Re: [Lightning-dev] Mailing List Future
On Mon Dec 4, 2023 at 9:32 PM CET, Matt Corallo wrote: > On the call the vote was split between "host our own ML, or maybe use > groups.io" and "some discourse > instance, probably delvingbitcoin.org", with a weak majority for the second. > > With that in mind, we're gonna give delvingbitcoin.org a try, at least for > two weeks, and then we > can come back to this and discuss! I guess that we are going to use https://delvingbitcoin.org for the first part of the 2024 and then revisit it if needed, right? Cheers, Vincent. > > Some folks indicated they'd like to interact with it via the supposed > "mailing list mode", but sadly > AJ indicated it may not be super reliable (and seems to be disabled on > delvingbitcoin.org). I've > asked AJ to enable it so people can maybe try it out but we'll see if it > works. Sadly if you don't > enable this mode it appears you cannot post via email. > > See-also discussion of using a category vs tags at > https://delvingbitcoin.org/t/can-we-get-a-lightning-protocol-design-category-wg/242/3 > > Because this is new, we'll have another discussion in two weeks about if > people are happy with this > as a solution/if we should host our own discourse (not sure why)/if we should > go back to the mailing > list plan. Those who have a view can also respond to this email and I'll > raise it in the meeting. > > Matt > > On 11/26/23 8:51 AM, Matt Corallo wrote: > > During the last meeting it came up that the mailing list here will likely > > shut down somewhere around > > the end of the year. We listed basically the following options for future > > discussion forums: > > > > * google groups as a mailing list hoster. One question was whether its > > friendly to subscribing > > without a gmail account, which may be limiting to some. > > * github discussions on the lightning org. One question is whether the > > moderation tools here are > > sufficient. > > * Someone (probably me) host a mailman instance and we use another mailing > > list. I dug into this a > > bit and am happy to do this, on the one condition that the ML remains fully > > moderated, though this > > doens't seem like a substantial burden today. One question is if > > spam-foldering will be an issue, > > but with full moderation I'm pretty confident this will be tolerable, at > > least for those with email > > hosted anywhere but Microsoft lol. > > * A discourse instance (either we host one or we use delvingbitcoin, which > > AJ hosts and has > > previously offered to set up a lightning section on). > > > > There was some loose discussion, but I'm not sure there's going to be a > > clear conclusion. Thus, I > > think we should simply vote at the next meeting after a time-boxed minute > > or two discussion. If > > anyone has any thoughts or would like to have their voice heard, they can > > join the meeting in a week > > and a day or can respond here and I'll do my best to repeat the views > > expressed on the call. > > > > Matt > > ___ > > Lightning-dev mailing list > > Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev > ___ > Lightning-dev mailing list > Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev ___ Lightning-dev mailing list Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev
Re: [Lightning-dev] Mailing List Future
Ciao Laolu & list, > Vincenzo wrote: > > A problem that I see with http://delvingbitcoin.org/ is what happens 10 > > years from now? > > Who knows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯? The Bitcoin mailing list started on Sourceforge, then > moved between another instance before finding its home today on the Linux > foundation mailing lists. The developer base is what matters, not > where the forum we all use to coordinate is hosted. ofc, my point was not to use a tool that lives 4ever but to use a format that gives the possibility of storing the information somewhere in a single format where future people can access our conversion. e.g: The Linux kernel does something with https://lore.kernel.org and I can read the email that Rusty sent in 2001 https://lore.kernel.org/all/m14fHjL-001PKjC@mozart/ What I do not understand is if we choose to delvingbitcoin (that looks like working pretty well with email) we will be able to migrate to another service by bringing the conversation with us? ___ Lightning-dev mailing list Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev
Re: [Lightning-dev] Mailing List Future
On Mon, Dec 04, 2023 at 07:19:41PM -0500, James O'Beirne wrote: > Please see https://github.com/jamesob/delving-bitcoin-archive, which anyone > can run an instance of themselves. Looks like that's missing images unfortunately, which are being frequently used. Do you know of a way to fix that? It also lacks authentication of course. But that's probably an essentially unsolvable problem with the tech available to us. -- https://petertodd.org 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Lightning-dev mailing list Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev
Re: [Lightning-dev] Mailing List Future
