the users on this list by providing 
assistance and answering questions.  You may call it "grumpy"; I certainly 
don't.

So now, let's move on...

Mary

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RE: [LegacyUG] Showing historical locations.

[M. Brenzel]

In my opinion, it is important to remember the history.

I have events in my database that took place in what is now Detroit, Michigan, 
USA when it was a French fort.  Research provided me with the time frames of 
Detroit's evolution through various jurisdictions until Michigan became a state.

So I have the following locations in my database:

Fort Ponchartrain du Détroit, New France
Detroit, British North America
Detroit, Wayne County, Northwest Territory, USA
Detroit, Wayne County, Indiana Territory, USA
Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan Territory, USA
Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan, USA

In the Notes section under each location, I have included the following:

Detroit was founded as a French fort in 1701 and continued under French Rule 
until 1760 when it was taken by the British.  It remained under British Rule as 
Detroit until the Treaty of Paris in 1783, although the British continued to 
control Michigan until 1796.  From 1796-1803, Detroit became part of Wayne 
County, Northwest Territory.  From 1803-1805, it was part of Indiana Territory. 
 Michigan Territory was formed in 1805 and remained as such until it became the 
State of Michigan on 26 January 1837.

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RE: [LegacyUG] Showing historical locations.

[M. Brenzel]

All suggestions that I have read from the "experts" say that you should record 
the location as it was at the time of the event.  That is a practice that I 
have adopted and as a result, I have adjusted my locations to be that way.  I 
feel that we shouldn't forget the history and it should be studied to better 
understand the life and times of our ancestors.

Besides my example of Detroit, Michigan in the United States, I have similarly 
recorded locations in Europe, such as those in Wurttemberg which is now part of 
Baden-Wurttemberg in Germany.  This didn't exist at the time of the event, so 
it is recorded as Wurttemberg (no Germany included in the location name).  If I 
have no events in the same location since it became part of Germany, then that 
location is not in my database.  All of my previously listed location names for 
Detroit are in my database because I have events recorded in that place at the 
time that each of those existed.

Once again, I will say that this is my opinion and what I have decided to do in 
my database.  This has not greatly expanded my location list but I'm not going 
to go down that road again about the use of the Master Location List.

Mary





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[LegacyUG] Dates in Picture Center

[M. Brenzel]

I have been adding dates to pictures and document images in Picture Center.
Sometimes, the date remains as entered.  Sometimes, the month part of the
date is shortened.  For example, 1 August 1881 gets shortened to 1 Aug 1881
when I leave the record.  3 April 1881 remains that way on some but becomes
3 Apr 1881 on others.



Has anyone else seen this?  Can anyone duplicate it?



Also, I've looked in the database via Access and don't see where these dates
are stored.  I thought if I could fix them that way, I might be able to get
around this.



Thanks!

Mary





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RE: [LegacyUG] Dates in Picture Center

[M. Brenzel]

Ron,

I checked my settings:
Dates Displayed As = 21 Nov 1953
Month Format = Abbr. month name

I would think that this would indicate that all of my dates would be DD MMM 
 but they are not.  Some of them actually have the month spelled out 
completely.  But that's only in the Picture Center.  In BMD and events, the 
dates appear that way.

If I change the option to Month Format = Full month name, then I can change the 
months in Picture Center and they stick.

Mary




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