Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
View Master Lists Address Lists Event Choose Cotton Valley Cemetery Show List On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 2:11 PM, COLETTE SIKES wrote: > Good Day All > > Two weeks ago, I finally purchased Legacy Deluxe Edition (and about died > waiting for the password code to arrive so I could download it without the > CD!). I have had my tree on Ancestry for 13 years and did purchase Family > Tree Maker about 2 years ago so I could sync my tree but for whatever > reason mine wouldn't work after the first sync and they weren't able to > resolve my problem so I just gave up. I wanted so bad to create reports > and have been on the mailing list for Legacy for a long time, so I finally > jumped in! I'm so glad I did! Needless to say, I have lots of cleaning up > to do - especially with locations. > > I have been able to answer many of my questions by searching through the > archives but I still have one issue that I haven't been able to resolve. I > would like a report of burial locations - show me everyone who is buried in > Cotton Valley Cemetery, Cotton Valley, Webster, Louisiana, USA. If I leave > the cemetery name in the buried field, then it shows up in the location > report as I want it - even if it is wrong because the location should be > city, parish/county, state, country. > > I found Sherry's/Support message from 22 Nov 2010 that states she enters > the burial information as a Cemetery Event (and her words - and you can do > so much more with the Events Report). So when I changed 3 family members > burial location to a Cemetery Event and created the report, it shows up as > Alpha Name of the individuals and not grouped together by cemetery. > > Is there any way I can see everyone who is buried at a certain cemetery > grouped together? > > Thanks so much for any assistance you can provide to this newbie! I look > forward to many happy hours with Legacy! > > Colette Alfred-Sikes > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and > on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Collette, You say that it is wrong to include the cemetery name in the Location Field rather than the Address Book. I beg to disagree, that is where I put mine, always have and always will! I have never accepted the dogmatism which some apply to custom and practice, in any case I have yet to see a so called standard accepted by all. So my advice - do what works for you. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Agreed ... I use locations with a sense of what works ... Naples (Rose Ridge Cemetery, C-248), Ontario, New York, USA ... works very nicely and separates it from other locations in Naples such as Naples (Semans Road), Ontario, New York, USA ... Bob On 11/23/2013 2:30 PM, Ron Ferguson wrote: > Collette, > > You say that it is wrong to include the cemetery name in the Location Field > rather than the Address Book. > > I beg to disagree, that is where I put mine, always have and always will! > > I have never accepted the dogmatism which some apply to custom and practice, > in any case I have yet to see a so called standard accepted by all. > > So my advice - do what works for you. > > Ron Ferguson > http://www.fergys.co.uk/ > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Sherry's probably in the majority, but FMPOV "Wrong" is highly subjective, and if it floats your boat or fills some need you have, put the cemetery name into the burial place field. I'd've personally thought that was where it should go anyway. Cheryl COLETTE SIKES wrote: > Good Day All > Two weeks ago, I finally purchased Legacy Deluxe Edition > (and about died waiting for the password code to arrive so I > could download it without the CD!). I have had my tree on > Ancestry for 13 years and did purchase Family Tree Maker > about 2 years ago so I could sync my tree but for whatever > reason mine wouldn't work after the first sync and they > weren't able to resolve my problem so I just gave up. I > wanted so bad to create reports and have been on the mailing > list for Legacy for a long time, so I finally jumped in! I'm > so glad I did! Needless to say, I have lots of cleaning up > to do - especially with locations. > I have been able to answer many of my questions by searching > through the archives but I still have one issue that I > haven't been able to resolve. I would like a report of > burial locations - show me everyone who is buried in Cotton > Valley Cemetery, Cotton Valley, Webster, Louisiana, USA. If > I leave the cemetery name in the buried field, then it shows > up in the location report as I want it - even if it is wrong > because the location should be city, parish/county, state, > country. > I found Sherry's/Support message from 22 Nov 2010 that > states she enters the burial information as a Cemetery Event > (and her words - and you can do so much more with the Events > Report). So when I changed 3 family members burial location > to a Cemetery Event and created the report, it shows up as > Alpha Name of the individuals and not grouped together by > cemetery. > Is there any way I can see everyone who is buried at a > certain cemetery grouped together? > Thanks so much for any assistance you can provide to this > newbie! I look forward to many happy hours with Legacy! > Colette Alfred-Sikes Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
The reason why I recommend *not* to put the cemetery name in the location field is that it messes up sorts in the Master Location List as well as the "Expand/Contraction Location Parts" tool if you have entered it as Riverview Cemetery, South Bend, St. Joseph, Indiana, United States Some people who want the cemetery in the location field will enter it as Riverview Cemetery-South Bend, St. Joseph, Indiana, United States in order to retain the 4-place settings that are required for the proper sort and Expand/Contract. Geoff uses the Burial Address but I don't find that flexible enough for reports. We realize that the 4-place governmental jurisdictions don't always apply for locations outside of the US. In my file, I have utilized commas to keep the four places so I can do a good sort or use the Expand/Contract. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 12:26 PM, singhals wrote: > Sherry's probably in the majority, but FMPOV "Wrong" is > highly subjective, and if it floats your boat or fills some > need you have, put the cemetery name into the burial place > field. I'd've personally thought that was where it should go > anyway. > > Cheryl > > COLETTE SIKES wrote: > > Good Day All > > Two weeks ago, I finally purchased Legacy Deluxe Edition > > (and about died waiting for the password code to arrive so I > > could download it without the CD!). I have had my tree on > > Ancestry for 13 years and did purchase Family Tree Maker > > about 2 years ago so I could sync my tree but for whatever > > reason mine wouldn't work after the first sync and they > > weren't able to resolve my problem so I just gave up. I > > wanted so bad to create reports and have been on the mailing > > list for Legacy for a long time, so I finally jumped in! I'm > > so glad I did! Needless to say, I have lots of cleaning up > > to do - especially with locations. > > I have been able to answer many of my questions by searching > > through the archives but I still have one issue that I > > haven't been able to resolve. I would like a report of > > burial locations - show me everyone who is buried in Cotton > > Valley Cemetery, Cotton Valley, Webster, Louisiana, USA. If > > I leave the cemetery name in the buried field, then it shows > > up in the location report as I want it - even if it is wrong > > because the location should be city, parish/county, state, > > country. > > I found Sherry's/Support message from 22 Nov 2010 that > > states she enters the burial information as a Cemetery Event > > (and her words - and you can do so much more with the Events > > Report). So when I changed 3 family members burial location > > to a Cemetery Event and created the report, it shows up as > > Alpha Name of the individuals and not grouped together by > > cemetery. > > Is there any way I can see everyone who is buried at a > > certain cemetery grouped together? > > Thanks so much for any assistance you can provide to this > > newbie! I look forward to many happy hours with Legacy! > > Colette Alfred-Sikes > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Sherry, I don't disagree with your reasoning about the lists and sorting these. However, shouldn't this concept also be extended to other 'events' as well. In Australia, we only use a 3-place addressing system, so its really easy to slip in a patten of using a church or graveyard etc in that top level. Coming from a Christian background, I have lots of marriages and christenings and other events that take place in Churches, which would have a similar issue. So, would you advocate using a real event for each of these. Thanks ..Paul Kean Melbourne, Australia > > From: Sherry/Support >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Sent: Sunday, 24 November 2013 7:43 AM >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event > > > >The reason why I recommend *not* to put the cemetery name in the location >field is that it messes up sorts in the Master Location List as well as the >"Expand/Contraction Location Parts" tool if you have entered it as > > >Riverview Cemetery, South Bend, St. Joseph, Indiana, United States > > > >Some people who want the cemetery in the location field will enter it as > > >Riverview Cemetery-South Bend, St. Joseph, Indiana, United States > >in order to retain the 4-place settings that are required for the proper sort >and Expand/Contract. > >Geoff uses the Burial Address but I don't find that flexible enough for >reports. > > >We realize that the 4-place governmental jurisdictions don't always apply for >locations outside of the US. In my file, I have utilized commas to keep the >four places so I can do a good sort or use the Expand/Contract. > > > >Sincerely, >Sherry >Technical Support >Legacy Family Tree > > >On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 12:26 PM, singhals wrote: > >Sherry's probably in the majority, but FMPOV "Wrong" is >>highly subjective, and if it floats your boat or fills some >>need you have, put the cemetery name into the burial place >>field. I'd've personally thought that was where it should go >>anyway. >> >>Cheryl >> >> >>COLETTE SIKES wrote: >>> Good Day All >>> Two weeks ago, I finally purchased Legacy Deluxe Edition >>> (and about died waiting for the password code to arrive so I >>> could download it without the CD!). I have had my tree on >>> Ancestry for 13 years and did purchase Family Tree Maker >>> about 2 years ago so I could sync my tree but for whatever >>> reason mine wouldn't work after the first sync and they >>> weren't able to resolve my problem so I just gave up. I >>> wanted so bad to create reports and have been on the mailing >>> list for Legacy for a long time, so I finally jumped in! I'm >>> so glad I did! Needless to say, I have lots of cleaning up >>> to do - especially with locations. >>> I have been able to answer many of my questions by searching >>> through the archives but I still have one issue that I >>> haven't been able to resolve. I would like a report of >>> burial locations - show me everyone who is buried in Cotton >>> Valley Cemetery, Cotton Valley, Webster, Louisiana, USA. If >>> I leave the cemetery name in the buried field, then it shows >> >>> up in the location report as I want it - even if it is wrong >>> because the location should be city, parish/county, state, >>> country. >>> I found Sherry's/Support message from 22 Nov 2010 that >>> states she enters the burial information as a Cemetery Event >>> (and her words - and you can do so much more with the Events >>> Report). So when I changed 3 family members burial location >>> to a Cemetery Event and created the report, it shows up as >>> Alpha Name of the individuals and not grouped together by >>> cemetery. >>> Is there any way I can see everyone who is buried at a >>> certain cemetery grouped together? >>> Thanks so much for any assistance you can provide to this >>> newbie! I look forward to many happy hours with Legacy! >>> Colette Alfred-Sikes >> > > >Legacy User Group guidelines: >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp >Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ >Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ >Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp >Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on >our blog (ht
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Paul, Sherry is well aware of my views, so will not be surprised when I repeat that in my view users should always do that which they are most comfortable with. In any case the expand/contract options are not available in Aussie. As you no doubt aware the UK does not fit the American designed 4 field convention either. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Ron Ferguson wrote: > Paul, > > Sherry is well aware of my views, so will not be surprised when I repeat that > in my view users should always do that which they are most comfortable with. > > In any case the expand/contract options are not available in Aussie. As you > no doubt aware the UK does not fit the American designed 4 field convention > either. And a lot of US places don't fit the pattern, either. F'instance -- The Shanholtzer homeplace is a farm in , Hampshire County, West Virginia, USA. There IS no town, although the postal address is Capon Bridge. I can stretch the locale to 4 places by putting in the WV equivalent of township, but since no-body by census enumerators and real-estate agents use that designation for anything, I don't see the point. So, I can be "wrong" in my choice of ways, but never "correct." :} Cheryl Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Paul, In support of Ron Ferguson's comment below, remember that there are certain Genealogical Standards that should be adhered to, however, beyond that it is your research and you should do that which you are most comfortable with and produces your desired results. I live in the United States and have traced my ancestors back to Germany, England, France, Scotland, and Ireland where the 4 field convention is no longer applicable nor is it desirable. The bottom line is to do that with which *you* are the most comfortable and to achieve *your* desired results. Charles -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 5:48 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Paul, Sherry is well aware of my views, so will not be surprised when I repeat that in my view users should always do that which they are most comfortable with. In any case the expand/contract options are not available in Aussie. As you no doubt aware the UK does not fit the American designed 4 field convention either. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Also, if you go back to the 1950's and before, the "Today" postal codes were nowhere to be seen. Remember that the 2 letter postal codes are NOT abbreviations for the States and countries. Since we are NOT mailing data to these addresses, why are we using these codes? I live in an unincorporated area of a County with a mailing address linked to some post office in a nearby city. The house number, street are a county address based on a system that was started in what is now a very large city, 20 miles away. There several cities between here and the starting point of the street address. Thanks, David C Abernathy Email disclaimers This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus == Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
I don’t put cemetery names in the burial field. I use a separate Cemetery event. Why? Because I can use the notes area of the event to put the transcription of the marker and any other notes such as “grave is unmarked” or the section and plot number or even information about who all is buried in the same plot. I also attach a photo of the marker. Michele Technical Support <mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com> mich...@legacyfamilytree.com <http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com From: Paul Kean [mailto:pauljk...@yahoo.com.au] Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 5:07 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Sherry, I don't disagree with your reasoning about the lists and sorting these. However, shouldn't this concept also be extended to other 'events' as well. In Australia, we only use a 3-place addressing system, so its really easy to slip in a patten of using a church or graveyard etc in that top level. Coming from a Christian background, I have lots of marriages and christenings and other events that take place in Churches, which would have a similar issue. So, would you advocate using a real event for each of these. Thanks ..Paul Kean Melbourne, Australia _ From: Sherry/Support mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com> > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com> Sent: Sunday, 24 November 2013 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event The reason why I recommend *not* to put the cemetery name in the location field is that it messes up sorts in the Master Location List as well as the "Expand/Contraction Location Parts" tool if you have entered it as Riverview Cemetery, South Bend, St. Joseph, Indiana, United States Some people who want the cemetery in the location field will enter it as Riverview Cemetery-South Bend, St. Joseph, Indiana, United States in order to retain the 4-place settings that are required for the proper sort and Expand/Contract. Geoff uses the Burial Address but I don't find that flexible enough for reports. We realize that the 4-place governmental jurisdictions don't always apply for locations outside of the US. In my file, I have utilized commas to keep the four places so I can do a good sort or use the Expand/Contract. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 12:26 PM, singhals mailto:singh...@erols.com> > wrote: Sherry's probably in the majority, but FMPOV "Wrong" is highly subjective, and if it floats your boat or fills some need you have, put the cemetery name into the burial place field. I'd've personally thought that was where it should go anyway. Cheryl COLETTE SIKES wrote: > Good Day All > Two weeks ago, I finally purchased Legacy Deluxe Edition > (and about died waiting for the password code to arrive so I > could download it without the CD!). I have had my tree on > Ancestry for 13 years and did purchase Family Tree Maker > about 2 years ago so I could sync my tree but for whatever > reason mine wouldn't work after the first sync and they > weren't able to resolve my problem so I just gave up. I > wanted so bad to create reports and have been on the mailing > list for Legacy for a long time, so I finally jumped in! I'm > so glad I did! Needless to say, I have lots of cleaning up > to do - especially with locations. > I have been able to answer many of my questions by searching > through the archives but I still have one issue that I > haven't been able to resolve. I would like a report of > burial locations - show me everyone who is buried in Cotton > Valley Cemetery, Cotton Valley, Webster, Louisiana, USA. If > I leave the cemetery name in the buried field, then it shows > up in the location report as I want it - even if it is wrong > because the location should be city, parish/county, state, > country. > I found Sherry's/Support message from 22 Nov 2010 that > states she enters the burial information as a Cemetery Event > (and her words - and you can do so much more with the Events > Report). So when I changed 3 family members burial location > to a Cemetery Event and created the report, it shows up as > Alpha Name of the individuals and not grouped together by > cemetery. > Is there any way I can see everyone who is buried at a > certain cemetery grouped together? > Thanks so much for any assistance you can provide to this > newbie! I look forward to many happy hours with Legacy! > Colette Alfred-Sikes Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old
RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Yes. But there is no need for another event; you can do all that if you have the cemetery as the location for the Burial Event. CE From: mich...@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 21:53:49 -0500 I don’t put cemetery names in the burial field. I use a separate Cemetery event. Why? Because I can use the notes area of the event to put the transcription of the marker and any other notes such as “grave is unmarked” or the section and plot number or even information about who all is buried in the same plot. I also attach a photo of the marker. MicheleTechnical SupportMichele@LegacyFamilyTree.comhttp://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com From: Paul Kean [mailto:pauljk...@yahoo.com.au] Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 5:07 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Sherry, I don't disagree with your reasoning about the lists and sorting these. However, shouldn't this concept also be extended to other 'events' as well. In Australia, we only use a 3-place addressing system, so its really easy to slip in a patten of using a church or graveyard etc in that top level. Coming from a Christian background, I have lots of marriages and christenings and other events that take place in Churches, which would have a similar issue. So, would you advocate using a real event for each of these. Thanks..Paul KeanMelbourne, Australia From: Sherry/Support To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sunday, 24 November 2013 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event The reason why I recommend *not* to put the cemetery name in the location field is that it messes up sorts in the Master Location List as well as the "Expand/Contraction Location Parts" tool if you have entered it asRiverview Cemetery, South Bend, St. Joseph, Indiana, United States Some people who want the cemetery in the location field will enter it asRiverview Cemetery-South Bend, St. Joseph, Indiana, United States in order to retain the 4-place settings that are required for the proper sort and Expand/Contract. Geoff uses the Burial Address but I don't find that flexible enough for reports.We realize that the 4-place governmental jurisdictions don't always apply for locations outside of the US. In my file, I have utilized commas to keep the four places so I can do a good sort or use the Expand/Contract.Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 12:26 PM, singhals wrote:Sherry's probably in the majority, but FMPOV "Wrong" is highly subjective, and if it floats your boat or fills some need you have, put the cemetery name into the burial place field. I'd've personally thought that was where it should go anyway. Cheryl COLETTE SIKES wrote: > Good Day All > Two weeks ago, I finally purchased Legacy Deluxe Edition > (and about died waiting for the password code to arrive so I > could download it without the CD!). I have had my tree on > Ancestry for 13 years and did purchase Family Tree Maker > about 2 years ago so I could sync my tree but for whatever > reason mine wouldn't work after the first sync and they > weren't able to resolve my problem so I just gave up. I > wanted so bad to create reports and have been on the mailing > list for Legacy for a long time, so I finally jumped in! I'm > so glad I did! Needless to say, I have lots of cleaning up > to do - especially with locations. > I have been able to answer many of my questions by searching > through the archives but I still have one issue that I > haven't been able to resolve. I would like a report of > burial locations - show me everyone who is buried in Cotton > Valley Cemetery, Cotton Valley, Webster, Louisiana, USA. If> I leave the > cemetery name in the buried field, then it shows> up in the location report > as I want it - even if it is wrong > because the location should be city, parish/county, state, > country. > I found Sherry's/Support message from 22 Nov 2010 that > states she enters the burial information as a Cemetery Event > (and her words - and you can do so much more with the Events > Report). So when I changed 3 family members burial location > to a Cemetery Event and created the report, it shows up as > Alpha Name of the individuals and not grouped together by > cemetery. > Is there any way I can see everyone who is buried at a > certain cemetery grouped together? > Thanks so much for any assistance you can provide to this > newbie! I look forward to many happy hours with Legacy! > Colette Alfred-Sikes Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Agreed! Just sort your locations from right to left (big to small), and you don't have to deal with the annoyance of clicking on another field just to see the cemetery, and you don't have the burial location repeat in reports. Having done it both ways, I much prefer the cemetery name in the burial field. Mary M On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 9:00 PM, CE WOOD wrote: > Yes. But there is no need for another event; you can do all that if > you have the cemetery as the location for the Burial Event. > > > CE > > -- > From: mich...@legacyfamilytree.com > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event > Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 21:53:49 -0500 > > I don’t put cemetery names in the burial field. I use a separate Cemetery > event. Why? Because I can use the notes area of the event to put the > transcription of the marker and any other notes such as “grave is unmarked” > or the section and plot number or even information about who all is buried > in the same plot. I also attach a photo of the marker. > > > > Michele > > Technical Support > > mich...@legacyfamilytree.com > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com <http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/> > > > > *From:* Paul Kean [mailto:pauljk...@yahoo.com.au] > *Sent:* Saturday, November 23, 2013 5:07 PM > *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event > > > > Sherry, > > > > I don't disagree with your reasoning about the lists and sorting these. > However, shouldn't this concept also be extended to other 'events' as well. > In Australia, we only use a 3-place addressing system, so its really easy > to slip in a patten of using a church or graveyard etc in that top level. > Coming from a Christian background, I have lots of marriages and > christenings and other events that take place in Churches, which would have > a similar issue. So, would you advocate using a real event for each of > these. > > > > Thanks > > ..Paul Kean > > Melbourne, Australia > > > > -- > > *From:* Sherry/Support > *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > *Sent:* Sunday, 24 November 2013 7:43 AM > *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event > > > > The reason why I recommend *not* to put the cemetery name in the location > field is that it messes up sorts in the Master Location List as well as the > "Expand/Contraction Location Parts" tool if you have entered it as > > Riverview Cemetery, South Bend, St. Joseph, Indiana, United States > > > > Some people who want the cemetery in the location field will enter it as > > Riverview Cemetery-South Bend, St. Joseph, Indiana, United States > > in order to retain the 4-place settings that are required for the proper > sort and Expand/Contract. > > Geoff uses the Burial Address but I don't find that flexible enough for > reports. > > We realize that the 4-place governmental jurisdictions don't always apply > for locations outside of the US. In my file, I have utilized commas to > keep the four places so I can do a good sort or use the Expand/Contract. > > > Sincerely, > Sherry > Technical Support > Legacy Family Tree > > > > On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 12:26 PM, singhals wrote: > > Sherry's probably in the majority, but FMPOV "Wrong" is > highly subjective, and if it floats your boat or fills some > need you have, put the cemetery name into the burial place > field. I'd've personally thought that was where it should go > anyway. > > Cheryl > > > COLETTE SIKES wrote: > > Good Day All > > Two weeks ago, I finally purchased Legacy Deluxe Edition > > (and about died waiting for the password code to arrive so I > > could download it without the CD!). I have had my tree on > > Ancestry for 13 years and did purchase Family Tree Maker > > about 2 years ago so I could sync my tree but for whatever > > reason mine wouldn't work after the first sync and they > > weren't able to resolve my problem so I just gave up. I > > wanted so bad to create reports and have been on the mailing > > list for Legacy for a long time, so I finally jumped in! I'm > > so glad I did! Needless to say, I have lots of cleaning up > > to do - especially with locations. > > I have been able to answer many of my questions by searching > > through the archives but I still have one issue that I > > haven't been able to resolve. I would like a report of > > burial locations - show me everyone who is buri
RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Although Legacy allows you to change the Burial Event to a Cremation, this gets changed back to a Burial Event in a non-Legacy GEDCOM export. Using a separate cremation event overcomes this potential problem. I prefer to leave the Burial event blank and add a Cremation Event to ensure Gedcom compatibility. I use the Burial event only when I know there has been a genuine Burial. Alan Pereira From: CE WOOD [mailto:wood...@msn.com] Sent: 24 November 2013 05:00 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Yes. But there is no need for another event; you can do all that if you have the cemetery as the location for the Burial Event. CE _ From: mich...@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 21:53:49 -0500 I don’t put cemetery names in the burial field. I use a separate Cemetery event. Why? Because I can use the notes area of the event to put the transcription of the marker and any other notes such as “grave is unmarked” or the section and plot number or even information about who all is buried in the same plot. I also attach a photo of the marker. Michele Technical Support <mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com> mich...@legacyfamilytree.com <http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com From: Paul Kean [mailto:pauljk...@yahoo.com.au] Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 5:07 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Sherry, I don't disagree with your reasoning about the lists and sorting these. However, shouldn't this concept also be extended to other 'events' as well. In Australia, we only use a 3-place addressing system, so its really easy to slip in a patten of using a church or graveyard etc in that top level. Coming from a Christian background, I have lots of marriages and christenings and other events that take place in Churches, which would have a similar issue. So, would you advocate using a real event for each of these. Thanks ..Paul Kean Melbourne, Australia _ From: Sherry/Support To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sunday, 24 November 2013 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event The reason why I recommend *not* to put the cemetery name in the location field is that it messes up sorts in the Master Location List as well as the "Expand/Contraction Location Parts" tool if you have entered it as Riverview Cemetery, South Bend, St. Joseph, Indiana, United States Some people who want the cemetery in the location field will enter it as Riverview Cemetery-South Bend, St. Joseph, Indiana, United States in order to retain the 4-place settings that are required for the proper sort and Expand/Contract. Geoff uses the Burial Address but I don't find that flexible enough for reports. We realize that the 4-place governmental jurisdictions don't always apply for locations outside of the US. In my file, I have utilized commas to keep the four places so I can do a good sort or use the Expand/Contract. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 12:26 PM, singhals wrote: Sherry's probably in the majority, but FMPOV "Wrong" is highly subjective, and if it floats your boat or fills some need you have, put the cemetery name into the burial place field. I'd've personally thought that was where it should go anyway. Cheryl COLETTE SIKES wrote: > Good Day All > Two weeks ago, I finally purchased Legacy Deluxe Edition > (and about died waiting for the password code to arrive so I > could download it without the CD!). I have had my tree on > Ancestry for 13 years and did purchase Family Tree Maker > about 2 years ago so I could sync my tree but for whatever > reason mine wouldn't work after the first sync and they > weren't able to resolve my problem so I just gave up. I > wanted so bad to create reports and have been on the mailing > list for Legacy for a long time, so I finally jumped in! I'm > so glad I did! Needless to say, I have lots of cleaning up > to do - especially with locations. > I have been able to answer many of my questions by searching > through the archives but I still have one issue that I > haven't been able to resolve. I would like a report of > burial locations - show me everyone who is buried in Cotton > Valley Cemetery, Cotton Valley, Webster, Louisiana, USA. If > I leave the cemetery name in the buried field, then it shows > up in the location report as I want it - even if it is wrong > because the location should be city, parish/county, state, > country. > I found Sherry's/Support message from 22 Nov 2010 that > states she enters the
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
The problem I've always had with using all the neat little specialized fields in any program (genie or not) is -- I forget where I tucked that fascinating tidbit then spend labor-hours finding it again. Cheryl Michele/Support wrote: > I don’t put cemetery names in the burial field. I use a > separate Cemetery event. Why? Because I can use the notes > area of the event to put the transcription of the marker and > any other notes such as “grave is unmarked†or the section > and plot number or even information about who all is buried > in the same plot. I also attach a photo of the marker. > > Michele > > Technical Support > > mich...@legacyfamilytree.com > <mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com> > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com > <http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/> > > *From:*Paul Kean [mailto:pauljk...@yahoo.com.au] > *Sent:* Saturday, November 23, 2013 5:07 PM > *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event > > Sherry, > > I don't disagree with your reasoning about the lists and > sorting these. However, shouldn't this concept also be > extended to other 'events' as well. In Australia, we only > use a 3-place addressing system, so its really easy to slip > in a patten of using a church or graveyard etc in that top > level. Coming from a Christian background, I have lots of > marriages and christenings and other events that take place > in Churches, which would have a similar issue. So, would you > advocate using a real event for each of these. > > Thanks > > ..Paul Kean > > Melbourne, Australia > > > > *From:*Sherry/Support <mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com>> > *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, 24 November 2013 7:43 AM > *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery > Event > > The reason why I recommend *not* to put the cemetery > name in the location field is that it messes up sorts in > the Master Location List as well as the > "Expand/Contraction Location Parts" tool if you have > entered it as > > Riverview Cemetery, South Bend, St. Joseph, Indiana, > United States > > Some people who want the cemetery in the location field > will enter it as > > Riverview Cemetery-South Bend, St. Joseph, Indiana, > United States > > in order to retain the 4-place settings that are > required for the proper sort and Expand/Contract. > > Geoff uses the Burial Address but I don't find that > flexible enough for reports. > > We realize that the 4-place governmental jurisdictions > don't always apply for locations outside of the US. In > my file, I have utilized commas to keep the four places > so I can do a good sort or use the Expand/Contract. > > > Sincerely, > Sherry > Technical Support > Legacy Family Tree > > On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 12:26 PM, singhals > mailto:singh...@erols.com>> wrote: > > Sherry's probably in the majority, but FMPOV "Wrong" is > highly subjective, and if it floats your boat or > fills some > need you have, put the cemetery name into the burial > place > field. I'd've personally thought that was where it > should go > anyway. > > Cheryl > > > COLETTE SIKES wrote: > > Good Day All > > Two weeks ago, I finally purchased Legacy Deluxe > Edition > > (and about died waiting for the password code to > arrive so I > > could download it without the CD!). I have had my > tree on > > Ancestry for 13 years and did purchase Family Tree > Maker > > about 2 years ago so I could sync my tree but for > whatever > > reason mine wouldn't work after the first sync and > they > > weren't able to resolve my problem so I just gave > up. I > > wanted so bad to create reports and have been on > the mailing > > list for Legacy for a long time, so I finally > jumped in! I'm > > so glad I did! Needless to say, I have lots of > cleaning up > > to do - especially with locations. > > I have been able to answer many of my questions by > searching > > through the archives but I still have
RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
>From a earlier post: "I don't put cemetery names in the burial field. I use a >separate Cemetery event. " I have just browsed through the Sample database that comes with Legacy, and I find NO cemetery listed in any entry. There is also NO information in the Help about cemeteries. So it appears that even the authors of the Help and sample database do not enter the Cemetery name in the Burial date/Place event. I also use another major named program, and it has with each fact, a date, location and a description field. In that program I enter the cemetery name in the Description field. I think that if Legacy was to do the same by providing 3 or more fields for each event, more people would have fewer issues with entries like this. Notes for some events are also helpful. Thanks, David C Abernathy Email disclaimers This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus == Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
They already do have a place to enter the cemetery and other burial information if you chose not to enter the cemetery name in the Location space of the Burial vital event. Click on the plus sign to the right of the Location space. That brings up a list of 4 options, Burial Address, Burial Notes, Burial Pictures, Cremated. Click on the one(s) in which you want to enter your information. CE > From: da...@schmeckabernathy.com > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event > Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 08:22:53 -0800 > > From a earlier post: "I don't put cemetery names in the burial field. I use a > separate Cemetery event. " > > I have just browsed through the Sample database that comes with Legacy, and I > find NO cemetery listed in any entry. There is also NO information in the > Help about cemeteries. > > So it appears that even the authors of the Help and sample database do not > enter the Cemetery name in the Burial date/Place event. > I also use another major named program, and it has with each fact, a date, > location and a description field. In that program I enter the cemetery name > in the Description field. > I think that if Legacy was to do the same by providing 3 or more fields for > each event, more people would have fewer issues with entries like this. Notes > for some events are also helpful. > > Thanks, > David C Abernathy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Legacy allows you the flexibility to enter information in different ways. It all depends on how you want the information displayed on your screen and in your reports. It depends on how you want to be able to sort and search for things. If there was only one way to do something then people would complain that they can’t do it a different way :) Michele Technical Support mich...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com From: CE WOOD [mailto:wood...@msn.com] Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 12:47 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event They already do have a place to enter the cemetery and other burial information if you chose not to enter the cemetery name in the Location space of the Burial vital event. Click on the plus sign to the right of the Location space. That brings up a list of 4 options, Burial Address, Burial Notes, Burial Pictures, Cremated. Click on the one(s) in which you want to enter your information. CE > From: da...@schmeckabernathy.com > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event > Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 08:22:53 -0800 > > From a earlier post: "I don't put cemetery names in the burial field. I use a > separate Cemetery event. " > > I have just browsed through the Sample database that comes with Legacy, and I > find NO cemetery listed in any entry. There is also NO information in the > Help about cemeteries. > > So it appears that even the authors of the Help and sample database do not > enter the Cemetery name in the Burial date/Place event. > I also use another major named program, and it has with each fact, a date, > location and a description field. In that program I enter the cemetery name > in the Description field. > I think that if Legacy was to do the same by providing 3 or more fields for > each event, more people would have fewer issues with entries like this. Notes > for some events are also helpful. > > Thanks, > David C Abernathy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Would be nice if there were a matrix showing most of the ways to enter each kind of data, and constraints and attributes of each, including which allowed searching, produced various types of reports, etc. > -Original Message- > From: Michele/Support [mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com] > Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 11:04 AM > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event > > Legacy allows you the flexibility to enter information in different > ways. It all depends on how you want the information displayed on your > screen and in your reports. It depends on how you want to be able to > sort and search for things. If there was only one way to do something > then people would complain that they can’t do it a different way :) > > Michele > Technical Support > mich...@legacyfamilytree.com > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