Please see https://github.com/jamesob/delving-bitcoin-archive, which anyone can run an instance of themselves. On December 4, 2023 3:48:59 PM EST, Peter Todd wrote: >On Mon, Dec 04, 2023 at 12:35:32PM -0800, Matt Corallo wrote: >> Ah, there was also some concern over archiving of a discourse, which we'd >> hoped was trivial through "mailing list mode", but apparently that may not >> be the case. Further thoughts on that are welcome. > >You mean archiving of discourse on delvingbitcoin.org? > >I think that's a serious problem if there's no good way to mirror >delvingbitcoin.org. It is very easy to archive email lists, and anyone can do >it (I'm archiving lightning-dev, bitcoin-dev myself, among others). Also, email >list archives naturally lead themselves to decent authentication, both via PGP >and more commonly, DMIK, making archives authenticatable. I don't see any way >that delvingbitcoin.org could ever replicate that beyond mere timestamps. > >I'll be the first to say that timestamping is pretty weak security. Better than >nothing. But they aren't good. > >-- >https://petertodd.org 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org ___ Lightning-dev mailing list Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev
Re: [Lightning-dev] Mailing List Future
> Some folks indicated they'd like to interact with it via the supposed > "mailing list mode", but sadly AJ indicated it may not be super reliable > (and seems to be disabled on delvingbitcoin.org). I've asked AJ to enable > it so people can maybe try it out but we'll see if it works. Sadly if you > don't enable this mode it appears you cannot post via email. FWIW, I made an account today, activated email mode, and confirmed I can get the emails np: https://delvingbitcoin.org/t/this-is-a-shitpost-thread/249/2. AJ says he disabled it, but I think he just disabled the ability to _send_ emails into and have them be picked up. I found a better resource re how to use Discourse _purely_ via email from Mozilla's instance: https://discourse.mozilla.org/t/how-do-i-use-discourse-via-email/15279. You can even just send an email to create topics as well. Initially I was worried that I wouldn't to get email notifications from _just_ the lightning-dev sub-forum, but from the link above, you can filter based on the headers they set in the email (filter out for just the forum you care about). If AJ doesn't want to enable inbound mail, then we can make our own instance for lightning-dev. Peter Todd wrote: > Also, email list archives naturally lead themselves to decent > authentication, both via PGP and more commonly, DMIK, making archives > authenticatable Re archiving: today anyone can start to get an archive of the entire forum by signing up for the mailing list mode. James OB has also created an external tool that'll let Chroniclers archive the existing forum, or any new one: https://github.com/jamesob/discourse-archive. Vincenzo wrote: > A problem that I see with http://delvingbitcoin.org/ is what happens 10 > years from now? Who knows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯? The Bitcoin mailing list started on Sourceforge, then moved between another instance before finding its home today on the Linux foundation mailing lists. The developer base is what matters, not where the forum we all use to coordinate is hosted. -- Laolu On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 1:46 PM Vincenzo Palazzo < vincenzopalazzo...@gmail.com> wrote: > A problem that I see with http://delvingbitcoin.org/ is what happens > 10 years from now? > > I am more in favour of keeping the ML (and I can host it because I > have a couple of projects that need an ML too) because > 10 years from now we are sure that the mail is still alive. > > In addition, I was going to try https://lists.sr.ht as a list, maybe > we can use it as a backup list? like an archive-ln-list or something? > > However, I am not a blocker for people who want to use > http://delvingbitcoin.org/ > it is accessible enough also for screen readers > >Vincent. > > > On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 9:35 PM Matt Corallo > wrote: > > > > Ah, there was also some concern over archiving of a discourse, which > we'd hoped was trivial through > > "mailing list mode", but apparently that may not be the case. Further > thoughts on that are welcome. > > > > Matt > > > > On 12/4/23 12:32 PM, Matt Corallo wrote: > > > On the call the vote was split between "host our own ML, or maybe use > groups.io" and "some discourse > > > instance, probably delvingbitcoin.org", with a weak majority for the > second. > > > > > > With that in mind, we're gonna give delvingbitcoin.org a try, at > least for two weeks, and then we > > > can come back to this and discuss! > > > > > > Some folks indicated they'd like to interact with it via the supposed > "mailing list mode", but sadly > > > AJ indicated it may not be super reliable (and seems to be disabled on > delvingbitcoin.org). I've > > > asked AJ to enable it so people can maybe try it out but we'll see if > it works. Sadly if you don't > > > enable this mode it appears you cannot post via email. > > > > > > See-also discussion of using a category vs tags at > > > > https://delvingbitcoin.org/t/can-we-get-a-lightning-protocol-design-category-wg/242/3 > > > > > > Because this is new, we'll have another discussion in two weeks about > if people are happy with this > > > as a solution/if we should host our own discourse (not sure why)/if we > should go back to the mailing > > > list plan. Those who have a view can also respond to this email and > I'll raise it in the meeting. > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > On 11/26/23 8:51 AM, Matt Corallo wrote: > > >> During the last meeting it came up that the mailing list here will > likely shut down somewhere > > >> around the end of the year. We listed basically the following options > for future discussion forums: > > >> > > >> * google groups as a mailing list hoster. One question was whether > its friendly to subscribing > > >> without a gmail account, which may be limiting to some. > > >> * github discussions on the lightning org. One question is whether > the moderation tools here are > > >> sufficient. > > >> * Someone (probably me) host a mailman instance and we use another > mailing list. I dug into this a > > >> bit and am happy to do this, on the one
Re: [Lightning-dev] Mailing List Future
A problem that I see with http://delvingbitcoin.org/ is what happens 10 years from now? I am more in favour of keeping the ML (and I can host it because I have a couple of projects that need an ML too) because 10 years from now we are sure that the mail is still alive. In addition, I was going to try https://lists.sr.ht as a list, maybe we can use it as a backup list? like an archive-ln-list or something? However, I am not a blocker for people who want to use http://delvingbitcoin.org/ it is accessible enough also for screen readers Vincent. On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 9:35 PM Matt Corallo wrote: > > Ah, there was also some concern over archiving of a discourse, which we'd > hoped was trivial through > "mailing list mode", but apparently that may not be the case. Further > thoughts on that are welcome. > > Matt > > On 12/4/23 12:32 PM, Matt Corallo wrote: > > On the call the vote was split between "host our own ML, or maybe use > > groups.io" and "some discourse > > instance, probably delvingbitcoin.org", with a weak majority for the second. > > > > With that in mind, we're gonna give delvingbitcoin.org a try, at least for > > two weeks, and then we > > can come back to this and discuss! > > > > Some folks indicated they'd like to interact with it via the supposed > > "mailing list mode", but sadly > > AJ indicated it may not be super reliable (and seems to be disabled on > > delvingbitcoin.org). I've > > asked AJ to enable it so people can maybe try it out but we'll see if it > > works. Sadly if you don't > > enable this mode it appears you cannot post via email. > > > > See-also discussion of using a category vs tags at > > https://delvingbitcoin.org/t/can-we-get-a-lightning-protocol-design-category-wg/242/3 > > > > Because this is new, we'll have another discussion in two weeks about if > > people are happy with this > > as a solution/if we should host our own discourse (not sure why)/if we > > should go back to the mailing > > list plan. Those who have a view can also respond to this email and I'll > > raise it in the meeting. > > > > Matt > > > > On 11/26/23 8:51 AM, Matt Corallo wrote: > >> During the last meeting it came up that the mailing list here will likely > >> shut down somewhere > >> around the end of the year. We listed basically the following options for > >> future discussion forums: > >> > >> * google groups as a mailing list hoster. One question was whether its > >> friendly to subscribing > >> without a gmail account, which may be limiting to some. > >> * github discussions on the lightning org. One question is whether the > >> moderation tools here are > >> sufficient. > >> * Someone (probably me) host a mailman instance and we use another mailing > >> list. I dug into this a > >> bit and am happy to do this, on the one condition that the ML remains > >> fully moderated, though this > >> doens't seem like a substantial burden today. One question is if > >> spam-foldering will be an issue, > >> but with full moderation I'm pretty confident this will be tolerable, at > >> least for those with > >> email hosted anywhere but Microsoft lol. > >> * A discourse instance (either we host one or we use delvingbitcoin, which > >> AJ hosts and has > >> previously offered to set up a lightning section on). > >> > >> There was some loose discussion, but I'm not sure there's going to be a > >> clear conclusion. Thus, I > >> think we should simply vote at the next meeting after a time-boxed minute > >> or two discussion. If > >> anyone has any thoughts or would like to have their voice heard, they can > >> join the meeting in a > >> week and a day or can respond here and I'll do my best to repeat the views > >> expressed on the call. > >> > >> Matt > >> ___ > >> Lightning-dev mailing list > >> Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev > > ___ > > Lightning-dev mailing list > > Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev > ___ > Lightning-dev mailing list > Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev ___ Lightning-dev mailing list Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev
Re: [Lightning-dev] Mailing List Future