David, Look at Asa Clark Brown in the Sample. He has a burial Address which is the cemetery where Asa is Buried. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. On 24/11/2013 11:22 AM, David Abernathy wrote: >>From a earlier post: "I don't put cemetery names in the burial field. I use a >>separate Cemetery event. " > > I have just browsed through the Sample database that comes with Legacy, and I > find NO cemetery listed in any entry. There is also NO information in the > Help about cemeteries. > > So it appears that even the authors of the Help and sample database do not > enter the Cemetery name in the Burial date/Place event. > I also use another major named program, and it has with each fact, a date, > location and a description field. In that program I enter the cemetery name > in the Description field. > I think that if Legacy was to do the same by providing 3 or more fields for > each event, more people would have fewer issues with entries like this. Notes > for some events are also helpful. > > Thanks, > David C Abernathy > Email disclaimers > > This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. > > http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com > == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus == > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
I hope I’m not extending this discussion more than necessary, but it is very interesting, but now I am somewhat confused about what I should do; I’m pretty new at using Legacy, and haven’t ventured out into sorting/finding/making reports yet, nor am I very tech saavy; but now I am concerned about what will or will not show up in a report that I send along to someone else; I would be sending this (hopefully) as GEDCOM to others mostly outside USA, but after seeing all this discussion I may need to print/send manually. ..I have these questions, please clarify if I am understanding the viewpoints expressed correctly, likely 2 slightly different topics, but hopefully make sense: 1. Regarding the cemetery documentation itself; if we are to put commas in “4” places, as Sherry suggests, what is the purpose of the dash instead of the comma, e.g. if you have cemetery, town, county, state, and ?? country; is it to “limit” the sorting to 4 fields? Or is it just to tie the cemetery location to the town for geographical purposes? What happens if there are 5 fields? Does the program look at the two words with the dash as one word? And what “types” of reports does this make a difference in? Does it make a difference in a GEDCOM output? And then how do others “outside” USA suggest writing the pattern? If I were to use the “commas” similarly for foreign addresses, would the “sort” function work the same way? Or is the program “coded” only for USA so that e.g. the second “word” is the town, third “word” is state/county, etc? 2. I see the back and forth preferences of listing cemetery in Events field vs. burial location line. I have been putting cemetery in location line because it made more sense to me, but if it’s better to put in “events” field, some say that WON’T show up in a report? Is that true, and in what cases? It does seem like more work to list in the events section, and I’m confused now about what are the benefits of doing so. . .if someone could explain more clearly why it’s better? In other words, is it only a gedcom issue, or does it have to do with certain TYPES of reports, or sorting? If it means I have to manually “adjust”/ edit that particular info like in a text file to send someone, just to make sure they get the information, then I want to do it another way, which would be. . . .??? 3. And then, the events issue, when transferring to a gedcom, do “other” events such as census listings, or occupations, get excluded as well? If so, what can be done about this, besides manually editing the info in a word processing program? I have thousands of people in my database and there has got to be an easier way. 4. What happens in reports if the additional cemetery address location is listed into the text/comment area under “source” documentation of the cemetery itself? I’m assuming that means no geographical mapping functionality, but what about for reports or gedcom? Thanks so much for patience with these questions! Pam From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com] Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 12:43 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event The reason why I recommend *not* to put the cemetery name in the location field is that it messes up sorts in the Master Location List as well as the "Expand/Contraction Location Parts" tool if you have entered it as Riverview Cemetery, South Bend, St. Joseph, Indiana, United States Some people who want the cemetery in the location field will enter it as Riverview Cemetery-South Bend, St. Joseph, Indiana, United States in order to retain the 4-place settings that are required for the proper sort and Expand/Contract. Geoff uses the Burial Address but I don't find that flexible enough for reports. We realize that the 4-place governmental jurisdictions don't always apply for locations outside of the US. In my file, I have utilized commas to keep the four places so I can do a good sort or use the Expand/Contract. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 12:26 PM, singhals wrote: Sherry's probably in the majority, but FMPOV "Wrong" is highly subjective, and if it floats your boat or fills some need you have, put the cemetery name into the burial place field. I'd've personally thought that was where it should go anyway. Cheryl COLETTE SIKES wrote: > Good Day All > Two weeks ago, I finally purchased Legacy Deluxe Edition > (and about died waiting for the password code to arrive so I > could download it without the CD!). I have had my tree on > Ancestry for 13 years and did purchase Family Tree Maker > about 2 years ago so I could sync my tree but for whatever > reason mine wouldn't work after the first sync and they > weren't able to resolve my problem so I just gave up. I >
RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Pam, there's a Sample database that comes with Legacy. You might want to test your thoughts on that, changing one thing or another and looking at the reports to see if you like the output. That way you won't mess up your data, and you can get an idea about how each of the options have an effect on sorting, reporting, GEDCOM exporting, and the like. Legacy is a flexible program, and there will be strong views on all sides of the things you are asking, so you might find that the only way to see what will work for you is to try them out. Mostly people seem to feel that there's no right or wrong way to do things in the program, but just what gives you what you want from your data. I think many of us had the same questions at some point. Hope this helps a bit. Rose - Original Message - From: "Pam Gosling" To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 21:39:24 -0800 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event > I hope Im not extending this discussion more than necessary, but it is very > interesting, but now I am somewhat confused about what I should do; Im > pretty new at using Legacy, and havent ventured out into > sorting/finding/making reports yet, nor am I very tech saavy; but now I am > concerned about what will or will not show up in a report that I send along > to someone else; I would be sending this (hopefully) as GEDCOM to others > mostly outside USA, but after seeing all this discussion I may need to > print/send manually. ..I have these questions, please clarify if I am > understanding the viewpoints expressed correctly, likely 2 slightly different > topics, but hopefully make sense: > > > > 1. Regarding the cemetery documentation itself; if we are to put > commas in 4 places, as Sherry suggests, what is the purpose of the dash > instead of the comma, e.g. if you have cemetery, town, county, state, and ?? > country; is it to limit the sorting to 4 fields? Or is it just to tie the > cemetery location to the town for geographical purposes? What happens if > there are 5 fields? Does the program look at the two words with the dash as > one word? And what types of reports does this make a difference in? Does > it make a difference in a GEDCOM output? And then how do others outside USA > suggest writing the pattern? If I were to use the commas similarly for > foreign addresses, would the sort function work the same way? Or is the > program coded only for USA so that e.g. the second word is the town, > third word is state/county, etc? > > > > 2. I see the back and forth preferences of listing cemetery in Events > field vs. burial location line. I have been putting cemetery in location line > because it made more sense to me, but if its better to put in events > field, some say that WONT show up in a report? Is that true, and in what > cases? It does seem like more work to list in the events section, and Im > confused now about what are the benefits of doing so. . .if someone could > explain more clearly why its better? In other words, is it only a gedcom > issue, or does it have to do with certain TYPES of reports, or sorting? If > it means I have to manually adjust/ edit that particular info like in a > text file to send someone, just to make sure they get the information, then I > want to do it another way, which would be. . . .??? > > > > 3. And then, the events issue, when transferring to a gedcom, do > other events such as census listings, or occupations, get excluded as well? > If so, what can be done about this, besides manually editing the info in a > word processing program? I have thousands of people in my database and there > has got to be an easier way. > > > > 4. What happens in reports if the additional cemetery address location > is listed into the text/comment area under source documentation of the > cemetery itself? Im assuming that means no geographical mapping > functionality, but what about for reports or gedcom? > > > > Thanks so much for patience with these questions! Pam > > > > From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 12:43 PM > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event > > > > The reason why I recommend *not* to put the cemetery name in the location > field is that it messes up sorts in the Master Location List as well as the > "Expand/Contraction Location Parts" tool if you have entered it as > > Riverview Cemetery, South Bend, St. Joseph, Indiana, United States > > > > Some people who want the cemetery in the location field will enter it as >
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
On 2013/11/25 13:48, Rose Hatten wrote: > Pam, there's a Sample database that comes with Legacy. You might want to > test your thoughts on that, changing one thing or another and looking at the > reports to see if you like the output. That way you won't mess up your data, > and you can get an idea about how each of the options have an effect on > sorting, reporting, GEDCOM exporting, and the like. The Sample database, whilst instructive, often doesn't mean as much to people as it does to Geoff. My recommendation to people is to create a cut-down version of your own database and call it Sandbox. This is where you can play and experiment to your heart's content without harming the main object of your affections. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
I put cemetery, church, house, hospital, et. al. in both location and address fields. I do location because it will appear on screen or in reports more predictable/dependably than the address fields. But Legacy could improve that someday, so I figure it's easier to enter the data now than to try and go back and update an entire database someday. Plus maybe I have OCD, I have a hard time leaving form fields blank. :) I also subscribe to the notion that do what works best for you. For me that means adding locations that will make sense, but I still want to get the most out of Legacy so I also try to conform to the 4 comma location format. If I find a way to make location work within the 4 part location I do, but am not afraid to break away when necessary. As such, I would not recommend locations like this: Riverview Cemetery, South Bend, St. Joseph, Indiana, United States Rather, I'd suggest South Bend, St. Joseph, Indiana, United States South Bend-Riverview Cemetery, St. Joseph, Indiana, United States South Bend-1st Baptist Church, St. Joseph, Indiana, United States ... Why? - All South Bend locations sort together in master list - No space around the dash (ie. South Bend-Riverview Cemetery), means the 'standard' "South Bend, St. Joseph, Indiana, United States" will sort to the top, which means when you start typing "South Bend" into a location field the 'standard' format is prefilled for you. - Locations follow the 4part pattern for most effective use in Legacy, and provide the more specific location information in a meaningful way to my reports - Each location can be given more exact geolocation coordinates On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 5:54 AM, Mike Fry wrote: > On 2013/11/25 13:48, Rose Hatten wrote: > > > Pam, there's a Sample database that comes with Legacy. You might want to > > test your thoughts on that, changing one thing or another and looking at > the > > reports to see if you like the output. That way you won't mess up your > data, > > and you can get an idea about how each of the options have an effect on > > sorting, reporting, GEDCOM exporting, and the like. > > The Sample database, whilst instructive, often doesn't mean as much to > people as > it does to Geoff. My recommendation to people is to create a cut-down > version of > your own database and call it Sandbox. This is where you can play and > experiment > to your heart's content without harming the main object of your affections. > > -- > Regards, > Mike Fry > Johannesburg (g) > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and > on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > -- James Cook GED Utils, Ancestry Utils http://loosestacks.blogspot.com/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
James, May I correct one oft repeated fallacy, that is that locations only sort correctly if a "standard" format is followed. Wrong, wrong, wrong!!! Legacy allows locations to be sorted from right to left, ie. Country>Cemetery, much more sensible than sorting from left to right. Provided one's locations are written from lowest to highest they will *always* sort correctly if right to left is set - at least for Western locations. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Hmm... Noted. I even have mine sorted that way. Maybe I don't need the dash, but would have sworn there was some reason. Anyway, good to know. On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 8:21 AM, Ron Ferguson wrote: > James, > > May I correct one oft repeated fallacy, that is that locations only sort > correctly if a "standard" format is followed. Wrong, wrong, wrong!!! > > Legacy allows locations to be sorted from right to left, ie. > Country>Cemetery, much more sensible than sorting from left to right. > > Provided one's locations are written from lowest to highest they will > *always* sort correctly if right to left is set - at least for Western > locations. > > > -- James Cook GED Utils, Ancestry Utils http://loosestacks.blogspot.com/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Pam: 1. The program doesn't recognize a dash as a separator, just the comma. The dash would be to distinguish the cemetery name from the town name when you limit to four fields. For example, using the dash separator in the location field, the location in the report will show: "He was buried in Riverview Cemetery-South Bend, St. Joseph." Or maybe you could enter "Riverview Cemetery in South Bend, St. Joseph." If you use the Event, the location will show up in the Event listing as "He was buried in Riverview Cemtery on (date) in South Bend" If you do not ever plan on sorting your locations or using the Expand/Contract Location Parts, it doesn't matter. However I do both frequently! Why I use the Event over other methods 1. The Event Report is quite flexible and contains much information - name, birth and death date and place, date of event, age at time of event are defaults. You can print it on a group of tagged individual or the Search List (see below) or everyone with a Cemetery Event. Plus there are several other formatting options. 2. The Location Report is minimal. If you print the "Show List" of individuals for a location, all you get is name and RIN. You can tag everyone in the "Show List" or create a Search List and then print the Report from the Search List. More options than the Event Report, but more work as well . You have to select all the fields you wish to include. If you tag the individuals, you can then go to the Event Report and print the report selecting "Cemetery" for "Only this event" and select the tagged group. 3. The Address report is even less useful. You can get a list of names using that address - that's all. Just play around with it - as Mike suggested. Love the name he picks . Make a copy of your Family File by going to File > Save Family File As I use the name "Test copy " so you don't get it confused with your real data. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Pam Gosling wrote: > 1. Regarding the cemetery documentation itself; if we are to put > commas in “4” places, as Sherry suggests, what is the purpose of the dash > instead of the comma, e.g. if you have cemetery, town, county, state, and > ?? country; is it to “limit” the sorting to 4 fields? Or is it just to tie > the cemetery location to the town for geographical purposes? What happens > if there are 5 fields? Does the program look at the two words with the dash > as one word? And what “types” of reports does this make a difference in? > Does it make a difference in a GEDCOM output? And then how do others > “outside” USA suggest writing the pattern? If I were to use the “commas” > similarly for foreign addresses, would the “sort” function work the same > way? Or is the program “coded” only for USA so that e.g. the second “word” > is the town, third “word” is state/county, etc? > > > > 2. I see the back and forth preferences of listing cemetery in > Events field vs. burial location line. I have been putting cemetery in > location line because it made more sense to me, but if it’s better to put > in “events” field, some say that WON’T show up in a report? Is that true, > and in what cases? It does seem like more work to list in the events > section, and I’m confused now about what are the benefits of doing so. . > .if someone could explain more clearly why it’s better? In other words, is > it only a gedcom issue, or does it have to do with certain TYPES of > reports, or sorting? If it means I have to manually “adjust”/ edit that > particular info like in a text file to send someone, just to make sure > they get the information, then I want to do it another way, which would be. > . . .??? > > 3. And then, the events issue, when transferring to a gedcom, do > “other” events such as census listings, or occupations, get excluded as > well? If so, what can be done about this, besides manually editing the info > in a word processing program? I have thousands of people in my database > and there has got to be an easier way. > > 4. What happens in reports if the additional cemetery address > location is listed into the text/comment area under “source” documentation > of the cemetery itself? I’m assuming that means no geographical mapping > functionality, but what about for reports or gedcom? > > Thanks so much for patience with these questions! Pam > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Ron, If you don't have the four places or the locations aren't entered consistently, then the list is not sorted correctly. I can't send a screen shot to the list, but "Victoria, Australia" is not sorted with the other countries - it's sorted up by "Scottsdale, AZ" (my locations are in a jumble in my test file and not always formatted correctly for testing all sorts of scenarios) and completely out of sequence with the other Australia locations which have been created with three elements (Albert Park, Victoria, Australia is one) Consistency is important Now if I use Expand/Contract Location Parts to shorten Australia to AUS (for the Short Location Name), then it's not going to find *any* of them because Legacy's not recognizing Australia as being in the country field. Adding a comma wherever you're missing one of the governmental jurisdictions does work. Like I said, if you never use that feature, then it's a moot point. I use it all the time Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Ron Ferguson wrote: > James, > > May I correct one oft repeated fallacy, that is that locations only sort > correctly if a "standard" format is followed. Wrong, wrong, wrong!!! > > Legacy allows locations to be sorted from right to left, ie. > Country>Cemetery, much more sensible than sorting from left to right. > > Provided one's locations are written from lowest to highest they will > *always* sort correctly if right to left is set - at least for Western > locations. > > > Ron Ferguson > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Sherry, if your list does not sort correctly when sorted right to left, then it is because you did not include the country when you entered "Scottsdale, AZ." Left to Right : Coventry, Warwickshire, England Coventry Castle, Warwickshire, England Coventry Priory, Warwickshire, England Callowden Manor, Coventry, Warwickshire England Chillesmore (Chaylesmore) Manor, Coventry, Warwickshire, England Coombe Abbey, Coventry, Warwickshire, England Greyfriars, Coventry, Warwickshire, England St. Michael's, Coventry, Warwickshire, England White Friars, Coventry, Warwickshire, England Right to Left: England, Warwickshire, Coventry, England, Warwickshire, Coventry Castle, England, Warwickshire, Coventry Priory, England, Warwickshire, Coventry, Callowden Manor England, Warwickshire, Coventry, Chillesmore (Chaylesmore) Manor England, Warwickshire, Coventry, Coombe Abbey England, Warwickshire, Coventry, Greyfriars England, Warwickshire, Coventry, St. Michael's England, Warwickshire, Coventry, White Friars Easy-peasy! CE From: she...