On Mon, Dec 04, 2023 at 12:35:32PM -0800, Matt Corallo wrote: > Ah, there was also some concern over archiving of a discourse, which we'd > hoped was trivial through "mailing list mode", but apparently that may not > be the case. Further thoughts on that are welcome. You mean archiving of discourse on delvingbitcoin.org? I think that's a serious problem if there's no good way to mirror delvingbitcoin.org. It is very easy to archive email lists, and anyone can do it (I'm archiving lightning-dev, bitcoin-dev myself, among others). Also, email list archives naturally lead themselves to decent authentication, both via PGP and more commonly, DMIK, making archives authenticatable. I don't see any way that delvingbitcoin.org could ever replicate that beyond mere timestamps. I'll be the first to say that timestamping is pretty weak security. Better than nothing. But they aren't good. -- https://petertodd.org 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Lightning-dev mailing list Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev
Re: [Lightning-dev] Mailing List Future
Ah, there was also some concern over archiving of a discourse, which we'd hoped was trivial through "mailing list mode", but apparently that may not be the case. Further thoughts on that are welcome. Matt On 12/4/23 12:32 PM, Matt Corallo wrote: On the call the vote was split between "host our own ML, or maybe use groups.io" and "some discourse instance, probably delvingbitcoin.org", with a weak majority for the second. With that in mind, we're gonna give delvingbitcoin.org a try, at least for two weeks, and then we can come back to this and discuss! Some folks indicated they'd like to interact with it via the supposed "mailing list mode", but sadly AJ indicated it may not be super reliable (and seems to be disabled on delvingbitcoin.org). I've asked AJ to enable it so people can maybe try it out but we'll see if it works. Sadly if you don't enable this mode it appears you cannot post via email. See-also discussion of using a category vs tags at https://delvingbitcoin.org/t/can-we-get-a-lightning-protocol-design-category-wg/242/3 Because this is new, we'll have another discussion in two weeks about if people are happy with this as a solution/if we should host our own discourse (not sure why)/if we should go back to the mailing list plan. Those who have a view can also respond to this email and I'll raise it in the meeting. Matt On 11/26/23 8:51 AM, Matt Corallo wrote: During the last meeting it came up that the mailing list here will likely shut down somewhere around the end of the year. We listed basically the following options for future discussion forums: * google groups as a mailing list hoster. One question was whether its friendly to subscribing without a gmail account, which may be limiting to some. * github discussions on the lightning org. One question is whether the moderation tools here are sufficient. * Someone (probably me) host a mailman instance and we use another mailing list. I dug into this a bit and am happy to do this, on the one condition that the ML remains fully moderated, though this doens't seem like a substantial burden today. One question is if spam-foldering will be an issue, but with full moderation I'm pretty confident this will be tolerable, at least for those with email hosted anywhere but Microsoft lol. * A discourse instance (either we host one or we use delvingbitcoin, which AJ hosts and has previously offered to set up a lightning section on). There was some loose discussion, but I'm not sure there's going to be a clear conclusion. Thus, I think we should simply vote at the next meeting after a time-boxed minute or two discussion. If anyone has any thoughts or would like to have their voice heard, they can join the meeting in a week and a day or can respond here and I'll do my best to repeat the views expressed on the call. Matt ___ Lightning-dev mailing list Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev ___ Lightning-dev mailing list Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev ___ Lightning-dev mailing list Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev
Re: [Lightning-dev] Mailing List Future
On the call the vote was split between "host our own ML, or maybe use groups.io" and "some discourse instance, probably delvingbitcoin.org", with a weak majority for the second. With that in mind, we're gonna give delvingbitcoin.org a try, at least for two weeks, and then we can come back to this and discuss! Some folks indicated they'd like to interact with it via the supposed "mailing list mode", but sadly AJ indicated it may not be super reliable (and seems to be disabled on delvingbitcoin.org). I've asked AJ to enable it so people can maybe try it out but we'll see if it works. Sadly if you don't enable this mode it appears you cannot post via email. See-also discussion of using a category vs tags at https://delvingbitcoin.org/t/can-we-get-a-lightning-protocol-design-category-wg/242/3 Because this is new, we'll have another discussion in two weeks about if people are happy with this as a solution/if we should host our own discourse (not sure why)/if we should go back to the mailing list plan. Those who have a view can also respond to this email and I'll raise it in the meeting. Matt On 11/26/23 