@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 07:07:28 -0800 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Ron, If you don't have the four places or the locations aren't entered consistently, then the list is not sorted correctly. I can't send a screen shot to the list, but "Victoria, Australia" is not sorted with the other countries - it's sorted up by "Scottsdale, AZ" (my locations are in a jumble in my test file and not always formatted correctly for testing all sorts of scenarios) and completely out of sequence with the other Australia locations which have been created with three elements (Albert Park, Victoria, Australia is one) Consistency is important Now if I use Expand/Contract Location Parts to shorten Australia to AUS (for the Short Location Name), then it's not going to find *any* of them because Legacy's not recognizing Australia as being in the country field. Adding a comma wherever you're missing one of the governmental jurisdictions does work. Like I said, if you never use that feature, then it's a moot point. I use it all the time Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Ron Ferguson wrote: James, May I correct one oft repeated fallacy, that is that locations only sort correctly if a "standard" format is followed. Wrong, wrong, wrong!!! Legacy allows locations to be sorted from right to left, ie. Country>Cemetery, much more sensible than sorting from left to right. Provided one's locations are written from lowest to highest they will *always* sort correctly if right to left is set - at least for Western locations. Ron Ferguson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Exactly and if I want to add the country name through Expand/Contract Location Parts, it won't recognize it since I have only two parts and not three I was just giving an example of what happens when locations aren't formatted correctly and consistently. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 7:55 AM, CE WOOD wrote: > Sherry, if your list does not sort correctly when sorted right to left, > then it is because you did not include the country when you entered > "Scottsdale, AZ." > > *Left to **Right **:* > > Coventry, Warwickshire, England > > Coventry Castle, Warwickshire, England > > Coventry Priory, Warwickshire, England > > Callowden Manor, Coventry, Warwickshire England > > Chillesmore (Chaylesmore) Manor, Coventry, Warwickshire, England > > Coombe Abbey, Coventry, Warwickshire, England > > Greyfriars, Coventry, Warwickshire, England > > St. Michael's, Coventry, Warwickshire, England > > White Friars, Coventry, Warwickshire, England > > > > > > *Right to Left:* > > England, Warwickshire, Coventry, > > England, Warwickshire, Coventry Castle, > > England, Warwickshire, Coventry Priory, > > England, Warwickshire, Coventry, Callowden Manor > > England, Warwickshire, Coventry, Chillesmore (Chaylesmore) Manor > > England, Warwickshire, Coventry, Coombe Abbey > > England, Warwickshire, Coventry, Greyfriars > > England, Warwickshire, Coventry, St. Michael's > > England, Warwickshire, Coventry, White Friars > > > > Easy-peasy! > > > CE > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
But why ever would you not add the country name when you entered the location? CE From: she...@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 08:01:38 -0800 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Exactly and if I want to add the country name through Expand/Contract Location Parts, it won't recognize it since I have only two parts and not three I was just giving an example of what happens when locations aren't formatted correctly and consistently. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 7:55 AM, CE WOOD wrote: Sherry, if your list does not sort correctly when sorted right to left, then it is because you did not include the country when you entered "Scottsdale, AZ." Left to Right : Coventry, Warwickshire, England Coventry Castle, Warwickshire, England Coventry Priory, Warwickshire, England Callowden Manor, Coventry, Warwickshire England Chillesmore (Chaylesmore) Manor, Coventry, Warwickshire, England Coombe Abbey, Coventry, Warwickshire, England Greyfriars, Coventry, Warwickshire, England St. Michael's, Coventry, Warwickshire, England White Friars, Coventry, Warwickshire, England Right to Left: England, Warwickshire, Coventry, England, Warwickshire, Coventry Castle, England, Warwickshire, Coventry Priory, England, Warwickshire, Coventry, Callowden Manor England, Warwickshire, Coventry, Chillesmore (Chaylesmore) Manor England, Warwickshire, Coventry, Coombe Abbey England, Warwickshire, Coventry, Greyfriars England, Warwickshire, Coventry, St. Michael's England, Warwickshire, Coventry, White Friars Easy-peasy! CE Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Sherry, I said in a previous post that expand/contract would not work unless the four field convention is used. I do not know Albert Park, Victoria, Australia, but it has been said that they largely have only 3 fields, and if that location is the full one, then what would you do - stick some commas in to make it incorrect? Coming to England, what would you do with the correct Ashton-under-Lyne, Tameside, England, the current location, - historically Ashton-under-Lyne, Lancashire. England? Whatever you do will give an incorrect location, and I will not have errors in my locations, nor look like an ignoramus in reports/webpages. The choice is with the user. I have made mine, accuracy first. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Sherry/Support wrote: >Ron, > >If you don't have the four places or the locations aren't entered >consistently, then the list is not sorted correctly. I can't send a screen >shot to the list, but "Victoria, Australia" is not sorted with the other >countries - it's sorted up by "Scottsdale, AZ" (my locations are in a >jumble in my test file and not always formatted correctly for testing all >sorts of scenarios) and completely out of sequence with the other Australia >locations which have been created with three elements (Albert Park, >Victoria, Australia is one) > >Consistency is important > >Now if I use Expand/Contract Location Parts to shorten Australia to AUS >(for the Short Location Name), then it's not going to find *any* of them >because Legacy's not recognizing Australia as being in the country field. >Adding a comma wherever you're missing one of the governmental >jurisdictions does work. > >Like I said, if you never use that feature, then it's a moot point. I use >it all the time > > >Sincerely, >Sherry >Technical Support >Legacy Family Tree > > >On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Ron Ferguson >wrote: > >> James, >> >> May I correct one oft repeated fallacy, that is that locations only sort >> correctly if a "standard" format is followed. Wrong, wrong, wrong!!! >> >> Legacy allows locations to be sorted from right to left, ie. >> Country>Cemetery, much more sensible than sorting from left to right. >> >> Provided one's locations are written from lowest to highest they will >> *always* sort correctly if right to left is set - at least for Western >> locations. >> >> >> Ron Ferguson >> > > > >Legacy User Group guidelines: >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp >Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ >Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ >Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp >Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on >our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). >To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
On 2013/11/25 19:26, Ron Ferguson wrote: > > I said in a previous post that expand/contract would not work unless the four > field convention is used. > > I do not know Albert Park, Victoria, Australia, but it has been said that they > largely have only 3 fields, and if that location is the full one, then what > would you do - stick some commas in to make it incorrect? > > Coming to England, what would you do with the correct Ashton-under-Lyne, > Tameside, England, the current location, - historically Ashton-under-Lyne, > Lancashire. England? Whatever you do will give an incorrect location, and I > will > not have errors in my locations, nor look like an ignoramus in > reports/webpages. > > The choice is with the user. I have made mine, accuracy first. You and I are of like-minds in this one, Ron. I suspect the whole 4-part thing originated because of US institutions such as the DAR insisted on it and it has then become a de facto standard that no-one really wants. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
You'd be surprised at how many people don't. They think it's redundant and everyone knows what country their locations are in! Or their locations are all in one country. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 9:25 AM, CE WOOD wrote: > But why ever would you not add the country name when you entered the > location? > > > CE > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Yes, Ron, that's what I've been saying. It certainly might not be quite correct, but it works! If you put a comma in the front then you can remove leading commas when you create reports or webpages You can do whatever you want! I'm just saying. if you're going to use the Master Location List features I've been discussing, you need to have Legacy formatted in the manner that it was programmed for. Since I like to sort and expand/contract, it's easier for me to have the locations formatted consistently. If you don't use those features, it doesn't matter... And I do have a lot of international locations in my file - England, Germany, France, Netherlands, Australia To me, the name is important, not where my comma placement is! Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Ron Ferguson wrote: > Sherry, > > I said in a previous post that expand/contract would not work unless the > four field convention is used. > > I do not know Albert Park, Victoria, Australia, but it has been said that > they largely have only 3 fields, and if that location is the full one, then > what would you do - stick some commas in to make it incorrect? > > Coming to England, what would you do with the correct Ashton-under-Lyne, > Tameside, England, the current location, - historically Ashton-under-Lyne, > Lancashire. England? Whatever you do will give an incorrect location, and I > will not have errors in my locations, nor look like an ignoramus in > reports/webpages. > > The choice is with the user. I have made mine, accuracy first. > > Ron Ferguson > http://www.fergys.co.uk/ > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Well, if all locations are in one country, there would be no problem; counties/shires/provinces/whatever would sort easily. CE From: she...@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:59:40 -0800 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com You'd be surprised at how many people don't. They think it's redundant and everyone knows what country their locations are in! Or their locations are all in one country. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 9:25 AM, CE WOOD wrote: But why ever would you not add the country name when you entered the location? CE Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Sherry, I fully understand your priority of placing convenience (under the disguise of standardisation) before correctly entering the data. In the example which I gave leading commas are not relevant. England is treated as a country (correct), Tameside/Lanarkshire as a state (rubbish - we don't have them) and Ashton-under-Lyne as a county (more rubbish - it's a town). Inserting commas somewhere in the middle would be equally wrong, nothing is missing, nor are there any in the location. Sorry, I prefer to be accurate. To me the name is important not the commas. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Sherry/Support wrote: >Yes, Ron, that's what I've been saying. It certainly might not be quite >correct, but it works! > >If you put a comma in the front then you can remove leading commas when you >create reports or webpages > >You can do whatever you want! I'm just saying. if you're going to use >the Master Location List features I've been discussing, you need to have >Legacy formatted in the manner that it was programmed for. Since I like to >sort and expand/contract, it's easier for me to have the locations >formatted consistently. > >If you don't use those features, it doesn't matter... > >And I do have a lot of international locations in my file - England, >Germany, France, Netherlands, Australia > >To me, the name is important, not where my comma placement is! > >Sincerely, >Sherry >Technical Support >Legacy Family Tree > > >On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Ron Ferguson >wrote: > >> Sherry, >> >> I said in a previous post that expand/contract would not work unless the >> four field convention is used. >> >> I do not know Albert Park, Victoria, Australia, but it has been said that >> they largely have only 3 fields, and if that location is the full one, then >> what would you do - stick some commas in to make it incorrect? >> >> Coming to England, what would you do with the correct Ashton-under-Lyne, >> Tameside, England, the current location, - historically Ashton-under-Lyne, >> Lancashire. England? Whatever you do will give an incorrect location, and I >> will not have errors in my locations, nor look like an ignoramus in >> reports/webpages. >> >> The choice is with the user. I have made mine, accuracy first. >> >> Ron Ferguson >> http://www.fergys.co.uk/ >> > > > >Legacy User Group guidelines: >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp >Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ >Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ >Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp >Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on >our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). >To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Because when one starts out, at least in the USA, one has quite a way to go before you hit the 3-mile limit and NEED any country other than the USA. Entering USA 345 times seems unnecessary when one starts moving the data from hand-written or typed sheets into the database. Entering it AFTER one is on the other side of the 3-mile limit is even worse. (g) Cheryl CE WOOD wrote: > But why ever would you not add the country name when you > entered the location? > > > CE > > > From: she...@legacyfamilytree.com > Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 08:01:38 -0800 > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > > Exactly and if I want to add the country name through > Expand/Contract Location Parts, it won't recognize it since > I have only two parts and not three > > I was just giving an example of what happens when locations > aren't formatted correctly and consistently. > > Sincerely, > Sherry > Technical Support > Legacy Family Tree > > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 7:55 AM, CE WOOD <mailto:wood...@msn.com>> wrote: > > Sherry, if your list does not sort correctly when sorted > right to left, then it is because you did not include > the country when you entered "Scottsdale, AZ." > > *_Left to _**_Right _**_:_* > > Coventry, Warwickshire, England > > Coventry Castle, Warwickshire, England > > Coventry Priory, Warwickshire, England > > Callowden Manor, Coventry, Warwickshire England > > Chillesmore (Chaylesmore) Manor, Coventry, Warwickshire, > England > > Coombe Abbey, Coventry, Warwickshire, England > > Greyfriars, Coventry, Warwickshire, England > > St. Michael's, Coventry, Warwickshire, England > > White Friars, Coventry, Warwickshire, England > > > > > > _*Right to Left:*_ > > England, Warwickshire, Coventry, > > England, Warwickshire, Coventry Castle, > > England, Warwickshire, Coventry Priory, > > England, Warwickshire, Coventry, Callowden Manor > > England, Warwickshire, Coventry, Chillesmore > (Chaylesmore) Manor > > England, Warwickshire, Coventry, Coombe Abbey > > England, Warwickshire, Coventry, Greyfriars > > England, Warwickshire, Coventry, St. Michael's > > England, Warwickshire, Coventry, White Friars > > > > Easy-peasy! > > > CE Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Mike Fry wrote: > On 2013/11/25 19:26, Ron Ferguson wrote: >> >> I said in a previous post that expand/contract would not work unless the four >> field convention is used. >> >> I do not know Albert Park, Victoria, Australia, but it has been said that >> they >> largely have only 3 fields, and if that location is the full one, then what >> would you do - stick some commas in to make it incorrect? >> >> Coming to England, what would you do with the correct Ashton-under-Lyne, >> Tameside, England, the current location, - historically Ashton-under-Lyne, >> Lancashire. England? Whatever you do will give an incorrect location, and I >> will >> not have errors in my locations, nor look like an ignoramus in >> reports/webpages. >> >> The choice is with the user. I have made mine, accuracy first. > > You and I are of like-minds in this one, Ron. I suspect the whole 4-part thing > originated because of US institutions such as the DAR insisted on it and it > has > then become a de facto standard that no-one really wants. I rise in defence of DAR! (g) If there's anything their records were not until ca 1985, it was consistent. The timing of the 4-field thing suggests to me it was (a) the invention of GEDCOM itself or (b) the 80-chr$ punch-card that printed address labels. Cheryl Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
It is more a matter of where US jurisdictions store their vital records. In the USA those are created at and stored at the County level. For a US location then the County is vital to knowing where to look for a record. That is also the raison d'etre for such features as the US County verfier in Legacy since when a county boundary changes the old records do not move they are still in the records office of the county that existed at the time the record was created. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. On 25/11/2013 12:58 PM, Mike Fry wrote: snip > > You and I are of like-minds in this one, Ron. I suspect the whole 4-part thing > originated because of US institutions such as the DAR insisted on it and it > has > then become a de facto standard that no-one really wants. > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Hi Colette, I have been away from my computer for a few days and when I view all the replies to your letter I had to spend quite a while going through all 44 replies. Everyone who replied has brought up good points as to how you should enter your cemetery locations, each method used satisfies the specific needs for each individual. In short everyone is right. You should choose the method that works for you and be consistent with it. However, none of the 44 replies have answered your question (Is there any way I can see everyone who is buried at a certain cemetery grouped together?). I hope that this helps, 1) Click View at the top of your screen. 2) Click Master lists. 3) Click Location. 4) Click Options. 5) Untag all records. 6) Locate the cemetery or cemeteries you wish to do a report on. 7) Click the Tag box to the right of the cemetery. 7) Click Options again. 8) Click Print. 9) Click Location Report. 10) In the "Include tab" select under "Locations to print" click "Only tagged locations". 11) In the "What to print" section choose whatever you want in your report. 12) In the "Options" tab select what you want in your report. 13) Click the "Preview" button. If you are satisified with the preview than click the print button. I know that those of you who use the "Tag" feature will not want to untag all records but this is the only way that I can get it to print just the records that I want included in this report. Just to add my two cents to the 44 other replies mentioned above, I also enter the cemetery name into the Location Field. Example: Vis-En-Atrois British Cemetery, Haucourt, Nor-Pas-De-Calais, France Wildwood Cemetery, Wilmington, Middlesex County, Massachusetts, United States Winsloe North United Church Cemetery, Winsloe North, Lot 33, Queens County, Prince Edward Island, Canada I enter all these in the following format: Cemetery: Vis-En-Atrois, Haucourt, Nor-Pas-De-Calais, France Cemetery: Wildwood, Wilmington, Middlesex County, Massachusetts, United States Cemetery: Winsloe North United Church, Winsloe North, Lot 33, Queens County, Prince Edward Island, Canada As a general rule I have my Master Location list set up to sort from left to right, entering my cemeteries as listed above keeps all my cemeteries in the same place which makes it easier and faster for me to locate the proper cemetery. They will still sort from right to left but not in the same order as listed above. Example: Country, Province/State, County, Etc. For those who wish to enter information about a certain Cemetery just edit a Cemetery location in the Master Location List, there is a notes section included there where you can enter whatever you wish. Leo From: cowboyj...@msn.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 13:11:51 -0600 Good Day All Two weeks ago, I finally purchased Legacy Deluxe Edition (and about died waiting for the password code to arrive so I could download it without the CD!). I have had my tree on Ancestry for 13 years and did purchase Family Tree Maker about 2 years ago so I could sync my tree but for whatever reason mine wouldn't work after the first sync and they weren't able to resolve my problem so I just gave up. I wanted so bad to create reports and have been on the mailing list for Legacy for a long time, so I finally jumped in! I'm so glad I did! Needless to say, I have lots of cleaning up to do - especially with locations. I have been able to answer many of my questions by searching through the archives but I still have one issue that I haven't been able to resolve. I would like a report of burial locations - show me everyone who is buried in Cotton Valley Cemetery, Cotton Valley, Webster, Louisiana, USA. If I leave the cemetery name in the buried field, then it shows up in the location report as I want it - even if it is wrong because the location should be city, parish/county, state, country. I found Sherry's/Support message from 22 Nov 2010 that states she enters the burial information as a Cemetery Event (and her words - and you can do so much more with the Events Report). So when I changed 3 family members burial location to a Cemetery Event and created the report, it shows up as Alpha Name of the individuals and not grouped together by cemetery. Is there any way I can see everyone who is buried at a certain cemetery grouped together? Thanks so much for any assistance you can provide to this newbie! I look forward to many happy hours with Legacy! Colette Alfred-Sikes Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: htt
RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Hi Leo et al, Thank you for your detailed instructions on how to preview a list of people using one location that is great! However it does not seem to be in chronological order, how do I do that please? Loving L8 so far! Thank you guys for your hard work. Many thanks, Jemima From: Leo MacDonald [mailto:macdonald...@hotmail.com] Sent: 26 November 2013 00:19 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Hi Colette, I have been away from my computer for a few days and when I view all the replies to your letter I had to spend quite a while going through all 44 replies. Everyone who replied has brought up good points as to how you should enter your cemetery locations, each method used satisfies the specific needs for each individual. In short everyone is right. You should choose the method that works for you and be consistent with it. However, none of the 44 replies have answered your question (Is there any way I can see everyone who is buried at a certain cemetery grouped together?). I hope that this helps, 1) Click View at the top of your screen. 2) Click Master lists. 3) Click Location. 4) Click Options. 5) Untag all records. 6) Locate the cemetery or cemeteries you wish to do a report on. 7) Click the Tag box to the right of the cemetery. 7) Click Options again. 8) Click Print. 9) Click Location Report. 10) In the "Include tab" select under "Locations to print" click "Only tagged locations". 11) In the "What to print" section choose whatever you want in your report. 12) In the "Options" tab select what you want in your report. 13) Click the "Preview" button. If you are satisified with the preview than click the print button. I know that those of you who use the "Tag" feature will not want to untag all records but this is the only way that I can get it to print just the records that I want included in this report. Just to add my two cents to the 44 other replies mentioned above, I also enter the cemetery name into the Location Field. Example: Vis-En-Atrois British Cemetery, Haucourt, Nor-Pas-De-Calais, France Wildwood Cemetery, Wilmington, Middlesex County, Massachusetts, United States Winsloe North United Church Cemetery, Winsloe North, Lot 33, Queens County, Prince Edward Island, Canada I enter all these in the following format: Cemetery: Vis-En-Atrois, Haucourt, Nor-Pas-De-Calais, France Cemetery: Wildwood, Wilmington, Middlesex County, Massachusetts, United States Cemetery: Winsloe North United Church, Winsloe North, Lot 33, Queens County, Prince Edward Island, Canada As a general rule I have my Master Location list set up to sort from left to right, entering my cemeteries as listed above keeps all my cemeteries in the same place which makes it easier and faster for me to locate the proper cemetery. They will still sort from right to left but not in the same order as listed above. Example: Country, Province/State, County, Etc. For those who wish to enter information about a certain Cemetery just edit a Cemetery location in the Master Location List, there is a notes section included there where you can enter whatever you wish. Leo Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Hi all, There hasn’t been a response to my query – does anyone know please? If not, then I will request a feature on this. Thanks, Jemima From: Ardenholme Genealogy [mailto:geneal...@ardenholme.co.uk] Sent: 01 December 2013 10:13 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Hi Leo et al, Thank you for your detailed instructions on how to preview a list of people using one location that is great! However it does not seem to be in chronological order, how do I do that please? Loving L8 so far! Thank you guys for your hard work. Many thanks, Jemima From: Leo MacDonald [mailto:macdonald...@hotmail.com] Sent: 26 November 2013 00:19 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Hi Colette, 1) Click View at the top of your screen. 2) Click Master lists. 3) Click Location. 4) Click Options. 5) Untag all records. 6) Locate the cemetery or cemeteries you wish to do a report on. 7) Click the Tag box to the right of the cemetery. 7) Click Options again. 8) Click Print. 9) Click Location Report. 10) In the "Include tab" select under "Locations to print" click "Only tagged locations". 11) In the "What to print" section choose whatever you want in your report. 12) In the "Options" tab select what you want in your report. 13) Click the "Preview" button. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Perhaps, I am too simplistic, but I include the burial, even the name of the cemetery in the burial position on the profile of that person. Orinda On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Ardenholme Genealogy < geneal...@ardenholme.co.uk> wrote: > Hi all, > > > > There hasn’t been a response to my query – does anyone know please? > > > > If not, then I will request a feature on this. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jemima > > > > *From:* Ardenholme Genealogy [mailto:geneal...@ardenholme.co.uk] > *Sent:* 01 December 2013 10:13 > *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event > > > > Hi Leo et al, > > > > Thank you for your detailed instructions on how to preview a list of > people using one location that is great! > > > > However it does not seem to be in chronological order, how do I do that > please? > > > > Loving L8 so far! Thank you guys for your hard work. > > > > Many thanks, > > > > Jemima > > > > *From:* Leo MacDonald > [mailto:macdonald...@hotmail.com] > > *Sent:* 26 November 2013 00:19 > *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event > > > > Hi Colette, > > > > > 1) Click View at the top of your screen. > 2) Click Master lists. > 3) Click Location. > 4) Click Options. > 5) Untag all records. > 6) Locate the cemetery or cemeteries you wish to do a report on. > 7) Click the Tag box to the right of the cemetery. > 7) Click Options again. > 8) Click Print. > 9) Click Location Report. > 10) In the "Include tab" select under "Locations to print" click "Only > tagged locations". > 11) In the "What to print" section choose whatever you want in your report. > 12) In the "Options" tab select what you want in your report. > 13) Click the "Preview" button. > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and > on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Leo recommended a Location report since you record the cemetery as part of your burial locations. There is no way to sort that report by date since there can be a multitude of dates for a single person's use of a location. Remember this report is for all locations and the "standard" is to use town names as the location so the same person could have a many events in the same location if they lived their entire life in one place. You specific use of the report may mean there is only one use of the location by each person but that is not the way most users will use the report. You would be better to create a search list of people where the burial location contains your cemetery name. A report for a search list can be exported as a csv (comma separated values) file which can be imported into any spreadsheet program. Once you have imported the file into a spreadsheet you can sort the sheet by the burial date. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 05/12/2013 10:27 AM, Ardenholme Genealogy wrote:> Hi all, > > There hasn’t been a response to my query – does anyone know please? > > If not, then I will request a feature on this. > > Thanks, > Jemima > > From: Ardenholme Genealogy [mailto:geneal...@ardenholme.co.uk] > Sent: 01 December 2013 10:13 > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event > > Hi Leo et al, > > Thank you for your detailed instructions on how to preview a list of people > using one location that is great! > > However it does not seem to be in chronological order, how do I do that > please? > > From: Leo MacDonald [mailto:macdonald...@hotmail.com] > Sent: 26 November 2013 00:19 > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event > > Hi Colette, > > 1) Click View at the top of your screen. > 2) Click Master lists. > 3) Click Location. > 4) Click Options. > 5) Untag all records. > 6) Locate the cemetery or cemeteries you wish to do a report on. > 7) Click the Tag box to the right of the cemetery. > 7) Click Options again. > 8) Click Print. > 9) Click Location Report. > 10) In the "Include tab" select under "Locations to print" click "Only tagged > locations". > 11) In the "What to print" section choose whatever you want in your report. > 12) In the "Options" tab select what you want in your report. > 13) Click the "Preview" button. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Thanks, Randy--I hadn't tried this before. >From this point, Colette, you can tag the individuals or create a search list, >and then report to your heart's content. ;) --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: Randy Clark To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event View Master Lists Address Lists Event Choose Cotton Valley Cemetery Show List On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 2:11 PM, COLETTE SIKES wrote: >Good Day All > >Two weeks ago, I finally purchased Legacy Deluxe Edition (and about died waiting for the password code to arrive so I could download it without the CD!). I have had my tree on Ancestry for 13 years and did purchase Family Tree Maker about 2 years ago so I could sync my tree but for whatever reason mine wouldn't work after the first sync and they weren't able to resolve my problem so I just gave up. I wanted so bad to create reports and have been on the mailing list for Legacy for a long time, so I finally jumped in! I'm so glad I did! Needless to say, I have lots of cleaning up to do - especially with locations. > >I have been able to answer many of my questions by searching through the archives but I still have one issue that I haven't been able to resolve. I would like a report of burial locations - show me everyone who is buried in Cotton Valley Cemetery, Cotton Valley, Webster, Louisiana, USA. If I leave the cemetery name in the buried field, then it shows up in the location report as I want it - even if it is wrong because the location should be city, parish/county, state, country. > >I found Sherry's/Support message from 22 Nov 2010 that states she enters the burial information as a Cemetery Event (and her words - and you can do so much more with the Events Report). So when I changed 3 family members burial location to a Cemetery Event and created the report, it shows up as Alpha Name of the individuals and not grouped together by cemetery. > >Is there any way I can see everyone who is buried at a certain cemetery grouped together? > >Thanks so much for any assistance you can provide to this newbie! I look forward to many happy hours with Legacy! > >Colette Alfred-Sikes > >Legacy User Group guidelines: >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp >Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ >Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ >Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp >Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on >our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). >To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Or, since the cemetery location would also be used for other individuals, you can use the individual's burial notes to record the transcription, plot #, etc., right? Or is that what you meant, CE? --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: CE WOOD To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 11:00 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Yes. But there is no need for another event; you can do all that if you have the cemetery as the location for the Burial Event. CE From: mich...@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 21:53:49 -0500 I don’t put cemetery names in the burial field. I use a separate Cemetery event. Why? Because I can use the notes area of the event to put the transcription of the marker and any other notes such as “grave is unmarked” or the section and plot number or even information about who all is buried in the same plot. I also attach a photo of the marker. Michele Technical Support mich...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Alan, that is a great point. However, although my dad was cremated, his ashes have been "inurned" (yes, I believe that is the term the funeral home used!), so I do have "burial" information, including the cemetery. In this case, I have not considered also adding a cremation event. (I'm not even sure I know exactly when that occurred.) --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: Alan Pereira To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 1:24 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Although Legacy allows you to change the Burial Event to a Cremation, this gets changed back to a Burial Event in a non-Legacy GEDCOM export. Using a separate cremation event overcomes this potential problem. I prefer to leave the Burial event blank and add a Cremation Event to ensure Gedcom compatibility. I use the Burial event only when I know there has been a genuine Burial. Alan Pereira From:CE WOOD [mailto:wood...@msn.com] Sent: 24 November 2013 05:00 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Yes. But there is no need for another event; you can do all that if you have the cemetery as the location for the Burial Event. CE From: mich...@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 21:53:49 -0500 I don’t put cemetery names in the burial field. I use a separate Cemetery event. Why? Because I can use the notes area of the event to put the transcription of the marker and any other notes such as “grave is unmarked” or the section and plot number or even information about who all is buried in the same plot. I also attach a photo of the marker. Michele Technical Support mich...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com From:Paul Kean [mailto:pauljk...@yahoo.com.au] Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 5:07 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Sherry, I don't disagree with your reasoning about the lists and sorting these. However, shouldn't this concept also be extended to other 'events' as well. In Australia, we only use a 3-place addressing system, so its really easy to slip in a patten of using a church or graveyard etc in that top level. Coming from a Christian background, I have lots of marriages and christenings and other events that take place in Churches, which would have a similar issue. So, would you advocate using a real event for each of these. Thanks ..Paul Kean Melbourne, Australia > > >From:Sherry/Support >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Sent: Sunday, 24 November 2013 7:43 AM >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event > >The reason why I recommend *not* to put the cemetery name in the location >field is that it messes up sorts in the Master Location List as well as the >"Expand/Contraction Location Parts" tool if you have entered it as >Riverview Cemetery, South Bend, St. Joseph, Indiana, United States > >Some people who want the cemetery in the location field will enter it as >Riverview Cemetery-South Bend, St. Joseph, Indiana, United States > >in order to retain the 4-place settings that are required for the proper sort >and Expand/Contract. > >Geoff uses the Burial Address but I don't find that flexible enough for >reports. >We realize that the 4-place governmental jurisdictions don't always apply for >locations outside of the US. In my file, I have utilized commas to keep the >four places so I can do a good sort or use the Expand/Contract. > > >Sincerely, >Sherry >Technical Support >Legacy Family Tree > >On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 12:26 PM, singhals wrote: >Sherry's probably in the majority, but FMPOV "Wrong" is >>highly subjective, and if it floats your boat or fills some >>need you have, put the cemetery name into the burial place >>field. I'd've personally thought that was where it should go >>anyway. >> >>Cheryl >> >>COLETTE SIKES wrote: >>> Good Day All >>> Two weeks ago, I finally purchased Legacy Deluxe Edition >>> (and about died waiting for the password code to arrive so I >>> could download it without the CD!). I have had my tree on >>> Ancestry f