8:51 AM, Matt Corallo wrote: During the last meeting it came up that the mailing list here will likely shut down somewhere around the end of the year. We listed basically the following options for future discussion forums: * google groups as a mailing list hoster. One question was whether its friendly to subscribing without a gmail account, which may be limiting to some. * github discussions on the lightning org. One question is whether the moderation tools here are sufficient. * Someone (probably me) host a mailman instance and we use another mailing list. I dug into this a bit and am happy to do this, on the one condition that the ML remains fully moderated, though this doens't seem like a substantial burden today. One question is if spam-foldering will be an issue, but with full moderation I'm pretty confident this will be tolerable, at least for those with email hosted anywhere but Microsoft lol. * A discourse instance (either we host one or we use delvingbitcoin, which AJ hosts and has previously offered to set up a lightning section on). There was some loose discussion, but I'm not sure there's going to be a clear conclusion. Thus, I think we should simply vote at the next meeting after a time-boxed minute or two discussion. If anyone has any thoughts or would like to have their voice heard, they can join the meeting in a week and a day or can respond here and I'll do my best to repeat the views expressed on the call. Matt ___ Lightning-dev mailing list Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev ___ Lightning-dev mailing list Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev
Re: [Lightning-dev] Mailing List Future
Ciao Matt & readers, >host a mailman instance and we use another mailing list. I dug into this a bit and am happy to do this, on the one condition that the ML remains fully moderated, though this doens't seem like a substantial burden today. One question is if spam-foldering will be an issue, but with full moderation I'm pretty confident this will be tolerable, at least for those with email hosted anywhere but Microsoft lol. Sounds good to me, I can help with the hosting too if you would like.\ Cheers, Vincent. On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 5:51 PM Matt Corallo wrote: > > During the last meeting it came up that the mailing list here will likely > shut down somewhere around > the end of the year. We listed basically the following options for future > discussion forums: > > * google groups as a mailing list hoster. One question was whether its > friendly to subscribing > without a gmail account, which may be limiting to some. > * github discussions on the lightning org. One question is whether the > moderation tools here are > sufficient. > * Someone (probably me) host a mailman instance and we use another mailing > list. I dug into this a > bit and am happy to do this, on the one condition that the ML remains fully > moderated, though this > doens't seem like a substantial burden today. One question is if > spam-foldering will be an issue, > but with full moderation I'm pretty confident this will be tolerable, at > least for those with email > hosted anywhere but Microsoft lol. > * A discourse instance (either we host one or we use delvingbitcoin, which AJ > hosts and has > previously offered to set up a lightning section on). > > There was some loose discussion, but I'm not sure there's going to be a clear > conclusion. Thus, I > think we should simply vote at the next meeting after a time-boxed minute or > two discussion. If > anyone has any thoughts or would like to have their voice heard, they can > join the meeting in a week > and a day or can respond here and I'll do my best to repeat the views > expressed on the call. > > Matt > ___ > Lightning-dev mailing list > Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev ___ Lightning-dev mailing list Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev
Re: [Lightning-dev] Mailing List Future
Hi y'all, Re Google Groups: It appears that one can join a Google Group without a _gmail_ account by sending a special subscribe email to a certain Google Groups endpoint: https://webapps.stackexchange.com/a/126053. FWIW, this won't let you use the web UI directly (useful for searching, the archive, etc). If you want to be able to use the web UI, and don't have a gmail account, then you can associate a Google Account with that gmail account. This'll let you use the UI, but not require you to actually use gmail. It looks like there's a related option in Groups.io: https://groups.io/. Haven't used it myself, but it advertises a migration path from Mailman (which I think is what we use rn under the covers?). At a glance, it has a web UI, but email is still a first-class citizen: https://groups.io/static/why. Re the options: I personally favor the Discourse option, as you get nice rendering for images and LaTeX, tags, categories, etc: https://discourse.org/features. It can also be run in email list mode, which'll allow one to use it as a regular email list, and never actually visit the website: * https://racket.discourse.group/t/how-to-enable-mailing-list-mode/167 * https://meta.discourse.org/t/what-is-mailing-list-mode/46008 -- Laolu