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Excellent idea, Mike! Thx. I was also going to mention to Pam that the output is the most important thing; how your information comes OUT of the application should be your driving force. To that end, enter a couple of cemeteries in the locations list, and a couple as burial addresses. Then enter one or two individuals' information using all 4 of those options. Then run reports, including your GEDCOM, to see what you like--what meets your needs. A "sandbox" database is the perfect place to do this sort of testing. --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: Mike Fry To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 5:54 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event On 2013/11/25 13:48, Rose Hatten wrote: > Pam, there's a Sample database that comes with Legacy. You might want to > test your thoughts on that, changing one thing or another and looking at the > reports to see if you like the output. That way you won't mess up your data, > and you can get an idea about how each of the options have an effect on > sorting, reporting, GEDCOM exporting, and the like. The Sample database, whilst instructive, often doesn't mean as much to people as it does to Geoff. My recommendation to people is to create a cut-down version of your own database and call it Sandbox. This is where you can play and experiment to your heart's content without harming the main object of your affections. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Yes, short-sighted though I may be, I have not entered "United States of America" on my locations in the US. ;) --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: Sherry/Support To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event You'd be surprised at how many people don't. They think it's redundant and everyone knows what country their locations are in! Or their locations are all in one country. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 9:25 AM, CE WOOD wrote: But why ever would you not add the country name when you entered the location? > > >CE > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Paula, I think with the exception of Georgia, the names of the states in the US are different from any current country in the world, so the confusion should be minimal when leaving out the country for US locations. That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinistic. but is reasonable if the bulk of your audience is US based. I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the ", UK" as that reads better in reports. Global organizations like FamilySearch will require the United States be added. It is all personal choice in the long run, unless you are working as a professional for a client and have to conform to their standards. The key is to be consistent. They you can change it more easily! john. At 03:03 PM 12/5/2013, Paula Ryburn wrote: Yes, short-sighted though I may be, I have not entered "United States of America" on my locations in the US. ;) --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: Sherry/Support To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event You'd be surprised at how many people don't. They think it's redundant and everyone knows what country their locations are in! Or their locations are all in one country. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 9:25 AM, CE WOOD <wood...@msn.com> wrote: But why ever would you not add the country name when you entered the location? CE Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook ( http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog ( http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines:http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.aspArchived messages after Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.aspFollow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com).To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Oh dear, John. There are times when I wonder where you are coming from. Take your first two paragraphs, you mention Georgia as being an exception, you may be right, I don’t know, or even care, but the rest of the world do not know what states the abbreviations stand for. Then you go on “That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinistic”, well it is not sort of chauvinistic – it is! You go on with respect to ourselves, The Brits, and Ireland: “I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the ", UK" as that reads better in reports.” Well, I don’t know what a “shore name is, perhaps an American GeoDB invention to cover countries which do not fit the American pattern. But then I don’t use the Geo9DB for anywhere outside of the USA, because for most places it doesn’t work. You illustrate this perfectly by adding UK to its constituent COUNTRIES, and even worse append it to two countries that are not, and never had been part of the UK viz. The Isle of Man and the Channel Isles. For Information, We are The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The geographical area (not political nor state) of Great Britain comprises England, Scotland and Wales. Got it – A united *kingdom* – a place united under a king (or to be non-sexist a monarchy). The Principality of Wales was created by William 1 who gave it to his son. and subsequently Scotland in 1707 and Ireland joined, initially the Kingdom of GB and subsequently the UK. I very much regret if the facts interfere with convenience, but then we have never accepted the rewriting of history by anyone. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: John B. Lisle Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 8:48 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Paula, I think with the exception of Georgia, the names of the states in the US are different from any current country in the world, so the confusion should be minimal when leaving out the country for US locations. That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinistic. but is reasonable if the bulk of your audience is US based. I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the ", UK" as that reads better in reports. Global organizations like FamilySearch will require the United States be added. It is all personal choice in the long run, unless you are working as a professional for a client and have to conform to their standards. The key is to be consistent. They you can change it more easily! john. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Thankyou Ron, I was waiting for you to step in, knowing your explanation would be far greater than mine. (I think shore was meant to be short) Regards Shirley NZ - Original Message - From: Ron Ferguson To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Oh dear, John. There are times when I wonder where you are coming from. Take your first two paragraphs, you mention Georgia as being an exception, you may be right, I don’t know, or even care, but the rest of the world do not know what states the abbreviations stand for. Then you go on “That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinistic”, well it is not sort of chauvinistic – it is! You go on with respect to ourselves, The Brits, and Ireland: “I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the ", UK" as that reads better in reports.” Well, I don’t know what a “shore name is, perhaps an American GeoDB invention to cover countries which do not fit the American pattern. But then I don’t use the Geo9DB for anywhere outside of the USA, because for most places it doesn’t work. You illustrate this perfectly by adding UK to its constituent COUNTRIES, and even worse append it to two countries that are not, and never had been part of the UK viz. The Isle of Man and the Channel Isles. For Information, We are The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The geographical area (not political nor state) of Great Britain comprises England, Scotland and Wales. Got it – A united *kingdom* – a place united under a king (or to be non-sexist a monarchy). The Principality of Wales was created by William 1 who gave it to his son. and subsequently Scotland in 1707 and Ireland joined, initially the Kingdom of GB and subsequently the UK. I very much regret if the facts interfere with convenience, but then we have never accepted the rewriting of history by anyone. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: John B. Lisle Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 8:48 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Paula, I think with the exception of Georgia, the names of the states in the US are different from any current country in the world, so the confusion should be minimal when leaving out the country for US locations. That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinistic. but is reasonable if the bulk of your audience is US based. I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the ", UK" as that reads better in reports. Global organizations like FamilySearch will require the United States be added. It is all personal choice in the long run, unless you are working as a professional for a client and have to conform to their standards. The key is to be consistent. They you can change it more easily! john. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Oh, Aye, Thanks, Shirley. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: Shirley Richardson Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:39 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Thankyou Ron, I was waiting for you to step in, knowing your explanation would be far greater than mine. (I think shore was meant to be short) Regards Shirley NZ - Original Message - From: Ron Ferguson To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Oh dear, John. There are times when I wonder where you are coming from. Take your first two paragraphs, you mention Georgia as being an exception, you may be right, I don’t know, or even care, but the rest of the world do not know what states the abbreviations stand for. Then you go on “That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinistic”, well it is not sort of chauvinistic – it is! You go on with respect to ourselves, The Brits, and Ireland: “I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the ", UK" as that reads better in reports.” Well, I don’t know what a “shore name is, perhaps an American GeoDB invention to cover countries which do not fit the American pattern. But then I don’t use the Geo9DB for anywhere outside of the USA, because for most places it doesn’t work. You illustrate this perfectly by adding UK to its constituent COUNTRIES, and even worse append it to two countries that are not, and never had been part of the UK viz. The Isle of Man and the Channel Isles. For Information, We are The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The geographical area (not political nor state) of Great Britain comprises England, Scotland and Wales. Got it – A united *kingdom* – a place united under a king (or to be non-sexist a monarchy). The Principality of Wales was created by William 1 who gave it to his son. and subsequently Scotland in 1707 and Ireland joined, initially the Kingdom of GB and subsequently the UK. I very much regret if the facts interfere with convenience, but then we have never accepted the rewriting of history by anyone. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: John B. Lisle Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 8:48 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Paula, I think with the exception of Georgia, the names of the states in the US are different from any current country in the world, so the confusion should be minimal when leaving out the country for US locations. That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinistic. but is reasonable if the bulk of your audience is US based. I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the ", UK" as that reads better in reports. Global organizations like FamilySearch will require the United States be added. It is all personal choice in the long run, unless you are working as a professional for a client and have to conform to their standards. The key is to be consistent. They you can change it more easily! john. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Ron, I think I’ll enshrine that reply on the wall. Said with monarchic suave. I don’t think we’ll ever teach the Americans geography. Sufficient to know that we know better. Bryan NZ (and thanks, Shirley) Sent from Windows Mail From: Ron Ferguson Sent: Friday, December 6, 2013 2:21 PM To: Legacy Oh, Aye, Thanks, Shirley. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: Shirley Richardson Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:39 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Thankyou Ron, I was waiting for you to step in, knowing your explanation would be far greater than mine. (I think shore was meant to be short) Regards Shirley NZ - Original Message - From: Ron Ferguson To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Oh dear, John. There are times when I wonder where you are coming from. Take your first two paragraphs, you mention Georgia as being an exception, you may be right, I don’t know, or even care, but the rest of the world do not know what states the abbreviations stand for. Then you go on “That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinistic”, well it is not sort of chauvinistic – it is! You go on with respect to ourselves, The Brits, and Ireland: “I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the ", UK" as that reads better in reports.” Well, I don’t know what a “shore name is, perhaps an American GeoDB invention to cover countries which do not fit the American pattern. But then I don’t use the Geo9DB for anywhere outside of the USA, because for most places it doesn’t work. You illustrate this perfectly by adding UK to its constituent COUNTRIES, and even worse append it to two countries that are not, and never had been part of the UK viz. The Isle of Man and the Channel Isles. For Information, We are The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The geographical area (not political nor state) of Great Britain comprises England, Scotland and Wales. Got it – A united *kingdom* – a place united under a king (or to be non-sexist a monarchy). The Principality of Wales was created by William 1 who gave it to his son. and subsequently Scotland in 1707 and Ireland joined, initially the Kingdom of GB and subsequently the UK. I very much regret if the facts interfere with convenience, but then we have never accepted the rewriting of history by anyone. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: John B. Lisle Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 8:48 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Paula, I think with the exception of Georgia, the names of the states in the US are different from any current country in the world, so the confusion should be minimal when leaving out the country for US locations. That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinistic. but is reasonable if the bulk of your audience is US based. I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the ", UK" as that reads better in reports. Global organizations like FamilySearch will require the United States be added. It is all personal choice in the long run, unless you are working as a professional for a client and have to conform to their standards. The key is to be consistent. They you can change it more easily! john. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) an
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Perhaps they should consider this. Britain for he uninitiated http://explore.noodle.org/post/21512465875/because-one-must-know-the-difference-between-the Boyd On 6/12/2013 3:52 p.m., Bryan Pratt wrote: > Ron, I think I’ll enshrine that reply on the wall. Said with monarchic > suave. I don’t think we’ll ever teach the Americans geography. > Sufficient to know that we know better. > > Bryan > NZ > (and thanks, Shirley) > > Sent from Windows Mail > > *From:* Ron Ferguson <mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk> > *Sent:* ‎Friday‎, ‎December‎ ‎6‎, ‎2013 ‎2‎:‎21‎ ‎PM > *To:* Legacy <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com> > > Oh, Aye, > Thanks, Shirley. > Ron Ferguson > http://www.fergys.co.uk/ > *From:* Shirley Richardson <mailto:shirleyr...@clear.net.nz> > *Sent:* Friday, December 06, 2013 12:39 AM > *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com> > *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event > Thankyou Ron, I was waiting for you to step in, knowing your > explanation would be far greater than mine. > (I think /shore /was meant to be /short/) > Regards > Shirley > NZ > > - Original Message - > *From:* Ron Ferguson <mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk> > *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com> > *Sent:* Friday, December 06, 2013 1:17 PM > *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event > Oh dear, John. There are times when I wonder where you are coming > from. Take your first two paragraphs, you mention Georgia as > being an exception, you may be right, I don’t know, or even care, > but the rest of the world do not know what states the > abbreviations stand for. Then you go on “That said, leaving out > the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinisticâ€, well it is > not sort of chauvinistic – it is! > You go on with respect to ourselves, The Brits, and Ireland: > “I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, > Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland > (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The > GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off > the ", UK" as that reads better in reports.†> Well, I don’t know what a “shore name is, perhaps an American > GeoDB invention to cover countries which do not fit the American > pattern. But then I don’t use the Geo9DB for anywhere outside of > the USA, because for most places it doesn’t work. > You illustrate this perfectly by adding UK to its constituent > COUNTRIES, and even worse append it to two countries that are not, > and never had been part of the UK viz. The Isle of Man and the > Channel Isles. > For Information, We are The United Kingdom of Great Britain and > Northern Ireland. The geographical area (not political nor state) > of Great Britain comprises England, Scotland and Wales. Got it – A > united *kingdom* – a place united under a king (or to be > non-sexist a monarchy). > The Principality of Wales was created by William 1 who gave it to > his son. and subsequently Scotland in 1707 and Ireland joined, > initially the Kingdom of GB and subsequently the UK. > I very much regret if the facts interfere with convenience, but > then we have never accepted the rewriting of history by anyone. > Ron Ferguson > http://www.fergys.co.uk/ > *From:* John B. Lisle <mailto:leg...@tqsi.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, December 05, 2013 8:48 PM > *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com> > *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event > Paula, > > I think with the exception of Georgia, the names of the states in > the US are different from any current country in the world, so the > confusion should be minimal when leaving out the country for US > locations. > > That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of > chauvinistic. but is reasonable if the bulk of your audience is US > based. > > I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, > Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland > (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The > GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off > the ", UK" as that reads better in reports. > > Global organizations like FamilySearch will require the United > States be added. It is all personal choice in the lon
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Ron Is there a good source for UK current location hierarchy on-line anywhere, or published? After a bit of research, I think we are hung up on semantics. In the UK, the top-level entity is the “United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland”. That is the formal name and how it is listed on the list of member “countries” of the United Nations. At the second-level are the Countries of England, Scotland and Wales, the region/province/country of Northern Ireland (none of which are independent members of the United Nations), and also the British Crown Dependencies of Isle of Man, Bailiwick of Guernsey, and Bailiwick of Jersey (latter two are separate parts of the Channel Islands), and 14 British Overseas Territories (Bermuda, Cayman Islands, Falkland Islands, etc). So while we need to be mindful of the terminology, the top 2 levels of the structure still work for both the US and the UK. In case you hadn’t noticed, locations are a bag of worms even within the US. The US also has territories such as Puerto Rico, Guam, and American Samoa. The District of Columbia is a special case. None of these are states, but all of them are second-level locations. Louisiana doesn’t have “counties”, they have “parishes”. There are plenty of towns and cities that straddle county lines, some states have townships which fall somewhere between a town and a county, and then there is New York City which encompasses 5 counties usually referred to as boroughs. The state of Virginia has “Independent Cities” which are not considered part of any county, even if they’re geographically located fully within a county. Bottom line is, I think John’s hierarchy for UK locations works well and is accurate (except for the Channel Islands which should be separated to Guernsey and Jersey). BTW, I think “shore” name was just a typo for “short” name. Perhaps we should change our terminology for the top-level to “Nation” (consistent with UN) and the second-level to “Country/State/Province/Territory”. That’s a bit long, so maybe it needs to be a location specific option. Probably need location specific labels for the remaining levels as well. From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 6:18 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Oh dear, John. There are times when I wonder where you are coming from. Take your first two paragraphs, you mention Georgia as being an exception, you may be right, I don’t know, or even care, but the rest of the world do not know what states the abbreviations stand for. Then you go on “That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinistic”, well it is not sort of chauvinistic – it is! You go on with respect to ourselves, The Brits, and Ireland: “I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the ", UK" as that reads better in reports.” Well, I don’t know what a “shore name is, perhaps an American GeoDB invention to cover countries which do not fit the American pattern. But then I don’t use the Geo9DB for anywhere outside of the USA, because for most places it doesn’t work. You illustrate this perfectly by adding UK to its constituent COUNTRIES, and even worse append it to two countries that are not, and never had been part of the UK viz. The Isle of Man and the Channel Isles. For Information, We are The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The geographical area (not political nor state) of Great Britain comprises England, Scotland and Wales. Got it – A united *kingdom* – a place united under a king (or to be non-sexist a monarchy). The Principality of Wales was created by William 1 who gave it to his son. and subsequently Scotland in 1707 and Ireland joined, initially the Kingdom of GB and subsequently the UK. I very much regret if the facts interfere with convenience, but then we have never accepted the rewriting of history by anyone. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: John B. Lisle <mailto:leg...@tqsi.com> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 8:48 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Paula, I think with the exception of Georgia, the names of the states in the US are different from any current country in the world, so the confusion should be minimal when leaving out the country for US locations. That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinistic. but is reasonable if the bulk of your audience is US based. I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and us
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OK, this little blurb explains why the British Crown Dependencies and the British Overseas Territories are technically not part of the United Kingdom, but they are part of “The Crown” and there is still some support and oversight provided by the UK. I think it is still fair to treat them as second-level entities under the UK umbrella. From: Boyd Miller [mailto:bo...@vodafone.net.nz] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:45 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Perhaps they should consider this. Britain for he uninitiated http://explore.noodle.org/post/21512465875/because-one-must-know-the-difference-between-the Boyd On 6/12/2013 3:52 p.m., Bryan Pratt wrote: Ron, I think I’ll enshrine that reply on the wall. Said with monarchic suave. I don’t think we’ll ever teach the Americans geography. Sufficient to know that we know better. Bryan NZ (and thanks, Shirley) Sent from Windows Mail From: Ron Ferguson <mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk> Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎December‎ ‎6‎, ‎2013 ‎2‎:‎21‎ ‎PM To: Legacy <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com> Oh, Aye,  Thanks, Shirley.  Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/   From: Shirley Richardson <mailto:shirleyr...@clear.net.nz> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:39 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event  Thankyou Ron, I was waiting for you to step in, knowing your explanation would be far greater than mine.  (I think shore was meant to be short)  Regards Shirley NZ - Original Message - From: Ron Ferguson <mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event   Oh dear, John. There are times when I wonder where you are coming from. Take your first two paragraphs, you mention Georgia as being an exception, you may be right, I don’t know, or even care, but the rest of the world do not know what states the abbreviations stand for. Then you go on “That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinisticâ€, well it is not sort of chauvinistic – it is!  You go on with respect to ourselves, The Brits, and Ireland:  “I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the ", UK" as that reads better in reports.† Well, I don’t know what a “shore name is, perhaps an American GeoDB invention to cover countries which do not fit the American pattern. But then I don’t use the Geo9DB for anywhere outside of the USA, because for most places it doesn’t work.  You illustrate this perfectly by adding UK to its constituent COUNTRIES, and even worse append it to two countries that are not, and never had been part of the UK viz. The Isle of Man and the Channel Isles.  For Information, We are The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The geographical area (not political nor state) of Great Britain comprises England, Scotland and Wales. Got it – A united *kingdom* – a place united under a king (or to be non-sexist a monarchy).  The Principality of Wales was created by William 1 who gave it to his son. and subsequently Scotland in 1707 and Ireland joined, initially the Kingdom of GB and subsequently the UK.  I very much regret if the facts interfere with convenience, but then we have never accepted the rewriting of history by anyone.  Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/   From: John B. Lisle <mailto:leg...@tqsi.com> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 8:48 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event  Paula, I think with the exception of Georgia, the names of the states in the US are different from any current country in the world, so the confusion should be minimal when leaving out the country for US locations. That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinistic. but is reasonable if the bulk of your audience is US based. I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the ", UK" as that reads better in reports. Global organizations like FamilySearch will require the United States be added. It is all personal choice in the long run, unless you are working as a professional for a client and have to conform to their standards. The key is to be consistent. They you can change it more easily! john. Legacy User
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Accuracy is of the utmost importance in genealogy. Without that, we in the United State of America could be considered British, and Maine still part of Massachusetts! Try this for clarity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:British_Isles_Euler_diagram_15.svg CE From: kurt-kneel...@sbcglobal.net To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 22:14:22 -0600 OK, this little blurb explains why the British Crown Dependencies and the British Overseas Territories are technically not part of the United Kingdom, but they are part of “The Crown” and there is still some support and oversight provided by the UK. I think it is still fair to treat them as second-level entities under the UK umbrella. From: Boyd Miller [mailto:bo...@vodafone.net.nz] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:45 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Perhaps they should consider this. Britain for he uninitiated http://explore.noodle.org/post/21512465875/because-one-must-know-the-difference-between-theBoyd On 6/12/2013 3:52 p.m., Bryan Pratt wrote:Ron, I think I’ll enshrine that reply on the wall. Said with monarchic suave. I don’t think we’ll ever teach the Americans geography. Sufficient to know that we know better. BryanNZ(and thanks, Shirley) Sent from Windows Mail From: Ron Ferguson Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎December‎ ‎6‎, ‎2013 ‎2‎:‎21‎ ‎PM To: Legacy Oh, Aye, Thanks, Shirley. Ron Fergusonhttp://www.fergys.co.uk/  From: Shirley Richardson Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:39 AMTo: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Thankyou Ron, I was waiting for you to step in, knowing your explanation would be far greater than mine. (I think shore was meant to be short)  RegardsShirleyNZ- Original Message - From: Ron Ferguson To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 1:17 PMSubject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event  Oh dear, John. There are times when I wonder where you are coming from. Take your first two paragraphs, you mention Georgia as being an exception, you may be right, I don’t know, or even care, but the rest of the world do not know what states the abbreviations stand for. Then you go on “That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinisticâ€, well it is not sort of chauvinistic – it is! You go on with respect to ourselves, The Brits, and Ireland: “I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the ", UK" as that reads better in reports.â€Â Well, I don’t know what a “shore name is, perhaps an American GeoDB invention to cover countries which do not fit the American pattern. But then I don’t use the Geo9DB for anywhere outside of the USA, because for most places it doesn’t work. You illustrate this perfectly by adding UK to its constituent COUNTRIES, and even worse append it to two countries that are not, and never had been part of the UK viz. The Isle of Man and the Channel Isles. For Information, We are The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The geographical area (not political nor state) of Great Britain comprises England, Scotland and Wales. Got it – A united *kingdom* – a place united under a king (or to be non-sexist a monarchy). The Principality of Wales was created by William 1 who gave it to his son. and subsequently Scotland in 1707 and Ireland joined, initially the Kingdom of GB and subsequently the UK. I very much regret if the facts interfere with convenience, but then we have never accepted the rewriting of history by anyone. Ron Fergusonhttp://www.fergys.co.uk/  From: John B. Lisle Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 8:48 PMTo: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Paula, I think with the exception of Georgia, the names of the states in the US are different from any current country in the world, so the confusion should be minimal when leaving out the country for US locations. That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinistic. but is reasonable if the bulk of your audience is US based. I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the ", UK" as that reads better in reports. Global organizations like FamilySearch will require the United States be added. It is all personal choice in the long run, unless you are working as a professio
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:British_Isles_Euler_diagram_15.svg CE From: kurt-kneel...@sbcglobal.net To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 21:46:20 -0600 RonIs there a good source for UK current location hierarchy on-line anywhere, or published? After a bit of research, I think we are hung up on semantics. In the UK, the top-level entity is the “United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland”. That is the formal name and how it is listed on the list of member “countries” of the United Nations. At the second-level are the Countries of England, Scotland and Wales, the region/province/country of Northern Ireland (none of which are independent members of the United Nations), and also the British Crown Dependencies of Isle of Man, Bailiwick of Guernsey, and Bailiwick of Jersey (latter two are separate parts of the Channel Islands), and 14 British Overseas Territories (Bermuda, Cayman Islands, Falkland Islands, etc). So while we need to be mindful of the terminology, the top 2 levels of the structure still work for both the US and the UK. In case you hadn’t noticed, locations are a bag of worms even within the US. The US also has territories such as Puerto Rico, Guam, and American Samoa. The District of Columbia is a special case. None of these are states, but all of them are second-level locations. Louisiana doesn’t have “counties”, they have “parishes”. There are plenty of towns and cities that straddle county lines, some states have townships which fall somewhere between a town and a county, and then there is New York City which encompasses 5 counties usually referred to as boroughs. The state of Virginia has “Independent Cities” which are not considered part of any county, even if they’re geographically located fully within a county. Bottom line is, I think John’s hierarchy for UK locations works well and is accurate (except for the Channel Islands which should be separated to Guernsey and Jersey). BTW, I think “shore” name was just a typo for “short” name. Perhaps we should change our terminology for the top-level to “Nation” (consistent with UN) and the second-level to “Country/State/Province/Territory”. That’s a bit long, so maybe it needs to be a location specific option. Probably need location specific labels for the remaining levels as well. From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 6:18 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Oh dear, John. There are times when I wonder where you are coming from. Take your first two paragraphs, you mention Georgia as being an exception, you may be right, I don’t know, or even care, but the rest of the world do not know what states the abbreviations stand for. Then you go on “That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinistic”, well it is not sort of chauvinistic – it is! You go on with respect to ourselves, The Brits, and Ireland: “I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the ", UK" as that reads better in reports.” Well, I don’t know what a “shore name is, perhaps an American GeoDB invention to cover countries which do not fit the American pattern. But then I don’t use the Geo9DB for anywhere outside of the USA, because for most places it doesn’t work. You illustrate this perfectly by adding UK to its constituent COUNTRIES, and even worse append it to two countries that are not, and never had been part of the UK viz. The Isle of Man and the Channel Isles. For Information, We are The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The geographical area (not political nor state) of Great Britain comprises England, Scotland and Wales. Got it – A united *kingdom* – a place united under a king (or to be non-sexist a monarchy). The Principality of Wales was created by William 1 who gave it to his son. and subsequently Scotland in 1707 and Ireland joined, initially the Kingdom of GB and subsequently the UK. I very much regret if the facts interfere with convenience, but then we have never accepted the rewriting of history by anyone. Ron Fergusonhttp://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: John B. Lisle Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 8:48 PMTo: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Paula, I think with the exception of Georgia, the names of the states in the US are different from any current country in the world, so the confusion should be minimal when leaving out the country for US locations. That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinistic. but is reasonable if the bulk of your audience i
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Says the same thing but leaves out the part about “The Crown” and that Jersey, Guernsey & Isle of Man are British Crown Dependencies and there is still some oversight by the UK government. From: CE WOOD [mailto:wood...@msn.com] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:28 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Accuracy is of the utmost importance in genealogy. Without that, we in the United State of America could be considered British, and Maine still part of Massachusetts! Try this for clarity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:British_Isles_Euler_diagram_15.svg CE _ From: kurt-kneel...@sbcglobal.net To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 22:14:22 -0600 OK, this little blurb explains why the British Crown Dependencies and the British Overseas Territories are technically not part of the United Kingdom, but they are part of “The Crown” and there is still some support and oversight provided by the UK. I think it is still fair to treat them as second-level entities under the UK umbrella. From: Boyd Miller [mailto:bo...@vodafone.net.nz] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:45 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Perhaps they should consider this. Britain for he uninitiated http://explore.noodle.org/post/21512465875/because-one-must-know-the-difference-between-the Boyd On 6/12/2013 3:52 p.m., Bryan Pratt wrote: Ron, I think I’ll enshrine that reply on the wall. Said with monarchic suave. I don’t think we’ll ever teach the Americans geography. Sufficient to know that we know better. Bryan NZ (and thanks, Shirley) Sent from Windows Mail From: Ron Ferguson <mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk> Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎December‎ ‎6‎, ‎2013 ‎2‎:‎21‎ ‎PM To: Legacy <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com> Oh, Aye,  Thanks, Shirley.  Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/   From: Shirley Richardson <mailto:shirleyr...@clear.net.nz> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:39 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event  Thankyou Ron, I was waiting for you to step in, knowing your explanation would be far greater than mine.  (I think shore was meant to be short)  Regards Shirley NZ - Original Message - From: Ron Ferguson <mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event   Oh dear, John. There are times when I wonder where you are coming from. Take your first two paragraphs, you mention Georgia as being an exception, you may be right, I don’t know, or even care, but the rest of the world do not know what states the abbreviations stand for. Then you go on “That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinisticâ€, well it is not sort of chauvinistic – it is!  You go on with respect to ourselves, The Brits, and Ireland:  “I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the ", UK" as that reads better in reports.† Well, I don’t know what a “shore name is, perhaps an American GeoDB invention to cover countries which do not fit the American pattern. But then I don’t use the Geo9DB for anywhere outside of the USA, because for most places it doesn’t work.  You illustrate this perfectly by adding UK to its constituent COUNTRIES, and even worse append it to two countries that are not, and never had been part of the UK viz. The Isle of Man and the Channel Isles.  For Information, We are The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The geographical area (not political nor state) of Great Britain comprises England, Scotland and Wales. Got it – A united *kingdom* – a place united under a king (or to be non-sexist a monarchy).  The Principality of Wales was created by William 1 who gave it to his son. and subsequently Scotland in 1707 and Ireland joined, initially the Kingdom of GB and subsequently the UK.  I very much regret if the facts interfere with convenience, but then we have never accepted the rewriting of history by anyone.  Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/   From: John B. Lisle <mailto:leg...@tqsi.com> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 8:48 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event  Paula, I think with the exception of Georgia, the names of the states in the US are different from any current country in the world, so the confu
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Kurt, With respect it is our country, and our right to determine who we are and where we are. We are a country with a long history and a multicultural one at that, which does mean that we have inconsistencies in the way we name places. It is not in our nature to look down on the new world, who, like children, think they know it all, and in their ignorance believe that they are always right. You see we have no need, we know who we are. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Kurt Kneeland wrote: >OK, this little blurb explains why the British Crown Dependencies and the >British Overseas Territories are technically not part of the United Kingdom, >but they are part of “The Crown” and there is still some support and oversight >provided by the UK. I think it is still fair to treat them as second-level >entities under the UK umbrella. > > > >From: Boyd Miller [mailto:bo...@vodafone.net.nz] >Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:45 PM >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event > > > >Perhaps they should consider this. Britain for he uninitiated >http://explore.noodle.org/post/21512465875/because-one-must-know-the-difference-between-the > >Boyd > > > >On 6/12/2013 3:52 p.m., Bryan Pratt wrote: > >Ron, I think I’ll enshrine that reply on the wall. Said with monarchic >suave. I don’t think we’ll ever teach the Americans geography. Sufficient >to know that we know better. > > > >Bryan > >NZ > >(and thanks, Shirley) > > > >Sent from Windows Mail > > > >From: Ron Ferguson <mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk> >Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎December‎ ‎6‎, ‎2013 ‎2‎:‎21‎ ‎PM >To: Legacy <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com> > > > >Oh, Aye, > > > >Thanks, Shirley. > > > >Ron Ferguson > >http://www.fergys.co.uk/ > > > > > >From: Shirley Richardson <mailto:shirleyr...@clear.net.nz> > >Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:39 AM > >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event > > > >Thankyou Ron, I was waiting for you to step in, knowing your explanation would >be far greater than mine. > > > >(I think shore was meant to be short) > > > >Regards > >Shirley > >NZ > >- Original Message - > >From: Ron Ferguson <mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk> > >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > >Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 1:17 PM > >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event > > > > > >Oh dear, John. There are times when I wonder where you are coming from. Take >your first two paragraphs, you mention Georgia as being an exception, you >may be right, I don’t know, or even care, but the rest of the world do not >know what states the abbreviations stand for. Then you go on “That said, >leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinisticâ€, well it is >not sort of chauvinistic – it is! > > > >You go on with respect to ourselves, The Brits, and Ireland: > > > >“I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern >Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use >those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the >shore name, I clip off the ", UK" as that reads better in reports.†> > > >Well, I don’t know what a “shore name is, perhaps an American GeoDB >invention to cover countries which do not fit the American pattern. But then I >don’t use the Geo9DB for anywhere outside of the USA, because for most >places it doesn’t work. > > > >You illustrate this perfectly by adding UK to its constituent COUNTRIES, and >even worse append it to two countries that are not, and never had been part of >the UK viz. The Isle of Man and the Channel Isles. > > > >For Information, We are The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern >Ireland. The geographical area (not political nor state) of Great Britain >comprises England, Scotland and Wales. Got it – A united *kingdom* – a >place united under a king (or to be non-sexist a monarchy). > > > >The Principality of Wales was created by William 1 who gave it to his son. and >subsequently Scotland in 1707 and Ireland joined, initially the Kingdom of GB >and subsequently the UK. > > > >I very much regret if the facts interfere with convenience, but then we have >never accepted the rewriting of history by anyone. > > > >Ron Ferguson > >http://www.fergys.co.uk/ > > > > > >From