On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 8:51 AM Matt Corallo wrote: > During the last meeting it came up that the mailing list here will likely > shut down somewhere around > the end of the year. We listed basically the following options for future > discussion forums: > > * google groups as a mailing list hoster. One question was whether its > friendly to subscribing > without a gmail account, which may be limiting to some. > * github discussions on the lightning org. One question is whether the > moderation tools here are > sufficient. > * Someone (probably me) host a mailman instance and we use another mailing > list. I dug into this a > bit and am happy to do this, on the one condition that the ML remains > fully moderated, though this > doens't seem like a substantial burden today. One question is if > spam-foldering will be an issue, > but with full moderation I'm pretty confident this will be tolerable, at > least for those with email > hosted anywhere but Microsoft lol. > * A discourse instance (either we host one or we use delvingbitcoin, which > AJ hosts and has > previously offered to set up a lightning section on). > > There was some loose discussion, but I'm not sure there's going to be a > clear conclusion. Thus, I > think we should simply vote at the next meeting after a time-boxed minute > or two discussion. If > anyone has any thoughts or would like to have their voice heard, they can > join the meeting in a week > and a day or can respond here and I'll do my best to repeat the views > expressed on the call. > > Matt > ___ > Lightning-dev mailing list > Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev > ___ Lightning-dev mailing list Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev
Re: [Lightning-dev] Mailing List Future
Hey Matt, That sounds good to me! Let's settle that during the next spec meeting. Thank you for the option of hosting a mailing list instance, I'd be happy to moderate it to share some of the burden. Bastien Le dim. 26 nov. 2023 à 17:51, Matt Corallo a écrit : > During the last meeting it came up that the mailing list here will likely > shut down somewhere around > the end of the year. We listed basically the following options for future > discussion forums: > > * google groups as a mailing list hoster. One question was whether its > friendly to subscribing > without a gmail account, which may be limiting to some. > * github discussions on the lightning org. One question is whether the > moderation tools here are > sufficient. > * Someone (probably me) host a mailman instance and we use another mailing > list. I dug into this a > bit and am happy to do this, on the one condition that the ML remains > fully moderated, though this > doens't seem like a substantial burden today. One question is if > spam-foldering will be an issue, > but with full moderation I'm pretty confident this will be tolerable, at > least for those with email > hosted anywhere but Microsoft lol. > * A discourse instance (either we host one or we use delvingbitcoin, which > AJ hosts and has > previously offered to set up a lightning section on). > > There was some loose discussion, but I'm not sure there's going to be a > clear conclusion. Thus, I > think we should simply vote at the next meeting after a time-boxed minute > or two discussion. If > anyone has any thoughts or would like to have their voice heard, they can > join the meeting in a week > and a day or can respond here and I'll do my best to repeat the views > expressed on the call. > > Matt > ___ > Lightning-dev mailing list > Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev > ___ Lightning-dev mailing list Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev
[Lightning-dev] Mailing List Future
During the last meeting it came up that the mailing list here will likely shut down somewhere around the end of the year. We listed basically the following options for future discussion forums: * google groups as a mailing list hoster. One question was whether its friendly to subscribing without a gmail account, which may be limiting to some. * github discussions on the lightning org. One question is whether the moderation tools here are sufficient. * Someone (probably me) host a mailman instance and we use another mailing list. I dug into this a bit and am happy to do this, on the one condition that the ML remains fully moderated, though this doens't seem like a substantial burden today. One question is if spam-foldering will be an issue, but with full moderation I'm pretty confident this will be tolerable, at least for those with email hosted anywhere but Microsoft lol. * A discourse instance (either we host one or we use delvingbitcoin, which AJ hosts and has previously offered to set up a lightning section on). There was some loose discussion, but I'm not sure there's going to be a clear conclusion. Thus, I think we should simply vote at the next meeting after a time-boxed minute or two discussion. If anyone has any thoughts or would like to have their voice heard, they can join the meeting in a week and a day or can respond here and I'll do my best to repeat the views expressed on the call. Matt ___ Lightning-dev mailing list Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev