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I could still use a good reference for finding correct names not just at top levels, but down to the county/shire and town/village levels. Thanks. From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 11:05 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Kurt, With respect it is our country, and our right to determine who we are and where we are. We are a country with a long history and a multicultural one at that, which does mean that we have inconsistencies in the way we name places. It is not in our nature to look down on the new world, who, like children, think they know it all, and in their ignorance believe that they are always right. You see we have no need, we know who we are. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Kurt Kneeland wrote: OK, this little blurb explains why the British Crown Dependencies and the British Overseas Territories are technically not part of the United Kingdom, but they are part of “The Crown” and there is still some support and oversight provided by the UK. I think it is still fair to treat them as second-level entities under the UK umbrella. From: Boyd Miller [mailto:bo...@vodafone.net.nz] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:45 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Perhaps they should consider this. Britain for he uninitiated http://explore.noodle.org/post/21512465875/because-one-must-know-the-difference-between-the Boyd On 6/12/2013 3:52 p.m., Bryan Pratt wrote: Ron, I think I’ll enshrine that reply on the wall. Said with monarchic suave. I don’t think we’ll ever teach the Americans geography. Sufficient to know that we know better. Bryan NZ (and thanks, Shirley) Sent from Windows Mail From: Ron Ferguson <mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk> Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎December‎ ‎6‎, ‎2013 ‎2‎:‎21‎ ‎PM To: Legacy <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com> Oh, Aye,  Thanks, Shirley.  Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/   From: Shirley Richardson <mailto:shirleyr...@clear.net.nz> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:39 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event  Thankyou Ron, I was waiting for you to step in, knowing your explanation would be far greater than mine.  (I think shore was meant to be short)  Regards Shirley NZ - Original Message - From: Ron Ferguson <mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event   Oh dear, John. There are times when I wonder where you are coming from. Take your first two paragraphs, you mention Georgia as being an exception, you may be right, I don’t know, or even care, but the rest of the world do not know what states the abbreviations stand for. Then you go on “That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinisticâ€, well it is not sort of chauvinistic – it is!  You go on with respect to ourselves, The Brits, and Ireland:  “I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the ", UK" as that reads better in reports.† Well, I don’t know what a “shore name is, perhaps an American GeoDB invention to cover countries which do not fit the American pattern. But then I don’t use the Geo9DB for anywhere outside of the USA, because for most places it doesn’t work.  You illustrate this perfectly by adding UK to its constituent COUNTRIES, and even worse append it to two countries that are not, and never had been part of the UK viz. The Isle of Man and the Channel Isles.  For Information, We are The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The geographical area (not political nor state) of Great Britain comprises England, Scotland and Wales. Got it – A united *kingdom* – a place united under a king (or to be non-sexist a monarchy).  The Principality of Wales was created by William 1 who gave it to his son. and subsequently Scotland in 1707 and Ireland joined, initially the Kingdom of GB and subsequently the UK.  I very much regret if the facts interfere with convenience, but then we have never accepted the rewriting of history by anyone.  Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/   From: John B. Lisle <mailto:leg...@tqsi.com> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 8:48 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event  Paula, I think with the exception of Georgia, the names of the states in the US are different from any curren
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Kurt, I have an excellent site which shows how to work this out. However, it is the middle of the night here, and I am on my mobile in bed! Don't ask - I slept all evening. Anyhow I will be happy to send the URL in a few hours. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Kurt Kneeland wrote: >I could still use a good reference for finding correct names not just at top >levels, but down to the county/shire and town/village levels. > >Thanks. > > > >From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] >Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 11:05 PM >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event > > > >Kurt, > >With respect it is our country, and our right to determine who we are and >where we are. > >We are a country with a long history and a multicultural one at that, which >does mean that we have inconsistencies in the way we name places. > >It is not in our nature to look down on the new world, who, like children, >think they know it all, and in their ignorance believe that they are always >right. > >You see we have no need, we know who we are. > >Ron Ferguson >http://www.fergys.co.uk/ > >Kurt Kneeland wrote: > >OK, this little blurb explains why the British Crown Dependencies and the >British Overseas Territories are technically not part of the United Kingdom, >but they are part of “The Crown” and there is still some support and oversight >provided by the UK. I think it is still fair to treat them as second-level >entities under the UK umbrella. > > > >From: Boyd Miller [mailto:bo...@vodafone.net.nz] >Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:45 PM >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event > > > >Perhaps they should consider this. Britain for he uninitiated >http://explore.noodle.org/post/21512465875/because-one-must-know-the-difference-between-the > >Boyd > >On 6/12/2013 3:52 p.m., Bryan Pratt wrote: > >Ron, I think I’ll enshrine that reply on the wall. Said with monarchic >suave. I don’t think we’ll ever teach the Americans geography. Sufficient >to know that we know better. > > > >Bryan > >NZ > >(and thanks, Shirley) > > > >Sent from Windows Mail > > > >From: Ron Ferguson <mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk> >Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎December‎ ‎6‎, ‎2013 ‎2‎:‎21‎ ‎PM >To: Legacy <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com> > > > >Oh, Aye, > > > >Thanks, Shirley. > > > >Ron Ferguson > >http://www.fergys.co.uk/ > > > > > >From: Shirley Richardson <mailto:shirleyr...@clear.net.nz> > >Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:39 AM > >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event > > > >Thankyou Ron, I was waiting for you to step in, knowing your explanation would >be far greater than mine. > > > >(I think shore was meant to be short) > > > >Regards > >Shirley > >NZ > >- Original Message - > >From: Ron Ferguson <mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk> > >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > >Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 1:17 PM > >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event > > > > > >Oh dear, John. There are times when I wonder where you are coming from. Take >your first two paragraphs, you mention Georgia as being an exception, you >may be right, I don’t know, or even care, but the rest of the world do not >know what states the abbreviations stand for. Then you go on “That said, >leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinisticâ€, well it is >not sort of chauvinistic – it is! > > > >You go on with respect to ourselves, The Brits, and Ireland: > > > >“I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern >Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use >those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the >shore name, I clip off the ", UK" as that reads better in reports.†> > > >Well, I don’t know what a “shore name is, perhaps an American GeoDB >invention to cover countries which do not fit the American pattern. But then I >don’t use the Geo9DB for anywhere outside of the USA, because for most >places it doesn’t work. > > > >You illustrate this perfectly by adding UK to its constituent COUNTRIES, and >even worse append it to two countries that are not, and never had been part of >the UK viz. The Isle of Man and the Channel Isles. > > &g
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Hi Kurt, Have you visited http://genuki.org.uk/ ? It's a very handy web site for all things genealogical in the UK and Ireland. The mailing lists at Rootsweb (http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/) are very good for country-specfic assistance, too. This is really getting away from Legacy, so I won't contribute further to this discussion. :-) Wendy Kurt Kneeland said the following on 6/12/2013 6:36 p.m.: > > I could still use a good reference for finding correct names not just > at top levels, but down to the county/shire and town/village levels. > > Thanks. > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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On 2013/12/06 07:04, Ron Ferguson wrote: > With respect it is our country, and our right to determine who we are and > where > we are. > Rule, Britannia! -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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By “Americans” do you mean the people living in North and South America? Or do you mean those who live in the United States of America? Don Not sent by any mail program that insists on adding advertising From: Bryan Pratt [mailto:brya...@slingshot.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 8:53 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Ron, I think I’ll enshrine that reply on the wall. Said with monarchic suave. I don’t think we’ll ever teach the Americans geography. Sufficient to know that we know better. Bryan NZ (and thanks, Shirley) Sent from Windows Mail Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Kurt, Thank you for taking the trouble to delve further into this subject. Although it can be quite heavy going I would recommend reading http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~jimella/counties.htm which goes into depth into the history of the divisions of out country, and how the present set up is derived. It also shows how to arrive at the correct location for local areas. Basically it is the same system which I, and other genealogists in the UK, use. Not to mention the public at large who almost instinctively know how to compile a location. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: Kurt Kneeland Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 5:36 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event I could still use a good reference for finding correct names not just at top levels, but down to the county/shire and town/village levels. Thanks. From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 11:05 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Kurt, With respect it is our country, and our right to determine who we are and where we are. We are a country with a long history and a multicultural one at that, which does mean that we have inconsistencies in the way we name places. It is not in our nature to look down on the new world, who, like children, think they know it all, and in their ignorance believe that they are always right. You see we have no need, we know who we are. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Kurt Kneeland wrote: OK, this little blurb explains why the British Crown Dependencies and the British Overseas Territories are technically not part of the United Kingdom, but they are part of “The Crown” and there is still some support and oversight provided by the UK. I think it is still fair to treat them as second-level entities under the UK umbrella. From: Boyd Miller [mailto:bo...@vodafone.net.nz] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:45 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Perhaps they should consider this. Britain for he uninitiated http://explore.noodle.org/post/21512465875/because-one-must-know-the-difference-between-the Boyd On 6/12/2013 3:52 p.m., Bryan Pratt wrote: Ron, I think I’ll enshrine that reply on the wall. Said with monarchic suave. I don’t think we’ll ever teach the Americans geography. Sufficient to know that we know better. Bryan NZ (and thanks, Shirley) Sent from Windows Mail From: Ron Ferguson Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎December‎ ‎6‎, ‎2013 ‎2‎:‎21‎ ‎PM To: Legacy Oh, Aye,  Thanks, Shirley.  Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/   From: Shirley Richardson Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:39 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event  Thankyou Ron, I was waiting for you to step in, knowing your explanation would be far greater than mine.  (I think shore was meant to be short)  Regards Shirley NZ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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He's gone cold fusion. It's now at: http://www.jimella.me.uk/counties.cfm but either link can get you there. On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Ron Ferguson wrote: >Kurt, > > Thank you for taking the trouble to delve further into this subject. > > Although it can be quite heavy going I would recommend reading > http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~jimella/counties.htm which goes into > depth into the history of the divisions of out country, and how the present > set up is derived. It also shows how to arrive at the correct location for > local areas. > > Basically it is the same system which I, and other genealogists in the UK, > use. Not to mention the public at large who almost instinctively know how > to compile a location. > > Ron Ferguson > http://www.fergys.co.uk/ > > > *From:* Kurt Kneeland > *Sent:* Friday, December 06, 2013 5:36 AM > *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event > > > I could still use a good reference for finding correct names not just at > top levels, but down to the county/shire and town/village levels. > > Thanks. > > > > *From:* Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] > *Sent:* Thursday, December 05, 2013 11:05 PM > *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event > > > > Kurt, > > With respect it is our country, and our right to determine who we are and > where we are. > > We are a country with a long history and a multicultural one at that, > which does mean that we have inconsistencies in the way we name places. > > It is not in our nature to look down on the new world, who, like children, > think they know it all, and in their ignorance believe that they are always > right. > > You see we have no need, we know who we are. > > Ron Ferguson > http://www.fergys.co.uk/ > > Kurt Kneeland wrote: > > OK, this little blurb explains why the British Crown Dependencies and the > British Overseas Territories are technically not part of the United > Kingdom, but they are part of “The Crown” and there is still some support > and oversight provided by the UK. I think it is still fair to treat them > as second-level entities under the UK umbrella. > > > > *From:* Boyd Miller [mailto:bo...@vodafone.net.nz ] > > *Sent:* Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:45 PM > *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event > > > > Perhaps they should consider this. Britain for he uninitiated > > http://explore.noodle.org/post/21512465875/because-one-must-know-the-difference-between-the > > Boyd > > On 6/12/2013 3:52 p.m., Bryan Pratt wrote: > > Ron, I think I’ll enshrine that reply on the wall. Said with monarchic > suave. I don’t think we’ll ever teach the Americans geography. > Sufficient to know that we know better. > > > > Bryan > > NZ > > (and thanks, Shirley) > > > > Sent from Windows Mail > > > > *From:* Ron Ferguson > *Sent:* ‎Friday‎, ‎December‎ ‎6‎, ‎2013 ‎2‎:‎21‎ > ‎PM > *To:* Legacy > > > > Oh, Aye, > >  > > Thanks, Shirley. > >  > > Ron Ferguson > > http://www.fergys.co.uk/ > >  > >  > > *From:* Shirley Richardson > > *Sent:* Friday, December 06, 2013 12:39 AM > > *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > > *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event > >  > > Thankyou Ron, I was waiting for you to step in, knowing your explanation > would be far greater than mine. > >  > > (I think *shore *was meant to be *short*) > >  > > Regards > > Shirley > > NZ > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and > on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Thanks Randy,
I have just taken another look, and there staring me in the face is the new
URL. However, as you say, both work!
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
From: Randy Clark
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 10:15 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
He's gone cold fusion. It's now at:
http://www.jimella.me.uk/counties.cfm
but either link can get you there.
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Ron Ferguson wrote:
Kurt,
Thank you for taking the trouble to delve further into this subject.
Although it can be quite heavy going I would recommend reading
http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~jimella/counties.htm which goes into depth into
the history of the divisions of out country, and how the present set up is
derived. It also shows how to arrive at the correct location for local areas.
Basically it is the same system which I, and other genealogists in the UK,
use. Not to mention the public at large who almost instinctively know how to
compile a location.
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
From: Kurt Kneeland
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 5:36 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
I could still use a good reference for finding correct names not just at top
levels, but down to the county/shire and town/village levels.
Thanks.
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 11:05 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Kurt,
With respect it is our country, and our right to determine who we are and
where we are.
We are a country with a long history and a multicultural one at that, which
does mean that we have inconsistencies in the way we name places.
It is not in our nature to look down on the new world, who, like children,
think they know it all, and in their ignorance believe that they are always
right.
You see we have no need, we know who we are.
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
Kurt Kneeland wrote:
OK, this little blurb explains why the British Crown Dependencies and the
British Overseas Territories are technically not part of the United Kingdom,
but they are part of “The Crown” and there is still some support and oversight
provided by the UK. I think it is still fair to treat them as second-level
entities under the UK umbrella.
From: Boyd Miller [mailto:bo...@vodafone.net.nz]
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:45 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Perhaps they should consider this. Britain for he uninitiated
http://explore.noodle.org/post/21512465875/because-one-must-know-the-difference-between-the
Boyd
On 6/12/2013 3:52 p.m., Bryan Pratt wrote:
Ron, I think I’ll enshrine that reply on the wall. Said with monarchic
suave. I don’t think we’ll ever teach the Americans geography. Sufficient
to know that we know better.
Bryan
NZ
(and thanks, Shirley)
Sent from Windows Mail
From:Â Ron Ferguson
Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎December‎ ‎6‎, ‎2013 ‎2‎:‎21‎ ‎PM
To:Â Legacy
Oh, Aye,
Â
Thanks, Shirley.
Â
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
Â
Â
From: Shirley Richardson
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:39 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Â
Thankyou Ron, I was waiting for you to step in, knowing your explanation
would be far greater than mine.
Â
(I think shore was meant to be short)
Â
Regards
Shirley
NZ
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